--------- I'd like to call to order the Pasco and that was access direction directed. I just want to >> Good morning. I'd like to call to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission 10 a.m. meeting of November 12th, 2025. At this time, please silence all electronic devices and mute your
microphones. Please rise for the invocation and the pledge. Honorable Commission, Pasco County Chaplain Anthony Ship, here to give the invocation. Heavenly Father, we do thank you today for this community. And as we enter our season of thanksgiving, we ask that
you'll continue to bless this community. Protect our police, fire, teachers, first responders, doctors, and nurses, and our school children. Empower us today to do our civic business. And we thank you for blessing. Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Can we please call the role?
>> Yes, ma'am. District one, Commissioner Oakley, >> here. >> District two, Commissioner Wake, >> present. >> District four, Commissioner Jerger, >> here. >> District five, Commissioner Mariano >> here. District Three Chairman Stark >> here. Okay. So, now is the time for
public comment. Citizens are given an opportunity to comment on any current or future agenda item coming before the board and on other business under the board's purview. Today's public comment will be handled as follows. First, we will take public comment for those who are here in
person. And then we will take public comment from those who have pre-registered for a WebEx link and are currently on quue. We request that when you address the board, comments are not directed personally against a commissioner or a team member, but rather directed at the issues. This
provides mutual respect between board members and the public. After stating your name and address for the clerk, a three-minut timer will be activated and a green light will be shown on the podium. After 2 minutes, a yellow light will indicate you have one minute left. When your time is up, a red
light will be displayed. Three beeps will sound and you should close your comments. WebEx participants will be disconnected automatically when their time is up. And do we have anyone signed up for public? >> Yes, we have several. Uh Tom Framar,
please come forward. >> Please give us your name and address for the record. >> Make it up for us. >> Uh Tom Fra. I'm the treasur of Betmar Corporation. Betmar Acres Club Incorporated. >> Do we need an address?
>> I think we're good with the Betar Acres. Your home address, please. >> Uh home address, 5709 Apache Street, Zephr Hills. >> Thank you. >> I do have a handout here >> that I would like to have um all the
commissioners to have a copy of. >> Okay. We had a motion to receive and file and a second. All in favor? I opposed. Thank you. You can hand it to someone over there and they'll pass it out to us. >> Go ahead, sir. Your time's running.
>> Oh, it started. Okay. Um, we've been here before. Um, I represent Betmar Acres. Like I said, we're 1670 unit mobile home community in Zephr Hills and we have
um an issue with the property taxes being charged to us by Pasco County. Okay. We have since we were here last time, we have engaged an attorney. I'm here with the attorney's blessing because he said we want to resolve this
at the lowest level that we can and that is with you with the board of commissioners. Okay. Now I in the packet you'll see several things I we already had um got information from the county on
that reflects on our case with the county. Um, you know, number one was the case of the city of Gainesville versus the DOT. Um, that's self-explanatory in there of what they're called user fees because
you're charging us a user fee. Okay. Um, number three in there is an important one because number three is your the board adopted resolution 70 or
excuse me 0778. Okay. And giving notice of intent to utilize the uniform method of collection and place utility fees on the tax as a nonorum special assessment.
That's basically what the law is saying. If you go to um page or number five, item number five in there, Jordan Wolf Graham says that the law does doesn't apply to Pasco County
because they call them user fees. Okay. And if you go to number seven in there, you'll see that an advalorum tax or non-advalorum assessment, including a tax or assessment imposed by the county,
municipality, special district, or water management district, may not be assessed separately against common element utilized exclusively for the benefit of owners in that subdevelopment. That's what we're saying that the county is in
violation of their their regulation which places it on the property tax bill as a non-advalorum special assessment and as such the law says you can't charge it to us. Um you are due your
utility fees and and what we're saying is they're due by all the members in our community is who you are supposed to assess not us. Okay. Betmar Acres is the owner of all the common element within the park and so you're billing us for
storm water and sewer. >> Thank you very much. Um but and we don't engage um during public comment but uh hope have you met with your commissioner? Who is that? Commissioner Oak. >> Yeah, we've >> Okay.
>> Yeah. and and Ron was instructed by your county attorney not to talk to me anymore. So, >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Well, sometimes that happens when there's lawyers involved. >> Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. >> And I'll I'll read this more later. >> Uh Scott Walk,
>> your address for the >> Scott Walksmith, 36919 Terra A. I am the current vice president of Betaracres Club, Inc. I'm here to echo uh what Mr. Fra has said. Um Pasco County, Florida Code of Ordinance Section 110-369,
billing and payments and penalties. The board held a duly notice public hearing on December 19th, 2006 and adopted resolution number 0778 giving notice of its intent to utilize the uniform method of collection and to place the utility
fee on the tax bill as a non-advelerum assessment pursuant to Florida statute 197.3632. When you go to that statute 197.3632, the the title is the uniform method for levy collection and enforcement of
non-advalium assessments. This particular section of the statute does not mention utility fees or user fees at all and it has to do with non-advoreium assessments. uh under the definition of levy. Levy
means the imposition of a non-adilarium assessment stated in terms of rates against the appropriately located property by a governmental body authorized by law to impose non-advarium assessments. When you scroll down to the non-advalorum assessment, it says
nonadvalorum assessment means only those assessments which are based but which are not based upon millillage and which can be a lean against the homestead as permitted in section 4 article 10 of the state constitution.
And then when you go to uh Florida statute 193.0235 0235. It's titled advalorum taxes and non-advalium assessments against subdivision property and it says that they are to be prrated
by the property appraiser and included in the assessments of all the lots within the subdivision. Now, Betmar is very big. There's a it was multi-phase. There's 18 subdivisions which is over 1650 homes.
We understand that the county has to collect a certain amount of money to run. We're not saying that the county isn't due these money. They're owed these monies and are supposed to be able to collect these monies. What we're saying is is the lot owners are supposed
to be charged for this, not the corporation as a whole. That's what it says in 193.0235. Thank you for your time. >> John Hannannah,
>> John Hannah. >> Okay, thank you. >> Yeah, John Hannon. Uh, address is 3542 LER Road. Um, I'm here on the subject of um, our road is marked private, not
county maintained or county owned, and we've been having issues of people flying up and down the road. Um, putting our grand my grandkids in danger and other kids on that road in danger. And
we had a conflict um with uh someone that uh was speeding and I um asked her to stop and slow down and she got really uh verbal and everything and up and said I want to
call the cops and all that and um cops come out. There's like five cruisers. So, I don't know, you know, what she told them if uh I had a gun or whatever, but they was out there in like five minutes. Five cruisers
uh was out there and it's just ridiculous uh that we have to put up with this and we have to dish out thousands of dollars every year to maintain our road and smooth it out and everything. And Chansy and Morris Bridge
being closed so long right now is really put like, you know, 60 or 70% more traffic on our road and they just don't care. They're just flying up and down our road and the when Pasco County cops come out
there, they said, "Oh, well, it's marked uh you know, private road, but we can't do nothing about it." And I said, 'Why not? I mean, you know, you got plenty of places that we volunteer for you to come down there and sit and try to catch
these speeders and everything and you all don't even show up. You don't want to even come out and do anything about it. So, it's just getting to a real danger point and we got um a section of it is so narrow
uh fire and rescue can't even get down it with their fire trucks and stuff. It's just a little bit wider than a regular vehicle. And that's another concern, too. you know, people living in that uh narrow
part of it, uh how they going to get an ambulance if somebody has a heart attack or place uh catch on fire or something, their place is going to burn down before you know they get enough hose stretched out to reach in them uh place that they
can't get down through. So, uh, it's just a, uh, really dangerous situation in more than one place, and I think it, uh, needs to be at least county maintained and fix the the issues.
Thank you. Have a nice >> just one question. Is that a paved road or an unpaved road? >> Half of it's paved and half of it's not. >> And did you mention what the name of the road is? >> Linear. >> Linear. >> Okay. L A N I E R. Thank you.
>> Thank you, >> Robert. First, >> if it's not too much to ask, we're here to say goodbye to Mr. Murphy and he's not here right now. He's going to be here in a couple minutes. Can I be shifted to the end of the list? >> Sure. >> Yeah, that would be okay. >> We have uh
>> Is this the whole list here? >> Uh we Allan Lane just hold. Okay. Do we have anyone in line today? One person. >> Good evening. My name is Alan Wayne, 3640
LER Road. I own nine different addresses on that road and we got like five other people here to just complaining about the same thing Mr. Hannon was just talking about. We get the people. It's not just because Marsh Bridge is closed. The people have been doing it for a long
time and that's just more hindrance to the situation. They get up there, they have no respect. We ask them to slow down. They holler out the window, "F you" and then they just punch it and then they go sideways and everything else going down the road. We get out there, we have a confrontation with them
just like Mr. Hannah said the other day. I had one a few weeks ago and I called the cops. It took them two hours to get there. He called, well, the lady called the cops. It took him about five minutes. I had five of them coming in. And there were sirens coming in and the cops told us right there directly that
we have no right to tell anybody they can't come down that road that it it's a public through fair. It's not a public road. It's private road. If it's public then take your county out there and make them do something with it. If it's private that's fine. I'll take care of
it. I've been maintaining it since ' 89. I've been through all the desert storm and all that stuff back in the past to go out there to fight for what everybody else wants here. Now I'm just here try to fight for what I got in my own possession that I paid for in my own business. You know, there's no need for
nobody to come out there and then the cops tell us right in front of the people, there's nothing you can do about it and you need to leave these people alone. You know, a man told us the other day, we got people shooting at one another downtown and we ain't got time to come out here and play with your
road. The exact words he told us. If he ain't got time, he don't need to be on the force for one. And if you got people shooting downtown, you're going to wind up having people shooting down there on Lener Road before long because we've already had massive road rage. Massive
road rage. And I included myself chased this idiot all the way down through Zephr Hills. And if I could have got up with him, it would have been more private. All we're asking is if it's county, take care of it. If it's private, instruct your officers to when
they get called out there to do something about it. I had the man come out there one time. I told him, I said, "If you'll just come out there and sit and watch, you'll see what's going on." They did. Three days later, they came out there. They sat right in the middle of the road. I went out there right in
front of my house. I said, "We got a problem." And he says, "No." You wanted us to come out here and set and see what's going on. Here we are. I said, 'Well, duh. There ain't nobody going to speed right past them uh SUVs from Hill Pasco County. They're going to slow down
just like anybody else would. But somebody need to educate the officers and let them know that, you know, we do this on our own. I pay for it. These people pay for it. I get out there and bust my butt trying to make it happen
and keep it right. And it's not fair for somebody to just come by here and boom. Thank you. Uh Norman Klein. My name is Norman Klene and I reside at 3946 linear road, zephr hills. Because
the intersection of Morris Bridge and uh Chansy Road are closed because of a sinkhole, people are driving on Laneir Road. That's the road I'm living on. To get from Chansy Road to 54 or from 54 to
Chanty Road, the near road is paved from State Road 54 south for about a quarter mile and then it turns into one lane high a dirt road and then after the another quarter
mile it turns into a two-lane but it's still a dirt road. Driving conditions on this road are do not are not good for speed and or for safety. Now, this road is not maintained by the county. So, it's private. So, you
imagine what the conditions are like. You need to drive it to see how dangerous it is. A safe speed would be about 10 miles per hour, but who's going to drive that this day? There are no speed limit signs because
the county will not put speed limit signs in and the sheriff's deputies will not enforce it without the signs. So, we're at a mercy of those who drive it and most of them are driving 30 or 40 miles an hour on that dirty road.
Uh the sheriff's department won't enforce anything, but they'll come out there and tell us if we can block it and then give us a hard time. And yet, uh, they'll chastise the owners, but the car drivers, they say, "You're welcome
to use it." Now, I don't think that's private. So, uh, u people are using this road that are in the four one lane section. People are walking it. Horses
are d using it. uh school children are walking on this area and uh they have to face uh four-wheelers, dirt bikes, all and automobiles.
What a disaster. So, I'm asking you to somehow block it or do something for us because someone's going to get killed in this road. I trust your judgment on this one and thank you. Um, I'm going to take a little privilege
here. Uh, county administrator, when we approved Two Rivers, these were all the communities that were to the north and we we said there needed to be connectivity and I'm not seeing it. Um, and I'm not even sure this I think you need to look
at this road and see if we connect to it and take over this road. Um, otherwise we're going to have traffic jams on all the other roads. It seems we should have as many connections as possible and But and I see that Two Rivers is connecting is both I can't tell if it's connected
or a spite strip, but that was 100% what we agreed to when we did Two Rivers that it would those kids up north could have an easy route to get south and um just want to make sure that's happening. >> Yes, ma'am. Connectivity is important.
Jason Nickel from public works is here. He'll he'll speak with the residents. I I think there's probably multiple paths forward and multiple options to deal with this and so we'll we'll get those out and report back. >> Is that our s is that our sinkhole on Morris Bridge? >> Well, Morris Bridge and Chansy our area
of responsibility and I know that we we do have some construction there. I'm not sure what the detour routes are. I have a lot of questions of staff. >> Okay. Well, we'll look into this more later. >> Thank you very much. >> Yeah. >> Just want to tell you that that that road is supposedly coming forward and be
finished at Chanty and Morris Bridge. is the third week of December is what is planned to be. >> Okay. Well, it's good news for these guys, >> but they're they're working toward that. It's just a time element. Takes a long time to get some things done. So, >> but we need to make sure that the conditions that when we approve two
rivers are being met by their layout and connectivity and I not really seeing >> Greg Dawson. >> Good morning. I'm Greg Dawson. I live at 34920 Appaloosa Trail at the corner of Appaloosa Trail and Laneir. Uh I have
just over 660 ft adjacent to Appaloosa and just over 1,000 ft adjacent to Laneir Road that you've already heard about since the intersection at Chansy and Morris Bridge has been closed. Traffic has been these roads has been excessive. Uh I have two driveways on Appaloosa and one on Laneir. Uh various
apps were routing traffic through my west driveway on Appaloosa and out the exit on Laneir even after posting private property no trespassing signs. This endangers my wife, myself and my six kids that are still at home. My preference is that the county maintain
the road that we be given permission to either install gates or make it a a dead end along Laneir. Uh in 2018, we received letters asking for an intent to donate portions along uh both roads as a rightaway. I'd ask that you look at this as an option again now that situations
have changed and ownership of land has changed. Uh when Laneir preserves on Chanse Road was built, uh the county authorized utilities. We run down the middle of the of Laneir. Again, that is a dirt road. Uh but didn't maintain the road. On June 15th of 2023, my son uh
ran my vehicle into a pipe that was in the middle of the road and bent the frame of the vehicle, effectively totaling the vehicle. On August 22nd, 2023, I filed a claim to the county for $6,584.89. I received a letter denying the claim
because the county claimed they don't own the land. We need clarity either that they maintain the road uh as a county or give us property owners to block it as necessary. Thank you. >> Thank you very much.
>> That concludes those that have signed up in advance. Uh unless there is another sheet up there. So >> what we have >> come on up sir. Is JJ here? >> Has JJ arrived?
Okay, >> I'm on page two here. >> Okay. >> Okay. Doug Dro 10144 Dusty Hill Loop. Um I was here last month about the traffic on Centennial Road when schools are beginning or
letting out. They're traffic is getting worse. It's not getting any better. Um, I've seen videos people just stop on the road for a half an hour and sit there while they wait for their kids to get out of school. I've seen people all the way down
Centennial on the Newsome. People driving on people's front lawns on Newsome to make a turn to get back in line. They have no respect for anybody that lives in that area. They block Dusty Hill at times.
fire engines and ambulances are stuck in the traffic because it's only a two-lane road. Um, a simple solution would be to pave Newsome and Townend so we would have a smooth exit from our community even
though we have to go two three miles out of our way. Uh I also found out that um possibly the fire department on Centennial does not use Nuome because it is so rough which I used to live on 98
meant 3 miles longer route to get to my old community. 6 to 8 minutes that's just ridiculous as a safety issue. a person could die being six minutes away for an ambulance.
You know, I think the county needs to work more, maybe work with the school district and come up with a plan. Uh I'm not sure what the right thing is. I was directed to go to a schoolboard meeting because you guys don't work handinand
with each other. Um I I see your expression. So, I don't know. >> We work well with them. >> Pardon? >> We We work well with the school district. >> Okay. So, okay, whatever. I mean, I just would like some solution that we could
drive out of our road on Dusty Hill and get to 301 without having to be aggravated every day because we don't know what time this is. This morning we left at 9:30. They were backed up all the way down Centennial. >> So, we're not sure what school gets in and what time and what doesn't. There
are loops in the school parking lots. Utilize the loops better. Have double lanes in, another lane out. There's a third lane for a bus. Get somebody out there who really understands. >> County administrator, who who is our
representative on the school safety meetings? And perhaps I could bring this up for next meeting out of the infrastructure group. I assume Panos is here. Be someone from his department, but we can >> Okay. because I'm looking at the map. They they should be able to stack on their property.
>> I'll reach out to the superintendent and see. >> Okay. We'll look at >> Thank you. >> That concludes all that have signed up in advance. We have one online. >> Okay. >> Okay. None further inside
uh online. Uh Julia Bartunic. >> Yeah. Hi. Good morning. My name is Julia Bartinic. Okay, that's 2645 Meadowwood Tribe, New Chief, Florida 34655. And I'm calling back an item on the
agenda, consent agenda related um to the $700,000 of the tree mitigation fund to be used on the the um irrigation and medium planting. Um which is wonderful to keep
beautiful Pasco County, beautiful. And I'm all for beautifification of Pasco County. Uh with the CH tree mitigation fund, it would be uh wonderful um if there could be a massive tree planting.
With that mitigation fund, for example, there are places along our beautiful orange bike trail that have no trees. And um it's very hard if you're riding a bicycle in Pasco County and all of a
sudden you're like there are no trees along this bike trail and how wonderful it would be if we can get some shade and then exhausted finally find a few trees and take a rest under the trees after
biking. Um the planning council is working very very hard and very wonderfully well on our new tree ordinances. Um hopefully in the future also our tree mitigation funds um can be used to emphasize
storm water management. We were very lucky this year uh with the hurricanes and storms, but um our trees can really help improve storm water retention uh through urban forest street efforts. So, um, we want to, uh, preserve help even
more than 20% of Pasco Countyy's tree canopy. And I know the planning council is working very hard on developing this. Um, but sooner than later, just using that tree mitigation fund for a massive tree planting and I know everybody's
working very hard on this. Thank you. God bless, Dave. >> That's the plan. Thank you very much. >> That concludes all that are pre-signed. >> Okay. And we'll we can wait. We'll go we'll move on to um resolution. >> Um >> you have some
>> Robert is signed up. >> I know. But he's waiting for JJ to arrive. So that >> is here. >> Oh, okay. I can't see you back there. All right. Uh come on up, Robert. >> Good morning, commissioners. Uh, I wanted to take this opportunity today to recognize Assistant County Administrator
of public safety JJ Murphy for all that he has done, not only to ensure that the Pasco County residents and visitors are safe, but also to make certain that the men and women of the public safety branch are given the tools, support, and leadership needed to be successful. With today being Mr. Murphy's last day with
Pasco County, I believe it's important to reflect on the impact of his leadership and the progress we've made under his guidance. When JJ first came to Pasco, he was immediately thrown into the hot seat. At that time, our department was facing challenges unlike anything we had seen before.
Rising call volumes, extended response times, and a mass exodus of experienced firefighters to surrounding agencies. But with his support, advocacy, and collaboration, we were able to confront those challenges head on. Because of his leadership, Pasco County Fire Rescue has
now has more trucks, more personnel, and more resources on the road than ever before. We have not only stabilized our workforce, but we've become a department that others are looking to join. A complete reversal of where we once stood. When it comes to leadership, actions always speak louder than words,
and JJ's actions spoke volumes of volumes. Under his leadership, we established a groundbreaking partnership with Tampa Bay Psychology, providing unlimited confidential mental health visits for our firefighters. That contract has become a model for agencies across the state, ensuring that those
who wear bear the weight of the community's emergencies have the opportunity to protect their own mental health as well. He also played a pivotal role in creating our SWAT paramedic program, something that had been discussed for years, but never gained traction until JJ stepped in and helped make it a reality.
And when it came to negotiate our most recent contract, he worked with us to achieve the 2472 work schedule, which finally solved a decadesl long recruitment and retention issue and restored balance to our firefighters lives. JJ was not a distant
administrator or a name that only appeared on memos. He was boots on the ground, present major incidents, out in the field during large-scale emergencies, and always asking one simple question. What do you need? When someone wanted to cancel when some
wanted to cancel the peer fitness training program due to potential overtime costs, he stood firm and said no. That investing in the health and safety of our people was not negotiable. Those are the moments that define true true leadership. JJ led by example with integrity, compassion, and an unwavering
commitment to the people behind the uniforms. He's been a constant present at our charity of presence at our charity events, at our stations, and alongside us through every major challenge and success we've faced. As he prepares to return home to be closer to his family, it's my sincere hope that
the spirit of his leadership that he brought to Pasco County, one that valued collaboration, accountability, and respect for those on the front lines, continues to shape the future of the public safety in this community. On behalf of the men and women of Pasco County Fire Rescue and IIAFF Local 4420,
we want to thank you JJ for your service, your friendship, and your unwavering belief in the mission of protecting the people of Pasco County. You've left this place better than you found it, and your impact will be felt for years to come. Thank you. >> Thank you very much.
>> JJ, come up. >> J's gonna come up. JJ, come on up. And >> I think all I think all said and done, we should take a picture when we're all said and done. >> Goodbye. >> And JJ, I I have no doubt I have no doubt that the sheriff's office has the same sentiments. Um,
you greatly improved the morale and the um communication uh between all those departments and we're very appreciative of all the hard work that you did. >> Thanks, Commissioner. >> Well, we want you to speak to us. Okay.
Well, if I could if I could before he goes again, uh this is I've said this before, but I want to say publicly, JJ, again, I want to thank you. Everything that you know, Robert stated is true. Uh you know, we we brought the public uh safety branch back. It was we were facing a great unknown, right? We we had
a jail that was coming to us. We did not understand what that was going to mean, what that was going to, as Robert said, we had challenges uh within the fire department. and and I remember sitting down with you and laying out these challenges and kind of saying look this is this is where where we need to go with it and you you took the bull by the
horns and you know we've got we've got a a model a model jail facility that's uh doing a lot of great a lot of great things a fire department that you know I think Robert already spelled out everything everything good with that uh but your focus on mental health um your
your thoughtfulness um in in looking at things from uh from a higher level was always appreciated so contributed greatly at the executive level on on county issues. So, uh you know, we you uh your your council will be missed, your friendship will be missed, and uh you will be missed here, but we understand your your reasons for moving
on, and we just just want to wish you the best, and I just thank you for for everything that you've done for us in such a short period of time. >> Thank you, Mike. >> Commissioner Commissioner Mary. Uh JJ, I'd like to say, you know, since you've been here, I mean, we've been to DC, uh lobbyed successfully to bring money back
to this county to to help get the things that firefighters uh needed to get AMS people. Um your leadership there has been phenomenal. Calming the relations when you got here, as Mike was just saying, was it was it was a tense time for everything and and I think this
board has always supported the the the group for firefighters, EMS, and and just try to work to get things better. But the communication wasn't coming in. You find out what the issues were, brought the issues, talked with them, found it all out, figured it all out, brought it to us so we could resolve
these things to give the positive support we wanted every step of the way. And the innovativeness you have to to bring on the project that we're trying to get done. I just can't thank you enough. We're going to miss you. >> Thank you, Jack. >> I just want to say one of the things I remember, you blew your knee out. You
were hobbling along, could barely walk, and I'm like, what are you doing? when you were at the pinning, you're like, I wouldn't miss it. That's leadership. And like like he said, you are always boots on the ground. And like you just
inspire people to do better and and we are we are going to miss you, but know that as a commission, we're going to carry the torch for public safety and make you proud. So, um, best of luck. I hope you I hope you're you come back and visit and when you do we can all get
together and um I'll be praying for you on your trip today. >> Commissioner Oakley >> JJ thank you is um doesn't seem like a big enough word to express um all the good things you brought to this
department public safety and um just the way you carried out what needed to be done at the right time. it was done and I certainly appreciate all of us appreciate exactly what you have done for Pasco County and the citizens of
Pasco County while you've been here. Um, I'd rather just turn you down and not let you go, but I know you're not going to let us keep you like that, but I certainly appreciate you and hope you come back sooner than later. So, >> thank you.
>> Thank you, Chair. Well, from what I understand it, you're you're moving the snowbird status, right? That's kind of what you're doing. Moving north, keeping your house down here on the water. That's not necessarily a bad thing. No, it was pleasure coming on coming on with
you, helping helping me understand um what it's like to be one of five jailers now essentially, right? and uh understanding the cost and the price tag that goes along and with with with managing managing a jail and what the folks need to run it. Um, and then
everything you've done for our fire department and and helping to add clarity and and confidence in our votes to give the folks what they need and um and help us, you know, navigate the bureaucracies along the way to help us capture outside funding to support not
just our firefighters, but to help the residents and our taxpayers of our county. So, you know, we'll miss you. Don't go too far away. Raider is probably going to miss this uh nice weather we have here, right? He probably maybe he'll nip at you, but best best of
luck to you and and your family. >> All right, we're going to we're going to come down and take a photo and county minister, you're welcome to join in. And um >> I don't know what Oh, you can say things. Yes, you're allowed. >> Okay. I just want to thank you all for your comments, Mike,
and commissioners, the uh the co-workers that I had. Uh it has been the highlight of my career working here. You spoke about public safety uh in a grand scope, public safety in Pasco
County. The public safety branch is one thing, but public safety being, you know, the sheriff's office, 911, emergency management, uh and then the varsity team being fire rescue, and uh corrections. These people give up their lives, their
holidays, uh their health to make sure that the rest of us are protected. And um I would like to make sure that continues so that you guys have made significant investments in public safety. Uh I'm
honored to say over the last two days, uh Mike must be nervous. Raiders's walking right up to him there, checking him out. Uh we moved 500 inmates over to the new facility over the last two days. Uh not
without incident. Uh when you take uh prisoners, 70% being felons, and tell them we're going to move them. You know, sometimes it's not great. But our team was dedicated. They worked through the holiday and and that move happened
early. Um, you know, in terms of fire rescue, yes, you know, you a lot of you know that we were losing 75 to 100 firefighters a year. We were training ground for other counties and cities. And today, because of your leadership
and your investment, significant investment, um we're about to embark on the 72hour downtime for these uh firefighters and EMS personnel who who do great work uh
but they do stressful work and they they narcan people back to life. you can't talk about that and then you're supposed to go home and and cut cake with your family like sometimes you're like really that just happened. Uh so thank you for
understanding and they pointed out the investment in physical health but also investment in mental health and I thank you all very [Applause]
Heat. [Applause] >> I don't think I'm not getting >> I think he is saying >> he's never [Music]
>> he was like I know [Music] [Applause] I should have had one of my children. >> Well, JJ's gonna be here all day. Okay. Um, now we are on to the consent
agenda, right? No, RS1. >> Okay. RS1. >> Yes, ma'am. A resolution by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County declaring the month of November as National Hospice and Piotative Care
Month and commending Gulfside Health Care Services for its outstanding service and dedication to the citizens of Pasco County. Whereas hospice and paleiative care provide the highest quality of care to patients and families and bring comfort, love and respect for
all those they serve in communities across the nation and here in Pasco County. And whereas hospice and paliotative care providers take the time to ask what's important to those they are caring for and listen to what their
patients and families say. And whereas hospice and paliotative care professions including physicians, nurses, social workers, therapists, counselors, health aids, and clergy provide comprehensive and compassionate care that makes the
wishes of each family and patient a priority. And whereas through pain management and symptom control, caregiver training and assistance, and emotional and spiritual support, patients can live fully until their
final moments surrounded and supported by the faces of loved ones, friends, and committed caregivers. And whereas providing quality hospice and peliative care reaffirms our belief in the essential dignity of every person
regardless of age, health or social status, and that every stage of human life deserves to be treated with the utmost respect and care. And whereas every year more than 1.72 million Americans living with lifelimiting
illness and their families receive care from the nation's hospice programs in communities throughout the United States with 5,693 patients cared for by GFide Hospice in Pasco County. And whereas more than
430,000 trained volunteers contribute 21 million hours of service to hospice programs annually with over 48,000 hours of service being provided locally by Gulfid's 218 active volunteers. And
whereas hospice and paliative care providers encourage all people to learn more about the options of care and to share their wishes with family, loved ones, and their health care professionals. Now therefore, be it resolved by the
board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, that said board hereby declares the month of November as National Hospice and Pal of Care in Pasco County and commends Gulfside Healthc Care Services for its outstanding service and dedication to
the citizens of Pasco County. Donna and resolved in regular session with a quorum present voting this 12th day of November, 2025. >> Move to approve. Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I'm sorry. Was there Is there anyone here from Oh, I couldn't see you. You
were hidden back there. I was like, where's Linda? We would have had you come up. >> Yeah. Bring it. Bring your >> And anyone anyone who's here with you. >> Yeah. >> Good morning, everyone. Nice to see all of you. Um on behalf of our board of directors, our entire staff, and our volunteers, I would just like to thank
the support from the county commissioners through the years. Uh we've been exist in existence nearly 38 years and today we serve nearly 700 hospice patients and 300 palative care patients every single day in Pasco County alone. Uh you have supported us
through so many of our initiatives and growth through the years and we could not do it without without you. I also want to congratulate and thank JJ because fire uh PA uh Pesco County Fire Rescue has helped thousands of our patients through the years in dire
situations and we couldn't do it without them either. So, thank you very much for all your support. We greatly appreciate it. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> I'm sorry. Just for the record, can you go ahead and give us your name? >> I'm sorry. Linda Ward, president and CEO of GFide Healthcare Services. Okay. Thanks.
>> Okay. Uh I'd like to thank you for all the work you do here in Pasco County. U it means a lot to a lot of families and it's at a very sad time when they come to you and um the last days of their lives actually that they you help them
through that that time. So it's very sad issue but but one that's also very helpful to >> Thank you Ryan. You've been very supportive too. You've come to our care center and supported us as well many times. So, we appreciate it. >> Jack's running our hospice uh run
through the years. Katherine's always around. All of you have really supported us. I started we have 30 patients in uh 21 years ago. And and now to have all of the support and the growth through Pasco. We've greatly appreciate it. >> And and you have a new one coming up. >> We have a new care center opening very
soon in Newport Richie. We have our Rucky Care Center here in Zephr Hills. And uh so and each of you have also supported our growth through the years into other counties, but this is our home. This is our foundation. Pasco County will always be the hub.
>> Such a sad but wonderful thing that you do. And and my my heart goes out to the people who work with you and and help take care of our our loved ones in in a very tough time. >> Yeah, the staff is they're really the champions of our organization. My job is
to take care of them so they could take care of our patients. >> I want to take a photo with everybody. Does anyone else want to say anything? >> Comments like Seth. >> Seth, >> he might not have experienced this. >> He's a youngster. No,
we've experienced it several several times and it's um how do you all work with the families that take such a time of sadness and uncertainty and in and turning into a
a more positive experience, if you will. I'm not really sure how to describe it, but those who've been through this situation know the feelings that I'm trying to describe here. um how your team and your nurses help and help the families and manage that um
that phase of life and and for you all to keep your spirits about you and give the families, you know, confidence in in helping their loved ones through that time is something that um is a is is a learning and growing experience and it's something that that never leaves you. So
your team are are are are really special folks for stepping into that that phase of folks lives and helping folks get through it. It's something that I think most everybody will always remember and it's truly one of those situations where people don't remember, you know, what
you may have said to them, but they remember how you made them feel. And so that's the best way I describe it. Thank you all for coming here today. >> Thank you. Um and Commissioner, >> hi. Yeah, it just takes a special person
to do that job. End of life is hard and you all just somehow make it just this peaceful transition and the staff is absolutely amazing, so caring. Um, I've I've I've been through that situation multiple
times and I just can't say enough about how they make not only the patient feel but the family feel. So, what you all do is just absolutely amazing. So, thank you. >> You're welcome. And I'll pass your comments on to the team because they really feel honored by being in those
very intimate, private situations with patients and families. They let us into their lives and we don't take it for granted. But our team loves to do it. They just love their work right now. They're just amazing. They're like angels. >> They are. They are. Thank you very much, >> Commissioner.
>> Thank you. And I want to say hospice is just such a critical plays such a critical role for families. It's been my aunts volunteered for them many times and sadly when my uncle was passing uh they were in there to help and just made such a difference for the whole family. So I've seen it directly on both ends
and it's been awesome. But you Linda, you've been a superstar from day one from when you went build your first facility over here to uh the other side over here and what you've done and I can't believe you've been 21 years. I've been recorded one of you. You've been absolutely phenomenal. Your whole team is incredible. Thank you for all
the great work you do to make make Pasco a better place. Thank you so much. My pleasure. >> I couldn't see you. Here's the right. >> We'll put these up. Oh, thank you. >> No, >> let me let me take one.
>> All right, Gabby. >> Yes. [Music] Do you have a [Applause] will come. >> You want Paula? >> Okay.
Okay. Now we're on to the consent agenda and I have a full list. I have C23 by Commissioner Oakley, full discuss. C25 Waitman, full discuss C28 by Miss Frell withdrawal. And that's the
one that um you added my district to. That was incorrect. Okay. Uh Oakley C30, pull and discuss. C37 pull discuss. Oakley C38 poll and discuss and Commissioner Oakley and Mike Carbala
C-53 poll and discuss. All right. Are there any other items that wish to be pulled by any commissioner? Seeing none, I'll take a motion. >> Move approval on all the other items on consent agenda. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor?
>> I opposed. >> All right. And commissioner, I will go by and check out that pantry in the Elers Community Center. Yeah, >> it's not up yet. >> No, when it's up. All right. Um, we need to get the roads fixed around there. Um,
we're going to go on to C-23. I I pulled this item because of um being very grateful of the things that uh Wilton Simpson and his family's done for the community and and throughout Pasco County. A lot of different things
have happened due to his leadership. and I just wanted to say thank you to him and his family. >> It's going to be Simpson City pretty soon instead of Dig. >> Oh, >> well, he's done a lot for us. Andrew, you have something to add or >> uh No, just uh we do appreciate uh
Senator Simpson and uh Commissioner Simpson now and uh we just thank him for his contribution to this property and just know that we are working to add his name to the building and updating the plaque associated with the building as well. So all of that will be hopefully
here before the grand opening next month early. >> Okay. >> Excellent. >> So I'll move approval. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> C25. >> Yes. Uh so pulled this just to highlight the uh the tree dollars moving to work rather quickly after we discussed it. So
Mr. Carbala. Yeah, I would I would say it's a it's a great example of this board's commitment and our commitment here at the county to uh you know to use these funds uh to reinvest in beautifying the community. And that was kind of serendipitous that we had a uh public comment on the same thing about
using those dollars to to beautify and add to the tree canopy. you know, from an administrative perspective, I will tell you from a budgeting perspective, you know, making the move to uh to to, you know, use these funds instead of project funds opens up other dollars that can be used in the public works
department. So, using more restrictive funds is is a is the approach that we need to be taking. And since we've we've made this board has made the changes to the to the tree ordinance and the use of those funds, you're going to see more good stuff like this this to come. So, I just thank the board for for approving
that and pushing us on on this to to make these things happen. >> Yeah. And for for the record, what what's what's that uh account? Roughly $10 million, >> something like that. >> Something $10 million. So, we have quite a bit of money to to go to work. And so, let the record show that we can actually
move the needle with projects here. So, pretty neat. With that, I move approval. >> Well, um before you before you make the motion or Okay, we have a motion and a second under discussion. Um, I just want the public to know that while this one is starting on Little Road, we have a
plan to move across the county and I don't remember what our next road is. It might be 41 >> or call your parkway, but the plan is to move across the county and every and hit
every area in, you know, rotating sequence. I don't think this is just going to stop on little road. It's going to go all over. Commissioner, >> thank you. No, it's a it's a great great way to spend money, which takes away from having to spend taxpayer dollars, >> but it deals with mitigation fund money,
which is which helps us stretch the budget more and and get more things done. >> One of the things I I came along today and I drove a little bit differently. I went 52 all the way out to Fort King Road. Uh, and in doing so, >> that's what I did. They had some really nice floral bushes in the ground that
they don't work quite everywhere, but wherever we can put that would actually cut down mowing as well and cut down to the expense. So, I'd like us to take a look. I know we had like these one stretches on one side of the road, the other side of the road, but I think we should take a look at expanding that more and then even toward the end when it gets to where they don't want the height uh that peanut grass, we can add
that into it as well. >> Can you take a picture of it so we can see the what the plant you're talking about? >> Sure. >> The tree. >> Yeah. they uh and you know, we didn't do the Clinton Avenue extension. DOT did it at their expense and they're going to maintain it. So, it's amazing. Um I'd
like to know how that happened, but I'm just very grateful that it did. And uh but I think you know how your county presents itself on its public roads is very important and okay. So, we have a motion and a second. All in favor?
>> I opposed. All right. C28 is withdrawn. Um, is it withdrawn for Scrier's error or what? Why is it withdrawn? >> Yes, ma'am. Just the the logistics of of making the changes on the record, we just assume just withdraw it and we'll bring it back at a subsequent meeting.
It in no way affects the grant. That's all done. It was literally a $10 >> because we want the to keep working. >> So, we'll >> but they have left off my district. So, >> yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Uh, C30, Commissioner Oakley. >> Thank you.
I'm trying to read this >> short list and delegation of negotiations and execution of agreements to county administrator. >> This was the shelter item commission. >> Oh, this is shelter. Keith Wley is behind that. Keith and I have been working with the city of Dade City and
and many about this shelter and actually last year was one of our asks for the shelter last year. So, um, hopefully we'll be able to achieve that $20 million that we're looking for from the state to to match what we're going to
match with $20 million is $40 million project. So, >> very much needed on East Pasco and for a regional shelter to be able to help people from Hillsboro and Pine counties. I think it's very warranted for for what
we're asking for for the state for for shelter for people coming off the coast. >> Chair, I think we need to ask for a million for each degree of a temperature swing we have over over a 24-hour period and then it would be fully fully
funded. >> Yeah. But that's a good project that's coming and it it has a lot of emergency services with it that provides oxygen all for those people that that come here that need that care during the bad weather times and getting them off that
coast. So absolutely and out of harm's way. So >> we are supporting your >> So I move approval. Second second more discussion. >> Yes. >> Um and I'm I'm very happy that we're moving this forward trying to get help from the state again. Uh hopefully they'll see it because what the people from the east side of the county went
through was devastating. We know a lot of times when on the west side when a storm's coming in, storm surge coming, people don't want to go to Wesley Chapel. They don't want to go to Date City. So having it closer to where the people are is definitely a need. And there's so many other benefits to it to be multi-purpose. And I think we should
add this with our u as far as we talk about what to do with federally as far as things. I think February when we go to DC for the uh NATO conference or before we add this into it as far as one on federal ass. >> Yeah. And I'm thinking that we do a separate trip as well because sometimes
it's so hard to watch. >> I think part of this is getting the design ready and we're moving forward on >> We still want to we still want to set the stage to ask for the money now to get ourselves a position because it takes time to get it anyway. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you want to make a motion? >> Some move. You have a motion to second
already. >> Yeah. Oh, okay. Um, all in favor? I opposed. Thank you. C3737. >> This is uh design and postdesign service for Curly Road sidewalk. the intersection. >> Yeah, that that's been a roads have been
needed for a long time and so we're going to get some of the sidewalks done in that area that like I say population is growing and more and more people need sidewalks to there or schools near that area too that that need the sidewalks
for people to be able to walk to school and things of that nature. So, >> is this funding coming from our federal funding? This is uh part of the legislative ask from >> Oh, from last year. Okay. Excellent. >> Yep. >> Who's move approval? >> Okay. Second. >> All in favor? I
>> All right. C38, Commissioner Oakley. >> All right. This one's >> FDOT, Pasco Elementary, Fort King Road from Hester. >> Oh, yeah. That's that's sidewalk we've been asking for for a long time. Right along Morningside Drive and and Fort King Road. Is this going to be a
multi-use path or something? Is there already a multi-use path there? >> I think this is Is it uh >> because the trail the orange belt trail is coming up there? >> Yeah, but it's not it's not the orange belt trail, >> but aren't we bringing orange belt over to Morningside?
>> I don't know the >> that's the route preferred route on the >> Yeah, I don't think the overall route study has been blessed yet. >> Well, then we're looking at I do not want to build a sidewalk that we're going to tear up and put a multi-use. What's go that I thought we all agreed
it was coming to Morningside then Hook and what's the date city trail? >> Uh Hardy Hardy >> Hardy trail. Yes. >> I don't know I don't know that route because I haven't been told that route on the on that trail. >> I know it but I don't know.
>> Yeah. Can you put a map up please? >> We're already tearing up a new sidewalk on Old 52. go to >> see. >> So, you know that that trail you're talking about, the Hardy Trail, it goes along the old railroad track red that
goes down through Dade City. I know, but I understood the connector for Orange Belt that um >> so I don't know where they're connecting that to >> I think it's coming from Old 52 to Morning Side North.
>> Morning Side runs east and west. >> Well, yeah, >> I I don't know that road except for that discussion. Well, who who >> we've been six years waiting on that mortgage side to be >> I know, but >> but maybe we just need it to be a little whiter.
>> So, where's the map? >> And um do you is there anyone from >> here? >> Okay. >> I don't think that's where it is. >> Panosc assistant. >> This is not where it is.
>> Services director. Um, the Harry Trail is to the east of uh of Fort King Road. So, it's it's not running. Excuse me. It's not running along Fort King. >> Can we get that area up where we're
talking about? >> I'm working on it. >> Okay. And then we'll need to see the proposed route for the orange belt. >> Do you miss Joanna yet? [Laughter]
Keep going north. >> It's by the high school, right? >> There you go. Zoom in. >> I'm learning. >> Hickory Hills. See? Go left. >> I don't think they're >> left. >> It's over here on the board. Yeah, >> there you go.
>> Just put the segment up between Pasco High School and >> Clinton going to There you go. There's the school right there. >> Yeah. So, >> and the paragraphs. >> So, >> yes, >> the route study for the orange belt
orange belt trail is not yet finalized. So, we don't have a final alignment for that trail. Um, from what I know is it seems like the state 52 or now county road 52 alignment is the most predom predominant alternative, but we're not
ready yet to recommend any alignment there. The stud is right now being finalized. It will be brought to you for a presentation, I believe, sometime in January or uh uh next year. So, uh in the meantime, like Commissioner Oakley
mentioned, there is an existing need for pedestrians and students along Fort King Road. So this sidewalk will take provide a sidewalk from south of Advent Health all the way to Colon Road is about short of a mile
of sidewalk and it will provide access to Pasco High and also to the fairground. >> Madam Chair, >> Madam Chair. >> Yeah. No. So, is is I think I'm looking at the I was looking at the right thing and this I'm not sure if you want to put a pointer to where exactly we're talking
about here, but is the trail that runs right now from the south running up to the north and it dead ends. Correct. >> Hardy. >> Is that >> the Hardy trail? You can see it over to the right. >> Okay. >> Go up north of that arrow. North of There's the Hardy Trail, right?
>> Yeah. Hardy trail there. We've got to get >> it will connect with the future. >> All right. Is there something I'm talking about from the south now going to the north? Is there is there a road the trailer like stops at one point? Is that what we're talking about? >> Harry trail. Yeah, it stops at some point and the extension of Morningside
Drive which has a multi-use path will connect with Harry Trail and take it all the way to >> So that connection to the south will now go on with some existing and go through and that trail is only about 7 or 8 ft wide. Correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. So it's going to be about the same width. the the
>> sidewalk project will be the same width as what's there. >> It's about five feet. It's gonna be five foot sidewalk. >> It's not >> on No, >> I don't know why we would do seven feet. >> This is pedestrian sidewalk. >> Yeah, I know. Two, you know, two two people >> five feet. I mean, kids are going to be they're riding their bike to school.
They're going to have to go off the road, off the trail into the grass. >> All right. So, let's get back to If you would on the map, show us exactly where this thing is because I think you're I don't know if you're on the right or not. Hester. You see Hester there, Gina? Right below advent
north to see all the way past the intersection of old San road. >> It's after the apex there that the two roads converge >> but I think some of that some of that sidewalk is 5 foot and some of it is six
foot. So it's not it's not the trail yet. >> This is all right. So just right along that >> south south. >> So Hardy will be a different thing that we can add on and make it wider and make that a trail as it's a trail. >> That correct?
>> Is this being paid for with lap funding? >> Yes. >> With what funding? >> The construction. Yes. And >> so can you explain the local agency program in 30 seconds? >> Yes. It's a basically they fund projects that are connected to uh safe routes to
schools and things and those similar pro programs. So this money came for that purpose helping schools get better access for students. >> So this is >> who whose money is it? Federal money. >> This these are the federal money through
the program. >> This sidewalk? >> No, I don't think so. This did not go through the ranking process that we have at Mo. >> I'm not sure. This was funded by the from uh the lab pro program. The design
was funded through the lab program. >> The lab program is is managed by the state. It is federal funds, but the lab program is is overseen by the state. And so, >> have we ever done any? >> We've done plenty of lap projects in this county. >> Interesting. I don't remember hearing that one. Um, is there a way we can at
least get that to six feet so two people can walk side by side or someone can pass someone safely on the sidewalk? >> We will we will look into it. Uh, there may be right of way issues and usually that's what keeps us from going to six feet. Usually our purpose and intent is
to give as much uh width as we can but most of the time we are limited by the right of way and that's when we go to the minimum which is 5T but we will we will look into it. I think I think part of it is scheduled to be five feet, but another part is six foot. >> So, I don't know which part
>> that might be right on side, but right along there, there's no sidewalk. There's a lot walk to the high school right there. >> Yeah. And kids ride a lot of different kind of motorized things to school these days. And if you can't pass each other safely, it causes
>> Oh, I understand. >> emergency issues when one of them has to, >> you know, And to that point, Commissioner, you have an item later on in today's agenda where we're looking at pedestrian standards across all of our collectors and arterials. So, I think, you know, that move too will set the stage to have less of these to have to
deal with in the future. >> It it'd be good to um take this and actually go back and and look at it and see where the orange trail is going to come in and it' be good to have that knowledge for both actually. >> Okay. So, >> yeah, >> take that back and report back.
>> Yes, >> Commissioner Mariana. All right. So, I would I would say that, you know, what we're working at I and I just drove up this road again. I've been down there when all the all the flooding that we had where the people or the low areas had been out of the homes for like like months. This air hole area is low. The
area that's alongside the road is is very narrow. So, I'm sure that it is tight to to that because it's tough to get the sidewalk in, but I think it's a much needed sidewalk because it's a it's a dangerous road to have kids out on it. So, I I'm going to support it to uh move on to it. And when we do the Hardy Road,
the Hardy Trail, let's make sure we continue that on because it's a it's a nice trail that just like stops. Yes. So that'd be nice to carry that on. >> Well, that's how that's how the or the the way the orange belt trail is getting to with Luchi State Trails connecting to the Hardy Trail. >> Yeah. And that's and that's good. But this separate need separate thing and
it's a good setup. >> But I would like to say I would like to look for money from somewhere to make it all six feet. If we have to buy more right away, let's find the money. And >> you're going to take away you're going to take away drainage. You going to take away drainage? We try.
>> Yeah, there's a number of challenges. I know it's this may seem like a sidewalk, but nobody wants to walk through a sidewalk that's underwater either. And so drainage, rightway width, those types of things do come into play and looking at clear zones. So they have a number of challenges that they that they'll go through, but we'll report back on on
this particular one and just know that the staff does have an eye to the future, understands what the board's wishes are when it comes to these sorts of things. So I think that good be report back and see where the orange belt trail plays into this so we make sure that Hardy connection all trail connection gets gets done the right way.
So but that approval >> second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> Okay. Uh C53. Uh, ma'am, I thought Commissioner Oakley and I both kind of had this um had this one removed, but I'd like to bring Keith Wy up to give
the board a brief presentation on on the importance of this conservation effort. >> Yep. >> Good morning, Madam Chair, members of the board. Keith Wy, director of parks, recreation, natural resources. And Mike, you're right. This should have been a regular item because this is a big deal. So,
>> very very Yeah, very big deal. Uh, largest acquisition the Elan program has processed to date. um little little over 1,900 acres. Um just a quick uh recap, you know, the Elant program's targeting to purchase and protect lands within the
ecological corridors, those areas you see up here on this map. Um this is why this is so special is it's actually one entire corridor plus extra. So uh very very important connection between Crossbar Albbar
uh property Connor preserve and obviously also connects through the Cypress Creek corridor to the uh the property to the northeast. We are partnering with the state. It's the family rural lands protection program. So this is going to be a 50-50 acquisition. The funding agreement in
front of you today um should hopefully get us to closing in January. So that's exciting to be able to partner with the state in a program that they prioritize and is very important to them. This is just a map of the actual ranch itself. The dotted lines are the actual ecological corridor that is that was
mapped out and identified in the cop plan, but is also actually attached to the ecological corridor ordinance and land development code. So as you can see, you're connecting u both major portions to the north and to the south. The team also has worked with FDOT to
ensure that there's a um an actual upland wildlife crossing when they do widen State Road 52. We participated in the actual design of that crossing. We're also going to be contributing to the funding of that. So when you when you line up all this together, it's something very very uh exciting and
something that we should be proud of. This acquisition is going to bring the Elamp inventory well over 8,000 acres to date since 2005. that does not include the other acreage, park acreage, um, that we manage for the water management district. So, total inventory is almost
30,000 acres that your parks department and conservation team actually oversees and manages. So, again, something we probably need to talk about more quite honestly that we don't. I know Commissioner Waitman, you've pulled some items in the past. Commissioner Oakley, thank you for highlighting this. Um, I'm actually going to go back to this
because this is important. So the ecological quarter ordinance technically through through the LDC when an applicant is going to actually uh increase density it it causes us uh an opportunity to negotiate with them. As you can see what what the team outlined
here is the total residential units and the commercial entitlements that was basically you know uh being proposed for this property through the purchase of a conservation easement. We're going to basically be protecting I would say 90% of what was originally proposed. So
that's pretty impressive. With that, I just want to thank you for the highlight. If there's any of >> course you know what I'm going to ask, >> go ahead, Commissioner May. >> All right. So it says it's going to decrease our residential units by 225 units. >> Yes. >> Not but still a total of 3500.
>> So I don't actually have those numbers in front of me unless the team knows. But I I think that Yes. So there's so to the west there's going to still be residential entitlements >> in area one. >> Yes. >> Which is not part of which is not part of this. >> No.
>> It's not part of it. Yes. >> This is the actual looking at >> the other parts of Okay. >> So um >> we're the we're the main ranch is what purchasing. >> I I got enough >> and so that won't be developed any any further than what it is. And uh it's
very good. open space for in our county and it's in district one east Pasco County and we have very rural nature of all the people in this area want to keep rural and keep open space.
>> It just adds to that open just to the west of this property. uh they have a residential area there, but then you have uh some large lots, lodge homes to give you more open space in in this district. And the fact of it is
that it's very important for citizens. Palmetal Ridge is going to be developed, but it's a 3600 acre to the west of this property. 3,600 acres that only 1,800 acres will be developed, and you have 1,800 acres there that'll also be open
space that connects to this property. So, um, it's very good that we have a lot of open space in in some of our areas in the county. >> Commissioner Whiteman. >> Yeah. Thanks, Chair. Yeah. You know, it all starts, and I'll say it every time,
it all starts with a willing land owner >> to sell their property at a significant price reduction. Kirkland's, the Phillips. And so just again on the record, thank thank the Phillips family and 4G for their willingness to explore
the opportunity and then take action um to connect the corridors and and preserve here in Pasco. And uh so you know, land owners out there, if you're listening, we'd love to talk to you if you have if you have something >> and um but but thank you to the land
owners who choose to participate in our el program and the in the uh work with the Florida Department of A. Commissioner Oakley. >> Well, I left out one thing about it and and it does take good partners to be able to do good things for the county.
Um the Phillips family have been very plus on being a great partner for Pasco County and a lot of different ways and reclaim water that we put out there 2 million gallons a day and uh takes care of issues out there and the water issues
and helps the environment come back. uh so many things that and the federal family's been a part of. They're probably the number one group on our emergency list for when we have troubles. They step up and and come and help us. So, uh we've been great
partners for a long time and we're going to continue to be. So, it's very good and thank thank the family for for their efforts and putting this property up for sale. >> Absolutely. Um can you go back to the other map? So, um, Keith, we had worked
with, is that where the original corridor was? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, we had worked with them when they were doing their plan on the multi-use, you know, the trail that would go up connect 52 to Crossbar and Elvar, >> right? >> Um, and that's still allowed. I mean, we
haven't lost that connection, right? >> No, we have not. >> Okay. Um, and I I too want to thank the uh, Phillips family. And I want to let you all know uh, Avis recently had a pretty serious um, surgery and we she's recovering well and we sent her our best
wishes for a speedy recovery or she'd be down here already. So, uh, I thought I'd be hanging out with my buddy already, but she won't be down for another month. Um, and also the uh the county's paying half and the rural lands program that
Commissioner Simpson started, I believe, is paying the other half. So, this is a joint >> purchase. So, I move approval. >> We're very grateful. All in favor? >> I. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> That's a big acquisition right there.
>> Okay. We are now on to the RS. No, that that clock is an hour off. >> I know that's uh I do need to say uh to someone this clock is an hour off. It's been throwing me off and I have to remember. Um but it says it's 12:22 and
it's 11:22. Okay, so we are on to R55. >> Good morning. David Engel, planning and economic development director. Today I'm very happy to present to you a economic incentive agreement. It's a it's always
a happy experience to bring these projects to the board, but this is extra special because Vantage Point AI is in a existing business in Pasco County. They've been here for decades and as well as a happy opportunity to present an agenda item. It's also a celebratory
agenda item. So, I'm going to go through the uh project very quickly, outline the economic incentives that we are proposing for the project. Then, Turner Arbor of the Pasco Economic Development Council will speak uh giving you some history regarding the project. And Mr.
Lane Mendelson, the president and CEO of Vantage Point AI, will be uh wrapping up uh to answer questions and just give you a little bit of history on the business. The property in question is located in Wesley Chapel. It's just due east of I75
in a business area and uh Vanishoint AI is purchasing this building and going to renovate it and and inside and create an opportunity here for um 60 new full-time jobs coming in into this uh facility.
this those jobs will be highpaying at 150% of the average uh Pasco average wage and uh the total employment that's the direct of the 60 people is direct indirect is businessto business induced
is um businesses have to expand when demand um is expanding here in the county it totals 85 jobs uh here in the county the annual contribution to the gross county product this will be every year once it's built out. $23.4 million
to our local economy. And this is a a very standardized economic incentive deal. $331,047 total. The predominant amount of the incentive will be $240,000 for the 4-year payout of the job
creation incentive. And might I add that all of these incentives are maximums and are all performance-based. You have to produce the job. shows the W TWS and we pay out 25% a year for four years. Because it is a enormous uh highpaying
opportunity here for the county, we're giving a high impact fee bonus of $61,047. That's a break on the advalorum taxes paid out over 10 years. 50% of the advalorum rebate in years 1 through five
and then 25% 6 through 10. And lastly, we have a $30,000 max uh grant training um uh incentive to allow these new employees to be in uh brought in here and um and trained properly. This is a
target industry. It's a um it's a software service. They have um uh market capital market forecasting algorithms and artificial intelligence which they train people to use and benefit for for
for their businesses and portfolios. So I'd like to introduce uh Pasco EDC Mr. Arbor. >> Good morning commissioners chair uh turn of the Pasco EDC. It's great to be with you on this uh Wednesday morning. a cold
Wednesday morning. Uh, Vantage Point AI is exactly the kind of project that Pasco County uh, sets out to attract in our high industry or high technology industries. And most people don't know that we have quite a few high-tech companies here in Pasco. And we're excited to highlight one today. U, this
company is investing over $4 million in purchasing and renovating a 10,000 foot building in Wesley Chapel. and they're going to create 60 new jobs over the next three years in uh in disciplines like AI programming, customer support in
uh AI and in the finance industry. While artificial intelligence is often viewed as replacing jobs, this is a great example of a company that's creating jobs through AI. So, we're really excited to see that. And technology is something that flows throughout all of our target industries so that we're
going to hopefully have more companies like this uh in the future. And this is a great testament to Paso County's environment for these companies to grow and expand and helps us on the front of recruiting more companies like this to the region. Hopefully not your competitors but others in the same industry.
Um we're really excited for the project. Uh uh they've already began to hire some of the jobs. And with that, I'd like to bring up Lane talk a little bit about the company, multigenerational company here in Pasco County. And uh Good morning everybody. Um really glad
to be here. This is a very exciting time because we're growing and uh growth can be sometimes a little uh scary when you're stepping out doing something new and expanding. We're also at the same time as we're growing we're really making a push towards um having inoff
staff again. >> Yeah. Cuz >> um yeah, we're doing it in a little bit of a unique way. We're not requiring anybody who's remote. We do have quite a few people remote. None of them are going to be required to come in office. So, we're saying, hey, if you're if you're productive and you're doing well in your remote position, we're going to
allow you to stay remote, but we're going to start hiring uh in office. And it's just we found it to be better from a teamwork perspective, from communication perspective, accountability, and um that is part of our growth plan. So part of it is um growing the numbers but also growing the
numbers in an environment where we can all collaborate and have better teamwork and and communication. I want to start by saying that uh thank you to my dad. My dad is here. >> Um >> if it wasn't for him, I literally would not be here today. So thank you for for
for everything for being a great father. And uh he's taught me a lot about business. He's taught me a lot about integrity, a lot about how to communicate with people and have good relationships with people. And uh and that's what I I've learned and I'm passing on to my daughters as well. Um
and thank you for um having the the the insight and the foresight and the innovation to start a a software company in 1979. Um I wasn't around in 1979. I came on the scene in 1980, but my dad said that when he told his father-in-law, my grandfather, "Yeah,
I'm going to start a software company. I'm going to leave my job as a hospital administrator and I'm going to start a software company. My grandfather said, um, nobody has computers. Who is going to want your software? And, uh, my father said, they will. It will come. You'll see. And, uh, and we we can see
how things have progressed. So, uh, over the past 46 years that we've had the the family business, uh, we've been here in Pasco since 1987. And you can imagine as as running a family business, there's ups, there's downs. It's not always easy, but um
we've persevered and um we I think are in the best position now, more so than ever. We've learned so much about how to operate in different environments uh in different generationals of of of of employment and staffing and with technology and um like Turner said, we
are not using AI to replace people. We're using AI to take people who are talented and help them to better leverage their talent. And and I think that's going to be another key to our growth. So, I'm very excited about that. I want to thank uh Mr. Mike Corbalo when I reached out to him and said, "We want to grow and we, you know, want to see
what we can do to grow in Pasco." He was kind enough to direct me over to David Engel who was uh very helpful and put me in touch with Turner and Turner and and Bill Cronin did a great job um helping to package everything up and helping uh me to communicate to them what our
growth strategy and growth plans are and and get us to this point. And I just want to say thank you to all of you for your support of of me personally and my family and our business and and also to to all of you. Uh I know all of you and I appreciate all of you and thank you
for for what you do. Not just for for me, my family, for our business, but for all the things that you do in the county. Very proud to be here. I love being here. Um moved here when I was seven. First thing I did when it was time for me to move out of my mom and dad's house, I bought the property
behind them. And um and I have enough property around me now that I would love it if both of my daughters would say, "Dad, I'd love to live right there, right near you." And and I think I think the plan is working. I think we're there. Um you know, 15 and 12, they're not making those decisions yet, but
they're they're definitely talking about the future and being here and being productive members uh here in Pasco County. And uh and I assure you that um as our company continues to grow and flourish, we'll continue our charitable giving and continue to invest back in
the community that has invested in us. And um I don't take any of this that uh that is that has been put together. I don't take any of this for granted. Uh I take it very seriously. I know it's a responsibility that I have to lead and grow the company and I don't take that
lightly and I will give 110% to make sure that we not only hit these numbers of growth and and help to employ people at these higher levels uh of salary but but even exceed that. So, thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Yes, Commissioner Oakley.
>> Okay. I've known Lane for a long time. I um I think the first time I ever ran for election, Lane had me come to his office there on Pasco Road and I I spoke to his employees there. That was pretty exciting for me. Um but we've been
friends forever ever since and family friends. Been out to dinner, celebrated a lot of different things, celebrated his kids doing a lot of different things because one I think Rachel had her had a steer and I happened to buy that steer last year. That's right. So, uh, his
name was Johnny Cash. I can eat the steaks, but my wife can't because had a name. So, uh, but the fact of it is a lot of different things they're involved in really are things that children aren't to grow up in. And Aby's
especially all Aby's done with the two good souls of monies that have come from that through through his children and through his family of all they're doing working with the county and citizens of the county to to make things better and also to bring up young young future
adults and citizens that will care about the county and the citizens in this county. And those two girls are really go a long ways because they're they certainly appreciate all they've been able to do. So we're very thankful for all that you do. >> Thank you,
>> Mr. W. Yeah. What's what's this year's steer's name? >> Uh >> Toby Beef. >> Toby Beef. >> Mr. Oakley to Toby Beef. He's your name on it come come January February time frame. No, I was talking we were talking
with Mike yesterday and whenever we you know we see these uh we have these votes from time to time the conversation came up that out of out of all the all the the projects that have been approved the return on investment with you all is
probably what would you say turner best out there? I know the organization previous organization standpoint. >> So yeah, and it just shows and it's not just not just with your with your business acumen, but but what you guys
do, you know, with your philanthropy and and just giving back and all your allin investment from family to your business to helping others in need throughout our our county. and um just makes me very proud and honored to know you all and
watch your girls grow up and see what they're involved in and hopefully have uh couple of young girls that you know Jamie will be eight Thanksgiving. Somebody to look up to as she continues to to grow and and and be involved in our community. So very glad that you all
here today. Thank you for your continued investment and your growth here in the county and uh we're proud to help you where we can. >> Thank you. >> Commissioner Yeah, I want to say just I I've been on your calls with your staff and just shout out to your staff that
obviously it starts at the top with your leadership how excited they are to give back and that is just like I said comes comes from you guys and um we are blessed to have you in our community and our community looks different because you guys are in it. So thank you so much
for everything. I look forward to working with you on Grace's food pantry this next quarter. I'm very very excited. So great job. >> Thank you. >> Mariana, >> thank you. I want to say Mr. Mendelson, you did a great job raising a great son who's raising a great family. I mean,
Mandy and the girls, what you got going on is just amazing. It's it's story books as as as great as it is. So, thank you that end all the all you do with good souls and all your other things to help out. Greatly appreciate it. You're always always giving back, looking to what you can do to better the community and you're teaching your girls along the
way to do the same, which is phenomenal. So, I know I know they're going to do great. Um just like to highlight for the board uh this company is phenomenal and co affected him dramatically. Yeah. >> The building he had on Old Pasco Road all of a sudden the people didn't want
to come in. >> Uh didn't want to come back in. Obviously with CO they couldn't didn't want to come back in. Ends up having a great situation financially to have someone else take over the building. But then he's looking to come back in. He can't find a place nearby like he wanted
to be in the same area. Like we looked at that place at Overpass Road in Old Pasco. We said there's office space there. And I was telling you guys that there's people out there and told the developer that people need fe simple office space that they can go invest in and bring the company in. They don't want to just come in and rent from somebody and do something.
>> So I'm going to tell you what he had to go through to get to this building shouldn't have happened in a sense. We've got to make sure we keep on wish helping gentlemen like this to have opportunities to be able to land their business where they want to land it and not just convert things to apartments
because we're getting pressure or other things that you know would go on. We need to make sure with these office things come in because this target industry as commissioner wait just mentioning it sets up a base for economics where you get the core you get the highincome people coming in and that leads to other great things all around
between demographics of homes they can buy and want to buy between businesses want to locate here and help this county grow in a strong way and that's been uh something I've been proud of to that we great work we've done but there's more we can do because right now with what you just went through shouldn't have happened we should had some more space
available So, I think we keep that focus that the opportunities are there. Don't listen to developers looking trying to make the quick buck. We got to help guys like this guy and the great companies got going on. So, I'm I'm very excited that this is coming forward. Uh I think it's going to be great that you're going to bring people in and you're going to
you're going to actually double the size of your business in a sense because you get the people going to still work remote, but now you get people coming in too. And again, I think it's it's kind of like helping you almost like they cut the head with the snake too, come back. Well, that's what that's what's going on here. So, I think what you're going to do is going to be phenomenal. I have no
doubt you're going to meet the expectations here and you probably look for another building. So, good luck and thank you for being in Pasco County. You're a great man. >> Thank you. >> Well, uh I'm going to say I think I was the first commissioner to meet you. >> Do you think? >> Because it would have been before
Oakley. I know it was before Oakley, but he's been here longer than me. But I think you called me and said, "Hey, I'm a friend of Will Weatherfords. I need to talk to you. I want you to come to my business." And um anyway, >> then we did the comm the commissioner's baby shower. >> Yes. And you did the comm commissioner's
baby shower for a number of years at our at our market where we we raised uh uh money and um supplies for the um sunshine group that works with foster kids and uh you know when they were taken out of their homes lots of times
the foster parents didn't have any supplies to take care of these babies. So we we were helping them. Um, well, I I can't say anything more than my fellow commissioners have said. I think you set the bar for how to help your community to be a better place and um,
generationally, I'm excited to watch your family. Um, you've done you've just you're just the shining star really. You you have set the example for others to follow and it'll be hard to follow in your family's footsteps. So, I'm excited for you and
um let's take a motion and get this project going. >> Move approval. >> Um ma'am, just a little housekeeping. The >> Office of Economic uh growth recommends approval of this economic incentive. Thank you. >> We Okay, we had a motion and a second.
So, all in favor? I opposed. Nays. >> No pressure. >> No. >> No pressure. >> Um so, great job. Congratulations. >> Thank Thank you all. Okay. No, I'm going to keep moving because we're we're we're going late here. >> Yeah, >> I think we take a picture.
>> All right, we'll do a quick deal. >> Down back fast, guys. You want to >> everyone? Sorry. >> Very modern. I mean, it was Okay, let's go over this contract.
Who's presenting? Mike, >> it's this afternoon. >> I think originally they wanted to hear this this afternoon. Uh since the board would have to adopt the search charges in order to do it this afternoon. I didn't have that on my notes. >> Sorry about that. >> Oh, to be heard after P68. I got it. Okay. Commissioner Oakley. Commissioner
items. >> Okay. >> I went deer hunting. I did not shoot anything, but I saw a lot of deer. The only 10pointer I I saw was on camera and it was 3:30 in the morning. So, I
didn't get it. So, anyway, >> didn't use a spotlight. >> It was good relaxing. but went and visited with uh uh public works on their quarterly meeting and I think you went to one over in Mr.
Stark who went to a quarterly meeting not this one but the 911 >> and they look like they're paying attention. >> Yep. And well they do they're they're very good. They they give out awards for for the year of service in the county and there's so many different moving
parts in the public works area that you you walk in there it's just just amazing at all the good works and good things that happen from a group of people and that's only part of them because there's a lot more than could fit in that room that works in public works around. So
they do a great job and I certainly appreciate you being able to be there and speak to them. So, I'm really grateful for all they do all over for our citizens. So, that's it.
>> Okay. Commissioner, wait me. >> Well, I have to brag. University of South Florida. >> Oh, we're not talking. We are first time in the college playoffs. We made it. >> So, go Bulls. It's exciting to see. >> Is that why you're wearing green?
>> Tie. Yeah. Right here. Something to root for. They got a ball team. >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. >> Just checking. >> Greatest kicker country about right now. Um thank want to thank the school board for having their uh their round table. Many of us were there. Uh a nice nice
gathering of folks at St. Leo and thank thank you to St. Leo for hosting us. Um and then Kathy if Kathy would mind might come up put you on spot. two good souls um event last week, two weeks ago, seems recent, but uh Melson's always
contribute and um he and the girls were there and and they represented the private sector side. Congrat Mike Wells, they they won. They they had the most shoes, but just phenomenal event. Figure we talk about had some nice there. >> Kathy Pearson, assistant county
administrator of public services. Commissioner Weightman, thank you for being there. Your speech was very inspirational. So, thank you. Um, 10 years I use this as a my grandson just turned 13. When we started this, he was three. So, 10 years we've been doing
this. This is behalf of the whole um county is all our constitutional officers that are involved, our amazing staff. We have collected so far to date, I think it's close to 24,000 pairs of shoes and over almost 55 56,000 pairs of
socks. We almost hit the 3,000 mark this year with shoes and I think it was um I don't know 56,000 on socks. So, you know, we started this 10 years ago. We were really wondering, man, is this going to work? Is this really going to happen? And when you hear the social
workers every single year that they come here and the case workers and they were picking out shoes for these kids, they'll tell you there are kids that still have tape around their sneakers. They cut their toes off the shoes because they don't fit.
>> This is really a blessing and they these shoes will be gone by Christmas. So on beh be behalf of all you almost won by the way. We snuck you out. Public services snuck you out a little bit. But you know I want to do say uh Lane Mendelson every year he donates.
>> We only almost won because Lane chose to join the commission this year. Two good souls went to me this year went to me and went to you guys. So we got to find another lane. >> Lane, you want to talk about two good souls and what it means to to your family and you're supporting it. Two
good souls. >> Absolutely. Come on. >> Without lane. >> Abby is our spokesperson now and I'm confident when I'm long and gone she will continue the tradition. So >> yeah, um it was uh really interesting because guess 5 years ago we met Kathy
at the um grand opening of the first family homeless shelter in Pasco and um Rachel was there. You were there. >> Yeah. >> And my daughter Rachel was I don't know 10 maybe 11. And we had packaged up 70 75 backpacks full of toys and games and
hats and little watches and coloring books so that when a family would come and check in. Not a not a good day obviously, but the kids were greeted with, "Hey, here's a backpack." Almost like you're, you know, here's a welcome gift, swag bag. And um Rachel felt really connected to that and she felt
really good about that. It was something that she had read that another kid had done in another state. And Miss Kathy came up to me and said, "Oh, it' be great if you guys could participate with with Two Good Souls. Maybe next year." I said, "Okay, well, why next year?" And she said, "Well, our event is next
month." This was September and October was Two Good Souls. I said, "Why can't we why can't we do it this year?" She said, "Well, it's a it's only a month away." I said, "We can we can get shoes and socks in a month. That's that's not a problem." So, that was our first year getting involved. And um and I said to
Abby, "Would you like to work on this with me cuz she saw Rachel uh packing the backpacks and she saw Rachel getting excited about it and talking about it. So, this was a really great opportunity for Abby to have her thing and she felt she's like, "Yeah, absolutely. I'm really excited about this. Let's do it."
So, we um you know, I was thinking, okay, we're going to do this. You know, we kind of move around and help different organizations, but Aby's like, I want to do it every year. And so, she's like the ambassador of Two Good Souls. And um I'll also say that um her
public speaking skills have improved because um Miss Kathy gives Abby an opportunity to talk in front of people each year and she writes a speech and she practices it and so it's really it's really become part of her identity and she loves the fact that she's helping
kids and she gets to talk about it with other people and she even uh last year at one of our events Abby was talking about it and and how much it means to her and afterwards one of one of our customers came up to Abby and said, "I want to donate. You inspired me. How do
I donate? I want to give $2,000 and buy shoes in your honor." And Abby was so excited like she she called Kathy's like, "I got more money coming in. We can buy more shoes." And um so it really um her her positivity and her desire to help became contagious in a good way.
And and um it's yeah, it's been fantastic and in many ways. So really appreciate it. >> One more person I want to thank. If you ever see Jacques Hum in our community, >> we couldn't do it without him. We partner with him. He gets us discounted amount of shoes and I think how many?
500 pairs of shoes. >> We need to get him on our team as well because I think he's on Wells team, right? >> No. >> No. I think was on Wells team. >> I'm not sure. But anyway, >> yeah. Please. >> Does he have a permit going through?
>> Very instrumental in our community as you all know. But we were able to buy more shoes because of him. And one more note I want to just say to Lane, you know, it has been a pleasure and an honor watching watching Abby grow. It brings tears to my eyes. You know, she's
12 now. She was seven when she started, right? Seven. And the maturity. I feel like I feel like part of their family. That's how they make you feel. You feel part of them. So, thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Thank you. >> And and Kathy, the the the greatest need for shoot What were the sizes of the middle? big ones.
>> So, we tried to get bigger sizes. We do have smaller, but it's mostly for the um you know, sizes eight and nine and up because those are the kids that sometimes get forgotten about. We do plan on coming back in January with some of the social workers and we'll have a
little film and obviously invite Abby back so you can honor them sometime in January or February. We're working out those details. So, thank you all. >> 10 years. Congratulations to everybody who's been involved from from its uh from its from its startup and um
wonderful work. So that's all I have to >> uh commissioner. Okay. All right. Well um I just have to wait for Gina to get back. >> It's okay. >> We can start with what I'm um I just handed everybody. She's going to put it
up. I'm um >> doing a thing stockings for seniors. So, we are trying to service 115 seniors that are in the congregate dining um through the county. So, we are trying to bless them. And these are some of the
items that we are trying to collect. So, I have flyers if anybody would like to help. We're going to have a box um at our office. If you'd like to drop things off, that'd be great. So, and I have flyers if anybody wants one. Okay. Next, I have a bunch and I will be super quick
because it's been busy. Okay, so this was um I'll let Commissioner Starky. I'll skip this one. I'll let Commissioner Starky um explain that that's her baby. Okay, so we have partnered with One-Stop Shop and a special shout out to Parks. Onetop shop is in Dade City. So, we have been able
to bless this organization and give them a ton of resources for Dade City. I believe there's another slide on this one. So this grandma in Dade City had nothing. So we were be able we were able to provide her with a couch, the two
chairs, the coffee table, a table, things for her bathroom, things for her bedroom, and she her apartment was literally empty. So she was so excited. So next one. This was our legislative um partnership with um Superintendent Le.
This was very informative and um Seth was there and um all the different um people in the community. It was very good. Hopefully they'll do it again next year. >> Pretty neat, wasn't it? >> Yeah, >> it was really neat. >> You know, one of my suggestions was I think they should explain what their millillage does
>> because that was something that I think would be helpful for for everybody at least, you know. So, okay, next slide. Okay, this is so much fun. Shout out to every single um employee that dressed up
for the seniors. Their costumes were amazing. I'm telling you, District 4, we are bringing it next year because I had no clue this was a thing. But the washer and the dryer and the hot dog vendor operation, all the staff really gets
into it. Um the the the everybody loved it. It's so much fun. So, shout out to Brian and Kathy and that entire team because this was this was so fun. Okay, next one. And then right after that, we went to the Vincent House for the chili cookoff and they're about to put up a
bunch of housing which is really exciting. So, Gus got them the funding for that. So, that was it. That was just such a fun day. So, next one. >> Who won? Commissioner Jagger. >> I don't know because I don't eat chili. Uh this is the Gold Star family uh
breakfast. This was absolutely beautiful. I have the information in my car, but if you'd like to buy a brick for it, it's $100 and it pretty memorial. Great cause. It was absolutely beautiful. Next slide. >> Okay, this was the area of Agent Lunchin
and um Brian um was actually at another table when I I hijacked him and said, "Come sit by us." So, this was amazing and they raised a lot of money for a great cause. Okay. Oh, this was our So, we had a this is our second health fair with um the Department of Health and
Mafett brought the the lung screening bus and Feeding Tampa Bay came. We fed 112 families. There were 20some mammograms. People had immunizations and all all sorts of things. So, this was amazing and um I can't wait to do
another one. So, there's that. This was the home dedication. They had seven homes they were dedicating. So it was very it was a beautiful beautiful day. So next slide. So this was paint the night blue for Pasco Kids First. Um
there's not a picture here, but the artist who he's very famous, has photos all over the world, but he was abused as a child and that's how he kind of got into art. It was very moving, very emotional. Okay, next one. >> What's the location of that?
>> That was at the Greek Orthodox Church. >> Damian Stuck is >> Oh, Damian Stuck. Thank you. Is he he's local? Is he based? >> But he's everywhere. Like he's he's everywhere. Um all over the country. >> Yep. Mara Lago, TPO, USA, all sorts of
things. >> Is he a Pasco resident? >> Tampa Bay. He is so Yep. Okay. And then this was I did the welcome for the delegation. And that was great. And I think that's it.
Is that it? I have one more thing I'm just sending to texting Gina real quick. I just wanted to show you this lady. I I did the Veterans Day Gina. I just sent you a text. Um I don't know if you just put it up on the screen, but I met this lady um and she served three different
branches. So she was in the Army, the Air Force, and the Marines. And then when she retired, she was a Philadelphia police officer. So, it was it was a real honor to meet her and she lives uh right here in Pasco County. So, I just wanted
to if you can't get it, Gina, it's no big deal. But she was just a super cool lady and I'd never met anybody that had served in three branches. She was very funny. She said, "I tried going in the Navy, but they told me I was overweight or else I would have been in another branch."
>> So, all right, Commission Mariano. >> All right. I got a few pictures. Um all of you want to bring them up, Jan. go along. Uh I was over Sadden Brook and all the discussion about the golf course, the changes they're going to make going from 36 to 27, uh how they
were going to make holes better. I'm going to tell you, they delivered on the nine holes I played the other day. Um the designers like made some great changes. The condition of not only the Saddle Brook course itself, um but even the one they haven't renovated yet, the Saddle Brook back nine. The greens are
absolutely perfect. >> Really, >> absolutely perfect. Um the pool has now been renovated where they got a brand new shelters out there. They re redressed everything that looks good. The pool has been redone. Just a phenomenal the the uh amenities are are
just incredible. So what they've been doing to promise to bring forward it's going to be a great great addition for the county and and really elevating uh the resort up. Next page. Um, so watching Fox News the other day, you know, after just coming and I'll
I'll talk to Amskills their uh training thing they had. There is such a shortage of workers and we've known this from in Tampa Bay with this like 3,200 jobs could have been filled just a while ago. This is the nation now and they say, you know, listen to Jim Farley from the
president of CEO of Ford talking about how people is it's it's almost those other gentlemen on it. They're saying for every five workers that are retired, there's only two replacing in the workforce. >> So everything that I think we're doing at MS skills is critical and we need to expand. And I'm going to be working real
hard with the Hudson Industrial Park up by Hicks Road and Hudson A to make sure we bring a giant building in there before we get heating, AC, plumbing, uh, as well as all the M skills for manufacturing coming on. But look at the shortage that's going on right now. And I think I think there's not going to be
an opportunity, Mike, to reach out to the car dealerships that are right here because they have such a shortage as well. And there's good paying jobs that are out there that we need to kind of reach out and and jump into the market as well. And I think if we needed to, we could reach out to Ford and we probably get them to join right with us to help
us sponsor some of this. I think they would. >> Yeah, they have a foundation. >> They they I think they would love it. And I plan to make that reach out, but I wanted to kind of just share with you what's going on there. All right. Next, um the paint and night blue. What a what what a great event. You had the picture from the outside. That was the picture
from the inside. You see the place is absolutely packed. >> Yeah, that's awesome. >> Uh just a phenomenal event. Pasco Kids First, they're one of our beneficiaries for the opioid money, etc. But doing a great job and it's great to see the community support and they ran a really really good program.
Uh the MS skills had the graduation. Mike, I had no idea it's nine years we've been working with training on utility workers down there. Uh, and I'll tell you, one by one, he had a bunch of those people come up and talk about how it affected their lives. There was a dad there that was brought there after his
son took the course. The dad was being changed out of a job. He's, "Dad, you need to come down here and take the course." And to hear him spill his guts about how great it was to do it and the encouragement he gave him. There was a couple of other ladies a little bit older that were in there, too. And then some young kids. One kid was in high
school and he'd done one of the programs over the summer and he says, "I want to skip my senior year and go to work for utilities right now." >> Oh. >> And uh >> we won't let him. >> So they they said, "No, that's exactly right." So the manager said, "No, you're going to go back to school. You finished. And when you graduate, you
come see me." When the kid's at his graduation, he actually calls the manager up and says, "I've graduated. Now I want to come to work." >> I love it. >> He had a five-year plan and he executed every one of those plan. He wanted to get married. his high school sweetheart, wanted to have a home, want to have a car, want to have a boat,
>> and I think it was one more thing in there. And he met all his goals and is now Oh, and being promoted to a fullman at that time. So, really just what they're doing is creating jobs, creating opportunities to make things happen. Uh, and I and I just was so enthused to see
it happen and how your team, Mike, was so enthused about, you know, making all this work to help their own force. Next one. Um, and I was at the Gold Star breakfast and I want to talk about that gold star breakfast which you guys heard while you were there. Um, so I was sitting with Judy Kennedy who's one of the big
sponsors that was put up the money as well as a bench for her uh her late husband John F. Kennedy at Veterans Memorial. Those monuments that uh between Mike Wells and and Jock uh absolutely phenomenal, weren't they? I mean it is just great. They gave little miniature replicas to the to the
families there. It was just such an awesome celebration. Tom Castriota great gave a great speech and uh it was like two nights ago before that Judy and I were talking about uh you know how about fundraising and trying to get the one for Wesley Chapel as well. I says well let's go around a golf tournament and uh
it was so funny. I hadn't even set the date or anything else up and Judy comes out at at it as you heard and says yeah and Jack Mariano's gonna run a golf tournament. So, I'm going to run a golf tournament. And uh Mike, you may I think we talked about this, maybe not, but uh I want to run it when I do the Scolop
and Seafood Fest. I want to run it the Friday that we kick it off. So, it's going to be Fourth of July weekend. Perfect for Gold Star. Perfect for tie in. Yeah. >> So, we get everybody who's played in the Gulf. We'll bring them right over to that and just really kind of make this thing go for that big 250 year celebration that Park wants to do. And I
think it's going to be a great kickoff. So, we're going to help hopefully have enough money to fund that next one by the by the >> Rick. I think that's pretty cool. >> I'm I'm going to buy a brick with my dad. So, yes. >> Yeah. Very cool. >> All right, next one. Uh that was a picture of just some of the outside stuff. The the VA was there. Uh they had
some nice uh um vehicles out there to kind of fire everybody up. Next. Um so part of the reason I missed some of the stuff that you guys were doing, which was great for the community, uh my wife and I, we celebrated our 30 fourth anniversary on the hill. >> Yeah. The Acropolis up there, Parthonon.
I'll tell you I I I tell you the history of the world and starting they say civilization starting in that era the stuff that I saw I saw seven different trips never mind kind of what we saw in Athens itself was just amazing um very historical and it's now got me reading
back into like uh Ephesians Colossians and I got the Bible out my wife's watching the stories I'm kind of reading along to see what like Paul went through etc saw where he was kept prisoner so but the history there was just amazing and and the people there were crazy and the food was great too. So, she was uh
very deserving of that. I don't have a picture for her yet, but maybe in the afternoon break I'll have it. But I wanted to take a picture. I was uh speaking at the uh uh the Arapa Elks over in Hudson invited me to talk yesterday for the Veterans Day celebration. And I really wasn't sure how deep I was going to go, what I was
going to get into to talk. And when I walk in there, the first thing I see is all the landscaping grant that they used for out in front really dressed up the place fantastic. I mean the place looks great. It looks absolutely beautiful for an old industrial air etc. Just like
makes it pop. So I walk in there and don't I see the gentleman who's the driver for the steps to recovery veterans program. >> So I see him there. We talk for a minute. He goes following me around. I say I am. So, in we go. And little did I know he's got like 20 to 30 of of those
veterans sitting in tables in the banquet room. >> The Arabica Elks is feeding them and honoring them on Veterans Day. >> A that's >> it was absolutely an awesome thing. It was so good for me to be able to talk about all the stuff we've done for veterans going through it. I got a picture of it and I'll hopefully have it
for the afternoon part. I didn't have the I didn't take the picture. I was trying to get them before. I tell you what a great celebration ever Alex did and after talking with them and I've talked to Kathy about this but we had a uh the steps uh the um Sun Coast recovery center is right down the street
uh one of their persons from steps recovery was there and we may set a partnership with steps to recovery where they can do more treatment because there's only so much you can do it with with steps right now but the treatment facilities there they like the bond and plus as >> there's one up in Arapa not the one on
>> well so well the sun coast recovery center is it right at um just above New York Avenue below Denton. >> So it's right on US 19. So they're renovating now. They they spent about a one about about a million dollars renovating. They want to do another phase where actually do some housing. So
for these veterans that can't get into steps to recovery because there's enough room as Marilyn says. There's still more homeless vets out there. They're going to be able to take some of them people in and give them treatment and then the people down at the steps to recovery will be able to get more treatment as well up in this facility. So, I think
it's going to be a great partnership coming up, but it was just exciting to see everybody getting together. >> Nice. >> And that's all I got. Thank you. >> All right. So, we'll we'll break for lunch and then we'll continue with the rest um when we come back. Thank you. I gian Part: 2
to the afternoon session of the board of county commissioners meeting for whatever date it is today, November something. Um, please silence your phones if you have not done so. And we're going to start >> with P.
>> Did I get the right one? >> Yeah. Madame Chairman and members of the board, we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter on August the 6th, 2025, Tampa Bay Times for the for this meeting.
>> Okay. PTO's plank development econom economic growth. Item P-57 is an ordinance uh by the Paso County Bord County Commissioners to amend the land development code to update our tree uh preservation and replacement uh
standards. This item is being requested for a continuence to the February 17, 2026 board of county commissioners meeting in Newport Richie at 1:30 p.m. This is a continuence of the adoption hearing all the way out to February 17. The item will be heard at the upcoming
November 20 LPA meeting, corporal planning agency meeting. >> Okay. So, this isn't an extension from when we talked last time. You're not pushing it out further. >> No, this is a continuence of the adoption hearing itself. So, we'll have the November 20 LPA meeting. Then there
will be a subsequent uh presentation to the board of county commissioners where no action is taken. And then February 17 is the adoption. >> Okay. So, we're I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding. Are we going to hear anything more in December or why do we have to wait so long?
>> I just want to get this done as quick as >> it's got to get through planning commission. Your first hearing. This is the adoption hearing. >> Second, the first BCC hearing is going to be January 6. >> Okay, that's what I want to hear. Okay. So, you don't need a motion, right?
>> Yes. It's time s. >> All in favor? I I >> All right. Thank you. P58. >> We approve the publication in the Tampa Bay Times uh July 23rd, 2025 supplemented by affidavit to certify
mailings of PI site postings for the September 3rd uh board of county commissioners meeting where it was continued to today. This item is an ordinance amending the pass county comprehensive plan for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment
uh to the future land use map from AGR agricultural rule to res one residential one dwelling for gross acre in the northeast rural uh pas county rule protection area. This item is being requested for continuence of the January 6, 2026 board of county commissioners
meeting at 1:30 p.m. in date city. >> Move to continue time. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> 59. >> We approve publication in the Tampa Bay Times September 3rd, 2025 for the October 21st, 2025 board meeting where
it was continued to today. Item P59 is PD260002. This is an ordinance by the Pas County Board of County Commissioners amending the Paso County Land Development Code section 522.9 connected city master plan unit development district. Section 901,
infrastructure standards. Section 901.1, transportation corridor spacing. Section 901.6, street design and dedication requirements. Section 901.7, bicycle facilities. Section 901.8, pedestrian facilities. Appendix A definitions and other sections as necessary for internal
consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability, inclusion into land development code, and an effective date. This comes this is uh the first presentation or reading of the proposed ordinance. No action is required. The board of county commissioners request to accept public
comment and we have a presentation if so desired. >> Okay. Does anyone uh need a presentation? Okay. Um let me see if there's any public comment on this. >> We have no one online. >> Sign up.
>> All right. Okay. And I this passed unanimously out of the planning commission, right? I listened to the meeting. >> Um All right. Did anyone want to I guess no action taken. Is that what I heard you say? >> No, this isn't this is except public
comment. Yeah. But yeah, and no action taken. It's the first of two public hearings. >> I know Rebecca, you worked very hard on this one. Do you want to give a presentation or are we good to go? I'm ready to give a presentation today. That's maybe like 10 minutes.
>> Okay. >> Or this will show what the new pedestrian standards are going to look like along collectors and arterial roads. >> Okay. Let's get let's have the presentation. Okay. >> Rebecca Bow, Planning Development Economic Group.
>> Yeah. >> All right. So, the intent of this ordinance upstate is to make some updates for internal consistency. Um, we're also allowing friction course as a roadway material. We're consolidating sections 901.7 and 901.8
into a comprehensive section titled bicycle and pedestrian facilities. We're also including in that rewrite some enhanced standards for site location and connectivity. And the overall goal here is to strengthen the county's position to
require land development projects to build segments of our overall multimotal network. We did take this to the planning commission on 918 and on 1016. At the 9:18 hearing, there was a lot of discussion about our previous version of
this rewrite where we were asking for these trails to be built on the south or east side. There was concern that this particular piece was rigid and may cause issues with aligning with existing facilities. So, we revised it to require 10-ft
trails or multi-use pave trails on both sides of arterial and collector roads. and we hope that this will create a symmetrical network, support updates to future typical sections as well as simplify administration. There was also concerns at the 918 LPA
meeting regarding whether or not we should be requiring these facilities in rural areas. Um, in response to that, we went back and explicitly exempted um these requirements in future land use categories AG, AGR, and RES one.
Um, can I stop you there for a second? I don't know if you saw the 2-year-old that was killed. Um, because they were walking out here somewhere and there's no no sidewalk. No, no, no place for
that father to walk with his 2-year-old safely. >> It's behind public in the community and there are sidewalks in there. Oh, so so he was he chose not to be on the sidewalk. >> Okay. All right. Go ahead. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> All right. So, we also brought this to
the 1016 planning commission. Um, and at that meeting, there was discussion about the requirements to uh mark shoulders as uh bicycle facilities. Ultimately, we there was a motion made to remove that language.
All right. Oops. Okay. Okay. So, um the summary of our overall changes here is our current 901.7 is applicable for res 3 future land use or
higher and it's on subdivision collector roads. They're required to provide either a bike lane or a 12oot multi-use path. Section 901.8 8 pedestrian facilities is also applicable. The res 3 future land use or higher on all street types except for alleys. Um and the
requirements there are for either a 5-ft sidewalk on collected or arterial streets or a 4ft sidewalk on all other streets. What we're proposing by combining the two is a land development code that's applicable to all sites except in the agricultural agricultural
rural and residential one future land use categories. And the requirements would vary by street type. So, on arterials and collectors, um, there there' be required to provide a 10-ft paved multi-use trail on both sides. On residential subdivisions, we're asking for a 5ft sidewalk on one side, an 8
foot multi-use paved trail on the other side. And on our residential roads, we're looking for five foot sidewalks on both sides. We're also adding connections um or standards for on-site circulation and connectivity standards. So this would require land development projects to
connect all their buildings connect to the external bike ped network and in parking lots with 100 spaces or more they're required to provide sidewalks from the parking lot to the principal building. Uh we're also adding a payment in lie of construction option. This option would
be available where there's already a facility programmed in the capital improvement program um or where it would otherwise not be feasible to build a facility by the site. We're also adding a definition um for paved multi-use trail.
This is our overall vision, what we hope this land development code will ultimately create. And as mentioned, this is the first public hearing with adoption set for December 9th. >> U any questions?
>> Question. Did this go before the uh TBE builders association? >> We did have communications with them. Yes, via email. >> I think you need to have a meeting with him. >> We didn't have like a meeting. No, >> you had a Was it a phone call or a Zoom
meeting? >> It was an email communication and of course we took it to our ordinance development team in the horizontal round table. >> Okay. So, they had presence there. >> Yes. >> All right. And did they have a problem with it? They did provide some comments
like minor adjustments to the um corridor spacing language which we need some tweaks to. Their biggest concern was our requirement for boardwalks over wetlands. Um we're asking for those boardwalks to be constructed of concrete materials. >> Yeah. Because the other ones don't last
then the neighborhood has a massive repair building. >> Um I have a question. Uh, does this take care of issues like um some of the new developments that were built say along 52 that did a not put a sidewalk across
the front of their property? >> Yes, this would require all applications post adoption to build a 10-ft facility. >> Okay. Because that's I don't I don't know how we're going to fix that, but we have some issues that we're going to have to go back in and fix.
Okay. Uh, is there anyone in the public that wishes to address this ordinance? >> Okay, thank you very much. >> Okay, thank you. >> Long time coming. >> All right, next one is >> P60. >> P60.
>> We approve publication temp. >> We approve publication temp. Bay times October 5th, 2025. Item P60 is PD260022. This is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code
section 1302.2 mobility fees to clarify that the 2025 mobility fee schedules do not expire on December 31, 2025, and amending other sections as necessary for internal consistency, providing for applicability repealer, providing for severability, inclusion into land
development code, and an effective date. This also is the first uh presentation of the ordinance to the board of county commissioners. No action is required but we ask to accept public comment and there's a presentation if desired. Um board members, do you have any
questions? >> Okay. Is there anyone in the public that wishes to address this? Okay, seeing no one, we will move on. Anyone online? >> No one online. >> I think it's a no action. >> No action.
>> P61. >> P61. We have publication temp time September 3rd, 2025. >> P61 is PD 26001. This is an ordinance by the Paso County Board of County Commissioners amending
the Pasco County Land Development Code creating section 530.25 backyard chickens and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion into the land development code and an effective date. Uh this comes to you
with the recommendation to adopt the proposed ordinance amendment by roll call vote and to accept public comment. We have a presentation if so desired. Well, I think we heard the presentation already, but um >> Yeah. >> So, I think we're good.
>> What? 14 years coming or 15 years for this town? >> Yeah. >> Is there anyone in the public that wishes to address our chicken ordinance? >> Question. Terry, >> did you take I just want to be clear
that your team took the bureaucracy out of having chickens. Correct. >> Yeah. We'll let uh >> I mean chicken should be fun and somewhat easy to have and >> yes >> the original way made it cumbersome and seemingly not very fun. >> Afternoon commissioners Amanda Hill
Planet Development Economic Growth. Uh the previous recommendation by the board to remove the permit requirement has been removed. >> Thank you. >> Okay. All right. So let's take a roll call vote. I need a motion first. Move >> approvement. >> Oh, I did. I asked if anyone want to
speak about chickens online. >> No one's online. Okay, I take a motion. >> Second. >> I'm glad no one. >> Roll call vote. No one's No one's here to talk about my chickens. >> District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi.
>> District two, Commissioner Wegman. >> Hi. >> District four, Commissioner Jerger. >> Hi. >> District five, Commissioner Mariano. >> Hi. >> District three, Chairman Stury. >> Uh, hallelujah. I fine. >> You going? >> Chickens are in. Okay. P62.
>> P62. Proof of publication again September 3rd, 2025 in the Tampa Bay Time. >> No. Did I skip one? >> Yeah. >> P61. Sorry, I already flipped my paper. >> 61 was back there chicken. >> Oh, that was another one. 62. >> Uh, wait a minute.
>> Related to 62. >> Okay. P62 also chickens. >> Item P62 is PD260028. This is an ordinance by the Paso County Board of County Commissioners amending the Paso County Code of Ordinances
amending section 14-27 definitions creating section 14-150 conditions for the keeping of chickens. Section 14-151 coups and enclosures section 14-152 health sanitation and nuisance. Section 14-153
education and other sections is necessary for consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion of the court of ordinances and an effective date. This comes to you with recommendation to adopt the proposed ordinance by roll call vote and accept public comment and
we have a presentation. >> Chair y >> Terry back to our previous conversation. Um don't really want to have code bogged down any more than they already are. So, did we we make it
um less cumbersome for the coups and everything associated with it like we discussed the last meeting? >> I can provide a presentation of the provisions for this. >> Let's do that. Okay. >> Okay.
>> High level not you know. >> Okay. So the intent of this ordinance is to provide standards related to the keeping of chickens for residential properties as now allowed by section 530.25 of the LDC. This is a summary of those provisions.
Um the amendment proposes the creation of a new article 3 in chapter 14 animals. Section 14-150 specifies that the property owner is allowed up to four hens, no roosters, and requires a property to be occupied and not used as a vacation rental.
Section 14-151 provides additional details on the coups, including the maximum size and height, space per bird, and specifying the location to be restricted to the side or rear yards. The coups are required to be accessible for cleaning
and maintained accordingly so as not cause a nuisance. Section 14-152 speaks further to the requirement for nuisance control and provides procedures for disease management and disposal of birds. And finally, section 14-153
requires the completion of the UFIAS course, the ability for code compliance to conduct monitoring compliance as necessary, and the requirement. >> Let's let's pause there. >> Yeah, I thought we took that out. >> Well, that the the course
was supposed to be >> the permit requirement was removed >> and the course >> the course was supposed to be removed also. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm okay with that. The actual code language >> how to take care of chickens.
>> So I'm going to read directly from the actual red line as to what the language states right now. So prior to obtaining chickens, the property owner must enroll in and complete a certification course offered by UFIS of Pasco County. The property owner shall allow access to the
premises by code compliance officials for the purposes of monitoring compliance with the requirements of this chapter. Failure to allow for inspection upon request with reasonable notice shall be addressed by any of the methods available in section 108 of this code and article 5 division 4 of the Paser
County code of ordinances. That's the language in terms of monitoring and compliance. >> Yeah, you were right. You were taking the course out, the permit and the course. >> Yeah. What's what's the it's the section 14-153 that we were thinking might have
been overkill. >> So, that section had both the course and the permit requirements and we removed the permit requirements. I have details on the course here in terms of what it includes. It's at the board's question if you would like staff to remove that
language as well regarding the course. But we thought that it was important to include that so that persons who are firsttime chicken owners that they have the necessary education to take care of the chickens because they're not similar to pets. They have specific needs and to ensure that they are in compliance
issues caused due to how the chickens are kept. >> Yeah, >> I understand you as staff think it's important to include that. We as a board last meeting specifically in the majority said remove it. >> It couldn't have been any clearer.
>> Yeah. >> And I'm I'm good to have the information available for the people, >> but taking the course just looks like an extra expense for to slow down. I'm okay with the monitoring as well. >> Yeah. >> Because I think you need to just in case you have someone who's going rogue or maintaining it and you got rats and snakes or whatever.
>> So I'm okay with the monitoring part, but just just that education part. >> Okay. You can make it available which I think I should do but >> but not a requirement. >> That would be it. >> Commissioner, >> can we can we say it is suggested that participants >> but not
>> I think we include that on the website orational type of thing. I don't think >> Yeah. >> I mean obviously if they didn't have a course then other counties don't require that. Great. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay. Move on. >> Did you need me to pro provide details on the course itself? >> No. >> No, we don't need the ordinance. >> We don't want it. >> So, this is just a comparison by jurisdiction that we did looking at some of our neighbors and what they currently
have. Most of the communities do not have a permit requirement. uh city of Brandon and uh let's see, Hernando County, I believe, were the only two jurisdictions that required a permit. Uh were middle of the pack in terms of the number of birds and not having any
roosters allowed. And in terms of the square footage uh of the coupe and the minimum size per bird, we're also middle of the pack there. Uh most of these ordinances were adopted between 2011 and as early as 2025. Um, I have a question. What the heck is
a pullet? >> Little chicken. >> A what? >> Little chicken. >> A little chicken. >> Young young young chicken. >> A chick? >> No. >> No. Bigger than a chick. >> It's like a >> Never heard of it. >> Kind of like a sort of a teenager. >> A teenage chicken.
>> Sort of. >> There you go. >> Oh my gosh. >> Tweet. >> Okay. >> It's not yet laid. >> Tweeny. Okay. >> And I'm available for any questions that
you may have. Um, this comes to the board. >> This comes to the board with a recommendation for approval and we would make the changes to remove the educational requirement. >> Okay. All right. Um, we've made our comments unless you have some more. Is there anyone here that
wishes to address the chickens and pullets ordinate? Did I say it right? >> Yeah. >> Actually, it's hens and pullets. Um, do we have anyone online who wishes to address this? >> No one online. >> Madam Chairman, in addition to the
motion that's found in your package, can we also get you to wave introduction of this ordinance? >> Okay, I will accept that in the motion. >> So move second. >> Yeah. That we need to modify the motion to change the language to the county
administrators shaking his head. So we need to amend the motion to the IUS language to >> Yeah. >> motion made that the county attorney set with a noted changes on no education. >> All right. >> And I second. >> Okay. Um and this is a roll call vote.
>> District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> I. >> District two, Commissioner Wel. >> Hi. >> District four, Commissioner Jerger. >> Hi. >> District five, Commissioner Mariano. >> Hi. >> District three, Chairman Stark. >> Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much for all your work on the chickens. P63.
>> P63. We have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the September 17th, 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times. >> Good afternoon, Commissioners. Denise Hernandez, Code Compliance Department. Uh today is the adoption hearing on this
item. This item was uh there was a full presentation on October 21st of this item. This item was presented to the local planning agency who found um the ordinance consistent with the Pasco County comprehensive plan and it was also presented to the horizontal round
table interested parties meeting on September 17, 2025. So today I ask that you adopt by roll call vote. It's an ordinance by the Pasco County except public comment of course and then adopt by roll call vote hopefully. Um, an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco
County Land Development Code section 530.5 parking or storing of recreational vehicles. Section 530.16 parking and storage of commercial vehicles and commercial equipment in certain certain residential areas prohibited and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability
repealer providing for severability inclusion into inclusion into the land development code and effective date. again ask that you adopt um accept public comment adopt by roll call vote and I'm here for any questions that you may have >> chair. >> Yeah.
>> So, uh Commissioner Jagger brought this up when we discussed this last time and started looking further into it and spoke with the county administrator about this yesterday. The employee the employer employee markets have changed and commercial
commercial vehicles are smaller. Some people use them as regular family cars. You see them in lines when kids take them to schools. They're just not wrapped with, you know, mics they see on there. They just be plain clothes, right? And for employers that allow some
of their employees to take their work vans or utility vehicle, it's not an oversized vehicle home. The reasons for that is their van may be loaded for that week or that project for first three four days of the week and
they can go from home to the job site and come back which it takes less traffic going to and from their jobs their day, you know, where their office is for commute and what have you. >> So I'm torn with this because because that's just the nature of the market. So >> I don't think that's what this is addressing.
>> No, it doesn't allow them to park it at their home because they're more commercial. That's not what we're addressing. Um it that that is already not allowed by the regular ordinance. All this is clarifying is that they can't be parked in the in the county rideofway and they can't be parked in
MPU. The the remainder of the ordinance doesn't doesn't change. >> So for >> So are we going to bring up potentially amending that down the line? >> I don't know. What's going on on this and and here in Starky Ranch and other
developments that have on street parking >> on on main roads is people are bringing their boats, their four-wheel what are those trucks that they have the cabin >> semi-tractor trailers >> semi-tractor trailers their RVs and they
are parking them along Starky. >> Yeah. They're using on street parking spaces that are supposed to be for people who live there to park their number one. That's why we're modifying 530.5. Again, this was a code compliance issue uh for recreational vehicles. So that basically what people are bringing
is their boat trailers, just putting the boat trailer in an on on street parking space. Uh they're putting the boats and the port boat trailers. They're also doing as uh commissioner uh commissioner um Starky stated, that's why we're modifying 530.16. They're also bringing
their semi-tractor trailers, their tow trucks, etc. And they're parking them in on street parking spaces that are dedicated for just regular >> passenger vehicles to to park there, residents to park there. and the resident's guest in front of our
blueberry farm which is converting to residential community. We have on street parking that um our family donated to make the so that there will be parking spaces that will be um counted in for the apartments that will go there one
day. And we have had for a couple months now three people park in their work trailers there. You know the kind you pull by the truck like a lawn mower company or whatever. and they've been they've let they've been leaving for months. That's what this is addressing. >> I think that that happens in Avalon
Park. It's been a consistent issue. But >> okay, that yours is another >> maybe. All right. >> Well, now what I was going to ask Denise, but what the commissioner is referring to is also covered in this portion of the ordinance. And so if the board wants to take that up. >> Okay. So I'm not separate all the way
crazy then. >> No, you're not. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Because I have a note here, too. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Yeah. I just wanted to make it clear that we're not really modifying not parking commercial vehicles and residential because that's already it's already in the code. See, the only thing that's being modified here is what's
included in un bold red underline. >> Okay. >> So, everything else is regular code. >> But back to since this since this code is up. >> Mhm. If the board's willing, I'm open to to readressing
uh the people's work vehicles if you know they could be used also as a family van essentially if they're similar that they should be able to park them at at their house and not be sided. >> So, Commissioner, I think that might be a little simpler which is perhaps we can
work on modifying the definition of a commercial vehicle. >> Okay. >> And that would handle that. >> Thank you. Yeah, >> if that makes sense. >> Nice fix. >> Do that and bring it back. Yeah, >> but let's keep moving with this because we got to deal with this issue and right now we can't do anything. The sheriff
can't do anything. The communities can't do anything. We can't do anything. Yeah. All right. Um, so is there anyone here in the public that wishes to speak to this issue?
Okay. Um, Denise, I have a question for you because, um, you know, we've been working with the Starky Ranch CDD. Um, how does it, and this might be a David Goldstein question, I don't know. How does it work with the CDDs when, um, I'm trying to understand who owns the park?
Who's in charge of the parking spaces? Who is the one who's going to call for ticketing or towing? Is it the county? Is it the CDD district? How does that work? Um, is it Can we check to see if Sam
Bounty is on this call? If not, I'm going to try to address that to the best of my ability. Is Is he on WebEx? Not >> see if he's paying attention. >> No problem. So, okay. No problem. So, I will try to address that. So, my
understanding um and I think we have to still have one last meeting with start with uh Starky Ranch. So my understanding is that the CDD is going to work on placing signs. Yeah. >> And that the actual enforcement of it is
going to occur through the sheriff's office. >> Okay. >> That is the last that I had heard on the matter and that is roughly a week and a half ago when I when I tal talked about that. >> Okay. Okay. And I think we're going to do a little um period of information
first to let everyone know, okay, you're not allowed to do this. And there'll be a little grace period and then people are going to have to do the right thing and >> that the enforcement is going to happen through the sheriff's office. >> Okay. Great. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, no one's here to speak to
anything. Anyone online? >> No, we have no one. >> Okay. This is >> approval. Second. >> Uh roll call vote. District 1, Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi. >> District two, Commissioner Wake. >> Hi. >> District uh four, Commissioner Jagger. >> Hi.
>> District five, Commissioner Mariana. >> Hi. >> District three, Chairman Starky. >> Hi. All right. Thank you. Community will be very happy. >> And thank you, Denise, for looking in that. >> Thank you. >> All right. P64.
>> We have Amy Ferrell, budget director with Pasco County's Office of Management and Budget. I'm here with item P64 or B26. >> Hang on. Hang on one second. Amy, >> proof of publication. Personally, we have proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times October 22nd, 2025 at the
hearing of this matter at this time. >> Okay. All right. All right. Amy Frell, budget director with Pasco County's Office of Management and Budget. I'm here with item P64 or OMB260003, which is an ordinance to establish a law enforcement municipal service taxing
unit. Um, so there's a couple statutes that allows the board to establish a municipal service taxing unit. Those are up there on the slides. The first step is um for the board to adopt an ordinance that would establish it. If the cities were to participate, one way
that they would do that is by after our ordinance gets adopted by the board, they would have to adopt one of their own. So what this ordinance provides, it establishes the MSTU for law enforcement for the unincorporated areas of Pasco
County. It will define the powers, boundaries, and duties for law enforcement. Um, it provides a legal existence and status. Allows the levying of advalorum taxes to provide funding, but this is not the actual process. We won't actually be talking about millage
rates here. This is just setting up the ordinance. And then we would follow the typical budget process and um the trim process. All right. So I pretty much just said this. So we so let's assume this gets adopted today. We would then come back
at our trim meeting in July to establish the maximum millage rate and that would you will remember require a unanimous vote by the board and then uh the the tax would be stood up for the fiscal
year 2027 budget. All right. So what do we need to do today? Accept public comment and then vote on the ordinance to provide for the MSDU by roll call. Wonderful. Any questions? >> Madam Chair. >> Yeah.
>> So, we looked at doing this years ago. Yeah. >> And as we talked about the the problem came in when >> uh really one gentleman made a comment. You're going to put the burden of law enforcement on the We've got July 14th is the date you for your next step. I
know you're working with the cities right now, but I I don't want to support this until you've got the agreements in place. Um, you know, we help with parades, we help with certain things that they need help on. Um, you can structure it where it's population based
as far as how you tax like gas tax. We don't break out for every little gas station where they are. We just base it upon everybody equally sharing getting the share where they can allocate how they want to spend their money. So that's like equity for everybody at that point. So I want to see that done
because uh to me I don't want to put that shift on unincorporated citizens the way this is going to be shifted now. >> Uh question on that. Go ahead commissioner. >> Well I'll go after you. >> So you got cities you're talking about
they're not paying but yet they have their own police force. >> Exactly. >> So they are paying toward their own police force within the city. >> Yeah. just >> Yes, >> we're still helping like Pasco County Sheriff's Office is still going into the cities and helping them. >> Then there should probably be some kind
of fee that they have to pay >> for extra help from the county >> and maybe that fee looks is different than the MSTU. Maybe we just say we're not coming into your city unless you're helping pay and let's figure out what that is.
>> Yep. >> And remember those cities are little. >> You need 50 grand. >> Yeah. It's an all farm price. I mean, >> hey, if we have no property tax, do you want the sheriff to come to your house? How we going to have fun? I don't know.
So, if I may, Madam Chair, I I have been in contact with with the city managers and have had this discussion and I know uh Chase and Sheriff's uh sheriff's office are are kind of piecing together what those actual costs look like in terms of serving the citizens, whether
it's through SWAT, detective service, or or even parades. And so, um I' I've gotten, you know, commitment that we're going to work together towards something equitable. Understand Commissioner Mariano July is is is not too far away. It's far enough away but it's not far
away. And so we will endeavor to work on interlocal agreements or whatever the necessary mechanisms are to ensure equity for the citizens of Pasco County when it comes to providing law enforcement services. Noting that yes, some do have police services, but that the sheriff also, you know, is is the,
you know, the big law enforcement uh agency here for for the county. Provides a lot of service and backup to to police. I know Chase is here in case you know if you wanted to hear from the sheriff's office, but I I think we've, you know, we'll we'll work to endeavor to what the board's wishes. >> Yeah, I think we work really well with
our cities. >> I I would love to hear how I I honestly would love everybody to hear how the sheriff's office helps other cities. That's okay. Good afternoon, Chase Daniels, uh, under sheriff community outreach operations, Pasco Sheriff's Office. Um, thank you very much, Commissioner, and and as the
administrator noted, uh, we have been working very, very, uh, closely with this. I thank Amy and her team as well for, uh, for including us. Um, as it stands today, we are fully in support of of this MSTU in this language. um to speak specifically to h how it works with the cities. Um so yes uh you you
all are are absolutely correct that we do help the cities. So for instance um most of the cities do not have the ability to investigate um major crimes things like homicides. They do not have their own forensics units and things like that. So that is a resource that we we provide to them. Also when it comes to large events for instance the
Christmas parades that are coming up uh we provide security and assistance with those types of large events as well. Um so what we are working on uh so the sheriff has a quarterly meeting with the chiefs of police. So as part of that meeting we will be informing them moving forward that this could be an option uh or and something they need to talk about
with their city managers or city councils. Uh we are also starting to build payroll codes. So for instance if we have someone that is on uh someone who our forensics unit who has to go out to one of these scenes to assist the cities we are going to start capturing exactly how much time we spend assisting
the cities. um whether it be like I said forensics through one of those um one of those big events or th those major events like the Christmas parses. We're going to start capturing all all those things and essentially telling the cities you hey if you do not come on to the MSTU this is going to be a build service to you or you can you know take
it upon yourself if you wish to create a forensics unit or or something like that but essentially if a city does not come along those are the options that that we're planning to give them right now. >> Excellent. >> Yeah. So the unincorporated taxpayer is really carrying the weight of
a pile of additional services. Y >> Madam Chairman, if if I can ask Chase a question. So the cities that you currently are providing 100% service for because they don't have a police force. You have a con I'm assuming you have a
contract with them and they fund that operation in that manner. Correct. >> Yes sir. That that that's correct. So for instance uh that is San Antonio and St. Leo. They enter into a contract with us and then we provide those law enforcement services in lie of the in le of the cities. But those are paid uh for
the for the total cost of the deputy >> and so they and so they b they are levying a millillage on their residence for your service and collecting it that collecting it in that manner. >> Yeah. However it goes with with the contract we we just know they they pay
us the contract. However, they they raise that revenue to pay that contract. >> And so that would be an option for the other cities as well. If if they wanted to contract with you for SWAT services, for forensic services, that would be another
pulling them into the MSTU. They they could provide a funding source for that contract >> as well contractually if if that was something that they want to pursue. Absolutely. Or again, you know, we could just give them the the real cost of services or they could they could do it on their own. Uh the one thing I I should note uh in like I said in
discussion with the minister of carbala if there is some type of life safety thing for instance that there is is if there's an active shooter um you know god forbid in in zephr hills or something we will obviously make sure to provide those types of resources. We're not going to let anyone be be in danger o over this but it's kind of more of those ancillary things that that happen
after the fact that that we will um you know be be billing them for or raise that fee for. >> Madam chair. >> Yeah I'm good with that. Part of the thing with like if you're going to do utility charges, right, you've got to have the certain pipes in the ground, the treatment in place, the staffing
involved to be able to run utility. Whether someone use a drop of water, there's a fixed cost that's there. When you're going to set up for a forensic unit, we're going to set up for a SWAT team, other other instances where you may need nine deputies on a vehicle for
a school thing that's in front of a school that's in a city that you're going to jump on. You're not going to be able to account for all that. And part of the reason I said just like we do with the gas tax structure so it's b population based everybody shares whatever the costs are to run the whole operation for the year just like in a
budget. That's what should be factored in the MST for every year every year every time every time a city is is in there as well. You can't just go all right we're going to tell you forensics here we're going to pay for the squad over here because it's not going to break out. You need those people in place. You need the training in place.
So again, the reason this thing died last time was because of the burden falling to the county and I just have the big fear and until I see this work out, I'm not going to support it. I want to see all the agreements in place. I'm good with Hang on. I'm good with San Antonio and St. Le the way set up
because that's a different scenario. But you still got to factor those other things in, too. >> Whether they're going to use SWAT or not, that's got to be factored in your fixed costs. So, I think these things need to be structured and I want to see ahead of time before I'm going to shift the burden or it could fall heavier on the county citizens that aren't
incorporated. >> Commissioner Mariana, we could go ahead and set up the MSTU, but we don't have to fund it uh with anything until those deals are worked out. The sheriff's in support of this. I think we should move forward, but I I hear what you're saying and I think there's plenty of time to
work that that >> I'm not comfortable with it. I'm not going to support it because we've had all this time to look at it, all this time to talk about it. I don't think a quarterly meeting now we're going to talk about it enough. This is going to be a big enough of an issue that it's going to come forward. This stuff need to be worked out ahead of time before
the next steps taken. >> And Commissioner Marion, I have spoken with the city managers and I would say over the course of the next three months, they recognize it's it's it's important to get this ironed out by the February March timeline as we're establishing budgets. So, um, we will we
will certainly do our part to work with the cities. I think you've got some you've outlined some great ideas. The base charge variable cost sort of model, you know, makes makes sense and resonates, but we'll we'll bring that. We we will certainly we understand that we need to bring something back. >> And I'm going to say this is not a thing that has to happen today. It's not
something that has to happen this year even. But I think the details are more important to make sure it's laid out that everybody knows what's going to happen, how it's going to happen, where the costs going to come. And if that takes more accounting, more time, etc., So be it. But I want to see it placed before that burden ever shifts to the
the unincorporated county citizens. >> Okay. Um, is there anyone here in the public that wishes to speak to this item? Is there anybody online? >> No one on. >> Okay. Well, I will entertain a motion. >> Madam Chairman, before you entertain a
motion, um if the board is wishing to move forward with this, again, I would ask the board to add add to the motion. Um the uh waiver of introduction of this ordinance.
Um and the final ordinance the underlining uh which appears in section one uh should be deleted. >> I think it I think it's a leftover from
when drafts were going back and forth, but there's there's underlining in your final version that shouldn't be there. >> Well, thank you for pointing that out. I will accept what he said in the motion. Yeah, I'll make a motion that we accept what the county attorney just stated and
that part of the motion. >> Second. >> Okay. Any more discussion? All right. Roll call vote. >> District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> I. >> District two, Commissioner Wakeman. >> I. >> District four, Commissioner Jagger. >> Hi.
>> District five, Commissioner Mariano. >> Nay. >> District four, Chairman. Three. >> I a three. I'm three. >> Three. >> Three. But we heard you, Jackie. It's important to get those word. >> All right. Um, P65.
>> Yes, ma'am. Let me catch up there. Uh, P65, we have approved publication October 22nd, 2025, Tampa Bay Times for this hearing at this time. >> Morning, commissioners. Ryan Gwyn, fire chief. FR26-10004
is an ordinance by the county board of county commissioners amending and restating ordinances 79-28 and 01-012 pertaining to the Pasco County municipal fire service taxing unit by providing for additional municipal services to be funded providing for a repealer providing for severability and providing
for including into the county code of ordinances and providing for an effective date. Um essentially the ordinance is to amend the restated ordinances 7928 and 0102 specifically expanding the municipal services so we can fund other uh uh
assets out of there including medical services and this is the only required public hearing. So we uh ask that you accept public comment and adapt the ordinance amending the fire tax district and by roll call.
>> Okay. Board members any questions? Commission >> question. So, similar to my line, and this is a lot different than when we're just looking at bringing a new thing in. We're already doing it for the fire. Now, we're doing it for the ambulance service. >> So, in doing so, it's probably a lot easier for you to set costs that are
coming up going forward, but still there's some fixed costs involved. We're looking for the cities to be involved in this as well. >> Yes, sir. We automatically we already charge for for EMS services. We charge all the citizens whether they're in the city or out. So, we recoup that money from them. the fire side. We do have the
we do have mutual aid agreements with the count with the cities, but there are other services that we do bill for our specific services much like the sheriff's office are uh hazardous materials responses, heavy rescue responses, things like that. >> That's why we're so grateful to your department chief.
>> They are fantastic. >> Proud to recognize them every year. >> They break records every month. So, we're super proud of them, too. >> Okay. Uh, anyone else wish to speak to this item here? >> Do we have anyone online?
>> No one online. >> Madam Chairman, again, I would ask that introduction be waved in in addition to the motion that's been um provided to you in your packet. >> With the county's attorney's information, second
>> roll call vote. >> District one, commissioner Oakland. >> Hi. >> District two, Commissioner Wakeman. >> Hi. District four, Commissioner Jagger. >> Hi. >> District five, Commissioner Mariano. >> Hi. >> District three, Commissioner Chairman Stark. >> Hi. >> P66.
We have proof of publication of this item in the July 9th, 16th, 23rd, and 30th of 2025 editions of the Tampa Bay Times for meeting on August the 5th,
2025, where it was continued to September 3rd, where it was continued to October 7th, where it was continued to today. Nectario Pitos Plank Development Economic Growth Department. Uh item P66
is PD 260000008. This is an ordinance amending pass county ordinance ordinance number 21-40 contracting the boundaries of Two Rivers North Community Development District pursuant to chapter 194 statutes providing for miscellaneous provisions providing for an effective date. And
this comes to you with the recommendation to adopt the ordinance by roll call vote. Go ahead. >> There's a presentation if you would like on a CDD. >> I don't know if we need that for a CDD. Anyone on it? No. Okay.
>> Uh let me see if there's anyone who wants to speak to this item. Anyone online? >> No one online. >> Okay. >> Um you've got somebody approaching. >> Oh, someone's approaching. Feel free to approach. Brian Lamb, authorized agent for the Two Rivers North Community Development
District. Um, available to answer any questions if you do have. >> Well, I I did have a question. >> So, you made the motion. >> Um, not well verssed on chickens, but we can >> No, no. Um, on on uh I think it's Laneir. We had some folks talking to us
this morning about Lenir, and I was trying to see it on my map. I know this. >> Um, are you connecting to Laneir? It looks like there's a little strip there. Um, >> as far as the the access for this uh
site that's being contracted, >> wait there, see Laneir >> and that goes to Gralie. >> Yeah, this this parcel will be connected off from the the main entrance in just prior to Laneir which is running pretty
much east west. >> I'm sorry, what did you say? the parcel that's being contracted from the district. Uh the hexed out section there. >> Oh, >> what? Commercial or something in the front? >> Correct. Yeah, that'll be a a commercial
parcel. >> Okay. But do you know if Lenir is connecting? The two leners are connecting. I mean, I think when we establish this development, they were supposed to connect. >> Yes. Notorious Pet economic growth
again. um lineer as it moves north from the Two Rivers development does connect into the old Laneir which goes um beyond. >> Okay. And what about Anata Drive and that other one?
>> See coming off of Sunflower Hill Drive. >> Yes. At Anata Drive is also >> there's another connection. Excellent. Okay. Thank you, >> Madam Chair. Hang on that for a minute. So, I'm trying to understand what we looked at earlier today from the comments, but so Two Rivers Boulevard heading to the north. Commercial section
is over here we're adding in. And that Laneir Road is is that the section of the road they were talking about with the residents today? >> Well, it's not it's not done yet. >> No, but but I mean is that the LER road that the people the res >> to the north because they're they're having to uh divert from
>> it would not be within the CDD boundaries. >> Okay. So, it's above from the CD boundary up, >> right? It's that lineer based on the information we've seen over the last hour or so. So, it's an old antiquated
plat that is labeled lineer, a grid pattern plat, which I'm assuming is north of the of the pink area there, but it would not be within the CBD boundaries. >> But that road needs to be improved and and taken over by the county. >> What is what So, what's driving the
traffic up there? What's going on State Road 15? >> There's a there's a a sinkhole. >> Okay. All right. I will say this. At one point we had a um a big issue on State Road 52. We directed people to go through Timber Oaks. When Timber Oaks came in for their assessment, we actually took care of the assessment
because we did a lot of damage to that road. So that may be something we can consider for air for the future. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. I I definitely asked them to look at Laneir. It should be not a It needs to be better quality road than what it is now. County needs to take the maintenance over. >> Okay. Um, all right. So, there's no one
here to speak to this. Back to the board. >> Motion on the table. >> Motion second. >> Okay. Is this a roll call? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh, roll call vote. >> District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi. >> District two, Commissioner Wakeman. Hi. >> District four, Commissioner Jerger.
>> Hi. >> District five, Commissioner Mariano. >> Hi. >> District three, Chairman. Sir, >> I. >> P67. I approve publication of the hearing of this matter in the July 23rd edition of
the Tampa Bay Time. Item P67 is PD 26140. This is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 in sheets 05 11
12 17 18 and 23 from AGR agricultural rural residential one dwelling unit per gross acre. Res 3 residential three dwelling units per gross acre. Res 6 residential six dwelling units per gross acre. Res 9 residential 9 dwelling units per gross acre. who has 12 residential
12 dwelling units per gross acre and RO retail office residential to con conservation lands on approximately 2,813 acres of real property located throughout Pasco County and providing for additional tax text amendments as necessary for internal consistency
providing for repeal servability and an effective date. This comes to you with a recommendation to adopt the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and ordinance by roll call vote. And there's a presentation if uh desired. >> I don't need presentation. We'll take a
land to come. Right. >> Marshall Waitman. Any questions on this one? >> Okay. Um is there anyone here in the public who wishes to speak to this item? >> Do we have anyone online? >> Do we have no one online at all? See no
one uh moved approval. >> Second. >> Roll call vote. >> District one, Commissioner Oakley. >> Hi. >> District two, Commissioner Wiggman. Hi. >> District four, Commissioner Jerger. >> Hi. >> District five, Commissioner Mariana. >> Hi. >> District three, Chairman Sir.
>> Hi. They got some code grass to take out of there. >> They will be very busy. Okay. All right. Um, we are to P60 >> seven eight >> eight.
>> All right. And then we go back to the R. >> Right. P68. Uh, we have proof publication October 29th, 2025 in the Tampa Bay Times supplemented by site postings. >> Good afternoon, commissioners. Do you
have resoning resoning items nor do you have any quasi judicial items? So that the two items don't need to be sworn in or we don't need to recce utilities engineering and contract management director. P68 is file number
UTD26-0098 for a resolution establishing a utility connection fee sir charge for the development of utility infrastructure along State Road 52 beginning at US 41 and ending at Interstate 75 establishing the rates for the search charge establishing the boundaries for the
search charge provided for applicability and an effective date commissioners we have been planning and and we're about to finalize the water waste water and reclaimed water master plans for pastoral county utilities. Uh our objective in uh considering future
improvements is to maintain adequate water quality flow and pressure throughout our system and to our customers. We do that by looking at and monitoring uh trends in population growth uh user demands uh the existing
condition of our utility infrastructure. We take all that into account when planning for future expansions to not just our wastewater and water plants, but also our water main and sewer uh transmission network. I'd like to focus on one item in terms of future demand, and that's uh employment centers.
This graphic shows within the county, the uh orange highlighted boxes, uh areas that are zoned as employment centers which derive which could derive an additional benefit to the county in terms of job uh creating jobs that will create additional economic growth for
the county. Uh our focus is uh from the comprehensive plan is to identify extensions that could serve future employment centers. Again, the the the opportunity there is there to increase the economic uh base of the county. You
can look at this graphic and see the dark blue lines are the existing extent of our water main network throughout the county. The light blue lines are the water main networks for other utilities such as cities and private utilities that are that operate within the county.
I'd like to focus on That one right there, that employment center, that's called the Central Pasco Employment Village, uh is essentially along State Road 52 from Aaron Cutoff to Bellamy Brothers Boulevard. You can see that there isn't any uh adequate water supply near that employment center. We
already have commitments for uh development in that area that would also benefit from extensions in that area. Our plan is to take advantage of an upcoming Florida DOT construction project. The DOT plans to widen State 52 from Aaron
Cutoff to Bellamy Brothers. They're going to start sometime next year. It would be great if we could start this water man enforcement extension project to coincide with the DOT construction project with the hopes of minimizing u disturbance to the traveling public in the future and also by saving costs
upfront if we are able to incorporate into the DOT project uh in today's dollars we'll be saving uh in the future in terms of the necessary water imperments needed for that quarter that shows you the extent of where the water main connection would have to uh occur.
occur. Essentially, we would have to bring water manes from US 41 up airing cutoff to 52 along 52 down old Pascal Road to create another loop that would uh increase flows and pressures in that area.
on the sewer side. Similar thing here is the uh central Pasco employment village and you can see that we don't als we also don't have uh adequate uh sewer uh network near that that employment village. Our plan is to again leverage
that DOT project to build uh the forcement along the 52 corridor with the road construction project. Uh that one will also require forcement extensions all the way to uh the Wesley Center wastewater plant project. This is a blow up of that corridor along
52. You have air and cut off on the west side. There's 52 all the way to I75 or Old Pasco Road and down Old Pasco Road. The plan is to build both water and sewer extensions on Aaron cut off 52 Old
Pasco Road to serve that employment village. But in the process of serving that employment village, there's a potential area, what we call a service area that has almost 16,000 equivalent residential units in that area. An equivalent residential unit is essentially one eru is the size of an a
typical average single family home that requires water and sewer service from the county. Uh with those water manes and force mans being planned for that area, we expect to serve uh around 16,000 uh erus in the area, some of which would be office and industrial,
which generate jobs uh for the county. The plan is to construct these improvements uh to coincide with a phase out that's over four phases over the next 10 years. Uh but starting uh now with the DOT construction project, those
four phases will cost somewhere around $62 million in today's dollars of which uh uh starting a couple of years ago, we budgeted uh $15 million for just water and sewer improvements along 52, but at that time we had not finished the master plans. We weren't sure the extent of how
far beyond that quarter we would need pipelines. Uh we now think that all those pipelines on Aaron 52 and old Pasco uh it's going to take about $62 million worth of improvements of which the county would fund a quarter of that upfront. U we have been working with a
group of private investors, a group of property owners that could fund another 40% of the the total cost and the remaining third would come in the form of a utility search charge fee assessed for each equivalent residential units. uh the county would fund that money up
front, but then we would re reimburse over time as those developments came online. With that, we're recommending you approve uh the resolution that could serve not just the service area that's highlighted in blue in the graphic, but potentially if there's sufficient capacity available toward the end of the
project, we may also be able to serve areas west of Aaron Cutoff in those pink highlighted areas. Uh we recommend you accept public comments and adopt the resolution. This is part of a companion item that will be heard next. >> Madam Chair. >> Yep.
>> Could you back to the slide with the finances? >> So the shortfall of $22 million is that expected to be collected at 100% out of this lower number out of this the other search charges coming up? >> Yes. Based on those assumptions. So,
what we're assuming is that 80% of the total entitled uh erus will actually be built there and we develop a a uh a fee based on that 80% buildout. By the way, Commissioner, we also looked at uh if there were any federal state grants available to fund that shortfall. We
cannot find any right now. Most of the grants are associated with water quality improvements, nutrient reduction, things like that. But for extensions, we could not find one right now. The other thing I I failed to mention is that the fees will be assessed and collected on
applications for connections to those uh mains. Within that service area, there are approximately 50 to 60 uh single family residentially zoned lots that would not be required to connect to the system. They are small enough there. The comprehensive plan doesn't require them
to connect to our system based on their density. What's the total number of dollars for the office and industrial uses? What's what do you expect that number to be? >> We're not going to uh assess a fee on the US office and industrial because one of the reasons is that it's going to
benefit the employment center in terms of providing that that water and sewer supply for the employment center. So all land uses except office and industrial will be assessed. >> Okay. So we we could be expected to carry on the on the other basis with the residential it could be 20 30 years before we got our money back from this
whole system. Correct. >> It could be depending on the buildout schedule for each development. >> All right. So knowing that I mean you say there's no grants available for the the lines that we're trying to get though we are trying to bring office in industrial and then looking at the jobs
that are needed from this nation that we saw earlier today. Um, I would like us to somehow be able to structure this where we can go after that number which would supplant some of this other monies rather than waiting 30 years to get it and but not not put us in to say we're
going to supplant the money so we can't go after the grants. But if there's something that's out there and again with all the things that are out there I mean we could put an AMS skills plant out there to help train uh other things could come out there between HVAC's etc. So, I want I want to make sure we don't
trap ourselves to be locked in the agreement where I can't go get that extra money. So, I don't know how we structure it, but just like we talked about the other day, I want to I don't want to be trapping us to the all four phases until I know that I've at least looked at what I can get for the let's
say for the even the final phase. >> Well, fortunately, we have budget or we will be proposing a budget that's a four or five year phase budget for the project. So, it's possible that in the out years we could uh eliminate those funds if we were to be able to secure some state or federal grant for it
without affecting our obligations to the joint funding agreement. So, and again to guarantee the joint funding agreement, I want to make sure we have the verbiage in there that says we can go get outside money if it's available. >> Chair. >> Yep. >> Understood. Commissioner,
>> can we go back to what about the 16,000 units additional units? Is that what you're saying? So approximately 15,000 units, they're probably those folks are probably on septic and well. >> No, sir. Most of those are uh vacant unimproved properties right now.
>> They're not. >> But if without this, they'll be on likely on septic and >> in a recharge >> within the blue area >> in a recharge area. What my point where I'm going with this is the wellfields in the recharge area. And if we're looking at as commerce
comes online and folks capture these properties, if there's utilities there, the septic to consumer conversion funds potentially because if we don't do this and they're all going to be on septic system, right? And it's going straight to Tampa Bay's drinking water supply.
>> Yeah. >> So, >> so your argument >> on top of already the folks that are on septic and well in the area. And your argument is basically it's a preemptive >> correct project. >> Correct. >> And that's you know 15,000 that's
>> you see some of the numbers that accept the sewer projects that are in the low thousands. You know this is >> well those 15,000 are future developments future lots to be improved. They don't account for any existing developments right now. Correct. So for
instance in that blue area there's somewhere just under 60 lots that are zoned single family residential. All other lots within there are zone some some other kind of zoning commercial agricultural industrial but those single family residential are not required to
connect even if they had a water man and sewer system along their property front because it's a low density. Now it could be done in terms of a septic to sewer program uh but they're very small areas that we would then incorporate as an individual sub project. >> Yeah. So it gives them an option to get
off maybe they abandon their their septic system and they stay on their well if their well's still good but at least it's an opportunity to get off get off their septic system. >> We can't make them >> attach. >> No, it doesn't require them to connect to it. They can voluntarily or the
county could fun. I thought if they were in a certain distance they had to. >> Yeah. Usually if you have a gravity main within a certain certain distance you can you are required to connect within a year but this type of people wouldn't >> all right because I'd like to get everyone >> Madam Chair.
>> Yeah. >> I mean you can't like try to imagine the Phillips family trying to connect to 52 and hooking up. >> Oh yeah. >> Three mile run. You cannot do that. No, but if they're someone in this area where we're coming down the street, >> well, I mean 52 is right in front of the Philips property, too. But, you know,
you wouldn't make them have to run a line that far. >> No. But and again and I'm trying to make sure that as this is structured that we do not prevent ourselves whether it be a septic sewer wind that they actually see the value to that or some other grant that's out there whatever it may be I
want to make sure we can still go after the the grant funds at the same time not slowing down what we're trying to do at least phase one two three >> but I mean the basic question is does this agreement prohibit us from pursuing any additional funds I don't see how a private agreement would
>> it does not us from doing that >> no it may not prevent us from doing it with them. But if I get a government agency saying, "Well, you've already got it funded. We're not going to give you the money." That's what I'm afraid of. I want to say that we have some type of clause in there that says we can go after the money and this agreement under acknowledges that. If not, we'll cover
it, but if we can go find funds, we're going to try to do it and our on our end. >> I think your your problem would be with the federal government, not necessarily with the parties, if I'm understanding you correctly. >> Probably. But the state could do the same thing. I mean, Swiftman, look how those agreements go. we get outside money from the feds, swift money cuts
takes their share and cuts it out. I don't want to have any of that happen. I want to just take a shot. Whatever may happen, maybe we put a big AM skills out there. Maybe Florida builds some big training facility or some AC company like Train wants to go build something for training. I don't want to prevent any of that being able to change to try
to get that money. But if you're going to put a clause in the agreement that says you can go after a grant, Miss Wolf Graham is cutting me off, so I will yield to the senior assistant county attorney.
>> I'm Jordan Wolf Graham, senior assistant county attorney. I think what you're trying to avoid is a supplanting issue and because the agreement does not we cannot tie the board's hands. So because you annually appropriate your budget,
the agreement will not interfere with your ability to remove that from your budget in order to avoid supplanting if grant funds become available later. Does that >> So if we put some type of clause like that in this contract, I'd feel a little more comfortable. But I want to make and if that's if that covers us without the
grants, that's great. But I I think we should at least make mention of it that we could look to other things. We want to be have that option without affecting other contributions that be coming in. Okay. And I spoke with Clark who represents most Yeah. Let me let him
speak for his >> commissioners Clark Hobby Hobby and Hobby uh PA 109 North Brush Street, Tampa, Florida. Uh the property owners group has no objection to that. Commissioner, um I certainly understand what staff is saying, which is they
would what they would likely do if you ever were to receive that kind of funding was they would adjust the calculations for the charges at the time, which I think they'll be required to do. But we have no objection if in your resolution you wanted to add a clause that said there's nothing to
prevent the county from later adjusting it based on grants that it receives. Let me ask this. Are we paying a full 50% or are we paying a little bit more than 50%. The way this comes out all the phases >> the for phases one through three the count you will be paying 50% of the
total cost for phases one through three. And then for phase four the county is fully funding phase four. >> Okay. So I want to be able to make sure until that fully funding that we're paying for at the end whatever that number is that we can get grant money all the way to that before I worry about splitting back with the other parties. I
want to be able to reach out as much as I can. If we collect more than what that other extra money is, then we can go back to it. But I don't want to be taken where we're fronting the end. I want to make sure we collect everything up to that bid before we start going back to
do a separation split. >> And you're you're wanting that done in the agreement. Th this item is for the resolution. And the resolution has some assumptions baked into it that we made to calculate the search charge. So if grant funding was received, that's what
Clark's referring to is we would have to go back and recalculate the search charge based on the the funding that was received. >> But if I'm doing the final phase where I'm covering the full cost and that money can be tied to that, there's no reason to go split back and recalculate
those other numbers. I'm paying more than 50% because I'm covering the last phase, right, >> of the overall project, >> right? So, I want to make sure that if I'm gonna get money, I'm gonna make sure I'm collecting all that money before we dip into recalculating the other monies.
>> Commissioner, I I think the point that Jordan's trying to make is when the county adopts this kind of resolution, it's based on mathematical assumptions. And if you get more money in there, they necessarily have to recalculate the the funds at that point.
There's I don't think there's anything wrong with putting in the resolution some kind of savings clause, which is what you're talking about. But to be clear that the property owners group portion of it, this is only on the county's funding. We wouldn't receive any of this funding in any event. So,
this is the county's money and if it wants to have language in its own uh resolution adopting this that has a savings clause that gives the county to readjust it based on grants, there's nothing wrong with that. >> All right. So, that based upon the 50/50 split, if I go outside source and I get
all my money from an outside source and I cover myself that way, you're not going to be looking at clawback 50. >> We don't we're it's very clear in the agreement we don't get any of that. All we're doing is getting reimbursed from the county on a specified 50%. And then
what we would have to do later if the grants occur is you might not need all of the searchcharge revenue to make the county whole because the way this is set up and just want everybody to know in the public >> the county is getting made completely whole on its investment here. The POG is
not. We're we're paying at the net amount, the property owners group is going to net pay for the majority of this unrecouped. >> So, but if the county recoups more money so that it doesn't have to use general revenue funds or whatever, we have no
objection to it. We have no right to that money under the agreement anyway. All you're doing is reimbursing us for up to 50% of what we spend designing, permitting, and constructing the project. Okay. >> All right. Thank you. All right. So, with my concerns, do I
need to do anything different with the resolution here or can we do do is that going to cover the next item? >> I think you'd want to cover that in the next item because that relates to the POG, not the the collection of the search charge. >> Very good. Thank you. >> Okay. Any other questions? Okay. Um, is
there anyone here in the public who wishes to speak to this item? >> Okay. Seeing no one, I'll take a motion. Thank you. Wait a second. If I may, Jordan, >> if I just understood the conversation correctly, wouldn't the commissioner
want to put it in the resolution, not the agreement? Because what what the representations have been is that the they can't claw it back based on the agreement.
the the res what the commissioner is asking for is that the that the sir charge would be readressed I think if we get we can get money >> it it would
it would already be have to be readressed because the assumptions would be would it change and it says it will be re-evaluated if the assumptions change I I I thought the I thought the concern was the POG having some right to any
offset cost we found for the grant money. Is that >> and Mr. Hobby represented that it's clear that they don't >> correct >> in the agreement. So I don't I don't my my concern is you just said address it in the next item. The next item would be
the agreement that >> and what I'm hearing is that the agreement doesn't need to be addressed. >> Technically it doesn't. But if the commissioner wants the the language about the grant to protect the county's interest and prevent the POG from
getting it, I can double down. >> I I I would like to see a protection whether it be one or the other. I'm just taking guidance from my expert uh to what's the best way to do it. Commissioners, there is a clause in the resolution that states that if the underlying assumptions change as to how
we calculated that connection fee, then the county can come back and amend the connection fee, reduce it, increase it based on changes to the underlying assumptions. It's based on what we think we're going to have to fund for the project. If we end up getting grants for it, that's a significant underlying
assumption that change. We can then go back amend the resolution to reduce. >> But if I get that extra money, I'm not looking to amend the resolution. which I will keep keep the splits just the way they're going now. I just want to make sure that if we do get it that they can't come back and claw back from us. You got this much money. We're going to take this much back.
>> If I may, Madame Chairperson Joel to I'm also representing Eisenhower Property Group. Um at the risk of complicating it, I'm going to try to clarify it. the existing agreement. Let's talk about that first because I really think that's
where that's where part of the commissioner's concern is coming. The existing agreement says that the search charge is for two reasons. It is to ensure a future mechanism for 100%
payback of the county loan amount that you're advancing to get the work done. Now, that's that's obviously a primary goal. But the second reason is to make sure that third parties who aren't
funding $25 million, which my clients are not getting back their 25 million on top of paying their base connection fees and on top of paying their search charge, is to make sure a third party interloper can't come in and connect to
that system for just a base connection fee without also paying what would be a fair proportionate share for that money that's and spent. So that's why there was a mechanism that the search charge is established an amount that's more
than your required payback. And once you're paid back, that's when it becomes a 50/50 split because the county has made an investment and the private pod members have made an investment. So I think you have to be careful about saying we're just going to eliminate a
search charge if you get grant money. Now obviously what would happen it would depend entirely on how much grant money did you get and I think what Clark and the county attorney are saying is that if and when you get a grant so that you know exactly what you have then you
would be required to obviously adjust the searchcharge ordinance but all I'm saying is it's not simply a math thing because you'd have to say okay what is still a reasonable amount to charge for that proportionate share amount to avoid that system. Um, so that that's what I'm
concerned about. Now, the way the agreement is worded right now, I agree there's nothing there that precludes you whatsoever from seeking a grant because it basically says you fund this however you decide to fund it. Okay? It's
open-ended. And logically, if you got a $10 million grant, then you would reduce your loan amount. and the fact that you got the $10 million grant would go to reduce your loan amount and therefore you would
be paid back sooner on your loan. And once you're 100% paid back between any grant and the search charge once you're 100% made whole, that's when the 50/50 split stops. So, in my view, what really should
happen is I actually would not change the searchcharge ordinance because as the county attorney said, you would wait and revisit that based on what grant amount you do or don't get. I would suggest that you just add the provision you're looking for. A short provision
added to the funding agreement that says nothing herein precludes the county from seeking and procuring state or federal grants in which event any grant amount would reduce the required county loan
amount. It's just that simple because the intent is for you to get wholly paid back, but only get wholly paid back, not more. And then once you're wholly paid back, the deal's 50/50 on the search charge. But I just be careful building in language that
suggests the search charge might go away due to a grant because you still need to charge new third parties a reasonable proportion amount to tap into a system. Okay, >> so I hope that hope that helps. But my suggestion is to just add that provision to the funding agreement.
>> All right, Mr. County attorney. >> That's fine. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So then I'm ready for a motion, but I need What are we putting in? >> I'm ready to make a motion, but I want to make sure how we want to structure the language that you >> Well, this not for this
>> based on based on what I've just heard, you don't need to make any modifications to the resolution. It's the it's the next item that you >> All right. Approval. Second. >> Okay. And I don't think this is a >> No, it's a roll. >> Okay.
>> Any more discussion from the public? >> No. Okay. All in favor? >> I. >> Woo. That was a lot of work for everybody. I know. Okay. Um, now we are going to go to >> R56.
>> Yeah, the R. Okay. >> Are you doing that one too? >> Yes. >> Okay. Adula Gonzalez, utilities engineering and contract management director. R56 is file number UTD26-000085 joint funding agreement between Pasco
County Mu Lanco Liquidating Company LLC, SF Lanco Liquidating Company LLC, EPG Hillrest Holdings LLC, EPG Pelmet Ridge Holding LLC, Lenar Homes LLC, Pelmetal Ridge Cattle Company LLC, and Jen Holdco
24 LLC, State Road 52 Old Pasco Road Utilities Corridor $40,722,000. This uh commissioner is the followup to the resolution. Uh I had mentioned uh some of the reasons or the criteria we
use to extend water and sewer mains. Uh typically when they're required to be extended by the county, it's because we already have commitments out there in terms of we have to provide additional water sewer service. In addition to that, we sometimes require developers to extend water and sewer mains if it's within the comprehensive plan threshold
for them to extend those lines. When our extension is optional for developers, when they exceed when their property exceeds the threshold uh for extending water and sewer facilities to their site, at that point can then voluntarily decide to fund the the
improvements completely or or find some other means of providing water and sewer for their properties. Our current policy for quite some time has been developers pay for extensions, county pays for water and wastewater plant expansions. That's what we typically do based on the comp plan
thresholds. Uh we already have uh a master plan created for that state 52 utility corridor that includes the rightsiz water and sewer facilities to serve that corridor from 52 to old Pasco road
essentially all the way to I75 uh over the course of several phases. The plan is to build what is needed for the first three phases of expected eru or development activity in that area uh with that DOT construction project. Uh
this graphic shows the limits of the water facilities needed for that state 52 corridor essentially all the way from US 41 up Aaron cutoff 52 and down old Pasco road. >> Can I can I ask you a question on this real quick? Um, so this is coming what's
going down Old Pasco that's not existing. Am I understanding that right? >> Correct. None of that along on the right. >> There are some water manes on Old Pasco, but the there is an additional parallel water man that needs to be constructed to provide enough fire flow. And
>> okay, so here's my question. This is what I'll write and maybe it's a funding thing, but I mean that road's under construction. Are you going to tear it up? Whatever is being done now, we're going to go back in and tear it up to put this in. >> Some of that is already under
construction. It's part of the old Pasco Road widening project, >> right? >> So, >> I have >> this isn't permanent or designed or anything yet. Right. So, you now you're going to go back in and tear it up. >> I'm pretty sure also that there were old plans on the books that accounted for
the widening of Old Pasco Road as well as placement of utilities. I seem to call that being in your role many many years ago. >> I Mike, I can't I don't think anyone can hear you. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I I I think it's counted for, but >> it would be on the west side of the
road, right? >> Yeah, there were already plans. I mean, when I first started working for the county, there were there were plans that were already on the books. I mean, >> so the plans are done already >> and construction is underway for that second. >> Okay. But you're putting this in now? >> Yes. >> While we're doing the construction, thank goodness. because that was needed
for one of the first phases of development in there, that northwest quadrant of I75 at 52. >> Okay. Just so many times we don't put it in because the developers aren't paying for it. So then we have to come back and tear up something we just did to put the stuff in.
>> Um commissioner, I just asked the engineer, one of those lines already is in an old Pasco road. They the developers literally have been paying and doing this and we've been negotiating the agreement. The second line, the plans are approved and they are doing directional drilling where
required. They're intentionally not impacting the roadway work. So they their plans contemplated that work and they're working around it. >> Yeah, that's the right way to do it. >> Okay. >> So chair. >> Yeah. Yeah. So with off so this plan today allows us to really work in
concert with DOT and get get this project into the in the ground and when they start their road project. It's not going to prolong Bob's barricades, which is good for Bob's barricades uh up and down east and west on 52 with
they built the road now dig it up, put pipe in, then repave the road again. like we should be able to actually have a fluid help do have a fluid project here. >> Yes, sir. That is the plan to do it concurrent with the road construction. >> All right.
Uh this is a graphic of the planned sewer improvements along the 52 and old Pasco corridor. Uh and again the the intent is to do it with the road construction to minimize any disturbance to the public. I mentioned the comprehensive plan distance thresholds when developers are
required to extend mains. So for large master plan uh communities uh over 100 erus the distance threshold is a mile for sewer and up to a mile and a half for water. But in this case, we have over 13 miles of water main network of
transmission mains that need to be built and over nine miles of sewer that needs to be built to provide adequate flow and pressure uh to that corridor. Because of that, uh we decided to leverage that public private partnership with the property owners group to fund the $62
million of of construction of which we are harding $15 million. The other $23 million that we're funding up front, we intend to get reimbured via that utility searchcharge connection that you just
approved. And that is to serve the Central Pasco Employment Village as well as the service area in blue with the possibility of extending that area if there's capacity available to the areas in pink. With that, we recommend approval of the
joint funding agreement >> and your issue. >> I want to have the language stated by a county attorney to add on to it that we need. >> You're the one who's negotiating with them.
>> Well, clerk said he was going to talk and then pitch it to me. So, I was Anyways, yeah, I was typing while we were talking. So, um I I'm not exactly sure where to put it in the agreement on the fly here, but um I'm thinking something
to the effect will be added to the agreement that says notwithstanding any of the county funding provisions, the county retains the right to apply for and utilize grant funding sources for the county loan amount, which is a defined term in here related to phases one through four.
>> Okay. Um is there anyone here? >> I think it would be one of those one of the letters. Um, you know, you got >> Yeah. >> Yes. I'm specifically looking at >> one second
uh part B where it talks about phase 1 through three infrastructure costs allocation. Um, there's a subp paragraph E that I think is where we're going to put it. >> Okay. Is there anyone here in the public that wishes to address this?
>> No windows compensation. >> Sorry, >> it's not a public hearing item, but you can hear from the you can hear from the folks that'll be signing the agreement. >> Commissioners, uh, I just want to take a few minutes. I, you know, I've sat here for so many years and sometimes I can't
stand it when people go on and pontificate when we get to the end of a big project like this. But I can't let today go by without thanking your staff and our team. And there's some I've been working on this for 2 and 1/2 years. And this week I had to go back and look at
how much time I had. And I have over 300 hours working on this in the last 2 and 1/2 years. Uh what happened here is our clients bought a bunch of property and you all approved the zoning for it and we all thought we were going hunky dory down the road. Then we found out that
the pipes that were out in front of some of these big projects just literally did not have any capacity. And that started a very long- winded discussion with Pasco County Utilities about how we might fix it. And basically, we're fixing a regional issue for the county
working together in a partnership. But it we could not have done this without Jordan's help, Brford's help. This guy Adulo over here has spent a ton of time and effort with us. David has worked on it. Mike's been in some of the meetings.
David Allen and David Engel have been in meetings, but Joel Ed Rogers on our end and Jordan Walker, our other uh PE of record, who's laid out a lot of the phase work that's going to occur here, have all been working on this nonstop for 2 years now. And what ended up
happening in this process by working together and there were points we didn't think this could happen is we will make sure that the county's whole on this project at the end of the day. So the county will make a bunch of money uh selling the utility services over time
to the developments in this corridor. We will have paid the county back and we have built this gigantic infrastructure that will serve this whole corridor for years to come. and we will make sure that it's done ahead of the DOT project. And >> we need to show you uh Hillsboro County
how to do it. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I just >> you know how long we waited for that plant in southern Hillsboro County. >> Again, to Joel and to our whole team and our clients for letting us do this. This was a difficult project, but it's ended up being a great project for everybody
involved. So, I thank you all and your staff for for working with us on it. Thank you. And I I do have one question, not it's not for Clark, but um you know, I listen to all the planning commission meetings and it used to be that they were saying is the infrastructure in
place for this? And I haven't heard that in a long time, but as we're checking through the boxes, you know, is someone checking to see if we need that the that we're up to date on our water sewer? Seems to me that this happened on VOP as
well. We kind of got caught without a utility plan. Is that right? >> Yeah, the the utilities are undergoing regular master planning. I know. I think we got a couple of items that they've either gone through or sometimes they run together. So, the team has done a phenomenal job. You know, it was um you
know, nice nice words there from from Mr. Jav. But I would say that ultimately this is this is just a great example of of trying to get ahead of the game. There's great system benefits as a result of this that benefit all the rateayers of Pasco County. And I think too, you know, doing this in conjunction where we can with with road widening
projects definitely um you know, we only like to touch things once. Sometimes in government we'll touch things two or three or four or five times in sequence. And uh I think it's I think it's a boon to the public as well and just has a great public benefit to everything that we're doing here today. So >> is there another area in the county
where you think we'll be looking at next? >> Uh along the line road corridor at the very north end of the county. Shady Hills up county line up in there. >> Okay. All right. Um, >> do we have a motion? >> We have a motion. >> I'll make a motion. And, uh, let me just
quickly say, Adalfo, Joel, Clark, everybody, you guys did phenomenal work in this thing all the way through. Um, I just want to make sure we protected ourselves with that one clause. Um, and I'm glad to hear that El Paso Road is being has been being done because I wasn't sure of that, but yeah,
>> great great news there. So, I'll make a motion to approve with the conditions stated by staff that we can be protected to go get grants that won't impede uh the funding of this agreement. >> I'll second. >> And again, uh thank you to everyone who worked on this. It's great when we can
all work together like this and achieve something so so important for the county. With that, all in favor? >> I opposed. >> Okay, great job everybody. job. >> Thank you so much. >> Waiting for the county >> and um make sure that we're taking care
of the coen grass over there. >> Oh man. CP EV or whatever it's called. And when are we going to get a new name? >> I I I can't take that name. Um full of cocon. >> Okay. Well, now what are you up here for?
>> Teer resolution for >> Oh, okay. We approve publication of uh this item in the temp times October 12th, 2025. >> Oh, this is kind of a >> This is a pretty easy thing.
>> Yep. All right. So, Amy Frell, budget director with Pasco County's Office of Management and Budget. Item P69 is a tax equity and fiscal responsibility act application and public hearing for John Hopkins all children's hospital. >> All right. So, um a tap for hearing. So,
federal tax law allows for the issuance of taxexempt bonds for qualified private activity. IRS regulations require approval from the county commission as the highest elected governing body with jurisdiction over the area in which the project will occur. A finding the project is in the public interest and a
public hearing to gather input from the public. Approval will allow the John's Hopkins Health System Corporation to borrow at a taxexempt rate. Um, the hospital system is seeking to borrow up to $280 million. Funds will be issued by the Maryland Health and Higher
Education Facilities Authority, not Pasco County. And the purpose of the bonds is to finance the acquisition, construction, renovation, or equipping of a five-story approximately 226,000 square foot patient care facility located in Wesley Chapel, which will
include 56 patient care units with an emergency department, imaging, surgery, ambulatory care, that is hard to say, and supporting services. Um, and it'll fund capitalized interest and other costs of issuance. It's important to remember that the county is not responsible for paying the
debt service. There's no cost to the county resulting from the approval of this applications and John Hopkins is not borrowing from Pastor County. All right. So, uh, recommended action accept public comment and vote on the resolution. Okay. Um, is there anyone
here that wishes to speak to this item? Seeing none, I have one question for the county attorney. I am on the board of trustees for John Hopkins, but uh do I need to recuse myself or I don't >> That's not a paid position, is it? >> No. >> No, you would not. >> The opposite.
>> Yeah. No, you would not need I think I think we I think we we did the we did this research before. I I'm I'm pretty sure that you're you're fine if it's an unpaid position. >> Okay. >> Did that was that a motion? >> I'll make a motion. Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. All in favor? I opposed. >> Anybody online? >> No, no one's been online all day. >> Okay. All right. Thank you very much. We are on to the county administrators. I >> Madam Chair. >> Yeah. >> Uh I'd like to show those pictures of the elk if I could. And then just one
quick thing about the disaster recovery meetings we have coming up. >> He had pictures he was wanting to show before but it had they hadn't loaded up yet. >> So there's all the veterans. This is the ARPA. >> That's the steps to recovery and the Elks members that were there for the uh for the banquet.
>> Nice. >> All just the veterans themselves. RTC was there. Junior RTC did a great job. I get to speak a little bit about the great things we're doing here. >> Look at that tie. >> Who is it? >> As the president, they were very very pleased, very happy.
Just great to see the camaraderie of the whole group. >> Okay. And if you could, let's put up the uh disaster recovery housing program meetings. Um, and I think it's good to see it because if people can pull on online to see the picture, they know the meetings. These meetings uh I think we
all all met now program. >> You guys got a brochure here. >> Yeah. So I think they're doing a phenomenal job. The first meeting comes up November 18th, 19th, 20th, and the 22nd, 24th, 25th. I'm going to be able to hit I think the first four of them. I won't be able to hit the other two, but
I think everybody has an opportunity here to hit one meeting or another. Um the program as as they get started is going to be able to help some some things a little bit quicker, but March is like when the most going. But the eligible activities for the individual housing for reimbursement of repair
expenses for homeowners, repair construction of elevation of homes, demolition and clearance of blighted structures, the voluntary buyout location, all the requirements tied back to hurricane Adalia, Helen or Milton, um and the household income at 80% or below
the area uh median income is going to be critical and those are going to be taken care of first. And I think it's important that we all know that we need to make sure that we get this not only approved and funded, but we don't have any clawbacks later on because we didn't hit that 70% threshold. So, I'm
comfortable with staff making sure we get to those numbers, figure out how we got to get there before we actually have the other people that were higher incomes that are going to get some help, too. >> And I'm I'm grateful for staffers swapping the November 18th with the November 22nd because that's the only
meeting I can attend. and I wanted to be sure uh cuz the 19th I have a no a fact and I have my husband's charity event. So, uh, in Tampa. Um, so I I can only go to one. Um, and I plan to be there on 18. >> And I'm going to go to the fact, but I'm
going to drive back for the night time. >> I got this event. My husband speak. >> All right. Thank you, county administrator. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Just one item really. I'd just like to take a second to uh acknowledge our emergency management team. You may or may not be
aware, but in September and October, there were a number of flash floods uh in Gila, Arizona. So, we deployed a team out there, Andy and some of our folks to uh provide emergency management services uh to to that area and they they've done a phenomenal job. But uh just Andy had
given a shout out to the various areas of the county that also assisted with this, namely our our public our media relations communications team uh really stepped up in a big way. uh our solid waste department, especially with debris management, also also stepped up. Uh purchasing GIS and and other team
members. And so again, just a another great example of how we've leveraged our experience with disaster to help other communities and it continues to help our folks train and to be better at what we at what we do. So I talked to Andy about his trip and he said that because they
are not used to having dis emergency, you know, disasters, they had no idea how to do disaster pickup >> and the communications part and that we were kind of running the communications from here for them. >> So uh they were out there for I think
two weeks and um and I I'm sure that I'll talk to the commissioners from there and Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, >> I'm so proud of our guys. >> We we see it as a good example to not only train but also give back and assist where those need. So, pass those out
there up in the forefront. That's all. >> Okay. Um I never remember which one you >> um and this time I have something. Um >> yes, you did litigation. >> Uh no, you don't need don't need a litigation assessment meeting. Um, as
the as the board is aware, um, there was pending litigation, Coastline Boat Lift Covers versus Pasco County. Um, on October 27th, 2025, um, the court dismissed their case
against us uh, based on the adoption of the new ordinance. Um there was a motion for summary judgement that had been issued by the court April 20th, 2023 which we appealed to the
second DCA uh based on the error we think in the court's language u regarding the advertisement for the uh 2019
ordinance. Second DCA said basically it was premature to appeal at that point because a final action had not been taken in the case. While I believe the court was in error in that
summary judgement motion um I also am aware that if and now it would be ripe to appeal. Um, I'm also aware that the district courts of appeal are highly unlikely to take a case which has been
resolved in all other aspects. Um, and by your adoption of the new ordinance, I think that would be the position they would take. So, long way of saying while I would like to appeal it, I am recommending that you not appeal it because I don't think we'll get
anywhere. It'll just be good money after bad, so to speak. >> That makes sense. Um and at this point the the issue with regarding regarding boat covers and the uh that particular vendor has been settled. I think we let
sleeping dogs lie and move forward. >> Sounds good. >> That's it. >> Do you have anything? >> Madame clerk has nothing to bring forward. >> Okay. Now my list, sorry I have a lot. um on the TDC. Uh first of all, I need your approval for two new appointments,
Erica Broadnecks and Antonio Perez. So move >> second. >> All in favor? >> I thank you. Um so as Commissioner Joerger mentioned, we had the dedication um we had a couple dedications. We
dedicated the new kitchen and um county administrator was there. Uh and then we dedicated the um you see the sign here the Wilton Simpson self-sufficiency residential center. Uh all these signs they were new to this to this event.
Also the Scott and Kathy Frink was West Pasco campus. So uh just a a great morning. Um what they have done and invested in in what the west side of the county is amazing and the community is forever grateful. They are helping so
many families to um get back on their feet. So great event. Uh let's see what Oh, so this is uh Scott Fanks. No, not Scott F. Tim Mark's um retirement party. Um we had it down at
the yach club in Tampa. And there's Mayor Caster. Gave him a proclamation and it was the who's who I guess of Tampa Bay. I don't know. It was quite the event. And um it was very nice send off for Tim who did such an amazing job at at Metropolitan.
Um this is oh so let me say let me cross these off because these are not in order on my paper. So TDC met so as some of you know I do a couple t couple times a year I I take my
international CEOs on um field trips and this was our latest field trip. So, the first place we went to was the Hillsboro Pas uh public PSCO, public safety.
>> Yeah, POC, I guess. Public safety operations center. Um, we went there, Commissioner Oakley, before and um they got to to tour that and see what government does when there is a uh an declared emergency.
Then we went on to the Coca-Cola plants. Um the gentleman there by the red Coca-Cola bottle, Leroy is the current chair of Amskills and he offered to give us a tour. I had eight or nine CEOs from
the area. You see Matler, Toledo, um Touch Point, um bunch of bunch of the companies here, Farmer Works, um The Point, uh I can't remember all the companies. And um then we toured their new
state-of-the-art distribution center, which is right around the corner. So uh at the end, we went to the victory ship. Oh yeah, we had to wear these hats. Uh in the Coca-Cola plant, you know, they do the smart water. So, if you're anywhere in the southeastern United States and you're buying a bottle of smart water,
>> not not the one that >> there's a special Smart Water. I don't even remember what's in it, but the regular Smart Water, it's coming from here in Tampa, which I had no idea. >> Um, so then we went to the American Victory Ship. Joe McGee, um, who's right
behind me is, uh, on the board and they gave us a tour. That's the general there on the blue shirt. um special ops guy in the other blue shirt uh that gave us a tour. Um and uh you know what happens on these is
these businessmen talk to each other and and business gets done and Joe has a company who wants to move to Pasco County that is a I think it's a perfume company and needs a bottling plant. So he and Spencer are doing some business there. So nice.
>> Yeah. So, it's really nice to have this um this going on. Um and then you the one guy is from the XGen XGen X I don't remember how to say his company next to Pascal from Touchpoint. He has an amazing company here in Pasco County.
>> Yeah, remember. And um and and he was plugged into everything. Okay, next picture. Get off of that one. Um, oh, I spoke at the, um, Tampa Bay Chamber Public Policy Roundt two mornings in a row. I had to be in
Hillsboro County like 7:30 in the morning. That was that was a little tough. Um, so that was what that was. Um, they wanted to those were the three chairs from three different counties. I also turned s toward Saddle Brook. Look at that pool. What an improvement. And
the the uh, clubhouse is looking beautiful. I'm very excited for them. And I told him, Jack, that we were going to work on getting back there for one of their meetings. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, next. Um,
oh, so this is this is a crazy thing that's going on. If you go down Little Road, this is the new Jallow car wash next to Pit Boss. Um, and for some reason, these two don't connect. So, Jallow has a a del lane
that goes into the car wash and then Pit Boss. Is there another picture? Did they do two pictures? Oh, watch this. Watch this. >> So, everyone's They don't connect. Did you see the grass? >> So, like while I'm standing there, a car
pulls into Jello and then drives across. Um I And I don't know. I I should I had to picture that, but everyone's It's the craziest thing. And I don't understand why we don't I thought we require Here's the car coming in. So I thought we required interconnects
and that that just happened. >> Jello wanted to happen. >> Well, it should be that they have to >> usually takes two to tango. I can't speak in this particular case on site. >> Yeah. So this is crazy, but you know
that's what's going on there. Um I thought they were required to connect. Okay. next. >> You would think so cuz you see the curb cut. >> I know. Well, I did it my first time, too. And and and they told me, "No, no." And I'd stop like what? They said, "Don't think he's going to tell us. >> You got to go around and go out back out
on Little Road and come around." >> He can tell you all about it. Chair David Allen, assistant county administrator, development service. Yeah, this is um Mr. Carbala said it takes two to tango. We did require um as part of the the project to have that
connection. However, the neighboring property owner where the Pit Boss Barbecue and the strip mall was unwilling to um >> uh approve of the connection between the two and then >> customers were benefiting.
>> Understand that, but but again, it's a private property issue with with a private property party that was unwilling to cooperate. >> Well, it doesn't look like it's stopping them. Well, we're all finding a way to uh do that delane and get in there until they put something across there. Um
okay. All right, then. Um I had a meeting last week or two weeks ago with my constituents regarding this. Um I don't know. Is it Panos? Who was at this meeting? Panos, were you there? No. >> Yeah. Okay. So if you want to come up
and explain this and if you could put on the map Gulf Trace Boulevard and Lacanto Street in St. Louis, you'll see this in the big picture. These roads, this road used to connect. And when they when they built Gulf Trace Boulevard,
they put in like they stopped the connection. And I just want you to see, you know, I'm all about connections. I want you to see why it's important. Um so but if you want to go ahead >> Panos Conces assistant u
uh engineer the services uh director uh this was one of the connections that the board identified for us to explore back in uh I believe in June or earlier than that. So this is the connection between St. Louis uh road and GF trace
boulevard. Um so we coordinated with the local community. We had a meeting at their clubhouse. Uh Commissioner Starky was there. I was there and one of my staff was there to present the concept which was shown just before. Um the
community there were about 15 I believe attendees. >> Uh they were very perceptive of the project. They were very positive. uh they themselves uh pointed out that that connection will improve the access to Gulf Trace Elementary and also
recreation uh center which is to the west of the connection and also that that connection because of those access improvements the property values will will be increased. So >> okay will you uh zoom out there please?
I want you to see what these people have to do. Okay, if you live over here on the corner, let's say of Mir and St. Louis and you want to take your kid to baseball practice or soccer and you get and and they're not walking, they're not
old enough, whatever. >> You have to go all the way. >> You have to go all the way down. Zoom out more, please. You have to go all the way down. Keep going to She show us 19. Zoom out. Zoom out. You got to go all the way
through all these neighborhoods to get to US19, make a left turn up to Gulf Trace Boulevard, way up there, past Sun Coast Toyota, and come around and go up Gulf Trace and you live
like it could take you one, two minutes, but instead you have to do that. Same with the elementary school. You can you see the elementary school there in Gulf Trace Boulevard. So, how how we let this happen. This is and everybody that was there was for this.
>> I am sure we might hear we might hear from the person on the corner if it's an older person that doesn't have any kids in the park or the school that they don't want anyone all that traffic driving in front of their house. But for
the vast majority of people here, it's going to save lives. It's going to save lives. >> Should have been there. >> Yeah. So, um, there are three or four of these around the county. >> Um, one of them is >> Pepin. >> Um, I know we had Mrs. Ostein come in
here, but sometimes I mean this is this is just planning 101. You must have connections. So, um, thank you so much for your team for coming out and, uh, God speed on getting us connected. We own the land, >> right? >> Yes. There's no rightway issues. We can
build the road. just now we're trying to fund it in our CIP to do the design and immediately after we can go to construction. There's no any impediment to to build the road with regards to right away or utilities or anything like that. So, >> thank you so much and we'll see this um
coming in front of us whenever they get the project ready and the funding. >> Thank you so much panel. >> Thank you. >> All right. What's next? >> Is there anything else for pictures? >> Okay. Well, I also attended the inaugural education legislative plat partnership forum. I wish we had another
half hour. I think it would have been great to take questions, but I I thought it was wonderful. Um did the pit bass jello that that Saddlebrook. Um okay, so um I wanted to um
uh talk about Charlie Kirk and I just wondered like many communities are doing if we wanted to think about naming a road after him. So >> that looked good. >> Yeah. I don't know where or which one, but you know, think about it and let's
maybe come back with some ideas. Maybe something in front of the county government. I don't know. Um I think would be good. Um work uh a legislative legislation has been filed for um ebikes, scooters, and pocket bikes and
rocket whatever those things are called. Uh talking to a lot of commissioners from other counties, it's a problem everywhere. actually it's a problem across the whole United States. So, um I wrote wrote the uh two legislators who are sponsoring the bill and offered to work with them and give them stories
about things that happened in our county and um Ralph love to work with you on that. I want to make sure we stay involved in that because I want to see something get through. Um and then I lastly I have some very um oh I attended
the Ahack workshop that's a statewide workshop on um affordable housing. Um and I did the Tampa home talk interview but I um I want to give you some sad news. Keith is gone, I think. But those of you might uh
David um who worked on Starky Ranch that um I'm gonna get all choked up that Matt Call who was so instrumental in doing such a wonderful development working for and work for Wheelock, my son's company. Um you know, last a couple years ago, he
developed pancreatic cancer and he fought a very good fight. Um but he um he did pass away this week. So uh they have a service for him on the 29th. Unfortunately, every Stark is going to be in Virginia. So we're going to going
to miss the service. But um what they did with that P4, I think it was the first one in the country with the Starky K8 and the park and the county. Um I don't think any developer in the county has stepped up like they did. And um I
really wanted to get tell him that and to thank him, but he went into hospice before I got that opportunity. Um so he has two young kids and um and he will be very missed. Okay, with that we're done.
[Applause] We're >> and wish everybody a wonderful >> Yes. >> and grateful Thanksgiving. >> Yes. >> Happy Thanksgiving.