Okay. So, if we could have a moment of silence. Stand for a moment of silence and pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under
God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. All right, madam clerk, can we have the roll call, please? >> Jamie Jardy >> here. >> Christopher P >> here. >> John Moody >> here. >> Matthew M >> here. >> Derek Hauntlets.
>> Chris Williams >> here. >> Sharon Charles Dre >> here. And the proof of publication, please. The items were advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on April 22nd, 2026 and June 24th, 2026 and by affidavit.
>> Thank you. [cough and clears throat] Like to welcome everybody today. We're the planning commission. We're appointed by the board of county commissioners and we meet uh twice monthly. We serve as a local planning agency and we hold public hearing to transmit to the board of
county commissioners our recommendations on comprehensive plan amendments, land development code amendments, reszonings, and conditional use requests. Planning commission is the final decision-making body for special exceptions, certain appeals, variance
requests, certain alternative standard requests. However, final decisions may be appealed to the board of county commissioners. Anyone is in opposition to any comprehensive plan amendment, a land development code amendment,
or [clears throat] any amendment where we transmit a recommendation to the board of county commissioners. It would be important for you to attend the board of county commissioner meeting. We have those dates available. Those of you who are not familiar with the format of our
meetings, uh there are three sections usually uh con continuences, consent items, and regular items. I don't know if we have consent any continuence items today, but uh what we'll do is we'll go through
each one and if there's something on there that you would like to have heard on the regular items, please raise your hand. We'll pull it from the consent items and we will uh hear it under the under the regular item
discussion. >> [clears throat] >> Applicants today will have uh five minutes to make their presentation and questioners or people here from the public with concerns or recommendations
will have three minutes to make their presentations and then the applicant will have an opportunity to come back up and and answer many of those questions. >> [clears throat] >> So, um,
is everybody hear me okay out there? Okay. [clears throat] >> I think and I think we've had uh a request for extra time. >> Yes, Mr. Chair. Item PC 13 and 14, we had a request for extra time from the applicant for 20 minutes.
>> Okay. Okay. So, it's a requirement that if there is a request at least 24 hours prior to this meeting for extra time and the extra time may be granted and subject to the approval of the chairman.
Uh, this is an opportunity if you're here and you have a a device like a phone that would make noise, please take a moment to get out of your pocket or your purse, put it on the silent position so we won't disturb anyone. And before [clears throat] we start the
regular meeting, this will be the time when if anybody's here that has a question or a concern, be your opportunity to come up and bring that to our attention and see if we can help you out in any way. So, if you're here for
something that is not on today's agenda, um please raise your hand. >> Mr. Chair, we did not have anybody signed up for general public comment today. >> Okay, great. So then for for those who would like to give testimony today, I'd
ask that you stand now and raise your right hand and be sworn >> right hand. >> Do you swear over the testimony you're about to give to help you God? Some of you didn't use your right hand.
So, uh I don't know if you don't know which is your right hand or you just you know anyway I'll I'll accept that as big comment. [snorts] Okay. >> Good afternoon planning commission members. Gianna German, planning development. Before you go any further,
Janna, let me uh just say that I note here that we have some minutes to approve. >> Oh, yes. >> Can we uh get a motion to approve of those minutes? >> Motion to approve the minutes from the August 27th, September 4th workshops and the November 20th, February 5th, February 19th, 2026
planning commission meetings. >> Second. >> We have a motion to approve the minutes as presented. We have a second. [clears throat] Any further discussion of the minutes? If not, all in favor of approval signifi signifying by saying I >> I
>> opposed like sign. Okay. Motion carries. Now you're ready. >> Okay. Good afternoon, planning commission members. Diana German, Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. Uh we did not have any items published on continuence today. The first item we have on consent is item PC6. It's PTE 267935,
a zoning amendment in the name of GF Coast CCM, Inc. for a change in zoning from a C2 general commercial district with conditions to C2 general commercial district located in south central Pasco County at the northwest corner of the intersection of State Road 54 and Wesley
Chapel Boulevard on approximately 15.59 acres and this is coming with the request of excuse me this is coming with the recommendation of approval to the board of county commissioners of the proposed resoning request. >> Okay. Is the applicant present?
Anyone here to object? Okay. Do we have any other consent items? >> Yes, we have other items that are listed on consent. However, uh the remainder of our consent items, excluding PC7, we have individuals signed up to speak on these items.
>> Okay, just for the record, then let let me just make sure that all the [laughter and clears throat] applicants are here if there are items going to be pulled. So PC7 >> PC7 is PD267866 a zoning amendment in the name of
Chanzup LLC Chanzep MPD Master Plan Unit development for a reszoning request from AR Agricultural Residential District to MPUD master plan unit development district to allow for the development of 96 platted town homes and associated infrastructure located in southeast Pasco County south of Chanse Road
approximately 777 feet east of Chanse Road and Gaul Boulevard intersection. containing approximately 20.42 acres. And this item was published on consent. However, the applicant has now requested that the item be continued to the August 6th, 2026 PC meeting at 1:30 p.m. in
Dade City or soon thereafter may be heard. And there are individuals that were signed up to speak on this item as well. >> So, the applicant is here is here. Okay. And they want a continuence. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. What was the date of that meeting?
August 6th, >> 88. Is that a city? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Um Okay. So, there are some people here that would have wanted to speak on this item. Um [clears throat]
the the applicant has requested a continuence for any number of reasons. could the applicant or the staff can request a a continuence been our accustomed to uh granted continuence.
However, if it's something that happens in the west side of the county, it needs to be continued to that date or east of that east side of the county continued to that date. So, in this case, it would be on August the 8th back here at this
location. So, >> August Is there anybody here that would like still like to speak on this item today? Because um it's not going to be presented today. If you do speak [clears throat] on it today, then you can't speak on it on
August the 8th. >> August. >> August 6th. >> Yeah. August 6th. >> 6th. Okay. I thought it was the 8th. >> August 6th. Okay. So, nobody wants to speak on this one. Okay. >> Excuse
>> this is for speak today. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> So, that'll be closer towards the end of the agenda. >> The short answer is no. >> We're discussing the Chanzip
currently. >> Okay. That's uh That's [clears throat] going to be it's the motion is for to to consent. Do I hear a motion? I mean the continuence. Do I hear that motion? >> I'll move to continue item PC.
>> Second. >> Have a motion. Second. Any further discussion of the motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I. >> Those like sign. >> Okay. The motion carries. Item PC8 is PTE 26007
and you'll be sitting as the local planning agency for this one. This item has a companion zoning item which is PC9 PTE 267832. Item PC8 is a smallcale conference of plan amendment in the name of 06 gagy mpud providing for a conference of plan
amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 23 changing from res 9 residential 9 dwelling units per gross acre to res 24 residential 24 dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 18.634 acres located in the southeast corner of
the intersection of US highway 301 also known as G Boulevard and Chansy Road. This item as well as item PC9, the companion item, now have individuals signed up to speak and we ask that the item be moved to the regular agenda. All right. Is the applicant
[clears throat] present? Okay. So, there's PE there are people here to speak on that one. So, we're moving this to the regular agenda. Do we um
let's just go to the next one because I understand there's others that are going to be pulled >> and then we can vote on them all at one time. >> Okay. Um PC9, this was the companion to PC8. >> Mhm. >> PD267832. It is a zoning amendment in the name of Gagy Robert H. Trust Gagy MPD master
plan unit development for a resoning request from an MPUD master plan unit development district to an MPUD master plan unit development district to allow for the development of 300 multif family apartment units and 30,000 square ft of commercial uses and associated infrastructure located in southeast
Pasco County at the southeast corner of the intersection of Chansy Road and Gaul Boulevard containing approximately 18.63 acres. And this one also has individuals signed up to speak on this item. >> Okay. Okay. And the applicants present. Okay.
All right. Next >> item PC10. It is PTE26 2114. A variance request in the name of Jordan Lee Dobby and Jordan Man Baron Dobby. I apologize if I said that wrong. It's a request to reduce for the rear, excuse me, the
required rear yard set back from 50 feet to 29 ft in an AC agricultural district as required by LDC section 503.8. C located in northeast Pasco County on Powerline Road approximately 1.6 miles north of the Frzy Hill Road containing
approximately 10.67 acres. This is coming with the recommendation of approval of the proposed variance with conditions as set forth under the recommended condition section to authorize the chairman to execute one of the original variance orders provided to the board records to distribute as set forth under the distribution section
below. This item does not have anybody signed up to speak on it. >> Pardon me. This item does not have any individuals signed up to speak. >> Okay. All right. And was there a recommendation that it be pulled or no? >> That it be pulled? >> No. Remain on consent.
>> There's nobody here to speak. >> This item is on consent. Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, it's staying on consent. Okay. [clears throat] >> Is there are there any other items are going to stay on consent? >> Um, no sir. Item PC11 has individuals signed up to speak and that is the
remainder of the consent agenda. Okay. So, do I have a motion to approve the consent item PC? >> So, moved. >> We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Those like sign.
>> Okay. Motion carries. Okay. >> Okay. Next. >> Okay. >> All right. Would you like me to go through item PC8 first and have those individuals that got pulled go up prior to the regular agenda? >> Yeah, that's fine.
>> Okay. >> [snorts] >> Dang. [snorts] Good afternoon. Hi, Missy PL development and economic growth. We're just uh having a couple um technical difficulties. So, we will start very soon once uh Miss Patty
>> is able to pull up the presentation. >> I hope everybody enjoyed their lunch. >> Yes, it was delightful. Great. Do we have coffee? Did we have coffee? >> Coffee? No. Are you telling us we're going to need it? >> Yeah. [laughter]
Great. Thank you. >> Okay. Again, my name is H. Visali, planning, development, and economic growth. And I will be presenting agenda item PC8, which is a comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPAS2507
Gagy MPUD. We'll start with the project overview. So the applicant is proposing a comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use classification um from res 9 residential nine dwelling unit per gross acre to rest 24
residential 24 dwelling unit per gross acre to allow for the development of a maximum 300 multifamily dwelling units on approximately 15.267 267 acres which is a portion of approximately of an
approximately 18.3 18.634 acre parcel. The subject site is located on the southeast corner of the intersection of US highway 301 or gold boulevard and chansy road. There is a
companion reszoning application in the name of Gagy Robert H. Trust Gagy MPUD which will be presented to you right after my presentation. >> Okay, >> this is a map showing the general location of the subject site. So the
subject site is generally located in the east market area. And this is an aerial showing the exact location of the subject site on the southeast corner of the intersection of G Boulevard and Chansia Road.
This is a context map that um provides the surrounding context of the subject site. As you can see, the surrounding area includes a mix of residential neighborhoods as well as commercial corridors. The city of Zephr Hills lies immediately to the east as highlighted
in purple. And um overall the subject site is within an active area of growth um with strong connectivity to transportation routes and adjacent residential, commercial and
okay it was jumping. Okay, there you go. As I was saying, the subject site is an active growth area with strong connectivity to transportation roads and adjacent residential and commercial uses. This slide shows that the subject site
is within the airport approach surface area. this Zephr Hills airport and this one is showing the airport influence area. The red star is our subject site
and this map is showing both the Zephr Hills airport influence area and the airports the airport approach surface area overlay district. So while the subject site is not directly within the most restrictive runway protection zone,
it still remains within the brother airport vicinity. Uh meaning that land use and height restrictions are applicable as established in the land development code. This is a map showing the existing future land use as res 9
and also comm is to the north of the subject site and res 9 is in the southern portion. And this is another map showing the proposed future land use. Res 24. As you notice on this map, the
portion comm or commercial is staying or remaining as is. We're not it's not part of this proposed um future land use amendment. These are the policies that the proposed the comprehensive plan policies that the
proposed amendment is consistent with. And with that, the planning development economic growth recommends the local planning agency to find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the board of county commissioners.
And I'm available to answer any questions you may have. >> Okay, any questions? Apparently not. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Is the applicant present?
Thank you, Shelley Johnson. 6400 Madison Street and I have been sworn. Um, we do have our team here today to answer any questions or concerns that come up. I just wanted to give you a little bit of background on this property, a little history. I'm I'm sure the staff will will share it with you as well, but this actually was um known as the Rucks MPD.
I don't know if any of you remember it from 2004. Um uh we did it a RX West MPD and a RX East MPUD um in the city of Zephr Hill. So this thing has been around forever. Um it ultimately became the Cobblestone MPD. And when it was the
cobblestone MPD, the parcel that we're amending right now today or or trying to amend actually had um a commercial uh component to it or entitlement to it. It was called parcel A and it had 170,000 square ft of commercial on it along with
a C2 specific use for a a grocery store um with a minimum size of 100,000 square ft. So there was a pretty significant amount of commercial development that was supposed to go on this parcel. Um ultimately the light that was supposed to go at the corner of Chansy and G Boulevard got moved south by do FDOT um
which kind of changed the the dynamics of the situation. So we are here to answer any questions um address any concerns. So, >> okay. Are there any questions uh from up here? >> Okay. So, um [clears throat] who who do we have signed up?
>> Mr. Chair, the individual that we had signed up for this item was signed up for both item eight and nine. Would you like to hear the presentation for the MPD? >> Let's just hear the item for eight and nine. You already did eight, so let's hear nine. >> [clears throat]
>> Good afternoon, planning commission members. Kurt Cyverson of Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. I hope you enjoyed your coffee. I'm too old to have caffeine afternoon. >> You're so late. [snorts] [laughter] >> And just remember that.
>> This is the Gagnam PUD agenda item PD 267832. So this is a resoning request from an MPUD master plan unit development district to an MPD master plan unit development district. The s entitlement is a maximum development of 30 multif
family apartment units and 30,000 ft of commercial. This is in the east market area within commissioner Oakley's district. Here's the site within the county. This is a location of
the subject site at the southeast corner of G Boulevard and Chansy Road. As I said, the current zoning is an expired NPU zoning district which necessitates new zoning action.
As heard before, the residential element has a companion comprehensive plan use amendment from res 9 to res 24 which would enable the sought entitlement of 20 units approximately 20 units per acre
and the commercial uses are utilizing the existing comm flu designation on the corner. Here's our context map. The site lies approximately 1.5 miles south of the Zephr Hills Municipal Airport. The
applicant has met the criteria of land development code section 605 that requires permissible land uses, a maximum building height, and a hold harmless agreement, all of which have been incorporated within the conditions of approval.
Here's our MPU master plan. The shaded areas are right-of-way conveyance on G Boulevard boulevard to FDOT and Crystal Springs Road. Development of the Gagy MPUD includes a developer obligation to improve Crystal Springs Road from their
southern boundary continuing where the Cobblestone MPU has improved Crystal Springs Road to the terminus of Chanse Road. The arrows indicate vehicular and pedestrian access points of the commercial and the residential elements
of the project. Here is our binding concept plan. This illustrates the building orientation of the residential element. Here, the multif family buildings shield the parking from passerby traffic of G
Boulevard, Crystal Springs Road, and they frame Stony Woods Drive, which houses existing residences as part of the Cobblestone MPUD. The commercial element is at in the corner there in red. They propose C1
neighborhood commercial uses. They are requesting one gas station and in the event a gas station is sought by the developer, we have design standards incorporated within the conditions of approval. PTE recommends approval to the board of
county commissioners of the proposed zoning amendment request with conditions. I'm available should you have any questions. >> All right. Any questions? Nothing. All right. Is the applicant present again? Shel, do you want to say anything?
>> Yeah, thank you. We're just here to answer any questions y'all have. >> Okay. Just give your name and address again, Shel. >> Uh, Shelley Johnson, 6400 Madison Street, and I have been sworn. >> Thank you very much. [clears throat] Okay. Have people lined up to speak?
>> The first, excuse me, the only individual I have signed up to speak on this item is a Mr. Wayne Scheler. >> Okay. Mr. Scheler. Mr. Scheler, if you just give us your name, address, and uh and you've been sworn. >> I've been sworn. >> Okay.
>> Uh Wayne Scheler, um 3510 Clawson Circle, Zephr Hills 4. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, I'm new at this and I'm this is my first time, but I'm urging a no vote on
all these items that I've listed on my request. uh the cumitive the accumulative impact of these proposals uh re and and recently completed developments all along these corridors
from 56 G Boulevard Chansy Road uh worsen already significant travel in this area sit sit in lights two three times as they change before you get to the intersection traffic's terrible
These proposals will directly also directly affect groundwater, destroy wetlands, rem tree tree removal, and add extensive imperous services. The changes will contribute directly to increased flooding
uh north of this area all the way into Zephr Hills by alert by altering the natural flow of the Hillsboro River. during the hurricane once in a every hundred years they have one but for months they brought water from
uh Zephr Hills and dumped it into these parcels where you want to develop them all of a sudden. Uh they dumped thousands and thousands of gallons of water for months. They were hauling 8,000 gallons of water in a truck, 20 trucks. It was a mess.
uh any of this land, Crystal Spring Roads, um all that water was released to go to the river. Uh a lot of areas in Zephr Hills are already flooding. Uh we don't need uh them to bring in hundreds
of loads of top soil to get all these places elevated so they can build on them. Uh it's it's too much right now until Zephr Hills figures out how to get the wa the groundwater
to the Hillsboro River. You're you're you're getting way ahead of the game here. I you know I don't want to bring up the flooding. It's old old news to most people. But um it's important that once you start
raising and building up these pads, that water's got to go someplace. And none of the ditches are prepared for this water to move. It's it's terrible that the Pasco County has given building permits
out to everybody and doesn't have any concern for the small people. I'm in neighborhood of 30 trailers and we're we're we're always flooded now because everybody's raised their land up around our neighborhood. Uh, I know you guys got a lot of other
things on your mind, but I've been in Florida for 20 years now. My family's been here since the 60s. Vote no, please. >> Thank you very much. Is there anything last things you wanted to say?
Anything else? >> No, I just uh kind of said I'm trying to get my commissioner to do something. >> You have to speak into the microphone. I'm sorry. I've been trying to get my county commissioner to do something and help me out and um I've made a few trips to his
office and he's pretty busy. So, I I I've gone through the county and now Swift mud. So, I'm I'm just upset that we're going to try and block the the ground flow of water going to the Hillsboro River when Zephr Hills can't
take care of it now. So, please vote no. until we get some kind of uh ability to take care of the water. I mean, anybody saw all that water flooding over on Elen Boulevard should know better than than approve anything
until they get some some way for the groundwater to move. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you for your time. >> Okay, there was nobody else on the list. >> Correct, Mr. Chair. >> Okay. Is there anybody [clears throat] that wanted to speak that hasn't spoken on
this particular item? not on the list. Please come forward. >> Good afternoon. Um 35920 Praise Police Unit 102, Zephr Hills, Florida. I have sworn Michaela Krauss. >> Thank you.
>> Um this is in my town and to have spoken with my friends and family that live in the town from Milton that had to get replaced. >> Mhm. you know, they lost their home to flooding
and it's I don't know where you guys live, but this place floods really bad. and these numbers and these maps, great, but I want to know how many pounds of, you know, dirt they're going to be
bringing in, raising this land up because you should let the lowlying neighborhoods that have been there for a long time, hey, you guys might want to move or evacuate because it's bad. It's it's scary. And I really hope you think
about these poor souls and lives that aren't here today and don't know about this and won't know about it until something catastrophic happens. >> So I really hope you consider the president. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate that.
>> Yes. I'm Cliff Moffett. I live in Crystal Springs. My main concern is the roads. The traffic is horrendous. >> If you look, [clears throat] this was an accident I witnessed on Chansy Road >> with a bicyclist. The >> It's Did you Did you get to see that? Yes. I I did witness it. I did take a
picture of it. >> You got to speak to the So, I did witness this gentleman getting hit on a bicycle because of traffic in the lights. There is no lights. There is no stop. Everybody's just crazy. And this is going to force more and more people onto Ch onto uh Crystal Springs Road.
They're going to have to go out on the Chansy Road, which is the most dangerous road you can try to get out on. There is no turn lanes. There's no lights. There's no nothing. There's not even a roundabout. >> Okay. >> So, my main concern, plus they had taken away, we had a fire department and they
took it away two years ago. They said because there is no growth in Crystal Springs. They says there is no growth going your way. So, you do not rank a fire department. So, they moved it. >> But look, it is now. Now, Crystal Springs, the whole road's going crazy. >> And yes, the locals are going to get
flooded out. [clears throat] So, that is my main concern is the traffic and the dangerous situation like this young man got hit today on a bicycle. >> Okay. Yeah. We're going to have the applicant back up and they'll see if they can answer some of those questions.
I think we all want to know the answers to those. So, anybody else? If not, would the applicant like to come back up and address some of those concerns? >> Thank you. Again, Shelley Johnson, 6400 Madison Street, and I have been sworn um
to address there was a storm water question. This particular property has been considered part of um the and we have an agreement that we're working on. It's not going to get recorded until after we're through this process, but we're going to have a shared storm water palm with MI in the Cobblestone MPD.
It's their pond 4. Um, and there's already been calculations and everything to consider this particular development as proposed. >> Can we put some pictures up so somebody can see something >> to address it? >> So they can know what we're talking about. >> I think it's just the storm water
question and that the storm water is actually going to cobblestone um with >> Yeah, but we need to show people that on the map. >> Sure. >> You'll see it. It's a pond that's on the south side on the aerial. I think they've already it's already under construction. >> [snorts]
>> Somebody going to bring up the map. >> There you go. >> If you see there's a storm water pond. have a pointer. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You guys want me to Is it working? >> It's working.
>> I don't know if everybody can see it, but >> So, if you see this, there's a access road. You can see it on the north side of this aerial. It's called Stonywood uh road that is going to be built by MI. That's going to be a shared access road for this property and um the the
development part of the cobblestone development to the south. Oh, thank you. What were you hitting? >> Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. Um there you go. This is the pond. It's called pond 4. Um and so that's going to be a shared
storm water pond um with this particular property that we're dealing with to the north. Um again, it was part of the cobblestone and the rocks mud. It was all kind of playing together long term. So, >> so that big round area there, it's a wetland area, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. And so what you're doing is you're
adding extra space for water to drain into. >> Yes. The design of that storm water pond. >> I think those are the things we need to explain to people because >> right now they got the impression that you're just going to come in there and build on that thing and water's going to go everywhere. So I think they need to
understand what you're going to do there. >> Yeah, definitely. No, that's definitely not what's going to occur. is going to obviously comply with all of the codes and uh swift mud permitting and everything, but that has been kind of the long-term plan is that that's going to be the storm water pond for this northern parcel, which was known as
parcel A before um it was out of the cobblestone MPD. As far as roads, I think roads was the second question that we had gotten. Um and that really there's a lot of road improvements and pedestrian improvements that are going to be going on around this property. Um I don't know if can you move this down a
little bit or maybe another area I could show it a little better. >> If you can pull it down a little bit >> just a little. There you go. So if you look at um the road. So this is Crystal Springs Boulevard. >> So this development is going to be a improving that road from its southern
boundary all the way to Chansy Road. Um 80 foot typical um improvement width improvement. It's going to actually match [clears throat] what Cobblestone is doing to the south of this property. So, how many lanes is that going to be? >> Um, I think it's two lanes. I don't know if it includes a multi-use path or and a
sidewalk. So, it should include a multi-use path and a 5-ft sidewalk as well. Um, on Chansy Road, what you what they're going to build because FDOT is fourlaning this road at some point. There's likewise um both pedestrian, you
know, multi-use and and pedestrian um improvements. So they're they're suggesting doing a multi-use on the west side, a sidewalk on the east side. So this improvement here will then that we're doing on Chansy will then tie into that corner there and those pedestrian improvements. So
>> would you explain to everybody what a multi-use path is? >> So a multi-use path is is wider than a sidewalk. Um and it'll allow bikers, you know, other uses along along the way. Um so you're going to have a lot of really nice pedestrian improvements around this
property. Um you're going to have some nice road improvements around this property. Um you'll have that new road going in on on the south side. Um you have nice buffering. Um but uh so you know it should be a very nice development and there's going to be a lot of nice things coming along with it. So for that area
>> so you have a multi-use path on the one side and sidewalk in the other side. >> Yeah. So you're going to have a multi-use path and a sidewalk on Crystal Springs Boulevard. You'll have a sidewalk on Chanse, at least for the property boundaries that we're
addressing, um, out to G Boulevard and 301. And then FDOT has a planned improvement to fourlane 301. They're going to do a multi-use path on the west side and they're going to do a sidewalk on the east side. So, it'll actually be surrounded by sidewalks and multi-use
path. So, >> and when is that going to happen? Do you know? >> Um, I don't know. I don't know that it's been funded um or it's scheduled. I just know that it's it's planned that at some point they're going to forlane that road. Um we're going to have access out to Crystal Springs Road and then
obviously down to the southern road to Stonywood Road that uh MI is building. So and then eventually G Boulevard when >> So is there anybody here from transportation that can speak to the improvements? >> William, good afternoon. William
Vermillion Planning and Development. FDOT is done with the design, but they do not yet have construction funding for 301. >> For 301. >> Yes, sir. >> That's the red road. >> Yes, sir. And a part of the that construction funding is also getting
right away. So, what this project is doing is getting the amount right amount of rideway from Center Line to match what Cobblestone dedicated to the south. >> And who's who's responsible for for for Crystal Springs Road? Crystal Springs Road is the project before you today. They'll be matching the typical section
that was built further south with a 12-oot path on the west side and a 5-ft sidewalk on the east side as well as the responsibility of constructing a 10-ft multi-use path on the south side of Chanse Road. >> So, William, I don't think you're telling the complete story though. Where
is that road on the NOS's priority list? the the exact number on the NPO's LRTP. I believe it's at the at the top of the of the LRTP. It's just a it's a funding issue with FDOT that they're
working through right now. >> So, you estimate when would you estimate? >> I I could I couldn't give you an estimate unfort >> usually when a road is is at the top of the NPO's priority list.
>> [clears throat] >> Okay. Anything else? Will you want to add? >> Uh I guess just just for some further color. Um as a part of the timing and phasing application, we have the applicant provide their percentage of project trips on the road. And so this project, you're looking anywhere between
1 and 3% of the overall capacity of the area. So they're they're not responsible for any any existing failures or mitigation that would be required for improvements to 301. Okay. [clears throat] Anybody on the board here like to speak
to the water issue or anybody from the county? >> I checked. There are more flood planes >> with mud's map. However, they're not. Okay. All right. Does the applicant have anything else to add?
Okay. And everybody spoken on this one. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. So, what's the pleasure of the board? >> Recommend approval. >> So, we have a motion to recommend
approval of PC8 and PC9. >> Do I have a second? >> You take them up individually. >> Okay. Take them individually. We have a motion on PC8, right, John? And do we have a second? >> Second.
>> Any further discussion of that motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed like sign. >> Okay. And do we have anything on PC9? >> PC9. >> Do we have a second on that one?
>> I'll second again. >> Okay. Any further discussion on PC9? All in favor signify by saying I. I >> opposed like sign. >> All right, motion carries on eight and nine. And I hope everybody has a little more
information than before. The next item on the agenda is item PC11. Um, actually before we get to item PC1, I did want to make a note that item PC10, there were walk-ons that were submitted to the clerk's office earlier this week.
>> Um, item PC11 had a it's >> being PC1. approved as consent. >> PC10 was approved on consent earlier in the meeting. >> Yeah. >> Item PC11. This item was pulled. It's PTE 262115.
It's a variance request in the name of Donald and Angelique Barlo Kursley for a request to reduce the rear yard setback from 50 feet to 17 feet in an AC agricultural district as required by LDC section 503.8. 8.C located in North
Pasco County on Trilby Road approximately.3 miles north of the intersection of Trilby Road and Blandon Road containing approximately 10.6 acres to be presented by staff. >> Okay. [clears throat] Good afternoon. and Amy Tol with
planning development and economic growth. Item before you today is PTE26-2115 in the name of Trilby Road variance. The variance is a request to reduce the
rear yard setback in an AC agricultural district from 50 feet to 17 feet. So the petition number is VA-2115. It is a zoning variance. The current zoning district, as previously [clears throat] noted, is AC
agricultural. Future land use is AG agricultural. The purpose is to reduce the required rear yard setback in the AC agricultural district from 50 ft to 17 ft. And the location is at 320005 Troy
Road, which is approximately.3 miles uh north of Blandon Road. Here's a visual of the subject site. It is within the North Market area and northeast Pasco rural area or rural area 1.
Here's a context map showing the subject site in proximity to Blandon Road. Your close-up aerial view. The subject sites future land use of AG, the zoning of AC agricultural
Here's the property survey map that shows the barn and the single family which is has been converted into a single family dwelling. I'll go into the findings of fact of that. So the subject site just project overview consists of agricultural
pursuits a barn that was converted into a single family dwelling another barn and an additional structure. The subject site is unplatted on 10.16 acres. So in 2001 there was an unfinished detached
barn that was built because the subject site is zoned agricultural. So it was for agricultural activities. The barn was considered an accessory structure to the primary use of agriculture um which is permitted as a principal
use. In November of 2016, the previous property owner built the barn um in addition to a two stall garage addition. Eventually, they were converted into the single family dwelling that's in request today. On March 31st, 2023, the
applicant actually purchased the property um after these uh changes were made and they purchased the property under the presumption that it was a residence. So, on October 30th in 2025, the applicant received a citation
warning for the unpermitted structure which resulted in this variance request. And with that, we actually uh recommend approval of the proposed variance with conditions that's set forth in the recommended conditions section below. >> Okay.
>> Sure. Which slide would you like? that that one that's >> okay >> garage edition >> uh I don't know the answer to that But I could probably find that out fairly quickly. >> Sure. >> Okay. Anything else? Thank you, Amy.
Think you can find that out today? Okay. All right. [clears throat] The applicant present. Okay. You want to come forward or is there anybody here to object? >> Mr. Chair, I did have one individual
signed up to speak on this. Miss Linda Ward. >> Miss Linda Ward. >> Pardon me. >> I'm sorry you can't speak from the floor. >> You just need to come to the mic. We
can't get it on tape. And if you don't, sorry to make you come all the way up, but >> we need your name and address. Linda Ward 31915 Trillig Road
>> and I have been on that property since 93 when I purchased it from Dr. Bey. Um and just after I would say 96 maybe 97 the people that owned it then were the
Williamses. Um, Evelyn, I forget his name, but they actually lived >> in the barn that was there. They may have added on to it since, >> right? >> But they lived in that dwelling itself. >> Mhm.
>> And had a contractor come in and put a little kitchen, little bathroom, so on so forth. >> But that's the only thing I can add other than why they'd be made an issue now. I I just didn't understand that.
>> Okay. >> I don't think so. >> No, I think >> they should be able to stay. They're wonderful people. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. [clears throat] You can take over the pie later. [laughter]
>> Is would the applicant have anything to comment? Okay. Any questions from up here? If not, do I hear a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Have a motion and a second. Further discussion. All in favor signify by saying I.
>> I. I. >> Post like sign. >> Motion carries. Enjoy your residence. >> I pie. Yeah. >> Item P12. It's the first item on the regular agenda. It's PTE 267863.
A zoning amendment in the name of Jorge and Rosa Aliveres. Jorge Aliveres for a change in zoning from AR agricultural residential district with conditions to AR Agricultural Residential District located in east central Pasco County on the southwest side of US Highway 98 and
approximately 300 ft north of Townson Road containing approximately 3.32 acres to be presented by staff. Okay. Hello again to planning and development economic growth. >> So the item before you is actually
interesting. So it does have a a story that goes with it. So I'll I'll try to present it in the best way possible. Uh item before you is PTE26-7863. It is a zoning amendment request from AR Agricultural Residential with conditions
to AR agricultural residential. The proposal is a resoning amendment. Uh the current future or current zoning is AR agriculture residential district with conditions. It was conditioned back in 2006. Uh the change is to remove those
conditions to allow for a further splitting of their subject site. The future land use is res 3 residential three dwelling units per gross acre. and a they are seeking this change to subdivide the parcel into three lots with a dwelling unit on each lot in
conformance with the AR agricultural residential district standards for development. It is located on the southwest side of US Highway 98 approximately 300 ft of Townson Road. Here's a location map showing the general proximity in the East Market
area. Here's an aerial view of the subject site. Uh so the subject site is part of the resoning that occurred and actually falls along this entire
triangle area. So the conditions of the resoning apply on this whole area, not just the subject site itself. Here's a context map showing the area and proximity to the city limits. The future land use is res 3 residential
three dwelling units per gross acre and the zoning is AR agricultural residential. Uh this boundary survey is to show that the subject site of the resoning um I'll go into the conditions for this. What
ended up occurring in 2006 is that they were deed restrict restricted to a certain number of units on this entire triangular piece. They were permitted 14 acres, excuse me. 14 acres on the west side. Give me give it back. 14 acres on
the west side. This can get six units. 10 acres on the east side can achieve four units for a total of 10 units in this area. So the subject site actually I'll just go through the I think it's better for
me just to explain it to you. So the subject site is one of four current parcels. So as you can see here it's one of four parcels. This area
is currently restricted to four units. Two of these four parcels have a are constructed with one residential unit. Therefore, there are two units left available for this area per the conditions in the deed restriction. The
challenge that staff PTE has with this and so I'll go through some of the conditions and then we'll can go into a deeper conversation. These are just some of the findings of facts to show that it's currently having a mobile home on the three acres. um that three acres is
what they want to split into three one acre lots. Um what will end up happening, they want to remove the cap so they can construct their homes. Um what will end up happening, staff is proceeding with the recommendation of denial, which is why I'm going a little
bit out of order. Staff's recommendation of denial on this is not necessarily because we don't disagree with what they want to do. Unfortunately, as a result of these deed restrictions that occurred or conditions that occurred on the
resoning of the total 24 acres, if we were to remove the conditions for this one subject site, those limitations, the density limitations would still apply. So inadvertently if we were enabling them to remove these restrictions and
split their lot into three lots to get two more units that would take away the units from the other people who are still currently under this limit limited restriction. Unfortunately during the review process we attempted to contact the property owners in this entire area.
Applicant also attempted to contact the property owners in this entire area. They are under an LLC that is no longer active. So unfortunately we are not unable to get in touch with them to try to bring them into this potential resoning. So because of those facts and the potential inadvertent
issue that would be resulting of this proposed resoning staff is recommending denial of the propose. Do you have any questions for me? >> Um what do you have a solution for us?
[laughter] Uh it's it is it is up to the the planning commission board's discretion as to how we would proceed with this. >> Res three, >> correct? Yeah. >> So [clears throat] basically they're
asking for one additional unit. >> Um originally they were asking for to split the lot into two or three lots. So it's currently one lot. they would have to do a subdivision plan to get three lots total. We have um worked with them
currently. They have brought that down to keeping the existing home that is there um adding coming in for an ADU so the mother can have her residence and give her son the mobile home and then
split it so she can give the other half to her other son who wants to construct a home. Okay. So, [clears throat] okay. >> Is the applicant present, by the way?
>> Okay. >> There's both. >> Oh, there is both. >> There's both. >> Okay. >> Yeah. The zoning was from 2006 and back then they were conditioning [clears throat] those zonings. >> But there is a deed restrict. >> There's also a deed restriction.
>> The county if if this were the county. >> So you talking about the zoning condition or the >> either one? Yes. Both of them would have to be But we can only get rid of both of them.
They're both binding at this point. >> But we can only speak to the deed, I mean to the zoning. But to answer the chairman's question, the only solution I can think of that doesn't negatively impact the other property owners that are subject to that
restriction would be if that if that property owner is not going to come in and also reszone county initiated reszoning of the of all of the the lot. >> Yeah. And unfortunately, we just don't
have the authority due to do that at this time since we can't get in touch with the surrounding property owners. >> County initiated you would as a county initiated resoning >> based on direction.
>> Okay. And who who >> that's not what's before you today is >> correct. >> You don't have a county initiative present before you today. >> So if if I don't see any reason not to try to help if we can. So, um I don't know how
the board feels, but if there's a way to do it, maybe we ought to specify how how that could be done and then we can vote one way or the other. >> Yeah. Could you walk through that? It's kind of confusing. Could you walk through that once more just so we're
crystal clear on it? >> Sure. So in 2006 there was a resoning that conditioned this entire triangle area. >> Um at that point in time it was split into the two lots that you see here. >> And in that um resoning the western side
was granted was limited to six lots on 14 acres and the eastern side was limited to um four lots on the 14 acres in the conditions. Let's just be fair. the math isn't mathing because they're saying there's a total of 14 units. So
that the six plus 4 is 10 units, but that's just we'll just say it's a scrier's error on that side. Um so basically we'll go to this one. So that was 2006 delineation and in
2018 this was split off. This is a parent parcel. It still remained the same. And then in 2021, I believe um these two were created. And out of those four lots, there are two
constructed homes and two vacant lots. So there are essentially two units, two two homes still available to utilize in this space. Um, if we were to allow them to do that currently, it would almost
treat it as like a first come first- serve basis and inadvertently restrict the other two vacant parcels if we keep it as is. >> But there is a unit on the on the >> on their on the subject as currently. Yes. >> So they can be grandfathered.
I understand problem if it's a deed restriction restriction, >> but it's it's a zoning condition and this applicant is not seeking to lift the zoning condition their neighbors property.
>> Yeah. >> If they were, we wouldn't be in this situation. >> So, what's a what do you recommend as a solution? I think that's why Amy said if they had come in with their neighbors together as a team
>> to lift this restriction >> we wouldn't be here. >> Yeah. So the fear is penalizing the dealer. >> Otherwise like David had mentioned >> this is the applicant. So let me see what she questions she might have. Don't go far Amy. >> My name is Rosa Alivera. My husband
Olivera. Um, so in that corner lot where she said that there was a parent lot, they um sold the home. They abandoned it. Um, they sold it to someone that apparently was wanting to do like commercial.
Um, so that house is empty, stripped. There's nobody living there. Um, >> is that the mobile home? >> Um, no. It's a a block home. >> Yeah, it's on that on that pink triangle. >> Yeah, on the other triangle on the other
on the other triangle. >> So, there is no one to be found. Even the letters that I sent out to let them know that there was going to be a public hearing, they all have returned back to me.
return to sender. I have all four letters that were addressed that was um provided by >> um >> Amy County. >> So, no one to be found. Um, the last that I heard, my husband had spoken to
the person that bought I guess the 14 acres >> where the county would take the action >> and uh apparently he [snorts] is a Canadian that purchased that in in um >> what he wanted to do was basically make
like commercial and or um residential and and make money. Well, it seems like one possible solution is for the if we can u if somebody want to make a motion that we do a county initiated resoning for the
entire property so that everybody would be treated fairly. Um it would be either the four lots that are limited to the Well, yeah, I guess it's up to you, David. Correct me if I'm wrong. It could either be the four lots
that are limited to the four units or the entire thing that's limited to the 10 units, >> the big piece and the other four. >> It's really that's really a planning question because I planning commission doesn't feel there's
any basis for the original restriction at all then makes sense to just lift it on the entire thing. I mean At a minimum, you would need to lift it on the four lots because that's what's causing the problem. But if you don't
feel like it makes sense on the other side either, you could just have the entire friction lifted. >> Yeah. Well, I think it would be it would make sense at a minimum to
to make a motion to do a county initiated reszoning on at least the four lots. >> I mean, I will say that again a planning issue, not a legal issue, but the character of this particular
location probably has changed slightly because of surrounding area. I mean, it looks like there's been some pretty substantial road improvements in this area. >> It's already has the roundabout in front >> since since it was originally back when
this restriction was imposed. So, I'm not sure that the density limitation, it was originally imposed necessarily still makes sense. >> Mhm. >> That's again, that's a planning issue, not a we'll have to decide. But
>> they may make some sense if you're going to lift the restrictions and just lift it on the entire thing. >> I don't know if you're me. It doesn't make sense if you're going to lift it on the four lots to keep it on the other six, but >> yeah, I agree.
>> Kind of similarly situated. They're at the same intersection. >> Okay. And if you look right next door, there's some project that looks like it has quite a pretty high density. I don't know what that is.
>> And disappeared again. Now there >> Amy, what is that project to the west? That's >> all right. Well, Park. >> This is a recommendation of >> heard if there's opposition. I guess opposition would be you wanted
>> we're just talking about what right now we're just talking about solutions but um >> I believe that staff is recommending denial because of primarily because of the impact on the vacant land owners
>> right impact >> may I speak >> yes you should be hearing if there's anybody else in here >> yes Sorry. Um, I brought something that, you know, to read over because get nervous. >> You want to make sure you use it. >> Uh, so good afternoon
to um I didn't know if I was going to be in front of a judge. So, your honor, commissioners, chairman, leaders, because I don't, this is obviously my first time. Uh, we have been residents of Pasco County, Date City since 1980s.
Um, our petition is to remove all restrictions and allow us Jorge and Rose Aliveras to uh divide the property into three parcels. Our American dream is to be able to pass on inheritance to our two sons, Fabian and Caleb Aliveras, and
the generations to come. By allowing for three parcels, we'll allow them to build homes adjacent to our home. Each parcel will have at least a minimum of one acre. We have lived previously in a neighborhood of at in Wesley Chapel,
4312 Huddlestone Drive, where there was HOA restrictions and had to sell our what we thought was our forever home because of restrictions. Unable to park on our driveway, company, truck, etc. because it was restricted by the HOA. We
purchased land in Date City in hopes of getting away from restrictions on our property. We have endured two and a half since March, two years of this uh to resone this parcel and have the capability to divide it into three
portions and have spent thousands and when I say thousands, I'm not kidding. It's been about 50 to 40 to 50k in this process. Uh we are not asking to build apartments, complexes, neighborhoods or trailer parks that make profit. Uh we
just want to live our American dream and pass generational wealth to our sons. This vision was started by my father, Jorge Reyes, may he rest in peace, who just passed in March. Um, my siblings, Jorge Reyes, Diana
Wickfall, and my mother, uh, Ida Reyes, live down the road on 98. Uh, my mom's address is, uh, 10217 [clears throat] US Highway 98, Date City. It's my parents in the middle, my brother, and
my sister on each side. So it will be his in in his honor for this to know that his little girl has been able to fulfill this dream to have all his family nearby. >> Okay, >> that's all I have to say.
>> That's great. Thank you very much. Was there anybody else here to speak on this? >> Can you come back, ma'am? >> He does that to everybody. question. >> Have you spoken with the Department of Transportation?
>> DOT has been involved in in this. >> Okay. >> Yeah, they're already approved and everything. We had to go like when I said we had to go through a lot. We have gone through a lot for the past two years. >> If
if the county opted to resing over all of these affected properties. Talked about two different options you had. One was splitting the lot once and building it.
>> Correct. >> Selling the other lot to a sibling, >> my oldest son, Fabian. >> And then the other option is dividing the lot into three parcels. the current mobile home that we're
living in. Um, and the reason why we put a mobile home was because we obviously didn't want to tie up the rest of the property. >> Had I asked you if you've spoken? >> Yes. >> You of this? >> They're going to give us one um
driveway. >> Yes. They they're aware and they know >> there's a issue. >> Yeah. If you make this three qualifies as something called a common plan of development and you will be
subject to water. >> Yeah. >> After you're done meeting them, you won't have any property left or much property left to build your house. >> Yeah. So they >> So I liked Amy's first suggestion of simply splitting the lot and building
the ADU. I'm just letting you know, I don't know if you spoken to an engineer or somebody, but if you >> cut this into three lots, you may open up a very expensive boondoggle that you're not anticipating.
>> So, we um have an engineer. she wasn't able to come and be present. But as far as what the planning was um by DOT, there was not going to be a requirement for what you're saying. There was going to be
>> DOT is not swift mud. >> Yeah. >> Saying you do this into three lots, >> you will trigger those regulations. You will also trigger our county's subdivision regulations, >> which
we are willing to just split it in two and do like a sub au. >> Yes, that would be the simplest. So initially when we went when we purchased the land the property
we had gone to um to here to the courthouse well across >> um and and found out that we were able to split the property at that time but then it basically came to this that they
were we were told incorrectly that we were not able to split the land too. >> All right. So, yeah, I think what John saying is probably the simplest solution is the ADU that that route.
>> Yes. >> Would that be you would you find that helpful? >> Just want to make sure you understand where chairman I just want to make sure that you don't
accidentally trip yourself up. >> Okay. So, there's nobody else here to speak on this. Amy, you have anything else to add? Any comments? >> Amy, if you come back up to the podium. So, explain to me why
county did not initiate a resoning. Um just because it's basically we need the property owners to give us the authority to do those changes unless the board gives us that direction. >> What do you planning commission recommend? So what
do you need? Uh we can either convert this into a county initiated and bring in the rest of the parcels or we can leave this standalone with the direction of bringing the remaining parcels in at a
during a county initiated. >> County initiative resoning requires different types of notice. So you can just convert thisoning to a county initiative resoning. Then the question would be whether or
not we proceed with this as is um with the assumption of what the recommendation would be and or we pause it and come back next month with the staff initiated
with everything. And I'm not sure, David, you could probably help with this, if it's up to the planning commission to make that decision >> or if it's up to the board to make that decision. >> Staff has initiated resonings, plan amendments before.
>> Yeah, plan amendments are a little different. We they're not subject to that level of approval from the property owners. We're with >> Oh, so you're referring to the rule that says that you 75% of the property owners
unless the board >> um I'm not aware of that. No, I was just under the presumption that zoning matters. If you are doing a reszoning or changing any zoning, it is required to have the property owners authority to do that.
It's not true for board initiative, but let me just >> Yeah, I think this the I'm not going to speak for everybody on the board at the moment, but I think the whole idea is to try to solve this problem without creating any more expense
um for this applicant, >> of course, >> and there must be a way that we can do that. And >> initiated Well, I there is there was a there is a rule that
I thought that Amy was referring to. Oh, who can applications? Now, one thought, um, hate to say another deed restriction, but since this is resoning to agriculture, there is a required deed
restriction for the live local, perhaps we can condition it to allow them to continue moving forward with a condition in the deed restriction that says this isn't effective until the county initiates the remaining is an option.
Not sure how that gets that really gets them any gonna have to wait till >> it would just delay their time of >> and delay the time until they can do anything anyway. >> Yeah. >> How that really helps them. >> Um recommend approval on the
Right. Something along those lines >> recommend >> approval of the current proposed resoning with the condition. >> I mean, you could you could approve it, but I mean, the downside is that that person basically lost their development rights until the county initiates
something. condition. >> No, we can't. >> Right. >> That's why the deed restriction is like your little band-aid to do that. >> I'm not so worried about the property, the people we can't find. Evidently,
they're not that interested. >> Yeah. They came in for an MPD a few years ago, but it died out. I think it was called Mayfield or Mayflower. >> It would >> and we can guarantee that comes fairly swiftly after this. The county
initiated. So ask the engineers on the board, does that trigger the problem of dividing it into three if the county initiates it? Well, if the county initiated reszoning and we didn't
have restriction problems by virtue of dividing it into three lots, you would trigger our sub the county subdivision regulations >> going to be called under the
swift mud rules and do rules called a common plan of development which going to be treated like a subdivision which means you'll have one entrance, you're going to have to meet all of their access and drainage
criteria. Whereas, if they make simple lot split, so that this only becomes two lots, then they are exempt from our county subdivision regulations. They will be exempt from swift mud regulations and they will be treated as
single family residences for purposes of driveways by the DOT. They also have the option for an MRS in this scenario. >> Sorry. >> They also have the option for a minor rule subdivision. >> This was res 3.
>> Oh yes, thank you. It is res 3. However, in 2024, uh the development review, Brad, at that point in time authorized them to do a variance, >> a variance against the code so they can do a minor role subdivision in a res
three. authorized that >> Brad Tippen. He's no longer with us. >> So I would say that that would be a fresh determination for today. >> Okay. So I found the code provision I was referring to
a what it says is that Uklitian zoning amendments can be initiated initiated by the board of county commissioners petition of owners of 75% or more of the area involved or the property owner. So
staff would either have to get they obviously can't get the property owner. They either have to get 75% or more of the area involved. So they could either get I don't know if they could they were able to get the other
>> three lots >> mobile home >> the other group of lots potentially affected. >> Yeah. Do we have how is area being defined? Is there a certain >> say 75% of the area involved? >> Okay. So >> I don't know if if you include the other
how many lots of is it six lots or the other six? >> Um it's restricted to six but it's only one lot right now. >> Are you talking about the >> Have you talked to that owner? >> They they're all owned by the same LLC and they're getting >> Oh, it's all the same owner. >> Correct. >> Okay.
>> So unfortunately we can't get in touch with them >> where the board does it. >> Then it would be the board. So the board could initiate for the whole thing. Um but the board has initiated
the board is I'm sure if the staff asked the board to do it in this circumstance the board >> and instead of a denial we could adjust our recommendation to seek the board's authority to execute it >> initiated but then would that trigger
those extra cost for the >> for the county? Well, for them >> for them >> it would just be a holding period for the most part. >> He would still come back to the PC for a recommendation. Yes, >> correct. >> So I guess in theory have to
>> take action on this. There's a there's an application before you that you have to act on. You have to either >> agree with staff's recommendation of denial, continue it or approve or go against that recommendation.
No board could still initiate because it's a different application, >> but there's no negative consequence for the applicant for us to deny this. >> No, because the the initiation would be a different application. It would be on the entire area.
>> We can adjust our recommend >> that is an option too. You could discontin If we continue the item, would we have to bring this specifically to the board for approval? >> It doesn't get past. >> I mean, one advantage of continuing it
would be that if for some reason the board fails to initiate something, >> they're still alive, >> then you have the option of moving this forward. Sounds like >> perhaps we adjust our recommendation to
seek the board's approval for a staff initiated reszoning on the specific parcels. >> Correct. It would be an incomand that it does get approved. board initiated reasoning of the other
ones. >> Perhaps the recommendation can do both. So the recommendation would be to approve this and then ask the board to authorize of companion reasonzoning.
>> Correct. Something along those lines. >> We don't want to delay them any longer than we have to. >> We don't want them to have to pay more money. So, >> was that your motion, Matt? >> Be clear. A board initiated resoning would not require them to pay more money because it would be board initiated. >> Okay.
>> But, um, but I get your point. >> Well, when I say initiate paying more money, I'm talking about John's comments about the subdivision. and so forth. So they really only divide it into two and have >> I think John's comments are sort of
unrelated to the resoning. >> Right. Correct. >> Comments more have more to do with how many lots they'd elect to >> after it's reszoned. >> After it's resonant to caution the lady. >> Okay. >> I think so.
>> I can [laughter] please restate that. >> Yeah. Can we state the motion >> and help me out if the >> help you out? [laughter] The motion is to recommend approval of the resoning to the board >> with
>> subject to >> the board initiating a zoning of the additional parcels. >> Move the remove the con the restriction. Still. >> Okay, we have a motion in a second. Any
further discussion on the motion? >> If not, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Closed like sign. Okay. Here we go. >> Take a break.
>> Yeah. Going to take about a fivem minute recess, please. >> [laughter and cough] >> So my dad's brother was coming down Pennsylvania, right? He came down
on a Mediterranean cruise. So, he was supposed to supposed to leave like six o' just flew back from all depart at 6:00 today. His flight's already delayed.
Now he's sitting in the airport. >> Why didn't he come up with that earlier? >> I was trying [laughter] I'm a civil >> civil. >> Yep. Yeah. He does a lot of his work is mostly site development work, that sort of stuff. And then I do my main focus is
water and wastewater treatment and stuff. So I work for a larger firm that does water and wastewater treatment. Nice. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Well, well, well. It's
>> not a big hill, but it's down >> here. I'm actually good. >> Now, if you got a coffee or something that >> you're offering coffee or something. >> That's right. Chris, >> you can learn a few things. >> Bloodshed waterhed.
>> I don't know if it's going to be Trump is if they don't ask for if they don't ask >> I mean something sat in all the talk >> I got applying all the name >> GIS >> I don't know it's black
>> I think my guess is over the next 5 to 10 years, we're going to learn a lot about how all that connects more on a broader network. Like we'll look at appointment >> and I think >> time >> it's going to allow us permitting >> an evaluation on a greater scale instead
of saying okay we're looking at this project and it's closed we're good >> it's going to be this it's going to give us one more bathroom break so I'm one of these Okay. >> Thank you. And here's your pen.
>> Yeah. >> I think a lot of it is Yeah, >> you look at the flood plane. You got the female flood plane. You got the swift mud flood plane. They're different. [clears throat] >> We're learning more about what they're actually
name. In charge of the maintenance of his exactly one. >> Mark. >> Oh yeah. But the rules but the rules that they have to permit the project by require
that they maintain the existing magnitude and direction of flow. They're not allowed to change the direction. No, I don't. >> She's better looking than me. >> You're always complaining about blocking
your >> I think I think it's getting better. >> I think it is. >> I used to work for a firm that did Only if it gets approved. >> Okay. Yeah. [clears throat]
[laughter] So smooth. time. So nothing like >> they'll just bring it. Who are they here? >> Here are they here? >> Who
here for two rivers interviewing people? >> No. Okay. >> Talk about the Please take your seats. Please take your seats. >> [clears throat] >> Good afternoon.
Good afternoon. Robert Robert Irving, Planning Development, Economic Growth. >> Yeah, it sounded like the microphone wasn't working. >> Hello. There we go. >> There we go. >> All right. So, the next item is a comprehensive plan amendment. It's item P13.
It's CPA 2407 CPAL, Two Rivers, providing for a comprehensive plan text amendment. The sub area policy flu 7.1.11 Two Rivers PD. And this is file number PTE 260437. Right. As I just mentioned, this is a proposed comprehensive plan text
amendment to the policy flu 7.1.112 Rivers PD to allow for an increase in residential dwelling units and non-residential entitlements on approximately 3,45 acres. And this is located on the north and
south side of State Road 56 spanning from Morris Bridge Road to Gal Boulevard. And there's the accompanying subary policy policy flu 7.11 Rivers PD. And there is a companion reszoning which will be heard after this. Here's the county location. You can see
it in the southeast corner there. The subject property is [cough] in the south market area and the urban concentration area. Here's the overall boundary showing the two rivers PD. And here's a context map. I'm going to start from west and go east. So to the
west of the Two Rivers boundary is the River Landing MPU which is which is approved for a maximum development of 1,999 single family detached or attached dwelling units, 250,000 square ft of commercial retail uses and 150,000
square feet of office. Now just running through the vision roads and collector roads you'll see first there's Morris Bridge Road a county arterial roadway and then there's two rivers boulevard collector roadway coulson avenue also a collector roadway
and then there's state road 56 and fdot arterial roadway and then to the north you'll see loggerass boulevard and coats road which are also collective roadways and [snorts] then there's G Boulevard boulevard US 301 and then just east of
the two river subjects site is the 301 East MPUD which was approved for the maximum development of 200 town home units and 36,000 square ft of commercial uses. So this slide right here shows the maximum levels of development. So I will
note that there has been non-substantial modifications that have occurred on the MPUD side which the sub area policy allows for and have changed the entitlements. So part of this is to clean up the entitlements to be consistent with the non-substantial
modifications that have occurred and also to incorporate the proposal today. So part of the proposal today is the removal of the age restricted residential dwelling units. So there's 209 currently remaining and out of those 133 would count as trip neutral towards
the overall increase in multifamily units and then there's an additional 767 multif family units proposed that are non-trip neutral. The applicant also proposed to add 300 assist assisted living facility beds,
480 hotel rooms, and 705,000 square ft of retail and a water park not to exceed 35 acres. Sorry. Go back. One thing I just want to note as well, the original sub area policy
that was approved in 2008 allowed for a maximum of 6,400 dwelling units, equating to a gross density of 1.87. The proposal today for 6,547 dwelling units equates to a gross density of 1.92.
It's a 0 05 increase proposed and the proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies. Section flu A6 PD plan development policy flu 7.1.11 Two Rivers
PD policy flu 8.1.2 South Market Area Establishment policy flu 1.8.7 economic development policy flu 1.8.10 10 preservation of capacity for employment generating uses
policy HSG 1.1.2 [clears throat] comprehensive plan amendments policy ED 1.7.2 promote tourism expansion and this comes to you with a recommendation that you find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the board of county commissioners. I'm available if you have
any questions. >> Can you go back over the density again? >> Mhm. What was that? What was that? Can you go back over the density number? >> Yeah, and I think honestly in the MPUD presentation, it'll be a little clearer because I'll have it shown,
>> but additionally, the density is going to be a little bit different because due to the last non-subs, there's actually an overall decrease of the current approval of the overall units since they exchanged a lot of the units, but it's relatively close. But the density that I
have was 1.87 87 as the existing approved today and the this is from a gross standpoint and the proposal is a 1.92. >> Okay. I think you just answered my question. >> It's just from the gross perspective. >> That's on the gross acres. So that's
including the areas allocated for retail, industrial, water parks, hotels. >> Correct. And that's because multif family. What would the density be if it were just based on the residential portion of the PD? >> Um, I can pull that up at the end.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. I think a reason why also that it was calculated on the overall is because majority of the mixeduse parcels also can accommodate for a residential component. So there is I will say yes the school the park should be removed
from the overall calculation to get you that that answer but beyond that predominantly all of the parcels allow for a residential component which will be clarified in the MPU presentation. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Any other questions? No. All right. The applicant president, >> Mr. Chairman, Clark Hobby, Hobby and Hobby, PA, uh, 109 North Brush Street, Tampa, Florida. I've been sworn. Uh, we're going to make a joint
presentation. So, I was hoping staff might make the MPUD presentation, then I can follow that. >> Okay. Thank you. So, this is the Two Rivers MPU substantial modification. This is item PTE 267856.
Here's the county location again, which I'm sure we're familiar with at this point. And the proposal again is a substantial modification to the Two Rivers MPU master plan unit development to allow for the maximum development of 4,047 single family detached units, 2500
multif family units, 1,335,000 ft of office target industry, 1,335,000 ft of industrial, 1,335,000 ft of retail, 300 beds for an assisted living facility, 480 hotel rooms, and a
35 5acre recreational water park on approximately 3,45 acres. So again, here's the location map. The key thing that's showing here is this is to date predominantly parcels that haven't been developed in the overall Two Rivers development since a lot of
this has been built. Again, this is just reflecting the existing zoning of MPUD. So here's the existing master plan. Now a couple things I want to note here is you'll see in the northeast corner the two river school site that was contemplated originally and the county
park. And the reason why I mentioned this is only portions of both of these sites was originally acquired. So there's leftover pieces that the applicant proposes to develop with mixeduse development. Another thing I want to point out is you'll see in the northeast corner as
well along the south side of state road 56 there's mixeduse parcel K which is also proposed to be expanded and you'll see that depicted in the next slide here. So here's the proposed master plan today. So again, you'll see now the remaining piece of the Two River School
site. On the southern piece is the mixeduse parcel C. And then you'll see just east of the county park parcel, you'll see mixeduse parcel M. And you'll also see on the south side of State Road 56 that
mixeduse parcel K is now expanded out. So as I go through the entitlements too as well for clarification, multif family entitlements can be the following product types. apartments, two family, triplex, quadruplex, condominiums, town homes, villas, and live work units.
And so PD and the applicant work together on this proposal. And of the proposed additional 900 multif family units, only 240 may be apartments and must be located on mixeduse parcel M or industrial office commercial parcel
C. So I think I can. So, another thing to point out too, which is big with this, if you see the blue circle up there, that's the proposed conceptual location of that 35 acre recreational water park.
Now, here's the connectivity plan as well. And on the connectivity plan, you'll see a blue and a purple outline on many of these collector roadways. So, [snorts] there is a 12-oot paved multi-use path running along State Road 56, Coloulston Avenue
to get this to work. Holston Avenue, Two Rivers Boulevard, Lodgegrass Boulevard, and Coats Road. Now, also at here, let's see if I can get this to work. There we go. So right here also there's an enhanced pedestrian safe
crossing to go from Lodgrass Boulevard across State Road 56, which will provide a safer access for people accessing the county park and the Two River School site. Um, and then in the bottom, it's kind of hard to see on this plan, but there's a
20 foot path. It's called the Tiko Trail. Kind of runs along the southern portion of the subject site. It's not to be improved. It's to be natural. And on the southernmost extent of the subject site, you'll see the continued connectivity into the Hillsboro County side of the Two Rivers development with
a 12T multi-use path as well along the rightway. So, another thing that I want to mention is for the multifamily apartments component of this proposal, PTE worked with the applicant to provide enhanced design standards to provide for better
building orientation, parking orientation, landscaping, walking, walkability, and connectivity. And as part of that, we had a updated alternative type two typical section for local roadways. So you'll see two 11oot travel lanes, an 8ft landscaped area,
and then two 10-ft paths on either side. So here's just the overall walkthrough of the current entitlements to date versus what is proposed. And here's again where you will see the density calculation at the bottom. But as I mentioned, it didn't subtract out
those areas. My colleague is working on that. The applicant is requesting the following variation from the code LDC section 805.6 restrictions on post-development wetlands and upland buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels. The applicant
requests to seek relief from the requirement to form a mandatory association or CDD to own and manage open space, drainage areas, common areas, landscape areas, wetland areas, buffers areas, or other special purpose areas when within a multif family parcel or under a single ownership for any industrial office or commercial retail
sites and PTE is amanable to the requested variation. And this comes to you with a recommendation of approval to the board of county commissioners of the proposed zoning amendment request with conditions. Robert, any questions? No. All right.
President. Yep. [clears throat] Mr. Chairman, Clark again. I'm going to have to put channel 28's mic down here because I won't be able to operate up here. Okay. Thank you for putting that up there, Patty. Uh before I get started
on our uh PowerPoint, uh just I want to give a couple of highlevel things. I think staff alluded to it, but it's important to remember the the larger context of this project. The project has been planned for many years uh in the county and the first comp plan
amendments occurred I think in 2008 and after that the county adopted a series of sweeping um comp plan changes that resulted in us creating the market areas that we know so well around the county and the urban service area and
the urban uh service expansion area. And those two uh areas included Two Rivers from the get-go. So, the county has known and planned for this project for many, many years, uh and certainly since
2010. It's a 3,400 acre project. Um it's you know it's hundreds of millions of dollars have already been spent in development on the project and it's well it's on its way as staff pointed out and I'll get to a little bit more detail.
We've been trying to address all segments of commercial development and all the infrastructure that you need for a project of this magnitude including schools including a regional park site. And um we've already uh conveyed sites
to the county. The county bought a regional park site and the school board bought a school site where they're planning on doing a K8 site there. So what you see before you is a project that the county has really thought of as
a bookend on the 5456 corridor for many years now. the county made assumptions about planning certain transit and other transportation improvements along this corridor along uh many many years, you know, over 15 years. And I'll get to
some of that as we go. And when I'm done with with my part of the presentation, I'm going to ask uh Tony Miller, who's the proposed developer of of the surf part that you've already heard about on the site to come up, explain what he's trying to do and why we think this will
be a really great regional and national draw for our area and for Two Rivers. So, Two Rivers, uh, the the the developer, Eisenhower Property Group, is very much aware that this is a land with a great history. The Thomas family owned
this property for many generations and took great care of the land itself. Um, it was, you know, a a timber operation for many years, but it's also had great [snorts] hunting, fishing, and wildlife. And and in case many of you all don't
know, it's the Thomas family that gave the property that created the Hillsboro River State Park that's such a large feature in this area. And actually my grandfather would work for the CCC's during the Great Depression, helped build the park. So that's always been a
point of pride in our family. Um, again, you saw this staff from from um you saw this map from staff and what it's showing you all the areas that are cross-hatched or have the other checking on it are areas that are either have been already platted or already have
site plan andor construction plan approvals. So, a large area of the projects already been approved. So what what happened as we were going along over the years uh and the planning of the project uh our client undertook a
comprehensive uh uh review of the project about 3 four years ago and they hired a national firm to come in and do a couple of things. One was they wanted to make sure that they were getting the quality of development that they thought was possible to have on a project of
this size. and they felt like there had been a lot of entry levelvel stuff that had been built in the area and they thought maybe we could do a little bit better. Then they also looked at the commercial that had been approved on this entire 56
uh extension which is over six miles and they determined that there was a significant amount of uh underprovided commercial in the area. And so that's why we're seeking so much more commercial and for other reasons I'll
explain in a minute. And then lastly, again, this surf park opportunity arose and the client is of the opinion that we're going to be fulfilling just about every part of what a live, work, play community could be already, but we
didn't have a big national or regional draw and we feel like the surf park's going to do that. So, I I'll get moving here. So, again, this project has over three miles of frontage on State Road 56. Uh you all will recall the state
road got uh funded initially as a two uh lane road and I worked with the three MPUD owners uh out here and Mr. Goldstein to create a searchcharge system and the county got a loan from the state infrastructure bank. But the
sir charges on two rivers pay for about 60% of the total cost of lanes three and four of state road 56 for over six miles. So again regionally significant project. In addition to those sir
charges, the project generates around, we think conservatively, $50 million in mobility fees for the county. Again, massive amount of money being uh created for the county to use on roadway projects over time. Now, when we speak
about the quality, as we retoled the project over the last couple of years, just the area south of State Road 56, our client is spending uh close to $50 million in landscaping and hardscape
improvements. And home builders in that area are spending another 13. So, it's going to be a very high-end community. Um, again, you've already seen some of this stuff from staff, but up in the top right area, there's already a major
employment area that's reserved. There are major employment areas for light industrial that are reserved in the north uh west area as well. The school sites already been acquired by the the school board and an 85 acre regional
park site's already been created. And to uh the the question that was posed earlier, I don't have the specific question that Mr. Moody was asking for, but our couchs were and it's hard to say if we lest out all of the non-residential, but before we le that
out, the net density was about 2.67 units per acre. And and the reason why I bring that up is yes, we are asking for more more units here, but if you factor in the land use exchanges that had already occurred before we filed, and
the one that we could have done on the senior housing was 209 units. We're essentially asking for just over 700 units on a project that already has, I think, about 5700 units. It's not a huge amount. And even when those units are
allowed, you're still at a an density level that's commensurate with the rest of our urban service area in the South Market area. And if you look at our rental units as a whole, we're still at about 17.8%
which is very low compared to the majority of the rest of the Bay Area. You've already seen this table several times. I'm not going to attempt to do anything with this slide other than to tell you that there have been months and
months spent with county staff uh on the uh uh negotiation of what could occur uh [clears throat] and any additional apartments with this approval. And I'll try to summarize it very quickly. We can
only have more apartments up to 240 if the surf park is built. And we build in one of only two areas that are very close to the surf park and the regional park site. And we then have to have it
be part of a mixeduse area with a very urban design where the buildings are up on the road and we're trying to create an area that's more like Hyde Park. Uh it's not intended to be more suburban form multif family. It's intended to complement the surf park area. And if
the surf park doesn't happen, that doesn't happen. And even on our town houses, a lot of negotiation with county staff on it. And the town houses can only be one of three things. They have to either be 24 feet or wider. Okay? So
that's much larger than the typical 18 or 20 uh foot wide town houses we see. and one of our premier local luxury builders uh has a contract to build a significant amount of those units and we
expect them to be priced two to three times uh higher than the average entry level townhouse would be in the county. The only other two options for town houses or are being alley loaded or if it's an internal lot that opens up onto
a village green. So, the project has about 170 page architectural design guideline package that everyone has to follow. You're looking at some of the homes by West Bay that have been built on the south side of 56. Uh I'll get into the details on
those but that basically we created with the Eisenhower team their their architectural group and uh the planners created a package of uh specific design ranch architecture that's consistent
throughout the project. Uh and again every part whether it's single family detached town houses, apartments, any classification has to follow the themed architecture through there. What you see though in reality since the
project's been retoled as a project that is very high-end in general. On the south side of 56 alone, there have already been 253 homes over $700,000 sold. West Bay's average house is well
over a million dollars and these numbers are a little bit outdated, but they had sold over 88 as of a few months ago with an average sales price of 1.066 million. The project has won several different local and uh regional awards,
projects built around trails and parks. Uh we know that that's what residents want. It's not just, you know, planners here at the county. That's what people want these days. And so there are over 10 miles of of multi-use paths and trails that run through the project. As
you heard from staff, there's about 8 miles south of State Road uh 56 that has either 10 or 12 foot trails, most of which are 12. And then we have some localized connections, boardwalks, and stuff like that. And then the really
cool uh uh uh other path that's going to go through a Tikico transmission area that has a big oak canopy along the south uh the the Pasco Hillsboro line. Again, very high-end amenity package.
You know, some of the recent discussions with other NPUs are about, you know, what kind of quality are you going to have? Are you even going to have an amenity on site? Well, yes. many amenities and many upscale amenities. I'm just going to run you through a
couple of the high-end amenities that are either have been built or are being built as we speak. Um, you know, you see resortstyle pools in several of them. I think three of the four major amenity areas have resort style pools, big
workout areas, wine bars, restaurants, private clubs. Uh we have large uh parks, neighborhood parks, dog parks. This is another one called the Nest. I believe this one just completed construction recently. You see again
another large area. Pickle ball, tennis courts, dog parks, things of this nature. Botchi ball, very highend. You can see the ranch style architecture here that carries on throughout the project. But it's a project that, you know, we're
very proud of and we're trying to make sure creates the live, work, play that the urban service area in the South Market area uh were requiring for this area. And I'm going to have uh Tony come up now if he will and and walk you
through the surf park. But I just want to say again, and I know I think you guys have heard this over many years, but I'm just going to remind you of a few things about the South Market area that the intent that the comp plan says we're supposed to follow for this area.
And it says that the area shall be characterized by dense vertical non-residential development and sophisticated residential development with quality design, intensity, and density necessary to support transit opportunities. and that the mission for
the South Market area is the creation of high density, compact and mixeduse location with maximized transportation opportunities that attract a broad spectrum of employers and businesses. This area promotes higher density, compact development and encourages
mixeduse communities that live. I think that's what we're delivering on here. That's been our mission all along and we're just following up on that now. With that, I'll turn this over to Tony Miller and he can make a presentation about the surf park and then I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have.
>> Thank you. [clears throat] >> Tony Miller, 3614 West Morrison Avenue in Tampa. Uh I am the developer of Peak Surf Park here. I'm going to take you through a few slides here just to give everybody uh two things. One is a much better perspective of what this surf
park really means. I think there's probably some confusion about what is a water park. this is uh will hopefully answer some of those questions and two um show what value this is bringing to the county because I think it's there's significant value there. So um the vision for the Surf Park is uh to
redefine lifestyle and leisure in the Tampa Bay market. Uh there are four key components I think that we're really delivering inside of this park. One is it's going to be a great surf park. Uh I know a lot of people think that there's a lot of surfing opportunities in Florida. There are not, especially on
the West Coast. We do not have any waves and so um there will be surfing here uh in Pasco County. The second is it is a lot more than surf there. This will be the best beach club in Tampa or in uh yeah in Tampa Bay in Florida. This is uh
people love to go to the beach. This will be a really great opportunity to have a great beach right here in Pasco County. It's going to be a hub for recreation entertainment. There'll be a lot more than just the surfing in the beach. There's going to be restaurants. There's going to be a festival field. There's going to be uh all kinds of things that I'll show you in just a
second. And the final thing and probably one of the most important for me is this will be a third place for local residents. You have your home, you've got your work. Where is that place that you gather, you congregate, you socialize, you find community. This is going to be that place for many, many
people here locally. Um I said that uh it's more than just surf. We we say surfing is the magnet. Lifestyle is the multiplier. Uh, as you can see here, there's going to be the beach and the boardwalk and a lot of the things associated with that. Uh, there's going to be a great dining scene here. Uh, one of the examples that I provided for
people is that in my mind, this is in no way is this going to be what you would see at a typical attraction. The food scene will be much much better than that. We want to have uh small food outlets and each one of them would represent one of the iconic surf destinations in the world. So, you might
have one that's Brazilian, you have one that's Australian, maybe you're going to have California food. So, um it'll be a very unique and eclectic uh food scene. We're going to have a sports village that's going to include uh skateboarding, climbing walls, uh all kinds of things. It'll be fantastic for
the kids. Um and then we're also going to have events and retail um where there's going to be it's going to be a true retail village. So, it won't again be anything kitschy uh that you might see at a lot of the uh themed attraction parks. This is an example. Uh this
should be a pretty good representation. I've been continuing to push and pull on our site plan. So, there will be things that will move around in this, but it gives you a good sense of the surf lagoon, the beach, and a lot of the amenities um that are on there. So, for example, down here is where we have that
action sports park uh with a lazy river. Um up here is like a retail village. Uh there's going to be uh food and beverage. Uh this is going to be a hotel along with a big festival field where we can do all kinds of events, movies, concerts, all kinds of things like that.
Um moving on, I think one of the important things here is the vibe of this park is authenticity is critical. Um we do not want this to feel like a typical theme park. We want this to feel like an authentic surf village that you walk into. and everything that we do around
the design and the guest experience will be represented here. So I think it's important to note that I am not a traditional developer. I am here to infuse this development with my personal mission statement. My personal
mission statement for my life is to live big, laugh a lot, and elevate others. That's what I'm striving to do for me. And I see all of those elements fitting into this surf park. I'm not building the surf park and then turning around and selling it. This is my baby. I'm going to build it and I want to operate
it and I'm bu doing it with a long-term view in mind. So, I want this to be an awesome experience for everybody who is involved. So, kind of transitioning to driving value for Pasco County. I'm just going to summarize this in three main areas.
One, I think this is going to be an incredible asset for locals. This is going to be something as um Clark just mentioned, this is the play in that live, work, play where people in all of this surrounding Two Rivers development and beyond can have a place that they can come to. They can go to the beach.
They can enjoy great food. They can listen to live music. There will be something for everybody. This is not just for surfers. Second, this is creating a lot of economic benefit. There is over 500 jobs, new jobs that will be creating 700 if you include the
hotel jobs. 1.3 billion of economic impact over the first 10 years and a lot of additional tax revenue that will be going into the county here. So, we're driving economic benefit. The EDC uh has provided a letter of support. Uh so, uh Bill Cronin has provided that. We've
also and the final thing is we are creating a regional national destination. This will be an incredible park that will be known throughout the country and we will draw people here that want to come and experience that.
Um, and it will be something that is we will draw people from Hillsboro. We're going to draw people throughout the state. So, it'll be a an incredible tourism destination. And again, we've gotten a letter um from Adam over at uh Florida Sports Coast because it really fulfills that brand positioning and all
the work that they're looking to do uh with the tourism board there. Um so that's it. I would say a perfect day is not a a dream. It would be a destination and that destination is here in Pasco County. >> Happy to answer any questions.
>> Thank you. Are there some questions? >> Okay, we'll see what questions develop. >> One last thing I was going to say, Mr. chairman. Uh well, two, one, we have our full team here, engineers, planners, and and if you all take uh public comment
and you have questions, we'll be happy to answer your questions in. But also, I I have a feeling some of the folks here uh may be interested in the environmental side of the project. And I just did want to point out one thing in my presentation and chief the county has
pretty sophisticated uh environmental lands policies and goals that they follow through on every MPU and especially where a category one wetland system that's significant like Indian Creek is that runs through this project. And I just want everybody on the
planning commission and who's present to understand the county already had requirements of the master developer that I believe have already been complied with that required the creation of a very large regionally significant conservation
uh area that protects Indian Creek which is one of the headwaters of of the Hillsboro River. And so I just want them to know that there were conservation easements that were required to be put in place as each of the phases came
along. And so they're either in plats or in separate conservation easements, but those do exist. Other than that, I'll answer questions after our neighbors speak. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. All right. Who do we have on the list? >> The first individual I have signed up to
speak is a Miss Danielle Kimrell. And then after that I have a Miss Laura Daffer. >> All right. So as you come up if you can give us your name and address and have you been sworn? >> I have. Danielle Kimbell, 1215 West Risk
Street, Plant City. >> Thank you. >> The third space already exists. It's called nature and we're losing it constantly. This is a a constant sign that is at the
Hillsboro Community College. This is one of many headwaters that contributes to the Tampa Bay wershed. The water in this seasonal wetlands flows through, beneath, and into the following locations. At the top of this list, Two Rivers Ranch.
This is 49 mile journey passes through a number of natural communities, including freshwater swamps and creeks. These swamps and creeks flow into the forested river system that slowly meanders its way through Temple Terrace, then through
urban Tampa before entering the Hillsboro Bay, Tampa Bay, and finally Gulf of Mexico. The importance of keeping even small water bodies such as this in a prime, pristine, functional, and vital condition as possible cannot
be emphasized enough. The activities that negatively affect headwaters have damaged damaging impacts many miles downstream in their journey to the ocean.
Now imagine how many places have already been covered especially t uh temple terrace. This is development is not an island. The water will continue to flow. Any more development in this area is beyond irresponsible.
Billions of taxpayers money has gone into repairing the Everglades. We still haven't learned. This book was written in 1947. The Hillsboro County was given millions of dollars by uh by the US government
for sediment study that started at Baker Creek just south of this development. And again, the water is going to continue to flow. And it impacts more than just this
development. This land goes back way further than what was mentioned from the people that owned money or have money and have owned this property. This land has been sacred. And I want to know who's
protecting that. who is overseeing the millions that have already been spent at this property, digging it up and not showing what they find because it there's there's evidence there of
past civilizations and it's again beyond irresponsible to develop this area. Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] No applause, please. No applause. Okay, >> next we have a Miss Laura Daffer and
then after that we have a Mr. Wayne Schuler. >> Okay. Again, give your name and address please. >> Hello, my name is Laura Daffer and my mailing address is 38935 West County Line Road, Zephr Hills. But
the reality is I live in Crystal Springs, 5 to 10 miles away from where all this proposed development is going to take place unless you stop it. What will it take for you to understand?
Pasco County does not need any more development. When I was growing up, I was taught that Florida meant land of flowers. Please stop it from becoming the land of ugly houses.
Right up there where it says open spaces, vibrant places, that's not going to be Pasco County anymore. According to the county website, the population of Pasco County is
659,114. How many of these people have you asked what they want, what they need? We don't need any more houses, apartments, town houses, warehouses, stores, car washes, etc.
We do need better roads, less traffic, and we need to protect our water. Where is the water going to come from for the proposed 35 acre recreational
water park? I am so thankful that I grew up going to a Godmade water park called Crystal Springs before the water got sold off and
bottled up. In closing, I want to quote a line from an old movie, Field of Dreams. If you build it, he will come. I'm begging you, stop building it, and
maybe then they won't come. Focus on the needs of the people who already live here. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Up next is Mr. Wayne Scheler. After that is Miss Michaela Krauss.
>> And Mr. Scheler, I know you've already been sworn, but we still need you to repat Zephr Hills. I've been sworn. >> Thank you. >> Uh just another quick comment. We expect the planning commission, the the county commissioners, the permitting officials
to wait the interest of all the residents, not not only for profit for builders, but be responsible for water resources, stop unchecked growth and and degrading of neighborhoods and increased
increased flooding and and uh traffic congestion. We're just looking for basic things. We we don't want uh to stop all building and everything, but we're we're at a breaking point, especially in that area with traffic and water. We we don't
need anymore. We don't need any more people building. We don't need more people driving in that area. I mean, I go to Plant City or Tampa every week and I hate sitting in traffic. It's like it's like Tampa's come to Zephr Hills. I
you know, uh I just think no for now. until everything settles down. Stop stop the building, get the roads, infrastructure, and everything built before you start letting pe thousands of people drive in the end. [cough]
Please, no more. Uh I'm I've been here a long time and I know what it's like. I remember when it was all flat lands all the way out 54. You've built so much and once they build, they don't care about the people
around them. It's just keep building, keep building and and you're hurting hurting a lot of residents. So, please no more. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Up next is Miss Michaela Krauss. After
that is Mr. Carl Bailey. Michaela Krauss, 35920, Praise Place, Unit 102, Zephr Hills, Florida, 33541. I have sworn. Good afternoon again, commissioners. Um, I am a resident here today to strongly urge you to deny the
reasonzoning amendments before you, Two Rivers. What is being proposed is not a minor adjustment. It is a transformation of our community on a massive scale. At Two Rivers Alone, this was a project originally presented as having the same
residential footprint comparable to Lake Bernardet and is now seeking approval for, you know, 6,547 new homes, 480 hotel rooms, 4 million square feet of industrial and commercial
space, a 35 acre surf water park. What concerns me the most is our apparent willingness to treat our natural resources as expendable. Two rivers was old growth forest that was cut, burned,
and then the other month logged. Okay. Um, pretty intense to see that when the entire county is becoming concrete, you know, that that could have been an equestrian park or a trail that we actually want. We want that. We don't
want this. Um, this responsibility, it falls on you guys and we're really, we're really trusting you. Um, please, please have our public interest in mind and please don't just simply approve every proposal that crosses your desk
because this has gone on way too far and the public is just now really being aware of it. Um, there are already 50 hotels throughout Wesley Chapel and Zephr Hills, existing recreational facility, splash pads, and water
attractions at Zephr Park and Hercules Park. Um yet we are being asked to accept hundreds more hotel rooms and a massive water park surf park while our roads, schools, emergency services and most importantly our natural systems
struggle to keep pace with growth already approved. At some point we must decide whether we are building a community or just simply consuming one. Future generations will never know the Pasco County that existed before these decisions. If we continue approving
projects of this magnitude once the forests are cleared, once the habitats are destroyed, once the character of these waterways is lost, there is no vote that can bring them back. You have the power to protect something irreplaceable. stand with the rivers,
stand with the wildlife, stand with future generations, and please deny these reasoning amendments. Um, and I do want to bring up Indian Creek, New River, and Hillsboro River for they cannot hire lobbyists. Um, the wetlands
cannot stand at this podium. The birds, the fish, the native species that depend on these ecosystems, they don't have attorneys on their behalf speaking. You know, that's why we're here. And I just also want to point out that when they brought in that field dirt for Two
Rivers and then Milton came, the Zephr Hills flooded, people lost their homes and their lives. There's no number that you can calculate. I don't know what scientists or conservationist you can bring in to tell me about that logic.
Okay. Um, also my water that I drink, it tastes and smells like toilet water. And I have the filter on my sink. Just, you know, I go outside and you put all these homes in, I smell raw sewage in the air.
>> Okay? Please, please, we're begging you. The residents want nature. We want our trails. We want to smell fresh air and breathe water. This is just basic needs. Please listen to us. Any questions while I have two minutes?
because I'm outside a lot. I can answer any questions about in you know the creeks or the you know if you if you pull up two rivers and you just zoom out one click Hillsboro River State Parks below that you know in this county you guys really should have kept that land
but now that's into Rivers hand you know we really need to put them in line on what they're doing to this county. Thank you. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> After Mr. Carl Bailey is Miss Donna Holt.
>> Good afternoon, gentlemen. My name is Carl Bailey. I live 3609 East Tampa Circle. I am sworn in. I'm also a property owner in Pasco County. I'm also vice chairman of the Sierra Club and one of the organizers with Stop Two Rivers.
So, you can guess how this is going to go. I'm also 11 months out of the military. probably can't tell that because Marine Corps I cut my haircut a little shorter. Typically, they issue a beard when you retire, >> but I I'm not growing one. So, I grew a
Maine. Thank you for the opportunity and for the chairman for your patience with me earlier to participate in the democracy I defended. Thank you [clears throat] guys for giving up your time because I know you don't get paid enough to do this. >> Thank you for showing up and participating in democracy. So many
Americans today. >> You're going to have to speak in the microphone. We can't record you otherwise >> for showing up and participating in the democracy so many Americans defend and even for council and opposition. Thank you. It would be no fun without you. >> I'm asking you either vote no
acknowledging that your job is to vote whether it's consistent or not with the growth plan. I would remind you I know that's a risk. You're looking at the whole growth plan, not just the specific bullets that were cited earlier. >> So whether this is consistent with the
plan as a whole, I'm asking if you can't vote no, at least vote for a delay. And I'll get into some of the reasons why a delay may be prudent for this particular project. Now, a little bit about me. I grew up here, actually, Hillsboro County 301,
right across the street from Two Rivers Ranch. My sister actually mucks stalls and rode on the ranch and knew the Thomas family well. Moved to Pasco County because 30 years ago, Hillsboro County was getting overbuilt for my taste. After that, joined the Marine
Corps. You can imagine me coming home 24 years later to Hillsboro County and Pasco County. Completely grown up. When I left, we had growth. We had good growth along 54. We were growing. Coffers were
flowing here in Pasco County. We were building out some municipal structures. It was good. But that was because the infrastructure was required by law to be in place before we developed. So it all made sense. Coming home, wildlife, the wildlands,
the water, they're scarce. The infrastructure, at the risk of offending you, is well behind where it should be for the amount of development we have going on. I'm going to touch back on that later. So, I'm not opposed to growth.
>> Don't wait too much later because you got three minutes. So, [laughter] >> that's okay. >> Make sure you get everything in. >> We're talking about a change in the plan. So, we are changing a plan and the only reason for that is not to build affordable housing and we have affordable housing prices is to build homes for people like me can afford
$700,000 home. And I don't think that's consistent overall with what this county needs. You saw no justification for why we need to build a hotel, a retail space, and a water park in the middle of the Hillsboro River County Hills River flood
plan. Again, not affordability. We only can see a profit motive for that. And the county members are going to have to pay for all the human infrastructure we have to put in. All the police are going to have to hire, all the teachers for the schools, um emergency responders, etc.
And this is a time we may not have a property tax. So that brings me a first reason to delay. How do we pay for this if on November 3rd they vote the property tax down? Now talk about the things we can't fix. Wildland, wildlife, and water. Once it's gone, it's gone. Now the wildlands, the site has
undeveloped property. That's our risk mitigation. If we make a mistake now, how do I fix it? How do we develop growth in the future? The wildlife, it's why we live here. Most of the people in the audience, they'd have pictures of bald eagles in their front yards. Um,
that's that's why we do it. The water, either we have too much or we have too little. And I will respectfully disagree with one of the things said earlier, you can't put water just into a retention pond. Doesn't work. Once Tampa
closes the dam on the Hillsboro River that water backs up. This is the property it was supposed to back up into. when we had PE8 that property is where it used to back up into that water will go somewhere now that flooding will be displaced and the people in the audience are going to pay
for that with their insurance costs now too little is the other thing like we have now again looking at this comprehensively what would happen to our water resources if we had all this extra development in place that's a lot of straws in the ground and frankly with
our water problem it is a strategic lifeboat problem. There will be a limit to growth. We're already overpumping and these developments aren't finished. Lastly, I do want to talk about because I got a little bit of time. Bad taste. Asking for a water park in the middle of
a drought is like my son getting drunk, crashing the car, [clears throat] and then asking me for a new car while the blue lights are still flashing. Frankly, the timing is poor. Again, looking at this holistically, how does this plan fit with Hillsboro
County? This project's not bookended. Two Rivers wants to develop on the Hillsboro County side. All that traffic going down 301, which we call G Boulevard, is going to back up. Now lastly, as a testament to the state of the infrastructure, the whole family was
delayed in getting here because of that bike accident which may have been a fatality and they were not here for swearing in. So just request forbearance. If you can swear them in, I know that's out of the ordinary. I'd like to use the remainder of my time to give them an opportunity to speak. And then for the last nine seconds for
everyone here opposing to Rivers, please stand up. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> After [clears throat] Miss Donna Halt is a Mr. Gabrielle Halt.
>> You say Miss >> Oh, Miss Donna. >> Donna Halt is next. And then it's either Gabriel or Gabriel. >> It's [laughter] Gabriel. >> Um I was not sworn in. I was caught in the traffic so I'm not sure if I can. >> Yeah, she can be sworn in. Please raise your hand.
>> You want to get anybody else together? >> Yeah. Whoever has not been sworn in that wants to speak, stand and raise your right hand and be sworn. >> I would just ask that if you're going to come up and speak, please try to speak about something that hasn't already been
spoken about. >> Okay. you guys. >> Good um afternoon. I think at this point um commissioners, I my name is Donna Holt. I live at 6539 West Knights Griffin Road. I am in Plant City,
Florida. Um I am here today um to speak regarding this amendment and I'm asking that either you delay it or that you um turn it down. And I don't want to reiterate I think some of the things that some of the other people have said, but I think it's very important. One of
the questions that I have, I heard uh one of the representatives um indicate that this plan for [clears throat] this two rivers on the Pasco County side has been in motion basically since 2008. Uh my question is what's changed? What has changed since 2008 um that they want to
now have this plan amendment change? Has infrastructure changed? Has roads or schools changed? Fire rescue changed? law enforcement, utilities, water resources. We know we're in one of the biggest droughts um that we had. And I feel the burden shouldn't rest on the u
the residents um on this plan. I think that it should uh re rest on the applicant to demonstrate what the substantial changes have been. I'm concerned about the fiscal responsibility. With ongoing discussions at the state level about eliminating or reducing property taxes, local
governments are going to face uncertainty about the future revenue um and how they're going to pay for schools and fire stations, sheriffs, that type of thing. So my concern um also with this change is when this entire plan was developed they went before swift mud
wetlands were developed runoffs were developed retention ponds detention ponds all these things were developed in this community based on their original site plan what has changed what's going to change when they make these new changes what's going to change with this
water runoff that's a concern for me obviously I am south and we are facing you know two rivers um on the south side and now we're dealing with two rivers on the north side because that water is going to flow to us on our side. It's going to flow down through Hillsboro County River uh Hillsboro River and
that's going to affect all of Hillsboro County. Like Carl already said, if the dams are closed, it's going to back up. But what has changed? Has there been new um studies done regarding the storm water changes based on the new plan that they're requesting for you to approve versus what was approved? Where is this
water going to go? Um what's going to happen there? That's a big concern that I have. Uh my husband's a storm water engineer. We actually flooded during Milton. We literally just moved back on our house um back in uh January. And so I feel like one thing that needs to be
discussed is this water park. So now we don't no longer have old Florida. We no longer have old Pasco. Now you guys, you're going to have Hyde Park. Is that what I just heard? So horses and cows are going to now be replaced with Hyde Park. How many citizens in New River or
two in the two rivers even got a chance to come here today because you guys have this meeting at 1:30 in the afternoon when people who have to pay for their houses can't even come here and have a voice. That's a concern for me. So now welcome to Hyde Park in Zephr Hills
Wesley Chapel. Why do we need another water park? You already have a water park. That's a concern for me. I don't know if that's my time up. Oh, sorry. That's my time. I'm going to defer. >> Okay. Thank you. After Mr. Gabriel Holt is a Miss Janet Stano.
I apologize if I said that wrong. >> I'm sorry. Wait a minute. Who was supposed to be next? >> Gabriel. >> Gabriel Halt. >> That's me. Hello. >> It's you. Okay. >> I'm Gabriel Hold. Uh, hello commissioners. Um, >> what's your address, Gabriel? >> Oh, sorry.
Uh, I live at 6539 West Knights Griffin Road. I've been sworn in. >> Okay. Um, I'm here to voice my concerns about this land use change. It
has been found by your um people that it's consistent, but is it consistent with the Sorry. Sorry. Is it consistent with the plan and infrastructure or only the
plan? [clears throat] Sorry. As a youth who's been raised in rural Florida, I am upset with the two real river Rivers owners because they are going to
have a pretty large environmental impact because this is going to it's hard to say what has been said because lots of people have spoken, but it's going to use up lots and lots lots more water.
Take the 35 acre water park for instance. I know it's already been said, but on average, a water park of that size to initially fill can take anywhere from 17 to 19 million gallons of water.
Not only do we not have enough water to support the homes, we do not have enough water to support 17 million gallons of water being put into a water park. Not to mention the extra 200,000 gallons
that will probably be used per day to make up for what gets evaporated and splashed out of ponds. I mean, uh, pools, sorry. We are already having lots of either water shortages or
flooding. As has been said in Milton, where we live, we're not even supposed to flood, but we got a little over an inch of water in our house as well as our entire yard getting coated in water.
Trying to add almost double the amount of water straws into the aquafer than they already [clears throat] can is just unthinkable. And it will have immense econ uh I can't talk. Sorry.
[gasps] It will have immense environmental and economic uh impacts and it's just not going to be good for us for long term. Please vote against
this. Thank you for your time. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Good job. >> Up next is Miss Janet S. And after that is a Miss Nancy Williams. Good afternoon. Um, my name is Janet Stano. I live at 14701
Rocky Brook Drive in Tampa, Florida. I'm the chair of Tampa Bay Sierra Club. And the reason why Sierra Club is here today is Sierra Club is an environmental organization and the environment, the wildlife,
wetlands, uh, surface water knows no boundaries. It can't read the maps that are put up on the display. So, we are concerned about the uh the impact on Tampa Bay.
Um, the water affects us all. This land is part of the Hillsboro River flood plane and and Tampa water Tampa's water supply. The additional proposed intensity will use even more water in
residential areas. 50% of the water goes for irrigation to water lawns. How much more water and this is a question. How much more water will this expansion require? Have more
studies been done on the water requirements and where the water will come from and how uh surrounding areas will be impacted. Have you studied how wetlands and flood paint planes will be affected by the
additional pumping? Is there an estimate of additional development related flooding with a plan for managing that water or is the developer just relying on the per uh previous documentation that was
provided? I will close that it is unconscionable for the applicant to ask for a 35 acre water park in the middle of a drought when municipalities are challenged to provide water for residents
and have had build moratoriums and we're o overpumping the peace river. Our first priority is to uh to ask for a a denial of this request
in 2008. They've been working on it since 2008 and had an approval. Then they brought in a consultant and needed more density. >> Now, what's to stop them next year for getting from getting another consultant
and adding yet even more density? So, we're asking for a denial, but if it's not possible to do that, we ask for a continuence to coordinate with Hillsboro County uh to assess the impact
on the total parcel between the two counties. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> The last individual I have signed up to speak is Miss Nancy Williams. Hi, my name is Nancy Williams. I live at
35617 Sunflower Hill Drive in Two Rivers. Um, I came here, we came here today, my husband and I, because we're excited. We wanted to know what was going on. We saw the the signs and thought, "Oh, we want to have all the information because we're retired. We
can go back home and tell everyone what's going on." I'm really disappointed that there are so many people who are against what's going on because we're excited. Um, we have lived there. We understand the community and what the builders are doing. It's a good
thing that they are doing a lot of things that are being conservative and being protective of the community. We sit in our lai every morning along the preserve and we watch the wildlife. We are living the life of the preserve and
the wonderful community that they have been developing. Um when the hurricane happened two years ago, it was right after we moved in and we didn't get flooding, but the preserve was flooded. So they are accommodating for flooding in our areas. They are doing the right things. They're planting bahaya grass in
the backyards so that and with no sprinkler systems in the backyard so that we aren't consuming as much water as the normal home. So, I'm feeling that the developer is doing what they can to do for the the environment at the same
time giving us the the homeowners the things that we want in a new community. We are coming from all over. We didn't we didn't live here before. Um there aren't a lot of places to buy into that have everything. And this is a community that's going to have everything. That's
why we bought here. So, we're happy with what's going on, and you need to keep that in mind as well. >> All right. Thank you. >> There are no more individuals signed up uh to speak, Mr. Chair. >> All right. I I know that you want to
speak, so you can come up, but is there anybody else that wants to speak >> that hasn't been sworn? >> Julia Barsonic, Meadowwood Tribe have been sworn. And um I'm all for geriatric apartments. Um I may be in one sooner
than later. Um but definitely not in this area. Um and we're going to need more geriatric facilities in Pasco County because more more younger people are actually leaving Pasco County that
have grown up here, which is very sad. Um I was at listening in on one of the county meetings and in a mere uh five or six years we're going to have to be looking at purchasing 33 million gallons
of water daily from Hillsboro County who may not even sell us that water because they may need to uh bolster the levels of the Hillsboro River. So, this is definitely something to uh
consider because I don't know who's going to be liable. Um, Pasco obviously is going toilet to tap um as it's called, but who's going to be liable when those taps go dry in five or six
years? Does anyone know when people go, the average citizen goes to turn on their tap for water or a fire department goes to put out a fire? Um because we have many fires these days in Florida. Where's the water going to come from?
It's I'm deeply concerned about that and thank you for your time and thank you for what you do. I don't know how you do it, but um grateful for everybody here, our speakers and everybody. Thank you. Uh please please deny this or continue. Thank you. >> Thank you.
So we've heard a lot I just want to mention that we've heard a an awful lot about water. You know whether it's right or wrong. That's those are things we have to decide. So I would prefer that if you're going to come up and speak just speak about a different topic.
That's all. Give us something besides water. >> So I can throw this away. This is Jasmine Forin. I'm at 14119 uh family trail in Hudson.
I moved there from Panelis because it was over overbuilt and now I'm I'm aiming to move someplace else because everything around me is destroyed. Uh as far as water goes, um
I think that they should bring in sea water from the instead of drinking water from the aquifer if they want this uh elaborate thing to to serve few people who can afford it. This entire project [clears throat] is for rich people.
They promise jobs. Where will the people that do work there live? [clears throat] Panelis is u employing people that live in Pasco because it's cheaper. Are we at the
point where we have to go elsewhere for workforce because everything else is so expensive? Um, also [clears throat] I'm I'm curious to know if I had to pay $20,000 impact fee for a smallest of the mobile homes
in in Hudson area, how much of impact fees are these people paying the county. So, East Coast is not too far away. They can go surfing in the ocean there. Uh,
instead of building a a it is amusement park. I'm sorry. It's It is It is something that's created just to amuse uh people who can afford it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay.
Just a minute. One minute, Nancy. Um were you were you on the list, Nancy? >> No. >> Were you on the list? >> No. >> Okay. >> How many were not on the list that do want to speak? >> Okay. But you've been sworn, Nancy, right? Yes.
>> Okay. So, why don't you come on up? But the other ones, the two I guess there's two of you. We'll we'll have to swear you in before you come up. >> I'll be short and sweet. Nancy Hazeswood 341, a nice place. And I won't talk about
water much. So, I'd really be more impressed if I saw images of the architecture. I know we saw pictures of the park and the bars and the restaurants, but the architecture and what the grounds are going to look like
and that would be impressive. >> I, you know, I've gone to back to these places that they've said, "Oh, it's wonderful and look at all the loveliness we're going to create." And I've been over underwhelmed 99% of the time.
So, I've got some questions about the surf park. Uh, is it going to be open to the public? Because I know Marada was open to the public. A lot of people that moved in there didn't realize it was going to be. And they actually had some
problems there when it was open in the uh public because they were also drinking at the same time they were playing in the water park. Uh so those were the two big problems that
well I have more problems with it but you all have already heard them so thank y'all. >> Thank you Nancy. [clears throat] >> Oh one more thing um could we do a breakdown of what kind of jobs the surf park's going to u bring like the high end of the what they're going to make
and the low end and how many of these and how many of those. Thank you. as I'm sure they're making notes and they'll try to answer >> Yeah. >> any of the questions that you raised. >> Okay. >> I just wanted to let you know that you won the Planning Commission participation trophy today.
>> Oh, stop. >> So, I brought you some beautiful organically grown butternut squashes from my garden. >> You'd like to come up and get them claim them? They're yours. >> Come on, Nancy.
Thank you. [laughter] >> Wow. You set the bar high. >> That's right. >> Jeez. How are we going to top that one? >> Organically grown butternut squash. >> What are you giving away, Chris?
>> I don't know. I'm [laughter] I I have some avocados going. >> Okay. >> Okay. We forgive your name and address. Hi, my name is Karen Mcolddrich. I live at 5973 Bear Meadow in Plant City. >> Okay, let's get you sworn in, please. >> I think I already did. She did her second.
>> Oh, you did? Okay. >> Um, I've heard we live we live on just a thousand feet from what Two Rivers wants to do in their 8,000 acres. So, this is a huge concern for us. Um, what
I've heard for the past couple hours is a lot of words, a lot of words from salesmen, from suits that want to promise one thing and then they do what they do and then they back out and they're never heard from again. Um, I've had a heard a lot of promises what they
want to do. Um, but there's only so much that they can promise with really no no proof, [sighs and gasps] no no planning. They they've not planned for traffic. They've not planned for water. They've not planned for the
infrastructure. The infrastructure is going to be required from the surrounding community to pay for the fire, the ambulance, the police, um the the roadway improvements. The developer is not going to pay for all
that. Um so I guess when I say that all I've heard is a lot of words from them, the word that means the most to me is impact. What impact is all that they want to do going to have on all of us if you live
in this area is going to impact you? The water flows south. The aquafer flows south. And I know that we've talked a lot about water, but that is a huge concern. When Milton came through my house, and I live on four and a half acres, [clears throat] three of it is wetland.
That wet land takes that water, soaks it up like a sponge, and spreads it around and and sends it on its way. I was trapped on my property by a foot and a half of water for 4 days after Milton. Now, praise God, my husband built our home. He built it up. So, it
didn't get in my home, but at 1:00 in the morning when the storm came through, it was really close. So, now with all of this development, a lot of these homes, every one of them is going to have sinks, toilets, maybe some showers or or maybe some um pools. that the water
park, all of this requires water. We need water. So, I'm afraid one of two things is going to happen. Either either we're going to flood and the the roads around me are going to flood in a normal summer storm like I got an inch and a half yesterday in my in my little area
in half an hour or and then and it's going to flood or my well's going to dry. We just had our well rebuilt because it's 20 years old. I had to have a new pump put in. Cost me $2,500. What's going to happen if my well runs
dry and I have to have a new one dug? How many thousands of dollars is that going to cost me? Are they going to pay for that? Do I call them and say, "Hey, you know what you did?" Because when the lady over here talks about how they're going to mitigate the flooding and her house didn't flood, well, good for her
because the developer brought in four feet of ground and raised her house up. But what what that does for the rest of it, the water's got to go somewhere. So her house isn't going to flood, my property will.
Please consider the impact that all that's going to do because when it comes down to it, we don't need more homes. We don't need more retail. You know, I'm continuing to be a little confused about the presentation
uh about water because on the one hand, somebody comes up and tells me we're getting flooded and on the other hand, somebody come the other next next one tells me they can't don't have any drinking water. So, what is it? Do we have water or do we have flooding? >> You know, how can you have
>> I don't want any conversation from I'm talking to this lady right here. You know, it's you you can't have it both ways. It's either flooding or it's not flooding. >> You know, you either have drinking water or you don't. >> That that's the >> I live in the same county. I face the
same issues. You know, I have I've lived on a well most of my life and I've had to buy a pump, a new pump, a new tank. I even put in new wells. It's just what do you have to do when you live on on a well? >> I understand that. You can't expect, you
know, Mr. Engel there to buy you a new well anytime yours goes bad. And where you chose to live is a place that floods naturally. Nobody else around there created that flood. And so if the water comes into your house, is that our
fault? Is that my fault? No. You chose to live there. >> My >> people come here every day and and they want to live. We're not allowed to require them to have a passport. my my property doesn't >> might have to find some place for them if we're going to allow them to come in
here. If you can develop a way to stop people from coming to Florida, then you know it's a lot easier to deal with it. But because you came here and most of the people in the this room came here, there was no there was nobody before you
came. Maybe they didn't want you here. Maybe they didn't want me here. I've been here I know I've been here longer than most people in this room and I I've and my family's been here longer than most people in this room. My father was the first child born in Newport Richie.
So I know how long I've been here and we we all have these these problems we have to deal with with people coming to Florida because everybody loves Florida. They either love Florida or Texas or that's where people are going these days.
What are you supposed to do? I I If you own property and you want to sell your property, why should your neighbor decide who you're going to sell it to? You're the one that has the investment. What I'm saying is what I'm trying to
tell you is there's two sides to every coin. So you can't just come up here and make statements about water and transportation and things when you don't really have any facts. It's just what you feel. Every day I get on this road,
too. You know how long it takes me to get from here to Newport Richie? A long time. You know how much I get paid to do this? Nothing. You know, somebody brought up the idea that we, you know, why do we have these meetings at 1:00? Well, it's my work day, too. I have a business, but I
choose to volunteer my time to be here to try to solve these problems. You know, I have people that get leave the leave these meetings mad at me. They think I'm getting rich off of it. You know, it's
you got to be open a little bit open-minded about it. Other people there's a lot of people in this room that don't want this, but there's a lot of people that aren't in this room that do want it. So, we have to consider both. And I just want you to understand it
because I ask you, don't keep bringing up water unless you have some real technical knowledge that we need to hear. But yet, everybody keeps coming up and talking about water. We've, you know, I'm trying to tell you that if you
come up here again and talk about water, I'm I'm not going to let you talk about it. had enough about water unless you have some technical knowledge about water. So, thank you. Who's next?
>> It's you. Come on. 5839 Frontier Drive, Zephr Hills, Florida, quarter mile of P County line. I'm going to talk about water because I have a degree in hydraulic.
>> You better have some serious information about it. That's all I'm telling you. >> Oh, I do. >> All right. >> I do. I do. Um there's a Florida statute that states that the local and state governments are
required to provide people with portable drinking water. >> Which statute number is that? >> I don't have it in front of me, but I can certainly send >> Well, then why are you talking about it? >> I can send it to >> you. Just anybody can say that. Give me something we can put our teeth into.
>> Okay. All right. Well, let's go here then. Okay, I have run out of water in my shower. I've had two wells dug on my property.
The first well dried up. Okay. The second well is as far back in the woods. They wanted to cut trees down and I would not allow them. They had to figure out a way to get their rig in there to
pump another well. This well produced rusty sediment fililled water. Okay. I do know the aquifer is at least 20 feet below what it should be. I do
measure springs throughout the state of Florida and Georgia and every one of them are getting lower and lower. Governor Brian Kemp and I are currently corresponding regarding how Georgia's water is being
affected by the 33 milliong lagoons being built. Now a water park being built. Okay. Now let me give you some facts about water parks. >> Can I stop you for a second? Make sure she gets
>> the clock. >> Yep, she can stop the clock. How are the lagoons in Pasco County affecting the water in Georgia? Cuz the last I checked, Florida was suing Georgia for water problems.
>> Well, >> that's exactly right. >> Let me just say this. There are a lot of lawsuits going on right now. >> Well, get it right. That's only that's our only point. Don't come up here and make a statement that you can't verify.
If you'd give me more time than three minutes. >> No, I'm not. >> No, of course you're not. >> But you're not bringing any facts here. >> You all don't want to know the truth. >> Oh, yeah. We're up here conspiring against a generational Pasco County
resident. Okay. My father was not a My grandfather, my greatgrandfather were not people with a lot of money. They were farmers. Hey, none of us had a lot of money. >> We'll see.
>> What does that have to do with it? >> What does that mean? That's my research. Anyway, just for people out there that know that um 900 million gallons a day go to the new
developments who are watering the new landscaping that is going in. I know this because I live on a road where I see puddles every day and think, "Oh my god, it rained when no, it's not rain.
It's their sprinklers running into the road instead of onto the plants, the trees that they've already had to remove and replace. So, the bottom line here is there is really no reason to add an adventure island to
Pasco County. You're going to add traffic to two-lane roadways that do is not even your time's up to look at. >> Okay. Time's up. >> And I will get you your information and >> Okay. Just make sure you
>> verify it. >> I will verify it. >> Is there anybody [laughter] else? >> Anybody else that wants to speak? >> Okay. The applicant Hope you made a lot of notes.
>> I did. I did. Mr. Chairman, before I I start responding to some of the general stuff, I do have Joe Simino, uh, our one of our project engineers with Water Resources Associates, and he can answer a lot of these questions if you'd like to get into them. Clearly, there are a
lot of just generalizations. Okay, Joe, if you would come up and and try to we can uh provide answers on the amount of water that the surf park will use. Obviously, when it comes to flooding and things of this nature, we have to follow all of the same storm water rules that
everybody follows at the county and with swift mud. One thing I think it's important for our neighbors to know and maybe that they don't know this, uh that this whole project uses reclaimed water. So, a lot of the large landscaping areas
and and water usage that you normally worry about with portable water, we're on a reclaimed system here. >> So, that's not the same as using portable water. >> That's the way they do those ponds. Is that right? Circulate the water and reuse it.
>> Different different than reuse water. >> Good. Good afternoon, everyone. Uh Joe Simino with Water Resource Associates 12363 Hampton Park Boulevard, Tampa, Florida 33624. Um I got to say it, I don't know if you guys were thinking this, hats off to Gabriel. He came up
with the math. Um >> I've never been able to get up here when I was that age and do this. So that was that was pretty amazing. Um his math wasn't too far off, but it was on a 35 acre lagoon. And that's understandable because the bullet points up there all
say 35 acre surf park. This is a 6 acre lagoon. It's smaller than Marada. It's smaller than Eperson. Uh and that's what we're dealing with here. So it's not a 35 acre lagoon. And hopefully that eases some concerns. Um what we want to get
into here is some of the math. That's what you've asked for. And what I'm going to speak today is specifically the Southwest Florida Water Management District water use permitting that we need to do to withdraw water from the ground to fill and operate the surf park. I'm going to throw out a number.
Um it's a it's a recirculating system and I'm going to throw out a number of 8,000 gallons per day. I'm going to compare that to some things for context and then I'm going to get into what makes up that 8,000 gallons per day. Um, we've [clears throat] heard a lot about golf courses mostly because we've heard
a lot about AI data parks and they've been compared to golf courses. Um, but we've got some very solid numbers. We've all been working with about 300,000 gallons per day on a golf course. Um, a medium data center or a small data center. Once you get into the larger
data centers, 500,000 gallons per day up to a million gallons per day. So, the way that compares to 800,000 gallons per day is it's 37 times less than a typical Florida golf course, 37 times less than a midsize data center,
65 times less uh than a 100 megawatt data center, and 100 times less than some of the large AI campuses that we've all been hearing about. If we compare that to common everyday uses, that equates that 8,000 gallons equates to approximately 37 single family homes, 46
multif family homes, and a little more than 50,000 square ft of commercial office building. Surf Lagoon serves about a,000 people based on the projections. Golf per year, I'm sorry, per day. Golf course 100 to 250.
Residential 100 homes, 138 homes. So what we're basically looking at is something that's 37 times less than some of those uses. Um um 100 times less than some of the big
scary AI data center uses and it serves almost 10 times as many people as some of those uses. So let's get into that 8,000 gallons per day. We've got Marada, we've got Eper, we've got Lake Hideway that's to the north in Hernando. We've got Southshore to the south in
Hillsboro. This is not a new thing. These new lagoons were a different conversation 10 years ago. Now they are a known quantity. The water management district permitting requires extensive research, reporting, um, and analysis to come up with what these uses are going
to require to operate and replenish every day. What we're coming up with, and it's based on known numbers, known evaporation, known rainfall, swift numbers for that. um spill out, splash out, talking about a quarter of a gallon per person. Um so it's it's not
extensive. And what we're coming up with is about 1,300 gallons per day per acre on all those other permits. That's what's coming out. So if you, you know, take the lake hideway 3.5 acres, Marada 16 acres, Eperson 8 acres, Southshore 5
acres, the operational quantities that SwiftMUD is is vetting through lots of data and issuing permits based on is about 1300 gallons per day per acre. That's where we're extrapolating our six acres to around 8,000 gallons per day.
Um, as we all know, rainfall uh throughout the year basically offsets evaporation, not in the peak times, but on average throughout the year. And then again, minor losses through treatment systems, splash out and leakage, which is more of a problem up in Hernando when we're many, many, many feet above the
water table where here everything's pretty much going to be equalized with the water table. Um, so just to summarize all that, golf courses and data centers are significant users compared to anything like this by
probably three dozen times. Uh, for for small data centers and golf courses, large data centers, we're talking a hundred times less or 100 times more. Um, surf parks going to serve about 10 times more the amount of people is that. And then again, the surf park water use,
it's it's one of the lowest water demands among public recreation water use when you look at these things like golf courses. Um, so that's the ma math. That's the data on the, uh, the daily operational usage. Uh, the filling,
because I know that's come up again, a 35 acre lagoon would be gargantuan. What we're talking about is a 6acre lagoon. It's 8 million gallons. That sounds like a big number. You could say it like 8 million gallons because it sounds like a
big number. To put that into context, if you take the surf park area and just the portions of the NPU that are around it, the the commercial, the the multif family, the out parcels along 56, everything that's directly around it,
that's about 120 acres. 8 million gallons pulled from the ground for that initial fill is two and a half inches over that 120 acres and it's not instantaneously evaporated from the groundwater system.
Part of the permit half of the analysis is how many gallons a day can we use to fill it up so that we have zero impact on anything outside our property boundaries. So that two and a half inches of the groundwater table over that just the nearest area around it on
site, it gets done over three-week period. Two week, 3 week, it all depends on what the data says. So the water management district polices this. They've now got four under their belt and every single one of them, I can tell you going through the data, the
reporting was the first one, the second one, the third one, and now they're like PhD thesis. Um, it's impressive how what once was new is now a known quantity and uh you don't just get to turn on the faucet and fill it whenever you want, however fast you want. That's even
regulated too. Two and a half inches over that area. >> I appreciate that. That's very offers some clarification to me and I'm sure it does for the rest of the group here. >> Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to say one more thing and then you know if there
are questions we could answer them. But the the question was posed by one of the the the neighbors, one of the speakers I should say. You know, what has changed since 2008? What did we do? How, you know, why are we doing this? Well, what
happened was since 2008, the county did a countywide study and adopted an urban service area. The county also adopted around that same time rural areas that were worthy of protection and are not
intended to have more intense or higher density areas. This is in the urban service area. The county also adopted the south market area with the specific intensification and densification goals I mentioned earlier. The county then
approved the plan development and MPUD for this project. The developer then at its cost built all of the water, sewer, and reclaim services, the master lines down 56 that serve the whole project as
well as the on-site facilities. The county and the developer then were the driving force to get State Road 56 extension built. It did not exist, but for this project, we built and I'm still very proud of it to this day.
Maybe this and Angeline may be the things I'm the most proud of in my career. We built a 6.13 mile four-lane road in a head of development. We did it for this project. This was the main reason we did it working together. Uh we also uh went out
and built at this point we've built or in the process of building all of the vision roads in the project for no fee credits. If this project was in VOP or connected city, we would be entitled to millions and millions of fee credits.
And we also dedicated right away for 56 Morris Bridge Road and 301, most of which for zero compensation. That would not be the case in certain other areas of the county. So, what have we been doing since 2008? We've been planning to get just to this point. And the county's
goal is for us to build this project out as well as we can. We're going to have a full strata of uh workingclass people and some multif family projects on down to people living in million-doll homes in here. And that's what the county
wants. And furthermore, because the facilities are already in place, the the higherend the more higherend homes and the more commercial we can build in here, it ignores to the county's financial interest, especially if this
real estate proposal passes in the fall because we're going to be in the high-end strata and it will be much much better for the county than having an entry-level project. So that's what we've been doing the last 18 years
planning to get to this point. >> Okay. Um >> so clerk I have a question. >> Um I actually thought Miss Hazelwood made the best comment of all. She deserves that award you gave [laughter] >> because she didn't talk about water. Um
>> thank you. >> Thank you. [laughter] Um how do we what's the guarantee that we're not going to be underwhelmed by the surf port? Um because I because I'm looking at the conditions here and it doesn't really have a lot of details about >> this surf park. It's very general. All
it says is really that it won't be a lagoon. >> I can have got a very nice PowerPoint about it, but none of that's really in the condition. >> Yeah, it's it's it's a difficult thing to do. We haven't done that in our other MPDs that had the other similar or not
similar that had lagoons and stuff like that. You and I tried to create a condition to memorialize what this is that it's intended to be regional in nature. All I can tell you is Tony's here. He can speak and give you as much details you'd like about what his plans
are. We are, you know, we have a contract with Tony for him to build the park as it's proposed on these boards. We have no other plans. There is no backup plan. If Tony does not build that, we will not have a surf park
there. Um, so you know, he can explain in as great a detail. He has investors. He has a business plan. They've been patiently waiting. And one of the things I should say also, some of the neighbors, and we go through this water stuff and drought and too much water in these periods. We filed this amendment
over two years ago, and I'm really sorry that it came up during a drought period, but it did. But I thought it was going to be, you know, maybe a year less time, but the countyy's very busy is all I can say. Would you like Tony to speak to the
surf park, David? I mean, I don't >> I want to describe it. >> The reason I think Miss Hazelwood made a comment is because I made a very similar comment when I was reviewing this. It's easy to give a lot of words, but without the language that sort of
guarantees we're going to get what he's saying verbally all I mean I'm looking at condition 41N it doesn't necessarily require anything other than a big hole in the ground but it's a surf
park and it doesn't require all the stuff that he's saying verbally >> right and so >> I mean I'm happy to work with you after planning commission if there's additional verb verbage for I thought everybody was happy on staff about it. I I guess >> I was never happy with this language and I made that very clear to staff.
>> Okay. I did not know that. >> And Miss Hazelwood, that's why I thought you made a very good point because it I support the surf park and I support what he's saying verbally, >> right? >> But the language that's written here doesn't necessarily require what he's
saying verbally. >> Okay. >> All it requires is a big lake that isn't a lagoon. I I am I'm I am happy to work with you to try to come up with more language to identify what it is that Tony intends to build. I mean, it's intended to be a tourist destination
that has a a mixture of uses that can include hotels and all the other things. And I'm happy to flesh that out more in writing. I didn't realize that that you weren't satisfied. So >> it might be it might be good for the benefit of people that are here to let
county >> we we do have time by the way you know this has to go to the state so we have like like two and a half months to do this. >> Yeah. I all I'm saying is that if we're going to be giving up some nice office
industrial land and you know it's going to be this great tourism draw. I agree with Miss Hazlewood that let's get this if it's going to be this great attraction, let's get what we're being promised. >> We have no objection to that. That's that's our intention as well. We're
intending on Tony doing that for EPG, the master development. >> Is this the standard six-year MPUD buildout time frame? >> Um, can you speak up in the mic? I'm sorry. I said, "Is this the standard
six-year MPUD buildout time frame?" >> They have a different buildout period. >> What's the time frame? >> 2035. They're saying, Mr. >> I should I should also say just for the benefit of of our neighbors, we we did
take uh some of the mobility fees and their program for improvements to Morris Bridge Road. So it's basically everything from 54 south to almost to the county line will be four lane between what this developer's doing or
the what we call the impound fund is for the county to forlane the section 56 up to Chanse or down >> I think it's is it fair to say because I think one of the one of the concerns that I can't remember your name man in
the blue shirt back there um I I think it was him that said about the uh roads. That was the thing he was most concerned about, the roadways and the and the those types of improvements. And all that comes with impact fees. And um
without you might want to touch on that because I think a lot of people don't know that without impact fees, the county has no money to make those kind of improvements. So we're sort of behind the eightball. We that's why we have to >> think about the county the county funds
its roadway improvements through a system of several different for uh uh sources. One of the larger of which is mobility fees. And as mentioned from this project, it's estimated that it'll generate around $50 million in mobility fees. And of that, about 9 million are
programmed to go in improvements for Morris Bridge Road. It will be up to the county to determine where the remainder of those funds go. They could be for parallel roads. They could be for other improvements in the area that alleviate some of the 301 effects that we see
today. I will say the I the last time I looked at at our plan, the uh 301 segment between 56 and Chansy I think is number two on our priority list. Um, and that's something that the DOT reps, you
know, sit on our NO board and and work on that stuff together. I'll also say because I'm told by Steve Henry that their conversations ongoing with DOT that we are looking at a series of interim improvements uh for the intersection of 56 and 301 right now.
And that may include four laning segments going north uh sooner than the the DOT timeline. just something we're working on right now there, but there not isn't anything in writing and I I believe it's the county staff's position
that you know 301 and I don't want to speak for county staff but it's you know a DOT road and the county is expecting that DOT funds would be used for the improvements on 301. We would expect to work together through the no process but generally that would be a state DOT
funded project. Mr. Goldstein can correct me if I'm saying that wrong. No, I think that's right. >> Okay. >> Did you want to hear from Nate? Um, >> can we hear Yes. Can we hear from >> Well, I'm okay if want to hear from him. I'm more concerned about the wording than I
>> Well, that's what I want to get to. David, >> I just want to make sure public has an >> Can he have his developer come up here and specifically describe what makes a surf park? Sure. >> Versus a Marada or Eper Lagoon. Absolutely. What What it is?
>> Come on up. Yeah, I think it's a good idea. some bullet points. You >> bet. Um, so a couple things around the surf park that's very different than what you're going to see with the lagoons. Lagoons are very passive. There was a lot of problems with, I believe, how they got funded um through um people
that lived there. They they were using HOA fees. This is and then they let the general public in. This is something that is not that in any way. Um we are privately funding this. We're not asking any residents. >> That's not what I'm getting to. Okay. >> What what makes a surf park a surf park?
You've got a machine that generates waves. You got so many linear feet of beach. The waves are going to be so high. I'm going to have x many square feet of concession stands and hotel rooms or what? What is this? >> Yeah. So, uh all of that um so the in
terms of the surfing, we are able to get about um about 100 surfers an hour through and they're all going to catch 10 waves. These are legitimate ocean quality waves. I think that this is going to be most impactful for people that have never surfed before, that
would be afraid to go out in the ocean. Ocean surfing is very difficult. People think that they can just go out into the ocean and go surfing. A lot of people are afraid of sharks. It's intimidating. There's a whole host of reasons why it's difficult. This allows for people to come in and do beginner waves, intermediate waves. You're going to see
a lot of kids participating in this. They're going to start off. You're going to have high school surf teams. You will have youth sports. So you have club surf just like you have club softball, club soccer. So we will make surfing democratized to a whole host of people that will be coming in. Surfing is
different than going to adventure. Somebody said adventure island. That's a thrill and nobody does a thrill that often. This is a skill. A skill is something people come back for and they want to do over and over again. So it's vastly different than just at a a water park. It's not that at all. And it's
certainly not a large lagoon that's essentially a large pool. uh like what you've seen with the other lagoons around that. It allows you an opportunity to now create a much bigger guest experience for the people that are there. You can create uh a whole food and beverage scene as I mentioned before. You can create other activities
that people can do, concerts, uh things for them to dwell and stay, extend that time. I've got a hospitality background. So, everything that we're going to do in here is about the guest experience. It's from the beginning to the end. And I've been working on this project for five years. It's going to be another two to
three before we have this thing built. There's been a lot of time, effort going into this. So, what you're seeing there is our best version of this and we are tied in with the developer. They don't get some of the things that they want unless we get the Surf Park built. So, there's no guarantees in life, but we're
trying to make sure that what you're looking for is what you're going to get. What we're telling you is what we're going to provide. Again, I am not one of the developers that has done the lagoons. This is I am somebody who's got a vision to be a long-term operator of
this and I'm going to put that together in a way where it's going to be successful. So, I can get into I can go down a lot of rabbit holes in terms of the surf park. I don't think everybody in here wants me to do that. I can tell you of the 510 jobs that somebody asked before what kind of jobs we're going to
have. We're going to have engineering jobs. We're going to have marketing jobs. We're going to have finance jobs. We're going to have HR jobs. We're going to have hospitality jobs. There's not a single person in my proform that's making less than or not a person making minimum wage. They're all making something above minimum wage. This is a
long-term uh project that I've got in mind that's going to be long-term sustainable. I want my people that are going to be there all along that spectrum to be making a very good wage. I want them to have housing close by, apartments and other things so that they can live close by. And that's also part
of the appeal of the whole Two Rivers development and some of the additional. >> How long will it take you to develop a plan submitt to be able to submit construction plans for site plans and building permit approvals to the county? >> We've been working on that right now uh
all the way through. A lot of that is working with Eisenhower Property Group. They're doing a lot of the horizontal work that's you know tied into what we're doing. We've been talking through drainage. We've been talking through uh utilities. We were talking about all that horizontal work to answer your question. I mean it's it's a little bit
speculative right now because every time I think that we are at a certain place there becomes another thing that we have to address. Um I thought we were going to have entitlements delivered a long time ago. So we're part of a much bigger package. >> Let me tell you where I'm trying to go with it. >> Okay.
>> All right. What I'm looking at is h I would like to know how long it will take for you to put construction plans in place ready to submit. I know they may not be approved
that day, but ready to submit. And where I'm headed with this, David, is and why I asked about the buildout time for the MPUD. Usually when an MPUD expires, well, you expire with no entitlement. you've lost that entitlement. And what I'm looking at is
can we have some kind of condition where if this isn't built within a certain amount of time that meets a certain standard that that reverts back to the commercial and industrial entitlement that it was before. >> I if I might I I think I heard him start
to make a list of the things that it would include and I think that's the first thing that we ought to try to get at. I think that's what you asked. Well, the the only thing I got definitively was 100 surfers per hour and 10 waves per surfer. That's all I got. >> I'll I'll just go I'll I'll go from from
where I'm I'm going here and we can work off of this. And he's got to tell me whether he can do these things. This is not scripted here. What I'm hearing is that a privately funded and and maybe this is the wrong term, but a privately funded tourist attraction, surfingbased
tourist attraction that would include a lagoon with a machine that generates waves that's designed to uh serve up to 100 surfers per hour and
would include a beach and will include a venue for outdoor music or festivals and may include hotels. That's what I' I've heard him say so far. >> Okay, I appreciate >> it's open to the open to the public.
>> It would be Yeah, it's open to the public >> and privately funded. >> Be a little bit more specific on that because I didn't realize that's what you were looking for. We have currently built into the plan 150 ft boutique hotel. That's currently what we're looking to do. We have about uh 12,000
square feet of of retail planned for the thing. We've got an additional um about 10 to 15,000 square feet for uh food and beverage. Um we've got a 1acre festival field planned for this. Um we've got
going through my memory here. Um we've got the surf lagoon. Obviously I gave you some uh information about that. Um, we've got a 1acre um, uh, action sports park uh, built into the plan. These are all things that I've put into and are in uh, the current documentation.
>> I would think developing a >> I think what we're worried about is, you know, a lot of this stuff's probably going to get built in phases and I don't want to get so ingrained in it that if we don't build one thing, you know, he's somehow running a foul of the intent of it. But I I I do agree that we should
have a better definition of it and work That's what I'm trying to figure out as an outline. >> This is Yeah, this is Yeah, that's right. But if you if planning commission would permit me, I'd rather work with staff to try to create the kind of condition that we're we're going to do now that I understand what you're looking for.
>> Is David is would it be appropriate and I know you sort of the oxymoron, but some sort of binding concept plan for a surf park? I mean, that would that would also address the concern. I just don't know if they
they're they've gotten far enough along to do that. I mean, because that's >> we could just show that as the concept plan that's intended to be reflected in that concept plan, but I'd also rather put some words in there to make it clear that he doesn't have to build absolutely
everything on there and he doesn't have to build it all at once. >> Well, we understand, >> but we want to have some >> That's why I said the term's an oxymoron, a binding concept plan. We've had that debate in here before, but >> but I'm not sure any binding concept plan requires them to build everything on the plan, but it just says if you build, you're going to build in
accordance with this plan. >> Yeah, I I I don't view this as Yeah, in any event, I would work with staff on that on that condition. And again, I'm hearing more today about the level of detail than I was even aware going into the hearing. So, I'm happy to flesh this out with Tony on it. And and to your
point, Mr. Mr. Moody, I think if and I don't know what the private arrangement is and the timelines of when he's got to build with Eisenhower, but if you're saying that, you know, by the expiration of the current MPU, if he doesn't build that, you know, or build some portion of
it, whatever we fleshed this out to be, it could go back to the other uses and should go back to the other uses. I don't think we'd have an objection to that as to the surf park area. >> Good. I'd have to I need to double check with Eisenhower, but I mean, we're trying to get this done because we feel
like the surf park's for the betterment of the area and our project as a whole. >> I just um my concern is you've been working on this on and off for 18 years, you know, and it's evidently the neighbors don't have a good idea what's
going on there. I just think we need to do a better I better make a better effort to communicate with them. So, because There's a lot of misinformation flying around and that just makes our job harder. >> Yeah, completely understood. Uh,
>> you know, they think there's going to be a big lagoon, 35 acre lagoon and we're talking about an 8,000 square 8,000 uh square foot pool or 6acre pool. You know, that's >> I I will I will hit on that in this condition and make it more definitive.
And again, my apologies that we weren't spe more specific on it. I just honestly >> it just creates problems that we don't need. >> It's a it's it's a new thing. So it's kind of hard for David and I to describe some of the stuff. But >> thought you could do it. >> We will do that. >> Well, I mean the other thing Clark is
you mentioned about the existing conditions related to what you have to do regarding the headarters of the Hillsboro River and protecting them. I mean, that's information that if maybe if you actually publicize what you have to do already,
>> right? >> That would be helpful for these residents to know, >> right? Fair enough. I mean, and and and again, some of the folks who are here today, I think, are of more of a regional nature than a neighborhood nature, but that doesn't mean that they have invalid concerns about the river
and stuff like that. This is incredibly important to our region. We're in a drought and everybody's understandably worried about these things. I'm not trying to minimize it. I just know that I I you know having to watch my dad be one of the people that got Tampa Bay water created. We have a robust system
here with alternative sources and Tampa Bay Water reintegrated again about a month ago. There is no water shortage within the Tampa Bay water system. They're constantly adding adapting things and we have room to grow. Uh >> Mark, I hear I hear you. I hear you.
But it's hard to tell the public there's no water shortage when a restaurant cannot legally serve a glass of water unless it is specifically requested for. Okay. And again, I don't know what and I will publicly say that >> came up with that policy. All you do is
scare the public. >> That's right. >> That's foolish. >> I agree. >> Okay. And I've been through periods of flood and I've been through periods of drought. And I'm praying to God that when El Nino delivers its thing this winter that this drought is going to be
history. But >> the public's dealing with it on a day. >> The public is told they can't water their yard. The public is told if you're if you're a restaurant owner, you can't serve water. Well, how can they not be concerned about water? >> And again, I don't blame them. If you're
if you're like me and you live over on the coast and you live west of the Sun Coast Parkway, we're in a worse drought than you've ever seen. My my property looks like a sand lot, right? >> There's nothing living there because we've had zil zilch for rain, right?
>> What What else do you expect these people to think? >> Again, I I I I'm not giving short trip to their concerns. I understand. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> We appreciate it. >> Thank you. All right.
Think we've heard a lot of testimony today. Do we have a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve >> for you. You want to incorporate that sub subject to the >> uh yes agreed >> language? I Yes. I'd like to add to that motion that between
now and the time this gets to the board that the legal council and developers will work with our future, very future almost [laughter] county attorney to um
better [clears throat] describe in the conditions of approval and attach some sort of binding concept plan that gives an accurate picture and description of the surf park we're being sold here today.
>> John, I'll second that. But I'll also I I just want to remind people that were here that we're here speaking. I think you heard Clark hit on it a little bit that I think I heard somebody get up and say, "How can all this be done without a plan?" Um there's been a whole lot of
planning that's gone on, even talking about the the modifications and the increases and the entitlements they're here to ask for today. None of this is ever done willy-nilly. I mean, I think Clark's probably been two years they've been working on this at least this this modification. They probably have way
more than that in work with Joe Joe hit on how long it takes to get through the surf park stuff. I mean, there's been planning done to get to this point and there will be a whole lot more planning and a whole lot more eyes on this stuff moving forward. Nothing's going to just pop up and obviously cause problems
further thought. >> That's something that I don't think the public understands. This hearing is only to discuss whether we're going to give them the right to make an application to actually build this. Okay? They still have to get plan
approvals, detailed engineered plan approvals from our local government, from our state government, and if it involves waters of the United States, from the federal government. And then the other thing I want to talk about too is you come in here and you
tell us about needing to be consistent or that this is not consistent with the comprehensive plan. Yet not one person cited one comprehensive plan policy that this development is inconsistent with.
You got to do your homework if you want to come here because I want to read something to you. All right. In our comprehensive plan, these are the quasi judicial application standards of review. All right. Once the
staff recommends approval, at this point the burden shifts to the governmental board to demonstrate that maintaining the existing zon zoning classification with respect to the property or denial of the quasi judicial application accomplishes a legitimate
public purpose. In effect, the landowner's traditional remedies will be subsumed within this rule, and the board of county commissioners will now have the burden of showing that the refusal to reszone the property or the denial of the application is not arbitrary,
discriminatory, or unreasonable. You have to come up here and cite policies in this comprehensive plan that show this is not consistent. Otherwise, I'm being arbitrary, discriminatory, or unreasonable. You got to do a little bit
more homework. It's easy to grandstand in front of the TV cameras. And I got to tell you, if you got plans running for office, you're going to be really surprised when you get up to Tallahassee and understand that the Florida statutes are volumes and volumes and volumes
thick. And the Florida Administrative Code is something you'll probably never be able to read in the entirety of your life. Also, you need to be careful when you talk about amendment three because on a project like this because almost
every use that they're adding under this MPD amendment would not be homesteaded. >> So, be careful when you be talking about the impact of amendment three for this particular amendment. Can you repeat that?
>> You a couple of you got up and said you talked about how the impact of amendment three uh in relation to this project, but amendment [clears throat] three is going to be giving a large tax exemption for homesteaded property. Almost every use that they're adding
with this amendment would not be subject to homestead. It's mostly um multifamily and retail and hotel and surf park. None of that is homestead exempt. So you got to be careful when
you start talking about the impact of amendment three on these kind of uses. >> In in addition on the entitlements as far as res residential, someone made the comment about that being greatly increased here. I pulled up a letter
from Two Rivers from 2014. And back in 2014, the entitlements were 3875 dwelling units for single family residential, 1,400 multifamily and 1125
age restricted. So essentially the same same residential entitlements that we're talking about right here. >> Yeah. Yeah. In fact, one of the uses that that they're reducing, um, I think a single family retirement
>> age restricted, >> age restricted, single family is would be homestead exempt. >> Yes. >> So, it may actually be a positive what they're doing as it relates to amendment three. >> This actually may be generating more tax revenue
than their prior proposal. So, back to Jaime's. Um, you know, this has been in the works for a long time. The school system's been planning on this for a long time, and we have, at least the school system has a plan in
place to uh accommodate that. >> All right, we have a motion, I think. Right. >> Yep. >> In a second. Any further discussion of the motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying I >> I >> I opposed like sign.
>> Okay. Um could you just for the sake of everybody could just clerk >> could we both items or was that just >> Oh yeah, we need to do them one at a time. >> I'm sorry. So I think my motion the motion with the amendment I made to it
was more specific to the MPU. >> Yes, that's you're right. >> So that's number one. So that would be Mr. Chair, can we call that one to vote on P14? But I guess I can't vote on P14 before voting on P13.
>> Yes. Why don't you start over? >> I move to approve item P13. >> Second. >> All right. Uh I have a motion and a second. Any other discussion? All in favor signify
by saying I. opposed like sign. Now I move to approve item P14 subject to the developer and his legal council coordinating with the county
attorney's office to draft prior to the hearing before the board to draft conditions of approval which better describe the surf park and include some sort of binding concept.
accept plan >> second. >> All right. [clears throat] Any further discussion of the motion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Those like sign. >> Okay. Motion carries. >> Move to adjurnn.
>> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I Still got that cough, huh? >> Born and raised. God's doing it.