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Please take your seats. >> Okay. Welcome everyone today. Can you hear us here? All right. We'd like to welcome everybody today. Nice crowd. Uh we're calling the meeting to order

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out agents. To the flag of the United States of America to the stand indivisible with liberty and for Oh, >> roll call, please. >> Jamie Gerardi

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>> here. >> Christopher P. >> John Moody >> here. >> Matthew Muns >> here. >> Derek Pontitz, >> Liam Divine >> here, >> and chairman Charles Gray >> here. >> Thank you. publication, please. >> The items were advertised in the Tampa

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Bay Times on April 22nd, 2026 and May 27th, 2026 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. >> Thank you very much. Um, we have approval of the minutes, please.

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>> Motion to approve the minutes from the meeting, uh, planning commission meeting and the workshops held on August 7th, August 21st, and November 6th. Second have a motion and second. Any further discussion of the motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying I.

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>> Like sign. Okay. So again, we'd like to welcome everybody today commission. We're appointed by the board of county commissioners twice a month to serve as a local planning agency public hearings

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to the board of county commissioners. Our recommendations, land amendments, land development code amendments, resigning, additional use requests. The planning commission is the final decision making by special exceptions

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fields, variance requests, certain authentic or standard requests. However, any recommendations that we make may be appealed to the board of county commissioners. Anyone's opposition to any comprehensive plan amendment land development code amendment

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for any conditioning or otherwise the planning commission transmits to board of county commissioners. It will be important for you to attend the appropriate board of county commissioner meeting. We do have those dates available for you to

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those of you who are not familiar with the format of the meetings. Um we have three sections, continuences, consent items, and regular items. We'll go through the uh the items one at a time. There's something that we you hear on

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consent that you want to be heard or you need to talk about, raise your hand. Collo consent and we'll put it on the regular items. Same thing with continuences. It's our custom to do. um grant continuences if they're

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requested by the staff or the applicant um unless there are extenduating circumstances. So we um also have a period for public comment on things that are not part of today's agenda.

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And I'll give you a moment to do that. But in the meantime, anyone who has your phones with you, please I ask you silent position and so these people

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do that myself. Okay. So, uh, before we start the meeting, um, does anyone here needs to speak on something that's not on today? >> Come on up. >> Thank you. Nancy Hayeswood 34110, A Nice

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Place. Hello. Good afternoon. You're in for quite a ride today. >> Okay. >> Anybody who might plan to speak today, if you could please stand and raise your right hand. >> Do you swear affirm the testimony you're

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about to give is the truth be God? >> Thank you. So, I'd like to thank the county for taking into consideration night meetings for the BBC and the planning. I'm sure we can find a way

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to not inconvenience anyone in doing this with meetings um because maybe they'll run on too long. I'm sure we can find a way around that. I have heard so many times I can't attend I work I'm

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hoping this gives some people a voice and thank you again um staff board everybody working on that thank you so topic two when is enough enough over and over we

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have developers coming back and asking for more or asking for high densities when they submit this has been a terrible burden on the citizens of Pasco. What you used to take what used to take 20 minutes driving time now is

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over an hour. New roads are not going to help. That just encourages more development. I keep waiting for the county to change rules and regulations to take the burden off the citizens in this instance. If anyone wants to give relief to Pasco

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citizens, I think this would be a good subject to think about. I'd like to call your attention to the overhead. Um, you having trouble getting it? There it is. Maybe you blow it up a bit more so

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they can read it. Uh, this is a legal noses in last week's Tampa Bay Times. Unfortunately, the announcement of water problems with our drinking water is not an unusual occurrence. This one is from Hillsboro

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County. You find these legal ads from all over Florida and the US when our when we're having problems with the water. Is it really a good idea to inject anything into our aquifers when man has a record of making mistakes with

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our drinking water? This might be another reason for not allowing high density subdivision divisions. Thank you for listening to my thoughts. I really do think highly

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of everyone here, the commission and the staff. I know I badger y'all terribly, but I love you anyways. >> Please continue the good work and consideration of us. Thank y'all. Mr. Chair, we do not have individuals

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pre-register this week for non-aggenda items. Okay. Um, in an effort to uh try to expedite some of our concerns, um, let me just ask a general question. How many people are here for item number

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13? >> Uh for my purposes, how many people are in favor of the moratorium? Can >> you speak clearly please? >> Proposing to establish a temporary moratorum.

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>> And what I want to know is are you here to speak in favor of the temporary moratorum or against talking about temporary. What I want to do is in order to expedite the system here is

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anyone who wants to speak on the moratorum obviously we're going to give you an opportunity but if you're going to I already know that you're in favor of it as are many of us here probably. Um,

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so I'd like to um move number 13 to the beginning of what we're going to do and ask the county tell us about the mortorium, what they want to try to accomplish and so everybody has an idea where we're going

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and anybody who wants to come up and speak can but I'll I'll ask you if you do come up and speak please don't say the same thing person your name address please >> all right good afternoon planning

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commission members planning development economic growth And we are here to talk about the temporary moratorium on data centers. This is a proposed ordinance by the Pasco County Court of Commissioners establishing a temporary moratorum

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on the submission and acceptance of applications for data centers, large scale data centers and develop or um Oh, sorry. Excuse me. I'm I'm off track. I'm usually used to having somebody read this for me. um in orders by the pass

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county board of county commissioners establishing a temporary moratorium on the submission and acceptance of applications for building permits site plans, development orders, development agreements, special exception uses, conditional uses, reszonings and comprehensive plan amendments related to

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data centers, large-scale data centers and other large load customers within unincorporated Pasco County providing for authority legislative findings effect temporary moratorium imposed duration of temporary moratorum severability and an effective date.

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And I do want to state for the record that additional public comments were received after the publishing of this agenda. Those comments were submitted to the clerk consent to board records. Okay. And so as I mentioned, this is the moratorum for the data centers, large scale data centers and large load

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customers as defined by Florida statutes. Just to give some context as to what a moratorum is, it is a temporary pause on all development applications to preserve the status quo allowing the county to consider applications and impacts of data centers. The moratorium is not a

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permanent ban on such uses. The board of county commissioners has directed this temporary moratorum to allow the planning, development, and economic growth department the time and opportunity to research land use compatibility of data centers with surrounding uses. Consider the impacts of electricity demand, water

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consumption, wastewater treatment capacity, and environmental concerns. Research the efficacy of best practices from jurisdictions nationwide, and to consider the appropriateness of data centers in Pasco County, and if necessary, develop any appropriate definitions or regulations for such

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uses. In addition to those points, a growing number of local governments have enacted or are in the process of enacting moratoria to allow careful consideration of this emerging land use challenge. In Florida, the following counties and

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municipalities have adopted or are in the process of adopting a moratorum. These include Citrus, Nassau, Hernando, Holmes, Bay, Clay, Jackson, Flaggler, Palm Coast, the city of Zephr Hills, and

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now Pasco County. As a result of this moratorum, a number of potential revisions to the L LDC may be needed to regulate data centers within Pasco County. Existing conditions within our code do not currently specify that data centers are a use within any zoning district. Nor are there any

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standards that would regulate such uses. Additionally, the signing of Senate Bill 484, the state recognized under Florida statute 373.262 that data centers and other large load customers present unique and challenging considerations and that local

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jurisdictions should have control um over such regulation. To provide clarity on the applicability of the moratorum, the county will not accept any applications for data centers and other large loads customers including the following um building permits, site plans, development orders

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and agreements, special exceptions, conditional uses, resonings, and comprehensive plan amendments. The moratorum will not apply to server rooms or computer rooms that typically house IT or network equipment. that are located within a building or on site and

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are incidental to the primary use of that building. Planning, development, and economic growth department recommends that the planning commission accept public comment and find the proposed ordinance consistent with the comprehensive plan. And I'm here for questions, concerns,

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anything. Thank you. Very good. Any questions? Thank you. statute. Unfortunately, the statute is still us. And while you're can you tell us what the difference is between a data center

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and a large scale data center too please get a little closer >> David Angel planning and economic development director. So, Mr. Pool, we can't answer that question. Our analysis has to be comprehensive and thorough to ensure that we understand what the data

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center industry is, where it's going, how it affects our community. But I can tell you that just by talking to peers, stakeholders, and other people, there seems to be a defining line of what's a a permissible type of local data center.

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And that that's the 25 20 megawatt limit. I don't know what that means, but from what I understand, when you're 20 megawatts or less, you can use a condenser cooling system that doesn't use as much water and it doesn't draw down on the enormous power that a

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hyperscaler center would be. So, um, we don't have any definitions now and that's why we're asking for the planning commission to endorse our temporary moratorium to allow us to do the research and then come back and report to the LPA at an additional at a future date. thingatorium

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says that the data center is a large scale data center in sections 373203 Florida statutes large

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statutes we have what their current language is because when I check on version of the statutes they had been updated. >> Yes, to answer your questions, um under chapter 2026-65, which is where the

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Senate bill um after the sign wound up there, um they did define large load customer to mean a customer with anticipated peak load of 50 megawatts or more calculated an average load of over a 15minute interval at a single location. Um, additionally they went

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through in section 372.203 to say a data center means a facility that primarily contains electronic equipment used to process, store and transit transmit digital information which may be a freestanding structure or a facility within a larger structure

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which uses environmental control equipment to maintain the proper conditions for the operation of electronic equipment. They further define large-scale data center meaning a single location with a data center on site that has an anticipated monthly peak load of 50 megawatts or more.

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Again, calculated the highest average load over 15-minute interval. >> Exception provided. Is that So our goal here is to um exclude server rooms and computer rooms that are typically used as a secondary use, something that's incidental to the

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primary use. Um many buildings have those those types of rooms or or facilities within them and we're trying to make sure that those aren't encompassed within the mortorium. I understand that. I I get that. I concerned where is that in this

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>> there? There I think Mr. Moody, you're referring to the statement of necessity that the board of county commissioners if they deem a a proposal for a data center as a essential necessity for the county, they could in fact consider it and take action on it. And that

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statement of necessity is designed for the context of let's say uh the Spiros project came in and they needed a a a small data center that will service the pilot technology and the life sciences campus and that's that that's something

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that we would consider and bring to the board. But that's the only way we'd bring something in the board is ptorium. >> That's a different exception though than than the one for server rooms and computer rooms. Oh, that that that is uh the server rooms, computer rooms are

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asking to be exempt from the moratorum, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Not opposed to the providing the exception. I think we all recognize we need server ranging computer rooms to run our >> hear me.

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Yeah. The reason I'm asking about asking about this discussion, I want to make sure that the language that's in this doesn't create a road map for somebody

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to call something to call one of these data centers if we're trying to get our names. unless something slide is and societ. So I'm thinking, okay, I can come in

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here and build a giant warehouse and then put a data center in the back of the warehouse and say, well, use this as a warehouse. So how do we draw that line? >> Well, first of all, uh there is a

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determination here that data centers are not data processing centers, which we do allow. Number two, um in the event that there is a a user that has um server space or some type of IT apparatus

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that's inside the building and supports directly and solely the use of that building that would be a principal use. So if you're if you do a warehouse with a data center, it's not incidental to the to the warehouse.

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You said something. >> Well, that's he's referencing the state. I'm telling you, you know, you asked um from our standpoint, what do we consider a smaller one versus a larger one? We don't have a county definition. I was just telling you that I have been in

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discussions with some utilities and some potential users and it appears to me that they're drawing a distinctive boundary with anything below 20 megawatt. So I think what I'm getting at the speed as me question

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wouldn't it be to put that megawatt limitation in this exception make sure somebody can't see it under >> well what happens we find that the number that we find acceptable as far as the impacts in the community is 15 make

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plots. I mean that's that's why I'm just telling you what I know to date and I'm telling you that I'm not an expert on it at this point and we need time to do the research. >> Thanks for the question. >> Thank you. That's

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ahead. Yes. What is the process we're going to use? Acquire the data that we need to determine what regulations we need to

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implement to regulate back. So, um, we're what we're going to do is we are going to extend oursel out to industry professionals. We're actually talking to actually people that do data centers just to find out what their business models are, what their needs

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are. We're speaking to all utilities. We're going to have an open stakeholder engagement exercise. We're going to speak to uh our economic projects that are out there and also solicit public input. And um we are going to be

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accumulating a library of white papers and research that the board of county commissioners has requested that we extend that access to them also. so they're aware of the the literature and the data. And then we're going to uh prepare um through assistance through our county attorney's office a draft

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ordinance to regulate andor prohibit data centers here in Pasco County. >> And is this in the form of land development code amendments? >> Yes, sir. Because one of the things I checked before here today is there's not

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one section of our comprehensive plan that talks about power supplies. So perhaps some sort of we're now working on the new comprehensive plan. Maybe we need to put section into the

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comprehensive plan dealing with energy. >> Right. And also in our stakeholders, we want to talk to our water natural resources people. We want to talk to our utilities people. Um and and might I add obviously the u utilities have a stake

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in the game and they're providing it and now they're required to have an analysis so they don't they don't cause the actual citizen rateayers a burden of higher electric bills because of uh data centers. So it's going to be a very dynamic process but we are going to be

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looking under every rock that we can you >> I do have a question do we actually have any data centers currently in >> not that we're aware of >> you mean do you mean large scale data

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centers or do you the he gave you a definition of data center state definition of data center is clearly broad so I guess my it is broad enough to include server rooms that's why you need to be clear when you're much I guess my question will be because of the

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definition for a large scale data center it's 50 megawatts more do we have any of those >> I'm not aware of any of those >> do you know if there are any plans somebody brought up the the concept of spiros and obviously the research they're doing there. Do you know if

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there are any plans for a data center to be built there in the future >> as part of Smeiros? >> Yeah, >> I'll let David speak to that again. >> Okay, >> David opened the door. So, >> so I want to let the public and the planning commission know we have no active application for a data center at

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this time. >> I I do want to let you know that I've had some brief communication with with some data center users. um nothing definitive there. There's no concept site plan. There's no specific plans to

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move on anything. Just inquiries. And as of late, we've had one inquiry about a data center um to be used potentially located in a employment center business park, but that was just conceptual. There's nothing active right now. In the

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in case of um Spiros, we have had general conversations with them over the last two years about the need for some type of data center support that's focused on delivering services only to the campus.

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>> Thank you. Thank you. >> I do have a question. Um, I want to make sure this is clear. If the school district has server rooms, I want to make sure none of our server rooms, if they're on individual sites. I can't think of any

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that are on individual sites that are not going to get caught up in that something that is going to be part of this exemption that does not apply. I just want to make sure that the purpose of the exemption is to exclude server

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rooms. So, are you saying you have server rooms that wouldn't that don't qualify for that under that language? My question is internally to a building where such room is incidental to the primary use. We might have a building that's primary is is a circle room and

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is collecting that data. >> So that's my question. >> If it was existing then there would be no issue. But if it would only be an issue if you were building a new freestanding building

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that only that its only purpose was >> data center >> data center. But do we care? A building whose primary purpose is being a hazard

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amount of electricity and doesn't require millions of gallons of water to cool the service. >> That's why I asked about this definition. >> I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman Victoria is playing development economic growth.

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So that would the school facility >> would the school facility have people working there? >> Yeah. So like for example, Pasco County has an IT building >> that has a lot of equipment in it but also has a lot of people working in it. That would not be considered a data

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center. >> So just individuals working there. That's enough for >> those are currently being those are currently understood as data processing Mr. Angle mentioned the a distinction. Those are currently separate facilities.

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>> Terry, in the interest of clarity, wouldn't it make sense to put that refine the language here to include that so it's clear what what's covered by exception, but

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I mean that last bullet on there does describe what I'm talking about. PM35 was attached as a as a as an accompanying document for the discussion on the moratorum and that explains the the distinction between data processing

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and what the state is understanding this data centers and what we need to then do with data. So I'm familiar with the county's building that is used for that and they have other offices in there that are used by staff and other staff as as

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remote locations. So I don't necessarily know the school district site set up like that. So that's my concern is I don't want I know if it's already existing it's fine. I think it falls under that definition,

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but we have an individual building that used as that. I don't know the other data processing definition that this the county has. I don't know what that determination was made.

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that data factors are not being processing >> but if it's existing it's not going to be affected by >> so can I make the comment that really this whole discussion is centered around resource use right so we're all

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concerned about using water using power making you know creating a a burden on on the rest of the citizens because of this resource use so why can't we look at that as hey if this is not going to be using tremendous resources then it's

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going to not fall in the mortoriia. If it's something that's going to cause a strain potentially cause a strain of resources and then that would fall. So maybe we we need to define that a little bit better in terms of that's really the central that's the crux of the whole thing. Well, it it is

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those are the potential impacts of data centers, but we want to have to quant we want to quantify it to stress test it and that's why we need a temporary long term because we wanted to freeze the PLAbody when you do these things.

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what we want to do with identify beyond the connective access. >> Well, I I believe that our agenda item is very clear. Um there are there are data centers that want to be here in Florida and here in Pasco and they have certain impacts that we're aware of and

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it warrants an extensive analysis. So, we don't want to have data centers come in before we have an ability to extend our land development code amendments to regulate them. So >> another way to address the concern, I

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don't know if it does or not, but I mean modify this exception just take out the qualifier that it be located internal to a building because in the case of the school district, it is incidental to the primary use. I mean I think the data center that

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that we're trying to get a moratorium on, it's not the primary use is data center >> is data center. So the case in the S district it's serving a primary use of bureau serving a hospital

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maybe modified the exception that we're qualified the exception about it being located internal to the building that may solve the concern. I don't know Mr. wants to focus on not having things

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slip through the wire to be even open. >> Want to make sure that we don't accidentally something that we don't have an objection to only issue of the data centers has become a focus with the development

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of AI. Nobody's had a complaint about the data, at least not that I'm aware of. Nobody's had a complaint about the data centers powering Facebook or X or the standard Google search that we are

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all used to knowing or Yahoo. Those haven't seem to have been a problem. with the development of AI that this excess power and water and the noise that comes from generating the electricity and the emissions that go with that that's where the concerns have

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arised. So I want to make sure that if the next Meta wants to the next social media company wants to have a campus in Pasco County that isn't necessarily a problem

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what we're trying to create regulations for. It's those large scale data centers associated with AI seem to have on the hills. I want to make sure that things that we're that we're comfortable with still be allowed. That's why I'm

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parsing the definition here. What I'm hearing is the staff has some discomfort of the setting a megawatt threshold at this time. >> Yeah. Because they just don't have enough information to do. So, so what I'm saying is if we just strike the grade located internally to a building

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from this exception, I think that encompasses what the school district is concerned about because it still has to be a server room or computer room housing it or related network equipment and it's got to be incidental to the

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primary use in the building or on the site. That still seems like that covers >> that covers my concern. that covers it. Still there still I think those are the majority of the uses that it sounds like we're concerned about not being subject

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to the more prohibit a traditional data center that we're used to that haven't caused issues. But the I think the intent staff's intent is just trying to make sure we're not prohibiting those that are accessory to

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a primary other use that they still want to study data centers where the primary use is a data center. >> Mr. Mr. Goldstein, may I introduce what I think is the modeling data centers from what we've been having initial discussions. Data centers are like

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master developers. They build a structure. It's a speculative structure. They put in the cooling system, the utilities, and all the things that are necessary. They put in rack space, and then they lease the rack space out. So, they're basically having a condominium

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for AI servers. So, um, in the case of the school district or, um, Metler Toledo or, you know, local business, when they have computer equipment, they're not they're not that that's a as as David said, that's accessory, the primary use. They're not in the business

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of renting out rack space and infrastructure. What about somebody whose primary business is? So for instance, >> that's what I'm trying to make sure it's it's clearly

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I will find out more. public was about this but it's the very large scale data centers that seem to draw the eye of public nobody seems to have a problem with

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speed you know your local west side host who is running a very large server population but they're not using millions of gallons of water having their own steel power generator I going to certainly still allow tech to

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come to Pasco County. >> Well, that's why we have a a statement of necessity in the body of uh moratorum in the policy memorandum to allow the board to look at those special instances that they may arise during the moratorum

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period and take action as they see fit. One step further, if yield came to Pasco County and they had an accessory use of that for their equipment, this would allow it. >> That's all I'm trying to figure.

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>> Yes. because this would not allow is just king that's their only model was just finding >> want to make sure there's a process by which we can allow things which can be

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beneficial to the don't get tied up because the the definition of data center I think the intent of the exclusion was to cover what we just talked about I think what Maybe we missed the marks by saying it had to be located internal to a

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building, but I think if you exclude that phrase, I think it covers what you're concerned about. I'll just make one statement for the record, judging by what's sitting out in the audience um in front of us that when the public process starts we should make

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it as accessible to the public as as possible because there's obviously a tremendous amount of concern. Such a statement for the record. Anything else? >> Hey, thank you. Thank you very much.

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>> Okay. Is there anybody else here to speak for the county? Is there anybody that um wants to This is an information that they don't you don't think we already have. >> Some information

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>> just don't want a repetition of the same thing. >> It's not a repetition. >> Have you signed the name? You signed up. >> I signed up for something else. But >> we have two individuals signed up to speak on this item and we have 20

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individuals signed up to speak on this item in the audience. Okay. >> Facts. >> If you haven't signed up and you want to speak, you'll probably give me an opportunity to do so after >> because I have

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a meeting. >> If you can get people on WebEx now, >> the first individual on WebEx is Mr. Ryan Broom. >> Yes. Good afternoon. Thank you for the

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opportunity to speak. My name is Ryan Broom, a Pasco County resident. Um, wanted to share my concerns about the prospect of a data center development in our area. Uh, first concern >> full name, we need your address, and we

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need you to be informed. Sure. Ryan Broom and my address is 1675 Weathered Windmill Terrace. Okay. And if you raise your right hand, please. >> Do you swear affirm the testimony you're

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about to give is the true self you got? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Um, so my first concern is land use. Data centers often occupy large tracks of land that could otherwise be used for a variety of uses, including housing,

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parks, small businesses, or mixed use. Once these facilities are built, they can shape the character of a community for decades. Secondly, I'm concerned about infrastructure demands. As you guys have discussed, data centers require significant electrical capacity and in some cases substantial water

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resources for cooling. Third, I think it's important to evaluate the economic trade-offs honestly. While data centers can represent large capital investments, they generally employ far fewer people than office campuses or commercial developments similar size. Additionally,

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the quality of life. Large facilities can introduce lots of noise from their cooling equipment, backup generators, and electrical infrastructure. They can also alter views and change the visual character of the neighborhoods and rural areas that residents value. Finally,

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transparency and long-term planning matter. Residents should have access to clear information about environmental impacts, tax incentives, infrastructure costs, and future expansion plans before major decisions are made. I just want to state I fully oppose any data centers

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being considered or built in Pasco. I hope that the decision makers will carefully weigh these costs and benefits and ensure that residents are fully informed and consider whether this type of development aligns with the long-term vision for our community. Thank you again for your time and for listening to

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my concerns and that of local residents. >> For the record, we need to know what your background is in this particular field. Uh yes, my background I'm a resident in Pasco County. >> I mean, do you have any background in

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this particular field or you're speaking from any particular knowledge or just your your assumptions? >> I I haven't built any data centers and I don't work in data centers. No, I don't I don't have any uh experience in them.

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No. It's important to know for everybody to know. So, I appreciate your time and I appreciate your your making the effort to be here to have us listen to your concerns and I think some of the things

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are concerns we all have. So, thank you very much. Who's next, >> Mr. Chair? The next individual on WebEx is James. Jamie Courtney. >> Hi. Yes, I'm here.

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>> Jamie, uh, give us your full name and your address and we sworn, please. >> Yes. So, my name is Jamie Thornton, 7304 Rockwood Drive.

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>> Okay. And you raise your right hand. >> Yes. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth to help you God? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Go ahead. >> Okay. So, I just

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>> I just wanted to say that I agree with the temp moratorum. However, I am pushing for a permanent ban in Pasco County for any kind of data center. And if it's ever considered, other countries are doing far more superior things than

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using land. they are putting them underwater since water is such a big resource that these data centers need. So I just wanted to say that's what I'm opposed to anything on land but I do support the temporary moratorum. I just

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push for a permanent ban. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. >> Yes. You're welcome. I believe the legislation that allows actionary talking about the state legislation or for

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the state legislation. The state legislation doesn't regulate the length of our moratorum, but there's case law that suggests that you can't do a mortorium longer than 12 months. >> However, if you're asking whether the

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state legislation allows you to permanently ban them, the answer is yes, you can. >> Okay. Anybody else online? There are no hard individuals online. Okay. >> Is anybody else signed up?

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>> In first individual signed up to speak is Marilyn Hollerin. >> Yeah. >> Marilyn Hollerin. >> And your address? >> Um 8852 Kilmer Way in Hudson. >> You been sworn there? >> I have.

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>> Okay. Thanks for this opportunity to um speak with you. I appreciate it and your time. So um I speak on behalf of the Democratic Environmental Caucus of Florida. I'm the president of the Pasco

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chapter of that organization. We're here because Pasco County is on the front line of climate change. Rising cities, record heats, worsening storms, and hypers scale data centers are among the largest single source of new carbon

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emissions and heat load on the planet. Approving one here without a climate impact study is a decision this county would feel for generations. Developers are scouting Pasco County now. Adjacent counties have already approved projects tied to a grid that

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runs on fossil fuels. more than 70% of the time. Once the proposal arrives at this meeting, terms of what gets built here become much harder to shape. We're not asking for development to be stopped. We're asking this board to

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answer one question before any permit is issued. What is the carbon cost of what is being built here? And who in Pasco County lives with the climate consequences? Florida's electrical grid runs on 70%

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fossil fuels. Every megawatt hour consumed by a data center in Pasco is overwhelmingly generated by burning natural gas or oil on a single hypers scale facility drawing 100 megawatts continuously generates roughly 400,000

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metric tons of carbon dioxide per year equivalent to putting 85,000 additional cars on Florida roads permanently every year. facility operates. Carbon load compounds the climate risks Pasco already faces where coastal and

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low-lying county. More emissions mean more intense storms, higher storm surge, faster sea level rise and longer heat events all landing here on these residents on this infrastructure. And the heat is not only in the atmosphere.

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Data centers exhaust industrial waste heat directly into the surrounding environment. measurably raising ambient temperatures in nearby neighborhoods and accelerating the urban heat island effect in a county that already records some of the highest

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heat related illnesses in the state. There's a path forward that does not require choosing between climate and development require renewable energy sourcing as a permanent condition. Other states do it and Florida statute does

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not prohibit it. Um, we ask three things. First, require full greenhouse gas, county, and climate impact assessment. Second, mandate renewable energy sourcing. And third, require annual public carbon reporting

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so residents know what this board approved and what it cost the climate. And I made it for three minutes. Thank you very much. The next individual is >> Hi, good afternoon everyone. My name is Carol. I live at 5244 Hawk Drive and

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Holiday and I speak on behalf of the Democratic Environmental Caucusive Pastor. I am the vice president. We are here because when industrial facilities of this scale move into a county, they do not land in

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wealthy neighborhoods. They land next to the band who have the least power to stop and the least resources to flag the consequences. They develop our scouting pass county now. And we're not asking to stop development. We're asking the board

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to answer one question before any permit is issued. Which Pasco County communities will bear the noise, the heat, the diesel exhaust, the water flow and the infrastructure and do they know to come data centers by developing three

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criteria sorry cheap land access and water availability. These shifts of emerging most often in lower income and rural communities, places with less organized political opposition, lower productivity values and local

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governments under economic pressure to anything that arise with a tax revenue number attached. These facilities bring diesel generators exhaust during outages and these generates frequently. They bring continuous flow frequency waves

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for cleaning equipment that runs 24/7. They draw water from the shared aquifer and they generate 20 to 50 permanent jobs that may occupy hundreds of acres and operate for decades. The profits flow

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out of the county. The pollution, the noise, the water depletion, and the infrastructure cost stay concentrated in the neighborhoods that were already the most vulnerable. That's the definition of environmental justice. Federal law does not require an environmental

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justice analysis before land use approval. This board can't require one anyway. Prohession applies to it. It is an act of governance and it is overdue. In April, county approved a 2.6 billion 4.4

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million square foot hypers scale campus in Fort E, a rural community of 5,300 people. Majority working class with limited capacity to monitor or enforce is approved. No environmental degree no community health baseline

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resurrectionship communities that fit the same profile and this board has the authority to make sure they are not. We are asking for three things. First require a community health and recommend just screen for any

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vote identifying which county population are within the impact and with the cumulative I already carried. Second mandate binding community benefit agreement as a condition of approval. Third is one community meeting in the

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affected neighborhood before the board votes. Thank you. Thank you. Want everybody to have time to speak that wants to bring something new. Mr. >> Chair, the next individual is David

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Hammond. Okay, David. Good afternoon. My name's David Hammond. I live at 300034 better. >> I live at 300034 Diana Woods Lane in West Cap.

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>> I have been data centers have become the backbone of a digital economy. Nobody wants them, but everyone uses them, whether they know it or not, whether they want to or not. The concern can no longer be about stopping their development. The concern

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must now be about managing their growth where we want them and how we want them to operate with a firm set of regulations that will limit their impact on the surrounding community wherever they land. The primary issues that concern Pasco

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residents are very well known. excessive power and water consumption, noise, air, water and thermal pollution, poor site aesthetics, and few employment opportunities. So few, in fact, that the ratio of employed workers to total sight size or a data center is among the

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lowest of any commercial or industrial land use. Even an automated warehouse has better employment ratio on the order of 15 to 40 times higher. Lesser known are good techniques to mitigate these issues. This is because good techniques

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are in short supply. However, they do exist and it's up to us to ensure developers avail themselves of them. You want a site, a data center in Pasco County, these are the table stakes. The county would provide an appropriate industrial site where no one lives and

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allow it to be built there. This site would provide hundreds of acres of mature trees for noise containment. They'll augment the tree buffer with BMS and other noise abatement technologies. Tell them the power grid is off limits and they are responsible for developing

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their own clean power. Tell them the aquifer is off limits and that they can either use immersion cooling technology, no water, low power, or they can put pull and desalinate water from the Gulf. Tell them they must install a ground

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level heat exchange to prevent the uh development of a heat island around the south around the site. When complete, the site must not present a sterile landscape. Pasco County has valuable resources. A data center developer wants

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access to land, power, water. This means that the county holds the cards. We dictate what the terms of doing business in Pasco County are if you want to build and operate a data center here. These are multi-billion dollar corporations. Surely they are capable of meeting the

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demands of the residents who don't want their power rates to go up, who don't want the quality and quantity of the water coming out of the aquifer to go down, and who don't want the quiet pastoral character of their countryside to be fouled and potentially ruined by a massive industrial complex. Remember,

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gentlemen, you work for us. You don't work for the developers of the data center. the resident on you to make the correct choices and assure our needs are met. Thank you for your time. Thanks. Next individual is

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>> good morning gentlemen. My name is 102. Um it appears that the decision by people has already been made that it's either a they don't want a data center or b they want it under very strict

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limited controls and what I have not heard I've heard it alluded to the lady who called in on the phone the second one alluded to it but she didn't elaborate let me elaborate real quickly a data center could solve all of these problems

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if it was built underwater. Oh my god. China is currently doing that. Jeff Bezos is currently doing that. Why underwater? Well, number one, it solves Pasco County, as you well know,

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was running short of water. Well, before we had this massive influx of people moving from all over the country here. Now, it's it's exacerbated that problem to the point that it's ridiculous. And it's only getting worse. We don't need

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more of our water used. If you put build the data center like China and Jeff Bezos and other people have started to do, you build underwater. Salt water, the salinity of salt water makes it absorb heat much more

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efficiently than fresh water. We happen to have a big body of salt water here. Globe of America right outside. Okay, we can build it there. We won't be tapping into our water. We won't be tapping into our land use that several people

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commented about. I think we're at the point now we already know there's a problem. Now it's the point of let's what are we going to do to solve the problem. That is a viable alternative and I think whoever was looking into building this should

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look strongly into this direction for building the data center. Thank you. No alternatives. Next individual is Christy Zimmer. >> Okay. >> Good afternoon, gentlemen. I have another concern. Have you seen the most

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recent headlines? It says >> if you address >> Oh, Christy Zimmer address is on record. Nvidia will pay your >> 365. I only have 3% left on my phone if I'm

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going to get this in 2% now. Nvidia will pay your electric bill if you host an AI server at your home. The proposed program would spread AI computing across residential properties rather than massive super farms. A new distributed com computing project powered by NVIDIA

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aims to turn residential properties into many mini AI hubs. Come on, stretch that a whole lot further and let's not allow that either. When you're doing your research, I beg you, please look at those micro units as well. consider

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doing a citizen advisory committee with people across the county while you're doing this research so that you can get citizens input and information from them as to how they feel about this process as it moves forward. Um I have another big concern and no

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disrespect sir at all but who in Pasco County has the expertise to review the concerns with a high level of scientific knowledge to determine what is and isn't safe. Please make sure we get the right appropriate people in this process as we

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research this and please take into concern the micro units that this company is actually offering property owners. We can't allow that. We've got to put something in there to stop that. Thank you.

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The next individual is Chris Chris. >> Hi, my name is Chris Shaver. I live at 37707 waterways, Florida. Thank you for hearing us out. My question is why? Why is this still even

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available or on the ballot or into consideration? We have major companies coming down here all the time building these huge warehouses that are supposed to be supplies. How do we know what's going to go on

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inside of those facilities? Do we have a monitor at every single one to find out how much data they're using? what they're putting in, when they're putting it in, what solar use. I don't think so. It saddens me as long as I've been down here to watch the whole area turn into

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one big cover. Why are you doing this? This is your job. Listen to the people. They're telling you right now, no, don't do it. Why isn't it a temporary? Why isn't it a permanent? Why? Thank you.

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David Apple. >> Sorry. Good afternoon. My name is David Haplin. I'm a Pasco resident at 13415 Rome Drive in Hudson. I'm here to ask you right now, uh, we

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have and I hear everybody talking about the strain on the the water company, the electric company. Well, where where where is the regulations that are going to contain these electric company and

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the water company instead of putting a cost on us because I mean electric companies I mean they're they're they can charge whatever they want right now and that that is my big concern. And then you talk about

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putting it in water. We don't even know the effects of putting it in water yet. And yet we have a core reef up here that that produces algae that is poisonous and it's deteriorating. So

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I mean we need we need time to study this and that's why I support the moratorium. Let's let's pause. Let's put a pause on this. Let's not jump to conclusions and let's get the right answers in here.

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>> Thank you. Sir, sir. >> Yes. >> Can you use your sworn and restate your >> I was sworn in. >> Okay. Can you restate your address? >> Oh, it's 13415 Rome Drive, Hudson, Florida. >> Thank you.

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>> And I'm retired disabled veteran. >> The next individual is Laura Stre. I'm gonna pass because questions were already spoken about it. >> Cindy there. >> I've been doing a lot of research and a

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lot of homework. Hi, my name is Cindy Scarta. I've been sworn in. I'm from 29157 Coochini Lake Drive. I'm speaking as a concerned citizen not only for my county of Pasco but the whole state of Florida actually. Uh I'm in favor of the

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moratorum. I think it should be a permanent moratorum given our fragile water supply and our unique geological environmental characteristics. We are built on limestone very poorest. Our aquafer is already under massive stress

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because of our population growth. Tampa Bay region is in its worst drought in 50 years. Uh it's enduring one of the mo the worst water supply car uh shortages in 50 years with officials warning of severe restrictions and a heavy reliance

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on groundwater and desalinating seawater. Um right now Pasco County is under a phase three modified water shortage order. So, I'm being asked to not water my lawn, not wash my car, turn off the water while I'm brushing my

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teeth, but we are going to consider massive data centers that consume huge amounts of our precious water. Um, I just believe that the does do we really need more death centers in Florida? We

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have 120 of them with four more coming. Two more right there over in um Pulp County. So is there really a need? Uh I think given our unique um aquifer system that we we should really um do a

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fullscale moratorium. You just said that the law doesn't prevent you from doing that that you have a permanent ban. I've researched and I found that Pasco County's fid uh flidian aquafer is not considered suitable for largecale data center operations because of its fragile

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hydro geology, limited freshwater yield and the vulnerability to overping. We're seeing sink holes uh other things like that. Also, there are other community concerns, noise, heat, uh not only electricity, water, but um all those

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other concerns as far as massive land use. So, I am in favor of the moratorum. I believe we should have a permanent moratorum. Florida's unique. You know, we have a different type of water system here. We have a different kind of limestone geology and I think that

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should very much be uh put into consideration. So, thank you very much for taking the time, allowing you to speak today, and I'm glad you're here representing your citizenry and listening to the people in your community that elect you into office.

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So, thank you. Thank you. >> Next individual is Jan Davis. And the next is Judith Johnson. I live at 17031 US Highway 301 city. I'm just a concerned citizen. I'm not a politician, a lawyer,

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anything else. But first of all, there's been all this new development that's been going up here in Date City. And can you promise these people fresh water? Can you promise them that their electricity costs are not going to rise?

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And who's going to take care of the already existing power structures that are outdated, built in the early 1900s? they're supposed to take care of these massive data centers. I just don't understand how it can be. But then also,

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we're no one's talked about the actual health issues that we're going to face. And the sound levels alone would that you can feel them as well as hear them. And that is it's been reported a solid mile in every direction. People are kept

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awake. or um stress, cognitive issues, inflammation of the brain, primary stress hormones, the cortisol levels are rising. These are all being show shown that these are happening. Also uh AI

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contributes to PSA which is forever chemicals forever in our bodies we cannot get rid of and they are known to harm our kidneys, our liver and our blood. And so how is Pascal County ready

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to face those health conditions of this? What's going to happen to all of us through our health? And also there's climate change, global warming, droughts, and there's, you know, this is just the beginning. So, um, are these

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people that want to move to our community are who would want to move here? I mean, it's it's and they're developers, are they going to be happy that no one's moving into these new developments that, you know, you know,

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doesn't make any sense to me. They also show that livestock is dying. Bees are dying. If they cannot be pollinating the food, we die. If we don't have clean water, we die. And chickens are laying

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eggs. If we don't, it's just birds are dying. Blood butterflies are missing. I mean, it's just insanity. So, and who profits? Billionaires. I mean, do we need more billionaires making more of

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our money and taking our water? >> So, anyway, I believe that I ask you kindly not to get quiet and make noise. >> You're all asked to leave if you keep it up. >> We deserve life, liberty, and the

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pursuit of happiness. And we all stood up and took an oath. Liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. >> Stewart is coming.

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>> You've been sworn. >> Yes. you might want to pull up the mic. >> And I live at 36830 Beth Avenue in Zephr Hills. And I did speak at the county commission meeting this morning. So I don't want to repeat

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all of that since it's on record, but I did want to add a few things and I wanted to base them on Pasco County, Florida, open spaces, vibrant place center though because of all of the concerns that have been raised. But it

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also concerns me if the key word in the ex exemptions is primary. So to your point, Mr. Moody, if somebody opens up an office building and says, "We're going to use two of the floors out of the five or four or three, and that's

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going to be a server farm, but it's not the primary, we're we're leasing out office space, something to that effect, they're still circumventing the rules. If it's supporting the primary purpose of that business or that building, then it's a little bit different. So, I'm

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just thinking out loud. You guys are the engineers. I'm not an engineer. Um, hopefully we can clarify that exemption portion just a little bit to protect Pasco. Um, but again, data centers, anything with a mega in front of it,

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they don't belong in the state of Florida. And I'll leave it at that. Thank you. You I think that's what Dave referred to as well with incidental to the use of prop property. So it's I think that it's covered with that incidental use. Um

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that means it's still to the primary property tonight55 and I'd like to share that um the technology is just not bringing it to do this um in Pasco County or anywhere in

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Florida and I would propose extending the recording after this year to five years in five years we'll have a lot more advanced technology available and we'll have a lot more science backing it

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because again countries they actually use the theme for the the centers to grow community gardens and be people but like the former speaker chair ours is very hot. We've not only suffered a

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drought severe drought for many years we've also suffered many many countless fires and we just can't sustain any more heat and emissions don't stay in one place. Um people will spoke about

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indigenous and the public health but indigenous tend to be carried everywhere with women and don't just affect public uh health of one community but affect the public health in many communities or

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hills in about a year is going to need extreme maintenance. Many people don't know about this, but this is going to be for that maintenance. This is going to be for the maintenance of the shape hills incinerator that's going to fall apart.

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Many incinerators have been closed down when they get to the stage of their their life and pass. So we have enough problems without you know bringing technology that is not going to be sustainable that if we bring it in now

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even a year which is a blink of an eye will destroy Pasco County. It will totally destroy the independence independence researchers and uh not people that are you know the same people working on the

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same situations. We need specialists in these areas and um we all need to be involved. Everybody here needs to be made aware of the public hearings on this because we don't want this as one public hearing and then goes away. we

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all want to continue to be involved um on this issue. So again um the moratorum needs to be extended for five years and we we definitely um you know don't want

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to go from no mega data centers to like oh okay well a year from now we're going to allow a lot of big data centers. We don't want to be behind in the technology, but we don't we want to wait until it's better because data centers

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when they're done correctly can be a benefit to communities. Um, but right here, right now in Pasco County, it's not the time of the place and one year, it's not the time of place in five years. Thank you. and we're beginning to cover a lot of

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the same topics with a lot of the same people. will when you come up if you're going to speak try to bring something new. The next individual is Richard. >> Yes. Richard Smith 116th Avenue Southeast.

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Um I have this sworn in Um, >> this date city, >> right? >> City. >> No, I'm not D City. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm actually Largo. I I reside I live here. I own it in Largo.

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Um, but some of these are broad concerns. Um, so I want to just tell a real quick story um before I go ahead. um in the middle of our neighborhood in Pasco, there is a

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small commercial >> um commercial area, you know, designated for helpful helpful things that all the neighborhoods might like like daycarees, dentists, nursing homes, you know, those kinds of things. Um, so we were all kind of surprised when the new tenant that

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was going to be coming in there under the kind of general blanket of nursing home uh facility is so the reason I say that is because you know the way this works is that there's there's broad classifications that

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builds fall into >> and those classifications have to be certain right so if it's type X it has certain environmental restrictions it's type as others. I work in architecture. I have to category categorize into buildings all

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the time. Um, and if I look at the foreign building code, I don't know what an occupancy I would classify these under. Um, I don't know. I see some pees here. Can any of you speak to what that would fall under?

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I think that's the point of the moratorology has evolved faster than the regulations to deal with it. But that's the reason for the brok. >> That is fantastic. I agree with that. Um

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and I just want to add um you know regardless of what we say we're classifying something as what often happens at the same time um the developers come in and they want to have the minimize or they want to

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minimize their impact fees. So they will play this game of you know how can we fit into this this category right and that happens all the time and when I work with several counties because we work all over the state called country

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and when we you know we often get the answer oh well it's you know it's under this category you know it's it's meeting the restrictions of the the Florida code or you know whatever other applic in the county, you know, the guy I'm working with is not there. I get a

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different answer when I work even, you know, city to city, right? Not even just in the county, right? Um I get different answers and you know, various counties are all different. So even when we have clear um clear definition that get off.

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>> Oh, okay. Well, I would just hope that we would be very very cautious with what's nextual wax in Wesley Chapel. And I second and concur with a lot of what's been said today, especially the comments by the Democratic Environmental Caucus. I

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thought they brought up really good points on things that we could do to mitigate concerns. And so the what I would like um request that you all keep in mind as you navigate this issue is the question at what cost? So when we hear about a new development

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opportunity of any type, one of the questions typically asked first is how much revenue will that generate? But I would suggest that the more important question that we should be asking is at what cost. If a data center wants to come to Pasco County and consume our land, our power capacity, our

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infrastructure, residents deserve to know what we're getting in return and what are we giving up for that. Will these facilities generate revenue? Likely, yes. But at what cost to our water persists? that what caused to the electrical grid and the power capacity

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to residents power bills to climate change impacts to infrastructure and to quality of life. All all topics that have been brought up, but potentially most importantly, what is the actual benefit to Pasco County residents once all of those costs are accounted for?

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Because revenue alone should not be the measure of success. On every development project, data centers or otherwise, we need to be asking whether the value created exceeds the cost to our residents. And we should also be asking what

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problems are we trying to solve by bringing in these types of centers. If the goal is jobs or economic diversification or revenue generation, is a data center the best use of that land and those resources? Because every acre that we dedicate is an acre that we

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can't use for other projects that might provide greater long-term benefits. It's also an acre that is no longer green space supporting wildlife or natural flood mitigation or environmental resources that maintain our quality of life. Because once that land is

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developed, those benefits are lost forever and that opportunity cost deserves careful consideration before we move forward. So, I do support the proposed moratorum. However, I would also encourage the county to view this not

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just as a one-year countdown, but as a work plan like has been discussed. It should produce results before it expires. The county should complete this comprehensive analysis of all of these impacts and the benefits that it could possibly bring, but also the drawbacks

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to our community and whether maybe there's a better way to do it. People have mentioned water or households. you know, the technology is advancing so quickly. There may be better ways to do this without jeopardizing our land for data centers. Now, and if after a year, if we can't ensure that Pasco residents

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and our land are protected and prioritized and benefit from these projects, then we have no business approving projects that could impact Pasco County for decades to come. Thank you. My name is Don Henriks. My address is

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34259 Whittington Lane in Date City. Um I just moved here about a year and a half ago and I'm very honored to be able to live in a rural area. Extreme amount of wildlife. It's very beautiful. Lots of livestock and farms. And one thing

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that has not really been addressed overly much is how much the impact is going to be on the actual wildlife and the livestock that is here and um the pollution, the water. What about the water that's being put back in? Where is

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that going? I've done a lot of research on reading about what other communities that have been impacted and they say the water that is coming back out of the data centers is very polluted and brown, not able to be uh used and um people are

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getting sick from it. And how does that impact like you have tons of lakes and and waterways and stuff like where is that is that water going to be impacted in that? And um also um clearly because we have such a rural

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area so many people are on wells and one thing that people have said that they were living in rural areas their wells completely dry up. So what what happens to all these farms and the livestock areas and people that live on the land when that water dries up they have no

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access to water whatsoever because their wells are dried up and then the water that does get replaced is contaminated. So that is something that has to be really addressed. Um and of course everybody's already mentioning the drought. Once the water is gone, it just doesn't flow back in. Um and also one

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thing that has been mentioned, but really needs to be considered because that is what everybody said, the property values completely tank. The property values of all the areas that are surrounding just go down. So, and one thing I would like to say is that

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you guys were talking about a limit on the kilowatts of of of units and people are saying, "Well, what about putting like a 20 kilowatt um limit on it?" Well, what happens when a company comes in and say, "Okay, we're going to skirt this issue and we'll build more than one

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unit, you know, in order to get below that limit." Is that going to be something that needs to be worded? and how do we how do we work around that so companies aren't going in and buying up multiple pieces of property and putting in multiple permits in order to get what they want um long term. Um and then also

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I I have noticed that there are some warehouses around here that are not being utilized. They're completely empty. Uh there's never any cars. They're just like gigantic units that have they're not being used for anything. Are those already units that could possibly being used for something

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and we don't know about it? So uh you know and can they you know can they just be using it as soon as the moratorum is lifted can they just go in and just do it and and and and one last thing is when the moratorum that we're putting talking about a moratorum but during

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that year could companies be going in and just planning using that year to plan and then as soon as it's over they just go in and put in the permits. Thank you. Thank you. >> I want to address the question. The

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moratorium is on the building permits as well. So if a if a building is vacant, they would not be able to get a building permit for a data center either. So it would apply to it would apply to a vacant building as well.

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>> If you have an existing warehouse, okay, what stops somebody from moving computers? I don't need a building permit to put computer servers in a building. >> You do for the electrical service. >> My point. Thank you. You just made my point.

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You do for the electrical service. And that was the point I was trying to make to you, Mr. Angle, about the power consumption. It was Miss Schaeer that brought the point up earlier too about using an existing warehouse. And the

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only way you're going to catch them is by limiting the amount of electrical service you can put into that building. You don't you don't come in applying for a building permit for a data center, but you do come in and say, "I want a 10,000

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ampere electric service." That's the way you need these things. I can haul as many computers as I wanted to my garage and there's nothing insulting laws going to do anything about it. You can't see it, you can't smell it, you can't hear it, you can't

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taste it. But where you can catch me is when I come in and I say I need 5,000 amp service to power all these things. >> So it's more than just services also the build out of power within the building. So you have to every outlet, every

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access point in that service, all of that electrical infrastructure has to get permanent as well. And that's where we can see whether or not it's being used for a data center or it's 10,000 amps of service being used for a manufacturing facility. >> Mr. I can submit an electrical plan and I

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don't have to show them what's being plugged into the outlet. >> The data centers require very specific electrical infrastructure within the building to be able to So another chance here on the

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you know the whole exercise here is for us to be able to gather information things that we need to consider when we want to either approve or disapprove you know, one of these centers. So, we're not making a decision about

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today. It's got that we want to have a moratorum to give us an opportunity for the next 12 months or whatever period it might be. Find out. I bet you there's probably nobody in this room

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that really understands what these data centers are and do and what they're capable of. So let's find out together what they can do and what we need to do and what dangers there are and come up with practical solutions rather than

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argue about them up here. I don't think one on one point or the other point because we don't so many things we don't know about data centers that we need for them like this to bring up consider and

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that's what we're here for. We're not here to argue about whether we're going to approve one tomorrow or not because we're not going to approve one. We need the information. That's what we're looking for. What I'm getting at is the language of the proposed moratorum on the table.

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I want to make certain that no one can use the exception that's in the proposed moratorum to back door. Right. Those are some of the things that we

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need to make sure we take that and talk about the >> what's the primary use and what's an in incidental use. So let's just say for I'm a cryptocurrency program.

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All right. And I have a big building and in the front part of that building I run my cryptocurrency brokerage. And then in the back of that building, I have my crypto mining operation that incidental to my crypto business. Those

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are the things we have that sign >> I'm getting at. >> Those are the things we don't have answers to and we're trying to get to the point or that makes sense.

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Everybody out here is a resident of Pasco County. We have the same concerns and the same desires that most of you have. We want a nice place to live. Don't want to be by noise. We want to make sure we are drinking water. We want

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to be able to flush the toilet. We're all in the same boat. So, this is not an adversarial situation. This is a information gathering opportunity and we're trying to give you the

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opportunity to give us information and us the opportunity to deliver >> and then we'll be able to go on to the next step. You're not going to be excluded from this process throughout the next 12 months. Just I I don't necessarily including a

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tab on incidental uses megawatts of power. I just don't know what I don't have the expertise to know what it would be and I understand that I understand that's the problem that's a technical problem we have here my only concern and

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of course we folks but back for discussion but I express some reservation that's in the in the proposed language I want to make sure that when we come back

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and consider that that someone can't come up with some creative explanations for what they're doing to back a data center in here. Believe me, when there's enough money online, they'll come up with all the creative geniuses in the

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world to try to figure out how to do that. It's a legitimate concern. I still know what to have the incidental. I mean obviously the school district is not going to be doing a 20 megawatt server 20 megawatt but I don't know if

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you know whether there's something from the power company that could give us some insight whether that's a megawatt gigawatt I think someone up earlier because there was a a determination made that a data

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processing center is not the same as a data center. So my question is then maybe from a zoning standpoint, we don't have a definition of a data center, which means that it's not permitted in any of our zoning categories. So my question really to you was you're you

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were saying if somebody's going in there and putting a a data center in somewhere, well, that would be a violation of the code zoning code because that's not permitted in any zoning district. I think the exemption saying it's allowed

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primary use. Primary use is is a permitted use. Whatever the say it's it's a restaurant or an office building. That's the allowed use in the zoning district. this server room or computer

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room is an accessory use to the allowed use in the zoning district. It just happens to fall within the definition the state definition of a data center because that state definition is so broad. That's why staff had to put that exception in there because it technically meets the state definition

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of a data center. But from a zoning perspective, staff's looking at it is it's allowed that the primary use is what's allowed under the zoning district, but we're allowing this state defined data center

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as an accessory use to that primary use. So in your case, the the the permanent use of the school, you're we're allowing your quote data center because it's an accessory use to your school.

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It happens to be the state definition of a data center. That's the problem. That's why we had to put the exclusion in there. >> Okay. to school and then I stop to

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make those things that >> I would argue at that point what I would argue that I would argue At some point it ceases to become an accessory use for an incidental use to the school. I mean obviously at some point I would argue if they're doing 50

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megawatts they're probably not just serving the school correct >> because the other issue is >> at that point he's probably selling that service base to somebody else. >> The other issue is more we are use semantics the longer the moratorum does not take effect. So we we have to get

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something in place to be able to put a hold on this so but I I you made your point. I I don't have a problem with putting a cap on the megawatts for an incidental because I think at some point it's ceased to become an incidental or accessory use. I agree with you. I just

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don't know where I don't know where to put that cap understand temporary moratorum but I didn't find a copy of the state is going to be compiling data and conducting study I would tell you that

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if moratorium were to go into effect today that it would expire before the state actually is for the due date for the state studies. So I think that our proposed moratorium needs to align with

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states h collection virtue and I think that's July 1, 2027. >> You mean we're pretty close though to the board? Yeah, but it's going to dex

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review all of that data and then create regulations. >> I get your point. We also have the the problem is that if you don't get your moratorium in effect and in maturation what is and what is notend what's

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primary use what's the things that are the kills that are created by these whatever we're calling okay excessive water excessive usition

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to stop this not trying to correct on some other kind of my point when I was mentioning really the argument because that's the issue that has with this the impact in natural resources electric bills noise

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um impacting environment and so forth. So it may be easier to regulate that than it would be to regulate the data center. >> I don't disagree with you but the problem is is knowing what is excessive is the whole purpose of study. It's just >> Scott doesn't know what >> there's a chicken in the egg.

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>> Scott doesn't know what's excessive yet. Mr. Paul. >> Yeah. And that's exactly what I was trying to make is that we could go on forever about well state the state has for a large center 50 megawatt.

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And then they the state in that same statute ordered the water management districts not to issue consumptive use permits that the water withdrawals would exceed 100,000 gallons per day. >> You debate that later

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some given statute as to what these things are. I mean >> I mean let me let me back up. So the point of the discussion though was eliminating what is considered accessory and that was the that was the point of

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this. So you're relying on a state definition of what is a large scale data center that I don't think there's any world where that's an accessory. So if you're going to put a cap on it rather you be talking more like what Mr. Engel talked

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about which is I think you know 20 megap but I mean I'm not supposed to make it but but I mean I don't know what the right number is. I'm just saying the the the thought process here is that

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this was intended to apply to computer clauses. That was the original intent is and so or maybe the school board's you know server room that that's at the back behind the building. That's the that was the point of this

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exception. Whatever that megawatt is, we need to figure out what that is. But that was the goal of this. It wasn't to for a 50 megawatt large scale data center lawyer is going to come in and figure out how to call it something else and

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then sign it in. Can you give us some thoughts on a megawatt that we can use to cap the accessory? I'm asking staff, not members of the public. Please, >> I'd like to move that we continue the

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public comment, then we can continue. >> Can you think about it while we take public comment, please, or search it or something, please? The next individual Richard 16205 Lane my friend wanted basketball public could put in a data center I don't

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understand what you know, any kind of company could put in a data center for their for their entire grocery chain within Pasco County. >> Um, a few weeks ago, I told a friend that I

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only wanted to use AI when when it was absolutely necessary because it uses too much energy. You have to use AI to defeat your enemies. As I thought about it later, I imagined what it would be like if everyone on Earth used AI to defeat their enemies or to simply compete. Wouldn't that likely mean

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massive amounts of land use to build data centers, massive amounts of water used to cool for cooling, and massive amounts of fossil fossil fuel use? I heard that you shouldn't demonize AI because some uses of AI are beneficial, but how much of AI is used for

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unimportant things or information that can be found in other ways. What I want to stress is that it isn't AI alone that should be recognized. It's the cumulative impacts of everything that is deteriorating biosphere. I read that the 2014 most surprised me is the sixth

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extinction by Elizabeth Colbert. There's been five mass extinctions in Earth's history. The sixth mass extinction is occurring right now and is being caused by humans. The causes I remember from the book are habitat loss, habit habitat fragmentation, climate change, ocean

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acidification, and that exotic species introductions. AI contributes to all accept one of these problems if fossil fuels are used as energy source. Regulation is necessary to protect people from their themselves and others.

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Comparison, a perfect example, our seat belt laws. We are required by law to wear seat belts. The harms large corporations do now and into the future are and will be just as real and more serious than the harms caused by not wearing a seat belt. But these corporations, including fossil fuel

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corporations and other industries, are not adequately regulated because of their political power and influence. My French statement about defeating your enemies is the age-old story of humans striving for wealth and power. Will hyper competitiveness continue until it ends in societal collapse? Worldwide

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societal collapse is possible or even probable as the world's average temperature goes up to four, five or six degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels and an increase of more than 6° C possible if we need any possible use. Please carefully consider all the harms

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and suggestions of the Democratic Environmental Caucus of Florida submitted before. Please impose a 5-year moratorum on any idea centers in Pas County so proper sites can be completed. Please stop climate change. Please stop

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the six mass extinction. Thank you. The next individual is here. Okay. David Good afternoon. >> Good afternoon, chairman and board. Um, I do have some document by the uh board if they would be willing.

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This clock didn't move yet, sir. Give it some time for receive the documents. Thank you. Yes, David Milton. I'm contract purchaser at a site lot in the double ranch asco town center

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development. My name is David. I'm from Parkland, Florida. >> I'm sorry, Florida. >> Yes. 120 place Florida and the site I just mentioned is in the

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branch there and I have and I have one is that vacant or one of the existing >> it's a site there what I delivered or just handed you all the top page is a picture that shows a proposed small data

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center facility that's 19.9 megawatt go right next to the brand new substation It was built by direct. There are no residential neighbors. There are there are no neighbors. It's interstate to one to the left side to the west. There are no neighbors around. It is an industrial

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park. It is zoned correctly for our purpose at this moment. And our proposed facility uh would use about 19.9 megawatt which rank has confirmed they have available today. We have confirmed that the utility price

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cannot go up on any of the public. We have confirmed that the water usage of such facility would be approximately 300,000 gallons per year of potable water which is less than most car washes less than most hotels

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less than one of what a golf course uses. Um there are frankly a lot of uh new inventions and technologies that have been created that allow us to use much much less resources than has been talked about. We

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actually fully fully support much much of what has been talked about today related to large data center companies. We are not that. Um my wife and I moved to Florida three years ago when my wife was pregnant. I had a good success

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before that and I was able to retire for a few years to spend every day with our girl literally every day. Raised her, slept with her every night. So the best two years of my life. I care about the future of our of our world. And so about a year ago, I started creating a new

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type of data center facility that was much smaller, does not use the resources that all these large hyperscalers use. I frankly I would be as I've said as most of the of the of the constituents and members of the community here with what you see nationwide and what's going on

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with hyperscalers taking up all the resources again that is not us. We have a beautiful perfect site here that already has the power. Uh we can certify and promise and swear at whatever you want us to do to prove that we will not be using water. 97% of our water can be

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reusable. Um uh we use low flow cooling for the water. A lot of it is used water like sewer water. Um and we are not a veteran to the society. In fact, we actually plan to generate about $3 million.

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We ask for nothing else correctly. So our stance is not to stop the moratorum. We are not here to step in. All I would ask is that the county follows what the state has already done.

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The state has already categorized a ban on 50 megawatts or more. We support that. And we actually want to add an additional ban of data center be more than 1,000 ft from a substation. That will further allow your county to make

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sure no data centers are going in random places around the community. There are very specific places that a data center could go in following all these other and feel free to add language about restriction restricting water noise power etc. Happy to answer whatever

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questions you all have more about the water usage. You said 300,000 gallons a year and will this operate 365 days a year? >> Yes sir. It would operate 365 days a year and that's potable water. So the

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total total water which includes sewer which we can take as much reclaimed water as we need it is about 10 million gallons per year for a 19.9 megawatt facility. >> So potable water which is what most people care about is taking their shower taking their baths literally can be less

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than half million gallons enough to supply the needs of our own residents right say that there's no concern there. So there's about 10 million. >> You're saying that you really need 10 billion

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>> and we can use it from multiple sources. Yes. >> Develing reclaimed water to your site. That means that's not going to the resident's site which means they have to use more portable water. So it's still kind of the same >> issue. I'm not here to mis misread

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mislabel the facts. We've got pot of water and total water. So water user for 199 use of this water meaning I'm going to need 10 million gallons every year or am I taking this 10 million gallons and I'm re reusing it over and over and over and

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I only need to top it off to the tune of half a million gallons once every year, once every two years or am I actually burning through 10 million gallons of water each year? You're still utilizing that yet you're still utilizing that much water per year every year and that's way down from what it was before

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and obviously hyperscalers from you know a couple years ago these incredible crazy numbers that they use that's before they even got to close schooling what >> so if it's a closed loop system then what's where's the water usage coming from >> a lot of it's evaporative and then uh uh

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some of it we still have to blow off some off the top but I I can certainly get you more answers I I would certainly certainly and not our engineer high. >> And what's what's the land use for >> uh 30 acres? >> This I mean this gives us a lot of color for what we're discussing today. So I

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appreciate the information. >> Of course. >> Yeah. We're we're not against uh you know we're happy to see people you know stopping you know overuse of water and power and all that stuff. We just propose our site. It's not do that.

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They had 10 million gallons a year. That's about 27 and a half thousand gallons a day. What size water service you would? >> Uh I don't have the right answer. I know that is still less than a golf course.

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>> Where is there any of that water that then goes back into the wastewater stream or is that all evaporated? I know there is a little bit sir that does go back. I don't have the exact percentage. One of the bottom packets was a little bit bigger summary on water usage. I don't I

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don't believe it's covered in there. How much water actually goes back in? I can certainly get you that info. Sorry. Yeah. Like I said, I'm I'm not our chief engineer, but I can certainly get to give people suggesting is that we would stick with

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the state's large scale data definition of 50 megawatts. I don't know whether that's appropriate or not. You're saying you're would use less than 20 megawatt. 19.9, which is the amount that wreck utility has

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readily available for us right now. Okay. >> And they can provide that power without any additional you know documents or uh recommendations from from the power utility above and that is a power that is readily available

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>> and can that power be fed from existing substations or is there any requirement to bring in any do I have to create a little substation on your property to process that much electricity? No, sir. They said no. No, since we're directly adjacent, you know,

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10 feet away that and that's partly what makes that site so attractive for us. >> I we we don't see a whole lot of other uses for that site. Again, it's it's against high interstate 75 in a substation in an industrial park

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600 acre plus uh gigantic industrial park. We would love to be the first uh buyer and tenant there landowner in head facility. If you're under, if you're 19.9, why are you suggesting the thirst will be 50? Why not what Mr. Engle suggested, which

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is 20? >> We're happy to suggest 20. It's just a lot of in a lot of in a lot of ways, counties and different laws are just have an easier time following what's already been coded, which is the state law, 50 megawatts or more. And so in some ways per your law and your counsel and your attorney sometimes it's easier

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just to join that number that's already that's already been put into law 50 megawatts or more. >> What would be the impact if we made that 10? What would be the impact to you? >> Well it would mean I mean obviously we our facility could max out at 10

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megawatt. I would I would come back and ask is that 10 megawatts usable by the actual data center computers and servers inside or is that for the entire site which includes the air conditioning, the cooling, the you know the the water and the other power. So there's there's

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there's part of that goes towards non data systems which is cooling the heating probably significant portion. It's about 20% is towards towards those other ancillary things. So we have a facility that's 19.9 megawatts total about four

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megawatts would be I ask the question be counted at 10 megawatt would then your facility would have to be half the size 23 of the size oneird of the size yeah good question basically I mean it'd

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be you know 40% smaller 40 to 50% smaller >> so why is your so your facility 19.9 megawatt that because that's what Rick can provide you right now that simply >> and if they could provide you 50

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megawatts would you still would you have a bigger operation in the same space or would you need more space? We would need a little more space as most most people know. You know, what are the technologies that continue to get denser and denser and and how much

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square footage you need to be able still with that said, we would still utilize more space. So, if we were the ability to have more power, we would either create a second building or you would add onto the existing building. Right now, we have 30 acres under contract that can allow for up to,

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you know, 40 or so mess. Just depends how dense we make the racks. getting the data out. How does that happen? Does that go over the airwaves or is this fiber optic cables or how

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does that happen? >> And is that is that type of facility there and available? We would contract with fiber companies to make sure they bring we would we're we're agnostic to to the brand. So we would have at least two two different fiber

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companies that bring data and they allow they connect us to them to the world. >> Sure that's there. >> I think I believe the fiber is within like a mile and the fiber companies are jumping up and down to bring fiber to the site. So that's not going to be we don't think it's an issue.

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There's no broadcast towers, no big issues, no the tax revenue of is equal to I think my math to something like 20 or 30 grocery stores is how much we can we can deliver and again we're not asking for anything to the county other than let us

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move forward as currently zoning. I have a question on that. Is can someone pull up those MQD conditions and actually confirm that the zoning was approved to have a data center there planning and economic development. Um so

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first of all um Mr. Miltonberger made a statement that he's zoned. We don't permit data centers here in Pasco County. So he does not have the zoning. There are prescribed titled uses in that MPU, but I don't have them right available to me. Um, I alluded because I

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wanted to be um cordially confidential. I did speak with a gentleman. He uh established a meeting with the Pasco Economic Development Council. I know of this project. Um, I know a lot about his project because he was very forthcoming.

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But, um, we talked about how he could move forward. We talked about the statement of necessity. If he's, you know, if he's serving something here in Pasco that's good for the the county and it fulfills our economic development program, then he can go to the board on

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a state on a on a basis of necessity. So, um that's where we're at now. And uh it's and full disclosure also u I was told that there would be 30 employees on this 30 acre property to support this facility.

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These employee stuff employee anchor. >> Okay. Mr. Petos earlier alluded to data processing being associated with employees and data center

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being associated with not having employees. So where how are we drawing that line? Would you like me to sit down state? >> We're not trying to have a de facto zoning hearing for your project, but you're

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>> happy to stay. Is actually helpful to trying to figure out how to make this decision. >> That's why questions. Yes, I can just tell you uh Mr. Moody what I was told by this gentleman that his facility specific design which is unique to his

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business business model will support 30. I asked him how many employees would be on situ at the property and his answer was 30 employees. He said there'll be engineers, technicians, security people and it would require a 30 person staffing,

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right? >> Yes. Yes, sir. ignition security variety. >> You said that the uses in that double branch don't allow for a data center. We don't have permitted data

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centers of Pasco County and it's not stipulated. I don't the MPD, but we'll double check that. Well, what are you calling him? >> Well, he's a data center. He said he's in the zoning is in place for him. I'm saying it's not potentially. >> That's our understanding. But if we're

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saying we just got the site under contract >> answer the question what you what are you calling his business? >> He is a data center. He he actually constructs a facility. He owns and operates it and he sells uh he sells capacity within his data center to to

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customers who actually rents the space in the uh in the data center. >> So what is Amazon Web Services? >> Amazon Web Services could be a data center. I mean, and and by the way, all these Yelp and all these others, they're

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using AI also. So, it's it's all one, you know, one one situation now. They're not separate anymore. This is part I'm trying to get at. And here it is. We're going to get into the semantics of what do we call this

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versus this is why I'm trying to get at more of a performance-based. We can argue all day about what we want to call this. And I'll get 10 clever attorneys that'll come in and tell him, "Will you just call it something else to tell Mr. Angle that I am allowed in that zoning district?" And what we really

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need to be focused on is what are the things that we can see here, smell, taste, touch. Those are kind of the basic tenants of zoning. >> Well, I can certainly say with with confidence that Mr. Mitt Burgerer came in tomorrow with a a building permit

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application or a site plan application. We would not issue permits for that project because it is a data center. Pasco County doesn't permit data centers and hopefully we'll have a moratorum. >> I can appreciate that, but I've been around long enough to know that there's a nice attorney, but I won't mention his

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name who will be in the following day to sue you. >> Sue me. I'm prepared for that. I'm curious who made your zoning determination. You're you say pretty emphatically that you're zoned for this year. >> That that's the understanding we had in reading the language, but we just put

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the site under contract a week ago and we were obviously shocked. It it was a three month negotiation with the seller to get the site under contract. Yeah, it was it was a it was a long uh battle to get the site finally under contract and then of course we were shocked to hear that you guys are all considering a

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moratorum to ban our use. But our understanding was that it was done correctly. we so therefore we had not engaged with uh the county in planning and zoning ahead of you know two three months ago normally I would engage with the county immediately as we're you know working to negotiate a site but this one

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we thought it was fine because it was in the MPU uh and we understood it to be an absolute approved use for the seller and then the seller broker question and I apologize because now we're going to get sidetracked on this thing what did you wait What are you

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classifying your use as that you think is approved in the MPU center? >> Why do you think that's an approved use? Industrial or industrial use classifications across the country. It

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falls under industrial or industrial use classification. I'm available anytime if anyone from the council. >> Thank you. >> Section 32 here. It's really interesting to look at the different cooling architectures. Um the old cooling

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architecture used four to six million gallons per megawatt used. 19.9 megawatt um project use 80 to 120 million gallons with the old style of cooling. Now

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there's hybrid which is limited evaporate assist which is reduce that to 20 40 million gallons. What he was proposing was a closed loop liquid with air cooled chillers uh which would use 8 to 12 million gallons. So I guess there's still some evaporative cooling

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there. And then the next generation that technology is still being developed is a near zero usage of water truly closely system less than 2 million gallons used 19.9 megawatt project. So it's

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interesting to see the technology that's out there and how it's being developed because the other thing we got to be careful doing is if there are technological breakthroughs that use very little water or very little power at some point in the next six months

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which is possible. We don't want to prevent a data center from coming in that really wouldn't have a an impact on the environment as well where we may allow an industrial project that uses millions and millions of gallons of water and don't die at it. We're blocking a data center that would be

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using much less. So we have to be careful on both ends of this. >> Okay. This next on our list, >> the last individual speaking to 9152 Court, Dave City, Florida.

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This is my backyard. Unlike everybody else here been talking, this is my backyard. Y'all have already stuck two wells just south of my house going to suck more water. I've been living here for 68 years.

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>> Who put these two in your house? >> I'm sorry. >> Put the field in your house. >> I apologize. I'm a little >> the three well fields that talk to the audience, please. >> I'm hard to hear. I'm sorry.

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>> That's okay. It's no problem. I'm just trying to get our man to be quiet so we can hear you. >> Okay. >> I'll calm down. I'm just just mad. That's >> okay. You can be mad all you want. >> I've lived in Dayton City for 68 years.

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I live where y'all planning on putting this in my backyard already. When I first moved there, id put my water up against Crystal Springs water. About 10 years ago, my water turned

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brown due to a cave in. I went to the Pasco County Water Agency. I said, "What's going on?" They said, "You've had a cave in because the water level has dropped." So when my well goes dry, are they going

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to buy me another one? I don't think so. Are you? I don't think so. I applaud this. The only problem I got with it, it should be three years. The growth is just totally out of

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control. Totally. Not just this, all the growth. >> You can't stop it, but it get needs to slow the way the hell down. >> 301. I used to pull out on the 301.

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Not a car. I can drive all the way into town, eight miles. I might pass one or two cars. Now it's steady. BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. THE NOISE pollution I can hear at my house. Now the chillers they're talking about, are

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you going to use anhydra ammonia? If they use anhydramonia, they're going to have ammonia tanks there. You know what ammonia leak will do to somebody and the farm animals out there. I applaud y'all for putting brakes on.

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Make it three years. really study this and study what y'all are letting happen to us lifelong residents that's been here forever. I've been paying taxes for over 60 years.

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And I think we're all interested our county. You know, we got to take everything into consideration so we can make a smart decision. That's just a major decision.

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You got to figure out all the logistics. I understand that. Make it three years. Give yourself time to do it right. Okay. Is there anybody else that want to say something what we've already heard about?

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Afternoon, gentlemen. My name is Ael. Yeah. Good afternoon, gentlemen. My name is Ael Mark and I live at 37814 Howard Avenue, D City, Florida, 3352. First of all, um there have been some concerns with regards to um empty buildings that data centers came um

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moving into. And I want to ask the sheriff's office because I know that they do infrared speeds in the area in order to locate um row houses and stuff like that that they expend a lot more energy. Thus, the energy is deductible by infrared.

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>> Yes or no? >> I >> you don't know. Okay. Well, um I know that a lot of when they do when they do bro house rates when they do grow house rates um a lot of times they they have technology where you can you know biohelicopters like that that they can

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um look at extensive heat source heat radiation um and I know that um in order to operate something that is non permissible or hasn't been approved at property that that could actually be integrated into of that same scenario.

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Um, and so it is detectable. However, I would not look at permitting as a way to mitigate and control these things because you anybody can come in. I come from a contracting background. Anybody can come in and and and they do it all the time. They put in illegal plumbing.

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They put in illegal electrical. They put in illegal roofing. Nothing's been permitted. And, you know, next thing you know, whenever they're selling the house, you have all these permit violations or code violations, whatever. So, I don't think that the permitting process is a way to police um whether or

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not a a data center has been um or a building has conscripted for the use of a data center. You know what I'm saying? Um so, those are just two food for thoughts. Um I'm going to go to my um actual dialogue. The gentleman who

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discussed the process for researching the effects of data centers focused primarily on obtaining information from those persons and those entities that would or could profit from the approval of data centers. So when he was talking about this, he mentioned the companies

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that are that you know looking at their their um uh analyzing their data and all this kind of stuff. During the research period, I recommend spending as as much time discussing pros and cons with residents and officials of those

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counties that already have data centers. That was not mentioned in this gentleman's dialogue. Um and also those who have extensive knowledge of our so scientists and such and and um and uh organizations that have extensive knowledge regarding our aquifers and

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those who have extensive and dedicated significant amount of energy to researching the effects of data centers on their environments. principally those scientists and those organizations who are not directly or indirectly associated with those who would

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monetarily benefit from lifting the moratorum and allowing data uh data centers of Pasco County. Um it seems like common sense but you know we mentioned here earlier that um that the state is doing their own um

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they're doing their please just a minute the state is also doing their own research. um we all know that there are other corporations that can be under the guise of of their corporations and what I think it's very important to always remember um to look beyond the service

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to see who is um who is responsible for providing that data and then also one more thing regarding when you make a decision about the zoning when you're ready to go through with updating the LDC I highly highly suggest that that

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it's not a full allowance that there should it should only be under a zoning variance looking at a zoning variance that requires the public for them to have public meetings and to have public input. Um and that way no matter what

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the public still has that opportunity to weigh in and and you always get a true response from your constituents and from the citizens of Pasco County. Thank you for letting me speak about your time. I really appreciate it. Thank you.

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And so I wanted to comment with what you mentioned before about enforcement. It would probably fall more under code enforcement or something like that. And code enforcement, keep in mind folks, code enforcement can't be everywhere. So it really relies on the citizens that are nearby. So if you see something, you

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know, that's that's what your uh ability is as citizens to be able to report things like that to code enforcement. They will investigate. >> They're not so good. >> Okay. hand on the agenda. So I showed up to

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something else first. >> I have this morning. Um name is Timothy Hing. address is 12821 can't grow uh um so my suggestion was on the wording for the moratorum uh you were debating

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uh how do we define like uh uh what is data you want versus you mentioned like a Yelp coming in maybe you're okay with Yel coming in but not like the big megawatts and then you were like well how do we how do we use it we define it based on mess um I'm a software engineer I work with AI I train AI do it every

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day um I would suggest that you change the wording to limit any data center that uses SIMD chip fit. If you if you ban those chips that are primarily designed for SIMD operations, all your problems are going to go away

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with this. Um I wonder if our developer over here uses those chips. He probably does. Um if you don't do those chips, there's no way. This is general computing hard disk storage nothing that uses lots of power.

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>> Yeah. So get too technical. >> Yeah. So what everyone's familiar with the most familiar ones are going to be Nvidia. Basically most video SMD stand for single instruction multiple data. It's a special type of computer where you then have a big math like a big 10. It's a whole bunch of

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numbers at once that all get processed in one single operation. This is not type of processor that exists on your phone or your computer or you know most class based editors they have like maybe a little bit of that to augment. That's not the majority of the compute. The big stuff that's going in is just racks full

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of nothing but that. Um so Nvidia is the big one. AMD is making some of these. I think this Intel is trying to get into the market. But uh if you ban it, you b these types of processes. It's a classic processor. I think if you just add that to your moratorium, I think that'll make it very clear what you're trying to uh

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ban while still not spanning all data centers. >> Thank you. Thank all the ones we're talking the question. Are there any things like a school district would use

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those trips as an accessory use. >> Um I think uh again I'll let you guys get up the right way. Exactly. But I think if you can make sure that you know all the compute that's going in maybe less than 5% of

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the total megawatt usage is going to that kind of compute. Um something like that. Um that's how much improvement is >> that's that's helpful but the issue in in my own mind isn't

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that they use >> the issue in my own they use the skin chip they use so much electricity with these chips everybody else electricity

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uses or how many center there's a certain number of chips that equals one megawatt a certain number of chips that's two megawatt and so on and so forth so it's not really the chip that we have objection to

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How much power, how much water it takes to clean your face. >> I understand that you can find a good vegetable for that just another alternative considerful. >> Thank you very much. Robin Gibson and 17259

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in Hill. I'm retired media specialist, tech specialist going to support the use of technology and AI. I use it all the time. But I think you guys were probably all caught a little flat that there's

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already someone that is planning this. And as an ASCO resident who drives every single day up down 52 and I watch that grid that keeps getting published with how many MPDs are down to 52 and I drive

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by and I see the little power stations. And then I'm thinking, oh my gosh, somebody already got that far. What else is happening up and down 52? Are there more that are sitting there thinking they and yes, I do understand the county

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is saying no money has been issued um for a data center. Look at how far we got and then look at what's already out there. Is there another one? Two or three? I don't know. I remember very

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clearly when the industrial park 501 wasn't able to get water shipped back up. They said there wasn't enough for them to be able to supply the utilities

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to supply the water. They have to go do their own wells. And so I watch up and down 52 and I watch all of these substations and all of it's being sold for housing and I'm thinking who's climbing that water. But apparently

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there's a way to do this and slip it by everybody. None of it hasn't happened yet. I get it. We're going to keep talking. But I just wonder what else is sitting out there right now. Who else is making plans? Who's already been buying

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land up? There's substations. There's land. I don't know. We'll be watching. I just thought it' be right for us. We'll be coming back. Thank you. >> Is there anyone else? >> Okay.

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Okay. Can you take my address, please? >> Thank you very much. My name is Christine Roland. I live at 6328 Clark Lake Drive in Newport Richie. >> Yes. >> Um I'm speaking as a private citizen, but I'm also the president of Asco

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Waterbon. And um in that capacity, um I just want to say how this current drought is affecting our wildlife. Uh one of the you could see it cruise l is dry

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that lake and uh we're noticing just anecdotally with uh we have 45 bluebird boxes nesting boxes uh many of the bluebirds this year their ne their eggs didn't

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even hatch and this our our coordinator thinks is because of the drought. So nature is suffering. So I I think we just like the people with the wells. We have to be stewards of nature and uh

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approving something that requires so much water at this time seems terrible. So I really support the moratorum and I do hope it becomes permanent unless something that is truly more efficient comes into play.

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But I'm also concerned with all I'm reading about data centers that often things are approved with the understanding that there will be a certain water usage and electricity usage, but what actually happens in real

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life is far greater. And it's only when the power in the shower disappears that the community finds out what's really being taken from the divide data center farther than they stated they would do. So I really hope that there are some

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checks and balances here and yes please Mr. Moody watch the language so things don't get slipped through. One more thing that concerned me. Finally, I was reading a piece in Consumer Reports on data centers, and I read that so often,

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communities only find out that something's been approved long after it's been approved. And that's because of NDAs that data center operators are uh making local officials sign

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non-disclosure agreements, not to talk about what they're allowed to do. So, can we have some language that says no MDAs about this, but we will be transparent? Um, I think that would be very helpful.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Question for the county attorney. When I went and looked at the statute, there appears to be some language in the statute addressing non-disclosures of these things. I just wondered if you

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could give us clarity. I have to look up the language. There's a whole section of the stat sheet that talks about that. I believe that's FS277. Um, it does allow a one-year uh

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non-disclosure in the event that a project was coming in and requesting incentives. our office in the county uh specifically our professional team we don't enter into NDAs on occasion we get a confidentiality request from the Pasco

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EDC under that statute and then we honor it that way but we don't we don't >> that process but you're talking about the statute >> this was addressed in the statute >> oh okay okay we have I just want to say

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um without hesitation we do not have any NDAs case on file with anyone and especially not a data center user. >> Thank you. >> I think somebody else had their hand up.

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Yeah, you. >> Good afternoon, gentlemen. My name is Matt Rimes. I live at 6510 Bradford Hill Courtesley Council. Um, I have a lot written down here. It seems like we've gone through a lot of this stuff, but um, I want to just make a comment that,

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um, data center is a very encompassing term, and I appreciate that we're trying to figure out where we're drawing lines here. Um, uh, what I'm going to talk about here is hypers scale data center. Much of what you're talking about, seeing on the news is hypers scale, uh,

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data centers. Um, I do want to address the fact that what I've been hearing is is, you know, oh, warehouses. Data centers are not warehouses. There's no possible way that a data center can be mistaken for a warehouse. It looks like one from the

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outside, but that's about where it is. So, um, the fact that you could even you either turn a warehouse into a data center easily or if a data center goes belly up sometime in the future, turn it back into some sort of commercial space.

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Just kind of a misnomer. Um, many of these large scale facilities are specially built hardware applications as we mentioned earlier. Uh, the huge facilities that are um, filled with Nvidia H200 chips. So also my questions

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I like the idea of um you know looking at the 70 ships possibility there but also looking at um you know what is the use case for the data center specifically is it for you know operating and training large language

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models or is this for specific AWS services and what AWS services are those going to be leased out to the ultimate client of that data center. Um I am speaking from almost two decades in technology, cyber security, data privacy and cloud computing. Um

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I did have my um job affected earlier this year from quote unquote AI type stuff. So um but I would like to also bring to your attention that closed loop cooling systems that are being kind

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of used as a panacea for you know openloop or or cooling tower type systems um also require a lot of bioscience and glycol and things like that or be added to the cooling system in order to be able to work. um when those anti-corrosis basically anti3s for

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your car are drained for maintenance on the system those need to go somewhere too. So if we have an influx of data centers that come in and are using that technology do we have facilities available to have all of that you know the that glycol based cooling um

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antifreeze essentially uh go to a place and be processed safely. Likewise, in the event of a spill, how is that ecologically going to impact the area as well? Um, that's all I have the time for. But, uh, in conclusion, I guess I think that the cost is, uh, right now,

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um, too much. It's too great to execute right now without further considerations, controls in place. So, I would like to see the moratorium advanced. Thank you much. >> Appreciate that. >> Yes, thanks.

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Yeah. Yeah. You in the salmon top there? >> Yes. >> I'll make you quit bleeping or not. >> You want me or you want her? >> I called you. >> Okay. >> I wasn't sworn in. >> Okay. Well, we'll swear right here. I'm

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fine. You raise your right hand again. Be sworn, please. >> You swear. Affirm the testimony you're about to give is a true salt you got. Yes. >> 17621 Avenue. Uh I'm a mom. I have children 10

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children. So I just I'm not in here in any professional capacity or anything. >> So what are you waiting here? >> Some of them are older so it helps. So, I just wanted to say like I'm very much in favor of uh this mor moratorum

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and I'm really happy and glad that you guys are looking into it such depth that you are. I don't know just because I'm not as up to things as I would like to be. I don't know how Pasco County works with doing referendums. Ideally, and I know that y'all try to

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listen to us somewhat and our input, but ideally, I personally would prefer if they would put a moratorum on it until such time that it could go to like a county referendum and the locals, we could all vote on whether or not we actually want these in our county. Um

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uh and uh and I know you were mentioning about um trying to uh configure it so that you're using electricity as a way to cap it. Um but theoretically could you not use water usage in the same way which means that obviously it would

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affect like other businesses. Um, but considering water is such a concern, then theoretically maybe we could just cap on how many businesses that, you know, use excessive amounts of water, you know, could be approved instead of just going by like using electricity or

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something. Um, and then the other concern I had was uh that consumers are protected from uh these uh AI data center investors or plan to take advantage of. just I I I don't want to

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be in a position of having to um I just don't want to be like taken advantage of as a as a consumer big corporation. >> That's thank you very much. Why don't you come on up front so we can be ready to

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>> you? Okay. Okay. >> Cindy Ble. >> Oh, yeah. I'm sure. Sorry. It It's discrimination. But anyway, um, 5938 Frontier Drive, South Hills Pills,

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Florida, 33540. I am a lifelong Pasco County resident. I have moved three times for development and plugging, but there were

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things that were not brought up that I would like to bring up to you to your attention. Okay, they everybody talks about electricity. What they don't realize is that gas,

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natural gas provides much of the electricity and this would require these data centers would require up to 40% more natural gas to be used

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along with electricity. Okay. The other issue is um I have I I know this because I know the gas side of utility companies. There also have been

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serious health issues including vertigo headaches. These things don't go away. The other issue is Pasco County's rules are not up to date and will need to be

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up to date to align with the newly um enacted federal legislative laws that are being worked on still to protect the environment, the human life,

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the wildlife, of Pasco County. Um I did find another 862 square mile county in Texas which um absolutely uh they did the moratorum and then they

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finally decided to vote against it and it didn't happen. Um the other things these thing they do is they run 24/7.

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Um, they run fans and the decibels are 92. This is the sound that you hear 247 365 with these data centers. That's very loud. And I'm sure the uh deputy that

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was here can attest to that. I was a paramedic for 15 years of my life. So I know how loud sirens are. And this noise alone is enough to not only

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cause anxiety to humans, but it also causes anxiety to livestock. I have four horses and um right now just lowflying planes are

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affecting them. So I just wanted to bring that up, but we need to think about the natural gas use along with the electric and it and it already says that both grids would be pushed to the max

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and I do know about Florida gas transmission. Um, my husband have wants to be the instructor for Tiko, the gas side of the company before

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everybody wants to get rid of me for solar. I have nothing to do with that. But that that's it. I just wanted to bring those new points up. Thank you. >> I need them. No, I do.

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>> Do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give is a true self? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Um, okay. My name's Katie Wood. 32299. >> I know what you just said. >> 32299 drug. >> Thank you.

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So, um, I'm trying to figure out how to start this. So, I I agree with a lot of everybody that said I'm not going to repeat it. I'm not going to go over it, but my problem is is the data collection. So, I'm going to specialist large

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published in research. So, I had more questions about the research part just like the lawyers that own the definitions of things. Um, so I understand that the state is going to run their own research um, and present that and I know some people want to bring that to us to just

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have us use those. But my questions are who's running the data? Who's paying for the data? Um, who's interpreting the data? I have so many questions about the data and where it's going to come from because from the data that we have right now, it's um, quantitative and not quality

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even from the people that live in the areas that have data centers. is is terrible um for many reasons that everybody's already talked about. So my concern is um it takes a long time to get research going especially at a county state level and we're only going

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to give ourselves six months to get that research somehow get in committee get it all set up get the data together analyze the data and then decide from there or we're just going to go with the state which concerns me for lots of reasons. Um, so I would just ask that if we could

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somehow extend the moratorum. I know everybody else has said that too, but I just feel like six months isn't enough. If we can come back to spa, >> I'm sorry. >> Oh, excellent. Okay, good. Perfect. So 12 months. Well, we must know from.

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So, someone's just asking that we just choose our data, where we're getting it from, who we're getting it from, and who's just analyzing it um before before we make decisions on anything just because that's my real world. Um I won't keep any longer. Thank you so much. Let me talk to you to be here today. Thank

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you so much. >> Thanks. >> Good. Okay. Is there anybody else in the county have any further comment on the comments? >> I would like to know staff has an answer to the question I raised earlier about

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any thoughts about is there we can look at for accessory use. Yes sir. And that's why I'm up here at the roster room. David Agel economic uh well planning development economic growth. We do not have a number. It

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would be arbitrary and uh it would be not professional of me to even give you an arbitrary number. We don't have it. Um I would I would just say you know the idea of a an empty warehouse being converted uh with subtrafuse as a data

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center is highly unlikely. uh those data those warehouses are basically they have shell permits. They're there's no improvements inside. They'd have to do more than just get a enhanced electrical connection. They'd have to put in plumbing systems and other things that

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require uh interior renovation permitting and they would have to have a steel and it's it's even though we are a big county with a limited enforce compliance enforcement staff, it's highly unlikely that could occur here.

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Thank you diur. any comments I'm sure to make or any motions that we have to make a lot. >> Well, I'll move to approve um so we can get the discussion if I get a second. >> Second

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favor. There's a motion discussion in favor. The only comments I want to make for um so there's there's pros and cons to every kind of decision that that is made out there. Um again, we we in our roles

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in government are not ones to make plans or do anything. We only listen to what someone applies to do. Um and so again, we those decisions uh any opposition to that. Um and so um you know, we don't make plans. We only listen to people

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that want to plan to do something and then we will weigh that against um the impact on the community and the opposition that may come from neighbors. So that being said, there's uh it's kind of like the um it's kind of like the

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cell phone thing. We actually have a item on our agenda uh to hear about a cell phone tower. Uh um but it's also been brought up in the past with prisons or with wastewater treatment plants. It's all one of those things where we need it but we don't want it in our

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backyard. Um and um I think the data center thing is is another example of that where it's something that uh in one way or another everyone uses um or at some point will use um something that that is needed. It's it's I think it's a

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kind of a modern arms race that's going on between um not just within our countries but within I against other countries internationally. Um you know there there's a a strong argument to be made that um he who has the best AI is

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the one who wins. Um and that uh can apply to our competition internationally as well. And so I think that's why a lot of that race is going on. I think that's why it's probably um it's it's inevitable and and probably necessary

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that they're going to uh exist. Um that being said, um we absolutely have to protect our environment. We have to protect um the impact citizens around us. Um we need to look at um things like closed loop cooling. We need to look at

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things like um uh self power generation. There's been some talk about things that similar to what's in uh the nuclear submarine. So they have their own nuclear mini nuclear generating uh they do their own desalination. So um

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we we do have salt water and there's uh desalination plants and data centers actually have a lot of parallels. Um the heat that's generated can help with the evaporative desalination process vice versa that evaporated water can

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help cool the data center. So there's there's technologies that are being developed that will mitigate some of this impact. Um the um the other thing too to think about a gentleman brought up a really good point about our

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propensity to hurricanes and disasters come here. Uh they're incompatibility data centers. I think that's going um folks that want to move data centers here are going to have to look at that. I think there's going to be have to be some safeguards in place in terms of what happens in the event of disaster

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and how we deal with that. The other thing we have to consider is advancements in technology. Um so um AI is going to become a self-feeding monster. It's going to the smarter it gets the smarter will be able to make itself. Um and there's some good things

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to that. One is there's two things that go into AI compute. It's it's actual processing power which is your physical hardware chips but then there's also algorithms which is a software component of that and as AI gets smarter the algorithms improve and therefore there's

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less reliance on physical compute so you can do more with with less and that's going to continue to advance and there's also advances in computing coming you got quantum computing uh completely different technologies that that won't use any of the traditional chip infrastructure that we have now so as

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those advance. I think this is going to be kind of a cyclical thing. This might not be a conversation. It's even relevant next 5 years. Um and so um if there are these centers built, something else we need to consider is mitigation for when

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they inevitably are outdated and torn down. How do we do that? Do we need to consider a a bond of some sort for the uh the people that build the data center to say how how do we decommission this and how do we not create a brown field

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when we use it. So that's just something we need to look at as well. Um I think the uh I do like the idea of a performative definition as opposed to a data center definition. And I think again we're we're focused on the actual

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impact um in our power bills in our uh the use of water in our environmental impact. That's the more important thing than trying to just define a data center because like I said with advances in technology there's a good possibility that um there's very minimal impact. um

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and you know another user that's moving in a big industrial plant of some sort may have more environmental impact um than what we're worried about with data center. So I think we need to look more at environmental impact as opposed to just a definition of a data center which is

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catching all that press at the moment. So that being said, I'm fully supportive of the moratorum. It's how we get our hands wrapped around this. Um and um there's a lot of things that we need to consider as we do it. So that's my piece

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of news. >> Thank you, Chairman. Amanda Hill, development economic group. Uh I just want to clarify for our um our notes whether or not we are going to be changing the language relative to the exemption to strike the language where

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we previously mentioned located internally to a building where such rooms are that phrase that's included in there. I believe that that was something that was mentioned before. Well, the motion maker did not include that in the motion that language. So, I think that's why she's

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asking for clarification. >> Yes, >> that was your opinion on my motion. >> You want to address the school district's concerns, you probably should

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include that in the motion. Hi, >> my concern is we could potentially have a building on campus that is not part of the interior school. So that's where my telling me that they have some accessory

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servers that are not interior to their building. So there could be other users that are similarly situated that it's that it's their server or from computer room. It just happens to not be interior

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located within it just doesn't happen to be within the same building. So I think that makes sense language. Um I think the Liam raises a good point. Um I

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understand Mr. point to about there is that potential for abuse and good, right? But I'd rather error on the side of not outline school districts um and you know worry about the potential for

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abuse. I guess the recommendation is >> yeah strike the exemption trying to break that phrase located within a building from the exemption. I'll amend my motion to >> question

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the school board from that concern that >> but that wouldn't exempt a hospital that needs a >> there could be other users that have the same issue. I don't I think it's just one issue of bell to run it down

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a road of yes abuse of the microphone to do this. Um abuse is not your primary issue. I think you need to create a moratorum against

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the things that are the heels of the combat consequences of these centers, right? Number one, we hear this all over the news. People don't want their electric rates going up

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because the data center when we heard the testimony from just an angle right at the outset that are telling them unless 20 megawatt or more it's not a problem and then they're not

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going to raise anybody's rates in a building how much electricity needs that they use. It's how much water that's in use. Okay. And that's that's one of the other big in the data center is we hear all

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these horror stories. I'm not an expert in these things, but when I watch the movies, I hear the horror stories of how much water is being used by these things. You should be looking at capping water usage. And I don't care whether it's a

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data center or whether it's a ser it's more about the impact. It's it being we don't really care if it's a data center. We care about the impact on the water usage. It's it's the power it's the

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noise and the noise. I don't think it's the noise coming from the computer. I think the noise component is the secondary power generators that they have actually some

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of these data centers are actually powering systems with these generators. So >> it's generator. It's the water usage. If they're using their own generation, it would be the efficiency

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and we have to be able to quantify each one of them. >> Well, we would we would be concerned about how you can quantify them yet because we just don't know enough about it to say they can't use certain amount of water or they can't use a certain amount of So what the only thing we know

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that they've talked about quantifying is the mang commission we would be considering some of the same impacts if it was a large scale industrial user that was coming in. We're going to build a manufacturing plant that uses a ton of water, uses a

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ton of energy, creates a lot of noise, creates a lot of emissions. We'd be looking at some of the same things. really that's that's what this discussion is about is >> if I say this is one it would be to recommend

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a 12 month temporary moratorum we're only a recommending body not final decision making authority that that recommendation comes with a recommendation that the board look at performance standards and the staff

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needs to do a little perform research before getting to the board to provide some input on what standards might be. >> Yeah, I think you it's not fair when you need to turn and allow a

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manufacturing facility that uses 10 times the amount of water the data center. Well, you do have a notice after an issue because the the ordinance before you is limited to

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effectively data centers, >> right? So that's they'd have to if you're going to expand it beyond data centers that's require problemed to computer processing facilities could

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use x much electricity x much water make x much noise what I'm getting at is not county commissioners tomorrow's there's the first hearing and the second. So we have another month at least.

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There's plenty of time to do a little bit of research with that basic numbers and then those are going to change but I'm decision

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proposal 199 is appropriate. Loop of the water are actually verified to be able to come in here and call something something else and get this in. I can tell you right now there's a lot of creative warriors saying, "Well,

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we'll figure that out 5 minutes after we turn the fear." that guarantee his will and you're going to hear from somebody that is allowed in that abuse is allowed

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in I guarantee you there's going to be a case that I talked about this for three hours and 15 I love it. >> I think you just sat here and listen to something that all these people were here in support of. Can we not? We sit

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up here and it sounds like we're debating components of what should be in the ordinance that we want the moratorium to allow us time to establish. Can we not just move forward with the moratorum and let the people that lot know a lot more than us about this stuff? The

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>> point was is the moratorum may be in effect >> if it's not worded properly. We can sit up here to fill guard if you want. We can talk about it, but I don't think we're going to come up with any answers. >> Well, as a recommended body that we can

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recommend that that comes up that that's considered before it goes to final vote. So, you know, we can absolutely approve it and say, hey, you might want to look at this before you make a final approval on this. Again, we're just a recommended body.

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I was just a state statute language I see a large scale data center and a large load us primarily contain electronic equipment to process storage and transmit digital information structure or facility with a larger

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structure environment control equipment proper condition the operation electron equipment. So that's a pretty broad cover and that's my point that cover ser would cover a server room in the back of

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your office. >> We provided exemption language and the language for the moratorium and we've also given the out for somebody to come talk to the board. Is that not correct David? >> Correct. So >> necessity. So we we've covered all that.

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>> I don't know. >> Yeah. I mean the question is it is the young lady that spoke before is it you know at what cost what's the actual benefit of the residence and we're talking all around that performance criteria all that that's exactly what we're talking about and it's you know

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how do we bring this down for a landing so we can allow David's team the 12 months and if 12 months is not enough that we'll give another 12 months. >> Yeah I think on it. It's just that this is the asterric to to the approval. This is the aster of this is what we think

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you should look at as well. >> Well, I agree with you. We can't one thing. DNR I think our duty is to make a motion to approve the moratorum as requested and give us give us the

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opportunity to do the research necessary so that we can quantify these items and and I think that's the way we need to go. We all know that we want to have a I think we all agree there's no question about the fact that we want to have a mortorium

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matter of you know what items we want to have any overall ordinance when we finally come to some decision about it and none of us I don't think and nobody in this room has enough information to

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really give us answers to that shall question >> I would discussion. >> Well, the motion we have on the table is not about extending that. >> I'll to remove the language regarding

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incidental director. >> Amanda, do you have the >> language again? So, we can talk about the language we're moving >> language of the exemption. I think you'd be you'd be removing praise. is

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section. >> Yeah. >> Located internal to a building. >> Okay. Strike that located internal to to a building. >> You're making a motion motion. Yeah. To include this >> moratorium subject to making that change.

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>> Correct. I think we have a motion and we have several seconds of the motion signify by saying I >> I like sign motion carries have a moratorum

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commission >> you can clap now it's Yes. Consent. Thanks. Thank you everyone for coming. Don't have any ties. Ready? >> Yes, sir. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. I'm Chris

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Cyber of Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. All items except for item PC9 have individual signed up to speak. Would you like me to read item TC9 and move the other agenda items to >> PC?

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PC9 does not have an individual speak, but all of the other agenda items do have individual sign up to speak. >> DC6. >> Item DC6, you will be sitting as the local planning agency board. This item does have a companion item which is item

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PC7. PC6 is PTE 267856 two rivers MP. PD 26 0437 is a small scale comprehensive plan amendment CPA 24 parentheses 0 7 CPA two

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rivers providing for a comprehensive plan sex amendments to sub area policy blue 7.1 two rivers meeting this is coming with a request to continue the items to be July 9th 2026 at 1:30 p.m. or soon thereafter saying

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that he already said this item does have four individuals signed up to speak. on the there's two there's two problems BC and seven right >> BC6 >> okay and you said

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yes >> is the continuence to the present the agenda memo >> yes sir present Okay. Um, is there anybody here that had intended?

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>> This was noticed as a continuance. >> So, planning commission does not have any obligation to take public comments. There were not as a continuence. The continuence is to the date in the agenda memo. So,

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you don't have any obligation to take comments. >> Okay. What day are they here? >> July 9th, 2026 at 1:30 p.m. Date City, R. Okay. Uh you that raise your hand, you

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understand what we said about the fact that these items were noticed and so we have no obligation to listen to comment on me because they were noticed and they become a different date.

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However, if you're here and you have a particular issue making the meetings here, I'll give you an opportunity to speak, but we realize that when you speak today, you

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will not be able to speak Okay. So, you >> I'll wait. >> You like to speak today or do you want to speak today? >> Lady in the black dress. Lady in the black. >> I don't know. I just >> Huh?

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>> I I don't know. I don't know. If you make it back on the 9th of July, then you can speak then. If you can't make it and you want to speak today, you can speak today. Just know that you can't do it. >> The option >> your testimony will go on the record is what?

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>> Six. >> Item six, PC6. >> All right. First, she Okay. All right.

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I have a motion to move contin to July 9th. Motion discussion in favor that's going to be heard on the 9th. Okay. Item DC companion MPD to item PC6

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PD 2678 56 they've already read the title for PC6 and I mentioned it's a companion item for PC7 read the title and the PC7. >> All right. Item PC7 is the companion MP

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of PD to item PC6 PD 267856. A zoning amendment in the name of Two Rivers MPD master plan unit development is modification by EPG two rivers development LLC. a reszoning position for an MPD master plan development

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district and MPD master plan unit development to allow for the maximum development 4,47 single family detach units 200 multif family units 1,335,000 ft of office target industry

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1,335,000 ft of industrial 1,335,000 ft of retail 300 beds for assisted living facility 480 hotel rooms in a 35 acre recreational water park on 3,396

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12 acres located in southeast pass county on the north and south side of state road 56 from Mars Bridge Road to G Boulevard July 9th at 13 to continue it continue.

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Okay. Item PC8 is P26791 zoning amendment in the name of Mitrous Family Extended LLC project for a change in zoning for an AR agricultural residential district to an R4

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highdensity residential district west central Pasco County the west side of Kent Grove Drive approximately 1 mile north state road 52 containing approximately 40.96 acres. This is coming with the recommendation of approval to the board of county commissioners the proposed presenting

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request. This item has two individuals signed up to speak. Is there present anyone yet? >> Okay, we'll pull that. >> Is that continued? >> Regular gender so we can hear it.

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>> Thank you. It's a PC 9 PD 267927 a zoning amendment in the name of 52 and Bellamy investment group LLC bom partial reszoning for a change in zoning from an

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I1 by industrial park district to a C2 general commercial district in central Pasu county southeast corner of the intersection of state road 52 brother approximately 1.51 acres this is coming with the recommendation of approvals at

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Port County Commissioners with reason to object. >> Thanks. >> Item PC10 is PD 26 CU01, a conditional use request in the name of St. Joe Ranch

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LLC and BB Agriism LLC for conditional use permit to combine two previously approved conditional use permits parentheses CU12-07 and CU19-01 into one unified conditional use permit

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for an amusement park in an AC agricultural district. This is in North Central Passer County approximately 850 ft east of the intersection of St. Joe Road and Building Brothers Boulevard containing approximately 118 acres. It's coming with recommendation of approvals

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to the board of county commissioners with proposed conditional use request with conditions as set forth under the recommendation commission section. This item has two four individuals signed up to speak.

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Okay. Speak four individuals. Raise your hand please. Item PC1 is PD26 CU13 the conditional use request in the name of St. Joe Ranch LLC and BBX LLC for conditional use permit for the

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sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages, beer, wine and liquor for on premise consumption funding in conjunction with amusement park AC agricultural district sites in north central pass county 840 ft east of the

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intersection of St. road is only further 12 containing approximately 118 acres. Recommendation of approval to board county commissioners the proposed conditional use request with conditions as set forth under the recommendation condition section. This has two

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individuals sign up to speak and One more please. >> Item APC14 hands with the planning agency for PD 26706 a development agreement in the name of Kenton Road commercial development

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agreement. Kent Road Commercial LC. The development agreement is for the Kenton Road commercial MPV to design, permit, and construct Kenton Road from an e1 road to overpass road as a two-lane road inclusive of intersection improvements in exchange for cash reimbursement

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within connecting the city located central pass county. This coming with a recommendation to find the proposed development agreement consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the board of county commissioners. This item has two individuals signed up to speak. Yeah,

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good present. Move to approve consent agenda which is just PC9. Second. All in favor signify by saying I sign. PCA is amendment

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like Senator Cres presented last night planning development economic Grove. >> This is RT7901 family extended LLC project is a uklidian zoning amendment going from AR agricultural residential

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district to an R4 high density residential district. Future land use classification is rest three residential three dwelling use sacre purposes developing up to 77 family detached homes. The location of the

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property is the west side of Kent Grove Tribe about a mile north of skate road 52. Here's the general location of the property. It is in central market area. Here we have an area context map.

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It is just to the left west of Kent Grove Drive, the CX CSX railroads. To the east across the road is the Cal Vera MPU. A little bit further east is 41. To the south is State Road 52. And then over to

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the west, you can see the Sun Coast Parkway. That area central market area is actually positioned to the suburban areas. Here's an aerial shot of property the wooded areas among the invest

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future land use map of the area. See all residential three in that area. Here's the zoning map. property is AR. Uh you have the area of MPU to the east, AR to the north and then some AC to the

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northwest. Subject site consists of approximately 41 acres developed with one single family mobile home. Um the property has about 10 acres of category 9 violence. Proposed access to the property is from

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Kent Code Drive. Uh currently it is via Hland Road which is a privately been maintained easily to the south. Um the applicant has volunteer deed restrictions some of which the maximum number dwelling units is 77.

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There is a fair share uh contribution of $375,000 to the Kent Grove Drive improvements. There will be in u in sellers contracts when they're going to buy homes. There will be a railroad disclosure warning

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letting them know of potential noise from the railroad or smell at visual impacts. There also addresses monotony control and then additional landscaping and buffering requirements. So site is not adjacent to any trails.

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Uh there is a 10 foot wide multi-use path that goes along state 52 g and askation to recommend approval to the board of county commissioners of the request and I'm here.

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>> Thank you, >> Mr. Chairman. Uh, planning commission members Clark Hobby Hobby and Hobby PA 109 with Rush Street team Florida have been sworn. Uh, before I get going, I'll make it very brief. I did want to alert the planning commission. Uh, you all may

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have heard that our good friend Chris Williams lost his father last night. His father was a legend in the county. Ted Williams, he was a property appraiser for 28 years. Uh, served on school board before that. So, let's all be thinking of and praying for Chris and his family

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in the days to come. So, I want to make sure everybody knew that. Um, you heard a a staff presentation which was uh not only accurate but pretty thorough. The sites located in the central market area and the board adopted policies in the

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comprehensive plan in about 2011 to create market areas and located this site in the central market area. And that was in part due to a ULI study that we had done. And the ULI panel identified the area north of 52 between

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the Sun Coast and 52 as being an area that already had significant infrastructure in place. And for that reason, the board adopted policies to encourage growth in the area. So what we're seeking to do here is uh you know

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generally low density uh project. It's 77 units on 40 gross acres. It's about 25% less than the existing future land use would allow. The future land use would allow 102. We're seeking 77. We've

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capped the units even though we weren't required to. We agreed to abide by all the PM26 memo requirements for landscaping architecture for the units. Uh there uh we increased the buffer on the south side uh because that's really

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the only neighbors we have on the north side, west side. There's a large wetland system and I think some of our neighbors may want to talk about that, but it provides about a two or 300 foot buffer from most of the folks on the north end. Uh, and just two last things. This has

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even though it there is a an unrecorded subdivision with larger lots to the south of us, this area has never been in one of the county's identified rural areas. The county does not have any rural preservation goals for this area.

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And lastly, uh, when I got involved, I could see Kent Grove Drive had, uh, a lot of problems that needed to be repaved. And I worked with, uh, Jason and Public Works, and they actually repaved Kent Drove in the last couple of

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weeks. Uh, and our client is contributing a significant amount of money towards that cost. Um, we couldn't afford to do it all ourselves because it's over a mile long, but we did agree to contribute 375 grand. So, I have our engineers here and everybody to answer

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questions that the planning commission may have or we'll hear from our neighbors and respond to those. >> Thank you. >> Mr. Chair, first individual signed up is Cody McBride. >> Thank you, gentlemen. I'm Cody McBride 17450 Kunai Road, Spring Hill, Florida.

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I have been sworn in. Um, you know, I'm the longest resident other than my dad in the Kate Grove area. Been there 59 years. I'm intimately aware aware of this property. In fact, I used to bail on it when I was a kid. I'm very aware of the environmental hazards the north

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side that Mr. Jav spoke about. The uh the tributary there is called the Riyles Branch. Miles Branch feeds out of Greens Green Lake at Galler's Corner. Uh the FDOT was very uh diligent put drainage under under 41 and 52 so that all of

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Connor preserve and some people may disagree. All of Conor Preserve can be drained through the wild ranch directly into the Fifth Loot River. Pifudi River, the upper pithi river preserve county park is just the west of there. It's a

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wildlife corridor. I submit to you that there's a lot of wildlife that uses the Ry branch as well. That's all I want to say about the uh the environmental impacts although they are very substantial. The surrounding community is one acre or

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greater parcels. It was planned that way with Mr. Kent and Mr. Whitmer years ago. That's the way it was designed so that septic tanks and wells would be allowed. Mr. Hobby talked about the infrastructure, the significant infrastructure that was in the area.

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There is no water. There is no sewer. Part of King Grove Road is King Grove Drive is now paved only to the applicant's entrance. Uh you know, he's he's mentioned a little bit about the uh the buffering on the south side.

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Everybody in the neighborhood has chickens, they have pigs, they have goats. It's a rural community and it always has been. People that live in that community treasure that and that's what they appreciate. That's the why they live there. I speak for the

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majority of the residents because I've attended all the community meetings. Also attended the meetings at Tala Vera CDD meetings. Those meetings were uh based on the applicant trying to get the the infrastructure, the water and the sewer tied into the Tala community and

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run underneath CSX railway and underneath the rials branch which in my opinion could be a uh environmental disaster. I appreciate your time. I appreciate you guys listening so closely to all the

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previous uh notions and previous uh discussions that were had. I appreciate your input. Thank you very much for giving me a moment to speak to you guys and I hope you take my my comments uh under adisement. Thank you very much gentlemen. >> Thank you very much.

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>> The other individual sign up to speak on this item is Timothy. 1281 K window a few lots up the road from this post lot and uh I have a few concerns one is the the whole wetland and

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flooding so what maybe wasn't on that map is not only does it share wetland it shares the same I a whole bunch of us share the same contiguous FEMA flood zone a U area with that property. So that

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property start getting filled in on not even in the wetlands but flood zone outside it's spilled our property start to get flooded more. So another thing that wasn't mentioned he talk about pavement the road that road floods not that the pavement didn't fix that. So,

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you know, if you feel a couple potholes scaled, then that road still floods when it rains to the point where we have to drive around the other way. On the back end of this neighborhood, it's a dirt road, a dusty dirt road. Every every time someone goes up and down this road, there's dust clouds and there's not

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my concern and everyone else here hasn't like been able to show up here because it's in the middle of a workday. This is a big rural community, low density. There's not infrastructure here for putting up a whole bunch of high density right in the middle of a rural

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community. Um, this isn't like Tala where it's accessible straight off 41 um, you know, traffic. So, I guess I'm saying I guess you think uh, can can you guarantee with this go in that there's going to be no flooding impact on my

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property? Um and then can we get the north entrance paved as well because their road feeding high density is isn't that's not how pass should be doing things. Um just saying that there's one entrance to a neighborhood that's paved doesn't discount that anyone who's

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trying to enter an exit north this neighborhood goes to this dirt road adding seven seven more houses going along this dirt road is not going to be appreciated by everyone living along that road. >> Okay. Anyway, anybody else?

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>> She wants to speak to Julia 2645, Florida55. And yes, this area is contiguous to the upper Cody River preserved and it's extremely important wildlife area and

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there are a lot of species in there that need to be preserved. Plus during a hard rain which we really haven't had much of lately north of north on 41 is actually ponding. So we need to be really really

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careful like what areas we're developing and paving over any development in this in this community would be incompatible with the existing community in the next community and it's a wonderful wonderful

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rural community and this would just be an eyesore and this would be an environmental disaster um because we need to preserve what is left of that Cody River preser and Angelina's already there on the

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south side. That's enough. Enough needs to be enough and this would not be the place for a development like this. Thank you. I speak just for a moment. Thank you. My name's Jan Brown. address is 17451

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Minola Drive. I use Brooksville still 34610. Only thing I want to do is ask the board, ask the county commissioners according in accordance to Florida State

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Statute 125.66 that we have next month's meeting in accordance with this after 5:00. Please, >> I'm sorry. So, we can't

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>> we can't change the time >> statute at 125.66. >> after 5:00 and if we request it, >> pardon me. after 5 right now. >> Yes. After 5. >> So our community can be there. Our

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community works. We're working people. >> I know everybody here works. We all have jobs. >> Okay. >> We're all making a sacrifice behavior. >> And that's what the statute says is to ask for it to be after 5:00.

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statute can be our county attorney statute can be oh it has to be overclock as because when we have a meeting like this that means we're over here. >> That's fine. That's fine. That means our

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community can go. Our community can't come to meetings like this. So, they can't speak. So, >> I think we have pretty good representation. >> Pardon? >> I think we have a pretty good crowd

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today. >> So, that's it. because we have a community that would like to speak on something that's going to come into our community, ruin our tributary, ruin our property. I've lived there since 1971.

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I think I'm the second oldest and Mr. McBride here. And we don't want that in our community. It's going to ruin it. Christine Zimmer. Got my address on record. Kit Groves is a very unusual, very

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special neighborhood. It's very rural and I lived out there for 10 years, so I do know and I did deal with the impact of the flooding. The road was washed out on multiple occasions. the paving that they've done is only to suffice their unit, their interests. And $375,000

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is not enough to go towards a contribution to that. And why would you want to change the zoning to a high high density when the future land use zoning isn't that high? Why do they have to have it maxed out

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with that? Granted, with the high with the four, they're going to be able to get more, but they're not. So they're making it look good, but when the fact is the area is not conducive to that kind of density at this time and even their future land use three is less. So

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think about that. But is there any parks? Is there any recreation facilities being included in this? Are there sidewalks being included in any of this? Let's take a look at that plan and take a better review before you approve it. Thank you. See, we're not here to

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review the site plan. They're asking for R4 zoning >> and it's three, >> right? >> Future land use is threes. >> Yeah. This is a Uklitian reszoning request which isn't mentioned like an

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MPU. In fact, if I were going to ask the applicant a question, why didn't >> he district, >> but by virtue of him asking for the uklidian district now

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bound to meet the land development code in all of its requirements in in all respects. >> Development code requires sidewalks and the land development code requires a neighborhood park. That's not up for debate here. has to be in the land

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development code. Okay. Thank you. >> Hi, Michaela Krauss 35920 Praise 102 Zephr Hills, Florida 33541. I have sworn. Um, I'm here today because

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it is very emotional for me being brought up in a rural community, living in Zephr Hills, watching the concrete. The concrete that is an eyesore. the concrete that killed all of

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the wildlife that I would make friends with going outside to lower my cortisol level, you know, to be stress free, relax. You know, this land, we have to respect it. This is sacred land, okay?

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Native Americans were here before us. It's a sacred sacred land and we are just letting these developers come in, look at it from a satellite, have no emotional connection to it and add concrete.

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And people like me, I'm generational Z, you know, I love animals and farmland and I'd love to grow up and raise my family in this county. I'd love to buy an agricultural piece of property and just, you know, honor it, respect it.

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You know, we are residents. We have feelings. We have eyes and nose. We like fresh air. We like clean water. You know, I really hope that you guys think about us. And don't think about the money. Don't think about shortterm

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profits. You know, think about what unites us. This divine creation. >> Thank you. >> Native Americans on your land where you live. >> I said, "Were there Native Americans on the land that you live on?" So then what

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gave you the right to build on yours? >> Sir, I didn't build anything. I just am trying to make >> somebody on it, right? You live in something. You live in a build house. >> And I was too young to come and defend it. >> Somebody else's fault. Just what you're saying >> what somebody did then.

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>> I'm just saying if the where I live in now, if I was old enough to come here and defend the land, I would. And I'm here now and I'm old enough to defend this land. I'm trying to protect it and just, you know, we have stores this land

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and we have to honor it. If we have to put something in every single piece, why does it have to be high density? Why does it have to go from agricultural to this high density city? You know, why can't we just honor it and look at the

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people and say, "Hey, these citizens might want a pet pig. You know, they might want a cow. They need a little more room for that. It's kind of hard density." >> Your feeling as someone who lives on a

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large lot. I don't have any pigs, but I've had a pig and I have chickens. And I can understand that. What I'm getting at is we hear from people all the time who come in here and tell us, "Well, we need to respect this land and keep it in our

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natural condition, but we all forgot that somehow the house that we live in got built by somebody, too, and some developer divided the land we live on up into into lots." what what what made it okay for us to be here but not the next

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>> I just hope that the developers we give them a lot of our trust I know you guys trust them but firsthand I I don't trust them I have friends that work for developers collar that find Indian

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spearheads and they don't know they don't know to report these things they just say hey boss I found a spearhead and it's like whoa hey This land is actually maybe something we shouldn't lose, you know, and maybe just respect

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just a little bit more than we are. >> Just keep in mind we're a mediated body so that the you know we're not making decisions to develop anything. We have applicants that own property and they have property rights too to be able to sell or to be able to, you know, develop

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that property. And then we have other people that are neighboring that that also have rights and have concerns. We our job is to try to be the mediator between them. So just keep going somewhere else. >> You see Hazewood 34110110 a nice place.

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Maybe we can change the rules and regulations some so it's not as easy to do this. Anyway, that's not what I wanted to to address. Um, I heard them talk about flooding and I'm running into a lot of people that are having flooding

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problems. They never had it before. It's not the county's fault. It's not the developer's fault. It's something that's a hundred years. And I'm I'm hearing it over and over and over again. How can you make sure that if this guy

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these people get start getting flooded that they aren't all of a sudden having to pay for the damage done because it's not the developer's fault and it's not the county's fault. It's nobody's fault because it's a hundredyear thing but

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it's happening more and more development. What? Because of development. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I'll try to be brief. I did I do want Jordan Shreder, our engineer, to speak to some of the

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flooding and those type of issues. But just a little bit of further background for the planning commission as you consider this matter. Tala Vera is within a stones throw literally of the site on the other side of the railroad tracks and it has 60 foot lots and the

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and we're also in close proximity to so-called mosquito control site and the board just did a future land use change and a reasonzoning to allow the same size lots that we're seeking today. When it again coming to the density we're essentially asking with the deed

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restrictions we have 2.25 units per acre under the calculations that the county uses. So, we're under the existing uh future land use density. When it comes to Kent Grove Drive, just again to give you all a sense of things, this project

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is proposing a path of 77 units. There are already well over 200 other uh units in the area that access uh uh their properties from Krove Drive. So, we're not in a small area with, you know, a few 10 acre tracks and 10 units. There's

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a a fair amount of people out there. I I do understand that they're on a in a legacy project with larger lots. I get that. But again, the board's adopted policy for this area is res 3 and they encourage growth there and we feel like we're being very responsible in the way

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that we're doing it. But with that, Mr. Moody, go ahead. Finish. >> Uh that's what I was going to say. I was going to just leave any engineering uh followup to Mr. >> Ask a question about the road improvement. There was $375,000

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once we're road improvement. >> Is all of Kent Grove Drive County maintained? It is past our site. At some point it splits off there. It goes further north and there may be a

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section up north of us that isn't and Lucier is dirt but there sort of and goes into Lucier which is what I think a good question. So I'm looking to the north of you. And Grove Drive is an ingress appears to be an ingress egress easement.

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And there's a section to the south of you that appears to be an ingress egress easement. >> That's we do have I don't have the map in front of me, but we have confirmed that we have public rideway to our site. >> That's what I'm getting. Is it maintained right away or

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>> Well, it's just not it's not showing. the county the county paved Kinko Kent Grove Drive about 25 years ago under a dusty road exemption, but I don't know that the county actually conducted any maintenance. And and to your point, Mr.

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Moody, the the pavement of the road goes right up to the edge of the rideway in many cases. So, I don't know if the county's out there mowing the side of it. >> That was paved in 1979. when we're in the res three land use and

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higher far allow subdivisions where access is by decent >> right it looks to me it's it's when we're coming from where coming from 52 from the north at some point we're

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forced to pass through an easement, not a right of way. That's why I'm asking if it's maintained right of way or if it's actually right away. >> I'll have to go back and look at that. I was need to see your client get a

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reasonzoning only know that he can't submit not being accessed by right away. >> Um, Mr. Moody, I I looked at the Pasco mapper and it shows this road is county

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maintained from the project's site south all maintained. >> I can check higher, but it's >> Well, we'll look into it, Mr. Moody. I I certainly understand your position. >> Correct. Correct. It doesn't show as right of way. it shows as an easement,

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but but I think David can confirm that if the county maintains the right of way, whether or not it's an easement or not, then it's then it's the county's right of way. Maintained right away for >> sounds like that's happened for far more

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than that when they pay. >> Oh, that's right. >> Yeah, good point. And and we may want to clean that up prior to development as far as the boundary of the the maintained rideway. That's a good point. If it's a Go ahead. >> How are you bringing?

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>> We don't have a final answer on that. We've actually looked at a couple of different ways that we might bring utilities over from 41. We did talk to Tala Vera. Uh we haven't completely shut the door on that, but there are other properties that we're talking to where we could come in and uh go under the

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railroad track. Um so that's what our our plan is for right now. It's not going to be cred incredibly cheap but or or short, but that's what the plan is for right now. >> Could you address the statement that

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you're going to be accessing the dirt road part of Kent Grove? >> Well, we are not I mean Kent Grove I mean our site is only on the portion of Kent Grove that's paved. It's it's paved past our site.

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>> He won't be accessing the dirt. No, no. Pink Grove dead ends up there. I think what they're talking about is there's another road named Lazier. I mean, if you follow it on out, there's another quarter or half mile that you hypothetically could go up there, but

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that's not where our proposed access is. Not the same road. >> Can I have Mr. Tra talk about that? I think it would be good to hear from him for sure. Good afternoon, members of the planning commission. Thank you for your service, especially on a day like today. We

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appreciate all your time. Jordan Trader, 310 Westil Street, Sweet 150, Tampa, Florida, 33609. And I have been sworn. Um, I took notes. I'm going to try to address some of the neighboring concerns. If anybody has additional questions, we go through, but I did feel like I capture everything, but if I miss

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anything, please feel free to add. Um, Mr. Mr. McBride, we have met with Mr. McBride, both Cody and Jim previously, as a lot of people know, Mr. Mr. Jim McBride has been our committee for a long time and is very well respected. Um, Mr. Cody brought up the the wetland

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system on the north side that is tributary to the Cody River is a category one wetland. There are no proposed impacts to that. We recognize and understand the significance of that wetland. Um, again, that's a system along the north side. It's a well- definfined drainage system. He also talked about Ry Branch, which which goes

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into that. And I want to mention this project because it does not have an existing plan development and is uklitian. It will be subject to the new statewide storm water rule which improves and reduces nitrogen and phosphorus as it goes into this system. So we recognize that this project will

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comply with additional storm water treatment as it drains into that tributary. I missed his last name, but Tim earlier has talked about the flood zone A that straddles it. This is a watershed that's been studied by SwiftMUD and it is a relic zone A on FEMA's map, but there is

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a Cody River wershed that was done by the water management district that more clearly defines the flood plane. And one thing about this property is it's it's characterized as really a local high point. It's an old orange grove. It has a very well- definfined drainage system along the north side and the vast

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majority of the flood plane is well contained within that category one wetland. So there are essentially nominal or dimminimous flood plane any impacts from this project because that flood plane is contained in there. There are existing homes on the other side of it that built structures in the flood plane. Okay, that they flooded with

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Milton. They've seen that this project uh through construction plan design and permitting will not adversely impact or alter any of the flood plane for their surrounding neighbors. Tim Tim mentioned the dirt road further to

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the north. I think as you can see Kent Grove Road, it essentially dead ends into the McBride house. So there's really not a lot of pass through traffic that will go on that dirt road section. I think that kind of addresses itself. There was a lady and there was uh Jane Brown, they talked about the significance of the Cody River which is

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due west and again this drainage system to the north will be subject to new storm water rules. So we'll remove and it's actually a reduction in total nitrogen phosphorus not just what it discharges today. So the new state water rule ensures that there's less nitrogen phosphorus that enter that system.

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As far as Michaela and the last person go she mentioned something about emotional connection. I just want to say that uh a lot of us do have an a very very intense emotional connection. One of the reasons I became a civil engineer is because I realized you either watch people do it and be frustrated or become

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a part of it and help with that process. That's what led me into this path. Um, I chose this profession because we have a direct impact on people. It allows us to make sure we don't have flooding. So, I want you to know as a licensed engineer, we take it very seriously. This project will go through swift mud and county and

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all of these all of the technical training things will be addressed at that point in time. If there are any other questions, I'm happy to answer them. >> I very honestly I'm concerned that there's no utility

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service and I saw the comments in here from utilities about there not being adequate pressure in Tala Vera trying to figure out what's the plan for utilities. So there was a screen to be on that.

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>> So we've received that comment. We have had extensive discussions with utilities about this area and when the talent vera issues were happening with pressures in the area, Mr. Moody, the utility department found out that there were a whole series of valves that had been

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accidentally closed in the area. >> Yeah. And once they fix that, we're hearing from Talair that the pressures have risen considerably. I would also say we've done a bunch of work for the Mitchell 41 project and other projects in the area that are coming online and

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we're looking at a couple of other potential fixes. Some of which involving looping some lines and some involve uh installing uh uh pumps for portable pressure uh increases in the area. And so we're looking at all that. We

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obviously have to meet all the technical requirements that you know PCU imposes on us. So we're we're confident we can get there. Jordan's firm has done extensive modeling in the area since that comment was given.

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And they later, by the way, they later requested 77 lots. Is it economically feasible to bring utilities to the property? We've discussed that with our client numerous times. Our client's very sophisticated and they believe that it

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is to develop several thousand lots in the Bay Area. So, they believe they can do it. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Any other questions, comments, discussions?

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Motion for discussion. >> Chance for a rebuttal from the public hear. >> Any chance for a rebuttal from the public? Sir, >> please public doesn't get rebuttal. And if you give it public rebuttal, then you're

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gonna give the applicant rebuttal again. So does not. You can speak to the board of county commissioner. >> Absolutely. Thank you, sir. >> Continue project. >> Thank you, sir. must continue.

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>> The reason for that is I don't want to deny this project, but there is not a plan for utility services on this property. There's not a clearly defined plan to get utilities here. I

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think art may be a little bit fit for the force right to develop land but there's water and sewer are critical to this and I don't see the point of

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giving it an R4 zoning and high density zoning if we don't have the adequate facilities there were to be a feasible plan to get it there is where I'm at. >> If I might that the comment that Mr.

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Moody's referring to and I understand is overall point but staff later rescended that comment and added another one that said we will evaluate as we always do utilities at the time of the proposed development. So even though we have a R4

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zoning, there's nothing to stop my client to come in and build halfacre lots if they want to later. Even with the R4 zoning at that point, we would have well and septic. So until the development time is nine and I'm fine

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with that and then come back and ask for halfacre lots. We can talk about R2 or R1. >> I appreciate your sentiment, Mr. May, but that you're asking us to do something that no one else has to do on a ukitian zoning. You're not required to do what you're talking about. I

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appreciate your comment. We will solve the issue at the time of site plan approval as we're required to do by the code. That's when we're required to solve it. >> How many rebuttals does he get when we can't have any? >> Yeah.

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>> No comments from the crowd. We're just we have plenty of time to talk. All right. If they if they are granted the R4, then it's their problem to solve, right?

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I mean, in order to move forward with the R4, they have to solve the problem. They have to get the utilities, adequate utilities. So, it's like Yes. I would also note that we don't have clear evidence that they have access via a public right of

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way either. They admitted here today that well we need to look at that and we might need to get that cleaned up. There's a time in the future. Go get it cleaned up. Go figure out what you're going to do utilities and come back. I said I don't want to deny the zoning. I'm just saying and continue it so you can come back with some

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>> answers about access and utilities. >> Doesn't the county maintain right away give them county maintain? >> Don't know if it's staff testified if it's county maintained. >> I don't know. I mean that's a factual

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question, but I don't have that evidence in front of me yet. assuming somebody has stopped to answer that but I don't have that fact he's paid it twice to ask that question

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sir I can't answer that question all I can say is on mapper it's county maintained from the >> can you please use your microphone sir >> sure the only thing I can stipulate to is on Pasco mapper the county maintains the

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rightway way for the easement from the property boundary or the place where they're going to interconnect all the way down to state 52 that I can stay. >> Okay. And I suspect we've maintained it for longer than four years. I just don't have the information.

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>> Good evening everyone. My name is Bar, assistant public works director. Uh pleasure to see you all this evening. I can tell you that uh from a public works standpoint from 52 going north to um the name of the roads escaping

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>> uh past that also. Uh basically we maintain all of Canro I can tell you as far as uh pavement the portions that aren't paved degrading uh as well as any kind of mowing or or landscaping. Now, as far as how back how far back that goes, I'm not sure, but I can certainly

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find those answers out for you all. That wouldn't be no problem. We can just look at service requests, work orders, but I can confirm that our our main staff does perform uh the work from 52 North all the way up to where Camp. So, I hope that's helpful.

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I wasn't paid that far. We have motion on the floor. We have a second. Pardon me. Motion. Yeah. A second. Do we have another motion? >> Make motion to approve. Second.

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Motion to approve and a second. That's the recommendation to the county commissioners. Favor motion signify by saying I. I. I >> like sign.

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>> Thank you. >> Still have the BC. >> Why did you come? >> I know. CP additional use request in the name of St. Joe range to be presented by staff's coming up. Just for the record,

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I will be abstaining from >> I'm coming out. You may need to wait for the chair to trailer. Right. Good. Alexis temporary vice chair. Sure. >> It's going to be dinner apparently.

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Yes. >> This is recess. I find aware Well, since the night now, right? >> Make sure the advertising is right. I'm going to double my time, too. I prefer. You tell I'm trying to get the sleep.

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Although we could go to the next next >> 101. We go to 12. We go to 12 but we got waiting on >> you make a motion to there's there's a

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question of 14 >> vice chair I move we Agenda person on 14 objectors you know 14. Yeah, >> you have a suggestion back here. See if

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anybody's here. >> Went to the Terry's a staff member and he just went to the restaurant. >> He thought he could sneak. >> I think her objectors have left. So you just guys just call her speak on ABC.

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>> I can do the presentation. >> Is there anybody to speak? There's one visual part tonight. >> We're going to plan B. I'm good. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So item B14 is the Kenton Road

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commercial development agreement. >> Okay. So this is a development agreement that's following up on a recent MPU that was approved in April. Uh the Kenton commercial MPUD. Uh the purpose of this development agreement is to design, permit, and construct Kenton Road from

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Elim Road to overpass which is known as commonly known as the missing Kenton road segment as a two-lane road and intersection improvements with turn lanes and signalization at Elim Road and at overpass. And all this would be

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organized for cash reimbursement. And this is located in central El Paso County within connected city. There's your general location. The overall context of the county. This is the uh the northern point of the project. Uh

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basically the intersection of Elum and Kenton Road there. And then at the center of the circle now is the intersection of Canton and Overpass. That would be the beginning and end. And then of course the segment in between

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those uh those two intersections. This is it. Um in the overall uh grand scheme of things, the the missing segment um it varies in width from north to south. At the north end, I believe it

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reaches an approximate dimension of 142 feet in width and at the south end, it reaches an approximate dimension of about 110 ft. This is the intersection improvements that are being proposed in the development agreement with with as a

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signalized intersection at overpass. And this is the intersection improvements that are proposed at Kenton and Elum. both the two intersections and the missing the addition of the missing segment will add a lot of connectivity

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to the area. We've heard in the past uh from community and area residents that Kenton Road has been has been difficult navigating Kenton Road up north or southbound on the road. um this missing segment and these intersection improvements will provide area residents

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the ability to utilize Elum and move east west on Elum as well as go all the way down to overpass and utilize overpass to move uh out of in and out of the area. In terms of the typical cross-sections uh for the missing segment uh you're

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looking at one 32 foot landscape median, two 22 foot landscape areas uh between the travel lanes and then two 11 foot travel lanes and two 12T multi-use pads, one on each side of the missing of

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the missing segment. At the 142 dimension, at the 110 dimension, it's one 28 foot landscape median, two 8ft landscape areas, and two 11 foot travel lanes with a continuation of the two 12T multi-use paths.

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Uh, and these are the cross-sections that I just described. And uh the request is to find the proposed development agreement consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the board of county commissioners. >> Question we hear this before. We heard it like

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there was Barbara in here with one Clark in here with another for the same piece of road with different >> what's different. >> This is the development agreement that will actually uh construct the improvements. So what you remember is the Kenton road or

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Kenton commercial MPUD >> and then there was the Kensington MPUD uh and there was a whole discussion that took about two and a half years between Clark Hobby, Mr. Clark Hobby and Miss Barbai trying to make sure that somebody in that area was going to complete the

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Captain Road segment and it was Barbara's client that um stepped forward and volunteered to get the job done. Clark's projects, Mr. H Mr. Harvey's Mr. Havy's projects were back up for a different segment of the same

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room. >> Yeah. To to the north going north up to Tindle, I believe it was. >> But but but Reason it's confusing is even though it was for a different segment of the same road, they had a backup obligation to build this set.

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>> That's correct. >> So I understand the confusion. The other one that shows intersection is that produced in house. Is that produced in house? Uh, no.

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>> All right. Thank you, Gary. Thank you, Shar. Barbara will high 6327 Grand Boulevard Richie on behalf of my team who all abandoned me. I'm here to try to answer try to answer your questions but really the county is able to answer. You can see from that presentation and county

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engineers here this is really their project. They asked my client to to uh develop it construct itself to do the development agreement and we've got that done as well. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else here to speak on

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this? >> We have two individuals. I know I believe. >> Okay. Approval of PC DPC1 14. >> Favor. head down early. development

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pro. Uh just want to note that there were expartes for PC8, PC 10, PC1 that were returned to the court today. >> This is CU 2601 St. Joe Ranch LLC and BB Agro Tourism LLC.

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is a conditional re use request. Zoning's AC agricultural district future land use is AG agricultural. The purpose of this conditional use is to combine two previously approved conditional use permits CU7 and CU1901

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into one unified conditional use for an amusement park and AC agricultural district. The location of the site is approximately 840 ft east of the intersection of St. Joe Road and Belby Brothers Bull. Here's the general location of the site

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in the county. It's in the north market area in the northeast Pasco County area. Here's context map. You have St. Joe down there on souththeast and then brothers goes along the west side of the

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property. Here's an aerial shot of the property. You can see Snowcat Ridge there, the north portion screen again is down on the southeast portion and then tree hoppers is in the wooded area just again.

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Here's future land use map of the property is an AG zoning of the property AC. So the sub site consists of an amusement park across two properties which

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consists of that of 118 acres currently has two separate conditional use approvals for the museum park. CU 1217 was the first approval and that sort of the tree was used road course. Then in 2019, another conditional use

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was approved for Winter Play Park, Snow Cow Ridge, and a fall festival with a Halloween haunted house scream. Again, the requested conditional use is to consolidate those two approvals into a single streamline streamline conditional use for the amusement park.

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The applicant can clarify if needed, but there aren't any new uses being proposed that aren't already allowed within the current use. One proposed change has to do with the operating days. Currently, there is a very limited number of consecutive days

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that each of the two the two primary uses can operate. Another proposed change is the ability to operate those two uses uh on both properties concurrently. As currently approved, it can only be one use over the other. uh due to the

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holiday oriented nature of primary uses and warm weather that feels the potential overlap of these primary uses to very minimal. These are very limiting conditions restrict the ability to use the property to its full potential nearly half of the year. Uh the only use that would be

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allowed would be to treat hot. There are two other conditional uses approved for the property. One conditional use is for the cell tower that is on the northwest property. That conditional use is going to be unaffected and will remain as a standalone conditional use. The other

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approved conditional use is for a 2 cop alcohol and beverage permanent that is associated with an import. There is a related condition use 26 CU13 which is PC11 that is running with this application and that is to increase that

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alcohol privilege permit up to 84 COP in conjunction with the use that conditional use C Mr. Chairman Clark Hobby again, you have my address on on file have been sworn as

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I've indicated before. Um, I'll be brief. staff described this pretty well, but what we're really trying to do is take this very successful amusement park project that we have that has three distinct uses and allow them to be used at the same time, the properties,

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because there two distinct partals. And so, as an example, right now on the east side of the property, if we are having the Halloween event, so-called Screamageddon, we're not allowed to have a corn maze during the day for kids on

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the other side. And conversely, on the Snowcat Ridge side, our client wants to do a really cool Christmas light show in the zipline area, and they broadcast these lights up into the trees. It's got an oak canopy, and I've seen pictures and video. It's going to be really cool

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and the little kids will love it. But right now, we couldn't operate that because that'd be on the east side as opposed to the west side partial. So again, the reason this was done originally uh when Denise was doing zoning work was we weren't sure how the traffic patterns were working going to

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work at the time. But what happens is because of the nature of the site, the the amount of parking on site and the nature of the events because they have to be booked in advance really control the amount of traffic that we have on the site. So other than that, the same

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hours of operation, you know, days and that kind of things going on. It's a very successful thing and good for the community. We have about 75 full-time equivalent employees that work out there and uh about 7,000 hotel rooms were

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booked in Pasco County last year because of this this place. So, um other than that, we're we're happy to uh answer any questions you have. My client's here and he's been running the operation since it opened. Thank you. Thank you.

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>> Anybody else speak on this? The individuals that signed up are first Christ first Christ first Christ first Christ first Christ first Christ first Christ first Christ first Christ first Christ first and then Nancy >> are you doing 10 and 11 or just 10 >> and 10 is the combination Christy Zimmer address on record um if it's just 10 and

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that's the combination of the two I think that the combination of two is to preempt item 11 and I don't know what he read but he wasn't being honest about the same hours because the request is extending the hours to 1:30 so that in

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or 1:00 in the morning that's not the same um I'm I am opposed to them combining the two for purposes of what they're trying to do on number 11 so should I wait till number 11 to discuss that

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Okay. Hello. >> Hey, Wood. >> He said my name. Now I don't have to say it. Right. Nancy Hazel. >> Nancy Hazelwood 411. A nice place. Um, I think I'm with Christie. I think the

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things I need to go over are um going to be on 11 unless the uh light show. One of the things I am concerned about are lights in the northeast rural area plan. I believe our um FLU says

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something about lights and northeast rural. We are trying to keep dark skies but um let me wait till 11. Thank you. >> Okay. So we're talking about 10. >> You want to do I don't know if you need

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any rebuttal. >> I don't think there's anything to rebut on. That's what just what I was going to say. But I I would do want to clarify the record. I I don't think this statement was correct about the hours. It's the same as it's been on. It's 1:00 and we

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have an extra 60 minutes once the gates are closed at 1 for people to leave. >> I'm sorry. 30 minutes. I should say we're changing it to 60. >> Oh, it is my She is right. I apologize.

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staff is saying that they recommended we change it from 30 to 60 for people to leave for the existing >> Amy told you 11 >> I'm sorry >> for 11 >> um no he's going to do 11 but I did just want to make put on record Amy told planning development and economic growth

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the reason why the two applications have been processed separately was actually from our recommendation the applicant proposed one conditional use for everything and we thought it was more appropriate to have the alcohol as a standalone conditional use.

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>> You need to take action on 10. So we have a approval of a second further discussion for the motion in favor signify by saying I >> I like signing

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from this one as well for the record you see 11 the companion could use request by St. Joe Ranch LLC to be presented by staff Joseph Ring development 2613 St. Joe Ranch LLC and BB LLC.

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This is a conditional use request be wine and liquor for COP for on premises consumption only in conjunction with an amusement park in AC agricultural district zoning is AC agricultural future land

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use designation is AG agricultural um I just explained the request for COP and then the location of the property approximately 140 ft east of the intersection of St. road brothers boulevard. There's the general location market area

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in the norththeast county area. There's the context map of the site again. Where this differs from the aerial from the previous one is that that red outlined area is the area proposed for the alcohol consumption

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sales. Here's the future land use map AG. Here we have the zoning of the properties AC. So this conditional use will supersede in place approved conditional use permit CU939

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which was for C for two COP in conjunction with park use. So this would allow for the sale of alcohol beverages include beer, wine, and liquor for on purpose consumption in conjunction with peace. Sale of alcohol beverages shall be pered

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during the following hours. Monday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, no earlier than 8 a.m., 11 p.m. Fridays and Saturdays, no earlier than 8 a.m., no later than 1:00 a.m. Uh, this approval was subject to the

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provisions of the LDC section 4024J relication of special exception or conditional use approves and as Amy mentioned, that's one reason why we have this as separate conditional use. Alcoholic beverage laws can change. Uh so we did want to have it separate from

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the actual use park conditional use. Our recommendation is recommend approvals of the board of county commissioners request conditions set forth under the recommend recommended condition session. >> Mr. Chairman Clark again I'll be very

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brief on this one. We've had alcohol permits out there and been operating for 12 years. We have not had an alcohol-related driving fence off of the site. Um, in all of that time, we've had a lot of people there. And the reason why is our client does a very good job

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policing alcohol on site because there are liability issues. And so, that's a very serious thing to our client. The reason for the request is that the distributors are coming to us and a great deal of what people probably think are beer products that are sold at

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7-Eleven and stuff like that now have liquor in them. It's a lot of the stuff that you see when you're going in to pick up a 12-pack or whatever and you look in there, a lot of them have liquor now. So, it requires the 4 COP. This isn't unique to our area. The Florida

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Cracker Kitchen that opened up in St. Joe on St. Joe Road, a couple of miles down the road, sells liquor in there as well where beer and wine as does Disney World at this point. So, the time is has changed on that front and I'm happy to listen to our neighbors. I'll respond.

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>> The hours changed for the sales bill. >> I don't think they were in the original. He my client saying he does not believe that they changed from the original. >> Thank you. They have to speak

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and the reason they wanted it all to be combined was so they could have alcohol across both parcels. I respectfully request that Christie, you have address on record. I respectfully request that this conditional use application PTE 26 through

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uh- CU13 be denied or continued until additional evidence is provided demonstrating compliance with the county's approval standards. This request is not simply a continuation of an existing approval. that represents a significant intensification of the current alcohol authorization by

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expanding from a 2 cop beer and wine permit to a full COP for liquor license and extending alcohol sales throughout a large 118 acre amusement and entertainment complex. First, the applicant has not

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demonstrated compatibility with the rural and architectural character of this area. The property is located within the northeast Pasco rural area and carries an agricultural future land use designation. While recreational uses may be permitted, the burden remains on the applicant to demonstrate that full

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liquor sales and late night operations are compatible with the surrounding agriculture and residential areas. The staff report contains little analysis supporting that conclusion. Second, the applicant has not provided sufficient evidence addressing the public health,

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safety, and welfare impacts associated with the expanded alcohol consumption and late night operations. The proposed hours would would allow alcohol sales until 11:00 p.m. on weekdays at 1:00 a.m. on weekends. Rural roadways such as the St. Joe Road and Bellamy Brothers

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present unique safety concerns and the record contains no alcoholrelated public safety analysis. Third, environmental review appears incomplete. The staff report acknowledges that the detailed wildlife surveys and wetland delineation information are still required. Until

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those studies are completed and the and evaluated, the board does not possess all the information necessary to fully assess impacts associated with the intensified use of this property. Fourth, the fourth, the transportation mitigation identified by the county staff has not been completed. The

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traffic review determination that a left lane left turn lane is required on St. Joe Road with completion anticipated in fall of 2027. Approval of an intensified alcohol-related use before required transportation improvements are in place is premature.

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Finally, the applicant already possesses an approved alcohol permit for beer and wine sales associated with the amusement park. The record does not demonstrate why the existing authorization is inadequate or why expanded liquor sales are necessary. The burden approved rest

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with the applicant and I do not believe that the burden has been met. A mixture of alcohol and late night hours does not create a familyfriendly environment. Nothing good ever happens after midnight. For these reasons, I respectfully request the denial of the

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application or at a minimum continuence until the outstanding environmental transportation and compatibility issues have been fully addressed. Thank you for your consideration. Nancy Hazeswood 34110 a nice place. Um I I was noticing that Bush Gardens who

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serves beer they close up at 8:00 and if you take a look at Disney World and all those other places >> so Bush Gardens not for all Cream they stay much later for that >> or just one night a year. No, no, for

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the whole season it's usually >> in spring. >> What time does it stay open till midnight? >> Okay. And then there's Disney World and some of the others. Do they stay open later? My information said no.

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>> Stay open later. So, not that late. Maybe 11 o'clock. >> I was just concerned about the time and them serving alcohol. I'm not sure it's such a good thing to do on there. Um I had appreciate your consideration on

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what um Christie said about this that maybe more is not the best thing in the world for this area. And um that said, I did notice where they've got the ability to put up illuminated signs on

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St. Joe Road. And if we check and they're screwing up our skies in northeast world, does that mean we get to call code enforcement on them? >> Thank you. >> You need to revote. I have a question. >> Okay. >> For your client.

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>> Okay. Um, do you know if Uber and Lifts operate in this area of account? I mean, if you had somebody that was I realize that try to monitor it, but if you did have somebody that was too

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intoxicated to drive, I don't think we have taxi service. >> I'm going to have my client speak to it, but Ben Nagenast who operates it. We have an extensive program that works with ride share, but he can describe give your name, address, and whether you've been sworn. >> My name is Benjamin Nagenghast. Uh my

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address is 2739 St. show road date city Florida and I have been sworn in. Uh we have a a policy that was written up by an attorney when we first started uh this process and it's in accordance with the Florida DVPR regulations in order

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for us to be I believe it's um um certified as safe serve. There's a certification process an additional higher bar for those who serve alcohol. So our internal procedure is that if an individual is deemed intoxicated and they intend to drive home, they do not

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have a ride, uh then we pay for a ride share service and we are served by ride share where we are. So we pay for them to get a ride home and the organization the company pays for that and we have an entire process. >> Correct. >> And they do operate.

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>> Correct. >> Okay. I I I don't know if about rural Pasco County whether that fact they do operate there. That's why I was asking a question. >> Well, it's it's um we we get Uber Eats and these types of things all the time. So, >> okay, that was my question.

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>> I'll be very brief that the staff report in and of itself is confident, substantial evidence and support of the application. So I don't have to further rebut what you said about the traffic generation, but I think everyone knows that the difference between selling

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selling beer and liquor does not generate any more traffic. It's not an it goes. That's not what generates traffic. We run a safe facility. It's been very successful. And if staff can put the map up that I have there, you'll see that we have the written we have all

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of those neighbors have sent letters of no objection to what we're doing. So, we're doing something right being good neighbors. Thank you. >> Thank you. Have a motion. >> Yeah, I think it's pretty well established that um you think parks like

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Bush Gardens operate out screen and Universal that operates uh Halloween nights. They they stay open to similar hours and they serve um liquor as well as a beer of wine and they seem to be doing just fine

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approval of the item. >> Second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I close like sign. That's okay. All right, Amy Tol, Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. The

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item before you is PTE26-CO3. It's a conditional use request. Uh, it's located in an AR agricultural residential district and it's in a residential six or six residential six dwelling unit for gross acre future land

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use. The request is to uh construct a 129 foot above ground level close mount monopole in accordance with the LDC section 1,2 wireless communication facilities. It is located on the west

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side of Lane Lanier Road approximately 1,300 ft south of Chanse Road. So couple of findings of fact. On July 29th, 2025, the applicant held a neighborhood meeting in accordance with section uh 305 of the code. As a result

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of that neighborhood meeting, the original proposal was to uh construct 155 foot tower, which included a 150 foot tower with a 5-ft uh lightning rod. As a result of that meeting, they actually re uh voluntarily reduced the

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tower height. So the tower height is now uh being proposed at 129 ft with 125 ft tower and a 4ft lightning rod. They are also uh reducing the collocation from 3 to2. The primary uh service provider for

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this tower is going to be Verizon. Um and they actually uh included an enhanced buffering that will also uh establish slash pines on there as well. So in that additional buffing standard, we worked with the arborist to determine

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what the best type of uh tree would be in that area. Uh the arbor pine was selected and within about 30 years it will be mature. I do have some visuals to show you what that would look like. Um this will access to the uh wireless communication facility. Compound lease

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areas through a 30- foot wide non-exclusive easement. It will be on a 100 by 100 fenced in compound lease area which is equivalent to uh 10,000 square feet and it will be located off of Laneia Road which is a countymaintained

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residential roadway. This aeronautical study that was conducted revealed that the structure does not exceed or obstruct structures and would not be a hazard to the air navigation. And then pursuant to review of public use airports in the area, the proposed tower

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does not appear to impact the Zephr Hills Municipal Airport, which is the the nearest airport, which is over five nautical miles east of subject site. Um, as previously stated, uh, the Verizon is going to be your anchor tenant and the collocation is going to be a minimum of two additional communication providers.

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Here's your general location in the South Market area and urban expansion area. The subject site being uh, the aerial imagery. It is located north of the Two Rivers MPU.

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The existing zoning is AR agricultural residential district. The existing future land use is res 6 residential six dwelling units per gross acre. Here's a context map just to show where the lease area is going to be located

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within the subject site as well as its proximity to Two Rivers and beauty. Here's a a coverage map of what the current coverage would show and you can see where the subject site is proposed. And with the new tower, you're going to

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have a significant increase in coverage capacity in this area. This is what the 20 129 ft mount would um be proposed as. As you can see on the left, there are three um arrays with the

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Verizon being at the the main array. So, as previously stated, um they will be subject to a type A buffer. However, this was their original site plan or landscaping plan. Um, as a result of the neighborhood meeting, they did offer an

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enhanced landscaping plan um with a double row of landscaping in the slash pines to the southwest and north of the compound. So, this is going to be your map key for the photo simulization or sim photos simulization, excuse me. Um, there are

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six locations that I will show you. So the first location is going to be your view looking east from Bohan Road. This is your existing view. This is the uh visual with the vertical br or vertical tower of 125 monopole

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being 129 ft with the top of the lightning rod. So this is just at your proposed landscaping initial landscaping. Once the trees are matured within the the 30-year time frame, um this is what the landscaping is projected to look

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like. So, photo simulization view two looking southwest from Linear Road. Um as you can see, it's pretty open. And then you'll have the 125 ft plumbable tower with the existing lands or with the

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initial landscaping and then landscaping aperture. View three is going to be looking from southwest from Laneia Road 125 ft monopole tower with initial landscaping

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and mature landscaping. View four looking northwest from Laneia Road. This is existing. This would be the proposed landscaping um with the initial landscaping >> and what trees.

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>> Yeah. And I can have the applicant speak to that, but um I'm I'm not sure what the status of those oak trees. It could be just proposed based on the age and if it's a viable oak tree depending on what the process is.

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This is what it would look like at a mature view five looking west from Laneia Road. This is the proposed landscaping and the entryway. Matured landscaping and entryway

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and view six looking from uh north from north of Kercher Drive. This is initially so the purpose of us uh having this presentation because we did receive opposition letters of opposition emailed to us. Um unfortunately appears nobody showed up today but that is the general

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location of where the opposition um was captured from. So we had them go out just to do a simulation of what that would look like there. So, north of Kercher Drive, proposed landscaping at planning and then the maturity.

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And with that, we recommend approval and the applicants can speak to the tree. >> One quick question. Um, so you mentioned that it was amended from um three users on the tower to two, >> correct? >> Uh, but you show on the plans there was

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three antenna arrays. >> Sure. So, there's three total. One of them is Verizon. So previously it would have been four total. So Verizon as your anchor tenant with three additional. Correct. So as a result of the reduction of the tower height, they reduced that

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anchor times. >> Thanks. >> Hey, good evening. Now feel like I've run a marathon here with you guys. Um James Johnston Lutzen Bowen 300 South Orange Avenue um in Orlando uh for the

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applicant. And just to quickly answer your question on the oak trees, those trees aren't being removed. I think that was done so you could see through to the compound from that same view. So they you know they they magically took them out so you could then see the compound

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>> just for purposes. for purposes. So the interior couldn't move. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Right. >> But but that explains why it disappears in the, you know, proposed views. But

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again, I mean, we're here to answer any questions. Uh I also have Bill Compton with Verizon Wireless and Dave Talby with Lee Palerty. Um and um we appreciate staff's hard work on this and working with staff. We think we've worked hard with the neighbors to try to

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address some of their concerns. And so we're just uh hoping to get a recommendation of approval. And again, here to answer any questions and to be clear, the piece of the parcel that you control does not have any existing heritage or anything like that. >> Correct. It does.

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>> Thanks. Anybody else speak on this one? >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to compliment both the applicant and staff on this one because this could have been a packed ordering. I mean,

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>> it was >> well, I mean, no, I mean, this application could have resulted in a packed ordering based on the initial comments they got. I mean from the neighborhood meeting and so the fact that it's now empty is an indication that they did a good job of addressing

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some of the concerns British raised. So >> yeah, we appreciate that. >> So the advocating staff of the concerns, although nobody wants them, we need cell phone towers just like we probably need data centers. Well, the good news is things are going

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to start moving to satellite and these are going to be dinosaurs that we're not going to need anymore. >> Elon's going to start needing data centers to to space anyway. So, >> all these guys, >> and apparently people like cells better than data centers, >> right?

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Like how times have changed. >> Any further motion? Make a motion to approve. Do we have a second? >> Yes. >> I think somebody in favor signify by saying I

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>> I motion to Mr. Chair. >> Here we are.