oh we'll get this Ro y have me up here wherever you like think right there right there oh you're next to me oh sorry about that hey Lisa how are you doing great good to see you all right guys we going
get a Roman buddy how are you to see you good morning good morning um let's go and get started with our no meeting for February 13th 2025 is now called to order um Please be aware that this meeting is being broadcast at this time please rise for the
invocation and Pledge of Allegiance oh merciful Creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and Grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen
amen PL aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all thank you um clerk you please call
the role Mayor Scott black here councilman Lance Smith Mayor John Eric coover here commissioner Ronald E Oakley commissioner Seth waitman commissioner C starky commissioner Lisa
jger here commissioner Jack Mariano here chairman Matt Murphy here all right y keeping the silence today up to call for public comment keeping ass sign us today do we have anybody that wish to speak no anybody on the no okay we'll
good all right last call All right we move on um we don't have any minutes to approve um so we're going to move on to our Mo advisor committee reports first one a citizen advisory committee Angela hi good morning morning I'm Angel
V I'm planner one with the Pasco Mo um the mo citizens advisory committee met on February 5th and AUM was present the committee voted unanimously to recommend approval of Mr Robert Longo as a new regular member of the CAC the committee heard a presentation
by an no consult consultant Urban STK on the Pasco no's proposed 202 safety performance measure targets and voted unanimously to approve the recommended targets the meeting also featured a presentation by sepher Hills planning director Todd vanderberg on the zepher
Hills multimodal Transportation plan additionally a presentation was given by the noos consultant Mar Marlin engineering on the efforts underway to develop Pasco nopo's micromobility traffic count strategic plan and data collection project thank you for your time and I'm happy to answer any
questions you may have anyone have any questions thank you thank you man uh next up technical advisory committee Cynthia spel morning good morning Cynthia spidel so the TAC met on February 5th in dates today and other than our routine
business we had one action item and two very informative presentations um we adopted the 2025 Pasco no safety performance measure targets we did adopt the recommendation from staff which was based on a 10% reduction of the current
5-year rolling average so uh notably the 2024 adopted targets were not met but the statistics do show improvements so we've made progress but we obviously still have a lot of work to do to promote safety so with respect to the presentations um we had two very
informative presentations similar to what the citizens advisory committee just presented Todd vanderberg with a city as ZR Hills presented an overview of the city's recently completed multimodal Transportation plan which was funded through a state Grant and um I don't think he's presenting it to you today but I think he's presenting it to
you at the next time you're in dat City so I won't go into too much detail but um critical components of the plan included walkable development side path Trails coordinating signals and access points to improve safety for people trying to cross the roads and uh for priority road projects and adding
facilities for walking biking and Transit and he what I thought was really interesting was he talked about the addition and vision of this bypass Loop so hopefully that will um you know separate traffic and keep the downtown traffic at a minimum so that you you reduce the conflicts between the
different types of trips and we were also very excited to learn about the success of the Zephyr Hills industrial Corridor and the job creating companies that have or in process of coming to Zephyr Hills so there's a lot of good job opportunities as a result of that preservation of
those industrial lands um presentation number two which I think you're going to see today is the micr mobility traffic counts strategic plan and data collection and this was present Ed by Marlin engineering uh it's basically state-of-the-art technology that we're going to be installing or they're going to be installing at two strategic
locations in Pasco County and so basically when that data becomes available you can see how the pedestrians move how the bicyclists move how the cars are moving and it's just another tool in the toolkit to achieve performance measures targets that we adopted and so assuming the te
technology works as well as we hope it does we look forward to expanding it to other key locations as we continue to work towards making our safer for all users and thank you very much for your time I'm happy to answer any questions any questions all right thank you um next up
bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee Mr Brian Michaels how you doing sir morning Brian Michaels uh bpack chair so unfortunately we did not have a quorum at our last meeting um and we're looking for members to join bpac so if you're interested um to uh promote
biking walking hiking in Pasco County we're looking for members for BAC so we s we had the same presentations um the uh Prasco MO Performance measure with a 10% reduction um Zephyr Hills multimodal Transportation Plan gave an
excellent uh presentation uh they they're looking at building a 12T uh multi-purpose path pretty much around a a square in their City uh which is very exciting and we also saw the uh Mobility traffic count strategic plan um there
going to be a three one on us9 one at Ridge Road and Sun Coast and one at starky uh and um State Road 54 which is a trail Crossing so uh they also showed um counters at starky
Park that showed 11,000 people uh in that count which is very surprising so he's going to present that today but um if you have any questions that's all Mr chairman the membership does everybody get two from
the board or for your bpack how how's the membership set up you get one you get one uh you get two primary all okay so if you w Rec do I have a do I have a member does everybody have a member or do we just light we're just light I think I don't
think there's anyone from your District okay is yeah we have so we have two members one of them has missed seven meetings the other one has missed eight meetings all right give me the list of you want that's get me the list cuz I want representation thank you very much I
appreciate it thanks you than welcome to I may do some substitutions yes exactly thank you all right thank you all right we're going to be uh we're moving our legislative update to other business so we're going to move on to
action items um approval of new member of the citizens advisory Council um Angel via the Pasco excuse me staff recommends the appointment of Mr Robert Longo to serve as a regular member of the no citizens advisory committee to represent the
board of County Commissioners District 1 the citizens advisory committee voted to recommend his approval to it Mr Longo's background is in mechanical engineering and sales Mr chair move approval second all in favor I I opposed motion passed thank
you welcome Mr Longo uh next up is approval of new alternate member appointment Mo technical advisor committee Mr Scott Ferry good morning board morning the Pasco M staff recommends the appointment of Mr Dale Hall to serve as an alternate
member of the Mo's technical advisory committee Mr Hall serves as the development director for the City of Newport Richie move approval second all in favor I I
opposed motion passes thank you sir thank you yeah and uh you're you'll stay right there this is me again 2025 Pasco M safety performance measured Target presentation and uh discussion thank you
each year the Pasco no is required to develop and adopt highway safety performance measure Targets in in an effort to set a goal for reducing roadway crashes fatalities and serious
injuries these performance measures permit the no to monitor progress toward achieving the targeted reductions joining us today virtually to present the Mo's 2025 highway safety
performance measure targets is Mr Andrew ler with Urban SDK also joining us today today in person is Mr Zack fun Funkhouser with Urban SDK Mr Larder will present their
analysis of Pasco roadway crash data between the years of 2019 and 2023 discuss Trends and present the recommended roadway safety targets for 2025 okay thank you Scott hi there everyone
good morning board is everyone able to hear me okay yes great okay and is everyone able to to see the screen as well yes yes perfect awesome well thank you all and thank you for the introduction Scott hi there everyone my name is Andrew lter
I'm with the urban SDK Urban SDK is a smart cities data platform we've been uh working with the Pasco County no for a few years now uh last year we worked on the list of project prioriti ation uh project priorities measures and this year we are here to present to you the
highway safety performance measures uh so without further Ado let's get started on the presentation so a quick little background on the safety performance measures themselves uh State Departments of Transportation by federal law are required to establish safety performance
measures targets annually and in the State of Florida after fdot establishes Statewide targets mpos are required to adopt their own targets no later than 180 days later in 2025 FD established a Statewide Target of zero for all safety
performance measures and so what that means is that the Statewide Target is zero collisions that result in fatalities or serious injuries whether that be among Vehicles vulnerable Road users or any combination of the two so obviously this is an aspirational goal
uh it's one that we all aspire to with the vision zero principle of roadway safety however Pasco no supports the Statewide Target and nevertheless also wishes to establish its own targets to track the safety performance of the transportation system in Pasco County in
a more easily understandable way and one that establishes more meaningful and achievable targets uh than a blanket Target of zero and as a quick reminder these safety performance measures do apply to all public roads Mr chairman despite the name of highlight safety
performance measures hey Andrew we we don't we don't have your screen up so I think if going to have it televised we should have the screen up I just texted T there was a gra you got my message I guess can you start can you start over
Andrew yes sorry about that I apologize I thought it was sharing uh are you able to see the screen now yes yes okay great okay so I'll just go through the first slide quickly again then we just covered this previously so uh Federal Law
requires State dos to establish safety performance measures targets annually uh after 180 days after fdot establishes Statewide targets mpos are required to adopt their own targets fdot established a Statewide Target in 2025 of zero for
all safety performance measures and Pasco M does appreciate and support this Target also wishes to establish its own targets to track the performance of the transportation Cisco this excuse me system in Pasco County so moving on so these five safety performance
measures we're discussing today are all given as a five-year rolling average of data so from 2019 to 2023 being the five most recent years of full data available uh inclusive the five safety performance measures are number of collisions resulting in fatalities number of
serious injuries the number of non-motorized so that's vulnerable Rogue users pedestrians and cyclists fatalities and serious injuries uh as well as the rate of fatalities and ser injuries per 100 million vehicle miles traveled on the state on the
transportation so we're going to go through some of the data for each of these five performance measures uh to see how this year's rolling fiveyear rolling average has stacked up against Trends uh over the past several years as well as how they compare Pasco has compared to a Statewide uh Florida wide
average as well beginning with the number of annual fatalities uh as you can see there was a drop of about 1.4% from the 2018 to 22 to the 2019 to 23 5year rolling averages this is a result that's trending in the correct direction uh and as you can see
there was a peak in the number of fatalities and again this isn't weighted by the amount of travel that took place on the road Network this is only the raw number of fatalities as an average uh the peak occurred roughly in the middle of the pandemic 2017 to 2021 uh and there has been a slow and steady
decrease since then this is especially a commendable result when the fact that there is a continued increase in the amount of travel taking place on the transportation Network during this time owing to population growth and continued growth of Commerce within Pasco County we'll see more of that data later in
this presentation as well uh speaking about fatality rates the actual rate of fatalities in terms of fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles traveled has also decreased in fact by a higher rate than the raw number of fatalities seeing about a 3.4%
decrease year on-ear with a similar trend of a peak roughly in the pandemic times 2017 to 2021 and then a continued drop since then uh we won't go into too much detail here so we can continue on the presentation but this is just a heat map of where those fatal collisions took
place during that time period uh over those five year that 5year period regrettably 507 fatalities were totaled on the Pasco County transportation networ work during that time moving on to serious injuries uh again we're see a decreasing Trend which
is exactly what we would like to see uh in fact the trend is a little bit different than fatalities and this is one that is mirrored not just within Pasco but in fact Statewide and the serious injuries on thead have been going down and on a downward Trend since much earlier peaking around 2013 to
2017 uh and with a continued faster downward Trend since then the actual number of serious injuries decreased 6.0% year on-year when comparing the 2018 to 22 to the current 2019 to 23 5year average and similarly as well the rate
of serious injuries as a function of vehicle miles traveled decreased at a faster rate as well 7.7% decrease on year on-ear with a peak that is further back in 2013 to 177 and continued decreases since then again a heat map of where those Serious
injury collisions took place 4,276 serious injuries between 2019 to 2023 uh you will notice that the trends and the the the heat map locations are fairly similar between fatalities and serious injuries part of the reason for
this is that the most uh significant contributor to the severity of a collision whether it's between two vehicles or a vehicle and a pedestrian or a cyclist is speed uh speed and the amount of conflict points that exist between vehicles and vulnerable Road users so whether it's a serious injury
or a fatality uh whether it's between vehicles or between vehicles and vulnerable Road users you tend to see the same hotpots crop up for all these performance measures Mr chairman commissioner Andrew is there a way that you can blow that map up I'm wondering if you can put a dot on the map to
where um I'll say the where the river passes underneath the co Cody River pass on that catches um so be south of like Grand Boulevard this so this is a static map I'm not able to blow it up at the moment
um I can provide a copy of the presentation afterwards with a higher resolution version of the map as well so we can take a look in more detail okay yeah the the unfortunately I don't think the resolution of this this image would would support any further zooming
in at the moment okay okay continuing uh continuing on then the final of the five performance measures is the uh vulnerable Road users pedestrian and bicyclist fatalities and serious injuries so this being as this
is a combination of fatalities and serious injuries data and there's a peak in each of the two locations where there were Peak seen for fatalities and serious injuries individually which creates the sort of two- humped distribution that we're seeing here with a peak in 2013 to 17 as well as in the
pandemic around 2016 to 2020 there's been of a been a bit of a precipitous drop since then uh between 2020 uh excuse me 2020 and 2021 and essentially a flatlining this data since then as well however there was a modest increase
0.2% between the 2019 to 23 average and the 2018 to 22 average so a modest decrease but still trending in the right direction and same goes here again 584 fatalities and serious injuries over the course of the last five years uh related
to non-motorized Road users last piece of data or last chart rather I'm going to throw at you is the uh actual number of daily vehicle miles traveled on the state highway system so this is important piece of context to understand especially when we're looking at the way that the rates of vehicle
collisions have taken place and how they have continued to decrease over time the actual number of vehicle miles traveled on the state highway system increased almost 5% in 2022 to 23 there's obviously a drop in 2020 but other than that owing to continued growth within pastel County there has been a continued
increase in the traffic volumes within the county itself so seeing the numbers not just the rate but in fact the numbers of overall fatalities and serious injuries decrease year- on-year is a commendable result when you consider that there's an overall increase in number of traffic and yet a
decrease in number of fatalities and serious injuries something for which we can uh place a lot of uh place a lot of commendation I would say at the feat of the ongoing work that is being done to support Road Safety in Pasco County and I know there's a lot of numbers on this slide um this is just a
quick comparison of how Pasco has compared to the overall Florida a Statewide average so as you can see on the right hand side Pasco has experienced decreases of varying levels but decreases across the board both from 2017 to 21 to now as well as 2018 to 22
to now whereas for the overall Florida Statewide numbers it's a bit more of a mixed bag in the entire State of Florida the actual number of fatalities increased uh for both of the two previous years there's been increases in the rate of fatalities across Florida as well and similarly modest decreases in
number of non-motorized work user uh collisions there have also been decreases in the number of serious injuries Statewide but in almost all respects Pasco has outperformed the Florida Statewide averages and in all respects it has either met or
outperformed them Pasco is only one of six no planning areas to experience a reduction in all performance measures categories all five of them during the current 5year period and last year Pasco was one of only four to achieve that same goal so Pasco M has now experienced a reduction in all category for two
years in a row uh so the question then is how is the Pasco M addressing safety and if there are more questions from the board on this I know that pasal staff in the room will probably be able to answer these even better than I um MO is supporting the safe system approach advocated by the
fhwa uh ongoing education and engagement continued transportation planning on small large scales ongoing Improvement of Comm communication and coordination with our planning partners uh something that is very near and dear to us at Urban SDK as well as we worked
closely with the mo on it last year the project prioritization methodology uh places a significant value on projects which can demonstrably improve Road Safety within the county uh and of course that also includes the safe streets and roads for all comprehensive
Safety Action Plan the last slide for your consideration today is the recommended targets for the coming year now in previous years uh so the Pasco no has provided its own targets to fdot for each year since 2017 however in previous
years the Pasco M adopted these performance measure targets based on the 5-year rolling average itself which did lead in the past to increasingly higher targets because of at the time annual increases in fatalities Andor serious injuries that were increasing the 5-year rolling average that in the past led to
a trend of adopting increasingly higher targets which ran counter to the goal of lowering fatal ities and serious injuries within the county and so beginning in 2023 proposed targets for these performance measures have instead changed to reflect a simple goal of a 10% reduction based on the most recent
5-year rolling averages for each of the five pm1 performance Target measures this is a methodology that allows the no to adopt clear and achievable targets using available and empirical data so you can see on the left hand side of this table the the targets that were
adopted last year for the 2019 to 23 that is to say the 2024 uh 5-year rolling average the actual data and how Pasco performed on those five targets is the next column over and it's clear technically it is correct the
transportation Network did not meet those those targets as of this past year there's a lot of reasons why that can take place and our understanding through our analysis is that primarily that's because a 5-year rolling average of data is intrinsically kind of sticky it takes
years of improvement before it starts to show up in the 5-year rolling average uh especially considering that the fatalities measures as well as some of the serious injuries measures were only really showing a peak during more recent years during the pandemic it's our belief that with continued downward
Trend which is consistent across all five performance measures this 10% reduction will be achieved if if it is again adopted as the performance measure Target for this coming year so the recommended 2025 targets are on the far right hand side of the table they
represent a 10% reduction of the current 5-year rolling average so a 10% reduction from the 2019 to 23 rolling average the no believes this is an achievable goal uh and it's one that can be tracked with empirical data this data comes from fdot as well all the numbers
that we've been seeing here today uh and it is one that uh has been approved by the committees as mentioned previously up to this point uh and it is what is being recommended for your consideration and approval today as well that concludes my port of the presentation I appreciate your your
attention and uh I'm able to answer any questions regarding the methodology and I know the staff in the room are also able to answer any questions regarding the targets or the procedure as well commissioner Mariano thank you um you know I'm looking at your last slide and then I'm look at the slide before that
we had outperformed the state across the board and if you're going to try to get a 10% reduction on a five-year r on average it's got to be impossible to me if you're going to look at reducing the average you got to go year to year to get your reductions like you show in the previous map you're
probably five years away from getting your 10 reduction from where you start but there's no way you're going to make that from the get-go I don't know why you would why would you set set yourself up for failure with that let me go so initially we the fiveyear rolling average comes from the state we follow
there how they looking at it over the 5year increment of time um I don't think we're setting us up for failure per se because we're looking at it 5 years at a time during covid um we noticed that we actually increase in fatalities and
crashes over time and we said there was a huge issue now we're looking at it again and we actually noticing a decrease and with the five-year rolling average we're noticing that we are going down almost in some spaces and cases about 7% so I mean we are we are getting
closer as we go through the 5year rolling average well let me say what we're doing is great I I just think when you try to set up a 10% reduction for five-e Rolling average your your numbers should start out the first year should be like 2% the next year 4% six and eight and that'll get you a reduction of
your 10% or or reduction per year but the way you're doing it now it looks like it's it's almost wouldn't it almost impossible to make I don't believe so and maybe um um and Andrew could speak more to this but I believe the way the rolling average occurs it's going over
time and over a period so we are looking at it as we go through the years and there really isn't a looking at it at one year we're looking at it in a bulk of five years so I don't I don't believe there's a a a drawback per se um but I
think there are mpos that are achieving their targets as they're making them so I don't think it's out of the I don't think it's out of the bounds of saying that we can't achieve it all right so let me ask this cuz cuz I'm looking if where one of only six no planning erors to experience a reduction in all
performance measure categories during the current 5year period so if we're doing that but we're not hitting this goal I'm just wondered is everybody else has the same goals that we have or we no h all the 27 of us can make a different goal based upon their expertise and
what's going on in their area or they can choose to adopt the state goal so I mean and again how many how many of them are making their goals and and I they anywhere close to 10% or are they like 1% 2% where they can make their goals I'm just wondering it's just like
one data shows we're doing so great and the other shows were failing it it doesn't make sense I'm just wondering Apples to Apples how do we compare with the others on on targets met compared to the others do they have the same goal that we have at 10% again they have the
they have again the discretion to choose their own goals so if I would I would have to give I would have to come back next at the next board meeting and provide you the goals and then what they achieved which I don't think that should be too hard but I could tell you that I don't have that information that's okay and I didn't expect you do but I but I
think it's a fair way to us compare because again if one slide were doing so great and the next slide just because we set a goal may be too lofty that we're not making it maybe we need to look at where that goal should be so you're looking for more of what are the 27 npos doing what are their goals and are we in
comparison to the goals of the other npos in Florida right are they are they setting like 1% 2% where were 10 how how do really compare to to that that number there understood very enough CH I I also think it's going to be very interesting
the numbers because our our count is growing at such a a rapid rate compared to other parts of the state so um that'll be interesting to see those numbers AB absolutely the growth um like I said during Co while other counties saw a lot of their crash uh you know
crashes going down because you know there were that many drivers on the road our crashes and our B injury was going up and we were like what's going on here this is kind of strange nobody's on the road but yet our numbers are increasing so like a thousand people a day were moving to right exactly and we were having more more uh residents moving
into Pasco so that didn't we didn't have a reduction really right and who was on the road so it was rather interesting seeing those numbers but now we're kind of out of I don't want to say the covid times but we're out of that we now we're looking forward to getting back to somewhat regular traffic patterns we
know Co has um moved us to some work from home spaces schedule flexibility and things of that nature so if you notice on a Tuesday at 12 o'clock you're backed up you know going down 54 you're like what's happening those are some of the um things that are attributing to
it okay um I just want to say also the uh the the slide with the uh fatality hotspots if we could get a better resolution better I think we'd all could use that that would be great if we can zoom in on that especially in our areas
be able to see 19 yeah US 19 especially yeah so while we're on the topic I'm going to bring you why I was asking the question why I wanted to zoom in um with the state we're going to get a a bunch of money from cdb gdr we can look at different projects to me one of the
things we struggle was that underpass between Newport Richie and Port Richie under the bridge as far as funding it goes and then dealing with regulations from dot what they want to see between how we build it I would love to see the cities come forward put a requ question and to ask for that money to go build
that underpass of the bridge if you guys came forward together use the numbers we've got work with maybe Justin and the team to kind of figure out what what the numbers would be Bring It Forward bring it to us because we're going to do a we got to do a public hearing process uh Sarasota County's already got their public hearing started so it's going to
be a fast moving thing I think by April May we're supposed to have it done so I'm going to say the quick you guys go together bring something forward it'll it'll show very well I think to to bring a project forward would that make sense y we've had a meeting on the 24th 24th
24th uh with the dot about what right away we're going to have to go after so we're going to we're working on getting it RightWay acquisition so and then I also wondered is uh is there any value in breaking out those fatalities on a motorized portion with
motorcycles and non- motorcycles just cuz I I would think that they probably skew the results a little bit up and down 19 I know the motorcyclists are just crazy up and down actually seen more motorcycle crashes in the last few weeks than I have cars um and I personally don't like seeing them
because it's it's really a horrific scene with a bike being crumbled under a car or whatever have you but there is a highlight um from uh Florida highways and looking at um if once the grants start coming through again I think um Hillsboro County is looking at
specifically safety with the motorcycles um and how we can reduce crashes there so there is a highlight on motorcycles I can see if we can break that out and bring that data back it' be interesting to see the difference of how much those actually motorcycles yeah Mr chairman commissioner so I think
we just had the Cody River function that those I know there at least a couple during that that could have been a little effect we are working on that together like you said we have the RightWay meeting coming up on the 24th to see if we can resolve those issues and then go from
there anyone else all right thank you all right so do we want to take action on this move to approve second all in favor I I opposed motion passes thank
you all righty um status reports and presentations um microb ability traffic count strategic plan and data collection presentation Mr Eric Katz come on down good
morning morning all right we're good we're good thank you okay good morning board thank you so much for the opportunity to present today my name is Eric Katz I'm with Marlin engineering and Miss Angel abila is the Pasco project manager for
this project uh so for this presentation I'll be providing an update on the micr mobility traffic Town strategic plan and data collection project uh so just from a very high level uh the objectives of the plan are to assist Pascal County in achieving its
primary strategic planning goals of creating a thriving Community enhancing quality of life stimulating economic growth and improving organizational performance we're going to assist Pascal County in gaining high quality datadriven insights regarding bicycle
pedestrian and micromobility traffic volumes we're going to assist Pasco County in improving safety for all modes so while this project is particularly focusing on bike ped we understand the trucks the buses they have to get to where they got to go to as well uh we're
going to also finally be delivering a strategic plan to Pasco County to assist in developing an efficient and effective micromobility traffic monitoring program that can further assist in fulfilling Transportation Planning goals this is the scope of the project it's a
six-month project so task one we just uh recently last month completed our kickoff meeting uh throughout the project we're going to be documenting any relevant other counting programs that are happening either within the county or relevant within the state uh we are ongoing throughout this project
establishing uh data sharing Partnerships and coordinating with other relevant stakeholders throughout the county which I'll touch on a little bit later uh we are going going to be collecting data uh this is the most exciting part of this project we're going to be bringing the latest and
greatest in regard to bike pad data collection upon three high priority locations uh within the county uh we will be sharing that data we'll be presenting that data and it'll all be wrapped up into the Strategic plan and final presentation I'll be back here in
June to provide the final results uh here's the schedule of the program of the project so we did start uh early in Jan January uh we just wrapped up our first round of uh public uh stakeholder Outreach uh with today's
uh board meeting uh and the past week we already presented to the ctst the CAC the TAC and the bpac uh so next month is where we're going to be actually putting out the equipment and collecting data at three locations we're going to have April and May to both analyze the data
we're going to have some additional uh partner Outreach um on both sides of the County uh where we're going to get more into the weeds of the Strategic plan uh gain a lot more feedback from our partners uh and then um as soon as the data is ready to be shared we'll be be
be providing that preliminary results and then we will wrap up in June uh with the final strategic plan and a final presentation so as far as the deliverables it's three locations that have already been chosen this is Starkey
Boulevard at State Road 54 it's a part of the Coast to Coast Trail network uh we're also going to be collecting at Ridge Road and the Sun Coast Trail Crossing also part of the Coast to Coast Trail Network and finally at us19 and C Ranch Road uh so each one of these
locations is going to be getting uh traffic volume uh mode splits of the different types of modes trajectory data which I'll talk a little bit more about which is really cool um some of the latest technology but that's not even the most exciting it's really uh the
near Miss analysis which is a um the the biggest component of this project that we're going to be sharing uh so the Strategic plan is going to have review of all related micr Mobility uh counting occurring within or relevant adjacent to the county we're going to map all past
and proposed locations uh for um future traffic locations to be in consideration uh we're going to be documenting our site selection process our Marin engineering is considered a an expert in regard to traffic monitoring program development so we're going to be sharing
uh and providing training uh in regard to how other municipalities other agencies can possibly adopt this methodology uh and then we're going to be inviting stakeholders out into the field with us so they can learn more about the technology how it works uh
what are the pros what are the cons what are the challenges the the benefits that come from these using this latest type of Technology um and really we just want to be an open book uh we know that this is just three locations there's many other locations that can be considered for Pasco County I really want to
hopefully really showcase this new technology and get other agencies and other organizations excited about the possibilities uh and then finally we'll have any recommendations and the final deliverables in that strategic plan so as regard to the partners uh
some of the major ones uh obvious are F do and we're talking about both fot district 7 and fot central office uh Florida d all of the major municipalities within the counties uh but we don't want to just stop there uh we are reaching out to any relevant
nonprofits universities hospitals any other uh bike pet advocacy organizations bike shops anyone that might uh find uh bike ped data collection to be relevant uh to their work uh we want to make sure that they're uh considered invited uh to
participate in this project with us so I just want to highlight one of the the ma major partners of this project is uh fot Central offices Transportation data and analytics office this is lo this is the office that has been historically responsible for all of
the motorized counts that happened throughout the State of Florida they manage over 350 motorized continuous counters that are continuously counting volume and uh doing mode splits throughout the State of Florida uh it is that project that gets a lot of credit
of how our amazing Statewide Road roadway Network in Florida was built was through this count program and it was in 2018 that that office was tasked with starting a non-motorized traffic monitoring count program uh so the map that you see there those two green circles represent two non-motorized
count stations that f. central office uh installed continuous counters that are on 247 365 they manage those sites they maintain them and all the data is publicly accessible so it's not just available to fot it's available to the entire public and other municipalities
to use and apply uh and those two locations are star key Trail at Wilderness Wilderness Boulevard and Sun Coast Trail at sr54 so the four yellow circles that you see on the map happen happen to be four additional continuous counters that are
going to be coming uh to Pasco County within the year and that is the Hardy Trail at Howard Avenue Sun Coast Parkway Trail at sr52 Sun Coast Trail at Starkey Trail intersection and the star key Trail at Trinity Boulevard Crossing uh so these
are all counters that are bought and paid for by fot they are maintained by F Dot and is going to be relevant accessible data for for the county and anyone any stakeholders within the county to use and apply part of their message that they have been reaching out to the state is
that it's an ambitious project to take on a Statewide count program the motorized program started back in the 1960s uh this is now just about 7 years old so they have been really pleading with other agencies other organizations
to get on board and start getting more involved with non-motorized micromobility data collection in their jurisdictions and then emphasizing data sharing part of the deliverables of this project is when the all the results are uh finalized and validated they will be sent to this office that they're going
to be storing in their Statewide repository so um I have a a longer presentation where I got into more into the details of the different types of Technologies but just want to fast forward to the the most um exciting part of this project is we're going to be using a smart camera data um data
technology for these three deployments these are high quality portable cameras they're non- intrusive they don't leave any marks or no bolts they're very safe they're Florida friendly they can handle the Florida weather and these with one camera you can detect vehicles trucks
buses motorcycles pedestrians bicycles and scooters uh with with one device and then when you do postprocessing um it's AI powered and you can track volume mode directions trajectory and then I'm going to talk a little bit more about the near Miss
technology now so this here gives you an idea of a typical roadway in which traditional counting technology just would not be reliable uh it's too complex there's too much going on thead traditional counters that you might see in the field that fot
is using now could not count a road like this accurately uh so this is just an example this was when we were partnering with the city of Fort Lauderdale this is a location where the two outside lanes were retrofitted to be buffered bicycle Lanes then there was a midblock crosswalk that was installed this is
adjacent to a school and then on the right side what you see is the output of what the camera is detecting the green represents car traffic the blue is bus traffic and then the red is bicycle traffic and the yellow is pedestrians and what you're seeing there is um it's
tracking all the movements of all of the um all the modes within a 24-hour period um and it's one thing to look at a chart full of numbers and graphs but when you see an output like this it's really helping to tell the story about how that
new uh facility enhancement is is being um how the public is reacting to it and so obviously the Cent was interested in seeing if the midblock crosswalk was being used are these bicycle Lanes being used and you can see the performance
right there on the screen so while you don't see every pedestrian utilizing that midblock crosswalk you can certainly see a concentration you can see a pattern um so it was ultimately pleasing for the client to see that that retrofit is actually being used and hopefully more people will start using
that uh midblock crosswalk in time but it's it's it's a great uh visualization to to share with stakeholders to see the performance uh so as we get into the near Miss technology we'll be able to take it a step further we're going to be developing heat maps to further show
concentrations about where activity is going to be where activity is happening on these uh um high priority locations so talking about near Miss now and I'm not a computer programmer but the best way I can explain it is that some of the
previous images that I shown you if we tell the camera or tell the AI it's kind of like you put a blindfold over the lens and you say just show me pedestrians bicycles and scooters and that's it everything else on the screen you're not looking for anything just show me those shapes and those movements
and it can detect it that takes about minimal to moderate levels of AI power to do when we do something like a near Miss you're taking the blindfold off of the lens and the analysis and you're telling it to literally look at every single movement that's happening on the screen within a 24-hour period so that
takes as the computer programmer colleagues of mine tell me that takes a lot of AI power to do so this screen right here what you're seeing is a very busy intersection you can see a lot of the car traffic that represents the the green lines that you see on that screen
and then you can see there is one yellow line uh towards the bottom left and we were interested we saw that there was a pedestrian movement that happened but what was happening at that moment was there an incident was there there an event was there an opport was there an
incident in which a car was moving too closely to a pedestrian well we were able to run that analysis and it found if you look closely at the right side of the screen you'll see that individual green line that intersects with that yellow and that is where the AI did
identify that as a near miss it then takes you to a screenshot of what was happening exactly at that moment and you can see here this is an intersection where you don't have a crosswalk on that side of the intersection The Pedestrian chose to cross and you can see a um a
right turn being made by that vehicle and that was where the AI consider that a near Miss incident so it extracted that moment uh from the 24 hours of video that's really interesting amazing yes it's very very very exciting uh to
see this type of U new new technology um so typically um you know a account report would look something like this where you have charts graphs numbers so here's a location this is where we did a near Miss analysis in Tallahassee Florida and at this intersection I know
it's very small to see but uh at at this site the north crosswalk had 14 users out of those 14 users on that crosswalk within those 24 hours one was considered to be near miss the East crosswalk that's the the most popular crosswalk
was 159 users out of that 159 the AI saw that nine were considered Near Miss incidents then you have the South crosswalk with 76 users eight were near miss and then 102 on the west crosswalk 16 were considered Near Miss uh so this
is interesting if if you're a an engineer a transportation planner someone involved with managing a roadway and intersection this is very good data to be looking at as far as you know how safe is my facility can it be safer can we do better this is new data that can
help Engineers planners uh make more data driven decisions so part of our results on the output so we won't just show the charts and the graphs we're going to have visuals where you can see the location itself and you can see we had put two cameras at this location you see the direction that
they're pointing at and then the raw output is what you see on the right side where you see the trajectories you see the behaviors you see a lot of activity interesting but you want to dive a little deeper you want to know more about what was actually happening with
some of these behaviors that you're seeing on the intersection so then you run the analysis and then it extracts out of those what was considered to be near Miss incidents so here's an example a bicyclist travels on Tharp Road Tharp Street and deviates in the middle of the
intersection to allow a vehicle to pass and then continues westbound so you can see that's a an uncomfortable situation for both the driver and the bicyclist bicyclist is kind of out there in no man's land and that is where it considered that to be a near Miss
incident and it it made that event documented uh this is another location at that location so here bicyclist is using West Crocs Rock properly travels near an incoming vehicle performing a left turn in the intersection so another similar incident where you have left
turn uh conflicts uh this year the bicyclist had the right to move they had the signal um they may have should be have been walking their bicycle maybe not riding it uh but that is another example of showing a near Miss
incident same location but at night these cameras can also detect at night we know that lighting could definitely be uh a component in regard to safety at intersections so here uh pedestrian Crossing West crosswalk and needs to stop due to vehicle performing a left
term in a low visibility environment so here The Pedestrian had to stop moving actually uh for that car to pass through hang on it already passed pass the point Sorry that car is turning left already passed well that guy's going to turn yeah well it's so why did he have
to stop he's already passed it I'd have to run go back to the video but that that's what was documented you could actually the going the other way never mind never mind you could be going the other way right yes right yeah I could barely like barely see it's really
dark yeah okay right part part of the issue visibility lighting yep so okay uh another example this is a location where we were looking at the performance of a midblock crosswalk uh this is also in Tallahassee uh and here
what you're seeing there is 24-hour counts on a Thursday 24-hour counts on a Saturday that's the same methodology we're going to apply to these three locations that we're going to do in Pasco uh so in that location I know it's hard to see uh but there was 250
Travelers that was noticed on the corridor 43 of those 200 50 were utilized in the bid block crosswalk eight of those users was considered to be near miss and then on the Saturday very similar the amount of uh traffic
that was documented 266 Travelers caught on the corridor 91 used the mid block 15 were considered to be N Miss so that's just what it looks like on charts and graphs uh but then uh we show this is
the site itself there was the camera the the direction that it was pointing in then you can see the raw output of the bicycle and pedestrian movements that were captured so I'm sure already you can see interesting behaviors uh certainly you can see that the crosswalk
isn't being utilized but if you were curious if you wanted to know more about what was exactly happening were any of those yellow and red lines not Crossing at the crosswalk what was going on at that at those moments was there any near miss you can run the analysis and then
it extracts what was considered to be be in Miss so here pedestrian starts Crossing westbound near the gas station driveway and passes near an incoming vehicle uh entering us27 from the East leg of Sherer Road it represents a near misc case where the driver had to evade
The Pedestrian which is crazy because the sidewalk the crosswalk is right there very close yes catch a lot of interesting behaviors here's another one uh this is right by a Transit stop so you can see
here four pedest depart the bus shown at the bus stop on the East uh sidewalk and perform a mid block Crossing behind the bus and travel westbound onto the median uh and so this is where it was considered this caught this as a near Miss
incident and then finally uh it's my last example a pedestrian moves North through the East Sidewalk as he passes through the gas station driveway a truck enters the gas station representing a possible near Miss incident with a pedestrian so here you can see this is a typical access management challenge uh
there is no crosswalk there for The Pedestrian so part of what we do you know we try to collect high quality data we then give it to our client to our stakeholders and you know allow that data to help speak for itself or or let the community make decisions or
discussions about what can be done you know possibly installing a crosswalk possibly installing more signage for drivers to be mindful of uh incoming pedestrians considerations like that and you know having data like this really helps um you know stimulate that
discussion so that's uh the final slide for this presentation I'm happy to take any questions commissioner thank you um you know we just saw a presentation about safety up and down 19 all these heat Maps Etc and maybe CR Ranch is one of
those spots but I don't know if the other ones are and and maybe one of them is right in there looks a little bit away from it but if I've got all these Heats spots and I think there's a ton of money out there for federal reimbursement with the safety study we
did up and down the area why wouldn't we take safety and look at 19 up and down especially focusing in on zooming into where these hotpots really are and start looking to get that as opposed to what you're doing now well as I understand all three of these locations have safety
concerns there have been past um fatalities and incidents at all three of these locations I I know um the project manager at the time was when scoping this project was seeking um input from the public in regard to locations to consider so I know that these three
locations have safety um safety incident concerns certainly I'm sure there's plenty of other locations um so that's part of the objective of this study is to help show um the capabilities of the technology and I loved when you said that you know we want to zoom in closer
this this is the type of technology that can help you with that that's fine but back to my point we we spent we got a grant for $500,000 last year from the from the feds to go look at study US 19 being a safety corridor you've got that
data why aren't I doing more than one spot on us9 which is my biggest red zones so so this is a demonstration Grant we wanted to try some new technology to look at Behavior near Miss crashes and then incorporate that into
the Safety Action Plan currently we had a as you know the Administration has changed so we had the grant kind of uh come to a hold until the money can be dispersed so once that money comes in again we'll be able to start that plan um part of the plan will be
incorporating this uh micr Mobility into the Safety Action Plan and then actually making a micr Mobility plan but first we wanted to see what the technology could do for us what it can actually not do we wanted to see the pros and cons is this something we wanted to dive into so far
we're liking what we see we actually get to see the behaviors prior to the crash happening which is a big big uh factor in how then you respond to what treatments need to go onto the road so this is kind of what we're looking at we
just picked three major spots that were high uh crash areas and then we're going in from there the Safety Action Plan will then dive deeper and look at up and down 19 AC cross 54 and drill down highly into that and will incorporate the data we got from the micr Mobility
plan as well all right but this the the starky Gap spot over 54 we're actually going through and building that anyway correct is that being is that being funded built I believe so yes okay so it's being built right now so you're going to go study an intersection you're already going to improve so the data
that you're going to collect here is going to be useless once that thing goes up and running anyway so you're already you're already addressing the problem that's there you still get problems up and down 19 that the Fed told you hello f f my phone my phone Wasing up
talking like series everywhere um but you're going to go get data for something that's going to be changing I mean unless you're trying to verify why we need to have it done but I think you've already proven that you wanted to get that done correct and yes you're right we could be making improvements but that doesn't mean that
down the line there can't be more issues happening or occurring that we could look at we're going to look at all of our hotspots and even though with improvements you still want to and I'm you still want to look and you want to treat I think I'm being very loud but
the federal government my point is the federal government gave you funds $500,000 or so to go study US1 19 if you're going to study US 19 I don't know how much money of this 500 you spent but it would make a lot more sense to me to go zoom into where these issues are and I know you got see Ranch there that's
good but there should be probably a few more spots in 19 I'd be looking at I mean I'd like to see what what happens at Grand Boulevard wouldn't you yeah I think there's a lot of intersections down down 19 that we would like to get looked at of course and that's the Safety Action Plan and the micr Mobility plan are two separate plans well so I
just that's what I just want to make sure and we haven't even started the safety action plan yet like I said we're about to hopefully in the next two weeks we can get funds released to actually start that process and it's about $400,000 so yeah no we're we're getting we're getting to that point but as
you're saying this this is new technology that we are going to incorporate into the Safety Action Plan does that make sense it it does but it still doesn't get to my point I got issues out there right now I got money already invested in I got the feds behind it so doesn't make sense to me why you picking what you're picking how
much money are we looking at here and where's this funding coming from as far as the dis the Safety Action Plan no this right here this current plan that's only 20 it was only 25,000 we spent with Mar Marlin engineering this is just this
is just a plan to to see how the Technologies being used and capability we did not want to dump in a exorbitant amount of money without knowing actually how it works and what we were trying to do with the plan we wanted to see the technology first that's why we only
picked three spots those spots are not all the spots in the county we know this it was just a three we just chose three just to see how it would look in a high crash area that gives us a kind of taste or flavor of what we need to do can we change the spots you can we will do
another task order and make it wider and then go into further into a plan this is just this is just the beginning so to speak all right so can we make a change if the board decided to right now to go change your locations we already have the task order we have to change the
task order and they've already set up the cameras I believe but we can make another task order if you'd like if you'd like me to do another task order I surely can we can pick three more locations and the board can pick the three locations I have no problem with that I I will tell you I'm comfortable that with this decision already made
already set up before it comes before before the board we we did bring the task order though we did we did bring it as informational item but you're more than welcome to bring we going to do more locations this is not the last I would I would just say that next the next round or or wherever goes you know
we definitely need to focus on 19 hotpots you know huge huge issue matter of fact' be good if we didn't maybe the next meeting Let's go ask I as asked let's go zoom in this picture let's go find out what's what's going on where the hottest spots are and let's go take
a look at that so we we can make a good decision where we want to see the next things coming up I am totally that sounds like a good idea I love it I I have a question and I might be for you I'm not sure but so when we're talking about like cross walks and near
misses I know too many times I can count I've been hit the button either the button broken and I keep hitting it and I'm waiting there for like minutes and they're broken so therefore I'm trying to time it on my own so I mean just
recently in Dade City that happened so it would have counted me as a near Miss but so my question is who checks all those buttons to make sure they're working because if they're not working then people are just going to do what I was doing and trying to time it right I
I would assume that would be the the local traffic engineer or or their consultant engineer that would be managing those uh we would not be managing uh you know the signal buttons do you know tenia yeah
that good morning Nick youen County engineer I apologize I missed the question no I said uh who who actually checks the buttons for the for the safety like for the crosswalks cuz there's been multiple times like I've hit the button and the button broke or
I'm waiting there and it's just it's not working so then I just cross when I think you know it's safe to cross send me a note when that happens and I'll have my traffic operations team investigate correct yeah we we maintain all of the signal infrastructure even on the state highways we get uh funding
from the state to maintain the traffic signals but the proper functioning of the equipment is our responsibility okay so it's my team if you if you ask me we'll get it taken care of and in city limits is that Pasco as well or is that the city that's it is it's us as well at
the county okay yep you push the button Mr chairman I I'll give one more thought yes I just got a text from commissioner Stark who's watching and she said so she said I'm going to do open for Sunshine uh that we don't have the funding in place for the
for the overpass yet so we'll leave it as is that data might help us okay if I could just add also a a big component of the Strategic plan is to map all of the additional requested locations uh for data collection and
that's where we really want to get I've been in too many rooms where you have an fot District a city a county an no everyone's doing their own counts and not talking to each other and this is where we're trying to put everything on one plan so that everyone can see it and
then now we can emphasize data sharing so that if you know the no will do what it can with its resources and then hopefully a city County f. District can also uh come in uh collect that data as well and you know share that data so so
we can have one platform we know it cost a lot of money to do data collection like this so this will help um with the Strategic plan will help to be more efficient Mr chairman commissioner if we added one more spot how quick could you adjust to to get one out
there wouldn't take too long on our end on Marvin cuz I tell you even even for right now now though just from what I had brought up before about the Cody River under pass I would I wouldn't mind you taking the one from SE ranch or adding one somewhere down at that Grand
Boulevard intersection there to see what's going on so whether you got to change the task to add that on there but I think we should add that on there because that could be good information coming up in the near future what location at at Grand Boulevard in US 19 yeah and we're getting ready to to uh
modify that intersection too that's happen that information might be good for right now so how what would it take to add that into it or swap out one and and I'll say swap out C Ranch
one as quick as the task going process okay yeah and I I need to take a look at it I we had um we had gone out into the sites and done U site evaluations uh we got to make sure that we have an exact
location where the camera would fit the lens would would be able to you know to capture everything needed how many cameras would we need so I just that wouldn't take too long you know I can do that by next week I'm going to make a motion to give staff the flexibility to add gu Justin up behind you sorry Justin
all fdot district 7 so US1 19 we're actually doing exactly what they're presenting to you up and down the entire Corridor Pasco Hernando and citers counties um so if you want us to prioritize that intersection I can do that we have a consultant doing same
thing near Miss analysis cameras uh and uh so we could prioritize that intersection hav it turned around we don't have to issue a new task because their task is for the entire stretch of US 19 all right if you would prioritize a Grand Boulevard intersection done awesome thank you thank you all right
I'm good all right great and we'd like to add those sites to the Strategic plan awesome perfect anyone else with questions good okay no action needed on this one um thank you sir thank you good
stuff um all right we'll move on to other business um you want to go first with legislative oh no I was going to f oh you're that to sorry um with the uh Florida ter P Enterprise update responses to the
questions we had from uh December meeting all right so I just wanted to discuss the letter in Clos from the turnpike uh from the last meeting it pertains to a motion made on December 10th 2024 at the N board the motion is
as follows uh fdot in collaboration with the Turnpike Authority N and County staff will explore the development of a plan to propose a park and ride facility along the Sun Coast near the operations area um in Pasco County uh currently the
no and go Pasco uh we're working on a Transit development plan that will identify Transit needs which will will include a services on Southern Co Parkway um so we are currently reviewing it and the transit development plan but I however I do have uh ktina cavalle
from FTE to have further discussion and I also have Nina Elken with go Pasco as well good morning uh Kina cavic Turnpike transportation planning manager and I'm here to uh address I guess the initial motion that was made in December we did
respond with a letter and we uh have had a lot of coordination um Dot and and the Enterprise believe that the vision comes from the locals which is your Mo and you make those decisions um and so we've been coordinating uh not only with your
Mo but uh with your pcpt uh Nina and you actually have two Park and rides um one 54 scheduled and Ridge and those facilities ultimately CU I read your comp plan last night and you're and they're they're going through a process where there is ultimately um you're
going to have potential transfer stations or park and rides and then they're going to use our asset which is Sun Coast and have a brt and uh actually the your neighbors to the north are planning something similar and to use our Corridor uh in a similar fashion so
I'm here to kind of you know address any concerns or questions that you guys might have um currently we are in a PDN uh next month we'll be coming to do uh a presentation we'll be coming to the boards to the TAC uh CAC and bpac um I have been coordinating with Tania um
some of the board members want to see the presentation beforehand and so uh before we go uh to give you our final results on 54 the widening projects because remember this is the first phase we're in pd&e and then we go straight to design right afterwards we have funding
for design uh next year so when you have your one-on ones next month um I I think that uh there's I'm going to be jumping in uh to meet with all of you if that's that's all right uh before we go to your committees and then before we do a public Hearing in April so with that
I'll take any questions I know there was a lot of conversations of you know what we want to be when we grow up you know because you guys are still in your teenage years and I want to assure you that we we at Turnpike are coordinating with our local districts we're looking
at what you want to what your your uh strategic plans are in the future but we also are looking at our own asset as well as we're growing and developing and just so you know the priority right now for the Enterprise is that we hit us 19 the Sun Coast will hit us 19 by 2030 you
will have 83 miles of a regionally significant Corridor so as you are doing and Nina and Tania and and Nick kind of assessing your assets along the Sun Coast so is Hernando and
citrus with that I'll take any questions Mr chairman commissioner and Contin thank you for the phone call we had yesterday um I I always enjoy our phone calls talking about the letter appreciate it you and you just mentioned us 19 to Sun Coast there's going to be a connection where is that going to be is
that up is it up north in like ly County or uh it's the red zone I don't I don't I don't have the exact Lo I'm not really that familiar with we're talking up way up North though um what we plan on doing is is having a presentation after the PDN we
have some Drone footage so you can see what's happening up north and and the connections there all right I just want make sure I make sure you would bring it something across from the Sun Coast to 19 but okay um and you know back to the vision of as far as the locals go tell
me where you look the park and rides are looked at for uh 54 and ridge we actually we looked at it uh earlier if uh if you want to pull it up good morningin goas director so we have two U
bark and rides one um off S Coen rich rich road on um what is it called this that one is Rich right this is okay so one is on the Southeast corner of brige Road on Sun Coast and
the other one is on the North West corner of 54 and sun all right so North so 54 is in Ridge they both go east west so they they don't intersect but yes so there is the one on 54 that it's already there it's existing park and ride and the one on
rich road is part of the maffet um project and that will be built within the next couple years all right so hang on let's let's stay stay where you were please go back M so that that parket ride that's there that's where the kind of the bikes bike people go as well is that what what really primarily that's
what it is so it's a parking ride a bus stop goes there and where does it go from there right now we are not currently we're not serving that that bus stop so it's proposed well it's in there um but we will have to make some adjustments if we would like to go into it and turn around to go back to the
sand Coast but uh the the park on ride is there where I mean whereabouts is it going to be right where Arrow was I'm not sure what's the name of that um
development but it's just that the gas station is in the front public is across the street so and how many how many parking spots you expect to have with that parking ride excuse me how many response do you have expect to have the parking ride I would want to say about 30 to 40 all right this is going to be a a bus coming in that's going to pick
people yes but that's the plan with our um we just finished our rat study so um we will be we planning on going in and out so is a bus going to R east west or north south west currently we have a bus uh Route 54 that goes east and west and potentially once we go through the our
Transit development plan we will be looking into San Coast um and express route or you know feasibility of putting a an express route on San Coast to go down to but if you're going have 30 spots even if you had a Bus full mhm I mean a regular bus you you're going to
fill it at what half capacity well we have 27 seats on a bus so so you fill it f fill it up if no one else gets in there no one else parks there so clearly that's not going to be enough space to do something big yeah oh the one on Rich
Road that's in um being built it's not ready yet but no Road South yeah right there right there up north a little bit no up yeah yeah see everything gravitates to that spot I picked out
go back going way too far yeah I say where's okay there we go there we go Wilton way that's where this isge road so so once uh they start the construction they road construction then
that's going to be built there and I think I believe there are like 30 spaces as well um there's going to be a roundabout I mean if I remember the plans um there's that's going to be a um signal signal that instor section and then it's
going to go down to I think mid Sun Lake I don't know Nick you can do you recall that that road that is being built is going to connect with sun Lake right there I don't know if you remember I don't have I don't remember the plan yeah it it look like the sun sun Lake
going south of lake or all right so again you get 30 spots again all right now let's go back to the other one you really wanted to go to oh uh 52 yeah where where the Red Dot was no there's a third one that they're looking at oh okay where's that one so the one that you you're mentioned is
between Rich Road and 54 yeah right but let's let's take a look what else you got so that's the the only one I don't have a we don't have a park on right on 52 so you're not looking for one there no we we would like to but way in the future that's way in the future yeah all right there's a POS
there's a possibility there an old um uh Florida Highway Patrol station that's there that has been used for a bit they're talking about putting some type of a shelter there but there's probably a good amount of parking that could be there that could be a opportunity right on 52 yeah just matter of fact right where that arrow is yes
right there to the right to there that's the one that we were talk yeah that's what we're talking about yeah that will be so there could be there could be some space there um all right so now let's go down to the Red Dot and the sun Co you had there that's the right spot right there
the headquarters there okay so with all that spot there and uh Cina when we were talking we talk about they got drainage issues with the roads being paved Etc as I look to the Sun Coast to the side you've got drainage that's is on the on the west side there too and then there's
more room even further in we can probably get to to probably create some more storage but I would like before you guys lock in what you want to go do and I know the Enterprise is got to make a rate of return for their investors but I got to think there's got to be some
great value with all that land I think we figured it was enough for like 1,700 parking spots and I know and I appreciate you're looking at Logan Express what did what did you see at the locan Express site that you thought was okay but you thought you could do better on well we have there's more to it
there's a there's a whole entire there's a whole entire process to it um and what we we would um as a community we prefer that we talk to our locals um and and see what the true need is right now and when it comes to data right now we have not only the PDN but we're looking at a
master plan for our full facil facility so um to uh lock Us in on something that you know isn't feasible in the future for us that's where the concern is for Turnpike um and so right now we have our operational Center we have FHP we have
our Rangers out there um I think if you wait next month and see the full impact of what our our plans are for the widening um this is a further phase further down the line of what we what we plan for our facility um but in regards
to Logan um you know I I think it depends on what we want to do as a region there's there's multiple projects out there that I think people don't know that are still in the works that we just need to connect the Doss as as you heard from Nina there's Park and Ride facilities there's potential transfer
centers that you guys are looking for because I read your comp plan and and you're revising your TDP that's more of going to the mo setting the vision of what you want to be and then you know obviously getting into the queue for like the brt that you want to do and
going back to the district for that um for as you know Turnpike is a is a tolling facility you know we are statutorily protected we reinvest in ourselves so we resurface we widen we look at our facility on a yearly basis um but there's opportunities and a
regional aspect from all the partners to create the vision that you want to be so it's not we're just one tool in the toolbox there's multiple uh you know Avenues to get there um as you saw so you know potential future transfer stations you know if 54 doesn't work
work there's something up there you know so it's it's hard to lock something in now as there's so many moving Parts in your region like a regional Mo like different you know things that are shifting like multiple plans on the table all we need to do is just continue
to coordinate and continue to communicate and just make sure we understand where everybody needs to go and so I'll leave it at that well I'll say again as far as like you ask us for on a vision I'm going to tell you we have a vision where we like to be able to go to the airport with a lot more ease we know how busy it is down there
and I know it's a big issue for DOT spending a fortune down that uh down that whole Corridor as far as trying to get people around you still got people going there so we can find a way to get less trips down there but still get the people there I think it's a very worthwhile thing for the region and not
only the benefit of your your shareholders but I got to think there's a way we can work with all that empty land is doing nothing and I'll be happy to see what you're going to go do but if you can allow people to get there drop it off they can support your Plaza they're going to support your tolles they going to spend money to get there anyway in and out picking people up back
and forth you can charge for parking you can make other things work and being that do has set the turnike authority up to fund things to make Transportation work better it's not just a matter of what your shareholders want to do but Etc but how do we move people better and if if it worked in Boston because it got
so crowded in there with the big digging and everything else there that bus Road was like probably 15 miles back and forth to the city but every par park there it's not a pretty site you can make it a pretty site but the effectiveness of having something this far in a very central location close to
maet we can make it easy for like a park and ride thing to not park and ride but a free ride thing where they can get shuttled back and forth at no charge mafa could fund that we could work with DOT to get a bus to run up and down as well I think it's a huge opportunity and may not be exactly what you thought or
what you want to do but I think it's better for the region if you really work with us to go at least let's go see what we can do before you lock in your plans well what what we we we're going to stand by the letter that we're going to defer to the no to look at what you want to do alongside the corridor but
actually you've already set the foundations for yourself um and what Nina showed you is you've established a foundation to have the park and rides and create your brt in the future so you're a little ahead of some of your partners up in the north um it's not on
our facility obviously because we have plans and we're continuously uh you know uh fixing modif making modifications but again we need to let the process at a local level take effect we will obviously take your comments back um but again there's processes that we need to
follow and that's how we can move forward but as of right now um we are you know uh we're going to stick by the letter and state you know anything along our facility because remember we're in a PDN then we go to design we've got a couple of you know years of going
through all the public engagement and analyzing all the the data what we need to do to lock Us in right now or to State something that you know we need to lock ourselves in that's not really feasible but what you have done as a community is seeing the needs of of getting access to the airport and have
already set that Foundation along the corridor which is more efficient than um you know where everybody can congregate together and you can expand those Services accordingly turnpike right now has a different path of what we're doing and we can discuss further if if you'd like
but we're going to we're going to stand by we you know we're always communicating coordinating um we just we have different Visions but we are solid partners and that's what we need to do is hear the different components of that but I I I completely understand where you're coming from um but I need the
process to happen first just understand that 30 spots here and 30 spots there is not going to get it done thank you thank you anything else any questions right thank you all right legislative update Mr
tenia I hearing a lot from me today all right so last week um the three directors from Pascal pelis and Hillsboro were invited by Senator Jay Collins to present at the Florida Senate Transportation committee regarding the Tampa Bay M merger this provided next
opportunity to engage in uh dialogue with our elected officials uh such um about such a significant initiative particularly Fe feedback from myself and and and in regards to pasco's needs during this process um it was a really
remarkable experience actually having um an audience with um the fot assistant secretary Kim Holland who was over strategic development will Watts who's over engineering operations uh we were PR they were present to share their Insight from a state perspective
regarding mpos and transportation projects we had Gary hutman who is the executive director of metrop plan Orlando uh provide a like kickoff to the meeting as a merged Mo uh to give his perspective of um an overview and to um
provide that Insight which was very useful and then uh Johnny my Johnny Wong my Dr Johnny Wong myself and Whit Blandon were uh asked a series of questions by the transportation Committee in which we all got to respond
honestly openly um and provide feedback uh with challenge comments or concerns uh brought who are from our board um and as ourselves as staff directors the conversation went really well we were able to have great dialogue and Senator Jay Collins said his doors open if we
ever need anything through this Regional merger or any other Transportation needs um additionally um I have set out to meet with Senators angolia Hooper and Burgess and representatives hul magum steel joerger and magard uh over the next couple weeks to provide an update
of the regional merger anything else questions comments thank you appreciate it um our next meeting will be Thursday
March 13th 10:00 a.m. over in Dade City uh does anybody have anything else before we commissioner just one item um I was talking to some residents out in Shady Hills we had a bus Road up there I know we've talked about it there but I got some new information I'll share with you um they say the reason the people
aren't taking the bus there cuz the bus runs to the north all the jobs run to the South so for someone to get on that bus from what I'm told is like a three or four hour deal to get up and around and go so it doesn't work for them so I'd like to have our team look at that
is before you shut this thing down U nothing matters shutting it down cuz no one's riding it anyway but let's go look at how we can improve it where we can get that maybe the a bus to the north and running down to the South okay so what again n go Pasco director just
wanted to let you know that yes that route is not is our low performance route um it's cting a lot of money to maintain a rout that really is only a couple of people that ride the bus uh every day so what we're going to be doing is uh providing alternative uh
mode of transportation based we have other funding sources like TD or OAA so individuals that live within that area that need Transportation they can get get in touch with us and we will uh assist them where their with their needs and it might might work there's a um there's a free ride that Justin and I
had talked about there's a free ride that can actually take like a Toyota Sienna van to go it takes like seven people you could maybe start with trying that out we could do a joint venture and just start from the northern part that'll get them down to like Gary's Plastics and then if they're going further south where they can pick
something else up maybe in the Hudson area or on Little Road and they can pick a bus up from there yes that and that's what we we just finished our R study which is just as I mentioned before is just the this the ation of our of our current system now we just uh started our Transit development plan and that's
when we will address different uh service expansions um throughout the county we're also looking into piloting um microtransit in the center part of the uh alone 41 in Lando Lakes and if that is successful we we are planning to increase other you know to add more
zones to to the system and that is just to um you know to provide access to transportation to our residents and then bring them also to to use them as a fitter into our transit system so they can you know get around easily and faster and efficient so thank you thank
you any other questions comments pry good all right then we will adjourn all right thank you everybody meeting