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allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, madame clerk, can we have the
roll call, please? Jamie Gerardy here. Christopher P here. John Moody here. Matthew Ms here. Jere Williams. Chairman Charles here. Proof of publication, please. The
items are advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on March 5th, 2025 and April 30th, 2025 or affidate to certify mailing list. All right. Thank you very much. Any minutes? I don't think there is. Nope.
Okay. All right. So, I'd like to welcome everybody today. We are the planning commission. We're appointed by the board of board of county commissioners and we meet twice monthly. We serve as a local planning agency and we hold public hearings and transmit to the board of
county commissioners. Our recommendations on comprehensive plan amendments, land development code amendments, resonings, and conditional use requests. Planning commission is the final decision-making body for special exceptions, certain appeals, variance
requests, and uh however, final decisions may be appealed to the board of county commissioners. If anyone is in opposition to any uh development code amendment, resoning, conditional use, or any item where the planning commission transmits a recommendation to the board
of county commissioners, it's important for you to attend the board of county commission meeting. Those of you not familiar with the pro format of the meetings, there are three sections. There are continuences. Those are items where the staff or the applicant has requested a
continuence for any number of reasons. It's been our tradition to grant those requests for continuence unless there are extenduating circumstances. We have consent items. We'll go through those items uh one at a time. As we go through a consent item,
if you want to be heard and pull from consent, raise your hand. We'll pull from consent uh for discussion. And then we then we have the regular items. Those are the items that will be fully vetted here today. Questions and
presentations. Applicants will have five minutes to make their presentation and questioners will have three minutes to state their concerns or ask their questions following the presentation. Um the uh applicant will have an opportunity to come back up and
respond to those questions. Uh then if there's been a request for uh additional time at least 24 hours before this meeting in writing and I don't think there has been uh where they may be granted extra time. Giana, we do not
have Okay. We do not have anybody that we do not have anybody that requested additional time. However, we do have a couple of individuals sign up for web today. All right. Thank you very much.
So, um, for those you of you that are in the audience today, actually, everyone that's here, uh, if you have a phone, please take a moment and make sure it's on the silent position so it doesn't disturb anybody that's trying to
speak. And before we start the meeting, is there anyone here to speak on an item that is not on today's agenda agenda? Okay. Being no one, um, so if you plan to give testimony or speak today, if you would please stand and raise your right
hand and be sworn. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give us the truth? So help you God. I do. Thank you. Okay. I think Jan, are we ready? All right. I think we're ready. Uh, good afternoon, Planning Commission members.
Giana German, Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. Item PC1 is PTE25-7749, a zoning amendment in the name of Pasco Mine MPUD. And this is coming with the request to continue the item to June 19th, 2025 planning
commission meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Newport Richie. All right. Thank you. Is the applicant present? Anyone here to object? Okay. And I think uh let's go through the continuences and then we'll vote. Item PC2, you'll be sitting as the
local planning agency and this item has a companion resoning item PC3. Item PC2 is PTE25-09, a comprehensive plan amendment CPA2403, Elite 52PD, and this is coming
with the request to continue the item to a date uncertain. Okay. Um, is there anyone here to speak on this one? See no one. Okay. And then item Sorry, go ahead. PC3. Yes. PC3 is the companion
reszoning to item PC2, PTE25-7811, a zoning amendment in the name of SR52 Elite-JP Development LLC. And this is coming with the request to continue the item to a date uncertain. And this is the last item on continuance.
Very good. Move we Thank you. Is a applicant present? Anyone here to object? All right. Do you have a motion? Yeah. I'll move that we continue item PC1 to June 19th and Newport Richie at 1:30 items PC2 and PC3 to a date uncertain.
Second. Okay, we have a motion and we have a second. Further discussion on the motion. All in favor of the motion signify by saying I. I I opposed like sign. Okay, a motion carries.
And the first item we have on the consent agenda is item PC4, which we now have individuals signed up to speak. And we ask that this item be moved to the first on the regular agenda. Okay. So, we're pulling PC4. Is that right?
Okay. And then the last item that we have on the consent agenda is item PC5, PDE25-2109, a variance request in the name of SC Signature Construction Corp, Inc. for a reduction of the required
minimum open yard requirement of not less than 150 ft to 14 ft in an I1 ind excuse me light industrial park district as required by the LDC section 528.9D located in west central Pasco
County on Crystal Circle approximately 0.25 25 miles northwest of the intersection of Little Road and Ridge Road containing approximately 63 acres. This is coming with the recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning, development, and economic
growth department. Okay. Is the applicant present? You want to hear to object? I see. Mr. Chair, I'll be abstaining from this vote. This is my project. All right, Mr. Mitty. All right. [Music]
Uh, okay. Do I have a motion? Motion to approve. Second. Motion in a second. Further discussion of the motion. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed like sign.
[Applause] Okay. And that was the remainder of the consent. So, the first item we have in regular is PDE 2578608, a zoning amendment in the name of Casting LLC Little Road Reszoning. All right. Okay.
[Music] Good afternoon. Brian Junker with planning development and economic growth department. Okay. Today presenting to you PDE 7868 a zoning amendment under the
name of Little Road reszoning. The proposal is a Uklidian reszoning amendment. The zoning changing from P2 professional office district to C1 neighborhood commercial district. The purpose of the applica the application
is proposing changing zoning from P2 to C1 neighborhood commercial. The location of the site is located on the northeast corner of the intersection of Little Road and Jasmine Boulevard. The subject site is located within the
embassy district of the west market area and is within the urban concentration area. Here is a context map of the subject site. Here is the aerial map. The future land use that is currently
commercial com. Current zoning is PO2 as currently mentioned. The project overview. The subject site consists of commercial pursuit on approximately 3.03 acres. Access to the property is from Little Road, a county maintained arterial
roadway with approximately 145 feet of rightway. Berries and Jasmine Boulevard, a county maintained collector roadway with approximately 80 ft of rightway. There is a conceptually planned um trail segment under the name of Little Road Trail located west side
of Little Road to US9. Current currently this segment is not a priority in the capital improvement plan and we'll mention the applicant has volunteered to record a deed restriction. The recommendation comes to you today with approval and requesting
an amendment to the board of the county the county commissioners. All right here for any questions. Thank you. Any questions? The applicant present. Anyone here to object? We do have two individuals signed up for
comment on this item. Okay. The first individual um Yeah. Do you want to make your presentation? Good afternoon, Chairman Gray and members of the planning commission. I'm Cindy Terrapany, Terrapany Planning Strategies. I'm a land use planner and
I'm the authorized representative for the applicant owner Castang LLC and I have been sworn in today. You'll probably remember this request. Um it was a plan amendment that you guys heard in October last year 2024. That plan amendment was approved by the bord of county commissioners in December of 2024
with sub area policies. And those sub area policies specifically prohibited three uses from being located on the site. Gas station, car wash, and self- storage facilities. I'm sure you all recall some of you had those same concerns. Some of the citizens, we had two people here during the hearings
before and they also had concerns about that. The reasoning that we have before you today does include a proposed deed restriction that eliminates those three uses from being developed on the site. Obviously, we heard you. We did the right thing. He the commission asked us to do that and we have have complied.
This threeacre site is at a signalized intersection of two major roads, Little and Jasmine. Um, Little, as you know, goes north and south throughout pretty much the almost the entire county. Jasmine is is a collector that goes um from all the way west to US19 and to
Hilltop Drive on the east. Um, traffic impact study was prepared for this case by grid engineering was approved by the Pasco County staff. The study shows that both Little Road and Jasmine operate an acceptable LOS both today and with the project. The project will only add 1% of
new traffic. Additionally, that signalized intersection also operates at an acceptable level of service both today and with the project's traffic added. Our request for C1 zoning with the limited uses per the deed restriction is consistent with the existing commercial corridor of Little
Road that runs from State Road 50 on the north all the way to Ridge Road. I've um previously submitted um these documents to you all. I'm happy to provide them again. the major commercial. At every major intersection of Little Road, there are commercial developments and commercial zoning. And those
intersections include State Road 52, this intersection of Jasmine at which the northwest corner is currently developed with the Walgreens store, Grove Drive, Fox Hollow Drive, Embassy Boulevard, and Ridge Road on the south. I do have the exhibits if you would like
to see them that show those uh intersections. I think I would like to introduce those into the record. Okay. Do I have a motion to receive and file? So moved. Second. All in favor? I I
thank you. Now, if you'd like to if you want to get into the details of the report, I I certainly can. Wait to see what the questions are. Sure. But just as you look at it, just note that the red stars on the maps um show where there is commercial zoning and commercial development.
Okay. Thank you. Um the C1 zoning is obviously consistent with the commercial plan category that the commission approved in December. We also know that you are well aware and my my applicant the developer is well aware that the county has detailed regulations for site planning uh permitting that must be
followed. We understand all of those to that we need to develop park parking, driveways, buffering, setbacks, etc. We believe the reasonzoning for C1 with the deed restriction at this major intersection is appropriate. It's a consistent with the comprehensive plan, consistent with the land development
code. Respectfully request your your approval and I'm happy to answer any questions. We have a few minutes for a rebuttal at the end if I could, sir. Sure. What uh what do you plan to put there? Do you have a plan yet? Sorry. What's the plan to put there? Um we don't the applicant um who is the
property owner does not have any buyers lined up yet. We're okay waiting to go through this um process and and then he'll he is marketing it but as you can imagine no one's willing to really step up until the zoning is approved. Understood. Thank you.
Cindy Cindy you indicated that the on this exhibit that you handed out the red stars are commercial commercial uses andor commercial zoning. And this I based on driving the site as well as aerial photography and of course looking at the zoning maps. And the maps
that I've provided to you are the zoning maps. They obviously show the commercial zoning locations. Yes. I I just noticed that like the southeast corner of Jasmine and Little, you have a star, a red star there. I don't know if I'm misinterpreting that, but that's not It's P1.
I thought you just said it was commercial. Well, office and commercial is what we uh I guess I should have made it a little broader. When I say commercial in this particular case, I'm referring to both office zoning and commercial retail zoning. Okay. Sorry, I wasn't clear, Mr. Jordan. Good. Thank
you. All right. I think there were a couple of people that had questions. Are they on the list? The first person we have signed up to speak is a Mr. Allen Rose. As you come up, if you give your name
and address, please for the record. Alan Rose, one221 Hilltop Drive, Newport, Richie, Florida, 34654. I have a presentation for for you all if you would accept. Move to receive and file. Second. Third and fourth. All
in favor? I I Okay. You want to just stand? Okay. May not be down there. So we can start the time when we get these pads out. Okay, go ahead. All right, go right ahead. All right,
good afternoon. Thank you very much for giving me the time. Uh, we at Golden Acres as we came to you back in the early part of this. I wasn't familiar with how this all worked and didn't have this ready for you. gone to our
community and our community does not want to see this reszoned. This is a beautiful parcel of three acres. Currently, it's part of Golden Acres Phase One, lot two. It's designated
within our land covenants as a wildlife sanctuary. This is also designated as a residential and agricultural usage within our land governance. There's and I brought this once I went for for the
first time before you. I had to then go to the county commissioners and brought this to them because I wasn't prepared for you at the first time. County commissioners, I brought this to them and they've approved what you've recommended and a C1 is lesser of all evils, but we would rather it not be
approved for that. We would rather it be maintained to maintain our community. Um, we have a lot of pressure on our community right now from developers. They all want what we have. They want our land and they want to bring in commercial usage or special case usage,
things that will alter and affect how we live. So if this gets approved, it then goes, we then have to take our covenants and pursue them legally and it becomes a civil matter. That's what I learned at the board of county commissioners
meeting. We don't want to go there. We just want to have our community maintained as it is. We don't want to lose what we have, you know, and it's if we start bringing commercial into what we have, it's going to really dramatically affect the traffic and
everything else that comes through our neighborhood. Right now, we're in a blighted commercial area. You can look right down the street, the shops at Golden Acres, all the empty buildings there that can never be filled up. You can go in different locations down at
ridge and little. Look at all the empty ones in there. They can't fill them up. You look at all these empty commercial spots and they are not full. They're still building commercial cuz evidently they can make money by changing the land and and selling and buying. But look at
all the emptiness. All of these empty storefronts that aren't filled. Look what happened to the mall. It's not good for our our community. Our community was built to to be residential. It's built to be agricultural, small agricultural.
The transition from us to further out. We need to keep what we have. Uh right now you can go and you see on here from Star Trail which is uh Oyola Heights all the way south to Grove and you're going to
see both communities are E er there is not one commercial parcel in there. You have a school you have different loc different things but they're not in in opposition to what we have.
You come in with commercial, they haven't decided what they're going to put there yet and they're going to destroy that three acres and that's really precious to us. Thank you. So, you said you didn't want it to be C1 commercial, right? What should it be?
the I voted against a comprehensive plan amendment when it came before us the first time, but now the board of commissioners saw fit to change the future land use designation to comm commercial. That only leaves a couple of
zoning districts which are suitable for this property and we can't leave a property without zoning. So what should it be? Estate residential. But they've already changed the future land use designation to comm. Can we change that back? Because they did not.
Because we've been opposing Golden Acres and if you go between Golden Acres and Hill and uh Ocola Heights, I represent over 200 homeowners that don't want to see this happen and they haven't been listened. They haven't been heard and that's why I'm here.
Okay. Well, I think to answer your last question, no, you can't change it back because you're not the property owner. Okay. Um, so we're left with what we're left with. And now we have to decide
what to do with it. You know, they you can't, no matter what you think, if you're a neighbor, you can't tell somebody they can't use their property, period. you know, for you can't just say, "Well, we like it to be a sanctuary." So, you
know, I hear you with, you know, well, but I understand. I lived out there for many, many years. In fact, I had we had one of the first houses out there. So, I I know a lot about that area. And I know about, you know, the Ool Heights area. It's not the same zoning in a Heights,
by the way. It's it's mobile home zoning from Star Trail South. It is. They're all er Yeah, I'm talking about North. Yeah, I know. You know, it's not er. Well, let me ask you this. Would you want to have an estate
residence fronting Little Road? Yeah, you you can go down all along Little Road from us down to Ridge Road and see all the nice, beautiful homes there are. And you can go north up until you get to the other side of I drive that road every day and I've done it for
a great majority of my life. I mean, I see homes that still front on Little Road and they're being used as home occupations, as offices. These are not pleasant places to live. Greens Roost has a lot of nice homes in it. The
when that area was originally developed, there was no little road. I know. And that's that's what changed the whole nature of that that area there. So, a lot of people that have homes on that road now are they've been there for years and there's still homes, some
homes on there, but you don't see anybody building a new homes on a little road right there. And my sister lives right down the street from that. So, I'm very familiar with it. So, uh um I did contact the next door neighbor, which they had not done. And that next door
neighbor but community, he signed the petition to say no as well. So, Mr. Sure. Just to be clear, the existing zoning of this property is PO. Mhm. Residential is not even on the table. There's that's not not even within your power to decide today. That's exactly
make that property residential. The reason from office to commercial. Your only choices are office or commercial. Not residential shouldn't even be part of this discussion. Mhm. That's that's what I was trying to tell you when you asked me about could you change it back. It was PO2. That would
be have to be acceptable. And then the the covenants on the land, when were those recorded? They were recorded in 78 and they're valid till 2028. Till 28. Yes, sir. Okay. And back when that area was originally
developed, they had a fairly strong homeowners association in Golden Acres. And they for a long time we were able to prevent commercial from going there in that on that section until they put little road in. That's when all the the
trouble started. And then the houses between Plaza Drive and Jasmine Drive, you know, they were they were basically stuck because they were already there. And uh now they had a road going through the middle of it, a commercial
road. So, you know, the I think from a practical point of view, the only way you can keep it from being developed the way you want it is for you to get your organization together and
buy the land. Just set it aside and that way you can control it. That's uh you know, that would be my suggestion. Thank you. I'll I'll bring that out to the community. That way you're in total control of it then. I know he's he's looking to sell it then
you can change maybe you can change the zoning back. Yeah. You know, but uh and as but as our attorney just told you, you know, the the only considerations we have are office or
commercial. Thank you. So, we're that's the situation we're in. But I appreciate your concern because I lived there for a long time. Thank you. We just want to preserve what we have as best we can. I understand that. Yeah.
Thank you. Thank you. The next individual we have signed up to speak is a Joanie Wilson. So, Miss Wilson, if you just give your full name and address, please. Yes, sir. Thank you. My name's Joan Wilson. My address is 910
Jasmine Boulevard. I'm about two properties down. Um I'm not fully opposed to the property being developed. Uh my biggest concerns are hightraic businesses. Um I know gas stations is out, but there's other
businesses like fast food or grocery stores or um I don't there's just a lot of things that bring a lot of traffic. And also with the vagrant population and drug population so nearby, I see a lot of businesses a little further north by
52 um that are consumed by people loitering around. Um we already have a growing homeless population directly across the street on the south side of Jasmine. Um that has gotten worse in the last few months. Um, and I just feel
like it's going to bring the wrong kind of people, the wrong kind of traffic to the area. There's an um a charter school right down the street. They line up in that little um it's not turn lane, but the merge lane right in front of that
property. Um that traffic would then have to be on Little Road um blocking traffic and causing problems for both the school and traffic. Um there's been numerous accidents there since last last meeting about this in October. Um just recently there was a car flipped on its
side. Um I think that that intersection particularly with that big hill right there where people can't see as well. Um I I feel like that may increase the amount of accidents there. I don't know why that spot's so bad. Um you can't safely cross the street there with the
amount of traffic there is currently. and adding a business where people might be doing U-turns or trying to come in and out of the business on Jasmine and Little um would make things worse too. Um just the pollution depending on what type of business it is, any kind of
runoff from vehicles like if it were to be like an auto shop or something. A lot of people in the neighborhood have gardens and a lot of people in the neighborhood have animals that would be affected by that. Um I well I don't think an auto shop
would be permitted in that. I don't Yeah, I don't know what is permitted, but um I don't mind a low traffic business, office spaces or something that doesn't draw a continuous most C1 businesses. You can go on the website and see what's
uh listed under C1, but they're beauty salons, doctor's offices, you know, those kinds of things. You don't have any heavy uses in a sequin zone. Grocery stores intended foods are not it's intended to be a neighborhood use. Yeah.
And I I mean I would prefer to see it stay office spaces um just because that is much lower traffic than even um like some of the things you mentioned just people coming and going all day. Office spaces tend to be smaller. attorney's offices, um, you know, maybe even
construction companies or places where there aren't people coming and going continuously. That's really what C1 zoning is all about is it's for not the heavy general commercial use like a shopping center. Okay. I just feel like I mean it still
would be a lot more than like an office where people are just coming to work and staying there mostly. you know, businesses where people are coming and going for a purpose throughout the day will cause more traffic. And I have two teenagers that one's learning to drive. Um, it's bad enough driving as a
teenager just that intersection's horrible. We usually try not to even go that way. Um, but the amount of people coming through the neighborhood is surprising. Like I don't think live in the neighborhood but cut through. Um, and we're right there at the beginning so anybody coming through will go by our house. We have tons of garbage in our
front yard that we have to pick up regularly. Um including I mean like an entire pizza thrown in our front yard one time, baby diapers, alcohol bottles, cans. Um it's just cuz everybody's either heading out to Little Road or cutting through and they don't care. Um
and the people right there where we are um cutting through there, they're usually coming off Little Road speeding. Um, so it just makes it really difficult and I just feel like there's a lot of things, you know, that an increased traffic in that area, it's going to
cause problems. [Music] Okay. Any other questions or suggestions for the speaker? You have any qu any more questions for you? No. No. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Appreciate
that. Anybody else on the list? That was the last individual I had signed up there. Okay, Mr. Araiy, you want to come back and respond? I suppose you've had an opportunity to speak to some of the
neighbors and um yes, actually I did speak with Mr. Rose. He was he attended the December um board of county commissioners meeting in 2024. We spoke to him. Then I got his phone number and his email address and I promised that I would send him uh let him know the dates of the hearings which I did. I have that
letter if you would like to see that. And I spoke to him this morning. I did not had not spoken to Miss Wilson before but she did attend um your hearing back in October and said had the same similar concern. She didn't want a gas station. So just to be clear again for the record, a gas station will not be
allowed, nor will a car wash, nor will self- storage facilities based on the deed restriction should you approve it. Couple other comments. Um, Miss Wilson mentioned a homeless camp. This site had a homeless camp also. It had three dilapidated homes um that were being used as this homeless
camp. When my client purchased the property, he demolished the homes and had the cops clear out the homeless camp. Um, he's recently about two months ago had to clear out for a pretty good fee to him um some debris and construction debris that somebody dumped
on the site. So clearly when properties are sitting there, bad things happen. But I think the fact that um there is no more homeless camp there and having a real development will be a benefit. Um just with regard to Jasmine and people driving through on Jasmine, um unless you live on Jasmine or you live on
Hilltop or Oyola or one of those other streets to the east, there's really no reason to to drive east on Jasmine. Um we don't think that very little of our traffic would go there unless they were stopping off on the way home and then continuing home east on Jasmine. Um it's
most likely that our when we get into site planning that that access on Jasmine will be a right in right out. Um we've had that conversations with your staff. So that again would also further prevent people going east on Jasmine. So I think there's a little very little
impact um with regard to that. Um two final things. Number one, um office zoning was approved on this site 28 years ago. It sat there for a long time. It had the houses on there. At some point the houses became dilapidated and not occupied, but no one ever implemented the office zoning on the
site. So I think that tells you something. Um, and now with the comp plan category of commercial, um, I think Mr. Gray said it, Mr. Moody said it also. The only zoning districts that can be put there are C1 or C2. We've agreed to C1 with those deed restrictions. We respectfully request your uh,
recommendation of approval. Happy to answer any questions that you might have. All right. Any questions from up here? Anybody? Yes. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, Cindy. All right. I hear a motion.
Which number is this one? Or even a motion for purpose of discussion? Yes. I think it's four. PC four. Four. Okay. Sorry. So, I will move to approve PC4 even though I voted against the comp
plan amendment on this property. I'll second it. Got a motion and a second. Is there further discussion on this motion now? Anybody have anything to discuss on the motion? Oh, I think I I'll just add and and I appreciate the applicant's
willingness to to accept the C1 versus the C2. I mean, considering and we've had cases like this come before us where you're a signalized intersection of Maine and submain that cries for some type of commercial use. Um, the board spoken, the board's reszoned,
um, you changed the comprehensive plan to commercial use. So, I mean, hands are really tied as far as what the zoning can be. So, I think the C1 for the residents there, although it's not their desired use, I think it's kind of the lesser of all evils. and and fortunately the the owner has agreed to those C1
uses and those prohibitions that are outlined in the declaration. So all right good any further discussion Mr. Chair just a just a cleanup note the agenda memo says that the traffic analysis is attached to the agenda but I
don't see that it actually is unless I'm missing something. [Applause] So, I would ask them make sure that staff before this goes to the board that they they're going to say the traffic analysis is attached, they actually need to attach it. Yes. Brian Junger, Planning and
Development, Economic Growth. Yes, I will uh revise and make sure um to attach it or make it you guys. You can go and vote on that. Okay. Publication. All right. You'll make sure it's attached, right? Yes. Okay. Thank
you. All right. All right. So, we have a motion and a second further discussion on the motion. If not, all in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Post like sign. Okay. Motion carries. All right. Next item on the agenda is item
PC6. It's PTE25-7781, a resoning request in the name of Enclave at Livingston MPUD. Presented by staff. [Applause] Good afternoon. William Vermillion, Planning, Development, Economic
Growth. This is the Enclave at Livingston Master Planned Unit Development. This is item PTE257781. This request comes before you reszoning request from AR Agricultural Residential Zoning District to MPUD master plan unit
development district with the current future land use of residential six six dwelling units an acre for the maximum development of 178 platted town homes on approximately 46 acres. Here is the current site location. in this subject site is just
north of State Road 54. Current access is off the existing 20-mi level road roughly half a mile east of the Collier and State Road 54 intersection. A little bit of a contextual map here. The subject property here is
outlined in blue. Just to the west there's the existing Catholic Church and the Academy at the Lakes School. Just to the east is the Terraella MPUD. That MPUD has approximately 730
approved dwelling units. It's a mixture of multif family, single family, and attached town homes. And just to the south, you can see those platted town homes. That is a current MF1 zoning with roughly 90 town homes at five dwelling units an acre within the residential six
future land use. You can see the existing 20-mile level road there outlined in red. And then the darker red shade and on the subsequent slides is the current terminus of the living
Livingston uh vision road which will provide access to this subject site. This is just an overview of of what I just mentioned based on the context map. Again, there is category one wetlands that separates the MF1 town
homes from the subject site. The location map where we can see though the just to the south those town homes as well as Tabella, the current zoning reflecting AR, the future land use of residential six, the surrounding areas all
characterized by residential six as well as some residential 9. This is the MPD master plan. Really all this does is illustrate the current wetland site constraints that large category 1 wetland and the southern portion of this preventing the
interconnection to the currently platted town homes as well as the code which already speaks to interconnects not having to occur per section 900 if there are platted units already in the ground. Here is
the binding MPD concept plan. You can see in red those are rear loaded town homes. The orange are front-loaded town homes as well as where this subject site will be connecting to Livingston Avenue as well as improving Livingston Avenue
from its terminus to where the project will be accessing. Here is the exhibit showing the actually let me go back a slide the pathway along Livingston
Avenue 8 ft is along the uh along the eastern boundary which will allow for pedestrian circulation internal to this site with the internal sidewalks. But the main boulevard continues north to provide meaningful access as well as open up the development potential of of
the property to the north and allow for pedestrian circulation both internal and to future development. Here is the current roadway exhibit showing the improvements the applicant is providing from the current terminus in the south to their access point along
with the pedestrian facilities which are along the rideway. This is the first phase of Livingston Avenue which is essentially the first two lanes at a later date. the um the western portion of the overall county vision road will
be built which is 124 feet shown here on the rightway typical. You can see here on the far right of the typical that is the portion of Livingston Avenue that will be constructed by the applicant. the future lanes and phasing to be constructed at a later time with the uh
the other 11 foot travel lanes as this 124 rightway typical section is more of a boulevard concept with the large median with that comes with a recommendation of approval from planning development economic growth I'm here for any questions
okay any questions for William I have a question yes sir so William is a little better than the prior application because you at least attached something but what appears that you attached is the timing and phasing methodology statement not the actual traffic study.
So that is correct. Um I do have the the timing and phasing. I took this project from a staff member prior to their leaving the county. The agenda had already been approved. Once I realized, hey, this staff member only put in the methodology. I will put the
the full 90 page timing phasing into the uh into the agenda prior to the board of county commissioners. All right. For the record, the clerk's office received letters um from staff opposition.
I apologize. I had that written down as my first thing to say. There are exparte communications that were provided to the clerk's office prior to this meeting. Okay. All right. Thank you, William. Thank you, Miss Clark.
Good afternoon. Barbara Woolhigh, 8627 Graham Boulevard, Newport Richie. While they're bringing up that PowerPoint, I can hand out something I'd like you to look at. [Applause]
Thank you. [Applause] Thank you. Have a motion to receive and file. Move to receive and file. Second. All in favor? I I
We had a neighborhood meeting on Monday evening and there were some good questions. Um, and I wanted to make sure that we uh put forward I always do that, right? If we tell somebody something, I make sure we put it in a condition. So, we can go over these, but I wanted to just tell you what the background was
with that. You've seen the project context map from from Will. Um, this is the future land use map. Res 9 to our west. We're in a sea of res six here. Urban service area, urban
concentration area. This is our project. Um, it's called the Enclave because it sits back behind these wetlands. You can see the wetlands on the eastern side between 20-mi level road and this project. And that's what
how it got its name, the Enclave at Livingston. As you've staff has already explained to you, there are there's four rows of rear loads and then on the outside are the front loads. something the board has been asking projects to
do. As you can see from the revised conditions, the the client has committed to the minimum lot width for these units will be 24 ft. Right now, the conditions would allow 20 and the maximum number of units per building will be six. Right now, the conditions would allow them to
all be eight unit buildings. This is the product, the front load and then the rear load. We're proposing 178 units. The the existing land use that the board of county commissioners, the county put on this property years ago is red six. We could
be allowed up to 215 um units. We're proposing 178 as a maximum. That's 5.32 units per acre. project compatibility. It's already been found consistent along 20 mile level road to
have threetory apartments directly adjacent to 20-mile level road. There's 311 of those units. That density is about 18.37 units per acre. So 18.73 18 units per acre is compatible
with 20 mile level road. Also, there's a four-story building directly adjacent to um 20 mile level road. As you can see here, there's 140 apartments um consisting of independent living, assisted living, and
memory care. To the south is a similar town home project at a similar density. The density there is five units per acre. Um this project is 5.32. Very similar um densities. And then we put a impact and
mobility fee um slide that just says what the total mobility fees were. This is something that came up at our neighborhood meeting. You know, what does what do projects pay? I don't think everybody recognizes the amount of fees that are paid um by these projects. Some key um conditions that I would point
out. Um one, we've agreed to a binding concept plan. Two, we've agreed to access easements for our interconnections to make sure that those are true interconnections to the north and the west and they can't be gated and that the public can use those um for true interconnections. We're dedicating
right away for future further extension of living road Livingston extension. We're dedicating a 30- foot wide area for an existing reclaimed water lane that water line that's not in an easement. We are constructing a portion of the vision road for no mobility fee
credits. portion of our project, as you can see on the binding plan, is required to have rearloaded town homes. We've agreed to exceed the code regarding visitor parking. We have to have a minimum of 0.25 visitor spaces per residential unit, and the key to that is that they have to be located outside of
the driveway and outside of the garage. So, we can't take credit for the driveway and the garage like the code allows for visitor parking. We are I have my team here and I think we'll just wait to kind of see what the public comment is and we'll provide more information after that. However, I have
a question about one of your conditions. Um your first condition talks about stabilizing Livingston Road Extension and using it for construction access. Are you saying that first of all, when would you do you saying you're
going to stabilize it before you start? we're going to stabilize it for before we have construction traffic um entering the site. And I can work on that language with you if you want. Um um but that's the but I guess my bigger question is does that mean you're not going to do any have any construction
traffic on 20 mile level road? I think the only thing that'll happen is when you have to get the equipment up to this location and mobilize the equipment, but once and we again we can work on language. Once the equipment's mobilized to do this stabilization, all of the work's going
to come up from um 20 mile, excuse me, from Livingston Road Extension. This was this was a question, a very good question by the residents and um wanting to make sure that we weren't going to use 20-mile level road for our construction traffic every day. So, are the are your utilities that you need for
the site, you don't need to do any additional work in 20 mile level road for that? through our utilities work will have to be done in 20 mile level road. Then I think you need to maybe clean up this language a little bit to make it clear what construction traffic will
continue to use 20 mile level road and what won't because I this it's a little vague. This makes it sound like all of your construction access is going to be using Livingston and it doesn't sound like that's totally accurate. Sounds good. Yes, the thought is there. I can clean up the language certainly. Thank
you for reminding me. All right. Is the 24 foot minimum lot width for front lo front front loaded town homes. Is that a new condition or is that It's on the MPD plan. The dimensional you can I'm not seeing it in Yeah, it's on the MPD plan. Okay. The minimum width of 20
is on the MPD plan. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Barbara. All right. Is there anybody here that would like to ask some questions or speak? The first individual that we have signed up for comment is a Miss Susan Lang. All right, Miss Lang, you gave us
your full name, Miss Lang, and your address. My name is Susan Lang. I reside at 2720 20-mile Level Road. I want to thank you guys for your time and consideration today. My main concerns and opposition to the product um revolves pretty much around traffic
safety, density, and some inconsistencies in the documents provided. The thousand square foot or thousand foot of Livingston to the north of Highway 54 is a little road that has a lot of traffic. Connected to that is Venezia Drive which connects Terabella
or Vabella Drive to Livingston. It dead ends at both ends. Um there are approximately the 311 or 331 apartments that utilize Livingston, that little snip. There's about 253 homes in Tabella. There's a senior
living facility. There's a Florida medical building and the commercial right there on 54 on uh 54 from the east side of Kier Parkway to Vabella is one mile and in that one mile there have been over 415 accidents
between 2011 and 2022. Approximately a hundred of those accidents occurred at that Livingston State Road 54 intersection. There were two fatalities in the same time frame. The interchange at I75 and State Road 56 had over 500
accidents. No fatalities. Also at Old State Road 54 and 56, there were about 40 46 crashes or so. No fatalities. The capacity of the signal at Livingston and State Road 54 will become overburdened with the addition of 500 plus vehicles
and the level of service will fail. When this happens, who's going to be responsible for that? Is that going to be Pasco County or is that DOT? According to the timing and methodology report that was given to me by Pasco County, um it was uh put
together July 21st of 23. The traffic count did not include a count on 20-mile level, nor did it include anything on Venezia Drive. If the existing count, which was done on the north side of Livingston, if it was done north of that Venezia drive, it's only going to count the traffic to the senior living
facility, which would give you some bad numbers. This is a unique intersection or a dead-end road. It's a dirt road, 20-mi level, that is soon to be connected to this Livingston extension. It needs a more conclusive count for safety issues. Um, I checked on Pasco
County site. There's something called Pasco Lives or Pasco Lives. And in there um in the housing element items four and five, it suggests that Pasco County should uh utilize land strategically and adopt a gentle
density to uh not affect the approach of single family neighborhoods and it doesn't affect the feel or character of those neighborhoods. So, I'm asking the planning commission to request a current traffic count, including 20-mile level road and Benezia Drive, as well as a reduction in density of the plan
development by at least 50%. Also, if the traffic count could include morning times, that would be critical. I don't believe it has the morning times right now. I believe it was restricted. In conclusion, I'd like some answers to some questions on the docket
today. It says Island Property Partners. Who is that? Nobody can answer this question. We're told at Stanley Martin doing the development. Who is Island Property Partners? Also, were the permits pulled for this development? Was it done by
Island Property Partners or was it done by Stanley Martin? On the methodology report on the map, it lists Vanilla Drive behind the commercial businesses on State Road 54. There is no Videla uh Vanilla Drive in Pasco County. It's Venezia drive. I don't know who produces
this report, but they need to correct it. Um, the same methodology report says the zoning was going from AR to MF1. I'd like to know how we got to MPUD. And I'm new at this, so I don't know. Last thing is uh we were told that they would keep
20 mile level open and we would like that, but yet on the documents in front of you with the exhibits A, B, and C, it says it's still closed. So, I just want some clarification. I'm asking for you guys to postpone this today so that further review and corrections can be made. Thank you for your time. Thank
you. Anybody else on the list? I'm going to go through the inperson list and then we can jump to WebEx. The next next individual that I have signed up in person is a Miss Melody Kelly. Okay. Hello. My name is Melody Kelly. 2125
Sweep Room Circle, Apartment 104, Loots, Florida 33559. Can you follow them up? Yes, we were provided and this is also on the public record for the school board for the impact study for where the the residents living in those town homes
where their children would be zoned for. As you can see, Rushi and Sunlake are at 100% and 107% capacity. Academy of the Lakes is currently the ones who have the property. They could expand theirs, but
their tuition is very expensive. But my other concerns and then can you pull up the traffic impact study? So this traffic impact the phasing and methodology was done in was at least met in the 23. Scroll to the
bottom. I contacted the FDLP to see who is in charge but since it's not a state road that is up to the county I could not get clarification. But if you look all the way to the [Music] bottom this is what we have the terminus that was mentioned by the gentleman
earlier. Further down it says Livingston Avenue, State Road 54 and Vanilla Drive. That's does not exist. That's supposed to be Venezia Drive. They might change it, they might not. If you could pull up the um
satellites, please. The 178 town homes will also affect the Huntington Ridge residents because we do not know what the setback will be. Keeping this as agricultural, it will at least be helpful for during hurricane season with heavy rains and flooding.
There's also, as you can see highlighted in blue, the Venezia drive. We also have pointed out the fact that there's Huntington Ridge when Stanley Morgan shows their enclave, their cutoff. Right at the bottom, you can see their pool and those properties.
doing any sort of cutoff on Livingston Road will also impact the fact that there are senior residence facilities and you have to get an ER and the only way you can get to that is through State Road 54. So we block off Livingston. We also block stuff off
further to the north. It is also a danger to anyone at the medical Florida medical clinic offices that are nearby, any of the senior residents, anyone living in the area, firefighters, EMS. So I propose that we postpone this
and not change it from agricultural because as stated earlier if it is changed it cannot be changed back. Meaning that if it is changed and something bad happens such as flooding, sinkholes, anything disaster wise that will be on the county and that will cost us a lot more money. So if you do not
mind, I propose that you postpone this to not change it from agricultural because it would impact a lot more people than originally proposed and acknowledged. So what would be the purpose of a continuence
to leave it be? Let nature be there. It could be expanded to the academy, to the church that is nearby, to the other church that is to the north, have more community spaces, especially because the town homes itself will not be gated.
They will be the prices are high 300s to $500,000. I'm not understanding your request. You're asking that we postpone this. Are you asking that we deny this or just postpone making this? I think y'all should I think y'all should deny it, but I know that there is more likely
a postpone. So I say deny. Okay, I understand. Do you have any other questions? No. Okay, thank you gentlemen. Thank you very much. Okay, we have you say we have somebody
on WebEx. We have just a few more signed up for inerson comment. Um the next that we have is a Miss Laura Rice. Welcome, Mr. Rice. If you could give us your name and address, please. Sure. My name is Laura Rice. My address is 5425
Angelonia Terrace in Lander Lakes, Florida. I'm in the Dupri, right off of Collier Parkway. Um, I think that this should be absolutely denied. Um, as a medical provider myself, I see a lot of the struggles of parents and my patients. um
and the affordability of uh child care as well as school spaces for children. And I think this land would be much better served in uh the community and adding like with the rec center. It's on a
lottery system now because so many people want to have their children there because it's the only affordable option for child care during summertime and spring breaks and things like that. And people were chomping at the bit because
otherwise it's $250 a week per child. That's if you have two children, $2,000 a month in this economy. It's killing people. Um, and even as a healthc care provider myself, my other half does not
make a fraction of what I do. I am the head of household and we still struggle with paying for child care. I am very blessed that my daughter will be finally going into kindergarten, which helps. Um, but I think this better this would
be better served for our community as well as the danger of the traffic. Um, I was trying to get to my sister's house at 1:00 on a Saturday and traffic was backed up from the interstate all the way past Caller Parkway and almost to
Highway 41 at 1:00 on a Saturday. If you add 178, you know, more houses that they said are going to be two and three bedrooms, think about the amount of cars that that's going to add to that area. I feel like
um before any development of extra houses and things like that should be done, we should be looking at this land and what we could do with these lands for our community and for the needs of our community and struggling parents and struggling citizens. the assisted living
facility there. It's very rare to find memory care and as a provider specifically to older adults, memory care facilities and things like that are a necessity. People are struggling to care for their loved ones who are getting violent, who are trying to leave
the house in the middle of the night because of sundowners and things like that. I I just I think it would be a very big disservice to our community to put more houses there that are outside of a working parents income. Um and
especially so without making sure that our infrastructure and our community needs are met. Do you guys have any questions? Any questions from up here? No. Um, I don't have any questions for the speaker, but since now this is the third
speaker in a row that has raised traffic issues with this application, I'm increasingly concerned that we don't have the traffic study for this project. Can anybody email us the traffic study? I mean, all we have in our application packet is a methodology statement that
may not even be right because it's talking about a reszoning MF1. I mean, does anybody have the actual traffic analysis for this? They can send it to the planning commission. I see SN raising his hand. And can we get a summary of what the results were
of the traffic analysis? You can you can sit down now. I'm trying to get somebody. I just had one other thing real quick. So to go from Collier Parkway, the northern by hail down to turn onto 54 takes almost 20 minutes to go that small four mile distance because
the problem is is people cannot turn from Collier onto 54 also again due to that traffic backup. Um it just it's just too much traffic that 54 can't handle it much less more. Thank you gentlemen. You have a day. Thank you. Thank you.
Good afternoon. Asen Khalil, Development Review Services. I'll send uh David the traffic report to you. Actually, Stacy is sending it right. I'd like the whole planning commission to have it. Yeah, you will have it in the next couple of minutes. But anyway, the study was done
for 178 town homes. Uh the AM trip generation for the project overall and the PM I'll keep the numbers for it. They generated a total of 87 trips in the AM peak and 103 in the PM peak. They
are their traffic distribution. So shows some 10% traffic going down Venezia drive if you can see Venezia 90% goes down to the intersection at 54 and then at 54 is basically 40% 35% and 10%
heading south 15%. That's Livingston. That's Livingston. Okay. Right. So staff had reviewed their project traffic distribution, agreed with it. They're using a buildout of year 2030. So the traffic that they assumed, the future year traffic that they assumed,
they took the existing traffic, and then they applied a growth factor of 2% to year 2030, came up with the buildout volumes, added the project traffic, and did the intersection analysis. The analysis results uh just
give me one second. the intersection at uh 54 um on Livingston Avenue from State Road 54 to uh the the the project entrance. These are link volumes. The it's a VC of
31. It's very low. So there's no capacity showing that northern segment of Livingston 54 from Collier to Livingston it is a 1.33 V overC. So it is you know failing
basically it's above E. Um and the section on 54 from Livingston going east to Oakrove the standard is D. It's also at a V over C of 1.32 volume to capacity. So it's not doing really well.
But that is the case in existing and that is the case in the future build out. It's the background traffic that is and the existing traffic that is causing the failure. Project traffic is contributing point 0.1% to what is there right now or will
be there in the future. So their percentage their 178 town homes is.1% you know significance consumption of the capacity at the intersection. Is there any kind of analysis at the intersection of Livingston and 54? The
concern is there any kind of analysis of how the intersection operates at Livingston and 54? Yes. [Applause] I'm going to ask my colleague who actually reviewed the traffic study. Ben, you can join me for a
second. I see Livingston Avenue in project access 54 at Livingston. Yes, it was analyzed in the traffic study. The intersection is currently signalized and results shown that u it has insignificant impact to the VC ratio
with the project traffic added to the background traffic. Um the report that you will receive what's the level of service of the intersection? Yeah. The eastbound movement the 2030 background traffic with the project
added to it. Your eastbound movement is a VC of eastbound uh what is that eastbound left is at.383 what your um the through is uh 1.15 so
your through volumes that are heading eastbound are failing above 1.0 you know, and your rights are not an issue. It's.12. And when you look at the westbound direction, the westbound left is at like
085. The through is 1.2 again. So, heavy through volumes and the westbound left is a non-issue. It's 04. When you look at northbound, if you're heading north on Livingston, you pass 54, go through the intersection. Your northbound left
is failing. It's 1.04, just above one. Your northbound through is 46. There's hardly much traffic. Is there like a diagram in there of that? No. There's a table here that you'll get that shows you the V over C by movement.
Page 14. And the southbound direction is there is no failure identified. So the major failures are happening eastbound through and westbound through traffic which is heavy. And is there any accident history in
there? No, they did not evaluate accidents. I don't know. The applicants engineer is here. No, they did not. Okay. Page 14. Go to table three. If you scroll down, there'll be a like a table.
Say table three. Table two. Table three. Just just turn it pivot it 90°. Right. So, I'll wait till you're done answering that question. I have another question about the traffic. I don't know if you all can see
anywhere. It's on our screen. Yeah. [Applause] [Applause] [Music] [Applause]
[Music] Ma'am, you can't speak from the audience. I don't know if you your question was answered. Was it? It was answered. Can I ask you my question? Sure. Um, so thank you for sending the traffic analysis.
This is helpful. Um in the conclusion section it mentions that to deal with the failures of the link it [Music] says that there's improvements in the cost
affordable plan and needs plan that would that will improve the level of service along 54. What are those improvements? Do you want to speak to that Steve? He he's referring to the state road 5456 study that was done. There's
improvements identified at Collier and 54 intersection and interchange in the cost uh in the needs plan I believe and uh improvements at 54 and 41 are identified as well. I'm aware
of what's being planned at 54 and 41, but is the suggestion that that's going to improve the level of service at Livingston? I'm not I'm not sure if I understand what it will improve your congestion that you experience and the delays that you
experience because in the peak hours 54 and Collier fails basically eastbound and westbound PM peak the westbound direction is backed up. question is if if hypothetically they built an overpass at CER, will that improve the level of
service at Livingston? In my opinion, yes, it will because your failing volume, the qu the cap the volume is failing because a threelane or six lane capacity is exceeded by the amount of traffic and
the choke points for any through traffic is always a signal. Whenever traffic comes to a stop, it is impacting the through output of that intersection and and you need it to allow the cross streets to operate or else they'll never be able to get any gaps to get out. So
if if 54 is going over Collier Parkway, that ripple effect that happens going towards 75 when traffic backs up in the evening, you won't have that back backup or not as significant of a backup. saying the congestion at Livingston is due
to the backup at at 41 at at Collier Parkway. Definitely. Now, if we and there's there's a fly over at CER in the cost affordable plan. I I believe so. Yes, that's I think that's needs plan. Sorry. Cost needs
Yeah. Well, as you know, I've expressed concerns about you using the needs plan for purposes of traffic studies because it it's the needs plan is basically pie in the sky. It means we can't afford it, right? Cost affordable. The only thing
that's realistic in the LRTP is what's in the cost affordable. It is in the cost affordable. Sorry. So, there's a fly over at CER in the cost affordable plan. else.
It's uh it's shown in the mobility 2045 map and so it's in the cost affordable plan. We have a fly over at car. I'm just that's on a map. Is that the improvement that's going to really Yeah, it says maybe you could explain what you meant when you said it talks about it
highlights the intersection as a new improved interchange. Get out of at Collier. Okay. And that's in a the cost affordable plan. Yep. That's the page from Okay. So, Steve Henry Linkson Associates 5023 West Laura, Tampa 33607. So, yes, in the cost affordable, this
was the 2045 cost affordable plan at the time we did the analysis that there was an interchange in there with CER. In addition to that, there are identified and we I was actually on the committee for the 54 analysis that went from US19 all the
way east of 581. And there's there is improvement that we never came to a final absolute conclusion as to what that is. But there would be parallel capacity on 54 and that is also identified in the cost affordable plan as an improvement to help the capacity
and operation of 54. Those are things like whether it be frontage roads, whether it would be elevated roads, whether it be you know the interchanges, but there are multitude of different options that we explored at that point in time to help that overall segment of 54.
What? Well, the only one I'm aware of is the widening potential widening of county line. And for this segment of 54, what parallel road are you talking about? Well, it would be and that's what we're saying. There wasn't a final determination as to what that additional operational capacity improvements would
be. One of the things that we explored was the ability to do an elevated roadway or other options like that that may be where we would put in frontage roads and other options in the cost affordable. It it is in in there what it says in there and you look at the cost affordable plan. highlighted for that
entire segment of 54 and it says capacity operational improvements from US19 to east of 581. So it wasn't identified exactly what those would be because we never came to a final conclusion as to what those improvements
but there is the understanding that there would be some improvements during that time frame that would help the overall operation of 54. So that's why we say in the conclusion that there is there is something identified. It's just not what that specific improvement is. That's why
we couldn't identify exactly what that is. But it is identified as a a need um CER is specifically identified. The the interchange with um 41 and CER are specifically identified in in on the plan. And in your opinion, will the
inter will the improvements to Collier alleviate the congestion that was identified at Livingston? Well, there are a number of things that that that would would help that. One is is that the other is the vision road uh as Livingston potentially goes north and ties into CER as a parallel facility
ultimately, you know. So, there are things like that that would help the overall operation of that intersection. Okay, just a quick question, Steve. And I don't I'm not trying to insinuate, just don't understand. I'm looking at the
northbound movement and it has a V TOC of 106 with the 203 or 1.06 with the 2030 background traffic and then when I add the project traffic it goes down to
1.04. How does it go down? the the program that we use which is actually the one that the county and DOT require that we use uh in some instances because of the reallocation of traffic it will actually reduce even though we
don't change the timing don't change anything else it will actually sometimes reduce that VC ratio just based on the volume and reallocation in the program itself but it is a it's unfortunately it's a program we have to use but that's that's what happen. It does sometimes
get actually give you a little bit lower VC ratio for specific movements within the intersection even though we don't change any of the parameters. Um, and believe me, we've we've I've actually gone to the um the people that produce the the program to ask them those
questions and I I never can get a a true straight answer. So, but but that's but but it it o overall gives you the general what what the what the operation of the intersection is, but it will give you some because when you change the traffic in there, take this for what what you
will. Yeah. But your last name's PE just like mine and the board rules are pretty clear that you're responsible for the output of your software. You can't blame it on the software. No, but what what I what I can say is that what I'm telling you is that that that's why it will give
you a slight a a slightly different answer is because of the reallocation of the time within that intersection for those movements. It will it will even though you increase traffic in that one movement, it will slightly decrease the VC ratio.
Okay. So Steve, while you're up here, do you want to explain why the methodology says the zoning to MF1? Sure. So what happened was if you know with with when you do Uklitian zonings to file the zoning, we have to have the traffic study approved. So when they
first started this process, they were going to zone the property MF1. So we did the methodology and submitted the analysis based on MF1. after they met with staff, staff asked them to know, can you make it an MPUD? But at that
point, we'd already had the methodology approved, already had submitted the analysis. So that's why it it was MF1 because that was the original intent. But but to submit, we have to have the analysis approved. So that's why there's that discrepancy. The numbers are the
same. We just ended up staff asked them to go to an MPU. So you're saying the entitlements are the same. Did not change. Did not change. The only thing was just what we called it because of the timing of when that analysis has. And I'm assuming this graphic that shows
some distribution to vanilla drive is really that that's a typo. Yes, that's a it's been easier or whatever. Yes, correct. Yes. Just by way of commentary, I think if in the future if you guys are going to put in a traffic study that there's feature improvements that are going to alleviate
congestion, you need to identify what they are or or attach the pages from the cost affordable plan. It is the cost affordable plan is actually in the appendix. So we have the the CIP, the um cost affordable plan and the needs plan are all in the appendix of the report
and identified. You did apologize. Sorry, I just got it. So to look at this previously. Yes. Thank you. Hey Steve, while you're up here, since you mentioned it, Livingston punching north to Kier. Is there I know that's vision, but is there any timing on that that
you're aware of? Not not that I'm aware of. No. Okay. Because that would substantially alleviate a lot of movements through that area. I drive that area extensively and that that intersection at Kieran 54 is really bad. Sure. Yeah, and that's why it is
identified as a interchange in the future. Yeah, I would agree that the improvements down to 41 and 54 would help that to to a degree and I know that's high priority, but I'm not sure how much it helps it in the end because I think the real issue is going east to towards the outlet center. Do do we know
anything about the nature of the the accidents at the intersection? The lady testified that there were 400 and something accidents at that intersection and only 500 down at the
interchange as compared to this. I I I thought she had mentioned a segment of roadway, not specific intersection, but maybe I'm incorrect. We can certainly actually pull them up pretty quickly here. Um I guess that
that's Yes. I'd like to know more about what's the what's the typical c or is there a typical cause? I mean, is this a sure is this a problem that's a function of this poor intersection or is there some repeating pattern that
we see here? I want to make sure that if we approve something here that we're not going to aggravate that. Sure. No, that's not our problem. actually um with your your staff has the ability to pull that up and look at it pretty quickly to see what what those accidents were at
that intersection. Which staff is that? All right, sitting right there. So, we were just looking at earlier. So, he he has the ability to look at that. So, we can we can certainly look at that. Okay. While we're going through this. So, Steve, I did look at what you attached.
Yeah. And it's from the 2045 LRTP. We now have a 2050 LRTP. So, no. And and I agree. That's why I had said in my in my comments that we used the 2045 because that's what was in effect at the time we did the analysis. Okay. Well, now that
we have an adopted 2050, have these improvements changed? That I honestly I'd have to look I have not looked at that. Okay. Should we be using the plan that's in effect when we approve the resoning? I mean
I I mean I'd like to know if the 2050 plan is any different for these projected improvements that we're talking about for CER because anybody tell me we can certainly look at that and see. Okay, Mr. Moody, I can get the the
traffic accident data, but I have to request it from traffic operations. They can uh release that. They they gave me some traffic data today for Shady Hills accident reports. I have to put in a request. I do not have direct access to that. I
understand. Okay. All right, Giana. The next individual we have signed up for public comment is a Mr. Wyatt Witson. Hello, my name is Wyatt Witson. I live on 4121 Jerry Lane. Mr. Witson, would
you speak a little louder because I think people will have trouble hearing you. Yes, sir. Thank you. I would just like to say adding 300 plus cars to our road will disrupt our way of life. For generations, we've ridden
horses here. My grandmother, my mother, my my mother, and now me. Our local school's track team trains here because it's safe and quiet. If this road becomes overrun with traffic, it won't just be inconvenient.
It will it will be dangerous. with will lose the ability to ride, to run, and to feel safe in our own community. Please don't take this away from me.
Okay, that's all. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. You're next. The next individual we have signed up is a Miss Linda Brown. [Laughter] [Music]
Sorry. Good afternoon. My name is Linda Brown. My address is 23450 Boulder Crest Place, Land of Lakes, Florida 34639. [Music] And I feel that there's no real consideration has been given to the
community or the families who live there. Many of for generations. Some of us have called this area home for over 55 years. This is not just a development site. It is a living living breathing
community with deep cultural roots, shared history, and a way of life worth protecting. When Collier Parkway was built, it introduced severe flooding. I remember
waiting through waste deep water in our own driveway, passing snakes, fish, and even alligators just to reach our cars and have to change clothes before going to work or school. Then Tabella was built and flooding happened again.
SwiftMUD had stated that Tabella was a direct contributor to some of our flooding. Now, we're facing another large-scale development, 178 town homes with only one entrance and exit point.
That's hundreds of additional vehicles entering and exiting daily. a single access road, creating traffic congestion and raising serious safety concerns, especially during emergencies, flooding, and
evacuations. The natural wetlands that help recharge our aquifer and manage storm water are being destroyed. The retention ponds being installed as a replacement is not offering the same environmental
benefits. They still they fill with silt and lose their efficiency quickly. And when this project is finished, the developers will leave just like they did at Tabella. But we, the residents, will
be left to deal with the long-term consequences. increased flooding, environmental degradation, unsafe traffic patterns, and the loss of rural cultural that defines this community. We
are not against growth, but we are against reckless shortsighted development that ignores local voices, dis disrupts ecosystems, and prioritizes profit over people. Responsible
development must be rooted in sustainability, transparency, and respect for the families and the land that are already here. All right. Thank you. Any questions? Just just clarification. Where where do
you live, ma'am, in relation to the development? I grew up on 20 level road. Okay. Thank you. Oh, I have pictures, too. Yeah, that's next to the driveway where the water had
receded. That's that's my cousin's house. And there's water all the way up to his home. That's the driveway. When are these photos? Pardon me. When are these photos taken? When? At different times
throughout the years. Okay. They're not all the same time. This that's my cousin's home. And that's actually taken from there's a pond between my mother's home and my cousin's home. And the pond goes from his house
or way up past his house to my mother's house. That's outside the door. That's another home that's on 20 mile level road. Another [Music]
one. That's the driveway. That's the driveway. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. The next individual we have signed up is a Miss Mary Bartlett. Good afternoon. My name is Mary Bartlett. I live at 3854 Satious Place
in Lando Lakes, Florida. 34639. Thank you. We moved to this area 26 years ago. And the development since then has caused so much, and I'm going to say it again, traffic. It used to be we would only get on to
Collier Parkway from weeks and then of course the development went through to Bell Lake Road. From my house it's only 2.3 miles from my house to Collier and 54. It takes me 18 to 20 minutes because
of the backup is so bad. I also go to a church which is west of 20 Mile Road. It's called Lake Myrtle. It used to be a Baptist church. Now it's just Lake Myrtle Church. And when I try to get into there because there is a where you can turn
into the church, I cannot get through. The backup from Collier Parkway all the way down past almost past the mall is so bad I cannot get into the church. I have to go down to Livingston and try to make
a Uturn to actually get into the church. And so for me, 400 extra cars, let's just say hypothetically two cars, three cars per, it's just going to make it a lot worse. And the traffic is getting so bad, it's dangerous. And when I do try
to cross into the church and people are trying to stop because there's three lanes of 54, someone's going to get killed. So that's why you either have to go down and make a U-turn or risk your life. The other thing that people have not mentioned, I'm an environmentalist.
I moved out here because of the deers, the gopher turtles, and all the beautiful life that we have. Nobody is considering what's taking 46 to 50 acres. What are we going to do with those creatures? What are we going to do
for the deers? There are now three dead deers right now on Collier Parkway. And I know people want to make money, but at what cost? And so for me, I personally think between the traffic and like I said, I'm I'm I'm a environmentalist. I
believe that we're in dominion over God's world. And so for me, money over creation, over land is ridiculous. And I I love where I'm living, but it's actually dangerous for
me to try to get on to 54 anymore. It really is. And I I think this project should be denied in my opinion. Um and I my biggest question is and this is this is a question I have in the last five
years how many projects by the commissioners have been denied because of people like us who are against it. Thank you. Thank you. Where do you live? I live on 3854 Satious Place. If you
take Collier all the way down, it used to be you couldn't go down to Bell Lake Road, but you go down to Weeks and follow it all the way around. I live in a teeny little side street called Satious. It's spelled S like in Sam. Ei place. And I live on a culde-sac. And
when I built my house, we had to have an engineer come in and do a drainage plan so that we would not flood the people alongside of us because it does flood. You should see the culde-sac when it rains. It's ridiculous. And I just think
projects like this will make that worse. Thank you. All right. Anyone else? Last individual we have signed up for inerson comment is a Mr. George Cavalier. Sorry,
Mr. Kavaloo. Could you have your full name and your address? My name is George Cavaloo. I live at 23651 Harmony Lane. Used to be 2818 20 Mile Level Road, but Pasco decided to uh be courteous and change it for us. Got to move without
actually moving. Um I was here to talk about the traffic study that was done. My uh information was that it was done in October of 2023. It was done between the hours of 4 and 6. Now I just got new information that um it was done more
and the ones that actually ordered the traffic study don't seem to fully comprehend what was there. I would ask for continuous just so we could study that a little further because now I'm talking of something that wasn't actually happening. But can you pull up the aerial of that
[Music] area? What I'm my concern is the traffic study I assume that they did was that it was only on Livingston. It was I assume a weekday that school was in and so
there were no holidays, federal holidays. So it would be normal traffic, but it was only done on Livingston. It was done between the hours of 4 and 6 p.m. If you look at the map, go up a little bit there. Terabella has 250 homes. Assuming there's two two cars per
home, but let's say only 50% uh 200 cars, 200 people are going to go to work. If they work east of Tabella, they can go westbound on 54, they can go right into Tabella, right on the main entrance. If they're go if they work
west of Tabella, they'll have to come down 54 eastbound. They have an entrance there right into the main. If you're coming from the south up, if you're coming up uh Livingston itself at the light, you can go straight into where
the uh into Livingston North and then make the turn onto Venia Drive and go in that way. Or you can make a right-hand turn right on Red. They'll get through quicker and then go through the opening in the median. The study wouldn't have uh if it was the study that I was informed it was didn't
take into account the morning hours. Terabella, if you want to go west, you can come out of the main entrance and just shoot straight down to CER and go south into Tampa or north or wherever. However, if you want to go east, you want to go towards the
interstate, you have two choices. is you can go across three lanes of traffic which between the hours of 7 to 9 is pretty packed. In fact, I've seen it there where it's gone from the light of Kier up almost to Terabella which is a
mile on the right hand lane. You've got to shoot all the way across into the left turn lane. Then you have to wait for that light. That light is a longer light than the one that goes onto Livingston eastbound. So now you have Terabella can come through to go to go eastbound on 54.
They'll come through on Livingston, which those cars would not have been counted if the study was done between 4 and 6 p.m. It would not have been counted in the morning when people are actually leaving. Disregarding even the ALF because those people aren't working and the apartments you if you put this
development and you're adding another 200 cars at a minimum to the traffic that's there. I I think their study is bogus in my own opinion. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. But I would like a continuence at least until we could study their traffic report or request a new one that is more
current and uh done with the left turn lane, the left turn lane onto Livingston on 54, Livingston itself, and then the lanes on Livingston on the south side of 54 and also 20 mile level. So we can
account for those otherwise that study is useless and you can see already how impacted it is at over 100 you know 1.04 04 and the other numbers that were there, you know, that's really high traffic and that's because pretty much
Pasco County's a lot of, you know, uh, unsustainable development so far and now you're just going to add to it if you approve this. Truthfully, wouldn't mind if you approved a three houses per acre. That wouldn't be as bad. Wouldn't help us, but it
wouldn't be as bad. and uh you know it'll be a nice transition from an AR one to the three. It's a better transition than just six houses per acre and highdensity housing. The meeting that we had with the developer and the
the uh attorney and the civil engineers, all it pretty much did was uh confirm that we're not just getting the short end of the stick. We're about getting no end of the stick in this case because it benefits us. It actually hurts us. There's no benefit to the residents at
20 mile level Tabella or Huntington Ridge. It affects all of us. You have any questions, be happy to answer them for you. Uh where do you live there in that area? Well, I'm on I it used to be 2818 20-mi level road, which uh 20 mile
level road at certain times. Uh those people in the third world banana republics laugh at us because it's so bad because they can't even you can find money for a lot of things, but they can't pay that threequarters of a mile or half or mile, you know? I mean, I I
have a classic car. I can't even take it down half the time because it'll just rattle the hell out of it and it's hard to find the parts for a 1970 Bonavville convertible. Okay. I almost died to get that car. So, that was my uh one gift to myself after
I get out of the hospital. That'll be the second time. I hope you enjoy that. That's uh I It's hard to because you know all that lime dust as soon as I get on to go down the road. I mean, the car is full of lime rock, lime dust, you know. You can't we can't have
anything nice over there. My car, my Toyota, that's my daily driver is disgustingly the paint is was gone after two years. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them, but I would request at least another traffic study. Do we have
any other questions for uh I don't Okay. Okay. Thank you. And we have people on WebEx. We do. We have three individuals signed up on WebEx. Uh the first individual Well, I'm going to take a fivem minute recess. Okay.
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areas. So that's that's always my comment to them. Hopefully they'll take into consideration. That's always a part of my game my struggle as well. Okay, let's reconvene. All right, I think you should add some
people online. The next individual we have to speak for item P6 is a Jonathan Hec. Okay. Hi, good afternoon. My name is Jonathan Hec. I live at 2610 20 Mile Level Road
and we have a significant flooding problem on 20-mile level road. As Linda had uh previously mentioned, um I live within that flood zone. So, my property is actually within a flood zone. The
issue that we have is the flow path where all of this water drains through was created in 1950 by Swift Mud and Pasco County to alleviate mosquito control. It was never designed for the
intended use that it's being used for right now. Tabella, the apartments at Tiraabella, the assisted living facility, they all use an open basin, which means all of the water rolls off into this flow path.
That's an incredible amount of water. the DP, the FLD, Pasco County, and an independent engineering study done by the builder all have indicated that this flow path cannot handle the amount of
water that is being um presented to it. With that said, an addition of the enclave at Livingston, even though they are creating retention ponds to handle this water, the key word in this is that
these retention ponds are designed for normal rain conditions. Whenever we have large rain conditions, we have a massive amount of runoff from all of these properties. And all of this water runs through this drainage path that goes
through my property to the big Cypress swamp to the north. It can't handle it. We can't handle any more water until this flow path is improved. I'm not saying that buildings shouldn't continue to
progress or what have you, but you can't I'm telling you you can't, but you shouldn't approve this knowing that the surrounding properties can't handle the existing amount of water that is currently being introduced to it. with the enclave at
Livingston. All of that wetlands, everything from the north 20-mile level road runs south on 20-mile level road, goes into those wetlands, turns around, and then comes back north again through this man-made drainage ditch that was created back in the 50s. Again, this was
never designed for the massive amount of drainage that is being presented to it. So until this drainage is improved, you can't continue to send all of this water through my property. Um they're currently scanning some pictures and
some photos and documents. I have copies of the property appraiser site where you can see back in 1954 this drainage site didn't exist. And then they came through and very abruptly cut this drainage ditch
ditch simply to drain this area of water to help control mosquitoes. They never thought it was going to be the main drainage path for all of these surrounding communities to be draining water into it. So you can see in like 1975 it it exists, but when you look at
current day drainage, it's filled in. All this silt and runoff from surrounding properties and all of the limestone from 20 mile level road, everything that's been carried through, the drainage is no longer even even able to access the amount of water that's
coming through currently, let alone removing any amount of wetlands that are actually helping control the amount of water that we currently have. So, I'm asking that you deny this um request to reszone this property
because my property is already showing um flood amounts that are greater than the 100red-year flood plane. If you look at the 100red-year flood plan and you look how bad that I flood, not just during Hurricane Milton, not just during Hurricane Debbie or any other
hurricanes, under normal situations, when we get just heavy amounts of rain, my property will flood to the point where it's greater than what it shows on the 100red-year flood plan. Okay. Well, we we I think we have four engineers on this board, so I think they
can speak to that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Do you have any questions right now? Well, you said that these retention ponds are designed for everyday events and not big events. Yes. Can you elaborate on that? Yeah. So, the
retention ponds, you know, I was speaking with the engineer for the group. They're designed for normal rain conditions. What does what what do you mean normal rain conditions? An afternoon 3 4:00 rain event that happens, the retention ponds will control a certain amount of water that normally would have been runoff. But
when we get these heavy rain events, we've seen the surrounding retention ponds fail and they will overflow and then go straight into the flow path that runs through my property. Okay. Well, I'm not believing Mr. Couch told you
that, the engineer for the project, cuz he knows what the design criteria is. and the water management district rules and the county rules make us look at a once in a 25-y year event and a once in aundred year event, not an afternoon thunderstorm. Correct. So, they are
designed for extreme events is the point I'm trying to make. Yeah. Okay. And the rules require that they don't discharge any more water after development than they did before development. And that's enforced both at
the county level and the state level. Okay. And just so you're aware, their their site plan contemplates very little of any impacts to the existing wetlands that are on that property. Um and actually creation of quite a bit of
retention on the property. Okay. Yeah, that's a that's a state and and county requirement that they don't create more water runoff on your property than you already have. Yeah. They're not required to fix your
property, but they're are required not to hurt your property. And that's that's where the engineers come in. And that's why it's important that we have engineers on this board because and by the way, I don't think we even had swift mud in 1950.
I'm sorry. I don't think we even existed with Swiss Mutton in 1950 when you mentioned the fact that Swift Mud came in and did the ditch. They weren't even in existence in 1950. Oh, okay. I was I was I was told that Swift Mud Swift Mud
along with Pasco County dug that drainage ditch. Well, you said it was for mosquito control. That's probably the mosquito control district. You might want to check with them and see if it's one of their ditches. Okay. To if it needs maintenance. I mean, I I can understand if it's been silted in over
the years. In fact, I've been watching the Department of Transportation along US19 for the past couple of months start to fix some of their old outfall ditches from the 50s and 60s after realizing during after the hurricanes, they finally woke up and realized that you
can't just build it and forget it. So, they're out there doing that now. Might be a good time to talk to mosquito control about that. Yeah. Yeah. I've been talking with Pasco County about getting the problem corrected. Um but you know the one thing that I will say though is is every one of these
studies that has happened in accordance with Terabella the assisted living facility every one of them has said that they are going to control the water so that it is a reduced amount of water heading towards my property and with
every development that has come through we've seen an increased amount of water not a reduction in the amount of water but what I'm telling is that the requirement is that they they're not required to fix your problem, but they are required not to make your problem
worse. Yeah. And the the engineers have to sign off on that. So, if they if they didn't know what they were doing, they'd be subject to some kind of penalty. So, um I mean it's it's a serious event. These that's why these developers have
to spend so much money with with the development costs. Most people have no idea how much money it cost to just to even begin development of one of these properties by the time you go through all the engineers and the attorneys and the land use people and the uh I mean
it's a it's a big investment of time and money and that's why that's one of the reasons that we're fortunate to have so many engineers on this board because when people speak to us about issues
like this we can speak to them uh with real knowledge, not just feelings. So, um we're in the we're in a good position to answer any questions that you have in in with regard to engineering and and
we're happy to do so. Um and we're we also um are in a position to ask the developer if they've met those criteria. Yeah. And so um I appreciate you coming. I don't know if anybody else has any more
questions for you, but I know that uh water's water and traffic are always concerns for everybody. Um but you know what the problem is is that people still keep coming here you know and I uh uh
you know I for one uh I my business has been here for over 100 years and I've seen a lot of people come and and I used to love it around here when I could the freedom was
unbelievable but it became a very popular place and people like you and people in in this room want to move here and enjoy what everybody else is enjoying. And I don't blame him. I don't hold it against them for wanting to do that. But it was sure nice when I was a
kid and I didn't have any of this kind of stuff to worry about. Yeah, agreed. So, you know, it's a you have to strike a balance between nature and people. And uh I can't just say, you know, I my
family came here 150 years ago and and uh we don't want any of these other people here. Yeah. We liked it the way it was. We have to strike a balance. We have to be reasonable about our approach and people have property
rights. So again, we're trying to get a balance so that people can continue to live, continue to enjoy that we don't make your if you developed in an area that's that floods, you know, we we're not happy
about it, but probably believe you you did that. How many years ago? When did you build your place? My property was built in 1975. Well, there you go. I mean, you it probably wasn't as bad back then, right? Exactly. you know, but and I think as Mr. Moody, who is an
engineer, has said, a lot of these uh ditches and these these u uh pathways that have were dug for water purposes, drainage purposes have haven't been maintained and they need to be maintained. We've come across this a
number of times. And so these are things that that we need to talk to the county or whoever's whoever's responsible for it. Uh because that's their responsibility. Yeah. So we have to live here as a community. We can't exclude
people. I can't make you get a visa to come to Florida. You know, you know it. So we were all here. there there's always was somebody else here before we were here, right? You know, so we have to find a way to to
live together and try to do the best we can. Nobody wants to make it make life difficult for anybody else. Yeah. So, and that's the basis on which we try to make these decisions. They aren't easy decisions because we know that we all
face those problems in our own neighborhoods. So, uh, but we just try to do the best we can. So, I we appreciate you being here and voicing your concerns and we'll do our best to hear you and address them as
best we can. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. I was just going to say, Mr. Chairman, I was looking at the aerials from the property appraiser and it looks like in 1941 there was a big wetland or substantial wetland in that area on Mr. Hex property as well as to the south and
then long about n early 1970s it looked like part of that got filled in. Mhm. And then and then there were ponds created. I don't know what the purpose was but that ditch was there ditch was there back in 1940. There was there and part of the wetland
got filled in and so that was certainly impacted back then. Right. Okay. Any other questions for Mr. back. Do you want to show any of this? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, yeah. I mean, go go
go ahead and show the images if you like. So, you can see the aerial right there. My son has a drone and he took an aerial of the of the area. Um, and you can see that everything north of Terrell Lane, including the retention ponds,
have failed and flowed northward. That's all the flooding. um where you see hect right there there that's where my property is and so um I have a steel building right there which was inches away from having water uh enter it
you looks like you built on the high ground there so that's all the water level coming off of um and these these are at different points in time so And just more flooding pictures
of the property. And this is a D letter. You can keep scrolling down. It states that there are um you know issues with the flooding and that it can't control anything. You can just scroll through it. No one's going to be able to read that.
and the pro proposed development. So we don't we don't have to go through anymore. This is all this is stuff that's already been presented as well. So So I just wanted to All right, M. Thank you. We appreciate your efforts there and and for sharing your information. Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Who's next? We do have a couple of individuals signed up on WebEx. The first individual we have is a Miss Debbie Goodman. All right, Miss Goodman. Miss Goodman, are you with us? Take a recess. I just lost I just
disconnected WebEx. I They're all all disconnected. WebEx disconnected. Well, instead of taking a recess, since we just took one, can I get an answer to my question about the cost affordable plan and what's in
the 2050 plan? So on the 2050 plan, the interchange is still there. The um interchange of CER CER correct at the it does not show the improvements to 54 at this point, but it does have County Line Road as being four
lanes as a parallel road to 54 in that area. So in your opinion, would the over would an overpass at Collier and the widening of County Line Road address the congestion on 54? That that would certainly help
this the situation there. Yes. Um and if I Yeah. And the reason I'm concerned is because I'm looking at the code. Okay. Okay. And it says, "Where there's a failure, the analysis will continue with the inclusion of any cost affordable improvements from the no's adopted
LRTP. I don't see where your analysis actually analyzed that there's a failure 54, right? All you did was make this generalized conclusion that there was improvements in the LRTP that would address the
failure. And part of that is because in in the LRTP that was in effect at the time we did the analysis, which was a 2045, there weren't specific improvements identified. What those were was the
corridor study would be continued to evaluate what that ultimate geometry would be. But that was part of it was whether it's elevated roads, whether it's frontage roads, whether it's parallel facilities. But that was that was what why we said that was that was
the purpose in that a designation on the cost affordable plan was for those improvements along 54 to help with the with the capacity of the roadway. Okay. But we've had an adopted 2050 LRTP for
how how long now? Um 6 months. Six months. that wasn't enough time to update the study to reflect the effect of what's still in the alert EP which is I we we we have not typically every time a CIP or a you
know you know long range plan gets a change that we update all the analysis we've done we we can certainly do that but that is not historically that's going what the code says the code says you're supposed to use the adopted LRTP and we use it at the time that we submitted the analysis we use the
adopted LRTP Can you again what was the improvement that's now in the new LRTP? So the what's in the new I think the what I'm hearing unless staff tells me I'm wrong. What I'm hearing is that the big
difference between the 2045 LRTP and the current LRTP is not the improvements. Apparently they both have CER Parkway a new interchange of Collier and the Widen County Land Road are bar apparent both in the cost affordable plan. Correct. both both versions. That's my minor say.
Yes, that's what we looked at just a minute. You looked at cost affordable. I just want to make sure. Okay. Um cuz that's also in the code says it's got to be cost affordable, not needs, right? Um the big difference is that the 2045 plan also had a general statement that other
improvements which were to be identified as part of some study might also occur on 54. That statement was removed in 2050. So, all that's left is is is the Collier
Parkway interchange, future interchange and the winding count road. Those may in fact address congestion on 54. I don't know and that's why I asked him the question. But normally the analysis would the way I read the code, the analysis should have said and if those things are in
place, it will have some improvement on 54. At least that's how I read the code. Now his statement is he didn't do that because the LRTP at the time he did his study didn't have specific improvements identified. But now the only
improvements that are identified are those two improvements as far as I can tell. Right. Correct. Which is the an interchange of CER and the widening of County Line Road. And does your analysis the the current version of the analysis include the interchange and the
widening that was in the 2045? No, I saw his analysis. He just has a general conclusion that those that the improvements in the LRTP will address the failure. Correct. Because that was the purpose in the because we we have
less than 1% impact on the road on 54. So the the the comment or the in the analysis is that the improvements that are in the LRTP at the time cost affordable would address those capacity deficiencies because that was the
purpose in having that designated in in the plan. But what those specific improvements we couldn't run it because those haven't been identified. They they are to be identified. So that's why it wasn't specific in there. But the LRTP
has changed. Sure. It no longer has a statement about some to be identified improvements. So what what is left is an interchange of collier and the winding count road. All I want to know is do we think that that's likely to address the
failure on 54 because it's not in the analysis. If Mr. Henry saying he thinks it will help, I'd be nice if our staff could tell me if they think the same thing. I um I would argue the code requires that to be analyzed whether those improvements will help 54 if
there's a failure. Um so be nice to know I mean the purpose of these timing and phasing analysis at least when we originally adopted the code was it was it's a party planning tool. Sure. We're trying to make sure that if we approve development
that we have a plan to address the deficiencies. And so it may be that that that those two improvements that are in the LRTP are our plan to address the deficiencies. I just I don't have anything that says that. No. And I and at the time we did the analysis those
improve we did address it in the code because th that improvement at the time we did the analysis we used the adopted L plan and that would have addressed the deficiencies. Right. But it was a but but it was but
it was but it was an unknown solution at the time. I totally understand. Totally understand. So apparently we've abandoned that idea of an unknown solution at least in 2050 plan. So now that we have the only known solutions being an interchange of
collier and the winding of Kland road I would just be nice if somebody actually said that that's our plan to address the deficiency that was identified in this study when It's it's a 2050 plan. So 2050 presumably 25 years from now.
But that's the response I expected. That that's an accurate statement. But at least we know we can afford it 25 years from now. I This is why I've had promises. Well, I bet this is why I've had some concerns with staff relying on the needs plan because the needs plan
shows what we need. But it's improvements we can't even afford even in 25 years. So I Steve I'm just going to tell you I'm not worried about a traffic jam solution 25 years from now. I'm worried about 400 accidents today. That's what I want to know. And let me
address that. So we we looked at the intersection. There have been in 5 years 61 accidents at that intersection. 28 of them are rear end which you would expect at a signalized intersection. So the the it's only been 61 in 5 years. So, it is not 400 or 500
at that intersection. And I'm certainly glad if you want to bring staff up there and confirm that, but we we pulled it up on the your the analysis that shows the and tracks the intersections and the accidents at those intersections. You you're talking about Livingston at 54
and Livingston. Correct. On Livingston or on at the at the intersection of 54 and Livingston, there have been 61 accidents in five years. Okay. That's a big difference than 400. Correct.
And I think she was talking about a segment, at least when I heard it, it was a segment of of 54, not the intersection. But we pulled up the specific intersection to look at the last 5 years of accident data. All
right. Um, and then I do want to address your your one other question on the the northbound left just to explain to you. So again, the the the program is an iterative program and so it will we keep
the same signal timing background plus project, but it will still reallocate what's called effective green time. It will in the program actually reassign that. We we don't have any control over that. And in this instance, the
northbound left went from 19.3 seconds of effective green time to 19.6. So background was 19.3 the background plus projects 19.6. That's what creates the slightly
uh decrease in the delay in the in the in the future volumes. And part of it is it reassigns it based on demand. So we had more traffic in the through movement. So it will reassign some of that effective green time. So that's why you'll get a slightly different
answer. Okay. [Music] anything? No, I mean I would like staff, somebody from staff to get up and tell me whether they agree that these improvements in
the LRTP are likely to address the failure in the traffic study. I don't know who whoever's whoever reviewed the study or whoever's willing to stand up for it. Well, it hasn't been evaluated in his
traffic study whether four-laneing countyline road is going to alleviate or not the issues on 54. But it is a reasonable, you know, uh estimate that the the congestion and delays along 54
would experience a reduction. When you have a parallel facility that is operating at an acceptable level of service, people would transfer over to a road that they, you know, do not experience congestion. That's how
traffic generally works. So, in my opinion, yes, it would help, but it has to be evaluated if you need a exact answer whether it drops from a level of service e. Well, I guess I'll ask you as I mean I'm looking at the code. But it says where there's a failure, the
analysis will continue with the inclusion of any costaffordable improvements from the no's adopted LRTP. I don't see that analysis anywhere in this. So how did we approve the analysis if it doesn't have that in
it? I can't answer that. I and to answer your other question that you know if the code changed or the LRTP changed, we have like probably 60 plus MPD projects that have come in in 2024 that had their traffic studies done
and approved. Are you saying that we need to go back and redo all of those MPD traffic studies because the LRT Okay, but the the improvements that Okay. If you put aside the 2B determined improvements, which we don't know what they were, and you only go by what the
Collier Parkway overpass and the widening and county line road, those those were in the 2045 LRTP. There's not even an analysis as whether this road will still fail with
those improvements which are specifically identified in the 2045 LRTP. Forget about 2050. Okay. So you're saying that since there is failure along 54 along 52 any of these developments that we have reviewed and approved and the planning commission has approved and
the board has approved that we should be including wherever there's there's a failure if there is what the code says the code says if there's a failure the analysis will continue with the inclusion of any cost affordable improvements from the no's adopted LRTP
we have not been doing that that seems to be a problem if you're not following the code. So, how have we addressed failures in traffic plans we've seen or studies? Say that again. So, how how have we addressed failures we've seen in traffic studies that have been submitted? I want
to be clear. A lot of MPDs don't have failures. Okay. So, so let let's be clear. I I think he may be overblowing when he's saying, "Well, we've approved all these traffic studies." I would say that probably 80% of the traffic saves we get don't identify a failure. Okay. So that you may be overstating things
saying we approved all these traffic. So 54. Okay. But all I'm saying is if there is a failure identified which there clearly was here. The code says we're supposed to look at first you look at what's in the CIP. Mhm. Then it says if there's still
a failure you look at what's in the cost affordable LRTP. Are we just not doing that? We did not do that. I think it's a problem. I mean, you're not following the code. I mean, that that was the whole purpose of these analysis was to see, okay, if we have a
failure, do we have something planned to address the failure either in the CIP or in the cost affordable LRTP? What I'm hearing is that we might they might call your might. County Line Road might, but I you
know I mean if you're not going to do that, I don't know why we still have it in the code, but I guess it is what it is. But we can move on to whatever next question or we mean we got these people on. We do. Okay, we'll come back to
that. Thank you. Uh the next individual was Miss Debbie Goodman. Yes, I hear me. Yes. Yes. Miss Goodman, have you been sworn? Yes, I've been sworn. My name is Debbie
Goodman at 240 mile level. So, I want a little bit and give you some information. I very first speaker that up there she talked about the accidents. Accidents were 415
between the year of 20 to 2022. There have been he's at the of Livingston and 54 this morning killed at the of 54 and call
your Parkway due to the traffic. Just wanted to I just wanted to go back to that but you know I know the other guy said it was he did a fiveyear but I just wanted to show you what my our dates were. Um we would like to for express our concerns regarding the ongoing overdevelopment of Pasco County
specifically in land and lakes. The charm of land and agriculture rural character life wildlife and community based activities like 4 and FFA. However, every day for new development and the det of the very
quality that make this area special farmland as myself I own a horse farmation. I have implored you to take a and assess the lasting damage being done and excuse me, Miss Goodman. Miss
Goodman, can you hear me? Uh, you're breaking up ter you're breaking up terribly. I can only hear every about every third or fourth word. So, uh uh oh, we need to either improvement the communication or or move on. So,
okay. Well, how about this? Let's go ahead dip on. I think my fellow people in the audience have concerns. I'm just asking you and I think Okay, Miss Goodman, uh, thank you for
making the attempt. Um, do we have anybody else online that we can't actually hear? We do. The next individual we have signed up is a Rebecca Yingling. Can you hear me? Yes. Yeah, we do. Uh, Miss Yingong, have
you been sworn? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Uh, your address, please. Um, my address is protected, but I live in the um, Terbella subdivision.
Okay. Is that sufficient, Ev? That's sufficient. Yes. Okay. Thank you. I I'm here to uh comment. I we moved over here from the west side of the county in 2013. Um and I want to um oppose the
reszoning of this proposed development. I know many people from um 20 Mile have commented about the traffic and I do want to add into that. I think I know because I drive this every day. I have two teenagers. Um, one is driving, one
will soon be driving. Um, I I think a big thing is missing in this traffic study, and I do believe the developer is maybe I I don't understand their traffic study because I this every day from 400 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. State Road 54 in
between and call your parkway the parking lot. Um, for me to go a few miles up the road, it could take me 20 minutes. Now, when you at the light at Livingston, it is the only way people will be able to go eastbound
onto State Road 54. It is unless they're going to pull out on 54 at the main entrance of Tabella, which nobody's going to do that because you have to jump over three lanes of traffic, which is impossible. Um, adding more traffic. you're you're
probably looking at 400 cars on a two-lane road with one turn signal. And I'll just give you an example. Yesterday, I was taking my son to something. Um there the light was backed up. The left-hand turn signal to go eastbound at 54 from Livingston was
backed up and there was probably eight or nine cars. It's one lane to turn left and we missed the light, but we were set back in cars. So the light turned green again and people sleep. People don't pay attention. Um people were honking their
horns. The person then decided to wait it out, wait till the right light turned yellow and then ride for the rest of us. So this this happens a few times a week. So I sat through a light three times and it took me 15 minutes to turn left onto State Road 54. This is an addition. This
was during the 4 to 6 4 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. Um, it it shouldn't take me 40 minutes to go 2 miles up the road. My son said maybe I should just start riding my bike. Um, the the developer, my understanding from
listening during this conversation was they're saying it's already bad, so we're just going to add more to it. Um, I don't think that's a viable solution. Um, when we first moved down here in 2013, traffic wasn't bad at all. That was before the apartments. And we need
to understand, I think the other gentleman accurately brought up um about the traffic during the morning time. We have the Florida Medical Clinic, which we have that people are coming in and out of. We have people from the apartments leaving. We have
Austin Terabella leaving. You have the the retirement center. And then you have you're gonna have people from that de new development all leaving and coming in. It's I I don't it's going to devalue properties. It's going to be more
accidents. I am petrified um with my kids driving because people don't pay. We have no traffic control out here. Like there's none. Literally, it's the wild wild west. Everybody drives how they want. I was in an accident at
Livingston and 54. Um, and this was back in December. And for the FHP wait time was 3 and 1/2 hours. 3 and 1/2 hours. Um, just for a response. My taxes keep going up, but
yet my services go down. Um, I also have um a friend who had to call 911 for an emergency due to the traffic backups. They um the the delay time was extended. Um I would one more thing. We did the
diverting diamond at 54 and 75. We have daily accidents on 54 and 75. That diverts all that traffic over to 54 towards us. So we have more traffic. Every afternoon there's an accident. I I I guarantee you follow the
little Facebook pages. Um so this this gives us more traffic. And I mean, I'm I'm just I I would really like if we could just keep the zone the way it is. I understand it was supposed to be a football field for uh the Academy of the Lakes, which I don't think would have
impacted the neighboring communities much, but to add this on for somebody, I'm in and out several times a day. and the rest of the neighbors in my community, the the neighbors on 20 mile. This is I would want to live over here. If it's going to take you 30 minutes to
go 2 miles up the road, um I would just appreciate if we could um 24/7 of 2050. Um it's not going to help anybody. Um we need relief now and maybe after we get the infrastructure set up um they can
look at doing something and putting something like that back there. But Livingston um one turn lane, one turn lane for how many properties to turn eastbound on 54. It's not working now and it's not going to work. Um it's just
delaying everybody's day and accidents and thank you for your time. Thank you very much. Any questions? Okay. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. All right. Anybody else on WebEx?
The last individual that we have signed up to speak on WebEx is a Mr. Mike. There was no last name provided. Mr. Mike. Okay. [Music] Hello. Can you hear me? I can hear you.
I need to have your full name and address, please. Sure. It's Michael Cook, 3804 Hillview Court. Can you spell the last name for the clerk?
Cook. Thank you. All right. Sure. So, I'm here to oppose the 20 mile level development. I've added myself to this fight because our town is overwhelmed. Development has clogged our roads and strained services.
Um, as many of us spoke already, we've sat through four or five different cycles of traffic lights, waiting 15 up to 30 minutes going and coming to work morning and afternoon. More development will just make it worse. You guys will bunch of you guys are engineers up there, you know,
filling wetlands. This project is maybe a little reckless. Wetlands, too, how they filter water, prevent floods, support wildlife. Destroying increases flood risks, harms biodiversity and releases stored carbon, worsening climate change. The Tampa
premium outlets development filled wetlands. And while specific impacts are unclear, the region's history shows wetland loss lead to flooding and environmental harm. We can we can't repeat these mistakes. Can premium outlets built in
2015 brought retail but ignored long-term cost. Wetland destruction there and elsewhere has reduced natural flood protection leaving neighborhoods vulnerable. I live in Lake Padet estate and we actually flooded uh during the storms last year and lost a couple of
homes because of the wetlands because of the wetland destruction I should say. We just lost WebEx again. [Music] You want to do So, while we're waiting, can I ask the county engineer a question? Sure, absolutely, David. Nick,
sorry to put you on the spot, but I have a question. So, part of the reason that proactive Oh, sorry. I guess and it's it's god awful in that traffic. I guess he never stopped talking every single day
going and coming. Hello. Yes, sir. Keep going. I I couldn't hear somebody talking openly while I'm speaking. Is there something? We lost you for a minute. That's why. Oh, okay. I'm not sure where I where I ended or where I began. I know my 3
minutes is nearly up, but uh you know, I I've lived in Lando Wakes for nearly 20 years. I love where I live, but it just feels like I'm being squeezed out. All the documentation isn't submitted. There's some there there's some voids in the documentation and paperwork that was submitted today. you you receiving the
traffic study during the meeting is sort of unacceptable. That needs to be studied and analyzed properly rather than let's make a decision and move forward. So at the very least postponement would be necessary. I'm completely opposed to the entire idea
because it's affecting the quality of our life. We want people to keep coming here. Well, let's build it properly and build it as was mentioned earlier balanced. It's I think I think we're out of balance right now being that there's already a traffic
issue that's present and we're talking about fixing the traffic issue 10, 15, 20 years from now. Let's fix it now and then talk about developing the land that's so important to us. You guys do a great job. I'm not here to badger anybody. I'm not here to dis, you know, dismantle what you guys do. I appreciate
what you're doing. It's tough to be in public service, but thank you for your time. Thank you for the few minutes that I have here. and uh you know my my family and many families around will appreciate at least the delay of this project and thank you so much. Have a great day. All right. Thank you for your
call in. Thank you for your patience. Can I ask Nick my question before you do rebuttal? Yes. We have a suggestion. Okay. Obviously there's concerns about our paperwork. I don't bring anything to you and ask you to vote on something when there's concerns about my
paperwork. So, we can do this a couple different ways. We're going to ultimately ask for a continuence. Um, so we can work on this paperwork, but we do have drainage concerns, things other than traffic that we could discuss and rebut and talk about. Um, or we can just continue it and, you know, continue this
discussion for another day. But we don't want to ask you to have to vote when you have concerns about the paperwork. So, wanted to jump in there and let you know ultimately we're going to request a continuance, but how we want to go from here. Um, yeah, I have no objective to
continue. I I the question I have for Nick is more general about the CER Parkway overpass and what needs to happen to get that to a stage where it's at least close to where the
5441 interchange is, but I realize it's beyond your client's control, but I maybe something he can ask Dot about between now and the next meeting. That's why I was asking. think that would I think we could have those discussions and have some better information for you. Um we can Well, let me just ask you
this. Would you rather do that now? I know you you and your team have gone through a lot to get to this point. So, would you rather go through that partial portion of it now or do it all later? Yeah, the question is do you want to talk something about, you know, there's
obviously questions about island property partners. There's just, you know, there's different things in here. We had Hunter Ridge. What's the setback? So maybe if we can answer some of those questions to get those off that you know we've answered those questions um at least we've answered those so you don't
have to hear it again and then we have and then we answer them. So I think it makes sense to answer some of these questions. Um ultimately we're going to continue it because we want to continue the conversation about traffic. Okay. But I think maybe it makes sense to try to makes sense some of these questions answered that I've been we've been
taking notes on. So if I may you may start try to do that process. And I was going to say I can address the school question as well. Why not? Okay. Very good. Why don't we have Mr. Williams do that first because he is the planning commission. Mr. Williams, he's on the he's with the school board, right? I if
he wants to do the school part and then I'll Sure. So the question was raised about school impacts. So um Lake Myrtle Elementary currently at 73% of capacity. So no qu issues there with capacity.
uh the impact analysis that was provided did not take into account the opening of the new Skybrook K8 which will open this coming year. And so Skybrook is going to provide significant relief to Charles Rushi Middle School. And so we're
projecting Roocci Metal to be at 87% next year and then actually probably even lower uh the next couple years because Skybro K won't open with an eighth grade and it'll take a few years for that to fill
out. Um Sunlike High is currently at 107% and projected to be at 105% next year. Uh the new Angeline school that we opened a couple years ago has had impact on Rishi metal as well as Sunlike High.
We expect it to continue to have some impact on that school. Um certainly growth is going on in Sunlakes's boundary uh but it has tempered off uh the last couple years. Most of the growth is really more toward the east.
Um, however, there is significant future growth u mostly associated with the future of Beexley Ranch North, which really isn't doing a lot yet, but we do have a high school site reserved in Beexley Ranch North that we can build
when the time comes. So, um, we're expecting this project to only have about nine students on the high school side. So, we're not overly concerned with the impact of the high school. Thank you. You're welcome.
So, Island Property Partners, I have no idea what happened with the paperwork. Um, the owner of the property is Academy of the Lakes. Um, and my client, who wouldn't be the applicant, my client is Stanley Martin Homes. The 20-mile level road. I did notice in
the agenda and maybe this can get fixed too that in the findings it was talking about exhibit one and exhibit two option A option B there was a time when this paperwork said initially when it came to you and then we continued it so we can
meet have a neighborhood meeting the paperwork said there was two options regarding 20-mile level road and actually the condition required us to request a closure of 20 mile road we heard the residents talk to the county and said They want 20-mile level road to
remain 20-mile level road. We are not. We are proposing to extend Livingston Road extension in order to provide access to this project. We don't intend on using 20-mile level road. We're we're doing a new road extension of an existing road at Vision Road to access our project.
So, that paperwork, surprised David didn't call it out yet, but the paperwork is a little messy um on staff's part on the memo and I can see where a resident could be confused about is there still an option A and option B. There's not. There is a 20 mile level road will remain. Um Barbara, I also
wonder whether part of the confusion is my computer shut down, but there may still be a statement in there that you're going to close 20 mile level road within your own property. And so that may be also leading to the confusion because you clearly
are I I think you are going to be closing a portion of 20 mile level road but it's only within your project. We're realigning 20 mile level road because right road and 20 mile access the existing 20 mile level road is not at
some point it won't exist within your property. Correct. It's going to be realigned as to the new road. So I'm just wondering if that's causing part of the confusion as well. I don't I don't know. But yes, you're right. And we probably could get a better explanation of that
in the memo as well. You know, try to clean up some of this so it's clearer because I don't think, you know, you have to piece together what conditions mean and exhibits mean as opposed to writing what it means. So, but you're right, there will be a realignment of 20 mile level road um by this project. And
there'll be a segment where 20-mile level road will be routed to Livingston Road Extension and then it goes back to their dirt road as it goes up to to their homes. But you're saying the 20 mile will still be accessible from State Road 54. That's
correct. Correct. Correct. That's correct. Yes. And we did do at our neighborhood meeting, we did show the residents were like this is how in and showed them how it would be. Stop sign here, stop sign there. And so, um, we can do a better job of with staff getting that into a narrative, whether
it's my narrative attached to it or staff's narrative in their agenda memo, but we can do a little better job of explaining that so there's not confusion there. On Hunt, um, Huntington Ridge, what is the setback? Our units are set back from
their property line um, 30 feet. So, it's 30t off the property line. to answer that question. Jeremy Couch with Tampa Civil is here and knows a lot about drainage. Um and can talk to you all about drainage. I think that's some of the
questions that we needed to answer. Um, obviously there's traffic, but did you want to hear from Jeremy about some of the drainage? Yeah, we agree. Okay, great. Thank you. Commissioners, chairman Jeremy Couch with Tampa Civil 17937 Huntingbo Circle
Loots 33558. Um so been working on this project now for about a year and a half and um immediately we identified that there may be some
uh drainage constraints to the north and that our design needed to be very sensitive to those issues. Um the first major hurricane we had uh or major storm that came through a year
and a half ago, we went and documented through Milton. We documented through Helen. We documented um we threw we flew about a 300 acre area with LAR on our own. We went out
and did survey work on our own um to figure out what the issues were, what the challenges were in the area, and what um relief could happen. Um at this time right now, um I
have a approved ERP from the water management district for uh a masqueraded version of this community. I also have a permit from Pasco County um for
masquerading that considers our development, our ponds uh for this community. Um during during that review, you have a you have a permit. I'm permitted right now. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Development approval memo signed. just
have to put up it's not reszoned for Yes, sir. Well, it it's we're to be clear, this is the masquerading for an improved area. It's not approved to build houses or run utilities,
but for the early review, I understand. Okay. All right. Um, so during that review, we got a a great call from um county engineers office and um some
of the county storm water engineers and said, "Hey, just want you to know that we have been trying to work with some neighbors to solve an issue for eight years." And I said, "Okay, how can we
help?" Um, and so we went out and we did a lot of extensive surveying work on on my nickel because I live in Land of Lakes and I do care about our community. And we had four meetings to
discuss what we could do for our project. I gave information to the county that shows that our project in the 25-year storm event reduces our discharge rates
by 19 CFS which equates to 30%. So in the 25-y year event I'm reducing over retaining by 30%. Um in the 100-year event I'm over retaining by 10.8%.
I know that doesn't help somebody who had their home within inches during an act of God storm event, but certainly um this community uh would do its small part to the bigger
problem. In addition to that, we had a neighborhood meeting and there were a lot of people that showed up and a lot of people were very concerned about the bigger growth problems we're having. the traffic on 54. But at the end of
that meeting, we were able to spend some very meaningful time with some of the people that were directly affected um by the storms on 20 mile level. Um I think you guys saw on the aerials, you
know, the big issue is is that historically there was a creek, a natural creek that ran there and goes to Cypress Creek. There was a cypress swamp in the 1970s when you we didn't have these growth management rules and
ERP permits and people just made land and they didn't engineer land. They just made land. They filled in swamps and they made land. And a few of these homeowners live on that old swamp. And it's and so there are solutions. And my
client um has expressed um an interest in going above and beyond and helping solve the problem that the county can't solve um and is is
willing to do that. So, I think our community from a drainage perspective, I know it's it's hard to explain that to people that are not professional engineers and professional drainage engineers, but I do want the board to know that this community and our design
was very sensitive to their needs and did what we could um for our process to have an incremental benefit to to their issue and I can answer any specific questions you want about what
we did, how we did it, what the problems are. Well, there were some u issues about a pipe that uh there Yes. Yes. Yes. Chairman, there there um I believe you offered to fix that on your own. Yes,
sir. Um so, um so so the real challenge is is where this old swamp was where a lot of these folks and you saw in the imagery are flooded. Um they're uh the downstream the upstream inverts are 18
in lower than a covert along the way. So you have a very large wetland system that's impounded, you know, 20 plus acres impounded by 18 in of water. um um lowering that covert and also
increasing the capacity of those coverts by maybe doubling it up um would bring about significant improvements and I spoke with a few of the residents
afterwards and you know because this has been a long problem and it's uh I might not categorize it, but a slight Hatfields versus McCoy's situation. Um not sure who's right or wrong, but certainly
um they're not, you know, eating dinner together every night. Um, it seemed that everybody on both sides would be interested in us helping them and help their neighbors because they do realize that the people of the south are at risk
and um that, you know, there's some improvements that could help them and my client's willing to step up to the plate and help facilitate that. Um, as long as we have willing participants, we can do it. So certainly our our project has
been shown by permit from two agencies to clearly meet and exceed our requirements, but even further, we're willing to help more. And those improvements are north of your your property, your project. Uh the the
the constraints are north. Okay. Um the water really wants to get to Cypress Creek. Yeah, absolutely. And it you saw in the one video where it's there's kind of an overland weir in a small area. It's it's impounded. So, um so you're talking about improvements in in that
area. I if if if these neighbors, you know, should we go forward and uh get approval to build our community and these neighbors would allow us onto their property to help um do this work. Certainly um my client is interested in
helping them. We understand that the pro the problem is on private property. It's on private property. So the county can't do anything about it. The county cannot is you're willing to step in and fix the problem. Yes, sir. What's downstream of the co that needs
to be lowered 18 in? Uh Cypress Creek. Okay. So we hit Cypress Creek and it's a free day freeway with almost endless capacity, but it's just letting it get there. Yep. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
All right. With that, unless you had any other questions for my team, you'd like to ask for a continuence to the June something meeting. 19th. 19th. Somebody looked it up. Thank you. June 19th. I actually do have one
more question and that was for Mrs. was it Lang and I still have my question for the county engineer but I I I mean but we we know your request to continue. Thank you. Yes ma'am. Yes sir. Can you clarify your statement
about the number of accidents and what was the source that you got that? Absolutely. I'd love to. DOT showed me how to use their SOJA system and you can diagram different areas. So I diagrammed from the east side of CER Parkway over to Via Bella Drive just the highway and
it included the intersection. So it was one mile my husband drove it twice one mile and then I made a smaller diagram just on the Livingston intersection and that's where the 100 accidents came up. Now the study we only have access publicly through it says
2020. It does have a wee bit of information for 22 and 23 and I do not have access to current information from that day. So that is all a little bit older, but it is pretty darn accurate because I counted each one.
Thank you. You're welcome. David, do you have one more question? Yeah, for Nick if you don't mind. Sorry, Nick to put you on the spot. He's not really. Um, so part of the issue we have at 54 and
41 is that DUT keeps telling us that we can't we can't do rightway acquisition. We can't do construction until we have an approved PD, which is right. I mean, that sounds right to me. You need a designed roadway before you can acquire right away and
construct it. They've also told us that we can't even really program it. Even though it's part of the SIS system, we can't really program it until we have right away. Well, they think they may have right away programmed. But realistically, we can't get it built
until it's designed, which makes sense. My question is two questions. One is just confirming Collier and 54 is also part of the SIS system. Is that accurate? Yes. Okay. So, that intersection is not completely in county control. It's also
partially in DO's control. Primarily in control. Primarily DO's control. So what is it possible to ask DOT? I don't know whether that's through the NO process or outside the NO process to start the
PD&E for call year sooner rather than later so that we're not I mean the PD for 54 and41's been going on for like feels like 10 years. I mean, it's it's now reaching a conclusion, but I mean, but it and now we finally started 41's
going over 54 apparently, not not 54 over 41. But I don't want to see us repeat the mistakes we had on 54 and 41 where we're in a extended PD process and we haven't started. I mean, can we start doing a PD
now for Collier or ask D to start a PD now for Collier so that we're not waiting 10 years to, you know, assuming we Sure. to get it moving. And Mr. Chair, just to introduce myself, Nick Urand, county
engineer. Um, absolutely. I'm reminded of the Chinese proverb, the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, but the second best time is right now. and and so the the mechanism you would use the mechanism that Pasco County should use to encourage DOT to accelerate the uh
planning devel project development environmental study for the interchange is to add it to the MP's priority list and that's that's effectively communicating that this the elected officials representing Pasco County would like to see that
interchange accelerated. Let's figure out what we intend to do so that we can do advanced acquisition, take out some of the roadblocks that have plagued us at 41 and 54 and get a project underway more quickly. So, I believe that I don't know if we just approved
they just approved a list of project priorities or if it's still Yeah, they that was just this past month. That's a once a year, but it can be amended, but it's it's a once a year communication device established by Florida statute that says these this group of elected officials is asking the folks
administratively at DOT to allocate funds to these various projects on the list. So, if the county would like MOO to consider adding adding to the list either now or next year, whatever that is,
what is there a mechanism to do that? Well, you have five on the board, five of the county commissioners sit on the MO governing board. They could each one individually reach out to the MO director and ask for that agenda item to be put on a a future meeting.
Okay. Okay. So, just we just need a board member to bring it up at NPO basically. Sure. Or or in a phone call. I don't know what their protocols are for agenda requests requesting agenda items like that, but they need to reach out to the director and say either in
the context of a meeting together or separately, can you please calendar this so that we can have a discussion about it? I mean, given what you know, what you've heard today and what you know about the Collier Parkway 54 intersection, do you think it's an appropriate request to be making?
Well, sure. I I think State Road 54 what what the 2045 MO long range plan identified was the need to make some sort of operational investment in state road 54 because it's a very busy corridor. And I think what we have now in the 2050 plan is a an intent to build
an overpass at Kawier Parkway and an intent for the county to take on the widening of County Line Road to the south as a parallel capacity investment to maybe alleviate some of the congestion that exists on 54. So that was going to be my next question
is for the widening of County Line Road. I assume that also needs a PDE. Is is there a process? What would be the process to accelerate that? So that that one just happens through the county's adoption of a capital
improvement program, which again occurs on an annual basis. Elected officials can direct uh county staff at any convened meeting to say, "Hey, let's see if we can't get this moving forward more quickly." Okay, that that that project is not in
our 5-year capital program currently, but it certainly could be requested and then it's just a question of funding and prioritization against other projects in that part of the county. Okay, you answer my question. Thank you. Yep. Good.
All right. So, um I think we've had a request from the applicant for continuance until June 19th. Um, now I hear a motion. I'll make the motion to continue to June 19th meeting in Newport Richie. Second.
We have a second and a third. All in favor signify by saying I opposed like sign. All right. June 19th is the date. The next item that we have on the agenda
is item P7 presented by staff. Good afternoon, Robert Irving, Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. First thing I want to knock out of the way is there was expartes that were submitted to the clerk for both items PC7 and PC8. Yes, I'll be recusing myself. It gives a
chance to knowledge on that both of these. Yes. Abundance of caution. You might want to handle the gavl over Mr. Gerardy. Give me that hand. Assuming it's assuming it's not bloody. See what he
did to it. All right. So, this is Cass 2416, Arc Colola Town Homes. It's PTE 250013 and it's comprehensive plan amendment. And the proposal is from RES 1 residential one dwelling unit per
gross acre to RES 9 dwelling units per gross acre. And the intent the intent of this amendment is to allow for a maximum development of 186 platted town homes. And the project is located on the north side of Krella Drive bounded by Anhurst Lane on the
east side approximately 231 ft west of the Sun Coast Parkway. And there is an accompanying MPU reszoning that you'll hear after this item. Here's the project's location. It's located in the North Market area just north of the urban service area.
Here's the aerial. Here's the transportation network. And it's kind of hard to see in this, but in purple outlined on the east west side of the Sun Coast is the Sun Coast Trail and Krella Drive. The existing future land use is res one, which would allow a maximum of
20 28 homes. The proposed future land use is res 9 and that would allow a total of 254 homes, but the MPD conditions of approval cap that at 186 and that's a
density of 6.6 dwelling units per acre. And the proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies. Policy flu 1.1.2 concentration of urban densities policy HSG 1.1.2 two comprehensive plan amendments. Policy flu 1.4.3
transitional land uses policy flu 8.1.5 north market area and policy flu 1.10.1 compatibility and this comes to you with a recommendation to find the proposed amendment consistent with the
comprehensive plan. Is there any questions for Robert? No. Oh yes. I do have to mention one thing. There is a couple typos on this memo. The density calculation was at 30 acres and the the memo speaks to 30 acres. It's actually 28.21 for the
survey. So that'll be corrected before the BCC. Nario Pto playing development economic growth just to note the request is for density over six which means that the comprehensive plan has to jump up to res 9 to capture
that density. So the 6.2 or the 6.6 is just to the res 9 at this point. Okay. But the density is accurate in the MPU. Thank you. Okay. Is the applicant present?
Barbara Will 8627 Grand Boulevard. Still for the applicant um NVR Ryan Holmes. So when I do these presentations, I just kind of do one. So I know there's the comp plan and the MPD, but I just do
one. So here's my presentation. This is the context of where this property is is located. You can see to the west is Cruz Lake Middle and to the to the south is Mary Gella. Looking at their capacity, not that I can do anything as well as Mr. Williams
can do, but Mary Gella from the capacity analysis was 81% capacity. Cruz Lake 47% capacity. So to me, um, you don't see those numbers and that's where the some of these projects become pretty important, um, to get kids
in those schools so they don't end up closing. I mean, I think Elers Elementary is it's a shame that that that that school closed. So, just my little opinion there. Um, this is a a context map that shows a lot of what's
going on in this area um with this the two schools that I mentioned. There's a res 9 land use that the the county did in I think 2022. You can see the PSP that is the resource recovery plant, the county's facility there. Gary Plastics to the south of of has come in. There's
about 300 acres of IA of IIL. To the south of Gary Plastics, you've got EC. So, and then to the PD that you can see on the on the east side of Shady Hills Road. Um, and the west that is Greenfield, that's the PY project. Um,
Dell Webb on the east side is 55 and over. West side is going to be mixed use. um have some commercial, office, industrial and those types of uses. This is our plan for our project. Again, these are minimum 24 foot um town
homes with u no more than six units per building. So, they're they're higherend town homes. We have a particular buffer that we looked at for the eastern eastern boundary along our eastern boundary over
here. I'm going to get this for you here. We have doubled. We have had an enhanced buffer for that. Thinking about, you know, these these uh residences over here. This is Anhurst Lane right here. You can see Anhurst Lane. It's a dirt road. it is um on this
property, the client's property that they're purchasing. We're going to dedicate right of way so that Annhurst Lane can now, you know, exist not on private property. Our density, as you as they've said, is 6.59. We're complying with PM26. We have design dedicated visitor
parking that exceeds the code. Again, that's 20.25 spaces per unit outside of the driveways and and the garages. We actually exceeding the parks and open space requirement for this plan. 2.25 acres um that we're providing and we're
only required to do one point. It's a eye test here, 86. One of the things that's is interesting what we did and we've done it with each project that's come along Shady Hills in this area was we looked at bike ped connectivity and I'll flip forward a
couple things here. This was the plan when PY came in. This is actually from the PowerPoint PowerPoint. And what PY did was really focused on this portion of Shady Hills Road all the way up to here. They filled in these gaps so that
on both sides of the road um 8 foot paths on both sides of the road filled in off-site gaps all the way up to the school. This project here did more here and so you start to see and then the county is going this way up up Shady Hills Road.
Um, so this project, again, in keeping with what's going on and what can this project do for the community, this project is going to do an 8-foot path on the south side of Krella. Krella is a lighted um signalized intersection, by the way, at Krella and and Shady Hills
Road. It's going to do an 8-ft path on the south side of Krella from Shady Hills to the Sun Coast Trail. So, right now you just have to go in the road, you know, to get there, walk or or or walk on the side of the road. But we'll have an eight 8 foot multi-use path on the
north side where where our subdivision is, we're going to do a 5ft sidewalk along our frontage and and this a lot of this is what how we picked this is based upon a survey of the rightway. You know, what can we fit? So, five feet along our frontage. The school board asked us to continue that sidewalk offsite to um
Cruz Lake and to to be able to get our children to Cruz Lake safely. We also are doing a crossing. We're crossing over a lighted crossing, I guess, a signalized crossing with the the the flashing lights to get our children down
to Mary Gella. So, we coordinated with the school board to get the improvements and agree to the improvements needed to get our kids to school. But then we also looked at well what else can we do to to add to the bike ped experience in this area. I can tell you that the county has
a project to add a sidewalk up Shady Hills all the way to Bosley. Um and I was reading staff's report again and they were mentioning that there's a traffic uh there's a bus stop up at Peace and I guess that sidewalk will go up to that sidewalk up to that bus stop which I thought was
interesting. See if I have anything interesting here. This is our product um NVR Reinhomes product and we have a calculation not that you could read that um I failed the eye test but there is a calculation again of of our impact and mobility fees
um for the project and that is it for me for the moment we have our team here you'll recognize some of them Jeremy Couch and Steve Henry I just have one Barbara um thank you for working with us on the sidewalk improvements.
What What's the um and I'm sure it's fine, but just for my knowledge, what's what's your western landscape buffer? What's that requirement? Oh, to you? Yes, that would be a good question for Jeremy. Oh, okay. Good. He's going to come up here
and hopefully tell you about that. Sure, no problem. Chairman, Commissioners, Jeremy Couch, Tampa Civil 17937, Hunting Bow Circle, Loots 33558. Um, Commissioner Williams, you are going to test my knowledge of the
code. uh off of the top of my head, but I believe it is a 15 foot type B, which requires a 6-ft solid fence and a continuous shrub row and
evergreen trees every 30 ft. Um if during review, um it's determined that it's larger, we will do the code requirement. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Uh, any other questions for the
applicant? All right. Uh, this is Janna. Anybody signed up? I'm assuming we do have two individuals signed up to speak on this item and I'm not sure if they would like to speak to the CPA or the MPU first. Um, Maryanne Crandis.
Mr. Sure. I mean, he might want to just open up the public hearing to both items. Okay. So, they can speak to both. Okay. We'll open up to public hearings to both items then. So, when you're there, you can go ahead and speak to both items if you intended to. Terry,
Mr. Chairman, would you like your presentation on the MP first? Um, probably a good idea. Yeah, probably should. Sorry about that. All right, Barbara kind of ran through a lot of the high level stuff,
but I'll try and cover more. Again, it's Robert Irving with Plane Development Economic Growth. This is the Arcola Shady Hills MPUD. It's PTE 257850. Here's the location map. The project overview, it's a zoning
amendment from AR Agricultural Residential District to MPUD master plan unit development to allow for the development of 186 town home units and associated infrastructure on approximately 28.21 acres. And it's located on the north side of Krella Drive, approximately 1,275 ft east of
the intersection of Krella Drive and Shady Hills Road. Here's a location map, the zoning map showing the existing AR, the future land use, and on the context map, just as
Barbara mentioned, and just to cover a little bit more, um, Shady Hills Road from Krell Drive to Bosley Drive, there's a 5-ft sidewalk that's currently at 30% design and is anticipated to be constructed in fiscal year 2026.
six. Um, and as mentioned before, you'll see the Mary GL Elementary School to the south, the Cruz Lake Middle School to the west, and also to note the Krell Estates Town Home Project, which is just to the southwest, um, was responsible for constructing an
8-oot multi-use path that brought the path up to Krella Drive and then this project will be bringing it to the Sun Coast Trail. So that's what's shown on the master plan as well. And in red, you'll see shaded the type B 20 foot buffer. And then you'll see on the north side of
Krella, the 5-ft sidewalk that was mentioned that'll connect to the school access. And then the 8ft multi-use path on the south side. Here's the MPU binding concept plan. And the applicant requests a variation
from 901611 street access to adjoining property to not provide an interconnect to the west as that's the existing school property and it would not be feasible. Um the applicant providing enhanced pedestrian mobility or sorry let me rewind that for a second. PD is
in agreement with this variation as it meets the intent of the code as there's an existing school with fields and recreation to the west side that make it not feasible for an interconnection. And additionally, the applicant providing enhanced pedestrian mobility through the con construction of the 8-oot multi-use path, 5-ft sidewalk, and the safe
crossings with flasher help support the variation. This comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions. Okay, any questions for Robert? Okay, very good. Thank you.
You want to do Barbara? Barbara, do you need anything else? Okay. All right. So, back to public comment. The first individual we have is Miss Mary Anne Cranidis. Thank you.
When you come up, just a reminder, state your name and address and acknowledge that you've been sworn or we will swear you in if you have not. Okay. Hello. My name is Maryanne Cornus. I live at 15515 Wax
Avenue, Spring Hill, Pasco 34610. Okay. So, so did you swear in earlier? To her? Yeah. Did you swear in when they asked everybody? Okay. No, we'll need to get the clerk to swear you in. It's just Okay. Sure. She'll go ahead and take
care of it. Do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give in help? Yes, I do. Thank you. Okay. So, uh, the reason I'm here today is I'm basically I'm requesting to deny this project that's that you're
talking about behind Cruz Lake Middle School and um, and I'm just basically I did some research on AI. You know, I used my AI to answer some of these basic questions and um, I'm just going to
review what some of those are. So, why should houses not be built on wetlands? So according to AI, houses should not be built on wetlands because these areas are crucial for wildlife habitat, flood protection and water purification, building on wetlands can disrupt these ecosystems, lead to environmental damage
and also violate legal regulations protecting these lands. Number two, okay, so this is AI. What percentage of Florida land is considered wetlands? Wetlands cover approximately 20.3 million acres in Florida, which is more than half of the state's land area.
Although the exact percentages can vary, Florida has more wetlands than any other state in the contiguous United States. And that's according to the US Fish and Wildlife Service. Uh, another AI question. Has the wildlife population in Florida diminished due to building? Yes,
the wildlife population in Florida has diminished due to habitat loss and fragmentation caused by urban development and road construction. This has led to increased threats to various species including reduced genetic diversity and higher mortality rates from vehicle collisions. Number
four, what is the motive for overdevelopment in Pasco County, Florida? The motive for overdevelopment in Pasco County, Florida primarily stems from the desire to increase property values and generate additional tax revenue. Source: Tampa Bay Times. Number
five, what are the risks for building in a place prone to natural disasters like flooding and hurricanes? Building in areas prone to natural disasters like flooding and hurricanes poses significant risks including structural damage from high winds, flooding, and flying debris. Additionally, these regions often face challenges such as
increased insurance cost, regulatory hurdles, and the need for specialized construction techniques to ensure safety and resilience. Um, so I also was looking up about what are people still dealing with in our area from the 2024
hurricane season. And um, basically uh, there was uh, 4 billion in FEMA flood insurance claims. Nearly four 40,600 claims made to FEMA National Flood Insurance Program in the three
county region amount amounting to over $4 billion in damages. Tampa Bay accounted for well over half of the flood claims made in Hurricane Helen and Milton nationwide. Okay. Um so let me skip down
to uh the 42 million gallons of sewage pollution. Okay. So a state analysis of state pollution reports by the Tampa Bay estuary showed 48% of waste. Okay. So basically I I also talked about a quote
from Craig Fugate saying that some people will never recover. They will be financially bankrupt. That was our former former uh FEMA administrator and our Florida guy for and then I I also talked about the wellfields in Florida
and a lot of our water that goes south come from our wellfields like the North Pasco well fields and the future of the Florida aquifer in regards to overdevelopment and water supply. The future of the Florida aquifer is concerning due to
overdevelopment which is leading to an increased water demand from the aquifer and that might not be able to sustain. As the population grows and more water is extracted, the aquifer faces significant challenges including declining water levels and potential
shortages. Okay. And in terms of how that area, we don't need more houses in back of that school or or you know, we don't need and first of all, those houses are going to be way too expensive and we need more reasonably priced stuff. But I think your time's up. Yeah.
So I don't I don't I I request that you deny it. Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right. Curiosity question for the county attorney. Yes. I asked AI is that hearsay evidence
or is is that substantial compent evidence? I don't think it what matters is her her testimony. I don't I mean I don't know matters what the source of her testimony is. But she said there's no there's no we're you're not bound by formal rules of evidence. So even if it
is hearsay I understand you can still accept her testimony. Okay. For whatever you think it's worth. Not much. Okay. Just Tiana. The next individual I have is Pastor Jen. I'm sorry. I'm going to mess up
your last name. Pastor Jen Carowak, uh, Shady Hills Mission Chapel, 15925 Green Glenn Lane, Spring Hill, Florida. I have been sworn. Um, I sent pictures, so don't start my time. And I sent pictures.
Yeah, I think Patty's pulling them up now. I think Do you know who you sent them to, Jen? It was like the normal email address that I always send it to. Whatever admin. Yeah. Take me a minute. I don't have access to that email.
I can try and send it now. Yeah, I think she's working on We won't start your clock yet. Jen, don't do it. How's your day going? [Music] Do you can you email them directly to
me? Okay. What's the email? C R I S T Y I N G L I N Patty I just emailed them to you because she sent them to me during the meeting.
Thank you. Did you send them? All right. Okay, then I don't have to. Do I need to send them then? [Laughter] though. Just wait for And then if you just I don't know have if you want going to scroll through
them. Um, these are pictures and and my main concern really is um the lack of ability to accommodate the current traffic. Um, you know, there's a couple things here and I'm just going to read right
off the memo. I'm just going to speak to it. Um, the North Market area envisioned as a predominantly rural area. Um, if you move down, it says, you know, the goal is or the mission is to preserve rural lifestyle, agricultural lands, and natural
resources. Um, and so we've had an influx of development. We've got 1,200 homes and patio homes and things like that. There's another project that just started clear cutting, burning stuff down. Um, that was from 2022. I haven't
even had time to look into it. Um, the concern is, you know, the lack of, uh, we just went through the hurricane season, the county, I just watched the workshop. It's like, I don't know, $84 million that hasn't been paid back. Um,
that's funds out of the general um, account apparently. And so the the lack of ability to even wrap my mind around the fact that the current traffic study is from
2023 which does not even include all that's mentioned in here with regards to compatibility and I won't even get into the usage of private residential um ingress, egress and utility easements.
So that is a big concern of mine. But mostly there was a young man, 18 years old, David Householder, who was killed at the corner of Greenland and Shady Hills Road on April 1st of this year. I
have been coming to these meetings for a very long time, longer than I even care to recall. No personal, you know, issue there, but we're 63rd out of 67 in counties with regards to how many
deputies, the safety of our of our citizens. Um, 63 out of 67, but Pasco is striving to be a premier county. Um, you know, 30 months away when somebody moves
in from their house, the sheriff is 30 months away. Um the also the traffic study and I'm just trying to make up my notes 12.7% growth according to um I believe it was
the census not 2% growth that's noted that's noted in the traffic study for transportation needs 2045 I think Mr. Moody uh spoke to it earlier with regards to 2045, 2030. I mean, you know,
and I've continued to ask when Shady Hills isn't even on the map. I mean, they say that it is, but it's not. And so, you know, the idea that um in our code at let's see,
uh 901.2 two, it says that the goal is to according to Florida statutes for our this group here to do what's in the best interest of the public health, safety, welfare, and convenience of the Shady
Hills, Leisure Hills, Hudson citizens. To add this now, it's well ahead of its time. There's 43% of vacant houses. 43% of the housing in Pasco County according to the census as well was
vacant Pasco County. So I'm asking based on this that you would deny it today. But at a minimum, if you chose not to deny it, I'm asking that Miss Wilhight and her clients would at a minimum have a meeting with the citizens of Shady
Hills. We've been opposed to these things for a long time because of the road. Her client's not going to pay for the road and the county can't afford the road right now. How do you accommodate it? I ask you to deny it.
Jen. Jen. All right, Jenny. Clarification. I understand the growth may have been 12%, but it's a code requirement that they use 2%. They're only following the code when they do that. I'm not telling you the code's not
broken, but that's that's how they get away with that. It was the information, right? The projection is 2% growth. I understand that that's according to many different places, right? But the reality
of it is is 12.7% was the increase. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm telling you what they're doing is following a broken code. And that's where you're going to have to. But to be clear, I think the code says it's a minimum of 2%.
Staff has an ability based on the When Steve Henry comes up here, we'll ask him how many times he's applied a number higher than 2% to a development, but they that's what they do. It's just not it's not real. It's not fact based. The
decision should be fact-based, right? I'm not going to disagree with you about that. And that was 24 12.7% growth. Thank you. I'm sorry. I think that's all. Anybody else? Is that everybody? There is nobody else
signed up for comment on this item. And nobody on WebEx. Correct. There's nobody on WebEx. Thank you, Barbara Bullhight. For the applicant, um the project has no wetlands. There is we're regarding wildlife. Obviously, we have list of species requirements that we have to
follow. There's also a pretty substantial ecological corridor um on the east side of Shady Hills Road as you go o across the Sunos Parkway. So, the area does have a significant environmental um lands acquisition
program there for an ecological corridor. The project has no flood plane. It's zone X. There will be no sewage pollution. The project's on central water and sewer. There'll be no reclaimed because this property is with the area that we're in is the Wikiwatchi
BMAP. Um so there's no um reclaim there. With regard to the north market area, I think staff actually wrote I've written a lot of these things and myself and and read a lot of these things, but um ultimately the north market are airs
envisioned as predominantly rural area with activity centers, employment nodes and village centers at strategic locations. Development should be concentrated in clusters or nodes with a balance of mutually supportive uses. and staff writes, "Given the proposed development's proximity to public services such as schools, parks, and
roads, and is adjacent to an industrial and public public semi-public lands, the increase in residential density is appropriate in this area to achieve a balance of mutually supportive uses and maintain economic viability, which is consistent with the vision of the north market area. I'd also remind you of what
the school capacity is in this area as well. Um, which also goes to making sure that we have a mutually supportive infrastructure and that we where we put infrastructure in that we have density in those areas. Um, I know that it's a topic of
conversation regarding Shady Hills Road. I I can tell you that from my conversations, it's that there's support to prioritize Shady Hills Road. That's got to be done by the board. It's ultimately a board issue. We do have overall our impact fees and mobility fees are 3.6 million with the
mobility fee share of 1.4 million. What we do is obviously we pay our fees but then we also look for those opportunities that what we can do on a project level where we can make a difference and do something for the community. We did it here. We looked at the we saw an opportunity to get that
multi-use path all the way along Krella to get to the Sun Coast Parkway to make that Sunost trail to make that connection. We saw that opportunity as something that our project could do to make a difference and we're doing that. Um Steve Henry can come up and talk traffic with you. You have any other
questions other than traffic that we can answer. Thank you. On the issue of traffic, thank you for actually attaching the traffic study to this one, Mr. Good job. See,
Steve Henry Linkson Associates 5023 West Laurel, Tampa 3607. So, do you have a a question? We I actually don't. Okay. Yeah. Actually, since I will since I told Jen I'd ask you that. How many times do you actually use a growth rate of more than 2% in a traffic study? Uh I
mean, we do it and I would say probably 25 to 50% of the time. I mean, because what we do is we look at and in this case, we did use more than 2%. We used 2% plus we added in the Krello states traffic for their their traffic study. So it was actually more than 2%.
We had 2% then added their traffic on top of it. So this was more than 2% this particular one. U but for the most part what we do is we look at the historical growth rates in in the general area. uh DOT publish those and so we look at at
the count historical counts and then we come based on that we either use that if it's higher than 2% or if it's lower then we use the 2%. And and in this one because it was a plan amendment we also used we did the needs assessment which
used the projected 2045 volumes on Shady Hills and then the timing and phasing was looking at the buildout of the project with the 2% plus the additional project And so I want to be clear, our county staff has the ability
to require him to use more than 2%. I mean, the code says it's 2% unless other reasonable rates are determined to be more appropriate by the county. So, right, if our county staff tells him to use more than 2%, he's got to use more than 2%. Absolutely. And what we do on
90% of our projects is in the appendix we use we we include the DOT historical counts and then we we come up with a growth factor for those to say okay here's what the historical growth rate is in the area and then based on that we
say if it's less than 2% we use 2%. Uh if it's more then we use that growth rate but we but that is in our traffic studies to document how we come up with that growth rate. I I understand. Sure. I understand. Just you're not going to
tell the average member of the public that drives on the roads around here that the traffic grew by 2%. I I don't care what the DOT says. I don't care what the county staff says and I don't care what you say. We all drive around and we all know what we see. That being
said, I don't have any questions about this project. I would also comment because this is relevant to the last application. This traffic study does not show any failures. Correct. So, it does not have the same issue that the last one had. Just pointed out because made a comment
made it sound like all of our traffic studies show failures. They they don't. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions? Motion. So, we make a motion for both. I'll do one at a time.
But you have to do the land use first. Move to approve item PC7. Second. All right. Motion, I second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries and the chairman Greg abstain from
voting. We're now PC8. Motion approve. P8. Motion to approve and a second. Any other discussion? All in all in favor? I opposed. Motion carries again. Chairman Gray abstained.
Uh Matt Mons, Commissioner Mons. Okay. And that was the conclusion of the agenda today. Motion to adjurnn. Move we adjourn. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Second. All
in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. I want to know how it went so much easier when you could
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