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To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, madam cler. Can we have a roll call, please? >> Jamie Gerard

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>> here. [clears throat] >> Christopher P >> here. >> John Moody >> here. >> Matthew Muns. Derek Wletz >> here. >> Liam Divine >> here. >> Chairman Charles Gray >> here. And proof of publication.

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>> The items are advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on July 8th, 2026 or by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. >> All right. And see, I think we have some

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minutes for approval. Motion to approve the minutes from the March 5th, April 9th, and April 16th meetings and the March 19th workshop. >> Second. >> Have a motion and a second to approval of the minutes. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying

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I. >> I. >> Opposed? Like sign? >> Okay. Motion carries. [clears throat] Okay. Okay. So, I'd like to welcome everybody today. So, we're the planning commission. We're appointed by the county commissioners and we meet twice a month. We serve as a local planning

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agency and we hold public hearings and transmit to the board of county commissioners our recommendations on comprehensive plan amendments, land development code amendments, resonings and conditional use requests. Planning Commission is the final decision making

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body for special exceptions, certain appeals, variance requests, certain alternative standard requests. However, final decisions may be appealed to the board of county commissioners. If anyone is in opposition to any land development code amendment, resoning planning

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commission, uh, where the planning commission transmits a recommendation to the board of county commissioners, it would be important for you to attend the appropriate board of county commission meeting. For those of you not familiar with the format of our meetings, there three segments generally. Uh

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continuences, it's been our custom to approve a request for a continuence from the staff or the applicant unless they're unusual circumstances. Uh consent items, those are items that we've not heard any objections uh for an

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application from either the staff or the public. Those items will go through one at a time. Uh and there's anything that we read off that's on consent that you'd like to have discussed today, raise your hand. We'll pull it from consent and put it on the regular items. And the regular

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items are the are the items that we will fully vet today. There'll be somebody here to make a presentation and the audience will have an opportunity to ask questions if need be. Um [clears throat] the applicants will have five minutes for to make their

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presentation unless they've requested extra time in 24 hours prior to this meeting in writing. And uh people in the audience if they have comments or concerns they'll have each of them each person can have three minutes to state their concerns and then advocate will

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come back up and respond to those questions. Um, we also have time for public comment. And so before we start the regular meeting, [clears throat]

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we'll um ask if anybody is here for something to speak on something that's not on today's agenda. Uh before we before we do that though, if any if you're here and you have a telephone with you, please put it on the silent position or any device that makes

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noise. >> [clears throat] >> So, uh, before we start, is there anybody here that's to speak on an item that's not on today's agenda? >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to know that we have nobody signed up for general public

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comment. We also have online today. >> Okay. Thank you. So, if there's anybody that thinks they may want to speak today, I'd like to [clears throat] for you to stand and raise your right hand and be sworn >> even if you haven't signed up.

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>> Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give the truth? So, help you God. >> I think everybody said yes. Okay. So, and then if you're going to come up and speak, we're going to ask you to give your name and your address and what

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what you want to speak about. So, I think we're ready to start. >> Good afternoon, planning commission members. Gianna German, planning, development, and economic growth. Item PC5 is PDE 267856, a conditional use request in the name of Dennis Anori.

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Excuse me if I messed that one up there. Cfield Road residential treatment care and facility for the development of an assisted living facility in an AR agricultural residential district in the North Market area of Pasco County located west of Crawfield Road approximately 820 ft north of Bowman

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Road containing approximately 2.5 acres and this is coming with the request to continue the item to August 20th 2026 at 1:30 p.m. or as soon thereafter a same may be heard Newport Richie. >> That's the only item we have on continuance. Is the applicant present?

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Is the applicant present? Is anyone here to object? >> Mr. Chair, move to continue PC 5 uh to August 20th, Newport Richie. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Terry, was there anything you wanted to add to this?

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>> Okay. Um, [clears throat] so I have a motion and a second on PC5 for continuance. Any further discussion? If not, then all in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Oppos like sign.

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>> Okay. Motion carries. >> Item PC6 is PD 267934, a zoning amendment in the name of the Feed Co. Grace Hay Company Incorporated for a change in zoning from AR agricultural residential district to a C2 general commercial district located in West

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Pasco West Central Pasco County on the north side of State Road 52 approximately 600 ft east of the intersection of State Road 52 and Chalkaw Trail containing approximately 1.26 acres and this is coming with the recommendation of approval to the board of county commissioners of the proposed

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zoning request. >> Okay. Is the applicant present? All right. Is there anyone here to object? >> Mr. Chair, I have a conflict on that. So, if it's going to stay on consent, I'll ask you guys to vote on that separately. >> Okay.

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So, we have a conflict on uh PC6, Mr. [clears throat] Moody. So, he's going to abstain from voting. Um so, let's vote on that independently. Do I have a motion to approve consent? >> Second. We have a motion and a second.

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Any further discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying I. I. >> Oppos like sign. >> Okay. Item PC7 is PD 267914, a zoning amendment in the name of 727026 Little Road, Roosevelt Commonland

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Commons LLC for a change in zoning from R4 Highdensity Residential District, C1 Neighborhood Commercial District and AC agricultural district to a C2 general commercial district located in West Pasco County located at the northeast

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corner of the intersection of Little Road and Dubulus Road containing approximately 2.3 acres. And this is coming with the recommendation of approval to the board of county commissioners of the proposed resoning request. >> All right, the applicant present. >> Anyone here to object?

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All right, see no objections. Item PC8 is PDE 267911, a zoning amendment in the name of HCM Hospitality LLC, Harbor Point at Port Richie MPUD master plan unit development for reszoning requests from C2 general

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commercial district and MF1 multiple family medium density district to an MPD master plan unit development district to allow for the conversion of 156 hotel rooms into the development of 122 multif family [clears throat] apartment units and associated infrastructure in west central Central Pasco County located

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east of US 19 approximately 2 miles from the intersection of US19 and State Road 52 containing approximately 4.54 acres. And this item was initially coming with the request to approve. However, the applicant has now requested that the item be continued to August 20th, 2026

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at 1:30 p.m. meeting or as soon thereafter same may be heard in Newport Richie. >> So you're taking it off consent and asking for a continuence. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. And out of abundance of caution, I will abstain from that vote because I'm

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on that project, too. Okay. Note, please note uh and for the record that Mr. Moody is abstaining from PC8 [clears throat and cough] and the applicant is present. >> She is available online.

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>> Okay. Is anyone here to object? I don't see any objections. Okay. So, do I have a motion to continue? Motion to continue PCA to what was it? August 20th. >> Yes sir. August 20th. >> Second.

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>> We have a motion and we have a second. Further discussion of the motion. If not, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Oppos like sign. >> Okay. >> Item PC9 is PD26 2117. It's a variance

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request in the name of Lee Florida LLC to reduce the 75- ft required side setback to 15 ft in a C3 commercial light manufacturing district in southwest Pasco County located on the east side of Gun Highway north of the Pasco Hillsboro County line

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approximately 98 miles south of the intersection of Inner Lake Road and Gun Highway containing approximately 0.58 acres and this is coming with the recommendation of approval of the proposed variance with conditions as set forth under the recommending conditions section to authorize the chairman to

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execute the one original variance order provided by provided to direct board records to distribute as set forth under the distribution section below. >> All right, [clears throat and cough] the applicant present. Anyone here to object?

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>> Okay, so that's the last one on consent. >> Yes, sir. >> So we have two left on consent. Is that right? Move to approve a consent agenda of PC6 and PC9. >> PC7. >> Oh, I'm sorry. PC7. Yes, we already did

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PC7. PC7, PC9. >> Okay. So, we have a motion to approve consent. >> And we have a second on PC7 and PC9. [clears throat] Further discussion of either one of those.

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>> If not, I'll signify by saying I I would like sign. Okay. >> Item P10. This is the last item we have on the agenda today. It's PD267926. A zoning amendment in the name of Landmark LLC Kitten Trail Farms for a

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change in zoning from an AC agricultural district to an AR agricultural residential district in northwest Pasco County on the south side of Kitten Trail approximately 1 mile east of the intersection of Kitten Trail and Hicks Road containing approximately 14.57 acres. And this is coming with a

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recommendation of denial to the board of county commissioners of the proposed resoning request to be presented by staff. >> P10 says >> which one is this? >> I think it's P10. >> P10.

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It says recommendation of approval >> on the memo. You just checking to see if I'm paying attention. >> Approval. Yeah. >> Yeah, we're recommending approval. >> See if we're all paying attention. >> Yeah. >> It says it in the memo and it also says it on the agenda.

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>> Denial or approval. >> Approval. >> Yeah, it's re We're recommending approval on this one. >> All right. >> Okay. I think you just gave the applicant a heart attack. [laughter] >> All right. Fun stuff. Uh Amy Tall Planning, Development, and Economic

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Growth. So item P10 is PTE 26-7926. It's a zoning amendment uh requesting a change from AC agricultural district to an AR agricultural residential district. As previously stated, this is a Uklitian resoning. Um the purpose of the

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presentation was we did have some letters of opposition on this. So we'll go through a brief presentation. Um so they are requesting a change to AR the future land use is res three residential three dwelling units per gross acre. They are proposing to reszone to allow

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for a split um of the subject site to 2 and 1/2 acre lots. Um it is located on the south side of Kitten Trail approximately 1 mile east of the intersection of Kitten Trail and Hicks Road. This is the county location map. It is in the North Market area.

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Here's the aerial view of the subject site. It is approximately 14 acres. Here's a context map showing the area and what's in context of the subject site. Future land use is residential three

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dwelling units per gross acre. The existing zoning district of AC agricultural district and some of the findings of fact. So the subject site does is currently vacant. Um, it used to operate as a blueberry farm on 14.57 acres. Access to the

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property is from Kitten Trail, which is a countymaintained collector roadway with approximately 50 ft of rideway. There is a capital improvement project on that trail um to construct a 5-ft sidewalk that's currently uh past the design phase and working through um the

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construction phase. Uh the 5-ft sidewalk is going to be from Kitty Giddy Up Lane to Hicks Road. Um and the applicant has volunteered to record a deed restriction. So we are we worked with the applicant and the district commissioner on this item. Uh there is a

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voluntary deed restriction to address the live local since this is going to an agricultural zoning district and then also limit the size of the lots to 2 and a half acres. And with that we recommend approval of the proposed resoning. And we can answer any questions you might have. >> Okay. Any questions?

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>> Absolutely. >> Um can you go back? You said the purpose [clears throat] was to split the parent parcel. Are we talking about just splitting this into two lots or it will be platted into however many 2 and

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1/2 acre lots >> sure put on it. >> Right. So the original intent was just for two lots but the applicant would like the ability to be able to split it into more later on. So right now the uh narrative is for two lots but they want

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to just have that flexibility. >> Deep restriction would limit it to two and a half. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Okay. Any other questions for Amy? >> Not for Amy or >> I do have an answer to that.

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>> Well then I'll ask my question to you. Is the applicant proposing a sight built home or mobile homes? >> Right. So um I did ask that inquire with the applicant. she can come up and confirm if need be, but right now they are unaware of doing either or. Um they just want to be able to split the

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property. So that's going to be handled by whoever ends up obtaining the property. >> So is the intent to also have those homes with ADU units. >> Yes. Well, let me just say they did not want to restrict ADUs. So there is an opportunity for ADUs to

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occur in this plat in this scenario. Yes. But our ADU ordinance does not allow for ADUs to be mobile home. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Then my next question would be is did the applicant or staff think about having it as an ER2 district which

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requires a 2 and 1/2 acre lot and does not allow commercial farming? >> Sure. So >> then you would not also need that deed restriction. At the initial review of the application, ER was not one of the zoning districts that we evaluated just

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because it wasn't in the immediate proximity. Um, but as we did discuss, there are ER zoning districts about 3 thou 3,000 ft away. Um, so if the board or commission is amendable to something like that, we could take a look and see if that would make a little bit more

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sense. >> Okay. Question on the ADUs. Okay. >> So, we don't allow mobiles as ADUs, but is this a case where one could have a principal structure that's a mobile and then an ADU which is site built >> possibly.

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>> Yeah. So, the mobile homes are permitted in the AR district as long as the ADU would come in under the,200 square ft then yes. >> Are mobile permitted in ER? >> In ER? No. >> No.

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But if they want ADUs, >> you couldn't have a you couldn't have a mobile home. So that that's why my first question was, is the applicant proposing a sightuilt home or they proposing a mobile home? >> Yeah, right now they don't have an answer to that. >> David, does it HB399

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the one that talks about mobile and does thatffect you? >> Um well I think yes and no. So I mean this district zoning district allows mobiles anyway. So

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it I mean the the impact of that bill is it's allowing mobiles in zoning districts that wouldn't otherwise allow mobile. >> So >> so in theory could the

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>> if suggestion of ER2 was taken would then that allow them to put a mobile even though it was ER2. >> Yes. And if it were R4, would that happen? >> It allows it in any single family as a district. >> There you go.

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>> Yeah. So ER2 would only >> unless there's a private E restriction that prevents it. >> Okay, I got you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Anything else? Right. Well, then to that effect, then you you could go ER2 and not require a deed restriction.

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>> Well, yeah, that's the only thing that would help is eliminating the one deed restriction, but >> and then the following. >> Yeah, but ER2 would still enable mobile homes with the unless >> Exactly. Right. So, deed restriction, deed restriction regardless.

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>> Would our prohibition on mobile homes as ADU still be valid? ADUs are in my opinion are not subject to the House Bill 39 pro requirement because >> they're an accessory structure.

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>> The 399 requirement applies to the principal structure. >> All right. Well, the like to speak or would you like to reserve your time? I think the people that rose to speak uh and were sworn in was this the top this

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the one you're interested in. If so, raise your hand. >> I'm sorry. >> Okay. >> I I couldn't hear you too well. Um I'm part of >> trying to get a gauge of the people that did want to speak if they're here for this particular one. >> So, you might want to reserve some time

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in case you need to respond, >> okay, >> to their questions. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Well, good afternoon. I'm Lisa Tanovich. with Landmark. And the goal with this project is basically everything around it is AR. Everything, almost everything.

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This is one section of AC that's still sitting there. Um, as of right now, only one house can go on the entire property. There is no way to I mean, right across the the road, I have four driveways to

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four different 2 and 1/2 acre lots. So I'm just trying to basically maximize the potential for the property so that we can you know create some estatesiz lots which is why I called it kitten trails you know farms because farms are you know they're not small you know to

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have some substantial land so that people could have you know two three four acres and whatnot and up they had proposed 2 and 1/2 acres totally fine with that um I'm not trying to go in there and do anything you know on a grand scale just wanted to create some

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estateized lots. As far as um whether it be single family or manufactured home, I'm taking this one step at a time. So, my first goal was to split it once because based on my meeting, you know, you're allowed to go ahead and do that once and then speak with the county

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about some potential ideas to come back and split it again. to maybe split um uh three or four acres over here on the far side, leave the rest of the majority of the property, which then has the ability to be split, you know, two or three more times for some other estate sized lots.

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So, that's kind of where I'm starting with this. Um if I mean, if somebody came along and they wanted to buy the whole thing, then it's a moot point, but I'm trying to just kind of, you know, I buy and sell land as a living. I've been in real estate for 20 years. So, I'm

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just trying to maximize the potential for the property, but keep it in line with everything that's around it, the rural character that's in the area, you know, not come in and do something that's out of character for what is next door and what's all around. >> Okay.

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>> Would you be immunable to a deed restriction that limits the construction of mobile home? >> I don't want to confine it and restrict it that much. I don't I don't know if Pasco County um has restrictions on the age of the home. I know other counties

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they have a a a year per se, you know, a mobile homes have to be at least 5 years, you know, newer. Um if there's something like that, I could be immenable to. I I don't want to restrict it all together just because affordable housing is such an issue right now. I I

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I don't have a plan to go in there and put a bunch of mobile homes, but I don't want to restrict the potential if I sell it and somebody wants to build a mobile home, but they can't because that's now they have to build a sightuilt home and it's double. >> Okay. All right. Anybody else have

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anything? If not, I'd like to hear the people that came to that may have questions and then we can get those concerns answered to see if their one of their concerns is about mobile homes. So,

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>> yeah. Is there a a restriction or or a provision in Pasco County where you can say, "All right, the mobile home has to be, you know, a at least five years or newer." >> In theory, that could be written into a deed restriction. I guess David could probably speak to that better than I

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could, but >> yes, but I think it'd be somewhat difficult for us to >> enforce proper. >> Yeah. >> Then the other thing is is there's no uklidian zoning, >> right? >> Okay. There's no time limit on how long

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it will take to build out the property and sell the lots. So a you could put a newer mobile home on a lot today and 15 years from now. >> That'll be an old mobile home. >> Right.

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>> Right. When you go to put the next one on. >> Okay. Well, let's see what the questions are from the audience and then maybe you'll come back up and >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you very much. So, who would like to come up first?

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>> You're the closest. They just need your name and address, please. Anybody else that's going to speak here? You're welcome to come sit up closer to the front. >> Um, my name is Janelle Kondogado. I live at 8404 Mil Creek Lane in Hudson's. >> Okay.

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>> Um, I had some questions uh regarding like will this de I assume this development was going to be attaching to our water system like what studies will be done to evaluate the impact and the longevity of our aquifers. >> Are you on central water?

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Uh, well, I'm renting, but I'm concerned about my my community as a whole. >> Well, I I know, but I'm just asking you if you're on central water. Are you on a well? >> Um, I'm on central water. >> Okay. I don't think they have central water out there. >> Yeah, but what about the people who do

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live >> well >> attached to those wells? >> Hold on, Mr. County Attorney. Isn't there a requirement that if you're in res 3 or higher, you need to connect to public utilities? in the comp plan >> I believe. So, but I mean I don't know

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if the I mean there triggers as to when that happened three flu it's not >> okay that's your main concern. I have other concerns. >> Res 3, you have to connect. >> Um I'm considering I'm concerned about what community outreach has been done to

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better understand how this will development will alter the community. Um as well as like when we're understanding that not everyone can attend a meeting in the middle of the day, like how are how are we reaching out to the to those who are going to be impacted? >> We send letters out to people that's

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around the property. >> You send letters out. >> Mhm. >> Okay. I feel like I've I've heard many communities stand up and express displeasure with how Pasco is changing. Um, is there anything that we can say or

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do to have you reflect the interests of your con constituents? >> Well, one, we're not elected officials. We're appointed. >> Okay. Well, is there anything that we can say to get the county commissioner to better reflect the >> um interest of their commit

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constituents? Well, although I haven't heard the rest of the testimony in this case, I'll give you an idea where I'm preliminarily thinking, and that is that there's another case not too far from this one, substantially

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larger piece of property that's asking for 800 houses. I think in fact, it's right across the street. Um, these people are willing to deed restrict this to 2 and a half acre lots and I appreciate the applicants

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willingness to preserve the rural character of the Kitten Trail area. >> Okay. Do we do we understand the environmental impact of developing 14 acres of land? >> When an applicant submits an application

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for a subdivision in this county, >> the first saying that one of the first things they have to do is submit a listed species survey to determine if there are any listed or protected wildlife species on the property. >> And if there are, they're required to

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get all of the require the permits necessary under Florida law and US law to either preserve and or relocate those animals. There is extensive storm water drainage studies required.

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They'll have to do an analysis on their utility demand. As I pointed out, this is in the res 3 future land use category and they'll be required to connect to the public utility system at their own expense. We have a tree ordinance that this board

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recommended passing a few months ago that now makes the penalty for cutting down a a tree larger than 10 inches in diameter in Pasco County $75 an inch. That's up from $50 an inch. That's a 50% more

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cost of mitigation. Also, in a residential development like this, that ordinance that we recommended approval for unanimously will require that they preserve at least 20% of all of the trees greater than 10 in in diameter, which is a substantial improvement from

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the ordinance we had in place before that didn't require the preservation of any trees. >> Um, are you aware that most animals don't survive relocation, particularly gopher tortoises? >> Do you have any evidence of that fact? Um, >> are you a registered gopher tortoise

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agent? >> Um, I'm I'm sure I can find some resources if you'd like me to come to the next meeting. >> You want to come up and give expert testimony? You need to be a qualified expert. >> Okay, I will be sure to do some research on that. I'm a concerned concerned member of the community. >> Understand your concern, but you can't

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come up and give expert testimony if you're not a qualified. >> Okay, then I apologize. Um, so are are we Your three minutes is up. I'm sorry. >> Thank you for Thank you for your time. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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[clears throat] >> Kenneth Howard. Address is 11117 Kitten Trail. I live straight across the street from this property. Uh I talked to several of the uh residents surrounding it. So I got some information from them what goes on around there, what the property does. Um

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the previous owner, uh Scott, I believe his name was, he um had goats on the property all all the time. He uh wanted to build on that property at one time. His parents did, but the property would not perk for septic. So, it leaves a

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question to me, what are they going to do about septic? And as far as the water goes, it could only be a well because we do not have uh county water or sewer on Kitten Trail. We uh it also has approximately 3/4 of

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an acre of a sink hole that's open to the aquifer. I know it's open to the aquifer cuz it's full of water all the time. We've had alligators come up out of that hole and actually walked across the street into my property. The uh

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there's no way they could get there other than through the aquifer system. this property I with the sign on the front because they said they're going to resell as advertising for potential uh res three which is as you know one house

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per acre buildable acre that will give them the potential for 40 plus houses in the back in the future. This is something we can't sustain on Kitten Trail anymore. We've been through this with the Denton Avenue project. Kitten Trail is busier than what it needs to be

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now. I uh don't think this should be allowed unless we have absolute restriction to a 2 and 1/2 acre track, 5 acre tracks or whatever we could get to uh keep the minimal of the uh building

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down to a a reasonable living standard. >> Well, you you understand what the applicant said that Can you hear me? The applicant said when they she first

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came up that u they're they're restricting anything there to at least 2 and 1/2 acres. It has to be a 2 and 12 acre track. They can't they can't cut it up into 40 lots because only 14 acres. >> Well, they have a sign up front res

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three current um >> future land use. Yeah, current for future [snorts] for res 3. So I mean that potential in the future. So >> that's the existing future land use. They're not asking to change that here

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today, >> but they can in the future. Correct. >> That's what it already is right now. >> Huh? >> There are they that's what it is already right now. They don't have to ask for that. what they're asking to do actually is going to restrict it to a large to

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larger tracks so they won't, you know, impede the neighborhood and >> Okay. What what will they do about the sinkhole? >> Well, that's that'll be their problem. I mean, >> well, it sort of leads to the rest of us. I mean, >> we don't we don't even know if there is

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a sinkhole there. We know what you said, >> but again, you know, we haven't had an expert come up and say anything about a sinkhole. Can I address that? Yeah. Go ahead, John. >> So, years ago, I had the pleasure of being appointed to

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a committee to develop a ordinance, which I'm pretty proud of. Um, and we have a geologic hazards ordinance, a geohhazards section of our land development code that makes the

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developer first investigate the underground conditions and determine whether or not there's potential for sink holes. We also have a a storm water ordinance that prohibits the discharge

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of storm water into sink holes with a direct connection into the Florida aquifer. And if there is a direct connection from that um sinkhole into a Florida aquifer, that will also make it our highest categoriz categoriz category of wetlands

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and will achieve the highest protection that our county requires. if that's there. >> So, how do we police this? >> That's what our county, that's what Patrick's department over here does, the planning, development, and econom

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economic growth department. The applicant [clears throat] will be required to submit an application, preliminary development plan application for a subdivision. They'll be required to present a geotechnical report and analysis to determine whether or not there's the potential for sink holes. As

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I explained earlier, they'll also have to do a listed species survey to determine if there's the presence of presence of gopher tortoises or the Florida alligator and then whether or not those species need to be relocated or can remain on the property

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or if there'll be areas where they can't build because of the presence of that species. They'll also have to get permits from the Southwest Florida Water Management District, which their rules just changed on December 28th of last year. which now requires water quality treatment on the

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order of four times more than what we've been doing for the last three decades. So, they've got I'll just say that before they develop that property, they've got a tough road to hoe. They're going to have to pay a lot of engineers and scientists and they're going to develop a lot of plans and then those

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are going to be highly scrutinized by Mr. daughter's department over here before they're going to be authorized to remove a single tree or a single blade of grass from that property. >> So, at this point, they're just asking them to reduce it to a 2 and a half acre traction. >> Yes. >> Correct.

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>> So, just because they reszone it and split the lots doesn't mean they can necessarily build on all those lots. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you for coming. >> Chris, do you have anything to add? >> No, I think John covered it pretty well. Um, you mentioned wetlands too, John, if

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there are any on the site that the hurdles with that. >> Yes. And I think our code says that if there's a direct connection between that wetland and the Florida aquifer that it becomes a category one wetland. >> Okay. >> And one of the conditions is requirement

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of the wetland survey. >> How important. Just give your name and address, please. >> My name is Sarah Gonzalez. I live at 16677 Albright Road. >> Okay. [clears throat] My concern is, >> have you been sworn? I'm sorry. >> Yes, sir. I was the one that raised my hand with this lady earlier.

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>> Nod in my head. Yes. So, yes, sir. >> All righty. And uh [clears throat] so I have some concerns as uh all these roads there are two lane roads. Okay. We already are acquiring 600 homes at Houston, what we call Houston, right there at the end of Hicks

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>> and Denton. So they've cleared that from Hudson Road all the way across to Houston. Okay, I know what used to be in there used to be woods. Used to go out there, know all about it. The water that that used to reserve for our aquifers, believe it or not, there was many ponds out there that fed back to the aquifers.

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So now we got city water going to all these houses, county water, wherever it is. The rest of us are on wells. So the roadways are overpacked already. Denton Road is so dangerous. I have watched I've lived there nine years now

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in the area and I have watched people die in the middle of the night. A friend of mine got hit in the middle of the night out there by a driver who thought he hit a deer and then hit her again. What are we going to do to provide the infrastructure built up? You guys are building building selling off. The whole county is I get development. I get there

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has to be growth. I get it. However, we are still the little last rural area of that part of Pasco County. They are not supporting the railways. Shady Hills got all of Dell Webb added in. Those roads are not I don't care what Dell Webb did with their sidewalks up to the schools.

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We have no support for the rest of those schools through that area. We have two-lane roads down Denton and Peace. Now you're getting ready to develop Kitten Trail at the corner of Kitten and and Denton Road where they're starting to do the road work to add the curve into East Road there. What are we doing

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about the roadways? I I actually came for that piece of lot on Denton Road. I guess I missed it. I have a concern about that being reszoned from agricultural. But any of it when we start reszoning them from agricultural down, it allows for the laws to change,

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the water to change. Most of us live on wells out there. Okay? When I moved in, I thought it was agricultural. Come to find out, I'm on AR1. Okay? AR1 is your first step. As soon as you reszone it past that, then you guys can do and the county and anybody can do anything he

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wants. Then we start getting city water. We're forced off it. We have no water left. Our wells start getting issues. There's been a lot of people, luckily I'm a newer well than a lot of people have been out there for a long time, longer than me, that their wells are older than mine. So, between the

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roadways and our wells and the infrastructure, I'd like to know what what's going to support that. I actually am not too much against the lady's suggestion of her piece of property. 2 and a half acres. Okay. I live on a 1 something 27 acres. Okay. I have a

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little mobile home double wide. So again, to restrict the land out there from homeowners being able to buy it, she's good, right? The housing cost to restrict it where the person that buys the lot has no right to put the manufactured home there. I get it has to

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be up the code, but my concern is mostly the roads and the waterway and that piece that I guess I missed whatever at Denton and Kitten. It's so close to me. I travel through there every day going back and forth to work. I lost my three minutes. But either way, I'd like to know what you guys are planning on

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there. Okay. Between that little and I guess I again I came strictly for the corner of Kitten and Denton there where they're reszoning and doing the east upgrade because they've got that lot there that they're trying to reszone from agricultural now too. But every time you guys reszone it down then the

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rest of us are being jeopardized. Our roadways are not supporting it. We see no infrastructure being added in to support the roadways. How many more people have to die there? You put they put a a light at County Line and water line. Now we got County Road adding all

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them homes on County Line at Alexon that doesn't have the support for the roadways either. They added a light there. Do you know? Okay. Well, all the lights >> just a minute. You know your time's up and I >> I do know it's up. If you would address some of that, that's my concern. >> You told me. You just told me you're on an acre and a half.

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>> I am. >> This lady's talking about two and a half. >> Yes. I I don't object to her. I'm just here for >> roadway. Told me you're on a well. So, you know, you came you you're not the first one there, you know. So, people that were there before you, they may not

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have wanted you there. That's completely space >> because somebody owns property, they want to do something with it and they want to do something reasonable with it and we have to decide whether it's reasonable or not. Okay. But again, >> so I and I'm giving you more time than

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>> I appreciate that. >> Roadways, >> we we got your message. We're, you know, we're trying our best to look out for the area. So, you have something, John? >> Yeah. In our packet, the county has a project to install

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sidewalks. I mean, everybody knows there was a tragic death of a young man out there. I think it was on a go-kart or something there along Kitten Trail. Anyways, the county took note of that and they

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immediately maybe maybe it's too little too late. I don't know. >> They finally put the school zone in. The boy was on his bicycle going to school. >> But >> they finally put the and within a week they had that school zone up there. I've been there eight years. >> All right. The point is the county is

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has a project funded. There are plans, approved plans in our packet today that they intend to install sidewalks so those kids can get safely to school. >> Okay, but what about the traffic? We have two lanes, one each way. You want to add all these homes even on Denton

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Road. It's so dangerous. What are we doing about the roadway? You got all this extra traffic and 600 homes just right there in that one track that's being built now at Hicks and Denton. What's going to happen when all that traffic starts beating up? So, >> I know my time's up, but that's what I'm here. The roadways, the water, you know,

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the aquifers mostly. >> Go ahead. I was going to say we we understand the the frustration, too, because we drive on the same roads, right? >> The problem is is those roads are paid for by impact fees and taxpayer money ultimately. And when there's no

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development, none of that taxpayer money is coming in. You can't build a road for something that may or may not happen in the future. So, it always has to occur after the fact. Once the development happens then the tax revenue is there then we can start building some of the infrastructure. Now we try to plan the best we can and that's what

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comprehensive plans are for and we look at um water capacity you know sewer capacity things like that before uh developments uh approved but ultimately the things that improve that infrastructure is driven by the tax revenue from the developments that

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occur. Well, I understand that. But again, in the little area out there, as we start selling off all the property and adding in these 600 home tracks, 400 home tracks, 500 home tracks at the end of Shady Hill soon to be behind Circle K and the advanced auto parts or whatever

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is there. That little thread of land is going to be a 100 homes soon. It's already >> and all of those projects require traffic extension traffic studies to look at the capacity of the roads that are there. >> But they look at that. They look at that. There are traffic studies and you know it it's yes it's more strained than

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what it was before before that but it's still they they look at that capacity before those projects are approved and then when improvements need to be made and the tax revenue is there to do it they can do it. You know, if we if we developed expanded roads and developed

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infrastructure for things that were permitted or things that were approved and then the market shifts and the developer says, you know what, I'm not going to build this development anymore or the money doesn't make sense and now we spent money to build a road to nowhere because now this development

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doesn't get built. That's a problem for the taxpayers, too. >> Okay. Okay, one last thing because I do know over my time um >> there's there's people that work. I had to take off at home to you know work to make it to this. >> I have a question. How can us in Pasco County because Pineelis County did it?

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They were able to arrange their meetings to be in the evening so those at work that can't afford to take off of their jobs could attend some of these meetings. Is how do we how do we make the steps in Pasco County to get these meetings adjusted so that we can have them in the evenings? You know, and

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Panelis has done that, accommodated their their residents to meet in the evenings at say 5 5:30 evening so that people like us, the regular citizens, blueco collar workers can actually make it to these meetings to have our word heard, hear what's going on, be able to

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try to understand what you guys are doing, what the development's doing. You know, I mean, it none of us get the chance. >> We got your question. Let's try to give you an answer. I've given you too much. I I assume how do we make that step? >> I assume you live in district five. Commissioner Mariano's district.

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>> Yes. >> So, he's made the suggestion that we have some meetings after 5:00. >> How do I do that? >> Well, you can continue to call your county commissioners and ask that they have meetings at 5:00. But let me tell you something. I've been a practicing engineer for more

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than 30 years. And I've had to go to zoning hearings where counties or municipalities held their meetings after 5:00. I've also had zoning hearings happen at 1:00 in the morning. People say they can't take off

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of work. Well, I would like to know how you're going to get to work the next day when your zoning hearing starts at 1 in the morning and goes until 3:00 in the morning because that's happened to me before. And the other thing I'd like to point out about having meetings after 5:00 is there's two sides to that coin.

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One, you could have that meeting at 1:00 in the morning. The other is that everybody that sits here, with the exception of the schoolboard representative, and I don't mean to pick on him because he knows I love him. Uh, we all run businesses. We're all unpaid volunteers here. And I come down here

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twice a month, okay? Two meetings every month, my time. >> I'm not paid for my time. I have to read in fact that the last planning commission agenda, the agenda package that I was delivered on the Friday

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evening before the Thursday meeting was 1,399 pages long that I needed to read. And I need to do this twice a month and come down here. That's time away from my business that I'm not getting paid for, that my

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business is not making money. Okay. I it's important enough to me as a community member to come down here and volunteer my time twice a month. There's not something that happens in your neighborhood every day that isn't

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important enough for you for one one reasoning hearing that happens once a year or two a year to come down here and manage to take 30 minutes off of work to come down here and talk. >> Okay. And I understand that and I'm guarante

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I'm going to off and thank you for your time. >> Okay, >> that's fine. I'll do something to go on forever. >> Okay, >> plus we have >> digital options for meetings as well. >> Have you been sworn? >> I have. Thank you. My name is Sher

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Howard. I live live at 1117 Kitten Trail Hudson. So, let me understand. She started out asking for res one. >> No, >> I'm I'm sorry. RC,

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>> can you tell me the difference in what she's that the original request and the res 3 future? >> She's not asking for res 3. She already has res. >> She has res 3. So, what is she asking? She's asking to change the zoning from

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agricultural commercial to agricultural residential. >> Right now she has an approximately 14 acre lot. >> Okay. >> And in agricultural residential you're allowed to build one house per 10 acres. >> One house per 10. He's asking to change

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the zoning to the next least intensive zoning district, which is the agricultural residential district, which would allow up to one home per acre. However, she's

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volunteered to de-restrict her property to a minimum of two and a half acre lots. So, in other words, she's not even asking to use all of the density that the zoning district she's requested would allow. And I would make the point

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that right now the future land use designation is res 3. She could have come in and asked for a more intensive [music] zoning district than AR, but she's chosen to request AR, which is a minimum of 1acre lots. and she's volunteering to

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make them a minimum of two and a half acre lots, which is far better than the application we heard in here a couple of months ago. That's not too far away on the other side of the street. 60 and 70 foot >> lots. Correct. Okay. So, what what type

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of infrastructure roads would she be required at two and a half lots? >> So, if she subdivides that property, she'll have to follow the county's land development code. The minimum width of right of way that she'll have to give

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for those roads is 50 feet. And we allow up 22 foot wide roads for two-way traffic. [snorts] And she'll have to provide all of the storm water drainage for those roads.

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>> So just like any other >> any other subdivision. Correct. Okay. That's me. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Okay. Okay. Do we miss anybody? Would the applicant like to come back up and respond in any way?

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>> Anything else to say? >> Sure. >> If you'd like to respond to any of the questions or >> Sorry again, I'm hard of hearing, so bear with me. Um, uh, no, I I appreciate the questions and I appreciate the concern for the from the community and

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that's why I said when they called me and said that there was some questions and people were calling, you know, reach out to me. I'm more than happy to make this clear so people don't get upset and think things that are not happening. Uh, yes, it is currently res

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>> 3 before you go any further. >> Sure. For the record, we need to make sure we have your name and address so they'll know who it is that's speaking. >> Oh, yeah. >> When they go back to do the minutes. >> Yeah. Lisa Deanovich with Landlark LLC. And you need my address, too? >> Yeah.

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>> Yes. 9445 Monica Drive, Largo, Florida 3377. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. So, the property is currently res 3 current zoning. um >> future land use >> future land use three >> which I'm not trying to keep it as res

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three but if somebody came to me tomorrow and wanted to purchase this property before this is all over that is the current zoning and that's what they would get >> future land use >> correct correct they would >> got be careful with your terminology because it's confuses the public when

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you say that the the comprehensive plan future land use designation is res 3 you don't want to call that the zoning because that's not what it I'm sorry I mis misspoke on that. No. So, so what I'm trying to do now is I'm just trying

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to make it as we discussed a large, you know, estate, you know, area. I I'm not trying to split it up into larger lots. But the reason I think there's some confusion is because I'm trying to sell the property. I will sell the property

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as a whole. I have advertised it on horsepies.com. I've advertised it on land.com. Um, I'm also I'm trying to go several different directions whether the there's a horse farm next door to me. I had a realtor reach out to me asking me about selling

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mine so that they could buy both. That would be fine, too, if they came to me with a good offer. So, but at this point, if the property just sits there, I'd like to do something with it, something with potential. And I don't want to limit that potential entirely. I

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want them to be nicesized estate lots where somebody can spread out and they can have, you know, some animals and, you know, build a, you know, garage or whatever they want to do behind their house. Um, if they want to add an ADU for their grandmother, they can do that.

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Um, just, you know, a nice estate size lot. I'm not trying to go in there as a a large uh builder, production builder, and put in, you know, one home per, you know, half acre or whatever. That's not the goal here. >> I do have one question.

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>> Sure. >> Do you understand that if you do anything more than split this lot >> the minute you create three parcels >> Mhm. >> that you have an obligation to connect to public utilities of which they are not anywhere near you.

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>> Right. Right. Everything out there is on well and septic. >> Okay. You're not going to have the option if you split this into three parcels or more to be on well and septic. And that will be your obligation or whomever purchases this [clears throat] property's obligation to bring in utilities. And I can tell you

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they are miles away. >> Yeah. Yeah. I had that conversation with one one person that reached out to me asking about the water line. The water line is about a mile down the road and the sewers is even further than that. So the chance of them coming this way anytime soon is not likely. You're

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right. Okay. I just want you to understand that. >> No, I I do. I understand. >> I understand. I My my goal at this point is just to split it the once, but to leave the potential for the future for somebody that wants to buy the larger tract.

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>> Okay. Okay. >> All right. Very good. Is there anything else? >> I I don't think so. >> Any questions from here? And just to confirm for the uh for the folks that came to to speak about this,

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talking about two lots, >> two two and a half acre lots within the overall 14 whatever acres it is. >> Well, my plan right now is if I if it doesn't sell as a whole was I was going to create a smaller lot and then a

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larger tract. U I could either split it and make it two even lots, but I think I want to do something a little bit different. But I wanted to leave the larger tract as like I said for potential, you know, for if somebody wanted to buy it and then split it later

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or they wanted to do something else, like you said, infrastructure permitting and what they would need to do as far as well and septic. I want them to have the ability to at least do that. I don't want them to be confined. Right now, this property is confined to one home on

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14 1/2 acres. You know, I mean, you look at around me. I mean, there's acre, acre, two acres, acres, acres. You know what I mean? It doesn't it doesn't fit with the growth that's around me. I don't know why it should be restricted and limited as such as it is now and stay that way.

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>> So, what you might do is something like a 2 and 1/2 acre lot and then a remaining 12 acre track. >> Correct. Or or a or a 4 acre 10 or, you know, something of that nature or a five

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and then just under 10. But um in my experience when you have I have split before and and just when you have two that are exact same size sometimes that's not really marketable and it doesn't really you know it does more

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when you can kind of create the lots you create the vision you you know what I mean and then they can come in and they can do what they want. If they want to turn it into a horse farm they want to buy the farm next door and add mine to it. you know, they can do that, but at least that they would have the potential. I don't want to limit the

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potential. That that's really why I'm here. I want to be able to get it reszoned and still create and have the potential long term. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions? If not, I hear a motion.

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>> Move to recommend approval of item P10. >> Second. >> Have a motion and a second. Is it the discussion of the motion. If not, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I opposed. Motion carries.

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Very good. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. All in favor? >> I thank you. >> Thank you for coming for your comments and we'll get this fixed.

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Definitely got a short inside that line somewhere. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Oh, thank you very much. >> Are you leaving [clears throat] us anytime soon? Yeah, >> people say [laughter]

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>> it must be the hat. Phil, >> you're on to the county commission