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I know there's going to be some opposition to the Jasmine I wondered about that I was explaining to who was it I was talking to oh it was um will I was explaining to Wi ver million that for
many many many many many years that was kind of sacred ground yeah we talked about that when we had way back in the olden days a lot of Commissioners Golden Acres and kind of the who's who of the Town lived in Golden Acres and so that was Sac ground
you didn't screw that and Little Road used to be something called Plaza Drive which was the main road through goldenes yeah that was that was Evans so so yeah uh we uh because we talked about
the don't screw with that last Cas was parel just to the south of that but ultimately I think the board well I think us and the board I know I voted no on that one here because there was a dispute about C1 or
C2 timately the I think the intent is that willing to look at that but I can tell you this that Walgreens store I worked for Olympia Development Group where the built a Walgreens store back then that Walgreens store has never
performed as Pro for it has been a craft store and it's on the yeah I mean you'd think with all the traffic fa I think the guy that got the corner what I think talking oh you're G get all these
jobs yeah I don't know how much I mean how many jobs are kind of Robotics but I'm not sure you know if they 100 jobs at grades or what because massive facility right right or something like that so it's a massive massive
structure got to make sure right exactly robot it's like how many is that people that's kind of in charge of them speak I did watch a video on that it was
kind of really interesting they show one of the robotic facilities yeah so the robots kind go grab everything and bring it back and there still kind of human element at some kind of moving away from that too really cool stuff I
know and if you just sort of uh is for you do the continuances you do the continu the guy how are you we brought these today I saw those there if the meeting be but you
got enough for a 5 hour meeting there I think need them unfortunately Patrick said that's not allowed he's got three items on the agenda the other day two of them continued to we still had a 7h hour meeting H yeah that was take a little
nap I didn't even have any sausages exactly okay like to call them to order like to welcome everybody today if we'll stand for a moment of silence in the Pledge of Allegiance [Music] to the flag of the United States of
America and to the repblic for which it stands one nation God indivisible libery and justice for [Music] all all right if clerk could do the roll call please Mr Jamie gerardi here
Mr Christopher P here Mr John Moody here Mr Matthew Muntz Mr Derek potet here Mr Richard Telo here chairman Charles Greg I'm here thank you and the proof of publication please
the items were advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on January 8th 2025 and February 5th 2025 by affid or certified mailings and site okay okay um have minist approval I think
no no I don't see any all right thank you very much um like to again like to welcome everybody today uh we are the plan commission we're appointed by the board of County Commissioners we meet twice monthly we serve as a local planning agency and we
hold public hearings and transmit to the board of County Commissioners recommendations on comprehensive plan amendments Land devel Development code amendments um reings and conditional use requests plan commission is the final
decisionmaking body for special exceptions certain appeals variance requests and certain alternative standard requests however final decisions may be may be appealed to the board of G Commissioners if anyone has an
opposition to any comprehensive plan Amendment any development code Amendment resoning conditional use or any item where the Planning Commission transmits a recommendation to the board of County Commissioners it's important for you to attend the appropriate Board
of County Commission meeting those of you not familiar with the format of our meetings we have three segments where we we may have continuances requested consent items or they'll be on
the regular item agenda it's been our custom to approve uh continuance requests unless there's extenda circumstances and uh consent items will go through one at a time as we go through the consent items if there's anything on consent that you'd like to
have heard uh please feel free to raise your hand and we'll pull it off consent and have it discussed when we discuss the regular items and those are the items that will be fully vetted today questions and
answers applicants will have uh five minutes to um to make their presentation and concerned citizens will have three minutes each to uh come up and state their concerns and then following the presentation the applicant will have an
opportunity to come up and answer any of those questions that were raised for m members of the audience if there's been a request at least 24 hours prior to this meeting in writing for extra time that may have been granted in my recollection I don't
think there was Mr Divine is that right correct Mr chair thank you so this is a good time for any of us who have phones and that's probably everybody here uh please put them on the silent position so they won't interrupt
uh the meeting as we're moving through and before we start the regular meeting we're we'd like to open the meeting for any public comment on any items that are not appearing on the agenda today uh so if there's anyone here that
wants to speak to something that's not on today's agenda uh this would be your time to do it is anybody here for that purpose okay so there being none uh i' like for
everybody anybody plans to give testimony today please stand raise your right hand and be [Music] sworn you swear testimony about to give Tru help God all right thank you okay Mr
Divine thank you Mr chair and I'll also um note that we don't have a new body registered on WebEx to speak on any of the items thank you very much yep to begin with um pc1 PD again Liam Divine Planning Development economic growth Department pc1 pde
25776 n it's a zoning amendment in the name of mir's 4 LLC the request is to continue the item to March 20th Planning Commission meeting in Newport Richie at 1:30 p.m. okay what I'm going to do is I'm going
to go through these individually this time because there's some comments I believe on some of these I'm going to be abstaining from voting on pc1 and PC2 because I'm providing services to those applicants
okay so you want to approve these separately then are all at once he's abstaining from both so we still probably do them together okay all right so then let's go to the next one PC2 PC2 pde 25-cu 01 it's a condition use
request in the name of CNM low limited partnership and Port Hudson Marina LLC Old Dixie Highway Marina this is coming a request to continue the item to the March 20th um Planning Commission meeting in Newport Richie at 1:30 p.m. uh that's you said March 20th March
20th for that one and for PC one as well okay all right is the applicant present anyone here to object okay Mr chair move to continue items pc1 PC2 to March 20th in Newport Richie
second okay we have motion a second any further discussion all in favor signify by saying I I OPP like sign okay Mr Cher If we can jump out of order a little bit for P10 mhm this one was advertised as a
regular item it's pde 25784 a special exception um request in the name of BDI properties us LLC tle Wells Road um this is um was on your agenda and staff is going to request
that the item be continued to the March 6 meeting in Dade City at 1:30 p.m. all right is the applicant present anybody here to object I I would just like to note on record this item was previously presented once before at Planning
Commission there was an objector named Steven Stanley we have reached out to him and he knows it would be continued today and it will be going to the March 6 meeting all right great okay have a motion move second motion and second any further discussion
not all in favor signify by saying I I post like sign the next item on the list is PC3 pde 25- 7848 it's a special exception in the name of 52 Properties LLC TR iCal board in RV um storage
sr52 it's for a freestanding RV and Boat Storage in i1 light and dustrial Park District um it's located on the south side of State red 52 approximately 340 ft east of bman Brothers Boulevard this is coming with a request um for
recommendation actually a request to approve the item with conditions as provided in your agenda packet all right the applicant present anybody here to have
ja okay next pc4 pde 25- 7855 it's a zoning amendment in the name of Gustavo a and Angelina tro umland Lando Lakes retail it's a change in zoning from AR agricultural residential district to C2
General commercial District it's on the north side of State Road 54 approximately 1,20 ft west of Wilson Road containing approximately 1.59 Acres the recommendation is to to um make a recommendation for approval with the voluntary deed restrictions as provided
in your agenda packet okay the applicant present anyone here to object Liam I got one question on that one yep is the looks like this is only for resoning of a part of the parcel correct 1.59 Acres I believe that is the
whole parcel it's right up on the reason I'm asking the question is there's a survey included as an attachment to the agenda the whole parcel is 7.35 Acres 5.42 Acres of that is Wetlands if you go down to the background section it says 1.93 Acres so
I'm assuming the 1.93 is correct but I just wanted clarification sorry yes you are correct there is um and maybe your zoning visuals will actually show it um it is only a partial of the it's just the frontage on State Road 54 the back half is actually conservation lands
because it is a wetland um and I believe they just recently went through and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong through a comprehensive plan amendment to do so David is it clear enough the way it's written because there's this conflict in the acreage I I just wanted to clarify I didn't want him to get stuck later
um I believe so I mean is the applicant here they can speak to the conflict the applicant present he raised his hand in the back his can you come forward please for a second excuse me but just for the record we are just rezoning the front portion
1. it's the front okay yes if you would for the record please state your name and address afternoon hush North Side engineering 300 South Bel Road Clear Water for in okay and uh so do you can you give us the exact uh uh size of the
property um the uh as as uh it was described earlier uh the land encompasses uh Upland closer to 54 and wetland in the back so I believe the front portion that's Upland is 1.59
acres and and where did you come where did you say 1.91 1.93 is in the background and I believe if you do the math I think the 1.93 is correct because the survey that's included as exhibit a the legal
description go the Wetland in the back is 5.42 Acres so I believe there might be some discrepancy from the background write up petition that's the general um abbreviation it says 1.93 and then in the subject line it says
1.59 um I'm not really sure where that discrepancy is coming from and then it also States in finding a fact number one I won't read it but I'll read the sentence the remainder acreage is 5.53 um so I believe there might be some confusion in the acreage but we will
double check the actual survey that will be just the front portion that is not part of the conservation and make those Corrections okay yeah I have no opposition I just wanted to point out I just ask the question and get clarification for the applicant thank you sir than okay and there is there anybody
here to object no okay so that was pc4 moving on to pc5 I believe we have people registered to speak on the item so that item will be pulled okay um we also for pc6 which is
is the companion resoning to that we have individuals registered to speak on that one so that item will be pulled as well okay pc7 you'll be sitting as the local planning agency it's a comprehens uh it's pc7 pde
25-70 it's a comprehensive plan Amendment um CPA 242 in the name of HCA Bayonet Point PD providing for a cons comprehensive plan Amendment of the future land use maps 2-15 in sheet three changing from Ro
retail office residential and res 6 residential six dwelling units per acres to PD plan development on approximately 62.9 a Acres of real property located in the east and west side of 5A Road at the southeast corner of the intersection of 5A Road and Hudson Avenue and a text
Amendment creating a sub error policy flu 7.1.3 HCA Bayonet Point PD and a map Amendment to the Future land use map of 2-9 adding the sub area policy 2- 983 HCA bayet Point PD where the
recommendation is coming forward with that that the local planning agency finds the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan okay Mr chair I've got a conflict on both pc7 and PC8 so if you want to handle those separately
yeah okay so that the conflicts are not noted on pc7 and PC8 so I will read PC8 PCA pde 25779 it's a zoning amendment in the
name of HCA Bayonet Point MP master plan unit development HCA Health Services of Florida Inc a resoning request from C1 neighborhood commercial mf2 multif family high density residential district and MF I mean mpud master plan unit
development zoning District um to a MPD master plan unit development to allow for the development of 600,000 square fet of Hospital 200,000 square fet of medical office and 50,000 square feet of retail uses and approximately 62.9 a
acres in the West Market area and this is coming with a recommendation approval with conditions as provided in your packet all right applicant is uh applicant present anyone here to object
okay for pc9 we have some housekeeping before I begin on that um was an additional expar um between the applicant and expar communication with the applicant and commissioner starky I believe it has already been provided to the clerk's office but I wanted to note it because it was not provided in your agenda
packet M um pc9 pde 25- 7813 a zoning amendment in the name of ano town home MPD lar homes LLC it's a rezoning request from AC agricultural district and AR agricultureal residential
district to mpud master plan unit development District to allow for the development of 190 Town Homes um town home dwelling dwelling units and Associated infrastructure and approximately 46.3 Acres located in the South South Western Pasco
County and this is coming with a recommendation for approval with conditions as provided in your agenda packet okay applicants present anyone here to object okay I guess we have to pull that one
that was the last item on your consent agenda P1 will be presented okay all right do I have a motion to approve I'll move continuance of PC3 I'm I'm sorry not continuance I'll
approve yet approve the okay that's that's okay no problem Pro I'll move to um approve the consent agenda of PC3 pc4 um and pc9 P pull I'm sorry pc9 is being
pulled pc7 pc7 or separate I can't vote on seven and eight yeah pc9 is not being pulled yeah it is it is she raised her hand last minute okay so then I move um um approval of the consent agenda PC3 PC
4 second we'll got there eventually okay we do have a motion finally and second any further discussion on the motion not all in favor signify by saying I I OPP like
sign okay motion carries and we'll move to approve items pc7 and PC8 on the consent agenda second okay we have a motion and second any further discussion of the motion it was noted that Chris you those
are the ones you yes sir yeah I can't vote on use yourself from okay okay so we have a motion and second further discussion all in favor I by saying I I like sign okay okay we took action on the
continuances right we did we have pc5 pc6 and pc9 and pc1 okay okay so we're back to pc5 is that right true story yes [Applause]
sir excuse me Mr chairman members of the LPA my name is Ed zodan I'm with the planning Services Department the matter before you if I can get it up here is the proposed comprehensive plan
Amendment CPAs 2323 for the little road Amendment this is a comprehensive plan alment from res one residential one dwelling unit for gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 7.83 Acres
located about 495 ft north of the intersection excuse me of Jasmine Road and Jasmine Boulevard and little road and there is an accompanying mud as well just a few notes this item is consistent with the development pattern in the area
the concept plan does demonstrate pedestrian connectivity vehicle interconnects as well as employment generating uses the plan specifically provides for the commercial to be located in the front fronting on Little Road with 23
town homes that are maximum of two stories in the rear I can't operate this here we go excuse me as you see it's it is located in the embassy District of the West Market area and in urban service area the West
Market area is consistent with the concept since it's is providing mixed uses the urban service area does permit more intense development which is occurring here and the embassy District speak speaks to creating neighborhoods with compelling spaces in this case if you've
seen the site plan the developer has proposed that there will be Street scenes in the center lane between the two commercial buildings that the residents from the town houses would attend and that would provide for
interactions the context map is serving a couple purposes in this case Bally demonstrates that the property fronts on Little Road which is a 145 ft RightWay arterial Road the
um the blue area that's on the map was just approved on December 10th by the board of County Commissioners changing its future land use to Comm which is consistent with the comp plan that it would front on an arterial the new maps
were just generated today so they'll be substituted in the package and there are sidewalks of trails as you can see Transportation Network providing access to this as I said it's an arch
Road the existing flu is res one the proposed future land use is PD and the Zoning for this location currently is er our position is that it is consistent
with the comp plan uh with the PD proposal it does provide for the transitional land uses the location for the commercial development on the arterial as well as the West Market area and we are recommending that the local
planning agency find this consistent with the comp plan and I'm delighted to answer any questions I can Mr chair yes um it's really up to the Planning Commission but you may want to consider opening the public hearing
for the related MPD which is I believe pc6 um if you're amenable to doing that you probably need to get let staff do the presentation on the MPD as well before you take the applicants comments and public comment okay or you can do
two separate public hearings if you want but but it's really up to the planning commiss together yeah okay thank you head good afternoon Planning Commission this is Robert uring with the Planning Development and economic growth
Department all right so the item before you today is the little road mpud it's pde 27721 and here's a location map generally located on the west side of the county within commission District 4 and this proposal is a zoning
Amendment from ER State residential district to mpud master plan unit development to allow for the development of 23 town home units and 32,42 ft of commercial on 7.83 Acres um this is located on the east side of little road approximately 500t
North the intersection of Little Road in Jasmine Boulevard so here's the location map and you'll you'll see to the north is the learning Lodge Academy at Public k38 Charter School and to the South is the four vacant Parcels that recently approved recently had the Comm approved
on the land use as my colleague previously mentioned and here's the zoning map the existing zoning is er State residential the existing zoning would allow for a total of 8 to units the proposed 23 Town Homes equates to a density of 2.94 dwelling units per acre equating to a
density increase of 1.94 dwelling units the proposed land uses PD is presented prior to this and here's a context map um and as my colleague mentioned those four Parcels directly south that
are highlighted received a calm flu on 1210 2024 and are currently seeking a rezoning the C1 neighborhood General commercial district and directly across the street at the northwest corner of little and Jasmine there's an existing Walgreens with a C1 zoning
District so here you'll see the master plan and you'll see the 34,42 Ft of commercial located on the western portion with the 23 town homes on the Eastern portion um just to note as well the applicant will be required to construct a 265 foot Northbound right turn lane at
the Project's access onto Little Road and there will also be interconnects provided to the North and South as proposed um so here's the binding concept plan so The Binding concept plan shows the commercial buildings brought up to the frontage of little road with the parking shielded behind the
commercial development with also on street parking to the north and south of both of the buildings um they're broken down into 17,22 ft per building with pedestrian access to the commercial development from the residential units and the 23 town homes are broken into three
different typicals uh type 1 and three have one unit that is 30 ft in width and one that is 49 in width and type three just switches these just depending on which side the second typical is for the three unit product
type with the with 49 foot of width for the eastern and western most units and 30t for the unit in the middle um the town home units town home buildings will be limited to three units per building and shall not exceed two stories in height
uh Additionally the applicant received round one comments prior to the issuance of PM 26 however the applicant has agreed to the applicable standards of PM 26 and the conditions of approval the applicant seeks A variation from LDC Section 91.6 d11 Street design
dedication this is to not provide an interconnect to the east PD is is in agreement with this variation as it meets the intent of the code as there are existing single family homes abutting the subject site to the East and make it not feasible for an interc nection to the East and the applicant is providing interconnections to the north
and south of the subject site and this comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions I'm available if you have any questions any questions uh have a question yeah just uh concerning that connection to the north with the school there I'm just wondering if that's going
to hinder the U pickup and drop off and just think about that maybe yeah absolutely we actually walked out on the site and there is an existing fence so they would definitely have to coordinate with the Learning Academy and figure out how that would work sorry I see your
hand but we're not ready for you yet okay and I think the applicant may be able to speak to that better yeah just as you know because when in the pickup lines it gets long and so just it's circul of CC and if they have that connection there it might you know mess
things up with their circulation so just to keep in mind thank you anything else okay I don't see anybody the applicant present thank you the applicant
[Music] presid good afternoon my name is Michael Hoffman um I am here representing Advanced engineering uh on behalf of the owner client U Michael I'm sorry we need
your uh address as well 10,9 Gallant Lane 34 33625 and you've been sworn you've been sworn yes uh during the opening great yes thank you go
ahead okay uh now I had some charts I don't know if um those are available who did you provide those to just so we know um yeah they were provided to our contact Mr chair I believe we have them
we're just opening them up virtually thank you Liam while we wait for the charts to come up I guess I'll just proceed with some comments to accelerate the schedule the um as may have already been stated the proposed Little Road mixed use
development seeks a rezoning from estate residential ER to a Master Plan development mpud and a comprehensive plan Amendment from res one to to a PD to allow for mixed use development on 7.83 acres here in Pascal
County the surrounding vicinity has a current zoning of estate residential to the north east and partial of to the South along with professional office to the South and a planned unit development to
the West the future land use in the vicinity consists of residential one to the north east and Southeast res residential 6 to the West the southwest corner was recently
approved for a change to commercial here recently in December 2024 this uh in our opinion supports our request for the front portion of our proposal here uh to be commercial and and the reason I I kind
of wanted to wait for the slides because the vision for this property I think is very compelling uh when you when those slides come up okay but I will proceed um the development consists of
34452 square ft of commercial component that's on the front portion of the property and 23 residential units in a mix of Triplex and duplex Villas the project commercial component is allowed up to
80% and a density of 5.27 dwell units per gross acre the property to the west across the street has a future land use designation of residential six which allows for six dwelling units per gross acre and
therefore our proposed density of 5.27 duus per acre uh is consistent with the surrounding area Okay so this is the first chart chart and this kind of illustrates uh you're looking looking East from Little road on
the left you see um on the left on the right you see two commercial buildings you you come into the site there's a center driveway that then takes you to the back portion which is the residential portion and you also see some charts illustrating circulation to
the right and around in a counterclockwise manner but this kind of uh illustrates the front entry of the property next chart please okay so I've already articulated uh showing the the location of the property the 7.83 Acres
the uh existing zoning ER and the future land use resz one and naturally um we're requesting I've already articulated uh what we're requesting with the mpud uh next chart
please so so this plan view once again you know we have Tri five Triplex buildings and four duplex buildings 23 total town home Villas the 34,000 ft but the compelling part of this chart shows
the circulation of the traffic the parking behind the commercial buildings and then as you enter into the residential area there's a a retention pond in the middle that will mitigate and be conform with uh all the storm Water Management District
requirements there's going to be a landscape buffer all around the perimeter so that there's no um concerns uh with with the uh related residents the the these are twostory Villas we initially started with three
stories and we reduced them to two stories um to address privacy concerns uh with the adjacent properties and so one one other thought here is our vision too is that for example on a on a weekend you could you
could shut off the middle port portion in the commercial area and have art festivals or other community events but you could still retain the circulation around the outer perimeter of the commercial section for for vehicles to circulate next chart
please this is just another visual of that same type of U entryway you know we we feel that this uh live Eat Shop play reside concept you
know to enhance um more walking in community uh I think is uh very beneficial for this area next chart please so this view is now you're you're standing in one corner of the residential area here again uh to
enhance the view the um the different Villas uh there are two two Villa buildings and three Villa buildings so that helps accentuate the Aesthetics of the front there's also some of them are side loaded versus
front loaded once again to add to the diversity of the front elevation views in the center you see the pond um and you see the sidewalk going around the entire perimeter so we've done our very best to make this a very appealing
project next next chart please so this talks to the the West Market area um visions and mission statements and if you think about uh what those vision and mission statements uh indicate I think what we're proposing
here is consistent with everything articulated u in this policy fu 8.1.1 next chart please so this is uh some policies regarding uh the comprehensive plan and
here again um these these different items here lend themselves to what is being proposed next chart please so this is just some additional views to give you different perspectives
uh the parking the the the flow of of the aisles sidewalks the elevation views Etc next chart please just a few more
views so in closing I think uh I think what we're proposing here I think will add a lot of value to this community okay sir did you want to address the question about the interconnect to the school what was the question had any
coordination Mr tanel had asked you about asked staff about the inter connect to the north to the existing school and I think he wanted to know whether that had been coordinated in terms of their drop off pickup what I can tell you is there's a
dedicated right-hand turn lane into this property that should alleviate the traffic flow as you go into as you're driving north along Little Road there uh have we done a specific coordination with that property I I
can't say he's not asking about the turn Lanes off a little he's asking about the intercon your site plan is showing I realize you probably did it because the code requires but you're showing an inter interconnect from your project to the north to the
school and I think Mr Chanel's question is is that going to inter interfere with the drop off and pickup for the school I don't believe it is I don't see how it would because the the amount of traffic going in and out have you had any discussions with
the school about coordinating that interconnect I have not but I can okay it'd be important there's also the fact that they have to close the you know for security we close the gates during the day so that would be another issue that we'd have to keep that
closed I mean I'm all for interconnects I think it's a great idea but in some places they don't work and I think in this case if if you look at the area of this you can see where they have the traffic flow with the air with the arrows at the school wouldn't they be walk I mean when they walk on the sidewalk it's like
literally next door yeah they'd walk for sure but if there's an interconnect you know like some parents don't want to wait in that long line so they'll come into the apartment complex they'll Park a there somewhere the kids will walk that don't live there we've had this issue before at other places and
just want to prevent that so so we're specifically talking about that pedestrian access there's a vehicular interconnect vular interconnect at the northwest corner
sir I think what that Arrow was there you go yeah that's a good one right there yeah so so that was put in there because of typical you know right requirements yep uh so are you suggesting that we take
that out I don't think Mr Kel was any suggesting you take it out I think his question was had you coordinated at all with the school to make sure it wasn't interfering with their drop off and pickup I have not specifically coordinated that with the school but I can do
that and see what their preference is operationally and we want to make a change then and I'll get with you too afterwards and we can give my email and we can coordinate that too yeah we know you probably only added it because the code required it so right that's right
yep okay any other and honestly when you think about the functionality right if you have some kids in in this in this residential area do you really need a driveway through there they're going to walk to school or the parents going to drop them off at a a walkth through so
the purpose of that being a actual drive a I believe is unnecessary well the difficulty we have here is we don't you didn't seek an all I mean you could have actually sought an Al or variation to not do that interconnect just like you did to the
east you part of your application said you weren't going to interconnect to the east you apparently didn't do that to the north so we don't I didn't realized it was going to be an issue honestly but but if it's a concern we can go back and and see what
their preference would be I guess we'll figure out if it's an issue during site plan was that when it would be looked at well I mean they in theory could um seek A variation at the time of site
plan approval yeah um but the problem is this is a binding concept plan oh so that binding concept plan is showing that interconnect yeah yeah so it's going to be problematic to then remove
it at the time of cine approval okay so what this addressed today yeah I mean in theory the applicant could as for LDC VAR his LDC variation to include that not interconnecting to the north too but I haven't heard
whether he wants to do that or not maybe we need to see what the public comment is first one alternative to to keep flexibility we could put a gate there and if we decide that we want that to go away we just close the lock the gate well let's let's listen to the public
comment and then you can come back up and couple questions for you notes if I might have you looked at the flooding on the property so what we would do is we're going to be designing to Swift Mud
requirements okay that will address uh the retention of the water that that comes on our property and then properly uh treat it and and dispose of it has staff made you aware
of the Timber Oaks Basin of special concern I'm aware to the north and to the east there's a a low-lying area Okay so this site lies in a basin the Count's designated this area as a basin of
special concern and the storm water requirements are much more stringent than that required by the Water Management District in fact they more closely mirror the do's requirements but I wanted to note out
note that in the memorandum it indicates the sites located in flood zone X which FEMA would say is not a flood zone but if you look at the Swift Mud flood plane map view where Swift Mud has
literally a third of this property especially down in the northeast corner and up along Little Road designated as flood planes so my concern here is is that I don't want to exacerbate the flooding problems already experienced by the neighborhood and I can tell you that
the school next door has been flooded ever since the hurricane there's still got water over there so that would be a concern for me so my mitigation on that and there is a uh like you said there is a small area
to the Northeast that is technically Wetlands we would have to mitigate that but but the uh the the the idea with that Center pond is to collect any runoff that occurs on our property so that it does not affect
the adjacent properties I understand that what I'm getting at is I'm not sure you're aware of the extent of the flood plane on the property because the FEMA maps are not necessarily accurate that's the Swift Mud map that big yellow
splotch that's your site there's a sub substantive amount of flood planes and there is a flooding problem in the area and the C's recognized that particular storm water basin as an area of concern what I'm not seeing in your binding concept plan and
I David I bring this up in the discussion of binding concept plan in that I'm not sure the amount of storm water shown on that plan is going to be even remotely close enough to deal with the flood
plane mitigation that's going to be required and then the additional drainage requirement to meet the to meet the criteria for the Basin of special concern so we're going to end up with a concept plan that or a final plan that
may not exactly resemble this quote binding concept plan that and I expressed a similar concern when we had the Tall Timbers mpud the same thing when we talked about The Binding concept plan and that I
didn't think there was the likelihood that the plan was actually going to get developed like that due to the Wetland issues on that project and I that same issue here I'm GNA have to let Mr petto or Mr Engle address that issue I mean I don't
know to what there is a condition that allows some deviations from what's on the bonding concept plan I don't know if it's broad enough that if they needed to put a much bigger Pond for example that took out all the town homes
I don't know if that's of deviation by by way of example in the northeast corner of the project there's a substantive amount of mapped flood plane which means they're going to have to elevate those structures up above the flood elevation and they're going to be
fill and then they're going to have to mitigate for that flood lost flood plane volume and they're going to have to provide all the additional storm water so we're not going to end up with what we see on this plan it's not something that I think is a
slight variation my concern is that it is a major variation and I'm not sure how we if it's enough of a deviation I think the condition requires it to go come back to the Planning Commission on the board that's what I'm trying to ask I just don't know you know for example if they lost two town home units if that's
enough of a deviation that did it would that's something I'm going to have to fer the staff on to see whether they that's enough of a deviation that tell you just look at the storm water Pond for the Walgreens at the corner the northwest corner at Jasmine and little and that'll give you an idea of
the storm water retention requirement just to deal with the timber Oaks Basin of special concern let alone I mean I guess I'll ask enation his staff looked at into our storm water department looked at whether this Pond is a sufficient size
to comply with Basin of special concern standards I mean I see a condition that says that there is a condition 34 that says that if it's an abase and a special concern that they shall comply with those standards yeah I understand that whether this binding concept plan is
sufficient to do that I I can't answer that's a staff question but it doesn't sound like the applicant understood that that was an issue in this particular location I mean well I guess we could also ask the applicant do you know whether this Pawn is adequate to comply with Bas and
special concern standards we would have to do more analysis to to quantify and address Mr Moody's concern if hypothetically it was the pawn was insufficient to comply with the standards what would you remove from this plan we would to his point we would have
to increase inre the amount of retention area and it it may be that we lose uh one or two buildings in that corner and leave that unaltered that could be a solution right because now I'm not
altering that part of the well it might I it it might and I understand the issue here for me is that we have a quote binding concept plan and so I'm concerned that we may
not get what we're being presented so the condition there's a condition that deals with extent to which it's binding it does allow staff to approve some deviations as long as the substantive intent of the plan is achieved that's why I said I'm going to
defer to staff if they lost two Town Homes if if that's enough of a deviation that that it would require to come back to the Planning Commission on the board I this is this is one of those issues where the condition reads basically
staff gets to call it as they see it so I'm going to let staff answer that question Mr chairman nario Pito Planning Development economic growth yes ch um it would not be uh the loss of two buildings would
not necessarily force a substantial modification to the mpud Terry at what level would it force a substantial modification I I think if they're changing the product type and
moving away from town homes to say you know recover the building type by putting apartments on there theoretically um that would be considered a substantial modification understood what if they lost some of the commercial would that be
substantial uh I don't think so because there would be a reduction in intensity but if they lost all the commercial then it would because we're talking about a the comprehensive plan on the comprehensive plan side it would be a plan development which requires a mix of uses so then we would be talking
about a much bigger bigger project review any answer your question Mr Moody yeah anybody else the only thing I want to caution the Planning Commission is you were shown some architectural renderings for this project those are not binding on the applicant I want to
be clear that you all understand that what is binding subject to the limitations we just talked about is The Binding concept plan not the architectural elevation gotcha okay all right thank you and uh I
have an opportunity to come back up and answer questions so you might want to take some notes when they come come up to speak thank you thank you all right do you have your list I do Mr chair the first person I have on the list is Alan Rose
Alan welcome if you give your name and address please yes good afternoon Alan Rose 10221 Hilltop Drive Newport bridie I have presentation for the committee you'd like to submit it yes sir Mo to receiving file before we do that before we vote on it what exactly are you
asking us to look at this is a petition to deny this resing but petitioned by who by Golden Acres Community and surrounding surrounding homeowners I have 100 signatures is that's what you're submitting to us
yes okay have a motion and that second further discussion all in favor signify by saying I I like sign thank you all right welcome thank you thank you so we as a community are objecting
to the rezoning of parcel ID number 13-25 d1600 4- 000000001 1511 1521 currently Zone Dr to uh new zoning
mpud with 34,42 ft of commercial plus 23 twostory Town Homes every prop every property abing this property abing this parcel on the south side is part of
Golden Acre ERS with strict land covenants and all other uh properties budding this property are all zoned er a developer is is uh petitioning to rezone this to hide I I know it's mpud but it's
still at that step parcel I considered it to be high density commercial the last one that was approved that everybody noticed was approved was reduced from C2 to C1 we don't have a problem with that going to C1 C2 there was a problem and I was willing to go to the next step because it it we do have
land covenants and we we can proceed with that after what I found out at the at the board of County Commissioners if we fail with this and it proceeds on it becomes a civil matter and we have to say Sue now my question is do we sue the county for changing the zoning or do we
sue the developer anyway that's beyond the point uh Jasmine from Lake View West 3 miles there are zero high density commercial properties all residential and one Pharmacy and that one's going to
close little road from Grove Street to Star Trail another three miles there are zero high density commercial properties one doctor office serving the community several residential and
agricultural owners a school a Veterinary and a church this developer is looking to bring death and Carnage to our community just like already exists on Little Road between Grove South to King Haley
Boulevard just pull police records to see this most recently two weeks ago last uh on a Thursday two dead and multiple car accidents all in the same time but it happens regularly from
Grove South Grove uh South Grove North is nothing like that you put a development like this in here and you're going to bring a lot of Carnage to our neighborhood and we and you're going to also cause us to lose a lot of value in our properties
um so uh just I've submitted signatures Property Owners throughout the neighborhood wanted you to know we strongly object to this also what's not been mentioned I know different water subjects have been mened this is also over an impaired water basin similar to
that go to DP and find out what happens when a developer wants to develop over an impair water water basin um then he has not maintained this property well at all every week we have kids riding their dirt bikes and
different things different usages everybody's playing a playground out there but it's killing our go gopher tortoises there are shells for gopher tortoises you'll see because they've been hit because somebody has not maintained access to their property properly and um that's basically a motor
speedway going on there regularly so we went over the C1 of the C2 that that property that was rezoned is a C1 and that's a lot better than the C2 had we gone C2 I sir I want you to make sure you understand something I'm looking at the conditions of approval for this
MPD and it's only allowing C1 uses okay well I did you were you aware of that or no but the thing is you see his buildings that's like he says there's going to be no access to the east through the back yet I guarantee you after he's settled in you're going
to see that access road go through the hilltop and they're going to dump in from Little Road and dump out on Hilltop not in this plan I know he's agreed to certain stipulations but I also know he's going to have that and he's going to need that because he's going to have real problem on Little
Road and that's what I have for you we we strongly object to this resoning and you I'm going to lose my property value I'm going to go probably from 700,000 to 500,000 there a million dollar Homestead is right around this AB budding this property you know what what that's going
to do to a million dooll Homestead now he's got people looking in the our Homestead owners are going to have people looking in their back windows sir where's your home at I'm on Hilltop Drive 10221 and I hear I have hear the motor Motorsports complex going on over at his
place all the time what in your petition you talk about high density commercial what's your what's your perception of high density commercial what does that mean
we don't have a zoning category like that in the county I understood you didn't seem to have an objection with C1 uses over C2 uses but what do you mean by the high density the high density is going to bring a lot more commercial traffic into our community when you do
C1 it's going to be a mild diversion and it's not going to be that dense you do see2 and you're going to have a lot more traffic so so your your issues the difference between C2 uses and C1 uses and I see the way he's developing this
that commercial part is going to dump a dramatic amount of traffic into our neighborhood and we don't have that we already have too much traffic as it is we're not our roads aren't built to handle this additional traffic that's going to happen okay and and the flooding you
mentioned it floods it floods it floods across excuse me sir yes let me ask the question if this zoning were limited to C1 uses the commercial part of it would you be objecting to the commercial portion of this project from what I what I see right now
yes because of his his intentions wait a minute I'm confused CU you just said five minutes ago that if it was C1 you wouldn't object so now you're saying you would object yeah that was the other property and that's where we were I we were we've been good with that going to
C1 from the C2 so are you saying C1 would wouldn't be acceptable on this C1 would be acceptable as long as there's it's not going to be dumping into into our neighborhood but there's no proposal to connect to your neighborhood and actually weren't they asking for a variation not to have to connect they're
actually not they're seeking to not connect to the east I understand that and then 6 months to a year after he's completed who's going to come in and ask for a varians I mean the same owner does own that easement that connects to Hilltop but yeah well to be clear if he's going to live by this binding
concept plan it's not shown any connection to the east okay and you'll also see I've given you also a copy of the land covenants that are in there to our to our neighborhood and just consider that are you suggesting that this property is bound by your private
deed restriction I have to really re research that property a little bit more a little bit further but I do believe the connecting properties are all are all under that code and this is what I learned on last time and this time so do you have the complete set of covenants
for Golden Acres and I'll tell you why I'm asking the question okay many many years ago 20 plus years ago I worked for the developer that did the Walgreens at the northwest corner of Jasmine and
little and at the time one of the issues were the covenants over Golden Acres and to make a long story story short we ended up in a suit for quiet title to
have the commercial deed restriction lifted but these covenants would now be more than David more than 30 years old and have most likely expired uh no they unless they've been renewed do you know if they've been renewed well that's what
it says it says 35 years expires and then third every 10 years thereafter without objection it renews yeah I think there there there's some requirements in a Marty that you do have to renew deed restrictions after a period of time but I don't really want to be rendering legal opinions on the
enforceability of a private deed restriction I mean I they need to consult their own private attorney about whether those private D restrictions are enforcable on this property or not I'm just asking what he's asserting are you are you asserting
that this property that the the subject to this MPD is restricted to something less intense under P your private DCT he's saying it's going to be C1 you're you're admitting C1 C1 as we stand we
should be acceptable but it it's going to be on that border and you know if we agree if you if you agree and pass this I'm going to request that you change Hilltop Drive to one way from Grove to Jasmine to keep that traffic out of my neighborhood you didn't answer his
question David if I can answer the question my recollection was that the covenants and restrictions in force in the various units of Golden Acres restricted commercial prohibited commercial development I think that's the assertion he's trying to make now
whether they're enforceable or not I have no idea but yeah it also it also prohibited well that would have came up in the last case we had also prohibited mobile homes that's why they zoned it ER and not and that would have came up in the last case we heard in December of
the four Parcels to the South as well yeah I mean Planning Commission you know zoning and private DED restrictions are two different things I mean so is nothing preventing you from zoning something in a way that may be inconsistent with the private deed restrictions
I I me it's a factor you can probably take into account but I'm not even clear that's why I asked the question are they asserting that it's inconsistent with the private deed restrictions or not is and it's also inconsistent with the surrounding neighborhood as we sit right
now it is not close to anything I'm not asking whether you think it's compatible I'm asking whether you think it's a violation of your private deed restriction yes okay and I think that's been the position of uh people living in Gold I
guess we'll let the app respond to that we'll let the app respond to that assertion according to County Commissioners with the legal team next to them when I when I posed the last time I had went to the County Commissioners and legal says if it's approved it then becomes a civil matter and we have to P pursue it I agree that
it is civil matter I I just want to know what your position is so we can have the applicant respond to it yes okay but but for what it's worth regarding the the part portion that connects between this parcel and Hilltop Drive it's not part
of this application and it doesn't show on The Binding concept plan oh so it's so which is again it's a binding concept plan so so that would be a substantial if they wanted to interconnect that would be a substantial modification that binding concept plan
they probably would do it without a problem after well again but they would have to go through this whole process again if they did that through this whole process so as as of now there's no connection that's been applied for that's connects to Hilltop Drive can I try to help you sure so I'm speaking to the zoning portion of this
discussion I'll probably ask the county attorney for some help in clarifying here when we're looking at the zoning we don't get to consider your allegations or your your allegations regarding the
developers intent if you can come up here and state facts and you can support those facts we can take those facts into consideration in making a decision but the law requires us to make the decision based on the facts I can't
make it on some speculation so I'm going to ask you to I know you're suspicious but your suspicions aren't going to sway the decision we made make okay understood but the community as a whole does not
want to see this happen the surrounding neighboring properties not one wants to see this happen and you have the signatures to verify that so he's bringing something to you that is in total disregard to the neighboring communities thank you thank
you Mr chair the next person I have on the list is Robert Cher Jerry my name is Robert Jerell 9231 Jasmine Boulevard Newport Richie 34654 my property is directly south of where this is going what I am thoroughly
and utterly concerned about here is that my property floods now okay I talked to Swift Mud yesterday my donkey's pasture my horse's pasture is at 15.2 ft I've lived there I've lived in this community for 50 1 years
I've been in Golden Acres since 1999 I am extremely extremely bothered by this plan you're going to put twostory tow houses above my property looking down I paid
$675,000 for this in 2007 do you think my what you can figure out when my house is worth now do you think this is going to hurt my house value nobody will want to buy my house with this community right next to me I bought it specifically because I had another house in Tanglewood East at the corner of
Tanglewood Drive in Sweet Bay and I had miniature donkeys and horses and my animals were getting harassed people were trying to feed them and trying to so I bought this property so it limited the exposure of my animals we rescue horses we have a rescue home
home uh rehoming site for horses and we have three miniature donkeys I've had for 24 years and I am extremely bothered by this as you guys can quite imagine and my neighbors are all bothered by this the the the the
people the I'm sorry I'm this is emotional for me because this is going to cost me and my neighbors dearly it's going to diminish my value of my house it's going to change my whole quality of life and I'm going to tell you this right now I spoke to some neighbors here today and almost all my neighbors that
are budding up to this property are going to have to sell including myself because I don't want to live next to this I live in an agricultural Community that's why hes that's why I have donkeys that's why I have goats that's why I have dogs that's why I have cats and we live there because I live in a park I
have Hawks that come down I have everything that you could want in a park it's Golden Acres guys I've lived in this community for 51 years I'm an active part of this community and I'm not happy that this is even being considered because this is er we didn't
buy that none of us bought this property thinking oh we're going to have a gigantic development next to us with twostory buildings looking down my property nobody thought this and I know you guys listen my dad worked for penel County zoning for 20 years I know how hard it is for you guys to do what you're doing and we do appreciate it but
please reach down deep and put yourself in our position you guys got a 100 signatures once last to get 100 signatures for anything the whole neighborhood is objecting to this I'm going to give you guys an example the the owner the property owner won't even block his
property off right now FWC has told me to days ago that they have a permit to remove the go to mitigate the Gopher uh protected gopher turtles right we're finding dead gopher turtles everywhere because they won't shot they won't shut their property down and it's our if you
guys went out there I implore you go out to this property and look at it there are 6 foot ruts people are taking four-wheel drive trucks everything you can imagine out there and they're killing the turtles there's 11 or 12 Turtle holes out there that we know of please excuse me I'm sorry but I'm
just this is really really frustrating Robert Robert your your time is exped I'm sorry sorry let's see if anybody has any questions for you Robert let's see if any has any questions for you I'm sorry anybody can I just say one my property floods my property floods in the where
are you located on this I'm on I'm right I'm directly south I'm right there okay yeah that's me see that but do you see the the corner the left corner that's my donkey's pasture that butts up against this property right I will tell you guys right now if you look
at this map you see where it comes out the Jasmine Boulevard I've been there for 17 years seven occasions it flooded so badly that the water went through Jasmine Boulevard and connected to the lake and pond on the other side of Jasmine it was a flowing river that's
how bad the flooding is right now during during Hurricane usually we get the flooding Late July early Janu Late July and August this year we had start then it didn't even end until after the storms I literally and the only way I
think that happened is the you guys were talking about the mitigation up in uh Timber Pines I think they were pumping that and it brought down it Robert you're way over your time I'm Sor I have to give other people time I got it I got I just ask one question Robert we have one one
question sir I had a question for you sir um I understand you're opposed to the project I'm just going to ask you sure is there any any amount of buffering that this project could put on theth put a 20 foot solid concrete block wall so I don't have to look at it or 15
foot you can think about the just think about this right now just imagine this I have a solid a park there's no light there think about the light pollution think about the 50 to 100 cars going in and out every day think about the two stories of people 25 ft or whatever
looking into my property that road that they're talking about that may happen that's my property line it's going to go right down my property line guys I mean you answer my question if there's a 20 foot block wall it would help I had a quick question too
so the the flooding that you experienced is it there on the uh west side of your property kind of where the pasture is yes okay yes my neighbor and I both experienced flooding this year it was three and a half months of flooding yep so the Deep by the way the mapper that we're we're
looking at which is a separate mapper for uh Swift Mud shows that that area of concern that extends that Mr Moody mentioned before Moody h on the head yeah that that extends to that property also extends to the South there through the West part of your property as well as your neighbors it's so bad I have a
4ot agricultural fence the whole bottom rust it out so years that's how bad it is but likely that flooding is just because that's the that's a natural feature of the lands not necessarily because it's 15.2 ft yeah that's why but think about this when you build that you're going to have to build up for the
flood plane correct yeah GNA get worse that that's my concern too with with the I'm sorry guys please excuse me I'm just emotional about this thank you very much app thank you very much Robert okay Mr chair the next person I
have the on the list is Tyler Sanders all right Tyler welcome hi give your name and address Tyler Tyler Sanders 10515 Hilltop Drive Newport Richie I have the property that's in the back north um east corner right where
he's right there okay so I can reiterate I understand Mr Moody you want facts my property flooded that whole back corner right now I appreciate the developer we went to the developers meeting last year and he was adamant
that this is going to enhance our values right now my house sits up it's literally on Hilltop these properties on the back corner are going to be two stories I appreciate they took it from three down to two but that's still going to be looking in my
backyard my pool right now I have nothing like I mentioned to the developer at the meeting we went to last year if you were going to put seven one acre houses back there there's nothing we could say we're all Zone AE one acre
minimum this is to maximize his profit I thought it was very origal for the developer to mention at the meeting last year that this is going to enhance our values I see I don't have the facts I see no no possible way how this
will enhance our value right now I hear the traffic from Little Road which is bad enough if you spend some time out there on any evening you can hear the motorcycles going probably at least 80 to 100 on a little road what am I going to hear now with 23 more units two cars
per unit plus the retail area totally changes the whole dynamics of why I bought that house 6 years ago I bought that property 2.7 Acres because it was AE I've had goats I've had pigs I have chickens it's a Farmland this
totally substantially changes the whole Dynamics for all these properties around it I mentioned to the developer put one put eight seven eight estate homes back here nothing we can do we're it is what it is that's what it's zoned for today
to change that zoning substantially changes why we bought into this community we see it everywhere around pasker County we don't want to see it in this particular neighborhood little road is is a mess as it is it's just getting more and more traffic more and more
accidents I hear them from my house all the time Sirens all hours of the night it's already turning into a res into a uh plan Development Area with multiple you know we're adding houses to the left on
down little road to the right on Little Road they're adding houses nowhere are they adding a a plan development with um two and three um um structures houses uh town
homes and again I I back up my whole back property line is going to be right on the property of what he's proposing to do the Ron mentioned 20ft wall I don't think a 20-ft wall is going to alleviate my concern literally they will be looking in because they're going to
raise it up they're going to be looking in my property that flooded I can show you on the map after the Hurricanes where my where the flood water came from and how much it came up that's all cyers said I asked the developer the engineer at the meeting about their flood
mitigation and he assures us they got to follow the laws and it's going to be all mitigated it's still going to push water the water from from and I understand they got to mitigate may have to make the pond bigger if that's if that's what you you all deem
necessary it's still going to impact my property flooding the way that just the way the natural features are of that land and you look at where the water flows today and how it Flats today he can't mitigate the cypers head it all floods in that whole back
corner right now so you raise it up it's going to go on my property it has to go on my property okay thank you question one question for you yes um you mentioned that you attended the neighborhood meeting how many of your neighbors were at the neighborhood
meeting probably about the same number that was here maybe 15 13 I don't I didn't really take account okay and was your your general consensus that you all were opposed to this resoning oh absolutely
absolutely okay I staff needs to be prepared as to why this ended up on our consent agenda I need to understand that but not now just be prepared to address that issue go ahead that was my only question sir okay anybody else if not
then thank you thank you thank you very much okay Mr chair the next person I have on the list I I don't know the last name but first name Jeff I saw you back there waving your hand yeah I'm sorry uh Jeffy Hill it's
10447 gring Lane um this is going to touch all of my property all of it and my son does go to that school every time it rains I have a uh 2500 pickup truck it's wet where's your property it's
10447 grening Lane it's uh oh yeah it's a it's wide there it's it it's long and it's going to impact the whole thing that water going to come I mean it floods now we go out there all the time my sons and I we we walk out there we do
look at the turtles and things whatever have you but it's Marshland mhm and that traffic when I take my son to school in the morning at at 8:20 it goes all the way up to jasman the whole I mean up the whole side good luck getting in and out he's going to put that road through and
when that road goes through my boy's bedroom window is going to have car lights going through it cuz that's where it is it's it's crazy I okay it it's going to completely kill the value of my home I saved for
you know 15 years to getting Golden Acres I left Largo Florida call laretto because it was terrible I came to Golden Acres to be safe the people are going to be coming in out of here it's crazy I'm going to this this if this starts building I'm
not going to sleep for 2 years because when they were remodeling my son to school it shook the walls in my house it's going to destroy my property value I can't afford to move anywhere else I retired from Budweiser 25 years and I'm
I'm home now with my son and this is going to kill me you know he's 10 years old pardon me but he's a boy mhm he wakes up in the morning he goes out front he sees a tree mhm yeah okay he
can't do that when the lady's looking down from the balcony and sees them yeah appreciate that okay you know what I mean but like I said the school is going to be a huge issue CU that water goes into that parking lot I mean it's just
every time it rains not just every so often and we have to pay we have a rental pump pumping it out yeah I know they've always had a flooding problem with that school so I'm strongly opposed to it it's going to crush me what we have on the screen right now is the
flood plane um map from Swift White area yeah that was the map that commissioner Moody was referring to and then when they rais up that property to put those houses in come into us I'm right across from from these guys here and it's going to I mean it's going to kill it's going
to kill me I'm it's I didn't move so you know when these when they're emptying these dumpsters at 4:00 in the morning from the from these restaurants and you know whatever else he going to put in there when do we sleep you know it's not right
it's a neighborhood put Eight houses in there make it part of Golden Acres welcome some new people this is going to bring garbage terrible it's going to completely deflate my property and I'm going to lose and I will sell I think we're all
going to sell which is terrible well does anybody have any questions I I don't think they can do enough to keep the water out of there said I I do Frank with over there I you have a 10-year-old boy inquisitive and we're all always over there and when it
rains it's wet very wet so good luck yeah I'm familiar with that area pretty much all right great thank you very much con Mr chair the next person on my list and the last person on the list is Tammy
White welcome Tammy thank you hey Char D um I'm Tammy White I live at 9320 Hilltop Drive I moved there 34 years ago this April when little road was two lane still covered in oak
trees seen a lot of changes and trying to keep our community the same and safe and it's not we I live on a lake all that water that comes into our communities everything all
connects I'm fortunate I'm the highest property on my Lake but I nearly flooded a few years ago my neighbors across the lake flooded when they build these new communities they raise them same thing
happened down on anoat they raise the properties so all the older properties all around them where does the water go it goes to the older properties and they flood we already have issues with traffic on Hilltop Drive I live between
little and yellow Lake between my house the two houses on either side and the house across the street the majority of the wrecks that happen happened in that corner the added traffic is not going to help I still have to fix my fence from
the last time somebody went through my fence three years ago a woman went through my fence took 60 ft out and law enforcement didn't do anything about it like they mentioned the traffic on Little Road I can hear it from my house too I hear the sirens all the
time two people killed just a couple weeks ago there's always wrecks on little and Grove and you're putting in all these new homes on little south of Massachusetts we don't have the infrastructure we don't have law enforcement that
can ticket these people that can watch out and keep people from speeding when we're a victim we're the one that has to prove things people that run into our property and do property damage they know what
they can do to get away with it and we're the ones that are stuck suffering I was 60 years old myself three years ago putting in replacing a fence 60t of fence and a gate by myself because I'm a
widow now that person destroyed a fence that my husband built to protect us and now I have to keep the gates closed on my property because of what the through traffic is going through and the people
going through you put the speed bumps in yeah there's a lot of people in our neighborhood that bitched and complained about it but you know what it stopped the through traffic it saved our wildlife and we had less wrecks on our road I do appreciate the county putting
in a new Wildlife sign right in by my driveway I love it but that's not going to stop the people that go through our neighborhood take out our property I have to pick up trash every single day one of my neighbors at least once a
month he drives his four-wheeler from yellow Lake to Hilltop Drive cleaning up trash on either side of the road so that our neighborhood that used to be pristine looks a little bit better this isn't going to be good for our neighborhood it's really
not well thank you very much is uh anybody ask questions no very good thank you very much that was the last person on my list but I don't know if you want to ask if there's anybody else anybody here that hasn't had a chance to speak that would
like to speak with something relevant that we haven't heard before okay have you been sworn yes okay pastor Jen carak 15925 Green Glen
Lane Springhill Florida and just um the thing that I would like to raise um in response I know uh Mr Moody has requested that there's facts as it results to the comprehensive plan and
I'm looking at 303. 7 application review and based on the applicants uh submission today the conversation with regards to the changes that potentially would need to be made it seems to me that potentially the applicant would
need to go back to um essentially the drawing board uh based on they really didn't have complete information and there was a lot of issues with regards to application that
they submitted so based on 303. 7 I would seems that this application is not complete um in addition to that with regards to building the um properties up
and the issues that the neighbors have kind of cided we've seen that I believe everywhere in the county and when I um listen to the workshop meeting that was done this week I believe that was one of
the main concerns that commissioner Mariano starky and Oakley had um so it seems as if this would be an issue that they discussed and maybe this is not the good time for it it's also not
consistent with the neighboring area thank you okay was there anybody else okay would you like to come forward please just please bring something
new if you don't mind wanted a Time state your name and address my name is Ashley woth 9815 Hilltop Drive just one at a time um so I live on Golden Acres um I am a firm believer cuz
I am a land developer myself um that if these residents did not want this being built they should have bought the property however it is not Zone commercial at the time so why did these residents have any concerned that something like this would be built on that type of property everyone here
today has con um said they concerns um very valid concerns so my concerns of living on Hilltop Drive is when you do switch the zoning even with the changes that will make these residents happy with what you
put on there there is going to be an issue with little road I believe on this type of property you are required to exits I believe they're asking for a revision just to do one exit so that doesn't hurt Hilltop Drive however this
person that owns the property has that easement already so after this all gets developed and everyone is semi-happy with what happens there's going to be a problem and when the property owner comes back and you guys require them to
fix this the only option is for them to use that easement out to Hilltop Drive and then Hilltop Drive becomes an even bigger issue and affects way more people that are here today we have a speeding issue I believe Golden Acres is a bird
sanctuary um I mean a lot of animals get hit on that road and we already have a traffic issue that we did try resolving with speed humps that were temporary they got removed um so I just believe if you give them a little on this property once it gets
developed after the fact we're going to have to do some more revisions on flooding on the exit to Little Road and what are you going to do to help this property you're going to have to do more stuff and then it's going to be harder
for us as residents to go back and say I told you not to do it so from the start before it gets developed that why we have so many signatures they foresee more stuff coming and we're trying to get it stopped before there are any other
problems all right thank you any questions NOP thank you very much okay did you want to speak you have your name and address hi I'm Charlene Grant 9804 Hilltop that's my daughter Ashley so we
have some of the same opinions Mr Gray I believe your family has been here for a long time long time as I have I grew up in Pasco County little road it's a mess um everybody's talked about the school um right now they have to do a wait back
closer to Jasmine to go and pull into the school right now right um that has to be addressed before anything else is developed I have a question um are the two properties this one and the one that
was previously done C1 are those people connected at all I know it's two different names just seems awfully conven that this is happening I mean I I don't know I can't answer that question that's to my knowledge yeah yeah so I have a little bit of concern
about that because here they saw C1 got that property got changed to C1 it is on the corner commercial yes uh but we are worried about the traffic on Hilltop MH children car
accidents Wildlife we say no right keep it residential 1 acre Parcels please thank you thank you very much for coming yeah yeah I'm very
familiar with that area I I I think uh my father built one of the first houses out there and uh we helped develop it uh originally when we divided up the line land and and sold a lot most of that
land so I'm very familiar with uh Golden Acres and and the zoning that they put in place there so um little road didn't really exist at the time there was no Little Road would know a drill it was a it's that actually little road was more
like a dirt road um from Massachusetts south to the river and then North it's the pavement stopped it about right about where Tanglewood e is so um yeah it's it's been a lot of been a lot of
changes that's for sure and because I lived in that right in this particular vicinity uh for quite some a number of years um after I returned from the military um you know I'm I'm very
familiar with how that whole area operates uh so um you know I think what we need to do though is follow the procedure and give the applicant an opportunity to come up and try to answer some of your concerns
and uh and we'll listen to them and we'll take everything into account and and as a group we'll make a decision and uh appreciate everybody coming today think you have a lot of good important things to say and we appreciate you
being here so uh the applicant would like to come back up I hope you made some notes thank you for uh the opportunity to try to address some of the concerns um uh excuse me just a minute before you
go anywhere please don't embarrass yourself and and say stuff like that CU I didn't allow anybody to do that to you so please don't do that doesn't hurt doesn't help your case okay go ahead
okay so just allow me a few seconds to process there's a lot of information here and U so one concern that I heard was is there um is the owner to the
south of this property a relative to the owner to the to the property in question is there a conspiracy here Etc there is none there's no relationship of the current owner to the owner to the sell okay so let me put
that one to bed okay number two we heard concerns about a road that would be put to the east along a a flag lot that the current owner owns okay any we can put the aerial or the site planine back up
so that when need put the put the aial up if you don't mind talking about yeah and and uh yeah see this this maybe one of my my charts show that one shows the easement yeah you can see there well it doesn't
really well it's not a okay along that line to the oh it does show the flag to the east that piece go to the right with a cursor from there to the right go right a little bit more there you go click on that all the way all concerned that we're going to put a road to the
right there and that road is going to Traverse along the rear of their properties this owner is starting to approach some of the property and owners and is willing to give that property to the adjacent
owners is considering that he has no intention to put a road from there to the east furthermore that strip a land is not wide enough to be a legal road with it how wide is that
like 25 25 ft there's not enough room to put in the the requisite swailes Etc the owner has no interest zero interest in developing that road there so here I want myth number two that I want to
dispel okay and he doesn't even care about he's willing to give it to you guys please please address us up here okay so I just want to point that out and thank you for uh the protocol M
um so that was the cross access to the to the east he has no intention of doing anything with that we did do a traffic study the owner paid for traffic study to show the effect of these few town homes in in the
relative area in the grand scheme of things it's not going to affect so one thing that did came out of the traffic study was we put in that rightand turn lane so that you would not have a scenario of traffic I've asked you in the audience
I've asked you politely to be quiet while somebody's speaking like just like I did when somebody else was up here so please observe the rules I hate to have anybody taken out so the owner willing to put in that
rightand turn lane to make sure that traffic flows egress Ingress egress there was concern or debate about C1 versus C2 this is C1 this is not high density commercial
as was alleged the concern learn about the twostory duplex and the lady looking out onto the adjacent neighbor a residential excuse me one second I know the officer is trying to get control there a couple of people
back here yeah I'm going all right probably best enough you already made a m out a little road glad you got your Fame 3400 homes that's about 12,000
extra cars on the road let me just tell you in the audience that people that are courteous and still here that type of action does not help your cause no matter what you think you know it never pays to be
[Music] rude thank go ahead so one commentary was you know about a two-story structure looking into an adjacent property if it stays the way it is and
somebody puts a house in these existing breaks it up into existing Parcels you can still have twostory homes looking into an adjacent property so the argument that oh uh they're going to have a two-story home and it's going to invade my privacy
uh I believe doesn't hold water from that example furthermore we do have plans for a pretty extensive buffer going around the entire perimeter and a fence so the concern that those neighbors are going to interact with the
farm animals or anything else or disturb the adjacent Property Owners I don't think uh is legitimate because of the buffer that we're designing in what kind of a buffer are you talking about landscape with with a a six foot fence I believe whatever we put in in in the
plants but you'll be able to see through it pardon me you will be able to see through it depends what type of fence if it's a a vinyl solid fence you won't see through it on top of uh a buffer of trees and
bushes okay did you have a question Jamie that was going to be my question exactly I I didn't see my I think if I'm if I'm correct I think the memo only says you provide what the lens development code requires which I think in that case is a type B buffer is that
correct so you're not proposing anything above and beyond that that's what we're proposing but as you can see from the the visuals I think it's going to be a pretty dense buffer okay but there's no commitment in here about the density of the buffer
other than what the code requires so fair fair statement but that's no different than you put a a regular residential home looking onto an adjacent property right yeah it wasn't a statement it was a question so that that's I just wanted
to clarify yeah okay continue so in any case we our intent is to have uh to to separate the Privacy issue um and we you know we did have that meeting uh whenever it was about a year ago and we listened to these concerns
and this developer has the intent to try to be neighborly about these things um the other thing is I look at the Wetland impact and the and I asked my staff member to to shoot
me a little picture of the Wetland and it's the other map that Mr Moody brought up that's a different map but the Wetland impact is is actually a very small it just dips in one part and dips in the other by maybe five or 10 Perc of
the area of the gross area that wasn't a concern it was the flood plane I understand I understand um furthermore we have the POS and I've done this before to also use underground Chambers to further if if let's say the
pond that we were depicting was insufficient we could also add underground Chambers as storm water retention under certain areas so there are there are methods to address the flooding concern and keep
it within the property okay so and and and I would argue that once we add these ponds and stuff it actually is going to diminish what they're seeing right now because the runoff is running
off from the current state of the grades and the way the water flows where we're going to be managing that to keep it on the property let's see let me pivot um since you didn't ask for extra time I'm trying to give you as much time as I can to answer the questions but I want
to be okay I don't want to okay keep everybody here too long okay I'm I'm almost finished okay okay I just want to make sure I try to address um all the concerns um yeah and then the concern about the
Covenant the Golden Acre covenants and those laws and rs that's for that Community I'm I'm not sure how that would spill over into our our area I don't believe we're part of Golden Acres
so just a comment there um you don't believe you are or you aren't I don't I don't believe we are I I'd have to go confirm this but I did not I don't you are I I I don't know if I am or not
okay so so one other concern we heard was how that piece of property right now there are vagrants there are people running all around there and so on and so forth well you know just like any other piece of property anywhere you know people are going so that's the chaos you have right now just because
it's undeveloped right it's just a piece of land well by us developing it under this condition it is a controlled environment and many of these uh thoughts that were voiced that aspect would go away as well so in
summary I think there there's a lot of consternation out there but I think as I demonstrated a lot of it is ill-founded and a little hyperbole is my opinion this is gold maker okay factual opinion so with that said thank you for your
attention over here yes you're welcome thank you uh any questions from up here no okay um thank you is there anybody that would like to ask this man a question he's got his hand
raised sure what question would you like to ask do do you have anything to uh to add to what you said sir yeah one thing uh whether it's relevant or not it's a fact the wall the Walgreens is
a name and address Tyler Sanders 10515 Hilltop Drive I just received notification that they're closing so that's going to be a vacant building so anyways um we were told at that meeting and it's interesting how the things change um and I appreciate you know they
were trying to alleviate our concerns of the Privacy last year now it's actually re re regressed I was told last year the wall between your property in adjacent properties designer said 8T is that solid wood or concrete will the trees be
also be placed so those are my questions I asked the answer was um I first I heard 30 feet then I heard 50 feet so I don't really know what's going behind my property and even though they've they've shown some drawings it's like well we could we're going to do
some Landscaping what does that mean for me we're going to have a wall we're going to put up a fence well it could be wood it could be vinyl it could be can you see through that and then the other comment that he he mentioned was well yes you could build a house back here and they can see you on my property
absolutely one family as it stands right now I have five families that'll be looking into my property that's a big difference thank you thank you okay uh I think we've heard all the details um just technically first of all
I need staff to come up and address my question about how this ended up on our consent agenda um but but technically since you allowed the public to speak again you're going to have to allow the applicant to rebut that again that's the danger with you doing this I'm letting you know I'm not going to let anybody
else so I understand that but every time you let the public speak again you're going to have to the like to reut what was just said about defense about about the presentation at the meeting and I actually wanted to ask him about that
anyway so honestly I I don't recall us making a statement about a 30 foot fence okay I don't know where that came from 30t distance off the property line no Charles Davis okay go ahead so I don't
specifically recall that okay you were at that meeting yeah okay I I will get with the owner and see if if you know what he wants to do in regards to a fence okay thank you yeah that was going to be my question is what you would be able to commit to regarding buffering
um on this besides what's already in there which is the type B buffer that's required by [Music] code okay well I think we have plenty of information here to make a decision okay I still would like staff to address my question yes Mr chairman
um the Planning Development economic growth Department routinely puts uh its uh contact information in Public Notices and if the public wants to understand a project they can contact the department
and also uh convey their opinions their interests so on and so forth about the project if they don't do that we don't have a record of opposition to suggest to us to put it on the uh regular agenda versus the consent agenda the project that was to the south of this property
the main concerns on that site had to deal with the intensity of the commercial use to which we made sure that the property of the north was would be consistent with what was being approved at the corner which was C1 so we had addressed that element of
opposition that we had previously heard Terry does the developer submit a summary of the neighborhood meeting it's traditionally yes but it's not required did they do that in this case let me confer with staff one second okay um nothing was submitted
nothing was submitted to us for regarding the neighborhood meeting well at some point we we may want to look at making that a mandatory requirement because I don't know how we if 15 people showed up at this neighborhood meeting expressed
opposition there should be some way for staff to know that all this oppos I mean it seems like there's a disconnect that you all have no way of knowing that there was all this opposition even though they all showed up at the neighborhood meeting to me the neighborhood meeting
is the developers meeting it's not a but but it showed up on our consent agenda which typically applies when there's no neighborhood opposition and I understand you didn't know because nobody contacted you directly but what I the testimony was
that the neighbors all showed up at the neighbor meeting and expressed this opposition if that report had been submitt if the summary of the neighborhood meeting had been submitted to staff you would have known there was neighborhood opposition so I'm saying we may want to relook at
that we'll take a look at that you actually the staff actually gets a summary of the neighborhood meeting otherwise how would you even know the concerns that were raised the the fact that there was opposition I mean I understand that it's the it's the
de developers meeting but it seems like staff has a right to know what occurred at it do you not disagree I mean uh in the cases where it's required yes I agree with you but we we'll take a look at what the issue is with how do you know know they
actually I'm not saying they didn't have a meeting but how do you know they actually had the meeting if you don't have some kind of minutes or is Staff notified of the meetings yeah so so in this case neighborhood meeting isn't required what hold on wom
for million Planning Development economic growth neighborhood meetings required in the rural areas and in the Villages passing the hills in which case it wasn't required but in the instance that it is required it is submitted to staff as a requirement of the LDC
those those meeting notes so you're saying for this project it was not required but they conducted one anyway correct did they do that on their own or did staff request them to do it or they did it on their own that's why we had no
record of it I see okay okay all right anything else David yeah answers my question okay I got a question for staff um in
relation to this parcel and I I've heard several references to um commercial on the front edge being similar to the commercial that was done to the South is that correct in the C1 that is correct
C1 but it looks like on the master plan that they go another couple hundred feet further back into the parcel so they're not just commercial adjacent to the commercial to the South they're also adjacent to to what remained as estate residential or ER is that
correct or did I it looks like to some extent that's that's my biggest concern I guess where where I'm getting going with that is I think the argument was made before and the argument is always on commercial that it's the proximity to the road in the front but what's the acceptable
depth I mean could they come in and ask for 600 ft of depth of commercial and it looks like to the South they really only got 250 or 300 ft of commercial so uh from where I'm sitting it it almost looks like if they can make that argument to be compatible with the
commercial to the South if they are only that depth which is 250 260 ft but they're asking for much more is that am I reading that correctly we we're confirming at the moment okay yeah that's fine you have a question for the developer on
that no no you have to be called up and we don't have a question for you so I was just looking at the master plan and it looks like those parcel lines it looks like it goes much deeper than just the two Parcels to the South showed six 62 from the rear
property line to the rear of the commercial building substantially a lot deeper yeah trying to where's the measurement thing here I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reading the master plan incorrectly look at the master
plan yeah Terry if you guys just look at the master plan I mean it looks like there's three Parcels to the South yes it's three Parcels South okay I mean I personally I have a concern with that in the compatibility there between that what remains as a state residential and that depth of that commercial and then
also my my other thing and and I really I I have not heard any compelling argument as far as how multif family Town Homes duplexes triplexes are compatible with the estate residential that's going to remain all the way around
it I mean I I I can see and I can understand that the commercial Frontage for or the commercial argument for the frontage right immediately adjacent to little road but going beyond what they got to the south for the commercial and then that multif family residential Town
Homes wedged in between and we've already heard that there's there's drainage concerns flood plane concerns I mean a lot of that stuff's going to be taken care of in the permitting um I mean they're going to they're going to base in the special concern that going be held to those standards um all that stuff but I I a compatibility issue I I
just don't see how those town homes are compatible with the estate residential all the way around it agree in terms of the um the dis the depth of the commercial property what we're looking at it by the third parcel
is the parking lot uh area of the proposed development that's what that's what would be aligned with that third parcel which if you compare it you look due north the non-residential used to the north also has a similar depth so that would be the
the depth comparison along Little Road there saying at the back of the parking lot of that school correct the the eastern boundary of that parking lot right and then in terms of the the land use selection in terms of uh Town Homes
this is the nonetheless the urban concentration area along a ma an arterial roadway such as little road and it's a typical transition to move from higher intensity land use like commercial even at C1 uh and step it
down to uh single family detached which is the ER zoning district and the density level only increases by 1.9 dwelling iners per gross acre given the quantity of town homes on the site it's
23 so the the density increase is not out of out of scale with the surrounding one dwelling unit per gross acre any other questions no yeah I I agree with some of the concerns too the Mr Moody brought up
a you know the concern about the the flood plane even though this is all Upland area um you know I have some concerns that that really wasn't looked at in terms of um how that might affect the properties to the South and um you know if there's any fill that's brought
in to build up these Town Homes um and there's any kind of um uh I guess any any way that that's cutting off the flow to the South and and uh changing the flow of water that's that's naturally occurring there that could present an
issue to the uh adjoining properties I also I'm concerned too that the applicant didn't um didn't seem to really address the the concerns of the neighborhood that well prior to this it seems like there was a neighborhood meeting that happened but uh there wasn't many concerns that were really
addressed I you know I wasn't uh I I guess we heard a little bit about buffering but there wasn't a whole lot that was said about specifics to that buffering um I feel like that some of the people that had some concerns might have some might be a little bit better feeling about those concerns if uh some
of the buffering was uh more specific um so that's that's kind of where I'm at on on this whole thing I think in general the the plan makes sense to have commercial in the front and uh and some residential in the rear I mean it's it
you know yes it's this is not the Golden Acres of old and and little roads of busy roads so commercial makes sense they're adjacent a little but um so the overall idea um but just just the execution of this I I have some concerns
about well interest in uh and the interest of time and for purposes of discussion I'd like to hear a motion to deny I'd like to make a motion to deny um I'll make the motion to deny the
comprehensive plan Amendment which then I guess would David if I do that then does that automatically nullify the zoning or basically okay the the the zoning can't be approved without the complain Amendment and I would also AR to you
that you have you and the board are far more discretion deny Amendment a legislative decision so you don't really need to get into the zoning criteria or any of the other reasons I mean you can State your reasons for denial if you want to but
really any rational basis would suffice to deny a plan Amendment so I I move to deny item pc5 you're seconding right oh I made the motion yeah you can make the motion C pass 2323
okay do we have a second I'll second any further discussion of the motion just a question as far as if it is denied the board denies it the applicant could come back at a later date and maybe propose something different yes yeah okay if the however
there is there are rules on if the board takes formal action to deny it I think there's a year am I saying that right ter I think there's a year you have to wait before you can reapply for the same before the same yes yes if they want to apply for something different if it's
something completely different I think that probably doesn't apply right good so we have a motion and a second any further discussion of the motion if not all in favor signify by saying I oppos like
sign all right so the application is denied thank you anybody have any questions I just have a clarification question Liam Divine Planning Development economic growth um David are you saying there does not need to be an action on
pc6 if if if the Planning Commission is saying that the plan amendment should be denied they simply can't recommend approval of the zoning it the zoning would be inconsistent with the existing comp
so I mean if youd want if you if if it's staff's I guess I'll ask staff do you want a formal recommendation Of Denial on the zoning too as being inconsistent with the col plan we can have them take that action how would you in a due process perspective we can advance the comprehensive plan with the
recommendation from the LPA the mpud stays behind well are you I guess I'll I'll sta if Planning Commission recommends an of the plan do you intend to still move forward with the recommendation approval can I make a suggestion would
it be appropriate to continue it to a date uncertain and see how the comprehensive plan plays out with the board and then they can always bring it back to Planning Commission for a vote I I personally I I wouldn't prefer that I'd like to get it decided today so
I think just in abundance of caution let's go ahead and make a motion I'll I'll move to deny recommend denial of item pc6 the companion reone based on it being inconsistent with our recommendation of denial for the comprehensive plan Amendment a
second second further discussion all in favor signify by I I I oppos like sign okay that answer your question Liam okay makes his job easier okay so for those of you who are
here for this particular item that request has been denied so however I want to be clear that doesn't stop the applicant from moving trying to move forward to the board of County commiss that's the next step okay than appreciate everybody
being here except for a couple of guys we probably have left yeah right we take Mr chair I believe our next item on the list is pc9
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[Music] all houses I'm never heard of that particular set of facts normally what we're doing a restriction on use or it's a restrict or it's a code requirement that the code would requir
anyway and so it's academic never have situation where the code doesn't require it it doesn't whole commercial discuss all right okay call me in
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today is the Anclote Town Homes master plan unit development my name is Jacob Gates I'm with the Planning Development economic growth Department planning services division item pc9 incl Town Homes master plan unit development District next slide proposal is a zoning Amendment
from the AC agricultural zoning District agricultural residential zoning District to the MPD master plan unit development District the future land use Is Res 6 there is no accompanying comprehensive plan Amendment for this mpud purpose is to allow a maximum of up
to 190 town home dwelling units on 46.3 Acres it's located on the far Southwestern corner of Pasco County just east of anlo high school and just north of Paul R Smith Middle School next slide
please you can see the red and yellow star on the bottom left hand corner good call this is a context map I've gone ahead and highlighted each of the surrounding muds Boa Vista to the
Northwest Key Vista to the north ano River resort to the west and Domin dominium Anclote MPD directly to the South you can see Anclote High School and cl midle school and the main drive
to each of those schools this is location map the current Z District the two smaller Parcels on the left are AR and the larger parcel is AC part of the MPD would carve out part of
the larger parcel to create the mpud you'll see that Illustrated later current future land use Is Res six again no amendments proposed this is the master plan this is The Binding concept plan
for the project as you can see the vast majority of the area is going to be undeveloped and retained for wetland mitigation storm water mitigation and the vast majority of development will happen on the far western side to the South is Bluff at Gulf side
which is expired uh dominium Anclote MPD which is 228 multif family dwelling units uh it's currently being built PA Paul R Smith Middle School and single family residential development to the north is mainly a Duke Energy
easement undeveloped land single family development to the West is a communication Tower with guy wires that's why it has the car vou shape you see a water canal as well as single family residential development
and to the east is anot high school and the anlo River Resort MPD which is 350 RV spaces 2500 ft for Lodge a Discovery Center accessory uses currently unbuilt and our recommendation is to
recommend approval with conditions to the board of County Commissioners okay any questions any questions initial questions you might have some school question comment not a question just um FYI because there I'm looking at that where it's right abing the soccer field and the football field so those
residents will have access you know there's going to be the band plan and all that stuff so they when they know before they buy that yes they they'll be some noise I think they would definitely be aware and I'm sure the developer will disclose yeah okay um one point of order if you look
on the agenda memo for this item and the finding of facts finding a fact number four uh it's referencing the hurricane vulnerability Zone condition it says ccoa number 57 it's actually COA number 59 just bit of
housekeeping okay while we're on housekeeping um for this item Mr Moody brought something to our attention today thank you Mr Moody um that there is a prior special exception associated with
the tower and one of the conditions of that prior special exception did require some unused area to be reforested now we're not sure whether the area that was required to be reforested affects this muty or not but we probably are going to need to add a
condition that makes it clear that to the extent that it did that this supersedes that requirement so that condition that condition is not in your packet today but it will something we need to work on with the applicant because we're still
trying to get a copy of the required forestry plan to see if it even impacted yeah the developable area of the smpd it may not but if it did we need to address it through a condition definitely uh one Quirk of that condition from 2008
initially proposed in 1994 the year after I was born um was you wish that they had to register it with the a office way to make usate but not but not with us so it means that we aren't finding it in our
paper record so we may have to do a request to the state to receive the forestry report just letting you guys know full transparency but even if we don't find it there's a way to draft a condition that basically has this MPD supersede
that requirement if it applies yes okay any other questions Mr staff I guess you got lucky so far thank you that's so I'm
available for questions okay thank you Mr chairman Clark hobby hobby and hobby PA 109 North breast Street Tampa Florida have been sworn here on behalf of the applicant uh as staff point out Patty May W go to our um stuff you saw
the concept plan that's in there you can go maybe to the next page um the site is immediately north of the dominium site that you all saw about I think 18 months ago 18 24 months ago
and in that uh approval the county uh approved a future Lane use change to as 24 for the site immediately south of us and as 228 uh that's affordable units immediately south of us and the dominium
project is building what's going to be a shared access Drive uh with our project if you can go to the next um slide there Patty you can see Shoreline Escape Lane is where we're sharing access and that
will include a 8 8ot multi-use path on the North side they will have a sidewalk on their side so our kids will be able to go right to our multi-use path and walk right out to the high school to the North or take the sidewalk then to the South to the middle school so that's all
really good the the area generally has a lot of res six in it um and then on the other side to the east in Holiday Lake Estates that portion on the east side of the canal Is Res 9 so what we're
proposing with tow houses here is really in keeping um not only with the planned res six that we have but it's significantly lower than other areas and the density we're proposing is roughly it's it's under 50% of the density of
the dominium project immediately to our C we feel like we've got a great plan um we are planning significantly more open space and our plan that you see there um there's a dog park up in the northeast corner um northwest corner and then we
have a big amenity Center which you don't always see on a smaller town home only project and my credit is to lenar and the project manager um Brian Panico with really laying out what I think's going to be a nice project for our
residents but it's also offering an enhanced amenity from what you would normally see so I think you know I've got my team here we've got a couple of residents that want to ask questions I think that are primarily related to storm water and to traffic and I've got
Steve Henry here to answer the traffic so if it's okay with you all I'll reserve the balance of my time till we hear from the neighbors okay thank you okay thank you okay are you okay coming up
yes well my name is George megal I live at 30 539 memory Drive hot Lake States the um concern that we have that I have is the traffic
and um being that our Sheriff's Department in Pascal County is very uh limited to their uh use of traffic control um we don't think that the
amount of homes going into that area with the three schools that are there got a high school middle school and and an elementary school and they need to either enhance the traffic
situation or um create um safety zones uh for the 2-mile radius children they walk to school on Hol Lake Drive not so many on anllo road but mainly on
Hol holiday Lake Drive um traffic's going to you have 20 buses per school three schools has 60 buses one way and 60 buses coming out the other way uh for the total day so plus
you have foot traffic and you have um parents that live in the subdivision that drop their kids off in the morning before they go to work so traffic is the main the main issue to this you have
um if you have an average of two vehicles per per unit you're talking a lot of vehicles MH so uh that's the main concern all right and thank you for your time thank you you there any
questions okay thank you very much okay appreciate it thank you hello hi don't be scared I am don't front of um I'm Tanya malstrom 2027 Essex Drive and O I agree with what George is
saying but also with the traffic coming from back it takes you up to alternate 19 and that's already backed up at least a couple times a day especially in the winter time so you can't even get out of the subdivision
who turn left to continue out to US 19 and that's probably a good mile maybe a mile and a quarter and also we were talking about um flooding cuz now they're going to be elevated I think what is it 9 ft so then
the water is being dispersed out cuz I'm right by within a half a mile of where they're going to be building and I know they're going to do Retention Ponds but how much do those hold and they will sometimes
overflow and the other thing is because we've got three four beautiful Parks back there at anot it would be great to have that property be stay Agriculture and maybe the county could buy it because as the
motto says for Pasco is Open Spaces vibrant places and we keep building building and building right there and we're losing our open spaces and that's all I have thank you thank you did very
well anyone else got your traffic man handy hey Mr chairman I'm going to turn this over to Steve to talk about the traffic in just a minute but I just wanted to point out for our neighbors because I was speaking to them before the the area of the site that we're proposing to build on is all
in flood zone X there is an area over where the cell tower is and the Wetland that's going over to the east that's in a we're not proposing to build in that area and obviously we're going to apply with all the county and Swift Mud rules on on that stuff so I'm really not worried about flooding on what we're
building there but I think really I want to have Steve talk about the traffic before you turn over to just by way of clarification is that Tower as cell tower or is it a rer tower or both is it a what the tower is it it's a communication Tower it's not a
cell tower Chann does it have cell service on it to or is it just they're saying yes I don't know David I haven't looked at the panels on the tower I don't know I was just curious if it was if it was only a
radio tower less and less people are listening to the radio and it may come down at some point if it's got television and cell service is probably not coming down anytime soon right yeah I I honestly do not know about that I'm sorry I'm sorry but you can't speak from the audience because we can't
get it on if he knows the answer to my question maybe we can bring him up why don't you just come up and come up and speak in the microphone because if you say something wrong then we can really come after you see I didn't know you were I didn't know
you were the expert on to reported okay it is a channel 10 tower for uh a Channel 10 in Tampa M also a cell tower and also a radio tower for I believe it's uh
104.7 okay you guys there's three different things uses of it um and it's a very very very good um lightning conductor right lights up in the after it lights up at night when there's
lightning you always get a show oh my God you wonder sir and for the record your name is George meal Ludas you got that okay I'm sorry thank you George than you okay thank you for the helpful information thank you very much lightning rod good afternoon Steve Henry links
Associates 5023 West Laural Tampa 33607 and I have been sworn um so just real quick on the traffic you one of the things we did on this one because of the schools we actually did longer couns so we did Counts from 6:00 a.m. to 9: and then we also did them from 1:00 in the afternoon to 6: just to make sure we've
captured all the school hours in there but we we looked at that volume we added a growth rate to it in addition to that we added the Dominion project to that and when we looked at the analysis you know the the driveway works at acceptable level of service the volumes
are reasonable out there to allow it to operate uh within actually it's level of service a or C uh for the different movements within the intersection so you did allow for the proposed Dominion project or yeah okay that was going to be my question
yes the proposed density is what I meant to say do you have any questions uh Richard about the traffic thing no I was going to mention though that there's I doubt I don't think there's 20 buses per school I know at Gulf side there's three so I think that was a little bit over
inflated the 20 buses per school a lot the kids walk Richard what is the capacity of these schools I was look that I was looking at the um so right now I I've got the the chart that was in here if you give me just a sec it's they're all well below capacity yeah
here I've got it right here Rich got to put my spectacles on here with the proposed development gide would be at 83% Paul rith middle would be at 65% and anlo would be at 69 so they're all well well under capacity one thing I
I do want to do and I I was against with George uh before the meeting and he's was a school bus driver for some years and he's concerned about the kids safety I am too and I thought I would bring Rich over and we could talk there's one area where there's a Crossing from a
multi-use path on the West Side to a sidewalk on the East and there's enough my sense is enough School traffic there that we probably need some guards and stuff like that to make sure that the kids are softly safely Crossing there so I want to get with Rich about that talk
about what we can do on there we can do that yeah real quick um Clark um what Richard had mentioned before about the abing the uh football stadium there what are your thoughts on that uh we wouldn't normally put a a notice in about that
but uh we also don't mind do it because David has a condition about roads uh that we have to give people notice about anyway so I can work with David to pry to put a notice in there that we would do on the sales I mean they'll have really great view of the Friday Night Football games but yeah and soccer and
soccer yeah y so okay anyway thanks thanks if you have any questions I'm happy to answer okay any questions thank you okay thank go ahead okay so do we have a motion for for the
sake of conversation I'll make a motion to approve I'll second a motion in a second there further disc discussion on the motion if not all in favor signify by saying I I oos like
sign okay to 11 it so Mr chair before Patrick starts um since this is one where you already had a workshop on it would it be okay if we just ask Patrick to just talk about what he
changed since Workshop that would be great that would be fantastic I know Patrick like David come on Patrick he's your friend steing your Patrick listen I'm trying to play pickle ball later so that's great with me okay too young for
pickle ball so if you can just focus on pickle ball it is a growing scort sport among younger people it is yeah so if you could just focus on what you change after the workshop I can do that um so this presentation will be a little bit um quick I guess um so accessory
dwelling units I think from the previous Workshop we talked about uh the importance why we're doing them all that type of stuff we went through all the previous regulations that we were proposing um some of the specific concerns I think the Planning Commission had at the time was um in in terms of uh
areas in the county where accessory dwelling units um may not be appropriate um maybe there's uh problems with storm water with I'm sorry to interrupt he just wanted you to say your name for I'm sorry about that yeah uh Patrick dutter uh Planning Development economic growth you thank you um so there might be areas
that aren't appropriate for accessory dwelling units so you asked that we reached out to some other County departments to get some feedback uh we reached out to the fire department storm water team the building construction services team utilities group um we said hey we're bringing accessory dwelling units in front of the Planning
Commission and the board uh are there any areas that you guys can think of specifically where you might not want to see accessory dwelling units uh none of them were necessary neily concerned about accessory dwelling units they think the regulations we have on the books I think were sufficient um so those were some of the answers that we
received if you have any specific questions on those departments I can maybe try and elaborate a little further I do um we just had a workshop on storm water and I get the answer to that question generally
but there are a few areas that we're counting and I think Mr starky called them anomalies M and I'll give you an example Thousand Oaks Oak okay so I just want to make sure that I'm clear about this so storm water would be
perfectly okay if we added accessory dwelling units in Thousand Oaks so I didn't give them specific neighborhood examples and say think about this area um I asked the question generally and then uh storm water also directed me to building construction services to talk
to some of the engineers we have them building construction services who are responsible for permitting structures themselves um and their opinion was you know the we have the existing regulations we have in terms of flood proofing buildings and making sure build I guess where I'm going with the
question is I I get that our existing regulations might require the accessory drilling unit to be sort of elevated in an area of like Thousand Oaks but man understanding in Thousand Oaks the streets flood like so badly
that in a storm that emergency vehicles cannot get to the residences so it seems like if you approved an accessory dwelling unit in Thousand Oaks it might even if it was out of even if the structure wasn't
flooded getting to it getting to it would be difficult so I'm not saying storm water doesn't know what they're doing I just but it just that answer doesn't make sense to me for Thousand Oaks okay um if you would like between now and the board I
can go back to specifically some storm water folks and try and um maybe and maybe work with you to find some areas specifically that we may need to take a closer look so at can I ask a question about that Patrick and
one I know I had brought that issue up during the first presentation and Patrick is professional enough to have followed up and called me back to discuss it with me and his findings and I appreciate appreciate that mhm
um so there's different kinds of adus there's the kind of Adu where we close in the garage or make a separate entrance into a house and maybe add a little kitchenet into the house or something so
we're not really adding storm water in that case and then there's the type of Adu where I'm building Grandma's Shack in the back where I am adding to the storm water to your point David or I'm trying to
understand are you more concerned about the increase in the population or the increase of the storm water runoff in the area both I I mean I guess and and I want to be clear I'm not talking probably 95% of the county I'm
not sure I have this concern I we don't want to exacerbate a problem my concern is if we have known areas where where during a significant storm event we know it's flooding into homes
you know like in the case of Thousand Oaks my understanding is that they're it got so bad that the streets were basically the streets were completely covered with water so it seems to me if you're adding Pur surface you're going to maybe even make it worse so that's part of the
concern but I guess my bigger concern is if somebody has a a rescue sit situation in that area say it's the grandma on the accessory dwelling unit I I don't we're not going to be able to get to them unless we're unless the sheriff
is getting the boats out there and like you know doing the it's exacerbating it existing I I I I understand you so the question is I mean I don't want to be clear I fully support accessory drilling you so I think they're helpful to I think we have
a housing Supply issue I think we need to allow them I'm just I'm just a little shocked at storm water's answer now I admittedly Patrick didn't phrase the question to them that way but
my question my question the real I would like storm waterer to be able to tell me to my face and the board to their face why it's okay that we're adding additional units in Thousand Oaks that's the that's that may be the most egregious example but there may be
others sure there's others this I I want ask it more from the legal practical side of it I I understand your point I agree with your point and that was one of my concerns early on about this and I'm like you I'm in favor of
this how do we deal with that so can we do we can the can the county create lists of due to flooding concerns in
this neighborhood we're not do they do this on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis do they have how how how would we create in the code restrictions in places that are known yeah I mean this is why I was kind of hoping storm water's answer would have been something
like here's the five areas of the county where we know we have I mean in theory we could map them and say in these five areas of the county where we have known flooding issues it require special exception approval to
get it I mean it's not saying you can never have an Adu but you would you would it' have to go through a more public maybe staff could put additional conditions I don't know I mean could you be more General about the wording in the code to say in areas of special flood
concern that way if there's any new areas pop let me better ask the question is it some so for instance like the staff has a development manual and they can update their development manual without coming to the Planning Commission they're not changing the code
could that be like in a in a staff administered document where we have these restrictions or would we need when we're dealing with this would we need to have it codified where there would have
to be public hearings and board I think I mean I do think that homeowners have need some level of predictability as to whether I mean there should be something in the code that says whether you do or do not get an Adu I mean when you're or whether you
have to go through some additional process to get your Adu I don't there's probably some things you could put in development manual but we've not I don't know that we've historically Ed the development manual for that purpose the development manual tends to be more procedural yeah and I
don't mean the development manual itself I mean something similar to that where you could have an ad manual that well the board's determined or the board could pass a resolution perhaps that due to problems of access during times of
flooding we are not going to allow adus in this neighborhood or yeah I guess there is probably a way that you could fashen the code to say um you know except in those are it's allowed except in the
areas you know similar like a drain of special concern like where you you adopt some by some subsequent resolution the areas where you want some special treatment whether it's special exception approval or something yes that is possible to do I
mean you can refer to that table and you can have a but I will tell you that to me what works better is kind of like what we do with Wellhead protection we I mean they're mapped I mean they're they're with our Wellhead protection regulations anybody who wants
to and we did have a recent application where we didn't map it properly okay but putting that putting that aside um land owners know that if they're in those areas they there's some there's special regulations that that apply that may prohibit them from doing certain
things and so I my prefer I like predictability in your our code I'd prefer that we have somehow map these I mean if if storm comes back and says it's perfectly fine for us to B adus in to th000 Oaks
and our board degrees I guess that's the answer so so if I may um maybe I can do a better job of asking those specific questions uh to storm water right I was cuz I I wasn't sure if it was fire utilties I it was probably all of them that we had concerned with but it sounds
like specifically we're honing in on storm water so maybe I can get hone in on that specifically I want to be clear I I don't it may not be the only issue but but the reason I'm more focused on is because we're dealing with this issue as we speak I mean we have flooding that
just occurred we have homeowners that were trapped and were lost their homes I'm sensitive to other issues like you know water pressure and things like that but but I don't I don't know if those
weren't the same level of height and screw team height and screw te in my opinion as storm water just because of the risk that storm water creates but the commission may disagree with me are you talking about uh adus that are only
the ones that create imp impervious services or for example if you build an ad on top of your garage like we have in long I mean I I'm I guess I'm less concerned if it's if it's not creating additional appropriate surface but I but these ad regulations
do create more people to it does but and flood but I guess to me the concern goes hand in hand because my my guess is that most of these are not they're going to create some additional and purpose surface I guess what I'm asking try to ask it
better is there a language fix that can be added to the proposed ordinance that would allow the board from time to time to by
resolution add certain neighborhoods to a map wherein adus can't be permitted because of some public health safety or they can only be by special exception there is but to me it should still be tied to some objective criteria
if we don't want to map it I mean maybe you you probably create criteria where you say in areas where flooding has reached the level where it's it's gotten into people's home I mean there's probably a language you could come up with
where even if it's not mapped you could describe in words those areas of the county that there's been a serious flooding issue and I I don't this is why would be
helpful to without storm water here we could kind of fashion something but um I mean for example I don't know if you all remember but we got rid of the asilt requirement out of our code we we didn't get rid of it for
flood prone areas so somehow people were able to identify that as an area that needed special treatment where we were not going to get rid of the asilt requirement maybe that's the language we use I but that may be too broad for you to use I don't know this is where I
really need storm water expertise because they probably know better than well you all are engineers maybe know better than I doesn't mean we know every area of the county that floods but I mean if we wanted to come up with just language that that
where there's some objective standard that says if it's if the flooding has reached a certain level in this area that yeah the D the danger David is it's not only necessarily from what I'm hearing and I agree with you but like a
Thousand Oaks it's not really necessary it may not be only those houses that flood because they may have problems getting there people being able to get rescued from there so it's hard to say and and tie it to a specific house it would be some somehow some area
something I want to just add to and again I completely agree with what you're saying um but I I I always equate accessory dwelling units to an extent to someone adding an addition onto their existing home or something like that um we don't have a a requirement for people
that are adding a bedroom addition onto a home in Thousand Oaks come through and get a special exception um but we would do that if it were an accessory dwelling unit so well my argument would be though that when you get to an accessory ding it's adding the potential for additional
humans well so it was an additional room you got a baby that just Patrick following up your comment when when we had the workshop someone wouldn't need a special exception to build as chairman discussed
a Adu over the garage or an Adu where we close off one section of the house and provide a separate entrance but one would need a special exception when we were going to exceed if the Adu was going to encroach over a
setback line or exceed the lot coverage require lot coverage Max in the zoning District those things were going to require special so is in this version are they all all requiring SE now uh what do you mean are they all all
ad meaning are all do all adus in this version of the ordinance require a special exception or do we have some that so long as they fit within the zoning parameters they don't need a most are actually don't I think tell me if I'm wrong Patrick most of them are not
going to require special exception yeah the vast majority would not it's only if you are uh attempting to go into your setback would you need a special exception if you were attempting to go over your lck coverage you would need a special exception uh basically those development standards would trigger now
you're making my point for me to me if you're building Adu in a place like Thousand Oaks MH that may be more Greedious than intruding into a setback I mean I shouldn't that require a special exception
too uh again potentially uh that's to your discretion I think what I'm thinking is that it really the Crux of it should be is it going to increase the footprint on your lot or because if you build it on top of your garage it's not going to increase
the footprint of your on your lot or if you CH change a room into a child's room instead of the garage that's not going to increase the footprint but if you add to the add to the building or build the bedroom onto the building and and now
it's a 3,000 ft home instead of 2500 so well that's an interesting interesting conundrum because and I'm sorry if the people in Thousand Oaks are listening I don't mean to be picking on
you so to get up and say that we don't want more people to be building stuff in Thousand Oak if we went that route what I'm going where I'm going is that if someone wanted to build an Adu they would then we'd become here and we'd say
well you're increasing the amount of storm water runoff therefore we want to put this restriction or we want to deny your ability to have the Adu but if someone next door to them came in and said well I just want to add another 10 feet to my living
room which wasn't an Adu then we wouldn't look at the storm water impact and that's my point yeah but I mean but the theory of an Adu is it's creating additional living unit I mean in theory it's going to have the additional
kitchen the additional I mean it's it's in theory set up so that somebody could independently live in that unit I I do think it is different than adding 10 ft to your living room you're adding more population to the area with an Adu in my opinion now like I said in 95% of the
cases I don't think this is a problem and I hav said it even if it was on a dirt road I don't know that I care because that's I don't know that that's a health safety issue so let's let me ask this question has staff got any you know
scientific wild guesstimate as to the number of Adu applications they think they might receive in a year uh so I do have a wildly random well I think we talked about it
last time we actually reached out to a lot of surrounding counties and asked you know the frequency of how often they were getting adus submitted I think it's actually kind of kind of in a slide here um so Hillsboro County they said between 150 and 200 penel County said 100 pul
County said 50 Sumpter said not really a big amount um so those are the numbers our neighbors were looking at generally um so I would think maybe for the first year or so we might see around those numbers maybe more I I just I don't know
but I don't think it's in the thousands and part of the reason I'm particularly concerned about storm water is it's a hidden issue I mean you talk to these residents in Thousand Oaks they all bought their homes thinking they had a oh yeah they never had any you know they
were buying into Paradise okay and so you know they were it's just wet I'm just saying if you buy a home on a dirt road or where it's got cell tower next to it you you're buying knowing that what you're getting
into or you move into an Adu in one of those you know what you're getting into you don't you don't really know that with flooding in storm water so so I'm not sure that the people following the thought the reason that I asked the question is perhaps the way
and I personally would feel better about the Adu ordinance to start I don't feel like I think this is a good idea this is something I'm personally willing to support but I think in inevitably anytime we try
something new there's there's going to be some successes and then there's going to be some not so good results and we'll come back and tweak this thing and what I'm wondering is maybe to start should they just all be special exceptions so we can look at them on a Case by case basis but now the problem is we don't
want to overwhelm the Planning Commission with a th000 Adu applications and we would never go home on every other but if there's 100 to 150 in existence in all of Hillsboro County with the population they have I'm not in existence just how many were submitted over the last year over the last
yearli a month the reason the reason I'm a little a I'm concerned about overwheling the Planning Commission but B I don't know that this is a concern in at least 80% of the county sure I mean so why are you going to make
somebody who I agree perfectly high and dry area go through the Planning Commission and have Mr Moody de with them um even though they have you know there's no issues with flooding in their area I mean I I I was hoping storm water
would come back and say Here's the five areas of the county that we have known flooding where we yes we'd have some concerns with additional inpr surface additional residents locating into this area I'm a little surprised they came back and said the whole countyy is fine
I'm a little surprised that they said that David can't you couldn't you just add some kind of thinking someone's going to come refute this David okay hi I'm Larry oy I'm the uh operations manager for Public Works um uh currently right now now as far as the
flooding areas yes there are concerns of of flooding I personally didn't review this because it's not my area for reviewing I am the I just I work on the aftermath of most of the stuff that gets put out there so um however um
understanding what you guys are talking about here um so when it comes to your concern let's say um Thousand Oaks is what you're saying from my understanding as being on the ground out there
Thousand Oaks flooded the streets there wasn't a single home that under my understanding that actually got water in them so when you're when you're talking about terminology as far as how to uh put this in some kind of reg
regulation um as far as flooding is concerned we got to be careful um because you're saying if if your house gets flooded at you know x amount of feet or how much water you got into your home it can cause a problem however there wasn't a single home that I'm aware of in Thousand hes that actually
had water in it now cuz the homes are built at a higher level but the roads are not and that's that's part of the problem out there in Thousand Oaks as far as flooding so getting emergency vehicles and stuff let me ask you a question though so good point but do you think adding additional impervious
surface 2000 Oaks might actually cause flooding to get into homes now when you're saying adding additional impervious uh I don't think that when you're looking at areas like uh that are
governed by HOAs and and uh cdds that they would allow those uh additional um in this case um dwellings to be built uh just from that aspect um okay well I got to stop you there because we don't this
is a zoning regulation we we have no way of knowing whether right HOAs or cdds are more restrictive I mean understand we can't we can't develop a regulation based on go back to to the whole flooding you know issue uh as you mentioned that you wouldn't be concerned
if a if a dirt road would uh you know cuz you live out in the rural area well I can tell you that most of these dirt private rows that that are out there there are a lot out in like the supper Hills out there in the rural areas that are flooded still um that folks can't
move back and forth through their homes because of the their I want clear I when I said I was okay with the dirt road if it was high and dry dirt road I don't think that's a problem if it's an area that where it's flooding that may be a problem so I guess I think he meant is
you can see what a dirt road is versus you can't see potential flooding you you can see a self phone tower but you can't see potential flooding it's a hidden yeah understood and is what he's I guess I I was just I'm surprised that your department answered Patrick's question
with we're perfectly okay with the entire County having adus I'm just that if the answer is because you really are and you have a good explanation I guess I'll live with it I but that's why I gave thousand folks as the example there may be more agous examples but if you're
telling me that you're perfectly okay with additional adus adding being added to Oaks I'll accept that answer I don't I don't believe that we would be saying that the whole county is a is is a candidate for adding adus now
that we don't have that authority to say yes we're good with this and no we're not good with this as far as storm water is concerned because like you said it's a hidden it's a hidden issue as we can all as we all saw over the last year I mean there's areas that that flooded in
this in in the county that never flooded flooded in you know over aund and some odd years so we have to we have to take into account that there's I don't think he's talking about extreme events Thousand Oak o Thousand Oaks is a known flood problem we can get two or three
days of rain in summertime and Thousand Oaks of streets are going to be flooded and to your in the county that H I can think of Holiday Hill in Port Richie that floods and is a constant storm water problem and they don't have
any HOA or CDD that would get in the way of them having adus over there so they see find a to building out so I realize that you're not setting policy I'm not asking you to set policy I'm asking you is there a way
to CU I think Patrick asked the question because we were hoping that you could identify those areas of the county that are like Thousand Oaks not an extreme flooding you know you know extreme hurricane event where you know one A Thousand Years type of thing but you can are like Thousand Oaks
it routinely floods in a heavy range so I would thought that storm water would just know where those areas were and could identify them for Patrick so we could either verbally describe them or map them or do something so that we can well we can that's definitely
that that's how often the the county has an observed flooding layer yeah I was wondering if they can put that up on the map right and BAS how of how often is the observe flooding map updated
uh I would I couldn't answer that off the top of my head sir I mean Under The observed flooding on Pasco maper there's only two boxes it's El of 98 and flood of 2003 yeah I don't think any of like last year stuff haven't been here since
C put the maps together yeah that's I was going to say when you click on flooding there's nothing that pops up in Thousand Oaks yeah I would I wouldn't throw it past them that they would be updating these Maps especially after last year so how
long that takes I could tell you click on the if you click on the Arrow next to observe flooding you can see the I think it would be a good I this sort of following up of Mr Moody suggested those are the only two if it was if we had a map that sort of was routinely updated it would sort of be self-
amending to your point that that every time we updated that map would become now and then we could restrict them in those are it would suddenly become area where you need a special exception to get that if if you were on that mapped area yeah you don't want a cart blanch deny it but make it a special exception
if it's in that area that's what that's what ultimately we were looking for I think we were looking for is is there some map that we could refer to and say if you're in one of these mapped areas we need to take a little higher look at whether an Adu should be allowed
there there there are maps that can be provided yes sir uh and based off our current knowledge of what areas flood in in Pasco County there there are maps that we can create and provide to the planning
department uh to you know to have those available for them and as an as an A S side it would be very helpful to include that onto our Pasco map or under the observe flooding part so just for the future uh yes I would I would definitely
agree to that okay well that's helpful that's helpful so Patrick I how difficult would it be I realize you need to get this to the board so um is this something you think you could accomplish between now and the time this
gets to the board you add some language that refers to some map and says if it's if you're in these map theas you need a special exception to get an Adu I hope so uh don't know what the map looks like and who has it and hopefully him um so
uh hopefully we can get a a hand wrong maybe an understanding of what that map is um you know if it's taken up half the county I don't know if that was the direct result if it's covers a small portion of what's flooded recently I think it's reasonable um but the
language in theory you it's very simple language you just ref yes I just we just need to get the maps the language isn't going to be a big deal so um assuming that all works out fine so are there any other are there any language
changes since the time of the workshop a few things um I think Mr Moody you brought up last time about concern about potential Condominiums we haded language specifically to avoid Condominiums good um I think let me
see I don't think anything drastic changed since the last time other than that you got rid of the architectural the requirment the you said you're getting rid of that right um because we any architectural stuff is going to be handled by the Mudd if the M
mpvd handles architectural design standards so we're not getting involved in the architectural stuff okay we removed um some language abouts Mobility fee stuff uh that was really just an FYI stuff and I they can handle that through the mobility fee tables there's no
reason to put it in the code Mobility fees will be charged they will be charged with the mobility with the Adu rate in the Mobil Mobility fee table so yes they will be charged um some other things we didn't necessarily talk about last time um but
we are changing with this they're generally very minor things um where we need to specifically permit adus in all of the zoning the residential zoning districts so we added that language in all of the uh zoning districts that allows single family homes um we are
also there are some still holdout uh zoning districts that didn't combine accessory coverage and primary coverage um a lot of most of our zoning districts had in time been changed to combine them um we're just I think there's two left
that we didn't do we're combining them so now the coverage is the same for for both the principle and the accessories or additional accessory structure um cut since you're um amending the zoning districts to allow them as a permitted
use how are you dealing with the MPS that there are some MPS that were expressly allows adus mhm what about the MPS that didn't expressly allow the adus are they going to be allowed to do them now if if they
are silence uh our language yes would allow adus okay um let's see added the appendix definition of an Adu that's not a big deal um and we changed some language about the caretaker for uh industrial
areas um that's primarily it there's nothing else major I think changed in the language between from what we talked about last time at the Planning Commission and the what you have in front of you although again we we talked about a few things so if you think of anything
specific that maybe I didn't cover I can try and address anything I have a question I wasn't here but with uh properties west of 19 that in the uh flood evacuation area are those yes Adu
or no Adu we'll see based on this map okay yeah that was that was the Crux of the discussion we just had basically is okay I was just more specific with 19 I think I think where we're going with it B what I'm hearing is if it's on whatever map that gets
created by storm water that it wouldn't necessarily be prohibited but it would require a special exception approval to get any so David let me ask this question what about things like hurricane evacuation zones like for instance should they be restricted in
say evacuation Zone a yeah that was my question yeah I mean my so but you're saying you could be in Hurricane evacuation Zone and not necessarily be on the flood maps he's going to come up with so are you is the
concern about just evacuation like your ability that we're adding right yes population to an area that may need to evacuate right that's the highest level evacuation zone I'll give you my personal opinion we've approved a number of
rezonings in Hurricane evacuation zones where we're adding density to those areas the theory is they do pay this hurricane mitigation fee to help cre shelter capacity that that discussion and they do pay an additional fee to help with the cost of hurricane evacuation
routes but we you know we have not I guess my point is if we're willing to allow an mpud or ukan resoning to add density to Hurricane evacuation area and it's not a known flood area I'm not sure why we necessarily need to restrict adus in those
areas okay I don't think there I don't think the Adu is any worse than what we already allowed is my point and I'm good I think there should be some guidance given to the poor gentleman in the back that's going to have to go back and talk to his people about a
map that we're not talking about storm surge flooding from a hurricane we're talking about routine pesky drainage neighborhoods the these are the ones that flood when we
get you know 2 in of rain in an afternoon thunderstorm not the ones that flood because we got 100 Year stor 100y year hurricane I agree with you I I that was not my like I recognize that yes there could be somebody at risk when you get the
100-year hurricane but we hadn't had a hurricane hit us in what how many years before it's been a long time so but a place like Thousand Oaks place like Thousand Oaks as you said it's flooding even when we don't have hurricanes right so that's my those are the areas I'm
concerned about I just want to make sure that when if they try to develop a map then that's why I asked the question that they don't all of a come sudden come in and say okay everything West and 19 can't have an Adu or right that wasn't what I was
okay right my concern was I mean you all may have that concern that wasn't mine no I I don't know that we should necessarily prohibit B adus based on a once every hundredy year hurricane event I would agree with you
these are the ones the regular run in the- Mill I'm fairly confident the can't design for 40 days and 40 nights right right okay I just want to add on one thing with so if going through that West 19 flood zone area if
you were allowed to edu would it need to be elevated because as a new home need to be elevated in the flood zone because then and then you'd have a 1970s home that's on grade and you'd have an Adu that's 12 beat up I think just a
question you know to think about whatever our flood regulations are when they're building a new structure fortunately the Florida building code do gives you no leeway you are going up in the air right and just to think about that with compatibility and how that would
look just just put neighborhood of houses built on grade and and you have yeah the 900 foot structure up in the air right but if you ask if you ask FEA if you ask fima they're going to say at least that Adu is not at risk yeah right yeah and you've got trailers out
up on I beams that and they'll say it's a place for the people in the house to evacuate you yeah just go to the Adu move upstairs Patrick where did we land on on density calculations as far as an Adu my my example is if somebody Builds an Adu is that all of a sudden two
dwelling units no they're exempt from the comprehensive plan requirements or the comprehensive plan density requirements or restrictions so and accessory dwelling unit is not counting towards or against Den ACC dwelling unit is not a dwelling unit it it's a dwelling unit but it's not by virtue of
the complain amendment that staff processed it's not being counted for purposes of complain and Zoning density okay so we already took care that in the complant amendment right we're not going to deny an edu because it exceeds the density of the zoning or the compant right is that the answer only one Adu
per parcel that's correct okay an Adu is an Adu now a du it's it's a different yeah I was I was reading all the zoning categories I saw those densities and I'm like wait a access to another primary correct structure right but it it is it is
functioning as an independent dwell living unit like it's going to have Patrick can put up the condition the definition but it's got its own kitchen and it's it's not just a bedroom just to we clear it's it's an independent unit that somebody can live
in and never have to go to the main primary structure of but for purposes of density it's it's got a different definition than a normal dwelling unit the issue that we have we talked about this last time is that if it counted toward
density you're going to start seeing to legitimize these you're going to see a bunch of rezonings and complant amendments just to get right adus which is what we were trying to avoid right those are even more egregious than a special exception yeah
I think we had a case recently where we basically were doing a complant Amendment and taking something out of the rural area just to add a single dwelling one unit yeah I don't know if you all remember that y any other questions this is a public hearing so I don't know if any of these folks want to
speak to it okay uh if there are other questions of Patrick then uh for anybody who's still here with us uh does anybody like to comment or have have any questions I take that as a no I'll move
approval was that with the recomend is that with the recommend a change to deal with the storm water situation yes okay second to clarify motion second all in favor signify by saying I I I oppos
like sign motion cares thank you all right thank you [Applause] Patrick left or should we give a motion to adjourn a second okay motion to adjourn
second all in favor all right see if you just [Music]