Lisa is here. >> How y'all doing? >> How you? >> Good morning. >> Doing all right. >> Yep. I'm working on two more CNU people since you you busy. >> Got nine so far. >> That's wonderful. How's it going?
>> Um commissioners, >> um, our AA in charge of development, >> David Eng, >> our central programming guy, >> Chuck Ray, Jamie Gerardy, and Derek,
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when they couldn't get there and I'm like, nobody reached out to try to res. We're not occupying the property. So, it's like, you know, like we didn't even >> Yeah. So, that was uh that was kind of on them, I think. >> Got to be close.
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>> It's okay. You'll learn so much and and if >> we're all good to go. >> All righty. See? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And they're like, they give us the lights. We'll call this meeting to order of the MO. Uh, good to have everyone with us
today. We do ask that you silence your cell phones, your electronic devices, and just let everyone know our meeting today is being broadcast. And following today's meeting, it will be available on the county's website. This time, let's please rise for the invocation, remain
standing for the pledge of allegiance. Gracious God, we invite you into our discussions today. Unite our hearts and guide our conversations with wisdom and patience. Help us to seek solutions that honor you and benefit everyone involved. In your name, amen. >> Amen.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Welcome everyone. At this time, we'll
ask the clerk to call the role, please. >> Mayor John Eric Hoover >> here. >> Councilman Smith. >> Councilman Matt Murphy >> here. >> Commissioner Ron Oakley >> here. >> Commissioner Seth Weightman.
>> Commissioner Katherine Starky >> here. >> Commissioner Lisa Joerger >> here. Commissioner Jack Mariano >> here. >> Chairman Scott Black >> here. >> Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This time we have a period of time set aside for public
comment. If anyone would like to speak at this time, we do ask that you limit your comments to three minutes, but this is certainly your time. Has anyone signed up to speak at this point? Okay. Hearing none, is there anyone in the audience that would like to address the MO at this time?
Seeing none, we will close the public comment and we'll move into our next item of business, which is the approval of the minutes. >> Move for approval. >> We have a motion to approve. Do we have a second? We have a motion and a second to approve the minutes as distributed. No additions or corrections to be made.
>> Yes, >> I put it there that the minutes have not been received yet for the last board meeting. We don't actually have a minute to approve. Well, we'll hold that motion until the next meeting. Thank you. Save it. We'll save it. >> We'll bring that one back later. At this
time, we'll have our NO advisory committee reports. Our citizens advisory committee. Mr. Ryan, Tom Ryan, welcome. If you could give us the citizens advisory committee report, please, sir. >> Good morning, chairman. Uh, board members. I'll make it quick. uh the
citizen advisory uh committee met uh on March 4th and during our meeting we approved the uh previous meetings minutes uh that was uh meeting held on February 4th. Uh we heard a report what
occurred at the February 12th MO board meeting. Four action items were voted on. New at large member Dr. Terry Nelson was approved. Uh the unified planning work program was approved. The FDOT joint certification report was reviewed
and approved. The fiscal year 26 community transportation um coordinator designation was approved. Uh we had two presentations. The advantage 19 phase one presentation from Ford Penelis. The freight plan phase 2 presentation was
also heard. Uh that's the report. I'm here for any questions. >> Thank you, Mr. Ryan. Any questions for uh Tom regarding the citizens advisory committee report? >> Thank you very much. Have a great day. >> Appreciate it. >> Technical advisory committee Cynthia
Spyel, welcome. >> Good morning. So, um other than our usual business, we had met as well on March 4th. Um but you're about to get a presentation from Benes on the truck route freight corridor plan and we took a hard look at that. Um we our overall
findings were that we thought it was a little sparse because it really just kind of showed the major arterial highways and uh ridge road. So we suggested that the Lauren Rage transportation plan and the vision roads be overlaid on it to continue to find additional opportunities for freight and
truck. Um and in particular the city of Zephr Hills um asked to have Chance uh the four laning from Chanse and 54 over to 98 be added. So, and they sent that information directly to Benesh and the MO. Um, and we also talked about
potentially having it reviewed one year in advance of the LRTP update, you know, as a general rule of thumb. And with that, um, we didn't really have anything to note other than our standard course of business. And happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you, Cynthia. Any questions for
Miss Fidel? Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee. >> Good morning, Angel of Pasco and PO staff. The bicycle pedestrian advisory committee met on March 4th and they did
have a quorum. The committee voted to approve the UPWB obligation amendment, the FDOT joint certification review report and the fiscal year 26 CTC designation. The committee also reviewed an overview of the excuse me um the committee also
received an overview of phase one of the advantage 19 project and a presentation on phase two of the Pasco MO freight plan and this concludes my feedback update. Do you have any questions? >> Very much. Any questions for Angel? Thank you Ma. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate >> it.
>> Action items. We have five action items today. The first is approval of the new regular member of the citizens advisory committee, Mr. Hoffman. >> Good morning everybody. My name is Sean Hoffman from the Pasco NO. Um, at our last citizen advisory committee, we
approved a new atlarge board member, Dr. Terry Nelson. He comes to us with decades of civil service experience and a PhD. Um, our recommendation is that the uh no board move to approve the new atlarge member, Dr. Secretary Nelson. >> Thank you. Move.
>> We have a motion. We have a second. We have a motion. Have a second. Any discussion on this nominee? Hearing none. Uh, all those in favor, please signify by saying I. >> Those opposed? Nay. Thank you. Thank you, Sean. Next item, item three, unified planning
work program. This is a deobligation amendment fiscal year 2025-2026. >> Good morning everybody. Lori Shadiger, Pasco NPO. My bienial review recommends the obligating 800,000 in fiscal year 26 PL funds lowering the contract from 3.4
to 2.6 million. These funds will be reallocated within the fiscal year 27PL budget effective October 2026 to support active transportation sub area and ADA plans. We are looking for an approval. >> Thank you. Any questions or comments on
this item? >> One question. Commissioner Mariano, >> what was the reason for the um the obligations for why was it spent 800,000 less? >> We just couldn't get enough. We couldn't get enough work done in the time frame. Uh too low hands, not enough people. Um
too much work. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Further questions, comments? What's the pleasure of the board? Do we have a motion to approve? Move approval. We have a motion. We have a second. Very good. Thank you. >> All those in favor, please say I. I. >> Those opposed, nay. Thank you. Thank
you, Lori. Item four, the community transportation coordinator CTC designation fiscal year 26. Miss Gorman. >> Good morning, board. This morning, I will be presenting the community transportation coordin coordinator
designation for fiscal 26. Um, under the Florida Transportation Disadvantage Program, the MO is responsible for designating a community transportation coordinator who administrates and coordinates transportation services for individuals who may have limited
mobility options. These services support residents such as the elderly, seniors, low individuals with disabilities, lowincome individuals, and other transportation disadvantaged populations. The community transportation coordinators works with
local agency and service providers uh to ensure that the transportation services are received and they're effective and efficient. Um the designation is required uh every 5 years uh to come before the Pasco MO, the BOCC and the
TDLCB for renewal. So the next time you will hear this, it'll be May 30th of 2031. So um at this time we are asking for recommended approval for fiscal 26 for go Pasco to continue to be the
community transportation coordinator. >> Very good. Thank you Miss Gorman. Any questions or comments at this time to approve? >> We have a motion. Do we have a second? We have a motion. We have a second. All those in favor please say I. I. >> Those opposed? Nay. Thank you.
Under uh item five advantage 19 phase one. Miss Gorman. >> All right. So I'm going to introduce our presenters today uh for the advantage 19 phase one. We met with many of you this week uh to kind of review the plan. Uh this initiative focus on advancing
planning efforts along the state road 19 corridor and surrounding transportation network. The purpose of the advantage 19 is to evaluate opportunities to improve mobility, connectivity, and economic development along the corridor while addressing future transportation needs.
Phase one of this effort focuses on the following. Identifying transportation needs along the corridor. Evaluating potential transportation improvements, coordinating with regional and local partners, and supporting future project development. This planning effort will guide long-term transportation
improvements along the corridor and identify regional connectivity. So, at this time, I will welcome up the Ford Panelis team as they present on advantage 19 phase one. >> Welcome. if you could both state your name and your titles for the record.
>> Yes. Good morning. I'm Kyle Simpson from For Penellis, a planner with the agency. >> Welcome. >> And good morning. My name is Nicole Galasso and I'm a principal planner with Forward Penelis. >> Thank you. Welcome. See this works. So yeah, we're here to talk to you about uh the advantage US19. Um so the purpose of
the study was to build upon previous work done by Tibarta, who was the Tampa Bay Area Regional Transit Authority. um they were looking at corridors throughout the Tampa Bay region back in the kind of late uh 2010s and then the early 2020s and one of the corridors was
US19 from State Road 52 in Pasco County down to the gateway area of St. Petersburg and Penllis County. Um, so we kind of are furthering that work uh with a bunch of stakeholders in Pasco County. That's included, uh, the county planning
department, uh, Go Pasco, the Pasco MO, um, city of Newport Richie among others. Um, this is phase one of the study. So, this phase looks more at the land use around potential station locations and how that land use could support uh, a
transit service in the future. Phase two would look at what that transit service exactly would be. Um how how it would operate, what it would cost to operate, potential funding options, things like that. Um so in the plan, we looked at the existing conditions of the corridor.
Um identifying where those stations should go based on uh previous work done and then looking at current market uh conditions. Uh created a TOD framework. So transit oriented development. The goal is basically create areas that would support the transit service and
then figuring out how we would implement that vision. Uh so the the report itself is broken out into those four chapters. Um and then Nicole is going to talk about how we went through the station selection or no I am sorry she will get there next.
So with an express bus service um you really want three to five miles between a station. that is to keep the travel time competitive with what it would be if someone were to drive themsself. Um so if you get a station every say like half or one mile apart, the bus stops
too often. Um we're really looking for those regional trips with this service and it would complement existing local service. So the intent is not to replace anything that exists today. This would support people trying to get from their home to jobs. uh and so in the previous study that
TBarta did, they had identified 15 potential sites. We wanted to bring that down to between seven and 12 to achieve that desired station spacing. And so that was the uh kind of basis for this and why we looked at uh which stations
would have the best potential uh from a land use and economic development standpoint to support that transit service. Um some of the criteria we looked at were um soft sites. Think of that as like a a retail that's kind of past its prime. Um the land use of the
site might be worth more than the building that's on it today. Um the regulatory framework within the county or city that it's located in. Does the existing zoning or future land use support kind of, you know, more intense use of that that land? What are the
existing sidewalk and bike networks around the station? And what local transit service exists today? uh the community characteristics. This could be things like uh local colleges, uh libraries, parks, things like that. Uh and then transit demand. So we looked at
the existing writership and demand for uh PSTA and Penelis County and then go Pasco uh and Pasco County. Um so from that um we identified uh 12 station locations. Um, so the ones in Pasco County are around the State Road 52
intersection, Fox Hollow, uh, Drive, Main Street, and Newport Richie, uh, and then Moog Road. >> Can I stop for a second, Mr. Mr. Mariano? So, tell me about the 52. You got from 52 all the way down to Fox Hollow. >> Where are you actually looking? Are you looking at the Fox Hollow where we're
going to >> possibly do something there or >> Yeah. Um so we worked um there was a lot of discussion with Go Pasco on those exact station locations and we wanted to pair where Go Pasco had plans for future uh improvements and I believe is it Foxh
Hall where there's the park and ride planned? >> Yes, the the the >> Is that the right place for >> it? Station transfer transfer >> transfer station. >> It's so close to 52 miles. Is that a good place?
>> It's close to 52. Can you explain the >> Is that what you're thinking, Jack? >> Well, >> they're still close to >> even still like even the first line it says from 52 to Fox Hollow. So, they haven't even picked where they're going to be yet. >> And then, >> sorry. So, those station areas were at
the intersection of US 19 and State Road 52 and then at the intersection of Fox Hollow and 19. Um, so that was the >> that's the segment. >> Okay. So, just a quick thing as far as that that segment goes, are you looking to go into the mall that's there or the land to the south?
>> So, the um we identified the general that intersection right now. And so, I know Cole will get into we're looking at a station on each side of the road. And so, 19 is kind of a uh don't want to call it's a big road. And so, we kind of
envision two separate developments, if you will, on each side. >> That's good for the tax base. Well, yeah, >> but keep this in mind. One of the things that we had problem in why we're moving from the Gulf Mall to here is the mall decided they didn't want it. >> So, we I don't know if we have
discussions with the mall that's over there. Now, the land down below, I think with Luchium owns part of it and if we work a program with them, we may end up getting that land soon, which means we'd have the land for free and then you could look at doing something there as well, especially commercial, >> right? Yeah. So, this plan is a pretty
high level in terms of setting up a framework of what our county and local governments could look to. Um, we're not like the NPOS's won't be the ones who implement this. Um, we're developing it as a service and a resource to our local partners um that would then need to
implement it through their zoning and econom economic development strategies. Okay. Is now a good time to bring up about additional stop potential or should we wait till the end? >> The more stops you had then it's not an express.
>> Well, I get that, but I guess that conversation I had earlier in the week with um about Port Richie that our waterfront is right there developing. We've got 104 unit town home development going to be right there on on 19. Our waterfront's developing. That project alone is going to expand to about $150
million project with mixed use commercial residential and there's other properties obviously for sale and I think once that happens that area is going to start to to uh develop very very rapidly. Um I think it's shortsighted that we don't have a stop there at the waterfront um especially with all the developments going to be
happening. So >> good morning Ning Pasco director. So to your point yes we will have a bus stop there. We actually do and we will uh realign some of our um bus stops to serve that purpose. This is a project more for an express route. So they will
have fewer bus stops. They will not be utilizing our regular bus stops in regards of the transfer station for Fox and Fox Hollow. That's a transfer station that is going to have the capacity to have five buses to meet five to six buses that will meet. But those are the local routes. We're talking
about express route that will be about 50 minutes headways, right? I believe about that. But yes, >> so a person that wanted to live there and work in St. Pete, they could just get on the other bus and get to one of these stops and then get on the rapid bus.
>> Oh, I see. >> Yeah, that's like a commuter bus. >> Yeah. Okay. So, this is when I turn it over to Nicole. >> Okay. Good morning again. Again, my name
is Nicole Galasso, principal planner with Forward Penelis. Um, so I am going to attempt to distill the 200page report that you have in your packet into just a few slides. Um, and please feel free to to stop me and ask questions. I I love
how conversational um the presentation already is. So the uh overarching purpose of phase one of this study, like Kyle said, is to really identify opportunities where we can more effectively integrate new development
with an enhanced transit service and create that um symbiotic relationship between the two. Uh so for phase one we you know set some visioning goals which was to one establish a transit supportive land use and design framework
that again each of the local governments along the corridor could take up and pick and choose what makes sense for them and eventually implement um as you know market and and physical trends on the ground evolve. um assess the
development capacity on select soft sites to um in each of the station typologies based on a market analysis. That way we could ensure that our recommendations were grounded in market realities and would be feasible from at
least a market perspective. provide high-level transit supportive recommendations for land use and zoning um with a contextsensitive approach and then visualize at a high level again um
what that could look like if any of those recommendations were implemented in the future. And so um like any like any good to plan we started by taking a look at highle mobility and highle land use
recommendations. So on the mobility front the goal of course is to um provide everyone who lives works or visits places along the US19 corridor with uh more convenient and accessible options for getting around. And there's
a real focus on connectivity both within the station area locations as well as between them and to the neighborhoods and activity hubs that surround those intersections. And so how are we going to do that? um
each of the the local governments or the two NPOs will look at expanding um choices and enhancing connectivity through different mobility capital improvements over time. And some of those might include new streets um and
midblock crossings. And the purpose of that is to create a more a human scale um route between various locations. um looking at additional sidewalks and bike lanes and micro mobility options to
create those first and last mile connections. Um as mentioned, you know, this is an express service, so it can only stop in so many locations, but how can we get people to those locations um quickly and safely? And um also
intersection improvements. Obviously, anyone who has driven or walked or rode a bike down US19 knows that it is a huge barrier for actually crossing over US19. So, how can we reduce turn conflicts and promote visibility for all who are using
the roadway? And then finally, traffic calming measures um and streetscaping and beautifification in areas where it makes sense um just to create a more safer and comfortable public realm. And so then um those are you know the
highle set of recommendations. We also dove in to each of the selected station um areas which is a/4 mile around the intersection. So we have an example up here from main street in US19. Um and we identified some specific mobility
improvements that the city of Newport Richie Pasco County and the Pasco MO can consider over time. Um and again the real focus here was how can we get people to safely cross US19 and also connect um the the stations to the
existing neighborhoods and activity hubs Sims Park downtown Newport Richie um to you know draw activity to that area. Um and you'll see here on the map we have some the the red lines that you see
those are potentially new streets as um sites redevelop. You know there's an opportunity to work a development agreement out to create um more of that street grid and and more accessible and convenient routes. Um you'll see a dashed green line that's a potential new
multi-use path or trail that can connect to the existing trails in the area and parks. Um and then of course intersection safety at Main Street in US19 as well as uh Main Street and River Road, the gateway to downtown Newport Richie. >> Mr. Chairman,
>> Commissioner Mariano. >> So as you mentioned Port Richie at at US 19, there's at where the Cody River comes under, we've got an underpass that we're working on getting that funded. uh as far as like connecting as far as like coming across 19 is probably nothing safer than going under and probably
probably less expensive than any overpass you'd ever build. Is that anything that you guys have looked at yet or made recommendations too? >> So we have had a conversation about how can we get pedestrians to safely cross US 19. I know a pedestrian bridge the
more overpass option was thrown out there. I personally haven't heard of the underpass option. That's intriguing. Um but those are the types of improvements that would be worked out um you know with with Pasco City of Newport Richie and the Pasco MO to um explore the
opportunities of how that could be funded um and what type of coordination would would be needed to make that happen. >> I will tell you a little disturbing knowing that you don't even know about that program. It's >> not at the the >> that's not at this stop. This is that main street.
>> No, but if they're talking about crossways, etc., this is something maybe they should be adjusting with. >> Not not for the BRT. >> Yeah. Although you can you can get to the side of the street that if we may have a trail on the side of US 19, that's where people can get under 19 and
come down to the main street stop. Um, but you can't have a stop. You This is a commuter bus, not a regular service bus. So, you can't have a lot of stops. It defeats the purpose. >> So I guess I'm struggling here.
Obviously Port Richie growing. There's going to be jobs there. Uh it's a it's a focal point of >> West Street or Port. >> Well, I think you need both actually to be honest with you. >> Well, you can't do that for a commuter. >> It's headways will slow down and I mean it would slow the line
>> down. It wouldn't it'd be just a regular bus that we already have. >> There's already a bus that will do that. It's just not the bus that goes rapid to >> say downtown, >> right? But people people want to come to the waterfront obviously um that
you got to go to a city and experience when you pick a train that's going from one place to another. You can take the A train which gets you there in one hour or you can take the B train that gets you there in a half hour. And if you're trying to get here, you're going to take the B train because it's less stops.
>> Understood? >> Yeah. So, it's not that there isn't a stop, it's just there's there's different >> options. She got it >> and and DOT is putting midblock crossings in in the county part of 19. There's another one going up, I think, in Port Richie.
>> Uh there's another one going up by me in Gulf Harbor right now. And I know as US19 continues to um see see improvements over time, the design of of those improvements will consider and and take into account the fact that there's
um also a plan for express bus service and it'll be designed to to accommodate that as well as potentially future improvements. Um you know, one of the approaches we take as planners is incrementalism. So you have to start somewhere and you hope that you can
generate success around that you know initial plan and over time if it is such a huge success there could potentially be opportunities to add stops or or enhance infrastructure. Um but you know just as this being phase one um this is
you know kind of this the starting point and hopefully it's a success and it evolves over time. We we went through this in Tarta working on the BRT on 75. >> So um now to get into the the land use recommendations which is really the the
purpose of phase one was to look at those transit oriented development opportunities. Um so the the goal for that is to facilitate redevelopment that would support um transit service and other mobility options while still remaining flexible and responsive to the
context of each community. So we're really looking at redevelopment that focuses on new housing, employment, recreational entertainment opportunities, all to spur economic development for each of the eight local governments along the corridor. as well
as site design. So at a property level that will promote internal circulation as well as external connectivity to the other um developments and neighborhoods surrounding the intersection. Um and of of course looking for opportunities to
incorporate multimodal facilities. And just like with mobility, we zoomed in to each of the station areas and um you know set this highlevel land use vision for how redevelopment could unfold. So again sticking with the intersection of
US19 and Main Street. The um real goal there is to enhance those connections um uh to the community amenities in that area. Um, we're looking at, you know, mixeduse development where appropriate with groundf flooror retail housing or
or even, you know, kind of professional offices on the second or third stories and enhancing green spaces and complementing those green spaces and parks that already exist in the area. Um, another big part of the land use
framework is acknowledging all of the planning efforts that have already been done in the area. The city of Newport Richie um has done some wonderful work in redeveloping their downtown. So this plan isn't to overhaul what the local
governments already have in place. It's to complement it and identify opportunities to just take it that you know one next step to really um focus on the transit supportive element and that potential that comes along with it.
Uh so um to again make sure we ground all of these recommendations in reality, we conducted a market analysis. Um we looked at the five submarkets you see there on the map and we looked at supply and demand um in the regional real
estate and labor markets. Um as well as looked at a 30-year historical growth pattern for each of those five submarkets um across multif family, residential, hotel, retail, and office. And what we found is that the um types
of development that show the um greatest growth over that 15y year period into the future will be multif family and office probably unsurprisingly because as we know we have people moving to the Tampa Bay area all the time. So there
will continue to be a strong demand for um residential and multif family apartments. And then um you know Panelis and Pasco both have less office space than their counterpart in Hillsboro. So there could potentially be demand um for
for more office space in Pasco and Penllis counties as well. Um and then we also took a look at okay well if we want to um try to attract new office and employment uses what industries are showing the fastest growth and those are
predominantly office using um finance and insurance professional services and health care which doesn't always mean hospitals it could be you know those smaller professional offices or even administrative offices >> just commissioner Mariana has
>> oh sure I apologize I think you got your >> mixed up. Yeah. >> Yeah. You said of State Road 52 should be Fox and then Main Street down below. >> Fox Hollow and Main. >> Oh, yes. The labels are switched. Thank you, so funny. You stare at a slide for so long and you don't catch things like
that. So, thank you. Um, we'll be sure to to make that change. Um so uh the conclusion really of of the market study was that development that focuses on residential and employment uses and complimentary neighborhood
serving and employment serving retail uses is going to most likely attract interest from the private devel development community um especially you know in in the southern segments of US19 and around the intersection of of Main
Street in US19 just because there's already um so much growth that you know this could piggy back off of. And so then we get into the actual recommendations that the local governments can take up to um incentivize or or facilitate
redevelopment. So again, we're looking at 11 stations along a 35 mile corridor and there's eight different jurisdictions along it. So we developed station typologies to recognize a contextsensitive approach to
redevelopment. Um and and the purpose of that is you know we can't look at every individual zoning code and future land use plan. But what we can do is create a toolkit and allow the planning staff at each of those local governments to pick
those up and decide what makes sense for my community. You know what makes sense in the gateway area of St. compete may not make sense at Fox Hollow Drive. Um so that's why you know we kind of created a framework where you can step down. Um so we will be focusing on the
regional center and neighborhood center because that's where the Pasco station areas are. Um there's also a third typology which is the highest in intensity and density. Um and you can see some of some of those numbers there. Um so let's get into the regional
center. So, what I'm going to present to you, um, you'll you'll see a visualization and it's actually for East Bay Drive in US19 in Largo, but State Road 52 is within this typology. So, think about how can some of these
recommendations carry forward and make sense for State Road 52. Um the focus here is on both vertical and horizontal mix of uses. Um providing open space and um community gathering opportunities and
to really spur economic opportunity um and looking at those largecale parcels where you can really get a a developer in to create you know a new kind of master planned sort of development um that includes all of those amenities.
So, for each of these kind of visioning exercises, we did a plan view, which is what you're looking at, like as if you're looking down um from the sky. And some of the um land uses you'll see called out are our office. You'll see
kind of this greenway, central plaza um where you would have, you know, vehicles, people biking and walking. Um you'll also see some uh residential opportunities as well as office. And of course, still retail because anyone who
drives down US19 knows um it's a commercial corridor and we're certainly not saying that big box stores should go away. Just that maybe we could look at how can we design them or incentivize developers to design them to where they
complement a more walkable, comfortable and active um pedestrian realm. So after we did that plan view, we then extruded it in 3D. So you can really start to see the scale um of what redevelopment could
look like under those um recommended densities and intensities. And what you see here is um you know 6 to eight stories. It's a little over a 2.0 F. Um and the density ranges between 50 and 60
units per acre. Um I'm happy to report that when we spoke with Pasco County, we know um Pasco is doing its uh comprehensive plan update that the recommendations that were put forward for this station typology were aligned with um some of those updates. So we
were we were really happy to hear that. >> Not everyone on this panel Oh, thank you. is going to know what uh F is. So could you explain that to some? >> Yeah, absolutely. I apologize uh for my plary terms. So F is floor area ratio.
Um it it's basically the the ratio between the building area and the total site area. So just really simply if you have um you know a 1 acre piece of land and then you have a building on top of
it that's 43,560 ft which is equal to an acre. That would equal a 1.0 F. Um, if you had, let's say, a 10,000 ft² lot and 20,000 square ft of building on top of it, that's a
2.0 F. Um, so while this is a 2.18 F, um, it's it's 6 to eight stories, and that's because this is such a large site. Um, so the larger sites you have, the more you can spread out building area. And it's not like you're getting a
really tall, skinny building on on a tiny little parcel. You know, we're looking at larger scale um redevelopment opportunities around the intersection of US19. And then we took that kind of Massie model and and did this wonderful, you
know, kind of realistic visualization. And you can really start to see how um you know that current corner of US19 could be activated and injected with activity and life um as well as you know increasing the tax base. Um, and I I
will come back to this for Main Street, but just so you have an idea of what you're looking at, we took the findings of the market analysis and compared the test fit buildout to make sure that it's appropriate for what we can expect of
demand in that submarket. And so you'll see the the orange bar is the the test fit and then the blue box is how much development is expected or how much demand is expected um over the 15-year
period. And so the conclusion there is really the the test fit or that buildout is far under what the submarket can capture. um which means that there's still room to spread it around um and and it's appropriate and uh from a
market perspective and feasible. And so now we'll get into the neighborhood center typology. So these are mostly uh residential areas with some commercial along US19. And the vision is to continue to um enhance
green spaces, provide housing opportunities and neighborhoods serving retail and entertainment options um and also look at infill development and redevelopment that will just offer more choices and really foster a sense of
place um as you're you know getting off of off of the bus at these intersections. So you'll notice here that the recommended density and intensity and height is slightly less than the regional center and again that's because of that contextsensitive approach. So for the neighborhood center
we looked at Main Street in US19. Um here you're looking at that plan view and some of the key things to call out are making those connections. um you know having a a mix of uses and community gathering spaces and also
looking at opportunities to connect into some of the recent redevelopment um such as Kaiser University, the new city parking garage as well as um downtown Newport Richie. And so now taking a look at that 3D
massing model um you'll see that it um includes mostly residential which is the yellow um part of the building ground floor retail as well as lots of um you know community gathering areas and green spaces. I do want to also call your
attention to kind of the the bubble in the middle that says public plaza and there's some green space there. When we spoke with the city of Newport Richie, we um we heard about plans to look at storm water mitigation in the area. So, I just want to mention that although
this image is showing a a more park, you know, that might also end up being a storm water retention pond with a walking path or some kind of recreational amenity around it. So, don't take these visuals as gospel. you know, this is more of just a vision and
and there's an opportunity to look at those other future um capital improvement plans and integrate them into this and and work out kind of development agreements with developers and see if they'll even help kind of advance those goals. And so then again, we um took that
Massie model and created a more photorealistic version of it. Um, and I just have to say, you know, I grew up in on Holiday in Newport Richie Golf High School alum. Um, and this would have been amazing uh when when I when I was
living here and um and a teenager here. So, um it's it's really exciting to see what the potential is and that again it is definitely feasible and appropriate from market perspective. So for the kind of new Port Richie, Port Richie
submarket, we see that there could be demand of up to 2 million square ft of new retail in the next 15 years. And that test fit you saw provides just 56,000 square ft of it. So you really
could even, you know, go up a little higher, but we wanted to take that more conservative approach and and see how the market unfolds. Mr. Chairman, >> go ahead. >> Commissioner Mariano, so I'm glad you touched on the the height part because we had Daryl from Carolyn Parkway up to
see the commission probably 15 years ago. >> And one thing he said was along US 19, you've got a great asset. And we said, "What is it?" He goes, "Unt close to the Gulf of Mexico. Once you get up to that fourth, fifth story, you can start seeing sunsets."
>> Yeah. >> He said to go up higher. We took away the height restrictions in the county along that corridor just especially to get more vertical. So what would you say we would need to do? I think these fires need to change to be able to elevate
more, wouldn't they? >> So the recommended range is a 0.5 to 2.5. I think if that was the ultimate goal, you would want to be on the higher end of that range. Um, we had a comment at the the technical advisory committee
that mentioned that once you start doing site improvements for storm water and and parking areas, you know, your actual building area gets constrained, right? You're starting with say one acre, by the time you do storm water and, you
know, driveway access and parking lots. Well, now you're maybe only working with 50% of that, which means that you would need taller buildings. um and a higher F to achieve that type of development. We
wanted to really honor what's you know in place today or what the city of Newport Richie is looking towards in some of their updates. Um so the rendering you see here is at a 1.33 and it ranges between three and six stories.
So if if you got up to that six stories, those sunset views would be unlocked. And it is possible because this is, you know, in the actual site and the actual amount of of building area and F that you see here in in this buildout. So um
>> so in state road 52, the Gulf is like right there. >> Yeah. >> So that site so that mall is going to redevelop up there. >> Y >> that height is going to be dramatic. And as he says, once you hit the fourth, fifth story, the views are much better, the value is much better. What are the
ratios you have down in Panelis compared to what we have on the forest? >> So what um for for State Road 52, that's actually up to a 4.0 F. Let me go back to that. Um so that's actually a 4.0 up
to eight stories. That's aligned with what we have at that Largo station today. Um there are some areas of US19 especially in Clearwater that could go up to 12 stories today that those regulations are in place. 12 stories 150
units per acre and a 5.0 F um and that's kind of around the Drew Street Gulf to Bay um area of Clearwater as well as the Gateway Carolon area in St. Pete. Um so those regulations are
are already in place today. Um, some of some of the others, you know, they still have have room to to grow and maybe upzone over time. Or, you know, one thing we like to recommend is work out a development agreement where you might be flexible on giving a little more height,
giving a little more F to a developer in exchange for public benefits, community amenities, enhanced storm water infrastructure. So that's something that's, you know, detailed more in the plan of how the local governments could
work that out as redevelopment opportunities come up. A developer maybe approaches the city or the county. Those are things to have in mind of would we be okay with, you know, setting a higher limit or offering a bonus bonus height
um or bonus F bonus density. So in exchange, you know, you're giving value to the developer then, right? you're saying you can build more units or you can build more building area that's going to make them money. What can you get in return? Um, in terms of community amenities and and different
infrastructure to support the other goals for the area. >> So, if I'm going to put those bonuses in place, why wouldn't I just put them in the plan up front? Because time is money. And if someone's going to look at something to develop, they're going to say, "Well, I can do this. I can go to the height and it's more expensive the
higher you go, but the value is there, too. it takes a special guy to to want to go up there. Why wouldn't one why would you recommend us to put that in ahead of time? Look at a long-term plan. >> So, it is actually recommended in this plan to do that. Um, and Pasco County is
in a great position right now of working through its Pasco 2050 comprehensive plan update. And I believe they're they're already, you know, looking at that and and identifying those opportunities to offer enhanced um
development incentives. But I I would suggest definitely bringing that up as um the comprehensive plan, you know, update continues and ensuring that that's included in in that future land use plan as well as any future zoning updates.
>> I think we need you need to come work with us. Uh well, you know, I I I love Forward Penelis, but I also love West Pasco. So, this has been a really exciting plan for me to work on. Um so, just to let's see,
I I went way far back. Um so, just to kind of um summarize that market analysis that we were talking about, the point of looking at all of that was to show that the redevelopment test fits are appropriate. They're feasible from a market perspective. the number of
residential units and the square footage that you saw there make up only a small portion of what the corridor could actually handle. So if you wanted to go for more, you could. Um but again, taking that more incremental approach and um leaving those opportunities for
for future growth over time as the transit service takes off and and redevelopment occurs. Um, and then just to kind of put put a fine point on it, we looked at the tax value of what exists today in each of those
intersections that that I presented, East Bay and Main Street, as well as the Drew Street one. Um, and we saw what is the current tax revenue from the development in that um on those properties today. And then we created a
projection of what could it be if they redeveloped at the scale um that was envisioned in this study. And we found that um the local governments have nearly 4 million more tax dollars um tax revenues to gain um if this type of
redevelopment were to occur. And why do we care about that? Well, that's because that's how we're funded as local governments is through tax revenues. Um, so, you know, we just wanted to really make that point that this isn't just to create value for developers um or um you
know, even residents or um business owners. It's also to create value for for local governments so that we can take on public improvements and continue um to enhance the corridor over time. Um, so just to sum it all up, the US19
corridor does show strong demand for additional commercial and residential development, and there's an opportunity to guide that growth that's expected in between our two counties to the areas that are going to be well served by um
multimotal transportation, enhanced or express transit service, as well as housing, jobs, and entertainment and recreational options. the local governments have put a lot of work into kind of laying the groundwork for some of this. Um, and so we just really want
to piggyback on those efforts and and identify those opportunities to take it up to that next level. Um, and additional changes can be made over time as the transit service develops, um, as investment comes to the corridor to support ridership and accommodate, you
know, future market demand. Um, so now I will hand it back to Kyle to finish us off and then we're happy to take any additional questions. >> Thank you. All right. So, uh, just to wrap up, so today we're here seeking your, uh, kind
of approval of, uh, this this plan, um, on our end of the house, we're going to our advisory committees this month and then going to our board, uh, next month for kind of adoption, um, and the authorization to start phase two. So phase two again would look at now that
we know where the stations um would be in phase kind of the imple you know first implementation of this how should we serve it with transit and what that looks like what are the headways what are the runs things like that um and we anticipate that to start in July if authorized
uh and then just to highlight the phase 2 um kind of included scope would be looking at a service plan um with so we work closely with go Pasco and PSTA um and making sure that we have that
tie-in with the existing local service. So both east west and north south again uh we don't anticipate any underlying local service on 19 itself going away. It would only feed in and complement this regional uh service. um we develop
a capital and operating cost um for what's proposed and then how to implement it and then we'd be back here in about a year. With that, we're happy to answer any other questions you might have. >> Thank you, Kyle. Questions for Kyle and
Nicole. Um Mayor Murphy, >> uh just more of a comment. I'm I'm very happy that Dave Ganon, our economic development director, is here from the city, so he can see this firsthand and be part of this. So it helps. I'm thinking maybe he needs to come more often now. Um seems
>> I wish I wish David Angle was here. >> So no, I appreciate him being here. But um yeah, I really like it. There's a lot of good stuff there and like you said, you know, it's going to be tweaked to to kind of fit um what we need in the area. But no, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um you know, I love it and I want to
make the motion to approve. Um we certainly have underutilized >> US19. It needs a whole redo and we've set aside money for enhancement uh and and um uh what's the word? We have money
set aside to help some of this grow for 19. So first one's in get gets the a stab at the kitty. Um but I I move a second with a little more discussion. >> We have a motion. We have a second. Commissioner Marian >> like to say that you know we used to have a transportation concurrency plan
that was on 19. We tax the people coming in. I think it's much better to give them the development strength to come in. >> Oh, >> now recently we had done one. We did what an approval up in Little Road in Denton and we come in and gave them extra density so they could build something a little bit stronger, a little bit better. And I met with them
yesterday. They actually come in and wanted $140,000 a unit and they wanted to be taxfree. It's like not the right approach. This is going to create wealth, going to create tax base, get the better demographics so that when you get a mall like a Gulf View or even
beside it, you get people that can spend money, get better restaurants, get better quality of life for everybody. >> So, I I'm I'm delighted that you guys have looked at that and brought those things forward. >> You know, um under discussion, >> this is kind of how Bright Line got the
funds to do what they're doing. It's really a real estate company. So, I've se I've been to the Bright Line station in downtown Miami. It's a you know, vertical mixed use. Great success in downtown Miami. And um I haven't seen all the other stops. Well, I've seen the
one in West Palm. My son's got two projects right by there. It's really been transformational along the Bright Line Corridor. So, um I expect and hope the same thing for us. >> Very good. I was in on a trip a good
number of years ago with the NO when the light rail was first coming to Charlotte. That's when I first heard about the transentoriented development. What a neat thing each of these stops that were being created along the way making the centers uh retail and residential and just bringing it all
together where the wrership would be right there. And I just think it's so great that that same type of plan can be adapted for the express bus service and that we can do this kind of thing right here in Pasco County. So neat planning. I enjoy this. I I enjoy sitting back and listening to this type of thing. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Okay, we've had a presentation. We had some questions and answers. We have a motion. We have a second. Any further conversation before we call the question? >> Hearing none. What's the pleasure of the board? All those in favor, please say I. I. >> Those opposed? Nay.
>> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> All right. Item six, Pasco County Metropolitan Planning Organization or draft unified planning work program fiscal years 2627 through 2728. Miss Borman. >> All right. Good morning again board. I
am here uh to discuss the UPWP serves as the NO's 2-year work program and budget outlining all transportation planning activities conducted using federal and state planning funds. Uh this document identifies the planning studies, technical work and administrative
activities necessary to support uh transportation planning processes. The work program includes activities related to but not limited uh to program administration management uh federal and state planning requirements, technical transportation studies, regional
coordination, performance performance and safety measures and planning initiatives such as freight safety corridor and active transportation plan. Our current overall budget is 2.63 63 million in federal planning funds primarily consisting of federal highway
planning funds with supporting state funds. Um as discussed previously we had a $800,000 de obligation and that will be moved into the first year to support our planning activities and the staff that we have onboarded because of our exponential growth and all the plans
that we're producing and also our regional merger. We needed that additional staff which could not be done in our previous agreement. So we're moving that funds to support in this next year. So now we have we are almost fully staffed. We have two positions
left and we are very excited for what the new year brings with this contract. So right now staff recommends uh the board staff recommends the board to approve the draft unified planning work program for fiscal 26 for 27 and 28. This there will be a public meeting
notice that will be posted today after the meeting. It will go into a 30-day public meeting notice. Then we will come back uh in April for the official and final adoption of our uh working budget. >> Thank you Tate. Any questions for Miss Gorman?
>> Hearing none. Do we have a motion to approve? >> To approve. >> Second. >> Motion. We have a second. Any further conversation? >> Hearing none. All those in favor, please say I. I. >> Those opposed, nay. Thank you. Our next time of business is conversation regarding the proposed Tampa Bay Regional NO merger. Uh well right now we
are we don't have any updates. Uh we do have our upcoming staff director's meeting where we will further discuss but we're moving into phase two like I said before but there's no notable updates as we are working on um the current uh plan with the consultants. So
>> Mr. Chairman, thank you. >> What about a meeting? Sorry. Thank you. What about a future meeting with the city? Uh >> you mean the tri county BC? >> The tri county. Yes. Um, we're still working on those dates. As you know, all of the schedules um are getting flushed out and we're working coordinating with
everyone's admins. So, we will have more updates. I think it was trying to be uh available in March, but I don't think that March date is going to work out. So, we're going to maybe shoot for April. So, I will >> Yes. Noted. Commissioner Stury,
>> just for those of us that are working in that TMA realm, um in my meeting with Tanya yesterday, I asked her um that at a if at a future um meeting we could have the ex the head of the airport and the head of the port there. Um because
there's some questions on whether they would think regionally or be at the whim of their, you know, say Hillsboro County board members or city. And so we just want to hear from them that in my opinion I think they will think
regionally but there were some questions about that. So I'd like to see if we can have them at our >> and I'm going to bring that to my next staff director too. Yeah definitely >> and and a great article that you wrote. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> I did an oped on the regional review.
>> It's in the Tampa Bay Business Journal. >> Very well very well written. Very well said. >> Okay. and I will be discussing uh the port and airport attendance at our next staff director's meeting. So we will see if we can get them uh to come to our next TMA meeting to have that
conversation. >> Thank you very much. >> Go Pasco is next on our agenda. Do we have any up we go on >> about the track in the regional MOS
with Secretary Hall with FDOT yesterday? Uh we're always interested in Pasco and 301 to Tampa and all being improved to four lanes. Hillsburg County is now on board. >> Good. >> Uh they want the same thing. So that's a
positive thing for the regional group to be discussing as takes a lot of money to make that four lane all the way down. >> I agree and I that's the way I tend to go to Temple Terrace is 301 from Date City through Zephr Hills down 301. And
um when you're coming back, especially now with 56 and GPS sending everyone there, by the time when you hit the county line, it's going to be stop and start when you're heading north certain hours of the day. And when you're that that route is just so heavily traveled, it it's got to be quite
>> and it's very important to hear that that Hillsboro is now on board for the same thing we are. I mean, more of it's in Hillsboro than Pasco, but we're both in Resco. that helps both citizens and both counties, >> right? Uh also the fact that well we
heard yesterday or Tuesday that uh 41 being four lane to the north was going to be held up. So um that was interesting. In my talks with the secretary uh yesterday, I did talk to him about uh
if 50 highway 52, the four lane of that to from Bellamy over to 41, was it being held up or were we going forward or where we were going to be on it? because there also we had been asking about the possibility of six laning that area from
Bellamy over to 41 and the secretary said he was very interested in seeing that possibly happen. >> Well, so that's just good news for >> and I see you know we have someone from DOT here. I I think we have a rural crosssection on that road on 52
>> and maybe if we went to a urban maybe you could fit six. Is that how that works? as the driver for Mr. >> Get my sidewalk. >> As the driver for Mr. Love it and getting to these meetings, we wonder when that section's going to be widened.
Brian, Mr. Hunter, good to see you. >> Good morning, board. Brian Hunter with the Florida Department of Transportation. You are correct. We do have a rural section out there. Uh when you when you move from a rural to an urban, you do typically have to do more drainage improvements. So the cost is
there's not as much cost savings as one would think and space savings because you can't build over your your pipes and all that kind of stuff. I don't know in that particular section. I know that we pro we acquired the rightway for that ultimate six lane section. So we won't
have to go back for additional constru or rideway funding when we get construction funding somehow to do that six lane segment. So that is a it's a good we do utilize that like county line road we are going to use an urban section so that we can tighten it in and
reduce our ride ofway footprint out there and so we do use that um strategy but I don't think it's really necessary on 52 since we already have the right of way will continue along the path that we currently have. >> Well I see I see the backups on Bellamy
and 52. >> Yeah >> coming across >> and they haven't even put the houses in there yet. Commission. >> Yeah. So concerns if we go to the uh urban section, you got a lot have all curb and gutter >> on county line road.
>> Well, let's talk. >> Yeah. So uh 52 urban sections typically have curb and gutter. Yes. >> And that means you're going to reduce speed though, correct? >> It depends on how the road is designed. Typically an urban section is slower. So, as far as I
>> Well, I know I know, but what I'm saying is you can you can get more lanes, but if you got to cut down the speed 10 miles an hour or whatever you're really saving net to net um having the space available >> going to move traffic across, >> having the space available is good for when you do want that future expansion. But I'm going to tell you when you look
at those things coming down, it's to me it's not even as safe, but um and that's why you reduce the speed. So, it's something to really keep in mind to design it for the six lanes. But unless you really really need it, then you wait on Connelly Road. Just so you know, and
I I think you're you're well, I'm sure you're right now, but we have applied when I was up in uh DC met with the transportation committee and we found out there was a grant that was out there that could possibly work. So, we had Dominique Combmes from Hernando County. We talked and uh our team in like three
days put the grant together for the build grant. >> Awesome. So we're trying to get 25 million. >> We got Billis to sign on, right? >> Yeah, Bill. I think that's why with both of us when you were there, too. So, >> uh, so that is coming up to get some help. Um, anyone I've talked to about
the if you want to talk about what's available now to us, I was not happy with putting all the money out there, but I think if we got 25 million, I hope the DOT would now instead of loaning us some money, but just give us the money because we do it up front and get it done quicker.
>> Yeah. So, we'd have to look at when that came in and what we could do, but we are always willing to work with you all. That's one of those projects. It's not a it's not a state road, but we have a a deep desire to help you all get that road as uh built as soon as possible as
well. So, we'll definitely be able to to look at how >> the way the way 41 was planned right now for the section, you guys were leaving out from 41 to Secretariat, which goes in front of pilot country, etc., starts at Pasco Trails. Is that now being put back in?
>> I do not know the answer to that question. I know we had had to just because of escalating costs, we had had to break it into three sections and the unfunded section was secretariat to 41. I'm not sure if that is changed. I haven't heard that it has but
me. I mean that's the section needs to get done >> going that way as well. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, all needs to get done. >> Yeah. It's crazy that we only have two roads going east west and 301 jumped in front of 52 in my opinion, >> but that's that rule project that got
>> And again, if we're going to try to do those six lanes, you better finish the other two first. And if you're going to do in three sections, they try to expand it out. More money goes into the urban section as well. It's something to really take a look at. I mean, I want to see the whole thing get built and then
you can look at doing expansions. >> I wonder if we should have asked for money for 52 when we were I mean, that's a state road. >> Yeah. >> Um, while you're there, >> emergency route, too. >> Yeah. So, yeah. >> Two-lane road. >> Um,
>> any updates on 54 and 41? >> So, we we're continuing to look at how we can tighten it up and reduce the costs on that one. We do have right away funded in 28 or 29, I can't remember which year exactly. And so, we're we're still looking at the concept and trying
to make it smaller. the the smaller the footprint, the less expensive it is to build. And so, we're continuing that refining process. And so, we should have something wrapped up. I I think they presented it to um they had like a a community open house. It wasn't like a a
traditional PD&E open house. We had one just we hadn't been out to the community in a while in that area. So, we wanted to let them know we hadn't forgot about it. We were still progressing ahead. And we presented some new concepts. We got some comments. And so they're incorporating that into the the final concept that we'll end up moving ahead
with. And so um that should be I don't know a couple months from now when we have something to to finally say this is going to be our footprint. This is what it's going to look like. This is where we are with funding and this is our
construction schedule. as you as you work to make it as uh cost-effective as possible, I hope that we're built we build it so we're anticipating future capacity of county growing and coming down. >> Yeah, >> because they're they're coming down.
>> Um uh Penllis people left, I think, but I haven't driven down 19 in a bit, but but they're going over uh which road are they going over? Uh T either Nebraska or Tampa is
>> it's not Tampa. It's Kuru. >> Okay. Curu is under construction and the next one is Yeah, >> that was gonna be my question. Which do you have funding for Tampa yet? >> I don't believe we have the next phase of US19 funded. >> I just hope we keep working working our
way up. I know you guys came to me a number of years ago and you guys know this about discussions about a fly over on 54 and maybe 52. um or ridge in 19 and uh 19 and 54. But
in my mind, what I said to them was you got to do panels first and work up because the traffic just much hap you know it doesn't do any good to go over 54 and then get stopped in Penelis County. So I'm just hoping you're working your way up. >> Yeah. Yeah. We've been working with
Penelis County and the MO down there to determine what the that next phase. We have the the plan for the the next couple and then what does it look like north of there? Um it'll probably be some version of a like a vioideuct like you see on um Gandandy Boulevard. So
it'll be visually um when you're standing on one side of the road, you can see the other. We don't have the the great separations. Those are kind of what we're we're discussing with them. That's what we're hoping that the community will support because I know that the Tarpon Springs area did not want a grade separation
because it really cut their their community in half and so we're working >> there's ways to do it so that people will still go into Tarpon Springs to shop. I know that's what they're worried about. >> Yeah. So, we're we're working through with all those folks to see if we can come up with a a solution that's acceptable to everybody and still
provides that regional mobility for people that >> that's the way a lot of people from Pasco County who are commuting south, they they're coming down Yep. >> Trinity to East Lake to Tarpon to 19. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, needs to get improved. Yeah. >> I know Hooper's working on that.
>> Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. Hunter. Appreciate. Thank you, Brian. Okay. Go Passcode. Do we have any updates on go Pasco today? >> No. >> No, they have no updates. Well, you heard from Nina throughout the presentation, so they they already
provided their updates. >> Good. Under uh that was next on the agenda, status reports and presentations. Item eight, the freight plan phase two. Miss Gorman. >> Yes. So the freight plan the freight planning is an important component of the MO's transportation planning
responsibilities because it supports the efficient movement of goods and services throughout the region. Uh we have a presentation by Benesh Robert Rob Kersy uh coming and he will review the phase two of the freight plan. It builds upon the previous work which is focusing on
identifying key freight corridors and logistical hubs. Evaluating freight mobility challenges, developing strategies to improve freight uh movement and safety. Supporting economic development through improve goods, support economic development through
improved good movement. And the plan uh will be developed in coordination of course with our lo current current local government, our regional partners, economic development organizations, and freight and logistical stakeholders. At this time, I turn it over to Rob. >> Thank you. Welcome, Mr. Kersy. If you
could state your name and title for the record, please. >> Good morning. I'm Rob Kery, vice president with Alfred Bennishes and Company. We're a general consultant for the no. >> Welcome. Thank you for being here. We kicked off this freight plan about a
year ago and came before the board and talked about what we were going to do throughout the process. So, I'm here today to give you an intermediate update because we're just finishing up our needs plan analysis, update you on that. Per our schedule, we are moving forward to developing and finalizing
recommendations and developing an implementation strategy which will be coming to you before the end of the fiscal year in June. So maybe May is when we're anticipating coming back in about 60 days and asking for your blessing on our plan.
Speak to the purpose of the plan. If you'll recall, it's really to identify deficiencies or needs within the primarily roadway infrastructure and how how we can address those with operational improvements, capacity improvements, and policy improvements
that will support the facilitation of freight and goods movement within Pasco County. Study was broken into two phases across fiscal years. Task one was really the data collection and analysis portion.
Phase two, we've been working on identifying the needs and as I stated, moving forward to recommendations and freight implementation. We've been co coordinating stakeholder engagement throughout the process. We've had two rounds of stakeholder meetings. The
first round was really just as we've done with you, introducing the study. And phase two, which is just wrapping up, is where we met with a lot of the county departments and the uh and Tom Ryan of the EDC and um interested
parties who could provide input to our plan. As part of our needs analysis, we had um we broke it into two phases. One was freight activity centers. We took a very large county and said obviously we're talking about over the road trucks
primarily. So where are those trucks generated? Where are the trips coming from and where are they attracted to? On the map here you see the gold polygons or the freight activity centers which were a congregation or grouping of freight and
industrial generators and industrial land uses. The purple polygons you see are more standalone. You'll notice nicely that most of them are along the state roadways, which are primary movers of freight. So, it's great that they're getting that direct access um to those
major facilities. And the blue balloons with the stars on them are um ready sites identif identified by the economic development council. So, those are some locations where uh that team is trying
to promote and draw more industrial development. they align nicely with the freight activity centers and the industrial uses. So by actually getting down to the point specific locations of where the trucks are coming from and going to, this allows us really to focus
our efforts on a smaller portion of the county. Let me at this time state that this is a freight plan, but as you know, Pasco does not have a port. You do not have any rail yards or interotal rail facilities. you do have customers on
some rail lines uh but that is usually a destination delivery or picking up of product from those on those rail lines. It is not transferred a truck or something like that that would be hitting your your roadway infrastructure. So we are recognizing
and acknowledging that there is rail traffic. The biggest impact that it really has, especially with the new spurs and things coming online, would be the impact it's going to have on your roadway network as far as gate closures and slowing down some of the traffic. So, we're we're taking all that into
consideration, especially on the 301 corridor where it's the most active rail line. Uh the rail line in the middle part of the of the county is primarily serving C customers north of Pasco County now that Tibbitz has moved out to Zephr Hills. >> I just want to make a comment. I'll tell
you if you if you go down 52 and you're behind trucks when it's a single lane. >> Oh, that happened to me for the board meeting Tuesday. >> It's It started to happen to me and I was very thankful they turned, but it really backs up traffic and there's a
lot of trucks going down 52. >> It's all It's mostly those big trucks. >> Yeah. Pulling big things. Yeah, >> that comment is a perfect segue to my next phase of our study. After we identified the point locations, we then
took a systemwide approach to say we're really focusing on trucks and how they how they operate within the existing system and the impact that general congestion has on the movement of those trucks. And if you're slowing down the trucks or the trucks are using those
railways, they're slowing down the general automobile traffic as well. So, we thought, let's take a look at congestion on the network and see how that ties into where we know trucks are. So this vin diagram here shows that we looked at congestion using the standard
measures that are used for most no plans either the congestion management process the long range transportation plan looking at level of service bottlenecks volume to capacity ratios from the travel demand model. We then conflated that with the yellow balloon there which is the presence of trucks. So we wanted
to know uh which facilities carried a large number of trucks not necessarily on a percentage level but say a pure volume you know are there 500 trucks per day are there a thousand trucks per day on this facility. So really identifying where what your high truck facilities
were within the county and then the last the blue one there is projects as you've heard there's a lot of projects taking place right now. FDOT is doing a lot of work the county's doing a lot of work. So as we identify these freight needs, the idea being if those projects are
just going under design or if we can still get freight friendly designs and considerations into the development of those, that's what we refer to as the lowhanging fruit. We can accomplish two things. We're getting capacity improvements, but we're also making sure that when we design those facilities, we
are acknowledging that trucks are on those roadways. And whether it's an intersection improvement or some type of a capacity improvement that could could facilitate the movement of trucks, we're incorporating that. >> Mr. Chairman, >> Commissioner Mariano, could you go back to the previous slide?
>> And I was going to comment, but I decided not to and I wanted to as soon as you made your comment about the previous one to that one. >> Okay. >> When you made the comment like we're going to focus on the trucks, not the freight. So as as you know from Brooksville all the way down that rail
line to 41 goes down to Tampa and not much goes on that time that all the time though they're talking about putting a spur up on 41 to1. Do you recommend any spurs being added up on that line at all >> within Pasco County?
>> Within Pasco? Yes. >> No, because there are no current um there are no current customers along that line. >> Okay. So, let's go to 301. Now, 301, those you don't know that that line runs. >> It accesses the rest of the nation. So,
that's that's a big line. It's going to always be there. >> It's got potential. Do you recommend we look at doing anything more there >> to improve capacity? >> Yes. And and and what is happening there, and I was talking to to Tom Ryan before the meeting, is in our meetings
with him, he's identified that there are four rail spurs that are going to be developed along that line. couple in Zephr Hills, a couple up in Luchi, >> and we're going to map those and consider those. But as new customers come on the line in that area, yes,
putting the spurs in place gets them off the main line and allows those trucks to move more freely up and down, and that helps not only the movement of the trains, but also the the closure of the gates. So, as well as for our econom economic development for the county, for
the MO, what would you recommend we do to try to improve that? >> I think working through uh Tom's group has been very successful in attracting those customers. And when those customers come in, one of the reasons that they're selecting those locations
is because the access to the rail line. And I think it's just should be through his organization letting those new customers know early on that a rail spur is going to have to be part of that development and they're going to have to coordinate with CSX to make sure that that happens.
>> That should be easy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Let let them deal with the easy stuff, right? >> Okay. >> Thank you, Rob. >> So, this map shows the congestion that we identified. We put a threshold of
volume to capacity of 1.12 looked at level of service that was higher than DE or F. Uh so so we used uh also the RIT database which shows delay and uh travel time index and it identifies bottlenecks
within the system. So we put them all on the map here. You see the the gold or level of service that's more on the FDOT roadways because that data is readily available to us. The blue dots are more the county facilities and county roads. Using data provided by the by the county
traffic operations staff, we identified congestion in those locations. The red circles are crashes involving trucks or heavy vehicles. Once again, verifying where the presence of the trucks are and where they're having some issues either operationally or conflicts with other
vehicles. and green is the bottlenecks that come out as freight bottlenecks out of the risk database which is a which is a national database. So once again shows us where congestion is in the system. We then wanted to correlate that with
where there are a lot of trucks. Uh in reviewing this map every time I bring it up I I see that it shows that just about every facility especially state facility has a high number of trucks. You see, we set thresholds there really by facility type and said if it's a principal arterial, if it has more than 2,000
trucks per day, we're going to light it up. If it's a freeway expressway, if it has more than 5,000 when we're working with the data and actually coming up with our recommendations, we're looking at those numbers in a more realistic hard hard actual number. Uh, as far as mapping
here, we maybe should have set our thresholds a little bit higher to maybe not light up quite as much of the network, but it gives you a good indication of exactly once again where we're saying this is where the trucks are and we match that with where the congestion. >> Wait, wait, wait. What's going on? What's going on in Gulf Harbors there with that blue dot?
I wonder what that is. >> Where where is that specifically? >> It's that funky triangle thing jutting out in the water where I live there. >> Oh, furthest furthest west. >> Yeah. southwest. >> That's kind of kind of funny point there.
>> I wonder if that was during co uh during um realignment after the hurricane. We had a lot of trucks going in fixing people's homes back up. That could be that what that was. >> It could be. We'll have to look in that. That is an outlier and it is curious that that it's out there because uh let's verify that may be something we
remove, but obviously under normal conditions that's not an area I would expect to see a lot. >> A lot of trucks >> that close to your place. >> Yeah, >> that's our house. I think it's on my plate. >> The delivery goes on the Amazon. My new app. >> Amazon goes there a lot.
>> You're getting an abnormal number of Amazon deliveries. >> Don't worry about that. Just slow down your orders. >> We always say you can make a difference and you made a difference on this map. >> Just doing my part. M
>> so once we looked at all that information about where the trucks are and where the congestion is, where the crash data is, we brought that all together into this which is our needs map. And from this needs map, this is where we will be forming forming our recommendations uh for improvements there. Bearing in
mind that many of these needs are on some of the facilities you've already talked about. State Road 52, uh, US301, US19, we heard about it in the earlier presentation. So, nothing really
illogical here. Um, but it really does point to where we need to be focusing our efforts because there are trucks there and there are operational issues and just tracking development through the course of this study. It's been hard for us to keep up over the last year with all the warehouses popping up.
That's why I did such a such a fine grain analysis in tracking exactly where the new industrial developments are going in the warehousing and how they relate to the freight activity centers. We mapped the program improvements. This is uh we really wanted to look at as I
mentioned earlier where is dirt going to be turned on new projects? where is some type of a design to take place that we could uh take advantage of and piggyback some freight improvements on. Those would be the easiest to implement and the ones that could be um have the most
immediate impact. So, we mapped everything that is shown here, including the FDOT 5-year work program, your capital improvement program, and lit it all up. This map's all inclusive. So, there are some projects on here which really have no relevance to pre freight. There might be a sidewalk improvement or
a or or a trail or a multi-use path, something like that. Obviously, we wouldn't piggyback a freight improvement on that. But I just wanted to demonstrate to you that we looked at all of the all of existing programmed improvements and taking advantage of those when we can.
So, our recommendations will come, let me start with the right side first, will actually come in two different packages. We'll have the ones that are the infrastructure, operational, and safety improvements >> that under that first bullet are some of those pro some of those locations where
projects are programmed. >> So, we'll take advantage of those. We'll screen them and see is there some way we can get on the front end of this design or incorporate some type of an improvement as the as it before it goes under construction. >> I have a question,
>> Commissioner Joerger. So, um I was talking to some uh people in the trucking industry and they were when we were talking about the roundabouts, they were saying that they're not they're really not wide enough. And then also people who are pulling campers, that was
a concern of theirs. So, are you going to be making those roundabouts wider? >> Not as part of this study and those recommendations because those are fairly new and coming on come on. I wanted to give you that feedback that it was
difficult for them to navigate those. >> That is true. And there is a tradeoff because those in the trucking industry will say if you've got a traffic signal there, stopping that truck and restarting it takes time and fuel. No, >> it a little bit giving it a little more
just making it a little wider was all I was saying. >> Yes. Yes. Freight freight friendly freight friendly design. And we I will tell you that when we met with the city of Dade City, they'd been watching how one of the roundabouts on 301 had been fairing since it had opened and due to
the trucks and other heavy heavy vehicles using that inside apron, they were kind of tracking how quickly it was deteriorating or having issues. To your point that that the trucks have to drive on part of that apron if it's doesn't have the have have the birth to get around >> design just making it wider and more
accessible for them. Commissioner Oakman, >> you'll notice some of the roundabouts we have. There's one at 98 at Trilby >> that uh actually uh that's people say it's too narrow or whatever because >> on on the center part of the roundabout, it's actually made for that truck to
ride over that part. So, it doesn't have to be as wide. So, but you see that in a lot of roundabouts. Uh in the center, there's nothing that'll stop that truck from easing through that center if it goes up over the inside curve. to give
it. So that's the way it's designed. So >> um question, >> Commissioner, >> what road what roads are these? >> This one is Oh, and I used to have it on the slide actually. What that what that location is? >> That's 98 and 575. >> Well, how does the pedestrian get across
the street here? >> Very carefully. >> Yeah, we do need design. >> Yeah, especially with the go Pasco. I' I'd like to talk. That's not this conversation, I know. But yeah, they're on that um southwest corner of that
intersection. We've got to have a better access for the >> um the those boarding the bus there. >> That's you're you're going to >> It's been a rural spot in the past that hasn't had sidewalks, but yeah, sidewalks can definitely be in the future, especially just a little bit
further to the south there on 301 where the sidewalk. >> We just did this. Someone someone needs to go back to school. I'm sorry, but >> this was the first round. This was the first roundabout in East Pasco. And actually, it's worked very well because it was a death trap without it. There
may be a few fender benders, but nobody's getting killed there anymore. So, >> well, maybe for the people in a car, but trying to go visit a friend. Trust me, we do need to have some sidewalks on there. That's >> That's great. >> That's where I grew up there and and I I keep an eye on that, too. I still go to
church up there. So, yep. So for clarification, that's the roundabout by St. Leo. >> No, that's No, that's not. That's 575 and that's 575 and 98 >> and 98. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, and and it looks to me like if if
you're on a a bike and a car is coming and and you have to get off the pavement, you're going to go down a ditch on the right hand side. >> Um >> I don't know. I just think that's >> that's a very poorly designed intersection in my in my unengineered
opinion. So, I think that'll be something that gets monitored through this type of freight analysis and activity over time because we do have so many of these roundabouts that are hitting in Pasco County along the major corridors like 30
like US 301 um and just how they hold up over time from a construction standpoint, but also how much they um relieve delay and and I agree you definitely need if if you're looking at as a multimotal corridor for bikes and peds. Uh those those issues need to be
addressed. So that the first bullet is really taking opportunities with projects that are already programmed and seeing if we can um interject freight improvements, make sure that they're accounted for in the design. FDOT does does a good job of putting all that in
whenever they have their corridors improved because >> by their very nature, state roads carry a high number of trucks and they are truck routes. Uh the next is the non-programmed improvements. This is probably what you're going to see more of the county roads where we're going to make recommendations of the secondary
freight network and improvements that that can made there be made there. And those projects because they can't piggy back onto something that's already programmed either need to be a new project that's identified in in the CIP or the TIP in the short term or if it's a big project maybe goes into the LRTP
but that's going to push it back at least you know six six years before it gets into the implementation timeline. Uh truck parking. We would be remiss if we didn't mention that as part of our study because truck parking is s such an issue. Primarily you see it upon the on the freeways and the interstates with
the recent improvements to the uh rest area um north of 56. There is they did add some truck parking so it has higher capacity but you'll still see at certain times that trucks are parked on the shoulder in and out of the location. um
FDOT at a statewide level is addressing that with putting in new new truck parking. We're all hopeful that there may be some um private sector um solutions that come online as far as new truck stops, new truck parking
facilities uh that will help alleviate some of that. But from an NPO board or local government um perspective, most of that is being tackled at the higher level with at the state and federal level as far as uh as far as truck
parking. On the left side, you see policies and procedures. Probably the one of the biggest outputs of this study in addition to the projects that we're going to identify our designated freight network. I'm going to show you that next. But coming up with ways to
integrate freight review or facility review within your development approval process and looking at traffic impact studies, making sure that congest construction logistics plans are part of your larger MPUDS where you know that a
residential development's coming online and it's going to have thousands of new homes. How are those business materials getting moved in there? That's your State Road 52 comment. so many of the of the trucks there because they're taking construction materials back and forth.
Ultimately, 52's got a lot of building to still take place on it, but ultimately once those uh residential developments are built, then you're just down to uh maintenance trucks, work trucks, Amazon trucks going in there. You don't have the heavy trucks going in there. But as part of the uh development
review process, making sure that trucks have a way to access the site and get in and off the main thorough affairs is very important. This really came from our first round of uh first round of stakeholder meetings. the folks from the planning and
development department said, you know, it'd be to their to their benefit, this being the first freight plan for Pasco County, if we designated what the what the freight facilities were or the freight network in this case, bearing in mind that this is not what you would see
as a typical truck route map or something that would be from a jurisdictional level, truck restrictions, things of that nature. This is really just from a hierarchy of road situation. Where are the trips generated? That's why I've got the freight activity centers on there. How
did the trucks get to and from those freight activity centers to the larger hierarchy facilities to get out of Pasco County? So you see the green lines, the lowest level are the freight connectors. Those are within or adjacent to freight
activity centers. They're going to be more local roads, county roads tying into either a secondary or primary freight facility. So, the idea is to get those trucks directly off those local roads and to a primary facility as
quickly as possible, move them up the hierarchy of the network and get them out of here. Um, to the point that Miss Spyel made for the for the TAC meeting that we had last week, she felt like adding more of the vision road network or more roadway network would would be
beneficial here. Uh I understand her point, but I would rebut that by saying in this instance almost less is more. So many of the vision road networks is is supporting a lot of the new MPUDs or
providing what I would call alternatives or cut through traffic for automobiles and motorists. I always throw up the example of Rangeland and State Road 54. Rangland was a was was a pretty big road on the vision road network, but we
really don't want to encourage the courage trucks to take that road. We want them to stay on 54. So, by adding by adding roads to this, if you get it into your um policies, every road you add is a
local road. You've also got to maintain and you've got to maintain it to truck design characteristics and materials. So take that into consideration that if you put more uh more roads on here that that that you may be taking on that burden.
So TAC's comments were great. Uh we had representatives from several of the county departments and county engineering there and I told them for this map what we hope is that is that they would take the map out of this study roll it into the comprehensive
plan or the land development ress and the county and the board can add roadways as they want. This is just to start the conversation and identify the primary freight network and something that can be used as a tool by the by the
county when you're uh making recommendations and by the no as a companion piece. This study will be a feeder for projects that will go into the tip and the LRTP and the lop. So, this brings freight to a higher
elevation because it is becoming so critical to Pasco County and gets it into the conversation where this is a feeder um for the LRTP. Miss Bidell even said the recommendation from the TAC is that this study would be updated every 5 years about a year before you go into
the LRTP process just to make sure that freight is considered. >> Mr. a question on County Line Road that you stop it at 41 and you don't connect it from 4175.
We did not make that connection at that point because most of the freight traffic or freight generation from those freight activity centers on the west side of the county would at that point um have the option of either connecting
at 41 or Sun Coast rather than traveling that length over to >> but if we have capturing say in that in in uh going on here in um Shady Hills which is growing and they go
up and they want to get to 75 to to take their products out of Florida up to 75. Wouldn't they come across? >> There's no road further east from that point. >> It stops there. Coming line stops at 41. >> It does. >> Oh, I didn't realize that. >> Well, that's crazy.
>> You can go north and meander back over and down, but we've had several public comment items on that recently. >> Oh, is that that >> Yes, that that is session. But yeah, it that's not that's not >> that's a little f that's a little further north and then to the east.
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, >> that's the current configuration of county >> for future consideration. Yes. In the long run, building out a network. Yeah. If that roadway exists, it'd be a good good option for free. >> I did not know. I didn't know it stopped
there. >> So, where do we go from here? We're going to finish up our recommendations that are going to come out of that needs map I showed you. Then we're going to develop an implementation plan uh as a planning study and not a
uh a plan such as implementation format. We're really not going to go too deep into the cost analysis for each of our recommendations. That's more the purview of the of the LRTP or the TIP. But we're going to say low, medium, or high cost
based upon um based upon the specific improvement. Also, we tie that into whether it's a short range, medium or long range. So it'll give you some idea of some of these recommendations from our plan as to how the MO can take a
look relatively dollars relative time frame of implementation and how they can prioritize and move some of those into the tip, the lop or the LRTP. And that concludes my presentation. As I said, I'll be coming back in a couple of
months and be giving more detail about the specifics of our recommendations and our implementation plan. >> Thank you, Rob. Any questions or comments for Mr. Kery while he's here with us this morning? >> Said great job. >> Thank you. >> Very good. Thank you very much, Rob.
>> Our next item, safety performance measures PM1 update. Miss Gorman. >> Yes. Thank you for having me in at the DES. All right. Oh, you switched me. I'm sorry. Switch me over to >> close the door again. It keeps closing.
>> I'll be rather quick. I just wanted to follow up from our last meeting where we had a discussion about the PM1 safety measures and the impact it was having on the uh PM1 um pro projects that are located in the PM1 safety measure. I
just wanted to kind of go through a couple quick slides that I had to kind of clarify that discussion we had the last time. So for our 5-year rolling average, I wanted to review that again. Uh this method includes data from the recent five years of uh safety kind of
overview on our corridors uh to produce an annual performance measure. We reduce uh year-to-year fluctuations in that crash data. By having the 5-year rolling average, it provides a clearer long-term trend. Instead of having spikes and dips, we could kind of smooth out that
data a little bit. And then it allows for the NPOS's to review yeartoear in a five-year configuration how the safety uh um performance measures are actually occurring. So the fatalities trend that we were
looking at from 2020 to 2024 of course was during our pandemic times. We noticed the traffic volumes uh decreased but then we had and we also noticed congestion levels dropped but then our travel speeds increased also our serious injury uh co was we were seeing really
interesting data there and we were like well it's because of the newer cars that were having you know serious injury maybe go down everything was kind of fluctuating because of our um travel our travel times were all impacted by working from home and things of that nature.
So here we see that most of the most of the PM measures uh category show long longer downward trends over time but they peaked during 2017 to 2021. Um then we had of course during the co era like I said we had a plus 2% increase in
pandemic era travel changes. And so I kind of wanted to move through and kind of look at some key projects. Um, as I was saying when I met with you all this week on our one-on- ones, I was noticing that US19 was brought up um, most of the time with the different projects that
were coming into place during um, discussion these discussing how do we improve our safety and we know that our traffic higher traffic crashes are on US 19. So, as you can see here, we started looking at sidewalk construction, uh, safer pedestrian crossing, complete
street improvements, um, and trail connections. And then we kind of go into the multimodal safety. Uh, we were looking at the 52 widening, putting in some median separation, access management, and then of course again looking at
improvements on US19 corridor. We have some improvements on US 41 as well and some raising medians in holiday. And you could see the year as well. So you can correlate the year, the exact year with the project. So you can see what was happening and what was occurring.
And this is kind of where I came in around the pandemic era. This is really my era when I came into the NO and we started really heavily looking at how do we make these roads safer? And as you can see, we got some transit ADA stops. We had countywide school beacons come
into play. We also had some um crosswalks and NPR. We started planning those and then we started seeing that downward trend and serious injury and fatality. And then the most recent initiatives of course are the um US 19 it safety
improvements. We had some date city access management that we've done. Of course, Hudson and Port Newport Richie got some more of the signalized crossings. So you see these initiatives starting to pick up as we move closer and closer uh to 25 and 26.
So the overall impact impact we have declined in serious injury rates. We stabilized um non-motorized safety trends. Our fatality rate are de declining. Of course I would like it to declined sooner or quicker. Uh but it is declining and then it reflects our
partnership with FDOT and ourselves and the Pasco. Do you have a graphic of like of the fatality rate on the decline? >> I can get you one. Yes, I can go back to our form other presentation. I can get you show you everything on decline. And I just wanted to kind of bring that back
and have that conversation. >> Questions for Miss Gorman. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much, Tia. Our next meeting will be in Dade City on April the 9th at 10:00 a.m. Thursday, April
9th at the old Pasco County Courthouse. Anything for the good of the order while we're meeting as the MPO? >> Mr. Chair, I do have something. >> Mayor Hoover. >> Brian, would you mind come for Hunter? >> Say it again. >> Let's have Brian come for
>> a couple things. Sorry, Jack jumped out, but um the uh the underpass Cody River, just one update on that rightway study. >> All right, so glad, perfect timing. I actually have something to report and I'm not telling you I'll be back in a couple months. Yeah, good.
>> So, I got the uh the 15% line and grade plans, which basically is like location and elevation for the trail. Those came in on Tuesday. I haven't had a chance to look at them. I had the two uh other NO board meetings yesterday and this one this morning. So, I should have something I can send you maybe like
Tuesday of next week. Perfect. So, that that's going to outline that right-of-way need that that we have that extends into those parking spots. So, I'm >> happy to stand here and tell you we actually have something for you. Instead, I'll be back in a month. >> That's awesome. Um, and the second thing
I had, so I noticed there was some work. I'm assuming that DOT was doing that under the bridge um securing some of the the bank maybe or whatever, but they they they borrowed in a lot of boulders under where we were uh anticipating to have that underpass. So, it's like if we
ever going to do an underpass, we have to call out all that boulder now. It didn't make any sense why they filled that in like that. So, >> all right. Yeah, I'll take a look at that. I know our our bridge folks have been involved in our conversation because we are going to have to do like micro piles under that bridge and so they they know it's coming. So I'm sure
that they have uh >> time is micro piles. They're they they're very high and they're big big boulders. >> Yeah. Kind of shocked to see how how much they filled in. >> I'll talk to them see if they're aware of everything going on. So, I'm sure they've accounted for it and you know,
it may just be some shoreline protection need that they have right now that the the longerterm project will take care of as well. So, but yeah, I'll follow up with it. >> Thanks. >> Thank you, Brian. Anything else for Mr. Hunter or anything else for the good of the order before we adjourn?
>> Hearing none. Thanks a lot, everyone. Meet you, >> sir. What's that? >> Yes. >> Let's see like that haul getting older. They still ask for
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