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back to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting of April 9th 2025 please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones we'll proceed to public hearings starting with ordinances item P32 item P32 was published in the Tempe
Times on March 9th 2025 good afternoon Madam Chair good afternoon commissioners denise Hernandez code compliance department item P32 is CC25005 it's an ordinance by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County Florida providing for the amendment of
chapter 42 of the Pasco County Code of Ordinances providing for modification repealer severability inclusion into the Pasco County code of ordinances and an effective date so this is an amendment to chapter 42 uh chapter 42 establishes and defines the
minimum standards for the proper care maintenance of lands to preserve the public health safety and welfare so the proposed amendment before you expands the list of parties that may report violations related to stagnant or foul water and it also clarifies that the definition of stagnant or f foul water
includes swimming pools that have not been properly maintained uh because this is a code of ordinances change this is uh one public hearing so we're asking that you accept public comment on these amendments adopt the ordinance amending chapter 42 of the Pasco County Code
ordinances by roll call vote and authorize the execution of the ordinance by the chairman direct board records to transmit the ordinance to the Department of State with uh by electronic mail and I'm here for any questions board members do we have any questions madam Chair Commission Mariano I'm glad to see it
coming forward because I always thought pools were in there because I know we've had some of them addressed in the past but I guess this qualified to be able to handle it okay yeah and they're considered a public nuisance so it should be this way and that'll help with our mosquito problem yes indeed is there anyone in the public that wishes to
speak against this item is anyone online um Madam Chair I do not have signin sheet this guy right here right nope that is the WebEx sheet sign up sign sheet i unless I grabbed it but
um No it's not here okay so no one signed up okay so no one has signed up all right um so this a roll call vote it is we do have one one moment please we did have one person signed up but I don't know if they're in
WebEx tory Baker are they in logged in WebEx he did not specify what he wanted to speak on so that's going to be an issue okay thank you if Tell you what if he signs on give her a signal cuz we he didn't sign up we have communications so just let me know um and I'm good move
approval second roll call vote district one Commissioner Oakley i district two Commissioner Weightman hi district four Commissioner Joerger hi district five Commissioner Mariano hi district three Chairman Sturton hi thank you p33
item P33 was published in the Tampa Times on March 5th 2025 and affidavit of certified mailings and site postings thank you Madam Chair nick Pito plan development economic growth department item
P33 is PDE 250078 this is an ordinance amending the Paso County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet01 changing from res 3 residential three dwellings per gross acre res six residential six dwelling units per gross acre and res 9
residential nine dwelling units per gross acre to IL industrial light on approximately 7.93 acres of real property located north of Kumer Road south of State Road 575 east of Pine Products Road and west of Bower vote
this comes to you with a recommendation uh from the planning development economic growth department and the local planning agency to approve the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote and there's a presentation if so desired um board members does anyone want to see
a presentation no we're good madam Chair just confirm we have live local provision on here yes sir it's going to matter while we still can all right thank you Terry okay um would anyone in the public like to speak against
P33 and we have no one online i've not been informed so no one okay then um I'll take a motion move approval second all in favor it's a roll call roll call district one Commissioner Oakley hi district two Commissioner Weman hi
district four Commissioner Joerger hi district five Commissioner Mariano hi district three Chairman Starky hi all right um P34 item P34 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on February 5th 2025 the item was
continued from March 25th 2025 BCC meeting to today all right uh good afternoon commissioners patrick Dutter Planning Development Economic Growth uh this is the uh much awaited ADU uh ordinance um so reading the title here uh an
ordinance by the Pasco County Port County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code section 503 AC agricultural district section 50504 AC-1 Agricultural District section 505 AR Agricultural District Section 506 AR1 Agricultural Residential District
Section 507 AR5 Agricultural Residential District Section 509 ER Estate Residential District Section 510 ER2 Estate Residential District Section 512 R1H Single Family Mobile Home District Section 514 R1 Rural density residential district section 515
R2 low density residential district section 516 R3 medium density residential district section 517 R4 highdensity residential districts section 530.3 construction of accessory buildings and structures creating new section 530.24 24 accessory dwelling
units appendix A definitions and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for replicability repealer providing for severability inclusion of the land development code and an effective date so if you recall I think a month ago we had some conversation about the
proposed ADU language uh and we had I think some very good um dialogue and so we have some updates based off of that dialogue and some things that we've changed in the code since then um but first before I do that um there
is an update for ADUs on the state level um so legislation is making its way through the h both the house and senate for ADUs uh the intention is to require local governments to adopt an ordinance to permit ADUs for affordable housing uh depending on the legislation that go that gets adopted we may in the
notsodistant future have to come back and amend our code so we'll see what happens there um it's House Bill 247 and Senate Bill 184 so just to have that on your radar well in effect ADUs are affordable housing so what what's the difference i I don't know the specifics
of the language but I think we just got to keep an eye out to see if it affects anything we have to monitor the rent this is just to monitor in case there's a nuance but we're not anticipating any issues with it right now ralph I don't believe so okay he's shaking his head well they should be happy we're doing an
ADU ordinance right okay okay um so um some discussion points from our last meeting uh so one is there potential for larger ADUs on larger lots uh so staff response to that as uh for the board to consider permitting parcels with 1 acre
more of land to have an ADU up to 1200 square ft uh note this can still be exceeded with the approval of a special exception so I think right there was a conversation about potentially larger lots um should get larger ADUs and uh trying to meet in the middle of there so
that's a proposed solution is are do you want us to discuss this now or when you're done you can discuss now if you'd like okay well I would be against that madam Chair that's a house not an ADU okay madam Chair that's not an accessory yes did every Did everyone see the copy of the uh email from Grover Flack
Designs i think you sent it out to everybody no when uh within last week um could you put it up Tony i I'll read you the email he's he's a designer he says "I've designed a new home for my niece her husband in which they put it
up for permitting however I didn't realize that Pasco County didn't currently have an ordinance for accessory dwelling units after speaking with someone from zoning I understand the commission is currently reviewing considering a new ordinance for access accessory dwelling units i've attached the current ordinance from Hernando
County for accessory dwelling units that has been in place since 2012 i didn't even know they had one hernando hernando i hope you can take consideration of Hernando County ordinance the way it's written and can adopt some language in particular like to see the following
from Hernando Countyy's ordinance an accessory dwelling unit shall be subordinate to the primary structure such that the maximum gross habitable floor area of the accessory dwelling unit shall not exceed 50% of the gross habitable floor area of the prime
primary dwelling unit so you won't have like a small house and a big house type thing um with the 50% rule in lie of having a maximum set gross habitable floor space the designs of the ADU can then have better layouts no matter how big of the home the owners would want
the ADU cannot be any larger than what the size of the lot can allow with all the setbacks uh he attached some uh briefings with it but for instance this one here that he he sent over it has an area of uh the house has a floor area of
2511 ft and the ADU has,40 ft it fits their thing it's at 49.4% it's been tried and tested for 13 years out there has worked pretty well and uh again he he thought we had one so we had to kind of take a step back but
this I think does what we're trying to do and it fits in line with what would probably work better coming from an engineer designer well I I I to me that's a house that's a three-bedroom house i don't think that's what our intent is um it's for me it's
too big but I will um Is this our first or second reading second okay um I just put some texts out to people who are more knowledgeable than me but I I've never I've not heard of that as an that size as an accessory dwelling unit
i think it's too big and then you're going to start having kids then you're going to then you're going to start having a lot more cars and then you're going to have school impacts because you're going to have a three-bedroom house and where are all those cars going to park so I I I
I personally am against that well they're on an acre remember they're not in a 45 so they can park all over the grass in the front the front yard they park in the backyard they can park wherever they have it's going to be Well
you're thinking it's a 1acre in a rural area but what if it's a 1 acre in an MPU where do we have those uh well we have it in Starky Ranch it's in Arista we have half acre to 3 acre so your CD would the CDD allow it um we're allowed
to have an accessory building um but it can't have a kitchen in it because of the county codes i mean that could change now so Patrick they would the CDD's rules it's not CDD it's HOA rules cdd doesn't have land use authority
so they they wouldn't have that at all hoa documents might but CDDs don't control footprint like that oh and it's covered by a walkway right so I just texted Frank who's the national expert on all this stuff i would not put a minimum on it but if you need a maximum
I would put it at 800 ft some places go up to 1,200 like Fernando did but that can be a two-bedroom or even threebedroom uh which becomes a house fagville allows an ADU that is detached plus an ADU that is part of the main house com and
combined they cannot exceed 1,200 ft but you can have one of them but you can have one of them be 1,200 ft I don't really understand that one but I agree at 1200 ft is a house you say that what do you say about 1200 ft you can't um so
he he just said that he's talking to his text so that last sentence didn't make sense but so don't put a minimum on it but I would put a maximum of 800 ft I'm fine with that okay we we can keep going or if you want
to keep discussing this it's it's your choice i let Weren't we talking about a 900 square f feet at one time yeah I think I said 900 last time so I'd go to 900 yeah I think I'd be right but no no more but with a special if they want
1,200 they can apply for special conditions right a special exception they can exceed that yes okay i'd be okay with that because maybe you have a really big lot i mean if you if I get a if I get a big lot and a big house and again if a designer says it fits better
do that um I I'll leave it to them i mean between 900 and,200 ft I mean if the house is big enough so be it let let it go it's not going to break it's not a dramatic thing of like maybe there's another bike that's coming or something but if it's simple it's easy let them go
do it why make them do this special exception route keep it one thing and it's worked for 12 years we didn't even know they had it up there well you know they don't have I mean 1200 ft is another house and I don't agree with putting that in
someone's backyard in a neighborhood um and adding potentially three cars if it's 1,200 ft it's going to be a three-bedroom house you're going to have two teenagers and two adults so you're adding four more cars to a lot with a house in it already if they're renting it out to a family the idea the idea is
is it's either a place for a college kid or you rent out one bedroom um this is how it works in Long Leaf we have some divorced dads who have rented them some of our county attorneys have rented them because they've kept their homes in
other areas um or you have um a kid that just got out of college and wants to live in a neighborhood that he normally couldn't afford and and that's the idea of an ADU it isn't to take a lot and subdivide it so you're both you and your family are all living together on the same lot or
or or your or bring in your your mom and dad who need to be closer to you it's not meant to bring in a family in your backyard i'm going to say that if you look at let's say a family's got a big house etc they want to move out but they don't really want to move
out and you know both my parents are living in 1,200 foot condominiums they're two-bedroom they're two bath they're not that big they're not threebedroom they couldn't be threebedroom unless you really wanted to take away the side room and you have everybody in one small room so I think 1,200 is a reasonable number a lot of
you two-bedroom condos are built that way so and again Fernando County has done it and they make the limit to based on the size of the structure that's beside it or part of it then I think it works i I think we had three at 800 and we moved it to even moved it to 900 is
the direction I heard the the last time this was brought to you we had it at 900 and then the language that we have today has 900 with the caveat that if you have 1 acre or larger lot you could do 1,200 but it's to the board's discretion if
they want to adjust that further yeah I don't want I don't want that one acre caveat it would have to be bigger and rural um I live on three acres it would not be appropriate in my neighborhood to put another house on my property i could put
a barn with a apartment above but if you want if you want if you have a big lot and you want your family to move in you can just subdivide your lot build a house
next door i mean sorry would you like me to keep going through the rest okay all right uh so the next disc discussion point um staff adjustments to previous uh proposed language in terms of permitting a
special exception for dimensional standards um so we previously were allowing people to apply for a special exception for all the dimensional standards including height setbacks size um and I think lot coverage was the one
of them um we didn't really think it appropriate that someone allow be allowed to apply for a special ex exception to exceed the height or lot coverage so we kind of struck that leaving the special exception ability for people that need to uh go into the setback if needed or um increase the
size of the unit but uh not so much for heightened lot coverage that's a change that we made uh the next one um there was oh concern about ADUs and primary structure being used as short-term rentals so again our our current language says that
they are prohibited um now there's potentially enforcement issues along with that maybe a a separate uh conversation but our current language um prohibits them unless they go through the process that we already have in place
which is a neighborhood that allows them by right right we have neighborhoods that have said we're okay with short-term rentals um I believe if you're trying to get a short-term rental here comes our expert yes Denise Hernandez denise Hernandez so yes there's several
ways so it's either already approved in their plat so it's in the plat recordation um the other way would be if it's not in the plat recordation there's certain um there's certain neighborhoods that have been pre-approved from when they registered back many years ago and
then the other way would be to go through the conditional use process but before you start that process they have to have a petition signed by 51% or more of the owners that live within that plat or within the subdivision and that could start the actual process and it's a conditional use and comes to the
planning commission and the board of county commissioners for approval okay commissioner Mariano did you have a question i was just going to make a point um I mentioned that email to everybody i just looked at looked it up and I was actually sending to Terry but it was still in draft form so my my
error so he's got it now but anyway so I apologize i thought you all that would have happened i do also want to make a note and this might be um one of the um slides that um Patrick had in the beginning which uh what's going through the legislature right now may outright
completely prohibit them so short-term short-term vacant vacation rentals at least one of I don't know if it's the house bill or the senate bill has that within it you mean anywhere anywhere in Florida that's correct good luck with that that the a for an ADU that correct
that an ADU cannot be correct that an ADU cannot be used as a vacation rental that's one of the versions that's out there thank you okay okay uh so next
slide um another discussion point um is there potential for eliminating impact fees for ADUs um so staff's response there the removal of the county's impact fees for dimminimous impacts is at the discretion of the BCC uh please note that
affordable ADUs uh committed to below for 80% AMI are already exempt from most impact fees an additional recommendation for BCC to consider for ADUs is that that do not qualify as affordable um so all of these recommendations exclude
water and service connection fees uh but you could exempt all impact fees other than schools for a unit less than 500 square ft uh this exemption is based on the existing home addition square footage that is exempt from increased mobility fee based on house size uh the
school district also is going to be evaluating a potential dimmin threshold as part of their next update to the school impact fee uh for units between 500 and 900 square feet continue to rely on the existing mobility fee and school discount rate and the applicable rates for other impact fees and for units
above 900 ft full impact fees shall be paid so that's the proposal from staff on how to handle uh impact fees for ADUs any questions on that trying to figure out what the difference
is between B and C uh so there's currently already a a a row in our mobility fee table that has basically a discounted rate for ADUs because we do have some ADUs in the county already uh through some MPUDS like Longleaf and others yeah i Well I
love A but I don't understand the difference between B and C yeah so So B is just saying discounted school rate uh B is saying we're going to rely on what exists in our current tables which is basically a discount and then C is saying you know anything above 900 to
your point is like a single family home so therefore it should be charged full impact fees that's the difference between B and C well if that's the case let them go 1,200 square feet if they're going to pay full full impact fees i mean give them more bang for their buck if you're trying to incentivize these
well if they if they come in if we allow that on larger than 1acre lots in my opinion um in areas in the county i I I don't understand though once you get to a 3 acre 5 acre 10 acre
lot why don't they just subdivide instead of building another home in home on on the property um sometimes properties are already subdivided as maxes it can be Well we're going to get rid of those we're gonna get rid of that i think that Well it's not that's not
today but a lot of subdivision subdivided as far as they can sub they can't subdivide it anymore they're at their five or their 10 acre they're stuck at 20 or they're stuck whatever this allows them to do more with their property that they own freedom with
their land property rights well we don't you know we have rules for everything yes we do do you want to just get rid of everything get rid of everything trying to Well yeah i had my way i'd cut a whole lot of rules out of out of things
and Jack's smiling i'm with you but but this is this is to allow Look when you bring up the kids in their cars they're going to be at the house regardless if they have this or not the cars are still going to be in the driveway because they can't afford to live anywhere so they're still going to be at home so the same amount of cars are going to be there
irregardless of if there's an extra bedroom or two they're still going to use the same amount of water irregardless if there's it's just more space that people can not be so crammed in their home it's what it comes down to and really when we think about 300
square ft it's really tiny the minimum very I am I am okay with no impact fees for up to 900 ft i I didn't want any i want to encourage them um so I was trying to figure out how to
even get away from water and sewer and one of the ways we talked if they were smaller one of the ways we talked about it was if they didn't have a separate meter um if it was metered with the house and then and and they paid their water bill as part of the house bill as
part of their rent you wouldn't have to have another meter and you wouldn't have another connection um I I think it's really important to encourage them but not 1,200 that's just
um but I'd be okay with this chart okay do you want me to keep going mad gentlemen more discussion again it is America if someone does have a big house and they want to add it on to it what do we really care if they have a 900 or 1,200 ft they can add onto their house i'm just saying this is a separate
house this is separate i'm just saying 900 ft 1200 feet is what we're talking about so what does it really matter to the whole thing other than someone's comfort and if it's affordability if they can't afford 12 they're going to build nine but literally I've got one one parent who's a senior that lives in
a loan does not want to go into a home wants to stay in her place she's comfortable there she's got company that comes down they can stay there be comfortable they have their own space but she don't need 1,200 ft she wants it's not need it's wants this is all
about wants i want support honestly we just looked in to this uh for my mom and we had an architect and she she really wanted a space for her friends yeah and we could not do it in that little of square feet well my
daughter just rented a 700 square foot um house in Newport Richie and it's kitchen a living room two bedrooms a bathroom and a hall closet for 700 ft so 1,200 is is a starter
house in my opinion um I don't know so are you switching now from 900 because maybe I'm I don't know people need to speak up i I I think 1,200 is way too big um unless you're on a really big lot think about it my neighborhood
is halfacre acre and threeacre lots when these happen they're going to be taxed on it so they're going to figure out how big they want to go if we say up to you're not going to get 100% so I'll say I want 1200 ft i agree i'll third it
fourth of it let's move on all right all right lots of hillbillies okay they can all be And they can be trailers we're not done with the presentation yeah would you like You can keep We just took care of that part of it for you let's move okay we're going to keep
moving um the next discussion point uh uh Commissioner Mariano um look into allowing port and metal peers in terms of fixed foundation um not a subject matter expert here so relied on the building department um so from the building department technically from the Florida building cone perspective a
foundation can be designed using any material provided it meets all of the structural requirements so we're changing our language to now say ADUs must be built on permanent fixed foundation that is designed to meet the requirements of the Florida building code and any reference standards so um I think that should hopefully solve your
concern last time okay uh next slide okay great um so at the last hearing we had a citizen come up and speak uh about the setbacks and then also sent an email I think to Commissioner Weightman about these
setbacks um so uh citizen concern and email um wanted accessory setbacks instead of using the primary setbacks of the zoning district so just to clarify um staff is proposing that for the ADU um whatever your required setback is for
the zoning that's what you use for uh accessory structures we allow those to go down to five um so our response there uh when staff was considering setbacks for ADUs staff was concerned about the expectations of neighbors when purchasing land the expectation is that the neighbor will be a certain distance
away the neighbor may have a shed or garage but these things are usually not used as often as the primary structure is with the addition of an ADU there could now be an accessory accessory living unit that could potentially be right next to the property line the use of the primary setback was to ensure
that any impact an ADU has on its neighbor was next to minimal one could envision an ADU being built on a second floor with within the 5 ft of the property line which would have a window looking right down into neighbor's backyard uh regardless should someone want to deviate from these primary uh
structure setback requirements we provide the ability for an applicant to apply for a special exception to obtain a smaller setback which requires planning commission approval and a notice of public hearing so any questions on that
okay i want to go back to the slide before I have a question on the parking okay and the driveways to these houses that are going to be built behind the other house okay okay i want a rule that you can't park in in the grass and the yard so they're going to have to provide
a driveway and parking for the cars all right we're not going backwards in this county were supposed to be premier and I can show you house after house in my district where there's no yard because it's all cars parking in the front yard um and then also we have a rule is the
lot coverage is the coverage of the lot rule still there is the coverage in my neighborhood in my boat house you cannot cover you have to leave at least 20% of your lot permeable sure yeah yeah lot coverage
still exists okay but they're going to have to have a a driveway are they Are they going to have Are we going to require that 1,200 ft to have a garage yeah so park outside yeah and and as I'm sure you know there are many different
types of ADUs right adu could be someone adding almost an expansion onto their home and with just with a second entrance it could be a garage conversion it could be an actual little unit they just have to have place where the cars could park sure not on the yard and we we have in our code that they have to
follow our land development code in terms of of parking um I don't we don't have a rule on that right now yeah i don't think our code gets into the specifics about parking on uh the driveway but I want that in on this one okay um sure we'll have to figure out
what that looks like I guess okay um so if we're going to keep going um okay uh general question was asked about floodp proofing a garage conversion commissioner Starky I think you asked this um so our answer is they need to follow the Florida building code
and FEMA regulations not every garage will be able to be converted to an ADU based on these standards so um if they can meet FEMA regulations they can convert if not sorry uh next discussion point uh the county attorney uh thank you uh to Mr
stein Snider uh read off a planner's definition of an ADU focusing on the fact that ADU is smaller than the principal structure so um we added in language uh clarifying language that the ADU shall be smaller than the principal unit so uh just a small I think oversight on our side but just really
just clarifying that the ADU needs to be smaller so again appreciate Mr steinitider on that and then uh last uh but not least uh this is an item that I I kind of talked about the last time but we weren't really fully prepared and we
really didn't get uh everything cleared up until actually yesterday at 4:00 so I'm happy about that so the planning commission voiced concern about permitting ADUs in locations that rely on infrastructure so roads that may not be safe during storm events right so the
planning commission tasked us with trying to come up with some sort of map or some sort of way to um if we are going to permit ADUs in certain areas make sure that you know we're not adding to a problem um so we added this code language um should an ADU be proposed on
a parcel for which local roadway access is located in a FEMA flood zone administrative review and approval of the ADU by the county administrator or designate is required the county administrator or designate may deny or condition the approval of the ADU if the
local roadway access is unsafe during a storm event using historical flooding data such determination is appealable to the planning commission pursuant to section 407 of this code so basically what that looks like um an ADU building permit is applied for the uh building
permit team would review the segment of the local road between the parcel in question and the next closest division road um and if that segment uh is um if one of these roadway segments falls within a flood zone the PTE department
is notified so an additional evaluation can be done uh so this evaluation will rely on information about emergency response or flooding data provided by other relevant departments so we'll probably reach out to public works and our fire departments to see if this segment of road if in a flood zone
they've had issues before in the past um should no immediate issue be identified permit can continue no problem uh if there are concerns that can be conditioned uh the permit should be conditioned if there are concerns that can't be conditioned the permit will be
denied but that denial is appealable to the planning commission so even if they get a a denial from staff they still have a method to uh kind of go to another body to get an answer so that's how we plan on tackling the uh planning
commission's request Madam Chair yep that would take out everything west of US 19 and this past summer you would probably locked out Zephr Hills and D City too i think you got you're doing too much overreach here if a home's built it's already inhabited it's some people live in there
what's the difference yeah I don't disagree i need one more i'll horse trade with you oh you you win on 900 ft no you win on cutting you win on cutting impact you're
winning there on the impact feet piece that's that that's what you said i'll be on number three the driveway piece though i I need some clarity on that we're going to start requiring driveways being built and all this other I was a bit confused
well they can use the house driveway the original driveway the original driveway i mean if I'm reading this correctly the the House pending House bill would disallow you the ability to increase the
parking requirements for an accessory dwelling unit i'm not saying increase just you have to have some no no it says you may not increase it beyond what the single family Okay that's fine but they just can't park on the grass
they can't take out their landscaping and their grass for the family whatever is moving in well that's not a one-sizefits-all right solution these are going if these go on larger lots then people probably
won't park on in their yard in the backyard but not in the front yard right uh wherever they want i'll show you some photos of people who have lots of ADUs right now
so so that's my entire presentation so um I think there's still some things that you guys would like to discuss and work out and I'm here to answer any questions i don't know if there are any um public here to speak on it but I'm here if there are any other questions
madam Chair why do you want to do do public comment right uh is there anyone here wishes to speak to this ordinance there's no one on WebEx okay back to us commissioner Mar so let's talk about the impact fees
again Commissioner Wman saying that pretty much same people live in the house who stay in the house and this shouldn't be any any extra impact if we can avoid it and we want to really increase the opportunities for people living in affordable housing living with their families which I think is a great
way to go um if we can I would like to make a motion to approve this with 1,200 square feet for a cap mr madam chair Madam Chairman we have given you the legally defensible way to do impact fees in the body of the the I wouldn't go for
that the problem is that once you do this you jeopardize the mobility fees for everything okay i would concur with that i mean these are the size of an apartment if you want if we exempt this use you're effect I'm going to have apartments suing me saying we can't it
doesn't impact these departments either okay all right done okay okay so I'll move approval with the notation that we can go to,200 f feet exactly 1,200 ft if it's an acre or more just,200 ft no
no come on guys if I got a 25 I've got an example right here that's another house it could be built on top of it you don't know what can of worms you're opening up at that size that is not an ADU this is our solution to the live local
act it's better than that well at least give it a shot heck in another 3 weeks legislature might kosh it anyway yeah well I you know I'm the one who pushed for ADUs and this has just been stolen into let's let's just wreck the county that's my opinion on it
don't think it's I'm a very big proponent of ADUs and I've studied them a lot and they're not 1,200 ft so you're just getting around you're going around someone building another house the size I think is going to be by the cost of
the unit i don't think a lot of people can afford to build a 1200 they'll try to build what they need rather than more than they need and I'm sure that it also with HOAs and things like that there might be ways to help but on people's
land you know they're on big a big lot if they're on a big lot they can just build another give some land to their kid madam Chair I I have another suggestion you may tell me to go sit down but I'll lay it out there perhaps we're focusing on the square footage maybe we could cap it no more the ADU
can't exceed two bedrooms per unit i'm fine yeah but but I don't want two-bedroom 1,200 foot no I you know what people will go around that once the walls are up i'm sorry i I I just will not vote for 1,200 ft i just embarrassed
to I'm going to restate my motion but do I have to i don't have to i got a motion in a second second yeah period okay so we have a motion and a second um all in favor roll call roll call roll call okay
wait so just real quick what I missed oh what's the motion 1,200,00 cap what about the storm water um infrastructure piece that you guys talked about at the end are we keeping that or are we removing that um let's go back to that sorry
can you go back to that and it's Yeah I want to leave that out too leave Leave the Spill motor part out okay what wait what are you saying adus will be available in anywhere any size any lot size well well the the the
issue the issue of whether or not that you whether or not you're in a flood zone or we're uh have previous flooding is you're not addressing that issue in
the ordinance it's an ADU is available where an ADU is regardless of increasing density and flood plane because that that's how I understand it and Commissioner Starkle too there's
any way you make the 1200T cap all that does is if someone was to come in to the max it eliminates a bureaucratic step this way I view it it's eliminating a bureaucratic step to come in get the special exception pay the fee for 300
more additional fees well why don't we wave the fees for special exceptions if it's an ADU what do you think nope what the motion wait will anyone else take my amendment to the motion what you're going to have in this county
is people coming in and building 1200t homes on their lots the 1acre lots and they're going to with a different intent than what an ADU is that is what the door you're opening up is was that good English i'm not sure i
understood um that's what that's that's the Pandora that you're opening here i don't think that's what our intent was our intent was to provide a um lower income additional rental space and the
ability for someone to have a a parent or someone who's elderly come stay comfortably with them but what about it wasn't to have a whole family move into your lot in your neighborhood in their own house that's not an ADU these are not inexpensive i didn't say
anything about any these these are when these would these aren't going to be these are going to be expensive so I think when you're up to the size of 1,200 you that that the neighborhood and
the county needs to be able to take a look at it if it's an acre and what that impact is i don't think you should open the door to,200 feet without any rules except the setback really that's what
you're doing here just please call the role roll call district one Commissioner Oakley i district two Commissioner Weman i district four Commissioner Joerger i district five Commissioner Mariano i district three Chairman Starky nay
may I okay we are on P35 yes item P35 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on March 12th 2025 March 19th 2025 March 26 2025 and April 2nd 2025
good afternoon hi Misilli senior planner with Planning Development and Economic Growth item P35 is actually PDE250015 it's an ordinance establishing Mckinry Point Community Development Districts pursuant to chapter 190 Florida statutes
providing for authority and power of the districts providing for powers and duties of the districts providing for the board of super supervisors of the districts providing for the district budget providing for functions of the districts and providing for miscellaneous provisions and finally
providing for an effective date this comes with the recommendation from the planning and development for planning development economic growth um to adopt by roll vote and we have a staff presentation if you wish to hear it good
would anyone in the public like to speak against P35 it's either way on these but Okay i take your There's no one on WebEx uh roll call vote see no seeing no uh public comment move
approval second thank you roll call district one commissioner Oakley hi district two Commissioner Waitman hi district four Commissioner Joerger hi district five Commissioner Mariano hi district three Chairman Starky hi p36
item P36 was published in the Tempe Times on March 5th 2025 thank you Madam Chair pitos Plank Development Economic Growth item P36 is PD250135 this is the land development
code amendment an ordinance by the Paso County Board of County Commissioners for docks and seaw walls it's coming to you with the recommendation today to continue the item to the May 6th meeting in Date City however we're requesting a uh an updated continuance to the May 20
2025 port county commissioners meeting in Newport Richie at 1:30 p.m um Terry before you go further I'm going to have our county attorney give instructions there are two reasonzoning agendas regular and consent staff will present
each application to the board of county commissioners if staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given
five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any
condition of the resoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote
if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within
the board's land development code for reasonzonings madam clerk would you like to swear the public in we only have one item but is there anyone here to speak on the items the rest of the items please stand
okay all right please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God thank you p36 b36 b36 is English is a continuance yes okay
so the continuence again was uh delivered to you on May for May 6 BCC but we're requesting it to be for the May 20 2025 county commissioners meeting in Newport Richie at 1:30 p.m okay so um P37 yeah you need a motion oh I need a
motion to continue move to continue time certain second all in favor i I Okay item P37 yep okay okay item P37 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on February 19th 2025 and 2025 and affidavit of certified mailings and site
postings item P37 is PD257859 this is a zoning amendment the name of St joe Walk Incorporated/Sew Walk it's a change in zoning from an ER2 Estate Residential District to an ER estate residential
district in northeast Pasco County south at the southeast corner of the intersection of Shar Road in St joe road containing approximately 66.82 acres this comes to you with the recommendation of approval from the local planning or for the planning commission and from the planning economic growth department there were
two late expartes that were received from commissioner weightman and commissioner Oakley these expartes were emailed and received by the clerk's office uh previous to this meeting um what's the difference between the ER2 estate residential and the ER estate
residential essentially it's 2 and 1/2 er2 is 2 and 1/2 acre lots and ER is a 1acre lot one acre lot this has moved 2 and 1/2 acres to 1 acre lot any discussion well yeah but you can still if if I can
explain it a little better um between St joe and um St go road where it where it crosses at Sharper Road and Lake Ola Road and uh Jasmine Road and Curry Road meeting
St joe there's two areas of interest here because the fact of it is this would go from 2 and 1/2 acres to 1 acre tracks but when we were looking at the northeast rule and going through the advisory committee my vision came out
that the area of St joe should be a small community center in that area that would service the people in the rural area around that and so in saying that I have no problem with moving from the 2
and 1/2 acre sites to the 1acre sites and it's actually on the opposite side the north side is a Catholic church and a Cath and a school on the other side of the road there the thought came up in looking at this the other day that the
possibility maybe two roundabouts one at St joe and Jasmine and Curley and one up at Lake Iola Sharbor and St joe a roundabout would tend to slow traffic down in this area and also because of
the school there right next road on the north side and the church and then opposite you'll have one acre sites with the possibility on a strip of land on the corner of Sharbor and St joe which is the doing what on the corner
southeast the corner of St joe and Charter Road there's a possibility there can come some commercial which is across the old St joe's store you don't want it to be stripped out right but but to add neighborhood commercial
it's already there i see it on the other Isn't that where that restaurant was that I always wanted to go to yeah and that restaurant's coming back that's a cute little commercial node there yeah and that's why I say it's a it's a my vision is that that would be a community node that Yeah could be used this way so
the 1acre lots in between Shar and Curly would not be an issue because it's in within that community and it would actually with a roundabout should slow down traffic so well should we round outs are not something we're voting on today it's a possibility in the future
well do you want to take the corner and make that C1 well it's not part of this oh it's a separate uh product property that will come to us later so it's not something that would be done right now you're talking about the north all we're
doing the east corner will come back because we're No the southeast that southeast corner isn't that the southeast corner that we're reszoning today yes that's the southeast corner why not the I think if their intent is
to have that corner be commercial what I would be but that's not here today right so the proposal here is to go from ER2 to ER which is actually it's a little it's a little bit of a history involved in which one could argue that there was
a scrivener's error in the previous zoning action that this should have always been ER nevertheless they're only proposing what you see in the pink there to change the zoning back to er the commercial properties are located on the west side of um Lake Iola which is on
the north side of St joe and so that's where I think the commissioner is referring to we had lots of discussions over the years about how commercial should form up in the northeast Paso County rural area and uh in some of those previous conversations there was
very limited applications of commercial in the existing locations i think the commissioner and correct me if I'm wrong is highlighting the fact that there's existing commercial at this intersection that's good that's a good point but also and Terry doesn't know that yet but it's
also a possibility that on the southeast corner when they bring in that that property for zoning you mean the southwest it could be a commercial dove right on that corner too on the southwest so it makes all Yeah makes
three corners commercial yes see what I'm saying yes yeah but but not all four it's just a separate i would make all four commercial it's like a village look but no strip centers you don't want a strip center in village in a little
village like Yeah that's always St joe's always been a community in the rural area so like to bring a bike trail to it we might could they travel that in there we're doing all right
yeah we'll work on that um this is um on consent but is there anyone here wants to speak against this item no one's on WebEx no chair yep um you bring up a good point so right along St joe
Road are they putting a trail out in the front yeah that there should be a place for a multi-use path that's a very traveled road surprised you didn't pick up on that well I think um I think make all the road that goes by the RV park
going out on a map can you 41 might that might be a connection of the route for the bikes well if kids that live in the neighborhood and they want to get up to the neighborhood commercial there it would be good if they're not in the road riding their bikes oh I
understand that yeah yeah so what is but this is a straight reszoning and that would have to be addressed at time site all right another issue so we'll deal with that next time um so I'll make I'll make a motion that
we public comment there wasn't any okay i'll second okay all in favor i opposed okay okay we are back to um commissioner items um oh wait I wait guys I have one more
question on the ADU um just want to make sure we covered all our bases uh do we have any architectural considerations of what people put in their yards does it need to match if you're building a separate house do you want it
to match the vernacular of the house or can it be You're preempted we're preempted it should be it should match there you go oh look what we just did bring it on that's It's going to be the last legislative session they basically
told you you couldn't regulate our so it can be interrupt 31414 Pasco Road i appreciate your vote of confidence i did want to tell you though Terry pointed out was a scribblers error that and this thing was lingering since 2006 but also want to just acknowledge your staff they
helped us through this to try to clean it up so thank you very much okay all right great okay um Commissioner Jagger me yep okay well um first I would just like I know Sheriff Nako talked to
you guys all separately um and he was talking about his helicopters and aviation and I started I don't go first i started the wrong place that's what he was wondering cuz I was looking that way commissioner Oakley we're not We're changing all i'm
sorry i mean you're chairman and you can yeah i'm just a little not happy today go ahead Commissioner okay so I'm not going not yet okay that was just a practice just wanted to see if you were paying attention i know the guy in the middle commissioner Oakley you know that
guy yeah this is when we had our trip up to um Tallahassee and we got a different folks that we we were able to meet with and uh was this the second time cuz I was there the first time it might
have been his second time but it was my first time but I will say Oh that's right i felt better about our attendance in Tallahassee this time over what we did the time before last year this felt
a lot better and uh I think everybody was on board with what we were trying to push through so for the betterment of all our citizens so but um then we had the
uh we had this uh lunch reception with the group the seniors um senior services annual lunch and you can't tell because they don't have moving parts but I'm actually dancing with these ladies on
the left there you go oh that's funny they kept bothering me to dance to dance with them so I finally got up and danced with him then I spoke to him and then the gentleman his name first name is George he was 100 years old and we sat
and talked with him and he's been in the area for quite a while so it was very nice and then we um let's see where's Oh and this is a graduation of the fire fire rescue class of
253 and it's amazing at the bright young women young men and women that that come forward to be firefighters EMS and all i was told that this might be because we've had an influx of
new candidates for our fire fire services um since a couple years ago we've changed we got in with the D-shift and it has brought a lot more and turned us around as far as losing uh I believe it was prior to two years ago
we lost in public safety we lost 72 individuals in that year and this this past year we only lost two did you say so it's turned around and and we're within maybe one more class of having
finished hiring for for our Dshift and from that point on then there'll probably be smaller because we're going to still have to bring in new people because we'll lo from time to time we're going to lose some people so but it's a better pro program than having to lose
all of them and try to hire them all back so this is a very good program a good very good outlet for the citizens of Pasco County to have these folks uh do their part in uh working with citizens in the fire
rescue and EMS very important um y'all remember the story on the fire EMS and one of the firefighters that went out a gentleman had the emitter over here in Newport
Richie the firefighter stopped and treated a man that had a heart attack mowing his yard and then they they got him stable and moved him to the hospital and then later that day they came back and mo finished mowing the yard for the gentleman that had the heart attack i love it amazing and that's that's what
our firefighters he got honored at the It's very good everybody I think everybody remembers that so it's hard to forget that story so very nice all right that's all I have commissioner Weightman thank you ma'am uh no no no updates for
committee reports this meeting but um first want to give a shout out to our Pasando State College Bobcats i think we all saw they're ranked first place in the Sun Coast Conference in the
NJCAA Division One as of right you know they're 39 they're 33 and9 overall nine and two in the Sunlake Conference and uh as this month they still hold the rank of first place so first time ever in the program's history and uh so congratulations to Dr paisers and ball
coach and all the players uh as they box it out this season good job and then uh next it was honor to represent the board um at Johns Hopkins groundbreaking um I think everybody here
will soon be hearing hearing from them just an exciting exciting piece of medical infrastructure and business coming to Pasco and to see the kids talk and and the community gather around um it's 112 acre site it's
will have 56 beds and 16 emergency rooms and um I think there'll be a lot of synergies between uh intersections at 52 and 75 with um column NAR's project double branch and and what we have at
Overpass and 75 so excited to to see them break ground and they're planning on opening their doors in 2027 and uh the community seems to really be rallying around them and just just such a a wonderful opportunity for
for service for kids and families not just here but Citrus and Sumpter and Hernando and everybody on up to the north and the Northeast and Bayare want to congratulate Bayare uh you know they're
on Bruce B downs and we're recognized by the times as the best place one of the best places to work uh here this year and so it's just good to see all the competition amongst our providers uh to compete you know brings in great talent
hopefully great residents you know they want to move here and live here and bring their families and and have a great life here in Pasco County so thank you to all the healthcare providers and Um glad to see that good things are on the
horizon and that's it Madam Chair okay uh Commissioner Jagger now you get to go okay well I'll do my pictures first okay so this was this was Oh this place was really neat um Katherine you should definitely tour this place if you haven't this is called Hope Services so
they I've had to cancel on them twice but Yeah oh no yeah so they're great so they teach um culinary retail construct construction hospitality computer skills and they support um tutoring and um the one picture that was just shown this for
for um kids with special needs yep kids with special needs and then this right here um the keeps going away okay so the this is donated by um IKEA they had an extra um conveyor belt so there's a place for groceries and kids can scan
them and they learn how to count change and all of that um they have the products over there are they're free to people in the community that they can try certain expensive products without having to buy them so the whole thing was very interesting they have a woodworking program uh they have all
sorts of they have one room and it doubles as a hospitality room where they have a day bed that comes down so the kids learn how to make the beds and things like that it was it was very impressive okay next slide she just came on the career source board with me oh did she and this was one more child this
was Everybody should go visit this place but they they say one more child one more family and they're big into um hunger and just wrapping around the family and they have a grocery store set up where people can come shop and pick up food so that was amazing okay next
slide i'll try and remember these quick okay and this is all this was their legacy wall okay next slide and we've also partnered with them with Grace's food pantry so um so families will be will be able to help
feed families here in um Pesco so the only reason I'm showing my popup pantry again is we fed 297 people two weeks ago we have another one tomorrow and 35 new families so it it's just it's really going great out
there okay next one uh this was the grand opening for a McDonald's they said I could make a sandwich and I declined so I made fries um and then they just thanked me for all their help and said I could pick a charity of my choice for $1,000 donation
so I picked Grace's food pantry nice and that hamburger and uh drink is a cake so and this was really cool too um for everybody if um you know somebody that needs a job if they pay 25 get $25
deducted out of their paycheck McDonald's will match it and give them lift rides to work so I thought that was pretty cool all right next slide and this was XGen X we had the ribbon cutting for that yesterday and that was all about um food safety and um food
born you know trying to get away with a away from food born illnesses that was very impressive um go ahead next slide this Okay this was and everybody every machine had a name that was auto they it was it was really neat i encourage everybody to take a tour and it's a
beautiful building okay and everything is uh sourced in the United States and this was a ground o the groundbreaking for our new fire station going up in your district Catherine okay no it's Jack's it is yes oh I thought it was
yours okay so back to what I was saying so take two um I know Sheriff Nobody and gave them a presentation and I was very moved by you know we know that they have issues with their helicopters they're old um they're
having a hard time getting parts for the helicopters and they have an an opportunity to buy two used helicopters basically for the price of one uh they come fully fully stocked um it even has
a water bucket so fire rescue can use it um I would love to um make a motion to um allow them to have the $7.5 million and leave it kind
of at the there's discretion we can figure out where where it's coming from but it is timesensitive because Valuchia County needs to know by tomorrow um if any of you would like a presentation Chase can present do a presentation or
or talk on that um do any of you have any questions that maybe Chase can answer but I I personally would love to see the sheriff get these helicopters they're going to we'll be using them in the storms to get people off their their roofs their their helicopters are aging
this is a time where we get two for one helicopters i asked if they had storage for them um the answer is yes so I think this is a great deal um I'll second that motion um I didn't cast when I had the presentation that they wanted
both of them i knew they wanted one of them so they have six now but I know some of them aren't yeah so the two that they they use currently are Well they have six two are not safe to fly right and the
two they have Well the two they use now that they're having a hard time finding parts so this is a good time a two for one if it comes out of their budget you know well this would if I may this is what what what the commissioner is proposing actually would be an amendment
to the sheriff's budget so we would ask the board to amend the sheriff's budget in an amount up to 7.5 million the sheriff believes that there may be some wiggle room on that price but that would be an upper limit and then you know to purchase these two helicopters from
Valuchia County was one and we would use you would allow us to make the determination on the appropriate and available funding sources to to source that from Okay and can the sale of the then then I would ask that you get rid of all the other ones that are costing us a lot of maintenance i'll let Chase
Daniels speak to that yes ma'am uh Chase Daniels Pasco Sheriff's Office uh 8661 Citizens Drive Newport Richie yes ma'am so the the presentation the sheriff gave the the one that we were speaking about that was a a full cost one that we that we uh believe would cost around $7.5
million we would need two of those we were just going to ask we were asking for one this year and then one the following year to recapitalize our our airfleet um to Commissioner Joerger's point we currently have four O58s those are the Vietnam era airframes we basically fly two and then we use two
for for parts so our intent is to and that that's why as the administrator noted it's an upper limit we believe that we're going to be able to negotiate that price down because of uh the parts and the able to and the ability to scavenge those to a level lower than $7.5 million but the the one was at a
full cost but we have the ability from Valuchia to get two for we we believe it to be somewhere in the in the ballpark of less than $7 million to get two instead of asking for for one this year at a full cost of seven and a half and then a second one the next year but how many how many are you going to get rid
of so our our intent is to get rid of all four of the O58s right just another thing I want to I want to point out is not only will the That's four you have six yes ma'am we we we still we have two Hueies and it's our intent as well the these 407s we'll be getting from Valuchia County have the
ability to do the Bambi bucket operations and things like that so it's our our intent to phase out the the Hueies as well but we'll get rid if we sell the if we sell the other ones that could help us get the money to pay for these yes ma'am to sell the Hueies right so uh so I I can talk to to the Huey so
we we did uh talk to the company in Valuchia County uh to to be quite honest no one wants the Huey so um our our our intent is to use them out kind of save some mileage on on these new helicopters but then uh once they're gone they'll be gone because no no one wants to to buy
them so I I want to clarify now based on what you've said and if the board is there so if we amend the sheriff's budget to 7 and a half million upper limit to do that but the total amount paid for the helicopters do you want to offset that with any revenue that they collect on
the salvage value of those helicopters that's what I'm hearing absolutely okay all right so we'll we'll that's the board's intent okay i mean and and Mike I'm glad you're speaking to where the money's going to come from i'd like to hear that discussion um and I'm I'm I'm good with getting the helicopters but I
want to see every bit that you you get rid of all the other helicopters shoes and all just clear it all out down to two the reason I I always told you need two is in case one's being worked on you got to have the other one to go so that's the case we only need two cuz I also heard from years that we're going to start doing more drone work etc for
other things so between all that I think two two helicopters is fine we don't need to be working on any more than just those two because those still are going to be expensive the the only thing I have to say to that is until I think the drone program is in full force right now
they'll have the two new ones but like in a storm you're talking emergency management would be able to tap into them the fire department the police department we're going to be able to transport a patient drop them off at a hospital like on a helicopter pad i mean no I agree with the two i'm saying this what and and again that was part of my
discussion too was they need helicopters still for rescues etc and the rescues that everybody did together was phenomenal so for that reason I'm okay with the helicopters i'm just saying to CL to save expenses on everything else go do it also to liquidate to cut the the actual cash down and I think it's
only 7 million we need right not 7.5 it's well 7 and a half was the upper limit that was requested by the sheriff so we would when they finalized the price we would what we would amend the budget for the amount of the sale and then we would expect that upon salvage value that we would refund those dollars
back into the wherever we you're not going to get 7 million obviously so no presumably you know for example so if the salvage value is a million dollars then then we would whatever it would be just goes back to the Yes sir we took the money from Yeah well put those
details out for the sheriff and and if I could um we would also probably offer or or our thought is to offer to get the cost down um because I know the intermediary that that Valuchia County is working for they have interest in some of our O58 parts because they're so difficult to obtain so we that that is
where we we envision getting that that money down so there may not be true revenue coming back but it may drop the purchase price from from 7 million to you know five 5.75 or something like that once we get the the parts but then any of that money would would be returned to the county works best but we
can get rid of the Hues yes ma'am not phase them out we can sell them we we will we will certainly we will certainly do our do our best to sell but we will at the very least not use them if we can find if we can find a buyer okay another sheriff's department somewhere i just had a question i want to be sure
we're getting two from Valuchia yes seven and a half or less hope uh we we believe less but but yes sir well we're getting those two from there too and and they will also be be fully equipped as well so uh the seven and a half that is just the that would have been just the
airframe but these are are fully equipped all right awesome okay Commissioner Wait Chase I I think you should put those Hueies up public auction for a dollar i think it's what you should do someday they'll haul them off all right
can I make a motion then you did or I did second it right yes okay uh so the motion is that we will advance the money um now we'll amend we will amend the sheriff's budget we will amend the sheriff's budget up to $7.5 million
for the purchase of two helicopters from Felia County using available and appropriate funding sources which budget though the current budget no we will amend his current budget so he can purchase them and then when he when they settle on the deal then we will transfer
the money so they can close and and do the purchase that way we're only exchanging what we what we actually need that would be the intent seven and a half is enough so it's coming out of reserve our reserves so most likely the reason I asked for flexibility on that is I want to check out this just bubbled up yesterday from from my I mean we've been
talking about it but in terms of seriousness bubbled up yesterday due to the urgency and the need of sale most likely the vast majority will come from general fund reserves however if there are other sources that are more restrictive I want to try to use those available funds we like it when you get
creative we do that and lastup's good and I but I want to see the other parts as far as the other helicopters being removed yeah that's part of the rest of the for Mr daniels here that that may be part of the negotiation as part of the bundle but whatever's left our offices will ensure full
transparency on salvage value and purchase of the new to reduce the expense to the general fund reserves okay all in favor i oppose all right go shopping thank Thank you thank you all very much and thank you Commissioner Jerger for bringing this forward but thank you all for your support thank you
Ministry for uh this is a game changer for our folks and we we do appreciate it so and we need it for our citizens and we want our our folks flying in safe helicopters we don't want emergency landings and golf courses or wherever that was yes ma'am three three in the last six months so uh we certainly look forward to uh to
avoiding those in the future and I love that every You know what I mean could be used in emergency management fire can use it it's just it's a great focus yes ma'am all right um thank you so much do you have more Commissioner J no I'm done okay commissioner Mariano all right do you have those pictures Tony yes sir all
right um so we just had the Chesco Fiesta great success from the opening day from the parade they say revenuers were up better than they ever been before um okay the end was end concert on
Saturday night was the Embry Brothers opening up with the frontmen coming behind him never heard of them before but they had some awesome songs which I actually knew uh just a just a great event great weather all the way through uh this Saturday at April 12th at 10:00
a.m we're going to be up at Sunwest Park uh for the ribbon cutting that's my group of friends that wanted to go friends and relatives from out of town bunch of few tourists in there um had a great time so uh so April 12th at Sunwest we're going to do a ribbon cutting for the new
trail it's going to go all the way around the park it's going to be the first 5K run there i'm anticipating and for everybody who has nonprofits schools etc i think countywide we could do at least one a weekend or two a weekend and it could be four as time goes on uh I
want to work with Sports Coast uh to go put all the supplies out there for these 5K runs because when you can run a 5K run without having to put the supplies up the extra expenses the money can stay in the community better you can bring more people in because you'll have a better flexibility with it all and I
think that uh it's a great opportunity to to do many other things the Scholar Fest dates have been set uh it's going to be opened up with the uh American Stones and as we all know the Point Distillery makes the rum for the um
Rolling Stones the Hurricane Rum which they released a few months back they're making it internationally now uh I think it's going to be great to have a presentation with them there and the American Stones to kick it all off we've got tremendous local bands so it's going to start Thursday night July 24th and
then run every Friday and Saturday um uh every weekend we're going to have it's going to be much more friendly uh family friendly this week uh this run because we're added the Sundays in it as well and and during the day on Saturday so I think it's going to be a great event u the Sertoma group is still going to help
do the running with uh help running it with steps to recovery that veterans program uh so between all that I think it's going to be a great great event coming up and just so everyone knows I did miss those ribbon cutings groundbreings yesterday i was on my way up to go talk to Fish and Wildlife for a
meeting to talk about the aquatic reserve uh we're actually going to do that meeting today instead at four o'clock good luck thank you thank you for taking that up Mr carbala i have several items it's going to take just a couple of minutes i'll go in I think Ralph's one of them order of uh least to
most difficulty here uh I'll start with I I met with you individually we had to submit yesterday to the state uh department of government efficiency a letter uh essentially certifying that we were not in financial distress as a county i had the chair sign that letter and and we have put that forward we'll
send you a copy there madam clerk um I'd like to bring Ralph up to talk about federal appropriation requests real quick that go i got a message ralph Blair intergovernmental affairs officer so I have a great opportunity where I can get a helicopter so if you
could just approve that I'll be good on a happy note um so I just wanted to bring up speed with the uh federal budget for 2025 2025 the last couple of weeks the uh the
last two weeks the uh feds decided not to allow earmarks uh to go forward for the 2025 uh um continuing resolution to finish out for the rest of the year so we had several projects in play with Congressman Bill
Arachus and Congresswoman Lee did not know if they would open the door to allow uh for 2026 uh projects but they did so within the past uh last week uh so going forward it's
been recommended to us that um Congressman Bill Arachus would like us to resubmit the the exactly as they were last time last year the four projects we had which was for a pedestrian overpass at 54 and Sun Coast Parkway for 6.2 uh
the Pasco County Area Agency on Aging uh we were looking at $4 million there um Pesco Extension Road at Moffett complex this is for Moffett uh they're not able to put a project in for $3 million and
then we had a inline chlorine booster station project for $6,8440 to make it easier Bill Arachus is saying keep it as is do not make any changes resubmit those for the 2026 time
um and then for Congresswoman Lee she had two projects that she had um last year but she pulled the trigger a couple about almost a month ago uh seeking input for 2026 uh not knowing if if that
was going to be allowed for eararks so we we came up with three projects um ba based on projects we were looking at at the state level that we did not accept for our state project and uh we move
forward with uh a fire station number 31 uh which is over in the Wesley Chapel area um Old Woods Avenue and Winfield Boulevard intersection improvements and a reclaimed water improvement project all these are within her district uh in
the Wesley Chapel area um and then today um her office reached out to me and said they would also um allow us to submit the uh two projects from 2025 which in that case was for a
sidewalk at Livingston Road that we had last year and another chlorine booster in the Crystal Springs area um near Zephr Hills now with uh Congresswoman Lee so she'll have five projects to look at and then
she will she'll tell us within the next two weeks week to two weeks which projects she will move forward on we will probably get two projects uh I anticipate I don't know if we'll get any more she's got several counties she's got to deal with and each commission or
each congressman only is allowed 15 projects so it's kind of hard when you have multiple counties so with your approval I'd like to have those uh they need to be submitted by Friday into their offices as we move forward for the 2026 uh budget process with Congress i I
have one one question um uh the area agency on aging do they have a location already for their supportive senior housing yes uh they do and so everywhere just want to make sure they had a location yeah they do anybody else
anybody else have any questions commissioner Bay I would like to have this discussion ahead of time to to move it forward i would also like to put something in with that Hud Hudson Industrial Park we're trying to make happen um I know we put those Well we don't get any new projects in Bellarus's
area he he wants us to stay with the 2025 make it as simple as possible yeah the only the only reason we had additional projects in in Congresswoman Lee's office is because they started their project so much earlier and asked us for that so okay no I I move to
approve second all in favor i I thank you let's hope it goes through this year that was tough news when they canceled on it is it is um Okay two more to go here i I would like to bring Mr engel up if the board is good he was They were
almost complete with their presentation and I think there's just five minutes left that they would like to cover so David thank you we're going to start off with Hayatt Misilli just going over the schedule for Pasco 2050 thank you thank you hi Miselli planning and
planning development economic growth take two should we bring up the presentation thank you Tony so um this slide is showing the anticipated timeline for the Pasco 2050 comprehensive plan update completion we are on track to finalize the goal
objectives and policies of the chapters um along with the future land use map um updated future land use map series uh we anticipate in May June time frame to um hold workshops with the local planning
agency and with the BOCC and we're going to take it back to the public in July of 2025 um and we'll open conversations open conversations um through a series of open houses and
that's when the public gets to review what's in the plan and of course provide us with our comments and just I want to note that before we go to the open houses we will have all of our chapters up in our website in the June time frame
so we'll give the public enough time to review the documents and by mid August through September we um will start the public hearing process with the LPA and the BOCC and following that we'll transmit the
plan the Pasco 2050 plan to Florida Commerce and assuming and praying that everything goes well with Florida Commerce we will um start the adoption process in the November December time frame and the exciting part starts in
2026 when we actually make the Pasco 2050 vision a reality nice okay any questions are most of these uh open houses going to be at night time it's going to be at 6 p.m yes 6:00 to 8
and it's going to be countywide so we'll have one in each of y'all districts welcome thank you okay thank you good and we have Terry right and I and I believe there were some questions about VOP and the board desired discussion so uh Narios PTOs will come up and finish
off his uh Q&A thank you good afternoon commissioners victoria PTO's planning development economic growth um as I was mentioning earlier this morning the BOP financial plan is being assessed essentially this summer um I'm not going
to repeat all the points that I made earlier about what the assessment will take a look at uh suffice it to say that we are currently in the data and analysis phase there will be policy synthesizing taking place among staff and and our consultant uh with the LPA
and DOP um planning and policy committee in the June time frame and hopefully bringing this before this plan before the or the assessment before the board in July um at the same time as all of the open houses are taking place with the comprehensive plan update we'll also
be working the 2025 mobility fee update study this study was last updated in 2021 uh there this will update all of our tables our mobility fee tables that get charged to the various land uses and time of certificate of uh occupancy um
the state has mandated updates approximately every four years and sets limits on how much you can increase the fee year year to year uh this is our 4-year update that's taking place we are looking to determine these types of policy questions here the consolidation
of the tables adding new and additional land use codes um to make the tables a little bit more uh flexible and address the current uh marketplace uh we're going to be asking questions on how much incentive we should be providing to our preferred you land uses we're also going
to be asking the question about how much incentive should we be providing to our non-prever preferred uh land uses and then also similar to how we talked about in the VOP financial plan assessment you know we have to take a look at what our
right preservation assumptions include what the mobility fees can actually fund what kind of infrastructure requirements do we have to potentially change given the changing environment for the uh changing fiscal environment that we're in uh one thing that is for certain the
mobility fee ordinance must be effective January 1 2026 because December 31 2025 ends our current mobility fee schedules oh so this has to be effective January 1 which means that we can't miss correct which means that uh we're looking at the
local planning agency seeing the mobility fee update study potentially probably in July at the schedule with the first BCC hearing happening on the subject in August and the second one following that following on the heels of that at the second August meeting uh so
that we can give enough time to do system updates within Aella and get prepared for the January 1 effective date um at a minimum we just need to get fiscal 26 mobility fee tables or excuse me calendar year 26 mobility fee tables
in on January 1 and then we can follow up with the 2027 2028 2029 schedules um thereafter but in effect this mobility fee update study will be mapping out the mobility fee schedules for 2026 2027 2028 and 2029 okay just like the 21
update did everything else we need to put that revenue against our our vision map see see if we can build the roads we need madam Chair where's that coming from yeah so look at the influx of
apartments especially the Wesley Chapel area i don't know if we collect enough from apartments for these mobility fees is there a way to look closely at that because you get working people usually they're about in and out every day twice a day three times a day whatever it may
be evenings sometimes but at least prime time at at peak hours where everything's based upon where big traffic is i want you to take a close look at that i don't think it just should be based on square footage but pretty much what's the real impact because they have had a dramatic
effect and I and frankly if there's a way to consider uh with this impact where if live local is passed by the time this goes on I think that's another impact that should be factored in because other people going to pay us taxes on property tax where we can actually re reimburse these guys don't
and maybe that's something that should be looked at as well can you actually go ahead and send all the commissioners the mobility fee schedule who pays what and who doesn't pay anything yes actually you can find it on I'll
send it to you all uh but it is online and I can uh I can send it to you and as far as the multif family piece um right now there is no incentive being applied to multif family it's the straight cost and mobility fees it's it hits they pay
100% mobility fee today this year and um uh hotels have a a reduction there's it's zero for industrial those are the preferred land uses right there's a certain set of preferred land uses where the mobility fee is currently set at $0
it's 100% subsidized so I I just think we need to look at everything we need to see what we're getting and see the cost of the roads we need and figure out if we're doing the right thing because we don't we people need to are
going to be in in 10 years we need more roads i mean we just flatten more roads so we need to make be sure that we're building our road network like we need to who you looking at i would just want to ask a quick question to Davidson really quick on the side well all you Madam
Chair one more comment about apartments something I want to make sure and I've tied the conversation with staff and I think they agree but from here on through with all the apartments we want to make sure we have our park requirements fully set up yep we want to make sure we have all our um We can't do
parking what's that did you see in the Senate bill that's proposed they can have 20% less parking i mean they they don't even have to have one parking space per unit so park parking is an issue we're going to I
know there's discussion being had on that issue that's and it's tough with Sunshine we don't we don't know what these compensations are but literally we don't want to give a single break to these things if we've got a park ordinance in place it's going to be fulfilled right what if we have a land development code buffers etc just no
smack whatsoever and up to 10 stories and another thing to your um less parking then we also I'd love to tackle another day but predatory towing because what these people do is they walk up and down the aisles so these people in the town houses and the apartments if they have someone visiting and they don't
have a sticker they tow them right away well they won't have any visitors because there won't be parking for them uh if if live local goes through just to reiterate what Terry said um we are charging apartments the maximum that we can currently charge now as part of
our mobility fee update we are going to be looking at cost increases to the extent we have cost increases we will make sure we're passing those on to departments just like we would any other use but you we can continue to charge departments the maximum possible that's
you just got to make sure that that's a given i just want to make sure that whatever studies you're using are legit because literally the traffic we have out there from these apartments is breaking down our roads um I have a question on that it is based
on the latest IT trip generation and so we will make sure that it's all that's why we do an update every four years is to make sure we're capturing all those costs and increases in traffic a a question on if um these come in and they're off the tax roles um are they so they're off the track rolls for property
tax but are they still on the tax roles for tangible tax um it's it's I believe so it's their it's something we need to find out so I want to be clear we don't currently have any live local projects that are off the tax
rules the the the first two How about what's coming the first two that were applied for were denied by the property appraiser um and then we opted out after that so as long as we continue to opt out and we're eligible to opt out they would not be coming i think they're
taking that away they as of right now it is there is no opt out yeah they're taking that away i I don't even think it's on the table the House is hearing so I think we're talking about two different issues um the op the the bill that would eliminate our ability to opt out my
understanding from Ralph is not moving the other bill that that makes the land use preeemption worse is moving and has gone through the Senate and I don't know where it is in the House i can get Ralph up here and he can help us out with that
but there was two different bills one was going to limit our opt out the other was going to limit what we do on land use okay only one of those is moving so we still be able to opt out my understanding and yeah my understand
Yeah our understanding is is that an opt out provision will still be allowed that's that's brand new today oh brand new today yes okay that's good oh I I I I got a call on Mr albritten so Well if if there if the bill that hurts us on
the opt out is moving somebody needs to tell me that because that's that would be news to me there's literally Okay we'll we'll have since we're talking about it okay that's good all right um yes please mail the uh the current mobility fee the way it breaks
out to everybody for their knowledge and anything else that's it okay very good okay last item so before you is a uh memorandum uh from myself regarding invocations at the
board of county commissioner meetings um there's been a little bit of a paper shuffle here so I would like to if I could just kind of uh read read through a couple of these verbatim um so at your uh January board meeting the board discussed potential alternatives to the
current invocation so both county attorney's office and county administration have researched the matter and recommend one of the following and there'll be some sub options with this too but these are for your consideration option one is to update and modernize the invocation to a form that stays within the framework of
existing laws following the process that the county has traditionally used that would basically update the existing prayer and I have one to suggest well and then and I there there are attached to this a couple of just generic versions that an internet search can
drum up i in no means preferring what the other but we do not have you should she just replaced the we just have the cover memoage yeah it was whole package out there was nothing attached
to it was on the day when it was passed out recycled it the supporting documents also show what other counties and other municipalities jurisdictions do just based on an inform formal survey phone calls and searches
that we've been able to do second option would be to direct county administration to institute an administrative process to objectively schedule external officients to provide the invocation now this does open the door to interfaith afficients and is legally defensible now
alternatively the county administrator could rotate official chaplain from the public safety branch to provide an appropriate or relevant invocation option three would be um uh institute a moment of silence for personal prayer reflection with perhaps
an opening statement to focus on a specific matter or current event for example ask wisdom as we discuss the county bud budget and/or pray for persons recently affected by natural disaster alternatively the board could ask each member to also provide an in an an invocation uh local governments
violate the constitution if they organize and conduct their prayers in a way that discriminates against other religious beliefs invocations may not denigrate non-believers or religious minorities threaten damnation or preach uh conversion uh and so as I mentioned
before that being said we did poll other jurisdictions you can see what other jurisdictions do um and it it varies it varies widely and um at this point it's it's really the uh this is board policy and how he wants to conduct its meetings so at this point we'll answer questions
if necessary i I'm for either the that one of the prayers i've read them they're fine or either our public you know somebody one of our chaplain doing the prayer i'm for either of those madam Chair yes so I like that Penelis County does and I'll say I'll throw
another one regional planning council there's like 22 member governments it'll kind of like make kind of rotate it between all the uh members that that want to do it um it's worked fine just someone gets up stands up says a prayer
and away they go um I like Penllis County because it gives the invocation themselves as commissioners or they can invite and if they choose to they can invite a county chaplain in and I think if you add it to another speaker so be it and then that the individual
commissioner for that week can decide how he wants to handle it himself and just rotate it between all of us quick simple easy no bureaucratic things and no one's going to be able to challenge that either yes they will yeah that's the no successfully well the the so I
don't I don't know what Penelis's background is but if you adopt that pro process the recommendation is going to be you're going to have to have a outline of how you're getting
those those pastors the the the case that Bvard County lost in 2019 was exactly that fact scenario where they only invited in pastors from certain churches within the county and that's what got them in trouble so I'm that's
what the 11th circuit that's the law for for our jurisdiction i I have one I'm going to suggest to us that I think is pretty good but I'll wait a new prayer but do you guys have anything to say you want to hear mine that I got on okay i
kind of like this because it is time to ref refresh what we say and um I think this kind of speaks more uh to what we do here so it's it says "Gracious God we invite you into our discussions today unite our hearts and guide our
conversations with wisdom and patience." See I needed that today um help us to seek solutions that honor you and benefit everyone involved i love it i like it too i think it centers us before we start it'll become it's good but it lose its
it's its feeling after a while it become well we change we can change it again like it is now i like the idea of rotating our official chaplain um from our different our different branches um they're in touch
with the hardships that our employees are going through or their family whether it's or good or bad really and they see what's going on with the citizenry especially the ones that are struggling if they're in our jail or they show up to to you know different
different functions i just feel like they're a good extension of board members being out in the public but they're focused on what they're focused on and I think that they could help speak
to the day or even the national issues that are going on and be able to to hone in on what we need to to pray for as a board and as a as a as a county so I like I like that option
um and then I'm also an option of rotating board members or picking a board board chaplain um similar to what Commissioner Mariano was talking about but um it's time to freshen up and make
it make it human again and Commissioner Oakley do you want someone to come here my my concern about having someone come here is that we barely fit in our morning meetings the time and so
um you know I'm I'm okay with kind of continuing on with the time we've allotted but freshening up what we say if we need another sentence on this I'm all ears or if we want to pick one but for me bringing someone else then it's
it's just it's going to be like we barely get through what we got if they're not here on time maybe you know 20 weeks then we need a backup plan like you said yeah I think I'd be fine with one of our chaplain and either the fire department or even under the
sheriff even if he's got a chaplain so I think those are Does the sheriff have a chaplain oh yeah he does or he Oh yeah a couple madam Chair so back to Panelis without mind adding more speakers on if
you go with the commissioners alternate between giving the invocation themselves and inviting and inviting county chaplets if they choose to use the prayer that you liked but someone else got another prayer they want to use they can use it would you still incorporate
that um can I add something yes so if however we we go however we decide that if the person is not here on time that we have a different prayer that we say so we run on time okay and your prayer
and um I used to go to the Catholic church and now I go to a Presbyterian church and um some prayers can be very lengthy so if we're going to be bringing someone in I'd like to uh hold you know ask them to hold
it to a certain time period because I think we need some boundaries we can manage that and again I think it needs to be a non-denominational Yeah message generic yes it needs to
serve God stick with God and not alienate um uh members of our community that that are in various religions minister are you saying are one of our chaplain doing this now yeah it's got to be not like
outside religious folks just our chap you're not going to be able to if the only way you'd be able to to sort of write the script is if it's our people if you Once you go outside only our only our I just want to make sure for clarity
we're talking about our chaplain yes you're talking about the sheriff chaplain or the fire chap i'm the fire corrections chaplain which and if we need to but I mean we have several chaplain we can we can obviously commissioner control the amount of time and of course keep try you know make
sure that these things stay within the boundaries of so good with so we rotating with the commission to make that call as we go or do you just want to have it oh just have them on a rotating yeah just have them all right who knows then you don't have to schedule that i'm good i'm good with
that that's good okay and also add the backup prayer in case they're running okay good okay so we'll adopt so chaplain from public safety yep and we'll we'll schedule them as effective 422 we can start with that um and then
if they fail to show which they won't but anyway if they do what if they're running late are they stuck in traffic does the board want to adopt Commissioner Starky's invocation as as the new I'm fine with that backup form i like I liked it yeah
I think it kind of gets your I agree do we need a motion ready yes please okay so I make a motion that we have fire safety public safety chaplain come do the prayer and if for some reason that they cannot make it that we will use
Commissioner Starky's prayer effective 422 well second it's the internet's prayer i got it off second generated prayer commissioner Starky we have a second okay all in favor i
Thank you ma'am i'm done okay um madam clerk um oh county attorney god it's like a ping pong just want to remind you um and I don't know whether you want me to intervene or but but public the
public comment section is not designed for open comment it's designed for items to be placed on the agenda or for to speak about things for the agenda for the day as I've always said to you all my concern is when you let it get
broader than what you can say grace over or um you talk about our public comment amongst each public comment okay in the beginning of the day the citizen public comment okay um it just needs to mean it needs to
stay within the the parameters of what you're going to be placing on an agenda or is what already is on an agenda something that you can so you're speaking to the um religious comments this morning doesn't have to be religious i mean the one this morning
that was kind of out of the bounds but I mean they went in they went out yeah I didn't know what to do on that one so I just it's just something to be to keep in mind for the board to keep in mind you don't want that to become open forum
because then it's everything the stuff that you don't like to hear will be open for them as well that's if someone starts kick me right here okay that's all I have thank you okay I'm going to go through my list really fast
um Oh you thank you get out of here i really have a quick I have a quick update i'm really proud of it um I mentioned during the last meeting that our office is holding an event called Operation Green Line to help individuals that have suspended driver's license
from traffic and criminal cases where they have not completed their court financial obligation the event was held March 27th and ended on April 3rd and I find it to be very successful my office waved over $14,000 to help individuals get their
licenses back and it um impacted 921 um individuals so very proud of that that's very awesome thank you i am done okay um let's roll through mine as fast as we can um so uh I was uh honored by
the um Girl Scouts of West Central Florida with this woman of distinction lunchon and I had my family fly in and we had a soldout room there in um Armature Works and um I like Archer it was uh a real honor to be to have that
distinction congratulations um and we want to have more Pasco people um um honored there then uh we uh attended FAC for Tal Tallahassee for FAC and um making the rounds thank you to all our legislators who saw us i thought your
husband did a wonderful job thank you and um that was fun i look forward to that again next year my staff attended the station 3 ribbon cutting um there it is and um uh okay I have a short video from the
sports and events Europe um meeting that I went to with Tourism um I got to say I see why they're sponsoring it it was amazing um I spoke to about 450 people here's here's their this is what they
showed at the event was held in the iconic late Jose Maria Martin this is where they had the Davis Cup by the way 470 participants from 41 countries
first is very important we are bringing into the city the key players of the sports industry around Europe and we are all together here they can experience the city they can experience our vibe and then we train up with our city
we were three incredible days 203 buyers from tour operators event organizers and 198 supplier companies such as sports destinations and hospitality services met and connected to do business in a
dynamic and energetic environment over 4,500 buyers supplier meetings the numbers speak for themselves 5,59 leads were generated and 7,749 messages
exchanged 16,867 interactions via the app and it doesn't stop here the app will remain open connections over the following weeks we're creating demand on both sides of the table during those
conversations we can tell what that demand is and if there's a need to be fulfilled the meetings have been very lucrative and and very very advantageous for us to keep coming back and building those relationships over and over and over again to the quality of meetings here
[Music] again beyond business event was about creating unforgettable experiences together and fostering deep connections from brilliant sports activities to exploring values of rich culture everyone in for the
fun sports and events Europe team have already started to work on the fifth edition which will be held in Seville in March 2026 we have already chosen a destination for next year we want to make an even larger event reach even
more markets and players for the event and I cannot tell you how happy we are that we are going to host sporting events Europe 2026 in a city that is famous because it's the rolling capital of Europe the next edition even greater
opportunities and connections see you in the So um that thing on the top there it had a 15-minute timer and every 15 minutes it was like speed dating i mean it was it was fast and furious and sometimes
there were two of us sometimes there was one there was another gentleman that used to be with the Florida Sports Foundation um helping out because there's no way you you could get to every table um um Tony I just sent you an email i don't know if you can throw that on there but because on the they
had a time when you went out and and and did something and I um did this hike which used to be the world's most dangerous hike um if you can put that up if you can't that's okay um anyway really good for
for us we're the only Americans there and a bunch of these people will be coming to Saddlebrook oh one of the one of the relationships that I'm hoping to build on is a Brazilian company that puts on mountain bike um duathlons so
you bike and you run there's no swim and they're from Brazil and I said "Oh and we have Baduko." And they're like "Well we know Baduko." So I said "Let's work on a relationship between Beduko and this company and do you know a Brazilian event here that's sponsoring a bike
race." So I'm real excited they're going to be here I guess next week in two weeks okay um Texas Roadhouse ribbon cutting we've got our Texas Roadhouse open there on on um State Road 54 they had something like
1,200 people respond to their uh requests for work they hired 200 but I thought that was pretty impressive 1,200 people applied what is this what is this restaurant it's in front of Starky Ranch it's what starky Ranch texas Roadass
texas Road texas Road it's really nicely done great place huh great place yeah i I I I haven't had time to go in i mean I walked around it but they were just opening when I did this so they've had a long time oh nice huh weston
Chapel's had a road house oh they don't throw the peanuts on the floor anymore i I I asked but they don't do that anymore um then I participated uh with uh with Mike Carbala and Turner on the ULI tour
of Pasco we started at the hub and um we went through Starky Ranch through Long Leaf um up through um Angelene and Spiros and um back down through the county and I'm trying to remember where
else we went w went to Marada we went to Marada and um that was my first time at that that lagoon there it was very nice and um there were a lot more people on the bus it's not showing all the people on the bus so it was hot though gosh this
Thank goodness for this road i mean this weather all right i did the citizens academy welcome um I went to Netfest i don't think I took any pictures attended the the Pasco County uh fire graduation that Commissioner Oakley showed you
pictures of i was also at the XGenX ribbon cutting that gentleman's going to come to the Amskills uh boot camp graduation next Friday if you haven't been to to one of those next Friday please come um all right as of April 1st
the solid waste team is is has implemented a glass drop off recycling pilot program there are four drop off locations we have West Pasco resource recovery East Pasco Transfer Station Anklo Citizen Dropoff and Land of Lakes
so um drop off so that was on April 1st yeah so if you have there's an April Fool's Day thing you have to I don't know what that is you have to bring your own glass to these recycle places that's how we're starting off and pause is going to remember that machine we talked
about they're going to chop it up and the county is going to work on um I think using that that glass can be used in road base and all kinds of stuff well we don't have a machine that goes to sand that's something that we can talk about but we're starting with this i don't know i'm hopefully I'm saying this
all right with utilities but yeah I mean it's it's a it's a no cost right now this is as long as it operates in the green it's something that we're willing to pilot and try because glass right now weighs too much it's why we removed it from the recycling stream um and it
there's not a lot of economic sense to the point that it makes economic sense you know we'll we'll we'll continue that um I know there's other opportunities out there that exist but again we explore those on a case by case basis um I' I'd like to see more drop off places for bottle for bottles but it it just
honestly it really comes down hauling it is expensive because it's heavy and and right now I think self drop off is the way it's not something No I'm okay for self drop off i just wonder if there could be one or two more locations i I would not support that glass is a is in
the recycle commodities market nationwide glass has been exited out of streams of cities and counties and states all across this country glass cost an incredible amount of money to process to recycle there's no return
sand's an infinite resource it takes more energy to break down and melt glass than to make new bottles when you sort glass you have to sort it by color you can't coingle it you have to make the greens go to greens the browns go to
browns then you have to maybe find an enduser it's not it's not a profitable endeavor for a government it's not a profitable endeavor for private sector so it's very if this thing loses a penny my
expectation would be okay we tried and we shut it down because it's not permission is is spot on that's why we removed it from the stream to begin with again there's plenty of sand on the planet i I think we're taught early on it was one of those earlier things it's kind of a legacy recycling thing i mean
I won't get into that but you know some of these companies you know those communities that do it just to do it and then these types of things work but we'll we're willing to pilot right now the numbers pan out and as long as they continue to pencil out then we think that's an okay deal but if they don't
then we're going to have Well I want um every commissioner to have the map and my staff can send it to you of the drop off sites and you can you know share the news to to share i mean I've shared this before but Pasco County's com commodities is some of the cleanest
commodity in the state of Florida and that's something to be very proud of um adding glass to the stream would just it would be it would destroy the program don't want to add it to we have a someone we would we're giving it to
pause but I just wanted to have easier drop off places for the cost the cost of hauling it's going to 54 and it's going to 52 not a inexpensive endeavor yeah and so that and I think the commissioner's point is well taken because if you distribute out and you
make it easier for the consumer then there's cost associated with that and then that may not then it may not proform out the way that we intended to so let's just see how this small pilot works before we look at Commissioner Mariano yeah I mean it's it's the economics of it all and Commissioner
Wman I'll trust your professional opinion because I know it's about and it's not it's not going to a to a waste center and it's why we dropped it before so even if you try to encourage it more if you get someone driving 10 minutes here 15 minutes here you're actually
wasting more energy and you're actually hurting the ammonia helping anyway well that's why I was thinking that they were more uh every time I put a bottle in the garbage it bothers me it's called You have the You have the case of uh it's called wish cycling in
the business where you recycle on feelings you I want to recycle this well golf club might be metal but it's not necessarily fits in that bucket or a road or you know you name it wish cycling it when you start contaminating
loads it becomes uh counterproductive in the endeavor and ends up just costing and it goes to the burn facility or landfill anyway when contamination rates get too high and that's an issue with any drop off site is the level of contamination because people will just
and that's exactly throw and so much crosscontamination with the recycling so we had to end it i don't think Paw is not sorting out the colored glasses because they're making a little It's a little chunky piece of glass that goes in road piece but but what they're
saying is they may throw other things in those drop off sites yeah so but so don't put glass in your recycling now if you want to recycle you got to glass you got to drop it off at the sites okay um you know we're working on a the tree mitigation uh fund and um I like to
discuss um adding notfor-profit organizations to be able to receive trees from the tree mitigation trust fund you know I worked on that the beginning of that when I sat on cork citizens ordinance review committee long before I was ever even a schoolboard
member in the early 2000s maybe late 1990s and the whole intent of that was to put the trees back out into the community and we're not doing a good job of it and I would you know someone told me that we give pay
pay for the trees on the school for the school district i don't know if that was confirmed but I think my staff is the one that told me that so uh anyway as we're working to rewrite it um definitely want to add nonprofits like
Metroponal Ministries or you know who whomever yes yes ma'am i was just talking with David Engel you know we we we went back to the drawing board on the cost of of tree removal with with the private development community i think we're we're close now on something that
will go through the process and then as a complimentary process to that we'll be use rewriting the appropriate use of those funds so we'll we'll take that input now but it'll obviously be coming back to the board uh in the next you know maybe few cycles here where we
don't have a discussion publicly and add or subtract anything i mean I Yeah so I'm not even sure our parks department uses our tree mitigation trust fund but what Keith told me he's has not been able to access it to put in
the trees in our parks well it's so I don't know who's using it we're using from the development community that they're paying and so there's there's input into that so David u Madam Chair and board we are expediting the fee increases because we
haven't increased our tree mitigation fees for decades ever and and secondly uh we're going to broaden the net of use of funds uh Commissioner Starky thank you for suggestion about regarding not forprofits but we want to make sure that our public parks have access to that
those funds and uh that will be very quickly in front of you we're going to do it in the form of a authorization resolution it's public parks are public rightways along the roads yes along trails so we can shade them i mean we have a lot of uses for them and we got to get that money back you know we've
got to get the trees in Madam Chair and I agree 100% the nonprofits like there's one on Little Road that um some of those members have come to me on and they tried to get trees around it's like a bare bones place like it should be but if we've got the tree mitigation fund money and we're supposed to put the
trees out there we need to make it so that every one of those even if already built they can go in and do that as far as the parks should be really easy for the parks be part of every every building we should build should be using that fun agreed agreed including our government
center in West Pasco we're not even up to our own code in our parking lot um Okay um you're this is going to be a shocker but on the uh fence ordinance um you know we've we've had some
instances where uh when uh when you have a a a vacant commercial property I I'm not sure if I want to open this Pandora's box but um a vacant commercial property and maybe we want the person to secure the property
some temporarily this would be only temporarily and if you mess it up there's going to be a price to pay um they can put a chain link fence temporarily around their property until
they develop it and then the the chain link fence on our major roads has to go away but we have some you know they don't they don't want to go to the expense of of well first of all I want to just kind of get rid of vinyl fences personally commercially
um we put Walmart went and put that vinyl fence around their property on Grand 54 um and it's been a disaster for them and the homeless people and the people in the strip club they just break the fence they're sure they're back
living in there um if it was a chain link fence it would have kept people from living in there while it's vacant so chain link won't stop and made my district they They broke down jane link 10 foot tall well that's that's true too
i don't know what the answer is we need more officers more code enforcement all right um okay i want I als I want to bring back up that I'm very interested in a public safety impact fee i've mentioned this the sheriff a couple times we talked about it he and I in our
our meeting it could have paid it could pay for those helicopters he says the the penny for Pasco is not covering the cost of what they need for trucks and you know new equipment and radios and all that and I I think we've really missed the boat not having a public
safety impact fee so So does the board want to direct us to begin so let me just at least I know we have to do a study well yes we do um I I think I'm looking at Jeff yeah we do have to do a study so um I will say this uh in our
discussions at least with the TBBA you know we've kind of informally looking at trying to do one impact fee increase or thing per year right and so looking at that and so right now we'll have the impact fee for the fire department
coming before you soon uh to have have that discussion because that's been been rather antiquated you saw here from Terry's presentation that mobility fees will be will be next you know to come into effect at the end of next year and then you know we haven't looked at utility impact fees in a while you know
there's discussion on library impact fees so again I'll I'll just want some guidance from the board if we want to really entertain a overall public safety impact fee we could probably merge fire and things into that but then it'll allocation will become a problem and
he's shaking his head at me that we or yeah you want to continue with the the you're almost across the finish line with fire right you don't want to add other branches no no i I wouldn't I I would say this would have to be you might be able to
combine corrections with the sheriff as a public safety function but I wouldn't No I don't want to mess with the the fire one that's coming forward that's been in the works for almost a year so we want to bring that before the board but this
would be a future a future idea and of course if the board wants us to embark on a study they take about six months to get those going and just to make sure that everything's copacetic with that and some of the things with sheriff it'll be for new growth not necessarily
existing growth or I'm sorry or or replacement for so on the helicopters i'm not so sure you know that you could necessarily make adjustments if it's in the fee if it's in the study Mhm that that's what you're charging them for and
it's not paying for a deficit in service that you've already got things like a helicopter would would work but it would have to be a new helicopter would have to be a new helicopter but I'm replacing I'm replacing four with two in this case and so I just knew that he doesn't have one
my point is my point is is that it takes time and it has to be studied and looked at and legally defensible but if the board wants us to embark on that I'll I'll take direction but well I I think we should but I mean I think it would be small to start but at
least we get something um we need to take an overarching look at impact fees we have some of the highest impact fees around so if it needs restructuring word of the year open to take a look at it
so I'm hearing Commissioner Weman and maybe maybe the compromise here is is we we bring forward a workshop item where we can look comprehensively at impact fees and then allow the board to have a fluid conversation on you know the the entire piece to to
the commissioner's point i'm sure it's tens of thousands of dollars on a new single family home including school board so okay yeah and but you know um and are we going to discuss publicly the lack of
utilities on State Road 52 or are we going to save that we'll save that for another meeting we're working that as a private deal with developers right now okay well I I need to understand how that's going to work for the large property owners and the small property owners who may not be paying into that as we get that baked we'll we'll be sure
to be briefing board members before we bring it forward okay so question I would love to bring or comment i would love to bring up um having boat trailers allowed to be parked in the driveway um it has a tag and it is registered and
you can move it so I think it would deter people from parking it in their yards and we are a coastal community and it's very expensive to pay for boat storage okay you're not allowed to do that now nope not in my neighborhood neither one of my neighbor both my
neighborhoods have HOA restrictions against it is that a motion yes but I I I don't I would love to make that a priority where we could Yeah i don't know what code that it would It's the land development code it's you're not allowed to have it
in the front yard it could be on the sideyard in the in the front yard set back yeah so which is pretty much the whole driveway unless you got a long driveway i mean that that this also goes along with the parking issues if you put a
boat trailer in the driveway then you don't have a car in the driveway then you have a car in the street if if if you might have a car in the garage oh not in Florida you're not No what I'm saying is though if it hasn't you could pick like okay I have I have my boat my
Yeah my my point was that the way the parking ratios are structured in our code that is one of your designated parking spaces is the driveway so you theoretically if you're putting a
boat in it you're one one car short you can now um put a boat trailer on the side of your house as long as it's not sticking out the front is that right yeah so you can have a boat trailer just
um I really have to go i'm I can I got to go i was supposed to pick something up at 3:45 madam Chair can I Oh yeah go ahead real quick Jack well we'll come back go check just go and flip through this is the picture of the sun the new train oh is that what that is they put
that under mine you only have All right so anyway there goes all the way around yes i know where you get some money for shade shade trees all right and uh just quick thing Commissioner Joerger I I like Commissioner Jagger's thing to be brought back to the commission to go take a look at it because especially as
you bring up a registered bow trailer has a tag registered should be able to go and and let's have code here and you know someone from planning that shows how that works okay we're
journed thank you [Music] [Music]