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Heat. Heat. [music] [music] [music] Morning. County Commission meeting February 17, 2026. At this time, please silence all electronic devices. Good morning.
Let's pray. Father, we come together today with another full agenda and just so much to talk about, so much to discuss. So, I just ask that you be in the midst of this meeting, midst of conversation. I
see on the agenda we're going to be recognizing teacher of the year. I just thank you and praise you for her service not only for her service but service of all of our teachers and administrators and ask that you put your arms of love
and protection around each and every one of them and all of our students here so they just great here. I also see we're going to be about the infrastructure.
Our county is growing so quickly. We need to be able to keep up. We understand that it takes money to do so. So I ask that you give us wisdom as we make decisions about all that infrastructure and all
the growth and help us to come up with true solutions to the challenges that face us United States. >> Madam cler >> commissioner hereman Now this is now public
given an opportunity to comment on any current or future agenda items and other business addressed personally commissioner or team member directed
at the provide mutual respect me and address timer will be activated and a green light will be shown on the podium. After two minutes, a yellow light will indicate you have one minute left. Your time is up.
You should comat. >> Yes, we did. The first one is Alan Rose. >> Good morning. Alan Rose 10221 Hilltop Drive. Today I bring before you brought before you water management.
My background just so you know 32 years US Coast Guard retired started as a ship's navigator finished up in the port of Tampa started new operation there building the port of Tampa from a7 billion a year operation to over 18
billion a year upon retirement and now what I'm bringing forward is I've always been able to bring some things forward to you but not like I can now that I'm retired 2015 I was my first time bringing forward barrier islands
2016 I renamed the island Stark just just to get a little traction see didn't work and then we had 2017 the Newberry project they did a lot of surveying a lot of gathering of information which was very good has not really been put to
use 2018 I brought forward green key proposals in 2019 brought forward recharging cruise lake recharge the aquifer improve water quality 2020 Hudson Beach project because I knew
things weren't getting done. I said I can do something on my own here. I went out and moved some rocks around. Knew what needed to be done and what would make a difference between a radial current that had been developed out there from the development of the shoreline and we got it back to a
directional current. went from years of restrictions by the health department, couldn't swim, you couldn't do anything on the water to since 2020, it's only an average of once per year you had restrictions by the health department. Things can be done.
in a little bit of a break there. 2024 brought into knowledge that riparian flow negatively impacted by the continued reszoning and this because we saw it person I saw it personally and
observed what was happening and all of this reszoning that's going on we had brought forward signatures of many of your constituents in the area We didn't we didn't want this res one was downsized and the other one is on.
That was one area while we didn't pay attention to the southern area. All this redevelopment on ridge road has caused real negative impacts. The uh all three spillways are barely functional at all. So last year we watched rocky sink spillway go backwards and flooded out
our neighborh. And you may not have seen that because the flooding in our neighborhood everybody's unacres. You just see all the all the animals waiting through water and different things. But I took pictures and I sent you all pictures so you can see that's the type of flight. And if we continue on this
path without taking care of the waterways, it's going to get really bad. And it's not it's not difficult. It can they can all be addressed. All these waterways issues can be addressed and we just haven't been maintaining. There's three3 billion in funding
available for all these projects. I would like to know we can go federal state right now direct funding. Thank you. >> Next up is Bruce. I got something favor.
Okay. So, my my subject here is selective enforcement. Okay. Since 2018, I've been complaining about the illegally mined properties. >> My name is Bruce Bumstead. My address is 15324 Kerry Lane, Hudson, Florida. And I'm here about selective enforcement.
I've been complaining since 2018 about illegally mined properties. The county has came at me with everything and everything they had. So, I've learned all the rules about excavation and mining and what's going on over there is not permitted. It's not permitted by the D. It's not permitted by Swift Mud.
Swift Mud's given them permits in 21 to move dirt off the property, but not the yellow illegally mined off the property. >> Yeah. Yeah. Everything's got addresses, partial IDs, and everything. >> Okay. So, and these are multiple part parcels on the whole property. One of them, the the one subject that
I'm talking about is right next to the first item is the Pasco Road property. That property has been mined by this company. Their dirt has been sold. It's been blocked off and now it's advertised as rental space for storage. Okay? And next to that parcels, you have the 8969
Bolton Avenue who's been in violation since 2013 since mining that property and nothing has ever been done. Mining is different than excavation. So now they're at the source of now D has issued them a permit to remove the illegally left material from CLC truck
in previous so that they could do a site plan and do a topical survey. They didn't remove all that dirt. They now are now mining the illegal the old landfill from the 80s which is toxic dirt which is bit and sifted and spread out all over this county with no oversight again. No permits, no nothing.
They have no rightway use. They have no site plan. They have no nothing. and they are still operating as usual all under the coverage of the county knowing about it since 2013 with a knowledge of over a half a million yards moved off that property of illegal dirt. So that's
the extent that we're doing. These next parcels, 8632, that's a parcel right down the street that's been in violation for 5 years for illegally leveling and cleaning the whole property, filling it all in. Their water runs right down into a springfed lake on there on um the next
item is the property that's on Bolton Avenue. It's a homeless camp. That homeless camp now is because everybody's been displaced from the end of Bolton Avenue and they've just displaced into a new parcel. So if the county has all these RO spaces all over the county, why don't they let the homeless live on them
properties so that all the garbage and everything else ends up on your county property, not on people's properties that have left mountains of garbage at every homeless camplet that's been at. And the county knows where they're all at. They know they're from 52 to Hudson, all in them areas, all in them woods. The next property is New York Avenue.
Piles of millings on a C2 on a C2 property. no permits, no nothing, you know, and that's continues on everything. So, the next parcel of um see which one here
19 in New York Avenue used to be a just a vacant lot. It's now been leveled, cleared. Milling's on it getting ready to be storage. Um there's everyone has different lists of stuff on here which highway 19 um they've turned around at 7806 Maryland Avenue they've turned
around and made a storage center and turn around and millings and everything on it. No permits. There's all these lists of all these complaints are all valid complaints that need to get handled and they've been overlooked and they're being selectively enforced and it needs to stop.
And I >> cannot have selective. >> I am the most selective person David Allen. >> Next up, Bonnie. >> Hi, I'm Bonnie 91. 21. We both have the same
>> David1s. They are damaging my property now. And the problem is I have a guy as expensive for me. I can't keep doing this. and the neighbors two doors down
and behind me keep feeding the cats. You know, I counted nine dishes out front and she won't stop. I've tried talking to her. They just won't stop feeding them and it's becom they're multiplying. They had two
litters on my front porch just keep Bonnie says it cage enclosure and you know it's been destroyed by cats sitting on it and laying on it that aren't her cats. They're using it for
laying alone. I can't afford to keep doing this. I don't know what else to do. >> I've had damage. I have a convertible that sits outside on top of that. you know, need it and
play with it. You know, they're not considered basically what I think to be wild animals where they were, you know, animals that were nature to to our area, which you know, you can't really bother those, but uh because of all these cats
that are just left to be out, you know, again, people feel sorry for them. They feed them in different places and uh all they're doing is multiph whether it's code enforcement or you know animal control that needs to address it. Uh you guys I guess are the
ones that are going to have to make decision about who's going to take charge of this and try to put a top on it or try to shut down so that people aren't having damage to their homes.
>> Excuse me. David Cruz, we need your address for the11. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Next up is Whitten. >> Hello, commissioners. My name is Brandy Whitten, 13751 10th Street, Date City, Florida. Um, I
come to you today as a concerned citizen to talk about these sky lanterns. I woke up early, drove an hour, and taking from homeschooling my children to be here today to let you guys know about what is going on. Last night around 6 p.m. my children saw a parachute falling from
the sky and was wondering why it was on fire. Um I ran over as they are pulling it from the tree and this green sky lantern was in the tree. I called non-emergency to be on the lookout and possibly do a patrol because they are in the area falling. Little Everglades
Ranch was doing a um lunar um what they called a massive lunar lantern festival this past weekend. It ran on the 14th and it is 5.6 miles from my house. um this location um depending on
the wind can carry these lanterns. And on their website it states that um these sky lanterns take place at nightfall and that they are 100% biodegradable and designed for
responsible controlled festival use. Lanterns are available online and for purchase at the festival subject to availability that they are also fire resistant, which obviously you can see that it is not fire resistant and that
they are biodegradable. Um, then 20 minutes later, we look up and there is another one falling into our oak tree and with this burn band that Pasco County has since January 28th. Um, this one actually had little green or little
embers coming off of a disc that was in the center that was falling from the lantern onto our yard. I am thankful that nothing caught fire, but that concern is such an ember could cause a massive fire in, you know, the rubble
from the hurricanes and people having debris on their yards and even woodframe houses. My house was built in 1930 is a woodframe house and I know how fast that can go up. Um that is my concern and also the fact that in their website it
states that it is approved by fire fire fire marshals and that safety always comes first that it is 100% dependent on weather conditions. I screenshot this and put it directly from their website
from their event page. Um they say that um that it was approved and that is my concern on how the fire marshall can approve an event that these fire or these lanterns which are also known as fire balloons would be approved during
this time. Um so that is my concern and I come to you guys giving awareness and also just concerned for our area allowing these kind of events. if it's just financial and if it's financial that we're allowing these events that
we're outweighing the actual cause. So, thank you. >> Thank you for making >> Yes. Thank you. Joanna Cheshire, interim assistant county administrator for public safety. Um we are aware of you know coming up to this weekend there was a lot of communication uh with the
leadership team and myself um about how to proceed. We are under a burn ban. We take safety very seriously. We've had many brush fires since the burn ban. Um we're seeing that in Pasco as well as our neighboring counties. Um so leading
up to this weekend, uh we decided to have them not light anything on Sunday. Um because we saw what happened on Saturday. Luckily, there was no issues to report on Saturday. But there are team members here and add some color to the
last person on the list. Good morning, Dan Callahan, 7108 terrace in Port Richie. I want to thank your staff and Commissioner Starky for keeping my friends and I uh informed about the tree ordinance. Uh I just want
to make a few comments today. I'm happy to see that you've uh put it forward until late March. perhaps to give you an opportunity to more carefully examine, you know, what you're proposing. Uh on the way here, I was at the corner of
Play Road and Little Road, uh as I often have been in the last few months, and uh when you look across the road at that development, uh what you see is uh clear cutting and it looks more like Texas
than Florida. I would suggest to you that you look more carefully perhaps at the idea that clear cutting can be bought off by a developer. Um I'm reminded of several years ago when Sims Park uh was
being renovated. They were taking down all the trees. I came out of the historical society and saw them putting big X's on the hickory trees that had been around that property for a very long time. Uh, I asked the man what he was up to and he said, "Well, you know,
we're going to cut these down." So, we made a fuss about it and got the developer to sit down with us and he said to me, "Mr. Callahan, when we get through, there's going to be more trees in Sims Park than there are now." And my response was, "Not in my lifetime." So,
please consider uh what you're doing when it comes to removing these trees. When they're gone, they're gone forever and it's going to take a long time to replace them. Thank you so much. >> Pastor Jen Carowak
Lane, Spring Hill, Florida. Um Pasco part of Spring Hill. Um I just wanted to come and say thank you to and to the county for their support during the very long stretch of cold
weather. And I wanted to just let everyone know and and the county administrator and other staff that are here through the support of not just the county but other um county partners
within the county. um we ourselves were able to assist over 40 people getting into at a minimum temporary shelter and more permanent shelter. So essentially I just wanted you know we should all
experience the fruit of the labor and um and without the county's support we would not necessarily have been able to do as much as we did. So today I'm here to just say thank you. Great partnership between our local
community. Thank anyone else like the board com Lakes. So, um, we live in Don and we moved up there
about March of last year and we stood on the property before the house was finished and we looked across the way and asked the salesman, "Hey, are they going to build over there in the wilderness area?" No, it's steam wilderness. It's the county.
And so about 6 to 12 months after we moved in, we get a notification they're going to put a four lane road down right the big round which we live near and uh had my wife very upset and
beautiful home and there's many beautiful homes up there. No one told us about a road going in which then we find out after we get this notification from that actually had to agree to a road
going through before they even started the neighborhood, which we weren't aware of. And I don't know how many people were aware of at the time. I mean, building a road up there, if you really have ever driven in Bud Beexley, it it seems a little ridiculous because
it goes right in front of a a grade school right behind it actually. Um it's a beautiful neighborhood. There's people ride bikes, they run, they jog, roller blade. Um, tons of wildlife. I'm surprised more people haven't been up in
arms about the whole wildlife thing. Uh, there's deer crossing the road. So, they've been hit even now the way it is. Alligators crossing the road, sand hill cranes, you can imagine, right? So, I took a trip just driving on the
balls. I was down in Clear Water. Had to go to St. Pete and I drove on that parkway. It was a beautiful ride. anybody ridden on that road 19 just straight through all the way no stops and then I happened to have to drive
from Clear Water to Target and that was quite the challenge if you've ever been on that road because you have to stop every two miles three miles and it's terrible and I think what they're looking for solution for for 54 going from well
probably Newport Richie all the way 75 but for our our area from the Sun Coast Parkway all the way across they're looking for a solution to relieve that traffic. So they think well we'll bring them through Beex. bring that traffic through, which if they could simply
figure out a way to fund a nice, beautiful parkway from the Sun Coast Parkway on 54 straight through to where 56 breaks off of 54 right past the
outlet malls. That would a be a tough build, but it can be done because it was done in Clear Water to All right, one last call for public comment. Good morning. David Engel, planning and
economic development director. It's my pleasure today to present a addendum item AR 1117. This is a um a economic incentive request made by Moffett Cancer and
Research Center for the Spiro's campus. The um the Moffett organization is requesting a $21 million penny for Pasco commitment from the county to help fund a $228 million capital project.
The campus is located at the uh souththeasterly corner of the Sun Coast and Ridge Road extension. And uh the pro the project is uh seeking $21 million.
This uh $21 million will be utilized as a local match support to a US EDA community development block grant DR grant that will uh fund uh assist in funding a uh a five project scope
consisting of the $228 million I just mentioned. The capital stack on the project is as follows. Uh there'll be a um there'll be a $42 million
um uh funding from Moffett. The county will fund $21 million as proposed and the US EDA will fund $49.8 million which is the component of this application. Uh the project consists of R&D for radio
immunology. Uh Secondly, it also provides a manufacturing facility and treatment facility. Included will be a incubator um uh that will be privately operated and shall be taxable. And there
will be also a uh a component for um incubator support through USF and Pasco Hernando State College. Uh currently the the board has uh funed
5.7 million towards the SPOS project and that uh that was done in an economic development agreement uh that was uh executed in 2021 and the potential path forward here is uh I'm just going to lay out for the
board is to approve and execute the draft supporting resolution letter of support which I provided the board in draft form and we have to the agenda coordinator and also concurrent with the submission of an EDA
application by Met 49.8 in grant support. Uh we're indicating here that we're asking the board to direct county administrator and county attorney to draft EDA memorializing the county contribution
defining the project scope and outlining project deliverables. So uh in summary, this is a $228 million project. the the Moffett organization is asking for a $21 million local match supporting um grant
and Moffet will put up $42 million as part of the project and uh might I add this will be a defining project for the Moffett organization. Uh we're going to be doing research and treatment that is of global importance for cancer
prevention and treatment here. First of all, thank you, David. Thank you to the county staff who worked with us uh on a relatively rapid timeline to get this here. Uh I also wanted to introduce some members of the Moffett team who are here, obviously, most
notably our founder, Mr. Lee Moffett, um who founded Moffett 40 years ago this year and was an enthusiastic supporter of expanding to Pasco County. your name and title. >> Oh, sorry. Yeah, thank you. >> Josh Carpenter and president of uh
Spiros, uh which is obviously affiliated with Mic Cancer Center. Um and been there about nine a little over nine months now. Um also with us today is our general counsel, Chip Fletcher. Uh and then uh this is as as as mentioned a part of a grant where we have multiple
partners. So it's not just Mafet and Spiros. Uh one of our partners is the University of South Florida specifically their their pharmacy program and the pharmacy program. Professor Nick Carris is here with us today uh to talk a little about their their plan to help build the workforce of the future and
then uh Dr. Pashant Pilly with Pasco Fernando State College is also here as well. So um two key elements of our workforce partnership. Uh just want to talk a little bit about what radio pharmaceuticals are and what the strategic opportunity is for us and how we think Pasco County can can really
lead the way. Um so radioharmaceuticals is about a7 billion dollar industry today. It's uh one of the leading ways to treat cancer but uh specifically prostate cancer. Uh there's drug called flu victto. Um and the pivotal trial for that drug as well as the other drug that was approved by the FDA called
budtherra. Both of those drugs were were um approved through trials in part performed at mopet. um it is going to be a$ 30 billion industry and so our goal is to make sure that we position Spiros and Pasco to capture that economic
impact and grow those jobs and we know that that's a combination of physical infrastructure um uh again without the county support we wouldn't be here today but um it's also of course it's also going to be built on the talent that both the talent we have and the talent we'll have in the future. Um,
one really key component of this is supply chain. And so, um, it's important to know that this is supply chain not just for, um, radio pharmaceuticals and treating patients, but also for national defense. Uh, so the the, uh, 2022 Russia invasion of Ukraine actually disrupted
19 of our 31 critical radioisotope supplies, and there's really not one serving the southeastern portion of the United States. um this building, what we're proposing as a portion of what we're we're doing as a one of the five projects in this grant that, as David mentioned, will have about a $228
million direct economic impact, um with a a much larger indirect economic impact, um will meet that need in a meaningful way, but will also position us as a as a leader in uh in this important industry. Um, you know, the county support thus far has been
incredibly um, essential, and I just want to thank each and every one of you, particularly those of you um, who've made time in recent days, even while traveling, to to speak with me about this project, and I'm happy to answer questions. members. Are you online?
>> Do you have any comments? Would you like >> just heading So here is a critical part of future I want to make sure we help them make
this step whatever I think it's important that we do support them next And we did just for the record. So out of town, out of state rules.
>> Hey, good morning. Um, so, uh, Josh, you and I talked about this and as you know, this board is very excited, but I did have some questions because I'm just seeing these papers and
um, so as I mentioned to you on the phone, one of the concerns for me was that my understanding when you were coming was that So therefore, we're not. So
you sent me a paper that said if leases for I just I just feel we have to protect here soon. So um this is all very important. I just want someone my staff
to speak. >> Sure. I'm happy to just say quickly uh you know as a business person um I would make sure that I have a return on my investment and I think this will have a direct and indirect return on your investment in a meaningful way. Uh what I think is important to note is that you
know the paper that I sent around to you yesterday we've also circulated with staff is that our understanding both inside with our internal council and outside council is that property taxes are assessed not on the ownership but on the use of the property that is is being
deployed being assessed. So in this case, for example, we we estimate that about 70% of the SPO's campus will ultimately be developed by private sector individuals, either developers or companies themselves. And in fact, you know, I was on a on the phone with a
company on the way here that's a a private entity that anticipates paying paying taxes to Pasco County for work they will perform as bureaus. Um, so the question I think on property tax assessments is independent of the ownership, but is totally predicated on
the use of the property and in this case again our goal is to get 70% of that property tax base into private sector hands but happy to also >> thank you uh Chip Fletcher general counsel for MA Cancer Center and um
happy to [clears throat] speak to this Um uh by way of experience when we had many years ago a for-profit subsidiary um created called M2Gen which was a a joint venture with Merc and some other investors. They were on a piece of
property that we owned as a a nonprofit cancer center as part of an economic development project in in Hillsboro County and the part of the parcel that they used we pay property tax on. So that's our experience is that when you have the um [clears throat] commercially
facing or commercial operator on property irregardless of who owns it with the exception of the county is my understanding. If the county or the state owns land, then it's exempt. But if it's a nonprofit, they go and look at the use. And so if we're leasing to a commercial operator, they'll have to pay
tax. If we're sharing space, various various uh permutations like that. But that's our experience is that when we do that, we'll have to pay attention to what the use is, what the activity is, and then apply to your tax um your property appraisers's office and
go through a process to have that determination done and then pay tax on the portion of it that's not consistent with our charitable operations like a like a nonprofit health center or something of that nature. And that is consistent.
The other item that I spoke to about my hope and I spoke to David about this too is contest. For me, it is that we're asking
for these excited about these high jobs. I like to see those people here. I I had this experience when I first started working with hospitalite
office and I was in charge of fundraising and there weren't many businesses back then. that were here. So I started knocking on whatever and everyone said to me, "Oh, we love children's hospital,
you know, because we live down there." So I had a really hard time getting high. So that's I don't know how you part of the matrix is that the high wage earners actually
manufacturing there sitting program that the county supports and we would like to have that uh into this as well um as part of the agreement. And
those are my those are my three issues and I'm much more comfortable with it now. >> Well, I just program I just love the idea how many thousand lives. I feel very comfortable. like this.
You got to be very careful. Well, I'll hopefully that bill has died that says a county cannot would be able to help you. So, I don't know where that is, but when we get our
update, we'll we'll find out about that. I want to tell you a story that um two months ago I every month I play this game called and um one of my girlfriends in my group
said that both she and her husband and they were so excited that they could just drive minutes instead of taking and to
this week you open. So >> yes sir I want to thank I just want to make sure to reimburse whatever. >> Thank you. Yes. And I I agree with Commission's comments.
We need to make sure that we're following these leases. come up with the appropriate finan agreements. >> And I want to make sure
and we'll do a roll >> district. Hi, >> District Commissioner. >> Hi. >> District three, commissioner. >> Hi. >> District four, commissioner. District five. Thank you everybody. Thank you,
>> Mr. Chairman. >> Yes, sir. >> I just want to let you know conference. >> Very good. Thank you. >> We'll see you in Washington. Good to see you. Thank you for coming.
Now it's time for resolutions. >> Month step forward. Resolution number 26-128 a resolution by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County Florida6 as national procurement month in Pasco
County. Whereas the public procurement professional role in the efficiency and effectivenure adds value to the organization by performing functions such as implementing and administering contracts, developing procurement
strategies and cultivating working relationships with suppliers and other departments within Pasco County. And whereas public commissioners in other tremendous
economic conditions in the United States of purchasing department of the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners is committed to providing high caliber strategic, logistical and operational support for all departments within Pasco
County. Whereas in 2025, the purchasing department at the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners received the achievement of excellence in procurement award from the National Institute and achieve a new milestone by
achieving 50% of all eligible professional staff members holding a national certifices procurement values and guiding principles of accountability, ethics, impartiality, professionalism, service
and transparency established by the institute for public procurement as fundamental tenants of the public. Whereas the institute for public procurement has proclaimed the month of March as national procurement month to
further expand the awareness of the procurement professionals role to government officials, the public, businesses and corporate leaders. Therefore, be it resolved by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida that declares the month of
March, 2026 as National Procurement Month in Pasco County, 2026. All >> thank you for all the good work. Yeah, congratulations. It's always
a meeting that are coming. So, we're always improving our system for >> [laughter] >> Well, thank you guys. Yes, you know, but there's proic
[laughter] especially with the updates. You all have a very tedious job and details for both sides and on your side.
Thank you for coming here. Mr. county administrator. [laughter] >> Yeah. So, I I just echo his comments. Um I work day in and day out for this team and I don't think
find a more professional group around even when things are not easy. We always make the right decision department but also our vendor on it. And I see that partiality
go down. [laughter] RS2 here. Resolution number commissioners of Pasco County, Florida declined March 2026 as Florida Bicycle
Month in Pasco County where Bicycle Month was established in 1956 by the League of American Bicyclist. hoped to showcase the benefits of cycling to promote individual and community wellbeing. Whereas in 2024,
Florida was named the eighth most friendly state in America by the League of American Bicyclists and ranked in the highest percentile infrastructure commitment to building a safe
promoting bicycle safety including the use of helmets, proper signaling to essential to reducing injuries and fatalities among cyclists. Whereas the recycle month will raise awareness of
promote physical activity and healthy lifestyles by elevating bicycling as a widely accepted choice of transport. Whereas bicycle month of all ages to enjoy throughout the month at various parks and locations
throughout County whereas county restorable environmentally conscious form of transportation and an excellent form of physical activity and recreation. Whereas county collaborates with local
law enforcement groups to promote bicycle safety and awareness throughout the community whereas bicycling benefits all citizens of Pasco County by improving the traffic congestion and noise and
decreasing the use of energy sources. Whereas the Florida Department of Transportation and our local agencies have adoped and policies to develop a multiodule transportation system to support pedestrians and bicyclists by
prioritizing safety and mobility. Whereas county board of county commissioners encourages all Pasco County residents to ride their bicycles this month while practicing safe
resary6ot. >> We have a motion in the second. All in favor, [laughter] >> y'all stepped in. >> Yeah, I I had to look it up to make sure that we could still get this
So, um, you know, one of my favorite so many reason I think we're honoring yourself. >> [laughter] >> No, unfortunately I didn't ride here,
but uh um Epcot always wants you to wear bright colored clothing when you're riding. >> So remember to wear your helmet and if you're riding at night, I certainly appreciate. >> So now he's in favor of the trail. >> Seems like everybody likes
and things like that makes it very bic. >> So, my name is Brian Michaels. committee. We are still looking for some members to join. So if you have anybody or anybody that's listening wants to be part of the team
to see the future pedestrian safety fill Good morning. Thank you. And I want to say thank you to our valued BAC members, bicycle pedestrian advisory committee with the MO. We're very honored to have
them and their hard workers uh with the MO. So I just wanted to broach that. So on behalf of the bicycle pedestrian committee, thank you for this bike resolution and for our continued support here in Pasco County moving us forward. Uh we're especially excited about the kickoff of the active transportation
plan which we brought up last week. board meeting. Uh this important effort will help identify the infrastructure connections and safety improvements needed to make bike uh biking and pedestrian more accessible and safer for residents of all ages and abilities. Uh
this resolution and this plan together uh show Pasco County's commitment to a healthier uh people, safer streets, and stronger communities. And once again, thank you for this honor and happy bike month >> and board members members. Thank you for your service. We'll come down and take a
picture with >> you. Next order of business is consent. I see we have one pulled item. Do we have any other items? We have a motion. All >> favor.
>> Yeah. Can you put some The first thing that caught my eye was now. >> Sure. Sanderson, co- compliance director. And so, Commissioner Starky, you're correct. Um, following a
competitive process, we selected a vendor uh very few respondents to that procurement a year or more ago. Um, we did end that agreement with them recently for non-performance. Uh, we also had a second contractor that pulled
out from performance as well. We've gone back out um and have uh received competitive bids from, I believe it was three companies. The that we have since selected is a Pasco based company. >> That is correct.
>> Correct. >> Size of the lot's And in some cases they do remove trash as well. And so in some limited cases you may see dumping fees associated with there's trash on the site. I mean it's
a necessary thing but one of these right there >> all right the mowing where's
That's clearing. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> I'll point out this is also these are class one violations which is a $150 citation and that's under the uniform fine and fee schedule set by the city judicial court. That is not represented
in the resolution. What is that number? So this is what I was $121. >> I don't know that we are. I'd have to I'm not looking at the Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about >> this.
Oh, that's just part of the calculations. Um, >> forgive me. I can't see. What is >> that is the total amount including the administrative cost that particular one.
So there is a spreadsheet that gives you right this that breaks down those that's also in your attachments. It identifies the clearing cost, the penalty, the administrative costs, recording costs and then the total which all of those
are within each lean for the So when we do a violation that money goes to the judicial gossitation And that is not included in these
numbers that you're saying. This is only in the first but I wanted to understand how expensive it is for us. Amazing.
>> Exactly. >> Thank you. Now to our regular Hello, Amy Ferrell, budget director with Pasco County's Office of Management and Budget. Sorry if I'm a little raspy. I'm coming off of a twomonth cold. It's shenanigans. I don't like it. All right,
so what are we going to talk about today? We're going to go over our budget cycle, show you where we've been, where we're at, and the body of work still left to adopt a budget. This September, we're going to look at different predictors of our taxable, assessed value, economic indicators. Um, we're
going to look at our major revenue sources that fund both operating and capital. And then we're going to look at those known expenses and impacts of that are going to be impacting our FY27 budget bills. Now, the story that we're going to be seeing today with our
numbers really is showing us how our localized Pascal economy is very reminiscent of the precoid economy in most instances except for just the cost of getting stuff done. All right, so budget cycle overview. In
January, we had a workshop with you all where we talked um of our fiveyear strategic plan moving into the second year of that. what should we be focusing on as we build our budget? We had an internal kickoff with our county department and said go forth and start
building your budget packets um now here we're doing our revenue projection here in February and then we're going to be briefing you all late February early March looking at the general fund and a deep dive into our MSG.
Then from March to May there's a big body of work that where we really um fine-tune those budget submission requests. Department directors first come through me. I hack them down. I do good work. So, Mike comes in and then we can start talking about, you know, needs
and plans and things like that. Um, good cop, bad cop. That's how we do this. And then in June, we're going to Oh, in April, we're going to come with our constitutional officers and the chief judge and we're going to get some good dialogue with them on what their upcoming budget needs are and their
long-term plans. And then in June, we're going to come back and workshop with you all. At that point, we'll have preliminary taxable assessed value numbers. We'll have um pretty close to our proposed budget. And we're going to come back to you and say, "We've been listening, but did we get it right? Is there still more work we need to do
before we come back in July and set that trim?" And then from July to September, we'll be doing more briefings and fine-tuning those things so we can come back and adopt the budget with the first and final public hearing in September. But don't, it's a lot of work, but don't
be tired yet. We still got a lot to do. All right. So, now we're looking at some of those what we call predictors of our taxable assessed value. So, here we're looking at our new home permits and those are leveling off. Um, as you can see, we're So, you want to look at that
purple line and we're right back to where we were 2022, right? So, we had a big spike, but now we've kind of leveled off. So, growth is still happening. It's just not that huge skyrocket. And so, you might say, "Okay, Amy, why are we looking at this?" Well, new construction
is half of our taxable assessed value. And um these permits are somewhere between a two to threeyear leading indicator, meaning permits that we're seeing today will impact our taxable assess value growth from new construction two to three years down the
road. So, we like to pay attention to this. So, if we're building an FY27 budget, those FY25 permits are pretty indicative of what we think that new construction growth rate might be. And then if we look at our
total new construction values, so you'll see they've been climbing climbing. We don't expect them to continue to climb. And when we look at that breakout of residential, which is this previous slide, right? Our new home permit was res. And then our commercial residential
makes up about 85% of our new construction with commercial being roughly 15%. Now over the years we've seen pretty steady somewhere in the four to 6% range when we're looking at our new construction taxable assessed value
growth. But now when we look at our total taxable assessed value, this also incorporates our revaluations of existing property. Now over the years it's been these valuation piece. Those have been coming in in double digits and
that's what's really been bumping up our total taxable assessed value. And now let me jump forward one more slide and you can see how that's starting to come down. That's because our new construction is still holding pretty steady in that 4 to 6% range, but those revaluations are coming down. Okay, Amy.
So what does all of that mean? That is a great question. Well, that means we are scenario planning anywhere. four, six, or eight% total growth and taxable assessed value for FY27. And we like to do a scenario
plan because let's be real, I don't have a magic eightball and I can't tell you exactly what's coming. But we like to have some different scenarios so that way as we're planning and things start to shake out, it's a little bit easier to pivot and maneuver once July 1 happens and we do have those preliminary
taxable assess values. And so here you can see what that looks like for the general fund if it's at four, six or eight. So six million additional dollars coming to the board after the sheriff's 40% of new revenue after the um payments
to the CRAAS and to our tax increment finance units. And then you can see at 6% that would be roughly 11 million all the way to 16 million if it does look like that 8%. Now again just to remind you the to 6%
range is that new construction and we are seeing a cooling off in the market where those revaluations are concerned which is why we're modeling that 4% bottom number. All right. So that was our taxable assess value predictors and now we're going to look at our economic
indicators. And so the economic indicators that we're looking at kind of help us predict what we think our major revenues might be. Half cent sales tax, those kinds of things. And as we go through these slides, you're going to see that we are
pretty in line with precoid trends. So we hit um some anomalies during CO, but we are back to how things looked precoid. So there might be some literature or things going out that are like might sound worrisome but when you
look big picture and you go back precoid we've actually just I'll call it renormalized if that makes sense. And so if you look overall our US economy at the macro level it continues to be strong. We're looking at our real GDP percent change from the previous quarter
but now let's do a dive into just the last quarter. And so you'll see here from this slide that consumer spending is really crops up that GDP number and that's still pretty strong. So we are still seeing some consumer spending
happening. Now let's take that a little step further and talk about well what type of spending are we seeing? Now when we say that we think the economy is still pretty strong here, still pretty strong here and still pretty strong here because when you look at the categories
of where we're spending that's what we call discretionary spending. So we're looking at retailers. Think your Amazon, your online shopping, um sporting goods, restaurants, clothing stores. All of that spending signals um signals a
strong consumer behavior. Okay. So, what does that mean? Well, that means that we are seeing our Florida sales tax still be pretty strong. Now when I talk about that anomalous period so think that 2020 to your 2022 where we've got those that big
spike but now if you go back to 2013 to 2017 2018 and you see how that trend line is slowly steadily marching up that's the same trend line that we're starting to see now um when you look at 23 24 and 25.
So that's what we say when our economy is starting to look like that of pre-COVID. This is what we mean. If you just kind of took those center ones out, you've got that same kind of modulated growth. All right. So now the other side of the
economy, we look at what is what is that inflationary look like? And then we also look like what is that job growth look like? And now again, this is one of those where if you just take the anomalous precoid data out of there, we're back to precoid rule. Um so
roughly $7 million of um job openings is actually what the economists say makes a strong economy. During the co time we were looking at like $12 million of or 12 million open jobs. Um but there was a lot of money getting pumped into the economy. A lot of jobs were being
created. But now we're back to that same kind of strong normal about 7 million um job openings. All right. So, inflation is still cooling, but we've been hovering right around that 3% range for the past year. So, we're looking at about 2.7%
inflation. It's not at the 2% target, but we are expecting it to kind of stay flat. It's been right around that 2.7 for about a year now. So, we're still forecasting that same inflation rate. All right. So, now when we're looking at
that unemployment, we're looking at this more localized level. That left piece shows you where Pasco is. So the lighter blue was this time last year. The darker blue is this year. So while our unemployment rate is up from last year, we're still in what the feds call a full
employment rate, which pretty much means we've got a strong balanced economy between unemployment and inflation. And then that second slide is showing you um employment costs. So the cost of having people and employing people and
target there is to be right around 4% and we are just a little bit below that 4%. So we're we're looking good there too. All right. So all of this all of these things come into factor when we start to look at how do we think our major
revenues are going to perform. So the first one up is our halfent sales tax. And there's three key things that impact this revenue. So it's directly tied to inflation, it's tied to consumer spending and it's tied to our population size. And so, um, our, as you can see
with our permits, our population size is kind of leveling off. We've got small steady growth, but nothing hugely major. Um, consumer spending, people are still spending discretionary funds. Um, so we're still holding pretty firm there. And then inflation has has kind of
stabilized, right? So, we're expecting, as you can see, kind of a stabilized half cent sales tax with just a little bit of an increase. our county revenue share. So this is our net cigarette tax collections and our net sales and use tax collections. And
so this revenue source comes to us monthly and we get a flat amount every month until we reach June and July. And then the state does what we call a true up based off of total collections. and then
we get um an allocation that kind of we'll call it back fills the previous month. Now there's been an interesting phenomenon. So normally it's that same amount every year but when we looked at our November to December distribution there was a slight decline. So, we have
been mimicking the state's conservative posture in our revenue projection here, but still anticipating a slight increase. All right. And then communication service tax. So, this is on all of our
voice, data, audio, video, think, phone calls, landlines, cell phones, video streaming, satellite, fax, all of that fun stuff. And we generally use this for emergency services. So this is again we're showing just a steady incline nothing major.
All right. Any questions on our very modulated slightly increasing nothing crazy to see revenue projections. All right. That means Amy's doing a good job explaining. All right. So budgetary pressures. We
talked about these in January. So really has changed here. There's the property tax reform which we're still monitoring and we do have a couple slides um geared towards that. Um we are looking at addressing what we call a structural imbalance in the general fund which basically means the recurring revenue
that comes in is a little bit less than the recurring expenses going out. And so we like those numbers to be the same. But we've been eating into our fund balance a little bit to keep our operations going. But we have been making steady work chipping away at getting back to being balanced. And so
we will continue to do that good work behind the scenes to keep us in what we like to call a good fiscal solveny standpoint. Um, public safety staffing and expenses. Um, we've got sheriff expense pressures.
We've got we're expanding a jail. Um, you know, still working through operationalizing that wages and benefits. When we look at our total budget, the majority of what we spend our money on is related to people. People salaries and benefits. So that's always going to create some kind of
pressure on any budget that we're building. Um, general inflation and growth demands on our operating and capital budget. Um, I don't I don't know if there's going to be a point where that bit ever comes off this slide. Um,
solid waste rate study. So building the FY27 budget, we will be um, done with the 77 solid waste rate. So they are working right now on that rate study. So that will be coming soon. Adjacent um the same of our public
facilities. So we need to maintain our public facilities. If we don't the cost to repair them will only become um higher really is kind of how that works, right? Wesley Chapel Library. So we will have the full operational and personnel
burden on the budget. We've done a great job being very creative as we've been going through the different renovations to utilize existing staff. Um liaries have been shut down, but they are all going to be fully online and operational come fiscal year 27. And
then um our Medicaid rates, we get those in June. Typically those go up um we'll have those in June, but you know, it's here because we keep an eye on that and typically it goes up, not down. All right. So, property tax reform.
So, our office is paying very, very, very close attention to what's happening. Um it's too soon in the legislative process to really know how things are going to shake out, but we do continue to monitor. Um and to my
knowledge, nothing has fully come off the table, which means everything's still technically in play, which means we just have to keep watching. But it's too soon to really start building any kind of concrete firm plans around what might happen. We continue to scenario
plan as amendments come out. We're keeping keeping our pulse our thumb on the pulse of that making sure that we're aware so when we know what's going to happen we can pivot but it is important for us to talk about when we're looking at Yes.
Yenate. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so think of it stuff inside a building that businesses have that they get taxed on. What does this mean? >> So, so the Senate's proposing that that
we don't tax those things. >> The Senate's proposing that we wouldn't tax those things. Now, really, I think the big takeaway from this slide is that the variety of reform being proposed
varies greatly. Um, anywhere from tangible personal property for businesses up to if you're improving your home to be more resilient against wind damage. The assessed value increment that your home is now worth
more. You wouldn't be taxed on to a wholesale reduction of homesteaded property tax. The breath and depth and width and variety of reform is vast, right? And so it's really hard to pin
down what the implications might end up being. Give me one second. But my team will look after 20 years of ownership and residency. It provides an additional homestead tax exemption equal to % of
the assessed value of property other than the school district levies for persons who have owned and resided on the property as their permanent residence for 30 years or more. Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps. >> All right. Oh, you're welcome. So, when we're talking about this property tax
reform, it's important for us to understand. So, this is just looking at the general fund, but the municipal service taxing units are also funded through property taxes. But here, we're just looking at the general fund. And it's important to recognize that there are mandated services, things the state
says local government will provide. And then depending on some of these um property tax reform bills, there are also some protected services. And so when we look at our general fund and we look at what of those services are either mandated or protected, that makes
up 86% of our general fund budget less reserves. So we're not including reserves. Um so that means 14% of our budget is not mandated, not protected. And when you look at the impact of some of those large proposals, we're looking
at a revenue loss of more than 88.4 million 14% of our nonmandated nonprotected services. So depending on how this shakes out, we're going to have to have some conversations around levels of service and what does that look like?
And so, okay, so let's take that 14% pie slice and let's break that down a little bit further into, well, what are those services? So, parks, libraries, planning and economic growth, senior services, community services, um our debt
payments, um internal support services, human resources, uh our payments to the CRAAS would be impacted. Um and then, um some of our other constitutional and officers that aren't in that protected class.
>> Yes. Put us in a corner. Every other questions we move on. All right. So, I'm going to shift our focus just a little bit and start to look at Okay. So, for every dollar of property taxes that a resident in Pasco
pays. Where does that money go? So on the left you'll see that dollar distribution. So 38 cents goes to schools, one cent goes to mosquito control, one cent goes to swift mud, 60 cents goes to the county and that's under this board's discretion. So now if
you look at the second half of the slide over to the right, what are the different levies that make up that 60 cents? So we have our general operating which is our largest that's 44 cents of that 60 cents. There's the fire MST which is 13 cents. The road
rehabilitation services MSTU is 2 cents and then our general obligation bonds make up one penny. All right. So now let's see how that 44 cents of general operating gets distri distributed.
And so when you look 63% makes up public safety. So that's 45% is the sheriff, 13% is corrections, and then 5% is rescue. Um three three cents goes to our tiffs and our CRAAS. Um
four cents goes to our other constitutional officers. So really this just shows you how that 44 cents is broken down into type of service. All right. So the other um so we've looked at the taxable assess value growth predictors and what we think that
might shake out to be. Then the other part of the equation when we talk about property tax revenue are the mill rates. So the law enforcement MSTU. So this is new. That ordinance was established and adopted in November. And we'll be talking this budget cycle about um mill
rates. I know the county administrator's having conversations with the cities in terms of participation and all of that's still kind of a work in progress. So really this is um just it's coming. We'll be talking about it um a placeholder if you will. So then when we
go to the parks capital maintenance MSTU so um no levies or no millages have been levied against this property tax. Um, but last year we did give $3 million of capital maintenance money to parks. Um,
and then I was chatting with my friend Keith and he said the two major projects that they're looking to accomplish in FY26 are the dugouts at San Pasco Park and a floating dock replacement at the Wakuchi River Park floating. And so they're through design and the team's
currently negotiating construction on both of those projects. So, um, they're putting that money to work quickly. when we look at the road rehabilitation MSU FY27 will be the third year that we've got um a millage for this service
and um the new growth money we haven't touched that millage rate so the new growth related to the taxable assessed value has just been funneled back into the program to continue to get work done and then the fire and rescue MSTU so back in November the same time we
established the law enforcement MSTU we updated that ordinance to be able to incorporate the rescue component of fire and rescue. And so this year as we go through this budget cycle, we'll be working on what does that appropriate mill rate need to be to absorb those expenses and then the commiserate
reduction to the general fund. So again, we're still working through the the math on how that will work, but you know, more information coming. And then the last bit is the general fund. And we would be remiss if we didn't show how for the last four years this board has
done some hard work and has made some tough decisions to give money back to the taxpayers in the result of um millage reductions consistently. >> Yes ma'am. >> Correct. from 7.6
just a reminder that when we did this I When they rolled it back, it back. Hopefully, we have a little more I'm very happy about this. >> I'm not afraid of >> Thank you for your confidence. >> Yes. >> [laughter] >> I just rather be
any other discussion. All right. So, now we're going to pivot out of the general fund and we're going to start to look at some of our other major revenues and what those projections look like. So, here's our ambulance fees. And so um while the number of trips are remaining relatively
flat um the net payments per trips have increased 7% in FY24 and 10% in FY25 which is a testament to the good work happening in our ambulance billing team. Right. So now let's look at our local option fuel taxes. So the blue bar is
our first local option and this funds our operating expenses for our public works team and the Orange bar funds our capital is one of our funding sources for our capital road construction program. And so while these revenues are
continuing to slowly climb, the expenses are outpacing the revenues. And now while most of what we've seen is indicative of precoid trends, our expenses, especially when it relates to capital projects, um the cost of
materials and supplies skyrocketed as a result of those cost have not come down. That has become our steady norm. Um so while we are seeing some increase in our revenues, it is not enough to cover the cost of construction. And so we have
things like mobility fees penny for Pasco and the multimodal tax increment multimodal transportation tax increment finance out of the general fund that is subsidizing and helping to fund things like our big road capital program.
And then when we look at our penny for Pasco, um so this one is also continuing to have some moderated growth and this is very indicative of our steady local economy because what gets paid here comes back here. Um and so this tends to
slightly outperform the other revenues. All right. And so we confirmed our budget cycle touch points and that we're going to hang out and talk about budget and make some tough decisions. We've explored our major revenue projections within the general fund. We talked about
overarching um budget pressures. And then we explored some of our major revenue projections that are not in the general fund. And our next step again is going to be one-on-one briefings with each of you where we look at the general fund and our different MST and we do
that long term long-term horizon look. Any questions for you? It's my team. They're pretty awesome. simplifying Walmart. So, thank you guys for taking time to try to understand how the
average thinks that isn't in this every single day and That's just important. Seems strange. Joanna, inter it's an interesting situation for that. A permit was issued for it. Um those
lanterns fall under the state statute of fireworks. So it's a fireworks permit. Um we are under a burn ban. Um but as you know you may you may know we're usually under a burn ban during the fourth of July holiday. So it's kind of
just a weird situation with the fireworks in that way. But a permit was issued for this weekend the event as a firework permit per usual. We did consider the burn ban that we're under. And so we had a lot of
resources out there to mitate any risk that was paid for by the event. So they they took on that responsibility. Uh Saturday, you're right, there were no issues. Um Sunday winds picked up and fire marshal, the chief and myself spoke
about it and decided to pull that permit for for Sunday. So they were not able to light anything on Sunday. They were very understanding. I know that there's another aspect to this though is that the lanterns and obviously we saw one today during public comment um you know
how how those may fall and people's properties and kind of the trash that creates And I want to give the board confidence that we all spoke about this last week. This was something that you going into the weekend knowing that this was going on many, you know, we considered the
risk of that and consequence of forward very customers that travel. What's the options around the environmental impacts? on their side of
environmental impacts that are associated with You can also ask that Excellent. I had no idea. Okay. So, I didn't come back to the board meeting
because I went and super down the hill where the bike and it is so wonderful. But I do think we're talking about
little kids that we got to find a way that we can make it. And looking up here on the right, that's where So, lots of little
down beautiful so I joined everyone up in days that was a great event that's ever
your husband. All right. So, as a past woman of distinction honore, we were notified of a couple VIP cookie cookie awards and my staff handed them out to Girl Scouts.
So, congratulations They received a tried to be a boy scout, but I was a brownie and a girl. All right. So, I want to thank the men and women of Pasco County Sheriff's Office for their dedication and hard work to keep our county safe. They
performed another drug Last week, they took 255.8 of fentanyl off the street and that's enough for 127,500 lethal overdoses.
So, the last drug bust was in October on the same street removing 138 of fentanyl. So, thank you so much. I'd love to hear about this. sad to hear about these, but I love that we're
getting I want to appoint his name. Um, I wanted to say something about this. I see. You know, I have my iPad here. People are wondering what I'm doing. Half the time I'm going on looking at
I'm looking at what's going around there and I just see so many code violations and it's really frustrating to me to hear this gentleman what this gentleman's going through and
I'm sorry a lot of it is up north of 52 um but I was in Moon Lake this afternoon on the agenda and um I had on another street come out to me because
I was sitting there for a long time looking at stuff and he came what are you doing and I mentioned I was commissioner not his commissioner um but I was doing my research for coming up today and he said you know code enforcement comes through here all the
time but they never do anything and he said there's so many violations around here but for me to call He said, "I have to put my name on it. I can't be anonymous." So, I am hoping
that that went through. But I just wish that we could be a little more I think that's our own rule that someone >> enforcement officers see a violation.
They are out. >> Um, but this one he mentioned to me because he was really frustrated because he owns two and he said he went to pull a permit to be legal to put in a
And they told him he had to get an offic and then he turned it into a house. So there is no There's no mail, but someone liv I I feel for the people who want to
follow the rules and want to live. You know, they've invested in their home and they we actually have a commissioner who is so frustrated because in his neighborhood he's got very obvious.
This is Wow. And then organized And then I just want to shout out just last week had 9 >> [clears throat] >> and how much of sometimes
And then this is for fire rescue. And since the burn was enacted, January 28th, respond outside. 13's office. I don't have anything.
All right, Chase, we gave you thank you. I I didn't hear what was in the house. >> I can give you Ralph Lair inter affairs morning. Um so so currently we are getting ready to go into budget conference. The House and the Senate
rolled out their budgets uh uh last week. Um today the Senate um or over the weekend the Senate was gathering and working on amendments. The House is not doing amendments to their budget. So they're getting those in posture ready
to go to a conference at the end of the week going into um conference. Uh we had one item, the decon truck for the fire department, partially funded in the House, fully
funded in the Senate. Uh And then also in the Senate, uh >> that's it in the house. >> That's it in the house. And then also going into uh the budget, uh we had money for Rangeland Boulevard. Uh and
those were the only two projects we had going into it. Um again >> again we'll have a better feel when the Senate rolls out with the amendments included. Placeholders that we will have
going into conference and I anticipate two additional projects will be included but until I see it in black and white don't really want to discuss. Thank you.
It's noon and we will see >> nothing for city again. We're not getting nothing for the day. asking for that wasting never too Part: 2
Mom and dad should have. >> So, what do we have? We've got one >> vested rights as you and the tree ordinance. Okay, >> that's it. >> 53 and 54
ordinances and 59 too big of a That's for you. That's for you. >> You published it as a continuous. >> I got my swollen rice.
That's hard. >> Sorry. It's continued. So what number is the draw? >> Sounds like Jack is on. I don't know whe Okay, they took the time to speak, right? >> No, not if it's
>> I wanted to go 25 seconds. >> If you want legislative deal, >> you don't have to take your >> at least what I'm seeing here is >> Do you want to see the sign?
>> Ready? Good afternoon. Now call back to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting for February 17th, 2026. Please silence all electronic devices. Mute your microphones. We're going to go out of a little bit out of order today. We're going to start
with item P59. Um but we'll also need to have folks sworn in before we discuss this item. If you need to be sworn in, if you could please rise, raise your right hand. >> If if you think you're going to speak,
we can just do you in one one swoop. >> Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth. So help you God. >> I do. >> When you come up to the podium to speak for the record, please indicate whether you have been sworn, state your name and address, and spell out your last name
for us. Thank you. All right. Item P59. >> P59. Proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, January the 28th, 2026, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. David Goldstein,
chief assistant county attorney for Pasco County. This is an application for vested rights determination filed on behalf of Joshua Ortiz and Daniel Souza. The address is 12674 Valamar Road.
So, I got to go through some facts and for any vested rights application, the facts are important. So, you just have to bear with me as I go through these facts. So, Mr. Ortiz and Miss Souza entered into an agreement with Prestige Home Centers to place a home, a mobile
home in Moonlake Estates. The purchase price of the home was $175,94 and they they contracted with Prestige to to build that mobile home on their lot. And Prestige through a through a consultant
um applied for a building permit through the county through our seller process and they applied for that permit on August 15th of 2025. On August 28th of 2025, a county development code review specialist signed off on the mobile
mobile home as being permitted in the zoning district on the lot. Unfortunately, that determination was a mistake because that lot is zoned R1 and mobile homes are not a permitted use
in the R1 zoning district. Now, had that mobile home been a modular home, it would have been permitted in the R1 zoning district. But there's a key difference between modular homes and mobile homes. Modular homes are designed and built to Florida building code
standards, and they're installed by a licensed contractor on a permanent foundation, and mo mobile homes are generally not. the county reviewer who who u made this determination was aware that it was a mobile home but mistakenly
thought that this lot was zoned AR where mobile homes are allowed and I'll I'm going to show you the zoning map that kind of um explains so this particular lot is
you can you can kind of see it on on on the map but It's it's kind of surrounded by a sea of um there's AR in the vicinity which is the green area and the the lot in question is surrounded by R1.
So it's not there is so I think the reviewer thought that this lot was in the AR area the green area but the lot all the lots around it are in fact R1. So, one thing that the planning department did look at before the vested rights application was
filed was can they reszone the lot because that might have been a remedy. Could we just reszone it to AR? But that would have been spot zoning clearly because all of the zoning the entire zoning around this lot is R1 >> question. >> Yes.
>> Are you saying the green is AR? >> I'm saying the green is AR >> and the white is >> car one. How do you miss those two? I mean, because that's very clearly green and that's I mean, they're such
different colors. Are they someone not looking at the map? >> I can't speak for the reviewer. Okay. I I I I suspect that the reviewer just didn't look at the map. >> Well, and we've got that fixed now.
>> I believe that they've taken steps since since this has happened to correct that issue. >> Okay. What do the pink dots mean? >> Um, those I don't think those are relevant on them. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> So, based on that mistake, the county issued a building permit for the mobile home on September 29th of 2025. We then Prestige proceeded to begin installation of the mobile home on the lot in October of 2025.
Shortly thereafter, the county received a complaint from one of the neighbors who resides in one of the sightuilt homes on Valomar Road. After conducting an investigation, the county revoked the building permit on November 21st of 2025 because mobile
homes are not allowed in the R1 zoning district. This is a photograph of the partially installed mobile home on Valomar Road. Because the permit was revoked, Prestige was unable to complete the installation
of the mobile home or schedule final inspections, and Mr. Ortiz has been unable to occupy the home. Prestige has been paid in full for the mobile home by the mortgage company, and Mr. Ortiz has begun making mortgage
payments of approximately $1,661 per month since November of 2025. And because Mr. Ortiz could not move into the mobile home, he had to renew his lease at his existing residence, which happens to be across the street, um, at a cost of about $1,575
per month. And then he also has to pay a termination fee if he terminates that new lease before November 30th of 2026. In December of 2025, Mr. Ortiz with the assistance of the planning department sought vested rights through the county
attorney's office pursuant to section 407.6 of the land development code. The planning department waved the application fee for Mr. Ortiz. the the application has some content deficiencies, but we wave those content deficiencies. As a general rule, vested rights
requires three elements. It requires good faith reliance, an act or mission by the county, and a substantial change in position or the incurring of extensive obligations or expenses by the applicant. It generally only applies in exceptional circumstances. And it does
not apply to transactions forbidden by law or contrary to public policy. In this case, it's fairly clear that there was a county actor or emission in the in the sense that we did in fact make a determination that the that this
um mobile home was allowed in the zoning. It was erroneous, but we made that determination and we did clearly issue a burning per building permit. It's also fairly clear that Mr. Ortiz made a substantial change of position and incurred expenses based on that on
that actor or emission in the sense that he's already begun making making mortgage payments. He had had to enter into a le a new lease. So he's clearly changed his position based on that act or remission by the county. The probably the two most debatable
issues in this case are good faith reliance and public policy. The reason good faith reliance is debatable is because there's case law that says that if it's a mutual mistake of fact that that is not a basis for good faith reliance. And I'm not going to stand
here and educate you on all the way the competing case law on this issue, but there is some case law that suggests that if it's if both sides make a mistake that that's not a basis for good faith reliance and there's cases both ways on that issue. So it is a debatable
issue. Um, the reason public contrary to public policy is a debatable issue is because this is a potential intrusion of a mobile home into a street that does have predominantly sightbuilt homes on it. I'm going to explain that in a second. So,
there are some homes on this on this um street that are modular homes. So, this is I believe the home that I Mr. Ortiz lives in now. Um, this is building department has told me this is a modular home. So, it was permitted as a modular home.
>> David, excuse me. Before you go on, can you please tell us the definition of a modular and a mobile home? The two the difference, please. >> Okay. So, a modular home is a manufactured home. So, it's generally manufactured offsite, but it is built to it is in is built by
it's installed by a licensed contractor and it is built to Florida building code standards and it's built on a fixed foundation. >> Um, fixed foundation >> and a fixed foundation and it is assessed by the by the property appraisers and tax collector as a sightu
home. Um, it doesn't depreciate like a mobile home. It doesn't um it's treated for all for for property tax purposes as a permanent improvement to the property just like it was just like a sightuilt home would be. It just happens to have
been manufactured off site. A mobile home is different. A mobile home, the best way to think of it is it's it's built to HUD standards and it's treated like a vehicle. Okay? So it it's it can be moved off site. It's um
it depreciates like a vehicle. It can does not have to be installed by a licensed contractor. Um does not have to be installed on a fixed foundation. And so um >> and can be moved. >> It can be moved >> and depreciate. >> It can depreciate. >> It does depreciate.
>> It generally does depreciate. >> Um so that's the difference. Well, now the exterior appearance may be similar though. So that's why it's not always easy to tell from the street. So like this particular home from the street might appear to look like a mobile home,
but it's in fact was permitted and has a modular home. And so there's another home on the street. This one first glance to me that looks like a mobile home. I inquired with staff, they said, "No, that one was permitted as a modular home."
>> So how is that on a fixed found how is that on a slab foundation? That's what I don't understand. >> That's a good question for I'm gonna have to I would have to defer to our building department on because I asked this question. They told me this one was permitted as a modular home. >> But you didn't you say a modular home has to be on a
>> Yeah. Let's Let's not debate this particular house. Let's get >> Yeah. So >> I only brought this one up as an example of of what's on the street. Okay. I I'm not and I was been told by the building department it was permitted as a modular home.
>> Okay. But this home and the one before it, in my opinion, are the exception rather than the rule on the street. >> Agreed. >> Okay. >> Um, most of the homes on the street look
like this home >> or this home >> or this home. The majority of the homes on this street are what I'll say more typical sightuilt homes. Um, so
that's that's the public policy potential public policy concern is that you are potentially allowing a mobile home in on a street that has predominantly sight bill homes. So what are all the board's alternatives in this situation? Let me start by
saying that I think from a legal defense standpoint, I could defend any of these alternatives. So let me start there. Okay. Um, so I'm I'm not married to any one of these. So start start by saying that. Um, the first alternative that I
provided was that you grant vested rights to Mr. Ortiz. Um, but you try to mitigate this potential intrusion issue by limiting the vested rights to Mr. Ortiz personally. And if Mr. Ortiz ever sells the home or
the lot that the the mobile home would have to be removed. The advantage of that alternative is that it's not a permanent intrusion of the mobile home into the neighborhood. It's it's a temporary intrusion of the mobile home and eventually the lot would have to be
revert back to its normal R1 zoning in the future. Um that's alternative one. under alternative one. But even under alternative one, I am recommending that if Mr. Ortiz is allowed to move into the mobile home that the building department
be required to pay his rent from November to March because he had to rent because of this mistake. He had to rent another another home for a period of months because of our building department's mistake. So, I don't think
it's fair that we not reimburse him for that rent from November to March. Um, under alternative two, that's a very different alternative. Alternative two, you would be denying Mr. Ortiz vested rights and you would be the building
department would be paying to replace the mobile home with a modular home. So, a modular home, as we talked about, is permitted in the R1 zoning district. Now, I spoke to Prestige about what it would cost to replace a mobile home with
a modular home. Um it's the the cost is about if you if he took they took the tradein of the mobile home as a tradein um that cost is about $143,000
difference. Um so under alternative two we would be paying to replace the mobile home with a modular home. That would take about four to six months to do. So it takes longer to do to we would be paying for Mr. to Ortiz's rent from November to August because it takes
longer to do that process. Um, and so that cost um is about a total of $162,474. Alternative one, the cost was about $10,975. Alternative three is similar to alternative one. Um, you'd be granting
Mr. Ortiz vested rights. It just wouldn't be subject to any conditions that limits to him limits it to him personally. In other words, you'd be giving him the right to the mobile home and the mobile home could just stay there as long as it would be a permanent decision that a mobile home could always
be on that lot under alternative three. Alternative four, you would deny vested rights and you would deny any monetary relief to Mr. Ortiz. Those are the four alternatives that I now um there's different variations on
these that we can come up with. Um, I know that there was one idea floated that would be a variation of alternative 2 where we actually keep the mobile home. Um, we could do that because Prestige is only giving us a $50,000 $55,000 credit
for the mobile home. We could do that, but I would need to have some county department that was be have the ability to take the mobile home off the lot quickly so that we could get the modular home in. Um, and I don't know if there's a county department that could do that
or not. Um, if we were to go with that option, we'd have to pay an additional 55,000 under option two because we wouldn't get the credit for the existing mobile home because we'd be keeping the mobile home. >> Do you do you mind I have a video of the street. Do you mind if it's now a good
time to play it? >> Sure. >> Okay. I just wanted the board to see this is the um entire street and I have the zonings pulled up. It's um It's very mixed bag out there. >> Is this Valomar?
>> Yes, it is. Are you done? Are you There's this There's what I showed you this morning. Um, are you done with your presentation, David? >> I am. Um, other than Well, the only thing I'm going to say I'll wait I'll wait till she's done with the video and
then I'll conclude. I'm getting dizzy. >> I'm going to have to stop looking. Yes. Okay, thank you. >> I I I've got a video, too. >> Okay. So, anyway, um
>> so this is a public hearing. Um Mr. um Clark Hobby is here representing the applicant, so I think you should hear from him first. Um we are recommending alternative one or alternative two depending on the board's preference. Um, but like I said, I could defend any of
these alternatives. So, it's really up to the board to make that determination. >> Um, just to I have to leave at 155, so I will phone in camera. >> Is that okay? >> If you're online. Yeah, >> online. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, with that, I'll turn it over to Mr. Jav. >> Mr. Jav. [clears throat] >> Mr. Chairman, Commissioners Clark, Hobby, 109 North Rush Street, Tampa, Florida, have been sworn. I'll be very brief. Staff uh had a a thorough uh
presentation here, and the facts really aren't at issue. Uh we don't have any real problems with the facts as they were presented in the the uh memo that went to the board. What this is really a case of is just fundamental fairness.
Um, we call it equitable estoppel in the legal world, but Mr. Ortiz clearly did not know, he didn't make a mistake. He didn't know what the zoning was because he hired the company uh to do the work. Prestige, and it's very similar to what
people would do when they're buying a new sightuilt house. when you buy a new site built house from PY or whoever you you rely on them to make sure in the county to make sure that the zoning's in place and all that kind of stuff. That's what happened here. And he went out and
got a mortgage for a bunch of money and reliance on that. And it turned out what happened was Prestige didn't do a lot of due diligence. They had gotten other recent ones approved in Moon Lake, but they just submitted the building permit. And BCS does a wonderful job and they've
had a heck of a year dealing with all the hurricane stuff that they did. But it's a huge number of things that they process and a mistake was made and all we're here today to do is to deal with the the fairness of it and how do we make it right for Mr. Ortiz. And I think
you also, you know, the board's in the position of making sure that they don't make a bad call for the neighbors uh and and hurt the neighborhood per se. There are four options. staff isn't really recommending number four, which is just to deny the application outright, which
wouldn't be fair to Mr. Ortiz. Number one, that's one of the ones that staff's recommending to me doesn't work because all it says his he's got a personal vested rights case. So, if he goes to sell the thing in five or 10 years, then it's not going to be that the the value
of the the mobile home that he paid for likely will be gone. Um, and so that doesn't really make him whole. So then you're really down to two options. Do you grant him a vested rights determination that applies to the property so that mobile homes can always be on this site, which the board may or
may not want to do. If it doesn't want to do that because we feel it's contrary to the to the overall redevelopment of Moon Lake and all that, which I'm sure you're going to hear from the neighbors, they would prefer that not to be the case, then what you really need to do is take them up on take staff up on number
two. Let's get a modular home in there. the ones that I've seen on the website uh and with the newer landscaping requirements and all that are hard to distinguish in many cases from sitebuilt homes. Um and so I to me number two is
probably the best answer here both for the commission and our our clients fine with it. And I'd also add one other thing. Uh you know we don't want to put Mr. Ortiz or his fiance who's a local nurse in a position where they're trying
to be enriched by this in any way and they assure me they intend to live here for a long time. So they're okay of adding a condition to number two saying that they won't sell the house for say 3 years or something like that. It's not about them getting rich. They want to get what they thought they were getting
all along. And I I would at some point you all should look on the sales websites for these companies. They only refer to a home. You can't tell whether you're buying a modular home or a manufactured home. And the contract itself from them doesn't say either. So,
as a as a homeowner and a potential home buyer is I view it as misleading. You can't tell what it is you're buying on some of these things. So, anyway, like I said, number two with a modification is probably the best answer. I think that would probably be what the neighbors
would want to see because I don't think they want more mobile homes in their neighborhood. >> So, I'm happy to answer any questions you have, but I really I think we ought to just let them chat and then I'll respond to anything that the neighbors might have >> if that's okay with the board. >> All right.
>> This is a public hearing. >> We have two people signed up to speak. >> Joan M. Theo and Dora. Well, >> yes, sir. Just sign. You can go ahead and sign in or when they're done, you can come up.
>> I would like the mobile home removed. >> I need your name and address for >> Oh, Joan Field, 12907 Valamar Road. >> Have you been sworn? >> Have you been sworn in? >> I don't know. >> Did you raise your hand? And >> when everybody stood up, did you take the oath?
>> You did. >> That's it. Thank you. Go ahead. >> Um, I have called the county every time a mobile home has been moved into this street. >> I have twice had your building department come out there and tell me it's Moon Lake. It's mobile homes. I
have fought it every single time. I have made phone calls. I've lived on that street for 40 years. I was the third house on that street. What are my my vested rights? I bought in that area because it was zoned homes only. I don't want the mobile homes. That one that
they said is a is a manufactured home that's basically across the street. You don't even follow up with your building department. They're supposed to have driveways on it. That one's never had a driveway. It's a piece of crap. They keep putting in uh tenants that that just tear up the yard. Why hasn't the
building department enforced the fact that a driveway is supposed to be poured at that lot? You have totally ignored Boon Lakers. I have come and protested. You have had your building department people come out there and have call the cops on me because I've told them this
is not allowed to have mobile homes and you've totally ignored me. At least somebody finally is listening to us. But we moved on that street cuz it was homes only. I was home number three. I don't want a mobile home there and I want you
to actually remove and revoke all the rights you gave of the other people. I don't care if you pay for it all. >> I'm over it. >> This has been a horrible thing cuz you I have come down here every single time to your building department. Every time
anybody pulled a permit and and your your building inspector was so rude to me and tell me you're this is bone leg. It's whatever. >> It's not whatever. >> May I May I ask a question, Mr. Chair? No. >> No.
>> Thank you. Next. My name is Dora Wells. I live on Valomar Road. I have been out there 40 plus years. My husband was the mailman for 80. Pardon me. >> Have you been sworn? >> I have, sir. Thank you. >> Uh, my husband was the mail carrier out
there for 37 years. He looked it up. Homes [snorts] only. And we're 48 feet above sea level. So, what this is telling me is that not only the county is not doing their job, the people who are moving in there are not doing their
job. You need to look these things up. The one that they say is a module, the brown one, it's not. It is not on a foundation. >> Thank you. Uh there's another gentleman
name, address for the record. And if you've been sworn, >> I have not been sworn. >> Okay. If you'd like to raise your right hand, I'm going to swear you in. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give is the truth, so help you God. >> Yes. >> Your name and address for the record. >> My name is Matthew Lavarge of at 12837
Valmar Road in the neighborhood that's being affected. Um, I do not believe you should allow any type of mobile home or modular home in this community. As everybody has stated, it is zoned R1. It is intended for homes only. Uh what is
it called? Um slab on grade homes. That's what it's intended for. Um another chairperson said that it's kind of a mixed bag out there. That's probably because of wax enforcement on the county's part. And now the taxpayer is going to have to bear the burden of
you guys failing. And I don't want to pay that. My taxes have already increased. My mortgage has already increased. I purchased this home two years ago. I love the neighborhood. It's a beautiful neighborhood and renters and investors have been destroying the neighborhood. It's an awesome
neighborhood. The people here are salt of the earth. I absolutely love this neighborhood and the county has done a disservice to Moon Lake because of its history or whatever, what have you. Uh we're trying to shed that history.
There's good people here and I think you guys need to hear our voices. We don't want a mobile home. We don't want a modular home on Valar Road. The taxpayers should not bear the burden of any of this nonsense. What where's prestige? Why are they not
culpable? Why are they not here? Where are their representatives? I'm sorry to Mr. Ortiz, but he should have done his due diligence and understood that the neighborhood is R1 is intended for slab homes, not mobile homes, not
modular homes. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else to speak to this? Mr. Stark, you have a question for staff? >> Well, um I have a couple questions. One, I want to I I want to know
>> well I for staff I I want research done on that road. I want to know what this lady was saying here because I drove down that road. Can you show my video and I feel so bad for the people who have built some beautiful homes on that
road and then they got a piece of crap next door. And so I I just it's not fair. the these are probably their their wealth is probably tied up in these homes and we're destroying it. >> So, I am 100% for not allowing this house in there. Um I do I am wondering
why Prestige isn't you know [cough] >> maybe this guy I don't know who's talking to Prestige, but I do agree they're they're culpable. Um but I have I have questions on why that what you called a
modular was it modular? I don't know. The one that you said was supposed to be, "Oh, you can't tell the difference." Yes, you can. That one was is on concrete blocks. And where's the freaking garage? These people all have garages and these other guys, if you
allow that other kind of house in there, they don't have garages. They don't have driveways. It It's a total degradation of the neighborhood. And I don't think it's fair to Moon Lake. I want to see Moon Lake get revitalized, [applause] not go downwards. >> I wanted to see it go upwards. So,
I um I don't know if you want to answer any of my questions. Where's >> Well, I'm I'm not sure I can. I might need Mr. Murphy to come up and answer some of these questions if he's you could >> No, sir. We public comments. >> Well, yeah, we said we're not done with
public comments. So, I don't >> Yeah. >> You want to finish that first? >> What are you asking? Are you >> Or do you want Mr. Murphy to answer? >> That's up to the chair over here. >> You want to finish public comment or have Mr. Murphy answer? >> It's up to the chair. He's running the meeting.
>> I'll let her ask a question. >> Okay. So, let's hear why why >> we have we can have one more. If there's any if there's anybody who wants to speak, please line up. That way, we can keep moving forward. >> Name, address for the record. And if you >> My name is Rick Williams. I live at 1250
Randy Road, which is homes only also. >> And have you been sworn? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give is the truth? So help you God. >> I do. >> Thank you. Welcome. >> I've lived here for lived on that road
for 46 [clears throat] years. And we have other people in here that's lived in Moon Lake as long as I have, if not longer. My parents have been here since ' 68. Do you want one vote or do you
want the other people in here's vote? We We're the ones voting, not you. >> Pardon me. >> We're We are the voters >> on this issue. >> These people are going to vote on you all. >> Okay. I thought you meant >> all these people that represent us. Do
you want his one, Mr. Ortiz's vote, and maybe his fiance's vote or do you want the rest of these people that live in Moon Lake and and want this to cease? I've seen it since I moved here. You know, you move one in and nothing can be done. Well, it's a modular home. Modular
homes are set on something not concrete. They may be screwed into the concrete but not mounted. So, >> thank you. >> Okay. U one more.
[clears throat] >> Let record show Commissioner Joerger's joining online. We can see you Commissioner Joerger. >> I haven't been sworn in. >> Okay. Raise your right hand. Do you swear to affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth. So help you God. >> I do. Uh William Dent. I live at 12807
Golden Rod, two blocks away. I actually walk my dog down that street twice a day. I just want to actually clear up something on your video. You start the video on a different street. And on that video, you'll see that there is a trailer that is agricultural. Okay? So
that's why that is there. As you continue down the street, you looked at the one on the left, which everybody's talked about, and they're saying it's a trailer. And somebody said, "Well, it was not zoned that way or when I checked it wasn't zoned." If you look at the appraisers's office, I just Which I just
did. It is actually on the appraiser site saying it is a subtra. So that is that should never have happened. >> And without getting upset like a lot of other people are doing, I'm going to tell you that I've been 46 years in the same house on Golden Rod. And throughout
that time, we have watched stuff go down the line that should never have occurred. All of the neighbors, Joe, who lives across the street from me, he has called. Lisa has called. We don't get any response. And I don't know why. You know, I understand we're usually told,
well, it's Moon Lake. That stuff happens out here. That's not That's not a good reason. >> That's not right. >> So, I just wanted to put that on the record. Thank you. >> Thanks, sir. >> Okay, back to me. Um, so can you JP? I want to say while you're coming up, can
you show my video? Um, and I I encountered a lot of residents walking their dogs there and they are not happy um of what has happened to their neighborhood. And I think we bear a lot of responsibility. I I think we're going to have to fix it and y'all are going to have to come up with a plan. That's
[clears throat] how I feel about. Look at these houses. These are nice houses. It needs a tree. Y'all need to plant some landscaping. I'll say that. >> But um Um, >> and you know when I when I talked to one
of the neighbors on the street next to this one, and that's the one that I mentioned this morning, he said we call code, but they say we have to put our name in, and I don't want to get a retaliation. So therefore, people are afraid and their
neighborhood's going down the drain. That's not okay. Government, that's not what we're here for. We're here to protect these people and their investments. So, >> I am No, you can't you can't talk from up there. So, >> I we we've made a mistake. We made a lot
of mistakes in here and I think we got to be on the path to fixing them. And for me, and I'm sorry about the taxes, but I think we're going to have we made a mistake. Prestige also made a mistake. My first thought was that we got to buy
this guy's trailer, whatever it is, out. Um, wondered if we could use CDBGDR money because we got a lot of people who need trailers. Um, and so can we repurpose that somewhere in the county? But the thing is, if you're going to replace one
for something else that looks just like that, but it's not that, how have we made the neighborhood better? So what what is why don't we have in R1? You don't have to have a garage. I mean what
how do we protect the people who built home? >> I I can't speak to the the zoning category R1. I just tell you that by statute the um modular homes are to be treated exactly like site built homes. So they are eligible use in R1. >> I think we need to fix that. And so the
the question came about >> it's a state legislative issue. >> Well, I think you talked about it's not fair to have a home with a garage then you got something on cement blocks next to it and they're considered equal in a neighborhood. >> But it is what you just said. It is legal. >> If it's on a slab,
>> it doesn't have to be on a slab. A pier foundation is equivalent a foundation for modular homes. >> So just like your cracker style homes are elevated, pier does the same thing for a modular home. So to be clear, JP, so for this zoning
>> to put a modular home in under state law, that is permissible today. >> Both state law and your local or code of ordinances. >> Okay. And do we require a driveway? >> That I believe we do require a driveway. Depends on the when 12880 was put in. I
I'll do some research on that. >> Yeah. And please, if there's any other mobile homes on that street, I want I want to know what happened. >> Okay. Yeah. To our research, there was no further mobile homes that they were all modulars. >> Wait, modular. >> Your research is wrong. Yes, we watched.
>> So, we we'll report back to the commission on the couple that are there. But when when Mr. Goldstein was inquiring with us, our staff went back and researched those individual properties and found that they were modulars because we didn't want to have this problem could take come to this level as well. We're looking for Okay.
Do we have multiple module or mobiles on that street and could not find any others? The only thing that was close in the in the whole zoning category were the two R1 MH's to the north. >> All right. But I did see there are homes there that don't have driveways. As a matter of fact, I saw one that I'm not even sure has an address in a mailbox.
That's the one I mentioned this morning that the neighbor on the other street said it was a shed that turned into a house. >> Yeah. Based based on that uh based on that complaint. >> Folks folks, please. Um, so we need we need that investigated. >> Yeah, I'll send minimum.
>> This is a quasi judicial hearing on a vested rights determination. Outbursts from the audience are not appropriate. This is also not a a code enforcement issue [laughter] for the neighborhood. That should be taken up in a different format.
>> Okay. Um, well I I I >> Okay. Can I just interrupt? >> Yeah. So modified number two is >> So the applicant does get rebuttal and we need to give him rebuttal. >> Okay. Thank you. Again, I'll try to be brief. One thing is humorous. I think you all will appreciate this. Uh, Miss Theel,
the first speaker, worked for our law firm for many years. So, [laughter] I've known Joan and didn't know didn't know she was on the street. But getting back to serious matters because this is very serious for Mr. Ortiz because he's got a big mortgage payment that he's having to make. By the way, I think the volume's
very high all of a sudden. Um, but uh I I don't, as I said before, I don't think when you just talk about fundamental fairness, there's only two ways to go here. You either have to say the guy's got vested rights, but that's may not be great for the community, or we have to
get a modular in there. And and this is the thing, Commissioner Starky, modulars under state law are treated exactly as sightbuilt houses, and they cannot be differentiated. And that's why our code in the ones where we, you know, uh,
manufactured or mobile homes are not allowed, they're not differentiated between sight built and modular. They're treated as the same under state law. So to me, the only fair thing to do here, if you're weighing that public interest with the neighbors and you don't want more uh what we used to call mobile
homes in there, you go for option two. And again, we're okay with limiting it, saying he won't sell the thing for at least like three years. Well, >> Mr. Starky, >> um, I don't know which option it is that that they're not up and I don't have
them memorized. I don't think he's should be allowed to put that house in there. Um, I think we're going to have to buy buy it out. >> The question is, do we go after Prestige because they messed up, too? So, we're not the only ones on the hook here. Um,
I don't want to lose the You can't. Sorry. I don't want to lose the 50,000. Um so >> if we buy we can certainly use that. >> The buyout option is option two. >> That is two. >> Okay. But I'm and certainly we can look at going after
prestige. Um as far as the mobile home goes. I did ask I spoke to truck lane about keeping the mobile home. He did say that community development has no program
where they could use it. The DR program does, but he said it would take a few months for him to be able to repurpose that home. And the problem with that is I'm not sure Mr. Ortiz has a few months to wait. >> No, Prestige can take it. They put it
there. They can take it off and hold it for us until we find a place to put it. >> They're the ones who put it there, right? I I can negotiate with it. I don't know if they'll just take it and hold it, but I can see if negotiate that with them. But um
I mean there's there's a cost of transport. That's the issue >> that they that they should have to bear because where is their culpability in messing up? Why are the taxpayers having to fix their mistake too? That that's that's [clears throat] >> Commissioner Oakley has
>> Yes, Commissioner Oakley. >> Yeah. On item two, can we I thought I heard you say they could trade out the value of the mobile home. >> No. >> Against a modular home and put
>> the way the way two is currently worded. >> Okay. >> Prestige would pick up the existing mobile home and give a credit for it against the cost of the modular. >> And that's fair. >> Minus $50,000. >> It's a $55,000 credit. If we if we're
going to keep the mobile home, they're not going to give us the $55,000 credit. So, we'd have to pay $55,000 more >> if we're going to keep the mobile home. >> But how much was the mobile home? >> The about originally knew about 116,000.
>> Yeah, >> we're losing money if we don't keep the mobile. >> But as I said previously, mobile homes depreciate this, but it's our staff that made the mistake. >> Yeah. >> We got to pay up and make it hope. make it Mr. Ortizo and have the right kind of
home in this neighborhood should >> I agree but at least >> the other way we get something out of it we get a mobile home that we can give to >> part of our >> we could put it in a park >> county I just have concerns about taking
over an asset not where we're going to put it my >> just eat it >> not take it >> isn't it brand new >> nobody's ever been in Well, ultimately, so the I spoke to Chuck about it. He said he can't really
market it as new because it it's not really new anymore. >> Once they moved off their yard, it's not new. >> That's understandable. >> Which is why it depreciated already. >> So, we can't we can't put it on a park
anywhere. Give it to a deputy that lives in a park. Well, you you could, but then you're effectively making the building department pay for a trailer for the parks department. >> Yeah. >> That goes to >> tenants.
Well, and any costs that may be needed to either cited. It's an openended issue. >> Has every department been checked with sheriff's department? They're always miscellaneous. the jail school district.
I know they're a different budget, but >> I mean it's all public money anyway. >> Same definition. We we take it comes from the taxpayer. So I don't it doesn't bother me whether it's a park's definition or the building department's definition to me. It's all all the same
money. So, I I can't imagine that there's not a department somewhere, an outfit that couldn't use this. >> I mean, the best deal is when you buy a car is one that was driven off the lot
for a day or two and you get the >> My guess is that you probably could find a user for it. The two issues are one is that the building department is going to have to pay 55,000 more to do that and I'll let JB comment on that. Um, and
the other is that we're going to have to find a place to put it. I don't know if Prestige is going to be willing to just hold it. We'll have to figure that out. >> Well, you got plenty of space to store it. >> It's not. >> Can I make a quick comment? Commissioner Jagger,
>> can I >> Yeah. Don't we out in Moon Lake where we could hold the mobile home? >> Yeah. >> I I don't know the answer to that question. >> We do have lots in Moon Lake.
>> Board's desire to store it. just putting it back into use is my concern, but I've made those points. >> But if the board's direction is that it's option two, but we keep the mobile home, we'll just figure it out how we're going to do it.
>> It'll just cost us 55,000 more. It'll cost the building department, >> nothing for it. The other way, we have nothing. >> If that's the board's direction, we'll find a way to implement it. Commissioner Oakley, >> fact of it is on item two, when you replace it with a modular home, have it
put have them take that and give us a credit toward the modular home. Make Mr. Ortiz whole and go forward with business. >> Don't save a house. Don't worry about where it's going next week. You're just opening up a can of worms. It's going to
cost you more money down the road and we don't need to be in that process. We're in here to make sure things are followed by the rules. Our staff member made a mistake. We're going to pay up for our mistake and make Mr. Ortiz whole and put
the module in there like it should be. >> Um, >> which is allowed on that that zone. >> Mr. Star, >> why don't we let the administrator chew on our idea of finding a for it and we could make it in a motion that we do one
or the other once he's investigated if we can make a good use for it. >> Commissioner >> because maybe maybe you don't know yet but maybe there is a good place for it. >> Commissioner Joerger, are you on the line here? >> Yes.
>> Any opinion on keep it or let it go? >> Honestly, it doesn't it doesn't matter to me. Either way, I can go either way. I think if we keep it, I you know, I'm sure we could find a use for it somewhere. Um, it is our mistake and,
you know, we have to make it right for Mr. Ortiz and his wife. So, um, either way, whatever at the board's will, keep it or let it go. >> You know, I want to be clear, it's not just use. I need to, if we're going to go that route, I need to know that there's a department that can move it
off the site fairly quickly, too. I I don't know if Prestige is going to just voluntarily move it forward. So, I I can negotiate that with them, but I don't know if for sure they will do that. >> Well, as an attorney, do they have any >> But you're asking me to basically sue them? If you if you're directing me to
sue them to get them to force them to do it, I can do that. But I it's not something I can just demand. I mean, I I can't just go out and get a court order demanding they do that. It's not something I can just run out and go get. >> They have not volunteered to do that, >> right? But um
>> but then that's that's that much more time that Mr. Mortiz will be waiting >> right >> for us. >> I I still like I don't want to throw it all out the window. So, I still I would make a motion that we uh first work to
find a solution to keep the mobile home and see if there's any department in the county or the sheriff's office that needs it or that could use it and and and that it could be moved or held quickly. Otherwise, we go to the regular
option too, which is just replace. But I'd first like to take a swing to see if we don't just throw all of that out the window. That's my motion. >> Well, that's that's not doable. >> We have to make it it could potentially
be added to one of the >> You're you're suggesting alternative too with that modification. >> Yes. Okay. >> With the modification. So, Commissioner Oak Starky's motion is to uh as for option two
with the three years to not sell the property or >> No, never. No, no. To Oh, no. I >> I'll be I'll be qu I don't know the I know that Mr. Hobby offered that. I'm not sure the benefit of that restriction to be honest. I mean,
>> wait, aren't we putting a legal home on there? >> You are. I'm not sure what the benefit is of saying that they have to live in it for three years. I I I don't I mean, >> if that's a legal house on that street, sadly, then we we can't do that. >> Then we'll then we'll remove that from from Commissioner Stark's motion. So,
Commissioner Stark's motion is option number two with finding a potential reuse for the structure that's currently on the site. >> And if that cannot be found in a timely manner,
>> we're not going to use that as a credit, >> then we we lose we Oh, then we can use it as a credit. Yeah. >> I will second um Catherine Commissioner Skey's motion. We have a motion and a second.
>> If I could just add to that, can we just add timely matter so within we could get it moved in the next 30 days >> because if it's going to take longer than that, it's going to we're going to have to start paying more of Mr. Ortiz's rent because >> but didn't I see he has a $3,000 penalty
if he doesn't stay in that house for >> he has a three he he to terminate his lease an existing lease he's has to pay a $3,000 penalty but it's going to take four to six months to get a new modular in there. If we're if we can't get the
mobile home off it's going to delay Prestigia's ability to get the modular built. So, if it's going to take us longer than say 30 days to get the mobile home off of there, at some point it's going to delay Mr. Prestige's ability to get the modular in
there. >> Well, are you saying they still have to build that modular if they if they are >> and they do have to manufacture it, but >> Okay, then we have some time that they still have to manufacture it. >> So, we're out of >> Yeah, but but there's a limit in how much time we have. >> We have a motion and a second. We've had 30 days a 30-day window to the motion.
One more, Commissioner Oakley. >> Just One thing, if you're not using that home as a credit, you're not going to get that credit toward that modular home. So then you're going to be paying more money for a modular home to go on that site because you're holding back
what you were going to get credit for before by pulling that mobile home off to the side. >> But if we have a use for it, >> that doesn't make sense to do that. It's it's not a clean straight. We made a motion on a second.
>> Well, I know you have, but you hadn't voted in. We >> We've had ties. [laughter] >> I mean, y'all can vote it that way if you want to. I'm not voting for that. I can tell you it's going to cost us money, more money than us. >> Well, this is seem to be more of a
humanitarian vote today um right now. So, we have a motion and second is not a roll call. >> It is. I think >> it is because Commissioner is online. Clerk, you please call the role. >> District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> No. >> District two, Commissioner Weightman. >> I. >> District three, Commissioner Starky.
>> I. >> District four, Commissioner Joerger. >> I. >> Commissioner District 5 Commissioner uh Chairman Mariano. >> He's uh not here. Motion passes 3 to one. Um >> thank you. >> Thank you everybody. Mr. Is Mr. Ortiz
here. >> Thank you very much. He's here. >> Yeah. >> Thank you for being patient with us. We'll do what we can to appreciate commission rectify you on this. >> Be sure and put a driveway in. >> No more questions. All right. >> Can we get the building department to get the driveways in the enforced?
>> Please, please, staff, please get with the customers and back. Okay. Now, we're going to move to public hearings. We'll proceed with public hearing starting with ordinance P-51. That's >> 51 proof of publication
Tampa Bay Times January 28th 2026. >> Thank you Mr. Chairman. Octarios PTOs plank development economic growth department. Item P-51 is PDE 26004. Uh this is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land
Development Code amending section 802 tree preservation and replacement. The request for today is to continue this item to March 24, 2026 at 1:30 p.m. or as soon thereafter as may be heard in New Richie. >> We have continuence on this one.
>> Move to continue. This is the last continuence I will vote for. This has got to get done. We are losing trees by continue and continuing. >> You have a motion. Second. >> I think I said that last time. >> I have two people signed up to speak.
It's on the agenda as a continuence. >> All right. So folks, since this was on there as a continuence, >> do you want to wait to speak to it when we hear the item at the next meeting? >> If it's continuous, I may not want to speak to it.
>> So you guys want to wait? We're not going to hear this item today. Yes, ma'am. You can come up come up and speak. But if you speak today, >> you can't speak in the future. >> This is legislative, so they're they can speak every time.
>> Oh, they can't, >> but they get your normal rules are that you don't take comments. >> Well, they pass too. We've we've continued this awful and it's confusing and it's confusing folks. Go ahead, ma'am. >> Okay. >> My name is >> Name and address for the record, please.
>> What? I >> Name and address for the record. >> Yes. My name is Jean Fehee. I live at 7629 Bay Hill Court in Tall Pines. First, I want to thank you all for what
you are doing for all of us in Pasco County. I really want to thank you. It means a lot to me. It means a lot to my neighbors. We purchased our home in Tall Pines because of the trees
and the Florida wilderness that surrounded us there up in Tall Pines. We knew then as now that trees mitigate climate change, prevent severe storm damage, and
maintain environmental health. Our youngest son was 14 years old. He is now 46. We came back home to the US from
Victoria, British Columbia, where I was the director of training and development for the province's Ministry of Lands and Forest. Just between you and me, don't you
sometimes yearn to see once again the enchanting forest and wilderness of old Pasco County? Don't you wish your grandchildren could see that?
You can make that happen by putting preservation back into our tree ordinance as a priority, as a major priority, as the priority. This will ensure all future generations,
yours and mine, and yours. See and experience the beauty and magnificence of the Pasco County. We we love because as Theo of Golden says, for anything to
be good, truly good, there must be love in it. There must be love in it. So my love and gratitude to you. Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am. Next,
>> Julia Bartunic, 2645 Meadowwood Drive, New Purichi, Florida 34655. And I won't take much time here. Thank you for giving us a moment to speak on this uh even though it was continued.
And uh I just wanted to thank everybody, especially Pasco County for all their hard work that they've put into developing this tree ordinance. and it we love the strength of it. We love the uh saving 20% of the tree canopy and we
also love the mitigation credits that are going to be uh issued in addition to the 20% that is being saved. Um I'm not familiar if there's been a new updated revision. I would like to stay in awareness of any revisions that are made
or I'd like to ask will there be more revisions made to it uh before March 24th? Uh if so, of course, we do not want any cap because $3,500 to mitigate and clear cut an acre of trees in Pasco
County would really hurt Pasco County. Um it will hurt residents. It'll hurt taxpayers in the long run. It will be so expensive to remediate this clear cutting. Um because trees provide storm water uh benefit, biodiversity, economic
benefits, increase property values, and help with community health and mental health. Um lastly, we also don't want the 5 acre exemptions that will um potentially for residential commercial lots, any residential and commercial lot
can be included in maintaining 20% of the tree canopy. Today when I parked here for this meeting, of course, I looked under for a tree to park under because trees provide shade for our community. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you, ma'am. >> Hi, my name is Jasmine Porkin. I live in Clearwater. Uh, >> address, please. >> 100 Hampton Road, Unit 203, Clearwater, Florida 33759. >> Thank you. I have 10 acres in uh Hudson.
I bought them u 25 years ago. I take a trip from Clear Water to Hudson every day. Uh when I first bought this land, uh there were cow pastures on each each side of uh Little Road and there was
basically nothing on Hudson Avenue. Now when I go up there every day there is a new parcel totally deforested completely bulldozed over. I don't recognize the place anymore. And
if we continue this discussion, can we stop cutting trees until we make this decision? Because there will be no trees to protect by the time we make this decision.
I have a presentation, but I'll save it for the next time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. Do you have a motion in a second? >> Um under discussion. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um just the reason it's being continued
is not continuing to work on it is because we don't have two commissioners here and we want everyone to be here when we vote on it. So, Commission Commissioner uh Mariano is out of state on county business. So that's why it was continued because I asked the same
question. Okay. >> Have a motion. Second. All in favor? >> I. >> Commissioner Jagger is she online? >> Oh yeah. Roll call. >> She's not. >> She's not. >> Okay. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> continuing to pass. P52. >> P52. Proof of publication Tampa Bay
Times January 7th 2026 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. [snorts] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Pitos playing development economic growth. Item P-52 is PTE 260011. This is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for
a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 12 changing from res 3 residential three dwellings per gross acre to PD plan development and approximately 18.99 acres of real property located on the north side of state road 52 approximately 620 ft west of North Sun
Lake Boulevard and a text amendment creating subarial policy flu 7189 and a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9 adding subaria map 2-989 9 SR52 Heasley. The request is to continue this ordinance to March 24, 2026 at 1:30 p.m.
or as soon thereafter as may be heard in Newporti. You >> have a motion. >> Uh so moved. >> Second. All in favor? >> I >> I >> P53. >> P53 proof of publication Tampa Bay Times
October 22nd, 2025 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Item P53 is PTE 260023. This is an ordinance amending the Paso County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 19
from res 9 residential nine dwelling units per gross acre and IIL industrial light to IIL industrial light on approximately 75.017 017 acres of real property located at the corner of the south of the southwest corner of the intersection of interlocking road and gun highway and
providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal servability and effective date. This comes with a recommendation to accept public comment adopt the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and ordinance by roll call vote. >> Thank you. Do you have anybody? >> We have a presentation signed up for
this item. Anyone here to speak to P53? Seeing none, you have a motion. >> Approve. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I thought this one was done already.
>> Thought they were like shovel in the ground. >> Now back to public hearings. >> Um I'm sorry. That was a ordinance. So it should have been a roll call vote. >> P53. >> Correct. >> All right. Clerk, please call the roll.
District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi. >> District two, Commissioner Waitman. Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi. >> District four, Commissioner Joerger. >> District five, Chairman Mariano. >> Not here. Motion passes 30. B54. >> B54. Proof of publication, Tampa Bay
Times, December 17, 2025, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. This item was continued from February 3rd, 2026 BCC meeting to today. >> Thank you. Item P54 is PD 260016.
This is a comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPA 2403 Elite 52 PD. It's providing for the transmitt of a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and she 12 from AG agricultural and AGR agricultural rural to PD plan
development on approximately 156 acres of real property located north of state 52 approximately 6 mile east of the intersection of state 52 and US highway 41 and a text amendment creating sub area policy flu 7181 uh 7.1.81
81 uh Elite 52PD and a map amendment to the future language map 2-9 adding sub area map 2-981 elite 52PD and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal servability and effective date. This comes with a recommendation to authorize transmitt of
the post comprehensive plan amendment to the department of commerce Florida Commerce and other reviewing agencies and there's a presentation if so desired. >> Would anyone like to see a presentation? >> No. Thank you. >> Any public comment? I have three signed up and one online.
>> Uh, yes, ma'am. Who's in person? >> Caitlyn Bu. >> Name, man. Just for the record, have you been sworn? >> I have been sworn. My name is Caitlyn Bule. BU L. My address is 11 1934 Driver Lane. >> Thank you. >> Okay.
Um, so I'm a flight nurse and a private pilot. I live in pilot country with my husband who's also a pilot. Um I kept hearing in the planning commission meeting that the density was compatible. However, the neighborhoods surrounding this proposed development are 1, five,
and 10 acre lots. Uh while this development has lots which are 0.165 acres, it seems like there are some mental gymnastics required to call that compatible density. These lots are small enough that a two-story house built on it will be
quite close to my property line and it will loom over the privacy barrier, making the barrier ineffective. I am totally good with having a couple neighbors back there, but that is not what this is. This would put five or six seconds story windows right at my property line. There will be nowhere to
hide. This is going to obliterate any privacy I have in my backyard or in my pool. The houses are planned to be too high and too close for me to be able to even regain my privacy with planting trees or building a wall. The concept plan uh happens to prove my
point. [clears throat] The applicant owns the house in pilot country that backs up to the park area of this planned development. This guy knows it would suck to have five second story windows peering into his backyard and he has protected his own property from it while inflicting it on his neighbors. I
support his effort to maintain his own privacy just as I hope you all will sorry support his neighbors in achieving the same. I see two possible solutions here which I hope you will consider. One is to limit the houses bordering pilot country
to a single story or two instead of having these lots packed in like sardines make them halfacre lots that would allow the houses to be set farther back from the property line to make the privacy barrier effective. Uh, in conclusion, the combination of the height of the buildings and their
density creates an overwhelming change to Pilot Country residents privacy. If either the height or the density were changed, then I would support this plan. Thank you for hearing me out. >> Thanks. >> Next up is Chris Bu.
>> Hello all. Christopher Buell 11 1934 Driver Lane. Uh I haven't sworn uh my wife and I wife just spoke were at the planning commission um that predated this uh three or four weeks ago as well. Uh a couple open topics for me that were
coming from that. Um one of them was um there was nothing that they were advertising that there was enhanced privacy barrier um between Pilot Country and the development. Um, but there was nothing in there that actually defined what the plants or trees that they were
going to plant as part of the privacy barrier or what the actual fence was going to be. Um, so if it's just going to be a white vinyl fence that's going to blow over in the next storm or if it's going to be some meaningful trees along with that. Um, so that was would be something I thought was an open um
item from the planning commission that I'd like to hear more about. U, the other one is a followup. It was the um tree mitigation for all the clearing that was done uh on the northern part of the property while it was agricultural. And it's my understanding that there's a
five-year waiting period if it's going to go and get reszoned into housing or unless there's a plan for the remeitation for the trees. Um and if there are, it would be great if that was put between us and uh the housing development to
um reinforce the privacy barrier between the two. But those were open um issues from the previous meeting that I would like to to hear about. Again, like my wife said, you know, we're not opposed to developing um behind us there. they can do what they like with their land, but it would
be um helpful uh to our property values as well as theirs if everything wasn't crammed in and there was something that defined what um the privacy barrier was going to be. Uh third concern is just the um level of flooding that we get in
our neighborhood and the water mitigation coming from that part of the property to the east. um previous owners um did a significant amount of landfill dumping on the southern part of that property um in the last decade that's made the flooding significantly worse
into our neighborhood because instead of all the water from that property flowing south towards 52 and getting cleared it now all goes west into the southeast uh corner of our neighborhood which is flooding over the wetland section there and there's nowhere else for it to go.
Um, so I know there's supposed to be um, u, you know, part of the water commission is going to go out and do their planning purposes and stuff like that. I'm not sure that they are aware that there's BMS up there. They're larger than this room. Uh, and previous dumping that's
already lifted um, the grade for a lot of that property already, making the flooding a lot worse. But thanks for your consideration. a couple uh your some of your timeline questions staff can answer on the tree tree uh timeline there.
>> Next, >> next up is Mark Bod. >> I've been sworn and my address Mark Bud. My address is 11748 Driver Lane and I was also here at the previous meeting. I have very similar concerns as the previous
speakers. Uh I also talk about the inconsistency of the lot sizes from the Pasco Trails community and our community and this right in the middle. U I've always been
uh concerned about the zoning around the airport. have made those uh concerns safety concerns and incompatible land use concerns in previous uh meetings concerning the airport zoning around the airport. So, I'm not going to reiterate
those. Um, and I've been there for 25 years. I have a nice view out the back. It's beautiful. I understand that, uh, you know, there's progress to be made. I'm not against any of that, but uh the
density that's there is pretty much five times what we have. And I can picture out the my back yard. Now, I'm going to be looking at potentially multi-story, at least twotory with 35
foot foot restriction. But if I get up close to my property line, I'm going to be looking 45 degrees up and nothing but walls with 10 foot uh clearance between them, which is going to really destroy all the property
values along that western side of pilot country. And so I'm not not in favor of that kind of density at all. And I agree with uh Caitlyn and her husband that if you're gonna, you know, the density
either has to be reduced or the the height of the houses have to be reduced to ensure that it's at least somewhat compatible with this uh surrounding communities and doesn't destroy our property values. >> Thank you.
>> Thanks, sir. >> Yes, I have someone signed up online, Spencer Brass. Mr. Brass. >> Yes. Commissioner, can you hear me? >> Oh, yeah. We sure can.
>> Go ahead. >> 111500 Country Drive >> and we're going to >> had the opportunity to meet >> Wait. And good faith >> all about this project. It's been a long time. >> You've been sworn >> and appreciate your support.
>> Yes, I have been sworn. >> Okay. Thank you. had a little delay there >> and I'm available to answer any questions that may come up. >> Thank you, Miss Miss Wilhight. This is Miss Wilhight for the applicant. >> Did you want to call for any more public
comment? >> Is that it? Do we have any more? >> No one else has signed up. >> Okay. Just want to make sure keeping things in order. Barbara will 6327 Grand Boulevard for the applicant. As Spencer Brass, my client has said, we've worked on this for a while. Um,
when we originally brought this project forward, we came forward with 300 town homes at a density of 5.5 units per developable acre. We did that looking at the the development that had gone on that had been approved on the west side
of the airport, which was 40 foot lots and apartments. So, town homes were were consistent. Um the other thing that has happened so our density now we've decreased it to 108 single family detached homes along our western border
60 foot lots and then the balancer 50 foot lots. Our density is now two um 0 two units per acre. So and my client did that after meeting with the the homeowners and the residents. That's when he decided to
step back and and change the project to what you see today. To answer regarding the enhanced buffer, we brought forward from the beginning an enhanced buffer along that western boundary. When we came to planning commission and heard the concerns of the neighbors, the um
planning commission asked if we could go at it again and have an enhanced enhanced buffer. So, we did. The question always comes up, what are you going to plant? How close are they going to be? and how tall at planting. So, we answered those questions. We we came up
with this a southern red cedar. Those at planting will be 12 feet high and they're unlike a tree who like this and then goes up, right? Um those are are wide to begin with and then they fill themselves in. So, you have a pretty
much a very a solid buffer. The [laughter] code would require our trees to be 30 feet on center and these will be 12 on center. Again, 12 feet of planting. We're required to have a six foot high wall or fence and we will have an 8 foot
high wall or fence. We'll have our shrubs on the outside of the fence towards the neighbors, the 8ft high fence, and then the 12 feet high um at planting southern red cedars. regarding the safety concerns and the
zoning concerns reg around the airport. After a long time, you have an airport protection ordinance and you you studied you had hired professionals to go do noise studies and to guide you and your staff did a lot of work um as to what's
compatible with the airport and you have an ordinance. We're following that ordinance. This these uses are compatible with your airport ordinance that you adopted and we'll have to follow all the requirements of that ordinance. We did note again this is for the comp plan amendment but we will be bringing
back an MPUD um it's already because it went to planning commission as the MPD and the zone and the comp plan but because you have a transmitt hearing you just have the comp plan before you but we did note Christy Barrerero is here from height design and we on our plans
it has 35 feet as the maximum height that is always confusing to me you know what is 35 feet is that two stories is that three stories we modify our plan coming to the with the MPD that comes to you at your next hearing after this is transmitted if you approve it um to two
stories so it's clear instead of a height and then with regard to flooding I took notes regarding that um Miss Pereira is here from height design she also is taking those notes that is important to them as they design a project that they understand those localized issues
the um the allegations regarding where the park area is located adjacent to the owner. I didn't even know that and and Christie didn't know that until it was raised at um at planning commission height design laid it out because that was the best location centralized
location for the park and also made a nice look as you come through the project and you come up to the park and then go right or left the tree all the things you've heard from the neighbors regarding what somebody did to the property as prior to
our client's ownership Whatever it is regarding tree mitigation, whatever the rules are for what somebody did prior to my clients uh our clients buying the property, that is is what it is. Um, as far as what happens to that,
again, my clients didn't do any of the things that they allege regarding they and they did say previous owner regarding landfill dumping, removal of trees, all those things um were not done by my client, but certainly they're they own the property, so they're responsible for whatever the ordinance requires.
>> Thank you. >> I think I hit each of the items. Thank you. >> Mus, >> can you put up that picture? So, I was gonna I was wondering what is that house that's jutting out into the property. So, is that the owner's
You see that? See how those trees go into the back into the other property? Is I'm guessing that must be the owner's house then because I was trying to figure out what they meant. Why? Um >> I I I have no idea. I don't do not know
where my clients live. >> Just give me a thumbs up if that's the owner's house. Yeah, I can come point it out for you more specifically if you want. >> That's great. >> Well, I I've just seen that there is a house there that's in the into the property behind it. >> So interesting. But uh Okay. Can you go
back to to Barbara's map? Um so I've been trying to see it on here. I did listen to the planning commission meeting and they I think it was John Moody who showed that the trees were
trees have been taken out. Um are you saying your client bought the property after the trees were taken out? >> That's my understanding correct. Yes. Spencer is online so he can answer if somebody will bring him up to him to speak.
>> I can't get Pasco. Um the property appraiser site is not working today and I can't get Pasco Mapper to work either. Um but I did see those see where that was heavily wooded and someone took it out. So we do have rules and what what
are the rules if uh David Allen do you know what they are about clear land clearing before you come in to change your zone? So, it would depend on whether I can answer that. It depend on whether they did it under a agricultural exemption or not
and whether they were properly zoned and did it for a 5-year period or not. >> Well, that's what I'm asking. Did they >> I have no idea. I don't >> Well, why why why would we not research that before someone comes in for a reasoning? >> Well, we would when they come in for site plan approval.
>> Yes. This is this is a transmit. >> Okay. So, that that's when that happens. >> This is this is a trans. When they come in for site plan approval, staff would look to see if they qualify for that exemption or not. >> So why do we wait till site plan approval? Because then then someone could clear cut their property and then
go through all this other stuff >> because that's when we determine tree mitigation for all all tree mitigation is determined at site plan approval. >> Okay. I think then then people are just going to cut away.
>> It's not when it occurs. That's when we address it. So they will look back. >> Yes, they'll look back if if >> but we don't do tree mitigation in the comp plan stage. >> But but I but you uh how do I say >> they'll have to it at site plan if if
they improperly took down those trees? If they don't qualify for the exemption, they'll have to mitigate for that tree removal. >> But when does the clock start ticking? At at at that moment or or when they started applying for the change?
>> The the clock was already t The clock was ticking on the exemption when they started the removal. But if you're asking when do we when do we start the look back? It's when they come in for site plan approval. >> Okay. But you'll look let's see. Okay. So can you can you go back a few go back
a few years? >> With all due respect this doesn't have to do with what we're voting on today. >> Okay. So we can't we can find this out. on this. >> This does not that subject does not happen. >> So Barbara's saying whatever our rules are, she she's admitting that if they
have to mitigate for their removal, they'll have to mitigate further removal. She's >> publicly stated that. >> That's correct. >> All right. So then the next thing um and I if you could go back to can you get rid of that box and I can deal with it like this. Um, so we have the small lots
on the left, which they're not backing up to anyone, although that's not one of our better neighborhoods. I would take that back all day long. Um, uh, I'm I am a little concerned of
putting 60s up to one acre lot behind one acres. I don't I um I'm not so concerned about the screening because that's the responsibility of both sides. I mean, you don't own your view.
You don't own your view. So, but is it compatible to put a 60 next to I don't know how I don't know how big those lots >> on the west side you have apartments up against up against there. >> West approved apartments. Miss I think the question is what's future land use
of this site for >> it's it's currently AGR original land use agriculture. >> Well I'm just talking about this row of houses next to that row of houses and and then I look over here and they're big lots over here. I I am getting concerned that you you until someone
shows me the other way people are going to go east and west north of State Road 52. Should we really be increasing uh putting a lot of density along the northern side of 52? We're going to have a backlog kind of like what we have on
54. What's going to happen on 54? So, I'm I'm wondering if we could not change out some of those 60s for 70s. >> Um >> well, we can look at it, commissioner. This is a transmittal hearing on the comp plan and there and the size lots are not in the comp in the comp plan.
It's just a number looking to my Yeah. So looking to your long range stat maybe the number is needs to be reduced just a little bit for my >> well it's a maximum and ultimately if your MPD if you transmit the complent amendment with the numbers that are in it and then you decide at the MPD stage
it needs to be something different you can do that still >> but we can also transfer it with a less lesser >> we'd be just guessing which really isn't fair to the applicant and you're not you're not out because you can address this at NPU It's
perfectly fine to have one number in a comp plan and have less in the zoning. It does happen that way. >> So, commission >> and you can and they can reduce the number in the final adoption of the comp plan. >> That's true. Very true. Very true. Transmitting it as it is today and then
you're trying to negotiate down the line or what would you like to do since there's three of us? >> Um, well, I want to hear what how you guys feel. I'm the only one that's said how I feel. So, I want to know. Well, I I don't have any problem with the the development that they're
proposing. Uh I think I've already heard that they didn't remove the trees. It could have been done prior or before then. Not their fault at all. Um I think if there's a buffer here, we do need to make sure a buffer is is good
for the folks here at Pilot Country and where this where this lies. And I think I believe that Spencer will take care of doing the right thing there. So >> I think it's a good project. >> So So on those buffers, I think it's also the responsibility of the pilot
comp uh country residents if they don't own the view from their backyard. If they don't want to see the house, they can also plant trees. So I we always put it on the new develop new person, but I have a little mixed feelings on that.
But um and frankly >> I think that'll work out in the >> process of developing. >> And and Barbara, you're saying you're going to restrict them to twotory houses. >> We can add that to the MPU because right now it's 35 ft, which probably could fit
three. Yeah, that's >> I I I don't I don't see a [clears throat] need for a restriction, but I just think the law should be bigger than that. But that's that happens somewhere else, right? >> Yeah, that happens when it comes back to
>> We'll certainly look into it. >> All right. Any any further questions? Have a motion to transmit this item up to Tallahassee for review. I'll >> move second. Second >> roll call, I guess.
>> Do we have to do is Lisa on? >> No, it's not. This is not an ordinance adoption even though it's on that section here, >> but she's not online. >> So, all in favor? >> I >> I thank you. >> All right. Thank you. B55. >> B55. This item was not advertised
correctly. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chario Pitos again, planning development, economic growth, P-55 is PD26 C9. This is a conditional use request in the name of Bear Creek Group, Home Elevated Youth Services. The
request is to continue the item to the March 24, 2026 uh Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. or assume thereafters may be heard in Newport Richie. >> All right, we have a motion to continue. Move continuous. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I
>> I >> B56. >> P56, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, January 7th, 2026, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. >> Item P-56 is PD 267890. This is a zoning amendment in the name
of SR52 Heesley LLC/Sr52 Heesley MPUD master plan unit development. This is a resoning request from an AC agricultural district in MPUD master plan development to allow for the development of 100 uh units. The request here is to
continue to the March 24, 2026 uh board of county commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. or as soon thereafter as may be heard in Neworichi. >> So move continuous. >> Second. >> All right, we have a motion second. All in favor? >> I >> P57
>> P57 publication Tampa Bay Times January 7th, 2026 and Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. >> Item P57 is PTE 267895. This is a zoning amendment in the name
of groundf flooror storage LLC/Oldixie RV Resort MPUD master plan unit development. It's a reszoning request from an R4 Highdensity Residential District and MPU master plan unit development to allow for 52 RV space resort. This is request is to continue
the item to the April 21, 2026. >> Excuse me. I'm sorry. Right before the meeting, the uh applicant mentioned that they were requesting a continuence to a date uncertain on this item. >> Okay, we have a motion to move 57 to a date uncertain.
>> Y have a motion. We have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> P58. >> P58. This item was not advertised correctly. >> And item P58 is PE267899. This is a zoning amendment the name of
Daniel D Pasquali and Kevin Singleary/Mass Massachusetts Avenue, which is a change in zoning from C1 Neighborhood Commercial to C2 general commercial district. This is requested to continue to the March 10, 2026 1:30 p.m. uh Board of County Commissioners meeting or soon thereafters may be heard
in Date City. >> Do we have a motion? >> Move continuence. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I thank you. >> All right. Thank you. And we heard 259. We have anything from your folks for the
good of the order? >> No, sir. >> Anything other from staff? All right. Well, with that, we'll adjourn our meeting. >> Be careful how you do that. >> Guy before me. >> [laughter] >> Yeah.
>> Good job. >> Make sure it hasn't been. >> You did better than I expected. >> Well, thank you.