feels like you're way ahead in the equities until you have that correction. >> Now, if you take that dry pattern when the correction happens and buy at market lows, >> I was just telling keep your eye on TLT, there's going to be a golden opportunity to buy it here
because once he puts wars in those ratings, >> well, they're already having a meeting with defense uh the big defense contractors about how to replenish their easel missiles and stuff. They need to, you know, ramp up production, replenish that supply.
>> Let's go. All set, David. >> I'm all set. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Like to call them in the order. If you could stand for a moment of silence and the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Could we have the roll call, please? >> Dam Gerardi >> here. >> Christopher B
>> here. John Moody >> here. Matthew Muntz. >> Terry Potitz >> here. >> Chris Williams >> here. Chairman Charles >> here. and the proof of publication, please. The >> items advertised in the Tampa Bay Times
on January 21st, 2026 and February 18th, 2026 by affid mailings and site posters. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Like to welcome everybody here today. Uh we're the planning commission. We're
appointed by the board of county commissioners and we meet twice monthly. serve as a local planning agency. Uh, and we hold public hearings to transmit to the board of county commissioners our recommendations on comprehensive comprehensive plan
amendments, land development code amendments, resonings, and conditional use requests. Planning Commission is the final decision-making body for special exceptions, certain appeals, variance requests, certain alternative standard
requests. However, final decisions may be appealed to the board of county commissioners. If anyone is in opposition to any comprehensive plan amendment, amendment, land development code amendment, reasonzoning, conditional use, or any item where the planning commission makes
a recommendation to the county commission be important for you to attend the following U board of county commission meeting. Those of you who are not familiar with the format of our meetings, it's divided up into three
segments. Uh first is continuences, second is consent items and the third is the regular items. We'll go through each one. Uh, and as I
we read them off, if there's something either on continuence or consent that you would like to have heard or you're here to to discuss, please raise your hand and we'll pull it to to discuss it and it'll go on to the regular items and
those are the items that are will be fully discussed today. The applicants will have five minutes to make a presentation and the questioners will have three minutes each to come up and ask their questions or make their comments and the
applicant will have an opportunity to come back up and and try to address those concerns. Has there anybody requested extra time? >> No. Okay. Is anybody on WebEx? Okay. Uh, so this is a reminder that if you
have your cell phones with you, please check them. Make sure they're on the silent position so we don't interrupt anybody that's speaking. And before we start the regular meeting, is there anyone here to speak on any item that is not on today's agenda? >> Mr. Chair,
>> yes. We have one speech without item number. >> Okay. Who is that? >> Riddlesworth. >> Tanya Riddlesworth. >> Yeah. Please come forward. Give us your
whoever comes to speak. Uh just please when you come up give your name, your address, any item that you want to speak about. >> Okay? Then then we're going to before you say anything though, we're going to swear swear in everyone at once that
might want to speak today. So for those of you who may want to make make comment today publicly to be on the record, please stand, raise your right hand, and be sworn. All right. Thank you. So, your name and address, please.
>> Hi, my name is Tanya Riddlesworth. Uh, address is 8734 Mckendry Road. Uh, some of you know me from coming here before with concerns about Mckendry Road, and that's what I'm here for today. I also have a neighbor of mine, uh, who lives a
few houses down, um, who's just here to also say the same things as me. Um, but basically we have immediate concerns for Mckendry Road as well as future concerns for Mckendry Road. I'm sure you guys all know Mckendry Road is going to be connecting the major hospital uh John's
Hopkins on the south end with Double Branch on the north end. Um, already we have a big hockey school on Mckendry Road. We have the Pasco County Maintenance Facility on Mckendry Road. These things didn't exist 10, 20 years ago. It used to be a very, you know,
private somewhat road for the 30 or so homes on the road. Um, it's become now a somewhat major thoroughfare and it's just going to keep getting worse. Um, I know the intention is to leave it dirt right now, pave it in the future. Um, but I'd like to, you know, really figure
out a better plan for the safety of our children on these roads. Uh, with all this increased traffic, people that don't care because they're not living on the road and they drive really fast. Um, we actually had an accident right in front of our house. I think it was two
weeks ago. Um, you know, someone just flying around the corner. Um, so we have major concerns and you know, the concern right now that we can address immediately is with the traffic of the um construction. They're not supposed to use the road. They do. Um, also the
maintenance facility. They're not supposed to re use the road. They do. Uh, so what can we do to actually enforce this rule of them not supposed to use the road um so that we can a keep our children safe and b cut down on the dust and all the um other things that go
along with that on a dirt road. >> Okay. We'll uh we'll try to get some answers for that and uh if you want to speak while you're up and if you could give us your name and address and I assume you want to speak on the same item.
>> Yes. My name is Maria Martinez and uh we live on 8945 Mckendry. Um I also wanted to express that um because I live also on a curve, a ride on a curve, uh we've had quite a few accidents where cars just go right
into our property. Um and it's been a record because the police has been called. So there's record of that and they actually had cars that flipped on our property. So, it's also a very it's a safety issue. >> Um the high speeding, especially going
to that hockey school there when they're having a game or whatever they're having. Um I think they also open up a restaurant behind the school the owner did. >> Uh it's just so much traffic and the speeding. I don't know. They're in a
hurry to get in and not be laid. The kids dropping off and picking up the kids. And it's a couple of times a week. It's not just once a week or on the weekends. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Can I ask you a question? Is is the road
paved to the hockey school? >> Yes. From 52 all the way up to right after the hockey it started getting it got paved up to the uh facility. Um so >> is the issue south of where it's paved
or is it north of where it's paved? South. So did your concern is traffic is coming from the south to the hockey school. >> Yeah. They don't choose to go around. >> You need to just speak into the microphone if you're going to speak because we got to get on the record. >> Yeah. They don't choose to go around.
You know, if someone lives south of there, they're going to take Mackenzie Road going north to get to the school. And we see it. I mean, you'll see a huge line when the school gets let out of people heading south and coming out. Um they certainly don't choose to go north. You know, maybe if you live north.
>> Okay. also wanted to bring up that also there's uh school buses that go through there, at least two of them. Um, so that could be and it's not only the the high traffic and all that. It's also
the breaking down of the dirt road, you know, the uh >> Yeah, >> we call it the washboard effect or whatever the jumping like that. >> Yeah. >> So, that's not helping with that either. >> Sorry, can I say one other thing? I'm I'm curious, you know, if Mckendry Road
is the only major road that's an unimproved dirt road in Pasco County. I know there's plenty of dirt roads, but how many are there that are going to be connecting Double Branch, a major, you know, downtown that we're going to be having to a major hospital? You know, I think this is just an unprecedented
situation that needs to be addressed. You know, what are we going to do because there's going to be plenty more traffic. It's already a problem. And what are we going to do for the future? >> Okay. All right, young lady. Did you want to say something?
>> Just there for support. Huh? >> Moral support. >> Okay. Chris, what is there any issues with schools there in that area? >> Well, the hockey school is a private school. >> Yeah, but I'm talking about a public schools. Nothing. >> No, not that I'm aware. >> Transport. I mean, we may we may
transport I mean, they may pick up children on Mckendry Road, so that would be the purpose of a bus traveling that road, >> right? >> But other than that, they don't >> You got Cypress Creek across 75 from it, but it's not >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Well, um, do we have anybody here from the county that wants to address these questions? >> Would have to be somebody from planning or public works. I don't know if somebody wants to address it. >> Well, let's we're just trying to see if
we can get somebody here since this is not on the agenda. So, >> so if you want to >> David Engel, planning and economic development director. So, uh the citizens brought up a a wide variety of questions. So uh what I propose to do is
we have a wildcat bales MPUD which incorporates the uh the hospital and all the residential development. There is a road plan and there's a requirement that only local traffic can use this portion of Mckindry. There's also some vision road planning going on with uh the the
Colomar double branch project and realigning parts of Mckinry to take these houses off of alignments in certain areas to keep their road uh lowkey and more private. So, um what I'd like to do is just step out with the citizens with Nick Uren and somebody
from our MPU team and maybe we can give you some answers and then also see what's not answered and we can pursue those give get back to you. That'd be very helpful, David. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for coming. Okay. Anybody else here to speak?
>> Sure. No. No other individuals pre-registered to speak for public comment. >> Okay. All right. So, let's start the agenda then. Good afternoon, planning commission members. I'm Curt Cyverson of Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. On our
continuence agenda today, item PC1 is PTE 26 CU10, a conditional use in the name of Vesta. Conditional use for a short-term rental in an MF1 multiple family medium density district in southeast Pasco County
approximately 160 ft east of the intersection of Saddlebrook Way in Vesta Court. This is coming with a request to continue the item to the April 9th, 2026 planning commission meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Date City. >> All right. Is there anyone here uh to
object or is the applicant present? >> Is the applicant present? Anyone here to object? Okay. Thank uh Mr. Chair, item PC9 is on our regular agenda. However, the applicant has
requested a continuence to the April 9th planning commission meeting. I'm asking that we move PC9 from the regular agenda to the continuence agenda. Okay. The applicant for P9
uh present. >> It's Barbara. >> Yeah. Anyone here to object, >> Mr. Chair? Since that one was not advertised as a continuence, you need to see if there's anybody here that can't be here on the continuence date. >> So, the continuence date is April the
9th. Is there anyone here to speak on this item that can't be here on uh April the 9th? You'd have an opportunity to speak today if you don't. Okay. I don't see anyone. So, those the only two continuence items?
>> Yes, sir. Do you uh David, would you like me to read in item PC9? >> You don't need to. >> Okay. So, do we have a motion? >> Move to continue PC1 and PC9 to April 9th, date city. >> Second.
>> Okay, we have a motion to second. Further discussion. All in favor of the motion signify by saying I. >> I. >> Post like sign. >> All right. Very good. Moving to our consent agenda. Item PC2
is PTE 267896. A zoning amendment in the name of RZ-7896 drift 11939 MS LLC. Change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district and a
C2 general commercial district to a C2 general commercial district in central Pasco County. southwest corner of the intersection of MS Cemetery Road and Warden Road containing approximately 5.59 acres. This is coming with the recommendation of approval to the board
of county commissioners of the requested zoning amendment. >> All right. Is the applicant present? >> You want to object? >> Okay. Next >> item PC3 is PDE 267910,
a zoning amendment in the name of Ronald W. Ripple and Donald W. Ripple. The Ripple project, a change in zoning from an AC agricultural district to an AR-5 agricultural residential district located in northeast Pasco County,
approximately 2,200 ft south of Bllandon Road and west of Packing House Road containing approximately 12.72 acres. This is coming with the recommendation of approval to the board of county commissioners of the requested zoning amendment.
>> All right. Is the applicant present? Anyone here to object? See no one. All right. Next item PC4. We do have individuals
registered to speak on this item. Item PC4 is also a companion item of items PC7 and PC8. All of which have individuals registered to speak. We ask that these three items are moved to the regular agenda for one presentation
in PCA. You said >> 47 and 8. Okay. Is applicant present? Anyone here to object? >> Well, it sounds like there is people here to object. >> And Barbara, you have all three of
those. >> Huh? >> Slow in the draw today. Okay. The next item on consent is item PC5 PTE 267889. A zoning amendment in the name of Curly
and 54 commercial and PUD by Kimberly Anne How of Meridian ARP Meridian. a resoning request from an AR agricultural residential district to an MPUD master plan unit development district to allow for the development of
58,250 square ft of commercial retail or office and associated infrastructure on approximately 4.91 acres located at the northeast corner of the intersection of Kurley Road and County Road 54 in South Central Pasco County. This is coming
with the recommendation of approval to the board of county commissioners of the proposed zoning amendment request with conditions. >> Okay. Is the applicant present here? You want to object? Okay.
The next item is item PC6 PTE 260026. You will be sitting as the local planning agency for a comprehensive plan amendment CPASS25 parenthesis 14 Bellamy Brothers Boulevard at SR52 property providing for
a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 13 changing from IL industrial light to comm approximately 1.51 acres of real property located on the southeast corner of the intersection of state road 52 and
Bellamy Brothers Boulevard. This is coming with the recommendation that you find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the board of county commissioners. >> All right. Is the applicant present? >> Anyone here to object?
Okay. All right. So, do I have a motion on the consent items? >> Move to approve the consent agenda consisting of items PC2, PC3, PC5, and
PC6. >> Second. Have a motion and a second, I believe. And uh any further discussion on the motion? >> If not, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I post like sign.
Okay, good there. Ready to move on. >> Beginning on the regular agenda is item PC4. This is PTE 267872, a zoning amendment in the name of Kenton Road commercial to be presented by
staff. Good afternoon. Gavin Kobe plane development and economic growth. Uh this is PTE 267872, the Kinton Road commercial imped. So the proposal is a resoning request from AC agricultural to an MPUD master
plan unit development district. And this is to develop 110,000 square feet of non-residential entitlements and 120 hotel rooms at the northwest corner of the intersection of Kenton Road and Elum Road. Here's a location map within the county.
Here is a location map within connected city. As you can see in the red star, it's within the community hub. Community hub uh within the comp plan is defined by medium density and intensity, a mix of uses that support recreation, cultural destinations and education facilities as well as mixeduse areas
serving as neighborhood centers. Here is the aerial of the site. Here's the current zoning of the site which is AC. And then here is the current master plan. You can see that it's divided into three distinct sections, area A, B, and
C. All these areas allow for commercial and retail development uh with a couple special um provisions within area A on the left hand side and then area B within the center. Area A's uh contains an additional self- storage facility
use. Um that also contains architectural renderings that are required to be submitted prior to site plan. um and follow section uh 1100 for the self- storage facility um requirements as well as 5,000 square ft of uh
vertical integrated uses as well on the bottom floor for the self- storage facility. And then on parcels or in areas B and C, which are the parcels in the middle and to the right, uh we have designed some non-residential form
standards to to put all the non-residential uses onto a social gathering space. Uh an example of what we wanted to to see here is similar to the hub at Beexley or Lexington Oaks where you have a center uh park space
with commercial uh fronting onto that. So is a little bit better informed than a standard commercial strip plaza. Uh here's the context map for you. You can see the subject site in orange and the surrounding impudes with the prillly
Ellis Eper and Eper impudes. You can also see that I've highlighted the missing Kenton segment. Uh this segment uh the developer has agreed to construct from Elim Kenton from Elum down to overpass inclusive of intersection improvements and
signalization for cash reimbursement. and they're required to submit a development agreement within 180 days to to get those terms and conditions figured out for the reimbursement. >> They do have two LDC variations that they're requesting. One from section
522.9R 5, table 522.9 R-3. And this is to reduce the parking ratio for self-s storage facilities from one parking space per 300 square feet of office plus one space per 1,000 square feet of storage area to a maximum of
five spaces. What we found was that the connected city parking standards were were asking for more parking than what the standard county uh parking ratio was. So we just deferred to the standard parking ratio. And then section 805.6D 6D to convey wetland areas to a
community development to not convey wetland areas to a community development district for maintenance or property owners association if the parcel remains under single ownership. We expect again this parcel to remain under single ownership and they will be the maintenance entity for all the wetlands and common areas.
So this is coming uh with a recommendation of approval to the board of county commissioners of the proposed zoning amendment request with conditions. >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions? No. >> Okay. Thank you very much.
>> If you would like, I can also do the other uh DAS that are in this area that are also building Kenton Road for the applicant or I can uh get out of the way if you'd like. >> Is it the same applicant? >> Uh different applicant. Clark is the one
representing the two DAs and Barbara is representing this project. >> Okay. I I'm not really comfortable with you opening up public hearings on both unless the applicants agree to that because it's two different applicants. So I don't >> I have my own. >> Okay.
>> It's the way he is, you know. >> Yeah. >> Doesn't play nicely in the sandbox. Barberville will height 6327 Grand Boulevard for the applicant. I did put together a PowerPoint because I really wanted to show you all and and
any of the public that's interested the amount of work that we did because it is in connected city and it is in the community hub. I think the client's been counting. This is like 15th meeting. We met with commissioners twice to get their input. Met with staff a bunch of times and so we've done a lot of work on it. So, I wanted to to show you kind of
what we've come up with to expand on what Gavin presented. We've got design enhancement, transportation enhancements. We we go through and tell you about the community hub vision and consistency with the comp plan. I won't bore you with all that detail unless um unless needed.
>> We have just clarify are you representing four and eight? >> I'm just number four. >> Just number four. Okay. >> Mr. hobby. This the separate guy over there wants to do his own. >> We have not opened up the public hearing on number seven or eight yet.
>> Right. And the reason why staff wants to present that to you is staff just wants to give you the full picture >> um of what's going on in this area because we actually have just like I said we did a lot of planning work on this. The fact that we have transportation improvements to answer that question, what's going on with the
roads is pretty cool because a lot of times we don't we have the answer of our analysis showed this. We're going to do this turn lane, but this one actually has a picture of what's going to happen to Kenton um both north of this including adjacent as well as south of this project. What we did here is we
broke ourselves into three areas of of development trying to to figure out how to um put forth restrictions on form when you don't have any users. It's kind of fun. >> So you can't do a concept plan because you don't have the users yet, but you want to really have your you have a good
feeling of what the form is going to be, especially because this is in community hub and the SC social gathering area is important to the community hub um portion of the connected city. So, we agreed to some interesting things in in areas C and B. Again, the staff
said, you know, we want you to be like the hub. And I said, what makes the hub the way it is? Well, it's restaurants, cafes, coffee. So, we said, for the first two years in these two areas, we'll limit ourselves. We can't develop anything else other than restaurants and
cafes and bars and fast casual uses. um for both C and B. We said no drive-throughs, freestanding drive-throughs are prohibited. Again, we're trying to make this a place for community hub for the community there. Self- storage. Um Gavin went through these things. We have our enhanced
street facing facades, maximum of three acres. It was important to the county that they knew what that footprint was going to be and what the remainder of the footprint of the property was going to be. We did vertical integration. You've heard about the social social gathering area a couple times.
Pedestrian connectivity was important. Building orientation um is important. We both we talked about, you know, how do our buildings orient to the roads? How they orient to the social gathering area? Where can you park? Where can't you park? So, those are the details that
you're seeing here. Transportation enhancements. Obviously, staff is going to explain to you and and Mr. hobby regarding their items on seven and eight. But from our perspective, if you look at our conditions, Kenton Road from Elon North to our our access on on
um Kenton has to be improved by us or others um prior to us building. We have to do a proportionate share contribution for the signal at Kenton Road and Elam. So when we you've heard that the client is going to do that segment, they call it the missing segment of Kenton between
Elam and Overpass. staff was very clear. We're going to cash reimburse for that, but not for your prop share of the signal. So, that is on the the client's dime. And as you can what I just said, we're going to we're going to do that portion that missing segment of Kenton.
>> So, you won't start construction until that's done. >> We won't start construction until nor this the north of Elam improvement is done. we are how we align with the community vision because I know this has been important to planning commission to make sure that we're actually paying
attention to connected city and that staff is doing it and we did the same thing. We've got our commercial retail components our neighborhood serving mix of uses. We're providing that convenience employment and essential services. When you look at how connected city is building out in context this is
a natural neighborhood commercial serving location. Um, but we also wanted to make sure it was something special. We've got pedestrian orientation, interconnected setting, and we have we have a hotel as one of our
uses. Consistency with the comp plan. I could read all that to you, but I think you'd throw me out the door if I did all that. But just wanted to show you the attention to detail and making sure that we looked at every one of those policies. And again, just going through the
highlights. We have our hotel, office, retail, commercial. We do have storage because it's needed and there's a lot of rooftops, but we were very careful about doing vertical integration. We're and doing how it looks so that it fits as opposed to being the only thing we do.
It's actually more about the vertical integration and more secondary about the fact that we're also actually actually able to accomplish storage which is going to be needed um for all those rooftops and the attention to our social gathering area. Thank you. Very good.
Any questions from up here? Nothing. Okay. All right. Uh, public comment. >> The first individual signed up to speak on item PC4 is Mr. Phil S. you'd state your name and address,
please. >> Philip Singleary, 8723 Kenton Road. Thank you. >> Um, I feel like we've been not included in this mass
community center that you have. I live on Kenton Road. It's a private road. Half mile from uh Elim Road North is private. It's pretty much a onelane road most of the time.
The property in question right now is at the corner of Elim and Kenton. It's 10 acres. It's at the very highest point of that road. During the rainy season, hurricanes, it's a dirt road. It washes out. Typical. The neighbors on the road.
We all pitch in and we fix the road. It's fine. You put in 10 acres of concrete, asphalt, more cars, more runoff, more water.
It's just going to devastate everybody that lives down the road. As for the hotel, they're saying that it's for the new hospital. Across the interstate from the new hospital, there's a
community thing going on. There's supposed to be a hotel going up in there within walking distance to the hospital. They have hotels down on Old Pasco Road. They're building hotels on 52. They're building new self-contained
areas, storage facilities on 52. They have multiple ones on 54. Why we need another one, I don't know. It's my concern that this is just the beginning because when we talked to about uh a prey later, my issues are
going to be the same. You guys are going to raise the elevation of this property and the water has to go somewhere and it's going to end up probably in our front yards washing out our roads.
We just like to be a part of the plan. We act like we're just not being everything in your plan consists of new development and new people coming in. What about the people that have been here for 50 years? Where do they stand?
That's my question. Thank you. >> Are you Are you saying that the developer has refused to meet with you about the development? >> All they they're fine to talk. That's all they do is talk. We're supposed to have access to parks, you know, all the
things that we have or they have. I mean, this hotel that you're going to put up at the corner, are we going to have access to their pool? No. Do we have access to their playgrounds in Eper and Canon Ranch? No. This is all private. There's no community here.
So, the people that have been here a long time, we're just getting tired of being squeezed. Pretty much it. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Who's next to speak?
>> The next individual is Michael P. >> Michael who? He >> the parks guy. >> The parks guy. >> The parks guy. >> Parks guy. >> Hey, Michael Portoric. 9152 Kenton Road, Wesley Chapel,
Florida 33545. So, I brought the original transportation master plans because what I wanted to point out was these roads we're talking about aren't even listed to be done in the 2030 plan. the the next one's coming up and we've already
approved it's gone out of here to the county commission. We've already approved all of the developments in this area that are on the 2040 plan. So, I'm glad that the missing road that was an issue five six years ago when we
met each other is being addressed. It absolutely needs a signal there. So, I'm happy that's happening. The problem is this is the community hub and I keep hearing two words parks and staff. Well, parks, everything has been reszoned.
There is no district park. There is no large community parks. It's been flushed down the toilet. All of the impact fees from this entire area, Eperson, Marada, everything in between was moved out to Pasadena. That park's not going to be
what was promised and it's 10 miles away from these residents. We still don't have the community district park pencled in. The other issue is a self storage unit. In the fine details in the application, it also says on the
first floor that it will have 30 foot wide by 60 foot deep storage units. Well, that sounds like a roundabout for people to run businesses out of. The community hub is not meant for people to move their sprinkler companies or move
their businesses into because storage units and hotels have their defined area in the connected city for those developments. It's the innovation zones and it's the business district. I have the comp plan. I have the comp plan
amendment. I'm happy to read it again and put it on the record if you'd like, but hotels and storage units are not part of the purpose or intent of the community hub within the connected city. There's a place for this and it's on
State Road 52. If you're going to say you're going to put in crates or some restaurants, some cafes, that's a social gathering place. Fantastic. A hotel is not supposed to go in the community hub. This is going to be on a two-lane residential road. And
I'm I can't imagine any of you gentlemen would vote to approve a storage unit being put on your residential street. Those businesses need to be up on the state road where there's adequate lanes of traffic, where there's adequate safety for everybody getting in and out.
And this is absolutely uncalled for in this area of the connected city. This is supposed to be about families, a place where the whole connected city comes together. It's the central portion of the whole thing.
>> Go ahead. >> This does not meet the comp plan on any level even though the uh LDC gets quoted up there. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you for coming. Any questions? >> Okay. It it may be helpful though if
Steph could put up the that map of connected city just so we can reference it as we're going through. >> Who's next on the agenda >> from the presentation? >> Who's next? >> Mr. Chair, the next individual is Miss
Michelle B. Hi everyone. >> Hi. >> Um, I'm Michelle Briquette. Um, my mom lives at 8747 Kenton Road. I've lived there my whole life with her on the 10 acres. And what I would like to say is
I don't want to be involved in any of this, the whole hub deal. All I want is us just to have a road back to way it used to be where we didn't have traffic from the south side and the north side and all this other stuff that's going on around us. When you're going to put a
hotel at where everybody has 10 acre lots, it's out in the middle of nowhere. It's nowhere even close to a hospital. My daughter when she was in an accident back in 2021, we tried to find a hospital at All Children's Hospital. We tried to find a good hotel for us to
stay at. Everyone that was near a hospital was awful. I hate to say that, but it was. We had to travel really, really, really far to find a good one because all it attracted was transients, people that couldn't afford a nice hotel. So, I'm afraid what's going to
happen is this hotel is going to end up being like one of those. And then guess what? We're going to have people coming down Kenton Road being nosy like they already do already with their fourers, their side by sides, um coming from the hockey place. You name it, we're getting it from both ends. Then you have this
storage unit. Well, the storage unit's going to add more people to it. Transient people that just want to kind of hang around. And then you have another section of it that we don't know what's going to exactly go do in the other section. Y'all have it open for other things. We don't know what's going to happen with that either. I mean, this
is like out in the middle of nowhere. I I just don't understand why this is going to blend. It doesn't blend. I don't care about the pool. Phil had a good point, but I don't care about the pool and all that stuff. I just want my 10 our 10 acres back to our private. I
want it cut at the end of Elim Road and I want it cut at the other end of Kenton Road because the first half is 11 10 or 11 people that live there. We just want our peace. We don't want to be involved in connected city. We just want to come into our house, enjoy some peace, and
then go out into the craziness that we do every day. So, that's all we're asking. You know, y'all are supposed to be here to help us and be here for us and speak for us. We're trying to keep telling you what's going on and nobody's listening and it's just it's just terrible. That's all I
have to say. And I got more to come, but everybody else is doing really good, too. Mike and Phil. So, >> where are you on that map, please? >> I am on Elim Road. I am on the um I just had a brain fart on the um south side. I'm at the end where all this corner is.
I'm halfway down the hill. Mr. Williams actually knows where I live and how bad this road is. And when the other comment, I got 27 seconds. And the other comment about how bad the road gets when it gets fixed. And we all pitch in to fix it. Okay. Our portion when it rains.
Oh, it's awful. Ask him. He knows. He thought he's got lost a couple times, fall into a hole. Um I mean, it's just really, really bad. And when you elevate it, like Mr. Phil said, it's going to be even worse. I mean, we're gonna We already have a dish that goes across there. So, it's just you're adding more
to the chaos. Thank you. I appreciate it. >> Oh, that's okay. Uh, any questions up here? >> Okay. Thank you very much. Next, >> Mr. Chair, the last individual pre-register to speak on item PC4 is
Miss Jennifer McCarthy. You just have your name, Jennifer, and address, please. >> Sure. Jennifer McCarthy, 8819 Kenton Road. So, I obviously live next to um the
Single Taries and EUS, and we all have the same concerns, and we've been voicing the same concerns since 2014. Um, so I nothing has been done. Um, so particularly with this development, I have questions about how the hotel and storage unit fit in as far as a
community hub. Um, I was told by Ernie Monaco, by Matt Armstrong, by all these long-term developers that have since left Pasco County when this was being, you know, talked about between when they, what they were there, what, 2014 to 2020,9 is when Ernie left is that
there would be buffers. There would be a step down. We are not putting commercial next to your all's residential property. So, there's we're on Kenton Road here. There's 10 10acre parcels. So, this is the first one. They said you don't have to worry about a gas station coming next to you. Well, here we go. We have a open
I don't see anything saying that a gas station couldn't go in that first spot, but here that's here nor there. But you still have a storage unit and a hotel going. So I I the buffering and the step down that was promised. What is here is
is it's not done and it's not enough. Um I also have concerns about water runoff. I I again this is at the top of Kenton Road. The water is going to go somewhere if they direct it into the conservation behind. It comes up behind our property
eventually makes it into the well over by where is that behind old Pasco floods there and then floods uh the East Padet. So everything that flooded two years ago with the, you know, 500year event, this things like this property help will, if
it's all paved over and and not properly mitigated, is going to um make it worse, not just in our vicinity, but in all of Pasco County that was dealing with this a couple years ago. Um, I also a couple of questions. I
don't see the max height of the buildings that's promised. And also in PC4 it says that they're going to emp but on her thing it says CCM Empud. Um so I do think that that's different. And last, or not last, but until my time
runs out here, the sign was put up and then uh two weeks before the original meeting on February 5th, and I'm sure it was advertised in the the art in the newspaper, and then it was continued with no notice other than somebody actively going on to the agenda sheet,
and then there was nothing else on the sign. So there's nothing on the sign saying, "Hey, now this has been moved on to this meeting." So, this is what has been happening over the past 12 years now is we've been chasing dates. And if y'all think it's easy to find agenda dates other than in going individually
through the pass planning commission, it's very difficult for residents to find this information. I don't understand why the sign wasn't updated. I don't understand why they applied when I feel like in situations like this, they almost knew that they were just going to immediately continue it so that
residents would go out of their way to make plans, which I did. and then have to now do this a month later. It's very difficult. It's very difficult, right? I I just would question, hey, we're we put up this sign and then 5 days later we're continuing it. Why isn't something
posted on there to say here's the new date? Because people driving down are are not doing this. It should be easy for the residents to come in here and talk. So, I feel very strongly about this. I've been chasing dates on signs for 12 years. It's super convenient, but if they're not updated, they're meaningless. So, I I question whether
there is they should be updating these because there's been some talk that they should be updating them, not just putting another thing in the Tampa Bay Times that nobody has access to or easily. I don't know. It's not easy. I'm I'm I I
always feel like I can find things and this is very difficult for me every single time to chase these dates. So, thank you. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate you coming. I know there's some discussions of improvements for the website, being able to get some of the stuff online that was
posted paper. So, I don't know if Mr. Engel could comment to that. >> A long walk to tell you. I can't comment. Um >> but um we do have a procedure. Um, Patty
uh handles our advertising and uh I'm not the uh subject matter expert. Amy, could you um maybe come up here and ask some questions about signposting with the procedure? >> Well, not just that. I know that um we've had some discussion at these
hearings in the past about some um additional improvements that the staff was looking to implement to um be able to provide notice online, you know, through either social media or through website postings, things like that. >> Correct. Yes. So, we are working on
updating the development review manual to make sure it's clear on how to process um and post signage and we will be adding a conditional or a request, excuse me, um as part of that portion of
the development review manual. We're just working on updating that right now on various elements of that that document. >> Right. And it's >> but there was the questions about when we intend to move from newspaper advertisements to website
advertisements. >> The column >> or at least in addition to >> so uh column is currently under review uh through the legal provisions. Terry can >> speak to a little bit more. >> Yeah. >> Just to be more clear is playing development economic growth. So, Column
is a vendor that the county is working with to post our public hearing notices online. A uh right now where it stands as the preliminary contract is with the column attorneys currently under review by them. We're hoping to see that pretty soon. Um we keep pestering them uh week
by week, month to month. Uh, and we're sort of at the mercy of Colum getting back to us before we can look at the changes that they want to make, if they want to make any, uh, and send them send it forward to our purchasing department and then to the county attorney's office. >> Oh, how come not on the county's
website? >> I'm sorry. >> Why not on the county's website? >> It will be a component of the county website, right? >> That is the goal is to move all of the newspaper advertisements to the county's website. I'm not understanding why we need an
outside vendor to do that, but >> I'll let Mr. PTOs explain that. Is it gerine to the subject? Um there are there's significant logistics involved associated with identifying the dates for projects and how to move
forward with them and the juggling of that. Uh part of the rationale for going to an outside vendor is so that the developers can interact directly through that platform that they provide to us and uh make their postings accordingly without necessarily having county staff
be middlemen. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I just wanted to address the the last uh person who came up to speak because I knew that was something we discussed and uh you know I tend to agree with her. It's sometimes difficult to keep up with the continuences and and all that. We want to make sure everybody
has a chance to come here and speak. They have to take off work in order to get here in the middle of the day a lot of times. So, >> right, I would just say that um as it relates to continuences, um there are continuences when applicants are requesting them because they learn about
certain issues that the community has and so they want to be able to address them before they actually make presentation to the planning commission or the board. Then there are other times where uh the county requests continuences because the project is not ready to proceed. Uh at least as we see
it based on the review um we decide that this needs a little bit more time before it goes to the public for public discourse. >> Yeah. And I understand where a lot of things may be last minute, but that's where the online posting would come in pretty handy to be able to get that information out quickly to the public.
>> Thank you. Right. Anybody else on our list? >> No, Mr. Chair, >> is there anybody that would like to speak to this that hasn't had an opportunity? Okay.
I don't see anyone. Barbara, you want to address this questions concerns? So, I took good notes and Bruce Landis is going to talk about uh storm water and drainage. But with regard to road improvements,
the road improvements are coming. You've got our commitment, our client's commitment to do the missing segment. You've got two DAs on so and there it's not going to stay like it is. There's a lot of homes improved in this area. There is road improve massive
road improvements. Four-lane, you know, it's it's it's changing. It's part of the connected city master plan. That was a master planning effort that that had a lot of participation in it. The community hub we absolutely fit.
When when you look at connected city, there's a list of there's a there's guidance and then there's prohibited uses and hotels not prohibited, commercial is not prohibited because all those things are actually neighborhood serving. We um
this I'm not sure the confusion about storage. It's storage with firstf flooror retail. And we were trying to make sure we were very specific to make sure that we actually achieved the first first floor retail. It's not first floor storage. It's not for contractors and it's actual for commercial retail uses.
So, I'm not sure where that concern comes in. Um, so there won't be businesses other than commercial retail businesses operating on the first floor of the storage facility. Again, storage is needed. It's
absolutely needed. The commercial uses and proximity to where these homes are. If you look to the south, there's there's just a lot of homes. And having commercial and proximity, so you don't have to drive all the way to 52 is something the county encourages and actually kind of demands.
I understand. I can hear the neighbors because it's changing and they want it back the way it the way it's going to be. There's already been a lot approved and this is just going to this complements what's already been decided and already been approved pursuant to the connected city master plan. The concern regarding gas station. We
actually have a whole list of prohibited uses. Convenience store with gas, standalone car washes, vehicle sales, plumbing, electrical, mechanical, welding, machine, sheet metal, trade shops, boat and RV storage, vehicle equipment garage, auto service, lumber, lumber
yards, standalone lawn lawn mower or small equipment sales. I know Mr. Booty loves that one. um standalone outdoor pottery, propane, septic tank, sod sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sal sales, shooting archery ranges, solar power collection facility, automobile towing and collection facility. So we were
thoughtful of the fact that we are in the in the middle of a community and and what we can and can't do here even to the fact that we can't have a standalone um uh drive-thru. So no McDonald's, no Wendy's. So, we were thoughtful of of where we
where we are in comm community hub and paid a lot of attention to the fact of where we're at when we agreed to all the design parameters and all the things we can and cannot do with that and the answer on maximum height is five stories. Um, I just checked the MPD plan with that. I heard
drainage and storm water and concerns regarding that. So, I'd like for Bruce Landis to come up and talk to you a little bit about that. Can before you do that, you said you didn't want to bore us with the slide on how this complied with the comprehensive plan.
>> Yes. >> Since there are objectors, can we go through what that argument is? >> Sure. >> And then can I ask you to add Pawn Shop with Outside Junk Display to that list too? So Terry, put that on your list of band
>> band uses, too. >> Pawn shops. >> You know, we seem to have we seem to have a problem with all the we seem to have a problem with all the lawnmower shops, but yet every day on my way to work, I pass 20 pawn shops with nothing but junk bicycles, junk lawnmowers, junk
pressure washers. >> My clients are agreeing to add that to the prohibited list. if you would do that. >> But then you get the guy dancing with the sign in the front, you know. >> I know that's on the illegal uh boat dealership on 52 too. The code
enforcement doesn't want to deal with. >> So you can see these policies incorporate the location of public spaces um pedestrian bicycle networks to create create safe and convenient access. Encourage a mix of mix of land uses.
look at building and site design public elements that frame and activate the streets and the public spaces. Our social gathering area is exactly that. Provide provide mixeduse areas within all connected city special planning areas. So that's something that you'll
see when you look at the comp plan. You'll see that there's prohibited uses and then they're specific that they're encouraged to have mixed use, have a mixture of uses. That's exactly what we're doing for community hub is we're adding the locally serving commercial
because that's something that community hub doesn't have to date. What's been approved to date collocation of uses that we're complenting each other. We've spent a lot of time on that by the fact that all the things that we can't do
encouraging beneficial use of of a mix of uses that's compatible in form and character to the surrounding neighborhoods or the immediate context. You can't and you can't look because this is connected city. You have to look at what it's approved for and what's already been approved. We actually are
fitting into the connected city future as opposed to connected city how it looks today. And I know that's hard because the area is changing. Allow business and employment opportunities and all connected city special planning area zones. Build a built environment that optimizes
the opportunities for walking and building. We're doing walking, biking, and and gathering through the way that we're laying out our non-residential uses. Create authentic social gathering spaces
integrated into neighborhoods and employment areas strategically located a comfortable walking distance would not be a comfortable walking distance to State Road 52. Connect through safe and com comfortable pedestrian bicycle neighborhood vehicle
links. All of your roads are designed in connected city with all of those things in mind. When they're improved, they'll be improved so that you do have neighborhood vehicle links and you do have bike and pedestrian facilities. Develop mixeduse areas that employ a
combination of land use and design strategies that create a vibrant attractive destinations to provide a variety of social gathering spaces. We have done that here. We spent a lot of time doing that actually. Land development code shall mandate with all all connected city redevelopment
efforts the need to locate complimentary uses in close proximity to each other to provide walking, biking, neighborhood vehicles and transit opportunities. We are absolutely located in the perfect location to provide that for the communities that are being built around >> there. any kind of
graphic or rendering that shows what the the concept for the gathering space. One of the problems we've had in the past with connected city and the complaints from the residents is they've they've picked apart
what the vision was for each of those areas of connected city. And we spent a lot of time in previous public hearing about that. And I I hear staff, it sounds like you've attempted to integrate social gathering
cultural value into the development, but and I understand why you don't want to provide a cons a binding concept plan for a commercial property because you don't know who your users are. But I think it would be helpful if we could
kind of if you could show the public what you have in mind for the community gathering space. I think that would help make the sale, so to speak. Right now, I'm looking at just a big beige rectangle that says I'm going to put a
hotel here and I'm going to put commercial here. And I'm told there's going to be a social gathering space, but I don't know where it is, what it looks like. I think that would be helpful. I'm not asking you to submit a binding plan, but is there some kind of vision you can
show us so we have an idea of what it is we're talking about. >> The problem with doing >> I don't know whether that means >> I don't know what that means. >> Is it a one table in the middle of a coffee shop and a doughut shop or you know is this a big
fountain? Is this a park? What What is this? So, I can't show you something because I'd be showing you something that I don't know that I can do and I'll never do that. But I can tell you that we spent a lot of time writing restrictions on how buildings orient. They have to
orient both in B and CF. They have to orient to the social a social gathering area. No parking in between those buildings and the social gathering area. So, you can already see it starting to form if you think about what that means.
Buildings, no parking in between. If we have a hotel use, we can have one row of parking in between the social gathering area. But on the in A, excuse me, in C, no parking between our retail buildings and our social
>> area or anything defined for this or >> it it is hard to do it at zoning. So what we did is put all the things that will set up the form and ultimately staff has to approve it as meeting the intent of all the requirements. >> Okay. So the difficulty that I'm having
with that is someone can come in and put up buildings and leave 10 square fa 10 square feet and say that's my social gathering area and you'll say look I've met the intent of the code and Mr. Ptoric will be back up here going, "What in the hell did you guys approve up
here?" It would be helpful if there could be some basic standards, dimensional standards or form standards for that. I get what you're saying, but I don't feel like there's enough
defined requirement for that space. And that's been one of the the big points of contention with the public that objects to what's going on in connected city out here. And I think it would be helpful if there was some kind of visual as to
what the intent is there. I'm not asking you to commit to a final design, but at least you know I'll make it a thousand square feet or 10,000 square feet or maybe the intent is 10 square feet. I don't know. But I don't know what that is right now.
All I can tell you is that there's a whole list of of requirements on how we do this and there's many different ways it'll be done depending on who the users are. So I don't know what more I can do other than put all these restrictions on
even down to the use. We have to have we can't put anything in there but restaurants and cafes. We have to provide and orient to an actual social gathering area in our buildings. We can't have parking in between. I mean, it's it is there's nothing else like this. I haven't written this ever before. My clients are
like, "Oh my god." Um because we don't have, you know, all these restrictions, but it's um the conditions are pretty robust, but you just can't put forth a concept plan of something that we don't know we're going to do because there's a there's a million different
configurations depending on who the users are. >> Okay? And ultimately it'll be up to the staff to say whether we've met the social gathering area requirements of the comprehensive plan. We have to be consistent with the comprehensive plan through every every phase whether it's
>> I don't mean to sound argumentative to you or to your to your client. But you're telling us we need to rely on the staff to to enforce those provisions when we've had testimony for hours from the public
about how the entire design of this community hub area doesn't even meet the the stated intent in the connected city master plan. Well, my project does >> would be I'm saying it would be a lot easier to make the decision if there was
some visual attached to that. >> And we talked about that. We talked about with staff, you know, I just I have never wanted to bring something forward and show you something that's not going to be. So, and neighbors get noticed when plans are done, signs go up,
properties noticed when our plans come in. they have every opportunity to participate then >> and again we have to be consistent with the comp plan all the way through. Well, >> again, I don't mean to be overargumentative, but at the time of site plan, the public has absolutely zero rights at that point. They get a
notice, that's it. They have zero right of redress over a site plan at that point. >> But make sure that these conditions are >> the redress is here at the zoning zoning. >> Yeah. even if it was an exhibit that was added to um the connected city
documentation, you know, saying here's a few examples of what a common area would be or you know, even if it's not something that's binding, at least if there's some concepts that we can say, you know, it's at least this many square feet, it has these kind of features that that sort of thing. So that's again more
directed at staff than than you guys. I understand what you're working on. >> A social gathering space is just a very nebulous term. Again, it could be a 10 square foot area of grass for your dog to pee on. >> Yeah. >> Well, your code the code spells out what you have to do for a social gathering.
You got to remember this connected city has been implemented in the code. So, we're following the code exceeding the code, >> but there's actually a land development code for this area. So, there's all all the details are in that land development code. There's a connected city land development code. But so I just I just need to know what you all want to do
because I don't have today I don't have any examples because I don't have any users. Um well is there something in the code that illustrates what this is supposed to look like? Staff, how does the staff decide on what's a
social gathering space or what what constitutes that? The social gathering area is a common area in a commercial node that is not attributable to one specific tenant or user. So, it's an area that uh is
available to the public for mixed gatherings without being associated to a specific business. And it's usually central or in to the commercial pod. Way to nail it down. >> William Vermillion playing development economic growth. Let me see if I can fit this big laptop up here. The county
refuses to get me a smaller one. >> So, in the >> green space, >> one day you'll appreciate that when you need these. >> Keeping me strong, though. It's pretty heavy. So, in the in the connected city land development code, there is a specific section that speaks to what
social gathering spaces are when that word is referenced, right? When that word is referenced throughout the comp plan, what is a social gathering space? The land development code has uh >> I don't know if it'll be easier for me to read this to you. There's three paragraphs or if Patty could share it on
the screen if that'd be easier. Would you like me to read it? >> Do both. I'll I'll begin to read as Patty pulls it up. >> Yeah, that's good. >> It it speaks to the requirements of an application to show this to generally describe the location and the type of
space that will be integrated into the design of the projects. These spaces shall be and then there's three different bullet points for what these spaces should be. The first is accessible by at least two of the following. Automobile, neighborhood vehic neighborhood vehicle, bicycle or
foot. So it the first bullet speaks to the the accessibility of the social gathering space by at least two different transportation methods. The second talks about public or private establishments included but not limited to parks, schools, libraries, cafes, and
bookstores. So I believe the the commercial retail component we spoke about cafes, bars, and restaurants. They're hitting that second bullet point of social gathering space. And the third is that it's encouraged to be colllocated with civic
space like schools or libraries. So it's not a public open space. If I'm understanding you correctly, this can constitute a cafe, a bookstore. >> Well, a ca a cafe would make up a
portion of the periphery of the social gathering space. So, in the the conditions of approval, we did more nailed down even more specifically than the land development code, the use of um of flex lawns and different kinds of plings and public art that actually
inhabit the overall space. >> Can you go over what those are? >> The the conditions of approval. I actually have them up on my other screen. So that includes flex lawn space, landscape beds with public seating,
fountains, or public art facilities. >> That's you're you've answered the question now. That's what I was missing. >> Yes, sir. Can you speak to um you may may not know the answer to this question, but something else we've discussed when we've discussed uh connected city
projects is as these projects start to infill into connected city. Um, we were discussing kind of having a overview of some of the things that have been approved uh in order to try to get an
idea of what is truly cohesive with other projects that have been approved nearby. And we we discussed, you know, trying to put together some sort of a map or some sort of a general overview of all of connected city to see, you know, that way we don't end up with a hodgepodge. um you know because
obviously these infill projects are coming uh peace meal and so but we need to make sure it's a part of the cohesive plan. So is there anything been been done on that since the last time we talked about it this meeting? >> Yes sir. So the the first portion of of
what staff did in addressing that uh that concern was we first looked at I believe that the first question asked of us both by the planning commission and the board of county commissioners was getting to the bottom of the single family entitlement discussion as especially as it pertained to land use within connected city. So the first step
that the staff did was uh through GIS uh we tracked the amount of single family entitlements that had been issued, the amount that had been built and the allowable uh developable acreage left to fit the amount of entitlements that had been entitled but hadn't been used by a
builder yet to see if there was enough developable acreage with the amount of entitlements to build out those single family uh units. So, we we got to the bottom of that and I believe it was last year uh Metro and myself and PTE, we gave those findings to the board of
county commissioners finding there there is in fact single family entitlements that weren't used by some of the larger land groups that had grabbed up those entitlements and that that could ostensibly be used in other portions of connected city where single family land use pattern may be more acceptable. So
that that was our that was our first step and that was the more extensive step of the plan. We have been gathering information for a map as it pertains to the industrial and and employment center entitlements especially as it pertained to our most recent modification to Pasco
Town Center. Even though not a part of connected city opted in, it is still a large portion of connected city and does still serve um the connected city land use that was allocated for that area. In fact, it exceeds that amount. And then we've been
working our way further south into areas like community hubs when we talk about um tall timbers as it relates to park space and the bus depot property on the other side on trying to accommodate a more centralized park space for the residents outside of the VOP super. >> How's that coming?
>> It's coming well. The the longest part of that is staff working within the GIS platform to properly map it. the entitlements and the land use is very easy to find. But whenever we become uh you when we're actually formally mapping this out to bring you guys a completed package, that's the longer portion.
>> I didn't mean the mapping. I meant when I said how's that coming the park, the whole park and busting. >> Yeah, there's a lot of discussion about that, too. >> Sure. I mean, I don't I'm not going to put words in anybody anybody's mouth, but I know that the director of parks, PTE, and the the commissioners are all working together to try to find a a
solution that both positively benefits the land owner of Tall Timbers without hindering their development potential as well as advancing uh the need for a neighborhood park. >> Yeah. I mean, I I think it may make sense to have a project like this on the perimeter of this community hub, but the whole idea of this central area, the
community hub, is to have a community hub. So, and that would be a park area that that type of thing. So, that's why, you know, that was of interest to the planning committee, planning commission when we uh discussed this before. >> Certainly. >> Do you recall how many units were left
over? Because I I recall that they were all used, but I just want to check on how many >> entire this is a tough quiz for me remembering the number off the top of my head. It was a it was a substantial amount. It wasn't 103 units. It was it
was more north uh getting towards the the 1,00. The the issue is the the amount of developable acreage left for those entitlements. It's a little bit harder to fit those in, right? So those larger projects like Eper and Marada typically projects
tend to overentitle themselves and by the time they lay out storm water and do all their final engineering of the roads they end up with an excess of these entitlements and that was part of that first study that we found was that the excess of those entitlements. >> I'd be very curious to see what that
information is if you can provide that. >> I believe Mr. Kov's diligently trying to pull up that study for me and I'm >> doing a good job at stalling. >> But you think it's in the upper hundreds area? Yeah. >> Uh yes, sir. I wouldn't >> 500,000 somewhere.
>> My my my recollection it was was actually north of a of a thousand units. >> Okay. But you're thinking that the remaining buildable area probably wouldn't support that much >> there. Uh, in my professional opinion, there's there's zero chance that you could develop all those single family detached left, especially within the
connected area SPA zones that prohibit single family that remain. >> You're 3,000 units. >> So, about 45% of the 3,100 uh single family detach are actually left. Oh,
>> like 4,000 >> about actually I was way off. It's about 4,000 left. >> Oh, wow. >> 4,000 single family detached or multifamily? >> That's just single family detached >> that were not used. >> Not used. >> I thought they were all entitled and
used up. >> Well, so the confusion came from entitling them doesn't necessarily use them up. So they were all issued and entitled, but it was an overentitling of the land whenever it was actually engineered. And
we're working on a way that those entitlements then come back to the overall connected city pot to be used by other developers in areas where it makes sense to have single family detached. >> William, were they entitled with a loom though? >> Uh
I can't remember every single MPD, but by and large a lot of imputs have a loom. That's why um we've been working >> if they had a loom. I don't you confident that they won't they they won't exchange those those units for multif family or commercial?
>> They could and even then with the 4,000 units there still would certainly be an excess of single family detached even after you use the loom with the developable acreage left within those imputes. because my concern is with 4,000 single family detached units left that's that's a significant number of students so that
impacts my you know what I need to provide capacity for in the future and I was thinking I had had sufficient already >> well >> so that's a game changer if that's the case >> well certainly to David's point when you
when you factor in the loom and the developable acreage left I don't really think that you're going to be left with a a very high delta between the difference in what you've planned in what's built on the ground and that portion of 4,000 that's left. Most likely you're probably going to be
dealing with more town homes in multif family as the development pattern within the SPA zones that's left. A lot of the north and south innovation zones have already been developed which is the predominant single family uh land use area within connected city.
Any further questions for me for from the planning commission members? >> Thanks for the info. >> Thank you. >> Uh Narosto's planning development economic growth. Um on the screen on the overhead screen is the map of connected city and let's see if this works. Uh
just to add a little bit of color to what will was mentioning as it relates to the larger projects that used much of the single family entitlement. Um this is Marada. So this is where a vast majority of single family entitlement was using connected city and of course Eper is down here. They use
quite a bit of uh the single family entitlement. What remains then um and then of course this is the town the Pasco town center area and crossing MPU is right about here. What remains then in connected city for potential use of single family entitlement, single family
detached entitlement are these areas here where you see uh many single family existing single family lots um along the west and east side of Kenton as you move south. North is left on this map. Uh and
then in this area also um so there's not quite as much geography available in connected city to accommodate all 4,000 single family homes that there may be some single family homes that come out of the what's what's been over entitled
probably but we're not looking at 4,000 because that would be on the order of Marada or Eperson and there's not enough space in connected city to accommodate another Marada or that person. Thank you. >> Thank you, Carrie.
>> Barbara Wilhight, we were trying to see what else we could come up with back here while you guys were talking. One thing that we thought of is mandate mandating that we have a property owners association and that the social gathering area is a common area to the POA. So, it won't be controlled by
Starbucks or it would actually be common, which makes it more open. So, I thought that might be a good thing to do. Um, so it's not controlled by a certain user out there. >> Well, I appreciate that. I just did not understand what was meant by that term
community, but will explain from the code how they determine what constitutes a social gathering space. Okay, I get it. >> I do like that idea. >> It is. Yeah, >> that'll that will mean, you know, make sure that it's not one tenant or one
>> it's truly a common area. It's common to our our property as an association >> fence. So, >> so it'll be I think that'll help define it even more as opposed to just being somebody's outdoor seating. >> So, that' be an added uh condition of approval for >> Yes. In addition to the pawn shops
>> and you being prohibited. >> You said before you were going to talk about drainage. >> Yes. >> Well, I had a question for Barbara before. I mean, maybe it's obvious to everybody, but I know folks were talking about the residents there, how they own that road. So, so it looks like to me
though that the road would actually probably be shifted a little bit to the east and it would be built on your client's property, the whatever the new Kenton is. Is that correct? >> The expert on the new Kenton is back here, Mr. Hobby. He has the two
development agreements before you today. Oh, >> okay. I only know a little bit about the missing segment because that's what my client's going to do. >> Okay, >> there's your you got your expert back there. >> Thank you. >> You have a segment that you're going to be prepaving though as well, right?
>> We if nobody the way our condition is written is that we have to make sure that that segment of Kenton from the intersection to our entrance is improved to connect to city standards before our first co.
If somebody else doesn't do it pursuant to these DAs then we have to do it but it's certainly intended that that they are going to you know follow through with their development agreements and so >> one way or another it'll get done as >> yes we have layers of
people like the missing segment there's multiple people that that'll stand up and get that done interestingly enough so there's a lot of interest in getting that road done >> and you're talking about the segment between Elim Um, >> our overpass,
>> our segment >> is what's called the missing segment by staff is Elum to overpass. >> Yeah. >> And do you want to hear drainage? >> Yes. >> Okay, great. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you, Barbara. Uh, good afternoon, commissioners. For the record, my name
is Bruce Landis with Landis Evans and Partners, 3810 Northdale Boulevard, uh, Tampa, Florida. Um, I think one of the first members of the public, a gentleman, Mr. Singleary, I believe, brought up the drainage on Elen Road. Um, I'm not familiar with those
particular um, issues on the road drainage itself, but I can tell you our property uh, drains to the northwest. So, northn northwest away from Eland Road. So if uh in your packages you look in the I think it's the fourth sheet of
our uh CCMPud plan we have the topo there and you can see for yourself on the topo that we drain away from that road. So our development would not be contributing to uh additional flow from that. And with regard to when the development goes on and and and the
various impervious surfaces that are are provided there, um our permitting requirements that we'll be fulfilling are from Pasco County and then the state through the uh southwest water u management district swift mud. And this is an open drainage um um area that
we're basin that we're draining into to the northn northwest. So, we'll be meeting their criteria of of limiting our our post-development runoff to what pre-development runoff is in a 25-y year, 24-hour storm. So, we'll not be contributing uh any additional uh runoff
in the post-development situations. Any questions on the topic? >> Thank you. >> No, I just think uh the residents there need to understand how that works. That's a
Definitely a point of clarification of if any I think Mr. Singleary um did you understand that explanation? >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. >> At this point, >> you if you're going to speak, you need
to come up to the microphone. >> Sorry, I don't normally call anybody up a second time. >> I don't want to come up anyway. >> Right now, his property is pasture. They got cows on it. Yes, the property does flow to the northwest, but that's just a
natural flow because everything goes to the northwest. That's where the swamp is behind all of our houses. You concrete that or pave it or something, you're going to level it out. That water's going to go somewhere. If you've ever been just drive by the road, their
property is on the top part of the road. The water rushes down the road and it there literally makes trenches in the road. When it gets down to the bottom where it settles, it creates potholes. Granted, his property probably does flow
that way, but the road is still going to cause a problem. But we can fix the road. I'm not a problem. We can do that. Other thing I wanted to mention if you did if you would uh your community hubs and your community projects seem to omit
the existing communities. Everything's for the new people. So we're just kind of just swept under the rug and just accept what's coming because it's good for the community. We like our community just the way it is.
Thank you. >> I Yeah, just a minute. >> And I appreciate you standing up, Mr. Moody. appreciate that. >> Well, I just want you to understand something. The the planning commission didn't decide there would be a connected city. The state legislature did. All right?
This was forced down our throat. And so now we have to deal with the fallout from that. And we're trying to do the best job we can. But we did not elect to create a connected city here.
and and logistically it's you know where it's located in the county this is this is basically the only place that would work given the access to 75 and the interchanges on 75 which is very difficult to get the Florida DOT uh to
get an interchange so you know this is this is where it ended up okay did you sign up to speak. I'm sorry. >> Can I speak? >> Did you sign up to speak? >> Okay. Come on out.
>> Come on out. >> Want to try to sit get everybody's in there. >> Uh Stacy Johnson, uh 8945 Overlook Drive, Wesley Chapel. I'm in Lake. >> Have you been sworn? >> I'm sorry. >> Have you been sworn? >> No. >> Okay.
>> You swear from the testimony about of God. >> I do. >> Thank you. That was wrong hand. >> Oh, sorry. It was just calm and turned that way. My bad. >> Okay. >> I live on 8945 Overlook Drive. I'm the literally the last house on the left. I
have a private bridge you have to go over. Um I'm that upside down arrow that goes from yellow to black to magenta. The back end of my three acres has never ever flooded, ever had an issue. two
years ago with the storm at once my neighbors depleted the drainage from Eper and Marada and then we flooded out. I was flooded for 10 days. I have animals on the property. I have kids on the property and I'm an elderly man that lives with me on the property. We were
stuck 10 days. Nobody came to help. Nobody came down. With all of this new construction being built, I am that northwest corner. I'm next to the swamp. I'm next to those 40 acres. I'm there. I can't take another hit. So, I don't know
what's going on. I never get any information from anyone. I call the county. I'm call this person, call that person. It's just me down there trying to survive with all those people. So, I'm very concerned with all this new build.
Literally, I am the lowest level in the neighborhood. >> Okay. >> Thank you for your time. >> No, it's no problem. I think um um their expert would be more than happy to spend some time explaining it to you and
answering some of your questions. I think you deserve to get that. >> Barbara, am I correct? >> Happy to do that. Bruce wants to get with you and get your information. >> It's important to me that I've answered your questions. So, I come back up here just to make sure that I have answered
your questions. Anybody had their questions answered? >> So, Barbara, just to be clear, are you asking us to partially deny your var variation requests? >> I'm amending my variation request on the
record. >> Okay. Because you do want to have a property owners association. >> That's >> but only for the limited purpose of your I guess I'm confused because >> Good question. The current request is to
not have one at all. Are you saying you now want to have one but only for the limited purpose of >> Let me check real quick. Good question. and withdrawing our var variation request. We will have a property owners association for this project that will
include all of the development in the in the project. >> All the common areas basically >> it'll have a property association that goes over all of it. So we'll have common areas, we'll have all the different users will be part of a POA.
>> Okay, that makes it clear. Barbara, just a curiosity. I mean, it seems to be seems like there's a feeling from the current residents that they're living in that area that they're not just not included in any of the questions or, you know, proposals and so
forth like that. And I know you usually make extra effort to try to include people in the area in the neighborhoods to make sure they know what's going on and they have you get their input. Um, can you explain to me why they feel that way now?
>> Nobody's ever reached out to me. >> This has been pending for a long time. I saw it on social media the day it got connected city. It's on the social media and the day it got applied for. So, I would always meet with people and I'll still meet with people between now and
the board of county commissioners. Um, and be happy to do that. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think that'd be a great idea. >> Always happy to meet. Okay. But I don't know who to meet with if nobody reaches out. >> But they're here today, so they're reaching out. >> That's reasonable. Yeah.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. All right. Having heard all the arguments, uh, there motion. Whoever is making the motion, it needs to include the deletion of the last two
sentences of condition five. If Barbara's withdrawing her variation request, >> that's agreeable. >> All right. So, I move approval with the deletion of the last two sentences of condition five as
uh Mr. Gold team um mentioned and then um also to add the condition regarding the uh POA and adding a restriction for pawn shops. >> Yeah. To be clear, condition five actually already requires a POA.
>> Okay. So, if you remove the last two sentences of five, you already are requiring the POA. You just you want you want us to add a condition that says that the social >> gathering area will be a common area in the POA. >> Yes, >> that's the condition you want us to add.
>> Correct. Yes. >> As Miss Wallheight stated on record. >> So, so that plus the uh restriction of the pawn shop as Mr. Moody requested. >> Second your motion. >> All right. And we have a second for purposes of discussion. Is there any
other discussion? I know Chris, you were concerned about the schools. >> Well, that was overall connected city, but >> you have a satisfactory answer to that. >> Chris actually doesn't vote on this. >> Yeah, I don't. >> This doesn't have any res
this I don't vote on this living. I pass on my >> We don't care what Chris thinks about this one. >> We don't the commercial project. >> I like Chris. >> Thank you, Chuck. With all due respect, Chris. >> Yes, I understand.
>> Okay. >> No, I wasn't planning on voting. >> Okay, >> then I'll talk to the other Chris. >> Thank you for vote. We don't care what Chris thinks. >> Thank you for checking. >> Then we care. >> All right. So, we have a motion and a
second. Any further discussion on the motion? >> If not, all in favor signify by saying I. I. I. opposed like sign. All right, motion carries with those uh modifications.
All right, thank you. And uh as you heard, feel free to contact Barbara, people in the community, and she'd be more than happy to meet with you and go over any questions that you may have and listen to any suggestions that you may have.
So, this is a good time to make your feelings known. Just She's right there while you can get to her. All right. Okay. What's next? Clark, are you okay with them handling
seven and eight together? >> Separate. >> You want them separate? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Item PC7 is PTE 26 0199. This is the PRLY DA development agreement.
>> Good afternoon. Gavin Kobe plane development and economic growth. Uh this is PDE 260199 Apply DA. This is actually an amendment to the existing apply DA. Here's a location in the county.
Here is the location within connected city. As you can see, the MPUD itself was is also within the community hub. It is uh directly across the street from the property we were just looking at. And so here is the kitten apply mpud
segment that comes from the intersection of Elum and uh and Kenton Road up to road B in the Aril. Oh no. Okay.
Road B right there on the PLY master plan. uh this is implementing the conditions of approval of the apply MPUD. This is a requirement to to basically set term the conditions for designing, permanent and constructing the segment
in exchange for transportation development fee credits or or mobility fee credits for the developer. And one of the things that we did do in this DA that that require the uh amendment was that we changed the roadway typical. Initially the roadway
typical included multi-purpose lanes within within the rideway uh which was 8 ft. Instead we changed those multi-purpose lanes to extend the multi-purpose pass on the outside. So now we have two 12- foot multi-purpose paths instead of those multi-purpose
lanes which is going to be safer for bicycle, pedestrians, and alternative vehicles to move up and down Kenton Road. And this is the typical that we've applied to the missing Kenton segment. And then when we talk about the Kenton DA, it's consistent with that as well.
And again, uh Barbara kind of mentioned this in the uh the last project that we talked about. This DA also has a require or an option at the election of the developer to construct the missing Kenton segment with the same terms for
that the Kenton Road commercial has cash reimbursement for the signals and intersection improvements at uh Kenton and Elum and then Kenton and overpass as well. We wanted to make sure that we had as many people tagged for this so that we could get it done. And this is coming with a recommendation
to find the proposed development agreement consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the board of county commissioners. >> Okay. Thank you. That segment of that road that's going to be p paved prior to the development being started. Is that right?
>> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you applicant. Mr. Chairman Clark Hobby Hobby and Hobby PA 109 North Brush Street, Tampa, Florida. I've been sworn. Apologize for my voice. I'm a little under the weather, so I'm trying to not touch
stuff that other people might touch up here. Uh, this DA is an amendment and restatement of the existing DA you all already saw couple of years ago. The MPU was approved uh almost four years ago
now and would have already been built. There were a couple of market girrations that ended up with different home builders going away and now we're back with others and I think everyone will be really happy with the builders that we do have coming in there. But so the DA
was already approved uh implementing the MPU condition that required the construction of this segment of roadway. As you heard from staff, all this does is it moves some of the dates out um for the construction because again, we nor
we initially assumed we would be able to build this earlier than we're able to. But if we get this approved and a couple of other things, we're anticipating that the roadway construction will actually commence pretty soon. Other than that, all we did was update some legal ease
throughout the agreement. We added the option for us to build the so-called missing kitten segment and um and then we uh added the new crosssection. Um I do have Jordan Schrader here with me and I'll I'll tell you on in broad terms and
Jordan can ask uh can answer more specific um questions that you may have or the neighbors may have. We have met with the neighbors uh on site and our engineers have a number of times over the years. Um again it we started on
this journey in I think it was early to mid 2021 and when we led up to the MPU approval we had several meetings with the neighbors tried to get their input and that influenced how Clear View has u designed their drainage plans for the
road and the overall roadway design as well over time. So happy to answer any questions you may have. Jordan's here and can answer specific engineering questions. Thank you. >> Any questions for Mr. Jav? No. Jordan.
>> Good afternoon. Jordan Trader, 310 Westil Street, Sweet 150, Tampa, Florida 33609. Uh, chairman and members of the planning commission, I did want to mention that uh, I went through my phone and I found a photograph from March 2nd of 2022 when we met with Mr. Singleary and the
residents and it's in his front yard and the trees that we promised to save that have been incorporated in the plans that your staff have already approved. We met with staff. Uh, I heard what he said earlier and I he does need to be heard. He has been heard. We moved our silk fence to make sure to save those trees.
He's correct. There's two overland outfalls also from east to west across Kenton Road. What happens is there's about 400 feet of cow pasture on the east side of Kenton Road that drains west today. We're taking that water away from that because of the sensitivity of Kenton Road. So, I want you to know that
Mr. Singleary and those residents have been heard and we've considered that in the plans that have been approved. If you have any questions, I'm here to answer them. >> All right. Any questions on that? I think it's a it's that's good to know. I think that's a big concern for those residents there. So, you're dealing with that water problem. That's going to be a
big help to them. So, any questions up here for Jordan? >> No. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay, Mr. Chair, the individual signed up to speak on item PC7.
We'll begin again with Phil S. >> Pardon me. The first individual to speak on item PC7 is Phil S. >> Phil >> Singleary. >> Singleary. >> Mr. Phil S. >> Mr. S.
>> Philip Singleary 8750 8723 Kenton Road. The gentleman is correct. We did meet several times. He actually came down and looked at the road. I mean, he saw that we our property at least has at least 25 oak trees right on the boundary line, right? >> I mean, we got trees growing in through
the bob wire. >> So, and our my concern and everybody's concerned on the road was they're going to actually start at the property line and push back. I'm just concerned about the damage. He assured us that if there was any damage that they would fix the
problem, >> right, >> I'm satisfied with that. >> Okay, good deal. He sounds like he's uh got the right idea with the drainage because when the our initial meeting was they're going to raise that particular property up three feet and I don't know
how what they're going to do with it now but uh if he says that he can fix the water problem that's fine. >> Mhm. >> Um when this road is completed I would like to see I don't know if you guys can do anything about this or not but uh no
Jake breaks. It's going to be a very major thoroughfare. It's going to be a four-lane road from 52 to overpass to the interstates. The trucks, people, it's going to be a major road. It really is. And it's going to take away from the
uh the uh quiet and you know, country living. >> Mhm. One thing that we would like is to make sure that even with the original product that we talked about earlier and this product is to keep the construction vehicles off the private road. It can't
handle heavy equipment. >> Mhm. >> And um working hours would be great if they could work from 8 to 5, >> right? >> Instead of sun up to sun down, especially that the time's changing now. They'll be out there working till 9:00. >> So that would be nice. But um
all this talk about the uh the community needs places to congregate. That property is perfect for the county to buy it and make a nice park out of it. It's access to the lake. I mean, it's perfect. It would really
nice. It's got beautiful pine trees and it's a really pretty piece of property and it's all just going to be bold down. But anyway, I do appreciate his uh his response and his time and we'll see what happens. Thank you. >> All right, Mr. Singles. Thank you for being here.
Hello again, gentlemen. Michael Ptoic, 9152 Kenton Road, 33545. I was actually hoping Kenton the other one was going to come up first because I have some public praises. Don't fall out of your seat. I have some public praises
for Mr. Clark Hobby and uh I want to thank him for some things, but it's not about this one per se. >> Probably only because he's not feeling well. >> Um so I guess there there's two main things that I want to touch on here and I kind of uh briefly touched on it uh
the first time up here to speak. um timing and phasing and I have the original um and updated transportation analysis from the connected city. We have those. It's from links and associates and the timelines and the
phasing for the roads are my concern. And the reason is that with the road plans even through 2030 this was not going to be a paved road. When we skip forward to 2040, then it
was actually going to be a fourlane through fair. Okay. Not we. The county has approved all of the developments on the north side of this road in this intersection. There's been over 1,800 residences approved that
haven't been built yet. They're all We hear they're coming pretty quick. those 1,800 and the 8,000 residents of Marada. This is going to be the through road to get down into Wesley Chapel to get to
Eper. All of that traffic is going to be using this road. What my concern on the timing is is if we put in a two-lane road now, and right now it's penciled in to end with a stop sign,
the signalization there at Elum and Kenton is going to be a huge importance. Otherwise, nobody's going to be able to get in and or out. But the other issue is because all of the other developments have already been approved, it's being built. It makes no sense to put a
two-lane road in there when all of the houses are the majority with Marada are already built, but all of these developments are already approved. Pasco County needs to be a little bit proactive and go straight to the four lanes so that in two years we're not all
in here tying up your afternoons telling you about how bad the congestion is and nobody can escape to get to work or to school. They moved the schools out of the central portion here and moved it out onto to the east. And you have to go through this road for all of those
students to get to school. And they live within 2 miles of their school. So every one of those students is going to school and back and forth in vehicles. They're not going on bicycles and is too close for bus service. So what I would ask of
you is for planning to have some discussions proactive and let's go straight to the 2040 plan rather than a hodgepodge now where the master plan didn't originally expect all of this
growth in the the Kenton community hub area. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Next, >> Mr. Chair, the next individual is Michelle B. >> Um, at 8747 Kent Row, Mr. Alberat, live
my mom and dad. Um, Nelson and Brenda EIS. >> Excuse me just a minute. >> I'm sorry for that. Where's that coming from? >> Shame on you. Sound like your wife.
>> Can we get security to get him out of here? >> Yeah. Right. >> It's where's my bail? >> So, I want to just agree with everybody else that has mentioned things like Mr. Phil. Um, is there any way that y'all can zoom that in just a little bit? I
have a curious question and I hope I get paused maybe for this. Do y'all have a pointer or something? So my question is is you know how they're going to do the they're going to do the new Kent Road to the right of us. Oh, thank you. I didn't have my readers. Thank you. >> So they're going Where am I? Oh, that's
crappy. Do you have a red one? Like a ding? >> Okay. So >> before you point that, you might hurt somebody. >> Okay. So I'm going to We live right here, right across from that. Right. So this is where they're talking about the
new road is supposed to jog off. Correct. So if you see right there, see that little piece of our dirt road that's still hanging out? Is that can be just blocked off, cut off from everybody
to use it or what is what what are they going to do with that? I'm I'm a little like confused on that because why I'm mentioning this is that now we already have four-wheelers um side by sides um all these dump
trucks and that's what's going to happen on the other side of us on the south side when y'all are going to put the new road to connect to overpass. We're going to have traffic coming from the north to the south back and forth there. It's going to happen. Me and
Jennifer chase people down on these dump trucks. So they go by GPS and it says, "Oh, take this road." So that's another one of my concerns and I hope you do what you're supposed to do. I hope so because it is really bad. I kid you not. It is awful. The rain, the runoff, and
when he says northwest, I'm like, that's usually where it goes is north to west. So that's right behind our property, right? And then another issue is King Lake when that overflows. I mean, it's just we're in a what Mr. would say a swimming pool or a what was it? A bowl.
We're going to be like a swimming bowl. So, those are my two things is we don't need the traffic coming down a road like we have been having happen and we have to stop them, tell them not to come down. We have signs. We have um I we had to personally put up signs to say no
trespassing. Uh residents only. An interesting thing, I did a game camera right at the end of my driveway just to see what kind of stuff we got going because I can hear it. Three days we had a thousand activities.
These aren't animals. These aren't just people walking. This is like cars, dump trucks, flatbed trailers, and we're a single lane road. So, you have to think of how much traffic we have dealt with and we have been like swept under the
rug about for years and I'm sick. I'm done. I'm tired of it. That's why my last little talk. I want us to be our own little community, our own little 10acre lot community. Block us off at this end the south. Block us off at the
north and leave us alone because we have dealt with it for so long, too long. You know, I can't even walk my dog anymore. I can't even go walk down our road anymore without people hitting it. Man, they come from the the north side from that skating rink that um they come from
that. They come from your county drivers are the worst. We catch them all the time flying. I've called I don't know how many times on them. Um but I mean we get so much traffic because it comes from Curly. It comes from Mckendry. It comes from Tindle. Tendle got a brand
new housing area there. So that traffic comes down our road. So we have got to stop it. We have got to block us off somehow so we don't deal with this anymore and we have our own little our own little community, you know. So that's all we're asking. And then this
little social space that y'all talk about, oh my gosh, just go to Publix at Innovation Springs. I couldn't even walk in there. There's kids on their ebikes. Oh, that's another thing. Ebikes. They're flying down a road with their ebikes. I mean, and then I could just keep going, but Publix, you can't even
enjoy Publix. I mean, they're all there. You go in and I'm like, "Holy crap, this is like a high school. I just walked into Publix." So, when they talk about social space, I'm like, it's everywhere. And I hate to say before about being transients. I apologize for that. I need
to take that back. What I meant is like those type of things that they're going to put in do attract people like that. We seen it. 7-Eleven down off of um Boyette Road. They're all there. I don't know how many things. It's just a lot of
me. It's a big mess. I just hope someone figures something out instead of jumping on it. And I know they have had a plan for this what they wanted to do on the corner since I couldn't talk in the previous one because I had times out. They had a plan because we met with
Terry and Terry was act like he didn't know what was going on in that corner. He knew. He had to know for all this to happen. Now, we didn't know anything about what was going there, what was going to be developed there. We knew it was sold. We knew it was sold for big bucks. It can be sold for big bucks is a
something's going to happen to it. It's not someone just buying it just to live there, you know, and to have their own little space. So, there's a lot going That's all I have to say. >> Thank you very much for listening to me. I appreciate it very much. But, let me know about that. Whoever's doing the
road, if that gets dead end because you know you're going to have a four-wheeler jumping it, you're going to have ebikes going over it. You're going to have everybody using our dirt road still. So, something has to happen there to block us off from everybody. >> Okay. Well, you know, the people that are involved in it in this room, just
pick up the phone. >> I've never I've never met you before. I mean, I've talked like Terry was the only one that ever reached out with us and had a meeting and said, "Hey, um, let's discuss about can we what can we do?" What's your concerns? You've never reached out. You've never talked to us.
So, >> okay, >> Mr. Chair, the last individual pre-registered to speak is Miss Jennifer McCarthy. >> Hello, Jennifer McCarthy. 8819 Kenton Road. Um, couple things I do. Um, so as
long as you keep the trees I um are thing too, I appreciate that because there is a little bit of a natural buffer there. So I hope that they're going to do what they say there. Um, as long as the change as well as the changes in the water runoff and I I it's very hard to see and you don't have to put it up, but the road segment I guess
what I understand is that the golf cart is going to go on the other side. If that's if that's how interested, I think that's great because when you're walking on Elam Road, people don't like using the golf carts because people are going 60 miles an hour, so they're on the sidewalks, which means that walkers can't be on the sidewalks. Um, so I
think if that's on the opposite side, maybe they'll actually get used. Um, so I think that's that's great. So things that I do have some concerns about. Um, so I'm going to just say what Michelle said is that right now while we're doing during construction, this one segment, there's basically all the north side
traffic is going to be coming down and then they're going to be hitting this paved road. So we're having an issue like Mckendry Road has currently where you have partial paved, partial um, not the difference with Mckendry is that we own our easement, which means we are
responsible for our easement. It's not countymaintained. It is when we say single lane, it is one lane. if you're walking on the road, it's very difficult for even a car to get through. So, when we have trucks and everything else, so I' I'd like to have more restrictions on somehow trying to not have construction
traffic come from the north and then use this paved paved side while we're in this kind of limbo um with this road. Again, we've been dealing with this for for years. It's dangerous. I can't I can't walk. And I walked on Elam until I was getting kicked off by the golf carts. So, I I mean, it's it's a whole
cycle. Um, one thing I wanted to say about entitlements that came up is that, and this is unrelated to this, I'm just going to spit it out, is that I remember being I don't know if it was Tall timber or Preole or which of the property, but they're like, if there were entitlements, we would change these town
homes to single family homes. So, I guess there are entitlements. So, I guess I question like what happens now with the site plans because they they made, you know, they make these comments and um nothing. Yeah. So I I distinctly remember this this comment. Um
the other thing the other thing I have a question on is how people are actually going to use the additional segment of Kenton Road to overpass with this being a light. So one of the reasons that I thought that that segment was needed was because Elam Road, if you keep going
down Elam Road, there's a sharp curve. There's, you know, there's there's a lot of things that go down there. And are people going there? We have a a a ton of traffic coming from the east on Elam Road. Now, are they going to sit in a lefthand turn light to go left to then
go right to then sit in another light to go to the highway? Um, so I don't think that that's how that's going to get used. So I guess I question why would anybody coming from the north or the east do anything other than continue on on Elam Road? So, I guess I question a
light there and potentially I know people are for or against it, but I guess I would question whether a roundabout makes more sense being able to divert traffic cuz people are not going to sit in a left and go down. People are not going to come from the north on Kenton Road and sit through a light to go straight. They're going to
take a right to go to Elan to get to the highway. So, I mean, maybe a little bit late in the game for saying this, but I I just you're we're going to put this there and it's people aren't going to use it because they're going to be sitting for extra minutes. And why is anybody going to sit for extra minutes
to get where they need to go? Um, the other thing I want to say is that during construction, and I know this probably has I I don't know. During construction, I have concerns about dust mitigation of the construction. So, I know Tanya on Mckendry Road has also these concerns. Um, so I, you know, I
would like to make sure that while they're during construction that we are not bombarded by dust and I just remember going up old Pasco Road and when they were doing that big development north of the thing, these people were just getting blasted. Um, I I mean, so I'd like to ensure that. And
then the other thing was um >> Yeah, I'm just concerned that our timer is not working. >> Yeah, >> because I think we're given a lot more time than three minutes. >> Well, I have one more thing and then I'm gone. So I I'm I'm going to have to cut you off pretty quick. So >> that's fine. I just have one more
sentence. Is that also during construction I have concerns that they're going to block us from getting out of our houses and go Elam road and route us 15 minutes out of our way every time we want to leave our house. So I'd like for I'd like that um you know so if I you know whoever I can speak with
about that to ensure that we're able to leave our house. >> Yeah. >> So that's it. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> I think Jordan can answer all the questions. Jordan, >> would you like to come up and respond? Mr. Hobby is not feeling
>> I'll speak briefly. Most of these, I think, are technical questions that Jordan's in a better position to answer, but I do want you all to know that many of these specific questions were asked of us in a community meeting about four and a half years ago. And all of our
design is taken this into account. And I even have an email from Ernie telling me, I think it was just right at 5 years ago, that the new road had to be completely on our side so that we didn't goof up any of the neighbors uh over on their side. And it is it's an
interesting thing. There's some easements that exist uh over some of the property owners over on the west side, but they may one day after we build the new road, they may be able to have a gated area that just serves their area. But we talked about maintenance of
traffic and all these issues uh years ago and that's all been accounted for. But I'll let Jordan try to explain what he's done. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I think some of the questions that were posed too is going to be answered by PC8 as well. So regarding paving to the north. >> Yeah. Good afternoon. I I met with Mr.
Car earlier and I missed the the lady's name prior to but I think two of the main questions. One, we're keeping traffic off of the existing Kenton Road. I think as everybody knows the existing Kenton Road is not even a private road. It is actually easements on individual lots. So, as Clark mentioned, we met at Mr. Worley's house, which is the the
third largest of the uh the wider tracks with all the residents of Kenton Road. And what we did was we actually moved Kinton Road over so the road is not pushed up right against the rightway. We slid it over so that we could save the trees along the fence line. And then we work with the neighbors because everyone's concerned. I don't want people coming down my Kinton Road. What
we learned out there also is there's no formal maintenance program. They're calling Mr. Sing Mr. single chair to use his tractor and that's how they're they're maintaining this road and people are using it daily. So when the new Kinton is complete this one plus the next segment obviously all lo all north
south traffic will use new Kinton road. Okay, everybody goes north south. What we did with the residents is at road A, let me zoom into it right here. Don't want that. Here we go. Okay. So, at road A, which is right
here, >> we created a full median opening and we created a westside driveway accessing Exenton Kenton Road that's basically going to become their own driveway. So, they know this. Everyone will come north on Kenton Road and that's a full median so they get full movements. And then
again, when new when Kenton Road is complete, all the general public will go north to south off of their road. The residents will essentially have their own private reverse frontage road and they can turn off Kenton Road onto their private dirt road that's going to function just the way it is today. What
they wanted to try to have that country lifestyle estate feel, but they can get on and off Kenton Road. Um, so we created that driveway at road A. That's where they will come in and out. And then I'll let the next project in the north speak to how or if that road accesses in the next segment, but I can tell you from the apply project, we work
with them to coordinate that driveway location. And once all this construction is complete, the only people that need to use that driveway are the residents, the 10 of them that live on this road here. Um, the second one was again the trees and the fence line and the drainage. I think I touched on a little bit, but we slid the road over to
protect the trees. As Mr. Singleary mentioned, what happened is the farmers cleared the pasture, the barbwire fence still runs through the trees, and they said, "Look, we said all the time, you're going to pull the fence out and lose the trees." So, we're committed to leaving the trees that are buried right on the property line and carefully moving that barb wire so they have a
little bit of that buffering. Um, we also move the road over and we're collecting all of Kenton Road and into our ponds on the east. We have that outfall to the west, but we're opting not to use it. We're keeping it off of Kenton Road. We're keeping all of our water uh that drains into Kenton Road
stays on our side. >> Okay. Are we doing anything about construction traffic on that road? So, it's obviously it's a private road there. We don't have any restrictions I'm aware of as of right now. All of our traffic is only going to come from Elim Road. We don't have any reason or
mechanism to come from the north. All of our equipment, everything, it's a dirt road to the north. All of our stuff, just like Wildcat being built right now, everything is coming from the pave road from Elim Road to the south. Um, so I can say from our project, all of our access will come off of Elim Road, which
is the hard surface that serves us. I can't speak for the project that's up next after ours. I just um I think there were some questions about the not necessarily that they would wouldn't use that road, but they wouldn't use it earlier and late hours. Got it. So, that
might be something you want to think about. >> There was a question too about dust mitigation. Can you speak to >> We talked about fugitive dust and we had some of the meetings with the neighbors. It's a real concern. Um we have notes in our plans have been approved that speak to fugitive dust. We'll continue to reinforce that before we start
construction. The county has gotten a lot better at policing fugitive dust. So, I will ensure that the notes and some of the restrictions in our plan stay in place for fugitive dust. >> Yeah, you just wet it down or water it down. Yeah, >> it's always in January. It's a certain time of year and it's when the wind blows from east to west. It's when a
drier period. So, we'll stay on top of that. So, >> all right. Any other questions. Any other any other items you want to speak to, Clark? Okay. Okay.
If there no other questions, do I hear a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Second. >> Any further discussion of the motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I like sign.
Okay. Mr. Chair, Patty's assured me the timer is working, but I'll keep a timer on my phone to keep her honest. >> Okay. All right. PC8, this is PTE 2600227,
the Kenton Development Agreement. Okay. Gavin Kovi uh plane development economic growth. This is the last time you'll see me today and hopefully for the next month. So >> a it's too bad. So >> this is PTE 260227
kitten development agreement. Uh here's a location within the county. It's very similar to the previous project location in connected city as well. As you can see, it's a little bit northern a little bit north on Kitten Road from where the apply imputed was approved.
Still within the community hub that we've been talking about. So like the Apply DA, this is uh the DA is a requirement of the MPD conditions of approval to design permit and construct uh this portion of Kitten
Road. So you can see where the kitten developer is picking up where Aprilia is leaving off extending north all the way up to the northern property boundary building a roundabout here and then connecting over to the existing
Tendle roundabout. This is an alignment change from what is within our current master roadway plan that was approved by the county engineer. We wanted to make sure that we were using as much county rightway as we could uh for these roadway improvements. And I do believe that uh Mr. Shrader mentioned again uh
the driveway access to the private residential road for this project if it's going to work. Okay. You can see another access point uh just about here that'll connect to the existing residential Kinton Road.
And then again, another access point right there for the the residents along King Lake. Again, it's the same modified typical that we talked about with the the uh expanded multi-purpose paths on the
side, both 12 foot um just like the Arillian being consistent with the other two DAS or the other two roadway products we've been talking about. And again, we wanted to make sure that we tagged a third person for the missing Kinton segment to make sure it got done. So at the developers election, if the
Kent Road commercial doesn't go through, we have another backup that could potentially construct this road. >> All right. Good. Great. >> And then same thing, this recommendation comes uh from the plan development department to find the proposed development agreement consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the board of county
commissioners. >> All right. Thank you. Questions? So it looks >> I do have one question. >> David, go ahead. David, >> did you have a question first? >> Um, no. Go ahead. Um Gavin, so the apply
DA had a calendar deadline to complete the roadway. This one does not. It just has the deadline is basically prior to the final plat within the MPD. Um is there a reason why they're treated differently?
>> Can't speak to that. I'll let Clark answer that. Um I think that's a just You want to talk about the timeline? >> Happy to address it. >> Yeah, think that's I'll let the clerk answer that question though. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I was just going to clarify the northern section. So, it looks like
there's uh part of this is a roundabout. Uh and then will the section that goes east west. Is that replacing Tindle Road or is it in line with Tindle Road? >> Yeah, let if I might Clark Hobby again
for the record. Um so yes, uh let me answer that first Mr. Pon ponlets. The uh the very northern segment. Yes. What what staff was talking about, just to be clear, that segment is trying to use as much of the existing Tindle Road right
away. On the north south segment, the segment of Kenton that we're building in this project, we're using all of our own property again. So, we will not be touching the existing dirt road segment of Kenton Road that lies adjacent to the
lots that are over on King Lake. And again, we did that after community meetings. Um, and what will probably happen on that segment at some period of time is those people could have a private area or if they were to uh get the property uh the rightway vacated,
they may have even larger lots. But we did it for two reasons at the time. Number one, we didn't want to create an access issue for them during our construction. The second of all was because of the, you know, big width of the rideway and the landscaping that we
have on our site, we wanted to create a very large setback for them because they have large lots like the other neighbors do to the south. And off the top of my head, I I want to say that the nearest lots were like it's like 280 ft away. That was all discussed at length during
the uh MPUD, but that's how that's set up there. But for the the the big ticket um discussion again, the this project now uh a developer has bought it and we have a lot of approvals for it already.
And so we are anticipating picking up at the same time our neighbors to the south if they start construction in about 2 3 months we would follow immediately behind them and start construction on our roadway segments. Um I have Joe Simino here to answer any technical
questions about that. As to the phasing, the the reason it was set up uh not to have a deadline originally, and David, you may recall this from the MPUD, there are, you know, there's likely to be, at least what I know, more than one phase
of this road. Um we're probably going to go up um close to where the first uh wetland uh system is in a first phase and then come back and have subsequent phases to that. and it wasn't entirely clear when the northern area was going
to be developed. Um, and that's why that was put that way in the MPU. So, all we did was follow the language that's in the MPU about it. Um, the the reason the one to the south had the timeline when we originally did it was we knew it had to be built so that this project could
have access ultimately down to Elum. Unless the southern one goes first, we have no access other than to hope someone else builds another segment of Tindle to us. So that's that's how that started. Um, again, I have Joe here to answer any of the technical side, but we
did have community meetings on this thing. And uh, Joe went out there a couple of times afterwards and talked to our neighbors because on this segment, there was a lot of uh, comm well, even before the uh, the hurricanes occurred,
they were having observable uh, lake level rise. And you know, we're all very sensitive to that because it's it's easy for folks to be worried that, hey, maybe something happened at Eper that changed my world. And we want to make sure that
we were understanding what the baseline was that we needed to be engineering off of going forward. We also want to make sure, and Joe was very good at educating me and some of the neighbors about what where the water's going from the lake. Did it ever discharge
um up into our project and through it? And and what I understand from Joe and he'll probably tell me that I'm not saying it correctly, but basically there isn't an existing workable discharge from the lake over there based on the
the where the height of some of the pipes are occurring. It has to basically go through everyone's uh house to get up to the point that the pipe could work. And it's just I think there's about a 3-FFT difference that Joe explained to
me. So, we're really in a different basin than the lake. Um, but we, you know, we're very sensitive in making sure that we're taking all of our drainage from most of it collects and starts around the southeast corner and then it runs up through the large wetland system in the northwest corner
and then out to Cypress Creek. But other than that, happy to answer any other questions you may have. Clark, just to clarify because I don't have the MPD in front of me, but and I don't know what's going to happen to the timber or whatever property to your northwest if that's ever going to get
developed, but hypothetically because they hypothetically they need this road for them to develop. Um, if you all weren't ready to build the northern piece, does your MPD require you to at least dedicate the rideway if
they needed to build this piece? It has the typical if you guys call us within 90 days, we have to have to >> they have to give us the right away and they can build it. >> Right. Right. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right.
Is anybody need to speak that hasn't had a chance to? >> Yes. We're going to repeat the list of registered individuals to speak beginning with Philip Singleary. Okay, >> Mr. S. >> Philip Singleary, 8723 Kenton Road. Just
a few things on this one. Uh, I think the original plan was they were going to make an exit and an egress or a road that connected the new Kenton with the old Kenton so that the people
that lived on the old Kenton could have access to the the new Kenton. What I would like to see them do is that's fine, but if they could do it on the county property side, which is at the very end of all those rectangular slats
from that point north, the county maintains that road. So, if they can move that to that and to just leave our road alone, uh UPS might not be happy, but they'll get over it. Uh, also right at the corner there's a S curve and
right at the very front of that norththeast corner of that S-curve there's a lake entrance for people who live on the road. It's a private entrance. Um, we're going to need to have access to that private road. So, I don't know if they're going to be able
to just put a stop the curb and start it or whatever they have to do. and my neighbors to the north. I don't understand if this road is going to be on the county road on the north part. Are they going to do you know
>> the north part of this road >> where uh Arell stops building and they and the the next company comes in is are they going to build the Kenton road that goes straight into the dirt road Kenton? I think they said
that they were going to put it on their own property. Where is their property? >> West of the existing Canton. >> Is it on the west side of Kenton on F and Fosa's property? The 150 acres there? >> Yes. >> Yeah, that's where it is. Okay, cool.
All right, sounds good. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Good afternoon, Michael Ptoic, 9152 Kenton Road, 33545. Um, just a couple of things. First off, Mr. Jav, thank you.
the developer that's taking over the north part of this reverted it back to the original plans which was the neighborhood center shopping uh grocery gym in the uh very tall apartments in the middle of all of this went away. So
we're very grateful for that. Thank you. Um, again, it would be very nice if there could be some proactive work in these roads because the um timing and phasing of these roads, everything's
already been approved and the homes are already there. So, we're we're chasing our tail if we're going to build a road that was designed without any of that planning already approved and and in the works. This road technically can't come fast enough
because it is not fair that all of these res residents that keep up this single lane dirt road that is on their property, they we all are the ones that have to clean the trees, clear the trees, keep the road up. And um and it
it's not fair to those homeowners to have all of the inadvertent construction traffic driving on their private property to get through to Elim. So, uh, some proactive talk on the four lanes right away would be fantastic. There was
one there was one request that we did make that, um, I guess it wasn't, uh, feasible for some reason was to move the entrance onto the existing Kenton further up so that it was balanced for
all of the homeowners on the east side. Um, and that I would I would love to be able to have that discussion, but um, the other thing is I haven't heard anybody talk about it yet, but the existing Kenton Road residents, if
the two sections that are going to not be Kenton Road end up getting renamed, the residents would like a say in if the county renames it, uh, what the name of that road's going to be or potentially taking it back to the original name
which was uh King Lake. So, it hasn't been discussed yet, but if if either of those two sections get renamed, if the residents can be openly included in that discussion, that'd be fantastic. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Anybody else on the list? >> Yes. Next is Miss Michelle. >> Okay. after then would be Miss Jennifer McCarthy. >> You're good. Okay, >> she's officially good.
>> It's officially awesome. Then we're officially done with the registered individuals to speak on item PC. >> So Clark, do you want to have somebody respond to some of those concerns? I yeah I'm gonna Joe Simos the engineer of record on this and I'll have Joe answer
a couple of the things but I think you know we did maintain all of the existing connections when you go up the existing dirt road kinton when you get to the which one is the pointer let's see this one yeah when you get to the the
northern end of the apply project there's like a 90° curve right there in the existing condition we're not blocking any of those people off because that's how the people who live to the south and the west have to get to their property. So that was something we
talked about with staff and with the neighbors eons ago that's being maintained. And again what happens here is you know all the curb cut right here that was just brought up that's already actually been approved. We have approved construction plans for that. So that's
already pretty well baked. But the idea up here is the existing Tindle is going to come over here. And the reason for the roundabout is to create a functional new access point to the existing Tindle to bring it across here and connect with
Kenton. And that didn't really occur in the previous plan. So I really feel like, you know, again, we've heard all these same comments before and that's why we met with the neighbors the years ago to work all this stuff out. Um, if there's any technical questions that you have for Joe about it, um, um, he can
answer them. But I think most of these things we we've already baked into the plans all along. >> Okay, great. Great. >> Maybe a better question for staff, but do you know if the vision off, this is not regarding your property, but do you know if the vision is to extend um that
section that you're building to the west towards Mckendry? So, it's basically due west. >> Well, let me I forgot one other thing I was going to say. uh our Mr. Polterak was talking about, you know, maybe we should build four lanes. Now, I don't want to speak for Nick, but we have talked about this both
on Mckendry and this project. And I think, not to put words in his mouth, but he feels like we need to see a lot higher traffic volumes before we lane either one of those roads. And we are building Mckendry, the first big segment of it right now, uh for the hospital.
Uh, and it's going to have it has a small gap now that we need to figure out so that there's no more dirt segments left when that gets built. And I I imagine that's going to take a lot of the traffic off of this area. But also, and and Joe was reminding me of this, on
this project and the one to the south, they've been designed um to build the outside lanes and with the new crosssection that staff asked us to work with, it's going to be very easy for the county or some other developer to come back later and build two more lanes on
the inside. That was part of the reason for the redesign that staff wanted. We avoid uh avoided a bunch of the curbing and stuff that would have been more expensive to take out when lanes three and four are later built. Well, well, I'm sorry. >> I was It doesn't It may be better for
staff because it's not really for your project, but I was just curious if that if that's the vision to go uh continue going to the west. >> Yeah, the county the county owns the property in the intervening segment to get from there to Mckendry. So, yeah, I don't know when staff plans on on
building that or if another project's obligated. I'm not sure. >> Thank you, Clark. Okay. If there's anything else, any questions? >> Okay. Yeah, I got it. So, that that the white line there, that's kind of the
vision there for Tendle to be straight. All right. Derek, you feel good? Yeah. All right. Motion. >> Did you hear anything from Joe or not? You guys all good? >> Yeah, I'm I'm good. >> I'm good. >> You good?
>> Uh, I'll move approval for PC8. >> Second. >> A second. >> Have a motion. Second. >> Any further discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Post like sign. >> Okay.
>> Who gets the credit for the second? >> Me. >> Second. Matt. >> Matt. Matt. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. Move to adjurnn. >> Second. >> We have a motion to adjourn.
>> All in favor? I >> I Post like sign. All right. >> Anybody? >> Yeah, I got to have >> You guys are in the chomp today. >> Yeah, you better. >> I'll always take a jalapeno chomp. >> Plans the project narrative. The
photograph. >> Jalapeno chomp. One of those. >> Which one you want? >> Thank you. >> Is there cashews in there or something?