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>> Councilman Garcia I believe will be joining us by Zoom. >> Counciloman Colonz >> and Council President Sher >> present. Should we all please rise >> heavenly father thank you Lord to meet this evening. Father God we ask you to
please guide us with the agenda that has been presented before us. In your beloved name we pray. Amen. >> Amen. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> We have been asked by the administration uh to redesate item number 36 as stated on the cover sheet. Are there any questions?
Are there any questions on the uh revision requested? Seeing none, we'll accept that for tonight's agenda. Uh we are up to hearing of citizens. It is just us. >> Thank you.
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around and make sure there's Okay, we have a motion. We have a second to the councilman. >> Councilman Love. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Melo. >> Yes. >> Councilman Mayor. >> Yes. >> Councilman Garcia. >> Councilman Garcia, are you with us? >> Councilwoman Colonz.
>> Yes. and council president shar. >> Yes, thank you. Uh we are up to Roman rule five on our agenda ordinance for second and final reading hearing is required. Number one, proposed ordinance number 25-05-25 ordinance amending the designation of restricted parking for disabled persons
by New Jersey license plate number. Is there a motion please to >> motion to open? >> Is there a motion to open? >> Second. >> Motion and second. Roll call, please. >> Councilman Love. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Melo. Yes. >> Councilman Mayor. >> Yes.
>> Councilman Garcia. >> Yes. >> Counciloman Golz. >> Yes. >> And Council President Shear. >> Yes. Thank you. Uh we are asked if there's anyone who would like to speak. >> No one here. Do we close now? >> Is there a motion to close public hear?
>> Yes. >> Motion. >> Councilman Melo. >> Yes. Councilman Mayor. Yes. >> Councilman Garcia. >> Yes. >> Councilman Colom DZ. >> Yes. >> And Council President Shar.
>> Yes. Thank you. On the ordinance. Is there a maker, please? >> So move. >> Second. >> Motion and second. Thank you. Roll call. >> Councilman Love. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Melo. >> Yes. >> Councilman Mayer. >> Yes. >> Councilman Garcia. >> Yes. >> Councilman Colonz. >> Yes. >> And council president Sher.
>> Yes. Thank you. Number two, please. Proposed ordinance number 25-07-2. Ordinance amending chapter 317-30B sub8 affordable housing mandatory set aside. Is there a motion please to open public hearing? >> So move.
>> Second. >> Motion and second to open. Roll call. >> Councilman Love. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Melo. >> Yes. >> Councilman Mayor. >> Yes. >> Councilman Garcia. >> Yes. >> Councilman Colonz. Yes. >> And council president Sher. >> Yes. Thank you. Number one. Are there
any questions? Any address to council? See? No. Ricky, can you help us with the with what we're looking at? >> Yeah. So, what happens when you have a% clarify that >> come back to me for a moment. What does
that mean? A fraction. So when you do a calculation >> um when you do a calculation for a unit since it's based on denses per acre sometimes you'll get 1.7 units affordable housing. So this would
indicate that if it was 1.7 it would be two affordable units and if it was 1.5 or below it would be one affordable unit. So you want to always try to get the additional per you can. So this
would clarify that it has to be if any of the calculations result in a fraction that it's greater than 0.5 you round up for the additional unit. You have to give us the additional unit you can have the additional affordable. Any
questions for the BA? Any comments on the ordinance? If not, or is there a motion to accept the ordinance? >> This is to close public portion. >> Is there a motion to close public discussion on the ordinance? >> Councilman Love,
>> yes. >> Councilman Melo, >> yes. >> Councilman Mayor, >> yes. >> Councilman Garcia, >> yes. >> Councilman Colz, >> yes. >> And Council President Shar, >> thank you. On the ordinance, please, is there a >> So move it. >> Motion. >> Second. >> And second. Thank you. Roll call. >> Councilman Love.
>> Yes. >> Councilman Melo. >> Yes. >> Councilman Mayor. Yes. >> Councilman Garcia. >> Yes. >> Counciloman Golz. >> Yes. >> And Council President She >> Yes. Thank you. We're up to communications from six on our agenda.
Items 3 through 12. >> Are there any questions on items 3 through 12? Seeing is there a motion please to accept 3 through 12? >> So move it. >> Second. >> Motion and second. Roll call. >> Councilman Love. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Melo. >> Yes. >> Councilman Mayor.
>> Yes. >> Councilman Garcia. Yes. >> Councilman Gom. >> Yes. >> And council president Shar. >> Yes. Thank you. Uh on number 15, zoning board of adjustment. You will receive notice on this. I believe for next
meeting if we can have nominations. I know that Monk is losing someone so he would probably be up there and love is losing someone so he would probably be up there. If you uh two gentlemen can come up with your names for the next goound.
>> Okay. questions on 13 through 21 councilman mayor. >> Um 16 ruling board. >> Yes, sir. >> Is there any feeling how this is going? How are they seeing a lot of cases? Are
they inundated by the backlog? Um are they how are the complaints going? >> They're they're seeing a lot of they're seeing a lot of cases, but they're handling them very well. Um, so, so it's functioning. It's functioning the way that the council
discussed that it was intended to function. >> How exhaustive are the members? >> Um, I haven't heard a single complaint from any of the members. So, they've been functioning. I mean, they'll So, what happens is a lot of times you may
see a lot of cases, but they're all from the same address dealing with the same situation, right? So they may have 10 cases but 10 of them could be for apartments 1 through 10. So once they resolve the general idea of it, it's just a matter of just uh adjudicating
each one with the findings from the previous. >> Okay. >> And majority of these cases are being judged or being decided pro tenant, pro landlord to be pro both, but
>> it's been both. So, uh I think one of the one of the first ones there was a tenant with documentation that was not um >> what's the best way to put it? Could not the the validity of the documents could
not be verified by the way the dates and signatures uh looked. So, the the landlord won because they couldn't prove that you know that's what it is. And then on I'm I'm sorry. >> It looks like they falsified some of the
records. >> Would those records be related to >> I'm so sorry. >> No, please. Would it be related to his his status in the United States? >> Okay. No, no, no. This is specifically with documentation as far as the lease
documentation. How about in terms of someone who rents an apartment um the landlord, you know, wants to charge him a 5% increase, which is >> over the three over the three person is
not does not have all of his uh proper legal documents in terms of citizenship. Is that in any >> that does not play a role in I can't say he's a terrible tenant and he you know no we don't we don't look at that at all
we look at the validity of the increase of the rental increase according to our ordinance that's it so they the there has to be documents provided by both sides regarding you know the the rent the rent agreement the you know uh
payments of that rent and what the initial what the initial rent was versus what the proposed rents are. >> There were some exceptions to this ordinance with their rent control increase. >> Yes. Um,
I believe there's some state statutes that require um the exemption to be in the original lease even though the law was passed. >> But that's not how that's not how we did our ordinance. So the because
because of the situation where the city of Pake hadn't had a rent control ordinance since 99, it's unfair to property owners that had a property that was younger than 30 years, let's say,
because that's what the state statute says. So, in our ordinance, and this council agreed and passed it, um those that fell under in let's call it the gap years can send a letter to all of their current tenants and then and then uh in
their upcoming lease renewals, put it in all their leases. So, that's how the city of Pakes work because of that gap, right? It would be unfair. It was a again I mean I know there was
some struggle and there's pros and cons to everything but uh as the mayor discussed at Nauseio we tried to make it as balanced as possible with the situation we had at hand. >> Look I'm I'm looking at the state statute. It's called the notice of
exemption to tenants and states like in the original DC need to be there. So I'm just >> Yeah. So our ordinance is it's our ordinance. We enforce it based on our regulation that we put in for our rent control ordinance >> and the state law wouldn't supersede that as far as
>> not in our case. Not in our case. No, because remember we could do away with it. >> Did not have an ordinance. Period. >> It's not a mandatory ordinance. >> I don't I don't think I'm being clear. We created the 3% rent control
>> increase. The state statute as I read it requires the original lease not the renewal to have to >> stipulate make make known that there is this exemption in the lease. The renewal lease is viewed typically different than
the original lease. So if someone if a landlord was to have an exemption based on the new ordinance, the state law requirement, I believe from the way I read the ordinance at the state level would require the initial lease, not the renewal to have that
exemption listed in it. Uh not in our case, right? So the state law also defers to the municipal local rent uh stabilization ordinance. So, in our case, the way we wrote it, our
ordinance is effective. Okay. I trust me, we've had multiple attorneys look at multiple attorneys before we got to this level. So, yeah, the municipal law is the original jurisdiction for the
rent control ordinance. Final question on this one. Have have you seen a increase in tax appeals or any such? >> No. since this has passed. >> We have not, >> you know. So, I think um when that
happens, it will be way down the road and it'll probably be more for when a landlord did not keep up with the rent increases, right? So, we have up to 3%. Some landlords haven't raised their rent
in 20 years. >> We're looking at some of these numbers in here. It went from 473 to 1500. rent for 473. I don't care what you're is pretty low. >> That's what I'm saying. But that's that's on that's on the property owner. But that's why in our in our code, we
have uh hardship exemptions for repairs and and things uh for taxes. There's exemptions that you can hardships that you can apply to the rent leveling board to raise it beyond the 3%.
So I mean we there are different ways to balance those rent control uh requests, you know. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, but think about it. If they're at $476, when did they rent it for $476, which
means you've got you haven't increased that rent >> since you built since you bought the apartment. >> And it's, you know, it's not funny, but there are landlords that haven't raised the rent, you know, and I could tell you typically typically not all the time. I don't want to talk even though I'm going
to talk a little bit in generalities. Those are your more uh dilapidated buildings. Those are your buildings with bigger problems. And typically that's where I would when it might be fire, right? As a housing inspector, that's what we would find the
lower. And then it works out. Typically, it works out because the tenant isn't complaining because they got $47 rent and the landlord isn't complaining because they're not fixing a thing in the property. And the and the tenants tend to fix it, right? Until the market
obviously blows up because, you know, $500 for two bedroom was in the 80s, not 2000s, right? >> Any other questions, please, on 13 through 21? That be that the case. Is there a
motion, please, to accept 13- 21? >> Move it. >> Second. >> Councilman Monk, >> yes. >> Councilman Love, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Melo, >> yes. >> Councilman Mayor, >> yes. >> Councilman Garcia, >> yes.
>> Counciloman Colonz, >> yes. >> And Council President Sheer, >> yes. Thank you. We're up to resolutions. Number 22 is a resolution authorizing closed executive session. Uh Susie, any reason to close executive? Thank you, ma'am. Ricky, >> no sir.
>> Members of the council. Very good. On items 23 through 35. Councilman Mayor, please. >> 24. Just a brief overview of which areas are getting this. It looks like grant money
for the local aid and roadway improvements. You just want like the roads. >> Yeah. >> Hold on. I'll tell you right now. There's some reason that page isn't on here for me.
>> The reason I ask is because there was a number of uh people that came to this council since I've joined that had complaints about their specific roads. Wondering if any of that made it to the list. So, what happens? Uh,
I've gone digital and the one page that I saw in hand with the with the information isn't on my thing. Do you have it? Yeah.
No, it was No, it actually had the names above it. I can get you the streets. So, it's a it's actually a number of streets. So, you got the base bid and then you have three alternates. So, it's it's three different roadways.
Uh, and I apologize. I don't the document isn't on here. But in either case, it was over budget. So, we're we're rejecting it so that we can go out to get maybe get the alternate the alternates done. So, when you do get the
resolution back here that we're we're actually awarding, I'll have that sheet that tally sheet with the streets with it. So, I apologize for that. >> There was a gentleman, I believe it was High Street. He came up here two three meetings ago. One night made it to
So what's the street you're looking for? Hide. He Yeah. gentleman came um he was complaining about I believe it was hide between a long stretch but I think it was hide closer to the the park that's under construction. I guess that would be Tennyson in that
area. >> Give me one second. I think I am. So, the two roads, it's two roads and it's Brighton Avenue and 8th Street. That's what this this one is for.
But I could tell I once I get the the listing of the roadways in the order that we put in for them, I will I will let you know. >> Thank you. >> All right. So, this one is H Street and Brighton. Other questions?
>> Yeah, I just have one on council on 23. This is by no means the question. Um, >> position is not compensated if that's your >> No, just thank you. That's one, but also and >> let me think if I
>> that I'll be honest with that really wasn't a concern. It's just a concern. She does so well in the position that she's in and will and how can that affect what she does? Will it affect I don't understand >> the position that she's in as the
director. Will this position that she's being appointed to affect >> her ability to perform as she has always done? >> Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. In fact, it's almost like innate in her current duties to verify,
you know, the compliance. So it's almost like a >> I just want to make sure cuz that that's >> And I mean we're talking about this is over a decade old. Like she's been doing it great for over a decade. >> How long how long has she been? >> Oh, she's been doing this since the law
said we needed one. So it's got to be at least like over 10 years. >> Okay, good. Yeah, she's been doing the job so well as well. >> All right, see 25 is about 8th Street. I don't know if 24 and 25 are the same, but 25 is the
one about each street and Brighton would be 26. >> Oh, you're right. You're right. So the over budget could be I think there might be a problem in the way they wrote this
because I have South Street to Loi Street and I have Van Halen uh to the dead end of Van Halen and they're full depth of reconstruction. Let me now that Wely was kind enough to give me the paperwork.
All right. So local freight, local freight has to be H Street. >> Understood. >> Because of the the the the requirements of that one. Uh yeah, the other one is Brighton Avenue.
So then that means that the 2025 local aid is South Street to Loi Street, Van Hound to the dead end. South Street's pretty bad. >> Yeah. >> Just double >> Are we good on this? We're still uh
>> Yeah. Okay. So, the one the one that's being uh I just got a an email, a text from the the engineer. The bid that's being rejected is Boulevard Hillside Way and
How Avenue. >> No, not Boulevard. >> Not the whole thing. Yeah, I just wrote on it. It was They're parts of Boulevard by How Avenue. actually parts of Boulevard by How Avenue that are >> the hospital by the hospital are really bad >> craters. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So that I'm sorry that's the one that's being rejected. >> Thank you. I know this there's a tremendous amount of work that's going to be upcoming, but do you have any feel that you can share
with us in terms of what uh our budget situation looks like? I just read an article where close to $10 million short, something like that. Um so I think it's clear that the budgets
are extremely tight and difficult and um the mayor has made a commitment to the council and to the residents of the city about maintaining uh you know under
double digit increases. So we are making u significant changes to the budget which you'll you'll notice when we present the budget um to get us under that threshold. So I think the council
will will be familiar with the number. I just don't I can't give you an exact number right now but you will be familiar with the number um you know to be on the higher end of the discussions because there's no choice. I mean, you're looking at an $8 million
deficit in health benefits alone. Um, and we're still negotiating with the union membership to try to see if there can be any changes to it. So, you know, um, I don't know what more I can say because it's negotiations, but I I think
uh, Susie, I can mention what the vote was, right? Like what it ended up being. Yeah. So, every union voted it down except for the police, which we're still actively negotiating with them for their
vote and uh we've made a change to the proposal that next week we hope to present to the fire department, both fire department unions, and and then move on to the rest of uh the city hall unions if if we can get agreement from
the police and fire unions. The reason I mention that is because obviously the cuts are different if we do some if there are some changes to the medical because quite frankly the almost almost the entire increase of our budget
is due to medical benefits. You'll see. I mean, you'll see it. I mean, where are you going to find $8 million from one, you know, we would normally put roughly anywhere between 5 to 8% increases and we're at 30 35 36%
increases. There's no, and I'm talking about for the health benefits. So, we're looking at roughly >> just ate the out. >> Um, we're roughly that's roughly the difference between
one. >> How's our surplus? >> Reserves. >> Um, our surplus >> reserves. >> Yeah. Our reserves are being used every day like so. We're going to be we're going right now uh the last budget used
up I think 13 million plus of surplus and we anticipate at least that much. But what happens? What happens is the tighter the budget, the less regeneration of surplus we
have. So if one year we brought in $9 million and we cut everything, there's nowhere to go. So there's no regeneration for the usage of that. And all that means for the public is that I don't have enough to put back in the
savings account, right? Because we all know reserve is the savings account. I need enough money from, you know, what we bring in to put into the the savings account. So the tighter the budget, the less regeneration of surplus. That's so where are we holding them? We we I think it was a we were using
>> we we're so so and these are why some of the things and obviously I think we're getting a little deep into numbers that I can't give you with certainty because we're still working through them. But there's a multitude of things. Uh some of the good things. Let's talk about your tax implications with like appeals.
You said um we have a significant boost in added assessments which means all the work that this administration you know the mayor's put forward and the council's approved has not deterred people from investing in the city of PA
adding additional um tax ratables to the municipality and I'm not just talking about the big developments I'm talking about additions these are added assessments so it's anything that brings value to any of the properties and what that does what that
does is it uh in the way that the taxes are balanced and we present let's say we present a 10% tax increase right which we already I said I used a big number on purpose because that's not our number right you
may only feel a 9% tax increase because of the added assessments right the way that because the more added assessments you have, the greater the spread of the tax base is. >> You're not making me feel better.
>> That's actually very if the assessments if the assessments end up on people that don't live in the city, frankly, that's great. But if the liv it's to the homeowner, if it's to myself or the residents, other residents who are already, >> you know, they end up with so I can give
you a good like indication >> the big developments. from the bigger developers bring in the most added assessments. >> Yes, when you do an addition in your house, >> you get an added assessment, but it takes many, many, many, many of them to
compare to like one added assessment of a brand new, you know, major development, right? So, and I know that if the mayor were here, he would be quick to tell everyone that he tried multiple times with the League of
Municipalities to try to get a a some sort of tax moratorum for for >> res single two family residences, right? Um, >> but that that hasn't happened as of yet. And I know we've submitted it at least
on two or three different occasions. I know Assemblyman Sher has even signed onto the bill to to do that, but it hasn't happened. So, those are the tax implications. But but basically, the whole moral of the story is the greater
the added assessments, the less you feel on your tax bill generally, like throughout. So, the person who gets the added assessment is obviously going to get more assessment because they they they added value. But then the one that didn't that's sitting
there, right? And now you get a 10% t tax increase, their tax bill, even though our budget went up 10%, their tax bill is only going to show a 9% increase because the >> that 1% was offset by that added assessment of that bigger building. I
hope I'm explaining that correctly. It's a little more complicated sometimes that >> um so that's good, but that isn't going to meet a $10 million I mean an $8 million budget gap for health benefits, right? Like that's not
>> number two in the state report. The second reason for increases in insurance claims is GLP1 medications. No generics, brand names, and everybody wants them. >> Yeah, that's that's the funny that's the funny thing. There are doctors that are
feel exactly the way you say no no no my patient has to have this uh and then what happens is we we go through a whole process at least in the city of Pik where they submit to the carrier the carrier comes to us we have to look they got to tell us why why yes why not the doctors gives us letters so it's not
like we automatically say yay I give right if it's one of those like very expensive brands there's a there's like a a trigger where it pumps the brakes and then the the insurance carrier for our prescription. It's like, wait, the
why not generic? And then they we not we but just the process requires the doctor to send additional information and why they can't use the generic drug and things of that nature. But you are correct. And then after that, you have your liability insuranceances, your
workers comp claims, which are >> for us as a city employer >> also. So, you got $8 million from that and about $1.2 million for the for the general liability insuranceances claims. So, I'm almost at I'm almost at $10
million and we haven't even opened up the books to do anything. >> They expect this to plateau at some point. >> I expect the state to eliminate the health benefits plan. I think I >> Yeah. Um
I I I can't see it that that that was supposed to have happened already, right? Cuz I don't know if um and I'm sorry the the coun the the other council members were here when we had the discussion when they first went up to 24%. They were supposed to give us a reprieve
and when I say they the state, right? >> Uh but then so many other municipalities moved out of the state plan that there was no reprieve. So, we got 24% that year. And then the following year when we were supposed to get and and and for
the council members, if you recall, we went into our tr our health benefits trust account and took $2 million out of there because they were going to make it up for us the following year and instead of making it up, they went up 6%. So now in two years, I'm at 30%. Well, this
year is 35% with nothing else. Just just so you see how it's compounding, right? Yep. >> Um and and it's out of our control like for us to be able to maintain
to to bring that down to a reasonable level, right? There would be no services because the amount of people you'd have to remove would put any city. And again, just so we're clear and it's clear for the
public, this is not just for the city of Pake. This is a crisis that is happening throughout the entire state of New Jersey, you know. So, this is something that all municipalities, I mean, council president opened up with our neighbor
sister city what their struggles are. And we've brought up other cities every year. We bring up other cities and what they're where they're at and they're in the double digits. And you know, I I know the mayor's direction was very clear. I hope you see it when we bring
in the the budget and the budget presentation. It was, you know, we also can't there. Everybody's suffering, right? We we we keep talking about the price of eggs, right? We're all paying for the price of eggs. So, not only did ours go up $6 million, but the
percentage that all our employees paid went up as well. So now they're seeing less in their checks, right? So if that's happening to us, that's happening everywhere else. >> Now the residents also are struggling to pay. So it's
>> Did that answer your I know I probably went down a rabbit hole, but I was just answering questions as I was getting them. Uh we the best thing I can say we're in better shape than uh a lot of other towns, but we're not in great shape by any means because of that,
right? So, we are budgeting appropriately. We're we're we are uh good fiscal stewards of the taxpayer dollars, but who can you know >> and you're exploring other means of
revenue? >> Well, I mean that's a constant, right? But remember, there's only the main source of income for a municipality is taxes. So, the idea is how do you offset that somewhere else when you get an $8
million unknown increase, you know, unanticipated, not unknown, but an unanticipated increase. Um, and then you shop around our health benefits. I could tell the council that every single year through every year we put out the
signific out for to reduce health benefits costs and this is the only year because of those increases that we have an opportunity to get out of the state plan but because of contractual obligations we we can't just
leave. So so I'll give you I'll give you a perspective. I'll give you some of why. If we have the majority of the the employees here have a direct 10 plan, right? >> Okay. To grab that same direct 10 plan
>> and put it to an Etna plan outside of the health benefits plan, it's 6 $8 million versus $8 million. So, it's not like it's we're not saving money. just
>> less. So, I still got to find $6.8 million even if we go to give you the same exact plan. But, >> but then you would say, "But Rick, that's $2 million, right?" Like, right away, why would we do that later? >> Because it's very simple because that's
the cost, but we become self-insured. So, we need to fund our full exposure for that year. And when we did that math, it went to $9 million, which is a million dollars more than just staying in the state plan,
>> right? So, >> and that's for just the initial year. >> That's for the initial year. And then what happens, you're self-insured. So, what happens is your claims history is reviewed on every single year. >> And depending on your claims history depends on how much you're going to go
up >> the following year. Mhm. >> See, >> it's like car insurance. >> It's like car. Yes, it is. Yeah. The more the higher your claims, the higher you cost. Uh and what's happening now in the state health benefits plan, if you keep that same train of thought,
thought, our claims aren't atrocious. They're not great, but they're not atrocious. But now we're with the majority of individuals that can't go out. So now we're with higher claims. So, in in um
in a time where economies of scale were great because it reduced everybody's claims, right, because the one town that had low claims this year offset the town that had high claims next year. Now you everybody who could get out got out and now you have all the high claims left
>> all together and they got to offset that, >> right? Besides the fact that the the municipal port because the state health benefits plan broken up into two sections, the state and the municipal >> and the state lent $200 million to the
municipal side of the state health, >> right? That that has to be paid back. >> Counciloman, please. >> Well, you was just touching on on that. I was about to ask um have you ever explored with becoming selfinsured? Um
because as we know that staying with the state it's really but you just explained that yes there may be savings but that saving in the long term we'll have to especially because it'll be our first year we have to kind of fund that bucket. >> You have to fund it completely and
that's why it was right. So the only way that it works is by changing the plan which requires >> that point >> which requires approval from all the units. Did I >> Yes. It's okay. >> Council me.
>> Yeah. Just um Mr. Fernandez, you touched on it in terms of the reevaluation assessment of properties, but my question was a little more direct. Um over the years, we've launched several pilot programs. Do we have a projection
of of when we're going to start getting larger uh how do you say revenue from some of those plans or do we have any on the table that may help with this this year's budget? >> So so we're getting it now. So to answer your question, we're getting it now.
That's what that's all part of that added assessment that we're talking about and additional income off of taxes. >> Uh so we're getting it now. Typically the way that we negotiate our pilots here is we never go below what we're
currently getting. So the city of PA the way all the points that you've voted on before we kind of the the the starting point is what we're getting now. So we're never getting less than what we got previously and then it only goes up from there. Uh typically the first
handful of years is the buildup of the property. Then uh the middle years it's kind of like a split the baby kind of thing. And then in the latter years we're getting we're actually lose money when the pilot ends.
>> Okay. Because it kind of levels off. >> Yeah. And then it becomes because the uh the way our tax bill breaks down is school county and municipal and because a large portion of the state a large portion of the state u of the board of
ed budget is paid by the state. The municipal budget portion is 60 over 60% of the tax bill. So what happens is in a in a pilot without the pilot we're getting 60% with
the pilot we're getting 95%. So when when you negotiate you start leveling off we're now getting 95% of that money. So whenever whenever you see the 60% marker now you know we're breaking even and
then going up the other way. So that's why typically towards the end we try to put in a lot of 80 to 90% of taxes otherwise do because that means we we will be getting
20 to 30% more in those last let's say 8 to 10 years than we would if we didn't have the pilot. So hence at the end of the pilot we would be making less right. >> Okay. Gotcha. Thank you.
>> Other questions on what things look like in the near future. Seeing none. Items 23 through 35. Are there any questions? Please. Seeing none at this time. Is there a motion please to accept 23 through 35?
>> So move. >> Second. >> Motion and second. Roll please. Councilman Monk, >> yes. >> Councilman Love, >> yes. >> Counciloman Melo, >> yes. >> Councilman Mayor, >> yes. >> Councilman Garcia, >> yes. >> Councilman Colz, >> yes. >> And Council President Sher,
>> yes. Thank you. We're up to numeral eight on our agenda ordinances for introduction. First reading number 36, ordinance amending the designation of restricted parking for disabled persons by New Jersey license plate number. Second and final reading to be
February 3rd. >> Yes, correct. >> February 3rd. Is there a motion please to accept for set down? >> So move. >> Motion second and second. Thank you. >> Councilman Mo. >> Yes. >> Councilman Love. >> Yes. >> Counciloman Melo. >> Yes. >> Councilman Mayor. >> Yes.
>> Councilman Garcia. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Golo Montz. Yes. >> And Council President Sher. >> Yes. Thank you. Payment of bills. Are there any questions on the bills? Seeing no lights, is there a motion, please, to accept the bills as presented by the clerk, please?
>> Motion and second. Roll call, please. >> Councilman Monk, >> yes. >> Councilman Love, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Melo, >> yes. >> Councilman Mayor, >> January, we have the 20th. >> Councilman Mayor, >> yes. >> Councilman Garcia, >> yes.
>> Councilman Colz, >> yes. >> And Council President Shar, >> yes. Thank you. Uh the mayor is unfortunately not with us tonight. Um but he's been doing such incredible good things for you. Are there any other uh issues
tonight? We're going to try to arrange a discussion period um during each of our meetings with an update on the budget. Um it is going to be difficult as the business administrator very clearly. Um, and all of us are
going to be questioned, I know, by our friends and neighbors, and that is I should do this today. And at least we want you to be educated to have those those responses. Um, we've always worked together as a council. I shouldn't say always, but we've traditionally worked
together with the council at least in the past 20, 30 years to our credit. Um, and we've always taken the belief that we stand together, uh, move together, together, we can get things done. I'm being the case to no. >> Council president, just just real fast,
will you be assigned an AHA committee um for >> on the uh budget? >> Yes. Okay. >> And if I may, just before we close, just um last night um just want to
congratulate make it public our um commissioner Christina Schz was sworn in at the county. So it's a historical date for PI. wish you lots of luck because um you know the sig has representation up in the county so that took place
yesterday so congratulations and just wanted to >> absolutely >> awesome >> we are uh the first woman >> from the city of >> yes >> not to mention the first Americana >> yes >> we are all very proud >> very proud very proud
>> is there a motion please to adjourn >> so move motion and second roll call to adjourn >> councilman love >> yes >> councilman Yes. >> Councilwoman Melo. >> Yes. >> Councilman Mayor. >> Yes. >> Councilman Garcia. >> Yes.
>> Councilman Colany. Yes. And Council President Shear. >> Yes. This meeting is