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and happy holidays. Uh, >> okay. Hey, I'd like to call to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission 10:00 meeting for December 9th, 2025. At this time, silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones. And
we will rise for the invocation of the pledge. >> Good morning. >> Good morning. >> Merry Christmas to you all in case I don't see you between now and then. and thank you for allowing me to be here and to serve you all. Let's pray.
Oh, Father, we have come together again for another important meeting and another full agenda, Lord. And yet we have come together at a time that there are so many distractions with the holidays quickly approaching, all the
distractions of the things that we still need to do and prepare and all of those things, Lord. And so we ask that in our time together today that you help us to set those concerns aside and give us the
ability to focus on the agenda at hand so we're able to go through the agenda and successfully complete it as we need to. Lord and as we've gathered today we want to lift up a couple families. Lord, we want to lift up the family of Jesse
Cass, who is one of our volunteer firefighters. We thank you for his service and we just ask that you surround his family with your arms of love and comfort, particularly during the Christmas season. We also want to
lift up the family of Michael Karsski who is one of our HR employees, Lord. And I ask the same for them that you'll just in encircle them with your arms of love and comfort and just give them the ability to go through the holidays with
fond memories of their loved ones, Lord. So be with us now and during this time and prepare us for Christmas that it'll truly be a merry Christmas, a happy new year and we will always be reminded of
the true reason for the season. So thank you Lord for being with us today and I lift this in your name. Amen. >> Amen. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Um before we start today's meeting, I just want to um take a moment of silence for former commissioner Anne
Hildebrand, whose district actually I sit in now, and who was a mentor and a friend for many years. I think she served 29 years as county commission. I believe she was the first Republican woman elected in Pasco County, I think.
And um so for for all please moment of silence to remember Commissioner Hildbrand. Thank you. Okay. Today's a special meeting. Today we do our reorganization. And so I'm going to hand the gavvel over to our
clerk. >> U do we need to do roll call first? >> Oh yes, please. >> Okay, do roll call. >> Uh, District 1, Commissioner Oakley >> here. >> District two, Commissioner Weightman >> present. >> District four, Commissioner Joerger >> here. >> District five, Commissioner Mariano >> here. >> District three, Chairman Starky >> here.
>> And I'll gladly take that. >> There you go. >> You have the gavl, you have the power. Um, I will open up the floor for nominations for chair of the board of county commissioners. >> I nominate Commissioner Mariana. >> Okay, we have a nomination.
>> Okay, second. >> Okay, are there any other nominations for chair? >> Hearing none, I will close nominations and no vote is needed. So, congratulations. Thank you, chair. >> Okay. What is all right?
Wait, I need to make it official. Hold on now. >> It's like a shotgun blast. >> Nope. >> I'm the swing person. Sometimes I'm here and sometimes >> Have have fun, Commissioner Jagger.
>> Exactly. >> Well, thank my board members. Appreciate the recognition and uh the opportunity to be chairman >> and appreciate it. Thank you chair chairman Mayor and thank you chair Starky for this this last year as uh chairman. >> Thank you. I enjoyed it very much and I hope everyone
>> exciting >> a good year. >> Okay. Nomination now in order for the vice chair. >> I would like to uh nominate Commissioner Weightman for vice chair. >> Second. >> We got a nomination. I got two seconds and all good. Um
any other further nominations? All in favor for Commissioner W. Vice Chair. >> Hi. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you, team. >> Oh, >> we've vice chair today. >> Oh, yeah. Rules. >> Okay. So, we need a second vice chair.
>> Um, move for Commissioner Joerger for second vice chair. Second. >> Any other fir further nominations? >> Okay. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> So, chairman, may I? So what I learned recently with this second vice chair role, Commissioner Joerger, is if the
chair and vice chair are gone, you have delegation of signing authority. So you may get sporadic phone calls saying quick from the clerk, can you come to the office to sign paperwork? So it actually has a little something to it.
So anyway, okay. All right. Now is the time for public comment. Citizens give an opportunity to comment on any current or future agenda item coming before the board or any other business under the board's purview. >> Would anyone like to speak? >> Mr. Chair, I do have three individuals
signed up. One is uh for a resolution that's on consent. Uh do we want to pull that resolution during resolution time or would you like to do that now? >> Um let's pull the resolution. >> Okay. So, do we want it for the resolution or you want to do it now? We
um might as well do it during the public comment with that. We could pull it. I'm sure the board members have >> during consent >> something to say. Okay. >> Pull during consent. Okay. >> This needs to all be by the mic. >> Then um the first person that I have is Alan Rose followed by I think it's
Lealia Cluis. Could have gotten that wrong. Good morning. Alan Rose 10221 Hilltop Drive, Newport Richie. Today I'm just bringing more information forward about our waterways. Um, this is mainly on uh
storm water flooding and uh public health issues. Right now I'm following through with this uh because of what I experienced last year. Uh mosquito control benefit, public health will benefit. Right now, engineering for when we do
resoning and bring all this new construction up into our area, the engineers bring forward their designs. They bring forward their retention ponds and everything else that's required because it's over an impaired basin, what have you. But what they don't tell
you is that's not addressing a flooding issue. It's not addressing the water flow. And that's what's caused I I watched this and that's why I had to go digging. And I went to D and I went to SwiftMUT to figure this all out. And then I was directed back to locals and uh locals will tell you they have
engineer engineers handling storm water for their reszoning development. And the uh the engineers do a great job. It's a beautiful designs with retention ponds and everything else. They they they handle pollution issues so well yet they do not address the flow of water which
is not addressed causing upstream flooding and many other issues. They do comply with the EP needs yet cause many flooding issues. And I personally watched this last year as I watched Rocky Sink flow backwards and flood up into my neighborhood. And it it was
going to get worse and worse. There this there's more development schedule and it's been approved on Ridge Road and that's going to cause more flooding upstream. Just wanted to bring that forward to you. These are things we should keep be aware of because I didn't know and and you're thinking you see
these retention ponds and all of this approval that's gone through. It's approval for pollution. It's approval for D. It's not approval for your flooding. So, you're going to gain flooding as you reszone and harden the surrounding areas. Just wanted to bring that to you. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Lalia Cluis, is that correct? I do see that the item that you're here to speak on will be pulled during consent. >> Doesn't matter. >> That would be the only time to have the
opportunity to speak is now. >> What item if I get another copy of that consent of the consent agenda polls is like over there. I think Yeah, I took all my pictures. >> Good morning. Um, yeah, my name is
Claude Logan and my address is 1716 West Lemon Street in Tampa, Florida. And uh we are here for um the uh there's a an agenda memorandum
for Logan Outdoor Advertising regarding um conversion to digital and I just wanted to make some comments regarding the agenda memorandum. Um, to date, three outdoor advertising
companies have entered into the relocation and reconstruction agreement for quote unquote conversion to digital for a total of 106 bulletins. Um I we're we're wondering if we are held to a
higher standard of u scrutiny because um all six all of the 106 static bulletins from the three companies and uh were were they sufficiently investigated regarding the legal status
as to whether or not uh each was not subject to removal by their means. Um uh following the pre-application meeting required were all three companies deferred 9 months for required board of
county commissioner public meeting to consider application for a relocation and construction agreement. Um we we feel like we've been held to a higher standard because um the other companies
uh that I inquired with were not. Um we we don't know why we were def deferred. Um but the the intent of the ordinance is to ultimately reduce the total number of billboard bulletins in Pasco County.
If you uh now today approve um our request, this will remove a total of six bulletins. Um what the memorandum uh discussed the agenda memorandum
discussed was the uh bottom 50% of the requirement uh which is three uh bulletins. we um we have to add at our expense um three we have to remove three
additional bulletins. So if you approve this today, you will be approving for the removal of six bulletins um uh uh in accordance with the with the ordinance without any further compliance
issues and and any lingering u remaining legal controversy. It'll it'll all be over. >> We did everything. >> Yeah. We we've done everything we've done everything that we uh were required
to do. Um we don't know why the we we've been perplexed as to why this has been delayed. Was that three minutes? Okay. Okay. Thank you. Uh we don't comment during public comment, but I will tell you I will keep the item. I was going to pull it. I was going to not pull it
because I was happy with the explanation, but so you can hear the explanation. Um, I'll I'll I'll pull the item so you can hear at least the explanation. You won't be able to comment on it, but you can hear it. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you for the opportunity.
>> We have uh David Lambert and John McCarthy. >> Oh boy. >> Good morning, commissioners. And we have Ricky Guty, our district manager, and one Pasco with us as well today. The co-op returned an historic $24 million
in capital credits to our members this year. And uh the county's portion of it, as you can see, is $370,822. As your not forprofit electric co-op, we work every day tirelessly to invest in uh our communities. And uh we also
operate at an at cost basis. And this represents our your prorat a share of our margins. And we just want to thank you all uh for working with us. We want to thank the county staff. We work very well with those folks too. And it's just a great partnership. And as we continue
to work to control costs and expand with our growing counties, um we will continue to keep our eye on every cost that we possibly can to bring the best, safest, most reliable power that that we can we can provide. So I want to wish you all a merry Christmas and a great
happy new year as well. >> Well, say merry Christmas. Let's go to the board members. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Oakley. We certainly appreciate this and a growing county like Pasco County is and your district
had began because of rural nature of it has actually grown more than other areas all over over Florida and around around the Tampa Bay area. But we certainly appreciate all the work that y'all do to support us and
what we got going on here in Pasco County and actually been a step ahead of the uh new developments and all that are happening in our area and you've been ready once it gets approved to go forward. So, thank you very much for that. >> Mr. Whitman, >> thank you.
>> Well, Andy Taylor's here with Tico. What are you doing today? >> What's Tico doing today? Uh, Mr. Taylor, >> he's going to let >> welcome welcome to the the fine show that the with Cooch River Electric is
putting on for us. Uh I couldn't help myself. Uh but no, seriously, you know, couldn't have a better community partner in co-op than what you guys do. Not just returning money, but the jobs that you provide, the vision that you have for
our county, helping helping others in places that you don't have to. um just you guys are second to none and it's always an honor to have you come before the board whether it's giving us 370 plus thousand or just to come and and talk to us. So thank you for coming here today.
>> Thank you Starky. >> Well um yesterday was a wonderful day. So thank you so much for that when we uh cut the ribbon on our new veterans um village. But I also uh want to thank with Luchi, listen up Tico, uh for being a sponsor of our first miles that matter
for all children's hospital. We are so excited that they are bringing a children's hospital to Pasco County in this part of Florida and I'm this is our first fundraiser for All Children's in the county and I'm just so grateful that you're one of our sponsors. So, thank you very much. I'm going to be walking it with my dog. Feel free to come out
and join me. >> Mga, >> you can also walk. You don't have to run. Well, whenever I see a veteran project or something great in the community, your name is attached to it. So, just thank you for being a blessing to Pasco. You guys truly are the hands and feet. >> Thank you. I just say we are blessed in
Pasco County with Luchi Electric. You guys are the best cooperative in the planet on the planet. Uh what you do for the community, uh your business friendliness and your acumen to to save your company, save your customers money has been phenomenal. And I think it's such a warm-hearted thing at this time
of year to actually help the people that have these electric bills that pretty much don't have to pay them get their credit as well. It just makes it makes the season that much better for everybody. So, thank all the great work you do. >> Thank you, Commissioner. We greatly appreciate it. >> With that, let's go on and take a picture. Yep.
>> All right. You better sitting here. What are you losing? That's right. >> There we go. >> All right. Ready? >> All right. Okay. Is there any other public comment?
>> I have no one else signed up. Andy's on there, >> but we're going to pull yours. >> I'm going to pull sheet, too. >> Okay. >> There was someone online on my sheet. Not on my >> uh for public comment. >> Yes. A lady. >> Is there anyone on me? >> No one is on. Not on. >> But um we can call up Andy Taylor. He
did um sign up, but um he had put signed up, but but he has comments. >> Okay. >> Do you have a check with you? >> A sponsorship. >> I was I'm sorry. and Andy Taylor, Tampa Electric Company. I was coming up here
to thank you all and thank Commissioner Weightman, but I think that just changed my entire remarks. Um, you know, 14520 uh Fifth Street, Dade City, for the record, Tampa Electric Company.
I'm here about C2 and and Madame Clerk, I'm fine leaving it on consent. Um, it's the resolution for Jimmy Adcock um recognizing his retirement. and I think you all know him. He is retiring. He had my role with the company for 14
years. Spent the last two and a half making sure I didn't screw up. Um that resolution, if you read your packet, goes into a lot of our nonprofit support such as the Dade City Police Foundation. Jimmy and and Tiko was one of the first
donors to that uh when they started that in 2018. We support Sunrise, their peace breakfast. Last week, both we work closely with uh with Luchi. We both support Sunrise. Last week at the peace
breakfast in East Pasco, I was at table number one sitting with Kelly Sin and the keynote speaker. We do that. Um you know, Jimmy worked 43 years for the company. Started as a meter reader, worked his way up to the director of
regional affairs. So, he did not want a presentation. I was going to thank Commissioner Weightman, but I'm not so sure anymore. Um, and thank you all for for signing that. And um, you know, we support a lot and and there's more in that resolution. You can read in your
packet of what we've done with our nonprofit partners in the community and what Jimmy's done um, over the years, but happy to be here. Say uh, say thank you for that, I think. And um happy to be here. And just on a personal personal
note, happy to be here for uh Mike Shoemate's retirement as well today. He was a good friend that I worked with uh is a good friend I worked with closely over the years when I worked with the county as well. And again, madam clerk, I'm fine leaving that on consent. So, thank you. >> Thank you, >> Andy. Merry Christmas and thanks for all
the tego, too. >> Thank you. Thank you, chairman. Thank you, someone. Oh man, >> this is fun. >> This is still a good one, Seth. >> All right, so we're going to go to the consent agenda. Um, items I have
scheduled for pull are C46, which is a withdrawal, C8, C32, C60, and C68. Are there any other items to be pulled? >> Okay, with that, can I have a motion for approval? >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed?
>> Okay. Um, so C8, we're going to have a discussion on that. Uh, this is something I was going to pull pull, but I did have a good conversation with Miss Blair. I didn't uh Miss Blair, I didn't have a chance to do it earlier, but uh I was happy with the explanation. So, if you want to kind of describe what we
talked about. >> Sure. Absolutely. >> Elizabeth Blair, Pesco County Attorney's Office. What's before you is a request from Logan Outdoor for a conversion of static billboards for the ability to have digital display. The county's program established in 2017 was set up
for a certain number of billboards to come down in exchange for the ability to convert. You've entered into numerous agreements since then to take down billboards. Um the three other companies that you've negotiated with have all taken down static face billboards that were not slatted for some other form of
removal. They weren't taken down by hurricanes. They were billboards purely located throughout the county. They wanted to exchange for digital conversion. Unfortunately, the request right now that's in front of you um is for the using some billboards that
aren't having to come down and some that are already required to come down. Currently, there's a site plan and planning and development right now, which is attached to your memo that shows that we have billboards on this particular piece of property that already have to come down. So, under the terms of the land development code and
consistency with prior agreements, those billboards can't be counted as part of the removal ratio. they can choose other billboards they own elsewhere in the county, which they do own other billboards, and put that together as part of their package. And if they submit a new application set up like that, that will certainly be able to
bring that to you and show it to you as being consistent with the land development code and other agreements. So, >> so Elizabeth, I appreciate that. And again, it basically is there not going to get credit for building billboards that have to come down. >> Correct. >> What I wouldn't mind doing is having a future conversation like we talked about when we had our hurricane workshop. if
they want to look at some things that are on 19, we can replace some of the on 18 for the digital billboards. So when there is a hurricane, we can do it for awareness and the warnings. Uh happy to sit down and have that conversation. >> Sounds good. >> So I'm I'm happy with the item. I pulled it. >> Uh C8.
>> Second. Okay. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Okay. And item C32 I just wanted to highlight this because you know years ago we talked about how much blight was actually out there in in
Port Richie, Newport Richie. Um these checks we've got to come out come out of our budget that would be spread around the county which at these times we need to take a look at I don't know if the board has a will to actually go look at these blighted areas to see if they should be cons keep coming there and put some pressure to get that lighted up. um
you know Zephr Hills City very little um so I don't know if there's any appetite for the board to take a closer look at that for the future. >> Um I mean I think we should always take a look under the hood. >> Thanks for being on time. Mike,
>> do we >> do we get um an annual update of what they've done with the money? Do we the board? >> It would I would love to know what projects they're working on.
>> Maybe we could put a request in haven't >> for a presentation. >> Okay. >> Do we need a motion for that or should we just >> uh move to approve? >> I can ask. He'll do the ask. >> And we have a motion to approve C32. So
move. Second. >> Second. >> Kind of got it. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Okay. >> I said it, but I didn't say it loudly. >> Sorry. >> Uh, and now we'll go to C60.
I pulled this one just to have a discussion about the cost that we have for every project that we approve. I don't want to change what we've got because the timing of this needs to to continue forward. the research you've done is great, but um I know we had some things with the restart committee. We looked at closely how much money it took
to administrate some of those projects and that's what kind of uh changed some of the things we were looking at doing and I'm just wondering how much does it take to do these smaller grants or the bigger grants and um you could elaborate on that a little bit. the administration, Mary theory Young
Community Development, the administration of the grant, regardless of the award, um it takes the same amount of time to administer the grants. We're still reviewing all invoices. We're reviewing everything that's submitted for the grant before we approve for reimbursement. So, it
doesn't matter if it's a $25,000 grant or if it's a $500,000 grant, the administration is pretty much the same regardless. So, if we're going to get our best bang for the buck and reduce administration cost, bigger projects are a better value-wise than the smaller projects.
>> Depending on the project, yes, some of these service projects are the smaller value projects because we're limited by our funding source on how much we can put allocate for services. >> Okay. So, again, I don't want to change what we have now, but I just want to bring that awareness out. Maybe next
year you can kind of factor that in. >> Absolutely. I hear your concerns and we will look at that and come back with a resolution. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Move approval. >> Um I'm sorry. I have a question. >> All right. Uh do we have a second over there first? Okay. >> I have a second. >> Okay. And commission >> in discussion. Um
kind of like um with our housing authority. Um I heard recently that it's possible that we're bringing in people who aren't Pasco residents to some of our shelters. and knowing
the great need that we have here, unless it's a dire circumstance, and I I know one where we had a woman who was at Metropolitan Ministries um and she was a victim of domestic violence and her perpetrator found out where she was and they had to move her out of the county.
But I want to be sure that that all the support we're giving to our um uh homeless >> nonprofits >> nonprofits that we're focusing on our Pasco County residents first.
I just wanted to say that. >> Excellent. Okay, I have a motion to second. Any further discussion? >> All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? >> Thank you. and C68 Mike Carbella. >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. We had some
gonna ask Chuck Lane, gonna ask Chuck to come up to um speak a little bit about one of the elements of of our better futures program. So item C68 has a number of policies in them, but um
specific policy regarding mortgages and the uh protection of the money uh has has come up in in conversations. And so I felt it was prudent to have this conversation with the board. I'm going to let Chuck uh kind of describe in the details and what it is that we would like to get guidance on and make sure that the board is is comfortable with
what we're proposing moving forward. >> Uh thank you, Chuck Lane, uh director, office of disaster recovery resources. So staff is requesting policy direction regarding a component of the policies and procedures for the individual housing program. As written, policies require the household to live in the
home for 3 years following construction and a mortgage will be used to protect the county's interest. There are different circumstances that that trigger um these requirements. But for projects north of $50,000, the policies require a mortgage and a three-year
residency requirement. So, it's important to understand that we may have rare circumstances where we discover a fraudulent application after funds have been dispersed or we may find that there's been a duplication of benefits. Um, under either case, uh, we
may be required to pay the funds back to HUD. A mortgage is the most effective instrument to ensure we can recapture those funds from the homeowner uh, with reliability and with minimal cost. Uh depending on the board's risk tolerance, you may wish to leave this policy as is
or you may wish to uh make changes. Landlords have more rest more stringent rules required by HUD and we will follow those rules. We're asking you to weigh in on the requirements for homeowners only. So what you see on the screen here, this is information we gathered from other
disaster recovery programs in Florida. You can see that five of nine have a residency requirement or a compliance period. uh same thing, but only Lee County requires a mortgage. Uh a more common practice to enforce the residency requirement is to uh incorporate the
requirement into uh a grant agreement and and then staff thereafter will monitor to make sure the rules are being followed. Uh this is information um from from uh policies from organizations outside of Florida. You can see it's
pretty much about the same um the same percentage of those that require residency requirements and those that do not. Um so we're asking for your approval of the policies and procedures today. Any delay would cause us to delay our individual housing program. Um
whether you would approve as is or as amended. So I'm here to answer any questions as you talk through this. Tim Lagudi uh who is the um uh program manager on the M side, our consultant for this program. He's also available for comment. Tim, please confirm that
you're available. He is online. He's not feeling. >> Good morning. I'm here. >> Um if I could, Chuck, Tim, would you explain? We talked on a conference call yesterday about the risk that's really involved here. And um you you went
through the situation in New York and how that uh played out as far as what the expenses really were compared to what the risk really was. >> Sure. So the the risk is minimal. Uh as Chuck mentioned, the two risks that you have with applications are predominantly
related to uh information or misinformation that's been given by the applicant uh and duplication of benefits. Uh one of the back stops that we have on duplication of benefits is typically the third party data sets that we receive from FEMA, the Small Business Administration, and the National Flood
Insurance Program. uh because of the government, we're working to try and get that information uh as quickly as possible. Uh but our program works off of documentation that is submitted by applicants. And so there's a very
thorough review of their application, their income, and their duplication of benefits. uh for instances where we did need to recapture funds in New York, uh we worked with uh the state of New York to develop a policy and we were able to
reach out to those applicants to obtain any funds that were paid in excess of what their award should be. So, uh we do feel that the the risk is low here. >> I have a comment or question. >> So, being a flood victim myself,
I just want to throw this out there. So, If I let's say I'm not me but let's say you take the money right and in a year and a half you say I want to move I want to get out of the flood zone I can't afford to absorb another hit like this are you locked in for those three years
to stay in that home >> well the way the policy is written now it requires the three-year residency right requirement um we we will have carveouts in there for uh hardships and discretion of the county in order to wave that requirement
Okay. Me personally, I'm I'm not for the three years. So, I I feel like if a family says, you know, I want to better myself, I want to get out of a flood zone, that they should be able to do that within three years and not have um the government telling them they could do that. So,
>> I'll say, Commissioner Jagger, I did the same conversation from the get-go. You could have different life situations going on. And the great thing about this program, it's disaster recovery. So, we're improving our housing stock every every situation uh that that goes on. And those people can be bound by flood
insurance crimes, etc. And maybe they find life changes. >> Yep. >> Jobs happen, kids move, you go follow the kids, whatever. Whatever may happen, I don't want to keep anybody from going away. If they're following the rules, they're improving their home, which is substantial. It's going to make it better for Pasco County residents that
may come in there later on anyway. So, we're minimizing flood risk. We're we're giving people an opportunity to recoup and the federal government wants the recovery. I'm I agree with you. If someone wants to go the next day, I don't care. >> Any other thoughts?
>> Mr. Wayman, >> not big on copying New York over anything. Um, >> then you're in favor of a mortgage. I >> So, just figure it's been a fun morning so far. I mean, look, this this this is
our this is our money that the feds released to us and um you know, it should be put back in the hands of of of the taxpayer, be put to work sooner than later. Um so, you know, the more
flexibility we have should probably do that since the time has taken for six years. And um if we run up against any any challenges uh is that the $32 million man coming from the speaker, the
$32 million consulting firm that we've we've we've paid. I I have full confidence that he'll figure it out for this county and for our customers. >> Mr. Chairman, if I can. >> So it's completely a policy decision for
the board. Um I But the board needs to be aware that if something goes wrong in the future, county attorney's office is going to be hardpressed to litigate your way to getting the money back. It will probably
be more expensive to litigate individual cases to get the money reimbursed um without some sort of a document like a mortgage.
But that's you know that's the board that's board's choice and your consultant has said the risk is low. Our job is to present those risks to you and have you make a business decision about it. >> Okay.
>> Uh Mr. W County attorney. So say something happened. >> We would have to pay the county general fund would have to pay that fund back pay back those that portion of the money or what what are the what's the penalty? That's that's my concern is if if if in
fact you have funded a duplicative they received money through the feds through flood insurance or whatever they also received money for that same damage from this pot of money. It's likely that
if if that surfaces, the feds will ask for that money back from you all and the only pot of money you have at that point in time would be the general revenue. Mr. Lane can correct me if I'm off base, but >> that's correct. That's
>> and there is a form that these people sign that says clearly this is this is the money we're getting and they understand it's a uh violation of law if found that they're lied on the application. >> Yes, we have a grant agreement with each with each homeowner
>> and and these people could go to jail if they >> fraudently did did an application and found and found guilty. >> I don't know jail but it is it is a crime. >> Okay. Yes. >> So would would um if that's the case
and say that scenario were to happen, would the county file a lean against the property and recoup the what the taxpayer is having to fund up front and then if that property is sold and we would just capture and pay back the general fund, pay back the taxpayer for >> for that situation?
>> No, sir. You wouldn't you wouldn't have no collateral. >> You wouldn't be have that's what the mortgage document was for. Well, yes, but I didn't know if there was an other forms of collateral. >> So, so the scenario we've just that
we've just discussed would be a crime that would be up to the state attorney to prosecute. Um, that would not in and of itself, you might get restitution out of that that criminal proceeding, but it would not allow you to to put a lean on
the property. >> I have a question. Is there a database where you can check with FEMA and all these other organizations like where they all talk? So you >> We do get data sets from FEMA. We're working on the the latest data set right now. Um but we we do get information
that we can we can look at and we can cross-check what residents have told us. >> Okay. And when they said the percentage was low in these other states where there's no compliance, what has been the percentage of uh cases that need to be
litigated? Tim, can you speak to that? >> So, that is not publicly available information. Uh, I know that there were a handful in the state of New York that required litigation, but most often when we reached out as a program to go and
recollect those funds before it even got to the litigation step, the very strong majority of those applicants either paid it back in full or were able to enter into a payment plan to pay back those funds. >> That was my thought, too. I mean like if they're going to perjure themselves, you know what I'm saying? I'm sure that
penalty would be going to I mean it's a criminal offense. So, >> um I'm fine with what we spoke about. >> I'm willing to give it a chance. >> Sure. >> I don't need a mortgage. Uh Commissioner Wman, >> thank you. So, um what approximate dollar amounts at r at
risk here? Do we have an idea about the approximate dollar amount would be at risk if we did this? Well, >> comparatively to the $600 million, >> the maximum we could spend on one project is $330,000 for a replacement of a home and an additional hundred,000 to elevate it. That would be the maximum we
could spend on any project. The average across the board will be much lower than that. >> So 450 on the high end times how many? What's your estimate? Didn't we in the present? 250 houses >> uh on the Yeah, probably about 250 houses on the replacement side perhaps.
Yeah, that that's a good good guess. better at math than me. Calculator commission way. While you're calculating that, consider this. The average FEMA process was very small amounts of money. If anybody got a large chunk of money, pretty much that's going to come up, I
would think, pretty quick. So, we're really talking about small amounts of money. Whether someone got 1750, 700 for moving, maybe it's a rental reimbursement. We're not talking, I don't think, high high dollar numbers here all the way through. And if you ever did get to that point, I don't think anybody's going to put themselves at at a big risk coming up with and
especially if you got the data sets from FEMA where the biggest chunk's going to be. Um, and again, with Tim going through this up in New York and having just a handful of cases in every one of them resolving, I I think anybody everybody's going to get resolved pretty quick. >> Yeah, the high-end risk is seemingly
just over 112 million. If you did 250 houses at 450 a month, >> that's if everyone committed fraud. Yeah, it's >> And you could also, if the board desired, you could also set a threshold
where at $150,000 would be the first thing that would kick in a mortgage and then we we'd do non mortgages below that amount if you were worried about the big ticket. But that again, policy decision for the board.
So, >> right now, consensus shows at least two of us, Commissioner Jagger, myself. We don't want Yeah. with the two. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, we got three that say we don't want it. >> What do you guys think? >> It's a test a test bud. >> Yeah. I'll go for the majority. >> Just question. Um,
so we're putting at risk general fund dollars if we don't make them stay the four three years. Is that what we're doing? if if you were required to pay the federal government back. So the federal government would have to come after the county for that money and
then you would be putting the only pot of money you would have to pay the feds back would be general revenue. >> Yeah. Well, I I don't think that's a good way to spend citizens money that we we have control over because somebody defaults or lie to get on their
application to cause that to happen. I don't I don't think we are to be spending that money down the road. They should be responsible for that. >> No, no matter what would happen, we'd still have a battle. But you'd have people that would be criminally liable for anything found that they were wrong.
I think as Tim said, those people are going to probably resolve themselves rather than go go through with it. Whether it be payment or getting all the money up front, you've still got a strong form saying this is what the law says. You're saying you didn't get the money. you sign that document. That's a
pretty strong document not to go to jail over. I think most people, if they're really going to go that way, they're going to walk away from this rather than try to scam the government. I think >> maybe a couple out there, but for the dollars we're talking about, I don't think it's a huge risk. And again, I think Tim's resolution of the ones that
did were there and that's a pretty big state up there in New York. Uh if that worked up there and he's going to have the same type of uh leverage forms, I think we're in pretty good shape. A $32 million man.
They want to make sure they're going to get this right. It doesn't look good on them if it doesn't. >> Yeah. All right. So, it looks like we have at least three. Do we have four? >> I'll roll with Oakley. >> Uh no. Okay. All right. So, consensus says we have four that say no mortgage.
I'll update the policies to reflect that direction and uh and I'll ask the uh county attorney's office to review and approve. Sure. Okay. >> At any point this thing gets a little squirly, we can change the policy. >> We can change the policies at any time. >> All right. Um >> and can you bring it can you bring us
the language prior to the next uh board meeting? >> We need to implement, are we? >> We we're implementing right now. Um Okay. >> I can I can bring it to the board as a follow-up if you'd like. Um, again, we can amend these policies at any time. >> Okay. I just wanted to make sure the
verbiage is correct before we go to implement. So, >> okay. >> All right. >> Okay. So, with that note of change, you need a motion for approval. >> Is there anything else to discuss? >> Motion. >> If county attorney is okay with it, I mean, I would just say we will amend the
policies per this board discussion and you approve the policies and we move forward with them. >> All right. So, can I have a motion for that? >> Yep. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? >> I. >> Okay. 4 to one passes. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> And Chuck, I want to I want to just tell
everybody here if you I'm sure we all been to the meetings, but you are doing a phenomenal job communicating with the people, letting them know what's going on. I got great great trust in you and Tim to do continue a great job and help these people that are trying to recover back and I got great full faith in you
and thanks for the great job you're doing. >> Thank you, Chairman. Appreciate that. All right. Are we doing the Michael Shoemade resolution? >> Yes. Resolution. >> Okay. And is Michael Shoemade in the audience? >> There he is. He hiding in there.
>> He was hiding. I didn't see him either. >> A That's so nice. >> Very nice. >> Even Spencer came back. >> Make sure he leaves. >> Is he there? I don't see him. Oh, I see him. >> All of you come up with him. >> You even look at >> Even Spencer's in the house. This is
like big. >> It is. >> This is the only people want to see you go. Is that the deal? >> They're working hard. >> All right. Resolution, please. >> All right. Resolution number 26-061.
a resolution by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, congratulating Michael Schumate on his retirement and commending his long I'm sorry, commending his outstanding service to the citizens and animals of Pasco County. Whereas Michael Shoemate
has served the Pasco County Animal Services PCAS department with distinction for 12 years, demonstrating visionary leadership, unwavering dedication, and a deep commitment to animal welfare. And whereas under Mr. Under Shoemade's leadership, PCAS has
achieved the s has achieved and sustained a live release a live release rate of over 90% since 2019, reflecting his team's tireless pursuit of adoptions, rescues, and other life-saving outcomes. And RAM, Mr.
Shummates spearheaded numerous initiatives and life-saving programs through progressive and driven focus on growing the organization through direct engagement with community stakeholders and raising the county's attention to the needs of the people and pets in Pasco County such as enhancing the
vaccination clinic to include heartworm preventative flea and tick control and other non-prescribed animal care items. Enrazz as he led transformative shelter improvements such as new dog play playy yards, outdoor kennels and volunteer
walking paths, a catio. Is that out? A catio for oh a catio for community cats, upgraded cat kennels, perimeter fencing, dog kennels, soundproofing and enhanced safety features for staff and officers. And whereas Mr. issue to establish proactive policies, procedures, and
premier standards with training manuals and evaluation guides for staff and volunteers. And whereas he secured over 600,000 in grants and donations from national organizations to support spay and neuter surgeries, vaccination, vaccine clinics, disaster relief, and
shelter enhancements and Mr. Shoemate c cultivated part partnerships with veterary schools, technical colleges and national organizations hosted regional shelter director meetings and led PCIs to receive tier one designation in the h
in the human animal support services initiative and RAZ. He championed ordinance amendments to ban retail sales of dogs, cats, and rabbits and expanded PCIs's social media and bilingual outreach efforts to meet the needs of a
growing and diverse community. And whereas Mr. Dr. Schumate oversaw the growth of the organization and the resources it provided to community, fostering a culture of inclusion, professionalism, and development, resulting in numerous certifications, degrees, and awards, including the 2021
National Animal Care and Control Association Agency of the Year award. And whereas Mr. Shumate's leadership earned two international points of light service enterprise awards, 15 Florida animal protection and advocacy association awards and five national
animal care and control association awards including animal control officer of the year, leader of the year and the prestigious Bill Liam Memorial Award. Now therefore, be it resolved by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, that said board hereby congratulates Michael Schumate on his
retirement and commends him for his exemplary service, leadership, and dedication to the animals and citizens of Pasco County. His contributions have led an indelible mark on the community and will be remembered with gratitude and admiration. Done and resolved in
regular session with a quorum present and voting this 9th day of December, 2025. >> Move approval. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. Hi. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Oakley. >> Yes, sir. Mike, it's it's been a while, but I I think you're too young to be uh
retiring. I know we had a commissioner come out of uh Citrus County one time. I met him over there to go through the facilities and that you made in Pasco County and all the changes that have been made. they actually are
uh right at putting that new system and building it all in Citrus County because of the good work they saw here in Pasco because of what you've done while you've been here. So I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all that you did for us. >> Appreciate Commission Weman.
>> Thank you, Chair. Congratulations. I um always wonder if I'll ever get to retire one of these days and when I see him I'm a bit envious but no something tells me you're not going to be sitting on the sidelines too long. I see Spencer back there >> grinning and probably looking at
poaching a few of our our teammates there just so we're watching Spencer. No, congratulations on all the great work and your team. You always, you know, you've always advocated for your team and for you all that are here. I'm sure sure you know that you had a fantastic leader in Mike and um you know
you couldn't left the department in any better in any better better shape. So it's a testament to you and your work and dedication here to the animals of Pasco and the citizens of Pasco County. So welld deserved and congratulations >> Mr. Starky. Um, wow. It seems like you
just got here, but um, hate to see you go, but what an accomplishment you have um, achieved and you're leaving a great legacy. Um, I'm sorry we didn't get that building yet, but we're working on it >> and um, just great great luck in your
next endeavor and retirement or whatever your your next plans are. Thanks so much for serving us so well. >> Appreciate it, Commissioner Jagger. >> Well, congratulations on your retirement. Thank you to your service for Pasco County. And I'm sure you're going to come back and visit, right? >> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah. And bring dog treats. And I was so impressed when I when I saw the facility. I'm like, those dogs and cats are so spoiled there. And I always tell people if they say anything, I'm like, go take a tour. I mean, who gets frozen peanut butter and all these treats all these times a day? What you what you
guys do there is very impressive. So, >> thank you. >> Congratulations. Now Mike, and I tell you, your leadership through the years have been absolutely phenomenal. Uh we had some very strong animal groups out there that were not happy with some of the things that were going on, etc. And the way you rided that ship was just absolutely
amazing. From we had probably a couple years we had calls and calls and calls. And to what you've done now and the team you put together, even though you lost Spencer, I don't know what happened there. I know. Congratulations, Spencer. But uh really, Mike, what you've done with the people there, I mean, I I I just can't be thankful enough. And I
know the people are too. and you've earned your retirement, so I want you to go enjoy it and have a great time. >> Thank you, >> Mike Carbella. >> And thank you. And and Mike, if I could just pile on to the accolades. I just want to thank you um for really embracing that leadership philosophy of
people, purpose, and performance. Um I know the people mean a lot. I know the animals mean a lot, but we know that through the people you're you're you're accomplishing the mission. So, you've you've led this department and have laid a fantastic foundation and just um you know, proud of of the time I've been able to to work with you. I know I've
learned a lot since being in this role, but even prior to that. So, you've done a lot and we just thank you for that and wish you the best in retirement. >> Kathy up here Kathy Pearson, assistant county administrator public services. Wow. This is um I'm a little emotional
here because Mike has been by my side since I got here. And you're right, Commissioner Marian was very, very challenging when we got here. Commissioner Starky, you know that too. And with Mike's leadership, he has turned this challenging animal services
into most one of the most award-winning animal services. And I can thank him from the bottom of my heart with that. And it was truly his leadership. He loves his job. He loves his family. He talks about his family all the time. He loves his work family. He protects them
all the time. Believe me, I've been in battles with him on that. So, and he unbelievable when it comes to budgets and writing awards and giving kudos to where it needs to be. And I can tell you each of my directors, we have learned something special from this man. Um, and
I'm proud to call him my friend still, too. And I just want to share with you a story that I think um really sums up who Mike is. And it was a few years down the line and and we were, you know, he was really working on getting the reputation and all that back. And he says, "Geez, I
just can't keep employees for some reason." And he said, "Let me share this with you." He said, "I had to change my philosophy." And I go, "What are you talking about?" He goes, "I'd be in the interviews and I'd ask these folks, do you love animals?" And of course they love animals. He said, "But they didn't
love people." So he said, "You you have to love people to be in this job." And so he changed his whole philosophy and now he asked people, "Do you love people?" And and that to me stuck with me and I use that in all my interviews now because you that the people are the
ones that adopt the animals, right? So um Mike, this sums it up for me. You know, Ronald Reagan quote is the greatest leader is not necessarily the one who does great things. A leader is the one who gets the people to do great things. And that's what you have done. And from the bottom of my heart, we're
going to miss you so much. and but I know he's already told me he wants to volunteer at Parks and Wreck and ride the lawnmower. So, yeah. So, Mike, congratulations and floor is yours, my friend. >> Hi, Mike. >> Uh, well,
hope I've got a voice here. I um first let me just say that uh been very blessed. You know, God's been good to me. Uh when I first got here, there was a lot to overcome and um I sent up a lot of prayers and got a lot of good answers
and a lot of good support. So I praise praise God for that. It's been my honor to serve uh this commission uh the people of Pasco County. It's been a great privilege to serve with so many people who dedicated themselves to
animal welfare out there and helped us along. Um, one of the great supports we've had is from our uh, Friends of Animal Services Group. U, Michael Cox, Darling Green are here today representing them and I
appreciate them being here. But, uh, they funded us and pulled us out of a lot of good things, uh, a lot of good things that we could afford, uh, to make improvements out at the shelter when we couldn't get grants. Uh, we had, you know, tight budgets. It was difficult
but uh they always came through for us and I I so much appreciated their friendship, encouragement and um I do want to say that you know for all the times that I've came before the board uh you have all been very uh supportive and
just a lot of encouragement not just for me but for my team you know uh when you support us for various things. Kathy has been absolutely great to work with. Uh been with her 11 years. Um talk about
work family. Uh the other directors in the public services branch, uh we are like family. Went out the other day and almost killed each other, but uh we have an annual outing. We played paintball this time. >> Oh, fun. >> I think I'm just able to walk again
today. So, uh but it's been great working with all of them. a lot of wealth >> and uh and I've appreciated that. I got my family here with me, my wife Janette, uh daughter Liz and daughter Laura and I appreciate all the support that they've
provided me over these 12 years. Um they've really been encouraging as well and I appreciate that so much. uh have Spencer here with me today, Spencer Conover, who uh was going to be uh my secession plan, but we had other he had
other plans and I I am very proud of him. Um he's now the uh chief uh operating officer for the National Animal Care and Control Association. >> Wow. So um and Pasco he's moved up to the national
stage and I know that he'll be an up andcoming leader in animal welfare in this nation. So I'm very proud of him and I really thank him for the eight years he gave us here at Pasco. It was amazing. Um a lot of the things read on
there I attribute to uh his leadership u as well. And uh quick story on that. When I was interviewing for the job, he confessed to me that he got fired for being a poor leader at his last job. And I said, "Well, I'm not hiring you for your leadership right now." I said, "We
can train you here in Pasco for leadership because we have a pretty good leadership program in Pasco." And um but I wanted him for for all his knowledge of the industry and all his connections that he had and the fact that he had a degree in communications and I did not
like standing in front of the cameras anymore. So he was going to do that for me and he did an outstanding job of it. And for all the people that work with me and for me um at animal services, the managers I have out there are very
professional. They're the top in this industry and I appreciate them so much. Uh they are family and they've suffered through things with me and and um we've laughed and loved and and cared for a
lot of animals out there. But for everybody, just thank you. It's been a great 12 years and uh appreciate this recognition. Thank you. for the pictures. >> Come on team. Come on up for pictures.
here since I've been here before. >> Can I get some of you over here to go over here? Can I get like two more of you to come over here? >> All right. Ready? >> I like it. Congrats,
Mike. >> I'd just like to say thank you for our animal services team. You guys are doing a phenomenal job. Please keep up the great work you're doing. We appreciate you. >> We'll go to R76. Confirmation. >> 75. >> 75 first. Okay.
>> Uh, no. I prefer if we do R76 first. >> Okay. >> So, I'm going to go back to R76. >> Sorry. confirmation of committee development director Mary the >> I got I still got tears running down my eyes
>> not because you want to hold I got to pull my agenda here so Kathy Pearson assistant county administrator and I am proud very proud of Mary um who is hopefully
going to be confirmed today by all of you as the permanent director of community development. Mary has um been with the county since 2020 and has just done about every job there is at community development. She really has
and she served as the assistant director for a very short time until we grabbed Chuck to become the D disaster recovery. So, um that's why we have two interims today. So, with that said, um Mary is uh has a bachelor's degree in business
management and a master's degree in public administration from Hodgees University in Fort Myers, Florida. She's been with the county for a long time and knows a lot of people. And so, she's just a wonderful to work with and she's a hoot, I'll tell you, she's a lot of fun to work with. And with that, I
respectfully um ask you all to confirm Miss Mary for the permanent position. And Mary, if you would please say your last name. I'll make sure I get it right. I know I got it wrong there. >> Theory Young. >> Theory Young. >> Theory Young. >> Oh, okay. Right. Do we have a motion?
>> Absolutely. I make that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Congratulations. >> Welcome. Congratulations. >> Thank you. Thank you, commissioners, for your trust. You've >> ever seen that before. Woohoo. Pasco County is my home and being able
to work here is extremely important to me and I am honored that you made me the director of community development and I can enforce our mission and continue to serve the citizens of Pasco County. >> Well, you do a great job. Thank you. Great. >> Thank you again. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Now we'll go back to Mike. Should we go back to R75 now, >> please? Sir. >> Okay. R75 confirmation of animal service director Gary >> Herrera. Gary >> I don't know. Poor Gary. He's heard all those accolids from Mike. He's like probably shivering. I'm glad he's still
here. >> I I guess you want to separate Mike Gary there a little chair. Do we >> We did a nationwide search. We really did. And and we were very lucky to find Gary Herrerero. He comes to us from Sumpner County. Um he's got a wealth of
knowledge in animal uh services. He's been a K-9. He's with the sheriff's department for many years in K9. And a fun fact in his earlier days, you know, Medieval Manor, the jousters, he was one of them. So he knows all about the horses, too. So, um I think he's going
to fit right into our culture. Um Gary holds a um bachelor's degree in business administration, Columbia Southern University. And guess what? He just got his master's degree this week. So, we're very proud of him on that. And um I'm just so excited. I I think he this is
what he said in the interview. He said, you know, coming to Pasco County is my NFL. >> We are the NFL guys, right? So, that sold me right there. So, Gary, um hopefully the commissioner will respectfully I'm asking your permission
to please confirm Mr. Gary Herrera. >> Okay. Well, well, chair, we've got to move up from paintball. >> Just saying team, if you're sore from paintball, >> uh, no, I'm just >> second. >> I move. >> All right. I have a motion to second.
All in favor say I. I. >> I. >> Congratulations. >> Welcome. >> Yep. Thank you. And uh uh thank you for this opportunity. I'm looking forward to stepping into the role of animal services director. I'm looking forward to serving this community and uh keep supporting the staff, volunteers, rescue
partners, and all the residents that care about the animals for this county. My commitment is very simple, and that's to keep on building to everything that this great man has built and to keep progressing the animal services industry forward. And most of all is to run an
animal services that you guys and the Pasco County is proud of. So, thank you for your trust and I'm ready to get to work. All right. Thank you. >> All right. Now we'll go to R77, confirmation of Office of Disaster Recovery Resources Director Charles Lane. Chuck,
>> it's Kathy Pearson again, assistant county administrator. Um, wow. What can I say about Chuck? Chuck is phenomenal. You said it, Commissioner Mariano. his his he he always tries to get to yes. He hardly
can never say no unless it is a no. He has been um a pleasure to work with. His ideas are off the charts. Um I'm just so excited that he has agreed to take on this position and you know is it it's scary because it's only for six years,
right? So you know he he took a leap of faith and said I'm going to make this happen. And you know, Chuck has been in this business for over 10 years. He's got a um bachelor's degree in business management management as well as a master's from private um uh college and
assumption university up in Massachusetts, my home state. So that's why he really got the job. No, I'm only kidding. But no, Chuck is phenomenal and I think you've all seen it and he's committed to make this disaster recovery the best it can be for our citizens. and
you'll hear his report in a little bit. So, with that, I respectfully ask you to confirm Chuck as the permanent community development director, uh, Office of Ambassador Recovery. Thank you. >> Approve. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed?
>> Chuck. Congratulations. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> I I guess I don't have a cheering section like Mary did. Uh this this is this is an incredible opportunity. I mean, I knew this would come with an an immense amount of work.
Um but I'm I'm I'm dug in. I'm prepared. I'm willing to do what it takes because we have an opportunity to really change lives in Pasco County with this money. So, thank you for the opportunity. >> Great job, >> Verate. And I'll tell you my fellow commissioners um you know last week or a
couple weeks ago we talked about uh we had a Cranch meeting and um I got a email from them and it kind of like showed that we they wanted to get some more help and and information. So you know Jason had Barto come out went on site and Chuck was Chuck was there the
night and uh gave him information helped them out. So, if you get like civic associations or whatever that need help and want special attention, Chuck will be there with the team and and help every step of the way. And I I appreciate that dedication. You you're you're doing a phenomenal job. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Starky.
>> Um and yeah, um we're working on a date for the team to come out to Gul Harbor. We only had one person there in in holiday and um so we'll we'll see if there's any others that we can help. Of course, any other community is welcome to come when they're given their
presentation, but I think we have that date set, but thank you, Chuck. >> You're welcome. Thank you. >> All right. Very good. Well, good luck, sir. Thank you. >> Okay. Ready for my update? >> Um, actually, let's say right to the quarterly update. Okay.
>> Okay. >> Um, I have PowerPoint I want to run through with you. Uh uh Chuck Lane, director now not interim director, office of disaster recovery resources. I'm joined again by Tim Lagudi. Tim, please confirm that you're plugged in.
>> I'm here, Chuck. >> Tim's going to share in this presentation with me. As as we said earlier, uh Tim represents IM. They are our implementation vendor for this uh for this undertaking. Um so this would be my first qu uh quarterly update since moving to program implementation. I'd
like to update you on the status of the better future program and I'll ask uh Tim to provide details on the progress we've made with the individual housing program since we launched last Monday. Uh on the screen uh I'm sorry um
on the screen you can see uh each program we plan to roll out the amounts allocated to each program and when we plan to begin receiving applications or accepting applications for each program. The allocation amounts were established in our action plan which you approved earlier this year. As for program launch
dates, HUD asked has asked us to focus on helping residents with housing needs and small businesses uh that are have been impacted by the storm. The planning program will be an early launch as well because we expect some planning studies to help set the table for projects in future phases. Uh we'll launch
infrastructure and mitigation in March and we expect that round to be quite competitive. So, as you know, my team has worked very hard to launch the the individual housing program as soon as possible. Uh, we were targeted on a 121 launch and and we hit that date. I'm very proud of
that. Earlier today, you approved the policies and procedures for that program. Over the next two months, staff will request board approval of policies and procedures for the remaining programs. Sorry about that. One of the uh remaining pro one of the reasons we were able to launch the indiv individual
housing program on time was because you all approved a contract for our system of record neighborly software. They're well suited for our program. Uh and they were able to con custom configure an application for our individual housing program in about 3 weeks which was very impressive. So thanks to Neighborly, the
efforts of my my uh disaster recovery team and IM were off to an excellent start. So our primary focus last month uh for the last month has been to get the individual housing program started. Our residents have waited a long time for this level of assistance. The screen
shows the major activities under the individual housing program and the maximum financial investment under each activity. The maximum rehab cost for a traditionally built home such as stick built or concrete block is $175,000 uh and $330,000 to replace a home. You can see the respective amounts for a
manufactured home. uh maximum reimbursement cost of $75,000 for a traditionally built home and $25,000 for a manufactured home. Uh the these amounts are are life-changing for our residents. We've done a ton of community outreach.
Our uh media relations and communication teams has worked overtime to get word out through uh a range of media opportunities. We hosted six public meetings across the county and we're doing more as specific groups uh make requests such as uh as the event that was at with with Commissioner Mariano.
Um we're uh we're conducting mobile intake events right now. We have three more scheduled this week, including two today. Um we want to meet people where they are to help them complete applications in person. Applicants need to know they can complete applications
online, in person at one of our intake events, or at our office located at 8239 Youth Lane. If someone has mobility issues, is not comfortable with the computer, we'll come to their home if we need to. If that's what it takes to get it done, we will do that. We want to make sure that no one misses this opportunity. It's just too important.
Um, as you know, we're required to spend 70% of the funds to help low to moderate income households. This means households earning no more than 80% of the area's median income. Those income limits vary by household size and you can see them on the screen. Uh consistent feedback we
heard at the public meetings is that the income limits are low. We consistently we were consistently asked if we could if we could serve a higher income category. So our action plan allows us to serve households who earn up to 120% of area median income. And those income
limits are now on the screen. Um we were initially planning to wait on that for a later phase. In response to the feedback, we will open up applications for a limited amount of funding on a first come first- serve basis for those earning between 80 and 120 20% of area
median income. For the higher income category, uh we will limit assistance to th to those that are still displaced from the storm. That will ensure that we're helping the hardest hit folks. Um, so altogether there's $25 million budgeted for the individual housing
program and of that we will set aside $20 million uh for the higher income category. >> Can I stop you for one second, Chuck? >> I have a question. I I just want to say, you know, with Chuck so involved, his team so involved, part of the reason this was coming forward is he looked and
listened to what was going on in the meetings and some of the issues that were going on, and he developed something that should take care of a group of people, even though it was just one, but others are going to be set with this. So, Chuck, thank you for responding and and making something happen with this. That's a great great great move. Shows you're really paying attention what's going on out there, and
I appreciate it. >> Yes, sir. Thank you, >> Mr. Starky. um at uh the um might have been at the regional meeting with all the commissioners which I had to zoom in after my other meetings. I heard that
some of the other counties or cities have added other monies to the pot so that pe people with a higher income level can access some of this money. I don't know how that works. I I don't
know if we've looked at that, but um I I want to help as many people as possible. And so I'm very glad you've gone to this 120. Uh but I just wonder if there's more we can do to help. >> I'll I'll I'll monitor that as much as possible and whatever we can bring to the table. >> It was either it might have been Penelis
County, might have been St. Petersburg. >> I'll do I'll I'll research that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we're on on our ninth day of accepting applications. As I said earlier, we're off to a strong start. I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Lagudi to give you a brief update on the activity that we we've received so far.
Tim, uh, thanks, Chuck, and good morning again, commissioners. Here's an update on how the community is engaging with the Pasco County Better Future individual housing program. On the screen, you'll see our public response as of Monday, December 8th, around this time yesterday. Uh at that time we had
420 total applications in the system with 316 started and 104 fully submitted. Our call center had already handled 251 calls with an average handling time just under 13 minutes. About 40% of those calls were for appointment scheduling. Uh we've been
holding mobile intake events around the county. 21% for application assistance and 12% for eligibility questions, which tell us that residents are not only interested, but they're actively trying to move forward with the program. Uh, since that snapshot, interest has continued to climb. We're actually at
about 455 total applications with 128 submitted. So, that growth demonstrates, you know, strong demand for the program and that our outreach and support channels are working. Uh, we can move on to the next slide. At a high level, the application process for the individual housing program is
designed to be straightforward and supported by our case management and program staff. Uh first, residents can start an application online or by calling the program's call center where staff can also help schedule an in-person or virtual appointment if they prefer guided assistance from our case
management team. Uh we're also holding mobile outreach meetings around the county where we've held a 100red meetings to date uh in our first three mobile intake meetings uh last week. uh and yesterday and we'll even go out to applicants homes if they need additional assistance. Second, applicants work
through the application. They upload or they bring their documents to a program office or a mobile intake location and receive help from staff as needed. The goal here is to remove barriers, whether that's technology or paperwork or simply understanding whether or not they're eligible for the program. Once that
application is submitted, our team reviews it for eligibility and completeness. We assign a case manager which is a one-to-one relationship between the resident and becomes their point of contact throughout the life of their application. Uh they can follow up with any questions and we move qualified
applicants into the pipeline for funding and next steps on their housing improvements. Uh eligible applicants will move into the site assessment stage where we complete a damage assessment and an environmental review which is required by HUD. Applicants who have construction or will have construction
performed on their homes will move into the pre-construction meeting stage where residents are assigned a general contractor. Uh they'll be able to select floor plans for mobile home replacements or for their reconstruction projects. And for any construction project, uh
residents are also able to select any finishes uh for any of the work that's being completed. Uh we then complete a final quality control review just to ensure that we have uh all the documentation that's needed in place and that the award is calculated properly. Uh if they are a reimbursement award, we
then trigger the reimbursement which will be a check or an a to that applicant if they've been confirmed for a reimbursement award. And then all other applicants who are having construction performed on their homes will move into the construction stage where the general contractor who's been assigned will complete any repair,
reconstruction, replacement, or elevation that they've been deemed eligible for and I will hand it back to Chuck. >> I have a question. >> How do you select the mobile locations?
How do we select the mobile locations? Uh the ones to be repaired to be replaced. >> No, I'm talking when you do mobile applications. >> We what we did was we we used the same sites we had the public meetings. We tried to keep it as as consistent as easy on the residents to remember as
possible. So we went right back to those same locations where we had the six public meetings throughout the county. >> Okay. Gotcha. >> Okay. So, if you have, let's say, a um, you know, like some of the mo the elderly, the mobile home parks that get
hit hard, are you sending anybody in there to kind of get the word out? >> Uh, we can. Um, and we will when we need to, if we feel there's a need to do that, we absolutely will. Like I said, we'll go to people's homes if we have to to help them fill out an application. We're not going to let anybody miss this opportunity because they can't use a
computer or because they can't get up and go to a mobile site. We're going to make sure we capture as everybody that we can. >> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. You know, maybe if you, you know, get a flyer or something, distribute it in the parks because they're, you know, they're not very techy. >> Okay. >> So, um, that's just a suggestion.
>> Okay. Thank you for that, >> Mr. Chair. Mr. Sharky, >> what are we do? So, I have I have a neighborhood that is a a travel park, but people have turn their travel RVs into permanent
structures. We're not investing in those. I would imagine >> we're not we're not able to. No, >> the fund that's not eligible for funds. I know the county is working on other means to try to work through some of those issues. >> Yeah. But but hope you know maybe we can help those residents in another way.
Right. >> Well, part of a a later phase is we're going to create housing and then maybe housing opportunities for folks to relocate. >> Okay. But I just want to be sure we're not rebuilding travel trailers. >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. >> Not allowed. Commissioner Waitman, to
Chuck, to two things to Commissioner Stark's point, we boot those folks out. I mean, by the time we get to any kind of housing, those folks may have moved on or whatever. So, I mean, there's a I think a bit of a sense of urgency on where where they're
going to go and how they're going to get there, not a couple years down the line. I don't know what the answer is, but that's just a concern. >> Understood. >> Um, and then the the other piece, if you go back, go back one slide, please.
>> What's your estimated timeline from application from a customer puts in an application to the last to the last from the first green box to the last green sp box? What's your measurable? How quickly what's your goal on how quickly to
process each case? Well, c certain pro projects are going to, you know, with the repairs and rehabs, it really depends on the scope. Um, and that's all there is to it. Some will be quick and some will take up to six months to do that rehab possibly. Um, so the pre-construction timeline, we're
probably looking at at at potentially three to four, maybe five months post constru u construction thereafter. Um, you know, uh, a rebuild is going to take three to four months. Again, the rehab projects are it just depends on the scope.
Tim on our end, uh, county administrator, >> what processes can we put in on our place to help these folks like move them out of our standards? >> Yeah, that I was I was I think the intent of the commissioner's question really is is how, you know, construction is what it is. What is the
administrative and the, you know, the permitting and those those types of things, you know, to get us to pre-construction and construction and and are we perhaps going to find ways to streamline through through permitting? you know, do we have those things that we're thinking about? >> Yes, I'm I'm working closely with with
uh with JP on on the construction side of things. They're going to assign a uh a re a plan reviewer for us. Um they're going to expedite these. Um I'm working very closely with the construction services department so we can get through these as quickly as possible, find ways to get through them qu more
quickly. So that is top of mind on this project. >> Okay. Thank you, Chuck. >> Okay. >> Okay. Just to uh just to wrap up um next steps, we're going to launch uh the planning program to include an innovative housing study. We've heard a lot of different types of housing uh
such as uh shipping containers, alternative construction u uh alternative materials for construction. We're going to ask Florida Housing to do a study for us um to guide us on the how to best implement these innovative u uh options. We'll uh we'll launch a small
business and nonprofit recovery program in late January, early February, and with the remaining programs to follow by spring of 2026. That includes my update. Um I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have. Uh Chuck, I want to just throw one idea with with your um
products, affordable items that could be used. There's a new um instead of a drywall board out there, there's a new magnesium board. Um gentleman by the name of Chet Panado. He's got a plant out in Zephr Hills. He's using that and it looks like it's a really good thing to take a look at.
He's got so it's very affordable as well. So maybe something to take a look at. >> Yeah, we'll discuss that with our contractors. >> Right. Any other questions with Chuck? >> Okay. I know we got a couple other presentations. So thank you very much. Keep up the good work. >> Thank you >> and congratulations. >> Okay. Mr. Bill Cronin,
>> our 73 quarterly presentation. Good morning and happy Tuesday everyone. You guys have had a real celebrate celebratory environment this morning and uh first of all let me say a couple things. Uh congratulations on the passing of the gavl. Uh chairman Mariano looking
forward to working with you. Uh Commissioner Starky, thank you for your support over the last year especially with international and all the stuff that we do uh including the chicken ordinance that shows some real perseverance there. And also uh special thanks to Commissioner Weightman as our
liaison uh to the Pasco EDC over this last year. Uh you had a couple resolutions earlier today. Uh I wanted to comment uh Mr. Mike Schuay also was involved with our international exchange of workforce too. Uh so that was something that touched multiple
programs. And of course Jimmy Adcock uh was a supporter of lots of different nonprofits in the area, but he served as chair of the Pasco EDC. And believe it or not, 10 years ago, he was the head of the selection committee that brought me here almost 10 years to the day. So I
don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but you can thank him for recruiting me here to Pasco County. Uh and lastly, let me thank you for u uh the approval of our new budget. Uh this will be the last time I'll be presenting to you in two presentations. One with
ourou and one with our penny for Pasco uh uh CFA. We now will be reporting under one structure um under that penny for Pasco contract. So everything that we do for you now will have a contract contractual obligation metric aligned
with it. Uh you see our our cover slide there. Uh we did win some awards this year. We were lucky to have the county actually participate in the IEDC annual conference with us. So we've got some county staff as well as our own and the president of the international economic
development council with us for those awards and that is our national accreditation agency. Um so here this is the end of the year uh quarter 4 that we're reporting on. we had 21 wins. Uh that's really good sign
of the barometer in terms of how we're doing and all the activities that we do that lead to those wins and that's when companies say they're going to actually either expand or locate here. Um some of the good stories in that number of 21 is
uh four of those are direct recruitment domestically. Four of those are international recruitment coming from abroad. uh 13 of those are local businesses expanding and that says that we take care of the businesses that are
here and that we continue to focus on uh the companies that brought us to the dance that we continue to help them to grow. Uh one of the other trends that we're seeing in here, not as positive but it's real world is that we're seeing less jobs and less capital investment
per uh company win coming in. And I think what you're what you're starting to see is the beginning of automation, AI, uh a consolidation in resources. You keep in mind companies goals is not to hire people. Company's goals is to make
lots of money and become profitable. So we need to find more ways to get more of our people employed and um and and continue to that prosperity that they get from having a good job here in Pasco. So we'll continue to focus on the
metrics that work that get those 21 wins and uh increasing that over the next year so that we can get more jobs since there's less jobs associated with each of the projects. Now uh also good news still really heavy in
advanced manufacturing. Uh this is the gift that keeps on giving. uh manufacturing tends to have other jobs, indirect jobs associated with manufacturing, not just the job in manufacturing. So there's suppliers, there's drivers, there's all kinds of
things related to that. And of course, life sciences continues to grow in the process too, uh with the Spiros project and with Moffett and what we're doing with the land there. We're going to continue to see uh those projects coming to us as well as us going out to them.
uh active leads actually um those are current leads and current projects right now pipeline is still really good 154 uh projects or leads in the system 125 projects I don't know it's been about two years since we were operating at the
uh about the 30 project level you remember me coming in saying an average average year uh time was about 30 projects we've been in triple digits now for almost two years of projects that are coming in and visits. I mentioned before taking
care of existing business still the most important thing that we do. Uh we've had 80 visits out in the field and actually got one of our companies to take advantage of one of the training grants that were available. Uh remember for about half the year um Career Source didn't have grants available. The the
portal wasn't open. Uh so we were able to get one in after that. And then when you look at the referrals uh to all the different workforce partners out there um you see 41 different referrals. That means making sure that our companies are
getting services from either those federal or state funded programs uh in workforce development and we're the marketing for the business area. So, 6.1 million in earned media.
Some really good coverage on lots of stories. Um, some interesting stories as well, too. You'll see uh the top headline, the UK defense firm that opened in Pasco County. That was one of those foreign direct investment projects. Uh they actually came to us
during uh SOCOM's soft week, special operations forces week. This was a company with some really cool technology that can use u a lens from a distance to pick up fingerprints used in uh catastrophes. Uh they started out
investigating bombings. Uh but they can also be used for law enforcement um and of of course for genetics as well too. And they landed in our incubator. So that is one of our smart landing programs that they actually will be working out of our incubator. They are
now a US company. It allows them to do business with the US military and local agencies here. Uh some other notable headlines I saw in there. Pasco turns sewage into gold with a new fertilizer plant. Many of you were out at the
Merill uh brothers um uh grand opening. They surprised us and hired probably about double what they thought they were going to and they put a big investment there. So, shout out to another one of our local companies getting traction in the news. >> Chairman,
>> how many years has we've been partnering with Merrill? >> Oh, since I've been here. Since I've been here. Since So, it's about 10 years that they've uh uh actually came to us. And originally, I think we were talking about um some other materials other than
the one we were just talking about um that had to do with with stables and things like that. Yeah, >> they're probably what our longness standing >> one of them so far >> as far as uh >> as far as you know >> partnering. >> Yeah. In in the investment that we
>> especially for a tech. Yeah. Yeah. I' I'd say you've got some others there that um uh I mean Metler's coming up on 10 years here as well too. And of course PAL uh aerospace some pretty big ones out there. But this one has a real grassroots feel to it that it's people
that we know and >> we should yeah celebrate those milestones with those companies. They didn't run they started when times were tough and >> that's exactly right. >> I just jump on Mel for a second too. Part of the reason the impetus to drive
that forward is we looked at how much money we're spending to send it. Uh the limited space it was going to be available the high cost was going to be uh I had some uh fellow commissioners from St. John's that I talked about this with before. They've been working with them and gave him referral and I know at least one of them went to their site to
go look at doing it. They've got a problem that's costing them a lot of money. So, Merrill's doing a great job and hopefully they'll keep it expanded, too. >> And it's a good product, too. Doesn't hurt to have a good product. >> Um, we're getting a lot of hits, 19,000
um, uh, page hits just in the fourth quarter this year. And what's always interesting is what they're looking at. They're looking at our sites. Um, they're look, that means they're looking for a place to move their business, which is great. And where are they coming from? Georgia, New York, South
Carolina, Texas, and Ohio. Commissioner Weighten. And that doesn't mean they're moving here from New York. We That's They're looking from New York. So, um, some really good companies that are coming out of out of there. And then 14,000 followers. Considering we don't have dogs like uh the sheriff's
department or uh animal services, that's a pretty good average to have following a business related social media. Uh that's our locals that are that are following our social media. Companies looking abroad aren't really looking at our social media. These are companies
that want to know what services we provide and how we can help them. And a good degree of engagement, too. almost 75% of that is engaged with us, meaning they're having conversations with us in the social media. Uh trade events, 86
year to date. Um well, of course, that clock starts over with the new fiscal year. Presentations to industries and association, 27 to date, and we had 18 conferences that we represented in the community.
our private sector side, 92 total investors, uh 45 policy council members. That's the most we've ever had. And uh and board members and pol policy council members together, $76,000 of private sector investment in the
Pasco EDC this last year. And that includes both private donations as well as the events that we put on uh that we don't use tax dollars to fund. um one new investor uh CRNI as a accounting firm and then some upcoming
events for you all to take note of. Uh we have our annual economic forecast which is always a sellout in uh January coming up. We'll have a speaker from JP Morgan Chase as well as an economist uh from the University of Tampa that'll be
featured for that event. That will be at the Hyatt. Also, our food vendor fair. Uh, now is our sixth annual and that's out at the stalling center at our food incubator. Uh, bring your stretchy pants. That's a good time to sample all kinds of good things that they're making
at the food incubator. Annual Netfest, 27th annual Netfest will happen in March this year. Um, we will still have the chili cookoff and it will probably be a little chilly in March, so uh we won't be sweating uh at times. So, a little bit earlier this year. And then grow
Pasco also in March also sixth annual event will be at St. Leo and that's a all day event of um different u uh entrepreneurial programs and speakers and workshops for our small business. Uh I'm going to cruise right into the penny
for Pasco in the interest of of time. Uh you also have in your packets the metrics for each of the individual items that we do but you can stop me if you've got a question on this. This is the ribbon cutting for Smitecch, uh the company out of the UK. Uh the gentleman
with the tie and the shorts on is the uh the inventor. >> Oh boy. >> Um and very much an inventor. Um but he is now uh located as a Pasco County and that is at the Wesley Chapel uh Grove Center. Uh Ready Sites got included in
40 responses this year in RFPs for companies looking for a site to locate. My uh is now starting to do their groundwork. If you've been out to Boduko, Boduko's gone vertical. We got a lot of vertical stuff going on right now. Um that was probably one of the
biggest highlights as well too that I need to mention is Boduko coming to us and saying we're not just going to build what we said we were going to build. We're going to expand beyond that. And that was a reflection of the welcome that they had from this community and the ease in doing business and the cost
savings they have by moving here. Um, we had 29 different site inquiries, uh, 40 responses I mentioned before in RFPs for ready sites, 27, uh, presentations to developers, site selection consultants,
uh, for projects for those sites. So you remember it took us a good 5 years to get that site program up and going, but now we've had um we've had Amazon's robotics center, we've had Boduka, we've had Mitec um we've had several now they're taking advantage of the sites
that we've prepared. So it's got traction, it's getting legs and people are looking at it internationally. Um, we convened a round table with our local partners, uh, including the port and airport. See what the trends are, what trade lanes they're looking for that our
companies can take advantage of, and where we might go on missions, uh, to do some of those business connections in the future. Um, also we have now two free trade zones in Pasco County. I don't know if everyone realizes that, but HIT Promotions, which was one of the
spec buildings uh next to Gary Line out in northwest Pasco, uh is the first free trade zone that we've had in quite some time uh here in Pasco County. And we just signed um uh freedom um sales to a
free trade zone also. So now we have two that are free trade zones. And we can do that with other businesses, too. Free trade zone doesn't mean that the land is a zone. We can actually make the land inside somebody's building a free trade zone. So, if you're interested in that,
send them our way or if you know people that are interested. Uh export counseling sessions. Uh spoke to 55 unique companies helping them to find markets overseas. We had two outbound trade missions where we take the companies abroad and eight trade events
over the year. uh enhanced marketing. Again, the hits that we were getting on the website were partially a reflection of that, but peer recognition, too. So, the awards that we got earlier with the IEDC and the FEDC were all centered around how we're doing
in marketing compared to our peers around the United States. Reminder, there's 16,000 agencies that do what we do in the United States. So, getting awards from uh from the cream of the crop means a lot to us and and to my team, and I'm really proud of them for that, too.
and our workforce uh connect program continues to help people where it it really makes the most difference and that's the jobs and and making sure that our employers can access the jobs even with all the people moving here. Uh we still need to make sure we get the right person for the right job and Workforce
Connect does that for them. uh Smart Start. We uh again we're able to be part of the um Scallop Fest this last year and we had some of our vendors or our um uh our kitchen uh uh incubator members
came out and served some food and and I think you also had Dre again. >> Chef was awesome >> doing awesome stuff. Some jerk scallops I think we had. Uh >> he had an open grill going with the point distillery spiced rum combination was phenomenal. but he was engaged with
all the people there. Did a great job. >> What a great way to market Pasco County, too. And right before lunch where we're all getting hungry. Um, we also had some uh a hands-on workshop at AMS Skills uh during this last co um uh quarter and
our co-starters for causes graduated as well too. We had the uh second cohort come through of nonprofits that we teach them how to scale their business. All in all, Smart Start in the incubators really busy, 1473 participants. My hometown was only 1,200
people. That's a lot of people that have come through the doors of of Smart Start over the past year. Uh we have 88 members right now and that's across the three locations and countywide. Uh we gave out four microloans total on $101,000.
Uh we've got probably about $2.5 million on the street doing work right now through the microloan program and we've provided 454 individual counseling sessions with those companies that were stuck or needed help.
And that's the team. Um we've got one new team member since uh since I saw you last and his name is uh Tomas and he's out in our Dade City incubator. comes to us from Colombia and uh which is works really well since you know our incubator
there is in Tommy town and uh largely Spanish-sp speakaking area um so we're really thrilled to have him on board but I will stop there for questions in the interest of time >> if I could uh any question of the if you can hold on them because we got a presentation still that's coming up
right behind it unless you really want to press on it commission >> I I just want to say one thing >> sure commission >> I just want to make sure you know we um participate ated in the EDA grant for um what was it? No, David um gosh, he just contacted me yesterday. The wave,
>> they're going for a big EDA grant um that has to do with McDell and Soft Works and all that. So, um we gave I think $100,000 because they have to it's a matching grant. >> Yeah. Yeah. We we signed a support letter for it as well too. >> Yeah. So, we we hope for good things out of that.
>> That and the wave is an accelerator. So, a little bit different than what we do in the incubator. It's for the next level, >> right? >> Okay. >> Awesome. Thank you again. Appreciate it. >> All right. Merry Christmas. >> Merry Christmas. >> All right. R74, Madame Clerk.
>> Thank you. Yes. Um R74 is the quarterly investment summary report for the quarter that ended September 30th, 2025, which is the end of the county fiscal year. We have um coming up to the podium Sean Ganon. He is the institutional sales and relationships manager with
PFM. PFM manages a portion of the investment portfolio. And we also have Matt Lazar. He is the finance director of my office and he and his team also manage the other portion of the investment portfolio. So I will go ahead and hand it off and let the gurus give
you the update. >> All right. Great. Thank you. So, uh, you know, for the makeup of the presentation, I'll give a brief market update. Um, Matt will come in and talk a little bit about the the overall investments and I'll come in, uh, specifically with the regards to the
portfolio that we manage. Um, but you know, this slide here is a good quick hits, some good highlights for what we've seen recently in the markets. Um, and just to recall, the portfolio that that we uh, PFMS management, we manage for you all is operating funds. It's capital reserves. It's shortterm. Uh
it's not related to pensions. There's no stocks uh in in there. Um so uh it's very dependent on labor news, macroeconomic news as well as the Fed. Uh so talk a bit about that as well. Um but the the overarching story, excuse
me, uh the overarching story recently has been about the labor market. And I actually thought Mr. Cronin example was uh fantastic because what we've seen here and what he touched on in Pasco County is actually happening across the country. There are corporations moving
and coming in places, but they're not hiring as many people. Um the data that we used to get from the Bureau of Labor Statistics has not been as readily available uh with the government shutdown and and issues there. Um, so we've had to start relying on private
data sources such as ADP. Um, and actually indeed.com does a a uh study that they do where they they point to new postings uh and then different data points they collect on whether there's a salary listed in the posting or not. Um,
so the trend has been mildly concerning when it comes to labor and that's really been the driving force for the Fed's policy. And if you recall, the Fed policy dictates a lot of the investments that that we touch uh that Matt and his team manage because it it impacts
interest rates. And in the short-term fixed income world, they move pretty quickly. When the Fed makes movements, yields on short-term bonds also move quickly. So, um they're actually meeting today. So, they meet today and tomorrow, uh the final meeting of the year, and
they will decide what they're going to do with interest rates. uh there was yesterday about a 95% chance they were going to cut interest rates. So the expectation is that they will do that third and final cut of the year uh tomorrow. Uh what this does and the
impact this will have is as advalorum receipts come in as new investments are made um those investments are going to be made at at 25 basis points or a quarter percent lower than we would have been able to make them today or yesterday. So uh that's the the the main impactor here happening you know in
regards to your portfolio. Uh and on the next slide here I'll touch on uh the yield curve and not to go too in depth here but you see that it's shaped like a Nike swish. Uh that's because there is a lot of pressure downward on interest rates with the expectations of um jobs
being cut. Uh there is challenges in the labor market. Uh folks have uncertainty. So when there's uncertainty, they often don't load up on uh salaried employees. It's it's difficult to uh you know, not to be you insensitive, but difficult to
cut an employee when you started paying them a salary. Uh so it's a a you know, a cost that a lot of folks are not willing to take on in the current moment. Uh but we'll see if if that uh changes here once once the the ship writes itself. Um, and it's pretty brief
on the market update, but do you all have any questions before I pass it back to Matt to talk about the portfolio? >> No. Carry on. >> Perfect. Matt Lazar, finance director. So, uh, Madame Clerk, I realize next time we should bring a giant check
because we can put cool numbers on there. That'll probably help this conversation for next time. But what I'm going to do here is I'm going to marry the report you're seeing here uh to the quarterly summary investment that is part of your board packet. >> It's not it's not as effective when it's their money. >> They'll be excited. I haven't got there
yet though. It's unexpected. So you'll be excited. That's right. >> Um so what you're seeing here presented uh if we start in the top left, you're seeing the diversification of the portfolio that the clerk's office manages. And that is from a high level. the different investment partners that
we work with closely, including PFM. Um, having those conversations and and making sure that we're also diverse in where those investments go. There's two different types of diversification. We don't just want to say we're diverse and show you different investment partners. We do get the data to show where that
investment is going. And that is important because we don't want to be too oversaturated in one market. uh we want to kind of spread out any impacts especially when the Fed is meeting and they don't give us a lot of information. We want to sure we minimize any impacts um that we have there. So that is from
the diversification perspective. As we go lower down on that chart, you're going to see that is the county's investment portfolio which currently stands uh at $1.9 billion. um you have the unrestricted portfolio which is 1.3 billion and then restricted
uh from the means of we'll look at it as a from debt service perspective of about 500. So when you look at those two numbers a large chunk of the county's portfolio currently sits as unrestricted not meaning it's not committed to a certain special revenue project but that
is deemed unrestricted from debt service. So, we look closely at that information obviously in compliance with Florida statute as well as the county's investment policy that gives us the four corners of where we manage the investments. Um, we we look at the different cash flows, right? We know at
the beginning of a fiscal year, we see an influx of revenues from tax revenues. So, being ahead of the game so we can make those investment decisions to maximize what the county is going to receive in return. And this is where that cool check would come into play
because for the uh past uh quarter four uh ended September 30, the county experienced $13 million in realized earnings with just over 11 million of that being in the unrestricted portfolio. And for the fiscal year,
excuse me, that I'm just so excited. I guess the fiscal year that extend ended September 30, we saw a total of $80 million in realized earnings. Over 66% of that was within the unrestricted portfolio. Um, and >> how much was that?
>> 66% so just over it was 80 million total for the year and then it's about 53 million in unrestricted funds. And we heard you loud and clear at the last meeting so I can actually give you some more details. Right. the general fund of
that 53 million uh or 80 million toller $12 million went to the general fund this year. Um as you guys are aware interest earnings are they're in flux. You don't know what that's going to be. So that is a conser the county wisely budgets very conservatively. So the
budget for those group of funds was $4 million. So over budget three times more went into the general fund uh than what was budgeted. Um, so >> I didn't call this in any of my budget hearings. Do any of you
>> I don't remember hearing anything about this. Thank you very much. >> I am so sorry. So there is that. >> That would be the check to break. >> Yeah, that's why. See now you guys would have been impressed with a giant check. >> I'm hearing mil I'm hearing millage rate reductions is what I'm
>> That didn't come from the clerk's office. So, but that also what we do from the clerk's office as interest earnings come in those that is quarterly. We take a look at those interest earnings and those are allocated to the different funds. So, it would make sense that the general fund would see a large chunk of those
earnings because it goes based off the equity that a fund puts in. The general fund is a large operating fund so it's going to see that large increase. um along with the file fire services MSTU which also saw about another um I want
to say $3 million in um revenues from just the interest earnings side. So that just to we've heard you at the last board meetings kind of where does that money go? That is where those those sit as we go through the quarterly process. So I will pause there and you can
pretend I had the big check but any questions before I move to the next slide here? >> Any questions? >> I I had one question >> Mr. Turkey. >> What's a Florida Palm? >> That is a local government investment pool uh similar to the Florida Trust or Florida. >> I don't know what that is, but it's
called Palm. >> Mhm. >> Yes. It it um it is the investments that the schools created. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I I remember when that was crashing when I was chair of the school board and I had to make a decision whether to keep the school board's money in or not.
>> Well, it's well it's high performing now. >> Yeah. We stayed in. We kept it from crashing. Pasco County and we got our money back. >> Okay. >> That was when I think everything was crashing. S was crashing >> like 20 207 208 somewhere around in there. >> Yeah. U right here.
>> That was that was rough. That was rough times. >> Next slide. All right. On the next slide, this will be really brief. This is just the county's investment policy in picture form. So, uh, in the gray outline bars, that is the restriction of the different sectors of investments
that the county allows per the policy. Shaded in blue is where the county, uh, sits as of September 30th. So, you can see we're well within the uh, the allowable limits for the various investments. And that is a big part of monitoring cash flows because as money
comes in, that can really shift those bars a lot. So, making sure we're putting in different buckets as necessary. So, we monitor cash flow, which you'll see in schedule two of that investment packet. And then if you had any other questions or want to see further detail, schedule five goes into
further detail on the different types of investments, especially when it comes to different uh investment pools, local government investment pools. Um, I will turn it back over to Sean unless you guys have any other questions for me. >> Any questions? >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you, Matt. And um Commissioner Starky, the the reason you may not recognize Florida Palm is because it went through a name change. Uh so it used to be Florida Education Investment Trust Fund. >> Yeah. >> And it was created in 2010. So >> I was I'm thinking you were probably thinking with the SBA when it um >> SBA is the one that exploded.
>> That was the one that exploded and broke the buck. You couldn't get your money out like they had locked it down. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We stated stabilized it. So, um, just to to touch on on this slide, I know we're, you know, short on time, but the the two data points that I want to touch on are yield at cost and
yield at market here. Um, so they're in that top left table. They're kind of, you know, a few lines down, but yielded cost represents a number where it is actual earnings expected from the portfolio, the longer duration fixed income portfolio uh, that we manage. Yielded cost represents if on 9:30 when
this report was generated, what would the market give for that mix of securities that you see in the top right? So that that's a diversified, you know, the different sectors that would be. Um, so as you can see, your portfolio is outperforming pretty handily when it comes to uh the the
comparison of of yield at cost, you know, actual represented yield versus the yield at market. Um, so a nice number we like to see there. It's expected to continue to decline as interest rates move downward and there's reinvestments and there's maturities and
payowns. So, um that number the yield of market number moves more quickly. It changes every single day. You cost changes on a a trade date if there is a maturity, a purchase, a sale, something like that. Um and to look at the the performance
numbers for the uh quarter, one year and and other various time metrics. Uh just to touch on this briefly, you know, there is outperformance in the the you know all aspects of the the total return here. Um you know Matt touched on interest earnings. So I'll be fairly
brief on this slide. Uh the real benefits to or or um addatory sectors were were corporate notes. Um so historically they've given around 50 to 60 basis points of spread um above a treasury. So a treasury is yielding 4%.
uh corporate note often will yield somewhere around 4.5%. So being able to diversify across sectors um by different names, you know, very high credit quality, double A, single A, uh AAA, uh has been very beneficial to the performance of the county's portfolio.
Um and again last just look at this portfolio specifically. Um this is the interest income, the acred interest income uh for again for the portfolio that PFM manages. Uh this does not include the restricted funds that that Matt alluded to. Uh this does not
include any of the LGIP balances. So this is just the portfolio. Um and and one note, you know, we have worked very closely with with staff to ensure that as interest rates are expected to decline, we are taking a
look at at liquidity, taking a look at upcoming projects and determining if we can put any funds further out and lock up higher interest rates before we expect interest rates to move downward. Um which is where everybody really expects them to go. You saw the yield curve. You saw that the Fed again
meeting today and tomorrow. everybody is kind of on this downward trajectory. So as we look to extend duration uh in aggregate and as we look to add to the this portfolio um to you know hopefully retain some of these budgeted interest income numbers uh because they will be
coming down as interest rates come down and that's just a a natural function of the cyclicality of the interest rate market. Um so with that I'll wrap up unless there's any questions. >> Any questions? Okay. Well, great news.
You guys are doing a phenomenal job. I know for years we've been working on this, but it's going great right now. So, keep up the good work. Thank you. All right. >> Thank you. >> We'll break for lunch. Back at 1:30. >> Okay. >> I'm going to also legal. If you suspect an illicit
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absolutely doesn't remember. >> I now call back to order the Basco County Board of Commission's meeting December 9th, 2025. Please silence all electronic devices and mute your phones. We'll proceed to public hearing starting with ordinances. Item P79.
>> P79, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, September 3rd, 2025, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from the October 21st, 2025 BCC meeting to today. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. Nectarios
PTOs, Planning Development, Economic Growth. Item P79 is PD260027. This is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 10 from RO retail office
residential to IL industrial light on approximately 4.18 acres of real property located on the south side of Stone Road approximately 500 ft east of the intersection of US Highway 19 and Stone Road and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer serverability and an effective
date. This comes to you with a recommendation to accept public comment and adopt the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and ordinance by roll call vote and there's a presentation if desired. >> Uh would the board like to hear a presentation? >> No. >> No. Just one question, Mr. Chair. >> Okay. >> With local provision. >> It's in there.
>> Thank you. >> All right. >> All right. No presentation needed, I guess. And hear from the applicant. Oh, no. No applicant, I guess. Okay. Barbara Willilhight 6327 Graham Boulevard um for the applicant and I'm
available if you have any questions. I don't have a particular presentation. >> Okay. >> All right. This is a public hearing. Is anyone here from the public to speak to this item? >> No online. >> Move approval. >> Have a motion.
>> Second. >> Motion is second. All in favor say I. >> I. Roll call. >> Roll call vote. Sorry. >> District one. Commissioner Oakley. >> I. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Starky. >> I. >> District four, Commissioner Joerger. >> Hi. >> District five, Chairman Mariano.
>> I. >> Item P80. >> P80, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, October 5th, 2025. >> Item P80 is PTE 260022. This is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending
the Pasco County Land Development Code section 1302.2 two mobility fees to clarify that the 2025 mobility fee schedules do not expire on December 31, 2025 and amending other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer
providing for severability inclusion into land development code in an effective date. This comes to you with a recommendation to accept public comment and adopt the proposed land development code amendment and ordinance by roll call vote. >> Okay. >> And there's a presentation if if needed
like a presentation. Okay. Is there anyone in the audience here to speak to this item? >> Anyone online? >> No one signed up. >> Back to the board. >> Move approval. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> Roll call again. Sorry. >> District one, Commissioner Oakley.
>> I. >> District two, Commissioner Waitman. >> District three, Commissioner Starky. >> I. >> District four, Commissioner Joerger. Hi. >> District five, Chairman Mariano. >> I. >> Item P81. P81, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, November 19th, 2025,
and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Item P81 is PDE 2600021. This is an ordinance amending the Pas County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map, map 2-15, and sheet
18 from RES 6, residential six dwelling units per gross acre to IL industrial light on approximately 1.8 8 acres of real property located at the southeast corner of the intersection of Alderman Lane and Rowan Road and providing for additional text amendments as necessary
for internal consistency providing for repealability and an effective date. This comes to you with the recommendation to accept public comment and adopt the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and ordinance by roll call vote. >> Okay. Would the board like a presentation? >> No, thank you chair. Just question
Terry. So is this prop this 1.8 acres. Is this property associated with uh uh the Asphalt Solutions Company? Because if it's tied into a larger piece of property that we need to look at adding the live local act provision on the 1.8 if it's going to expand if we
could I don't know if we can see the zoning on the property to the south if it's all going to tie in together and it be a footprint to >> what zoning does that piece of property have? That's what I'm trying to >> I I I don't think it is, but we'll let
the applicant speak to it. >> Good afternoon again, Barbara Wilhight, 8627 Graham Boulevard for the applicant. The applicant when I first started on this journey was the Deeb family and now it's the Keely family. Um, and this is only parcel that they own. They don't
have any relationship with any of the parcels around them. >> My map are stuck, but what's the zoning to the property directly to the south? Holly, it's called uh C2. I'm trying.
>> The south is uh C1 and C2. >> What about the north? >> The north is AR. >> Yeah, it's a house. >> But it's fun. Very funky >> due to the two bottom >> the zoning of the two bottom parcels
even though it's existing which you're going to be okay with putting the lilac provision on the 1.8 8 acres in case we have something that comes in in the future to this house and they try to marry the parcels. >> The south already has a building on it. Commissioner,
>> I'm aware of that. Okay. >> But if an investor comes in and purchases that property to the south and they pro purchase this vacant land to the north, marry the two together and they put a combine it to do a live local. I'm concerned that there's a potential that they could tie together
the other and put a live local pie. I'm not saying they will. I'm just being cautious or it's up to the flavor of the board. If it's not worth it, then we just >> Well, this MPD has the live local condition on it. >> It's in the zoning. It's in the MPD zoning.
>> Um, so we have made provision for this parcel and that's really all we can control today is this parcel. >> Okay. >> Okay. Well, that's on there. I'm Okay. >> Okay. >> Right. Okay. So, if they did purchase this one, they this parcel would be subject to live local, which would foil any plans.
>> That's what I'm trying to do. Spoil the plans. >> It would foil their >> Great terminology. >> Thank you, Miss White. And you're Christmas red. >> Christmas. Um, >> can I Yeah. Did you say that that parcel and I see the address here is at 12
356 Moss Lake Loop is a business, not a house. >> To the south of this parcel. To the south as a business. Yes. >> Yeah. To the south as a business. >> Okay. >> I'll move probably public comment.
>> Yes. Okay. Uh applicant do want to say any more? >> Okay. Anyone here from the public like to speak to this item? >> See back to the board? >> Approve. >> Second. >> Call the role, please. >> District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> I. >> District two, Commissioner Waitman. >> District three, Commissioner Starky.
>> Hi. District 4, Commissioner Joerger. Hi. >> District 5, Chairman Mariano. >> I. >> Item P82. >> P82, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, October 1st, 2025, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.
>> Item P82 is PD260010. This is an ordinance amending the pass county comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 20 changing from res 3 residential three volumes for gross acre to com commercial on approximately 3.68 acres of real
property located at the northeast corner of the intersection of landlakes boulevard and wisteria loop and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for a repeal of serverability and an effective date. This comes to you with recommendation to accept public comment and adopt the proposed
comprehensive plan amendment with and ordinance by roll call vote and there's a presentation if necessary. Right. Anyone presentation? Uh does the applicant want to speak to the item? >> I'm good. >> Okay. All right. Go to public comment. Anyone here from the public like to
address this item? >> I I just have one question. >> Mr. Turkey. >> Uh, on which side will there be? I think the multi-use path is on that side. >> Yes, it's on the east. >> And is that Sorry, I didn't read this to
that degree. Is that captured in here? >> This is a comp comprehensive plan. >> Okay. So, when they come in for >> on the zonings on the site plan, yes, because it'll likely be a Uklitian resoning. >> Okay. Because there's one coming down Wisteria and certainly wanted to connect
with that. Okay. Okay. Uh, any of the comments? All right. So, we check for public comment. Anyone online for public comment? >> No one's online. >> Okay. Back to the board. >> Move approval. >> Second. >> Call the role, please. >> District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi.
>> District two, Commissioner Waitman. District three, Commissioner Starky. >> Hi. >> District four, Commissioner Joerger. Hi. >> District five, Chairman Mariano. >> I. >> Item P83. >> P83, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, September 3rd, 2025.
Item P83 is PD260002. This is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code. Section 522.9 Connected City Master Plan Unit Development District. Section 901 infrastructure standards. Section 901.1
Transportation Corridor Spacing. Section 901.6 Street Design and Dedication Requirements. Section 901.7 bicycle facilities. Section 901.8 pedestrian facilities. Appendix A definitions and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability
inclusion into the land development code and effective date. This comes to you with a recommendation to accept public comment and adopt the proposed land development code amendment and ordinance by roll call vote. Uh since uh the last since the first hearing, this item has undergone a little revision. PD PDE
amended the list of allowable construction materials for boardwalks to include composite decking. >> Nice. and we worked with uh area stakeholders to uh accomplish that. So that was an addition since the first public hearing. >> Okay. Any questions for staff?
Okay. This is a public hearing. Anyone here from the public like to speak to this item? Anyone online? >> No one online. >> All right. Back to the board. Move approval. Second. >> Roll call, please. >> District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi. >> District two, Commissioner Waitman. Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Starky.
>> I. >> District four, Commissioner Joerger. Hi, District 5 Chairman Mariano. >> I now we'll proceed to the public hearings. Will the county attorney please review the procedure following procedures for zoning? >> Be happy to, Mr. Chairman. There are two reasoning agendas, regular and consent.
Staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition, the application will be considered by the board without further presentation. If staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if
there is opposition to the application, the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation, the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff or
planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the resoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all resoning
applications will be on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. You wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi judicial public hearings. The law in Florida is that mere public support or
opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code. Madame clerk, would you like to swear the public in, please? >> Yes, I will. Everyone, please stand if you'd like to speak.
Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give is the truth. So help you God. When you come to the podium to speak for the record, please indicate whether you have been sworn, state your name and address and spell your last name. Thank you.
Today we have two public hearings on the consent agenda and two items that are continuations. We'll start with P4 P84 continuence. >> This item was not noticed properly and will be continued. >> So, so item P84 is PD26 CU09. This is a
conditional use in the name of Bear Creek Group Home Elevated Youth Services, which is a conditional use for a residential treatment and care facility in R4 Highdensity Residential District. And the request is to continue to the January 20, 2026 uh board of county commissioners meeting
at 1:30 p.m. or soon thereafter as may be heard in Newport Richie. >> Move to continue. >> Second. Have a motion to continue. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Okay. P85. >> P85, proof of publication, Tampa Bay
Times, October 1st, 2025. >> P85 is PD 267888. This is a zoning amendment in the name of CL Shady Hills MPUD by 49 acres incorporated. It's a resorting request from C2 General Commercial District to MPUD master plan unit development
district and the request is to continue it to a date uncertain. >> Move the continued date uncertain. >> Second. Have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Okay. P86. >> 86, proof of publication, Tampa Bay
Times, November 19th, 2025, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. >> P86 is PD260125. This is an appeal of the planning, development and economic growth department final determination regarding
non-conforming use determination of 12 improved camper and RV sites uh by the naturist religious society incorporated and uh Miss Mrs. Tol will be presenting uh this appeal. Good afternoon. Amy Tol with planning
development and economic growth. Before you is PTE 26-0125. It's the appeal of of non of a non-conforming use determination, excuse me, of 12 improved camper RV sites. It is in the name of the Naturist Religious
Society, Inc. So, the request uh was an appeal of the final determination of a non-conforming uh use determination to allow for 12 improved campers or RV sites within the naturist uh community. The future land
use is res 3 residential three dwelling units per gross acre. The zoning is currently AR agricultural residential district and PTE recommends uh to deny the appeal and uphold the planning development and economic growth department's final determination.
Location of the site is within the area of Buckley Loop approximately located uh 1300 ft north of Fairwinds Road and 700 feet east of Colony Road. I'll show you an a visual of what that looks like. So, subject sites located within the North
Market area. Here's a basic concept map of the overall area. The subject site is going to be depicted um as a large piece of the nature society uh religious society area because it's a portion of this
parcel ID. So, here is the red area i.e. the subject property which is the parcel ID associated to the proposed request. However, I'll do a little zoom. The subject site is this area in question.
Subject request. So, here's just a vicinity map. So, again, the approximate location of the 12 improved campers or RV sites is highlighted in red right here. Uh to the
north is Palmwind MPU and to the east is Palmwind MPU with Fairwinds Road to the south and Colony Road to the west. The existing future land use map here is a res 3
and the existing zoning is AR and we'll go through that. Those are not applicable. And with that, we recommend approval with conditions of the requested. Actually, this is the wrong recommendation, too. We would recommend, let me pull it up from my notes. I'm
sorry. So, the recommendation is to deny the appeal and uh support the planning and development final determination that was made on May 30th. And I have a couple visuals if you have any questions that are specific to the plat. Um they are
uploaded into the agenda if you've had an opportunity to review those. Otherwise, I have pulled those out separately to give just a little extra context. Um so, uh Gina, can you zoom in just a little bit? So, this is the approved uh Florida Naturist Park plat.
On this plat, as you can see, it is already platted out. Um, however, the area that's in question is right here. Um, Gina, can you zoom into the area specifically, please? The original intent, or at least it appears that the original intent of this
platted, unrecorded subdivision, um, is that it was intended to be the park area for the nature society. And so, this is where the RVs are now situated. Uh, additionally in the review, um, this is set forth in the agenda memo as well.
Uh, the historical areas do not support that the, uh, 12 RV spaces have been in place since before 1975. I do have Mapper available to go through those areas. If you are interested, >> I want you to go to pass. >> Okay.
and actually drop some pins on. I mean, yeah, look at look at >> Sure. >> So, what's going on there at Buckley Loop and Sally Lane? >> That is the 12 RV spaces that are are
claiming that they've been uh in place since 1975 and requested a non-conforming determination, which is not the case, at least from our uh historical research. So, here's the aerial. This is the most recent aerial showing the 12 RV spaces, but we can go
down to in the 90s. Sure. Try 1998. It'll take a minute for it to load. You might have to zoom out just a moment. Yeah. So, zoom in until it doesn't. Yeah. So, the space one more out. Sorry. I know it's how
it's uh pixelated and it's going to be this area right here. >> Are are these people on are they on septic? >> Um great questions. Yes. Thank you.
And so this is the 1998 Ariel. As you can tell, there's not 12 RV spaces. Only a couple are there. Um, let's go through the 2000s, >> Amy, if I could. >> Sure. >> So, I saw all all your pictures and I I see exactly why we don't think it is.
When I look at the pictures the uh applicant submitted, um I look at the 1973, I don't see anything there. >> Correct. >> I go to 77, I see some things there. >> Okay. >> Did the approval have to be done or was it just have to be shown that they were
there before 75? uh consistently before 75. >> Okay. >> Is this a gated community? >> Uh I'm not I'm not 100% sure. I would assume yes since it's a naturist
society. I would recommend the board take the uh appellants case and then and then ask your questions of of the applicant and of of staff subsequent to public comment. >> Okay. So, the applicant asked me for 10
minutes extra or 10 minutes time to speak. So, I'm going to grant that for them so they can put a their information together. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Thank you. Afternoon. Thank you, chairman, commissioners.
Thank you for having me today. My name is Jared Shar. I'm an attorney from Dade City. I'm a fourth generation resident of Pasco County, and I'm here today to speak on behalf of my clients, Arthur Gulvin, Glenn Gulvin, Robert Gulvin, and their sister Joyce Stigerwald. The four
children of a man named Ward T. Gvin. Who was Ward T. Gvin? Ward moved to Pasco County and bought property in the middle of the 1950s and incorporated something called the Naturist Religious Society in 1958. It's right there on Sunbiz for anybody
to see. He bought about 220 acres in three or four transactions in the 1950s and he transferred those properties into the name of the corporation that still holds title today. That company, the Naturist Religious Society, dates back to 1958. It was purchased, developed,
improved, and operated as a nudist park. That's what it is. It's what it was. >> Before you get too much further, you have been sworn. >> I have. So, yes, sir. I My apologies. >> Just for the record. >> Yes, sir. >> I encourage you to Google the definition of the word naturist. I did it. And it
actually means a person who goes naked where possible in designated or appropriated areas. I didn't know that until I took this matter on. So, Mr. Gulvin and he cobbled together this 200 some odd acres right down the street here in Hudson and set about making it usable. You can imagine what it looked
like in the 1950s. He did all the things that you would expect. He cleared trees. He built roads. He platted lots. You see all of the when the matter was zoomed out, you could see all of the little lots. He even tamed the fictitious name Florida Naturist Park for marketing purposes. This was a man that was ahead
of his time in 1958 for marketing to naturists as it were to come visit. Um, and it was clear what kind of property it was and it was clear what kind of a guests he was soliciting. Um, so they sold off these small lots
that were plotted uh platted way before the zoning code. Um, you can see the tiny little lots on the map there. Uh, and when the county came out to inspect those lots back in 1992, Fred Louns, the very first zoning administrator, >> I remember Fred >> for for Pasco County, made a personal
visit to the Florida Naturist Park. He acknowledged all of this predated the zoning code, gave it his blessing, and allowed the lots to be grandfathered in as small lots of record. That's ancient history. Uh, in your attachment, exhibit B, materials I provided for today's hearing, the very last page, you'll see
a letter uh, to that effect. um that essentially from Miss uh what was it? Mrs. Zepetti 23 years ago acknowledges those findings from 34 years ago. So this is not something that the county is just now learning about. Um this business cruised along. Uh Ward had
seasonal guests. Um there was a clubhouse and fishing and swimming and he had the park area which contrary to the county's uh I I I guess their assumption because they certainly don't have anything to support their conclusions. Um, that's where the campers set up. Imagine this business.
Imagine this venture without a camping area. There's no lodge. There's no hotel. There's nowhere for anybody to stay. It's it's almost counterintuitive. It's it to suggest that there wasn't an area where folks were going to set up their tents and their little primitive campers. And again, we're in the 1960s
at this point. Um, so this is important because the question before you today is as was pointed out earlier is whether this camping operation existed prior to December 1, 1975. That's that's the only question before uh this body today. Um,
we already know that the small lots predated December 1, 1975. That's why they were grandfathered in. Uh, what my folks have told the county and are here to tell the county again today is that this camping area has always been there. Why wouldn't it have been there? Um, in
the early days there was no infrastructure. Understand it was just like any other startup business. I know some of you folks and I know some of you folks are business owners. Did your business look the way it does today the day that you open the door? Certainly not. I know
mine did not. But you do what you can do with the resources that you have. The naturist uh Florida Naturist Park has exactly the same story. You build the clubhouse. You clear some roads. You clear some trees, you put in a pitcher pump well so that when the guests arrived, they have a place to get fresh
water. And then you tell them the camping area is right over there. There were no paved spaces. There were no electrical hookups. There were no septic hookups. There was no water. But that was the camping area. Always has been from day one. Ward Gulvin managed to
install the original septic dump tank in the 1960s, though we don't have an exact date on that. uh for the express purpose of emptying camper tanks. When you're done with your stay, you empty your tank into the septic and you pull it on down the road. It wasn't until 1975 when Mr.
Goldman could finally get power to the site. Um and that's when he in really started installing some of the infrastructure as we know it. As you can imagine, electricity pretty big deal. Exhibit B about halfway through you'll see a letter from with Lakuchi River Electric July 1975 confirming Mr. Golden
established power for this site. And as you can imagine, with the electricity comes a lot of opportunity. A lot of opportunity to improve things. So for over 15 years at that point, the camping area was just that. It was just an area. That's all. No designated sites, no
hookups. You park under the trees, you set up your rig, you dump your waste when you leave. Literally operated that way for almost two decades. Then the improvements started to be made. Electrical hookups installed, proper septic system installed. Eventually, there were designated sites for the campers as these hookups and
infrastructure as it became more refined and more modernized just like any other business incrementally a little bit at a time. Then in the early 90s, Ward Gulvin had a stroke and he was unable to continue day-to-day operations of the park. So, he looked to his children, three of
which are are here today. Um Art Gulvin with me today. He's run a majority of those field operations in that park since that time, since the early 90s. And up until recently, he thought he had an ally in county government for very good reason. County government knows all about this park. They've issued permits
and approvals and done inspections until very recently when county government decided unexpectedly that none of the 50 years of documented history of this park exists anymore. they've at least turned a blind eye to it or trying to pretend that it doesn't exist, which is quite an
extraord extraordinary turn of events. It's why I put on the record that I'm a fourth generation resident of this county because I find the entire thing to be disappointing, for lack of a better way to put it. Shortly after Ward stroke, the county visited with a bunch of warnings. You got junk and debris
that accumulated. You need to get this stuff out of here. Stuff you guys have heard a million times. Um, so it was time for Art and his brothers and sisters go to work. It was now their responsibility to foster this thing that their father had created. They appeared before a judge. They explained, "Look, we just
need a little time. Let us clean this up. We'll bring it into compliance." And they did. Never received a citation. They spent a bunch of their own money. They spent the corporation's money. And they got this business whipped into shape. They were never fined. And as I mentioned, Art himself met with Fred
Louns on the site to talk about zoning and compliance. focus at that time was on the small lots of record. But more importantly, when all this scrutiny was on them, accumulation of junk and debris, small lots that aren't conformity with the code, all of these different things that were drawing the attention of the count, nobody ever
mentioned the camping area because it was a known thing. It'd been there quite literally since the 1950s. Not a single county official ever mentioned a word about it. The next order of business for Art and his siblings was following their
father's passing. Now they formally inherited this park. All right, we've got to improve and redevelop some of this aging infrastructure. Some of this stuff was 40 years old at that point by the time we're in the middle 90s. Um, needed updated, needed replacing again, just like any other business. So, with
the cooperation of this very government, who they thought was on the same page as them, they went to work. new septic system. Health department right here in Pasco County drove to the site, identified the existing system, worked with them to calculate how much waste they were going to generate. 12 sites,
two people per site. Here's how big your system needs to be. Here's how big your tank needs to be. Issued them a permit, performed an inspection, and approved it. All this money's been spent. The copy of the permit is in the packet, exhibit B. It's right behind the letter
from with Luchi. It's the very next item. Next, they updated the electrical panel and the service connection to all 12 designated campsites. The next page in your packet from 2013 is the building permit to change out that electrical infrastructure. Building permit that
this county issued them. They came out and inspected it. They saw the hookups. Again, nothing new, nothing unusual. These are things that were known by folks that had worked here for a while. They came out, they reviewed it, they reviewed the proposal, issued a permit, did an inspection, approved it all. 2014
quarterly drinking water test performed by the health department for this very county. Pasco County found the well to be unsatisfactory and instructed naturist religious society, hey, need a new well, drill a new well. Gave them a permit to do so. Third well started with
a pitcher pump in the 1950s, new well in 1975 when we got power, and now a third well in 2014. Again, approved and inspected by this very county. Look, if you would from the health department where it says on-site observations in packet B. Public consumption, yes. How
many people? 24. Service connections. 12. I'll leave it to your imagination to guess what those 12 service connections actually were. Again, Mr. Chairman, u my understanding was I
was getting 10 additional minutes on top of my five. Is that right? Yes. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. Like the septic, like the electric, this the the this new well, water well was proposed to the county, permitted by the county, inspected by the county, and
approved by the county. 2015, we don't have a written record for this one, but somebody visited our golden on the grounds and said, "Hey, if you got more than 10 RVs or campers on this site, you got to get yourself a a tax receipt." So, he applied for it. He paid
for it. Pays for it every single year. He's never missed a year. So by 2015, we're up to almost 50 years not only of existence and operation, but partnership with this county that have been aware of the nature's religious society as a corporation, aware of its operations,
permitted their improvements, inspected those improvements, scrutinized Ward Gulvin's pre-1975 development, scrutinized the improvements after Ward's death. All of this, five decades worth. But nobody ever tells you one day that you might wake up and have to prove
to a person or a group of people who have no frame of reference, who've never set foot on the grounds, who have no eyewitnesses, that we're going to have to prove to these people all of this history. You don't keep records. You don't prepare for something like that. So, we're doing the best that we can with what we have. We're here today to
prove our existence, which again is troubling in and of itself. As to the presentation made by the county from the meeting agenda page 1, they conclude the documents presented contain no such evidence such as plans or construction of structures for which a building permit was issued prior to December 1,
1975, which is interesting because we're talking about camping sites. There are no structures. There was nothing constructed prior to 1975, but it doesn't mean that they weren't there. Then they go on to state that even if the sites were there, the aerial images
prove that it was discontinued for more than 180 days. And all due respect, I don't think those images do anything to prove that suggestion. I've gone through all of the photographs in exhibit C, and I don't want to spend too much time on that because time is precious today. But there are items in the camping area and
every single one of those photographs, but again, this is seasonal. There might have been weeks, maybe months where they didn't have a guest. This is rural Pasco County in the early 1960s and 70s. I don't think that it was no vacancy every day all day throughout the year. That is not uh an indication that the
use had in any way been abandoned, but for their own reasons, the PTE has taken all of the evidence they could find or or or purported evidence, which again to me isn't much, and they've interpreted in a manner that works most effectively against the citizens that they're supposed to be here to serve.
And that's what I find so troubling. We're working to tear down the very people that they supported, inspected, and approved for over 50 years. These aren't some interlopers from out of town. This isn't some folks that just moved here from South Jersey last year, bought 20 acres of agricultural
property, and they stuck 12 RV sites out there in the name of agurism. These aren't people that are trying to get away with something. They're not trying to sidestep the rules. These people follow the rules and always have. They've been here four generations. Four family members who inherited this
property from their father took an oath, swore under penalty of purges, per p perjury that they grew up in and around this property and the surrounding 220 acres that these folks have been camping here since the 1960s. Their affidavit are in exhibit B, sworn to. All four of them, personal knowledge, grew up
running around barefooted around this place, saw it with their own eyes. There's not a single county employee that has seen this place with their own eyes, especially not in the 1960s or the 1970s. And you can say what you want at the top of page seven from a bunch of
people who have no frame of reference and no independent knowledge of any kind. The PTE did not give the affidavit much weight because all of the people who submitted an affidavit have a vested financial interest as officers or directors of the Naturist Religious Society Inc. So make no mistake that is
a polite and professional way of saying that you are a pack of liars. That's what they're saying. That's what they're saying. as politely and professionally as they can. We don't believe you and you're here trying to perpetrate a fraud on Pasco County. >> Passing the board, not entertaining the
crowd. >> It's a profound position to take and that's the point to look these folks in the face and tell them you are a liar. We do not believe you. We're going to scrape together some aerial photographs and tell you that your lived experience,
what you witnessed yourself, where you grew up, didn't happen, didn't exist. What your father did in the 1950s didn't happen, doesn't exist, is is again, it's it's a little profound and it's a little saddening. I'm going to close because
I'm up against time and I'm starting to get a little fired up, which I promised I wouldn't do. Um, but the PDE is ignoring these folks history. Um, you folks today have a chance to do the right thing. I'm asking you to deny the relief that's being
sought by the PTE, overturn the findings, uh, and find that the Naturist Religious Society Incorporated has been continuously operating this camping area since before the uh, zoning code went into effect on December 1, 1975. because
that's the truth and that's the only conclusion that the evidence supports. So again, I I thank you for the time today. I, Mr. Chairman, thank you for the additional time. Getting through 60 years worth of history is tough to jam into five minutes. So I I truly appreciate it. Thank you.
>> Are we able to ask questions? >> Sure. >> Okay. Um question for you. When I'm looking at the maps, and I actually had asked for a map overlaid with your maps to the the county maps just to make sure I could see it uh to where Buckley Loop was and what was there. Yes, sir.
>> Um, the pictures you submitted, I think 73, I'm trying to look to find them right now. 73 shows nothing there, but 77 does. And I'm trying to get to the exact pages. So,
did you you had from the Department of Transportation? >> I'm assuming you're speaking of photographs that were provided by PTE. I think they came from you. They're from It says Buckley Loop. This is county. >> I don't think so. >> That would be >> Oh, that's county. Okay. All right. So,
you don't have any any aerial shots? >> No. Starting in 73. And again, I'm I'm looking at the shot from 73. The Buckley Loop. I mean, there's there's clearly a camper right there. I mean, I can see it plain as day. And I think that you have to keep in mind this is rural Pasco
County in 1973 in the middle of 200 some odd acres. You pull in with your wife, you strip your clothes off to enjoy yourself on the weekend. You setting up in the shade or you setting up in the bald open. >> All those big live oaks down there to the right of the structure that you can
plainly see. Um the testimony of the Gulvin family and what I'm presenting on their behalf is that the shade was the popular spot, which is not a stretch. I mean, my goodness, who who's going to set up out there in the bald open when you've got these big, beautiful live oak trees producing all that shade?
>> Okay. All right. So, I I'll agree. In that picture, it does show that there's a trailer there, 77 as well, and the other ones as well. Uh, let me go with Luchi. Um, >> so the letter you have, it states that the new service was back in 75. Uh, does
July 15th work for the date? I think as long as it's prior to December 1. Yes, sir. >> And I don't think it's required that we have electricity. This is just a piece of evidence indicating that the operation >> trying to see if it's legit relevant or not. So,
>> yes, sir. So December 1st, 1975. If there's a building permit provided such construction is completed by December 1st, 1976. appears to be the magic language. >> So would you consider that with Luchi
Electric Service would qualify as >> it's one of the things that you can look at. Yes. >> Okay. All right. And on the back of the letter uh does have addresses all from Buckley Loop. Does that seem to be appropriate to justify the position?
So my concern is more with the abandonment for 180 days than it is I mean there appears to be evidence that that they didn't have 12 RVs out there for
more than 180 days in on multiple photographs. >> Okay. I I want to make sure I understand the standard here. Is the suggestion that there had to be 12 at all times? You couldn't undergo a seasonal change
or a period of time where maybe you had no guests, a an upstart business in the 1970s in rural Pasco County can't exist for a period of time with no customers and no guests without it being an abandoned entity. The corporation's been continuous. >> You are trying to get rights on a
non-conforming basis for 12 RV units. Yes, sir. >> That means you need 12 RV units there. >> Sure. And what I would posit is that there are probably periods of time where there were well in excess of 12 units on that property >> and that would be illegal.
>> Understood. This all predates the code. And that's that's the point. That's the overarching point here is that all of this predates any of these rules. All of this was done. All of this was known to the county. This is not something that they drove up on and discovered in 2023.
What about the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars that we've spent in a reliance on county approved permits and inspections and infrastructure in for a vested rights determination? >> Sir, >> you know why I'm here, sir.
>> Well, chair, >> you got the wrong you got the wrong venue to be arguing vested rights. Commissioner Waitman. >> All right, enough of the legal talk here. So this this place has been around for a long time, a very long time. We we
looked at when we discussed the Palm Winds project. We knew it was there. Something obviously happened that triggered the county to take a look at this little bubble in the once middle of nowhere. There's a few houses around it now. Quite frankly,
I have no problem with with there being camper sites here. Um and how there there's got to be a path a path forward. Um talk with county administrator travel park special exception. I mean this this place has
been around a long time. We continue to make decision as progress happens this county. It it squeezes out lifestyles that have been around this county. And I've talked about this time and time again. squeezes out lifestyles and the way things kind of were and and they're
they're allowed to live and let live until project comes in progress comes in and interrupts what's going on there. I think as long as it's cleaned up, there's not a pollution problem, let it live. And so I don't know if staff there's a
way there's a way forward to to to make this work. But you're you're punishing somebody and folks who've owned this property and operated a similar type of business since before what you say, Mr. Char, 60 years. >> 1958. Yes, sir.
>> So, I mean, >> 70 years, >> you know, this is this is to debate debate this is kind of it's a bit much. There's got to be a way forward. We got to be able to work with folks. This family's been around a long time. Um, so
I don't know if there's staff, Mr. Cabbal, you want to speak speak to this? >> Yeah, I can have David Engel come up. I mean, and he can talk about what that path forward could look like if they're willing to go down that path. >> Thank you, Mr. Shar. We may pull you back up, but
actually we do. Okay. >> Yeah, I do. Hang on. >> Um, is there I I was looking and I couldn't find it anywhere. Is there any on the website showing that there's RV space available? >> You're talking about on the the Naturist Resorts website? Yeah, I what I've been
led to is basically um one of one information on what Sunshine Beach Club um >> yeah, we don't have a they don't have a website. >> Yeah, because it says it's permanently closed. >> Well, it's it's not permanently closed. It's it's they they've never had a website. This is this is one of those
things that again that's been around. It's it's it's known in and amongst the uh naturist crowd as it were and they get the guests that they get and they always have and a website's not something that they've ever felt the need to to mobilize.
>> Okay. Because people uh were asking questions and then the answers were you better contact the Sunshine Beach Club administration and they'd give the number. So >> yeah, I don't know what the Sunshine Beach Club is, ma'am. I'm sorry. >> Oh, okay. Okay. Can I also >> Mr. Stark? Yes. I'm on the Facebook and
it says First Capital Realy Investments Sunshine Beach Club Nature's Park for sale 58 acres with 77 lots and existing 120 acre clothing optional subdivision.
>> Contact Dayton Johnson. Is that >> okay? There there there might be marketing efforts related to trying to sell the property. I those I'm not familiar with. >> It's got the addresses here, the norththeast corner of Colony and Fairwinds Road.
>> Sure. And it's it sounds it sounds like their real estate broker is here. he is with us and he might even be able to answer questions related to his efforts to market the property for sale, but I I can't speak to those. >> Um, is this a So, this is an RV um this
is a mobile home community or an RV travel park. >> Well, it's it's it's neither. Um, it's it it started as a a resort. And again, back in the 1950s when Mr. Golden platted this thing. If you look at the
almost the perimeter around the area in question, you'll see teenytiny little lots that they sold off to folks that wanted ownership, a place that they could come stay seasonally, things of that nature. He had a clubhouse. He had some amenities. He had things of that nature. It was never it was never really operated as an RV park or a mobile home
park. Again, it started with very humble beginnings. It started as just this is the camping area. And then as they got additional infrastructure, they improved that camping area slowly, incrementally over time. And now as it's constituted since the early 90s, I think you've got
kind of the what we would call the finished product that's with the paved sites and the hookups and everything that comes along with it. But it again, it's been it's been in consistent operation from the beginning. It's just taken on different, you know, uh different facets in terms
of of of improvement and infrastructure. So my my question to you is because if it's a travel trailer >> it can't and you know may I don't know tell me correct me it can't be there for more than six months in this county.
>> I I would defer I would defer to you on that >> structures attached to it >> that I I >> it's all about how we pay for government services and there's a difference between a mobile home and a travel trailer. >> Yes ma'am. Certainly. and and and >> I use the word what I'm seeing here from
the pictures I'm looking at. So, uh it's like a free-for-all in there. >> Okay. One of the things as we just mentioned, you may not see things in there for 6 months. Well, if it's 180 days, I mean, it's it's understandable if they
pick the best six months, then other people are going to come the other six months. So, >> as far as having this continuous would be a difficult >> Well, and it looks like we're kind of straddling the line between >> you don't have it there long enough and then on the other side of the bench it's there for too long. So, I where where do
I find that that middle ground? >> Commissioner Wman. >> Yeah. So I mean you look at our our our our district is known for some more commercialized famous nude resorts internationally famous known for and there's RV sites there
that are I mean some of those RV sites they're they're selling for a lot of money in Caliente and they're nice and they're paid and they're full hookup and people come in they're class A's and they stay for a period of time and then they they leave or they go wherever. So, um, you know, it's just a different
experience at Caliente than this one. So, there's similarities between the two. One's more resort, this is more nature. Um, so when you look at, you know, people not being there full-time,
the same things going on a little further down the road, off 41. >> Then again, they can't stay there more than >> Yeah. But I but I have travel RV parks where they've moved in permanently >> permanently. >> But we're staying right here. >> And I just
>> we need to focus on what we got here though. >> All right. Um any other questions for the applicant. All right. I see David Angel. David, you want to come forward? >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Good afternoon. David Angel, planning and economic development director. Um,
there is a path forward in our land development code. That would be via a special exception. Uh, I would point out that the applicant did apply for a special exception for this property for travel trailers and I believe 2024, but withdrew the application, but we could
we could resurrect that application and we'd be glad to have an exploratory meeting with the applicant and give them the path forward and we'd help them out. >> Let me ask >> Oh, 2004, excuse me, was >> wait. So, let me ask a question. If the board decides that this was
12 lots for mobiles, they've had it for >> RVs, >> for RVs, they've had it for all this time, do they need to go through that process? >> No. If you find them to be a non-conforming use, >> right,
>> they would be limited to the number of units that you say that they're that were non non-conforming. Um, if they wanted more than that, then they would have to go through the special exception process. >> Okay. All right. Any other questions?
All right. So, this is a public hearing. Is there anyone else here from the public like to speak? >> I do I do have one quick question. >> Oh, okay. Mr. Jagger. >> Yeah. Um, so do you already have all the um all the infrastructure there like to for the setup for the sewer and everything?
>> Oh, yes, ma'am. And like I it's it's actually turned over. I mean, we had >> Do you have a current picture of what it looks like now? >> I don't. No, ma'am. Not on me. But I did want to speak to the 2004 application because there's an important point that needs to be made there. That was not an application that was made by the owners.
That was an application that was made by a prospective purchaser that used the owner's name with their permission because they wanted to explore increasing the density. As you guys see all the time, they submitted some applications, did some due diligence, had some meetings to see if they could
increase density because it would have been an attractive piece of property for them to purchase. After their meetings kind of fizzled, they determined that it wasn't suitable for their needs, they withdrew the application. That that had nothing to do with the Gulvin family or the naturist resort, even though their
name is in fact attached to it. That's >> that was how that was presented. >> Okay. All right. All right. Uh we're going to go to public comment. >> Thank you. >> Uh anyone here from the public like to address this item? >> Okay. Does staff want to make any other
comments? >> Um I'd like to hear from Amy again. >> She says she's good. >> Well, >> do you have a question? >> I just don't have a question. I bring her up. But >> yeah, just refresh me on on why staff is recommending denial. Thank you. Amy Tol, Planning,
Development, and Economic Growth. So, the only thing that we would like to add is the fact that the reason why we're here is that there was a stipulated judgment agreement that required them to seek a non-conforming use determination. Based on the findings that they provided
to us, we could not fact check that they that the 12 RV spaces have been in place since n before 1975. >> Subjective Interesting. Chair, >> Commissioner Wman, what triggered this?
>> Uh, it was a code violation >> from where? Uh, >> I'm not sure. Off. I I can pull up the code violation if you want to give me a minute. It's up to you. >> It's buried in it's I mean, you have to work and this place has been around for a long time. >> So, I'd be curious if it if it was
county initiated or not. >> I don't have an answer that to that right now, but I can take a look at the violation. I'd like to know >> is is this area is this a gated community? >> No. >> Uh >> no. So anyone can drive through the
>> nud they may be private roads but I don't I mean it's not a gated community in the in the concept that you normally attribute it to a gated community >> site visit. Commissioner Stark. >> No >> I'm busy.
>> Yeah. and with the plat that was provided to us, this area is dedicated as a park which is also part of the parcel that is for all of the open space and the ride ofways. So based on that finding, >> well there is no dedication because it's a non-recorded plat and there is no
dedication on the plat. >> So it just says park >> and the parcel ID for the road. >> This one goes to Mr. driver. I whether it whether it's camping ground park or park as you normally would see it. I
>> precisely thank you. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. All right. So, it's to the board and uh did I ask for comment online? Any >> No comments online? >> Okay. All right. So, now it's back to the board for further discussion. >> Well, chair, I I'd be open to help
helping this property find a path forward. I have no problem with having it be 12 units and as long as you know it's a clean place and uh you know it's not polluting the environment let people camp and uh camp
how they want to. Is there a second? >> I'll help. I'll make a second. And the reason for it is it's been here for all this time. They had the electrical hookups. Um it's clearly to me shown that 12 lots should be there um and have
been there for all this time. There's seasonal flows that'll happen just with people in the summertime. They're not going to want to be done or they're going to be somewhere up north. >> I'd really like to see a picture of it today. Like is there any way to pull that up? >> I went to the We we we take away the
ability we thank you chair sorry take the ability away to have camping space you know what's going to happen come in reszone and then you take away a little bit of nature and outdoor space that that's in this area a lot of development to the north places like
this have become really you know a unique piece of our history if they're able to be saved before land comes in reszoned and densities increased so you know in a way I view this is almost like preserving some level of of park space
um and green space in our county. So there's a double edge on this >> and and I think when you look at it's people bought this land many many years ago. They've run it how they wanted to run it. This is still America. Should be able to keep doing it as long as they're
going to meet the terms of the 12 units. Uh at this point if they want to change it, they can come back and try to change it. That'll be their call. But as of right now, I think they're entitled to the 12 units just because of the history that shows they had the electoral setup. Um, areas show that there was a camp
released there before or on 1973 by the DOT map that this is has been functioning. >> So, is this what it currently looks like? >> Yes, ma'am. To my knowledge, that's an accurate depiction of what's out there.
I mean, I don't know like this morning, but >> Okay. So, so you don't have the paved sites or the Do you have the the sewer and the the water hookups and everything? >> Oh, yes ma'am. Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. So, each each site is like a designated >> correct. And that was kind of the
evolution of it over time. At first, it was just an area. >> Okay. >> You came in, you got directed to the area over by Buckley Loop set up over there anywhere because there there was no infrastructure, but now it's more traditional. If you've been to a campground, you absolutely you got to position your rig just right so that you can get power, water, sewer all hooked
up. That's the nature of it now. And again, that that kind of happened over time. >> Okay. And that's that's kind of what I wanted to know, like is it is it truly like a designated camping area where you just back in? >> Yes, ma'am. It's not a free-for-all anymore. No, ma'am. >> Mr. Oakley.
>> So, it's a they have actual sites, camping sites with the water and and the power source each site. >> Yes, sir. >> Are they designated a certain size? a certain size >> for each site. If there's 12 sites
there, how big are they? Or they are they defined? >> I can't answer to that. Uh Mr. Oakley, I don't know. >> It looks like they're pretty big. >> I mean, you've got a lot of open space. >> No way to tell from that map. >> I'm saying looks like you can get a 40ft rig as long as it's like a designated
spot for camping where you back it in and have all the hookups. >> Yeah, sure. I mean, it looks like Thanks, Chair. I mean, it looks like you even have some dry camping going on, too. I I don't know. It looks like a fun place whether you clothed or not. >> Mr. Mr. Golden tells me that I didn't know you was one of those.
>> Well, you know, you got yol yolo things you learn meeting. >> You only live once. >> Mr. Golden tells me that they're they range from 30 feet to 50 feet in length. >> I'm fine with it. >> No. >> All right. So, there was a motion and a second.
>> Can we get clarification on a motion? >> Yeah. >> Motion was Commissioner Webman. Commissioner Mariano did the second. >> Yes. It was for denial. >> No, it was for approve it was for approval of a non-conforming use for 12 units on the area shown in the application.
>> Yeah, >> that's good enough. Close enough. Close enough. >> All right. Any further discussion? All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? >> Nay. >> Nay. Okay. Motion passes 3 to2. >> It's all my business today, folks. Thank you.
>> Thank you. It's been an interesting day, Mr. Chair. Indeed. >> It's been a great first meeting for you as chair so far. >> They have the best for me. >> Brings out a lot of excitement. Okay.
>> P87. >> P87. Proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, October 1st, 2025, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Nectorios playing development economic growth. P87 is PD267882.
This is a zoning amendment in the name of Rowan Industrial MPUD master plan unit development by Rowan Road LLC. It's a resoning request from a PO2 professional office district between MPUD master plan unit development to allow for the development of 20,000 square feet of select I1 light
industrial park district uses and associated infrastructure approximately 1.8 acres. This comes to you with the recommendation to approve the proposed zoning amendment subject to attached conditions of approval. This is the companion to the earlier comprehensive plan amendment that you uh that you
heard. There's a presentation if if so desired. Commission waving >> want to ask about the little local. >> Oh well Terry guessing >> it was on there from the last No this is
a companion. So this was on here from um >> it was on >> that's where it should be in the MPD not not in the comp plan. So I'm assuming that's >> so we're we're loaded locked and loaded on live local here. Number four.
>> Thank you, chairman. >> Yes. >> Trust but verify. >> Oh, condition number 31. Yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Anyone like a presentation? >> Okay. Want to hear from the applicant? >> This is on consent. So,
>> Oh, it's on consent. All right. >> If you just ask >> moving to consent agenda. All right. You guys threw me way off. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, consent agenda. Is there any opposition from anyone in the audience? Anyone online? >> No one online.
>> Okay, we'll leave it on consent. And P88, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, October 22nd, 2025, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. >> P88 is PTE 260023.
This is a comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPA 25004, Herod Sandy Lakes. This is providing for transmitt to of a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 19 changing from res 9 residential nine drilling units per
gross acre and IL industrial light to IIL industrial light on approximately 75.017 acres of real property at located at the southwest corner of the intersection of interlocking road and gun highway. Uh this comes to you with a recommendation to authorize the transmitt of the
proposed comprehensive plan amendment to the department of commerce and other reviewing agencies. There is a presentation if so desired. >> Anyone want a presentation? >> No chair just normal question. I know the answer but live locals on this one. Thank you.
>> Okay. And any opposition from the audience? >> Anyone online? >> No one online. >> All right. Leave that on consent agenda. May I have a motion for the consent agenda? So move second. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? >> P89.
>> P89, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, November 9th, 2025 and November 16th, 2025. >> Good afternoon. Joanne Ravita, Real Property Division. Sorry. The real property team has received a
petition to vacate a portion of an undeveloped platted right ofway and utility easement filed by Compass Land USA fund 1L LP. The purpose of the vacation is to allow for the lots to be combined for future development. There were no objections to this petition. The
team recommends approval. >> Compass Land owns the property on the front. >> It owns the property. Oops. Apologies. >> It owns the property to the east of the
right of way. >> Can you put the map up, please? >> Yeah. >> They own all of the lots. They also own the tract behind the lots. Tract A. >> Tract A. A >> block 209.
You said track day A. >> You can't see it. It's behind. It's the area to the right of the utility ement. >> So, are these >> Commissioner Stark? >> Are these zoned mobile home lots? What
are what are these? >> Honestly, I don't know what they were zoned. >> How do you access any of this property? I mean, we're taking out the road that accesses the property. >> It it is an undeveloped road. You can see that there's a roadway behind it that they'll have access from.
>> They'll access Gilbert Street. >> Yes. If that's if that's the road I can't see it from here. If that's the roadway to the east of tract A. Yes, that is the access point. >> So, where the one you just you just flipped by? >> Yeah. >> Put that one back.
>> Yeah. I was looking to >> No, put the one up that that's within their agenda package, please. >> No, one more. That one. >> Yes. >> So, they'll be accessing Gilbert Street to Ember or Haden to get up to Moon
Lake. >> Yes. >> All right. Who owns the land to the left thick line all the way down to Haden? >> I believe actually Pasco County. Could you is it possible to pull that up? >> Are you going to pass a mapper over
there? >> Yes. >> Thank you. I'm trying to get it up over here. There it is. I'm not sure I want to give anything up. >> Go up into the west. Other west.
Shrink it just a bit. It's It's north of that It's north of that circle thing. >> That circle thing is Haden, right? You're on it. Um, >> are we going to check to see who owns that piece?
>> No, to the to the left side. >> To the left. Yeah. >> Well, that's us, right? >> Yeah. Should be Pasco. >> Yeah, that's our road. >> So, we own it. So, we got a road ready to come in a development right in front of it. I don't think we own it vacated, do we? >> To the Can you Gina, can you click on
the area to the left? >> Yeah, right there. and go right beside that the roadway. No, no, to the right. >> To the right and down low. Right. Just a little lower. No, you want
to go up too far. The square past the square toward the road. I'm looking at the the roadway that was down here. The big red stopped part of the way. I'm looking >> That's it. We own it. That's a >> right there. >> That's us. >> I don't think we want to vacate that. I
know. I'm >> going to come in. I'm going to have them want to come have them come down that way. I would think >> I don't want more. >> Yeah. Strange. >> The area that they're looking to vacate is an unimproved
platted rightway. Um transportation and engineering was consulted and the limits of the vacation were adjusted to comply with any future rightway needs for any future widening of the Moonlife Road. >> Huh. We haven't even built anything there yet. >> No.
I mean, if that development comes in, they're all alongside that. I want that road. I want them to put build that road. >> What do What is the applicant trying to do? And I see the attorneys behind you. >> Yes. >> Why don't Why don't we get the presentation from the applicant and see
see what their argument is? >> Hang on, Commissioner. speak. >> Is this property kin to this property we just looked at about the 12 units? >> No. >> No. >> Just so happens it's right next door. >> No, this way. >> This is Moon Lake. >> Yeah, this is Moon Lake. The other one's
about 52. >> Oh, some of that looked the same as that other project we looked at. >> When she went to map her, it started with it had the old >> because we were on that >> that graphic, you saw the the mobile homes, >> right?
just just because that's what the last thing in mapper was. >> So now now we've moved to >> Okay. All right. That's what that's >> I got you. >> Would you like to hear from the >> petitioner's attorney? >> From the applicant. Yes.
>> Thank you. Shelley Johnson, 6400 Madison Street and I have been sworn. Um just to explain what's going on. My client owns lots 6 through 18. Um if you commissioner Mar I understand what you're saying too with regards to the the Moon Lake Road rightway. This is
actually a remnant piece of rightway um that it was platted. Um facilities management and and the county and real estate have looked at it. There's nothing that it'll be utilized for. Um it's not the road's not headed that direction. You can see it kind of starts it's going, you know, obviously to the
west. Um they did try to move up. I don't know if you can tell from one of the pictures. They did try to push what they were vacating like a little bit north um of where you know it's the closest to Moon Lake Road on that southern side just to make sure that if there is anything
extra on that curve that they're going to need that they could utilize that. Um but it's it's a remnant right away from a from a plat that is never going to be used. Um and then they've got the five foot utility easement on the back that they like likewise have looked at and there's nothing that it would ever be used for as well. So, it's really just
being vacated to be added to the lots to make them larger, nicer lots. That's really >> Click on the Click on the roadway again. >> I mean, we got a whole network that's set up and now we're going to go get rid of it and change it because
the must come into the side. I mean, that's a good little layout there. >> Yeah. I mean, I the only thing I understand is facilities manage. Oh, I'm sorry. You may say nothing's going to happen to it, but with development coming in, development may be taking care of that roadway.
>> I was thinking the same thing. >> So, yeah, you you can say they just won't matter, but this is something that was laid out. I think it's a pretty good layout that could could lead to real good stuff down the road for it. So, I don't want to see it. I don't want to see it taken away. We'll never get it back.
And with developers nowadays to try to get stuff done, if you don't have the control of the land, you get nothing. >> Exactly. I mean, I would request if there's if there is concern about it. I wasn't I didn't know there was going to be an issue um that we continue it so that we can kind of discuss it a little bit
further because I do know that facilities management, everybody looked at it and they didn't see that there would be any use for it in the future. So, >> but it's this board's decision whether or not to vacate these >> propert I mean if they >> put that box so that we can see it again.
>> Thank you. >> I mean if you want to bring something back sometime I'm happy to meet with you on it. I'm sure Commissioner Jger would be happy to meet with you on it but at this moment to just vacate that roadway I don't I don't want to give up that network that was laid out. I got areas up in Hudson that have these vision
roads or roads that are laid out that haven't been developed yet, but eventually they may come and until they come out, I I wouldn't take away what was there before. >> No, I hear I understand. Yes. I mean, I guess I'll request a continuence so that we can kind of dig into it a little bit more so I can provide you even more
information about, you know, that corner and the engineering on it. Unfortunately, um, our engineer, Mr. Moody, is not here today, too, because he could probably provide a lot of insight into it as well. >> Um, when I'm looking Starky, >> thank you. When I'm looking at the map,
um that's a giant wetland. Uh see where Haden is. So, >> uh you can I mean that most a lot of that property is not even usable. I don't know why we'd give up that road. I I just I mean, no one's going to build
on that. They shouldn't be. >> Yeah. I mean, I think that was kind of the staff's when they looked at it, they felt like it was really just a remnant piece that was never >> our road looks good. Yeah. Property looks bad. >> Yeah. And that's why they tried to push it. >> Get our property because your property
looks bad. >> I mean, that's what I'm saying. I don't know. What does yellow mean? >> It's a wetland >> drainage area. >> Class one. Yeah. I don't think your client really has any property.
>> Couple of lots up there at the top. >> Yeah. You know, it'll probably be a couple nice big lots that he'll build on. >> That'd be better. >> Yeah. I mean, that's what their intention is in terms of trying to vacate this to kind of given that they are remnants and, you know, not being utilized. So,
>> so you want a continuence? >> Yeah, that's fine. If that if that's, you know, if that's if that's okay, we can kind of bring, you know, if there's concern about it, I definitely want to be able to answer the board's questions. >> Public comment on this. >> Yes. com.
>> All right. All right. Let's take a break for a minute and see if there's any public comment. Is there anyone from the audience like to speak to this item? >> Is there anyone online? >> No one online >> to the board. So, your January meeting
in Newport Richie would be the 20th. Correct. So my recommendation would be that you continue it until the January 20th uh 2026 meeting at 1:30 as soon thereafter is same may be heard.
>> All right. I'll make a motion to move to continue uh January 20th 22nd. >> Is that what you said? >> 20th. >> Oh the 20th. >> Uh 2026. Time certain. >> Second. >> Okay. Any further discussion? Not time
certain but certain 130 certain thereafter is >> Did I say 1:30? >> We have a motion to >> continue time date certain. >> Date certain. >> Um any further discussion? >> All in favor say I. >> I.
>> I. >> Okay. Continue. That will bring us to committee reports. District one. Commissioner Oakley. Okay. >> What about >> here? >> This one 88.
>> Oh, yeah. >> An 8. >> Yep. This is when we uh >> Okay. Sorry. >> We went out to >> I didn't flip my >> Advent Health at West Chapel and uh cut a ribbon on the new construction for the
sixth floor of the hospital. um very nice improvement to the area and of course I think there was 24 beds on that floor if I'm not mistaken but that was that item we did and then the last
last the other item was the naming of the and cutting of the ribbon of the Wilton Simpson Senior Center and uh here you can see it here Wilton couldn't be with us that day but really um
>> gave it a lot of hard work and and thought in it to make sure this happened for our seniors in East Pasco County and uh a part of uh the Dade City area there. A senior center that we've needed for a long time and people are very very
happy that's that's open now and they're working. So that that's all ahead. Okay, Commissioner Wen. Thanks, chair. And Bill's not here, but um a lot of staff folks were here. Very nice. Mr. Tyson's
there. EDC party that Thank the Phillips um 4G uh folks >> for hosting hosting us, Commission Oakley, uh for the EDC Christmas party. Very nice crowd at 4G Ranch. And again, just very appreciative of of them selling a big chunk of their land for
conservation easement and wildlife corridor. um can't say it enough, but thank thank you to the land owners who choose to to sell their land at a discount. And then um coming up after the first of the year, wild that we're saying 2026.
Um and thanks to Commissioner Starky for bringing forward the the board's um farm share efforts. We're doing we're doing a farm share event on January 30th uh 26 2026 um 9:00 am and uh at Life Church uh
between between Oakley Boulevard and Old Pasco Road right at the intersection near Quill Hollow and Angus Valley area. And so as it it comes out I encourage folks to come out and help us help us uh provide food to folks. We chose after the first of the year then of January. We figure folks might be depleted coming
through Thanksgiving and Christmas time and uh try to help them load up in the beginning of of Q1 uh in January to help them help them bounce back after an expensive Christmas season. So as it comes forward, I wish everybody come out
and join us and um and uh help folks. And that's all I have. Okay, Mr. Stark. Oh boy, I'm used to going last. Okay. Um I went to the fact conference
in Tampa and as you know I chair the federal committee um where I brought up and we discussed the you know the fact issues and we also take up the NGO federal issues which I'll talk about in a second but I also
um continued the discussion about the um oh my goodness the uh vouchers for the housing vouchers um And um I can tell you that a lot of counties are very surprised. It's not something they normally look at, but
when you when you tell tell them that Penllis County has over 60% of the voucher users are not from their county, it opens their eyes. Uh and then we also discussed the um oh gosh, what's the name of that that u one that adds all
the cost? >> Davis Bacon. >> Davis Bacon. So, um, uh, and let them know we sent a letter and that anyone who wanted a copy of the letter, they could get it from us, but we, you know, we're going to try and move the needle on that up in Washington. Um, I do think
that's something we want to add to when we go up to Washington and we need to plan on our time here uh, sometime maybe, I don't know when, but sometime. And, uh, okay. So, then I um Oh. on on
the fact uh they had a breakout on um discussion on um data centers but unfortunately that's when I got a call about our legislative appropriation requests and so I had to miss that whole
se session and interestingly uh at no in Texas um that was a big discussion that we had at the board of directors meeting was the data centers ers and I know we have some
circling around here and uh just I think we need to get more informed to be sure that if we do get some we strike the best deal and that was the conclusion from a lot of the commissioners there. A lot of them are in the dark. Some of
them there's a county in Maryland or Virginia Loun County I think it's called. They have dozens of them. Um, it's really actually messing up their county. And there's a a data center coming into North Dakota. It's two miles
long, the building. Two miles long. I mean, just even wrap your head around that. So, um, we've in Washington, we we've asked at the ledge conference, we've asked for a special session just on data centers for for
information gathering. Um, see what else from Nico? Oh, I have the top 10 NO initiatives. I wanted to share them with you. Let's see. I'll do it this way. Okay. And um and some of you may not know, but it's
because of NATO that when COVID happened and they were giving out the money that they they pushed for the counties, large counties over 500,000 to get the money directly because always in the past it went to the state and then you were at
the mercy of the state to get your initiatives approved. So, um Nico continues to um push for monies that are coming down. They're trying to do some more with FEMA to come straight to us. And these are in no
particular order. It's just that um I couldn't find my other sheet that I saved from there. Safeguard local revenue sources. I could not believe how many counties were having discussions that their states are trying to take away their property tax. Of course, I knew about Texas, Indiana, Nebraska,
Montana, um Idaho. They're all having property tax discussions and they're Um, everyone is doing it differently. One state, I think Nebraska, the county was able, I
believe, to do a income tax, but everyone's freaking out of what over what that means to their state. So, it's not just us. Very interesting. I'm sure we'll talk about that up in Washington again. Um, safeguard local revenue sources. advocate for a fair and
flexible tax policy framework that safeguards local revenue sources and flexibility for essential county services. And they're coming out with marketing material and facts for for us to be able to help tell our story. Um disaster preparedness, response, and
recovery. Um let's see, tried to do this. promote county priorities and local decision making and federal rule making around land use, environmental quality and energy development. Um, this one isn't
what relates to us, which is payment in le of taxes. We don't have any federal lands in our county. Uh, promote better outcomes and behavioral health, homelessness, and criminal justice systems. And that's kind of where that issue lies where if you get arrested and
you go to jail and you sit there for a while, you lose your health insurance and we got to pick it up and your whole family loses your health insurance if you're on Medicare or Medicaid. Thank you. So, um the farm bill, uh flex local flexibility to support
economic mobility, uh and uh access to technology solutions, maintain election integrity, and strengthen election worker safety. So, I think that's nine. I think that's nine, and I don't know what the 10th one is.
All right. I attended the Magnolia Oaks ribbon cutting along with a couple other commissioners. It looks great. Oh, that's the uh restored county courthouse. They got the CEO the day before our meeting. I just want to say um pretty cool courthouse building,
right? Um it was freezing there. Freezing. Okay. Do I have a picture from Magnolia Oaks? Okay. So, there we are at Magnolia Oaks. I think those places look great. I couldn't find the Magnolia anywhere. I did see some oaks. I think we should give them some magnolia trees.
Commissioner Weightman had a good idea because they paid for those trees themselves. And we were wondering if they could give us a bill. Um, we could reimburse them from our tree mitigation trust fund and they can use that money to put some more landscaping in. This
whole row of houses to our left, they back up to that boat and RV storage facility and they their backyard is a chain link fence with bob wire. So, I'd love to see if we could, you know, put something there, maybe, you know, help
them use that money to shield the bobbed wire view from their homes. >> Um, >> or commissioner or for phase two, the parking on phase two. >> What? >> Or could go help offset the parking on phase two, but the whole second phase to this.
>> Yeah. Well, we certainly want them to go for the tree mitigation money for um >> Yeah, the reimbursement. >> Yeah. But my gosh, these homes have bob wire in their backyard on the left. I don't know if you noticed that. It's awful. >> So, keep people out.
>> So, is this designed this is this considered private land or the right away? >> That would be Well, this is a kind of condo. So, I think it's they don't own these. This is owned by the >> Who owns this? The housing authority.
>> The housing authority owns, >> right? >> Yeah. Um uh I did attend the CDBGDR meeting at um uh Ben Harrell. Uh Commissioner Commission Mariana's staff was there. It
was not real greatly attended. I was disappointed. Um, and um, so I that's why we're going back to Gulf Harbors and I'm going to try and let all my people know uh, who are in that holiday area
that they can come up there. I asked Katie to see if she could find a heat map of homes that were hurt in the uh storms so we could know how to figure out how to target certain neighborhoods because I'm just worried we're not reaching everybody and I want to give
everybody who has the opportunity to get some help to get some help. So, we're looking for that map and um >> I think it's called the Milton map. Milton, not Helen, because we weren't affected by Milton.
>> But I think it shows where all the water was, doesn't it? Doesn't the Milton map show where all the water? >> Helen that affected us over here on the coast. >> Are we talking like the aerials that that showed? Yeah, I think we did. I think we did both storms, but Milton brought the flooding, the unprecedented
levels of flooding. So, those maps would >> Okay. Well, I'll take both. I mean, whatever maps there are, I I'd look at both. I know my ace house got hit by Milton. Well, yeah. I think Helen hit us first. That was a big flood. Yeah. Yeah. >> Though on the other side, Milton. >> Although I I got flooded by Milton and
Arista from the Ankote River. >> So inland >> inland flooding. Yes. Helen was a storm surge. >> It shows Helen as well. We captured both. >> Oh, it's got both. >> We'll we'll we can pull those maps. >> Yeah. And maybe the other commissioners would like to see it too as they have their further discussions on how to help
people. Um so uh I asked um the county administrator my meetings with him yesterday about information on the hazard mitigation grant money we got. How much did we get? Not the CDBGR. >> It it varies. I mean you get an allocation uh proposed allocation from
the state but the state ultimately determines how much they they push forward. So for example I think during one of the storms Helen and Milton might have been around there there's several million dollars that that could be there. these. >> No, we got we got like $164 million.
>> Yes, theund I think it was 110 and we had given 10% of that I think to Elevate Florida which was operated by the state. >> Okay. So, um we have yet commissioners to see the list of projects that we're talking about um because no one's
presented it to us. Um but I'm hopeful that we had a discussion. You're going to show us what we're talking about. Um >> yes. And I mentioned to you before that one of the projects we did with that money that Kevin Guthrie got us got for us last time was they cleaned out parts
of the Anklet River to allow for, you know, evacuation of the waters in the during when it floods. And I can tell you that the river from Little Road West is just 100% full of trees. Um Gary
Blackwell owns some property that we're working on buying with Elamp money and he told me you should you could just walk all across the river up behind him. We we have got to get these rivers cleaned out and that is something you can use the the DR money or the hazard
mitigation money for. >> Well, didn't the Army Corps pay for Tarpon Springs to have that whole thing cleaned out? >> They're dred. They're dredging. >> Okay. What's too trees? What what we did um with this money was hire a con contractor who actually hired our inmate
got our inmates some of them and they have all this equipment and they pulled the trees out of the river. You can actually sell that wood. It's beautiful wood. U my son used to buy that wood and make chairs out of it in college for money. Um, but we must bring back the
flow of of the water >> and I I think we should be approaching the Army Corps >> all the rivers. >> No, and Clo especially though, let's face it. Yeah. >> Goes all the way up to Celtic Drive. It's it's a disaster up there when it gets flooded. But again, the Army Corps was starting down at Tarpon. We're supposed to come all the way up here.
Let's bring them up here >> uh for dredging the silt. >> Yeah. >> To clean out the whether it's silt or whatever, whatever's in there needs to come out. if they have money. I don't want to wait though. We have the We have money. We can get started more. >> It's not expensive. >> It's not expensive.
>> We'll find out what uh what the status of that is and you know if there's conveyance improvements that can come through that. That's that's what you're talking about. >> Okay. >> Um and then um I told the county administrator I I brought it up here before, but I want to hear from our
staff. What is the procedure to get these dark arterial? Which is a bigger collector or arterial? >> Arter. Arterial would be your big >> is that like little road? >> Yes, that's a county. >> What is Starky Boulevard? >> Probably a county collector, but I'm guessing.
>> Okay. Uh uh Trouble Creek. What is that? >> Well, we're going to play Stump the Chump here, right? >> I just I need to know Trinity Boulevard. I mean, they're pitch black and there engineers behind you. And I need him to come. >> He's not He's not throwing me a lifeline
right there. Come on up. >> I gave him a heads up. I was gonna ask him to come up and explain the process. Um, >> yes. There, you know, there's there's currently and while Nick's on his way up here, there, you know, currently in the CIP program, there are there are methods that we we go to to light streets that
are not lit. Correct. So, there's there's things that have happened. Nick and I have talked about more complete streets uh with with regards to already >> to to future roads even with with development. So I'd like Nick just to talk a little bit about street lights, lighting and safety improvements. So
Nick, if you could. >> Yeah, good afternoon Nick, county engineer. So um Trouble Creek collector road. Generally speaking, if it's anything lower than six lanes, it's probably a collector road. >> Okay. >> Um as as far as it goes, arterials are usually at at their buildout, they they
would be either busy four-lane roads or six lane roads. Um, so that's rule of thumb. U, as far as street lights, >> that's >> as far as street lights go, we are currently obligating developers who are constructing any of our vision roads, our arterial and collector roads that are four lanes wide or wider to include
street lights as part of the construction. We're also including street lights on any capital projects that we're doing as a county, county administered projects. So, we're installing street lights on four lane roads and wider. As far as installing lights on existing roads, we are
drafting a policy and and basically the policy is going to look at three key points to prioritize installation of street lights. How busy is the road? How high is the crash rate at night? And how many driveways are there per mile? Like driveway density, which is a surrogate
for how many conflict points are you trying to negotiate in the dark? So, it's a resource allocation question. and we're trying to figure out where are the most important urgent needs for street lighting and then we allocate dollars to put in the lights. There's a whole second conversation happening
simultaneously about the type of installation process that we will follow. Three options on the table. One is we buy the poles and the lights and we just pay for power. We put them in, we own them, we pay for power, but then we have to maintain those lights and poles with inventory in our shop and
whatnot becomes an operational expense for the county. But it's it's frankly cheaper than paying power the power companies to lease the poles and the lights. That's option two. We can pay a power company like Wreck or Tiko and say you guys go out there, you put in the light poles, you run the wires between
them, you put in the luminires, the the light bulbs and whatnot, and we lease those items from you and we pay the the power company to operate and maintain the lights along those quarters. Heavy operational expense. they amortize their capital cost and add a profit margin on
top of that. So, it's the least cost-effective way to do it, but it's the fastest. Third option that we're exploring, and I know you're going to ask about this, so this is definitely on the table, is what about solar lighting? What if we just plop solar poles and panels along the corridor as a way of
illuminating some of these streets? And and frankly, all three are on the table. We're trying to figure out the most cost-effective way to achieve the outcomes and illuminate the corridors. >> Okay. Um, and now that we're talking about power poles, I don't know how often you guys now go
down Starky to go home. Um, but if you go down Starky Boulevard, first of all, there the wait, don't leave because this invol this is going to be an engineer question. Um they didn't Starky Boulevard is designated as a scenic
road. When John Gallagher was a county administrator, some older people now of which I'm one I guess um needed some lights on that bridge because we were having accidents on the bridge. So they put some lights on the bridge over the enclo. But since there was no power
there, they put poles all the way down Starky and they did guywires across to hold the poles up. now that there's homes there in neighborhood four, they're coming in with these, you know, the giant ones that they're putting in everywhere and they're still using
guywires. So, I'd like to know, can we please get rid of the guywires? But secondly, if you look at Longleaf neighborhood one, two, and three, we did it. The Starky family, the power poles are underground. You get to metro and
neighborhood 4 and the power poles are lightening than in front of I mean it's horrible. You can see the difference of of the aesthetics of the community. Why do we not and if you drive around other counties they've got they all require the poles to be underground in front of
a neighborhood like that. I I get transmission lines but why are we still allowing in this day and age those poles to be above the ground? >> So these >> in your neighborhood they're not. These would be power poles that we were talking about and and I think we do have a land development code regulation for
residential where those things are buried. Um when you get outside of the residential to medium voltage and high voltage there there's an expense there. Sometimes developers will absorb that expense. Some developments you will see those distribution lines that are are buried before they go to neighborhoods.
Um you know if it is this board's desire we could begin working on a policy or a change to the land development code to mandate that. Right now it is simply a a costbenefit. Yes. Type >> I mean I think that Longleaf is the perfect example of what should not be
allowed. >> It's one of the things I I did do and I >> How do you not notice it? It's like braces right in your face. >> I did speak with Dr. Bellis to see if perhaps there might be resiliency type money available because again that's a protection of the infrastructure. Um,
you know, we're not talking high voltage, right? The the very large transmission lines, that is very, very expensive to do that. But when you get along the collector roads and the arterials within the neighborhoods, that's what we're speaking to. And right now, there's not a regulation to it to my knowledge, but if the board would
like us to begin drafting something for consideration, we can certainly bring something forward. >> I'd like to see you bring something back to Let's go see what others have done, how they did it. >> Yep. >> Listen, we're just little developers, our family. We're not big multin, you
know, ginormous national builders and we were able to put them underground >> so they can put them under. >> No, I think we bring something back. I'm good with that. >> Anything else? >> That's it. >> Okay, Commissioner Jagger.
>> Okay. All right. So, we went to I had the pleasure of sitting next to Commissioner Oakley and uh across from Seth, but we did the meet and greet for the um with uh a night with Wilton Simpson. That was really nice. So, they had um the
Republican clubs there and Seth so graciously told anybody if they had any um questions to come let us know. So, so uh everyone was able to get their questions answered. >> Who's who's next to you? >> Oh, that's Brad. Oh, that's uh Doc Dr.
Zeti, she went for the uh school board. >> Okay. >> Uh in for uh Dr. Le. Okay, next one. I was at the two I was at the 18th annual prayer breakfast. Uh that was great. Um Dr. Le was the
guest speaker and he had a he had a great story. Um it it was very very moving. Sheriff Nako was there. Everybody everybody was there. It was a great event. It was beautiful. It was put on by the Y. Um, then I was at the
Pasco EDC holiday social at 4G Ranch. The only picture I took was Joanna and I. So that was all that was on my camera roll. >> I can't go to that anymore now that I have the board of directors meeting every first week of December. >> And then um I attended the Magnolia Oaks
ribbon cutting ceremony for the veterans housing. So that was great. I love uh they have the one, two, and threebedroom options. and uh what a blessing to our community. So they just need they're waiting for funding for the second phase. So very excited about that
project and thanks again to with Luchi. And uh Sunday I went to the PBA's Christmas party at um in St. Pete. So that was very nice. The police association and that's all I have.
>> Okay. and Mr. Garbella. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, in reviewing expenditures, um I always think it's prudent just to see if the board had any appetite to take a look at our lobbyists. As you know, we we currently
have um contracts with four lobbyists, one federal, three state, and uh these contracts are good until 2027 plus some option years. So, um, you know, there's you don't have to necessarily make any alterations, but I feel it's just prudent just to have have that
discussion and just see if the board is, uh, you know, either reaffirm the course that we're on or or pivot if necessary. Um, starting with the federal, uh, we we currently have Ballard on board at an annual, uh, fee of 96,000 a year. Um the
board uh during its deliberations opted um to select Ballard over its uh over its incumbent uh Vanco. Um so I guess my my first question is is you know are we comfortable with the current course of
action? Do we wish to make any changes? >> Commission. >> I just like to move back to the gentleman we had before the incumbent. >> Second. >> I think he did. I actually found out more a after we let him go than I knew
before we let him go about what he really did for us. And I have a good feeling of what he was doing for us before better than what we got this past year. >> Well, Mr. Chair, I would agree. >> Mr. M >> and I and I believe there's a way we can
just go right to it. Is that correct? Well, I mean, if the consensus, and I'm trying to, you know, keep keep track here, the board is is to perhaps, you know, is to perhaps, you know, you know, move on, terminate for convenience, uh,
on Ballard and and kind of go back to to Vanso. We can explore a piggyback option. Now, that doesn't mean that those contracts work. We would have to look at those contracts, make sure that they align, make sure that the scope is aligned anytime that you do that. Um, I do know that Penllis does have one. the
fee is probably about at par with what this is, but we would have to review the scope and make sure of that. If we're unable to piggyback or find a um a contract that works, then you would have to go out for a solicitation for another for another federal lobbyist. So, I
guess I mean I guess I would ask at this time if Go ahead. I'll >> uh hold on. I I want to speak to it, but Commissioner W first. >> Does Southern have a federal group? I'm indifferent on the federal lobbyists, but if Southern has a federal group, can
>> No, they're they're not in I don't know the answer to that question. Is Ralph here? >> Mike Moore is always listening, so I'm sure he'll >> maybe I didn't. Maybe I I didn't. >> I don't. I thought I read that somewhere. >> I've never heard they had a federal group. >> I'm I'm seeing head shaking as in no commissioner. So,
>> right. So, I'd like to say as far as Ballard goes and with Trump coming in, I mean, he's got deep connections right inside the White House. We haven't done anything to go ask. I mean, frankly, I've been waiting for us to get signed up with a lobbyist where we go hire Dawson Associates to go through them to
help. I mean, we needed help with the 404 peritting up there. Um, you know, uh, Van Skoick, I think we had them when we tried to do Sun West before, but I I I want to give Ballad more time. I I'm plann to I think Chason, we're almost we're almost set up
with um be able to bring Dawson on board through the applied sciences. Okay. So, we got a chance to get something done. I've got Sunwest project which we had approved through the through the cabinet through Governor Scott and it got stuck on the Army Corps. The lead person at
the Army Corps is now gone. This is a big project to get through and it's going to make a big difference in Northwest Pasco. The 404 permitting, we're going to struggle that with everywhere. I I think ballot can help us and I want to give him at least one more year because right now with everything with Trump that just went through slowed
everything down with all the configurations that were going on up there he's still there for three more years if these guys have that connection that I think they still do. >> So I don't you must not be aware what happened up there. >> Uh but they
they're not in good standing anymore. Uh and so I'm saying Ballard with I don't want to say too much. Uh but uh Jack, do you do you remember Well, it's it's in the paper, so you can Google Google what
happened. Um, but if you remember when we were in Washington DC last year, um, and we were going around with B or Ballard guys and we ran into other commissioners that had Vans Skoy and they were heading to the offices in FEMA
and um and and we were we couldn't get in and so I I would say that he was much better than um Vince Quake than Ballard in my opinion and >> and I did get a follow-up communication
from Mr. Moore that basically he said that Southern does have a federal arm. That's all I know. >> I I I I found um our Vance Harry very upstanding, not going to ask us to do
anything illegal um and hardworking. So I we we tried it with Ballard. I I don't think we got anything for it in this year personally. Um Ralph's the one that deals with them and so he could say I think more what was your in his
interaction with Ballard versus with Vance Skoy? I'm cur Can you if you don't mind um also I have a very good friend who's very connected in the White House. Um because at one point we were looking at bringing on an in-house federal
lobbyist and I talked to my friend and he said absolutely do not do that. That's a waste of your money. I will help you. So um >> do what? >> He said he will help us >> do what? with the things that we need to get done instead of as a as a pro bono
internal federal. And I so I I asked him to help us with something at a dinner party and he immediately texted his staff uh to see um if what committees Ashley was on and I've been to their house and they Ashley's
there for dinner and I we really good relationships. >> Why don't we continue this to the next board meeting? Uh let me have that contact as well. share it with the others, but I'm willing to discuss it further and then look into everything. But let's continue with the next meeting. We'll talk about talk about it then. Everyone can do their own
research, what they want to do. Commissioner. >> Yeah, chair. I mean, learning that that Southern very pleased with Southern at the state level. I mean, I'd like to see what their what the opportunities are budget-wise at the federal level and what who their team is for taking a look
at it. Then we just consolidate contracts >> if it if there's an appetite for it. >> I I don't I'm leaning more to your your connection. >> I'll share it with you. >> So, why don't we continue this? We'll
bring it back for for an item. Okay. So, I will bring back a uh a item on an item related to federal federal lobbyist discussion. Um and I'll I'll craft something up that uh tries to tie in at least some things that I've heard
today. Um maybe that's the answer for the second one, but I would like to discuss the state lobbyists as well. As you are aware, we originally had one lobbyist that was Sunrise Consulting. It's been been long time. We went through the selection process with the
idea to select perhaps an extra an additional lobbyist and um the board the board opted to hire three lobbyists. And so I guess it's the same question. Each of those uh each of those firms Sunrise um Southern and Advocacy Partners uh
each have a fee of $60,000 each. Um and my my question to the board is is the same. Do we wish to exist, you know, maintain those existing contracts, uh, or terminate one or more for convenience or do something different? >> I would point that to January as well. >> Commissioner Jagger,
>> um, I will restate my I I am for having two lobbyists, not three. I I don't think we had our, um, return on our investment for on three lobbyists. I think it's unnecessary and with the
county trying to cut costs, I think it's just an add an expense that we don't need. Michelle, >> I also believe that we need to uh just have two instead of three. Uh Sean Foster has done a great job for the
county for a long time and I believe Southern has come come forth and done also as well. uh Tallahassee, they they seem to show up sometimes, but then we didn't know who they were or what they were doing there because we didn't know the person they sent to some of our
meetings. And so I'm I'm satisfied with the two Sunrise and Southern >> Commission W. Thanks, Chair. Uh with Commissioner Oakley and Commissioner, you're ready to go to two and uh keep Southern and Sunrise and move on from
advocacy. And I'll say that um you know I think Sunrise and Southern have been great. I think that you need to appreciate you know we every zoning we go through what do we deal with? Live local. Live local.
I think it could have got a lot worse in Tallahassee if we didn't have the advocacy group fighting with the governor to to listen to what we're doing. Uh that can still come up again with all the cuts they're going to go try to do. I think you need the voice closest to the governor, which is the
reason I wanted them added from the get-go because you can have two branches, you don't have that third one, could cost us a lot of money, a lot more than what we're paying these guys. And of the three of them, they all work together great. I think it's easily the best money we're spending on anything
we're doing. >> Well, Flip Local, we're ready to fire a lawsuit. At least I am. Was hoping to beat Hillsboro. I don't think we will. little jealous, but um I I I didn't see
I didn't I didn't from my offic's standpoint uh no updates out of the advoc advocacy group. We got updates from Sunrise and Southern regularly and um from a
customer experience it fell flat. Well, I think you know the response is I think we're supposed to have one group that was going to be leading with all of us rather than all three of them. Um, so maybe Southern and Sunrise jumped in more. But I'm telling
you for the back of the situations working with the governor's office. You may not see it. They may not come to the meetings, but they're in there and I tell you they're they were fighting for us. >> Mr. Starky, >> um, I I agree with you. Um um but
I wouldn't cut just a session starting. If if I was going to pair from three to two, I'd do it after July 15th and see and see who >> who worked for us and what did we get.
Why why cut it when you're just going for your appropriation? >> That's a brilliant idea. >> Yeah. So, I would say let's let's relook at that and everyone really pay attention. I think you should maybe even test the our lobbyists with special requests and see how they come through.
Um, but I would suggest we revisit this on July 16th. >> Just one thing I want to add is that we're we're going to be fiscally responsible and we're supposed to be trying to cut costs right now and that's an easy way. I I don't feel like we need
three. We We've been operating on two >> operating on one >> or one. I mean, and we we did really well. I I I I just think responsibility wise we we only need two. But >> and and I and I'm going to agree with you on the um the updates. I don't want
three. I just want one. So, and I think that they had um kind of delegated it to to Shawn, but we were just getting the southern ones because they they do it for all their clients. I'm sure if we asked the advocacy group to give their update, they'd send us I mean, because
that's a standard thing they're pumping out for all their clients. >> They were supposed to be doing that all along, but yeah, we didn't hear much. >> So, let me let me throw one thing to you. So when we had live local that was live when Pasadoma was pushing it through and I'm meeting in there with >> Oh yeah.
>> Pasadomo with Sean right >> and what did Pas do Pasma do? >> See she she was on angry >> all day. Wasn't going to hear it. >> Talk to my staff. Talked to my staff and she did exactly what she wanted to do. Even though she said she was going to change it, she didn't change it. And I'm telling you, the only thing that saved
us was having that governor's office connection. I've been there. I've seen it. And if you don't have all three, all you need is one good link to go. But if you don't have the governor's office with you, anything can go because they're going to Hey, it's going to be another battle this year. Did I hear
Senator Albertton stepping down? >> What >> is he? >> Yeah, he's stepping down. >> He's stepping down after this one. He had enough. >> Oh, okay. I I kind of got that when I was with him in Tallahassee. >> So, I mean, I thought you meant right now. You mean after the session? >> There's going to be crazy times up there. I'm talking. If you don't have the governor's ear,
>> you're in trouble. >> You're I mean, for 60 grand, is that what it is? 60 grand. >> Yeah. Our ROI. >> I mean, think about it. This is like easy. Every every single zoning we >> agree that ROI, >> make sure you're talking about live local. Let me tell you, up there, that's where it's going to get done.
>> Well, not not only is it live local, we have Senate Bill 180 that has to get fixed. I mean, we can't even do our comp plan update. You need a voice in every branch and and two cards the epis group as your one for up in the governor's office. H. However, I do want I do want
to have discussions with our lobbyists on property tax and I want to make sure um FAC has sent out I haven't even had time to look at it an analysis for each county on how it affects each county and we need to make sure we have educated
our lobbyists on how it affects us and I you know we haven't done that. Sure. Well, >> coming in, >> Commissioner Stark's idea of letting it run through this session considering the timely the timeliness of it and how
we're starting probably a good idea. looking at the state of play but after we don't we need to if revisit this conversation my opinion >> immediately following the session or special session if we what we want to do
>> special session >> and well they already said special session anyway with redistric until the court rules right so there's highly likely it'll be for redistric for his property taxes >> again um >> I mean for the sake of of timing
We probably should I don't know maybe evolve the thought and let it roll through this. But they got to perform. >> Yeah. >> And you got to hold them to it. >> Like they got to they got to compete and see who who's the 10,000lb gorilla up
there. Which which one of these firms and see what we get back. >> Commission, when does the governor sign? >> July. >> July. So I think I think I think July 15th is probably a good time to wait. So July 1, right, Ralph? July 1. No, >> June 30th. >> June 30th.
>> All right. So the the first meeting in July, we should have the conversation again. >> Even on an early session, Ralph. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because wouldn't it >> that's the fiscal year, I think. Right. >> That's when they take effect. When >> July >> when is he? >> July 1st when any new legislation in the
budget takes effect. But but his sign when he has to sign off is >> it's usually before it's like by June 15th is usually in the past how it's done. So um in this session we end March beginning of March. So we will probably
already know in April. >> What are you talking what gets through as far as >> which what >> what are you talking about March? We could probably go 110 days again. >> But you were talking about the governor. >> I know. I'm just kidding. >> Okay. But yeah, uh from this session since it
starts in January, um he'll have signed off on probably everything in advance by uh April, even before May. What he's talking about with special session is the governor has talked about the property tax issue and the redistricting issue.
>> I think we got to go through this um this session and see where they align. Right now we're where they were last year. Senate's over here. House and Governor are kind of together over here.
And um they're not together yet. Still early. >> Ralph, if you lose any more weight, you're not even we're not even be able to see you. >> You'd be like the invisible man. >> Ralph up there. >> All right. So So wait till So we'll wait till July to talk about the state. July
for state and January for federal. >> January for for the federal >> and we'll bring back some additional options. >> If you would, Commissioner Stark, you just get me that information about their contact there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Cuz I I'll use him in the next before the next meeting. Anyway, >> Mike and I have to have a um
uh a conference call with him. He's been waiting for our call. >> Okay. Anything else here? Uh yeah, just actually since the last board meeting here before before the holidays, I just wanted to take a moment to uh just highlight some of the things that the organization uh has been doing in our
community. Uh internal services, for example, collaborated with Pasco Kids First. Uh they they purchased toys for 57 children and raised over $600 amongst themselves to donate. Uh the development services group did partner with some of our local nursing homes to provide gifts for almost 40 seniors as well this
Christmas. Um uh Aviata at Ridge Haven is is the uh is the area. The public infrastructure branch uh collected donations for for our animal shelter and they're also doing a food drive for the needy in our community. And the public safety folks had sponsored over a hundred children through the angel tree
program. So making sure that they all have gifts uh for for this Christmas. And of course, our public services group is is always out there at the forefront uh doing toys for tots, uh sponsoring families for uh for Christmas gifts, blood drives, seniors, um food pantries,
etc. And and to cap it all off, I know some of my executive team, perhaps even some of you will be working at the at the tent over in Metropolitan Ministries uh on on the 19th. I'll certainly be there. But I'm just proud that the organization is is taking a moment to to give back to the community um and
especially around this time. So, I just uh I thank the team uh for that and again, thank you for for everything that you do for our community and just wish you all a merry Christmas, a happy Hanukkah, and a and a happy new year. So, thank you. >> Okay, county attorney.
>> I don't have anything generally, but happy holidays to you all and uh on to new year 2026. >> We'll see each other what next week. >> The what? >> The workshop. Yeah, we have a housing workshop.
>> We do have a homeless discussion next week. >> Is that And it's in Date City. Who Who picked that? >> The chairman. He's our friend. >> He didn't do it. >> It's not all the way in Date City. It's almost >> I'm going to come I'm going to cover that item in just a second.
>> Uh anything from the clerk's office? >> Uh yes. >> Ridiculous. There's three. >> Nikki left me with two updates to provide to the commissioners. First, Nikki's office offic's department of inspector general submitted a report number 202502 titled BCC information technology
incident response. The objective was to assess the BCC IT department's compliance with the National Institute of Standards and Technology Cyber Security Framework 2.0 and Florida statutes related to the incident response recovery and reporting. This
report is confidential. It has been submitted on this agenda as noted item number 152. However, confidential information contained within the report has been redacted. The county's director of information technology department has the complete report. The inspector
general department appreciates the cooperation, courtesy, and responsiveness of BCC IT management. And second, Nikki's department of inspector general had filed its 2026 annual audit plan. It is noted item number N162.
This plan provides the list of audits that will be the focus of calendar year 2026. Thank you and your leadership team and providing good feedback and conversations with the inspector general department and thank you from Nikki. >> Okay.
>> Um Jack, can you say something about the TMA meeting Friday? >> Um go ahead. >> Well, uh we have our TMA meeting Friday. Uh, Commissioner Edgar's chair. I'm vice chair. I think Seth, you, me, Matt Murphy.
>> Uh, I don't know who from the cities is on or on. >> Matt, I think. I don't know. I'm just going through the uh provided list. >> We're getting down to very important times. You know, we have the consultant and um y'all weren't able to make it to the
workshop that we had in St. Pete. Um, but I can tell you there were lots of other commissioners and city council people there and they put us all in a room and instead of kind of going through the agenda, we actually had a very very good discussion about moving
forward. Um, there weren't any Hillsboro County Commissioners in there. City Council, Penllis County, city of St. Pete, Clearwater, Matt was there, but and um and the mayor from Port Richie, but they were in another meet, another group. not I don't know why they weren't
in our group. Um and I I felt we got some pretty good consensus moving forward except for the um city Tampa City Council wants to be more heavily represented uh than they than they were in our other
discussions with the 11 Hillsboro seats um because they feel their city swells with people and they're kind of the epicenter of problems. Um, >> so it's, you know, it's not our, they need to work that out, but we need to be
working on this together. I cannot carry the load for all of us. And, um, and so, but we need we need to get this done or the legislators legislature is going to do it for us. And that's what I've been told. So, I hope that we really do get
engaged. Um, and what really needs to be a topic on our Tri County meeting coming up and we need to make sure we get as many commissioners there as possible because this is coming and we need we need to be heard and we need to hear the others and we need to find a solution to
move forward because we are leaving tens and tens of millions of dollars in Washington for other areas that we could be bringing here. So we have it's only an hour meeting for us but it's it's Friday in Tampa at the Hillsboro
Authority Thea Tampa Hillsboro >> rest away. >> Yeah. I have no idea where >> I'm I'm ready to make a decision. We're we >> it's a joint decision. >> The meeting's just we keep talking about
talking about waiting on the city of Tampa like when do we just give city of Tampa the boot and make make the call? Well, we we can't Hill Hills Hillsboro and Tampa are Tampa has a poison pill for Hillsboro. They don't have a poison pill for us and in Panellis. So, um but
I do believe that we have to make a decision fairly soon. >> Um >> well, they need to say when because been talking about it for two years now. >> Yeah. >> And it's like let's make a DGUM decision. So this is the NPO >> TMA which comes up to NO and then we
vote as an NPO and then >> this is the transportation management. >> Yeah, >> it's becoming one. >> Yeah, >> it's the consolidation of the NO. >> It's kind of like the replacement. >> That's why I'm saying the NO. But yeah, >> the fact of it is >> so few people made that meeting and I
was out of town. But no, >> I don't know how you going to ever get with so many different members on each group. I don't know how you going to get a quorum to be able to act on anything. >> Well, we'll be voting on it soon here at our no and we don't do it here. We do it
at our no. >> Yeah. Right. >> But it's coming and so >> part of our >> So these last few meetings are very important. >> Pine County and Pasco County have always worked together very well. That's our fall back. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> But the the in my opinion, the solution for the region is going to begin in Tampa. >> Because it's got to be a spoke, right? And so >> they they know it. That's why they're playing the cards the way they are. I mean, unless >> Yeah. They don't want to do some of this
unless it gets >> it's a little fight between Hillsboro and Tampa >> and South Tampa would benefit the most for this consolidation happening because we need to make sure they hear that. >> Oh, yeah. >> All right. So, let's try to try to make it to that meeting and have the >> go Christmas shopping. And >> when's that going to be? >> It's Friday.
>> This Friday in person. >> Friday morning. >> Okay. This coming Friday. >> All right. Um, I don't see anyone from the sheriff's office here other than the baiff. Thank you, sir. Um, okay. So, we'll go to my my items. Um, so Tuesday's workshop. Um, I don't know
about you guys' schedule, but mine's like booked and I actually have an opportunity to go do something for the county that I'd like to do. But, um, does anyone feel strongly about delaying this workshop or you guys want to have it? >> Different.
>> Um, if we reschedu it though, it has to be in Nissa. >> No, >> that's the deal. >> We could regularly schedule them in Lando Lakes. That pleases the board. When is that ridge >> road lakes? >> Why can't it be well?
>> You keep moving. >> Senior Kathy >> compromise. Come on. >> Can you see if that our call with Kansas City was cancelled? I just got an email. >> I I'm good with waiting and I'll tell you why. I went to Kansas City and Brad
and I we walked five miles. We did not see any homeless. Uh no one panhandling. like I was completely blown away and impressed. So I reached out to Kansas City to get a call to about their with
their homeless. So a few days ago I was talking to someone from Hillsboro and they happened to mention can that they were working with the Kansas City uh police chief because of how low their crime and their homelessness and things
like that were. So I thought it was ironic that I was reaching out to them. Hillsboro is already working with them. >> Interesting. >> So, I had a call scheduled and I guess it's canceled because I asked Kathy to um come with me, but um I'd rather wait until we get all that insight back from
Kansas City. >> It was amazing. Like, >> can I make a suggestion? Is it >> Mr. Starky? >> Is there enough time to do it during lunch in Date City at our next board meeting? >> No. I like to walk and stretch. >> No. All right. I'm just trying to combine them.
>> All right. Let's go after the first year. >> So we can do after the I mean we have January 13th and February 10th. Typically one of those we will do some budget things. So it could be a combined workshop if that's okay with the board. But happy to do that and push it in Lando Lakes if that will either appease
some of you or >> speaking of of combined >> I'm good with land. If we staff in board for consideration, if we have a workshop or two, like I'd rather instead of stringing them out, consolidate meetings on a day that we're all
figuring out how to get where and make make the most of it if if there's if there's time. >> Yeah, workshops do not have to be single single matter. You know, we've we've kept it that way. There's been depth and it allows for longer discussion, but that's entirely the board's prerogative.
There needs to be food and stretching. >> Food stretching. Not in Dade City. In Dade City. What else? No. Yes, we can make that. We We'll figure it out. >> All right. Good. >> Uh, so at FAC, I was going to go to I went to one day just so everyone knows, but they had an eststero meeting one day
and a CDBGR meeting for the night time, which was I'm able to hang around, but um I thought it was productive. And just to give FAC credit, as you just mentioned, NAKO was very effective in helping the states get the money from the uh from the feds directly instead of going through the state. Well, FAC did
the same things, helping us get the restore committee set up with the 23 counties to get the money direct as well for at least 35% of it. So, uh that that does bode well. Um, one thing you mentioned about as far as um doing the plants and shrubs, I mean the uh
landscaping grant for the uh uh Lando Lakes Veterans Place. >> No, no, it's not Land of Lakes. It's right here on on Mass. Okay. >> Magnolia Oaks. >> So, one of the problem one of the problems with the way it's written, the way it's said, even if you want to put that in there with our property, you
can't put plants and shrubs in. >> No. Well, we we can with our landscaping grant. We can't do it with the tree mitigation money, >> right? So, I want to say I I've reached out to the TVBA to try to get them to send us a letter that they're be okay with us using plants and shrubs so when
I get a project, we can fund the whole thing. >> I the reason why I don't want to do that, TPA, temporary builders. >> Yeah. >> No, the reason I want don't want to it to go to plants or shrubs because it'll be gone like that and and the reason we have it is to replace the tree canopy.
So, um I wouldn't not support that because the bushes are going to cost more than the trees and then and if you look around at our businesses, they're letting them all die. Um yeah, I I I wouldn't be in favor of >> So So let me have you go in front of the
courthouse right out here and what do you see out there? You see some nice palm trees, mulch. So our own grounds, we can't maintain them and we can't use this fund. I don't want to use taxpayer money to go put new shrubs out there to make it look better again. So even if you restrict it to
just county owned property, you're going to save the taxpayer money. You've got $10 million sitting in that fund. >> What if I think better used to allow yourself some flexibility and if there's fear of what the building group would be if they send a letter of support, I think it's something we should consider
when we look at this January 6th. What if you crafted a a policy that allowed for, you know, ancillary landscaping associated with the planting of trees as say a percentage of the project or there's something like that that weighs >> if it was on county property? >> County property.
>> Um, and it has to be irrigated. >> Okay. >> Chair Commission Wman. >> So, there's a rabbit hole. So, to beef this up, when we tore the jail, I mentioned this to Eric. We we had our our at our public safety meeting our our
inmate hours. I wish our inmate work hours could be higher, but that the only way that can happen is if we have more corrections officers to be with inmates out in the field. Um, and obviously we're short staff, but what if we took some of the the money, the tree
mitigation money, and used some of the land out by the jail and supplemented the tree mitigation fund with our inmates and actually starting not to compete with garden centers or around the county, but starting to use them,
use that money and we can start growing >> some of the shrubbery and whatnot that we need for this county. And it gives them something to do. They're learning a skill. Maybe it gets some of our land. used to have a tree form. >> I mean, what do we pay for historic courthouse? 6 or 800 grand, the contract we just approved, whittle down some of
those and then if we have, you know, as our business are up, businesses are up and running and if we they get popped by code and have a $20,000 landscape bill, you know, find a way just to help them out. The small businesses truly small businesses get on their feet. But there's plenty of hands and there's
plenty of property out there. I think we have enough that we could just do our own >> and the startup money's in the trust fund to do it so it it grow it but I don't know if Eric >> so use tree mitigation money to perhaps start a program in corrections that could um
>> essentially essentially essentially a nursery for county >> they can start learning irrigation and you know different aspects and maybe they come out and they can go to work for a landscape company or something I don't I don't know but you just have a lot of hands there that can go to work
and if we don't have the officers to put them to work to help clean up our county, the way they can do it is using the land that we have and then our our our land third party landscapers, whoever can come pick up what they need and and beautify our spaces. >> Okay.
>> Let me discuss with the team and we can bring something back to the board for consideration. Of course. Okay. >> You know, they also used to have a program at the jail where they built picnic tables and um aderond chairs. >> We have those. >> I I think and I think they stopped it. I'd I'd like workforce training at the at the jail.
>> The kid the kid our kids have a picnic table, little kid picnic table and we've had it for years. It's great. >> And Gina, do you have some pictures I had from DC? Good. >> So, we we put together the landscaping irrigation ordinance years ago, right?
One of the things >> I don't know. I was asking today if we had an irrigation ordinance and someone was getting back to me. So one of the things that was compiled in discussion with it was to allow the medians that we create to allow water to get inside and do the irrigation save on water.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> Do it opposite in the in the parking lot. >> Instead what we did was raised them up 3 ft. We got rid of that part. >> But if we take and look >> uh this is right along in DC. The drain collects from the street. The metal drain you see to the side comes out to the to there. All the water from the
gutter right there can flow right into there. >> Smarter. something on the street can go right in there and you got all the cuts that are in there and you set the tree down about two feet have have you know leaves obviously going in there but it collects the water and even it's going to be released somewhere else it's going
to treat the water hold on to the water but that's going to take care of irrigation >> and your roots are lower so it's not going to you know it's less likely to buckle the sidewalk because it's lower I love it >> so I think we should be looking at doing that putting that in our code coming up and even even setting up others to be able to find an easy way to make these
changes. >> What kind of tree you going to do? Because if you put dirt up around the base of a like an oak tree, you move dirt up around it. So, it'll be >> This is new planting. >> Yeah. It probably You probably wouldn't do an oak tree. You'd probably do something else. >> You can't do an oak tree. It'll die.
>> Yeah. So, I wouldn't I wouldn't do the oak tree. >> No, but you could plant an oak tree in that. >> No. >> A new oak tree. >> I >> Not if you bury the base of it. >> Well, you're putting the the root ball in the dirt. I I don't understand if >> you either bury it here or here. >> The base is above if you're just doing
the root ball. >> That's for a landscaper to >> So, and I meant to miss it, but I think you saw something like this up in Rhode Island. >> Yes, we did. >> Did David Angle tell you? We We saw it there. >> I show them these pictures. >> Yeah, exactly. >> So, so I think we should go look at what they've done, how long they've done,
what trees they put in, etc. How they set themselves up. Look at Rhode Island, too. And then come back with a plan where we can go make it happen. >> Where is this? >> This is in Washington, DC. It looks cold. >> It was It was really cold. >> Yeah. >> But you know what? Those trees look really healthy. >> Cherry trees. >> Yeah. Really cold up there. And I'm
thankful this year my uh uh kids are coming down for Christmas. So yeah, right down here where we should be. >> So So with that, that's all I have. I want to say uh it's been Oh, actually we did have the senior game yesterday at Plantation Palms. I shot one of worst scores of my life.
>> Oh, my husband came in second in his senior game. >> Yeah, I was probably second from the bottom. Ah, it was like a rare thing for him. >> Uh, anyway, so was it was a it was a great turnout there. They they ran a ran a good tournament. Uh, games are going on. So, all sorts of stuff's happening around the county.
>> Oh, you mean the senior uh tourism >> senior? Yes. For tourism. >> Okay. >> So, um, oh, and I've got the appointments for the board. I only made a couple of changes. I read them off to you real quick. Um, everything's the same, though. Commissioner Waveman, I
was sitting on the insurance selection committee once and twice a year they meet. You can do it. Great. If you can, I don't mind doing it, but it's not it's not a big thing. Um, I wanted to take over the Pasco Economic Development Council and Tourist Development Council. And Commissioner Joerger, I was going to
put you on to Tampa Bay Water. >> That'll be good. I That's fine. I Is it a big board? >> Nine. >> It is. >> Yeah. Nine people. >> They won't meet all the commission. >> Nine people. I want you there. >> Yeah. >> It's It's close to you as far as everyone else, but I think it'd be good
for you. Cool. >> It'll be good. >> All right. So, that's all the changes. I'll pass these out. And other than that, merry Christmas and happy new year everybody. >> Merry Christmas >> and thank you for the honor. >> I have area of aging very high.
Turn to owner. rate for cats is less than means if you bring a community cat to our shelter, it's not likely they'll end up being returned to their caregivers. Cats in our communities often have one or more caregivers and they usually hang out in their home area. The best thing to do for these
cats is to leave them be. Share that message and you too can help battle pet overpopulation. If you're concerned the kittens have really been orphaned, meaning they haven't been moved or you're sure mom hasn't been back in at least eight consecutive hours, then you
can step in and care for the kittens. Animal services offers resources on our website about kitten fostering, spay and neuter services, trap rentals, and vaccinations. Whether you have a single community cat or a bunch of kitties, we encourage you to contact us at
813-9291212 or through our website for more information on our SNIP trapneuter vaccinate release program. This means healthier and fewer community cats in your neighborhood. Healthier because we can prevent diseases like rabies and fewer because all of the cats that we
treat are also spayed and neutered. Cats are eligible for the program at 8 weeks old. Pasco County is a strong and growing community and through our combined efforts, we can help save lives with three simple words, >> leave them be. >> Hi, I'm Anley with Pasco County Pavement
Management. People always ask, why can't you pave roads faster? Well, the process isn't as simple as it seems. We use two methods, which you can see here. They're called milling and paving and full depth reclamation and soil cement. What does
that mean exactly? Let's break them down. 90% of our paving projects are done through milling and paving, which takes about 2 weeks depending on weather and the length of the road. We start by grinding and removing 2 to 3 in of the
road. Then we sweep the road to remove fines. Fines are small particles of asphalt or lime rock. Next, we spray tac, which is a mixture of oil and water onto the road surface to make sure that the asphalt bonds to the road surface.
Then, we apply a layer or two of asphalt. Ever notice steam rising from the asphalt? That's because it's struck to the work site at a whopping 325° or hotter. Next, we drive a steam roller over the asphalt to make sure the
surface is flat and smooth. And that's it. Now, let's look at the second paving process Pasco uses, which usually takes a bit longer. Our geotechnician team drills into the roadway at the job site and take samples
to a lab to help us determine what mix to use. Then we create a mix to use on the road from materials we salvage from the pre-existing road. A machine grinds 10 in into the road base, feeding all that material into a giant mixing
machine where it mixes with other ingredients before being spread onto the road. The surface has to be set for a few days and then our team returns to the site to test the road's strength. If it gets two thumbs up, we grind two inches off the base, sweep the fines,
and add the tack and lay the asphalt. So, those are the two ways Pasco works to make your commute a whole lot smoother. Public works inspectors are on every job site to make sure there are no bumps in the road, so to speak. We follow tough guidelines and high
standards to keep our roads drivable for years to come. To learn more about Pasco County's paving process, please visit my passcode.net. And thank you for watching. Free Heat. Heat.
Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Oh yeah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. You know, maybe we should think more about what we do with our house and our
yard. I was reading the other day that all the chemicals that we put in our yard, the stuff you wash off the driveway, even walking the dog, all those things can result in pollutants that end up in our waterways like our rivers or streams, even the bay. Well, I guess it makes sense that when it rains,
all that stuff gets washed away. I guess it's got to end up somewhere. >> That's true. And we're all contributors. It's a shame. We love living near the water, but it's us that ends up polluting it. >> Well, then maybe we should learn more about these pollution sources and what
we can do to reduce our contribution. >> It sounds like a great idea. It's hard to think about Florida and not think about water. Water defines this state. The ocean, the Gulf, our bays, our thousands of rivers, lakes, and
ponds. They're all a huge part of life in Florida. A chance to live, work, and play on or near water is why many of us moved here. That's why many of us stay. And water provides more than a lifestyle. In Florida, it provides
livelihood. Water is crucial to our tourism, agriculture, fisheries, and many industries. All main components of Florida's economy. Florida simply wouldn't be Florida without water. That's why preventing
water pollution is important to all of us. For much of the 20th century, industrial waste and sewage were main causes of water pollution. Some manufacturers routinely dumped harmful chemicals and other materials into the nearest river
or lake. Cities often did the same with raw or barely treated sewage. The result was that many waterways, including sections of our own Tampa Bay, became so polluted that some could no longer support fish or other aquatic
life. But by the 1970s, in large part due to the burgeoning environmental movement, public awareness about the impact of water pollution began to grow. Shifting public opinion prompted new rules and regulations so that by the 1990s, state
and federal governments had cleaned up most of the obvious pollution sources. While those actions helped greatly, the problem of water pollution has not gone away. Today, the largest source of pollution for most parts of Florida, including Tampa Bay, and the rivers,
lakes, and streams that drain into it, is what we call storm water pollution. Storm water is simply rainwater after it hits the ground. This water either soaks into the ground or it runs off down the street into a storm drain or across the
land into a water body such as a river, lake, or pond. Along the way, the water picks up lawn pesticides and fertilizers, dirt and debris from construction sites, tire rubber, motor oil, and other chemicals from the
street, and waste from dogs, cats, and wildlife. The storm drain system is not connected to any treatment plant. So, any pollutants go directly into whatever water body is downstream. The same is true for runoff that drains across the
land into a water body that's not part of the storm drain system. This means the pollutants are reaching many of the same places where we like to swim, boat, and fish with our families and friends. And the pollution source doesn't have to
be in the immediate area. Our rivers, lakes, and streams receive their water from a watershed. A waterershed is the area over which water flows before eventually reaching a common larger body of water such as a bay or gulf.
Pollutants initially draining into one body of water could end up affecting another body of water dozens of miles away. What's the impact of water pollution? In some cases, it's mostly aesthetic. The water may smell bad or
have a strange color. But even if the pollution has no immediate impact on fish or other aquatic life, it can still diminish our enjoyment and use of the water. And many times the pollution's effect is much more severe. Chemicals
can cause fish kills and endanger other animals that live near or depend on the water. Debris can clog the water's natural flow, which can cause flooding. Debris also can disrupt and sometimes change the surrounding ecosystem.
Excess nutrients from fertilizers and animal waste can produce abnormal vegetation blooms, which can choke off a water body's natural plant and animal populations. In short, water pollution can ruin the
very thing that makes Florida. Industrial waste and untreated sewage, which at one time were major causes of water pollution, were known as point sources because the pollution came from a specific location or point, making it relatively easy to identify and clean
up. Storm water runoff, now Florida's largest cause of water pollution, is a non-point source. This means the pollution is usually spread across a wide area and as a result it's much harder to clean up. Polluted storm water
runoff can have many adverse effects on plants, fish, animals, and people. Sediment can cloud the water and make it difficult or impossible for aquatic plants to grow. Sediment can also destroy aquatic habitats.
Excess nutrients can cause algae blooms. When algae die, they sink to the bottom and decompose in a process that removes oxygen from the water. Fish and other aquatic organisms can exist in water with low oxygen levels. Bacteria and
other pathogens can wash into swimming areas and create health hazards, often making beach closures necessary. Debris like plastic bags, six-pack rings, bottles, and cigarette butts washed into water bodies can choke,
suffocate, or disable aquatic life like ducks, fish, turtles, and birds. Polluted storm water often affects drinking water sources. This in turn can affect human health and increase drinking water treatment costs.
Household hazardous wastes like insecticides, pesticides, paint, solvents, used motor oil, and other vehicle fluids can poison fish and other aquatic life. And people can become sick from eating diseased fish and shellfish
or ingesting polluted water. Pollutants are carried untreated through storm drains or over land to our neighborhood water bodies every time it rains. Even pollution from miles away can impact us as runoff makes its way across the watershed.
By now, most of us understand about the potential health, economic, and environmental issues associated with water pollution. But what many of us may not know is how we contribute to the problem. At home, when we use pesticides
incorrectly or overfertilize our lawn, we're adding those chemicals to the storm water runoff. We do the same thing when we blow grass clippings and leaves into the street. Dumping oil, painting materials, or household cleaners into the gutter or down the storm drain is
the same as dumping them directly