--------- the building report. You got to do this. You got to do that. Am I correct? >> Yes, ma'am. >> We have done this. So, please be patient. We will come up with a solution. Just give us time. We've only done two of these. So, um I can assure
you in six months from now, he'll come back with some success stories of what happened to those folks that we did take out of the woods. We're not going to help 100%. We never will. But we are on the right track to helping sons. So with all due respect, I just hope you'd give
us a chance, give us some time, but we are making huge progress. >> Well, I think you have our full support and it's exciting to see that folks are taking you up on the offer. Those aren't necessarily the folks that, hey, they're on a trip to recovery
to getting back into and becoming hopefully whole. ones that don't I think are the ones that okay now we've identified ones who are of the utmost
challenge >> what is our next steps with them is they're going to continue to to bring people together so you're kind of starting to identify two groups right and it's that hangover of the ones who
uh what are our options for that group? And that's that's where I'm hoping that we get to, right? And if it's a board policy, it's something that the state is handcuffing us on because the state's
been fairly proactive. They're running transient population streets. So you know that that's that's the next step in the approach that I'm I'm I'm very much interested
in. And by no means it is not going to work. This is fantastic. the fact that you all test in this short period of time basically a pilot project and assembling a team assembling a team finding the right personality traits to
go and working with these folks is a beautiful thing. However, um these folks who walk out need to know that the next step is going to be a lot more unpleasant, right? And
uh you guys know where I am on this, so I'll leave it there. But I'm very grateful to your team and animal services and fire department and Catholic Charities and everybody involved. It's just it's a tough issue learning
for grateful that [clears throat] you take the panel to do this, but you know, frustrations run downhill. they come to us and a lot of pressure on us down to you to figure this out and you know in America
in the culture we want it now immediate results it's like well it's not like Amazon you can't buy buy [clears throat] the next day right so we're we're we're talking this is obviously uh uh there's a great sense of urgency
success here u but that also means gloves are off. So, thank you. >> I'm going to say I promise you, Commissioner Wakeman, that we will come up with a solution for that. It might take us a couple of months, but we will
come up with a solution. And I'm going to promise you that. And I just want I just want to say that people don't realize this is such a complex issue because most of it stems from the mental health component and you do have to keep
welcoming them back and we are very fortunate to have Bayare who it works alongside us and you know we talk about you know who who do you know you know and most of these people have all their relationships are correct. they they've
burned all their bridges. So, um you know, it's it takes a lot of time to do that. And um just because we've I've worked with, you know, lots lots of homeless people and there will be success stories coming, families
reunited, jobs coming out of it, people coming on track, but really when it comes to the drugs and the mental health, they have to say yes to that. And once they say yes to that, that's a big piece of the puzzle to to move forward, you know, and that's that's the
the tricky part. You can't make them say yes, but you know, like when I when I talk to people, I'm like, when you're ready, here's how you can get a hold of my office because I can't force you to be ready. You're the one that needs to decide if you're ready. And when they are ready, they're in control of their
destiny and they can make huge changes. And you do see a ton of success stories like that four-year-old's now going to get services from the schoolboard and have an IEP and be able to learn how to communicate. So, I mean, you know, I've worked with cafeteries a bunch and I do
have a ton of success stories that have come out of there where people have been homeless and they are on their own. And I'm super proud of um the work you guys have done. I'm thankful to be on your calls and and on your team and um I
really do think we're moving the needle and um I look forward to some of those success stories and maybe one day we'll have somebody in uh tell us one of their stories. So that'd be great. Thank you. >> I like to say James I think Kathy did a
great job bringing James forward. The team you get together is great. I appreciate the the effort that you're going to go through. I get confidence you're going to get the right things, but as Commissioner W said there, still what are we going to do with these problems? I want to hit on a few different things. We'll get to some other things, too. But, um, you talk
about like how do you find these camps, whatever. I think you you can talk to the Hudson Fire team, the ones up in the roads, talked to them before they can tell you where all the camps are and they they do paramedic work out there, etc. They're going on. Recently I I had
called chief when we had a fire chief box area with a big fire in the area right in there what we talked about before sure enough in that area is where that fire was um it's dangerous for people
fires the chief said 28 out of the 30 fires we spent a lot of money on taxpayer money on trying to defeat these down they cause havoc they cause grief they cause danger and that's why this is so important what you do. Um,
recently going to uh Hudson area tax gas stations the CVS right there. I mentioned these things where there's homeless people out there with their signs very nicely made. They know they can get funds by staying there and
getting money. If these people in the woods and they can get their money, their drugs, etc., they're going to stay longer. That's why I keep on pushing this right away ordinance that we crafted just to keep keep the pressure on with doesn't matter if they got to be hassled. They got know they're going to
go on Walmart. You can walk in there nine out of 10 times you're going to see someone out front plugged in the cell phone in front of Walmart to get these businesses. They may not want to fight for them. We got to help them
in front of public. I think Chase, I sent you the email on it, but going into Publix at the side of the entryway, some guy going crazy with just yelling. I know scary mental health things that are going on there. So, you know, knowing
you're working closely with a sheriff is very important to get to get us to be on this. >> Uh yes, sir. Yeah, just to that point, uh Chase Daniels, under sheriff, community outreach operations, Pasco Sheriff's Office. Uh so, first things first, I do want to thank uh Corporal Zimmerman and Spidelli. they had to they had to get to to somewhere else. But um
whenever I talked to to you in your offices and I mentioned that I'm sending something to our team that that's a team I'm referring to. Uh so last year um they actually handled a little more than a thousand uh complaints that were referred to to us by by y'all's offices and in yourself. So I just did did want to recognize them in in the work they
do. Um but I did also want to talk to Commissioner your point. Uh and I think something that um you know I thank Mr. Walters and Miss Pearson for working so hard on um because it does become a challenge for us legally and also to Commissioner Waitman's point um whenever a business is open. So for instance, if
a Publix is open, we do not have the the legal authority to trespass anyone from there without Publix calling in and some representable Publix reporting it to us. So to that point, whenever something is is plugged in in front of there or Walmart and that business is open, whether there's a trespass agreement or
not, as long as it is open, we need the legal authority from that manager on duty or someone responsible to to remove them from there. So that's where reaching out to those businesses, creating those partnerships are are incredibly impactful for us because trespass agreements are great on on vacant lots or businesses are closed,
but during open hours, um legally we can't presume who the business wants there or not. So having that that buy in from those businesses to ask us to remove those people um is huge. You know yesterday Commissioner Starky referred us a a uh case out of the 7-Eleven where we were actually able to go out and make
contact with the manager and now he understands that you know calling into us and asking those people to be removed are the steps forward there. So but but to to your point on on that it's that this is buying as well >> together things like 7-Eleven that see
people homes business call you need to help agree with them homeless went away from that spot. So, I don't do it, but but the reason I bring it out is if these agreements aren't in place. Like the other day, I'm driving down because uh
at the Walmart I got one homeless person. At 19, I got another homeless person. I go up taking a right going to the north and right in front of the room. Now, you took care of the other two and you did it very quickly, which I appreciate. Um but the one in front said you couldn't get the property. If we
don't have an agreement, etc. I want to know. I'll work with you. Let's go get one. It's not good for the customer. the citizens the people in the public CVS or without either. So I think if they aware of how important this issue is, we can do something and if you need
my help to have those conversations and everyone in their own district would do the same type of thing, you need to get these agreements in place. If they're not not, let's communicate that. >> Yes, sir. But but I I will say too uh in addition to the to the agreements because I said if the agreements are
great and the business is closed or not open but during business hours we also need those businesses to inform their managers and things like that that they need to call in and report those make sure we in place for sure.
>> This may be good for anybody. I'm not sure commission I think you were aware of this as well. So when a person gets educated in jail, when they get released from the jail for a long time, they were dumping people into our camps. Is that
process still going on? If we stop that, >> u state correction. >> Yeah. And and so on once they are released, they they are released on once your sentence sentence is over. And it's it's up to up to them where where they choose to go from there.
>> Are you talking about the probation >> sex? >> It's the people with the sex offenders. >> So I know uh we were we were engaged um with the the state department of of corrections regarding their the community probation and parole. I my my understanding is that that is not an
issue anymore and I've not heard complaints about that recently, but that's uh still an issue. We're certainly happy to to re-engage with them. >> Well, the only way we even knew that was happening was because our code enforcement guy followed a U-Haul truck that was
going into Robert Wild's private property off PL. And when our code enforcement officer asked him what he was doing, he said, "This is where I was told by his probation guy to move to." And so he was literally unpacking his
U-Haul on her private property. And and so it is known it is known where they are because they have to wear ankle bracelets. And so they they get checked regularly. So, I I'm not asking where they are, but they
are they are living somewhere in the county. And we're not the only county with this problem. Everybody is because they have to be 1,000 ft from a school or a church. And so, there's certain zones where they're told they could go to and um it is definitely known by law
enforcement where those are because they have to be checked at the monitor. So if I get some from a federal president especially I'd love to see as you say I'll follow
because frankly something there was a point in time the homeless years ago where they asked everybody where they were from and if they deemed them to be they were here for a few years that they were now our business I don't think they should be around I think they should go back
>> but if they if they works that they were arrested in Pasco, then they come back to Pesco. We had it worked out that we could send them to a treatment facility in Orlando and we were willing to pay for it, but the state said, "You cannot
take your problem and send it to another county." So, they went we had we had room for a treatment center in Orlando and we had room in Panellis County because we don't have a place for them. And so um it was all set and and then they they said no they can't do it that
we could do >> people down here they paid their rent for a year they become homeless and now they're rich people I some type of thing. >> Yeah. San Francisco the most effective thing they had with dealing with the oldest population is years ago which is
when they sent it back to where they came from because if you notice the haven they all come over now they deal with the issue that's why they get so many because the sentence and I don't want to be deficit and I appreciate the success of the
numbers 82 such short I want to give you another option too that could be out there the company um CEO Tim Tim Chen Granny from Davis Analytic was talking to him yesterday. We're talking about some different issues. He says, "You know, I
just got a big contract. I got a lot of people I need to hire." He says, "I work with the M skills in the past. They great success. I'm willing to work with some of these people even if their goals to get them in there, get them into a job, etc. So, we're going to take those steps coming up. In fact, these are just
steps for recovery as well. That would be another great person that people go work too. Homeless veteran summer woods, etc. maybe get those steps because making money get sidet and years ago we had the leisure lane and dor properties that we had out there
and one of the things that were very suspect with some of these people the attitude of I'm just going to go find somewhere else to go we had 33 people had the head of the coalition out there no takers to get any help >> that's because they had that white house right there they had power and
>> everything they needed legally from that business Yeah. machetes. So we know the danger that's there as well. These people are not the nicest people. Um I'd also say Mike if we can
pastor Jen's over here now. She's trying those trails we gave her to use. we can find some of those people there's another opportunity just like the hope center that people we can help give you some relief but with all that said this is a
big issue you're a big man I got faith in your great team you put together and I appreciate all of you guys all your help all your compassion we've got it too but at the same time we listen to our citizens about their safety their health and you know even front like this let's
say Johnson post office. Maybe there's some way we can put something together. Maybe it's working with other groups to go clean up the messes in these places, you know, payment fees, whatever. Someone's got some just to help clean it up. Because I'll tell you, when hurricane comes in, all these loose
debris going around, whether it be needles, trash, whatever. It gets into the Gulf, it gets into the streets, whatever. It's not a good law for us anyway. because if there's a way we can find ways to work with these private lands that didn't know this was happening or couldn't find a way to stop because machetes anyway what are you
going to do so if we could find ways to keep on going appreciate it Kathy we just made these conversations they have to be made again really appreciate you bringing Jim into your team and and working with all the people that are here and here those going back to
>> we'll keep going >> we just keep on going keep on working Thank you for all of your thought with help for getting public citizens whatot to get the managers I think I don't know if anybody from
Lawrence here from EDC button you're on EDC I'm assuming EDC tracks business tax receipts and they take county dollars through the penny I think we should partner with them and and task them to calling on these
businesses, telling them the challenges we're up against. That way, they're not weighed down and and take a proactive report with the EDC and have EDC reach out and explain them what we're doing and and try to get folks to or businesses to come online or existing
businesses or with to sign these these trespass agreements or at least get us in contact with the right folks. And uh you know, there's more to economic development than just what we're doing. is to keep what we have safe and clean and customers coming in the door and
that's their that's their mission right so might be a good those would be good >> yeah but the we you know we give a lot we give a lot of money and uh I think they're probably a pretty
critical resource to help us get a hold of some of these folks of business or or ask them to go track down um they have a seat on for give money and this is a a critical issue and uh I personally think
that they have an obligation to help to help us because they've got attract businesses right and um they're in tune with that that that or community maybe they can help that's a good idea I
think it's something we like as well uh business I know utilities is probably the easiest one of them all. But anytime we send a bill out, people can say, "Are you registered?" And maybe that that could be something won't cost us any more than a piece of
paper slipped in the bill and say, "Are you signed up?" We'll find ways to get the word out to the business community. the more trespass agreements you have then your land you've got legal authority have
thank you good work thank you and now we'll go to committee reports Mr. Ro somewhere down the street here. A great day. I mean, it's amazing how many people showed up for this this
house. And uh I only expect a few people but I'm telling you can they were really open for what to be done the work that could be done to help people that just need your help. The one they have
built over in the west side of county actually they expect about 400 clients come to that one. They have a about 1,600 And that provided they open up this
meeting by that time and they've already [clears throat] dealt things myself. >> [laughter] >> So have a fantastic project going on in our county lane member series. I know you've all heard about it and uh
Kathleen Tomco's here just just in case. >> Didn't see you out there. >> Yes. The first commission meeting she said she's come to. So I think it's important as the state develops and we keep a piece of our our state history.
Uh, and if there's a way to get help support the series um through the tour development tax um to help promote the movie, maybe get it in our our our schools somehow um and promote the lands. Much of the project is being
filmed right here in Pasco in district one and district two and the Pioneer Museum which we which the county supports with with a grant and uh the legacy of of Florida. I think it's important as the series evolves and and hopefully it gets into our school systems and becomes a piece of our state
history that families will learn how important life and nature is and how critical it is to our heritage. And so I think it'd be an exciting move if we help support uh the cause here. And um the initial
ask uh new Carvala is 250,000. other counties have chipped in and and there's ways to support it, but um I'd like >> second your motion. >> Okay. [laughter] To support it and >> I was going to bring it up if you did support the calls and and it just be a
unique opportunity a to sell past >> 100% >> and also our state district out there for conversation and it uh Kathy >> I have some photos of the was to give an update on on what they're
doing and what work they're doing. Um, I think it's it's a great a great opportunity for us. So, >> I I think people are going to want to come visit Pasco, see where the see where the movie was shot, go to the museum. Um, I'm I'm super excited about it and I was very thankful to be able to
watch you guys. >> You can throw some of my pictures up there from my >> I'll do some eyes from Pasco lived in Pasco. Um, when you go on Fox News and talk about your movie, you'll be talking about Pasco County. >> Absolutely. And I am sixth generation
from right here in Pasco County. Um, that's as far as I've, you know, my aunt has gone back to do our genealogy. But one of my favorite things that the author Patrick D. Smith did was he made this a historical fiction novel. Um,
there are real families, the likes family, the Hendry family, other families that are named in this book, but the Mcky family is all of our families. It's all of our families, how one way or another came into our state.
And when I say the Mcky family, it is Skillet that was found um in our film. He was found in the grandest way and he has an incredible backstory. Um it is just um something that I am excited that
um people not only in our county but um throughout our state are finally going to know who we are and we are the original cattleman and um you know citrus um we founded so many things here
in our state and Jeb Bush said that when his brother was governor of Texas there were more Texas flags flown than American flags. when he was governor of Florida, there were more American flags flown than Florida flags. And he looked at us when
talking with him about this production and said, "I am so excited for people to finally know who we are." Well, I am a Pasco County resident. This is my heart. I am 59 years old and I have lived in Dade City for 58 years of my life. My
parents are still here. um my grandparents or um generation when I looked at um Mrs. Pennock sitting here when I walked in the door um her husband and my grandfather um work together and
they're a part of my family and who I am and then sitting here listening to our homeless um problem that we have here in Pasco County. I look around and I see that. But when I see what we are about to put on the screen and educate people
as to who we are, I feel that there will be so many opportunities for a calls to action and for us to come together and help from all aspects of our county needs. And as um someone from Date City,
I am so honored that the majority of this film was filmed here in Pasco County. And we have left a footprint throughout our county as well as the Pioneer Museum. As we mentioned, it is a place and it's going to be a destination.
um some of our writers um it it's kind of a a um exciting situation that um we have brought in writers from House of Cards and Game of Thrones. Well, the writer from Game of
Thrones um his last name is Hill. His grandmother was my vice principal at Pasco Elementary. I mean, he came from out in the world of writing film and um has a date city connection. So much of
this story has a date city connection and a Pasco County connection. So, um just in um we have spent, you know, when asking for funding, we have spent so much money here in the county already
and we also have um a lot of um things that we need to pay from episodes one and two and we're looking forward to um three and four um expanding um our operation and hopefully um doing even more here in Pesco County, which I can't
imagine more. But um we have a huge huge bill that we're getting to um write a check. And when I say we're getting to, they have um accumulated um the horse feed and the you know kept a um account for us and that bill is due right now.
Um, we have had, you know, speaking of Yellowstone, we have had the Wranglers, um, who worked with Taylor Sheridan on 1883 working on our production. We have had the best of the best in this industry
coming to Florida. And the director is um, Florida Grump. He grew up right outside of Zephr Hills, right outside of Pasco County um in one of those LAR developments and um he is the director and the one who purchased the rights to
a land remembered and Patrick D. Smith's family chose him out of all the people that could have been chosen to tell this story. Um his plan of making a miniseries was the one um that they chose. And so I am just honored and proud. I can only say God is at the helm
with this production and the only reason that I am blessed to be a part of this production and also to not only um I have looked out the windows of this town um since I graduated from high school Pasco High in 85
and I have looked and dreamt of all that date city could be and I've seen it evolve from the you know and I've heard stories that we were the wealthiest city in in our country back in the citrus
days, we had the most wealth. And you know, it's not just about wealth. When the Mikidi family came across the Florida line, um they made this the Indians, the Indians, they became family. Skillet was brought into the
Mckini family. This story is about just bringing love and family and home back to our Florida. And I'm excited to be a part in telling that story >> and it educates the rest of the country if not the world about us as a cattle
state which um very few people know we were the first cate especially AOC [laughter] absolutely and I have to say um we could have um Todd Weisman Jr. I wouldn't have been a part of this if it had happened this way. But he was in LA. He graduated
from NYU film school, you know, here from right outside of our county to a graduate of NYU film school. He worked in um LA and he took this, you know, they wanted to send this production to Georgia. They wanted to film it in other countries. And Todd said, "Nope, we are
not going to tell our story anywhere else but Florida." So not having a tax credit in Florida, um we have gotten funding. We have lobbied and gone and spoken with the state and they have helped us with funding the production
which is a huge support for this this project and that's where we are coming to just different counties and you know the way I look at it is we are contributing to all counties here in Florida. we are going to drive the most
um honorable tourism. Um one um gentleman on our set who came from upstate to help us film said, "You know, I knew um Disney was in Florida." Well, I took my family to Disney. And he said,
"I've done that. I don't need to do that again as a man would say." And then he said, you know, I look at beaches and you know, I could go anywhere to find a beach, but he said, I have come here. I have seen what is here that I have never
known. And he said, Florida has the greatest treasures. And I think to be able to educate through this film of the treasures of Florida, we have, you know, shown our pine forest here in um Pasco County. We have shown our cattle land,
our um oak hammocks. Um we have shown you know our old homes. Um Zach Maidi who is you know the first generation second generation of the Mcky family was birthed at our pioneer museum. So it is just so exciting. Um all Can you show my
pictures real quick? Um I know that was a weird picture that I showed there, but I'll tell you I'll describe to you what it is. She gave us a tour uh of the hair and makeup bus or whatever you call it. That is an artist actually weaving
cypers. That is real hair and it's woven onto this mesh. It's amazing for for one of the characters. That's how authentic it is. Okay. What's another picture? I I didn't take great pictures. I was I apologize.
[laughter] We have >> That's fascinating. Do you not have my other pictures? >> No. >> Oh, I sent a whole bunch of pictures. No. No. Okay. >> Well, I do have to say this woman is an artist.
This this woman is an artist and >> I they have come from some of the greatest productions in um on projects um out of the industry that have had hundreds of millions of dollar budgets
and we are at a huge shift um in the industry right now. People are and I say we because I am a part of this now. It's so great. Um but people have left LA. I don't know that they're going back to LA. Um the film industry is going to
other countries. Um I love um seeing the film industry here in Florida because I've gotten to know the people and the people are like the people that I have grown up with here in this county in Day City. It is um you know they're artists and there's so many different trades and
we do have the best of the best um working on telling our story. We have an armorist that worked um you know doing the armory on the patriot and so many other well-known films glory I could just name so many um we have um told the
story of the battle of the lusty the largest civil war battle right here was found in Pasco County we are going to be telling the story gunshot I thought back on fire yes and
It's and so so you know back to the money we have spent in the county you know the the wrangler from um 1883 Taylor Sheridan's you know story um stayed at Little Everglades and kept 28 horses at Little Everglades here in in
Date City Pasco County um bought feed and hay from farmers feed in Date City and um the Wranglers um purchased a pickup truck at Jim Brown Um there are so many things that >> Where did you keep those oxen?
>> Um at my house [laughter] my house in the hills. So yes, it is um it is just really thrill. And Steve Melt, he's you know Pasco County. He has helped with the Pineer Museum and he opened his home and
we filmed at his land. You know I I named well the barles he put the homestead. >> That was stunning. That's the picture I have um that I just weld to Gina. I have a picture of the the w authentic wagon and the Indians um whatever a little thing that you
brought on. I think I wasn't supposed to take a picture so they're not going >> Oh, it's okay. It's okay. [laughter] >> That's why I didn't take a lot of pictures. for for the benefit we all know you uh and but for the benefit of the and for
those watching online put all the pieces together. >> Yes. Yes. I am Kathleco and um 16722 Spring Valley Road City Florida 33523.
I grew up on Palm Avenue, Fifth and Palm, the corner of Fifth and Palm here at Dave City. >> [clears throat] >> So, so thank us to see if there's an appetite brand. Uh, >> let's call the question that I've drafted after discussion here
on a little more technical just in terms because of where we're at with things. It would be my recommendation even though there is some pressure on the force development tax that this is a legitimate expense but it would require some amendments to their work plan. Um so let me just read this and if if
anything doesn't make sense >> discussion both 100% certain you've invested in this >> well I just donation >> um I was just asking the county attorney if there's three votes should I abstain it but he you know it's so minuscule
compared to the cost >> based on based on the description that the commissioner has given me that any any [clears throat] you know the standard is special private gain or loss and the return or is highly speculative
in this case based on what I've been told. Um, Commissioner can abstain in an abundance of caution if she wishes to >> and if I could add um Mr. Mariano, even if you would like to invest, we have as
small from $100 can invest. We are still fundraising and everyone here in Pasco County as well as the state of Florida has the opportunity to invest in this production and I will
say the ones who have I my hats go off to them. My heart goes out to them. They are going to be the greatest part of telling our Florida story, our county story, our citrus industry, which is our history that I
see going away here in Date City. There aren't even monuments to showcase who we once were here in Date City. We owned the two, we housed the two largest citrus concentrate plants here in the
world were here in Date City. I don't see any monuments to celebrate those, but I do see people contributing to this production that is going to um show who we are here in the city in this county as well to this state
because I heard about your investment from a few months back. You told me this is a great thing, etc., etc. Other people invested. Well, to me, there's a conflict there. Number one, uh I haven't heard from you, Kathleen. By the way, you got an awesome daughter. mentioned Josie yet, but what a great girl you've you've raised right here in date city,
so you should be proud of her as well. >> Thank you, Jack. >> But I have to say since being the development council, Adam Johnson is here, so may we may bring him up. But at one point we had a discussion about all the hotel room night rates we try to generate as well. And I'm asking for
money these groups that bring in mentions to go instead of just a $60,000 number to go bring in you know whatever the number is whether bring in heads and events treat them the same way they're bringing sports events. And he's telling
me he doesn't have the budget. So I'm hesitant to just say we can go do it find a way. And then the back stop is if that doesn't cover it because we don't want to go to we just spent $3 million on that jungle we made too quickly before going to terms to go buy that
contract from the wire sports ranch that I want to make sure we've got the money in place and if we don't have the money in place we need to be ready just had a governor ripping us apart about spending too much money even though I don't think we have all the spend deal with the growth we've had but I want to have that
discussion with Adam Thomas and we're going to pull from that source to go forward to put not then have a discussion to where the money is going to come from etc. Now you want to move right now. So it's 1210 just about or we can bring it back to the meeting. It should be a move show meeting today. But
I think it's worthy of a discussion. This is a big move and whether the whether we look at from having the money or not property taxes if we need to. I think it's worthy of more discussion is
phenomenal. I'm a big fan and I know Commissioner Oakley Handy probably the movie Taylor 1883 and all the others probably drafted but I think it's worthy of a discussion rather than a rash move which I've seen us make before and have consequences. So if the vote wouldn't mind I think we delay until after the
public hearings today and have it should be a should be a big meeting. I think we should bring back another time after we're sure that we can do what we like to do and if we want to bring back target but so be it. But literally if I have this discussion about things that are solid and really going to happen
great but this is a longer term thing and again Kathleen I'm just hearing about it quickly from you what I'm hearing. So, I share your enthusiasm, your excitement. I just want to make sure the money's there, where the money's coming from, and all the pressure we're facing with state government talk about ripping our tax
base away to where we are exactly. And if I don't have the money in ter I got to find a way, you're probably going to say yes. >> Okay. And if I could say the reason you're hearing so quickly from me is because we started this project a year ago. Um, in the industry, they are in
need of content. This is the greatest timing in the industry to get our story out. So, we are rushing to get it out and we are very blessed to have the support. Um, Hillsboro County um their
um county has given us 500,000 towards our production which everything is going on film and for this production. The reason um we have the heads and beds there because that's our headquarter, but having the headquarters centrally in
Hillsboro County, the purpose was so we could film within an hour radius and not uproot people in the industry. That um lady who does the hair, the cosmetology, the um makeup trailer that we had, all
of these people came in from other states. If we would have had to have moved them all over to follow us to every location that we went, then they would have left us. So, we had to bring them where we were planning to film. I
went out being that day city girl and in one day we have gone through six locations managers. And one day I brought our art departments with me and our um our director our our
second director I forget the terminology in the film industry because I'm doing that too. I've been doing this for one year and in one year we have raised money to make this compete with Little House in the Prairie. Little House in
the Prairie is the number one streaming show um out there right now on all the streaming services. They are doing a remake of Little House on the Prairie. We already have captured because we have one of the actors that was on Little
House on the Prairie that has not come out yet. And the mother of that actor said, "I have never seen not even Little House on the Prairie has what y'all are showing here about your state." But back to me taking one day to grab the art team and our assistant director. I came
here and I brought them to Steve Melton's. I took them to our Pioneer Museum. I took them to Preserves and to Jack Vogals and to Mark Barl's. And we are filming one hour from Tampa. We were
already based in Tampa. So we are here. Our other money from heads and beds have gone here into this county. Not only that, but we had someone have an accident leaving the Piner Museum. They got their car stuck.
>> Diane Hiler got her car stuck on the railroad traffic because the infrastructure is not great here in our county. And there is a little concrete pad that you can hardly see in the dark to drive across the railroad tracks. She
got her car stuck in the railroad tracks and totally ripped out the underneath of her vehicle. She is going to CSX to get our infrastructure fixed and paid by them. So, there are so many things that we are doing to help. I don't mean to
sound so passionate. I I'm gushing whatever I am. Um I I am I have been just excited for my goal here conversation to get the board's take on a matter and see where we land and how
we do the funding and all that stuff. So as I said if I didn't get the same conversation that Adam and I were here at going two three months ago back and forth about the monies etc etc says we don't have it. That's $60,000 over. So
from that to go to T50 is a big number. And again, I'm scared I'm scared of the governor just coming to Pasco County saying how we're going to cut everything and we're going to keep pushing property tax which will be devastating to us. So I am comfortable if the voters's okay. I'm going to meet with Michael, Adam, and we're going to talk beforehand to
see if there are funds available. I'm comfortable to bring it back this afternoon so we don't boot you up for >> but give us the time to make sure the money's in place before we take a step. I think it's a responsible thing to do with the taxpayer money and the tourism. >> Thank you so much. And I will say we are
making the decision of where we're going to film next year and I know other counties have offered money for us to go. We have filmed here and I am still pushing for our studio to be in Dayton City, Florida. We can work on that type of too. But let's go.
>> Thank you so much. Part: 2
I mean apparently the fire up there opposition to it. Normal people approve [clears throat] publication of the hearing of this matter >> 2026. This is in emergence by P County border county commissioners amending the path
county land development code for the purposes of parking or stoational vehicles. Um this comes here with recommendation to continue the attitude of August 25, 2026 1:30 p.m. I see heard
this continu say >> I public hearings of the hearing of this matter for a previous board meeting on July 14th, 2026 or was continued to today.
>> Motion continue. >> All say I >> any opposent agenda county attorney. >> Uh there are two resounding agendas regular and consent. It's like we only have consent today and staff will send each application on the board of county
commission to the board of county commissioners. the staff for planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation. If the Stanford Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application,
the applicant will be given five minutes. The opposition will be either three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant given minutes. Any individual disagreeing with staff from planning commission recommendation or
anyone wishing to object to any conditioning may at this time request be pulled. in the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during other [clears throat] liveable
zoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and motive. If you wish to submit to any petition, please give your name and address and whether or not you for the record. These are quite judicial public hearings. The law in Florida is your public support or opposition of an
application for the sport to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria and development. Mr. Clark, would you like to spread the phone again? >> I will. At this time, if there is anyone anticipating giving us testimony in any
of the reasoning matters, please rise. Once again, if you think you might, just please rise. Raise your right hand. Do each of you swear affirm that the testimony you will give in these matters is the truth. So, hug your guts. >> Thank you. If you come when you come
forward to present, please give your name and address for the record as the county attorney outlined and also acknowledge that you were SC. Okay. Item P32, we have proof of publication in the March 25th, 2026
edition of the Temp Bay Times supplemented by uh cert certification of mailings and site postings u for the May 5th, 2026 board meeting was continued to today
E260033 time amendment in the name of CPAS2501 FL Cal providing for transmitt of a cover policy flu 7134 Palmet Bridge. Uh this
you recommendation to authorize the transmitt of the post amendment to the department of commerce, board of commerce and other reviewing agencies that there is a participation if so desire. Does anyone in the audience here speak opposition to this 32?
They're doing online P33 to approve publication Tampa Bay April 1st, 2026 supplemented by an affidavit to serve by postings and P33 PD 26 0356 this comprehensive plan
amendment and CPA 2513 the billo branch providing for transparency plan text amendment to G flu 6 Ps to amend tables PH-2 2 U residential conversion chart in PH-3 U residential conversion chart and a text
amendment to go 6 classifications village mixed use two let's go to you with recommendation to authorize transmitt government department of commerce floor of commerce and other union agencies and there is a presentation if so desired
>> I have a question >> sure >> um on this one if I'm not mistaken. Can you put up the map? >> Yeah. >> 34. We have publication April 1st, 202.6 edition time supplemented by an certif.
This is a substantial modification of an MPU. the name of Evans C1 Incorporated with a substantial modification to the Evans C1 MPU to increase the non-residential uses from 82,000 ft to 94,40
ft at approximately 52.08 08 acres located in the village of Pasadena Hills within village C on the north side of Mab Road approximately 1 and 1/4 mile east curly accepts you with a recommendation to approve the proposed substantial modification to the MD
subject to the attached conditions of approval and [snorts] there is a presentation if so desire >> Mr. Mr. Chairman, this is the one I had a question on the end 33. Um, is there anyone in the eyes in office 33?
>> Is there anyone online? >> No one online. No one second. >> So, I have a motion to approve agenda P32 and 33. >> All in favor say I. >> I. in P34.
>> Um, >> yeah. Can you and maybe this isn't where it happens, but and I I did have a meeting on this and I'm sorry I don't have my notes on particulars, but I met with the county administrator yesterday and um Oh, is that it? Wait, which is
the one that has Oh, shoot. I might have messed up. which is the one that we talked about with the commercial that we that was going to look like those pictures. What is that one? Okay. Can and maybe this isn't the right place,
but I want to make sure that the development pattern is what we want on what's the road that's going north south. >> So, um you showed me a picture and you showed me a picture. Um, can you put
that picture up? >> Development. >> It is. I just didn't remember. >> Fast forward. I'm going to fast forward to here. >> So, and actually >> that um
a little bit of context. Uh, originally this MPD was approved 145 multif family dwelling units and some support commercial. They came to staff with their original submitt wanting to increase the multif family to 300 dwelling units from the 145. And in working with staff, they eliminated the
multif family component entirely in lie of more commercial retail gear. And so what we did um with the applicant was to make this a more walkable downtown village area. This is the area where we're reducing the handcart road to typical section the comprehensive plan
originally contemplated. Yes, ma'am. But you're telling me you took out residential. >> Yes, ma'am. >> But that's what's that's what's in this picture. >> So this this picture is entirely non-residential on the other side of hand. >> No, that's ver that's vertical mixed use
>> section which is from your own company. >> It's not is that not commercial and retail on the bottom and vertical mixed use on the top. >> Sure. So that picture right there for the 82A, that's just a picture of the cross-section for the village to pass the hills comprehensive plan. So it's
meant to show the width of the road as well as the pedestrian infrastructure and how the building should form on it. It's not necessarily trying to indicate a specific use in the cross-section. And if I was to the area immediately adjacent to this project on Hankar Road
um the area here this is where um staff is anticipating the multif family integration and rear loaded town products to go on the opposite side here. I I think it's disingenuous to show me
that picture like that's what we're going to get. But when I look when I look at this and I I I get that the buildings are pulled up to Clinton, but Clinton is is not necessarily a road that you're going to have a lot of pedestrian. It's not where you would want to hang out, right? You would want
to hang out on handcart. >> Exactly. And that's why we reduced the cross-section from 142 to 82 feet width here. What the comprehensive plan is trying to show is what can be accomplished with the smaller typical section. But if we go back to the binding plan, >> this development pattern, you're going to get plop and drop.
>> So, >> it's not blocks. >> So, the the red the red lots there that don't have a building footprint on them, that is commercial development as well. >> Yeah, I get it. But what kind of commercial development? >> I mean, that was that,
>> right? I mean, >> so we do our conditions of approval because we didn't show the building footprint do force the buildings on either side of Ankar to be up along the road as is shown at the typical. >> Are they going to have parking lots surrounding them? >> Is condition to be to the side and rear
the building as a part of this approval much like indicated on the southern piece. They just didn't have any users for the building footprints within the red lots for the commercial users. that the conditions of approval um mandate the requirement that the builders be up on the road and that the parking be shielded.
>> I would rather have given them the residential and let them put it up above and um had more customers for the restaurants and shops that we would hope would be downstairs. But again, but now
we're getting away from what we were trying to make VOPA special about. We just had this workshop. >> I mean, do y'all see what I'm talking about? >> I see what you're saying. >> I mean, is that gonna be a McDonald's
and a Burger King and a Taco Bell? >> Residentials on the long line. Plus, it goes along the upper part of the roadway with a mixed use. >> I'm just saying I don't want to see a Taco Bell, a Burger King, and a McDonald's in downtown VOPA.
To me, that's the pattern we're setting up here. Unless I'm missing. Yeah, they may have the parking lot on the back road, but you turn left to get in to the to the fast food. It's just I just want to be sure that's
not what we >> Let's hear a little bit more presentation from staff unless staff from the applicant. >> Sure. We'll let the applicant speak to his end user since that appears. >> Good afternoon Joel to Palm land use consultant for Evans Properties. the
land owner. Uh, Commissioner, I appreciate your comments. We actually did discuss this when we had our 101 preview with you. Uh, so I'll try to summarize what u what we've [clears throat] explained. Um, at this point in time, we have absolutely zero
users [clears throat] for the project. Therefore, we cannot draw a specific user site plan that tells you the users. So that's number one. Number two, uh what we have agreed to do the cause of
that um and and let me start off by saying that giving up these apartments and increasing commercial we understood was something that you actually wanted us to would be happy with us doing and we're happy to do that at this location
which is probably one of the best commercial locations at BOP. The what we agreed to do to get you comfortable with this is as you can see the portion of the project that is fronting directly on McCabe. We
specifically committed to that building layout to give you exactly what you want the building frontage on Mave and Headart centralized parking. We're committing to that there because even though we have no idea what users will be in those buildings,
uh we further have agreed and and it's it's a little confusing because we agreed on a specific crosssection with the county engineer and PDE a specific cross-section for Hancoart going north
for the specific reason we're addressing. We did not like the big wide boulevard crosssection that would not be pedestrian friendly because we want to integrate fully integrate the eastern commercial with western commercial and
we want it to be an integrated quote main street development. So that section of handcart is intended to become the main street for this project where where in fact we have exactly what you're asking for. Now
what's causing the confusion is that in the adopted BOP comp plan all of these various types of crosssections have illustrations and renderings that you embedded in your comp plan. And when we have to attach the specific crosssection
that we're agreeing to, we have to attach that picture from your own complex. So the picture you don't like is the picture is the picture you adopted in your comp plan. It is not our plan. >> I like that picture. That's what I want.
Well, as as applied here, as Will was saying, the material part of that reference is to define the rideway width in the specific crosssection so that we can make sure this is pedestrian friendly. What we in fact, if you then read all the conditions, what we're
required to construct along that frontage on each side is retail. And we are required to have the storefronts on the main street. We're required to make it pedestrian friendly. required to put the parking behind it just as you want.
So, so even though we don't have specific uses, you're going to have exactly the form and and let me just say one additional thing which we did discuss and I've said this at several public hearings when BP Evans Properties
and the Galvin Company collectively own or control over 90% of the currently entitled retail land within VOP. just those two owners. They both have voluntarily agreed and I'm
helping them do this with planning development and economic growth. We are collaboratively working on retail design guidelines which you have never had. We have 82,000 square feet of retail approved for this property today and 145
apartments that we have no design requirements and no use requirements and no main street requirements. I mean, we can build a project there with none of this, but Evans is voluntarily agreeing to not only help formulate these proposed retail design guidelines, which
we intend that back to you before the end of this calendar year, hopefully for the board to adopt and embed in VOP, so they apply to all properties in BOP. And we've agreed in these conditions that whatever comes out of that board of
approval later this year, this MQD is going to be bound by now. So we're willing to abide by your future control of the design guidelines and we're going to help you try to come up with those. So that's why we're going forward with this. We really prefer to have more
commercial here at this tremendous corner and we think we've given you in the conditions we've given you 100% control over what that future retail is going to look like. We simply I could we could draw you a plan today and it would
it would not be the plan. It can't be the plan when you don't have the users. >> Can I can I say that I don't you know when when you think of apartment complexes or multif family the only way you think about it in the in the context in the county right now is the way we
have had these national apartment builders come in and build. But there are many other ways, especially in this kind of community, to bring in multif family that makes it um woven into the street structure and uh town homes,
lofts above the buildings, um ADUs. So, so when when when I say multif family, it doesn't mean 300 apartments that have no context to anything around. Um, but I don't I would
prefer if you don't take out the ability for someone to come in here and put some kind of housing above the shops >> because that makes the shops more viable if they're done right. >> And we we did discuss this. We have retained that right. If you look at these conditions, we have retained the
right to do vertical mixed use in the conditions >> and we have an exchange matrix that allows us to do that. We we agree if we get a capital investor who's willing to because you can't just wish those projects to happen. You can't just draw a picture of the project. You actually
have to raise money from someone who's in the business that thinks that they can build and market and rent those units. And if we find that person, it would be silly for us to not do that deal. So, we have retained the right to do vertical mixed use, but we're obligated to do that ground floor retail
on both sides of that main street no matter what. >> So, what I what I want to know is can that be a Burger King and McDonald's and a taco? >> Well, let's discuss the use thing. Here's here's the problem with what you want.
The problem is your adopted VOP regulations do not allow you to say I don't want a Burger King at Taco Bell McDonald's. Okay? You don't have that legal power. You were never given that planning power and your documents don't.
You are allowed to control You are allowed to control land design and building design. And we're going to go through that process, but there is nothing presently in my opinion, and I helped write the documents and we've stood here for 20 years talking about
it. There is nothing in the BOP documents that you could just decide one morning that you don't like Taco Bell or you like McDonald's, but not Burger King. You just you don't have that legal power under a zoning framework. You've never had it in the state of Florida or
almost anywhere else. No. >> Terry, were you going to say something? >> That's not to say we intended. >> That's not a main street. That's that's you know that's not the character of something. >> I understand it's not but you only have the authority that you are provided in
your own documents. >> You you have the ability to say we won't we we won't put those in. But let me ask >> and economic growth. Uh Joel is right there in terms of like limiting land use and he is right that uh you can control
the site design. So one way that these types of users can be mitigated is by designing and locating their drive-through facilities at the right locations. So if if you want to mitigate the QSMR, the quick service restaurants
that typically have drive-throughs, then a condition of approval could be uh developed that says, you know, drive-throughs should only be or shall only be to the rear or sides of buildings that shall not wrap around and >> or shall not be there not be any
drive-throughs. I mean that's not what we that's >> not that's not a business that's not a regulation of the aim of the business. It's a regulation of the design of property >> and and I s I suggest that if the
commission as a whole decides to go that direction then obviously that's something you would need to impose not on one approval when you've got a dozen others already wrong >> that would be correct that is something that would have to be discussed in the context of an overall regulatory
requirement for BOP or whatever area you're regulating so that would be and again Right. Well, and we've talked about that. For example, are you really not going to allow a Costco or Sam's Club anywhere in
or around VOP and require 40,000 residents to drive to Wesley Chapel to go to those things? >> No, I think they can be right outside the boundary. But that's but see that's my that's my point and that's part of what we're
we're looking at with PDEG in this global view. We're going to be talking about certain types of uses proposed locations for certain types of uses. Where would these things be best suited to provide the needs of the residents
but without unnecessarily intruding on what was intended to be the the village design concept. So, we're not at odds with you on any of this. I'm just saying that it has to be done on a global basis through this process we're working on the next few months. We've talked about
workshopping those ideas with you obviously before we waste time drafting regulations because we've got to get a consensus among you. So we're in tune with that, but it really needs to be done on a global basis because everyone needs to abide by the same regulations
or else any one property owners had a huge disadvantage. >> And Joel, we had a wonderful workshop last week on DO and was it filmed? >> So that might be something that you want to look at. I know Clark Clark was there.
>> Um I was in big Cedar Lodge playing golf. I apologize. [laughter] Not not really. We we understand the point, but I guess what I'm trying to say is for this particular approval, we honestly believe that we're bringing you what we've heard
from you in the last year or two that you wanted and we're committing to abide by whatever those design regulations are that come out of the our written conditions say that. So, do you guys um would you be with me on the that we
don't want that kind of drive-thrus in here? I mean, this should be walkable, local. When you do that, you take out the mom and pop opportunity to have great restaurants and bakeries and coffee shops and they can't they don't
they can't compete. And and I think that's the flavor that we want from DOP. You're going to have 40,000 just being doubles. You're going to have 40,000 residents that can't have Starbucks, a Dunkin' Donuts, or another drive-thru
service in 20 square miles. I I don't understand. I think this is something that you >> I don't know how you >> You might want to think through before you just jump. Well, that's all I'm saying. >> I mean, I'm not opposed to Starbucks. Okay, come on. Update.
>> Good afternoon. David Egle, planning and economic development director. Um, just to give the board some context and background, we asked the Galvin Companies in the Evans Group to come in and work with us. We are working on drafting new design standards for BOP.
And this was a pre-existing application. The applicant has agreed to abide by our our our new design standards. They're going to be stakeholder driven as well as board driven. And we will be back. But the applicant is willing to uh to
work with us in perfecting these design standards. >> But David, they could you could still have a three or fast food restaurants in a row like what we've done to 54 just pulled up to the street >> because that's not a >> they were already entitled to allow that and we
>> Well, I'm just wondering if they've agreed not to put any in because we said yesterday we don't or last week we don't want any drive-throughs that >> I think in the villa centers. is voluntarily >> free to work with us and come up with a
consensus that work done >> if there's no um drivethrus allowed then and and you pass that then there's no >> can you can you legally say coffee shop but nothing else I don't know if we if we were able to get an
agreement that we wouldn't have um certain kinds of drive can you discriminate No. >> Yeah. See, I I don't think you can do that. >> So, I mean, it's your it's your side of the county. You can screw it up like 54 if you want
to or you can make, you know, >> and this is 12,000 square foot increase. >> They've already got 60 or 82,000 square feet and multif family. They're asking to to get [clears throat] rid of the multif family.
>> I don't think that's a good idea. I mean, we just saw that in that bill. I do >> you want an apartment complex? That's what >> I did not say apartment complex, >> but that's what they're giving up. Joel,
I've already said to you that they they reserve the right >> to do vertical mix >> to do vertical mixed use. >> And and and also uh board members, we view BOP as under entitled for commercial. overweight residential. So we call them
in to >> sing family residential. >> Yes. >> Not multif family res. >> You're correct. Most of the uptake is single family to >> there's not enough >> commercial there regardless of the type of residential there. When I look at this application I'm looking at as you
say 12,000 plus square feet. We got to do all this for that. I'm wondering are you asking for enough corrosion? do your restaurant? >> That's a very good question. The answer is yes, we do ultimately, but right now
we're trying not to be pigs because village C only has a specific aotment and we've committed to Galvin that we'll leave the rest of this on the table for what they have on the south side of McCain. But as part of >> the big village, >> yeah, that's part of the same big
village. But as part of this overview we're doing with Mr. Engel and his team, part of that analysis is looking at the quantities of commercial. And I believe we're going to propose to you as part of this update that we in fact increase the
total square footage of commercial allowed in certain villages and certainly village C is one of those because of its location. So the short answer is we will be asking in that update later this year to increase the total allowable onc
which time we then will ask for a partial allocation of that back here >> not big box >> into theirs. Well once again I thought you wanted Sam's Club if it was across the street. >> Not big box in VP. Let's go the discussion. >> That's 301. That's 52. That's 54. That's
not a walkable village. How far are you willing to drive to one of those if you live in BOP? >> I I I get my paper towel at Publix. I don't have to drive to Costco. >> Well, there are other people that don't do that. >> Well, they don't all shop with you.
>> I think they'll trade having a great place to live than live in >> Well, I I submit that that's another discussion for another day as part of this global overview. And we think that we're going to be able to identify some locations
where those would work and not offend your sense of the village structure and yet be of service to your future constituents who are going to live in the open. But we are going to ultimately ask for more when it's available in village C if you decide to up the the
square footage. >> So again my first looking this was small small used to go through this whole process. So I'd like to say to you as you're coming forward from what you added if you come across someone who wants to build this big office complex and what comes to mind is in Wesley Chapel the one the gentleman has built a
couple around the area they're all full and sold so you have to get you in the introduction of that gentleman but if he wants to build an office complex there I don't want that to limit you doing other things you want to do as well >> right and we did talk in the one-off meeting about that and and we committed
to you and I think to other individual commissioners we actually think Given the toco here, this is the highest one of the highest points of view. The vista to the northwest over St. Leo is spectacular here. We
think long term that a taller structure on the site, whether it's, you know, boutique hotel with rooftop bar and restaurant, whether it's office building and some purchase residences in a vertical configuration. We think that
this has great potential for high-end product. We have tremendous slope going to the northeast. We can do an outdoor amphitheater on that slope for outdoor events. This this property, even though it's only 52 acres, has tremendous potential.
Uh and we just don't want to get hamstrung to the point that if we have an idea like Commissioner Mariano is saying, we come back and say, "Hey, we've got a chance to really do something. Can we get more square footage?" Uh but right now there simply isn't enough available in village C for
us to ask for more without unfairly limiting our code developer. We're not we're not going to do that to them at this point. >> I think we're allowed to do >> up to one >> 75. So it's
>> well that could be changed in the global update. See, right now we're bound I mean, we have to live with what the documents say until you change the document. But that's a good point. That's something we can put on our to-do list in this update to see if you're willing to go higher.
>> I agree with you. As long as we can park the need, as long as we can park the need, why why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you build the space? I know this in US 19 we've had a floor ratio so low even though we put a no height restriction on it because the floor rate area ratio was
so low for the past 18 years after this board voted to increase the height we couldn't do it because the floor area ratio so it's an issue I mean it hasn't been addressed yet and needs to get addressed so David if you would >> I just sent you a picture can you can you show me >> thank you commissioner and that was a
good point about the 75 f it doesn't really fit for these uh village centers in BOP >> in the uh in the case of US9 you're right unrestricted height we did have a very strict F there um about I think it's 2022 Tyreek can you correct me if
I'm wrong we elevated it to three three times F which would give you about a 15 and 18 story building so that's currently and we're now exploring going to a a five times F and we're incorporating that in our our land use analysis for the corridor where we are
going to be initiating a redevelopment study for the West Market area 19 and that will be addressed, sir. Thank you, >> Jean. I just sent you a picture. >> Uh I'm not sure that this is the place that you would want a big box like a
Sam's or something like that in this particular area because you're so close to Zephras and you're really not that far from West Chapel at this point. But if you live where I do in north of Blandon on 75, we need a
Home Depot or Lowe's or some other big box that we can get to without having to drive 15 miles to get there. problem we have now is we don't have the infrastructure to handle the traffic because of all the growth we've got and
people are having to travel longer distance to get to what they need for their households and [clears throat] we've got to pay attention to that but I don't mean to put a big box right behind another big box on 301 handcart road so
uh we need to pay attention to where these sis are located >> um what I'm showing in this picture. >> I I'm not sure if it's this one. Um but um because one of these is I think this is the one that's the accessibility or senior housing. This is a this is
something like what one of the hotels looks like in downtown Norton Commons. So above the retail and I don't think this is it. I think it was a white building. It looks has a little more architecture detail than this. It's a hotel. It's it's not a
Holiday Inn or you know the parking's behind this. It's a it's a touchless no no lobby hotel kind of like a VRBO or Airbnb, but it's a hotel and you you book it online. You unlock the door when
you check in and um when you leave they come and clean it. I mean it's it's woven right to the community. Um then I want to show you this one. This is a um senior senior
Gina set. You having all right that went to you. Well, that's showing what the main street is. Um I'm not even sure if that's main street. That might be across the street, but hopefully you get it again. But anyway,
the um >> Mr. I think >> that could be it right there on the corner. The senior is that it on the corner? Yeah, >> that that above is senior housing. >> No, it's to the right, man. >> Right. Right there. The three story. >> That that that brick building on the
right. That's it. I think those were the apartments actually. Those are apartments there. >> Yep. No, I think those are the apartments. I took a picture, but that's a apartment comp those are that's multif family woven into a a walkable downtown
that doesn't look like the big apartment complexes that we get that are don't fit in a neighborhood like this. I'm saying you can get multif family in a community like like this neighborhood that they're trying to
build with with those kind of structures. Jana, did you get my email? >> Yeah, that's the senior housing complex. >> And if someone wants to build that on this property, we would be ecstatic to have that >> come with me next year. And you can meet
all kinds of developers this kind of stuff. >> You're going to build it for us? Oh, I'll introduce you to to people who build it. We may we may send send some names to you, but they they want to have the framework done so they don't have to go through variance after variance after variance to try and do really good
quality development like we're trying to do here. >> Like we had to do a long le every single thing we did was a varian okay point of view. But I'm going to say if we can get something a little more commercial, more elevated up and create jobs so people aren't driving down south to work somewhere else.
>> All shops and restaurants underneath. There's >> I just thought about multi story with office complex. That's where I want to be. >> Go back to that picture. This is right downtown. You have town homes and single family. Go back to where you just were on the map.
Um, you were behind the street. I don't know how you did it. put what you don't want. Um, you you've lost the spot that you brought. But these are the homes that right right down the street from all those commercial buildings and offices.
>> He's got a flexibility to do that if he chose to >> only if the only if the the details are right. >> He's got the rights right not to do so. That's the back. >> That was crazy. >> That that's hidden from view. That's where you obviously they need to redo
it, but that's that's um >> the design. >> The parking is in the back and the front is absolutely lovely. That's the senior housing. >> That's what I want to say right there. >> Anything else?
com. >> Anyone here from the public speak? >> No one online. No one post to the board. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Any opposed?
Motion passes. Okay. the agendas today. Now we're going to go back to Commissioner Wman. >> Uh yes, I'm done. >> Thanks, sir. >> Um I Oh, I have some um
Gina did. Okay. I attended the steps of recovery opening. These are some pictures of what the inside looks like. Quite quite a wonderful facility. Um I attended oh the sneaker for in Tampa where they highlight wonderful athletic
that they give awards for athletics sports but they also um lift up some young people who have overcome incredible accomplishments. So I think Adam's still here. Adam was there. But a great
event, but they never introduced Pasco County Commissioners that are there. Three years in a row I've gone and they introduce all the other commissioners. I don't I don't know what it is about us. All right. Um yeah, I Well, it's it's now um funded by
Nike and it's pretty cool. It's a great event if you get a chance to go. We had our 50th um career discovery boot camp and um this is our master trainer with a donated robot that we have. Um that's that's awesome that the students are
getting to learn all about robotics. I have another picture. Um I don't know how many were in that camp. I know it was full. Where's the other picture with all the the people in it sitting there? We had I don't know 60 guests there.
Um, nope. That's not a skills. I guess Katie just picked out one picture of all the pictures I sent. Um, but this for the first time ever. Um, I think that um, everybody in the
boot camp got a second interview which is really good. And uh, people from all different walks of life. We we had a gentleman who and his son who lived at Betal Ministries um go through the programs and um and then some that that
uh might have had a college degree and uh then they went through Pasco County Utilities was a big part of it and I think they're going to get some great candidates. So, uh let's see what else. Think that's it for me. Oh, no. I have
some pictures of a land member. know the ones I just sent you there. Don't go so fast. These are some pictures from the set of a land remember that filmed here in Pasco County. Um that's the that's Todd who's the
director there. Um and Zeke and Emma. Zeke as the little boy. You guys have all read the book, I hope. And um they said he he was a he was a
rodeo star but had never acted. And and out of a casting call of a thousand young men, they picked up having someone who had acting skills but had never done roping and writing, they went with a roping and ri writing young man and they
sent him to LA to learn how to act. And they said he's going to be a breakout star. So very cool. Okay, next picture. See, they're getting they're getting stuck in the swamp there. >> No, I No. Okay. No, that that came from
um Kathleen. This is Is this on on Steve Mountain's property? >> Pioneer museum >> or is this the uh >> That's the museum. >> You think that's the museum? >> Yeah. >> Is that at the Pioneer? Okay. because I
that's not the the general store, is it? >> No, no, it didn't have that hill there. But anyway, this is showcasing um the Pioneer Museum. Look how beautiful that is when you take out all the filming stuff. Okay, another picture. Um this is
the slave training. These these are local kids except for one that's a well-known, you know, accomplished actor, but these are local kids who got to be in the in the movie. This is a sad part of our, you know, our history, but this is, these are young, young boys being sold at an auction, which was
actually very tough to watch when I was there, right? Um, this is uh where was this filmed? Well, this was filmed here in Pasco County as well. I think that's what's
um Skillet, right? Another Thought I had more picture there. I mean, isn't that beautiful? That's an untouched up picture of Pasco County. So, I'm very excited for
what it can do for us. I'm sorry that I don't have any beautiful pictures from the Barfield Ranch, which blew my mind when I went out there. The most beautiful oak trees I've ever seen in my life. So, okay, I'm done.
>> All right. Well, some of my slides are very similar. So, yeah. So, this is St. Vincent's pairs. All right. Next one. Steps to recovery.
And then I um attended the teacher referendum kickoff. Currently, this is in place. And if it's not passed again by the voters, employees will lose about 12% of their income. So teachers will see about a $6,000 decrease in their
salary. So um just came to support the teachers. And then we had the Moon Lake pop up and we fed 236 residents and a shout out to Connor. >> It was not there. Oh, he came to help.
And then um Osiah from Repres. But uh we had a great a huge turnout. it the line just kept going and going and going. So, and they were all so thankful we were there. And of course, P and Paul and um we also have a birthday. It's
Pam's birthday. Well, >> sing. >> I'm not singing just to protect you. >> Happy birthday to you. >> [clears throat] >> Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday,
dear. >> Happy birthday to you. Here, I'll share with you. >> I have a few things here with me. First and foremost, in concurrence with the recommendation of
the um fire chief, uh we are intending to lift the burn ban. We've achieved enough rainfall uh and doing so uh we'll be in a good position to lift without [clears throat] the concern of choice in the future. So that'll be going out uh
today. Secondly, um with regards to your local provider participation, uh fund, um we I need to um ask you in order to uh we need to make some changes to that ordinance and I'm
just looking for a waiver of the introduction requirement that u uh usually requires on new ordinances. So, it's introducing an amendment to the local pro local sorry, I need a waiver and uh here's here's what I need. Thank you. Uh the commission introduction the
ordinance the local provider participation fund ordinance was changing federal law through the one big beautiful bill act and we'll be bringing this amendment forward at the 616 2026 board meeting. Thanks [clears throat] J. This is exactly fine. >> This is the local vital one. It's the
one where the hospitals >> Oh, yeah. >> I just need a motion to >> say I >> I >> the uh the other the the meteor topic and I'd
like David Engel to to come up to to support on this. Um our our our team has been leaning forward as it as it comes uh to deal with data centers. As we know that this is a a national issue that has a lot of implications on not only our our infrastructure but also our natural
resources and our land development code provisions right now don't really regulate the use of data centers. Right? that we we have the term data processing that that exists there but that originates from a zoning code back when Harold you were on this um so so data
centers aren't really identified as use we have concerns obviously right infrastructure and utility capacity which includes electricity demand water consumption wastewater treatment capacity as well as environmental concerns which include but are not limited to noise and light pollution so
in in conjunction with discussions with Jeff's team. Uh we are requesting that that the board provide us with with formal direction uh for us to go ahead and propose a 12-month moratorum on data centers so that way we can conduct a comprehensive evaluation of these
impacts and identify any deficiencies in our existing zoning regulations. During that moratorum period, our planning department will research best practices for the regulation of data centers by examining approaches used in jurisdictions across the nation and reviewing relevant white papers and
academic literature. >> That language >> wait sorry. So I talked to uh David Lambert from with Lakuchi about this issue uh coming forward and he said that anything under 20 megawatts was not an issue
whatsoever. Is that going to be part of this wood a moratory or is it separate from it? Oh, Commissioner David Engel, Planning and Economic Development. Uh, it is in fact we're asking for it. No,
we we are considering the smaller types of data centers. Just give you some context here. This is a request for a temporary moratorium. We're not prohibiting or asking to prohibit forever data centers. So, um, going back about three and a half months, a guy
named Commissioner Mariano called me and says, "Hey, I'm up here with Sonia in Washington, you know, there's this the talk of the town is these data center." So, I said, "Well, you know, we we should really start addressing it internally." So, what we started doing, we did some preliminary research. uh we talked to some stakeholders and we
realized that the term data center is a cabinet of from 20 megawatt max out to hyperscalers that are taking up hundreds of acres and you know million square foot building with no jobs and no no revenue coming in and it's a heavy draw
in natural resources. So, uh, we realize we have to do some work. Now, we know that there are data centers that will be proposed here in the county that will support specific economic development driven projects for our local use. For example, Spiros, uh, it's a 16 million
square foot R&D and biotech facility. They will need some data center support because that's part of their necessary 21st century infrastructure to operate their their activities. So we want to allow those with certain conditions and
make sure that it doesn't isn't delotter to environment doesn't raise electric bills and that type of thing. And then there's always way to the hyper center which is not directly supporting Pasco business through our economic development plan. That would be another consideration. So what we'd like to do
is we'd like to to quickly and we hopefully we're not going to take the full year. We want to meet with our economic development people. Those that's the mafits. Those are the double branches that we have economic development agreements with with large millions of square feet of development
and see what they foresee in their future. And then we also want to do what what Mike Kbala had just indicated. We want to do a global analysis to be very careful and then come back with some recommendations to the board of county commissioners. There is um we do have a
proposal to get on the planning commissioner or their local planning agency agenda at their next meeting with an ordinance proposal. This will be a defining um defining ordinance modification where we're taking data processing centers and we're then we're
we're going to put that in an already permitted use bucket, but we want to define what a data center is. We have no definition and there's ambiguity in our code. Number two, there is a um there is a clause that a clause of necessity. If let's say Spiros came in uh two weeks
from now and they needed critically needed a data center and it was of the size and capacity that we could handle here successfully in the county with our electric providers and our water situation then uh it would give the the board the ability to uh go ahead and
approve that even though we have a temporary moratorum in place. So, we are that that that clause was drafted by our county attorney's office. We're really thankful that Mr. Blair helped us out with that. We have a meeting uh tomorrow just to kind of fine-tune that language,
but there will be a will be a clause of necessity in the proposed language. >> Well, I appreciate the u research you're doing going to do, etc. um let this provision in case we do have a ma type
situation could be someone else as well that we have the right to have the exception to that if we find out it's not going to affect energy [clears throat] water consumption so with that provision there I'm comfortable what you're trying to do but if you would maybe as you're getting these white things that are you kind of circulate with with us so we kind of
stay a breast as this is evolving I think it's in the past couple of weeks we've got a lot of emails and everything else to it so I can see the impetus to it but I also have heard from something the private sector to where it's not as bad as everybody's saying depending on the center that's going to come in etc. So that's right and and I and I and I
hear you commissioner and you know I saw a lot of these emails flooding in. We went in for a trickle. Now we have a deluge of these uh these emails and most of the people don't understand what Pasco is doing and what we're focused on. But I did send out an email to the all your legislative aids giving them
the context and framework of what's going on working on. And we will share our research library with the board if you'd like. Thank you. [clears throat] >> Um understand if you're just authorizing them to advertise overnights to adopt a
moratorium. Our recommendation is to have the broadest title that you can have. You can always pair that back so it gets so um but it's going to have to go through planning commission and then
it's going to come back to you. Thank you. Sure. I think [clears throat] obviously we're working on the definition of data centers that just run off air condition to keep cool smaller footprint and then the hypers scale.
I [clears throat] think it's important that we understandable data centers what areas they would be looking if they were to come to Pasco where they would land. Obviously, there'd be large plus land uh that it would be probably eyeballing, but I
think it'd be good if we take a proactive approach. That way, we know kind of uh where the big fish will want to go and then where the smaller fish would want to go. Um I think that would be helpful for us to understand. >> And and also there's an issue of
climate. Some of the hyperscalers may not be attracted to Pasco because of our uh tropical storm impact. So, we don't know, but we're going to find out what the market is bearing, where things can go, what are the consequences of this development, and report back to the
board. >> All in favor say I. >> I post. >> Thank you very much. And last item, we did just get notification through Florida Department of Emergency Management that we received a $4 million grant from FEMA for our
utility wastewater lift stations. So generator connections, which is great. So that's additional money that's getting pumped into the community that we don't have to spend on that makes our uh makes our collection system more resilient, which is great. Uh last item, I do have the TDT [clears throat]
uh numbers if wants to pick that back up. Um but stand ready to have a discussion. >> So I'm trying to short the discussion I need to get going. So as I told you I had to concern where was the money going to come from? Was there enough? Uh after talking with Mike Tourist development uh
Amy as well. I'm very confident that we have the money to go pay for this. I'm also confident that those concerned items be push back on I got to get taken care of as well to get more hotel beds. So I'm comfortable with it going from PDC. However, Mike's going to have to use it where we got to change our
ordinance. We're going to have to supplement it to the county regular tax revenue, but we can reimburse ourselves with TD TD later on. So, I want to talk. >> So, uh I would I would need a motion from the board. I'm happy to read this, but first and foremost, I'd like to give
a target suggest $250,000. That's in line with what P County, I believe, gave. You've heard that Billsboro County gave half a million. Um they do have specific fill bonds for that but it's it's really to the board. Uh if you give me a number
I'll comfortable I'll make I'll make the motion. I'm comfortable with with 250 and see where it goes and maybe we embark on a new successful adventure. I would like to read this motion and the board can accept it.
seconded if they like. Uh move to approve a $250,000 u expenditure and authorize the county administrator to execute an agreement with the production company subject to review by the clerk, controller, and county attorney in order to expedite
funding authorize the county administrator to cash flow the approved amount within the approved budgets in the general fund. Advertised for public hearing an ordinance amendment to amend section 102-190 Pasco County Code of Ordinances 2024
through 2028 strategic force development plan for action by the DCC with the intent of reimbursing the effective general fund. Second official made motion second motion. Um, and just
in an abundance of caution that somebody might consider a proposition to see if there's any public comment motion proposing it and anybody who asks would want to speak to it as a uh as an item
that wasn't on the agenda. >> So, no, I'll have the votes. >> If we don't, I'm I'm voting for it. I believe Commissioner Starky has said that that she's going to refuse an abundance.
All in favor say hi. >> I need a change. >> Oh. Oh, wait. No, I have. Sorry. >> Giving you the [laughter] >> All right. Anything else on that matter? >> Yes, sir. I'm done. >> Okay. County attorney's office will show
that as four and one extension, please. Uh I don't think I'll pass. >> I'll pass as well. We're thankful. Well, I'm going have to go to the next