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may be faithful stewards of your gift amen amen Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all all right uh will the clerk please call the role Mayor Scott black here councilman Smith Mayor John Eric Hoover here commissioner Ronald E Oley here commissioner Seth waitman commissioner Catherine sty commissioner Lisa jger commissioner Jack Marano here chairman Matt Murphy here all right at this time we like to call for a public comment do we have anybody that like to speak please please approach sir please state your name and address for the record uh my name is Charlie Lola I'm a 1018 Orland brick Drive in Trinity um I've been here 13 years and I moved to Trinity uh because it was clean quiet safe uh a great Community to live in um getting away from the rat race that I was previously accustomed to um I was originally coming here to complain about uh the paving refund um I mean the process just turned out to be the punishment honestly I got got my check on Friday um whoever designed that process was it was clearly a deterrent to not encourage people or make people aware of the refund um but I did get my check and I do thank you for that um I'm here today regarding the uh Storyland project um that's going in or supposedly going in behind the generations Church uh I didn't see anything on the last ballot just wondering who is moving that forward I see my commissioner uh is not here uh not sure where this is all coming from so if any answers or Solutions or updates that would deeply be um be appreciated um that's it if I wanted to move behind Disneyland I would have moved to CMI and not to Trinity that's kind of my feeling so thank you for your time appreciate it thank you sir do you have anybody else from public anybody signed up online all right all right so we're going to goe and move forward um get the approval of minutes for November 14th second all in favor I discussion okay all right let's move on to Mo advisory committee reports citizens advisory committee Miss Tania Gorman good morning um representing James mow our CAC uh Vice chair he cannot be with us this morning he's told me to read into record uh please read into record that we did not have Quorum and advise we have two citizens uh that spoke on inquiring about the property on the northwest side of US 41 and 54 in regards to the 5441 widening and the other commented um on the propos sports complex in Trinity [Music] um and that is all all righty thank you uh next up we have technical advisor committee Cynthia spel good morning Cynthia spel uh representing the uh technical advisory committee we met on December 4th and a real short and sweet but um kind of important we voted um for the long range Transportation plan and uh but with a two slight modifications and one was we wanted to see Trinity Boulevard from State Road 54 to Little Road widening added to the cost feasible plan in the top band 2030 to 2035 and we also wanted to make it clear that we were very happy to see that there was a need for complete streets um but the parks and wreck representation wanted to make sure that that didn't delay or penalize um the need for a bike the green Trails of the blue ways bike and pedestrian plan so and then last but not least um city of Zep Hills talked about the uh the truck and the freight plan that came before for you at the last meeting and wanted to make sure that they could have an active role in um the development of that plan due to the wide expansion of development as well as the importance of freight and Industrial in the city of ofer hills and with that I'm happy to answer any questions and thank you very much anybody have anything all right thank you U next up bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee Mr Brian Michaels yes Brian Michaels from BAC so uh we had new member that's going to join a team for bpac from uh the health department Britney um we also had three members that um one member uh went to the CAC and two other members resigned so we're looking for new members for bpac um all items were approved on our agenda the 2050 long range plan there was a note um US1 19 uh the population uh on the west side of the county is going to go to almost uh 30 00,000 people is projected for 2050 um US1 19 the way it's currently laid out is three lanes with one turn lane uh so it's actually four lanes um pelis County 20 plus years ago had a similar roadway from Countryside mall to Keystone Road and what they did is they turned that turn lane into a force Lane which increased the capacity 25% so that's something that the no can look at for uh maybe some expansion on US1 19 because the roadway if it stays in its current state um adding almost 300,000 residents will basically make us 19 a parking lot so I appreciate the that was just just the input that that came from the uh pedestrian advisory committee questions good all right thank you sir welcome commissioner sty good morning morning left my phone in the car could not find that thing um we have a forum now um I need a charger actually um all right so we're going to move on okay I'm sorry I would like a point of clarification we took action on m board minutes from last month but the board minutes were not included they will be in next month so unfortunately we have to resend that vote okay all right thank you all right we're moving on to action items have one here U Pasco M final 2050 long range Transportation plan adoption Alison flu good morning good morning thank you members of the board I have just a brief presentation for you all um today um during our last meeting I had the opportunity to go in a bit more depth and recap many of the uh steps that we took to develop our plan as well as the outcomes of that plan and so today I wanted to just briefly recap what uh the longrange transportation plan is and what it represents for our region but then I'll Focus the majority of my time on some of the actions that have taken place since uh we last had our revised draft um to the Committees in October met with you all in November and then the feedback that we receiv received from the committee uh in December as well so our long range Transportation plan is as you all know uh a financially constrained federally required plan that we are required to update every 5 years um this is something that uh timeline wise has a federal deadline associated with it um that Federal deadline for adoption is in the month of December so it's coming up um tomorrow in fact thank you Scott um not why we're here the lrtp is multimodal in nature it does cover all Transportation modes serves as a guide for planning policy and funding decisions for both the near-term and long term and then most importantly as you all are well aware the long range Transportation plan is really that first step for the access to federal funds so a project does need to be included within our longrange transportation plan if it is eligible to progress forward into your transportation Improvement program and receive those federal funds so we've talked through this planning process before but I think it's uh helpful to just remind everyone of some of the highlights that went into the plans development itself we do always start with a data Gathering and kind of coming up with that new Baseline particularly important for this area and the growth that you continue to see uh to make sure that we have an updated Baseline each time this plan is done as well as forecast t for population employment into the future as another part of that we updated the goals and objectives that came from the 2045 plan uh we always want to look at our newest federal and state regulations to be sure that we are in line with those and then also understand what we're hearing from the population within the region to be reflective of that as well we had an extensive Outreach process with County staff um and the development of our needs plan the needs plan is essentially those recommendations for our road ways bicycle and pedestrian and Transit needs and so that was a large part of our development process that took several months um to solicit that feedback and be sure that we were incorporating the latest plans um and understand what things had been committed what things were desired uh to move forward as well and then also to look at that available data to understand where some of the needs were being demonstrated that perhaps hadn't been communicated previously from there we move into some of the important Fally required portions of the plan project prioritization using the prioritization criteria that were developed as a part of this planning process that we're also considering those criteria developed for your Lop uh then we moved into the cost feasible plan uh this kind of has the two sides of doing a revenue forecast for our area being sure we understand what's actually available at the federal state and local levels and then aligning those prioritized projects with those available funds which led us into our longrange transportation plan documentation uh we had that initial draft produced in July and since that time we've had the opportunity to revise that update that um and I'll talk about a couple of the more uh recent updates to that in my following slides something also important to note is the congestion management process which is also a federally required document for you all since you are part of a TMA um we prepared that as a companion to the longrange transportation plan so that they could be operating in tandem so we see public involvement mentioned as part of the planning process let's see if this thing will do I have to point it at a certain place it was there it goes public engagement was mentioned a couple times during our planning process and I know that you've heard this before but it Bears repeating because this is such an important part of our plan um something that I'm personally proud of and would like to thank uh the no staff for their hard work on is the great level of participation that we received for this public process we had over 1100 unique participants as part of our public engagement which for this type of plan is hard to do and really impressive so definitely appreciate all those efforts and also the efforts of our committee members um and you board members as well in spreading that word making sure that we had those folks coming to the table whether that was digitally inperson public workshops our project website as well as stakeholder meetings and Equity Outreach focus groups so I'm going to turn the page now and focus on some of the things that we have done in the final stages of revising this plan so that you all can uh just see exactly where we have left things so um when we brought this originally to our committees as a revised draft October um we did not yet have the opportunity to bring in the most currently adopted CIP Capital Improvements program from Pasco County because it had just been recently adopted that was something we were able to fold in prior to bringing this to you to this body in November um but we did want to note that that had been fully included we do also have our most current version of the tip um folded into this as well so we should all be uh working from the same Playbook here within the long range trans Transportation plan can I stop you right there for a second Mr chair yes go ahead so on the policy board feedback you're saying you're dividing Hicks Road Project up into two sections from Denton to Bolton from Denton to Bolton there's already a two-lane road that's there it's already been paved was done probably 14 years ago which led to trying to get the Bolton to New York component you're putting the priority from the I can see in the chart where you're going to work on the Denton to Bolton connection which is already made instead of the Bolton New York connection you also have the same figures for cost figures for both of them and there's no way that can be true either so I would like you to make sure when you dig into that you flip those number flip the priorities and relook at those cost numbers because they're there's just no way it could be the same commissioner I appreciate that comment um yes to just spend a little bit more time on that policy board feedback um yes we know that when we met with this body in November that was the action that you all elected to take on the cost feasable plan was to divide Hicks Road into two sections um yes one section does already have a segment in place um when that was done um we simply took the the full section cost and simply divided in half since they are of equal length with the understanding that we would likely be upgrading and modernizing one section and then constructing a new section um from scratch um it is likely that there would be some differentiation in those costs when we actually get into um putting that together however this is a high level planning cost as of now both are included in our illustrative list um it does not have any material impact on kind of what we're showing in terms of our recommendations um for the plan but that that is a a good observation in terms of their their status one being already in place as a two-lane and then one that is going to need to be constructed and and then both making it it's listed where they both New Roads and one Road's already in place so I don't know why you'd call it a new road when it's Road's already there that's what concerns me with it and again I want to make sure the direction is Bolton to New York is done first whoopsie yeah thank you for that and and we can uh make that modification in the plan commissioner if that if that is the the pleasure of the of the group um St yes I'm not sure if this is the right place to also interject but I kind of need Nick to come up um so uh since we met before um senator Senator Hooper has a big project and maybe some of our do friends I don't I don't know if this is the right place to bring this up Nick so um he's got some big plans for um pelis County's um connection to Pasco County because uh if you've ever driven it in the morning I know some of you on the east side haven't but if you've ever driven it in the morning you know it's really bad um take six or seven light cycles to get down east lake to East Lake Road so he has a very big um legislative fix coming on the pelis county side and so we were asked to do put something in on our side of that connection and so I have what is going to be we're going to discuss later today which is our um our additions to that Panela project which is much smaller I think his is over $100 million in penelas but is this the place where we should talk about it should we put them in this or yes and if if you'll bear with me commissioner starki I have just a couple more slides one of which I think is at least adjacent to the projects that you are referring to and then we can maybe talk a little bit more about what would be entailed with that process okay yeah thank you I appreciate that you know what um while you're doing that I'm going to get copies from my board members because they have not seen this yet so at least they know what we're talking about because I just got it thank you okay um I'll just quickly recap some of these other um modifications that that were made here um some of which again that you've already seen um from our committee feedback in October um some of the other things that we heard were from go Pasco they provided us with some additional details about some specific projects they'd like to see in some of the later years of our cost feasible plan we were able to add those in and incorporate them and then we also did re get some review comments from Pasco County engineering once they had had the opportunity to fully go through uh the cost feasable plan list and we incorpor ated those comments most of which were actually centered in with that continuity with the new Capital Improvements program uh that needed to be added in so once we had those things both reflected um all of those things kind of ironed out um I also wanted to just note some of the other review opportunities that have been undertaken with this plan over the past several months um one being our County stakeholders uh the cost fusable plan has been sent out to uh many the technical stakeholders within our County staff um and administration for review and comment this has happened several times over uh going from our draft of the plan in July to now but most recently following your meeting um and adoption in November and we did not receive any additional comments that resulted from that review we had our public comment period um that coincided with the the last meeting that we had with this board um the draft long range plan was advertised for public comment and we did not receive any additional public comment at that time and then we did have fdot um sent that out to uh to them for review and comment as well during that time period and we did receive some minor comments back from fdot um which have been received and addressed um just to elaborate a little bit further um these comments were what I would characterize as minor in nature um some examples include um providing some additional detail about our performance measurement process directly in the body of the plan um including um some clarifications to formatting for our cost feasible plan we received some new projects for our Florida Turnpike um that were able to be consistent with what uh they are most recently showing and then a couple of Project Specific funding updates um specifically we eliminated pd&e from a couple of projects where that phase had already been completed um so those uh revisions have all been made and Incorporated in the version of the document that you have in front of you now I did want to note um you received um some feedback from the Committees today and just to address some of what uh was uh discussed with those groups first off um from our technical committee there were some comments surrounding the bicycle pedestrian portion just asking for a little bit more clarity there were some wording suggestions that were made um to talk about the emphasis and priority of complete streets those have already been reflected and added into the version of the document that you have in front of you um the project suggestion that was uh discussed at the technical committee was potentially moving Trinity Boulevard from Little Road to sr54 from our illustrative list into the 2031 to 2035 cost band and the rationale for that change was some energy around a potential appropriation request that could be forthcoming but also understanding that this had been a previous ly expressed priority um for the area so we did look at this change and we wanted to just report to you all the potential impact of the change and then essentially leave this to you for your consideration as you take action on the plan today the impact would be um relatively minor on our overall cost feasible plan because obviously if we're adding something in we want to understand if that has a trickle down effect to other projects there would only be one change um our michler Road Bower Road Project would have one phase that would be moved down to a later cost band um but that's a relatively minor change um its p& would still be able to be completed within the originally stated 2031 to 2035 cost band and it's right away in construction we're already in the later cost band so again this is just a single phase engineering moving into a later cband I do want to make a note this is just a general consideration for all of you and this may have um speak to commissioner starky's earlier question about additional projects that are being considered for appropriation is that if an appropriation is received the longrange transportation plan will need to be amended regardless does it matter if the appropriation is from General funds or district 7 funds no either way it changes that's correct the the way the what precipitates the need for an amendment is is essentially moving a project from illustrative into the funded plan or into a different cost band within the funded plan okay so that's that is what's going to precipitate the need for a longrange transportation plan Amendment so for example for this road that we're talking about here we're moving it or suggesting to move this to the 2031 to 2035 cost band if however funding were received to fund this sooner a longrange transportation plan Amendment would be needed to move that up into the early your cband so just for Just for information so that essentially summarizes where uh where we have taken this um I did want to make just one more note regarding the comments that you heard from the bpac uh there were conversations held there about us 19 and subsequent conversations um following that meeting um noted that US1 19 is going to be a focus in part for the safety action plan that is kicking off for the mo so that could be an ideal venue to help understand the implications to that Corridor Mr chairman commissioner what commissioner Stark is bringing up though is she's going the this here is going from Little Road out to 54 it's not dealing with the section from Little Road out to the penel county line no no it is not on this right not not in the screen not on the screen here on the paper you got to have it but it only here it Go only goes from Little World to 54 you're not getting everything from over is that from Little Road little road to 54 just I think that I think that's I think that that line is wrong unless you have that's not what this is correct this was the project that was specifically discussed within our technical advisory committee and it does not match what you had said so this is a different project but adjacent to the projects that you mention so this would be this one would then be in addition to whatever you're talking about there that's correct so how do we get this one in cuz this is the appropriation request what do we need to do I gave it to you yesterday and you're discussing it you can take our okay can I ask this question chairman if you took and added the second bullet down here and you added it to the other one to just include that verbiage put it into the same thing you could put put it in without having to add another item it' be just one item it might be an easier way to go rather than just putting another item where you got to kind of just add get fun that just change that project itself to go further out to the pelis county line and then add in the statement as far as the rebuild road with two 11t vehicle lanes and 5 foot bike Lanes it would change your cost but keep it what one item I think we have a separate project for that that you're discussing right there that's on the email I think it would be better to split it up I believe so yes and I I think that perhaps one of the questions that I would we would want to understand for the inclusion within the long range Transportation plan if those were to be moved forward into the document is um for one is the section that is being shown on this slide here is this something that we should be considering taking action on or should we instead be focused simply on the ones that commissioner starky those uh projects that you um that you socialized to the group here today so is it both segments in other words of this of Trinity or or is it simply this the segment that you had mentioned well I think that this one adds capacity to the East part atorney Boulevard this is what was in uh was in The Five-Year Plan and when we changed the way we do the Tiff funding this got dropped is my my recollection because Trinity's been expecting that for a long time and then um we we thought there was going to be plenty of money in the Tiff and then uh the road cost came up so that this project went away that's that's what happened to that road right this this one is to move people through intersections quicker is that right Nick yeah and this is from Little West so they're different projects and that's why you wouldn't want to put them together an appropriation if the appropriation for some reason come through little this smart you know what I mean so you want to divide Andover bring it all together yeah yeah that makes sense okay yeah so um we can actually you all can do both of these yeah okay um what um do you does anyone here know the timeline in the p on the Panella side for the improvements are they also waiting till 2035 for those I I'm going to guess they're not okay and does anyone here know it has something to do with East Lake Road and right um they're widening it and is it an overpass or what are they doing there it's it's I know it's a lot of money um I just don't know what date to put on this as far as action Mr chairman we can do that we can do that we can look into that the backend if you take action for put there we can get all that information you just need to tell us to take action so we can put we can do the rest did you want to say something if if you wish to include those three projects in the call in in the call fees will plan presumably they would go into the first fiveyear band The 2025 to 2030 band correct and then this project would be added to the 2031 to 2035 okay well that would be my motion I'd make that motion second all in favor I I all right very good thank you thank you and you're and and you're going to look at commissioner marana's issue right I just wanted to add a quick word I just want to clarify the motion was that just to amend the plan paternity Boulevard or were you adopting the entire rest of the lp well that was to amend so now I'll make the motion to adopt to ad it as amended second make that motion all in favor I I all right thanks David well good thank you I just wanted to add a quick word the the M staff is very pleased with the result of this year-long planning effort the plan contains a well vetted list of Prior prioritized Transportation Improvement projects and we are confident that this plan will serve as a reliable guide for transportation Improvement decision making over the next five years and the M staff wishes to thank kimley horn for their hard work and efforts in assisting the mo with the development of the plan nice thank you Mr chairman commissioner did we just adopt the whole plan right there or just the amendment Amendment and the whole plan and my my comments on hick R will be integrated in as well correct okay um may ask may ask one question on that I'm sorry I don't remember uh the the bicycle ped overpass for starky Boulevard is it me mentioned in here at all but it is not actual it's in the what the needs plan thetive list of things that we cannot currently the cible our but it is it is in oury um and wait and you know what I want to I may want to take back my motion because because I did I didn't well I want to at least get that on there somewhere as 54 is going to get more crowded um and we have we have asked the developer on the Southside they're holding the land for us to to get over the road um I'm concerned about 54 and 41 and if you look in this plan it I don't know if you want to talk about it do but it's really far away can we wait till they they're coming up through the tenative work program and that is that's where that one would be that's do all right I'll wait for that one okay but I I do I I don't think we need I don't think we I think we need to be sure we've got the starky boulevard um over bike pet overpass reflected somewhere and I'm not sure where the right place is but it's in the need plan but once we get funding we can ship that over we can move that over feable but it's also in our list ofy project all right because that um can be funded by the penny for Pasco it is the the Coast to Coast Trail is listed as uh eligible for money from the penny David and I have researched that and and so um and I would you just speak with Nick with Penny that's where the that's fing that's the okay all right thank you thank you um go Pasco updates do we have any okay okay and then go to status reports and presentations uh FL Department transportation ten work program Mr Brian Hunter well it does say go PCO here good morning doing board members Brian Hunter with the Florida Department of Transportation all right so today I'm going to give a brief presentation on the tentative work program for fiscal years 26 through fiscal year 30 so just a quick reminder the Florida Department of Transportation operates on a 5year budgeting cycle currently we are in the fiscal year 25 to 29 work program and that's been adopted and at the end of June we that current fiscal year ends and July 1st the new fiscal year starts and so we start working on what the new fifth year which is where we typically program most of our projects so we go through that process we take uh information from the no cities municipalities counties everybody we get those priority projects in we create that new fifth year make any uh scope or schedule updates to existing projects we submit that to the legislature that becomes the tentative work program which is starts and this case it'll be fiscal year 26 which is July 1st 2025 that goes to the governor once it is signed then it becomes and July 1 comes around that becomes our adopted work program we'll start working on that on July 1st so our programming strategies for these projects is a preserve our existing work program so if we have a project that's already funded if the schedule changed or the cost estimate is changed we make those adjustments first then we fund the next phase of a project so if we have design funded for a project the appropriate amount of time is spaced out uh after design for right of way and/or construction we fund those phases and then we add new projects those projects come to us from three places there are the no priority list and so there the mo priority lists the regional priorities that we get from the sunos Transportation Planning Alliance and then fdot and our Cy priorities so this presentation is going to go over those new projects that were added any new phases that were added any high priority or High um visibility type projects and anything that was deferred or Advanced now I know that you all probably have specific projects that are in the work program you've been keeping your eye on rest assured if I don't talk about that today it is still on the same schedule was on last year we just have almost 900 projects in the district so if I tried to go over all of them with everybody we'd be here till about 12:30 so no if I don't mention that project and it's already been funded the Project's still on the same schedule and we're moving forward with it as previously presented and so we'll start with planning these are funds that are added every year for the Mo to do the work that they do so we added those to fiscal year 2030 we have two Transit projects one is the bus Replacements and the second is uh bus stop improvements These funds the capital funds were added to fiscal year 30 and if you notice on top of the project description there's a little logo that says Pasco M priority if that's there that means it was taken directly off the Mo's priority list in order to move forward for funding now on capacity we have a couple different projects the first one is State Road 54 us41 we deferred the rideway from 28 to 29 and we added more RightWay funds in fiscal year 30 I75 at State Road 52 we're going to add some Lanes reconstruct and restripe in that area and construction was added to fiscal year 26 so next year all right so this is this is what I want to talk about all right and and I I really hadn't grasped here that we're already adding what are we doing we just did 75 and 52 so what are you doing there so we are going if you so if you're heading westbound I'm from the East Coast so I have to mentally change my the water Vision so if I get it backwards I apologize but so if you're heading westbound right now we have that se separated Lane that then turns into the loop ramp on the right hand side on the right hand side and so we're going to re I always forget I have to go down and make a u-turn yeah the so we're going to have two uh lanes that will get on that ramp we're going to right now the ramp is wide enough to accommodate the two lanes up until it becomes the merge lane on the I75 so we're going to restripe that ramp so that we have additional capacity there and move that merge point or further down onto the Interstate okay so it'll it'll increase the capacity and throughput of that interchange so what I'm concerned about is the 5441 construction date okay and when is that construction dat so right now I think we tentatively have that program for 2032 it's in the second five of our CIS plan um I mean don't you think that's a long ways away for the amount of traffic that's on that road it is but it's a big project and a lot of money and it's been a long time getting to this point yeah it's a it's a half a billion dollar project there's $250 Million worth a RightWay on that project almost 200 million of construction it's a but it wasn't it wasn't that expensive 5 years ago but we we knew we needed that land I don't know why we wait so long to buy the land and then pay three times more you know we have to you know there there's a process to acquiring right of way if we know we have a need for it and there's a willing seller that's one story we can go out there and we can do some uh pre-acquisition but when we go through through and have to acquire it through an eminent domain process we need to have the federal documents that allow us to do that and the make sure that we've gone out and we've reached public consensus on what that Transportation solution is going to be there and that way we can move forward all right so do we have a solution do we know what it is so we have our public hearing for that project it's in January and I believe we're coming back to the board in February to discuss what the results of the public hearing were and at that time we can we can lay out the whole schedule and you know where we anticipate the funding to be in what fiscal years all right and so if in my talks with tenia even though you've deferred the right away you have not delayed because we delayed it already I think this year delayed the construction any further yeah so at this point it hasn't moved in our production timeline the con we can we just can't move that anymore I mean we're going to have serious problems okay okay all right thanks all right and then for some bicycle and pedestrian oriented improvements we have uh a couple of them we have sidewalk gaps on in Pasco County these are State Road sidewalk gaps we work with the mo to identify the priority sidewalk gaps and so we just added phase four construction which will be for fiscal year 30 we have The Pedestrian or The Pedestrian overpass at 54 589 uh the Sun Coast Trail construction was deferred to next fiscal year on that one and then Centennial Road we have sidewall construction added in fiscal year 26 here are all the resurfacing projects that are within the county over the next five years they're kind of hard to see but there's a number of them in Pasco County and uh we look forward to getting bringing that infrastructure up to a standard and then traffic signals on US1 19 from south of t or at tutor Lane basically so that is going to be a midblock traffic control system so that way when a pedestrian needs to cross right there we have positive reinforcement for traffic to stop and so that one construction was added in fiscal year 27 and then we have a bunch of miscellaneous two of these are Landscaping which is 75 from 54 to overpass Road the offramp there and then 52 from Sun Coast to 41 typically when we do a construction project we'll come back in 2 years later to do the um Landscaping on that one so both of those have Construction in 27 and then we have some drainage improvements along US 19 Mr chairman commissioner can we go back to those drainage improvements absolutely so we've met with your team um we've met with Swift Mud we've met with a group called Wildwood we were also working on a project up at the Sea Pines uh by stopping at 5A road which is right next to where Wildwood is there's an opportunity to be a connection to get water out from the west side of the east side of 19 out to the Gulf of Mexico I want to see us take care take a closer look at that that should be into this plan it's right next to where you're at uh to add I also would like you guys to go up further to see Pine's Drive we've got a massive project up there there's still water trapped in the side with the improvements we're going to make on the west side that East Side control would actually help a lot of people instead of getting water trapped that can't get to the gulf because of US1 19 it'll help the water get out so cine drive if you can go to that elevation would be great all right yeah I'll have our folks take a look at that and see if we can accommodate that and if I need any more information I'll give you a call okay thank you all right so over the next five years we plan on spending about $422 million in Pasco County these are the various um categories for them now you look and think the bike pad is not as uh high as it should be but the that's the that's not because that's the only investment that we're making when we do a project if it's a resurfacing or capacity project that is the the main work mix on that project we will also be doing some bicycle and pedestrian improvements as well it just doesn't get captured on this uh slide here and here's the schedule for the work program currently we this week we have our online public hearing on Thursday is our inperson online public hearing at the Temple Terrace library so if anybody wants to to swing by it's from 4: to 7 or 3: to 7 at the Temple Terrace Public Library comments from the public are due the 23rd no objections letter is due January 10th and you don't have to have any objections you can tell us we're doing a fantastic job and you you appreciate us we'll take that as well but uh we send the work program to the legislature in early spring and then if it's signed we have July 1st adoption of the tentative work program and then this is the website for the online public hearing and just reminder that any Public public comments are due on December 23rd and just a little safety reminder either early on time or a little late just arrive there safely that's the key so now I'll be happy to take any other questions that anybody may have any questions I got mine in thank you appreciate it all all righty next up we have you have a question so he doesn't have the numbers oh so ten had asked me to discuss why it may appear to have some variability in the amount of funding that comes to Pasco County each year and there there's a couple reasons for that would we I'm sorry man well do you have the numbers compared to prob that was the last minute yeah no I don't have the exact numbers but I can give like a basic General overview of how that works for us so can you lay the table of why I asked for the research yeah okay yes during our meeting um in when we were discussing yesterday we were discussing the uh changes amongst D7 with the um funding increases in decreases amongst the counties in D7 and I would just had some concerns with the up and down as Brian was saying and I was relating that to you so I you know for us we don't live and breed this every day when I was told that you know we're down but um we don't know I don't do you remember your our number from last time I don't so that's why I wanted to understand how much we were down and how does that compare to the other counties and then in the history so that's why I asked for this information so how we fund program or project projects or our basically our funding strategy is we're required to spend proportionate to the population in uh in the region so district 7 has five counties we look at the percentage of population in each County and over a 10-year period we try and make sure that that is appropriate so if you have 25% of the population you get 25% of the funding across the district over that last five years and the next five years and there always be some variability in there because if we have large projects like we've had in Pasco County in the last couple years that um like 50 the new alignment of 5252 between the um Sun Coast and US 41 and projects like that we're required to fund the entire piece of construction in one fiscal year even though construction May last for three or four years the money's encumbered for one year yeah it's encumbered in one year and then we spend it out over the remainder of those years so those years will have a spike in the amount of funding that comes to a particular County and then in other years it may be a little less as that same thing happens in another County but over 10 years we are within a couple percentage points of what the proportionate spending should be within the county so there'll be a couple years where it feels like there's a trend and I understand that that you may be down or you may be up and excited about being up for a couple years or disappointed about being down but over the course we do come in line with that um percentage spending okay and one more question uh well is this is your fiscal year the same as ours sorry for me not we do you're July July to June okay well then my question wouldn't be relative all right so thank you all right yeah Mr chairman if I one more question um I'm going to bring this up at the when the turnike authority gets up here but with the turnik authority used to have all their big Bays that were out there um for for for tow Lanes it's now shifted to the right on one side shifted to the right on the other side um it's about 17 7 17.3 acres and I'm going to bring up the idea in just a few minutes here about looking at that as a like a park and ride type situation going all the way down oh smart how much would do help us to work with the attack authority to actually go look at getting Transportation funds for a bus route going up it's about 23 miles up and back you could almost run it every hour instead of people driving down we could have a bus running north south north south right from there there's enough parking space of maybe as much as 2,000 parking spots there it could leave a lot of traffic up and down the Turnpike Authority and into Tampa where the roadways will go which helps both counties so we do have some legislative um limits on how much we can participate in transit projects we can do 50% of a non-federal share so that usually is about 25% of a total project cost if there is no um Federal share as part of that uh premium Transit service it's usually about 15% is what we are statuto limited as participating but it we have to look at those on a case-by Case basis uh see what the ridership numbers are and all that kind of stuff but it's definitely something we can work on we have a whole group of folks at the department who only work on Transit projects so we'd be happy to have that conversation something we' definitely be interested in looking into okay thank you that's a good idea Jack we'll be working on the TDP with go P trans development plan and that's something that we'll also be looking over and uh I wanted to say to dot the Landscaping on 52 is absolutely beautiful at the last board meeting yall had asked who was going to be maintaining that and the Department's going to be maintaining that Landscaping on the new alignment you're often well um you know we'd love to talk to you about doing that and State Road 54 on the west side all right get some of that on the west side all right welcome commissioner joerger and next up we have um Florida's Turnpike Enterprise fine with the Florida Turnpike Enterprise uh before I begin do you have this screen document at your places yes is that this oh it's no green heading let's see it's yeah have a mer some kind of merge thank sir fine thank you thank you very much thank you thank you City so before I actually start my presentation uh I will address commissioner Mariano's question so as far as Transit goes the turnpike is willing to provide our uh Corridor um as far as the Bays go that's something I would have to check with our team with um but I'm not sure about the turnpike actually funding any type of the transit uh component itself and uh to go through it it's it's more even just the cooperation to take a look at it to go work because obviously you're going to need certain spaces for what you've got going on expansions may come whatever but again with 17.3 Acres we've got all that roadway that used to just be for tow Lanes there's a lot of parking opportunity there's a lot of ways to get there whether it be we could we might even set up our own bus route to go from Ridge Road directly going over there stopping there making the connection up and down uh could come from the other side as well so with both those things coming there's ways for people to get in and get out easier to drop people off and get back in pick them back up so it's going to take us working together and I don't expect it to be done right away but I think we should start talking about it to find out how we can make it work especially with all the expansions you got going on it'll just promote even more traffic and one sense of getting people to use a but actually making the road more productive especially goeing down to the South where it gets congested and that's definitely understood and that's something I uh we can definitely start that conversation I can take that back to um my team and and and see how we can uh progress from here okay thank you so again SEI find with the Florida Turnpike Enterprise uh thank you for the opportunity to present the Enterprises tentative work program for fiscal year 2020 6 to fiscal year 2020 uh 2030 in Pasco County the Enterprise is proposing to fund over $19 million in major projects as part of the fdot Florida's Turnpike uh considers the five pillars of the fdot compass When developing our work program the pillars are safety resiliency supporting a robust supply chain uh technology Workforce Development and this is all built around our communities to help meet the state's Transportation needs the Enterprise primarily receives funding through user tolls uh as well as concessions at our service plazas um so these service plazas you'll note will is primarily on our Turnpike Mainline the turnpike must uh first pay for operations and maintenance cost first so this includes the cost to collect and process toll payments then we must invest Revenue into renewal and replacement projects so these are our resurfacing projects or any reoccurring uh improvements on our roadways finally the Enterprises use uses the remaining funds to pay for Capital Improvement projects and these Capital Improvement projects are our widening projects our interchange projects or any expansion projects that we may have before I talk some more about the tenative work program uh I would like to update you on the status of the Sun Coast Parkway extension so the Sun Coast Parkway extension goes from uh the Terminus at State Road 44 all the way to US1 19 at Red level so the Sun Coast Parkway from State Road 44 to County Road 486 uh which is that dotted green line on the map so that project is actually under construction now yay uh does it have overp bike pet overpasses on it uh I believe everything is at grade uh going north of 44 so um and then the Sun Coast Parkway from County Road 46 to County Road 495 which is that pink portion on the map that you see there will be under construction by the first quarter of 2025 and then the Sun Coast Parkway from County Road 495 to us us9 uh which is that light green portion that you see there on the map will be under construction by the third quarter of calendar year 2025 so ultimately these projects will complete the 83 mile long State Road 589 Corridor that runs from Hillsboro County all the way up to Citrus County Florida's Turnpike system consists of limited access facilities and provides Florida's residents and visitors with a safe efficient and affordable means of travel Turnpike facilities are in six fdot districts and are in 20 counties in Florida in Pasco County we have 20 miles of existing Turnpike managed toll facilities that is all on the Sun Coast Parkway so this presentation that I'm actually giving is actually based on this green document right here uh this document is actually really important this presentation is just is more of like a a tool used to uh push the audience back to reading this document so this document is the turnpikes district 7 tenative work program summary so this encompasses projects in the Hillsboro County Pasco County Hernando and citus counties uh so basically everywhere that the turnpike has a facility in the district 7 area so speaking about this document there are three parts to this document um and I'm talking more about the readability of the document so what you should look for and what it means to you so on page one you'll see that there's this table on top so those are our current construction projects so the these projects are are currently under construction now or will be under construction in the current fiscal year then you have from Pages two through four all these projects that you see these are our uh construction funded projects so these projects aren't under construction but they have Associated construction funding to these projects so not under construction now but they have construction funding within the 5 years of the tenative work program and then on page seven you'll see there is a final table so these are our funded projects without construction so these are projects that may have PDN design or RightWay funding but do not have construction funding associated with these projects these are projects that you can look forward to having in the future uh once you know once we have that construction funding they will be added to the main tables um of those projects that have construction funding can can when's a good time to ask a question you're going to go list them through them here okay right so going over those main table projects the uh projects that have constru R funding within the 5 years uh the turnpike actually has a one project in Pasco County and that is the resurfacing of the sun Co Parkway from M poost 28.5 to M poost 37.3 or from State Road 52 in Pasco County to State Road 50 in Hern uh in Hernando in Hernando County Mr chairman commissioner so you're going to spend $2 M million to Recon uh resurface these this project um M we we're doing some of our roads with a spray Jack technology where we think we get a better Bond better coefficient the data shows that it's a better product it's going to last longer uh I've asked you to look at that going into it has your uh has the ter prodct Authority looked at actually looking at that to bring that into part of your reserving to get a better life better quality product so in and I believe this was addressed last year by uh uh district 7 staff but we share the same materials office and they did review uh that technology or they were reviewing it back then um I don't know at where they're at with that I can find out the status but uh I know they were reviewing that technology um is it cheaper as far as resurfacing works the cost is less than like a half percent and you get a the product goes down where you put the spray jet tack goes down first the asphalt goes right over the top no truck drive over at any time so you get a pure Bond all the way through it's an easier construction a simple construction and we've used it on 581 we've used it on Hudson Avenue we've used it on Little Road so I mean busy roads and uh we're anticipating we're going to a longer life which is going to save us money which again $20 million to do us I I would like to see use it even if you just use us let us be a template for you to do a test on it um I I think it' just would' be a great way to go for the future mhm I mean the been using over overseas for years we're just not bring the technology your bigger companies don't want to see it because they don't want to go spend the money for the extra equipment we've actually got a local company right here that's got the equipment got the technology that could add it so so I can find the status of uh where we're at with that with our materials office thank you um question in Hernando is that what you're doing you're resurfacing the Sun Coast in Hernando mhm all the way from so it starts in Pasco on 52 and then all the way to 5050 uh in so you have to resurface that new part already um in in Citrus uh only in Hernando it's up to State Road 50 in Hernando County okay so this this is construction costs and citrus CU that no that's already built it's built to for what is what are you spending $ 280 million on in Citrus just curious oh that is oh that is the project from that is the Expansion Project that I uh mentioned can you put the map back up 44 486 right there so that light green portion that you see on the screen um that is new roadway construction is that in Citrus County or is that in Levy County that's in County so sou Le I think that's in another County unless I'm mistaken no it's it's still in it's still in Citrus it's wow that's a big County okay I see L's on top of that dashed line English is where you go in okay so that $280 million is actually for the portion that light green portion from County Road 495 to us19 uh all new roadway construction okay and the orange as well uh the Orange is is that other project on page two which is has $3.8 million I see it programmed okay all right well that'll be nice when we're drive to Tallahassee for sure okay so so the the next table that I'll go over is the uh funded projects without construction funding or the table that's on page seven so this project uh on page seven that is in Pasco County is the widening of the Sun Coast Parkway from the Hillsboro Pasco County Line to north of State Road 54 this project has design funding in fiscal year 2027 in the amount of $14.8 million um so this is actually new funding this was added this year the reason why it's in this table is because that we have designed funding for the widening but we do not have any construction funding associated with this widening for more information on all projects in the turnpikes tenative work program you can visit the fdot work program public hearing website uh and download the district 7 public hearing report um turnpikes tenative work program projects can also be found on the Florida turn pike.com uh and before I go I'd like to share a safety minute with you so during this festive time of year it's important that we all uh take care of each other on our shared roadways uh so that we can all arrive alive this season uh with that being said uh i' like to again thank you guys and if there are any questions I'll take those down Mr starky I was wondering if U maybe the next time we see you if you could give us some numbers if you I'm sure you must track the the uh usage um I'm wondering how Ridge Road has maybe helped the 54 uh interchange and it seems to me when I'm driving on the Sun Coast it's much more pop populated than it used to be so I'm just wondering how the numbers are on it MH I remember when it opened and everyone thought it was going to be a boondoggle you remember that I can I can definitely uh provide those numbers uh as a responds back to the no and they can uh convey it back to you yeah M I certainly use it in getting here and it does cut off a lot of time it a great way to come yeah commissioner Mariana yes so just looking at the the last item you just talked about with the uh widening of the Sun Coast Parkway from 582 to Hillsboro Pasco County Line $14 million that's just to do the engineering of that road mhm does seem like a lot of money to you yeah I mean it's a it's dirt there's nothing around it there's no Bridges there's no anything it's just like dirt in the ground why does it take so much money to go design it well there there's a lot of uh Development coming into the county as you guys may know um so with that coming in that does kind of uh alter how we will Design our our roadway um there's also other considerations District s projects that we have to coordinate with um and take those into consideration also but I mean you've got from 54 at the interchange going down there's nothing around it the rightaway is already there all the drainage is already set up there there's nothing really to to work around to go for there's not a bridge out there or anything it's just like dirt on the ground I can't understand why it takes $15 million to go design a road there's one at loots Lake bar right no this's above that this is from hbor county line so from Hillsboro County line up to 54 there's nothing there so everything you're talking about I don't I'm not buying it there's there's really nothing for roadway there's nothing for development to worry about you're just going to expand it to put the lane in there's nothing there it should be nothing to do I mean frankly if you're telling me and we didn't plan for this and now you're going to redo it again I mean maybe we got to re look re look at our procedures so we we have a design Horizon year of uh 2050 so we're actually building our road roadway to be as sustainable for 2050 um not just you know the meantime it's kind of long range like that but I'm going back too when this thing was designed I got to think that you guys thought maybe you're going to get more than two lanes out there at some point maybe you're going to put the drainage in place like we did at state road 56 yeah that's like a mile maybe even a mile really oh that design is only for for that portion okay [Music] m i mean we we we were doing state road 56 years ago it was first going to be two lanes then we made it to go four we actually designed it for six we've already put the drainage in for the Six coming in so when we come in all we do is adding the two lanes going right in are you telling me that you guys didn't plan for this to be six Lanes at some point in time well it's because of the uh the incoming development but you're missing what I'm saying there's nothing there the roadway is there there the rightway's got to be there everything's in place there's nothing around there's no extra construction work I just can't believe that you guys didn't plan that this would be starting with two lanes and never going to three I got to think that you would you would have set that up did you guys set it up for six is just something that just let's go do it now and that's the thing we're actually widening it to eight lanes for this portion okay so even so even eight Lanes even better but you're telling me you didn't plan on this ahead of time uh the planning process is ever changing so it's with with anything that's additional like development and stuff those are added consideration keep saying development but there's no development there there's nothing around there all the RightWay is going to be there you're going to be internal to that so so what I'm talking about is the that medical uh the the the medical facilities that are coming in in the area uh how about Spiros huh you talking about Spiros uh I believe the yeah yeah what's that got to do with County Line Road to State Road 54 because they will be using our our roadways also all right I'm just talking about physical construction I'm talking about you put the roadway when this thing was designed many many years ago when it was going to come in they're going to start with two lanes if you had planned to go to four I would have think you would planned that from the get-go mhm are you telling me that we didn't plan for that no we we we did plan originally when we were um uh when we had this project in PDN the POR from the County Line Road 254 was planned for six Lanes originally but even that changed to eight Lanes when we went out and we did our you know public Outreach to our stakeholders and the developers and for for anything that's up incoming now whether that be housing whether that be new Industries coming to Pasco County Pasco County being one of the highest growing counties in the country so well for maybe for the a second of time maybe you can get us some more information about how that whole process works and what you guys are looking at maybe um to help help understand I guess we'll do all right any other questions all right thank you sir thank you all righty uh other business uh next meeting is January 9th on the east side um anything else before we injour Mr chairman yes commissioner so if we could could you put the put the picture up I just want everyone to see it quick second MH so this is the map from the point of where the dot where the dot used to have their big toll lanes that were in there that taken away so now you get all that space in that's total of 17 Acres just at a rough guess could be as many as 2,000 parking spots depending how it lays out but my thinking is if you can get people into that area uh whether it come from the North or the South driving in there instead of having driving all the way down to the airport and back you could save a lot of traffic running down there back and forth you could probably put a commuter service in a lot of cities do it from different points I know up in the Boston area from Framingham uh which is in about probably 30 mil they go back and forth people get off the airport they take what they call the Logan Express it goes right to Framingham it drops people off instead of people even having to drive into the city to to pick people up they just pick them at the rural air outout to the side they're in they're out there's a rental car thing that was set up there it's real quick and easy and again just thinking about as I was taking a friend to the airport the other day or come talk about them going to the airport I'm looking at I'm going this is something we could use so I want to I'm going to make a motion that we asked do uh with the Turnpike Authority and and and our staff and our team to go look at putting a plan together to try to bring something back to us on a proposal second all in favor I thank you all this could be a program for all of the turnpikes and that that have this kind of new technology now all right thank you good idea anything else Mo to a journ move thank you that yeah [Music] [Music]