--------- thought about it, right? But they the standard dedication for utilities. So then we put the standard dedication for utilities. We got the conveyance to the county for
the last round, >> but this is all private and I We don't have any utilities at all. Are you okay? It's a 12. It's a 12T wide. >> Yeah.
Right. We're after season. I don't have time for this. Yeah, >> so >> I sent it to Morgan and it wasn't it wasn't just that utility comment. So utility comment is fine. I'm fine with
that's what they want to do. >> There were well there were some other Right. >> Okay. So, if they fixed everything, then we'll release it. If it if it but I took a quick look at it, it didn't look like the pipes were going to the city. It
looked like pipes were coming to us. So, that we may that may well in the one that we just got this morning, it's still not right. So, I'll when we get done when we get done with the board meeting, I'll
>> try and get into the weeds. Well, >> you know, use it use it using review using that review function of word is almost a nobrainer. But but the problem I've got with
notes on the on the myar is sometimes they get moved and then it's Yeah. But yeah, she she prefers to do everything electronically. I I I normally
strike through it and then scan that page and send it back. doing the best I can. I don't think you got enough. I give you slack on this one. >> I like push my weight. Let's go.
Wait a minute. >> Got pink ties on forg purpose. >> Easter. That's another week off. >> Good. That's when you should be wearing it.
tie soccer. >> I was just like what I want. time. >> Um, let's give her a minute just because we ran late.
>> Send her a picture of me. picture. >> Yeah. >> There she is. There she is. We're going to call back to order the meeting at 1:30.
Um, we had a few people from the item that we were going on for rangeand and there were there were a few people online. Are there still people online? >> There are still people online. Not sure exactly which ones, but I'll I can read them off a list if we have them.
Patrick Briggs. Patrick Briggs. Gabriel Bousard. Gabriel Bashard. Steven Gladen. Steven Gladen.
We see you online. We're not hearing you, sir. >> I just got a notification from staff that they cannot hear online from anyone speaking. So, Khalil, can you make sure everything's open? Steven Gladen
we can see again we can see him online but um Karen Stats we'll come back to Mr. Glenn Karen S ti
Allan Atlas Richard Rogers which is there. Is he muted? Unmuted? >> Yeah, they're not. >> All right, folks. As we as we call you, if you're online, you have please make
sure to unmute yourself. I got a text from >> Raymond Jolene. >> He's muted. >> Those of you who have been trying to, we're seeing you, but we're not. It's showing that you're muted. >> It says they're muted and he can't
unmute himself. Ray Joe line just respond. >> Are they still locked? >> Yeah. >> While they while they look at that, I know there's one person who was in the audience that he didn't get a chance to speak. So, why don't I bring him up, sir? Name address for the record.
>> Good afternoon, commissioners. Uh, my name is Caam Shokut. I'm a resident of Beexley. My address is 16778 Courtyard Loop. I'm here today because I'm deeply concerned that the community I love is being traded for highspeed transit corridor without our consent or even
clear explanation. We often hear that adding lanes is a solution to congestion, but data tells a different story. Adding lanes does not improve traffic efficiency. It's a short-term fix that leads to induced
demand. More lanes simply invite more cars until we are right back where we started, only with more noise and more danger. Instead of connecting us, these multi-lane roadways act as concrete scars that divide our communities.
When we widen roads, you aren't building bridge, you are building a barrier. It becomes a psychological and physical wall that severes one side of neighborhood from the other. This loss of cohesion is the first step towards community blight, turning vibrant, walkable sanctuary into a
transit corridor that people just want to speed through, not live in. Think about the human cost of those extra lanes. For a senior citizen or a child, every additional lane of traffic is gone left. It takes significantly longer for pedestrians to cross a
four-lane road than a two-lane road. Every second they are stuck in that no man's land is a second where they're vulnerable to a high-speed fatality. We urge the commission to move away from the carcentic sprawl and dangerous
strokes. those multi-lane roadways that are neither efficient highways nor safe streets. These design encourage high-speed lane changes and make pedestrian accidents inevitable. Pasco should instead focus on walkable multi-use destinations where people
aren't forced to drive a car for every small errand. Commissioners, we ask you to build for the residents, not for the commuters. Please support option A, keep roundabouts intact, and reject any plans for a high-speed interchange that would
divide and endanger our community. Thank you, >> Mr. Chair. We think we've come up with a workaround, so we're going to try to start with the top of the list. Uh, one more time, I believe Patrick Briggs was not online,
uh, nor was Gabriel Bashard, but we did have Stephen Gladen. >> Yes. Mr. Glen, can you unmute yourself or try unmuting now? >> Stephen still so shows you're muted and that's not from our end. It's from his
end. Stephen, try again. >> Mr. Glen, can you try again, please? >> Bring him forward. Someone else. >> Uh, let's try. >> One, two. Can you guys hear me? >> There we go. There we go. >> All right.
See, kind of jumped in there, but I apologize. >> You're this Raymond Jolene? >> Yep. Raymond Joe line. >> Okay. >> And we can see you. >> Oh, awesome. Even better.
>> So, I'm your address, Raymond? >> I'm Rachel Line. I'm with 16658 Verto Lane in beautiful Lando Lakes here. uh Beexley resident and uh thanks for the opportunity to speak. >> Go ahead. >> Uh I want to start pointing out
something that has been clearly addressed. Why is Beexley the only community being asked to accept a potential six lane in uh the inner interchange? Uh Starky's not facing that. Other surrounding communities aren't, but but we are. We're in a
unique position at the location for this ultimate buildout. our community understands and you know we need this improved connectivity but why why is it us and uh what we do not support is the future
introduction of an inter interchange and a six lane through our residential community. Um that is where the concerns lie from a traffic standpoint. County representatives have already confirmed that's an interchange connection is to be made in the future. the proposed
roundabout that's already there will not be able to handle that that volume. So, uh to that point, a signal intersection similar to what is being proposed in the original option B would most likely be required and we do not want that. Uh this leads to serious questions about
fiscal responsibility. How responsible is to spend tax dollar taxpayers money constructing a roundabout that you're ultimately going to have to remove and replace? And then why is it coming towards us? you can go towards Starky as well and put that six lane highway. You
know, uh it just doesn't seem to be to be fair or fiscally responsible. Um >> these concerns are even more important given the statement made during the meeting. Commissioner Starky, you stated that you wanted the interchange today and clearly advocating for the ultimate preferred option that includes the six
lanes and its interchange. Bring it up towards your residents. I'm sure they'll be here talking, you know, like this this is not right. or you're going to put it towards us instead. Um, why are we even putting this at all? That's that's my question. And I guess Commissioner Joerger, uh, you know,
you're coming up for re-election. You represent our community. We really need your your support here. Okay. Uh, we're trying to be reasonable. We support a road, but let's do it where it it's beneficial for our community. >> Uh, we do not support planning for an
interchange that was never contemplating uh or fundamentally altered. it will totally fundamentally alter our community. Uh finally, I formally request that the reference of the six lane roads and the interchange be removed from all documents, plans, and materials under this consideration of this board, leaving those references in
place directly conflict with the county comprehensive plan which never contemplated an interchange uh at the location as well. That leads to my last point. What legal authority does the board have to amend uh the legislative
approved comprehensive plan under this item 31? This item is not being presented or a build as a comprehensive plan amendment and therefore the board has no right or authority to change it through this action. These are serious planning, fiscal and legal issues that
deserve proper consideration. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Uh, Richard Rogers. Mr. Rogers, we're changing your status. Try now. >> Okay. Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Oh, okay. Very good. Uh, well, I'm Richard Rogers. I live at 18068 on Way in Beexley. I agree with all of the other Beexley residents and others that have the same comments. I have a particular question. It's not
about Beexley and said, but it does is affected by Britain's land project. I ask that >> you can ask, but we don't have a dialogue back and forth. Well, the the question I have because it's not been addressed at all is
there's a uh there's a a group of people that uh fly radiocrol airplanes at the West Pasco Modeling Association that is down towards western end of the rangeand uh project. And I'm wondering how how
this will affect their uh being able to continue to there's about 200 people in that group that be able to participate there. Uh is this going to make them have to move their uh their flying field or will they still be able to be able to
use that? >> We don't respond during public comment. So if you want to ask your questions, fine. We may discuss it when the commissioners start talking again. you you're wasting your time. We we don't want back and forth. So, we may discuss it when commissioners it comes back to the commissioners at the end of
the public comment. >> Okay. Sorry. >> Are you done, sir? >> Yes. >> Thank you. We're going to go back. Steve Gladwell, stand by. Give us just a moment.
Mr. still shows he's muted. >> Mr. Gladen, try it one more time. We've changed your status here, but it hasn't reflected on your end. Um, Christy Latell, I'm sorry.
>> Alio Rivera, can you hear me? >> Yes, sir. Please proceed. >> Okay. No, thank you for the opportunity uh to to talk. I'm Ria. I'm also a neighbor of uh Beexley uh 16659 Vibra
Lane. Uh moved here uh moved here around 6 and a half years ago. I'm the original resident of the owner of the house. Honestly, never made aware about this uh this project.
Anyway, the community does uh support uh option A. We know we need to we need to support uh uh one of the options but that's the really the uh the option that the community is uh it's uh supporting.
I did heard at the beginning of the meeting probably some uh discussions about some of the members I believe it's from the transportation community and I really want to make sure that it's not
interpreted that uh the prefer option is the option that uh the community supports. Okay. So if you if you come and do a pulse check at the Beexley uh at the Beexley community definitely
that's not the option that it's uh supported you know so just wanted to convey uh what is uh the the the option that is supported a lot of us move here because of the the environment the opportunities
the the open space the safety uh of uh of uh what what Beexley brings to us and we feel that this is going to be this is going to be damaged by other by any of the other options. Okay. So just that's really what I just wanted to
convey. Uh thank you for the opportunity. >> Thank you sir. Joshua human. Does his status need to change? Mr. Human, try it now. still shows muted. >> Josh, >> no comment. Just no comment. Just
listening in. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Thank you, sir. Um Lee Wiscowski Le still shows you change status. Uh, Mr. Wkowski or Lee, please try it now. Stephen. Um, Bon,
>> stand by. We're changing. >> Hello. >> Okay. Yes, sir. Can you hear me? >> Proceed. >> Okay. Good afternoon. My name is Steven Babin. I live at 3981 Broad Porch Run in Lando Lakes with my wife and family. I
also serve in a community leadership role. I'm on both the HOA and CDD board. Um but I'm here representing myself as a voter and you know for my personal interests and my family's interests. Um I am asking you directly to oppose the
preferred alternative and if you can't do that to please post postpone the vote today so that the community can have more time to review the facts as this um proposal was kind of a last minute addition to the agenda and we haven't
fully vetted it um officially as a community and then equally as individuals. Um I I kind of want to reiterate some facts that were brought up. Um, you know, Beexley was planned as a master plan community that we all purchased into that was approved through the county commission and through these processes. Um, as a walkable human scale
community. Um, you know, we chose to live here so we could walk to our schools and our parks neighborhoods and use trails and amenities. Um, having a six lane highway through the middle of that would would violate that design and make it unsafe. Um, it essentially
splits half the community directly in half. Um, and that's really not acceptable for pretty much anybody that lives here or anybody that's purchased here. Um, and and there a lot of thought and process went into designing this place. And I think most of us want to see it through. So, um, overwhelmingly
the community community has supported option A and I also support option A and I and I think we need to do that. I think if we go down these other paths, we're kind of going down roads where things haven't been presented. There's not enough time. I and and and that's
pretty much where I'm at. I think um you know the community has spoken about it and and I just would would hope that you would respect you know our voices. That's it. Thank you. >> Thank you,
>> Lindsay Mazinski. >> Good afternoon. >> Yes, go ahead. We're getting it. >> Hi. Thank you. So, my name is Lindsay Mosinski. I represent Asteria Community Development District, which is located
at 14745 Prominade Parkway. Um, I've been asked to read a statement to the commission today regarding this um route study. Uh, we understand that it's going to be constructed and the board and the district wishes to work collaborative
collaboratively with the county. Be better if I could talk a little bit more clear for you as well. Um, but we also want to make sure that we address all of the concerns that the Asteria residents have. We've heard the opposition today from a lot of the surrounding community
development districts and our neighbors. Uh, and we do support something that makes sense and that is safe and prioritizes the public benefit uh, as well. And so we're also going to be asking for a continuence of this new
preferred alternative so that it can be fully vetted so that the public can be involved in an additional workshop or a town hall. Um Asteria is concerned with any type of street connection through its internal streets to rangeland. Uh
and that is also something new that is being proposed in this preferred alternative with a right exit lane. That's not anything that has been discussed in the years prior that this has been brought up. Uh there's also major concerns regarding sound barriers
and other pedestrian traffic. And so we're really looking forward to working with the county on this, but we also want a public vetting process that allows genuine feedback from the rest of the community to come through and to be taken into consideration before any
final decisions are made. Thank you. I'm seeing Mr. Rogers. Richard Rogers. Uh, are you >> You heard You did Rogers already, didn't you? >> No, it was Joe Line. >> I don't have anything further.
>> Okay. >> No, you heard from Rogers. >> The only other one was Gladen. Steven Gladen, and he's not on there now. >> Uh, what about Lei? >> Believe we tried. You tried but I don't
think you ever >> which one was >> we did Lindsay. >> Yeah. >> Oh, different names. I'm sorry. >> Lee Wizowski. >> Leaving. >> She left. >> You left?
>> Okay. All right. So, that's all for public comment then. >> That's all I have. >> Okay. All right. It is to the board. Could >> I ask a question? Okay, Mr. Ros,
>> um maybe Panos, you can come forward. >> This >> tell me about the six lane portion of of the road that that if the connection is to the Sun Coast where where will that start and end on Rangeland Road?
>> It will start at South Branch Boulevard on the west side of San on the map here. Um, >> do we have the conceptual plan? >> Is there is there another map?
>> By the way, >> I'm not sure. Just one more. >> Okay. Am I seeing there now to the east there is the roundabout they're talking about >> to the east and to the west you see the connection of South Branch with the
future Rangeland Boulevard just west of Sun Coast which is in the blue lines you can see South Branch where it extends >> close to Rangeland Boulevard. >> Okay. South from south branch back to the east
>> to the east end to the west end of the roundabout. >> Well, no. No. Where you going? >> Leaving the map. >> Leave it right there. So, >> does it go all the way to the roundabout? >> Yes, >> it ends at the roundabout. Ends at the roundabout. So, it
>> ends at the roundabout. So, it'll come back into four lanes before the roundabout. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. And you need to make clear where the transition back to four lanes is going to be. It's going to be past the roundabout on Bexley Parkway. >> Roundabout. We're going to drop the lane
as a right turn lane towards Beexley Village. >> So, there's no six lanes in Beexley. >> Not six lanes in Beexley. >> I understand. >> That's what I'm trying to get at. I don't I don't think that was very clear. >> And and but Beexley Parkway is set up for four lanes. Right now, there's two
lanes, but the right of way is preserved for four lanes in the future. Our engineer has a concept if the board would like to see what that looks like. >> Yes, please. >> Yeah, we can provide you six lanes and I was getting confused. >> Where am I at? Is that upside down
>> potentially? >> Yeah, it's upside down. >> Okay. So basically the s the third lane going east will become a right turn lane going south on Bad Beexley Parkway. So it's it will not extend to the west to
the east of the roundabout on Bad Beexley Parkway. >> So I don't know how many feet or how how far that is from the roundabout. It goes into the six lane toward the Sun Coast. >> Yes. from the west end of the roundabout
towards Sanos, it would be six lanes. Should we build the the interchange? >> Should it ever be built? >> Yeah. Should should the interchange. >> I just want to know how far it went. Cuz if it went through the roundabout, I know that' be very hard to do because that's already built in and >> it will not >> be hard to change that to six
roundabouts. >> But that's not showing six lanes. >> It is on the left >> on the left on the west going toward the sun. You see one set of dots >> separated dashes. >> That's two lanes.
>> This is >> We're asking to see the six lanes. So this is >> where is the six lane on the diagram because it's not there >> where your pan is. Is that >> So just for clarification, this is the preferred alternative which is just a four lane. But what you see chevron there, the the stripes that are going
along, that's providing the extra pavement that would that would allow for a connection to go smoothly into and drop right at Beexley Village. So basically, you're preparing the roundabout to make sure it can accept an additional lane. So that lane would kind of use some of that chevron pavement to
drop into. So it would be the lane would end exactly at the Beexley Village roundabout. >> Do you have a map that shows the six lane? We can show you the the concepts B and C or concept C shows six lanes with >> you want to see. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Let us see.
>> While we're waiting for that panos, >> yes, >> com was brought up by a civil engineer. Was this road designed as an arterial or a collector? >> I believe it's a collector as part of the >> when it's when you add six lanes to it, does that change it from an arterial to
a collector? >> I don't think so. I mean, >> can we got a plan to answer question? >> We we will confirm that, but uh I'm not uh 100% sure. >> What is range land? >> I think really the question should be what is what is the purpose of the six lanes? Who requested the six lanes and
why are they necessary? The purpose is does it violate the comprehensive plan? >> Go ahead. Answer that first. Yes. >> Uh the need for the six lanes comes from building the interchange and the reason is because between the distance between
the ramps of the interchange and the roundabout is very short. So the cues of the vehicles entering the roundabout will back into the ramps of the interchange and impact the main line of the of Sunost. So Turnpike asked us to
if we want the interchange to put six lanes between uh South Branch Boulevard and the roundabout. So the request to answer your question commissioner is from from the turnpike. >> You're going to tell me my question is my question is very basic. going from
six lanes from two lanes to of going from four lanes to six lanes. Is it turning that segment into a arterial or is this still considered a collector? >> I don't have that answer right now. Uh >> I'm still waiting for it. >> I don't understand what it is.
>> Commissioner, the definition of arterial and a collector are very similar. It's written in the it's called the Ashtto Green Book. It's a federal standard, but there's long, you know, several paragraph description. It's somewhat subjective to say exactly what the threshold is. I don't believe it's tied
to a number of lanes. So, I would have to try to get I'd have to actually read the chapter to tell you if exactly what it would say, but but in general terms, I don't believe it it ties to a number of lanes. >> All right. So, let me ask a planner. >> Aren't we with commissioner Oakley? >> I'd really like the county engineer to speak to that if I could, sir. That's
fine. Okay. I basically understand what you're talking about now when it it'll transverse into that six lane, but but it won't affect the roundabout. >> Good afternoon, commissioners. Nick Uran, county engineer. Um the question
is if you build a six-lane road, is it still a collector? No, we don't we don't build six lane collector roads in Pasco County. >> So, it goes from a collector to an arterial with the We don't have any six lane collector votes in Pasco County. >> Okay. >> So, it's an arterial.
>> It stays arterial the whole road. >> All right. Here comes >> those are your choices. >> Finish, please. >> Yeah. Yeah. It it is in our comp plan. It is a collector road with an ultimate cross-section of four lanes. And we
don't have any examples of other roads throughout Pasco County that are called collective roads that have an ultimate cross-section of six lanes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. That answer my question where it started and >> Okay. >> Yeah. If if it's put in I just wonder
that doesn't affect the roundabout itself, but it relieves that traffic once it comes through the roundabout and moves people will be able to move to the right and other people can go straight ahead. Correct. >> And that's what I want to kind of clear. Yeah. That's good.
>> Yeah. Panels, don't leave. >> I ain't gonna let you get away that quick. >> So, I have a question. What is the estimated cost of the project if we wait for the interchange? I know that's a hard one, but
>> yeah, I don't Well, are you commissioner asking if we build alternative A, we built four lanes and we don't account for the additional pave area for the Well, I don't have that number, but I know for a fact that if we build
alternative A and then we go to build the additional lanes in the future, we will have to rebuild drainage because the excuse me, the curbs on the outside and the inlets and everything will reset. So those will have to be reconstructed and the utilities will
have to be relocated once again because there will be utilities that when we go to widen to the outside then we will have to relocate the utilities too. So it's going to be costly disruptive to traffic because it's easier to add lanes in the median than on the outside. So
you know and obviously it will be costly but I don't have the the figure how much it will cost. So if you built the lanes and you did not build the interchange, do you have a guesstimate of how much that would be? Like if you left the
room, you left the drainage. >> Yes, we have that number. >> Build the roads but but have the right >> the space reserved. >> Yes, we have that number. Is that's the preferred alternative. Right. The >> build six lanes or four but you leave the space in between to
>> That's what alternative, >> right? So, the preferred alternative does not build the interchange. The preferred alternative just provides four lanes with an extra wide median with 44 feet. And the extra width in the median doesn't cost a lot. I mean, and it's fit within the rideway corridor. Um, it's
basically it's it's just kind of bumping out on the outside, pushing those lanes out now so you can widen to the median later. uh the the major cost differences between alternative A and alternative uh the preferred alternative is driven a lot by some of the other features that
we added to enhance pedestrian and bicycle safety. We added another pedestrian underpass which extended the reconstruction required some reconstruction but parkway we also included another roundabout which helps uh push down the speeds because that's another question another concern we had from the public particularly where we
have school children walking around. So, we tried to do what we could to impose those speeds through things like additional roundabouts. And then we tried to make sure we provided dual paths on both sides to make sure that the kids could get off of the the road. They didn't have to use a bicycle lane no matter what side they were coming from. So, that's really the b the major
part of the difference. We also increased the the cost we assigned to the right ofway. Uh it's the same amount of rightaway impact between alternatives B and C and the preferred alternative, but we we we had a more refined estimate which we we made sure we only updated the preferred alternative because the
other ones were shown to the public just using publicly available kind of rightway appraiser uh cost per per acre. But when you do a more refined cost that also increased the price, it was about 20% of the of the overall $40 million increase. So that's not being driven by the extra wide median. the the width and
the median was basically just you know the the price of of the you know additional land or the additional space in between it but it's not really driven a lot in the construction cost >> also also the fact about the cost of the longer it takes to do some of these things the actual cost has been climbing
rather than going down >> yes and that's why it's hard to predict to to Commissioner Jagger's question it's difficult because without knowing the construction date in the future I mean we could provide a calculation where we would show the cost of reconstruction in present dollars that just wasn't part of the analysis that we were con conducting as as part of the
route study. >> Mr. Starky, >> do you have more questions? >> Nope, I'm good. Thank you. >> And maybe I might generate some for you. >> Okay. >> Um, so I wrote down things as people were talking to talk about. Um, someone brought up the roundabout South Branch.
Well, I think you what you just said is the reason why we're doing these roundabouts. It makes it safer for pedestrians to get across. This is a major trail for the county coming through here. The orange belt trail. It's starting in Trinity may have already started in Trinity. Well, and uh
is going all the way across the county to the with Luchi State Park. Um and we want people to be all those people that live on the south side to be able to safely um get to the trail and uh and traffic, you know, traffic calming. If
we don't have those roundabouts and we have that and I'm talking now on the west side, we won't have this I think on the east side, but if we have this road with wilderness on one side and very few cross crossings, we're going to have drag races out there. So, we've got to
got to have the traffic surface out there. Um, >> gun highway. Um I think um there's potential for more connections from rangeand to 54 and we need to explore
those and keep those options um on the table as those properties come in for development west of Atoria. We have Lake Lake Point, but there's another developer who's come in. I haven't seen him in a a year or two, but his property
also he's got two big pieces and we contemplate a road there as well. Um, uh, someone made a comment about density. Yes, we when you have an intersection of highways like the Sun Coast of 54, that
is where you put density. That's basic planning. Um the interchange gosh we've been talking about. So the place where we do the road talk talking like what we're talking about here today is at our MO which is our metropolitan planning
organization. Every county has one. Um some counties are multiple there's multiple counties involved in an NPO. We get federal money for a lot of these roads and our cities sit on that and that is where these discussions happen.
not so much here. Um, and we've been talking about this interchange since I was elected 14, 15. I don't know if you were talking about before I got to be a county commissioner. I'm trying to remember when I was on the school board, >> you brought up this interchange
importance, Jack. Um, so we have talked about it for many, many years. It's just that we don't always get into those discussions here. You can shake your head, but unless you came to the NO meetings, you can you can listen. We can talk about it for a long time. >> Um, so the underpass,
>> go ahead, please. >> The underpass on um, Beexsley is a great amenity to safely cross a road. I wish we had more of those in the county. And I'm pushing for more everywhere that we can get them so pedestrians and cyclists
can safely get from one side of the road to the other. Um, someone asked why the six lane. I think you described it. It's it's not us. It's it we could just keep the fourlane and I think we could should still fight for that. Um if and when
that these connect, this is DOT saying that it has to go to six lanes, not us choosing to go to six lanes. So I think that's I think we need to reserve the land but still, you know, make the make the argument when the time
comes and see see what those numbers look like then. But that's a long time away. Um, this road does go through Starky Ranch. It was always planned to go through Starky Ranch. There's two roads that go through Starky Ranch. When we were developing it, we tried to have both
roads have equal weight long spur, which turns into Lake Blanch Drive and Rangeand and U County won that argument. And we have rangeand that goes a little it's a little higher density but um it has
roundabouts and I can tell you there's thousands of kids in there that go to school on their bikes on their tri on their um scooters. We've had no accidents. It's incredible the amount of kids that are are getting
to school not in a car. Um, Atoria. No, Atoria's always been planned to connect to rangeand and it must connect to rangeand. We cannot have subdivisions in our county that only have one way in
and out. And we learn and if you were stuck in your house when we had that um oil spill on 54, you couldn't get out of a story yet during that in that day. So, um, everybody needs to have at least especially at least two, uh, waste into
their community, especially if you have more than 100 houses. That's just that's just one of our rules, and it's just a very important rule. Um, and I think you're going to like having rangeand behind you if you want to get somewhere and not have to get out on 54
because we continue to develop. There are thousands of homes still permitted but not built yet that are going to be using 54. And so we plan for the future 20 years out, 30 years out, 40 years
out, we won't be here. You may not be here, but someone's going to be here and they won't be able to move on 54 if we don't if we don't provide for the future. So these are the things that we have to decide as um county commissioners.
Um we h we have 600 right now 660,000 people. We're going to a million people. So um these roads are important and as Commissioner Oakley said, we need we need more more of these roads across the county and we're going to keep working on it and uh so that's where I am on
this one. Thank you, >> Commissioner Waven. >> Yeah, thank you, Chair. I'm still hung up on the intersection of 54 and gun. The answer that we received was somewhat vague when I had I think it
was were you on the teams? Were you on the call? Were you the engineer on the call and we discussed really the crux I mean we can build a road on ramp off ramp four lanes whichever option but it's all for nothing if it's a
bottleneck at 54 and gun. I think the success of this project hinges on the intersection of 54 and Gun Highway. And I need some more clarity on that before we spend a pile of money going going literally down this road. It's
going to bottleneck and be stuck like 54 and 41. There'll be that much volume. There might be a parallel reliever, but it's all going to go it's going to land in one spot. >> Why? Why are you saying that? >> Why am I saying that? because in our briefings when we had with engineer and panos and others talking about that
intersection talking it through um they also shared similar concerns that that intersection could end up being stuck. I don't know if you remember correctly, >> if we have the interchange, there's possibilities,
>> not without >> the an the answer that I received from staff was yes, there were potential concerns about that that intersection. An answer that was given to me today was, oh, let's build the road and then we'll see what the how the problems are
now later. I think that if if this whole roadway network is planned to be proactive, that interchange needs to be ran with by working with DOT simultaneously to set up the success for this road and for the future. And
basically what I heard today was, well, pick a design, build it, and then we'll see if that interchange is bogged down. That intersection is bogged down. Then we'll go to DOT and fix it. And then we'll have 18 studies later, and we'll be like 54 and 41, and we're talking
about it for 16 years. So, I think now's a a good opportunity to take a look at that intersection. And I know you talked about how the seconds were a little bit more, but I'm not overly I'm not overly convinced there. And I I want some reassurances that the
intersection of gun and 54 will be sufficient. And I'm not confident. Uh and what I'm hearing today that it will be. So that's not a hit on you. I just think who can predict in a crystal ball 40 years out? It it's 25 years out. It's
very difficult. But seeing real life, what we all live in, traveling across this county, real life today, postcoid, boom, everybody's moved here. We're stuck everywhere you go. There's road construction everywhere. Um, this is an opportunity for us to be proactive. And uh, for all the folks who are living
in this area, I think that that that's why everybody's here today. I mean, we received hundreds of emails. Um, and thank you all for reaching out and emailing us and and showing up today and spending your day engaging in this process. And so as we're all going through this together, I think we need
to look at the whole corridor. I mean, there's a lot of money that's going to be spent here. So that's that's that's where I'm I'm at within this within this project. So I wouldn't I'd be okay if we continued it till we
got some clarity and we added uh some more dialogue and let the residents see, you know, better graphics just like we do with the budget. um and then come back and and talk about it. That way everybody has a thorough understanding and we're all comfortable with it. Uh we have a very expensive decision to make
and our expensive decision is going to directly impact the lives of all these folks here. So I think everybody needs for the most part needs to be in agreement. So with that I I I'd be inclined to support a continuence and get some more clarity from staff um on the bigger picture of this interchange.
>> Okay. So, and and I agree with I think continuous is the best thing to do at this point, but I want to go over some points. Um, one of the things I think it's going to this project would slow down anyway because as you heard the civil engineer say, changing from two lanes to four lanes to
six lanes is going to arterial status. >> So, I can guarantee you if you saw 250 emails coming, you're going to see a lot more resistance coming through. They're going to be in court anyway. my opinion when you look at let me continue when I look at >> a question >> no I want to continue first um when I
look at um the planners they should be involved with this directly to see if we are in that situation are we going against the comp plan as transportation you're not going to know that you're not going to know that we need an expert to know and and that probably would have
slowed this thing down worthy discussion from the building price and I frankly don't like the the way it's listed as preferred as far as the alternative. I think it's a very very bad way to go. You could say suggested latest proposed something like
that, but preferred is the wrong language to use. It sends the wrong message because it's preferred by who? When I look at 191 millions to 142 million. We just went through uh Ridge Road, long project, 23 years to go
through the process. A lot of things happen in that. Uh even CSX, the latest $225 million building a solid bridge as opposed to the bridge we're going to go build. That road project, the final phase is the most expensive phase. It should have been the cheapest. I don't know how we're paying for that. Never
mind how we're going to pay for this. So to go spend a hundred of let's say $50 million extra on the case that maybe the turnpike authority who has not been our best friend and has not been the most easy to plan with every step of the way to let them go determine what's going to happen to this neighborhood if
something's going to happen is a tough change and something I didn't think about one lady mentioned about what with the way this whole area has changed it was brought up once before way back when commissioner Starky when we designated all the employment centers around the We
picked all the interchanges. This is one of them that was supposed to stay with commercial all the way in the corner. And then when this section here was brought in and we had all this development was going to come in, we need density. We need density. We density. I said we need jobs. And we brought the density in. Well, that residential part is really making this a
lot more dangerous to that south part of this whole complex. So that push getting that approved was a big detriment to this whole area my opinion and that's why I fought against it. Um, when I look at alternate A, it makes a lot of sense. If we have Amazon trucks that have now been approved to come in there, if we do
put the Amazon uh interchange in and Amazon, you get a driver that's driving and where do you think they're going to turn? If you get a path, back path, they're going to drive right up and right through these neighborhoods with these trucks and we've seen them. They come come everywhere. Um, they're just
going to find their easiest path. And those trucks are going to make it very dangerous for the community. You got those big trucks that don't make any sounds. Guess what? Some kid doesn't hear it, looks both ways, didn't see it. Bam. We don't we don't want to deal with that. When I look at talk about safe and walkable, this goes completely against
that. And here's something. We're talking about quality of life, right? That's what we try to do is make citizens quality of life better. We haven't even done the noise studies, the the sound barriers that we're going to probably need out there. Do you think we should see what those barriers need to be to protect these people from the
noise? Because noise pollution is a bad. It's a bad thing for quality of life. Um, so back to the turnpike authority, they should be at the table with you. If we're going to look a talk about a plan that's going to go somewhere six lanes anywhere and have an interchange, that should be factored in now. So when I do
my planning, I get it programmed ahead of time and at least the people that live there will know what's coming, just like a comprehensive plan, just like these master plans that they signed up for was supposed to be a a simple collector wrote. All that's got to be looked at. We're not ready for that.
um no costs available. You can't know the cost what they're going to be in in 15 years anyway, but you don't even know what the costs are now to go take and build the bridge. And frankly, it's $50 million more to get ready for what what you might use or might not. And frankly, if I got to go take $50 million, the
first thing I'd probably want to do is fix that gun interchange right there. And I'd want to go build the rest of Sunlake because that will immediately relieve traffic all the way through. Um, and we got to watch the density we're putting out everywhere. You keep on putting density, you're going to get more and more traffic. It's not going to
change. So, with all that said, I think we need to continue this thing. Get it to where you can do more research with Turnpike. You can get your numbers together. You can show us the map that shows clearly the six lane where it's going to be. So, when looking at a preferred alternative, we can see what it is. But clearly, we're not ready. And
I tell you, the people are engaged. I've never seen so many emails so quickly. That tells you that these people who are very intelligent, very smart, very caring about what they bought into, we're changing all that. And I think if we're going to do that, we need to do it through at least another public meeting with the people, but you need to do more
research, too, so that you can actually show them exactly what they're going to get. >> Commissioner. >> Yeah. Um, is there any way before we um if everyone as a like you know a board the board decides to continue it um you could get with FDOT to see where there
where they are with gun expanding gun? I I can ask but as I know right now they don't have any plans to improve it in the near future but I can re research that further >> and then maybe you know as a you know we
could just put maybe move it on our priority list you know for the MO. I don't know how you guys feel about that, but to make that connection, I mean, even if we don't >> even if they let's say it just is four
lanes with no no interchange, it would be nice to have that gun highway connection. >> So, Mr. Sty, >> um, can I speak to the Yeah. >> engineer and y'all? Um, >> on Gun Highway, it is a two-lane divided
now, right? Four-lane divided, >> correct? So, it is a four-lane divided. Um, is there a light at Lake Point? >> Yes. >> Signal at Lake Point? >> Yes. >> So, people who I mean, I drive this area all the time.
>> I'm at gun 54 all the time. Um, if if you're coming off the Sun Coast and and and going south on Gun because maybe you're heading to Lowe's. I don't know.
You're heading into Hillsboro County to go through that intersection. Otherwise, you're probably turning right or I mean the traffic or going through to go to Starky Boulevard, you'd stay on rangeand. So, I I know I saw that became
a problem with the interchange and without some other relievers, it could stack, but that how bad is it without the interchange? >> I think commissioner, I think that's a good point. the the traffic where where it's really a concern is a 2050 with the
interchange now under any any conditions that that intersection itself is already at a deficient level of service. The failing movement I believe is the the left turn is it southbound left turn onto state road 54. Is that the one that's so that's the what the the reason
that this is is basically this is not part of the study limits. So the improvements to this intersection we're not making an opinion. We're not saying that they're not warranted. That's definitely something that that is that could be benefit to the county independent of this project, but any any study has to have a beginning and an end limit because otherwise the domino
effect would take you all over the the county's roadway network. So the as when we evaluated it for traffic, we look beyond just the limits of the improvements that we're considering and we consider the effect on the whole network and that's that's when we identified that that left turn movement would need to be improved. It could just be one of those things where you'd have
to develop dual lefts in order to allow more cars to to make the same cycle. But that would be a separate uh separate consideration because the state would have to be directly involved in that consideration because they're saying their state >> left on Gun Highway onto State Road 54.
Is that what you're saying? Heading >> east on 54. >> I believe it's the southbound uh it would have been southbound to to uh eastbound movement. Our traffic engineer who did the traffic studies started to come up before but we did he didn't get a chance. So can you explain this?
>> State your name. Yeah, my name is Fat Abdullah. I'm a traffic engineer with KCA. Yeah, gun highway is near capacity now and even with the no build alternative, it will uh turn into level of service if which is a failing level of service. So, gun highway need to be
gun highway intersection with 54 need to be fixed regardless of the project. Of course, our project will bring more traffic to Gun Highway at 54 and and it's not only the project, the development in the area will bring more traffic to those intersections and gun highway intersection is one of the
busiest intersection in the area there. >> Okay. And and um which so I was having a trouble understanding which way he was saying is the stacking problem now. >> Yeah. If I can look at the for example the no build alternative level of surface analysis there which is the
capacity analysis at the intersection I see the eastbound is is having significant delays over >> eastbound through >> eastbound uh through >> eastbound on 54. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Alternate road there wouldn't be as many
people on there >> at gun and 54. >> If we have what? Sorry. >> If we had rangeand there would be less traffic on 54. >> Yes. Yes. Yeah. On the Yeah. On the build alternative. Yes. Yes. >> That that is correct. So for example, that specific movement I just mentioned,
>> it goes from one 140 second delay to 120 second delay. So we have less congestion when we add the rangeand. >> Okay. >> But it it does relieve some traffic on 54. >> Okay. That So um then and then we have
the light at Lake Point. So, I'm I'm thinking of traffic coming back at the end of the day. Um, they can come down Lake Point and turn right on 54 and not and go through gun, not turn on Gun, not Stash on Gun. They
can come down Lake Point. They can come down Cattle Gap, >> wherever this next road is that comes between Lake Point and Cattle Gap. Um, so there's a lot of ways to get to 54 besides gun 54. That's kind of what I'm
seeing. >> You can see that in the traffic analysis numbers as you go along Rangeland Boulevard away from the Sun Coast in the alternatives that we looked at with an interchange that you see that the traffic drops off as you go past all those other side roads. So there there
is there would be there would be traffic that could take any of those and and it's modeled that way. So u but the condition that that is currently existing where there isn't enough capacity at gun highway is is that intersection alone would would still need to be considered for improvements
because even under the no bill condition that that's still a traffic issue. >> Well I I'm a little frustrated that we're letting we just had Lowe's come in and um those businesses on the upper corners if we knew we were running into
trouble there. Why did we not take that into account before we approved those site plans if we need if we needed something? So that's shame on us there. I mean is one one of our departments not talking to the other if we needed to put in another lane. Is that what No, uh
Terry because like you said planners. >> Yeah. >> Victoria's planning development economic growth. The question on Lowe's was that it was a Uklitian resoning at that time. So there were it was not possible to
uh mandate some kind of condition on them to fix something. >> Is that a rule that we have ourselves with Uklinian? Is that something we need to fix? >> You can't you can't condition a Uklitia a straight reszoning is what Terry is
saying. But the planite >> the site plan should have required it. And I believe >> they they did build >> they did they dedicated right of way when that Lowe's came in along highway. >> They they built the >> talk about the north side >> the right turn lanes on the southbound
side. >> There's there's dedicated >> there's a dedicated turn lane coming eastbound on 54 and there's also southbound gun a dedicated turn lane. >> Okay. So, so we don't need an improvements at gun >> in 54. >> Well, to get from level service F to a
better level service, yeah, you need to make some improvements. Now, we have to look into where those improvements have to go to be the most efficient uh operation. Um, FI just mentioned that it's the south to east movement that's
failing. Uh, however, >> but rangeand would help that. >> Yes. And so yeah, that so uh and that's what I said earlier this morning that between the no build and the built alternative A which is what we actually
recommending here aside the future six lanes between South Branch and uh the roundabout. The difference in level of service at that particular intersection is minimal between no built and alternative A. We have no major impacts
on that intersection with alternative A. Now when we build the interchange then yes that will have to be addressed and we will have to have major improvements. >> Okay >> so that's number one. Number two today we are not asking you to approve the
interchange >> or the widening of Rangeland Boulevard to six lanes. So the discussions about amending the comprehensive plan and all those are for a future action. >> Okay. Today we are asking you to approve the fourlaning of Rangeland Boulevard as
proposed in the preferred alternative. >> All right. And the um and if we if so right now we're just reserving land. We're being we're being prudent and fiscally minded by reserving land in case it's needed. We may never need it.
That's what we did on Trouble Creek. If you look at at Starky Boulevard and uh River Riveridge Boulevard and it extends onto Trouble Creek, we have saved land in case we ever needed to widen it. I don't and then we need to have the
discussion if we're not going to widen it, but um to come back after we've built a road and try and buy land after the road's already built, that's not good use of taxpayers money. Um, and commissioner, what I wanted to say was if if six lanes is an arterial
road, it's not in the neighborhood. It's from the Sun Coast to the Roundup. >> That's not that's not in the neighborhood, >> please. >> So, uh, that's different than a six lane going through the N, >> but it goes goes from the Sun Coast to
the roundabout. Correct. >> Correct. >> It does not continue. >> You guys, you have to be quiet. Am I am I saying something wrong? Is it going from the I need the professional? >> Well, from South Branch, which is west of Sun Coast, >> the Sun Coast to the roundabout
>> from South Branch, the entrance to the preserve to the roundabout. Yes. >> And that's to get your turn lanes in. Get your turn lanes in to go >> on and off the ramp. >> Correct. Yes. >> All right. So, gun highway is gun and 54
is worse without rangeand and um the sixth lane is not in the community. It's from the Sun Coast to the roundabout. >> Who owns the property? >> Please, not from the audience.
>> So, I'm I'm comfortable with with moving forward. I think it's the prudent civic thing for us to do. This is a road for the whole county. It's important to the whole county. It's been planned forever and I think you guys have done a
a great job in calming traffic, making it safer for pedestrians. >> Commissioner Weman, >> I'm perplexed that the intersection of Gunam 54 is not part of the study. That was part of our conversation when we briefed a number of
months back. I know there's a be there's limits to the beginning and the end, but this intersection is is paramount. Um, if it's not being incorporated in the study, not overly I I I think it needs to be incorporated within the study
before we make make the the decision. Um, it needs to coincide with the decision of of what we do with this this project. So, I don't know what it takes to incorporate or merge the two studies or whoever is working on this, whoever
the expert is on this intersection and and tie it in with this project, but I I think that's prudent to happen. And I think we need to hear, you know, when we reconvene and talk about it that it's it's it's a clearer picture. Um, there's
been a lot of back and forth on this intersection. I felt some of the dialogue was a bit contradictory. Uh, I know because you guys are it's on the fly, but I'd like to see something a little more concrete. So, I again I'm I'm more comfortable with continuing it,
not for a long time. Next board meeting here on the west side maybe. Um, and and making sure that we have all the pieces of this project looked at, dissected more clearly. Um, and I mean, we're
talking 25 years, so what's a few more weeks, right? So I I I'm comfortable continuing for short period of time. >> Mr. Chairman, if I may, >> Mr. >> So the board is entitled to any information
they think is necessary to make a decision. I just want to point out that the study that is being proposed for your approval is a route study for the alignment of Rangeand Boulevard
>> and the ponds that would have to go with it. So it would not be it would not be something that you would have the intersection of 54 and gun as
part of that study. Now, they can bring you back that information to help you make the decision of the of the alignment or the capacity of rangeand. But the the analysis that we
need for condemnation, we need to go forward and build rangeand is the study that is being presented to you all. However, the problem with what we're looking at is the alternatives we've got, some of them are going to
accommodate for a six lane or an interchange, which we may not want to do. That's not factored in here. So, with that, this interchange I think is important to look at. And I also think that subject separate from this exact
study, but we got to go look at Sunlake and what the effects are going to be there and and put the cost analysis what it's going to be there because that's an immediate effect that doesn't even affect anybody. No one's there's no downtown. That road can be built like nothing. It's already there ready to go. So I think by looking at this, we should
be looking number one, let's go look at what was spent on a Ridge Road, right? Because we don't know. We've all been briefed and and guess what I was like say like say like say like say like say like say like say like say like say like say like where that money coming from and they're just ready to keep on going. They're ready to keep on going here. >> It's >> somebody better fix this. We better fix that at at gun. We better go look at
finishing Sun Lake and then go look at it. I don't think it can be done by the next board meeting. You've got I think they've got to take go put their cost numbers together. Once they put that together, then call for the meeting with the residents and then come back with a plan of what they're going to go do and at least be able to show us a map to
what what what we're literally proposing for all the alternatives that are going to come forward. And certainly we need to change the name of preferred to a alternative or something but not preferred. >> Mr. Chair, >> Commissioner Starky, >> I'd like to make a motion to approve the
uh staff's recommendation. I'm making a motion to approve what staff has recommended >> on the alternative A route study. >> The preferred alternative or alternative A. >> Yes. The >> which one?
>> Preferred alternative A. >> I'll second that. >> Thank you. >> Any further discussion? >> I'm just going to say I think we should definitely continue it. Uh we need to spend the time to do the research. We don't have it. And to throw 50 more
million dollars when we may not even need it or want it. Um especially not looking at the other improvements, not even know what the financial costs are going to be to put the pen in place. >> I'll call for the vote. >> I'll make a motion to continue. >> Let me now mine will die, but that's okay.
Okay, we have to make decisions. So there was a move a motion to approve >> a >> alternative >> alternative preferred alternative a how >> preferred alternative is is what it's called alternative >> there's a motion to approve alternative
>> of the preferred alternative all in favor say I >> I >> any opposed >> nay. Notice 32 fails. >> All right now >> now motion to continue is appropriate. All right. So, I'll make a motion to
continue and also with the information from the gun highway reaching Rangeland and also um one other neighborhood meeting. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? All in favor say
I. >> I. Any opposed? >> Nay. >> Okay. Motion passes 32. Thank you. >> Okay. And I assume that's at the that's at the administrator's discretion when that is brought back. >> So the administrator is going to ask
some questions >> time frame. >> So on this continuence one um you know commissioner Mariano I hear what you're saying several months. What what exactly would the board like us to do? I've made notes on gun highway. I've made notes on
cost analysis. I've made notes on an additional community meeting um which we we certainly can do the the community meeting piece will will essentially be the same alternatives but you'll you'll have the information before you. So I I do need some clarification on your
>> I think it's your discretion >> when you put all the information together and you have the public meeting it's your discretion when you bring it back. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I have an idea that um part of this should come back with if
we're going to do part A, which does rangeand, which I think helps relieve 54 and possibly gun somewhat. I think that should be part of it. And then the second part should be, you know, as you
go forward to what you need to do at gun highway and and other areas. But you've got to realize that part A is going to help pitch four and gun highway at the beginning and then what you need to do after that.
>> And I I just have a comment that I encourage um my fellow teammates to come to the meeting, the next meeting for the road since it is so so you can talk to the residents and discuss all the options while we're there. >> It'll have to be one-on-one. You have sunshine you got to worry about.
>> No, I'm talking about the neighborhood meeting. >> I know. Yeah, but you can't all be there. You You can be You'd have to >> The commissioner is correct about sunshine, >> right? Obviously. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Can't do that. >> Okay. Items closed. Go to our public
hearings. >> First is P32. P32. We approve publication of the hearing of this matter in the February 4th, 2026 edition of the Tampa Bay Times, supplemented by certificate of um
mailings and site postings. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Victoria's playing development comic growth. Item P32 is PTE 26006. This is an ordinance amending the pastor county comprehensive plan uh providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to
the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 20 from con commercial to res 24 residential 24 dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 4.93 acres of real property located on Grand Via Boulevard approximately.3 mile east of the intersection of Caliente Boulevard and
Land of Lakes Boulevard and providing for additional text amendments as necessary servability and an effective date. This comes to you with a recommendation to continue the item to the April 21, 2026 Florida County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. or as soon thereafter as may be heard in Newport Richie.
>> Okay. Have a motion to continue P32. >> Move. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Okay. And P33 conor plan amendment. It says consent. We shall have to vote on it. Um,
>> there's a title title update that I need to make for this item. >> Okay. All right. So, P33. >> Yes. >> P33. We have previous proof of publication January 7th, 2026,
supplemented by certificates of mailings and site postings for the February 17th, 2026 board meeting where it was continued to today. Item P33 is PTE 260011.
Um this is uh and I'll read the change in title here because the agenda memo is different from what the title is on the agenda. So the correct title is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 12
changing from res 3 residential three dwelling units per gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 18.99 acres of real property located on the north side of state road 52 approximately 620 ft west of North Sun Lake Boulevard and
a text amendment creating sub area policy flu 7189 state 52 2 Heasley PD and a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9 adding sub area map 2-989 state 52 Heasley PD and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for
internal consistency providing for repealer serverability and an effective date. This comes to you with a recommendation to accept public comment and adopt the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and ordinance by roll call vote. >> Okay. Does anyone any questions for staff on this one?
>> Um Mr. Mr. Chairman, I just had a a a brief conversation with the applicant and um >> well with the attorney for the applicant um requesting that they be sure and have a connection to the west into the uh
elamp property that they can't there's no development to the west but certainly that can be an amenity for this neighborhood. Um they are connecting to the east to the commercial. Correct. And so she's she's agreed to that and so with that I'm fine with it.
>> Okay. >> Well, I'm going to talk about other things later. >> So as far as this this amendment here, we can deal with that when it comes to P40, >> right? >> That would be that would be appropriate for the MPD. >> Okay. All right. All right. So no other
questions for staff this time for public comment. Anyone for the public like to speak to item P33? >> Just for the record, it noted that on the agenda it made reference to it's an extraneous comment for a consent. So >> there is no consent agenda for
ordinance. What I'm saying? >> Yeah. Okay. All right. So um we need a motion to approve. >> We get a motion already. >> B3. We get a motion to approve. >> All right. I'll move to approve.
>> Not my favorite project. >> This on P33. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Second. Second. Okay. Now it's roll call vote. >> District one. Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi. >> District two. Commissioner Wakeman. I. District three. Commissioner Starky. >> I.
>> District four. Commissioner Joerger. Hi. >> District five. Chairman Marion. Hi. >> Show it passes. 50. P34. P34. We have proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times January 28th, 2026 for
the February 17th board of county commissioners meeting where it was continued to today. Item uh P34 PD 26004. This is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code,
amending section 802, tree preservation and replacement. Section 802.1 intent and purpose. Section 802.2 applicability, renaming section 802.3, tree removal to exemptions. Uh, creating section 802.4 tree canopy
standards. Section 802.5 tree removal. Section 802.6 problem trees. Section 802.7 tree replacement mitigation. Section 802.8 8 protection requirements. Section 802.9 trees of special significance appendix A definitions and other sections as
necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for servability inclusion into the land development code and an effective date. Uh there is a presentation uh for the board on this item which will be presented by uh Amanda Hill principal planner with the
planning services division. The recommendation here is to accept the public comment adopt the proposed land development code amendment and ordinance by roll call vote. Uh also R30 on the agenda was to be heard together with P34. Would the board want the presentation on the resolution first or on the land
development code amendments first? >> We need to adopt the ordinance first and then take up the resolution. >> Very good chair. >> Commissioner W. Thank you. U Mr. Goldstein this is what we discussed earlier. This
is not what we offer. >> So I think >> I think the commissioner's concern was whether the it was about the cap. Correct. >> Yeah. >> Whether that would adequately protect heritage trees. >> This is where we discussed this portion
that we discussed this morning. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Um and I have discussed your proposal with staff. Um I don't know if staff has prepared language to address it or not. Have you? >> Not directly. We were waiting further board discussion and direction on the
matter. >> Okay. Well, we'll have a presentation and then we'll get into >> Yeah, I can wait. After she does a presentation, we can discuss it some more. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Good afternoon, commissioners. Amanda Hill, Planned Development, Economic Growth. So, the purpose of this amendment is to
conduct a comprehensive update to section 802. As you know, uh, tree preservation and replacement of the LDC to enhance tree protection within the county as directed by the board. The adoption of these proposed amendments will set the effective date of the new contribution rates for the tree mitigation fund as approved by the
board. So during our public hearing on January 6th, the board directed staff to remove the previous references to the contribution rate in the land development code. These have since been removed and the contribution rates will be exclusively referenced in the resolution for the tree mitigation fund.
There is also a walk-on edit from staff for section 802.4B6 to close a potential loophole for eligibility for the preservation incentives. And before I continue, I was remiss in
not mentioning that the public comments were received after the agenda was published for today's meeting, and these have been sent over to the clerk's office for the file of record. Just noting it for the record. So, there are a couple other items that were discussed by the board at the
January 6th meeting and I'm going to run through those um in terms of the additional items for discussion and research as requested by the board. Uh staff was asked to further consider how the code might provide relief for commercial developments that are not
exempted from the canopy preservation requirements. So, commercial development seeking regulatory relief would be able to request an alternative standard in accordance with the existing provisions allowed by section 47.5 of the code. And these alternative standards would also
be applicable to non-commercial developments. Per the board's request, we looked at trees and storm water ponds and how the code speaks to that. So for ponds that are visible from the ride ofway, trees are required to be installed at a rate
of one shade tree per 50 linear feet. And in the case that they're not visible from the right of way, they are not required. To further address shade trees and nutrient pollution in canals language has been included in the amendment that further clarifies when palm trees may be
substituted when replacing shade trees. >> Can I ask a question? >> Mr. Starky, >> I just thought about this. So what kind of tree needs to be spaced 50 apart? Is it a tree with a certain size canopy or could >> be a shade tree? >> A shade tree.
>> But if it's not a shade tree with a canopy, then should they be closer? >> Potentially, but the code doesn't speak to that. It specifies one shade tree per 50 linear feet. >> Aren't we redoing the code right now? >> Yes, we are.
>> So, I'm wondering if we should restrict like that's I mean I I I see that for a live oak, but if you're putting in palm trees. >> Well, palm trees supposed to be three to one. So, I want to make sure that that's secure. But if we're putting in a cypress tree or what are those trees
that are Italian kind of they go straight up? >> Italian cypress. >> Italian cypress. Does that count? You put one every 50 feet. That would look really stupid. So, we need to put some kind of language that it has to do with the size of the canopy.
But I think they're saying that they wouldn't be classified as canopy trees, so they wouldn't qualify. But I'll let Patrick answer that question. >> And and aren't aren't palm trees three to one? Because you didn't say that in your statement
right there. The rate is three palm trees grouped together from one shape. Yeah. But I think we need to be care careful. Maybe you have a definition of a shape tree versus a tree. So, uh, you you rais a fair point.
Um, so right now our code, no this is 802. Um, 9052 landscaping buffering talks, I'm sorry, Patrick Dutter, development review first. Um, 9052 talks about new development and what you need to do for new development. That's where it talks about the rate of trees along
the pond. Right now, you're correct. It vaguely just says trees. It's not specific. Now, we are going to have hopefully code adjustment language to you soon to propose requiring street trees in residential subdivisions along with some additional tweaks and changes we're going to be making. I'll include
that with the 9052 changes to be specific about I was already planning on making tweaks to the pond trees because right now it's one per 50 linear feet, but it really it should allow some variety so you're not planting one every 50 ft. That's going to look a little odd. >> So, to allow them to group them to make
it look a little more natural. Um, that's going to be a part of our adjustments that I'm going to be bringing to you hopefully in a few months for the 952 changes. >> 50, the right spacing. >> Uh, when I bring that uh change from 9052 to you hopefully in a few months, we can further discuss if if we want
something a little bit different than 1 to 50 >> because often times it ends up being one. >> I'm sorry. >> And it can end up being one >> Italian cypress tree. >> If you want to give me a suggestion now, I I can
So, so the section we are amending is preservation and replacement. Correct. The commissioner is talking about the landscaping section >> which is 90. Correct. >> We'll talk about that when we change that I guess. >> Yes. >> And maybe staff needs to do a little research to see what Sarasota
>> We'll do that >> you know and other counties. >> Absolutely. >> All righty. So um the board asked for additional details regarding the age of mature uh heritage trees. So live oaks and southern magnolia commonly live in
excess of 100 years and this is one of the reasons why those species were selected as heritage trees because of their long-term resilience. The board also requested staff to investigate current provisions for irrigation in the code. So section 905.4
Four includes a description of the types of systems, system specifications, a requirement for design and installation to meet Florida Irrigation Society standards unless superseded by the code, a requirement to submit an irrigation site plan at the time that the construction plan is submitted or
building permit if the site development has been completed. And I also included here the applicability of that section of the code as well as some of the exemptions that are currently there. And those were all the changes that we have made to this section of the code per our previous discussion on January
6th. So, as previously mentioned, this item comes to you with a recommendation for approval. >> Okay. Any questions for staff? Does the public want to come forward to speak on this item? We're going to hear we're going to hear the next item after it, but >> we'll come back to it.
>> We have three signed up for this. >> Okay. Julia Partic Julia Bartunic 2645 Meadowwood Drive, Florida New Florida. Um, first I'd like to thank
Katherine for initiating uh this tree ordinance strengthening after the public outcry of Newport Corner's development adjacent to our river. Thank you to Pasco County Planning Amanda Hill and David Engel for their hard work to
include preservation and incentivization to preserve trees. Hopefully we will get more resiliently sustainable projects. Firstly, we do not want minor rural subdivisions to be exempt from canopy preservation standards. Due to state
preeemptions and exemption loopholes in what is a stronger ordinance than we had before, we are requesting an increase to 30% canopy preservation, similar to Elatchua County. This can be amended
right here today. Due to the fact that the state preeemption exemptions weakened the 20% canopy preservation standards, we need to increase that to 30%. We also wanted this statement under
bonafide a land section. Tree removal under this exemption shall be limited to the minimum extent necessary for active agricultural production and shall not include clearing conducted primarily in
anticipation of development of land speculation or all of this. Tree removal under bonafide agricultural exemption shall only be permitted when the property owner demonstrates active agricultural
use of the land. Documentation shall include at least one of the following current agricultural classification pursuant to section 193 461 Florida statutes. The county administrator or
designate may deny use of this exemption if evidence indicate the property is not actively engaged in legitimate agricultural production. Yes, in the ordinance there is a 5-year hold until developments permitted on a land, but
that length of time is a blink of an eye for an investor. Thank you so much. I would like to submit uh this for public record, please. um with the change.org petition for 30% canopy preservation. Thank you.
>> Move to receive file. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Who's next? >> Nancy Hazelwood. Since you said my name, can I just say 34110110? A nice place. >> You know where you are?
>> We should get you a name tag. >> Yeah. Okay. Hello y'all from the northeast rural area. I know staff has been working diligently on the tree ornaments. Thank you for your time and dedication
staff. Uh and I heard that you got a lot of communication on this tree ordinance. We all are involved. Uh this is an important subject and there's a lot of pens up here and um the
people of Pasco have been upset with all the clear cutting across the county. I was surprised that the county didn't set up meetings for non-stakeholder citizens. Um, one for each district would have been great. So, we had input
right at the beginning to help write the ordinance. We used to do things like that. Mr. Mariana, you remember? Yeah. On the topic of saving 20% of the trees, this means to me that the commission is willing to let go of 70 or
80% of the trees in Pasco County. The trees in Pasco County are our natural resources and our water supply. And here's a question. Can a child live with only 20 or 30% of his body? I don't
think the trees can either. So, um, you can't expect our natural resources to survive what is needed, the flooding and our water resources. So, let's move on to exemptions. The
minor rule subdivision is a problem. These are exemptions that will impact immense areas of the county. And here's um an ordinance that says that we can get along with destroying up to
100% of our natural resources since you're exempting them. Remember that this is all tied together. Commercial exemptions are also a problem. 5 acres or less, all the trees cut. And I understand that you've got uh
a uh landscaping ordinance, but I'm not seeing that as being much of a help with hot asphalt in in areas. So, we don't want to make more asphalt parking lots with no trees in them. If
you could somehow make sure that they do a bit better. So why can't Pasco craft laws on the impact of growth and development is having on our county? So we we the non-stakeholders have more water and
natural resources like what's what's that development going to do to the natural resources around it? What's the commercial going to do in natural resources around? Do you already have enough of that? There is what I'm asking. Thank you all for your
attention. >> Christy Zimmer. >> Good afternoon. Christy Zimmer, 3615 Pine Cone Court, Little Lakes. Thank you for finally doing something about getting a tree ordinance in place. However, it's not enough. It really
isn't. When we're looking at when I did the math and I did it real basic so I could get my head around it. If I have a piece of property and I have 40 trees on it and they're all 10 in each and I have to save 20% of those trees, that's only eight trees out of 40. That's not
enough. That's not enough. Where is our oxygen going to come from from our children? If you haven't seen the movie Wall-E, you need to take some time and watch that movie. It's very real. And today's decision will impact the future of our children big time.
Um, you can't let the minor rule subdivisions be exempt. That'll be taken advantage of by the developers and you know it. Let me tell you a little story about the old old oak trees. My tech, your lovely steel plant down in Zephr Hills, pulled out a one of the really
old oak trees. I was told by the neighbors that it was over a hundred years old. And when they did, they hit a spring. And when they hit that spring, the water started flowing and it was beautiful and crystal clear. and they sent me lots of pictures. They then had to dig canals in three more retention
ponds, which were not part of their permit to contain the water until they could get the big boulders to drop into the hole to slow down the water. Well, Pasco County doesn't do a whole lot when it comes to code enforcement. I'm not
real impressed with the problems that we've seen, but I went ahead and called Swift Mud and I filed a report and they said, "Yeah, that's a problem." Then I get a call the very next day from a code officer in Zepper Hills asking me do I have a problem? Yeah. Well, I might
what? And he said with the steel mill plant and I said yes. So I told him the story and he said well yeah that is a problem. And Swift Mud told me they were not permitted for three retention ponds. So they had to go back and fill them in. What happened to them? Absolutely
nothing. They didn't even get a slap on the hand. They got $6 million worth of tax abatements as an incentive. Nobody has done anything about this tree and the damage that it's caused and what
they've done to impact that hole with the aquafer. Think about what you're doing. Please protect these old old trees. Don't let them pull them out as part of this. Let the old old oak trees be part of the exempt that they can't touch. Let's do that. we have to find a
way to control this development. And well, we say all the time they they're allowed to do what they want with their land. Here's an opportunity for you to put some tight restrictions on these developers to slow this mess down. Let's not make it 20%, let's make it 30, 40,
50% of the trees have to remain. I did a development in Odessa. It was a 100 acre track of land. I could have had 47 homes in there. It had 40% wetlands. I only built 17 home sites. Good development can be done. Let's focus on that. Please
save our trees. >> That's all who have signed up in advance. >> Okay. Anyone else in the audience like to speak to this item? Come forward, please. Anyone else? Please line up behind her. >> Hi, my name is Kathy Julian.
Oh my gosh, I never have my ringer on. I live Where do I live? 10232 Worthy Lamb Wagne Port Richie. Um, in 2022, the county created the Swopee MPUD on the south side of State Road 52
between Aaron Cutoff and Bellamy Brothers Boulevard. The MPUD has approved maximum zoning entitlements for up to 953 single family homes, 119 town homes, 60 600 apartment units, and 120,000 ft of commercial on
approximately 493 acres. The buildout complete year noted in the approval was 2030. In 2024, the county created the Kokus West MPU, which is on the west boundary of the swope. This MPUD has a maximum zoning
entitlements for up to 155 single family homes, 67 town homes and six 168,000 square feet of support commercial and 120,000 ft of corporate business park target industry light industry and associated infrastructure. In late 20 in late February of this year, the
developer Lenar submitted a mass grading site for part of this project with within the Kokalakus West MPUD which will clear some areas and add various storm water systems such as a pond in anticipation of future building. This includes the removal of 245 trees
totaling 37,583 caliber in. The project requires 15,821 caliber inches of replacement trees. Um, because the site cannot accommodate all the replacement trees, a fee of $111,000 was calculated. Where do these funds go?
How do where do we replant these tri trees? How does the public understand what's going on? Because all we see is I drive down 52 all the time and all I see is the beautiful areas that used to be there no longer are beautiful. their ugly mud and they all have campaign not campaign they all have uh developer
signs on them that correlate with uh elected officials campaigns. Um where where are we re planting these trees? We're not or are we how does the public find out? When I've asked for how many houses have been approved to be built,
nobody can give me that number. Do we have these this data? I can't believe we don't. >> We don't answer during this time. >> No, I get it. But just stay tuned. >> Hello, my name is Jose Alejandro Freightes. I live on 1822 Cypress Bay
Parkway, Lando Lakes, Florida. Good afternoon, and I would just like to preface to say thank you to all of Pasco County for all that you guys do. Uh, and thank you for the opportunity and the time to speak with you all today. I'm a 20-year-old Pasco County native. I've lived in the same house on the same
street in the same neighborhood for the majority of those 20 years. I remember my friends and I would run around the outside. We would fish, play baseball, play football in the street, and when it got so hot in the summer, we would go into the forest and build forts shading
us from the sun. We were outdoor kids. I still am. But those times are changing as I see the same trees being cut down for development. The once green, luscious scenery of a variety of flora has been reduced to a measly new shopping centers, parking lots, and some mediocre
fast food chains. Trees are a net positive as they reduce carbon emissions, reduce damage from natural disasters, and provide shading. Climate change is a real and existential threat, not to not only to our community of Pasco County, but to the planet. As
each year gets progressively hotter, breaking records, storms become stronger, costlier, and more dangerous. And Lord knows that the current big weeks in the administration up in Washington don't give a single rule about us. They don't care if the hurricanes get stronger or if it gets
harder and we ain't got no shade. But you can. You commissioners can care. As our local government officials, it is your duty to bring progress and prosperity to our community. As land is needed for development and community, development can be seen as a prosperous
net positive. I challenge and ask you, how positive can it truly be if what we leave future generations are plots of developed real estate with no sustainable way for life to continue prosperously. Deforestation will lead to worse conditions, stronger storm
consequences, and heavier expenses. No one will want to live here anymore. That is not the future that I want for my future kids or any generation to come. So I plead, I beg and I beseech you to vote to strengthen the ordinance. Help
preserve our trees and in doing so you will be preserving future generations. Thank you. Good afternoon commissioners. My name is Andrew Smith. I >> You can lift that up. >> Excuse me. Good afternoon commissioners. My name is Andrew Smith. I live at 7066
Columns Lane and I am also chairman for Pasco Hernando Democratic Socialist of America and I come out here to speak in support of this ordinance. Being a fifth generation Floridaian from Leburg, I have seen the damage that uh instances like the villages can do to where it
becomes uninhabitable to the people who live there and unrecognizable to the people who have grown up there. my mind, Florida is a tourist state because it has a natural beauty to it that cannot be replicated. Fauna and flora that is unn matched by almost half the world
alone. To me, you as county commissioners have the power to be able to control the development in a a manner that makes it accessible and livable for the citizens that live here. I hear from the past ordinances about the Beexley uh expansion and so forth that that is a
prime uh commitment. So I beseech y'all in the same manner as my peers and so on before me that the manner of keeping it a natural livable land for all of us that live here to make sure that it is maintains its natural beauty instead of looking at the business dolls that come
with it. With that I want to leave y'all with a quick question of when you vote think about what type of color grain really matters to y'all and I resend my time. Hi, my name is Linda Blake. I live at 5743 Illinois Avenue in beautiful downtown
Newport Richie. And I just want to thank you all for even the idea of having a tree ordinance. I really praise you all for that. And we've got a problem. The population is growing. People want to move here. How do we preserve
nature in Pasco County? It is a difficult problem and it's going to take a lot of creativity. Now, this is a Tuesday in the middle of the day and most people are so busy that they don't have time to be here. In fact, we had probably a dozen people that were here
that had to go. They had to get back to work. They had appointments to go to. They were wearing green. You might have seen them and they had to leave. I have talked to people that are Republicans, Democrats. I know a lot of people in
Pasco County. I've lived here for a really long time, for decades. Nobody is happy to see the forests bulldozed. It's a difficult problem. How do we build houses and still preserve nature? So, you know, if this were a
Saturday, this room would be packed. There would be an overflow crowd in the lobby. We all want to see a lack of pavement, a lack of the buildup of heat. It doesn't matter what
party you're in. It doesn't matter if you're a socialist, a liberal, a conservative. This is a problem that needs to be solved. And I'm hoping that you've heard really listen to the people here and that you can put your thinking caps on and talk to people who have done
it, who have created communities that are sustainable. It can be done. It can be done. But it takes research. It takes creativity to do so. And I know that you folks elected to this incredible
opportunity to lead in this county can do that. I know that you can be creative. I know that you can do research and I know you can solve this problem in a way that makes this county as beautiful as it has always been.
Thank you so much. Good afternoon. My name is Maryanne Bishop, 22843 Hail Road, Land of Lakes. Um, thank you for this uh tree ordinance. Uh, thank you, Commissioner Starky, for seeming to care about trees as much as or close to as much as I do.
Thank you, Commissioner Mariano, for mentioning that maybe we wouldn't have so many problems with the roads that I was listening to if we didn't approve so much development. Um, ironically coming in and hearing about the beex develment this morning Io we hosted at Rosebud Continuum in Land of Lakes um more than
50 uh first grade students to come out and teach them about plants and trees and the importance of them. And to see the expression and how happy they were and how much fun they had just learning about trees really hits home the fact that we're taking down way too much in
the way of trees. Um, I don't have a like completely I just put pulled some things out because I h didn't know if I was going to make it on time here today, but I wanted to say on the old oaks that y'all are talking about that that's a keystone species. Uh, a old oak supports more life forms than any other North
American tree. It's terrible to think about taking down these old oaks. Um, os also provide carbon sequestration and storage, air quality, erosion control, transpiration, and cooling. Um it says a single ornamental tree is better than nothing but one tree supports a fraction
of the species that a layered canopy does. This is the problem that I have with that one tree here there and the other. Trees do communicate. They do have they are their own they they communicate with each other. They are their own envi they their own environment. I can't think of the word
neighborhood. They work together. They work much better together than they do separately. So, it's not a great idea to tear it all down and then plant these trees back. Um, the easy the fix is the easiest to do is to keep what you have. A mature oak or maple already supports
hundreds of insect species, which means food for dozens of bird species. Removing a healthy tree erases decades of habitat in one afternoon. These are things that we need to think about. Um the other thing um just another fact is
old growth and young forest play crucial roles in carbon storage. Older trees store large amounts of carbon while young fast growing trees absorb CO2 quickly. Planting new trees and maintaining existing forests are equally important. New trees help restore degraded land while established forest
maximize carbon storage and um sustain biodiversity. Um, and just like there's a very important micro forest. That's what I was talking about that micro forests do so much more than individual trees. If you you can take down a hundred trees in a forest situation and
replant 100 trees every 50 ft and there is no comparison to the value of those two systems. The micro forests are so much more beneficial. We really need to think about that when we're talking about these developments and how we're allowing them to take it down. Now, I am
somebody who puts my money where my mouth is. I have the 19 acres and to some of you, I think that we're here, C. Uh, Commissioner Starky and Jack Mariana, you were both part of it. Um, I just want to say from a a language from a native, we don't have to heal the
earth. She can heal herself. All we have to do is stop making her sick. Thank you very much for your time. >> Hi, Jasmine Forkin. I live in Clear Water, 100 He Road, unit 203. I also
have 10 acres in Pasco in um Hudson 14191 Family Trail. Uh when I purchased these uh 10 acres um uh almost 30 years ago, I u saw this sign on the road and this is
the place where I wanted to live after I retired. However, this sign doesn't really mean anything anymore. There is no more open spaces or vibrant vibrant spaces places. It's all being developed
and it's being developed in such a hurry and in such a manner that um is um it's safe to um see tracks of land on left and right of
Hudson Avenue totally bulldozed over. Not a tree left. Um, all you can see is signs uh for sale, sold, or already being developed. Um, I don't know if I would buy this land today after seeing
what's going on. Um, mature trees are treated like garbage. They've been burned instead of treated like resources. Uh, everything she said about mature trees, I was going to say, but
um, she already did that. Um, they cut the trees. They pay nothing, almost nothing to do that. Uh, when I first bought my land, I had to build a small barn and I had to pay for each tree that was bigger than what was required. Now
they burning these trees. They don't even use them to mulch. And uh if I don't know how they got these um permits to burn the trees um that could have been used for something even if it even
if they were burned for energy like we burned garbage it would be something not just burn them for to eliminate them. There is not a tree left on my way from Cleora to my gate in Hudson. They are
all gone and they're replacing them with these ornamental trees that will not sustain any life or be viable to humans for cleaning the air or anything at least in
20 years. Um, left and right on Hudson Avenue, every morning I come out, there is another um parcel gone. uh animals have no place to live anymore. The sand hill cranes are
protected. You're not supposed to feed them. There's all kinds of laws about that. However, they have no place left to go. They cross the roads where people are driving 70 miles per hour. Um they
end up on the roads as road kills. And I just don't know um how um are we going to leave this area to our kids and grandkids? I have more but my thumbs up.
Thank you for improving this ordinance. Anyone else in the audience here to speak to this item? Anyone online? >> No, sir. >> Okay. This to the board. Um, Mr. Chuck,
>> um, question on the commercial that she brought up. What are our rules? >> What What are the What are the our rules on a commercial 5 acre? >> Uh, commercial developments 5 acres unless would be exempt under the currently proposed ordinance.
>> Exempt from what? >> From having to maintain the 20% of existing tree canopy inches. >> Okay. But they do have to replant. >> They would have to meet the requirements of the landscaping code. >> Okay. Um, can you show that picture I sent you, Gina?
>> Cuz to me, this is just absolutely horrifying. And I This is what I see all over the county. Um, our brand new Ashley furniture. I mean, how how that's okay
is just mindboggling to me. Um >> yeah, >> uh Patrick Der development review. Um so yes, I think we've had conversations on this site before in the past. Um this plan was actually approved, so we updated the land development code in um
2022 to add some enhanced buffering requirements. This plan was approved prior to that time. So they were following our old code. again probably didn't add as much landscaping as they probably should have, but they were technically following the code at the
time. In 2022, we updated the land development code to ask for um you know what we struggle with here are the overhead power lines. Um whenever there are overhead power lines, our land development code says that they're allowed to install understory trees. Um unfortunately, they uh chose crepe
myrtle here. Uh we do have, like I said, part of that other update that I was planning on doing was to tweak what we're defining as understory trees. Um also tweaking what we call um shade trees because there are some shade trees that people are using as loopholes, like as an example, a Japanese blueberry
tree. Um it could theoretically grow into a shade tree, but that's not what most people grow them into. So we're trying to clean that up. >> Yeah. Um so so where are the parking lot trees? Never there's per do we don't we require
perimeter trees and trees in the parking lot. >> Yeah, just from what I can tell they chose to do the three palm. So the the parking stalls along the frontage they were did three palms instead of a shade tree and on the side um they again I can't see on the other side of the the picture but there are trees on the other
side but they chose to do the three palms there. >> Okay. So, I'm thinking what needs to happen is if the if if there's power lines in the way, they've got to put the edge of their pavement further away from the power line so that they can plant a shade tree. >> They shouldn't be able to go all the way
up to the power line and then say, "Oh, well, I can't plant a tree now because they're be under the power lines." Well, go 5t 10t back at least every so often so that we get something. But that's a great excuse to say we're just going to build right up to the power line. I
agree and it frustrates myself as well. Um, part of my changes that are becoming hopefully in a few months will incorporate something that should hopefully address this is this issue for the the board to review. >> All right. Um Um
and to you know I think I think 20% saving 20% is a lot better than what we did before. We were saving zero, right? Um, but it's not it's not that you only have to save 20% of your canopy and that's all that's going to be there. We do have requirements where they have to
put trees back in. Um, but in Florida in development, you have to bring in fill and um, if you fill around the trees, they're going to die. So, uh, that's that's why we were trying to
strike a balance between saving some of the important trees that are on the property and then they would would replant. So, um, and and we've had a tree ordinance for a long time. I helped write it when I was on court. Gosh,
before I was ever school board, remember? When's that in the '9s? We've just never updated like I don't know why we waited so long. Just like the neighborhood parks, we got to revisit that. Um, and we do have a tree mitigation trust fund. We set that up
when we did that. Steve Booth's here, you were on Cork when we did the tree ordinance, Steve. Uh, we have a tree and we set up a tree mitigation trust fund. We have that here in the county and we are quickly um putting trees back into
the community. You will soon see a bunch of trees come up Little Road in the medians. Um, if you drive around this campus, I've got them putting trees back in the parking lots here where um, they've neglected it since I've for 20 years. Um, look at the courthouse and
look at the new trees. Drive behind uh, the county building and you'll What kind of trees did you guys put there? Who who remembers the name of those? Was it great? >> No. >> Jackaranda. Jackaranda trees, ma'am. >> Jackarandas, which are absolutely beautiful with the the color flowers.
So, um, we are putting trees back into the community and that's where the tree mitigation trust fund money goes. >> Commissioner, Commissioner Jagger, >> thank you. So this is I think this is one of the
most consequential votes just like we discussed with parks at our workshop but the vote today is I think one of the most consequential votes that we'll take and it'll be the generations afterwards that will see the benefit of what we're
beginning to do here today. Um I don't know if you guys have which we'll discuss it later in my commissioner it was house bill um what was it 399 David what was the number 399 was that number >> yes it's 399
>> so this this bill can help curve the challenges that are looming down which we'll get into that separately later with development with house bill 399 and so I've I've gone back and forth with
this cap the no cap for Upland acre cap for Upland acre um for what folks for what the the building community wants to spend or not spend. The the goal here
is to save the heritage trees. And so I'm not sure who mentioned the Cocoalactis. I think Miss Zimmer or Mr. Julian mentions the Kokalakis property, but we pulled that we pulled the property on 52 since in district 2. 687
live oaks taken off of that site. >> 10 there's 101 live oak 10 in the smallest 10 in 101 live oaks at 10 in started there and goes all the way up to 57 in.
>> Are you saying they already cleared it? >> That's what's going to be on the >> what they do with the Kogan grass. So that's just live oaks of 687 live oaks and the replacement of for 222 residential units at 500 bucks a unit.
That's how it came out to the 111,000. You know, the goal here is to save the heritage trees, the legacy trees around our county, having them put into flood planes and storm water ponds, that's just Russian roulette. Hurricane comes
through, they're going to drown and die. And so trying to balance the idea depending on the board and how we land on something because I think a vote is important today. If there is a cap on the price per acre to
develop, I would like to see an exemption for the heritage trees separate from the cap. So if you have a heritage oak tree and you want to take it out, that's a completely separate dollar amount. That's a completely separate piece of this ordinance because
the goal is to save our heritage trees and replant replant the other trees. And so I think we need to define if there if the board does want to go with cap define what's in the cap and what should be excluded from the cap.
And I think the heritage tree should be excluded from the cap from from from the cap. And I don't know how we do it if it's a a per inch or or whatnot, but we really the goal is to encourage a better type of development in this county. And
to those who say don't for the minor rule subdivision piece, I'm going to be on the opposite side of the fence on this idea. And here's why. I think minor rule subdivisions should be exempt from the tree ordinance for this reason.
Land is very, very expensive. It's now a luxury item. And so whoever is going to want to live, which we want to encourage that type of development, we want to encourage minor rural subdivision. We led the charge to revamp those development rules to try to encourage and make that lifestyle easier to get to
in our county. And so if we exempt that exempt the minor rural subdivisions, it can help someone possibly afford that piece of land, 1, two, 5, 10 acres, whatever. because after they buy that piece of land in the minor rule subdivision, they're likely going to
have a custom or semi-custom home built. And in today's market, there's some real estate folks out there, you're looking at a million dollars or more to live that lifestyle in our county, especially in the northeast rural area. So, if we start compounding the cost of trees and
someone who wants to live that rural lifestyle, it's a bit of a gamble, but the likelihood of them saving their trees and just clearing where they want to want to put their house is probably more accurate. But if we take the cost of living the rural lifestyle and compound it, that could potentially discourage
it. And that's something that I certainly don't want to see happening. So, I that's why I think that excluding the minor rural subdivisions is important. I know it's a bit controversial, but I think we're all on the same kind of path here on the direction that we want to go with with
more rural living. But back to the heritage trees and exempting them from what would be considered in the cap. I'd like to get the board's have the board's discussion on it or open it up about the price per cap um and or the percentage because I'm open to having a broader
conversation on all those topics. >> Commissioner Jagger. Yeah. Um I had made notes from last time. You had red line items, correct? >> Uh can you clarify when you say red line >> certain certain trees or things like that? You had you had red line items in
the in the ordinance? >> So 802 has the red lines for all the things that were changing. Um are you speaking specifically in terms of the heritage trees or something else? >> No, I thought there was a list of different trees. Not to my recollection. No.
>> Okay. I just asked the staff because I had ma made notes just to make sure. >> The only trees that we specifically identified are the live oaks uh 34 in and greater in diameter and the southern magnolia's 24 in and greater in diameter. And those trees would have to
be in a condition rating of good or better for them to be considered heritage trees. >> Okay. >> At least that's what we're proposing. >> Mr. Chairman. >> Yes. >> Um, Miss Zimmer's presentation, she intended to pass out an item to the
board that speaks to the item that second >> Commissioner Wakeman brought up. Second, all in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you, >> uh, I haven't had Commissioner Oakley go yet. >> Okay, Commissioner Oakley. >> I'm just thinking about the heritage
tree. Is the heritage tree, of course, it's a magnolian and oak, but But is an oak that's 100 year old tree or more is it to be taken out or do we actually keep that tree? >> There isn't any specification in the definition for the age. It's only the
species, the size, and whether or not it's in the condition rating of good or better. >> Yeah, that just a little concern about taking out our older oak trees like that. But I mean there's a lot of property that's got a lot of heritage
trees and oak trees and bank notes that are very very important I think to our well-being in in this county and they've been there a long time but I'd like to see as many of those we could saved. Uh
I don't want to take a dollar. It's hard to put a amount of money on a heritage tree that's something that's been there for over our own age. you know, 100 two year old 200 year old trees. I I have a little problem with taking
those out to put in a few trees in. So, >> so ultimately for the heritage trees, they would be a a higher fee for the contribution rates. >> What would that pay be? >> Regular trees would be at $75 per inch once the tree is at least 10 inches and greater. And for the heritage street
would be at $150 per inch >> per inch diameter. >> Yes. Damn it. at breast height. >> That's double. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Mr. Start. >> Well, I was trying to follow what Commissioner was saying when he said he
wanted to exempt them. I didn't know which which way you were going with it. >> I think he means that if there's a cap, >> we'll save them. >> He means that if there's a cap on the amount of the contribution that any heritage trees would be on top of the cap. that is that if they paid
the cap amount that if they took out any heritage trees, they'd have to pay that on top of the cap amount. So, it would be the cap plus whatever they >> took out in heritage trees. >> It's to encourage keeping >> Yeah. Because you could take out 50 heritage trees.
>> Save them. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because otherwise otherwise I think his concern is that if they just paid the cap amount, they'd have a financial incentive to take out the heritage trees. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm good with that. Um I I do have a question and I know this may not be the appropriate
time but I did not know Kokalakus was cleared. I wanted someone in the county to ask answer me on who f how did we regulate their coven grass just just um >> the the the project it hasn't they
haven't started clearing yet but their application >> okay well I want to know what what's happened with the coven grass before they start >> um well I'm glad that we're charging a lot more for >> Yeah she is
Yep, I'm good. >> Commission wait. >> Anything else? >> So, I I did notice we did have double for the heritage trees. >> David Allen. >> Yeah, just uh couple of things real quick for um procedural. I I think we're
looking at the ordinance right now, which that's kind of the rules for the the the tree uh the tree protection piece. And I believe that um the cap that um Commissioner Weightman was talking about would be part of the second item that will be presented as
far as part of the resolution for both the use and applicability of the tree mitigation fund. >> Okay. >> And I have a presentation for that as well for the board. >> We got ahead of ourselves. >> Okay. >> Should we do the approval of this here first and do the other presentation? I
would prefer that you adopt the ordinance and then go on to the resolution. >> Okay. Very good. And I uh I do want to add I think you did a good job as far as looking at the ramifications financially that you put a good amount of work into that. So, thank you for that.
>> Um there you had passed out the sheet. I don't remember it being discussed. You wanted you want six added on. >> I could just reiterate. believe I might have briefly mentioned it, but essentially um the walk- on edit was
just to address some concerns that were recently raised that the section of the code that speaks to incentives could be potentially um used in a way that doesn't really reflect the intent of that section. So this section would be for persons who
have preserved at least 20% of the existing inches and then they would be subject to have an opportunity for additional credits against the amount that they would have otherwise owed to the tree mitigation fund. But that would require first that they save 20% of the
existing inches. So the change here uh for 802.4b6 4B6 is just to ensure that there isn't a loophole created where large land owners could potentially utilize this incentive but also have violations in terms of removing trees without the appropriate
approval or contribution to the tree mitigation fund. >> So I just wanted to make sure that if if the board makes a motion to approve the ordinance that it includes the this add-on of U >> 8024B6.
Mhm. >> Correct. >> No. Let me just ask one question. As far as trying to protect the large trees, etc. >> Are there going to be any provisions in there? Is there setting up their drainage? The drainage doesn't go around those trees and actually causes them to get wet and then topple over later on.
Is there is there something in the code that we do to protect them? >> We did consider that as part of the amendments to the section of the code. So for 802, give me a second. Let me just find the reference. 802.4
A 4C says for all sides subject to the provisions of section 802.4 of this code. A note shall be included on the plan said verifying that the proposed areas for tree canopy preservation are not within portions of the site subject to flooding resulting from elevation
changes caused by fill associated with site development. In circumstances where this is unavoidable, appropriate drainage shall be included in the design of storm water facilities for the site to mitigate flooding of the preserved areas. >> Okay, Mr. Wman. >> So I want Mr. Craw. So for example, this
station two in district 2 on 54 directly to the east there's a magnificent live oak. Before that station was built, tall tree. Now with that station built, with how much Phil's brought in, you're you're at the eye level at top of the
canopy. I think is Chief Quinn still here. We were we were admiring it when we went to the ribbon cutting for the groundbreaking of it getting constructed. That's an example of what we're talking about here. I figure I'd use a county facility is the right the right way. >> Yeah. We're where site development
considerations make it impractical. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I move approve. to approve with the noted addition. >> With the noted addition. Yes. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Any further discussion? >> Okay. Roll call vote.
>> District 1, Commissioner Oakley. >> I. >> District two, Commissioner Wakeman. Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Starky. >> I. >> District four, Commissioner Jagger. >> I. >> District five. Chairman Mariano. >> I. Okay. Motion passes 50. Now we go to uh
item R30. >> Well, that's why we're done. R30 file number PDE 26-00005 is a resolution amending resolution number 25-291 of the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners by the county by
the board of county commissioners sorry setting the rate for contributions to the tree mitigation fund the use of such funds and delegating authority to distribute such funds and repealer. So just for a brief history lesson here, uh the tree mitigation fund was originally established in 2001 with
amendments in 2005 and 2008 to update the contribution rates and further direct the administration of the fund. On July 15, 2025, resolution number 25-291 was approved by the board to increase the contribution rates as identified on this slide.
So, as I previously mentioned, uh, $75 per inch for all project types for trees classified as a heritage tree, a payment of $150 per inch. And I have here the definition for the heritage tree. And the resolution also revised the uses and administration of the tree mitigation
fund. At the January 6 BCC meeting, the board directed staff to remove the previously proposed cap for the contribution rate of $3,500 per upland developable acre. And this is reflected in the draft that's currently in today's agenda packet. Now, this board direction elicited several discussions and
comments from stakeholders, ranging from maintaining no cap to increasing the previous cap of $3500. And staff would like to bring to the board's attention that a cap would assist in providing stakeholders with a predictable cost for trees, which are essentially unable to be accommodated on
the site. So, as previously indicated, staff would like to have some additional direction from the board as to whether or not a cap would be appropriate for the resolution moving forward. Other than that change, uh we discussed on January 6th some changes to the
authorized expenditures in the resolution and for the most part, these have remained the same. There's one tiny change that staff has included here to further support other departments in meeting the the board's goal to increase the planting of trees in the county
using tree mitigation funds. So we just added the word installation. So you could see there under proposal for amended resolution reimbursement for the installation, irrigation, landscaping design, mulching and repairs associated with canopy trees or landscaping plants or and shrubs on county owned or
maintained property. So that's the only other change to authorize expenditures that we did from our discussion back in January. >> Okay. So let me just go over the reimbursement part of installation, irrigation, etc. Um for instance, the steps to recovery program. We try to get
them to save money so they can use the tree mitigation fund to actually do that other redevelopment stuff as well. So I don't know if the word should be reimbursement but once the work is done whether it be direct to the person who's getting the work done or the
person who just did the work that's where the reimbursement should happen it's better for the cash flow such as the nonprofit and it could be the housing authority or whatever it may be. So I don't know if you want to say the word reimbursement or once installation's done contract gets paid
or the person gets reimbursed but I think that option should be in there because you get some of these contracts will do the work and just get paid when the work is done. >> So I did want to clarify that this item specifically is related to uh
installations on county owned or maintained properties. >> Yeah, >> there's a separate item for public purpose. when we get the follow. So, let me wait for public purpose, >> but I'm going to be the same question. You can think about it. Mr. Sorry. >> Um,
you know, I was against this at first because I want the money to go to put the tree canopy back in the county, >> but if we're talking about and I'm fine with tree putting trees on back onto nonprofit property, but I'm not okay
with doing everything else on noncount owned property. We'll go we'll go through the the tree money. We won't be putting the trees back. So, um, but I I have a question here with expenditure shall not exceed 50% of the total funds.
The administrator and I had a conversation on this, but the next sentence is not what I thought we discussed. I thought it was per project, but you're saying expenditures shall not exceed 50% of the total funds used from
the tree mitigation fund for the purchase of canopy trees in the previous year. So, it's the whole year, not just per project. And is that purchased and installed or I I just that gives me angst as well
because my goal is to get trees back into the ground. Didn't we something that said what trees? >> Are you waiting for response for that? >> Commissioner, if I Oh, Mr. Engel's coming up. No, I was just going to whisper an amen. >> Oh, okay. Hi. Um, David Engel, planning
and economic development director. >> So, I just wanted to maybe clarify a couple of things. F. First of all, the public purpose I I wanted to be clear and transparent with the board >> that the board would have to deliberate on the use of funds for public purposes. The administrative discretion in the
ordinance through the county administrator is for county owned or maintained properties. So if if there was a nonprofit that had requested some reimbursement or some funding, we'd come back with the board with that initiative for a vote.
Is >> is this like what we're doing on 19 with um your grants where they're matching? >> Is that what you're speaking? >> No, no, that that's the commercial landscaping grant. >> Yeah, >> that's done administratively. We have board authorization. So,
>> what money are you using for that? Well, we use tree mitigation funds for that as a separate we we we're the funds are derived through the tree mitigation fund and every every when we deplete the amount of money, we go back to the county administrator. We show him what
we've done and then he replenishes the fund because we're spending it wisely >> and we're stopping putting crepe myrtles in. >> We don't we don't we don't um incentivize uh crepe myrtles. In fact, um we were talking with um our peers because we got together. We had public
works, parks, facilities, focusing on how we could expense the county owned property tree mitigation money. And one of the initiatives that came out of public works was they're going to pull the crepe myrtles out of the rightway and install better trees. >> Yes. I feel like we should be putting
shade trees in these in these grants, not >> I mean we need we need to put a can of back. >> We agree. >> We're going to heat up. Okay. Um, >> and commissioner, if I may real quickly on the second half of the question regarding the expenditures not exceeding
50%, I think an example would be if we spent a million dollars on tree canopy replacement last year, we would limit landscaping and other a per um other supporting greenery, whether it's irrigation, mulch, or anything like that, to 50% of what was spent last
year. So that would be capped at $500,000. And and the idea again is to focus the investment on canopy tree replacement as opposed to landscaping. >> Is that is that um on trees purchased or
trees purchased that planted? >> It's a good question. >> Yeah. >> Purchased and planted. That's >> I got to think which way is better for more trees in the ground. >> I don't vote. >> Yes. p purchased and planted would would keep the the dollars focused more on trees than
>> landscaping. Um I'm I'm willing to knock that 50% down a little bit if anyone else is >> 40% as a because I I wanted zero on that. >> What is that now? >> Well, I mean it's for I mean the
commercial businesses are paying full hill. This is for the county. I'm county property. >> Oh, county. We need to have the inmates doing this and have them start their own program. >> Spend more money. >> Well, I like I like >> you're going to spend more money. >> Spending more money on them anyway. >> They don't have the equipment or the tools. >> Two hands.
>> You're going to spend more money with a deputy watching them over. >> Put them to work. >> Well, >> we have a pilot chairman. >> Okay. So, it's it's purchased and planted then. >> Okay. And what is the other one you were
going to say? Public purpose. Where is where's that language? Cuz I'm not seeing >> that is already approved under resolution number 25-291. It's section 25. So I just mentioned it, but it's not something that >> was currently being proposed as a change.
>> Okay. I guess I missed that one. >> Okay. Do you need >> No, I want There's more questions coming. Okay. >> So any commission? >> No, I'm good on this section. Okay, Commissioner Oakley. >> No. >> Okay. All right. So, I want to get to back to more trees in the ground. How much do we have in the tree mitigation
fund right now? >> 10 million. >> Mr. Briox, look at that. >> Something like 10 million. >> A lot of money. >> I don't think it's that much. >> Mr. County administrator is pretty close in >> I would say 10 million give or take a
few. So give or take $10 million that we've taken from developers, we're sitting on that money instead of getting more trees in the ground. >> Now I will tell you well I will tell you that um I think we need to look at find a ways to get these trees in faster. Now
as I had mentioned part of the program that David works on as far as to take care of people that are coming into compliance up and down 19 wherever redevelopment's coming in, nonprofits coming in, we need to make it easier for them to be able to get the work done. So, I want to look at uh the changing of
the reimbursement part of it. But if they get once the work is done, whether it be through the um person doing the work >> or the person has just got it done because a contractor did ahead of time and just get them reimbursed. I'm okay with either way. Does anybody really care?
>> Okay, we just pay the bill. >> Well, there's a way that we could be the bill payer on >> for the trees. I I just some you know nonprofits don't necessarily have the money to put it out to get reimbured. I mean they have to add skills >> in your small business.
>> Your small business. Yeah. So if we have the money why don't we just go ahead and put it >> why go through that? Why make them go get a bank loan to put trees in? >> I'd like to find a way. >> Okay. So everyone's good with that change. >> Repeat it, please. We're going to allow
the person to either get paid after they've done the work >> or to pay the contractor directly after he's done the work. >> Non for profofits and commercial. >> Non for profofits, commercial, whatever. Just to make it easy for It's great for cash flow. >> You're saying on the You're saying on the grants? >> Yeah. Well, and I'm going to tell the board that we have a precedent for that.
In the commercial landscaping grant, we give 50% upfront so they can buy the materials. Then we reimburse the admin uh the installation >> there. So if that if you want to be consistent that would give some upfront money or you can make it you know 207525
but >> whatever works as long as the work's done I think the work should be done and then just and make a deal with the contractor once the work is done that's when he should get paid anyway >> but we don't deal directly unless it's with with not for profofits we don't >> if they finish if the person comes in finished with the work we go and see the
trees were done then just cut the check and pay it direct to the company >> well that yeah that's a re that's a reimbursement program with the commercial landscape Cape. We give 50% before so they can go out and buy the plantings. >> Then we give the other 50% upon installation after the final inspection. >> Once it's done, I'm good with that.
>> All right. >> I have a question for you, David, or comment. >> That's 50, >> David. And can you tell us how much exactly is in the grant? I know you get 50%. So, what how much is the total that? >> Sure. Um, for most pieces of property,
we give up to $20,000. For larger tracks, from I believe from, I think, 7 acres to 10 acres, we give $50,000 to 40,000. And then if they upgrade the parking, we'll give them another 10 because we want to get our parking into conformance. And we require a 20% match.
And generally, they're associated with uh capital improvements on property. So, it's easy to make the 20% match. That's the way we do it. >> Okay. because Commissioner Mariano touched on something the other day. I was driving from Penllis and to Pasco. And matter of fact, I I uh texted Mike,
but we need to incentivize redevelopment and, you know, let these people know that, you know what, this money is out there. >> Oh, we went door todo on 19. >> No, we we actively marketed. Um >> that's a lot of money to offer a a business. >> Yeah, we do a we we have a a kind of a portfolio of things we give small
business now to redevelop 19. We do have um we also provided the board approved in January of 2022 a a substantial in decrease in the mobility impact fees for small businesses and uh there's other things that we do. I I think we have to do more and we're going to work on that
for you, ma'am. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, I went I went with business. >> So, as far as a cap goes, you said what was the number? >> Uh well, it was 3500. The the cap that's been floating around is 10,000 with no with no credits against the Rupland
Acres. But don't credit the preservation of these heritage trees against that cap. It's got to go in tandem. >> Okay. But if but if I've got someone who's going to come in and we'll talking any business come in if they get most a lot of them are getting a bill between 40 50 60 70 80,000
you're capping if your caps at 20,000 they're not going to be able to get it done. So to me I think we should get more landscaping. >> Yeah. Talking about parade. Y'all are talking two different >> Right. Well, I'm I'm trying to get to where I wanted to get to, and that's to take care of the small businesses that are out there, even the nonprofits, but
we took care of the nonprofit and and the reimbursement stuff. That's good and as well. But as far as there's a cap now for the small business guy that's in there, if he's got a $100,000 bill and we're going to give him 20,000, what does that really help? >> Well, that's the landscaping grant. You may be able, you know, case by case, if
it's a not for profofit, the 20,000 is not sufficient. Yeah. >> They can apply to the board for additional tree mitigation funds, >> but Why? Why? Why are we going through that step? If we want trees in the ground, I got 10 million in the bank. What's the easiest way to get the trees in the ground? Give them more money.
>> Just give >> Why am I limited to 20 grand? >> I mean, you're talking like an 8020 kind of split. >> Well, I think there's some confusion. Oh, what you're saying is let's let's take the commercial landscape grant program and increase the amount of money for that. All right, we can come back to that. That's that's fine. >> I want to come back to I want to do it
right now while we're here. No, they would what they want to do is look, it's 50%, 70 or up to our discretion up to a certain percentage. >> Yeah. >> 80%. >> Up to >> up to 80%. So we they'll pay 20, we pay 80.
>> Okay. So we'll pay So we'll pay 80%. >> Um they'll pay the >> and then they'll pay the 20. That'll be their local match, which is consistent with the current program. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Uh last thing, palm trees. >> Some people want them. I think they look good. I think we're in Florida. Sure, we should have more palm trees. Put them in
groups of three is fine, but allow them to go out there as well to be part of this. And we'll take out the queen palms. >> But look, look at Ashley furniture. That was not appropriate for the amount of asphalt they put in. So I think you have to be careful what >> Well, the problem came with the crepe
myrtles, >> huh? >> The crate myrtles were the problem because they're the ones that are dead. When you look at those pictures closely, you got sticks in the grounding in front of Newport Corners, you got sticks in the ground. >> That's what you don't want to get rid of. And I I agree with that 100%. But if someone's going to bake three palms, the palms look good and just put other
things around it. >> I I >> I hate to see us taking out so many oak trees and cutting a palm tree and it's >> We're not taking them out. We're just adding them in where they're not there. >> This is like just redevelopment stuff >> up and down 19. I mean, part of the reason people didn't go do your tree
mitigation fund and and doing all the re re redevelopment stuff because the old trees when they grow up, they block everything. >> So, commissioner, you get a better view. Um, so resolution number 25-291 actually already includes reimbursement for the purchase of palm trees except for the
queen palms. That is number section 3.2. >> Right. When we look at 31, >> when you're in a parking lot, you want to park underneath a palm tree or you want to park underneath an oak tree. >> Which one's going to keep your car from burning up and gas fumes? >> Well, the oak tree is going to mess your
car up, >> huh? The oak tree will mess your car up certain times. >> Oh, I was trying to p park under the oak tree here. >> Someone sometimes someone beats me too >> sometimes. She can look either side there.
>> But anyway, I think they should have the opportunity to pick whichever tree they want. Palm trees were in Florida and especially along the coast, we should be looking at the palm trees already. The tanic acid that's in the oak tree is not good for the water. So perfect. >> Um Mr. Chair, I Mr. So on the commercial
landscape grant, we are going to an 80% county contribution based on the cost of the overall landscaping project with a 20% uh property owner match. Is that correct? >> Perfect. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Do we have to vote on that or is that >> I like that. Well, it's a separate
program, but I think you can be included in this ordinance as a as a add-on, and we'll we'll make the alterations to the regulations. >> And they have to put in irrigation, right? >> Uh, yes, ma'am. >> Yeah. >> And they have to be maintained >> for five years. Yeah.
>> They'll claw back and if they don't maintain it for 5 years and it's dead. >> Okay. Mr. Garbella. >> No, I was just I had updated numbers on the tree fund. So, approximately 12.7 in the fund. About 10 are in reserves. The rest is remains budgeted projects. >> So I think
>> oh that's two million budgeted currently projects >> and the beauty of the program is to get those trees in the ground to actually help the environment better. So what we're doing now is freeing that money up to get out there. Commissioner Oakley, >> can we uh Mr. Could we have an audit of that ever so often so we keep up with
the fact that it's moving and and that's being spent that way? >> Yeah, I think once we get these changes here on the books now that the it's it's opened it up. I I would love to come back to the board maybe every 6 months and give you an idea of what's what's going on. >> Yeah, >> you have a ticker like population that
going down. >> Is Barrett here? >> Oh, I'm sorry. We already apparently um the peed is to provide quarterly reports anyways on the expenditure of funds as noted items. We'll let you know that. >> So, you would have been if you were driving to work on Little Road, you
should have seen a whole bunch of new trees, but they got delayed, right, Barrett? Um, starting next week, this week. Next week, next week you're going to see a lot of trees planted Little Road. You can see all the irrigation um tubes sticking up out of the ground, but they're they're coming.
>> Okay, >> Mr. I'm having a pre- audit question in my mind that we need to uh I'm a little concerned about money going out the door that isn't for product that's being delivered or retained or stored and
without being committed to and in in advance. So there's probably something we need to think through just a little bit as to how we don't lose our investment so to speak. Yeah, I think uh that would be wise, Mr. Clerk, to come
up with u accountability and transparency with with relation to those expenditures. And um Mr. >> I would add on to that because we when we started the landscape grants, we did hear that there were some unscrupulous things going on where there were some
folks billing for stuff that actually wasn't um being planted. And um so we do we do need to have checks and balances on >> on it. >> So let me go back to my first suggestion
which was let's go get the work done and then pay the bill. Now the work's been done. You can verify the work's been done. You're stroking the check. It's already been there. If they got to maintain it for 5 years with this problem, we come back to the land owner. And you do the 50% uh upfront and the
50%. >> Well, you might have to by by this protection as you're talking about, you have to skip that 50%. You just like pay him when the work's done period and then just >> All right. So, pay full when the I'm just trying to get clarity. Pay when when the work's done 8020 and we we we
maintain the five-year commitment to >> Mr. Chairman, having been an executive director of a not for-p profofit, I can see serious problems with that because most don't have the funds to buy >> which we said different for nonprofits. We said the nonprofits, they'll get the
work done, we pay them direct, the contractor being done or instead of waiting to go >> if a contractor will agree to nothing upfront. But again, buying the materials is one thing and having materials in hand and then paying for installation. Yeah, I think there's an issue with
that. >> We need to work through this just a bit because I totally understand not for profofits or organizations or even the trees are expensive and we're talking major capital outlay here uh for a very
good purpose, but we got to make sure we figure out how we >> I like the 50% up front and then the 50% >> because then we it's >> it's been working very well and we're just upping the amount of money we contribute. All right. So, let's let's stick with that with 8020 and then you guys can work out details as far as how
to protect. >> So, Mr. Engel, correct me if I'm wrong here, but that's not part of this resolution. >> No, you're correct. >> This is it for us. We're doing >> No, Mr. Stein, you're correct. And it
>> I just conferred with Miss Blair of your office. And what we're going to do is we're going to come back with the commercial landscape grant program with a consent item at the next meeting or so. the next meeting. >> All right. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Well, I better go upstairs and start
writing though. >> Making that attorney nervous. >> All right. So, with what we have in front of us, >> any other thoughts, questions, or changes? >> I'm fine with this section now. >> With the one addition that was made. Well, that's actually was the previous one.
>> Yeah, that that was the ordinance. >> All right. So, we need a motion. >> Approval to chairman. >> Yes. Commissioner, I do have a question. >> So, wait. So, do we have a discussion about the cap or not? >> Correct. >> We have not. >> We have not had that. That was to accept
what he was talking about. >> I thought we did 10,000 plus protect the heritage trees. >> We're not done talking about that. >> Okay. Well, I have to run to the next. >> Well, let's stop the door. >> So, I guess go to the next slide there, man.
>> Oh, no. This was just the recommendation slide. >> So, the cap. So the cap on is what 10,000 per up acre. >> Currently there's no cap in the resolution at all. >> So though there has been some discussion
about a $10,000 cap. >> Per Upland acre. >> Per Upan acre. Yes. The language that I sent to staff would be a $10,000 per upland developable acre plus $150 per inch for every tree
classified as a heritage tree >> over that would be over and above. >> Yeah. So it would be $10,000 per up acre plus $150 per inch for every heritage tree. >> So that's over and above the $10,000 per acre. Brad,
>> do you have a legal concern with it there being no cap? >> If the board does not want to have a cap, that's a different conversation. >> And that's and that's my point is that the way we're putting it forward. I want to make sure that the board
understands that that that currently what is before them doesn't have a cap and they can stay on that trail or if they want to have a cap, this is the language we're providing. Yes, if the board does not want to the prior to board direction was to have no
cap. If the board wants to maintain that direction, we can go with that direction. >> So, I'm stuck. If if there's no cap, it's just a blanket fee. Wait till Commissioner Starky gets back. So, if there's no cap, you pay your your your
blanket fee per acre and then there's no incentive to protect the heritage trees that we're trying to protect. That's what we're trying to get to here. >> So, there are some provisions for protecting the heritage trees. So, the sheet that I provided, the walk- on
edit, um that entire section is to incentivize applicants to protect trees in excess of the 20%. And there are some specific callouts. So, um there's $300 per inch for each heritage tree preserved, $150 per inch for trees 10 in
in diameter and greater. Uh the ones are preserved within the required site perimeter landscape buffering and screening along arterial and collector roads. There's additional reduction in the additional tree canopy uh reduction for additional tree canopy preserved.
So, if you preserve 5% more than that initial 20%, you get a 5% credit. And the tables there going up to greater than 15%, you get a 20% credit. And lastly, $150 per inch for trees 10 in and greater that are preserved within the required neighborhood park. And
these can be combined for a maximum credit of 75% of the total monetary contribution due to the tree mitigation fund. You can also see here that these numbers are actually double the numbers that we had proposed for the actual tree mitigation fund contribution rates. So
previously for any tree it would be $75 per inch. You can see here that the incentive is double that at 150. So that incentivizes persons to preserve more of those trees. And similarly for the heritage trees the fee would be $150 per
inch. We have doubled that incentive to $300 per inch. I like it because it's kind of a carrot and a stick. >> So, let me ask a question. What What's the current cap? Is it 2500? 3500? >> Currently, there's no cap in the one that was provided within the agenda
packet per the directions in January resolution. >> So, right now it's $500 per unit >> per acre. >> Per unit? >> No, per unit. That's on a house. >> That's correct. >> Okay. >> It's we should have done. So, >> so just to add clarity,
>> we go from 500 units to 10 grand. If we went to the 10 grand number, >> that's a phenomenal >> that's apples to oranges. >> Is it >> if you put four houses per acre, right, that would have been $2,000 versus 10 or unlimited.
>> Say that again. >> You're doing units to acres is all I'm saying. If you developed, >> so before was it by acre? >> Before it was by unit by unit and now it's going by acre. >> Correct. Okay, chair. For example, so Kokalakus in district 2, there were 687
live oaks that are going to be taken out. There's going to be 222 residential units at 500 bucks a piece. It comes out to $111,000. And so there'll be significantly less trees put back in and a significantly
less rate than what that's just live oaks. That's not talking about uh the magnolia and all the other tree. I mean, you're talking almost 2500 trees total in this area. It's it's a
completely lopsided deal. If if you're wanting to preserve trees, >> can you estimate what the number would be to what they would have what they're going to pay now? What they're going to pay if this was in place right now
>> if it was a 10 grand cap. Oh, well, how many acres is it? >> So, um, Patrick Der, development you when we kind of did this math and we went to developable acreage, um, we switched it from the per unit for single family. Commercial is a different
ratio, but for single family, um, average density for our projects are roughly three dwelling units per acre basically. So, if that's $500 times three, you could more or less say that it was $1,500 was almost what the
original version of this looked like. So, I think that's >> $1,500 per acre versus $10,000. >> Correct. That's assuming that our density, you would say it's three dwelling units per acre. That's right. >> So, would an apartment now get hit
harder? >> I'm sorry. >> Would an apartment get hurt harder than a single family home? Um, previously yes, but now it's just based off of land you're developing. Regardless if it's for single family homes, regardless if it's for multif family, regardless if it's for
commercial, if you're developing that land, you're required to mitigate regardless of of the type of development >> or did you or did you consider apartments commercial and run under a different >> Apartments were based off of units. So
if there's a 300 unit apartment complex, it would be 300. But that's assuming most apartment complexes because they're smaller are not even getting to the cap, the previous cap anyways because the sites were so small that it's generally better for them to pay $50 per inch,
which was the previous code, than it was to even come close to the cap. >> So right now, the apartments have no incentive to follow this at all. >> To follow what? Right now, >> if we put this new code in place, are they just still going to strip the land and build what they want to build? >> Um, well, they're still going to,
assuming that they there is a cap installed, they're still going to have to do tree mitigation, they're still going to have to account for the inches that they're moving. If they do hit a cap, if we do add a cap and they do hit that cap, they will still have to pay that fee. >> What about no cap? The no cap scenario
for them, >> no cap, still the same. They're still going to have to do tree surveys. They're still going to have to tell us what trees they're taking out. They're still going to have to say which trees they're putting back. If there's still a deficit with no cap based off of those inches and those trees, whether they're
live oak, magnolia, regular trees, they're going to be paying. >> They're going to be paying if there's a deficit. >> Patrick, can I ask a question? >> Sure. If there were a $10,000 per acre
cap, which types of projects are most likely to use that cap? >> Good question. >> I'm going to assume single family development projects, larger sprawling projects, if I had to guess. >> Okay,
>> usually our larger projects, single family homes, sprawling are taking out the most trees. um it's our smaller commercial, our smaller multif family that are more compact are not taking out as many trees. So, um they're probably not going to be paying as much as those
larger single family home communities that um have lesser densities. Think that answers your question? Sure. But the M >> Patrick, but the the premise is we're not as M. So when these projects come
in, they're taking out more than what's going back in the ground, which is why you pay for the fund and the county's figuring out how to spend 12 million bucks on limited space. That's that's what it is. >> Sure. >> So carrot is for them to keep more trees
in the ground. Mhm. >> So that's >> what we're trying to do. >> And I gave you an example >> right here on Little Road of a Stormwater pond. There's a couple storm water ponds, maybe three that are surrounded by live oaks that were planted.
We most of these developments with the storm water ponds, they don't put any trees on the edges when they could. >> It's a great place to put shade trees. >> Mr. Starking. Um, I will tell you I pictures when I went down to uh Fort
Myers Beach down the main road along all this development that was there and all along the retention they had all these oak trees and guess where they were >> in the pond torn up the sidewalk. Turn up turn just turned upside down because they got wet and they fell in. You don't
want >> turkey oats not live oaks. >> Look at little road. Those those have been here since I moved here 34 years ago. >> They're right across from Mitchellfield. They're fine. They I would say someone would have probably planted them a
little too close together because you don't want to plant Iok too close together. But >> you can plant them offside pond. >> What about when the governor came back? >> What about when the governor came out went to Bmont and we saw all those oaks that were down everywhere?
Well, >> because they got wet. >> Okay, but how long have they stood there? I don't know one good storm probably been there a couple hundred years. >> What I'm saying is if you put them near the ponds and the waters fill up and it goes those trees going to come down over
>> the the example a real time example is on Canon Ranch connected city on new 52 on the south side of the road where flood plane was built and you had grandfather oaks in the middle of these ponds. The hurricanes came through, the
water fills up, those trees drowned, they fell over. If if humans hadn't have manipulated the land and put the water there, those trees would have continued on living like they have lived on that ranch for
hundreds of years. That's the example that Commissioner Mariano's getting getting to uh putting those trees in areas that time is >> these were replanted. The This is an area that was cleared um for the
development. They did the storm water ponds that they planted oak trees on on the top, not in the pond, not on top of the ponds. >> And um and they've survived many hurricanes. So, you know, we're not arborists. I would love to hear an
arborist discuss this. Um but I'm going to show you that picture again. Just so you you remember what I'm talking about. Gina, uh, Gina, why don't you drop a a pin on Little Road?
>> That's 54 Little Road and um, let's see near near um, south of Cypress Lakes Boulevard. I'm not but I I'm just bring this up to say this is the way >> picture you're talking
>> this is the way that we could get more trees into developments that should be I'm not saying uh >> okay now yeah go down the Um, it's across. Uh, is it the other way?
Sorry. Yeah, keep going. So, um, this is just a way we can get even more trees in. Right. You're coming up on them. Okay. Across the street there.
There's a rare example when the scrap bars are looking half decent. Well, you're on the wrong side of the street. Um, your pin's on the wrong side of the street. >> Yep. >> Oh, yeah. I know what you're talking. >> Yeah, those have been there for 30 the
34 years I've been here. >> I would say they probably shouldn't have planted them so close. >> That might have been a requirement back then. I I think someone did something nice. I don't know. >> I don't know who developed that. Maybe
John Hudson, but >> the county did it. >> The county did it. We put them around the pond. >> Why? Well, good for us. We did something right. We could do that all over the county.
I'm telling you. >> It's wonderful. I mean, picture millions. Picture driving up the road and not having any trees there and driving up the road and what you see there now. It's lovely. >> Yeah. 12 million bucks. >> Well, like I said, we we planted them
too close. Okay. So, where are we? >> Gina, I just sent you two pictures. >> I was researching. I wasn't on my phone. This is after the storm that we went down to see. So there's this is along the rightway near a sidewalk in where it's supposed
to retain tension with you're just down light on little road. So there's one the next picture shows it even better. another one. So that that scenario was all the way up and down that roadway going in that just held on to the water and just what all those giant trees you
all came down. >> Doesn't look like they have any roots. >> Looking at that, >> I could I I got a whole video I can show you. But continually that was the type of thing that was out there. So too close to the ponds, they get wet. That's what's going to happen. Especially a
good wind with water. You're done. >> Okay. Where what what are we on? >> Mr. Chairman, I believe you have an open motion that no one remembers at this point. >> Well, still haven't made decision. >> Oh, whether to cap or not. No cap.
>> And I want to make sure we're not making it easier on apartments to come in or incentivize them in any way. Uh compact, not compact them. I don't know if there's any way to divide that, but at the same time, if you got all these people coming in with
developments coming in and all of a sudden you take no cap compared to a 10 grand cap, um that's I mean this is a big jump probably looks like sounds like it's about triple the effect financially. The other one is
exponential depending the law. Um, I'll do staff recommendation based upon House Bill 399 that we're going to discuss earlier today. That's going to be how we start defending ourselves from that piece of legislation that's coming down the pike, which we'll bring up during
commissioner time. You >> want to go 10 grand then? >> Staff recommendation. >> Yeah, because I believe what are the other counties that don't have a cap? Give >> me a second. was oh Hillsboro Penllis Aula
>> slide n can you unhide slide none >> they looked at commissioner Jagger >> when did they put theirs in place was it years ago or was it recent because I'm wondering and I talked to the county attorney if we push this law through
what's going to be the effect based upon legislation that if we do harm an industry by putting a law in is is an issue. They want to discuss it. >> It'll just prove the point that anything local government does, the legislature just won't beat us over the head. >> They put this they puts us in place and
we didn't do something that would be devastating to an industry no matter what it was. But if you would go >> Yeah. >> The only law that's currently in place is the law that requires the business
impact estimate which staff has prepared for you. It does show that there's a at least potential and staff can summarize that analysis that on a heavily wooded site there is a potential that it could have a business impact. Now whether a
particular property owner might file some claim you know arguing a taking orac claim we won't know until that claim is actually filed and we'd have to defend that claim when it's filed. I can't predict for you what might actually get filed, but on its face, I
can't tell you that there's anything illegal about the what you're adopting. >> The the piece of legislation that passed just requires us to do the business impact statement. Correct. The other piece of legislation which created a cause of action did not. Is that
>> correct? The only cause of action that might be alleged is is existing law like Harris Act >> taking those types of claims that we'd have to see what was filed and and see what was alleged before we could advise you on that. But those would be fact
specific claims that we'd have to evaluate. >> So I'm I'm going to say that I think if we put this through there's going to be a lot of Bert Harris. There's going to be a lot of lawsuits coming. I mean, just you are making a dramatic step without even putting a cap in place. I think it's hard to
>> I kind of think we need the cap. >> I mean, if you I just I think we're just going down a big road here. >> I think you need to put a cap in place. >> I'm not scared of it. >> I mean, okay. >> But Okay. Um, can I ask a question? >> Good.
>> Patrick, didn't you do an analysis of what someone could be paying if we didn't have a cap? So, as part of the business impact estimate, we did include that for commercial development on an he a heavywooded parcel. Um, the parcel in
question >> um it was 19.94 acres. was actually a county site that we used um with an estimated 12,72 in of regulated trees and it worked out to be $229,425 based off of the proposed changes to the
um contribution rates at $11,55.77 per acre. >> And what would it have been the other way if we had developed it? >> So that was not represented in the calculations here. How many definitely less is it? Do it. >> This is 19.94.
>> So let's say 20 acres at someone do the math. >> But again once per year $1,000 >> and this is per acre. So >> I know I'm just saying tell me what it would have been in the old way on that lot figuring it's >> a $1,500 difference from your cap to
your new cap, right? 11,500 an acre, right? Versus a $10,000 cap. So it's $1,500 an acre. So 20 30 gram. >> She's asking under the current. >> Oh. Oh, under the current at 500 a unit. Let's I don't know. >> Say they get 100 units on it.
>> You said the average is rest three three units an acre. How many acres is it? >> So that'd be 60 units times 500. So 30 grand. >> So we're going from 30 grand to 200. That's what I'm trying to on on our sample piece. >> And that's from 2005 to now. So
>> right. So 30,000 to 229,000 and that's only on 19 acres. What are you going to do with someone's got 100 acres or thousand acres? >> Well, that's where three the conversation on House Bill 399. But I view it like this. Look, we have impact
fees. We just moved for fire. All these folks moving to Florida. My kids are sixth generation Pasco residents. All these folks that are moving here, flocking here after the closing and the 110 things that these folks demand out
of local government when they come here, part of his trees, green green space everywhere. These folks are coming here and they're having an impact on our environment, on our communities, all the services we have to provide. The folks that the cost is going to be
passed on to the consumers just that the cost of moving to paradise, moving to Florida. I think everybody who's been a Floridaian or been here for any amount of time has a little bit of environmentalist conservationist in them. I think that's
just part of the Florida way and being a Floridaian which I'm very proud of. And so I welcome all these folks that are moving here and I'm excited they see opportunity here. But there's a cost to live here and they're doing it on the
backs of us and our environment and our green spaces that people love so dearly. That's what part of makes what makes our state special and it's incumbent upon us. Pasco look a hurricane the hurricanes
was mother nature given a great discount on trees with how many trees especially the tree canopy in East Pasville forever changed. that'll never come back in six generations. And that was a gift >> unless we start planning. >> That was a gift to the development
community, I guess, by mother nature. But moving forward, we've lost so much across this county in the Bay Area that it's time to do something about it because we're a popular place to be. It's an impact. That's the impact fee of moving here to Florida, moving here to a county that my family's called home all
across this county from the coast to the swamps to live here. And I think it's important that we we beef up the the the impact and and preserve our green space. And quite frankly, I know I keep referencing House Bill 399, but this is one of the ways that we're going to be
able to defend ourselves from that bad piece of legislation. And so anyway, I'm for the the staff recommendation, staff uh recommendation on on this on this. >> Mr. I am too and only because other counties
already have it in place and people they're still building there. >> So why wouldn't they build here? >> So let me if I could who's done it and how long they have it in place? >> Well, so for example, uh Bvard County uh
doesn't have a cap on their uh fees, contributed fees, and they've had it in place since 2006. >> We're kind of late. and they're a similar size county to pass the most recent one that's >> well if you're you're looking at the the chart that's their last fee revision so
we would assume that the maximum could have been put into place that year or it could have already been ex existing before >> and David when did the legislature pass what they passed >> last day session >> which law are you talking about >> the one where we have to investigate
what the impact would be >> oh business impact estimates I would say two or three years ago Yeah. >> So after 2020. >> So yeah, >> I believe so. Yes. >> All right. So all these things are before that. >> But to be clear, that doesn't it's not a
substantive change. Doesn't prevent you from adopting a law. It just requires you to disclose the impact of on businesses when you adopt the law. >> Okay. Mr. Stucky. Um, one thing I want
to be sure of is that we're not um getting clear cutting during a because of this of the number. So, I want to go back to what our rules are for um someone you you know Mr. Southwind or
whatever his name was did took out those trees that he said he needed for his cattle and then six months later we had an Amazon warehouse. Um, what are our rules for cut clear cutting when you're egg and then coming in for
>> res? Yeah, we're not changing those rules. >> I I want to make sure they're strong enough. So, I may need them stronger. >> That was the ordinance that you >> Yeah. So, >> dealt with earlier. >> Yeah. So >> that was the old the old rules allowed a developer to basically claim the a
exemption in one year and then the next year they could submit a development application and basically not have to mitigate for the trees they removed under the egg exemption. >> Right? We changed that rule, I'd say
probably five or six years ago. >> We had that that >> and said that to claim the egg exemption and not have to mitigate for the tree removal, you had to at least be under the egg exemption for five years. You had to be under a zoning and under that a exemption for at least 5 years or you
had to be under the exemption for two years and wait three years before developing. So we so we attempted to close that loophole. Now, I've asked Patrick since we've done that whether anybody has attempted to abuse that system since we closed the loophole. And
his answer was no. >> Do you check >> what >> is he checking? And I want to say something. >> Yes, he that's his job. So, I'm So, >> you do check the tree canopy through whatever. >> Yeah, we review past aerials um back to
five years to see if it's changed. >> Okay. But hang on one second. Something you said coming from an egg family still makes me a little nervous because I can be an egg family been an egg family Starky since I 1930s.
So we can do whatever we want on our property and then I sell it to someone and I clear I clear it and then I sell it to a developer and he can start the next day. >> We haven't saved anything. So, but but
if you were bonafideed a egg for 5 years and you cleared it, >> you weren't do you weren't clearing it for purposes of avoiding our ordinance. >> How do you know that? >> Well, you have to be thinking ahead. >> Okay. But presume >> I'm thinking of someone. >> But the ordinance the ordinance presumes
that you weren't because you did it for five years. I mean, I I can't I'm not sure. I can't I don't know for sure. Okay. But >> I don't think it matters who owns it, that that if you're clear cutting, if you're clearing for a, which is covered,
you know, we're we're a strong a county and a strong a state, they should be allowed to do it on their property, but they can't do it and then sell it within a certain amount of time to a developer, then we we've done that's what's going to happen. So, we got a long, >> right? But but but
>> the commissioner what? No, he said >> but >> you could sell >> but but the developer bought it in a cleared state. >> Yeah. >> When you cleared it >> but I I promise you any egg families is going to sell it in a cleared state to a developer. >> But you couldn't
>> I understand it. >> He didn't say that. He didn't say that. >> But but you're but why should the developer be penalized for something you did? >> Look >> why you had it in an a state. >> You don't you don't understand what I'm saying? I think an example might be
good, you know, >> but but but regardless, the developer is still going to have to plant trees in accordance with our ordinance. It's not like the developer is going to get away with not having to plant trees. They're still going to have to comply with our code. >> But if you have a heavily wooded site and you want to sell it,
the developer who wants to buy it is going to say, "Clear it first and then I'll buy it." >> Give an example. >> That's what I'm saying. >> Okay. Massav and little road you go down on the right hand side at that intersection there's a whole bunch of trees in there >> they are pine trees most
>> that wanted to sell it clear them up if you if we put this through the way it is what happens is the people that aren't agg they're they're really going to be buried by this whether they do it or not right financially what you're doing though is now you're taking all the egg
people and they're going to start looking you know what I can go clear my land yeah >> flip my land and my land is worth so much more because I don't have that burden. >> Yeah. >> And now you taking a people out of business. >> That's what's been going on now. >> I know. But it's going to go more. You want >> It's going to go more. So that's why I
just want to protect it more. I'm I am happy to protect egg all day long. I'm not happy to take a and let it let them skirt around this tree protection ordinance.
But that's what's going to happen if we don't if we go too too much or if we don't say if we say you cannot you cannot clear and then sell with right away. I mean
we're going to have what the our worst nightmare. There's a lot of items, >> right? >> Yeah. But you look at the majority, you look at what's left. >> I'm just saying it's all going to be clearcut.
>> Okay. So, your concern is that somebody could >> You're talking timber versus >> could clear it towards the end of their a exemption and then immediately sell it to the developer and then they would just develop it right after that.
I don't know. I don't know how you protect that, but >> we'd have to put it in a waiting period after >> Yeah. >> after the five years. >> Five years. >> I mean, we can do that if if that's if that's a concern. We can add a waiting period after the five years. >> Yeah, that's what I was going to suggest
that we impose a moratorum not to receive development applications for 5 years on the property if that's legal. I think five years maybe. I think the rules now >> should run with the land, not the owner.
>> This is why I think we need a cat >> and not a not a anything goes because >> we're gonna we're going to do better. We're going to do what they're doing in other counties, but if we go too far, we're going to have
>> a mess on our hands. So, let me ask a board a question. I see we got a couple attorneys that represent at least three out there right now. >> I see one former president of U DBBA. Do you want to get a little public input? See what they're thinking? >> Yeah, >> we've got plenty of time.
>> Yeah, >> I I I' I've heard on the on the back side where one guy was large clearer properties really upset what we're doing. Um, I don't know about the other land owners, but again, if you want to take advantage of what they're hearing, what they may think because our
perspectives, we're we're learning as we're talking, the dialogue, but do you want to hear from the private sector? >> Sure. But let me discuss House Bill 399. If that's the case, then we need to discuss House Bill 399. I bet it changes your perspective. >> I don't know what that is exactly. >> Let's do an open dialogue from the from
anyone anyone from the private sector want to come forward and discuss this at all. >> Can we have >> If you don't, it's okay. I'm just giving you the opportunity. I saw Clark get up earlier so I'd rather have it open for everybody to hear. >> Hey Clark, hobby hobby and hobby PA 109 North Brush Street, Tampa, Florida. Uh
my only comment about this at all is on behalf of people who are in legit a I thought we had some language in the code as recently as a few years ago that already created the holding period that you're talking about. Maybe it accidentally got deleted or amended. But
the one thing I am very si sensitive to is, and this affected uh Senator Simpson's property that he bought from one of my buddies in Dade City, is we can't uh affect the right of people with bonafide a uses to remove trees. I mean,
they remove all of them under agricultural rules. And we had the site that uh one of the properties that Senator Simpson bought uh had pine trees on it because the grove had frozen out and he wanted to plant new orange trees and people flipped out when he clearcut
the pine trees. So my only thing I would say to you is be cautious so that you don't adversely affect the rights of the remaining a people we have. We want them to remain in business and they're going to have to cut trees down to, you know,
conduct agricultural activities. I I understand if there's a a year or 18 months if somebody comes in there and clears it and then there's a development permit filed, that would be, you know, like a bad faith thing, but if a guy comes in, you know, and some of my clients have to take oak trees out and
stuff like that to plant trees sometime, we don't want to stop that. That's my only concern. >> Clark, my thought is this. the the fear I get to hurting the egg people is not that you're actually going to hurt them. You create more advantage for them to go sell the property compared to I got this non-ag who can't take down trees. So I take these a people that are out there
running a business. All of a sudden >> they do the clear cut and all of a sudden you know what I'm better off just flipping this property to a developer because I've got to clear it up to go. >> That's what the board that's what the board was worried about about 10 years ago. And again we created language that tried to >> encapsulate. Let me let me finish my
point. >> Okay. Yes. >> So, so with all that said that the A guys can go do that. We're not changing any of that. What it's going to happen though in my opinion is you now take these non-ag people with large tracks of land with lots of woods on them, etc. Now, they're not going to go sell their
property because that the values diminish so much by all these fees that are in place for the trees. So, does that now promote more pressure for the ad guy to say, "You know what? I'm going to go I'll be good." >> Well, that is that is a legitimate issue. And that's what Barbara and I were just talking about in the back.
What's going to happen here? And there I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding with some some board members and people at large. The people who will be adversely affected by this will be the land owners to be clear. The developers, you guys can jack the rates up. It cost 20 grand an acre to to
penalize somebody. They just go right to the land owner and they say, "We can't pay you 50 grand an acre anymore. You just don't get it." And believe me, they will be contacting you in the next year or so if you do it that way. >> But those land those people are probably a and so they're going to take down
those they're they're going to make their land. >> Right. My my my only point of caution about this is since we adopted that one rule, I think your county attorney may be looking at some of our older stuff on the computer now. Since we adopted that rule about 10 years ago, it was maybe 10
12 years ago. I haven't heard of anybody doing that in anticipation of >> Southwind did it. >> Yeah. >> So, I want to be clear, even the five-year rule requires that it be under a zoning and an agricultural classification. So,
>> but there's nothing that stops them from selling it one year later. >> I understand that, but they'd have to then reszone it before they could develop it. So that the the time it's going to take them to reszone it >> and maybe that's why it hasn't happened. >> It's that's going to be three years.
>> I mean we could put a waiting period in. I'm not I'm not >> either way it's three years whether there's >> I'm not opposed to putting a waiting period in after they're done with that 5-year period. But I want to be clear that the 5-year period has to be while it's zoned egg. So
they'd have to reszone it after that. Maybe that's why >> I'm not sure why the language that that two or more consecutive years and has not submitted a development application >> right
>> period for three years doesn't project >> it's already in there >> well because there's a prior one Jeff that says that's there's an or there's a prior one that says for five years >> that it's been under a zoning for five years she's saying that one doesn't have
a waiting period Yeah, that maybe we got that one out. >> My point is that it has to be under a zoning for the five-year one. Has to be under a zoning >> and an egg classification for five years >> or >> to get it reszoned.
That's going to take you three years, probably two to three years, just to get it reszoned. I mean, we can put a waiting period after the five-year one, too. I'm not I'm not opposed to doing it. I'm just letting you know that nobody's going to be able to take that 5-year window and immediately develop
because they'd have to convert it from a zoning. >> I think what David's saying in a more simplified term is your code is more or less already achieving the same means. We have this hasn't been a big issue there. about 15 years ago this was
happening a lot and we changed the code and tried to put these little tentacles in there and I haven't I mean I heard you mention one property owners saying I haven't heard anybody doing that since then. I mean the other people that that took pine trees out they were going to take the pines out anyway.
>> Well you know you have to we do have to remember too well like that property act in Massachusetts and little um Miss that that's silva culture. She >> that's why she was going to take them out anyway. >> She's a pine tree farmer. So, >> but I want to be clear. If you want us to add a a waiting period after the 5
years, we can add it. I'm not >> Well, what's the >> Where'd Seth go? >> Um, >> I would just be cautious about your look back period is all I'm saying because >> pardon me. >> They're going to have to reconsider the ordinance to do that. However,
>> yes, we'd have to reconsider the ordinance. >> We went back and started talking about what the ordinance provisions were that you've already adopted. >> Barbara may I think Barbara may have something to say. Hello. I had to stand up. I was falling asleep. Barbara Will height 6327 Grand
Boulevard. You know, my perspective is you did something when you just passed your ordinance, which was allow this to be done by resolution. So, you can see what bad things people do in the next couple months. Tell them to come back and pass a cap, make an incremental step, see what bad things people come up
with, and you can fix it. This isn't the end of this discussion because it's done by resolution. you're very nimble. You can address it very quickly. Staff sees something going on, they're like, "Oo, let's change that cap." Multif family maybe is an issue. They start seeing applications come in, they can change
that cap. So, I just because you could go on here for quite a while. >> So, you're for the cap. >> I I do think you should make an inch mail step. I think you should put a cap in place. You can change it >> very very very quickly because it can be done by resolution per the ordinance you just adopted. That's my recommendation.
Thanks. >> We need to move on. We got a lot to do. >> All right. So, we have a motion. >> Well, I I would make a motion. >> We should wait for Seth. Seth's still here. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Anyone else want to >> Someone go check on Seth.
>> I think you have on his way to the men's room. >> Well, I don't have to go inside or anything. >> Also, should we want to say something? >> No, I'm just saying that I'm waiting to see what happens here. I mean, as it relates to the motion that's pending.
And should we hear from Ralph to see about >> what is House Bill 399? >> I don't know what that is, >> Ralph. Yeah, >> I would love to. >> I mean, is that something we need to know before we vote on this? I don't >> We can have a discussion about 399, but
I think it could be a separate conversation in my opinion. >> Are we preempted again? We are preempted on some issues, but I don't >> I said I was going to get I was going to put Florida legislature in front of >> I don't think it's it's not directly related to trees or tree mitigation if
that's the question. >> Can you give us a little bit about the bill? >> Sure. The the primary preeemptions relate to compatibility and um mobile homes in single family neighborhoods.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. There he is. >> You speak and he returns. >> I can't see him. He's too. >> There's Ralph. >> Good afternoon. Ralph Lair, interal affairs officer. So, you wanted to know
information regarding House Bill. >> All right. Good. So, I'm just going to touch on on a few items that are in the bill and and I know David was talking and and uh has looked at it. Um, it updates local uh
government land development regulations to include specific compatibility consideration for certain residential applications, limiting grounds for denial and requiring detailed jurisdiction or justification. It bars denial building permits for certified
residential manufactured buildings on designated lots subject to existing requirements and tax provisions. requires that off-site constructed residential dwellings be allowed in any zoning permitting single family homes and bars local regulations that treat
them more restrictively than sight built dwellings. >> So that's for a manufactured home, >> correct? >> Well, to be clear now, it appears it applies to mobile homes now, too. >> Yes. >> Is that now is that now passed?
>> Uh it's already passed and it's uh already on the governor's uh desk. Okay. uh it was signed and sent to him on the 18th. He has till uh April 2nd to sign the bill or let it pass. >> A mobile home can go in say Beexley or
Atoria or >> is this to be clear it wouldn't supersede private deed restrictions. >> Correct. >> But if it's an area like Moon Lake like the one we just heard where it doesn't have private deed restrictions, >> it would supersede our local zoning.
And again the what the way they looked at it is they they they did this uh particular bill to to have more affordable housing products in uh in the state. That's how they see this.
All right. Why don't we move to item P35 and we'll come back to this. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Keep moving. P3 P35. We have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the February 25th, 2026 edition of the Tampa Bay
Times. Hey, good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Connor Donovan, acting chief of staff. Before you today is item P35, an ordinance amending chapter 2, article 5, division 3, section 2-225
of the Pasco County Code of Ordinances relating to the commission on the status of women. Providing for inclusion in the Pasco County Code of Ordinances, severability, conflicts, and an effective date. This comes to you with a recommendation of waving introduction
and accepting public comment. then adopt the proposed ordinance amending the Pasco County Code of Ordinances by roll call vote and authorize the chairman to execute this amendment. And I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Move to approve. >> Public hearing. >> Oh,
>> just a little discussion. So, we currently been funding them for 5,000 a year. They want to go to 7,500 a year. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, I didn't see the work plan. I had to go asked for the work plan as far as what they're what they're doing with the money, but um I think it's discussion
should be have what they're doing. Um >> this goes to this pretty much goes to their big big annual uh event that >> Yeah, they have an annual event that cost some money. They haven't been able to >> Okay, so does so just pretend Blaze is in the room.
>> Do you think we should have this group trying to raise money on their own to fund these things rather than us doing it? They they I think they are, but they're brand new. So, >> how long they've been in play? >> But they Well, having an event is brand new. >> This is This is going to be their second
or third lunch. Which one? >> Yeah, >> it'll be their third. >> Yeah, >> it's their third annual lunchon. >> Started out, they didn't have very many of They didn't have a large event. They have a small event, but >> I actually afforded to I know you both
sponsor it. I sponsor one. >> Yeah. So in in doing so, I mean, do I want to take taxpayer money to pay for lunchon or should I look for those out there to go contribute to it? >> Well, it's about the status of women and and in Pasco, we all care about the status
of women and how people look at them and and what they do for the county and what they do in >> a lot more county. I can tell you that they give them Yeah. >> a lot more. >> I I just think we should be going private sector. I mean, I'll I'll support this one, but I think we should put a notion out there that all those
people that want to support the women, let them step up and go start sponsoring these things, too. >> I I think this one's very much in line to to do what they need to do. >> Yeah, >> I think Blaze Noly will be thinking
differently, but >> All right. Any further discussion on the item? It's time for public comment. Anyone here in the public want to comment on item P35? sitting here. >> And you had a motion. I see someone coming forward. >> Don't worry, we have all
>> Oh, okay. There's one. >> Didn't plan on it, but I will. Christy Zimmer, um, address of record, as a woman business owner in this county, this commission on women, I've been following it, does nothing for all of us
women in this community. I don't want my taxpayers going to paying for their lunchon. What What's the feedback for the community and the women business owners? There's been no outreach. >> Did you give them um any your information for womenowned business? >> Yes. No, there's nothing. So, if it's
going to pay for their lunchons, I'm not okay with my tax dollars doing that. If it's going to build up women in business, yes. But it's not my thoughts. >> Mr. Mr. Bell, >> I I just want to add that they are prohibited from spending that money on food. >> Oh, sorry. Oh,
>> okay. So, it's not going to the food, >> right? Or is it good? And and so with that said, I think I think you should get that lady that coached today and she should be one of your speakers. >> She should be one of your speakers that I think that would >> get a lot of people excited. >> Well, the speaker last year was the one
that was at M Skills. >> Yeah. that you you saw that with the um foster kids is fantastic. But >> but as much as it's it's I mean I appreciate what they're doing. I I will tell you the conversation I think it was we had last year or the year before they talked about trying to work on ladies as far as child care.
>> Maternity leave. Well, I haven't seen a thing come back to us. >> Well, you're not. >> Bring it to us. We're we're the ones paying for it. >> Get Let them do a presentation. Here's what we're going to go do. Here's what we're present. Maybe before we do this, we need to have them bring us a presentation telling us why they need it
and how they did. >> Yeah. Just for additional context, they did come to this board and present their action plan this past summer. And at that meeting, you guys gave the direction via unanimous vote to say yes, let's bump you from 5,000 to 7500, right? >> Uh this is just effectuating that in the
actual ordinance. So that direction had been given. They do present their work plan to you on an annual basis. This is just putting that into effect. >> Why wasn't that already in place? >> But I am gonna follow up on what Christie said. Make sure because one of one of our big goals there is to um
really um beef up Sorry guys. Um and support womenowned businesses. So I will make sure that getting out there. >> So you have a motion and I have a second. >> Yeah. >> All in favor say I. >> I. I. >> It's an ordinance.
>> Mr. Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi. >> District two, Commissioner Wake. Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Starky. >> Hi. >> District four, Commissioner. >> District five, Chairman Mariana. >> Hi. >> And once again, we have a waiting list because we don't have a space big enough. >> Where are you going? >> We got
>> Where you at? >> They're at uh I think they're at PHS. Yeah. I'm going to try that new place on the Sun Coast if he's done. >> Look at Spartan. You get Wy grass. >> Uh >> Saddle Brook. >> Good. Good. No, that's too expensive. We can't afford that.
>> It may help you. >> Okay. All right. >> All right. We're going to go back to we were on P34. We don't need >> back to P34. Pleasure of the board. >> Uh, you mean R30? >> I'm sorry. R30. Sorry.
>> So, is staff recommending the 10,000 cap or no cap? So, previously we were directed to do no cap back in January. Okay. >> And then we got comments from stakeholders that 10,000 would be more
appropriate. So, it's at the board's discretion if 10,000 is the desired amount, but we can make that >> 12,000. 10,000, but I I think we need to count >> 10,000. I like >> I do have a question. Um, Commissioner
Weightman mentioned uh heritage trees and basically having that be counted separately. Um, would that 10,000 include that or would it just be a flat 10,000 per upland developable acre? >> The heritage looks like there's three votes per cap.
>> Yeah, but what do we want to think about the heritage? >> They need to be over and above because the mission here is to save the >> That's what I thought that was. >> Yes, that's what the mission is. >> Okay. >> Save the heritage trees. And we have a definition for heritage trees. They are
>> We do. >> So the motion is with the cap of 10en with the heritage trees outside of it. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So I got a motion. We have a second roll call vote. >> This one can be straight up. It's not >> straight up. Sorry.
>> Are we clear? >> All in favor? >> Clear on that? >> I >> Okay. >> Any opposed? >> I So four to one. What was the name? Seth wanted to know. >> I said I said I reluctant reluctantly.
>> Were you slow on your 50? >> I was reluctant. >> 50 vote. >> But >> good thing >> I'm grateful. I'm grateful that we moving >> forward >> forward in the right direction. >> Um did we did we do any escalator?
Wait, guys. >> Didn't we want to tie this so that we don't that there's a every so often it increases so we don't >> Let's move on. >> I see how it works. >> Um, chair, if I may, real quick though, um, it's David Allen. Um, since this is resolution, if there is a desire to
increase fees, we can do that relatively quickly with resolutions. >> Okay. And we included that language in section 802 as well that we would review it on a three-year basis. Not necessarily change it every three years, but that we could look at it on a periodic basis. >> All right. Item P36.
>> Item P36. We have proof of publication in the March 11th Tampa Bay Times. >> Good evening board. My name is Carrie Roberts, purchasing director for the county. Today we have a ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending various sections
of chapter 2, article 4, division 2 of the Pasco County Code of Ordinances relating to purchasing provided for changes and additions to definitions of terms. Providing for changes in purchasing limits, including during emergencies and for modifications. Adding purchasing process for declared emergencies. Delegation of authority for
contract renewals. Authorizing solicitations for multiple award task order contracts and requests for qualified quotes. Specifying notice for invitations for negotiation. Providing for changes to local preference. Creating exemptions for excluded infrastructure projects, food and venue
rentals. Providing for changes to unauthorized purchases. providing for conflicts of interest in department regarding county employees involvement in solicitations and awards and providing changes to bid protest procedures and the amount of protest bond and providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code and
providing for an effective date. We are asking the board to approve this recommendation today. We have a presentation if you would like to see it and I'm open for any questions you may have. >> Anyone need a presentation? >> Okay. Uh there's a public item uh public >> public hearing.
>> Public hearing. Would anyone here like to speak to item P36? Anyone online? >> No, sir. >> Seeing no one, we'll close public comment. Back to the board. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> I. >> District two, Commissioner W.
>> Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Starky. >> I. >> District four, Commissioner Jerger >> is absent at the moment. Uh, District Five, Chairman Mariano. >> Hi. >> Motion passes. Four zero. Now we go to public hearings uh with the county
attorney review the procedures for the resoning. >> Be happy to Mr. Chairman. There are two reasonzoning agendas regular and consent. Staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition, the application will be considered by the board without
further presentation. If sta if the staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application, the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation. The opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group
representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the resoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from
the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and
whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi judicial public hearings. The law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within
the board's land development code. Mr. Clerk, would you like to swear the public in, please? >> Now, at this time, anyone who anticipates giving testimony in any of the reasonzoning matters, please stand. Again, even if you're not sure, but you think you might be, if you please stand, raise your right hand. Do you and each
of you swear or affirm the testimony you will give in these matters is the truth. So, I help you God. >> When you come forward, if you would please announce your name and address at the record and confirm that you were sworn. Thank you. >> Thank you. Today, we have two public hearing items in the agenda that are
contingences. We'll start with P37. >> P37, we do not have proof of publication. This was previously said on the agenda for an item that was continued, but we still do not have approve of publication for hearing. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Item P37 is
PD26 CU09. This is the conditional use request the name of Bear Creek Group Home Elevated Youth Services, which was a conditional use for residential treatment and care facility in an R4 high density residential district. Uh, this is coming to you with the recommendation to continue to a date
uncertain. Move it to continue. >> A motion to approve. Have a second. >> Second. >> Second to continue for a long, long time. >> And I haven't met with staff on this
yet, and I don't know why, but anyway. All right. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Item P38. >> P30. >> P38. We have uh proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the February 4th edition of the Tampa Bay
Times supplemented by certifi certification of mailings and site postings. >> Uh this item is PD 267857. This is a zoning amendment in the name of Kalante Resorts MPUD by LOL Properties Incorporated. It's a
reszoning request from a master plan unit development to a master plan unit development uh to allow for the development of 96 condominium units. This is coming to you with a request to continue the item to the April 21, 2026 board of county commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. or soon thereafters may be
heard in Newport Richie. >> So move second. >> All in favor say I. >> Any opposed? >> Okay. 5. >> Um okay. Now we have the consent agenda. Item P39. >> P39. Proof of publication Tampa Bay
Times February 4th, 2026. supplemented by a certification of mailings and site postings. >> Item P39 is PD 267886. This is a zoning amendment in the name of Tina Marie and Steven Frell Frell project. It's a change in zoning from an
AC agricultural district to an AR agricultural residential district in northwest Pasco County on the west side of Nottingham Trail approximately 1,660 ft north of the intersection of Robin Hood Road and Nottingham Trail containing approximately 10 acres. This comes with a recommendation to approve
the zoning amendment. >> Okay. Anyone here to speak in opposition to this item? >> Is that close to our place on Lingham? >> Not far. >> All right. Seeing no objections, we'll keep it leave it on consent. Item P40.
>> P40. I approve the publication February 4th, 2026 edition, Tampa Bay Times, supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings for the February 17th, 2026 board of county commissioners meeting where it was continued to today.
>> Okay. Is anyone here to speak in opposition to item P40? >> This is where you might addition. >> Yes. Actually, let's pull this off consent. We do a quick addition later. Uh item P41.
>> P41. We approve of publication February 4th, 2026 edition, Tampa Bay Times, supplemented by certification of mailings and site postings. >> Okay. Anyone here to speak in opposition to P41? Seeing none, we'll leave it on consent.
Item P42, >> group of publication, Tampa Bay Times, February 4th, 2026, supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Anyone here to speak in opposition to P42? I'm assuming there's no one online as well. >> No, sir. >> Okay. All right. So, that is the consent
agenda. We'll leave that on consent as well. Have a motion. >> Approval of all consent items. >> Second. >> All in favor exception of 40. >> With the exception of P40. >> With the exception of 40. Okay. >> All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? >> Okay. Motion carries. All right. Item
P40. There was a change. Uh, I know we had a connection going to the east and Commissioner Stark, you wanted to see there was going to be a a connection to the west. >> Yes. >> The applicant come forward. >> I'm ready. >> Barbara will high 6327 Grand Boulevard.
My laptop has died. This is all I got here. I don't see very well anymore. So, um, we we kind of worked on this while we had a little bit of time. Um, Commissioner Starky has asked for a sidewalk. We have a culde-sac. If you did have the binding concept plan, if you saw that towards the north, there's
a culde-sac. There'll be a um sidewalk around that culde-sac. So, we're going to take a sidewalk from there over to the west property boundary, which is the county's Elamp property. In order to do that, this is what we would put on the record. Applicant agrees to update the binding concept plan to include a 5-ft
sidewalk from the culde-sac on the north end of the property to the west property boundary. Apple agrees to a new condition of approval. The sidewalk from the culde-sac on the north end of the property to the west property boundary depicted on the binding concept plan shall be constructed prior to the final building inspection for the first
certificate of occupancy. And I got that approved by David on the first right. So I'm first time I wrote it. So that's pretty good. But he did want to make sure that staff also acknowledged that they'll need to update their their memo agenda memo to you and update their variation analysis. So if you were
wanted to do a motion include those things, I think you could move this along. >> Okay. >> So move >> second. >> Any further discussion? >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Mr. Chairman. >> Just for the record, there was a late
exparte that was received for this MPD. It's been submitted into the record. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Two committee reports. Commissioner Oakley. >> Well, had a good week last week. celebrate my anniversary. >> Happy anniversary.
>> I'm sure y'all had a good time back here while I was on cruise. Um, I'm here today to tell you all that we've lost a good friend in Scott Grant. He passed away last Wednesday. Um, Scott
lived in Pasco County for a long, long time. first started off in uh Zephry Hills Police Department, then moved from there after after a few years with the Zephri Hills Police Department on to um
um the Pasco County Sheriff's Office and then served there for till his end of his service for law enforcement for 34 he served 34 years total. Um, I had him in I think it was during my first term I had him come and meet
with us in Dade City to historic courthouse. He and his wife. >> Um, Scott really was u he was a person that I mean you you hadn't seen him in months, you'd see him one day and it was like you just saw him yesterday. I mean,
he's that type of person that very good, believed in doing things for others and and really working hard for for the people of Pasco County. >> And I certainly appreciate his friendship and and he and his wife after
he retired from the police department or sheriff's department, he um decided to I guess he had a face and a beard for being Santa Claus. So, he became Santa Claus. He felt that every child needed to receive a u
joy and laughter and fun through seeing Santa Claus during merry seasons. He he really u went out this was he and his wife his wife Jackie joined him as as Ms. Claus. Yeah. and they I mean they
just very beautiful people and what they did around and brought a lot of joy to Pasco County citizens. Um they stayed very very busy in this role. But if you will join me in just a u uh a
moment of silence for them and I will end it when it's time. Amen. Okay. And there's a copy here and I'm going to put it on my uh Facebook page also. His services will be held this
weekend, I think on the 28th and um if anyone's interested. But I'm going also put it on my uh Facebook page so people that'll see it that like me might have been out of town or something didn't realize and I didn't realize he
had the issues he had but he passed with the a hard fight with cancer. So >> okay that's all I have commission. Well start off with two happy anniversaries to the Oakleys and to the Starkies.
Happy anniversary. Um, last week we had a want to thank school board and uh, Superintendent John Le and Megan Harding and um, the principles and the teams at uh, Lyn Angeline Academy, Mary G Elementary and Shady Hills Elementary. Enjoyed touring those schools and
meeting the staff there and uh, got a firsthand look of of just the needs in the areas of sidewalks and turning lanes. very nice turning lanes uh going in off of Shady Hills to help relieve some of the traffic challenges that we're having there. So, very much
appreciate the school district for inviting me to tag along for some tours for the day and the balance of my time. I just think it's important to be a broken record again and and bring up 399. Did you talk about 399 while I was
out a little bit? >> We briefly talked about not much. Well, it's important. Um there's some some strong stipulations in there. Any property under 100 acres, which is the vast majority of the properties I think
that we'll see in our county. And um curious to see what we can do to uh make sure that projects that come in um are good projects for our county and how to protect the due process rights of the neighboring properties. since the
language infers that even if the project's not compatible with the neighboring property, those neighbors don't have an opportunity to say anything. >> That's crazy. >> And so due process has seemingly been taken away from those neighboring residents. So, Mr. Go see if if there's
any other details you'd like to to share on that or if you haven't gone through your review of the whole bill. Um uh that's important because it's going to shape how we make uh decisions on projects into the future. I believe >> well I mean it definitely requires more
specific standards when it comes to compatibility. Um, you know, arguably some of some of these standards you've already started because, for example, some of the stuff you've done with PM26 and 40 foot lots
would arguably comply with um with this bill. But then there are some standards that you probably would need to add to your comp plan and land development code dealing with compatibility. And if you're going to deny a project based on compatibility, you certainly have to have more objective standards
under this bill. Um, one of the biggest preeemptions is one that we discussed while you were out, Commissioner, is that you now have to allow mobile homes in single family zoning districts. Um, previously that preeemption only applied
to modular homes and now it applies to mobile homes. So that's a new preeemption. Um, but in terms of in terms of your normal review of MPDs
and resonings, I would say probably the compatibility requirements are the biggest change in the law. >> Do you want to expound on? So is it is it confirmed that um, uh, neighboring property owners, they don't have the opportunity to speak
against the project? No, I there's nothing in there that says that they don't have an opportunity to speak against the project. It's it's more that if you're going to deny the project based on compatibility, it has to be based on objective
standards. Objective compatibility standards. So you can't and presumably if the residents are going to object they would have to be citing your objective compatibility standards when they when they go to object to the
project. So it requires more objectivity when you deny a project based on compatibility. >> It's going to be tough. Yeah. The language that says references to community character or neighborhood
feel are not sufficient in of themselves to support the denial of an application on compatibility grounds gets after the when the neighborhood comes in and says it's not consistent with our our
neighborhood. I mean, that's sort of where in the past you've been able to say that's what compatibility really means. >> That's too far. >> Yeah. >> That's that's the ultimate overreach right there.
>> And it also requires that you have to offer the developer a chance to mitigate for the incompatibility, >> a developer or a builder because that's not going to be a developer. the developer/builder, whoever the applicant is, the we have to offer the applicant
an opportunity to mitigate for the incompatibility. >> Nothing more here, >> Mr. Stark. Um, so I handed you well first I I attended the parks workshop which I thought was excellent and I just
want to say how happy everyone is that we we did that. I No, no one's I don't know who's happier, me or Keith. Probably Keith, but I'm very happy too. Um um this is uh what um
what I talked about yesterday or last at the parks meeting. And Commissioner Oakley, when you get a chance, I'd love for you to read this and I'd love for us to put on the schedule to um talk about our neighborhood parks because that is
another one that um really needs updating. And when our county attorney said, "Oh, this is what everyone else has been doing. You just don't do it here in Pasco," I was agast. But again, >> I did have I did have a sit down meeting with him before I went on my trip.
>> Well, what what's going on here is somewhat of what I think we should be doing here. And I I won't go into it now because it's a long time, but okay. >> Have someone read that to you because I know it's small print. >> Marie's here. If you'll just send it to us. So, um I I and we definitely just like we did the tree ordinance, we need
to talk about our neighborhood parks. Um and then I uh I wasn't going to pull Barbara's how many hundreds of town homes project um because he's already at the finish
line. But I just want to say >> it was 100. >> No, it was 200 or 300. 200. No, it ultimately was 100. I was the wrong number in >> Oh, you gave me the wrong number. Okay. Well, I feel a little better. >> Oh, sorry to bring that up.
>> Um, but still, it's a I think when you see some of these town home neighborhoods, and which David Angel is telling me we're saturated with town homes, and he thinks a bunch of them are going to be built to rent town homes now because there's no one to buy those town
homes. Um, >> yeah. >> I just don't think we're doing a good job on these town home neighborhoods, especially when they're a neighborhood of only town homes. >> Yeah. >> Uh, I don't think it's going to be a pretty look for us, especially all front
loaded. All it's going to be is a street of driveways and doors with no neighborhood community feel. I have already said, I'm going to say it here again. I will not vote for front-loaded a only front hole loaded town home
project on 54. I'm done with it. Y'all want to sacrifice 52 and Wesley Chapel and VP and all that? I don't think you should. I think you guys should get in a car and drive through some of these neighborhoods and see if you like that look for our county because that's
pretty much all we're approving right now. is front-loaded six to a unit town homes. We already said no more eights or or what what is it that we said with eights and that Patrick that's kind of why and I asked Terry to come back but I
guess he didn't see it. What is what are we letting eight eight to uh >> um that's PM26 uh included in some of the I think some of the negotiations for your MPUDS. Um I think we allow them. I think >> my recollection is the band's on eight.
You don't allow eight units. >> Yeah, I I'm not a fan of eight. I'm barely a fan of six. >> Can I say something? >> So, I talked to um >> who was I talking to? It's been such a long day. Was it uh >> Dean? I sent you a picture. >> It was Terry Pedos. And I asked him if
he could make an interactive map where we rolled over it and see what it's entitled for. Because when I was recently looking at a project, it was like apartments, apartments, apartments, apartments. So, but when we look at it, we have no idea what it is. So, that
would be in your case with the town homes. We I asked him, he's like, "Okay, town homes here. Apartments, apartments, single family." >> We don't we just see it. We see it in little snapshots, >> but that would help the whole picture. >> That's what I'm saying. So, that helped by seeing the entire picture. But like
that project, I just I I think this neighborhood park, if we redid the neighborhood parks, it could make a difference in the feel of those kind of neighborhoods. Um, but I'm going to tell you,
I I'm I'm embarrassed for what that's going to look like when we're done. And I will also say this that um I've been finding out as I've been traveling around I I don't know so much in Florida, but I know where my son lives in Connecticut and where I'm just buying
a place out in Utah, no fast food drive-throughs. They don't allow them. They want to have they they do at certain intersections of interstates, you know, where you're going to pull off, you're going to get some gas if you're traveling, but they don't line their roads with with fast food. They
want you to There's mom and pop restaurants all over the place in these places. Um places with character, not Burger King, McDonald's, and and all that stuff. So, if you look at our We only have two roads and we're just lining them the whole way down with drive-thru fast
food. I I I think I don't I just don't like our development pattern. >> Well, let me ask you a question. What do you think about all these apartments? I think there's a place for apartments when they're I think there's a place for density when they're near near a town
center um near near something that needs uh people to support the businesses. Um, it's funny. We we um went to lunch in Newport Richie, downtown Newport Richie today and um my brother-in-law's got his
second apartment building going up the central. The the rest of it's going up and I I know those restaurants in Newport Richie are struggling because they don't have density around there. And so I know they're very excited to see more people moving in downtown that will utilize those restaurants. They're
having a hard time. Um, and so I I go there a lot to try and support them. So I think apartments are okay if they're situated in the right place, but just to put apartments willy-nilly all over the place now. >> Well, do you think we have enough in Trinity and Worley Chapel?
>> It it depends on where they are. >> You don't think we have enough either place? >> Well, are you saying we shouldn't ever allow any? >> Right now we're over supply. >> Oh, yeah. >> Dramatically. I mean, town homes were getting there now, but apartments were over supplied. >> Yeah. So, you don't see any new ones
going up. There's no financing. >> No. And I We have a site in So, you're done with them in Starky Ranch. >> No, I'm not done with them. I think there's places where they may be appropriate. I'd love to see some on 19. I keep hoping for someone to come in on
that that vacant property uh right on our county border. Um it'd be a great spot for for a park. It's already zoned. I just >> D David must come. >> Yeah, I think he was going to say you talk about the planning meth. >> I I just be careful because the DR money the DR money is all the $30 million set
aside is just going to be for sprawling multif family discounted subsidized multif family. That's that's who's going to want those funds and that's what is going to be built. That's why I'm concerned with the housing aspect of the DR funds. It's it has a real potential
to have just as much generational harm as probably more so than good. >> I'm very hesitant. >> Let me give you one second, David. Let me tell you something that that my staff is working on to put together with some of that CBGDR money. Kathy may know this
a little bit, David, but Marcy was the one who really and you know, I sit on the Ahack that uh advisory affordable housing >> advisory committee, >> you know, because every county has to have a commissioner that sits on that. One day I'm going to hand that over to
the staff. I should put you on. >> You have me as your quite often. >> Yeah. So, um, we are putting together a meeting with the TBVBA, uh, builders and developers to offer them the opportunity
to sell a lot or house in their neighborhoods to put into the affordable housing pool. And so, uh, what happens is is, uh, so back in the DRRI days, you're
too young, but maybe Commissioner Oakley will remember this. And you remember We used to exact them. >> Yeah. 10% of your propert 10% of your development had to be affordable housing. And then we we got rid of DRIs and a lot of counties put that back in to their their codes, but Pasco, it's
called inclusionary zoning, right? Inclusionary zoning. So, I've talked to a bunch of the builders and they're willing to they're willing to take a look at this program. So, let's say uh LAR is building a 100 homes. They would
offer up some of their homes. We buy down the cost and those homes stay in a lowinccome pool that um that is regulated by the title company and the property appraiser. We don't have to have anything to do with it. When they
go to sell, there's restrictions on it. So, you would it doesn't look any different than any h other house in the community. Um and the builder and developer doesn't have to really do anything. just that we're we're using
money like the CDBGR money to help a low-inccome family get into a neighborhood that they otherwise couldn't, which is healthy for everybody. So, I'm hoping that can really take off. >> Hi, David Engel, Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. I just wanted to
let the board know that about two and a half weeks ago, I sent out a proposed um bullet list of apartment performance standards and we on your calendar to have 101 ones and it's our intention to bring it forward. Uh all of the criteria
set forth is not arbitrary. It's uh objective criteria and we have a map as to where these apartments could be situated in the county against just building helter skelter. We also have a density bonus incentive built in for
affordable housing without advorum waiverss. So, uh, stay tuned. I'll be in front of everybody by by the end of April. Thank you. >> So, Mr. Ster, you want to talk about your parking a little bit more? >> My what? >> This. >> Okay. If you if you want to go into it, I
>> I think I think it's a great topic. Yeah. >> So, this is the requirements in the town that I just uh got a town home in. But my town home is two to a building, one only one other one. So it it's kind it's nice because they look like they're big
houses rather than a whole row, you know, and you've got a lot more a lot more open space to it. >> Uh somewhere. Yeah. Okay. Um so public public SCA space will be required in each subdivision based on the following
formula which has been prepared providing 3 acres of public space per 100 residential lots or units and 2 acres per 100 commercial lots. Subdivisions with less than 100 residential or commercial units shall
provide dedicated public space on a pro rata basis. When the percentages from the above formula would create less than 2 acres, the planning commission may require that the public space be located at a suitable place on the edge of the subdivision so that additional land may
be added at such time as the adjacent land is subdivided. So you get a big enough piece if it's on the edge that you add the other guy's edge and you get something, you know, very cool that the public can use. You you'll see this in you're going to see public space like
this in um the planning commission may refer such proposed reservations um to the town to the town engineer or town planner for recommendation. Land reserved for recreation purposes shall be of a character and location suitable
for use as a playground, playfield, or other recreation purposes and shall be relatively level and dry unless the town council approves a variation to the following standards on a showing of good cause. Subdivisions will include the following public space amenities or
equivalent. A subdivision between two to 20 lots shall include amenities such as a small park with a community garden or a plaza with a covered seating area. Subdivisions between 21 and 50 lots provide amenities such as a park with
play equipment or a dog walking park or large community garden space with designated plots for residents. Subdivisions between 51 and 75 provide enemy an amenities such as a park with the equivalent of two tennis courts and
a gathering area. Subdivisions with greater than 76 lots shall provide amenities such as a park area with seating, a ball field, soccer, baseball, softball, football or similar and parking spaces. For subdivisions with less than 20 lots
or or proposed in areas with steep slopes where construction of public spaces would be environmentally damaging, the applicant may request a payment in lie of the on-site construction of public space amenities as required in this section. The fee
shall be set at 105% of the cost estimated for the required amenities. The application shall provide a detailed construction cost analysis analysis that shall be reviewed by the town planner and town engineer. All land to be
reserved for dedication to the town for park purposes shall have prior approval of the town council and shall be shown marked on the plat reserved for public park. this provision the provisions of the section are minimum standards and so you can do more but
>> I think we should I'll take a look at it make some comments and bring it back again >> I'd like to hear what other counties have been doing on neighborhood bars >> yeah we took that as an action item from the workshop so we're working on that >> all right anything else >> good
>> all right I'll be super quick >> okay so I went to to the capital with the early learning coalition for children's week. So, uh we did readings throughout the capital. We read to the Senate kids and had really good conversations with our legislators of
the importance of um early learning and the services that these um provide for our low-income families and our kids. So, that was a great trip. And this was our um popup pantry in Hudson. And this was
called Winter Paradise and we are going to be starting to go in there every month. So we fed around 145 families just in this RV park. So um we had a great turnout and they were very appreciative. >> And that's all I have.
>> Wait, Commissioner Joerger and I are going to work on a project. Oh, if you don't mind me saying this, if you remember, you can hopefully don't change your mind. We're gonna work on um uh raised bed gardens at the >> Oh, yeah. >> the Pasco Hope.
And so um we have to get with you and Catholic Charities. But anyone else who wants to help do I may my I may be volunteing, how is that word? Volunting. >> Voluntelling my brother who just is building some in his backyard over over
here off of Rowan um to come help build some for us. >> Oh, nice. >> Yeah. So, I just think that was so good for the the homeless ten that's there to have some gardening going on. >> Okay, county administrator, >> just real quick, I see that Barrett's here, but uh I wanted to congratulate
our public works uh road rehabilitation MSTU team for winning America uh the American Public Works Association's professional team of the year. >> Wow. Why doesn't that surprise me? >> Granford. Again, those guys are out getting it
done and so um it's it's good to see that recognition flow through. >> That is not surprising. Pasco is just brings home the hardware. Yeah. >> Tell you it's a great thing. >> Good out there. >> So, no, that is all. >> Okay. County M County attorney. >> It's a shame we're going to have to
bring back PES if the legislature tax authority. >> Oh god. >> Don't say that three times. >> Don't say that. >> I'm not going to sleep. >> Leave that alone, Mr. Yes. >> All right. Do you have the pictures? So, I don't have pictures. I I'm on
Facebook, but I can't seem to pull them up, but we did a great cleanup over Gulf Highlands Palm Terrace. Um, a lot of trash got pulled away and the team did a phenomenal job on a Sunday. So, thank thanks for all the volunteers. That's vice president of St. Leo. We did the Grow Pasco event, sixth annual at St.
Leo Wellness Center. It was a great greatly attended uh a lot of great sponsors that helped pay for the cost uh supporting the supporting the project and we had a lot of business people that were there from years ago as let's say firsttime new business people and then
coming back to actually help the business grow that that are just getting started as well. So it was really a a nice balanced group that was a lot of great information. Uh they loved it so the team did a great job on that. Um, and we'd have the Chesco Fiesta going on
right now. Uh, that's Adam Shoemaker and Brenda Glass. >> Oh, Brenda. >> Brenda was so surprised. Uh, but two two great uh royalty figures for us through uh next coming years. And that's all I've got. So, we're ajourned. >> Okay.
>> Oh, wait. You want to see it? >> Yeah. >> I just had to stand up. there. >> Okay. Um so so Happy. Part: 2
Thank Hi David, how are you? >> Good morning. Morning. >> Good morning, sir. >> Good morning. >> You're stuck with me again today. >> Yeah,
>> she can fight some more time, honestly. 31 names >> and whatever happened to Smith and Jones, you know, >> good morning, sir. Come on. All right. >> I'm just saying you're good.
Right by like roadway. Okay. Did I meet them before? I had some fac It should be. >> How are you? >> Still vertical. >> Still doing what the ladies tell me.
Thank you, Eric. >> We're going to withdraw C18. How you >> doing? I don't know. I thought I said I'm sure Yeah, that's the >> Where are
All right. >> Go. Would you Oh, that was sent me a picture of me. >> I didn't understand why he sent it to me. >> Well, that's
his number. >> You almost ready? >> I do. >> I had my anniversary Saturday, too. 34 years. Yeah, >> I >> Wait, are you going to have someone? >> No, we're just going to go through it
all. Yeah, you can do all the public comment. >> I'll I'll deal with you to write yours. >> Good morning. I would like to call to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission 10:00 meeting on March 24th, 2026. At this time, please silence all
electronic devices and mute your phones. Please rise for the invocation pledge of allegiance. Good morning. Let's pray. Well, Father, we've come together today for another important meeting with uh so much on the agenda today, Lord. And as
we've gathered part of the agendas to recognize the uh soccer team, Lord, we just uh thank you for them for their efforts that earned them the championship that they're celebrating today. At the same time, there are things on the agenda today that are
focused on safety. There are new stoplights, there are overpasses, uh other things, Lord. We just thank you that uh our vision is to make our county as safe as possible for all of our citizens. So we thank you for that,
Lord. And at the same time, as we've gathered today, we're well aware of the conflict going on in the Middle East and the fact that we've lost uh some of our service people already. So I lift up the families of those service people who
were lost and ask that you just surround them with your arms of comfort. And at the same time, Lord, we are asking for a quick end to the conflict so the rest of our troops can come home. But in the meantime, again, we ask for your arms of
peace and protection around each and every one of our service people, Lord. So be with us today as we've gathered. guide and lead us in the decisions that need to be made, Lord, and uh always be present in our conversation. And I lift
this in your name. Amen. >> Amen. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Mr. Clerk, please call the role. >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley, >> here. >> District two, Commissioner Wakeman, >> present. >> District three, Commissioner Starky, >> here. >> District four, Commissioner Jerger, >> here. >> District five, Chairman Mariano, >> here. Now is a time for public comment. Citizens gi an opportunity to comment
any current or future agenda item coming before the board and on other business under the board's purview. We're going to do a public comment a little bit different today. Uh we know we have a lot of people from Beexley with the rangeland concerns. So what we'd like to do, and I've talked to the
county attorney about this, he'll speak to it in a minute, is we want to hear the public comment from all the other citizens that are here, uh the ones that are online talking about other things. As we finish our business, which will be very quickly where they're going to hear a presentation on Rangeland at that
point in time, I think it'd be best to have the Rangeland people come up and then put their public input and then the board will have a conversation after that. this way you can see the full thing won't just be with all you know what's going to happen etc. You're going to see it hear it and then we'll talk about what what to be done next if you
if you people don't mind. Um so for those that are going to speak first uh we will take public comment for those here in person then we'll take public comment for those who are pre-registered for an online link and currently on Q. When you address the board comments are not directed personally at
a commissioner or team member but directed at the issues. This provides mutual respect with the board members and the public. After stating your name and address for the clerk, a three-minute timer will be activated. A green light will be shown to the podium. After two minutes, a yellow light will indicate you have one minute left. When your time is up, a red light will be
displayed. Three beeps will sound and you should close your comments. Online participants will be disconnected automatically when their time is up. And Mr. County attorney, do you want to speak just to this change just a one time change, not a president? Be ha be happy to, Mr. Mr. Chair. Um the board
can always reorder their agenda. Um the state law with re that requires public comment before taking action on a proposition would be fulfilled uh if you moved the public comment on that particular item to before you voted on
the item. Um, so long as the board consents to the change in their in the rules for this particular matter at this particular time, I think the board is well within its rights to do it as and I had a conversation with both the administrator and the chair yesterday
about this um to take public to do the presentation for the the study for Rangeland and then take public comment from those interested members of the public. Mr. Mr. W. Chair. Mr. W. >> Hey, chair. Um, do we want to do
resolutions first at least with the soccer team though they can get back to school? >> I think those would take quite a bit of time. But but they and everybody can cheer and everybody can cheer for them while they have a crowd. >> So, just something to think about.
>> We can celebrate and then get into the seriousness of of the business. >> All right. I tell you what, fantastic uh achievement for for the Sunlake High School boys. Let's do RS2 first. >> Thank you, chairman. >> Resolution number 26170.
>> Voice come up >> team coach. >> And while they're coming up, let me apologize in advance for pronunciation of names. There are many of them in this resolution. a resolution by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida,
congratulating the Sun Lake High School boys soccer team for winning a state championship. Whereas on February 25th, 2026, the Sunlake Seahawks high school boys soccer team beat the >> No, no, you got to face that
>> Jacksonville Mandarin boys soccer team. >> That's better. >> See, >> now you're on TV here. Whereas on oh February 25th, 2026, the Sunlake Seahawks high school boys soccer
team beat Jacksonville Mandarin boys soccer team 3-2 to capture the class 6A boys soccer state championship. And whereas the Sunlake Seahawks high school boys soccer team finished the 2526
season with an 183 and3 record and earned the first state title in the school history after five state final four appearances. And whereas with a slow start to the season, the Sunlake High School boys soccer team ended up
with 15 straight wins while outscoring opponents 53-4 leading up to the state title. And whereas with only 10 minutes left in the game, Zario Todd,
>> raise your hand. Uh uh corner the corner kicked set uh let's see >> Jared's corner kick set up the game-winning goal from Elliot Hines and
whereas the Sunlake boys uh soccer team is comprised of players Jack Hansick Santiago Vadal >> Mani Aiden Sto Raphael Chang Sebastian
Asantiago Gerald Todd Isaac Sto Ricky Casease Peter Aoyo Jimmy Martinez Halen Ramirez Juan Hernandez Joseph Aoyo Mike Goodnau
Bastian Lenaz Bizaro Trent Hambe Sebastian Supa DeLeon Smith, Chris Maasia, Alicio Kulla Nan, Tut Lamb, Elliot Hines, Trestles,
Edmunds, and Anthony Truglio. And whereas the Sunlake High School boys uh soccer team staff consists of head coach Dan uh Danielle Petopoulos >> statisticians Michael uh Michael
Ftopoulos, Lane Brashier and Alex P. Assistant coaches Will Fopoulos, Nick Creel, >> Diane, >> Nick Pole, and Isaiah Rebeccal. Assistant Manager Will uh Shimato
and team manager Julie Brashier. Whereas the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners extends their congratulations to the Sunlake High School boys soccer team on winning a state championship and wishes them luck in future sessions. Now therefore, be it
resolved by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, that said board hereby congratulates Sunlake High School boys soccer team for winning the class 6A boys soccer state championship. Down and resolved in regular session with a quorum present in
voting this 24th day of March, 2026. Move >> approval. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Okay. >> All right. Congratulations, boys, on winning states. I know um what that takes. I have boys that are competitive. I know
the grit, the determination, the teamwork, the times where you thought you were going to lose and you dug deep and to get it done and what memories you guys made, right? How many of you have made memories to last a lifetime that you'll never forget and friendships and bonds, right? That's what it's all
about. And I'm so proud of you guys. Um I'd like to highlight a few of the players. Um, first team all conference for the SACE. Joseph, tell me if I say your last name wrong. Aoyo Yo, you and then your brother
Peter. >> All right, give it up. I know your mom must be so proud of both of you. And Hiro, congratulations. Uh, second team all conference. Ricky
Isaiah Juan. Congratulations. Oh boy. In the little brother competition. Peter won offensive player of the year. Congratulations, Peter. Defensive player of the year, Elliot. Congratulations. And you guys, none of this would be
possible. And if you could step forward, coach, without your amazing coach, Danielle Fopoulos. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Danielle, you're not done. Stay up here. Stay up here. You're getting some props. Um, I I'm being named the SACE Coach of
the Year. What a huge accomplishment for you. for you boys, your team, the school, our our county. Amazing. And you have also done an outstanding job leading the state championship. Is truly an honor to have someone of your caliber leading our boys in the soccer program.
Danielle played for the University of Florida where she won the 1998 National Championship and still holds the NCA Division One record for goals. In addition, she was a member of the United States Women National Team that won the 1999 FIFA Women's World Cup. We are
incredibly fortunate to have you coaching in our community. And on top everybody, it is her birthday. Can we all sing happy birthday to Daniel? >> All right. Ready? Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear. Happy birthday to you. Congratulations, boys and coach. And if you want to step
behind the podium and uh say a few words. >> Well, before we get to that, let's let the other Mr. Oakley. >> Yep. >> Congratulations guys and girls uh and ladies that we appreciate everything you've done and I I know it's a great
feeling to be a winner. I was part of a team that won 10 football games in one season way back in 1961. So, I know how it feels and that's that memory has stayed with me all this time. So, it's it's a great thing, a great
honor that y'all were able to serve together and you're basically your friends for life. Remember that. Help your friends. Thank you, Commissioner Whitman. >> Thank you, >> Commissioner Whitman. >> Yes. Just honored to have everybody here
today. Players, coaches, parents, guardians, loved ones, brothers, sisters. Congratulations to everybody here. It's a team and family effort and uh coach with a credentials like that. We're sure glad you're helping our kids here in Pasco County. Happy birthday and
um just congratulations to everybody. >> Okay, Mr. Starky. Um, well, I've known Danielle for a while and my daughter Lindsay Jones played um, soccer at River Ridge and was a ranked statewide and ended up playing at the Air Force Academy and marrying, as I told you guys
before, another soccer player at the Air Force Academy was on the national team. So, I understand all the work that you guys have put into this. And Danielle, was it your husband that was my daughter's coach or Yes. that um we used to drive down to UT or somewhere down
there for for training a couple nights a week. So, I'm just you know, we had Mitchell High last year, we have you guys here this year. I mean, this is so awesome for all of us. And I'm sure it has a lot to do with with the caliber of
our coaches here. And so, for you, Danielle, and you coach back there, too. Uh congratulations. And um guys, great work. Um make us very proud. We're so glad that we could honor you here today.
Um, and um, how many of you are seniors? >> Oh, wow. >> Your team next year. >> Yeah. >> We we hope to see you back again here next year. No pressure. >> No pressure. >> All right. If you guys want to go back there and say a few words.
>> Well, I'd like just to add a couple of things. You don't mind? >> Yeah. >> Hey, everybody. Just to say as well, I'd like to like to say great job, great work and coach, I want to work with you. We are on the sports coast and I want to work with tourist development to try to work to
get um let's say plaques with your accomplishments on the fields that you play on. >> Oh, good idea. >> And I think it's a it's a I think it'd be a well a good statement for anybody coming to a park to see these are the champion years, these are the champion teams, etc. So, if you want to work with us, love to make that happen. I think
it's phenomenal. What a great accomplishment, guys. And and as they say, you'll never forget this, so enjoy. Thank you. >> Um, good morning. My name is Haido Todd, uh, one of the four captains here at Sunlake, and, uh, we're just here to thank you guys for all to take the time
to recognize and congratulate our Sun Lake boys soccer team on our 6A state championship. We truly appreciate the support from Commissioner Joerger and you guys' entire office. This achievement means so much to our families, us as players, our school, and ultimately Pasco County. And we're so
grateful to share this moment with you. Thank you again for your support and encouragement. And go Seahawks. >> No. Did anyone else want to speak? Coach, you want to say anymore? >> Come on, coach. >> Come on. Well, um actually I didn't have anything
prepared because I know that you are giving me a lot of the credit, but I can say I've taken over a very fantastic program and uh the boys are the ones who won the game. Hands down. All the games they were on a mission. They were led uh
if our captains would all come out here, I'd like for you to see them. and they made a definitely different statement from years past of how we were going to lead. And um they were the ones that led the boys to the championship.
And then we also had another person we had to give a captain band to cuz he wouldn't keep his mouth shut on the field. And only only if you have a band on are you allowed to talk to the referees. So I wasn't allowed to talk to the referees. They all talked to the referees. And if you did talk to the
referee, you would get a yellow card. So, we didn't want any of that. And I'm I'm very proud of each and every person standing up here, whether you played the whole game or you came in as a sub or at times didn't get to play at all. But it definitely is a team effort as well as
from their parents, which we have a lot of them here. And um as you all know, it comes from, you know, our county, all the our school. We had a lot of support through our athletic program and our principles. So, um, it it takes
everybody to win a championship. So, and thank you all for having us. >> Thank you. And I want to add one more thing. >> Commissioner Jenga is going to come down and take a picture with you. But, uh, Commissioner Starky, I think, uh, coach would be a great speaker for your uh,
committee of a status of woman. I think she would inspire a lot of ladies to do just what you're doing, just getting in there and do what you love to do and do it so well. >> So, >> yeah, we'll get Thank you. I would be honored. And and our superintendent is here as well. Mr. Le, if you superintendent, if you'd come on up here
with us and get in the picture as well, be great. >> All the way back. All right. >> Everybody can see you and find a window. Bear with me. >> I don't want to block anybody. You're not too short.
>> All right. Does everybody have a window where they can see me? >> Tiptoes in the back. >> Can you see him back here? >> All right, everybody. One, two, three. Do the parents want to come up here and
take pictures, too? Come on up. >> Just She's gonna do Yeah, I just asked her to do that. Good. So, parents, you can come take. >> Parents, come on up front if you want to take a picture. >> In the picture. >> Oh, in the picture. So, you're in the >> picture. >> We will be happy to share these pictures
we take as well. All right. Again, make sure you guys can see me. Ready? >> You don't want to be. >> All right. One, two, three. >> Yeah. and go back and work on your grades. >> Yep.
>> Great job, boys. >> We'll be in touch. all the way through champions as we start public comment. Uh Walter Price with the IIAFF420 is here to speak. How's everybody today? Great.
Multiprise address is protected. Good morning, commissioners. I will keep this brief. I know you guys got a packed agenda. Today's an exciting day for Pasco County Fire Rescue and you guys as well. First, I want to thank you all for your time today and your continued focus on public safety in Pasco County. We all
share the same goal, protecting the people who live and visit here. The funding for station 4 is part of a broader effort that we've been working on for years. We haven't been asking for this specific project the entire time, but we have spent years building
relationships, advocating at the state level, and putting ourselves in a position to secure appropriations like this when the need arises. And a lot of that work was driven by our pack and our and our local union 4420.
The men and women of Pasco County firefighters through the firepack and local 4420. We have put in countless hours behind the scenes meeting with legislators, making the case, and staying committed to getting this done. Today, we're proud to be here presenting
this check for just over $3.4 $4 million, not just as funding, but a result of all the work finally coming to life. This funding is a direct investment in response times, firefighter safety, and ultimately the survival of all of our citizens.
When you look at the call volume and response delay, this wasn't a want, this was a need. And because of that effort, we're all now seeing their results. So today, I want to recognize the firefighters, the leadership of local 4420 and our pack for staying focused
and getting this across the finish line. We appreciate the partnership with all of you moving forward and we look forward to continuing to work together as this county continues to grow because at the end of the day, this isn't about buildings. It's about seconds and
seconds saves lives. Thank you. Can I take a picture? >> Well, yeah, we'll come down and take a picture. And I just want to thank you guys for the work you do. Um, as we have to battle with live local, property taxes, etc. You guys carrying that separate separate agenda, bringing it forward to focus on it, laser focus like
you do, and be able to talk about the great work all of you do. Everyone in the audience should know our fire EMS team is the best and we really appreciate the great work you do for us. So that great performance coupled with your great uh advocating has led to this great success. So if the team would all
come up and then we'll go down as well. >> Well, let's see how many are here. >> Let's see how many >> quite a few. >> I think well you want to stay up here. >> I don't sit down on >> We got We got to be tall. >> That's what I would do.
That's what >> Yeah, I got a got a tall one in front of me. >> Morning. Good morning. >> Morning. >> Sorry, Brad couldn't be there. >> Can I get two of you come on this side?
>> So, it's not ready. Everybody can see me. All right. Thank you. >> So they just Somebody take the check. >> Yeah, leave the chat, guys. >> We have one person signed up that's not for the Beexley Rangeland project and
that uh Bruce starts with a B. >> You know, my name is Bumstead 15324 Kerry Lane, Hudson, Florida. I'm sorry I overspoke over you. Could you give us your name again, please? >> Bruce Bumstead. >> Thank you, sir. >> 15324 Kerry Lane, Hudson, Florida.
>> Okay. So, I've been at illegal mining in operations and stuff complaining for eight for eight years now. And it has took a lot. I'm at the Tallahassee level D. I've invited all five of you commissioners to site. I never heard a word back from anybody about the situation. So this mining that's going
on, there's statebound laws now that reply to the fact that they've broken into this landfill. March 27, D is meeting with them for the activity that's going on. And it shouldn't have took me to get a hold of state level Tallahassee to handle this. And I know what's going on here because I'm the
frontage of 173 acre light industrial park that you guys have planned in the whole situation of the light industrial area. And all these old landfills you guys are trying to just make go bye-bye because they've unhalf of them been done illegally and illegally filled and not lined and the different situations that have gone on with the county for the
last 15, 20, 25 years in these landfills that have gone on, you know, and now some of these properties have been being mined for county dirt. The county property is being mined for dirt. The county property still blocked off of the road easement with a fenced off property with a sign for rent. now when they're
not following the laws to be able to come to Legal Rental Center because Bolton Avenue and Little Road is a legal center and they have to do all different kinds of regulations for what you guys have imposed on them. There's a sidewalk that they have to put in. How come there's no sidewalk going to be going in down this property? How come there's no
sidewalk down Bolton Avenue in front of the $14 million auction that took place when Bolton Avenue is one of the deadliest roads for pedestrians in the county? Okay. And I've invited some of our commissioners to invite to come to so they can see the thing in person and
crickets from everybody. So I don't understand you know you guys have come at me from my private road under peac process imminent domain and you've made comments to say well if this he's illegally mining his property that's a whole different set of rules and we have rules on the books for that. Well obviously the rules a half a mile down
the street don't apply because ain't nobody followed them rules for the illegal mining that's been going on. the illegal mining on the property to the next of it where the county came out and looked and seen the big huge hole that was dumped. All the stuff got back filled in it. The state was never notified that any of the illegal mining activities going on. So, there's been a
lot going on in this neighborhood that really needs to be addressed and you guys really need to understand I'm not going away till you resolve it and it's going to get resolved and it's going to get handled properly. You know, state laws that property has to be dirt samples. They spread their contaminated
dirt onto your site, onto your property, onto a different parcel without no soil samples, without any testing, without any permits, without anything. So, that's why I'm here again. And it's it's going to get addressed. >> What's the address again? >> 8969 Bolton Avenue. >> I think I pulled that up last time you
spoke. Yep. >> You can see it right from the >> blatant blatant. So, you know what saying that's why I'm here because this has been getting covered up way too long and the people that know and are involved and know exactly who they are. know exactly who's been covering it up. >> So that's what you meet with Mstead.
>> Thank you. >> Is that all we have? >> Uh again, that's the only other person other than those signed up for item 31 both in person and online. >> Okay. So no one online. Is anyone else in person?
>> I do excuse me. Uh correction on that for one online general comment, >> right? It appears to be though the same subject. >> Same subject for Rangeland >> or >> uh it's same address. Uh >> what's the name?
>> Patrick Briggs >> online. >> Patrick Briggs, you're online. >> Okay. All right. So, we'll close public comment there. Anyone else in the audience that want to speak to something other than other other than Rangeline? Okay. We're going to close public
comment and go to RS2, RS1, resolution, government finance professionals. Resolution number 26168, a resolution by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, declaring March 16th through the 20th, 2026 as
Government Finance Professionals Week in Pasco County. Whereas founded in 1937, the Florida Government Finance Officers Association, FGFOA, serves more than 3,300 professionals from state, county, and city
governments, school districts, colleges, and universities, special districts, and private firms. And whereas government finance professionals play a critical role, crucial role in ensuring the effective and transparent management of public funds, supporting fiscal health
and sustainability of Florida's state and local governments. And whereas the Florida Government Finance Officers Association is dedicated to being a professional resource by providing opportunities through education,
networking, leadership, and information. And whereas Government Finance Professionals Week sponsored by the FG FOA and all its member government organizations is a week-long series of activities aimed at recognizing
government finance professionals and the vital services they provide to our state, local government, and community in which they serve. And whereas government finance professionals serve the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners, promoting prosperity by
ensuring sound fiscal management, fruitful investments, and diligent accounting among many other services. And whereas during this week, government finance professionals throughout the state of Florida will be acknowledged for their hard work, dedication, and
leadership. Now therefore, be it resolved by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, the said board hereby declares March 16th to the 20th, 2026 as Government Finance Professionals Week in Pasco County and encourages citizens to extend
their appreciation to all government finance professionals throughout Florida and Pasco County. done and resolved in regular session with a quorum president voting this 24th day of March 2026. >> Move approval. >> Second. >> All in fair say I.
>> I. >> I. Okay. Commissioner Weman. >> Thank you. It's fitting I get to do this one. With all seriousness, thank you guys for your evolution over well since I've come on the board three years ago and and
finding a way to take a complicated subject and simplify it for us, for me and the public. And um you know, it's tough job. You have five different opinions and money moving around every which way on top of the directors. You
have to you know, try to make sure that they're whole. But, uh it's a tough job. We appreciate you. And um something while you're here, it's it's it's it's pretty neat. I don't know if we've ever done it before, but the online survey uh with the budget with the budget process that the county finance team has
launched online. And maybe Amy will speak to it a little bit um when she speaks. But I encourage anybody who's interested in our county budget and and and wants to add input on how your money is being spent, managed by this board, I encourage y'all to do so. But uh no,
budget team, thank you all for coming here today. It's my honor to present this to you and know that you are appreciated no matter how frustrating or challenging the budget process may be every year. Know that we're very grateful that you choose to do this job
and work for the citizens of Pasco County. Thank you, Chair. >> Okay, Mr. Oakley. >> Yep. Uh before Amy came aboard, uh we had budget Bob. So when Amy came above, I had to come up with some name that would fit Amy to doing the job that Bob
did very well. And so I came up with accurate Amy and it fits. She's she's held up to that that point and done a great job and leadership and all of you are very much appreciated because your job's not easy
and it's always seems like until it hits the end it's a moving target until we get in the right place and it's hard work and I understand. So I appreciate each and every one of you for all the part you take in making our budget right for the citizens of Pasco County. Thank
you Mr. Stucky. Um, yeah. I want to thank you uh for making I think uh the budget easier to see. I'm a visual person. All those numbers make my head spin. But when you do those wonderful graphs, it really um I think helps make
it so much easier to comprehend and just I I love the way you're presenting the budget now. It's just so so wonderful and I very grateful for all the hard work that you do. It's not a job. I could never be in your department,
but I appreciate all the hard work that you do. So, congratulations, >> Commissioner Jagger. >> Yes, you guys definitely deserve this. As soon as you're done with the budget, you go to the next budget. And it's never ending. And as Commissioner Sarky said, it's very complex. And I'm I'm
just going to say a joke that Amy will understand, but if I ever ask a question, her answer is, "Wait, there's a slide for that." So, you guys truly think of everything and you break it down and you make it easy for our constituents and all of us and just
thank you for all your hard work you put in all year round. So, thank you. >> Okay, Mr. Carbella. >> Thank Thank I can hold it. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Listen, um, pursuant to what Commissioner Weightman said, that that budget survey is on our main page on our main website. It'll probably open for
about another two weeks while we take some. But I've always kept the money people close. I actually married one. So, my wife is a government finance professional as well. But, uh, I thank you guys for all that you do. I mean, honest to goodness, you provide transparency, accountability, and always promoting the fiscal responsibility uh
that that goes along with it and trying to make sure that we keep our finances uh right in line and in order and and safe for generations to come. And so, uh I've always said that uh you know, you've really got to understand money in order to make things work. And uh it takes a team to manage that. So, whether
it's our our staff and our fiscal teams, our budget office, or even our partners at the clerk's office, uh you guys do amazing work. So, I thank you for that. And I'll say as as chairman now for the commission and been in Milton since 2004, watching the team evolve over time
has been phenomenal. It just gets better and better and better. What you guys do makes it easy for us. We can ask a question if there's not a slide for it. We'll get the answer. We'll tweak things to to make it all work so we can communicate to our citizens. And that's led to, if you look at all these budget
years, very little people come in to complain about what we're doing. It's more accolades. Even the CIS citizens academy that Commissioner Starky had brought forward, when they look at what we do, they kind of say, "Well, how do you make this happen?" Leadership Asco, same thing. How do they how do they make these decisions to go through? And with
your uh dedication behind the scenes getting it all for us, it makes it easy for us to think make very good decisions. So, thank you for the great work you do, Amy. >> All right. So, um, I figured we had a soccer team here and we were talking a
whole bunch of stats. And if I were to do my due diligence, I should also provide some stats to demonstrate the hard work that happens from um, and this is just a small representation of the Dan wrote it down for me so I wouldn't mess it up. 147 individuals between the
board side and the clerk's office dedicated to ensuring good fiscal stewardship. I'm proud to stand amongst this group of folks here. Um, but in the last year, here's what we've accomplished. 35,123
PECARD transactions, 48,475 invoices processed, 2,843 requisitions, purchase orders, and contracts were processed, 2370 purchase order, contract change orders
were processed. We had to change some stuff. It's okay. 476 budget amendments processed. Oh, if Matt and Richard were here, they wouldn't like this one. 2562 account requests were processed. 132 funds were balanced. And then my
personal favorite, um, so Dan wrote multiple millage rate scenarios calculated, but I'd like to rephrase that. I'd like to rephrase that to somewhere around countless side quests we were sent on.
But in all seriousness, when I come up here and I get to present to you guys, it's not just my team, the budget offic's body of work that I get to be the mouthpiece for. It's everyone standing here across all of the branches. Public safety, development services, internal services, public
infrastructure, public services. It's we all come together every year to make sure that we are getting the most accurate information in front of you guys in an easy to understand manner so you can make the hard decisions that you need to make to make sure our money is working for our citizens and our
stakeholders. It's a group effort. So, as honored as I am to stand here and say thank you for honoring us, thanks for working with us on this. >> All right. >> Good morning. Heather Grimes, chief administrative officer for the clerk of
the court. Um Amy gave great stats. I have a couple too. Um so why Amy gets to help plan and her team. We get to work with a lot of your fiscal teams on the day-to-day. So we are responsible for $2.3 billion dollar. That's a lot. This
is like a massive corporation, right? And a lot of things could go wrong, but they don't because of all these people. Um and that equates to 2700 transactions every single day in this county um to run the business. So um
thank you for your recognition. Um th this group of individuals and the ones that are still in the office is doing the work. Um they are great stewards of the p the public's money and um we appreciate their work every day and thank you for recognizing them. >> A pleasure,
>> Mr. Chairman. If I could. >> Sure. Um, as many of you know, I've been around a while and um, I have watched the relationship between the clerk's office, having been on both sides of the equation at different times, cussing the
clerk's office and uh, uh, about not being able to get things through and whatever. I can say though that I believe I cannot say that I've ever seen the cooperation and interaction as good as it is the nowadays. then it is truly
a team and um I'm my hats off to y'all because as was said before I wouldn't do it. Uh I I wouldn't sit in front of a tube doing that stuff all day. But uh congratulations to y'all. >> Okay. >> All right. Um Commissioner Weman, you
want to go down to the picture? We'll stand back up here. Come on up this way. Every group today been large. >> I know. >> Four people in front. I'm used to it. >> Thank you. You knew what I was in. a window shot. >> You heard my window comment from
earlier. >> Ready? Three, two, one. >> Halfway there. Now, time for a consent agenda. Um, we have a few polls. Uh, withdraw on C15,
withdraw C8, withdraw C18, and I have pulled C5. Um, are there any other polls for the consent agenda? >> Okay. have a motion to approve approval of all the other items on the consent agenda. >> Second.
>> All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Okay. And C5, um, >> I know Superintendent Lakes here with his team. Uh, there's a resolution for a question to be placed on the ballot November 3rd, 2026. General election is directed by the school board. I thought
it'd be great if Superintendent Lake would just speak to it so that everyone would be better informed about it. So, thank you for coming, Superintendent. Thank you, county commissioners, and thank you for having us here today and bringing this uh resolution up to put on the ballot. Uh just to kind of refresh
your memory, I know many of you know it quite well. Uh I can't believe it's been uh almost four years already, but approximately three three years ago, uh this board uh uh ratified a resolution from our school board to put on the ballot uh a a resolution in order to use
local millage money to enhance our teachers salary. uh state statutes require it to be re to come up to if it's to be renewed, it must be renewed every four years. So, we are here in 2026 to place it back on the ballot with uh with your approval here today. Um
just to give you a little overview of where we are and where we've come from. Uh if this uh if this referendum were not to go into effect, were not to be passed, uh it would result into a net cut of our teacher salary and support
personnel across the board of approximately 12%. So approximately 12% of our teachers, bus drivers, food, nutrition services, maintenance, custodial uh uh individuals are are based upon this uh resolution that's
before the voters. Where how effective was it? You know, we are now in year three. How effective was it? And if you if you look in the slide in front of you, and I'll get really to the heart of the matter. Uh the year before this resol before this was in effect uh
approximately uh a week into the school, we had 314 teacher vacancies. That's 314 classrooms that started the year without a teacher. Because of this resolution and the the ability to pay our teachers
more, we were able to reduce that down uh all the way down to this year at the start of the school year of 50 55 classrooms. Of those 55 classrooms, most of those are or a significant number of those are really the targeted hard to
fill classrooms such as children with special needs. our traditional instructional classrooms. We're seeing a significant uh uh ability to fill those classrooms as well. But it's not just our teachers. If you look one slide further, just our custodial vacancies,
the individuals that clean our schools and keep them clean and safe, sanitary for our students. Prior to school starting, uh prior to this resolution uh going into effect three years ago, we had 80 80 vacancies. you will see that's
down to 15 and of those 15 that's just normal turnover of any given time where we're fill uh you know filling up the slop. So it had a dramatic dramatic decrease on it. What is different now than uh three years ago is that our our
friends and neighbors to the south of us have passed resolutions as well. we were able to begin to and I don't want to say steal teachers from Hillsboro and Penllis County. Um, but we were we were able to attract teachers from Hillsboro
and Penllis and our our principles are telling us that they were recruiting and we were being successful and having individuals that were perhaps were living in Pasco but were teaching across the county line. They were coming home coming home to where they belong here in
Pasco. But since that time, Hillsboro last year, Hillsboro and Panelis both have uh added a a a millillage and have increased their teacher salaries. We are concerned that if this resolution were
not to be adopted by you and the voters come November, it would put us at a real competitive disadvantage where our neighbors to the south would be once again poaching our teachers. But this is not just about putting teachers or
bodies in a classroom because we are able to make gains. We are now able to increase the quality of our teachers. We're able to basically go in and not just we need a body into the classroom. We are able to increase that quality. We're able to do professional coaching
and ensure that those teachers that are in in front of our students are the best and that our teach our students deser and those students here in Pasco do deserve the best. and that is the direction that we're going. So without taking up too much of your time, that is
an overview of where we are with this resolution. Um we are making great gains. We are seeing huge academic improvements this year as a result of that teacher quality increasing. We're excited about the opportunity of what this year's results will will come out
and we do not want to lose momentum. Uh we know that the number one factor or a one of the number one factors of when people move to Pasco or businesses move to Pasco, one of the first questions they always ask is what is the quality of the schools that we're moving into.
With this, we're able to say our quality is is high quality and improving. So, >> and Superintendent Le, I greatly appreciate you coming forward. uh this was a consent so everybody agreed with it wanted to support it but I just thought it was good if the public could
see that and I think your words today uh really resonate I think would resonate well with with everyone else um it's just so important to have good teachers and to have that supply we've gone through we've had the same struggle between firefighters deputies as well so we we know we understand what your
battle is and uh seeing the great success you've had I think just like Penny for Pasco is going to say okay it worked let's go do it again so thank you Commission Ago. >> Yeah. I just I have a comment. I was going to ask you a question then I saw no joke, but you had a slide for that. But just to show just to show the
public, you know, show them your slide that shows really how how much these these instructional assistants and and the um all these that sports staff make. It's it's not a whole lot. So, if you took that that money away, they'd really
be hurting. So right now for a custodial in Pasco 1671, right? But some of them without that raise they were down to like 134 an hour. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean it would be detrimental to their household.
>> Yeah. And and it' be remiss to say that you know the school district we are the largest employer here in Pasco County. So this is money that's going back into the wallets of the individuals here. the and I'll you know clarify so you know you know this already but just there it does not go to administrators it does
not go to the so-called district office it goes to our our individuals that are in in front of our students helping our students our bus drivers food nutrition services our classroom teachers our custodians those that are you know in in the daily operations working with our
students >> thank you Mr. Sure. >> Um good morning, John. Um I am um very happy to be able to vote to put this back on the ballot and let our um residents decide and I have no doubt that they will support the school system
as they did before. I think you had pretty good numbers four years ago. >> Close to 60%. Yes. >> So um is that what is do you need just 51 plus one? >> To be specific, we need 50% plus one. >> Plus one, right? 50 plus one. >> Don't forget the plus one. And it's
unfortunate that you have to go back every four years whereas the penny you know we got to go to 15 years but uh you're right uh the communities only is you know having a qual quality school district is so important for community
and you guys are doing a great job. So >> thank you. >> Good luck with that. >> Mr. Roley. >> Yeah. I also am very much in support of uh putting this back on the ballot for you and we'll be voting for it because it is very important that we keep education as high as we can for our
citizens and our our students of those citizens that that live here in the county. So I know they've done a great job all this time, but I don't want to see go backwards. We need to go forward. So very very important to have this out there. Thank you. >> Okay, Commissioner Whitman.
>> Slightly different off topic. I don't think you have to worry about this, but while you're here, uh, you want to share about the America 250 scholarship? >> Oh, anytime I can talk about civics, I I love that opportunity. >> People here and the seniors since we had a bunch of a bunch of kids here today, but figuring to give you some air time.
>> Well, well, thank you for that softball across the plate. I appreciate that. No. Uh uh America 250, as you know, we're celebrating our 250 year as a country, but it it's just real important to me as as a history and government teacher that we pause and recognize the importance of
civics's education. And the school district is really doing a a kind of I think a one-of-a-kind thing here in the c in the state. Uh we we have a multi-prong approach to promote civics. Uh the first thing that we do, every student, which is a little odd that the legislature would do this, but every
high school student is required to take a civics test, but they're not required to pass a civics test. So the passing rate of state of Florida for high school civics is about 44%. Pasco County, we're at 51%. So we're doing better than the
state average, but I'm sure you're like me. 51% is not good enough. uh in in a day and age of civics. So, we're looking at ways to incentivize civics, promote civics uh in our schools. So, we have an approach. One of the first things that we're doing, we're the first state uh
first county in the state that any student that passes the uh the the civics exam this year in graduation, they'll be getting a red, white, and blue tassel to signify visually that they have passed civics. uh there in addition to what all of our schools are going to be kind of uniformly doing in
terms of promoting civics uh this next school year when it starts after the 4th. But we also have a scholarship that we've started a Florida civics scholarship where an individual that uh is we will be giving them paid for by Florida prepaid scholarship an
individual that is going into the world of civics and I use the use the word world of civics meaning public service. Um, often times public service is denigrated. I think we need more young people to go in public service. I think it's noble for young people to want to
get engaged in government to make our country better. And so we want to recognize those young people that are wanting to make a difference in this world. And we are going to be selecting a an individual who is going into civics and giving them a two-year scholarship
paid for by the Florida Prepaid Scholarship Program. In addition, just because civics is a passion of mine, I'm a a teacher. We're starting a really the first of a kind of a a Florida civics leadership program here where we will be
teaching American federal government and state and local government through USF at a high school level where we will have you, many of you have already spoken to me. Miss Commissioner Weightman said he is wanting to come to be part of the class where we'll be teaching about federal and state local
government over a year getting them engaged in government both at a state and local level. And because it's committed that's my area and passion. I I'm a certified teacher in high school and state and state and university college. I'm going to be teaching that class for the inaugural year uh all year
because why? Because our young people need to get engaged in civics. So thank you for that. that softball and promoting civics in our in our schools. >> You you want to touch on the parameters what the kids need to do? >> Yeah, they they want they need to they
basically need to uh write a 20 250word essay, submit it to us, and then they have to pass show us that they've passed the Florida Civics Literacy Exam. We're trying to incentivize students to take this high school civics course seriously and to pass it. Um and we're looking at
ways to uh incentivize that. >> Okay. Commissioner Stark, >> um, you know, we've taken what actually I've brought over from the school district, the citizens academy. I don't know if we're still doing it over there. Um, here because where where do people learn how local government works? Um,
and where how many classes are we up to now, Mike? >> In terms of So, we're doing we do one Thank you. >> We do one per year, but we're we're starting to have a backlog, which might mean we might move to two or three a year. >> No, but how many seg you know, how many times? Oh, I think I'm sorry. It's it's
eight, I believe. You might know better. >> Yeah, there's a it's 11 11 weeks and we do two classes a year. >> Yeah. And we do we do do it two times a year. Um and um and they're full. >> Yeah. >> Uh and so we're trying to educate our community on how their government works.
So, so important what you're doing. I remember when I was in high school, we had American, what was it? >> America versus communism. >> Communism. Is that what it was called? >> Um I don't think they do that anymore. know, but um I love what you're doing. So, if I can be involved, I'd be happy to. >> Commissioner,
>> and um my offer stands. If you have any of your kids in civics that would like to learn about local government, I would love to have them shadow me for a day. >> We will. We will absolutely. I And just say I know a a great former house speaker who actually co-ees me with one
of those classes by the name of Chris Rouse, who's actually been helping me teach some. supplement. >> I want to say um you know having you at the helm for education is is a great asset for Pasco County. I think you're going to do a phenomenal job. I know you're doing a phenomenal job and it's going to get better and better. Uh my two children benefited greatly under
your leadership and uh they're doing fantastic. So thank you for all you're doing for everybody. >> Well, thank you guys. Thank you. >> All right, we have a motion. >> Uh move to approve. Second. Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Okay. All right. Thank you again for coming on. All right. Now
we're going to go to a presentation for Reland. >> Your other poll items. >> Uh they're all withdrawn. >> Oh, they're sorry. >> So, we're going to do the presentation. So, everybody that's in the audience is going to speak to it. Make your notes,
make your thoughts. Um after the presentation, we'll bring you up to be able to speak to it. >> And your R31 is to be heard this afternoon, >> right? >> Or our R30 is to be heard this afternoon. So 31 would be the next one on the agenda. >> Yes.
>> Good morning commissioners, honorable honorable members of the board. My name is Panos Conces. I'm the interim transportation engineering director and I'm also the project manager for the county for this study. Um believe it or not, it took us three years to to get in
front of you. This study started in March 2023. That shows the depth of thought and work that went into this study. We also conducted an extensive public involvement program. We conducted one public workshop as a regularly scheduled
meeting and one extra public workshop that was not in the scope because of the request of local communities so they could provide more input. We also conducted several small community meetings with community
representatives. Uh I'm confident that the recommendations that we will present to you are reasonable, are sound, and maybe some people here won't agree with me. They will serve best the the interests of the
local communities and also all the citizens of Pasco County. With that, I will introduce Mike Campo. >> And if I could. >> Yes. I just want to I just want you to know I don't think anybody's mad about what's there. I mean there were
presentations done. The thing is a fourth it an agenda item come out as far as a recommendation to go forward. So don't take it as something that they're combative to it. They're just and and I think everyone was very happy that and they're very well attended the two public hearings you had which is more
than we normally do. But we just need to make sure we get this thing right. They're concerned. We're concerned. So, it's just like you did a great job putting it together, but we just need I think we just need that extra level of public input before we, you know, go down the road with it. So, don't be
don't be offended by everything. >> I'm not offended. >> Yeah, we want to get it right. So, you you're doing a great job. Your team is doing a great job. So, >> no, no, good. >> I completely understand that the local agency have to feel comfortable with the decisions being made made and that's why we're here. We are being transparent. We
were very informative throughout the process and we were very open to suggestions. So you know we are here to serve the community the best we can. So I will let uh my campo he is the project manager for the consultant uh go through the presentation and then after we hear
the comments from the public we will address the uh any questions you may have. >> Thank you. >> Just one more comment. The recommendations you will hear today are for the year 2050. So it's not about addressing whatever is congestion is
today. It's projecting in the future because and I'm saying this because some people say well 54 is not that bad today. You know I can get in and out of my house today but imagine 25 25 years from now what's going to be. So these recommendations are for 2050 and this
project will take at least six years to get built. So with that comment I will let Mike go through the presentation. Thanks. Do I advance the slide here? Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, commissioners. Thank you,
Panos. The study begins at the existing east terminus of Rangland Boulevard. >> Can you introduce yourself just for the purpose? >> Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm Michael Campo. I'm with the consultant KCA who was hired by the county to conduct the Rangeland uh grout study and pond sighting analysis report.
Uh so the study begins at the east terminus of Rangeland Boulevard which is at Cattlegap Trail. It extends 3.4 miles to the existing roundabout of Beexley Village Drive. The proposed alignment crosses the existing Sunost Parkway approximately 1 mile north of the State
Road 54 interchange which is the only existing Sunost Parkway crossing in the nine miles between Loots Lake Fern Road and Ridge Road. The proposed improvements evaluated in this study improve mobility, safety,
emergency access, and connectivity for vehicles, bicyclists, and pedestrians. The improvements include both a new roadway and an extension of the orange belt trail. Advancing these.
The improvements evaluated in this study have been included in the county's comprehensive plan since 2006. Planning for the new east west roadway was also included during the planning of the Starky Ranch, Atoria Preserve, and
Beexley Village master planned urban developments. The proposed improvements will primarily use land dedicated to Pasco County during the development of these communities. The study evaluated multiple build alternatives along with a no-build
alternative. Build alternative A includes four lanes, two in each direction throughout the study limits and no interchange ramps connecting to the Sun Coast Parkway. Build alternatives B and C included four lanes from Cattle Gap Road or Cattlegap Trail
to South Branch Boulevard and six lanes from South Branch Boulevard to Beexley Village Drive. These alternatives include interchange ramps connecting to the Sunost Parkway. Build alternatives A, B, and C include
on street bicycle lanes, a pedestrian underpass at the Anklo River crossing, and an extension of the orange belt trail on one side of the new roadway with a sidewalk on the opposite side. The preferred alternative was developed primarily from alternative A along with
elements of alternatives B and C and input from the public. The preferred alternative proposes four travel lanes throughout the study limits. It includes an overpass crossing the Sun Coast Parkway. The preferred alternative does not include interchange
ramps connecting to the Sun Coast Parkway, but it can accommodate them in the future. And it includes an extra wide median that can accommodate one future travel lane in each direction between South Branch Boulevard and Beexley Village Drive. This is in the
same way you might pre-wire your living room for surround sound in the so that you can connect it in the future. This extra wide median is designed to avoid waste and reconstruction if the county decides at some point in the future that interchange ramps are are necessary or
desired. The preferred alternative further enhances multimmodal accommodations that were provided in alternatives A, B, and C by including trails on both sides of the road throughout most of the project and a trail and a sidewalk everywhere else. And it also provides a second
pedestrian underpass in addition to the one at the Ankllo River uh and east of the Beex to add one east of the Beexley Village Drive roundabout. off here. Whoops. The preferred alternative was developed with input from the public at two public
workshops. One was held on January 30th, 2025, and another was held on May 1st, 2025. We received 330 comments that were received and recorded for the record. The most common concerns expressed by the public included pedestrian safety,
particularly for school children on the way to and from school, increased vehicle speed and traffic volume, Sunost interchange impacts, neighborhood connections to Rangeland Boulevard, and the existing Beexley Village Drive roundabout being converted to a
signalized intersection. All build alternatives are consistent with the county's long range transportation plan and accomplish the purpose and need for the project. The no build alternative does not accomplish the purpose and need and is not consistent with the county's longrange
transportation plan. All build alternatives require rideaway to be acquired for a portion of the roadway, storm water ponds, and floodplane compensation sites. The build alternatives each impact 19 parcels and none require any businesses or residences to be relocated. Alternative
A requires a total of 66.52 acres of rightaway to be acquired while alternative B requires a total of 71.34 acres and alternative C and the preferred alternative each require a total of 72.42 acres of rideway to be acquired. Alternative A is has an
estimated construction cost of 95.8 8 million and an estimated total cost of 145.5 million. Alternative B has an estimated construction cost of 105.4 million and a total cost of 159.54 million. Alternative C, an estimated
construction cost of 102.3 million and total cost of 155.5 million. And the preferred alternative has an estimated construction cost of 116 million and a total cost of 181.4 million. The no build alternative has no cost other than just routine maintenance by the county
or county property. Alternative A impacts 200 or 24.11 acres of wetlands. Alternatives B and C and the preferred alternative impact 26.38 acres of wetlands. All build alternatives have a high potential to increase noise. A noise study report was completed and
noise walls were found to be feasible and reasonable in one location along uh Rangeland Boulevard west of South Branch Boulevard and one location on Beexley Village Drive south of Rangeland Boulevard. The route study and pond signing
analysis reports report recommends the preferred alternative. It is propos it proposes a four-lane road from Cattle Gap to Beexley Village Drive and can accommodate future widening if needed. It does not include a recommendation to construct an interchange with the Sun
Coast Parkway. It provides trails on both sides of the roadway for the project for most of the project and provides a trail and a sidewalk everywhere else. It proposes two pedestrian underpasses and four roundabout controlled intersections. From Cattlegap Trail to Lake Point
Parkway, the preferred alternative includes four 11oot travel lanes separated by a 22 foot median with 5ft bicycle lanes, a 5-ft sidewalk on the north side, and a 12ft trail on the south side. from Lake Point Parkway to South Branch
Boulevard. The preferred alternative includes four tra four 11oot travel lanes separated by a 22 foot median with 5ft bicycle lanes, a 12ft trail on the north, and a 12ft trail or 5ft sidewalk on the south. From South Branch Boulevard to the Sun
Coast Parkway, the preferred alternative includes four 11oot travel lanes separated by a 44 foot median with five foot bicycle lanes, 12ft trail on the north side, and a 12ft trail on the south side. If needed in the future, this section can have one additional
travel lane in each direction added within the median. That would result in six travel lanes separated by a 22-ft median with bicycle lanes and trails on both sides. The preferred alternative includes a pair of two-lane bridges to cross the
Sun Coast Parkway. Four uh they they each would have they would have a total of four 11oot travel lanes with 8'4 in shoulders that can accommodate bicycle traffic, a barrier separated 12T trail on the north side and a barrier separated 12ft trail on the south side.
If needed in the future, the two bridges can be connected within the median to provide one additional travel lane in each direction and a 22 foot raised median. From the Sun Coast Parkway to Beexley Village Drive, the preferred alternative includes four 11oot travel lanes that
are separated by a 44t median with 5ft bicycle lanes, a 12oot trail in the north, and a 12oot trail on the south side. Similarly, if needed in the future, a one one travel lane can be added in each direction within the median. This would result in six travel
lanes separated by a 22ft median with bicycle lanes and trails on both sides. For approximately 2,000 ft east of the Beexley Village Drive uh intersection, the preferred alternative reconstructs Bud Beexley Parkway to accommodate a new
pedestrian underpass and uh transition back to match the existing roadway. This segment includes four 11 foot travel lanes separated by a 22 foot median with five foot bicycle lanes, a 12-oot trail on the north side, and a 12-oot trail or five foot sidewalk on the south side.
The route study and pond sighting analysis report out of order here. The route study and pondight analysis report recommends six floodplane compensation sites and eight storm water mitigation ponds. The flood plane compensation sites require 26.64
acres of rightaway acquisition and the storm water mitigation ponds require 19.44 acres. The preferred alternative impacts 26.38 acres of wetlands. It impacts 19 parcels and requires acquisition of 26.34 acres
of rideway for the roadway, 19.44 acres of rideway for storm water ponds and 26.64 64 acres of for flood plane compensation sites for a total of 72.42 acres of rideway acquisition. It was estimated that the construction
cost for the preferred alternative will be 116 million. The wetland mitigation cost will be 7 million. The rideway acquisition will be 23.6 million for a total cost for the preferred alternative to be 81.4 million.
Finally, in summary, the preferred alternative is recommended because it is consistent with the county's long-range transportation plan. It provides the greatest potential for congestion reduction. It provides the best pedestrian and bicycle facilities. It provides the most potential safety
enhancement through congestion reduction and potential and pedestrian and bicycle facilities. And it avoids unnecessary roadway and bridge construction if the county decides in the future to construct interchange ramps with the Sun Coast Parkway. Uh this is the slide that highlights the
the uh recommended storm water and floodplane compensation sites that I mentioned. Uh and that that concludes the presentation. Thank you. >> All right. Questions from the board. Commissioner Waitman. >> Thank you. Thank Mr. Campbo for conversation. The piece of this I've talked with
Carbala and other professional staff. Maybe you panos. I'd like to get clarity on the gun highway intersection because this is all for nothing if that intersection is not improved. Right. Correct. That's just basically the layman's my layman's terms
of it. >> Okay. >> So if we if we don't we embark down this the road for this project if gun and 54 is not improved the whole thing has the potential to be a cluster from what I'm understanding.
So I'd like to get clarity on that section of road. >> Thank you commissioner for the comment. Um the traffic analysis is based on projection of traffic for 2050 and as we all know projections are just that
projections. Okay. So, and based on the projections, the no build condition for gun highway in ST 54 is at level of service F for 20150. And the average
delay is 105 seconds in the morning and 134 seconds in the afternoon peak hours. Now, for alternative A, because this is what we're talking about today, alternative A, alternative B is not right now a consideration. It's
alternative A. So for alternative A, the delay in the morning is going to jump from 105 average seconds on average to 111 just three addition six additional seconds and in the PM is going to
increase from 134 seconds to 142 just 8 seconds. now 8 seconds. You know, uh most in most signalized intersections along State Road 54, most traffic has takes about two cycles to clear because
the average cycle is from between a minute and a half to two minutes. So this delay is very normal for that kind of intersection. Now if we go back to two thou to the alternative B where of
course the volumes will will be higher on Rangeland Boulevard and then the conditions on on Gun Highway and Straight 54 will become yes m much more congested. Then we will assess the conditions then because remember traffic
shifts when you build a new road. You may project something today but the actual data will show us where the traffic is gravitating. based on the new road then we will assess the conditions on gun highway state 54 and then in conjunction with the FDOT because state
road 54 is a state road we will determine the best solution for that intersection and that again if and when the that in the interchange is built you know that's not right now in the picture also
the experience shows that when drivers experience congestion at an intersection and there alternative routes, they will gravitate to less congested route. For example, if they find that making a left turn from going east on uh State 54 to
turn left on Gun Highway is takes too long, they can drive down and make the left on Lake Point or even farther down on South Branch Boulevard. So there are there will be alternatives for those drivers to make choices. Okay.
>> All right. Thank you. The question. All right. Let me ask a question then. Um, so the turnpike authority, we've had struggles with them in the past. Other counties have had overpasses. We're spending5$10 million on overpasses now.
Um, we had the Ridge Road interchange that was going to be built. We had to battle with that going through. I've looked at stuff up in Hudson to try to do connections. Hudson Avenue, they're supposed to be looking at that. Haven't seen much of that lately. We looked above that before where the schools are. That was looked at, but
just didn't didn't want to go through with it. I'm concerned what they would do here. And I'm concerned that you don't know what they want to do here to show the people what would h happen in the future. And you could do a very simple interchange like a loose lake
fern or they could demand they want the full interchange like they get everywhere else. I think those details need to get looked at closer because if you're setting up all the rightway and you're going to go through it, you want to know what's going to come. At least present to the people what they're going
to do. I don't like the uncertainty of dealing with the territory. Let's look at the whole thing now. Even if it's phase one and phase two, we should look at it now. And if it can be built in just the one phase as opposed to the second phase and it gets acceptable to
the people, it may be a better way to go. But you don't know that. And that's what what's got people angst about it because you're saying you're not going to build it, but you're going to build the infrastructure so it's easy to build later on. And that's I think where the big heartache is. So what you're trying to do is like accommodate to what they
want to do but you're not getting to the details and you get another entity to deal with which you can't control. You can't get them on paper and or you haven't got them on paper yet to figure out what they're going to do what they're going to ask for because if they just allow a simple in and off you know right turn in right out right out or if
they want the fullness change it's going to be a big difference. And I don't think they want to go through another set of construction. We see Orlando they do it all the time. I don't think we want to do that here. We did it at State Road 56. We They were going to go put one lane in. We We got two with the infrastructure in place to make the next
one coming up nice and easy. So, I think what you've done is great. I think it's great that you've done all the public input. But I just think it's early and and I think the uncertainty what the turnpike authority would tell you to go do later in 2050, whatever it is, is something that needs to be addressed and and vetted out.
>> Okay. So, here's some background information. uh the Tur Park authority prepared a PDN study for the widening of Sun Coast and as part of that is from uh uh Gun Highway to State Road 52 I
believe for widening uh Sun Coast. Now, as part of that PDN study, they also addressed the interchange at on Ridge Road and the reason was that so they have an approved document so they can take action whenever it's necessary.
Doesn't mean that they approve the the interchange so they can build it tomorrow. >> Did you mean to say uh Rangeland? You said Ridge Road. >> Sorry, Rangeland Boulevard. Thank you for the correction. Yes, Rangeland Boulevard. So
uh so in our communication with turnpike again and again and again they stated to us that this is a countydriven project the interchange this is we are not going to build an interchange unless the
county is cooperating and is asking us to do the interchange. So they and again that will be when we go to the turnpike and say we want the interchange then they will have to do a cost benefit analysis to see if it's
beneficial for them to make the investment to build the interchange. So it's not a given they have approved the interchange through the documentation process but that's not something that's the interchange is guaranteed there. It's something that we will have
actively to go and engage the intern pike for it to be built >> and just like I went to down the road twice with them didn't get it done and maybe the second one does get done but again that uncertainty of what's going to happen is I think with with the big angsters and I think they need to be at
the table to figure out what they're going to do before we make the step of what we're going to go do. >> Mr. Turkey, >> I'm a little frustrated because you're the one that pushed for the interchange at the Sun. >> I am, but you got to get the right details. >> Uh, but I I think that we saw uh in the
um in all the work that we've done over the years, what that interchange will look like if and when it comes. Didn't we didn't they do a design for Right. Yeah, >> there is a design already for it if and when we connect. I this this road has
been planned since I moved to Pasco County 34 years ago. Um it's not a secret. It's vital. When I was just looking at our at our members 600 what 650,000 people we're at now we have two
east west roads. I mean, if you recall, DOT came to me when this was uh when this is in my district, when the whole thing was in my district, and said, "Please, please accelerate this. Get this in your 5-year plan because we need help on State Road 54." So, um, you
know, I was and still am for the full interchange connection, but, um, I'm willing to go along and say, let's just get over 54 now and reserve the right to connect. I think there will come a time
uh, that we will need to connect, but for now, I think this is a great um, compromise. I can tell you that the people in Starky Ranch uh came to me and they want the connection to the Sun Coast. I mean, who wants to drive?
>> Please, please do not comment. You'll have >> Maybe some don't, but many do. And there are other neighborhoods around the area that also would like to not have to drive State Road 54 to get to the airport. Um, if you remember when the oil truck spilled and State Road 54 was
closed down for most of the day. So, this is this is an extremely important road that's been planned for decades. >> Um, and I think you've done a great job in designing it and you know, we'll let it'll be a future board. Maybe some of
you will be here when when when and if we do uh connect to the Sun Coast. Um, but for now uh you know, we just we have to move forward. I'm sure it'll be years before we build this, but we still need to move forward. Commissioner,
>> yeah, and I know the residents love option A, you know, in the the original drawing. Um, I'm glad you touched on the point because I was going to touch on it that FDOT doesn't have the authority to go ahead and and make the connection. And I
understand that widening the road, you know, you do it once because it's cheaper, doesn't necessarily mean the um extension's going to go in. But I think getting getting the road done,
completed, and having the infrastructure there is important. Um but I do hear the residents when it comes to they don't want a big interchange in their in their community. And um can you tell us like how many years are we are we looking at
>> um for for all of that? >> So we have funded the design for fiscal year 26 actually this year. Uh we are a bit late because of the additional public involvement we had to uh go through. So probably the design is going to happen in fiscal year 27. We have
budgeted right of way acquisition for fiscal year 27 also. So that's probably going to go a year later fiscal year 28. Now we don't have extensive right ofway acquisition. So we allowed two years gap between right ofway acquisition and construction which is fun in fiscal year
29. So we think we can take care of the right of way acquisition be before fiscal year 29 and start the construction in fiscal year 29. I think the commissioner though is asking about the connection to the interchange >> if it ever even
>> well uh according to turnpike uh authority they said that that the projection shows that that may be needed after 2040 year 2040. So >> but again it would have to go to a future board to even make that remotely
possible. >> It will have to be initiated by us. We will have to go and tell intern we want the interchange and then we we will collaborate and see if they can add it to the work program because it takes they will have to it will take money to build the interchange. So they will have
to program it in the work program and on our part you know we will engage local community have like the the board at the time will have you know maybe advertise for the public hearing public meeting uh and have engage the community ask their
input at that time we will have more accurate projections for the traffic volumes so we will know what's going on on Rangeland Boulevard on state 54 so we will have a better picture on what's going to happen and then we will make the decision. That's our recommendation.
>> All right, Commissioner Oakley. And then we're going to go to public comment. >> Okay. Um I I support improvement of these infrastructure and the roadways uh moving across east and west, north, south uh throughout our whole county. I've even made suggestions at other
meetings that we do vision roads. They're not even planned yet to be done, but they're there. But we need them for our citizens to be able to move throughout their communities and travel without being in congestion like pitch 4 gets. This will alleviate some of the
issues. It'll take some of that pressure off pitch four and allow people to move east and west also in a different route, but it helps us all with the new vision roads and all throughout our county. I mean, nobody want that. I'll take it over on the east side. I can tell you
cuz I I need it because there's a lot of traffic coming over in that area too. So, it's very important for infrastructure for our citizens and we've got to be very mindful of our citizens. This is money that we have to look at and be sure we make the right
move to uh provide roadways and ways for them to travel throughout their communities without a lot of congestion. >> Okay, we're going to go to public comment now. Um do you have Liz to go first? I know Jane Graeme is representing. Maybe she should go first and then maybe Dr. Blanco and a civic
association person after that and then we'll take the regulars. And if I could for everybody that's going to speak uh we need your name and address for the record and if you could if you need three minutes take three minutes but if you don't need it let the other person go to save time and get the other inputs
in as well. >> Good morning commission. My name is Jane Graham and I'm an attorney and owner of Sunshine City Law representing Beexley Community Development District. My address is 16703 Early Riser Avenue,
sweet 272 Lander Lakes, which is in Beexley. Beexley CDD has always been supportive of the Rangeland Boulevard extension through proposed alternative A and that's what provides the connection between Starky and Beexley with four
lanes and no interchange on the Sun Coast. What you are being asked to approve today is something that has not previously been put forward during the during the public workshops which is a hybrid phased approach which is
preferred alternative that basically says yes we'll do some version of A first but then we'll do alternative B in the future. I want to talk to you about what do we know about this pro preferred
alternative a prefer sorry preferred alternative and what we don't know because that should be helpful in you actually being able to make your determination. So what do we know? We know that the 2050 long range plan contemplated
four lanes and the $150 million for the rangeand boulevard extension. It was never contemplated as a six lane plus extension. So the fact that people are saying like, "Oh yeah, this has been on the books forever." Yes, that's right. But it's been on the books for a
four-lane divided improvement. What else do we know? We know that the ultimate preferred phase 2, which is what you're asking to approve in this package, is very much not supported by the community. There was a poll
at the public workshops that shows just exactly what the alternatives are supported. And this is in the root study and it shows alternative A5% B like 5% C somewhere around 5 to 10%.
So that really needs to tell you something about what the people who have been involved in this process care about and think about. What else do we know? We know that a six lane
portion which is with an interchange conflicts with a comprehensive plan. The comprehensive plan for Beexley North and South guiding principles specifically speaks to pedestrianfriendly human scale environment connectivity and walkability
between uses and parcels and maximum internal capture. This is inconsistent with that. This by asking to have this incursion into a very pedestrian, very walkable area.
That's not what this does. What else do we know? We know that the interchange is not currently something that FDOT is saying that they're going ahead with. We have emails with Greg Moore who works
with FDOT. He had not seen the preferred alternative or the other alternatives. I personally shared it with him and he wrote back saying and I sent you all a copy of this saying I have not seen this and what they're saying is not inaccurate
but it implies a certainty that is not reflective of current thinking. And it's true that those ramps can come in someday in the future, but that's not something that there are no plans to move forward with it at this time. So,
it's true it's the county who is going to tell FDOT what they want and you are getting lots of input that 85% don't want this interchange. They want a
So, what don't we know? What we don't know is how this will be funded because what Mr. Compo gave a presentation of showed that the different the the different alternatives have
different costs. Now the preferred alternative ultimate which by the way they say ultimate instead of you know option which ask yourself why is it ultimate? That means that that is a final goal. But so the preferred alternative ultimate is $191 million.
That's $50 million more than alternative A, $30 million more than the others. And by the way, the cost of the long range plan for rangeand is $150 million. So this is really going over and beyond
what had been previously contemplated. What you also So you don't know how this will be funded. and your staff report says funding is not required for this action. It will be presented for approval at a future meeting when when the price tag is this large. Isn't that
something you should talk about now? You also don't know how the new iteration will impact traffic in the area. And what hasn't been explained is that this new preferred alternative has actually changed the location of the signals and
adds a roundabout at South Branch. and the root study doesn't include that. So things like lane geometry and signal performance and intersection performance haven't been looked at. The safety of existing neighborhoods cannot be sacrificed on behalf of unknown growth
which you have the full power to control. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Next up, >> please don't clap. We're going to slow things down a little bit. I'm going to bring this here if you want
to scan the QR code here. Um, good morning. My name is Nancy Pettit. I um live at 16481 Acoustic Loop in Beexley. Um, I'm also on the CDD, but I'm here kind of speaking as a
passionate resident and also a CDD representative. It's funny. You watch movies and you hear them like say, "I'm not going to read what I wrote. I'm just going to speak from the heart." But, you know, they actually planned it. I'm going to really just try to speak from the heart. Um, I have been a part of
multiple meetings with great representatives from the county, um, with people like Panos since day one. And I brought these signs with us here today because I wanted the community and especially you all to know that Beexley
since day one has actually been in favor and understanding of option A or alternative A. Um, I'm married to a civil engineer who before we bought our house did the due diligence of like, oh, a road's coming here one day, but we
knew that at that time the road had nothing to do with an option of an interchange connection to the to the Sun Coast. That is the biggest difference here that's happening today. I also just want to shed light on the different workshops. Workshop one, the public
workshop that Panos mentioned, had two alternatives. They had A and B as he mentioned. We then had a meeting that brought us to an alternative C option which was included in the next workshop. Of all of those from day one, like I
mentioned, our community was all about option A. Um, and how many in here, if you have a sign and you're here because of Beexley, can you please stand and show your signs? Thank you. On top of that, I know you guys were
flooded with over 220 emails in less than a 20 24-hour period. I apologize it flooded your emails, but the whole point of that is we knew that people weren't going to have the opportunity to come here because we are a neighborhood filled of parents that are full-time
workers with children and can't come to a 10:00 a.m. 4-hour meeting. That isn't a workshop. It's a full agenda for the board of county commissioners. The point here is that we've never had an opportunity to ever examine this preferred alternative that is supposedly
option A, but keeps the doors open for all the things in option B and C that we are not okay with. If you see on this sign, there's three main points that the community has been okay with since day one. It is keep the roundabout at at the
Beexley uh Village Drive, which yes, the preferred alternative has. Um it also says less lane, which is really keeping it at the minimum of four lanes, which is what alternative A has. And finally, no interchange. I just want to make sure
that when you all see in this proposed agenda today that the recommended board action is to approve the study's preferred alternative and yes it mentions four lanes. It doesn't mention the inter co uh the interchange
connection, but when you move over to the page four of seven of the same package that tells you exactly what the preferred alternative includes it, it adds in six lanes for the future, interchange connection for the future.
As I mentioned, it keeps the doors open to all the things. And all we're asking is that we hold off on voting for this today so that the community can have public input, a public workshop after 5:00 on a day that people can make it. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> No clapping, please. >> Please. >> All right. And if you want to line up behind him, we're just going to take who's going under. Dr. Blanco, won't you come after this gentleman? >> Good morning. My name is Jeremy Pettit. I have the privilege to be married to my
brilliant and very passionate wife Nancy. I reside at 16481 acoustic loop uh in Beexley. Um I'm a civil engineer. I'm I'm a resident in Beexley, but I also own a civil engineering business here in Pasco County. So I understand a lot of the terms being thrown out here, and I want to kind of define two terms. I have a lot to get to, so I'm just
going to jump right into it. A lot of people have said I'm going to repeat what people have said, but collector and arterial. Those are two terms used in the engineering roadway design industry to define roads volume traffic. So the vision plan, I'm glad you guys brought that up. That is been shown since 2006.
We've seen it. It is defined as a vision or future collector road. A collector road does not connect to a highway. It is not an interchange. Those are arterials. Collector road's primary per purpose is to funnel local traffic to arterials for high traffic volumes. What
you're talking about here is this ultimate option which by the way was not in the original presentation. It was alluded to but it was not shown ultimate option is being disguised as option A. It's not is paving the way literally to put an interchange in and put a arterial
just akin to State Road 54 through Beexley. Okay. Three, four years ago, I don't know exactly when it was, the southeast quadrant of the roundabout at Beex Villers Drive and Tower Road had commercial property was a planned future land use there. That was changed by this
board to residential. Right now, you just went and put residential property, people's backyards facing State Road 54, a highway just like that. That was irresponsible change at that point when this been on the plans for 2006 if you're saying so. And arterial is not what we signed up for. It's not safe.
We've never been able to study what was proposed here. It was a bait and switch tactic and we don't appreciate it. Thank you. >> No clapping. >> Please don't do that. >> You'll be removed. >> Dr. Blanco. >> And who's ever going to speak after him?
Please line up so we can save time. >> Dr. Travio Blanco, I'm going be talking about my property which is at 16543 State Road 54. And um let's start out since it's the 250th anniversary coming up for the country with one of the founding fathers a statement he made
that be Benjamin Franklin way back then he was a forward thinker and he said the price of water will only be known when the well went dry. I'm here talking like always with you all about wetlands. That's what I do. Preserve my wetland on my property. The
issue about wetlands is they're vital to recharge our aquifers. They're vital for stability of the earth so you don't have sink holes. And just recently, like this year, for the first time I've ever seen, forestry put most areas at high fire risk in the first week of February.
That's unheard of. Usually it's April or May. Also, for the subsidance events, I just came back from Orlando. I was there for three or four days. There's a huge event over there that got national publicity. I don't know if you heard about it, but there was a giant um apartment complex like we have here. 3 400 units. Also had commercial. All of a
sudden, people got up in the morning to leave and they couldn't get out their doors because the building has shifted. They had to get emergency come out and chop down doors, let people out, get the animals out. It's a disaster. It's all covered with tape and they're all homeless now, these people. And the
businesses are shutting down. So sooner or later, um even though people want to talk about many things which are important to them, sooner or later things like wetlands become um vitally important. So mine is called wetland A3. It's very famous. Everybody swift mud knows it because I've been in court a
lot protecting it uh for many different things. So most recently I' I've been to all the meetings about rangeand and I I know about the uh situation with ponds. My concern is there are certain like minimum criteria but through all my
court cases and all my dealings with all the different agencies uh because our our wetlands now latest aerial surveys show that over 50% of wetlands are totally gone at this point. they can't function anymore and new wetlands will just they'll just spring up. So what the swiftman people I talked to and I talked
to them a lot. They said with wetlands you should always go beyond the minimums to protect them. There's this pond here that originally was supposed to be right on my property. They bumped it over a little bit just on the edge of my property. There's a 25 acre piece of land that I set up on a I got all these
documents there. Anybody wants to see them? Uh one of my court cases with Turnpike. Um, I ended up getting that land preserved and it's 25 acres. And what I suggested is instead of just doing the minimum and putting this little this pond over by my swamp, we went to the west side of that property. It still has the same connection to your
road, the rangeand, but it gives extra protection to the wetland. There's not many wetlands left like this. This uh the PhD hydro geologist from Swiftman was in my place said, I never see wetlands that are this healthy. How do you do it? Well, I'm always in court. I don't want to be in court. I want just
to got protection. So, it's a simple fix. Move the pond over the west end of that property. Everybody's happy. >> Thank you, Sean. >> Hi, Joseph Elbert. Uh, 4653 Tour Trace, Lander Lakes, Back to the Resident. First, I want to just uh comment on a
question that, uh, Commissioner Wait We Waitman asked about, and I think it's a very good one. When you talk about uh gun highway and the extension at the end of it and what's being done at that portion, you'll notice the response from Panos was that hey, you know, don't worry about it. People will basically be
able to take the the path of less resistance. They'll avoid traffic. But contrary, when it's against his his plan, you don't see that same argument when we're talking about the overpass in uh of 589. They're building a plan for
that. They're going to say, "Hey, look, we're gonna this the solution is this." But they don't build that same solution there. They argue and say, "Hey, look, folks will will drive around it." Why won't they say that here? Folks will drive around 589. They'll find a better path. Right? That argument doesn't doesn't correlate.
Um, I'm the chair of the Beexley CDD and I'm here to represent our community on item 31. I want to be clear where our community stands. Beexley participated in this process in good faith. While many preferred a no-build option, we accepted alternative A, the original alternative A, a four-lane road, keeping
the roundabouts, a Sun Coast overpass, and no interchange. We are residents who are nearly unanimous on this. We are against the sixlane expansion of or the Sun Coast Parkway interchange now or in the future. That's a key point. Just because option it's good to have option
value, it's not good to have option value when it doesn't make sense for the neighborhood around it. Although labeled alternative A, what is in front of you is not alternative A. And I want to explain why this preferred alternative is something our community absolutely does not prefer. This alternative was never presented to the public.
Alternatives A, B, and C were shown at workshops where over 330 participated, including myself and many of the folks that are here today. The community made its position clear then and after the public process closed. Staff created a new hybrid that no resident has ever reviewed or commented on. This is not
how you build public trust. Now, let's talk about what the hybrid actually does. The county is calling it a four-lane road, but their own study report calls it an interim phase with an ultimate phase of six lanes and a Sun Coast Parkway interchange. The drawings show a 44 ft median designed
specifically for inside widening to six lanes and the bridge is designed to be widened to six lanes. This is not a four-lane road. This is the first phase of a six-way highway through a neighborhood. Then there are the financials.
Alternative A costs $145 million, but the preferred alternative costs up to $192 92 million. That's 42 million more than the plan community approach the plan that the community supports. At the time when the county and other critical
transportation needs like Sun Coast or Sunlake Boulevard and Ridge Road, spending an extra 50 million to preserve an option for an interchange that the residents do not support is not responsible use of taxpayer dollars. And let me put the traffic in perspective as well. Alternative A, Rangland Boulevard
would carry out 18,000 vehicles per day. Under the six lane scenario, this number jumps to 50,000, which is 70 to 80% of State Road 54. So I ask you to vote no on this and build the road that community supported, not the highway
that we rejected. Thank you. >> Good morning board. My name is Buckshot Matson. I'm resident on tour trace as the previous gentleman was. >> I'm sir, for the record, could say. >> My address is already in your records. You can look it up. I'm not here to do your job for you. I am the evil one here and I'll take any anchor.
>> State please state your name. >> Buckshot Matson. I'm the only one in your records. You'll only be able to find one. >> Got quite a few up here. >> Yeah, there are lot in the house owners ownership. I'm on tour trace. >> I'm here to say that pretty much this project and the other ones. you are
missing the point of synchronization. You have this project and the one on the east side which are at me at worst you're hiding it willfully at best it's highly convenient. Now this project ends right prior to Brexit elementary which you said was elementary school safety it ends right
there and doesn't talk about that elementary school that's right next to it along with everyone else that you build up a scenario where you built the goldfish's pond. If you put a goldfish in a tank that's 10 gallons it'll grow to that size. Put in 20 gallon pond it'll grow even bigger. Congratulations. You are building this preferred plan
with a very large pond for that goldfish to grow. People always go to the path of least resistance. All right. And then they'll easily ask once these interchanges are all put in, turn outs are in, it'll be great for the first board till the next board moves in. And then they vote to get rid of them. And
now you have a highspeed rail, highspeed road connecting 54 all the way out to 41 right next to people's backyards. It's not what anyone wants. Not what anyone would like to live in. I don't. I chose my spice looking very carefully at this as well. Your own 2050 plan for the
future also includes another road wrapping around the north side of our own community if anyone hasn't looked at that one. And it's not included in this. It looks like it lines right up with that first roundabout which now you're going to have four major roads potentially all in the same spot next to
people's houses. Not a desire, not as a plan. I'll leave the rest of time for the rest of my community. time. Uh, good morning. Uh, my name is Brian Faithful. I'm uh, 4250 Epic Cove in Beexleysley. Um, just for the record
that I I am supportive of of alternative A. I think it was there. It was there when we came down from Maryland to look at the at buying a house in Beexley. Uh it's a beautiful place and it's a shame that we're here uh and it's very unfortunate that we're here um being
asked to vote on a preferred alternative that has never even been communicated to the public. But more concerning to me is that, you know, I think we're trying to fix a problem that the county has created or has a a part of the problem that the
county has created. Um, I look around and within three or four miles of the 54 Sunos interstate interchange, we have at least 11 apartment complexes. 11 within three to four miles of that interchange. That's the problem. And now we're being
asked to consider an option that could put six lanes right at the um the communities that you you represent. And that's it just blows my mind that that's
the same number of lanes that 54 has. The same number of lanes. And it it's just disturbing. And that we're going to spend millions and millions of dollars to prep against something for six lanes interchanges that you don't even know what it's going to look like down the
road. Um so that's really the bulk of what I wanted to say. Um, so I'm asking you to not approve this alternative um, option. Go back to A. It was there from the beginning. It's a good plan and I think it supports everything that we
need. Thank you. >> Good morning. My name is Paige Nardy. I live at 3133 Tour Trace in the Beexley community. I'm here representing as a resident of Beexley. I will say I am on the HOA board. I was copied on all 225
250 emails. So I did see those that you all received them. Um I'm here representing my husband as well as my two teenage sons. And I'm asking you today that um agenda item number 31 be motioned for continuence. And if you choose to continue, then I ask you to
say no until the um preferred alternative has been fully vetted and discussed with community members. Right now, as my other um residents have shared, this has not been done. Option A is what we were
understanding would be voted on, not this DE. I don't know what else I mean they're calling it this preferred alternative but it's like this additional option that's been added on. Um earlier this month David Ingold was quoted in the Tampa Bay Business Journal
saying where are the growing pains? The biggest pain is that we are behind on roadway construction the east west. Is this the solution that you're trying to find? This issue is here. So you're trying to put a band-aid on it and find a solution for it. I echo what my other
residents had said with regards to um uh uh the impact of this, but what I wanted to focus on is the safety. Um this potential has an interchange with six lanes going in front of people's homes. It's not behind their houses. If you go
into Beexsley, this is in their front yards. people who are trying to get to parks, schools, preschools, the high school. There are like six to eight schools within a two to three mile radius of
this area. Sun Lake, who we saw here today, which Miss Merlin, I was at the Sack Committee meeting, she gratefully was excited that they were going to be recognized today. Um, but this is individuals trying to get to parks, their friends houses, go to school, and
you're going to put a potential for six lanes, 50,000 cars. Now, what was added in is this underpass. And Mr. Pano said, "Go look in Hillsboro on Lindbal Avenue, and there's an underpass there." Couple of things. It's not at an interchange.
It's just underneath a four-lane road, an established four-lane road that will never be expanded to six lanes. There's no room for it if you go down in that area. Number two, Beexley. It's a conservation. We have gators, snakes, wildlife. I love that as part of my
community, but you want children and people to go underneath underpasses that are going to be built in a wetland area. It is not a solution that would be viable for Beexley. So I ask you to think about this, the safety for the children, not just today, but in 2050.
My house is not going to move in 2050. It is still going to be in Beexley, and there's still going to be homes that I would like to go to the community. So I ask you, especially, Miss uh Commissioner Joerger, this is your area. I ask you to put a motion out to either continue with this or vote no on this
option. Thank you very much for your time. >> Thank you. Hi, good morning. Matias Piery, 4361 Tour Trace, Lando Lakes. Uh, thank you commissioners for the time today and thank you all for the individual meetings that we had as well. I'm a resident of Beexley and as well the HOA
president. I'd like to talk today about fiscal responsibility. As we all stated in the comprehensive plan back in 2006, option A was essentially what was agreed to at that time. Option A is what Beexley supports. Option A is a $145 million project. What we're now
contemplating today is a preferred alternative that is $40 million more than option A. So it's $40 million on a gamble that hey, I'd like to see an interchange down the road. Hey, I think maybe we'll add it in 2040 when it's needed. In my house, we don't spend $40
million today or my businesses I run, we don't spend $40 million today or 30% more of the budget on something I think may happen down the road. I can tell you the example was made of surround sound in a house. Surround sound in a house. I agree. Sometimes you build a house, you put in surround sound wiring for it. You
actually used to do that, but when you did it, it was a $1,000. It wasn't $40 million. And maybe you added it down the road. When I built my house eight years ago, we put in telephone jacks and cable outlets and all that. We paid extra money for that. Now it's all wasted. It was no good money. We don't know that
money put into this project today for an interchange will mean anything in t 10 years. Building methodologies, systems, ways of movement change every single year and we don't know what comes at that time. Again, $40 million is not an
insignificant amount of money. The percentage spent on that for something that may happen down the road and we may have FDA approve it is way too much to gamble on as we move forward. Those funds could be used to improve 54. 41 and 54 is an absolute nightmare. We've
talked about 54 the whole time. That's the big pinch point on 54 at this point is 41 and 54. We've also not talked about what about connecting Sunlake from Beexley Village Drive up to Ridge Road. That could eliminate some of this traffic. What about the project to
extend Tower Road out to 41 and ultimately 52? I'm not sure where that's at at this point, but that could alleviate some of 54. There's numbers of alternatives that this $40 million could go to rather than a gamble of everyone's money to say, "Hey, maybe this will
happen down the road." I'd ask that you support option A and take the preferred alternative off the table. Thank you. >> So 158, I get two more speakers. >> Lisa Lopatine, 4233 Epic Cove. I'm a resident Beexley. Been there for 7
years. Uh when we came down initially looking at the community, um we were actually told that there would be a road eventually going and we were like, "Okay, that's great. You have to expand. You have to make more roadways. You have to do things so people can get around and do the things that they need to do."
What we never thought would ever happen is a proposed interchange coming in. The way Beexley is set up, I just don't feel an interchange is the appropriate thing to put in. I cons I get concerns about
with the Amazon that's down the road if you have say an Amazon driver get on there with his big 18-wheeler and he might decide to get off at that exit as opposed to going on down to 54 and going in the way it's supposed to go. So, you're opening it up to not just
pedestrian traffic, you're opening it up to uh any kind of traffic that might want to flow off of that. I understand y'all have a hard job. I totally get that and I totally appreciate your time that y'all take to do your job, but I really please please
consider your vote very carefully and I ask that you vote for option A because that's the one that makes the most sense for our community. Thank you. >> Wow. Okay. >> Christy King, 3929 Tour Trace, Land of
Lakes. >> Um I am a resident of Beexley and I just wanted to speak on some of the concerns that we have with the new alternative proposal. Um it was not given as an option for all the previous meetings. So we do feel like we've been hoodwinkedked in a sense to the fact that is still being labeled um option A when it's now
an alternative. If you look at the infrastructure that they're trying to connect to, whether you look at Starky at Gun Highway in Rangeland Road where no light exists, no roundabout exists, you're going to have an influx of people who are taking this new extension to get to 54. If you look at the roundabout that currently exists in Beexley, it's a
one- lane roundabout that you're proposing to uh add two to potentially three lanes of incoming traffic into a roundabout. This roundabout, if you've ever been there, is heavily populated with pedestrians, people who are walking to elementary school in the morning, people are walking to their amenities within their community, and you're
wanting to put an influx of traffic that doesn't even pertain to the community. There are several other areas in Pasco County that I think would help um relieve some of the congestion that you have on 54, as mentioned previously, extending Tower Road, extending Sun Lake up to Ridge Road. And I feel like by
putting this um extension in that we knew was an option. All of us had looked and seen the maps. It was meant to be a small alleviation of traffic, not a major thoroughfare for you to add an extension onto the Sun Coast Parkway. I really wish that you would reconsider and choose to table this until more time
and consideration be given. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good afternoon, guys. Um I'm an owner at 16778. your name, please, sir. >> Paul Ducharm, >> had you signed up previously? >> No, I did not. >> Okay. >> I wasn't going to say anything, but then
after the planner's presentation, I was having a hard time not jumping out of my seat. >> And your address, please. >> Yes, it's 16778 Courtyard Loop. >> Thank you. >> My house at Courtyard Loops the wetlands. And when I see these presentations and I'm hearing about the
impacts on the wetlands, I'm thinking, what the hell is going on with that? Wetlands are sacred. That was brought up earlier by somebody else, but we're going to be impacting wetlands to build these highways that nobody wants. Um, and a little bit about me, I come from the Boston area where I retired from
construction management and had spent more than a decade working on Boston's infamous big dig. So, I understand how some of this stuff works. And I did look at what uh listen to what you were saying about that intersection at Gun Highway. It's just a simple little diagram. You cannot imagine how complicated that intersection is going
to be. And then it comes around the back side of those subdivisions, crosses over the Sun Coast Parkway, which is a 200 foot wide expanse, crosses over and abuts and comes into a U rotary at Beexley subdivision. To me, that's like
looking at a bulldozer, you know, in a playground. you know that that four-lane highway is going to go busting through that rotary and just going to keep on going. The one thing too about my experience with the big dig is that with a lot of these public public projects is that they throw out numbers projections
of things 25 years down the road, they don't know. They don't know and they don't have any control over the expenses. We heard earlier in this commission meeting that there were problems funding teachers salaries, money needed to be spent on fire departments, but here we are looking at
spending over almost $200 million on a road that most people don't want. They have done polls in the Basley subdivision. Over 80% of the people don't want them. So save the money. Don't do it. We don't need that stupid road. There are other alternatives. you
need better planners and we need better um oversight from this commission on this stuff. So again, I didn't think I was going to speak, but again, after that presentation, I just couldn't. I had a hard time staying in my seat hearing that. There's a million holes you can punch in that thing, and I'm not
going to do it because I don't have the time. But um I would say table this for now. >> Thank you. >> Please. >> All right, these are the last two speakers. If you can please don't repeat what has been said. >> Mr. Chairman, honorable board, my name
is David Silverstein, 15590 Sweet Springs Bend in the preserve. I have one sightspecific for our community and one collective issue for all communities. After the original meeting, we found a series of drawings on the maps
indicating sidewalk entrances into our community which read only if the CDD wants it. We don't. I'm a supervisor on the CDD. And we communicated this information accordingly to Mr. Panos Conces who indicated yes, we will remove
from the conceptual plans all sidewalk and walkway connections. That communication was in February of this year of last year. Subsequent to that, we had another meeting and the maps were put up again and all of them continued
to show the sidewalk connections. It was brought up to their attention with forwarded emails and the response to that was, "Thank you for reminding me. I enjoyed talking with you. We will remove it." As of three months ago on your website, those sidewalk connections are
still showing up if approved by the CDD. I would appreciate please if Mr. Consus and his team could please address this appropriately and get rid of it because we do not want them. There are two sidewalks entering the community. One out of Sweet Springs and the other one
out of Tuxen Wind Place, which we have been confirmed already will disappear, but as of three months ago, it's still on your maps. last and only of great importance to all communities. It takes 20 years apparently to make a decision about how something will eventually happen. And I
read that the impact on noise is high. Well, we can all still hear 589 and the big question when I brought it up was what will be done and the answer was once it's built, we will do a study to see how to address it. I really think
somebody has to by now have a clue on how to address noise coming off of a highway into a community. This is not reinventing the wheel. Please don't pass this until somebody addresses these issues. Thank you.
>> Uh these are the last two. We have nine people online, but those people online are going to have to have it after the break. >> Uh good afternoon. My apologies for my appearance. I'm one of those working parents that sprinted over to try to make this meeting. Uh I will try to keep it short short and sweet. Uh my name is
Basilio Samanosyanakis. I live at 3392 Tour Trace uh in the Beexley community in Land of Lakes. I'm here today uh not just as resident but as a parent of two young children. Uh my wife uh herself could not make it. She is a Pasco County native and we chose to
move to Beexley specifically because it is known as a safe and walkable community. Uh, every day I see children riding bikes, families walking the trails, and parents pushing strollers. That is the environment we chose for our children. Safety is not just a general
concern for me. It is very personal. We have personally lost a family member who was struck by a vehicle and passed away. So, I understand very clearly how traffic and speed can change lives forever. I understand the county is growing and
the additional roads are needed. I'm not opposed to growth or infrastructure, but my concern is that this project could effectively create a highway connection and a cut-through route for people trying to avoid State Route 54, bringing regional traffic directly in front of a community where children live, walk, and
play. I respectfully ask the commission to prior prioritize the safety of existing communities and ensure this road is as a local connector and not a regional cut through quarter. Thank you for your time and your service to Pasco County. Okay, last speaker for this break. Before the break.
>> Hi. Um, my name is Adam Saunders. I live at 17896 Everlong Drive, uh, Lando Lakes, Florida. Uh, I'm a Beexley resident. I'm also on the CDD and the HOA. Um, but I'm here speaking at in my individual capacity just as a resident. Um, when I drove here today, I passed
through the Beexley roundabout on Beexley Village Drive. I think I passed a pair of sandill cranes, a group of people jogging. Um, a person on a bike who I think was taking their their kid to school. Um, Beexsley has an
undeniable uh charming residential character. I think that's the reason a lot of people moved to Beexley. A lot of people move into Beexley currently. Um, for that for that reason, for that that uh that idealic lifestyle. Um, that brings me to Rangeland Boulevard. Um
over the past year, our community has been really actively participating in this process. You saw um the the attendance of those workshops, a lot of that was Beexley residents. Um throughout this process, um Beexley has consistently supported alternative A um
including the fourlane roadway, um preserving the roundabout on Beexley Village Drive, um the Sun Coast overpass, and uh no new interchange connection. Um we attended the public meetings, submitted comments, evaluated
alternatives A and B and then later alternative C um when it was introduced. Um now this new proposed uh preferred alternative. U this proposal includes a widened median to accommodate a potential six
lane expansion from South Branch to Beexley Village Drive and a future interchange connection to the Sun Coast Parkway. Um this is all despite the expression of a strong opposition um from the Baxley community and surrounding communities um which would
be most directly impacted. I know um Mr. Contest has said that this proposal does not include any interchange but I think creating the infrastructure for that interchange creates the uh temptation to build it in the future.
Um many residents view this rightly so as an indirect attempt to enable the interchange um which was previously rejected at at all levels of public comment when we have had that opportunity. Um, this preferred alternative also does not
include any uh meaningful measures for noise mitigation, which I think is something a previous commenter had had brought up, or traffic calming beyond the existing roundabout, um, to preserve the the important residential character of Beexley. Um, additionally, and this is a
small point, but I think it's something meaningful. Um, when I reviewed the route study, um, the assumptions, uh, of which I assume under the the drive for this project, something that stuck out to me was the projected increase in average annual daily traffic on
Broadport's Run from 3500 to 5,000 by 2050 um, for a road that is effectively an enclosed area with no new capacity for residential development or or areas of ingress. >> Please wrap it up, sir. >> I'm sorry. >> Please wrap it up. Your time's up.
>> Oh, okay. Well, then I I appreciate your time then. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. So, it is 12:11. We're past our normal break at noon time. Sorry I went on so long. We'll take up the item as soon as we get back at um 1:30. Finish the public comment. I know we had nine people online. >> Correct.
>> So, let them know at 1:30 to come back and we'll go. We're journ for now till 1:30. Thank you. >> Wow. too much in the bedroom.