Good evening everyone. On behalf of the Patterson Municipal Council, I welcome you to the workshop session on December 9th, 2025 at 6:30 p.m. The meeting is now called to order. Madame Clerk, please call the role.
Yes, council president. One second, please. >> Thank you. Um, roll call for the workshop session of December 9th, 2025. Councilwoman Cotton, Councilwoman Dava, >> Counciloman Jackson, Councilman Khalague, >> present.
>> Councilman Mendes, >> present. Madam Clerk, >> Councilman Omar, >> present. Madam clerk, >> Councilman Uden, Councilman Vez, Council President. >> Yeah, Madam Clerk. >> Thank you. We have um seven present and three absent at this time.
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2026 on Mount July 1st, 2025. Two, a schedule of the regular meetings and workshop sessions of the municipal council for the year 2025 2026 was duly transmitted on or about July 1st, 2025 to the North Jersey Herald News, the
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in addition to any other publication duly requesting such notices. Three, the schedule of the regular meetings and workshop sessions of the municipal council for the year 2025 2026 was prominently posted in the lobby of city
hall first floor in the place reserved for the announcements of this type. Four, the schedule of the regular meetings and workshop sessions of the municipal council for the year 2025 2026 was duly filed with the municipal clerk. And five, a copy of the schedule of
regular meetings of the municipal council was mailed to any person who requested and paid the fee authorized by the open public records act. Council president, >> thank you. So before we get started, I just want to say number one, the special meeting per the administration item was
removed from the agenda. So, we will not have the special meeting special meeting item on tonight. There's still some concerns with the uh negotiations per the administration. Item 31 is going to be pushed out until uh January.
Um can we do payment of bills? Madam clerk, >> good evening everyone. Um, council members, uh, just to make a note, uh, you have a payment of a summary of dispersements of, uh, two payments, um, payroll, two payments,
payroll payments, um, totaling 11,24,279. Um, computer checks for 28,977,67.91. Um, if you look at the general government government, there's 10,766,42964. Those are two uh health insurance
payments. Um, in addition, there's also a PS&G big payment of over 400,000. The board of education, there's a payment in there. Uh there's also PI Valley Suridge for $4,285,823.82.
And just for the record, the board of education payment is 6,78,727.92. So total computer checks 28,977,67.91. payroll two um two payrolls of 11,24,27 uh 207 uh with 9 and the total for the summary of dispers dispersements is
40,181,815. My motion is for payment of bills. >> Second. >> Thank you, madam clerk. Roll call. >> Second by whom? Councilman Khaled. >> Roll call on the workshop session. I'm work I'm sorry. Payment of bills in the
amount of 40 million. >> Discussion. Councilman Jackson. >> I would like to get some answers on the um on this large dispersement. I'm sorry. I just heard you read it off. I'm looking for it. for for PSG
>> the 400,000 payment >> correct >> what is it >> president >> uh madam um chair >> uh CFO There are two payments for PACG for electric. um 110,08423
another 110,87326 and there's a payment for PSNG for street light for November for 227,16141 and this is in page 18 of 22. >> So I mean I don't know uh maybe um
director Manny can answer that question. Are we being charged for anytime when when we're sending public service these um requests to do repairs? Is this what this is for or is this for use of service? >> No.
for usage. Councilman, >> I'm sorry. >> Free usage. >> For usage. >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, now two other things. The grant funding line item 3.1 that that expenditure is for what exactly?
>> It's several items. It's Vista Park, Westside Park, a bunch of There's several items. Council. So, can I get a list of what those items are outside of just several items? I know we could spend money on several things, but
what exactly is 3.1? Where where where would I find those items that accumulate to 3.1? Why are we writing computer checks and in some and then we're doing um payroll checks for three an amount
less than $400,000? So, when you go to um the page that starts with the letter G, those are all the grant payments. >> Letter G. >> Yes. And there, like I said, there's payments to Vista Park, Wetside Park,
um several police grants, several opioid grants, they're all listed there. Antiviolence grants. Okay, never mind. I I I'll go through that later. Last question. The um
offduty police officers. 278,000. What is that for? Is that for movie shoots that we that we've been um recently? >> Um that's payments for of duty officers
um for whatever work they did. they get paid uh through company. The money comes to us and we just pay them for the work they've done. >> So if a police officer does work for PSNG um they get paid through that PSNG pays us and we just pay them.
>> I I know the process what I'm what I'm what I'm asking is specifically this sum of $278,000. Is it for road work? Is it for work that's being done for shooting of
movies? What is it for? >> I would have to send that to you. >> Which page would I find those on? >> That's not in here. >> Why would it not be in here? >> Expenditure, right? >> Payroll. Payroll is not detailed in here. >> All the vendor checks are detailed in here.
>> I can send that to you though. >> All right. I appreciate that. >> Roll call. Madam clerk. Roll call on the payment of bills in the amount of 40,181,815. Councilwoman Cotton. U Madame Clerk, um please let the record reflect that I have excused myself from payment of
bills. >> Recused. >> Recused. Okay. Thank you. >> It's it's difficult to hear. Um I'm sorry, >> Councilwoman Davlin. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Councilman Jackson. >> No. >> Do that before. >> Councilman Khik. >> Yes. >> What a discussion. Councilman Mendes.
>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Let the record reflect that out of 40 million, we have 11 million for for payroll, P Valley Water Commission, $4.2 million. Board of Education, $6.7 million. Agenda Government, $10 million. My vote is yes, Madam Clerk.
>> Thank you, Councilman. Councilman Omar, >> my vote is yes, madam clerk. >> Thank you, Councilman Uden. Councilman Veles, absent. Absent. Council President, >> my vote is yes, Madam Clerk. >> Thank you. The votes are five in favor,
one against, two absent. The payment of bills is hereby adopted. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. At this time, I would like to call We have a special presentation. I would like to call up uh council vice president and our former council president, Councilman Mendes, as
we do a special presentation on tonight. >> Officer, >> officer, if you can ask assemblymen to come in. Let's go. Assembly man. Yes. >> So, is it it is customary that here on
the council that the uh council president will present and a plaque to one of the council people that are outgoing um and not outgoing just to leave, but to move on up and go into the state to become our uh a legislative
assemblyman of the 35th district. So, I wanted to make sure I called up my council vice president, his uh neighbor, Councilwoman Cotton, and then if any other council members want to join, uh, Councilman Ibby, who um is now in the six ward, and Councilman Mendes was the
president at the time. And I want you to know that we did we did not forget you, but this is just a small token of appreciation on behalf of the city council for the work that you've done here. And we look forward to our partnership with you as you are a legislator and fighting for money for
the city of Patterson. >> And I probably would say I want to apologize because you should have gotten this as soon. Okay. But we won't say why it wasn't done. But it's okay. No, on a
serious note, um Al, you were missed, but we're happy that you are now in another place where you can help us even more. Not just help the city of Patterson, but also five other towns, municipalities. Okay? So, we thank you for all the hard work. We thank you for
making history. We appreciate you. and we will hold your feet to the fire cuz you know and I want to say thank you to the senator to yourself and to assembly woman Shamanda Sumpter we were able to secure an additional $2 million and that
was all the hard work of the LD35. So with that said congratulations I'll hug you next week. Okay. >> Thank you Councilman. now former councilman, now assemblyman of the 35th Legislative District. It was
an amazing blessing to work with you and you work really hard uh not only for the city's work but for the entire city of Patterson. Um you're not going anywhere. Now we have you in Trenton fighting for more affordable housing for our community, for more funding for our public school, and you you're going to
continue that fight in Toronto and we're behind you every step of the way. But thank you for the great job that you did for the great city of Patterson. >> Thank you. I just want to wish you well. um Assemblyman Al Alaz. We sat together for seven years. Um I wish you well. I know you will do well down there. Um and
it's about um partnership with all other SE senators and assembly people um to get the best things that we can give for our city. So I truly appreciate you and I know you would do well down there in Trenton. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you, Evie. Assemblyman, you know as much
as I do how much we rely on you here in this city, especially when you served us, but now you're going to continue to serve us in Trenton. And I can't find a better person for that job. Congratulations, and thank you for serving us with integrity throughout these eight years. >> Councilman, assemblymen,
you'll be doing you'll be doing doing bigger and better things for us in in Trentor for for uh city of Patterson. Congratulation from day one. I have been supportive of you when we appointed you unanimously in the city council and also
your last um primary to the uh regular election and I'm glad to call you a friend and now we do I do have a true friend in tention. Congratulations. >> Now the real talk begins.
I remember uh one day Al um challenged my stat sheet. You know, I was as I was being inducted in the top 100 players of the city and for the high school and being a part of the only undefeated state championship team, he he questioned my stat sheet.
I mean, wins and losses speak for themselves. Now, I have an opportunity to question his stat sheet. we as a community, we have an opportunity to see what he will do while he's in Trenton. Um,
many of you know I wasn't very favorable. I think we got an upgrade, by the way. Um, I was not very favorable while he was here because we were always in opposition. In fact, even tonight,
his celebration for being appointed to the assembly and then winning the election, of course, has denied me an opportunity to present a measure to remove us from the Garden State growth zone, which I'm very curious about how
the the assemblymen st stands on that because as it stands, the Garden State growth zone has now allowed us to input more than 500 new pilots onto our city budget of which Councilman Abdelaziz
stood firmly against Brooks Slope, one of the only housing developments owned by residents who actually lived there. He stood firmly against that during his tenure as a councilman. So now, council president decides that,
which I think is very important. I'm I'm happy to celebrate your your departure, but I think that the work as the council is very important to make sure that our residents who pay taxes in here don't have to be continuously overrun by buildings that are being built at an
alarming rate with 50 to 100 plus units that are not paying taxes for 10 years, zero taxes, that have 30-year tax abatements. and we find it more necessary to celebrate which again I
don't think that we should not have had the celebration but I think that the item in which I hard to write because corporation council neglected to write it after I made a request over two months ago for us to write legislation
to remove us from the Garden State growth zone so we can stop bleeding out and stop giving outside developers tax abatement. Instead, we find it better suit to celebrate an outgoing councilman. So,
I'm celebrating with you. I am proud of you. I'm I'm going to talk a lot of crap about you all the time, the way I normally do, but I will be keeping track of your stat sheet. And if it's beneficial to the community, I will be your biggest cheerleader. But when it's not, I will be the one to call you out
on it, as I am right now. This council has been a failure. It's been a failure when Councilman Abdelaziz was here and now his departure was still a failure. His brother shaking his head. I don't understand why when we have when we went from having
>> I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. When we went from having one page of pilots for 50 years and now we have over 500. One page that had less than 20 pilots. And for those that don't know,
pilots is payment in lie of taxes. That means the developer pays no taxes for 10 years and after that there's a 5% increase per year for 30 years. How many homeowners have the same luxury? I see Miss Watkins just walked in. How
many homeowners have the same luxury? >> How am I out of order? This is council business I'm discussing. This is council business that's very relevant to the state. the new state assemblyman. He the state is the one who
wrote the legislation, >> but the council has the ability to remove us from this from this from this uh measure. But instead, we'd rather bring uh items forward that present 192
units with no parking. This is the type of unit uh uh things that the council's doing. So, you're right. I'm upset because I worked hard over the last 40 days writing this legislation.
I have a I have a a council person and a state assemblyman in the room tonight who deserves to do his work. Mr. Charles Baron, Councilman of Brooklyn, Assemblyman in Brooklyn, who stopped who stopped single-handedly stopped
gentrification in Brooklyn, who made sure that rent rates was kept at $500 to $1,400, not from $1,400 to $3,000. Mr. Abdelaziz, you can probably take a couple notes from him. Listen, >> very good.
>> Congratulations. Wait, wait. Council President, council vice president, I want to thank you for allowing me to be here and honor me with this plaque. One thing they learned, they teach you in
Trenton. When the crazies on the other side speak, you don't take the bait. >> So, I want you to take track of my track record. I want you to take score because my first action in the assembly was to bring a4 million dollars for a community center on Hopper Street in your ward for
the for the church right on Hopper Street. The $2 million that we brought the city to reduce the tax levy from 5% to 2% was the work of Senator Wimberly, Assemblyman Albaziz, and Assemblyman Siobhan Sumpter. So you keep taking track in less than a year. We're
bringing the resources back to Patterson. But Trenton has taught me a lot. It taught me to fight. It's teached me to fight. But more importantly, this city council is what set the standard for me. And all I
urge is work together. >> When you have an issue in this state, Councilman, call our office. I will gladly work with any legislation that's going to move this city forward and the 35th district. And I say that to everyone in this room. I say that to every single resident in the city of
Patterson. We are working hard and trained. I'll give you one thing and trans a little different than city council. I do not get out of my seat when we're on that chamber. I can assure you that. Um there's progress being made. We're
working very hard. And to all the council members, the whole state watches you. We all have to work together because people's needs need to be met. There's affordability issue. There's people that are going hungry right now. There's people that are cold. But coming
together, we need to come and work together. And I'm gladly my door is going to be open. I I'm a resident here. I'm not leaving here. I'm a taxpayer here. And I'm going to tell you, the same way I fall in this chamber is the same way I'm falling down in in in trade. God bless you all. Thank you
again for for this. Take a picture. Hallelujah. >> Thank you. Praise God. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Second reading items. I see uh Mr. Smallwood here.
Those items are moving forward to final vote next week. Mr. Smallwood, your item will be on the final vote next week. We're moving it forward. >> Which one? >> Item number 16. >> Which one is it? >> It's a second reading.
>> Item number 16. Uh, this is a reappointment to the board. Do you want uh Councilman Jackson? You want her on regular or consent? >> What is it >> for Miss uh Betty Simmons to be re reappointed? >> Consent. >> So, number 16, number 17, number 18.
Council Cotton, do you want your reappointment? Consent or regular? >> Regular. >> Number 19. Consent. Councilman Blesz, do you? 20. Do you want yours on consent or regular? >> A consent is good. >> Number 20 is on consent. Madam clerk
for finance items 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33. These are all renewals. They're all on consent.
36 for police and fire. >> Consent. >> This is for police is consent number 36. >> Correct. >> Number public works. We'll start with item 37.
Director O'Hada. So I'm happy to see that there's a lot of first wards um streets that we p we advocated for North Second Halpine are all on repaven. You have four ward Mercer Lawrence Street
and Lawrence Place Chamberlain and a few others. So I think everyone will be in agreement with these road reservicings. So 37 38 our consent. Council President, >> Council Member BZ, and also these items were discussed in DPWW committee under
the chair, uh, Councilwoman Cotton. Uh, Council Member, >> thank you. I apologize to the audience. Um, I came a little bit late because I was in a funeral. Um, at the same time, congratulation to Councilman, former Councilman Adelizes as our state
legislator now. Um but on 37 uh regarding the road resurfing um we almost a year or two years ago we uh implemented the ordinance for speed hump or speed bump in the city of Patterson.
A lot of this role are a little bit wide they are long. If it's possible that in the bid process uh that they could include the study to install speed hump or speed bump in those streets that u
are mainly high um accidents uh um um recorded already um if it's possible shamboline and uh and other streets that are wide to see it to we could kill the bird in one shot and if they resurface at the same time they could install the speed humps and then the residents could
come back can say they did it right. Oh, if you could look into that or or or the purchase agent when you guys are doing the scope of work on those roles uh to see if it's met to put speed humps or speed bumps uh based on the ordinance
because the ordinance already established uh the the ordinance already was in is in place. So a lot of residents are calling for uh reduce a u speed speed hump will be good and will be a good thing for pedestrian safety in
those area. Uh thank you council president. >> Thank you. Item 39 is the award of contract to gator recycling uh for the disposal of waste in the city yard. 39. As we know there for the public that is
not aware, present or watching, there is a public committee committee and there are four members of this council that are assigned to that committee. Um, and they did have a couple meetings. Uh, this item was discussed. I'm requesting it go on consent.
Number 40 is disposal of solid waste which is connected to that consent and the e execution of the federal aid agreement. >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Council President. Which which items you saying going on consent? >> We haven't got to fill code. We're talking about item 39, 37,
and 38. A road reservicing for the first and fourth ward. >> I could go on consent. >> That's what No, he's asking. >> Oh, okay. >> 38, 38, and 39. >> No, 37 and 38 are road resurfacings in the first and fourth ward. And then 39
is the uh pickup of the waste in the city. regular 39. >> 39 is regular. Number 40. >> Can we get I mean listen. >> Okay. I'm sorry. You continue first and
then uh are we are we going to have a discussion on what we're doing with the solid waste? >> Well, we we can and I wanted to have a a better discussion when we get to number 11, which we really have to have a conversation about the pickup of the garbage collection. So, we can uh there
was several committee meetings in regards to this, but um the director the uh director can speak to um these items if you need him. Uh we're going to number 40. >> Council President. >> Director. >> Yes, Madame Chair. Council Cotton.
>> Is Councilman Jackson talking about number 39? 39. If you look at the resolution, uh Gator was the cheapest. He gater was the lowest bidder for that item. They were the lowest bidder. >> Okay. So, here's the thing,
>> Councilman Jackson. >> And this is where >> and that's that's where Harry comes in. >> Councilman Jackson. >> So, citywide residents are extremely disappointed with the services that
they're receiving. And in many cases residents don't understand the nuances of the the variance be behind contract with gada contract with gohead fieldco and etc. I think that, you know, it's
it's fine and great to have a discussion in committee, but we should definitely have some details outlined to the public in workshop specifically when it comes to um not just solid waste, but what you know, management of the um recycling
services, management of of uh of uh bulk pickup services and etc. I I I know that you guys are having some challenges. We we still the the the entire council needs to have an outline of where these deficiencies are when it comes to
recycling. There's days when recycling gets picked up a day or two after you know the the public should have an understanding of what you know what the issues are. Are you guys understaffed? Are you guys under facilitated with equipment?
>> What are the issues? So I know that you know these are various items that are speaking about variable different things. We can start with the um with number 39 which is the the the or was it 49? Um >> no it was 39. >> Yeah the contract with gator for for
recycling >> if I may c. >> So director can you give an overview as to the pickup of solid waste in the city art please for 39. >> There's three compartments. >> Three. So there was
>> there the Cityard garbage pickup was put out to bid. >> Yeah. >> We had Coastal before which is located on Third Avenue. When purchasing agent put out the the the next bid that was due, Gator came in as the lowest bidder.
>> Gator's located in West Railway. Therefore, the city's garbage, the city's garbage goes will be going to West Broadway to Gator. It used to go to Coastal. It won't be going to Coastal no West Broadway. >> West Railway. >> Oh, West Railway. Okay. >> Off of Crooks A. >> Yeah.
>> So that's where the city yards garbage would go at >> as far as Coanta, which is we >> Okay. Before you continue, so when we talking about city waste, we're talking about all of the items that the public is allowed to come and drop off at the
city, the items that you guys pick up when somebody's dumping on the side of the road and etc. >> That is correct. >> Okay. And so this is us carting it to them. >> That is correct. >> Very good. This does not include what
Philo is dumping. >> No. >> Okay. What's this? What's the >> There's three separate contracts. So So Gada will take in the garbage from the city yard, stuff that the department collects throughout the city, dumpings and all. As far as Filco's concerned,
Filco picks up all the housing and residents garbage twice a week in each areas. That garbage goes to WeWill, which is Coanta, which is located on Stra Street and Lawrence, and that's that vicinity. >> That's where that garbage goes to.
>> Okay. Okay. As far as um so you have three of them. You have Rewill that uh Filo's garbage goes to and then you're going to have Gator which is our city yard goes to and then the Filco contract is where the hauler picks up all the garbage for all the residents and
merchants. Understood. And the uh what the bid the bid was what was the bid amount >> for which uh >> 39 the one that's going to uh gator?
I'm looking at it. It's a >> one second. I'll get it for >> 17. I got >> what number he's on now. >> So in the resolution, >> huh, >> it gives you the complete breakdown of what the biz came in, >> right? In the resolution,
>> price per ton, right? >> Excuse me. >> Price per ton. >> Yes. So if you look at the resolution in the back page, it gives you the complete breakdown of all the the quotes that that the purchasing received.
>> Understood. Understood. Thank you. >> I appreciate it. >> Thank you, director. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you, director. Consent number 40. Similar cons. >> Oh, 39 is regular. Yes.
>> Number 40. Madam clerk >> consent, you said >> 41 is consent. >> Madame clerk, public portion. We're going to open up public portion. Madam clerk, >> is 41 consent. >> Council president. >> Yes, >> council president. >> We're going to open
>> uh council president. Um the item um number six. >> We haven't done number six. >> Okay, good. Yeah. >> Oh, and let's do uh Phil Cole. Oh, Phil. >> Before we do public number 11. Hey,
>> Phil Coco. Can you give a brief overview for the renewal of the Phil Co contract to pick up the garbage? >> The renewal for Filco is a one-year renewal that is that is in their contract. So, it's going to be for one year to renew the contract for them
to picking up the garbage. What number >> for? That's number 11. >> 11. >> That's to pick up the garbage from the merchants and the residents. >> Um if we don't vote on this number 11, come January 1st, there won't be no garbage pickup.
>> Yeah. >> Throughout the whole city. >> We don't want to. We don't want that mess. >> Good. No, it's good. >> Council President. >> Council Councilman Vez. Okay. >> Councilman Jackson. So, director, this
is a one-year extension. >> Yes. >> From January 1 to uh December December 26. >> Okay. And um this is the contract amount. What was it? Was it has it been an
increase from uh from the previous services? I don't see anything here. Um, >> and I know I know the last bid amount we we we um >> there was a three-year contract, correct? >> It was a It was a three-year contract
that >> So, at this rate, this is a Is this actually lower than what we were paying? Wasn't a three-year contract. The 30 $35 million. What was it? What was the previous contract amount? Mr. Val council president
>> madam um Mr. PA Jackson, you are correct. The first year we did this on September 1st, 2024 to December 31st, 2025 and the amount 7,73 to 1805.
Then with the at two of the then part of those three years was also with the stipulation that they can be renewed for two one year one year periods and that's what we exercising right now. >> We're on year one the first year
extension. >> Yes it is one. So it was three years the first the first shot and now we exercised the first year contract extension after the KD one finished we
will still have another another one >> another one >> we still have another option for an additional year extension >> yes >> were were those rates spelled out before the uh there was the agreement or what is this current rate >> this current rate is being based on what
it was it was pre-prescribed during the during the initial agreement or was this a rate that we found based upon how much tonnage we're actually picking up or what what is this calc what is this how are they deriving at this figure >> the numbers were stipulated the moment
that we open the bids they had no changes >> the initial bid >> exactly okay >> and we exercising that >> so we already understand year two extension we know what that that number >> that's correct >> okay all right very good now
Um, I believe this is a question for uh Mr. Ibushi. Um, I know that we had some challenges with regard to whether or not we were going to allow for them to take on the bulk pickup considering the bulk pickup is now what's giving us the
biggest issue. I understand it opened us potentially opened us up for litigation if uh if we move beyond the the former uh agreement with um Rosselli and allow for field coat to do the uh the the bulk
pickup. What what do we what what is our plan for this year and next year for bulk? Are we going to continue to do it the way we've been doing it? What's this what what is the administration's plan? I mean, we hope I mean, director, you can speak on it. You have the
consultant, you have the consultant numbers regarding to that. >> In this case, if we award that one-year contract, >> then at that point, it allows us to look, it gives us more time to look at the overview of the whole thing. We did get an expert in that gave us the numbers and all that the city is
actually saving the dollars amount. That was also submitted. We can submit it again if we need to or have that discussion at committee uh DPW committee, but we're going to continue doing it the way we've been doing it at this point right now. >> If if at some point the council wants to
look at other different avenues, you will have that because you're only doing the one-year contract, >> right? >> Understood. But >> once again, I'm not part of the committee and neither is the public. public should be should have an outstanding committee. >> You are
>> you are on the TPW committee. >> Yes, you are. >> Oh, guess what? That's news to me. That's news to me. >> No, you get the emails. director. I don't participate in the committee process because of things that happened like today when I go through
the process and I made a request of my item being placed on the today's agenda for discussion and it's denied and me coming through. This just this has nothing to do with you. This is a matter of clarity to the public and to coun fellow council members for
understanding. I mean, again, I don't have discussions behind closed doors and not allow the public to be privy to what these discussions are. If we have a contract before us that has now saved us a million dollars a year and then you're
now saying that you presented information that proved that we had a substantial savings by us doing the bulk pickup inhouse. Okay. So, as a responsible council member, we should be
looking at where did that excess money go? Is the mayor spending it on cutting ribbons or are we giving pay increases and and giving your department more employees to to to to provide a more
substantial service? because I understand we're saving money, but if you ride around the city and the rate that the uh bulk pickup is being picked up at, it's not it's not sufficient. Having guys work overtime
and possibly not feeling up to to to snuff to doing that work on the weekends is not a substantial a suitable way in which our city should be functioning. So, okay, I can take place I can take part in a in a in a closed door discussion,
but I still want to have that discussion in public. What is the savings? How much did we actually um realize in savings by doing the uh bulk pickup in house if there was who did this? Who did the study?
We had um an outside uh um uh expert give us the numbers, consultant give us the numbers and he did the whole studies and all which was uh submitted. Um I can get you all the information or the BA could give give you the information but
it was it was it was done. Councilman, >> how much is the savings? Mr. Spales, >> I think it's 200,000. I don't have a quarter 400. Wait, wait a minute. Council members
said it was4 million. This is saying it's $4.6 million. Is it $4.6 million savings by us doing bulk pickup in-house? >> I think it was this4 million a month. >> Okay. So, do you understand my point?
We're saving $4 million. So, what are we doing with that money? because the services that I mean listen this is no shade or slight on what the job the G the DPW is is offering you guys are doing you're working what was what's was being
given to you but is your is it is the uh is that department completely filled who who actually does the the bulk pickup is it recycling >> streets and roads >> streets and roads >> streets and roads we have every position filled streets and roads
>> at this point so far. Yes. >> There's no vacancies. >> No, there's vacancies. >> So, how do we have every If you say yes, we have every position filled and yes, there's vacancies. Which one is it? >> Well, at this point, we're operating with what we have, but we there are vacancies.
>> How many vacies? Off the top of my head, I don't know, but >> approximately percentage wise, a large percentage, small percentage, >> there could be possibly anywhere between 10 10 and 20 vacancies. >> 10 to 20 vacancies >> throughout the department. So, we saved
$4.6 million and I get calls every single day by people saying, "Hey, man, I need a job." And we have not, the administration has not found it fit that we can do some additional hiring, provide some
additional full-time employment opportunities, possibly save I mean, what is what is the average employee working in streets and roads? Just on average, what what would be a salary? Let's say 50,000 is a good number. No, it's not. >> We know it's under We know it's well
under 50. >> About 35. >> Okay. So, let's just say 50. >> Okay. >> Let's say if it's $50,000 and you said 20 to 25 vacancies. >> No, about between 20 and 10. 10 to 20 vacancies. >> Let's say it was 20.
That's a million dollars and you still pocketing $3.6 million. I I don't understand. and we're paying them now 50,000 versus paying them 35. So, and I know these are not questions for you to answer, but do you understand? Does
anybody understand my point? >> I mean, it's not it's not rocket science. We have a very poor service that's being rendered. Not due to the job that you guys are doing. You're doing the best that you can with your
with what you're working with. The administration is failing not just you but the public by not allowing you equipping you with we can give everybody in your division in that division pay increases
and hire 20 additional people and still see a substantial savings. So I I don't know. I mean, I I look at things a little bit differently and I'm I'm just trying to understand. And again, I do appreciate it, director. I
will not be having discussions like this in in in committee. Discussions like this need to happen in a public forum where the public can hear exactly what's going on. If we have a savings of $4.6 $6 million and we still have the
deplorable conditions out in the street where you guys are now being forced to be overworked. We got to go out there and pick up things that people are dumping because bulk is not being picked up. There's a there's a lot of ramifications off of poor management. So, I I'll rest it there. Thank you,
Council President. >> Council member Vaz, and then Council um Mendes. >> Thank you, Council President. Um, we did discuss this real deep in the our committee a couple times. Uh, one one thing that we don't want to see is what
happened when we did the switch between Rosali and Phil go that caught us off guard and the last day on December and all the garbage was all over. So, it's necessary to uh comply with this RFP
that was three years consecutive to renew a year after year until a new RFP comes out. Um I know that Harris Savalo is working hard uh to make sure that um any other contract that comes from from
them to us regarding garbage collection uh met the needs of the city and the resident of Patterson. Um, one thing I I got to say, we we discussed it way before when Councilman um um Mendes was the president. Uh we lay out how it's
going to work. You guys lay out how it's going to work. Um DPW is going on and beyond to trying to maintain our city clean. Um and I could testify on that because when I send things, they jump right away and and do
it. Um we this council DPW nobody sitting in the audience has control of unresponsible individuals homeowners and restaurant owners or or anybody out there that like to go and put everything in the car and drop it in any dead dead
spot in the city of Patterson. If you notice pictures I have taken from those u illegal dumping are containers of restaurants, garbage from restaurants, etc., etc. And and and it's not really a a dumping of furniture, whatever. And
some of those furniture probably come from residents of Patterson that day. They they just put it everywhere. They don't see a light um in the city of Patterson. Um one thing is I I want and we discuss it. We discussed this in
committee. Um the the administration with the consultant of DPW uh are willing again to shop around to put the paper back uh the plan together to see if they could go out and bid with bulk
and bid without buck to see what's going to happen. Um and that was discussed in in in committee. Um, I'm satisfied with uh the information that we got, but we don't want to get sued if we don't move forward with this uh resolution in front
of us for next week. Um once again in the issue of eliminating bulk from the garbage collection in the beginning they present us the numbers at committee and
they went out and they RFP with and without bulk and there was a big different regarding the saving. I left that to the administration, to the BA, the CFO to uh give us the real numbers of how much we are saving and how much
really we could invest or put back uh into the DPW in equipment. If we are saving, we should put back in equipment. we should put back in in benefit for those employees from DPDL all around the city and and and and make sure that the
saving is delivered back to the city employees. One of the things I I question is that in a couple meetings back the administration stated that they purchased two trucks
um and I think it was going to be through recycling and those two trucks was going to be covering downtown the remaining that's what the conversation was that they was going to collect the garbage of the day remaining that day
FCO was not contracted for example But they got two days in downtown that the remaining four days uh that um we don't have in that contract that DPW was going to use those two trucks to make sure downtown is nice and clean. I don't know
if that operation is taking place but that was the reason that we were excited to see two new trucks uh coming in to cover not only bulk also to cover the downtown area regarding the days that um
Filco is not contracted to pick up those days. uh downtown was 6 days. You know, those stores do not do not have back door back rooms to hold all that garbage. Uh they cannot place it in front of the stores because it looks
awful. So, um, the administration had to look into moving forward to see to do a little extra in downtown and and try to pick up more garbage days to pick up the garbage because those restaurant some of them are even paying a little bit to
other contract to take the garbage away. And um, we don't want to see another summer with a lot of rats and all that stuff in the city of Patterson. So, um, saying saying that, council president, I think the discussion was was good and I I think we should move forward uh to
vote on this next week. >> Thank you, Councilman Mendes and Council Motton. >> Thank you. Thank you, Council Press and uh Director. Um I I think you know the uh the budget that we approved reflect the quality of service that we that we plan to provide to our residents. One of
the thing that really concerns me at the last budget hearing was that there was no really budget hearing. uh the administration introduced the number, they present it and it is what it is. On in January, we're going to start a new fiscal year and I'm really hoping to see every director. I'm looking forward to
have a conversation about how we're going to allocate that money. We we need to respect our resident in the best way to respect the resident of the city, the taxpayers is by providing the services that they need. There's no it can be more excuses. Recycling needs seven
truck, seven driver, a faulty helper to complete the route. We all know that, right? So, let's stop putting excuses. We need those seven truck out there picking up the recycling for our resident. It's horrible. It's disturbing when our resident put the recycling out
and we don't pick it up. The city is filthy. Our community look dirty. There's garbage everywhere. So, we need to stop that. And the best way to start is in January with our budget hearing. I need to know exactly how much resources you need on your department. I don't
want the VA or the administration to tell me, you as a director have to tell us this is what we need. >> Now, if we saving a quarter of a million dollars a month, I need to know where where we're going to put that money. And there's the best person to let us know it's you. I'm not the director. I don't
work in public work. I'm not a supervisor. I'm a legislator. and I'm here to make the best decision on your behalf to make sure that you do the job that you're supposed to do to clean our city. So, let's have that conversation starting in January. But we don't want to hear from the administration. So,
after we approve the budget, we got to hold you accountable for the job that you have to do. I want to see those seven truck picking up the recycling. I want to see those seven truck out because we get the call. Now in another note, we all know that after we changed uh uh and we got into the uh contract
with field call and we now we picking up the bulk in house dumping has been out of control. We all know that. We all have that conversation. I've been against the so-cal scheduling. I've been very vocal. Um, I've been reaching out to different city and the way they do it
just they have one day out of the month for every area to put the stuff that they don't need out and we pick it up. Something simple. We have a lot of seniors that they don't know how to schedule it. We have a new app. I'm all about teamwork and I'm promoting the app. I want to make sure that people
understand what they need to do and sometime I have to do it for them because they still don't know. Now all the city they give you one day out of the month. Everybody has a schedule like recycling and you put that chair at the table that you don't need out and they pick it out. All this scheduling thing
all the city that they are more sophisticated than us in term of services and more advanced than us in term of all the different department they don't do this scheduling and they doing great with that. We're going to have a conversation after that. I know we have to approve fil. I know we have
to, you know, we get, we will be in litigation, but we need to have a conversation about the bulk. You need to know, you have to let us know what's the problem with the bulk, the staff, the me power, what do we need? I'm in support of the bulking house because we create more job. We give people the opportunity
to work in the city. >> Yes. >> If we saving a quarter of a million dollars a month, let's put that money back into the department, to hire the staff and the team that we need to clean the city. But that have to come from you from the department not from the administration. You are the one that
handling and holding the department. So that's the conversation that I'm looking forward to have and we have no other choice other than approve field call for one more year and the conversation starting John. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you um u madame president. I
just want to say um to you director um we were not obligated to go back with Phil Co, but in order to um not say renew this contract, we should have went out in September. We should have went out in September that we wanted to see
what Buck going to look like with with um without Buck. Um as you know, they had a convention and I went to the convention, Leagues of Cities. um spoke with several garbage companies and actually not many of them want to pick
up buck no more. Most of them do not want buck. Roselli is really known as Suburban. That's their name. They're the only one that I know that still may do buck. But in order for us to have not used this contract, we would have to go
out like in September. When you go RFP, you got to give it two months. You got to give it two months or at least for them to come back with the bid. Then you sit there, you you watch them open the bed, you see what the price is. And even though I know that we're saving money,
but on the other hand, our health benefits went up 30%. So the money that we were saving with the health with the bulk is now going to the health benefits. And let me tell you, I just we had a couple employees, we had a few employees here that were
really sick employees. They were really, really sick. Their their medical bills was hitting a million dollars. Now, how do we say to an employee that we're not going to pay your medical bills when we you're working for the city? So, if we're going to renew this contract and
then next year, we got to go out in September or in August that we're going to go out and include buck and then do not include buck. And like I said, you have most companies now who do not want to pick up buck. Um, I see that there's
this company out there now that's buying all garbage companies. So, this one company's going to have a monopoly on garbage pickup, which is going to affect us dearly uh with pricing. So, if we wanted council members, we could have
went out in September for we could have went out in September. you we we we really wasn't obligated to to take this. But Septe when January 1 come and you have no garbage contract, your garbage is not
going to get picked up. This is not going to get picked up. And I remember 25 years ago, at least maybe 30 years ago when New York City had that garbage track. It was a mess. It was a mess. I saw it every year. It had to be 30 years ago that it happened. But that's what we
have to look at now. next time, you know, we got to redo this one year because January 1st come, nobody's picking up garbage. >> Councilman Omar, >> so we have to make sure that we do it ahead of time with the B uh our person agent, which is our acting BA for today.
But just remember when these when he opens up the bids, he has to make sure that this company can fulfill the bid. You have to make sure and that's why you have to make sure certain things are in place for this company and I've seen
them go to the second bidder to the third bidder because the first bidder didn't have their paperwork right or the second bidder didn't have their paperwork right. So next year we have to go out earlier if we're going to go to and I think we need to look at buck and without buck. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you council Khan. Council um Omar. No, I just want to say I definitely agree with Councilman Khan, but also the only I 99% of the bulk pickups that are that I put in for the six board have gotten picked up in a timely fashion. I just only wish that instead of it being every 3 weeks, we can do it maybe every
two weeks or just if we're going to keep it in house, >> continue to improve it. That's all. So I just want council president >> before council bless council Jackson but before you speak so with the savings um to our ba and to our director it showed
the 4.6 million it's not an accurate number of 4.6 because I don't see the the amount of overtime that has been utilized to do bulk that has to be in there. We have to talk about the cost of dumping that bulk at the site that
should be equated in there. So 4.6 4.6 is not the accurate amount. So when we show the savings, can we make sure that we include all of those items that come out of that 4.6? 4.6 is what comes in the beginning. So we can't say we'll
utilize it to hire x amount of people because 4.6 is not an actual number. 4.6 is what it is, but then we got to look at how much overtime has been utilized, how many people, what are the hours? All of those things have to be considered. But I agree totally with Councilman
Mendes. We have budget hearings. Last last year was flat, but this year I'm expecting uh the director of every department to come with your request to say in order for our department to run. This is what we need. This is what it
will take. We'll look at the numbers. You know, in times past, this council has worked and we did capital improvement. You needed trucks. You got them. You needed snow equipment. You got everything that you asked for and all the department has asked for. you receive them. So if you think it's going
to take X amount to do the job, then just make that in your request. But I would like to see from a BA's perspective, what is the true dollar amount? Because we can say we want all these things, but the taxpayers are saying they don't want their taxes to increase. So to get all this extra stuff, we have to do a higher tax
increase. So we have to make sure that we're not saying do all this stuff and then we say taxpayers, we have to increase your taxes by 5%. That's a concern. So, we want to make sure we give a a true picture to the residents because we just adopted a budget at only
2% which is mandated by our agreement because we are a tax a tax deficit city, right? We've been that way for transitional aid. We've been on transitional aid for 30 years. So, I know a lot of people, you know, believe different things, but I just want to
make sure that when it comes to this, right, in order for us to bring more people in, which we need more people, not just in your department, but other departments, there are other departments that are revenue generating departments, but we have to make sure that the cost to do it and to bring it in does not go
on the back of the taxpayers. So, just make sure we get those that information. We get the correct um print out. Councilman Vez, and then Councilman Jackson. Thank you, Council Council President. So, the reason I I interjected because Councilman Mendes
stated something that um is a wish list. Let's be clear those out there that knows how government works and he been here long enough to to know this. The mayor asks the administration,
administration asks the mayor to go and communicate with their directors to see and prepare a budget what they need a wish list. Director of library could testify on
this. You could ask director has been in those process before they present the budget to us. They ask them the wish list, prepare your department budget. Then they present it to us. We do a
hearing and we go over page by page and whatever is there and they ask for more is not there. They control the wish list of them to come here and present it to us and then we approve if
we want to approve that budget. Matter of fact, I'm going to give you an example. Past hearing they have been coming here, we go over salary and wages. We cannot move a lot there. It's contra contractual. But when it comes up to equipment, putting more employees,
putting more resources to the departments, the administration comes here, and I'm not talking about this BA, previous BA, have the directors explain us the
budget. And from that point, we could say we want to strike this from this line item, we want to move this from here, we want to move this here. You know where it goes? deaf ears, they don't do it and they stay hanging because then they had to work whatever
the ministration give them even if they have a wish list. In other words, the wish list goes to the administration thinking that they going to be Santa Claus, but then the administration turned into the Grinch because they had
to work whatever they have. So that idea that Councilman Mendes have it sounds good but the reality is every director, every department put the wish list, tell them how many employees they need, how many trucks, equipments or
whatever, but the administration is the one putting the handcuff on those director to be able to work. That's why we need somebody administration to understand the department heads and also understand the employees of the city of Patterson. Okay. >> Thank you, Council.
>> Thank you, Councilman. Councilman Jackson. >> So, I apologize to everyone here having to deal maneuver this elongated discussion. I'm just going to say this a couple things. First of all, whatever they said was totally incorrect for Councilman Mendes. And I see and I I
appreciate the professionalism and the respect. I'm not going to put anyone on on blast, but certain people have to look at and be like, "What are you talking about?" To say that it's the director's responsibility to bring forward what they need is not the administration. The administration
is the one that does the hiring. He sat here and clearly said his department, that division alone is short 20 employees. The entire department is probably short over a hundred. You can't render
adequate services if you don't have the manpower to do so. Then council president talking about the 4.6 is not an accurate reading that came directly from a from a source that the administration hired to do a
study. It's a consultant that was hired to do a study. Then to say we still have to calculate when we go dump that uh that bulk. Whenever our garbage is picked up, we get charged in two segments. The
pickup and the and the uh the bulk the uh the the um what's it called? >> But it's called something else. Tipping our tipping fees. So tipping fees is not associated with the contract bid for
picking up the the garbage, whatever those whatever that tipping fees are. That's why it was very important whenever we whenever we saw garbage trucks pulling up in front of somebody's house doing an illegal pickup and possibly taking, you know, debris that
was being uh um demo demoed because then it would cost us additional money because this this contract has nothing to do with the tipping fees. And I'm going just, you know, be very brief because I don't want anybody to get tired here, but Councilwoman Cotton said
to say that we had to go out. The bid actually went down a million. We saved a million dollars. If we would have went out the bid again, guaranteed it would have been it would have been up. Guaranteed it would have been up. We actually saved a million dollars. And instead of taking that million dollars
and putting it back to work along with the savings, hiring the adequate staff, we haven't done so. I'm going to tell you why we haven't done so. And this is just an FYI for all of you residents of here. And I'm I'm disappointed. Director, we have members of the public
coming. They got to keep their winter coats on. I mean, I know it's cold outside, but we just got a brand new boiler. The boiler is not working. >> All right. So, I apologize. But part of the reason why we're not doing the the adequate hiring and as as uh Councilman
um uh Omar alluded to, I think it was Councilman Omar with regard to Mr. Fleming's budget, he's here fighting every single day to try to for the library. We're s we're seeing that we had a $4.6 million savings. You would think that we would inject that into our
youth into something positive. No, but we don't even have where it's being spent. Councilman Valz talked about the budget hearing. We didn't have one. But bud, did you guys participate in the budget hearing this year? We did not. We didn't have a budget hearing. On the
flip side, the BA the mayor hired quit within 6 months because the personnel director was signing off on on on 375s illegally that he found out and he said, "I'm not going to be here for that." So, all of a sudden, they both mysteriously
resigned. So, what we're talking about is dereliction, not by these gentlemen that's standing here before us. They're not They shouldn't be taking a beating from the council. The council should be holding the administration accountable. In fact, when they when they don't do the job, we
have the ability to fire those eight employees that's over those dead departments. But has the council done so? No. What do we what has the council done? We work in collaboration with them as they taking advantage of the community. And lastly, I'll say this.
I'm going to say it again. My disappointment. I spent time developing a proposal to I mean a presentation tonight just to inform all of you residents with regard to the New Jersey the Garden State growth zone. And just a
very quick calculation when council president talked about the fact that um uh uh our taxes going up after doing my research we have we now have more than 400 active pilots on the
on our on the books. There used to be less than 20. Now there's more than 400. So let's just do a small calculation. Let's say if out of 400 of those projects if their taxes was only $25,000
a year and we know a building that has 100 units will pay more than 25,000 but 400 by $25,000 is $10 million. But we celebrate the assemblymen for
begging for $2.5 million to close the budget. But yet we allow for pilots to go through over and over again. I'm standing on a measure that the council should be supporting. We should be working together to dissolve this garden state to remove us from the Garden State
growth zone. Why am I the only one talking about it? Why am I the only one saying that we're getting beat over the head? If there was only $25,000 per development, which we know is a fraction of what they should be paying, it would
be $10 million injected into our budget. So, you tell me where are we being shorted? We're we're we're making a claim that the garbage PE uh the DPW employees aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing. We're underpaying
them, understaffing them, forcing them to do additional work. While council members say, "We shouldn't pick up every 3 weeks, we should pick up every two weeks." The administration is not putting forward more money to that department. And the council who has the
ability to do so is not doing it. But council president worked extremely hard to keep my item from being presented tonight because it was a measure that protected the integrity of the taxpayers of the community. That
right there speaks volumes on an election year. I'm I'm very surprised she decided to do that. This measure is going to bankrupt the city if we continue to allow for 200 and 300 buildings facility apartment buildings
to not pay taxes. Guess what? Guess what has to be picked up at? Guess what has to be done at those buildings? Garbage has to be picked up. Bulk has to be picked up. Recycling has to be picked up. All of which these people have to be paid. All of which services that these
developers are not paying into the levy, not paying into the services that's being provided. But yet, council president found it so fit to keep this item off the agenda tonight for a discussion for a presentation.
I'm trying to understand it. I'm trying to understand it. I appreciate you, brother, the gentlemen, um your your your presence tonight and thank you for a job. >> Thank you. So, let me let me say this and be clear. We're good. Director, like
I stated, 4.6 is what the outside consultants did. They did not include the overtime that is being produced. That's something we have to look at. They did not include the cost of all of those items are not included. Be Mr. BA
or acting BA, we have to look at that. They did their due diligence and doing their consultant analysis, which is great. that is a starting point but the rest of it has to be done internal based on and tailor made to the city's perspective in in addition to that um
the other requests that were made by the council members I know the director is watching and we're praying for his healing um can we just ensure when it comes to and I know I have to thank council cotton as the chair and those committee members that were in those meetings you had several committee
meetings a lot of great information it is not new the convers conversation of bulk. That is why it just got to the agenda because it was a heavy conversation in regards to what are steps that can be taken, what we cannot do and things that we could not even talk about based on the litigation. So I
want to commend you for giving that information in in the committee and then coming to a place of it today. So this item will be on regular madam clerk. >> Council president, >> this item will be on regular madam clerk. Item number uh 11 will be on regular.
>> Council President. >> Councilman Jackson. >> Thank you, Council President. Council President, you're absolutely incorrect. Bulk, the entire bulk program is only ran by overtime. We have not hired additional employees.
>> That's what I said. The entire program, the study that was done was done on what we're spending, which would include manh hours spent picking up bulk, which includes overtime, because bulk currently is being picked up by employees working overtime. They don't
have a >> everything that he that was calculated in there is all the cost associated with picking up bulk. >> That's misleading to say we got to calculate overtime. We got to calculate the dumping. It's all in the study. It's
associated with Am I correct? Thank you, sir. Don't mislead the public by saying it's not a true $4.6 million savings and then not hold the mayor accountable for how that money is being spent. >> It is definitely a $4.6 million savings
realized. >> So, supervisor, are you saying that 4.66 includes overtime? I don't know. >> Well, you just said you just cuz I know it's not. So, I want I need you at the mic. That 4.6% is overtime included in
that. >> No. Well, we >> The answer is no. It is not in. That's all I asked. You don't have to go. It is not included. That is why I'm asking. Let >> him answer the question. >> He just said no. >> Let him answer the question. >> He said no. >> Is it included? Is it in the the study that was made?
>> Is it all the costs associated? >> No. Is over the boat. Is overtime included? >> Yes. >> All the overtime? >> Yes. >> For how many employees? >> The ones that work. >> The ones that pick up both. >> What is the dollar amount of overtime?
>> That's better because the driver is one race. >> So, I'm going to put this to rest because it's time for public portion. But Mr. Ba, back to my point. We need the breakdown of what that is and the true analysis of the cost of what the
savings really is. We had a ma big discussion in DPW committee. That's why I'm saying it is not in there and I'm giving it to the BA not to your department. That is a part of the BA's responsibility. It is not included. So, Mr. BA, we need to get that data and that information so we can present it to
the council so we can have a more robust discussion at a later time cuz this item is for um is for a garbage pickup. U Madame clerk um thank you. Just before we go into public portion, I see our director's here and he just has the one item. Thank you, director. We have uh
the director of the library that is here. He just has an item for the library item number 42. Am I correct? This is for the exterior and the interior rehabilitation of the community center at the heritage to uh put a
library in there. Are there any questions or concerns? Any questions or concerns? Thank you, director. >> Can I can I can I just say a few words? >> Can I just say a few words about it? >> Yes, director. >> Director, how big is the room up there in Heritage? How big is it? So, so the
um the uh the the the bid that we're going out to prepare for is we received a million dollar grant uh from the state uh for a a community a uh community center. Um that space is currently used, but we're taking that space and we're just adding a library flavor to it. So,
we're upgrading everything in the space, a computer lab, uploading the gym. There is a special needs camp that spends time there. We're up we're upgrading all of their adding a satellite library. >> We're adding a satellite library. We're
adding a 247 um vending uh library book vending machine. And um we're actually um creating a an audio video um studio for for residents. Um so that's pretty much what we're doing with that space.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. >> I recommend this item on consent. >> Council President, >> uh Council Member, >> thank you. Uh I believe we we um we was in agreement. Uh we did a river cutting at the uh site um I believe heritage.
>> Yeah. >> And this is where the money is going to be implemented. Correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um can you when you get a chance um and you could send it through email >> after the renovation or the uh whatever you going to do there in that in the
heritage place, you know. Um, can you give me when we going to start our operation using of the space to see if we could uh tell the residents that um that this is open to the public, not just to the heritage uh uh facility
there. Uh we all know a lot of people you know for me library is is a must. We we had to keep continue the tradition and and make sure that kids visit the library. Uh sometime those library becomes a second home
>> um for our kids. Um some people say why libraries when we you know >> why not right the phone does everything now with this IA and all that stuff but we still need that environment and we still need to support the library.
That's why when I I took you as an example because when the library comes in front of us at the budget hearing, you could ask him directly, he has a wish list. He put everything to the administration what he needs.
>> Absolutely. >> And there was always a roadblock to those little departments that really are creating a a difference in our community. So, um I think it's is a good thing to do. Um why there but is there
>> why there because of all right so the why there is because the city of Patterson uh for the size of the city you don't have any you don't have enough library services. >> Is your mic still on? >> I don't know. Can you hear me? >> Yes. Is up. >> So a city the size of Patterson does not have enough library services for its
residents. So we're doing whatever we can to expand library services. Sometimes the funding isn't there. So we're trying to use creative ways of making sure that we get there right. And so this was an opportunity, a grant opportunity that we took advantage of to be able to take that that grant money that only paid for um for building and
construction to be able to outfit this space. And it was an area of the city that did not have um library services. That's the third ward, I believe. >> That's right. Council President, >> Council President, >> uh Councilman Mendes, >> uh thank you. Very brief. Uh director, I know you you and I we having we've been
having a lot of discussion about this project that Heritage Place right in the third war. I'm very excited because it's going to serve that community that is very far away from Broadway from the main library, far away from South Patterson and Union Avenue. So, they're going to have the opportunity to have
their site right there at the heritage. So, I'm excited and you know, so so we have a very sensitive conversation and uh my full support on this and also director, you did a phenomenal job during the summer with the mobile library. Uh I spoke about when I put this on record um a few months ago um
the funding that we getting from the movie uh the permit that we getting. We should allocate those funding to the library to the to that department because I mean we could expand the mobile library. It was phenomenal and we witnessed it was in fantastic what you did. So we have we have to find a way we
have to be creative and find a way to get more resources. Those are maybe 100,000 more that you could utilize it. So every dollar is important in our city to provide service to our community. So let's be creative. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So right before Councilman Jackson. So I just want to make it clear we already
have created a Patterson parks committee and that money is allocated to the parks. So I just want to put that on the record unless they are looking to the Patterson Parks Committee would like to um amend their language but that money goes towards the renovation improvement
of parks. We should councilman Jackson. We just spent probably over $200 million on parks. The mayor's been on a park charade, park uh campaign spending money on parks that he locks up and and and brother Fleming has been here fighting
count endlessly. And one, let me take my hat off to you. I apologize cuz I I owe you a phone call. Please don't ever you already know I'm you have my 1,000% support all the time. I take my hat off to you for all the work you do, making sure you fight for grants as your budget is being cut the money that you're
you're deserving of. I have a question. >> Sure. >> So, are you taking over the entire um operation of what's at that facility at Heritage or is just a a a room? >> So, no, we're just um we're it's um it's a it's a partnership. Okay.
>> We're not taking over. We're using this. We're just taking the space and utilizing the space. The space currently is being used. >> Okay. But it just needs a major upgrade and we're just >> Do you have to pay anything to use that facility? >> No, everything is free. >> Everything is free. >> I'm not talking about to the public. I'm
talking about do is there any rental service rent or anything that you have to pay? >> No. >> No. And uh Okay. That that that's that's a big a big plus. Now in um in uh on Temple Street, are you paying you paying
rent to be there? Uh, well, right now we're closed. >> Yeah. >> Well, I I understand it's closed. >> It's being It's been hijacked. I got that. But >> was there a rent that's being paid to to occupy that space? >> There's a lease agreement. Yeah, there's
a lease agreement. >> Is that a lease agreement with the library? Is it with um Health and Human Services? >> No, it's with the um the housing authority. >> So, okay. But the housing authority is has a lease agreement with with the
developer. Is that what you're saying? Or >> no, with the library. With the library. >> So you have a an agreement with the housing authority. >> Yes. >> Separate and apart from what we pay for health what health and human services pay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I'm just pointing it out to the members of the public because these
are facilities that's owned by the city, but our city services, our library pays rent and our uh I don't see the director of health and human services, but programs like Buds and um um Christina
um Hernandez's program um teams to be heard. We're paying rent to a city-owned facility to a developer who doesn't contribute back into our community who by the way
is benefiting from the same Garden State growth zone and is paying no taxes on those facilities for 30 years as well. >> I appreciate your time. >> Just just one point of clarity. Just one point of clarity. I think it's a it's a minimal um uh lease, but it's more for
the maintaining of the building itself. >> Yes, >> it's not it's it's a minimal lease. It's more for the maintenance of the building, like a shared um to clean the maintenance services and stuff like that. >> Well, that's not necessarily the case. It may be the case with in the form of the library. Okay.
>> But in health and human services, they were actually paying rent for the second fourth facility. They're paying rent and because there was a there was talk that their lease wasn't going to be renewed. They was trying to relocate them and put somebody else in there because they were going to they were going to charge it to
the police grant that we get for $2 million because he would be able to he would be able to um acquire more money. >> So, it's a city-owned facility that we turned over to a developer. We
gave him $110 million of which 25 of that he's pocketed as a developer's fee. He pays no taxes and he charges our youth services rent for us to utilize the facilities. And the reason I'm pointing that out, director, my father
grew up in Alabama projects there. When it was the projects, the the rec center that was there that was open. In fact, it was um Mr. Keeling that ran the center. It was open all the time for all of the youth. It was never locked. When I go over there to those, you got to get
buzzed in in that facility now. So, I'm happy that you are going to be there because it does mean that our youth have, you know, an opportunity to have an open door policy, but all of the other tenants that's there, they're paying rent >> and it's not going into our coffers.
It's going into the pockets of the developer, Pinros in that case, that the council is refusing to stand against. >> Sorry to utilize your plat your time to point this out, but this is anformational session. Thank you, brother. I appreciate
>> sometimes I wish so. Thank you. Thank you, director. Um, madame clerk, uh, 43 and 44 are city council resolutions for appointments. Those are on consent for 43 and 44 as well as this your your items. Madam
clerk, city clerk, for 14 and 15, all the paperwork is included for the taxi cabs. 14 and 15 both are on consent. At this time, madame clerk, um, and we'll do number 50 on regular. Madam clerk, public portion is now open. Um, I
am asking, as we do here on the city council, um, we ask that there is a level of decorum that is said on this side of the the deis as well as from the audience. You have three minutes to speak. Um there's a timer and when the
timer is done you um your time is up and we'll move on to the next speaker. But you only have three minutes um to speak. Madame clerk, please call the first speaker. >> Yes. The first speaker is Dr. Chanel FS. Please state your name and address.
Dr. Phils. Good evening everyone. As you know, it's that time of year again, winter. Statistically, I'm not sure if you're aware, guys, but close to 1,000 people die every year of hypothermia. To this administration, I'm not sure if
you all are on top of it already, but I observe many homeless people that I have fed and blanketed in my travels throughout the city of Patterson that were homeless and freezing. and many have expressed that they are not certain of where to go to be warm. I would like
to know and propose to this council um what is the current status of this year's warming stations. And I'd like to propose if it could be possible maybe this week or in the coming weeks to have several seasonal directory signs hung throughout the city of Patterson for
those who may not have phones to know where to go for the warming stations and where they're located nearby and what contact number to call to get a ride when a phone does become available for them to use. Um you don't have to be homeless to know that a warming station is a tremendous tool. First and
foremost, it prevents death from excessive exposure to the cold when those temperatures start dropping. We that are housed are blessed, but remember that for the homeless, hypothermia and frostbite can set in really fast. Plain and simple, warming shelters save lives, and we need more of
them. And rapid transportation accessibility again this year. Our warming stations are the homeless emergency safety net as they provide immediately immediate accessible places to go when the weather becomes dangerous, especially for those who can't access the traditional shelters.
And we know that a snowstorm is expected this week. Administration and council, please make sure we are on top of that for the unhoused. By the administration being on top of it, it'll greatly reduce the strain on St. Joseph's hospital and the local surrounding local hospitals and the urgent care facilities so that
we can minimize the weather related ER visits and emergencies for people that have other health issues. Um we have a moral and spiritual obligation to protect our vulnerable population in the city of Patterson. that includes not only our homeless but our seniors, our
disabled individuals, displaced dis individuals and acron those with chronic illnesses um that are opposed to a higher risk in the cold weather and the warming shelters. They help protect that and provide temporary refuge. I'm wrapping it up. Support for families in
crisis. Um it provides that as well to them. And let's show our homeless community that we're behind them and demonstrate how we are willing to promote the human dignity through offering the warmth of judgment free warming spaces. And let's do it with a true level of compassion this year so that we aim to reflect the community's
value and show our commitment to protecting our most vulnerable residents. Thank you. God bless you. Good night. >> Thank you. Next speaker, Madame Clerk. >> Yes. The next speaker is Brenda Corine. Brenda Green. >> Is Green.
>> Brenda Green. I'm sorry. >> Please state your name and address. Thank you. >> Good evening. >> Hi, my name Brenda Green. >> Hi, good evening. Um, I'm here because I want to know like what is being done about um illegal evictions
and cuz I'm in a situation right now where my landlord is trying to evict me illegally. She turned the lights off. I have no front and back doors. She turned the gas off. I'm confined to one bedroom with a heater and my TV
and that's where I'm at. I just want to know what is being done about it about this. And I want to thank Mr. Michael Jackson for all the help you sent my way. They turned the lights on. I still have no um heat and hot water. I don't
have a back door. I don't have a front door. >> You don't have a back or front door in your apartment? >> And I Excuse me, Councilman. There's no talking no >> Councilman Jackson. There's no speaking across while I'll be there tomorrow. This is ridiculous. Council President,
where's the city attorney? >> This woman is being mistreated by by obviously by someone. >> Councilman Jackson, you know the council president, you can save that. I'm not We're going to make sure that the the concerns of the residents get answered. >> Mrs. Green, we gentlemen, I have two
people here. Where is Aean? Why isn't Where's Javier Fernandez that you've been claiming he's here to answer to the to the to the constituent concern. >> You stay in the back. I'm going to have somebody address you tonight to help you. Okay? So, just stay while I have somebody. >> Good luck with that. I'll be there tomorrow. Next speaker, Madam Clerk.
>> It's ridiculous, man. People in our community being treated like like Madam Clerk, >> we sit here and listen to it night in and night out and let it just go on deaf ears. >> Uh Miss Green, where's Miss Green? Did she leave? Mr. Um, Fernandez is going to talk to her. He is constituent service.
That's who handles it. Next speaker, madam clerk. >> Yes. The next speaker is Patricia Neil. >> Miss McNeil. >> McNeil. I'm sorry. >> People wouldn't even be coming to the council meetings if their concerns were being addressed by the administration to begin with. >> That's a That's a fire.
>> Good evening, Miss McNail. >> Please state your name and address. I am here. >> Set the fire department now. >> I live in Patterson, New Jersey on North Third Street. >> Um
I'm here to support >> number eight. >> Number eight. >> We are tired. Me? I am tired. I don't know about the other senior citizens. They don't come.
They I'm sick. They can come down here. I'm supporting this at 110%. My opinion, and this is my opinion only, the city of Patterson be is becoming
a city of rentals. People cannot afford People cannot afford to buy homes because of the fact that there are so many apartments. Now, this is my little
script I brought. This is me. I think he tried to make me and young adult Council make >> I'm sorry I didn't mean to turn my council.
>> I got to show them now. >> Okay. This is we used to we used to the little children used to complain when I moved into my >> we need
>> no they can't make no decision anyway. Start your clock. >> Oh, you good. >> One second. >> That's fine. Miss McNeil, it's not a voting session. >> One second. Can you restart her time,
please? >> Okay, Miss McNeel, we restarted your time. >> Okay. When I bought my house, it was one family. We were happy. Then it became two. We had a little green space. green
space all over. Children could play in the backyard. Now they want to put three families with no parking. They want to put a 100 how many apartments? 190 something. >> 194 194.
>> Get off of your get here. Get to this council meeting. If you're able to get here, get down and support this. We don't need no more big developers coming in here overcrowding us. Overcrowding
us. And then this is this has to stop. It has to stop. Yes, I'm yelling. They say I yelled too much, but that's just me. >> Thank you, M. >> We still got two more minutes. And uh
Oh. Oh. What is the Garden State? >> Okay. It's um Garden State growth zone addressing the ex exemptation of >> improvements to real property from
taxation. >> And that means that all these big developers >> improvement >> big big big who are building these big big big buildings are not paying taxes.
And I got to count my pennies to make sure I got enough in there to pay my taxes. And if I don't pay my taxes within 30 days, they can put a lean on my house. Do you know that? >> No.
>> Do do you sitting home and not down here at the city council meeting? Do you know? Count those pennies to pay your taxes after 30 days. Once the tax bill come out, research it. And this lady don't come up here and do no force
information. After 30 days that those bills are released, they can put a lean on your house. Anyone want up there want to dispute me on this?
>> They only have one more year. They only have one year. >> That's it. >> Yeah. who don't support this. Shame on you, Councilman Jackson. Thank you.
>> Next speaker, Madame Clerk. The >> next speaker, madam clerk, >> speaker is Nikki Brassette. >> Please state your name. Thank you. >> It is. >> The heat is coming on.
Next speaker, madame clerk, >> Nikki Brett, fourth ward. It's often said that black residents are unwilling to work, but this is a significant misrepres representation. Many black men who resort to selling
drugs, for instance, or high school and even college graduates. Past challenges include incarceration severely limit their employment prospects, creating a cycle that can lead back to the justice system. All they seek are fair, equal
job opportunities. Instead, these opportunities seem disproportionately allocated to other demographic groups. This is a critical issue. Black Americans have historically advocated for the rights of other groups in the United States. Yet, as these groups have
grown, it feels as though many have turned their backs on the black community. It is disheartening to see a lack of re um sorry, res uh re resupprisicated support. It feels as if the same
conditions some left in their home countries are being recreated here, driven by self-interest. I believe there's a double standard at play. If Americans adopted a similar mentality when visiting other nations, we would
likely face explosion. Expulsion. Other countries often require to prove your worth to live there. A standard I believe should apply here as well. Jobs, infrastructure, and racial
division are not just personal issues. They are policy issues. The council can act by demanding local hiring in the city contracts by enforcing anti-dumping ordinances and funding infrastructure and by passing resolutions that unite
our black and brown communities with share youth and culture investments. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next speaker, Madam Clerk. >> Yes. Next speaker is Eddie Olivarez. Please state your name and address. >> Eddie Olivarez, Patterson, New Jersey.
Good evening, Patterson. Uh um I am so disappointed at you, Mims. I am so disappointed. You know, Cas Jackson, you always
What do you call people who do stupidity? Stupid. That's all you can call them. You know how long ago you've been working on this presentation that you wanted uh for uh Mr. Baron? He is an authority. All of you together can't do
one10enth of what this man has done. But I'm not surprised, Mr. Jackson. Anything that comes from you, a rep or presentation coming from you, these people are terrified of. And let me tell you, uh it is so disappointing. It is so
disappointing. Uh, and as you know, in fact, I'm going to do what I what I've been doing lately. I am talking to you people that are watching this uh meeting. I hear there's 25 or 30,000 of you plus
the people here in in in um in the chambers. Uh, you know, I just yesterday or this morning I read Marissa Davila, she put something on Facebook saying that she's running and one of the things that she
says is that consistency matters. People watching, people here, listen to her words. Consistency matters. She's going to be, she's telling you she's going to be consistent on doing exactly what she's been doing for the 12 years she's been on this council. She's going to
work for the developers. That's what she does. Mr. Zach, you were doing some some calculations on the these people that pay no taxes. If you take 25 of those uh um uh projects that pay no taxes, and
you count for each one of these people $1,000 coming from these developers, that's $25,000. That's probably a better calculation than whatever it is that you were doing. I wasn't really paying attention. But again, I tell you people, I am running.
Guarantee you I am a hell of a lot better than the three people that are running for councilman at large. We have here um we have oh Casey Casey Melb is running. Guarantee you he is better than
what we have here. He's a hell of a lot better than Marisa Dav. And she's telling you she's going to be consistent. you reelect Marisa Dava, you can expect that her sister is going to have more positions than by now Joel Ramirez. She's she's competing with Joel
Ramirez. I mean, it's it's everywhere. They're everywhere. Uh and so people of Patterson, listen to me. Council me Jackson, Eddie Olivarez, Casey Melting. Thank you, Madame Clerk. Next speaker. >> Yes. Next speaker is Charles Baron or
Baron. State your name and address, please. Thank you. >> Uh Charles Baron, New York City. I would suspect hope that you would allow me more than three minutes. I came all the way from New York City. >> If not, >> we have at least
>> there there is a process in place. >> Understand? Cuz I was in the city council. When we finished this, don't start the time yet. >> Well, >> but I been in the city council. I've been in the city council for 14 years in New York City. In the state assembly for
seven years, they always >> express courtesy to a council member coming. They don't limit them to 3 minutes for a public presentation. So, you don't have to adhere to the
threeinut rule. It's up to the council members to say, "Have respect for a colleague from New York." matter of fact some of your people here and allow me to express and share with the people that's so important in this
21st century. So I would ask that you do that. >> So I welcome you from New York. We're in New Jersey and here in the city councils in Patterson there is a threeminut rule. >> Yeah we have one one second. I didn't interrupt you. three-minute rule. Out of respect, out of respect, we will allow
you I will give you an extra minute because there are a lot of speakers on. We'll give you one extra minute. Madame clerk, could you just ask two Could you add two minutes to his time because it was interruption? Thank you. >> Should I just start over? >> We'll start. You can start it over. >> Yes.
>> Now, I don't mean to be disrespectful to you at all, but I'm going to say what I had to have to say when I came here. I'm going to say it out of respect. >> Yes. >> Because I demand be treated with courtesy as all elected officials are
treated when they visit other. >> Absolutely. >> I just want to speak to y'all. >> Our biggest problem in New York City. We have 51 council members. >> 51. We haveund billion dollar budget.
116 billion. The majority of the city council is black, Latino, and Asian. The majority of your city council is black, Latino, and others. The bottom
line, it's about power. >> Who has the power to change what's going on in Patterson? I had one district in Brooklyn stop gentrification
because I used the AMI. If the area median income is not the AMI of my district as a council member, I had the power to tell a developer that he's not building in my district.
>> I had the power to do that. So do they. You heard them talking about administration and city council and and budget. Anything that's in the budget, this council passed. >> Yes. >> Anything. Even if you look at the
details of the budget, they put it on the administration. They passed it. Your budget is $330 million of your money. They're not doing you no favors. That's your money. So, it's time
for the people to rise up. Everybody black ain't really black. >> Everybody Latino is not really for Latino people. They put developers put black faces in high places and make you
think you made progress. The first black this, the first black that. And once they get in, they'll let you come here. They'll let you come here. They'll let you come here and vent because they know when you finish speaking, they're just
going to pass whatever they want to pass whether you like it or not. >> This is what they do. I didn't come here to vent. I didn't come all the way from New York to vent. I'm telling you, you could stop these developer. Madison
Square Garden pays no taxes in New York. None. and the city council allows it to happen. This city council should not say, "We don't have enough money, so therefore we're going to take money from libraries or take money from youth
centers or take money from vital services when you're not having the developer pay a dime in taxes. That is unheard of." >> Thank you, Mr. Assemblyman. >> I'm not stopping. So, you're giving
another minute. You said you was giving he was >> I gave him the time. I gave him I gave him two extra minutes. This is what can happen. They pass the budget. >> They pass over the law and they decide what's going to be built on land.
>> Thank you, Mr. Assemblyman. >> What they could do? >> Thank you. >> They could do they could stop these developers. >> Thank you, Mr. Assemblyman. >> New York deed theft. >> Mr. Assemblyman, just as you are aware,
>> if you don't pay your water bill, >> if you don't pay some of your deed theft, they take your home. >> Too many of people didn't even know they had water and they took their home. Next speaker, madam clerk
is remove. >> Yes. >> Next speaker. >> Madam clerk. >> The next speaker is Joel Keys Jr. >> Thank you. >> 13 million. You know what your area?
>> Thank you, Mr. Assemblyman. Thank you so much. Thank Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. >> No, you no decorum, Mr. Assemblyman. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Next speaker. Madame Clerk. >> Next speaker. Ne Next next speaker. The next speaker is Joel Keys Jr. >> So before we move on, there is a set
there is a set decorum in this council. Anyone that has sat in these chairs in any jurisdiction knows that. >> Point of order, council president. So I am utilizing more time. You're going to utilize more time for these not allow it to happen. Councilman Jackson,
>> if somebody was up there singing you praises and they bringing you flowers, you let them speak for an unadulterated length of time. Next speaker, >> this gentleman who has served for over 20 years, 15
state assembly and you're going to disrespect him that way. >> Next speaker, Mr. And then you're going to see and try to get a word in it. If it's nobody else can speak after the speaker, you can't speak either. If >> Council President doesn't give you more authority than anyone else,
>> Councilman Jackson, you're out of order. I'm not out of order. You're out of order for what you just did to gentlemen what you've done. You're out of order. You're out because you brought him here. Uh, next speaker, Madam Clerk. You brought him here. Next speaker, madam clerk. >> Name and address, please. Mr. >> Next speaker.
Jesus Christ. >> I had a speech that I was going to write. Y'all know I always have my script ready. But I picked up Charles Baron because the day after the last meeting, Bal Hakeim called me
and said, "Charles Baron is going to do a presentation at this meeting." Said, "I got to I'm working on getting somebody to pick him up." I said, "What? I'm picking them up. I idol, that's my idol. That's one of my idols. If you know anything about me, what I come up here and I speak on, that man is
legendary. I idolize that man. I'm embarrassed for all of Patterson for I remember I was yelling out one time when Khik was the president and I was yelling out to him. I was saying, "What are you a robot?
What are you, a robot? A robot could do that. Just go by the script. You don't have are you a human being? If you're a human being, then you able to adapt and adjust. >> You are behaving the same. Are you a robot? >> You can't adapt and adjust. This man
told you how it is and how it goes down with other council members. >> I'm embarrassed for all of Patterson. I can't believe we did that to this man. >> A idol of mine. A man who came here. He could help us, the people especially. He
also can help the council members. What I have here, this is a a post that I wrote. It said, "Charles and Inz Baron successfully prevented gentrification in their East New York, Brooklyn community for all 21 years. They served on the New York City Council and in the New York
State Assembly. They established an environment that did not involve an us against them scenario because the politicians, developers, and the people represented an us category with no
entity representing a them category. When there's no gentrification, there's also no serious issue with evictions. Conversely, in Patterson, there is an us against them environment because the
politicians have sided with the developers against the people. They've created they've become bedfellows with the developers, creating an us against them dynamic. The people represent the us category and the
politicians with the developers are the them category because we have a serious issue with evictions and gentrification is inevitable. We can't transform this situation with the mayor and the council members remaining in their respective
offices. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Keys. Next speaker, Madam Clerk. >> Next speaker is Bal Hakee County. did your name and address. Thank you. >> I seek refuge with Allah from the devil
and council president, you are a witch. >> Yes. Yes, you are a witch. What councilman and formerly sman uh Charles Baron mentioned, you know, this is the quorum. I personally have never held no elected office, but I've traveled
places. But because of my stature, people have extended the courtesy. Mr. Haim, no. No doubt about it. Yes, sir. And you won't do that right there. You was a disgrace >> and you are part of the problem. >> Yes. >> And your seat is in jeopardy.
>> Your seat is in jeopardy. You think you're untouchable, but you're not untouchable. I came to mention something else um tonight, but I want to um where is the I want to say this again. I said this here many times. Anytime a an attorney, anyone that deals with legal
cooperates with the force of evil, you're undermining society. So I say to you corporate council, you be careful. I'm not speaking to your mind. As the young girl said in the movie Sarah's Oil and you need to see I'm speaking to your soul. I'm speaking to your soul. the BA
resigned and the uh um the person over over here in personnel she uh stepped down as council councilman Jackson uh I mentioned why because she was doing illegal stuff and nobody's chasing them y'all just watching this and stuff and as councilman Baron said you'll sit here
for people to vent and then you ain't going to do nothing but just go along to get along I played the tape of you I say to you you can change your position if you change your position no problem what is your position position. Is that your position? What I played on the tape uh
in terms of mentioning what Kanye West said about George Bush, you mentioned about Mayor Andre say who is a shing. Yeah, he's a shine. He's a devil. Yeah, the mayor. If you knew some of the evil stuff, this is not rhetoric I'm talking.
>> I'm not at liberty to talk about some things, but I'm telling you that man is a evil man. And if you are aligning yourself with him, you're evil. The other thing I want to say to you, you alluded to the fact the last time I was here that when I do programs, well, listen, let me tell you something. I've been doing programs in this city over
four decades before you even you was wet behind your ears. And you ain't never seen Balah Hakeim come before any of you with his hat in his hand. We do our programs. We ask you to come. You come or you don't come. But we'll never bow down to you with our hat and our hand.
So don't ever suggest that somehow we are um uh uh uh begging you. The mayor race is coming. Do many of you any of you know when the mayor race is. >> May what? >> Okay. Why don't we know the date to pull
petitions? Because one of those seats at council at large going to be mine. This is our program. Whoever wants to come, come come. But don't think we putting our hat in our hand. It's a shame on you. You won't give a common courtesy. This is something that's do
doing every form of of diplomacy. >> Thank Thank you, Mr. B. >> You think you all in a bag of chips? >> I am. Next speaker. >> No, you're not. >> All of it. Madam clerk. Next speaker. Burning a flag. >> Next speaker. >> The next speaker. >> Next speaker.
>> Next speaker is Elvis Durham. >> Mr. Dorham. >> Disrespectful. very disrespectful. If the mayor was here or the governor due to extending that courtesy, you scared me for jobs. >> Thank you. Next speaker, madam clerk, >> what did they offer you?
>> He's coming. >> What did they offer you that you somehow you a WHOLE ANOTHER TERM? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE FOR YOU? WHAT HAVE THEY OFFERED YOU? >> YEAH. And I would never talk to you like this here.
>> I know. But you did. >> I would never talk to you like this. I remember it. Next speaker. >> Yes. It's on your head. Next speaker. Madam clerk. Yes. Next speaker. Madam clerk. >> Next speaker. Madame clerk. Your um
officers. Can we set the quorum? >> Officers, can we set the quorum? >> Madam um clerk. Next speaker. >> I have it. >> No, I will not. >> Next speaker. >> Please state your name. >> Next speaker.
>> Yes. Mhm. >> That's where you are. >> One, two. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Elvis dorm, fourth war, Patteradison, New Jersey. >> Tonight, that is. So, I just want to say
um want to talk about the project. A lot of people is getting misunderstood because y'all did not hear more details on the project. It's not only a um affordable housing, affordable
apartments that's coming on um Van Street, downtown Patterson, but downstairs is going to be a performing arts center. And um some some people could say whatever they
want in here, but we look at Patterson. What do we have? Most people in the political arena is against the project. But guess what? Patteradison, New Jersey is the third
largest city in New Jersey. I I'm born and raised here. In the downtown area, they don't hire black people. So to to the guest that's here, I want
to welcome you to to a city that has the biggest shopping center in Pay County that do not hire black people. But we have a diver in the back somewhere that's bringing a project,
affordable pro project that's getting money from the state. So they have to do what they got to do or they go to jail. affordable apartments, affordable with a with a performing arts center that's going to hire not only
African-Americans but other ways and also they are parking available. This parking garage right next to it hold 836 parking for any type of vehicle.
So I just want you to know that. I also want to say um to the second world councilman just want to thank you and your family for hiring black people. I appreciate you.
Um you center city mall and the parking authority. It's the only three in this city that hire black people besides the major retail stores. >> God bless you in peace.
>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Next speaker. >> Yes. The next speaker is Jamra McDaniel. >> Jira McDaniel. >> I think she left. Madam clerk. Okay. >> Next speaker. Madam clerk. >> Sure. Next speaker is >> one second. Lorraine Collins. Lorraine
Collins. She left with the other group as well. >> Next speaker is Alatrice Wade. Miss Wade, >> please state your name and address. Miss Wade. Thank you. >> Hi, Alice Wade. Um Patterson, North 7,
I normally don't come to the council meetings. This is my first time here. I live on North 7. And I heard the other councilman speak about the mice running around outside, but how about when they in your house,
when you can't put your feet down on your floor because they running through your house. >> Now, Florio's or onion management or whoever they want to be called, they're the landlord. I've been dealing with this problem for five years since 2019.
All they do is send the exterminator out. He put this poison down. Some of them die. I got videos. I got I got pictures. I got videos. I can't cook on my stove because there's mic poop all over my stove. >> Oh wow.
>> Miss Mims, I called you. I called you four months ago. You were going to dinner. You still eating >> cuz you told me you'll call me back when you get when you come back. I still haven't got a call from you yet. I'm living in this every day where I'm
mopping up my I'm sweeping up my It's in my bed. >> I'm trying to get my kids out of this apartment. Florio's onion management. They not being held responsible for this. I found another apartment. Now
here it's December. It's Christmas. I don't have no gifts for my kids because I got to take $6,000 to pay a new landlord and a realtor plus $45 application fee of money that I don't have
and he's not being held responsible. I go to him and say, "Okay, let's let's do this. I'm with you. Let's find me another apartment. We could just switch the deposit over to them. You want to put me on Godwin? You want to put me on 12th A. You want to put me on Mercer
Street. You want to put me on Rosa Park Boulevard. But then you tell me. I said, "What about the new buildings? You know, I got I got some You don't qualify for the new buildings. >> I I don't qualify for new buildings that you're building in a city that I have
been a residence in for 50 years. >> I don't understand that. >> I don't understand that. My kids are scared. They're scared to get off their beds. They're scared to go to sleep because it's just everywhere.
I kill I catch five, three more come back in. I catch 20, six more come back in. They running rapid. They ate through my food. I had maggots on the ceiling. But this man is getting away with all this nonsense and he getting almost
$2,000 from me a month >> in rent. and you didn't call me back. The only councilman sitting here help me was Mike Jackson. His people came into my home, broke my
furniture. He don't want to replace it. So now the furniture that I have in this house that's going to this new house, I got to throw it away because I'm not going to take this problem to the new house. >> Right. So I'm going to ask um Mr. Fernandez,
please get um her information in the address so it can be reported again to the management's office because it was just he'll take the information and then he'll forward it but it was sent to the property management office. Madame clerk, next speaker. >> Next speaker is Annette Robinson
Robersonson. Sorry. Please state your name and >> Good evening, Miss Robersonson. >> Good evening. How are you? Real quick, real quick. Three minutes is fast. Sewer, when how >> when and how often do they get clean movie shoots? I talked about this the last meeting. What's the profit? How the
fund is being used? Taxi provide taxi enforcement reports. River taxi valley taxi fast taxi super green baby green taxi patter comfortable super king Vincent cab services just to name a few. Are these taxi stands? Are there taxi
stands? Where are they? Uh Patterson Police Department. I got a ticket about uh November the 6 uh on Getty AB, right? You know, going to a hospital meeting. went to the police department that same day, paid the ticket. The police department is filthy, filthy, filthy.
The other concern is I talked to someone. The police gun range in the city of Patterson has been has been abandoned. The police gun range in the city has been abandoned and the city of Patterson used Paramis Police Department
to qualify their police firearm at what cost? The school buses. We have school buses coming down Curtis Place, Ellison Street, and Cliff Street 7 something in the morning. Okay. When other cars are going to work and dropping off school
age children, okay, the parents are not out there. I get it. The children got to go to school. These buses need to pull to the side so that uh traffic can get through. Uh uh Curtis Place, they have a bus, a yellow school bus picking up school age children with the mother
waiting. That is a catastrophic event waiting to happen. The ebikes. The ebikes. Oh, I'm sorry. And God, the homeless population. The homeless population. Main Street and Levine Street, Oliver Street. There's an encampment. But I respect that
encampment because they get up like they going to work in the morning. They clean up their mess. Mark uh Main Street and Ward Street. The encampment there. We have to do something. the ebikes, the scooters coming to the meeting tonight. I almost seen an accident with an ebike.
Okay, we just had a catastrophic event a couple of weeks ago. We need to start some enforcement. We got to figure out how to do this enforcement with these bikes because if I hit somebody, I'm going to tell you this here on the record. I'm not going to be responsible.
I'm going to keep it modest. No, really is serious. Miss Mims, I'm going to give you a copy of this here. We need to do something. Yes. >> Get better at this. >> Thank you. Uh there are no more speakers. Motion to close. >> Move to close. >> Motion to close by. Councilman Khali. Second by Councilman uh Mendes. Roll
call to close. Council um Madame Clerk. >> Roll call to close the public portion. Councilwoman Cotton. Councilwoman Dava. Councilman Khik. >> Councilman Jackson. Councilman Khikman >> want to
>> can't can't close it. Okay. >> Council colleague. >> My vote is yes, Madame Clerk. >> Thank you. I know. I just told him. >> Thank you, >> Phyllis. >> All right. >> I voted yes. >> Yes, I have it. Thank you so much,
>> Council President. Should I wait till someone else? >> No. >> Okay, >> we have a She's right there. >> We don't have fire. Council Cotton is here. She's here. >> Where? >> Right there. She's there. She's over there. Okay. Um, Council Council Cotton to close. >> My vote is yes to close.
>> Thank you, Counciloman Omar. >> My vote is yes. That's it. >> Okay. Councilwoman Cotton, we're closing the workshop. >> To close public portion. >> I mean, I'm sorry. The public portion. She said yes. >> Thank you so much. >> Okay. Um,
Councilman, who's that? >> Councilman, >> did those guys speak yet from the >> Okay. to >> that that project that building. >> Hold on. >> We're just closing public portion. >> Your vote is yes. >> What? >> We're closing the public portion.
>> Oh, so I can address uh can I address her? No, I address >> um there's um you know I can ignore it. U Miss Phils came and spoke about the homeless and blue code and warming
center. The county has a website. they manage the uh cold blue or anything that is going to be happening when the temperatures are down. So I encourage her to uh log into the county website that will have all the information at the warming center around the county
also in Patterson. Um >> oh okay. >> No, but they want to hear. >> Yes. So no, this is a workshop in a public portion. It was
>> so is she asked some information regarding cold blue and warming center uh around the city or and no for the information for the public because the the the question was
put in public. So there's a website that um the P County has all the warming center um anybody could log in into the Pay County um uh website and they will have all the
warming center uh in place in Pay County also in Patterson. uh that'sformational that is out there for everyone that want to um look into uh
beside that you know I know a lot of people came and spoke about the growth we have something in the uh uh in the in the agenda today um and I will speak um when it's time to um saying that madam
madame clerk my vote is Yes. >> Thank you, Councilman. Council President. >> So, I will say this and I will vote to the public, um, not just in Patterson, but people watch all over. One of the things that people have said to me, Council President, we respect that no
matter how they attack you at that mic, you keep your professionalism. No matter if they lie on you, they give misinformation. It has been stated over and over that I removed an item from the agenda. We will talk about that in a few minutes. I did not move an item from the
agenda. The item did not follow the process. It is not on legal paper. It was not vetted through committee. Has nothing to do with council president. That is the pro the process. And when you don't follow the process, the director of that department does not
agree as well as legal does not get the green light to go forward. That's when it does not make it to the agenda. It is not the council president. I was blamed. People were told that they believed it. And it's okay because I tell people that people could lie all the time, but we
all know the truth. I'm allow corporation counselors to speak to the truth. That's not me pulling it off. Every council member knows the process, and if you follow the process, you don't have an issue. I will say this in closing about the item. We're talking a
lot about what we should do. As a local municipality, we can't override the state. We have great state legislators that wrote that bill. You need to take a look at who wrote the bill and make a request to our state legislators to have those conversations, but they won't do that. And that's something I said behind
the scene. So, for it to be said that I would not allow things to happen, I would not allow it is not true. Look, I tell people, people could call you all kinds of names. It's what you respond to that matters. When you're doing the work and you get attacked like tonight, you know you must be a serious threat. And I
believe I am. I am grateful um for that. Madame clerk, my vote is yes. >> Thank you, Councilwoman. The votes are six in favor, three absent. The public portion is hereby closed. >> Thank you. Uh madame clerk, the following items 34 and 35 will be on
consent. >> One second. 34 and 35. >> 34 and 35. >> Okay. >> Uh as well as um cons Yeah, 34 and 35 consent. We also have items 47, 40, 45, 46, and 47 will all go on
consent. >> 45, 46, and 47 >> and 48. We already discussed it. >> Okay. >> 52 will move forward. 53 is on consent. >> 51 is on consent. Okay. >> Um,
>> yeah. On 51, >> there's no sponsors. >> There's no sponsors on 51. >> 51. >> On 51, there's no sponsors. >> Uh, Council President, on number 15, I want to leave it in regular. And I want
>> I have it on regular. >> Oh, >> 50 is regular. >> Okay. Uh, >> 50 or 15? >> Uh, 50 is regular. And, uh, 49, I want to add, uh, Councilman uh, Omad AB. >> So, we're going to discuss that. We're not gonna go discuss that right now because >> what?
>> We're not gonna discuss it yet because Yeah, we don't have we're not gonna discuss that item yet. Um, we can put it on regular. 49 will go on regular. Madam clerk, >> um, at this time, economic >> 49 is regular, right? I also add Omar E as sponsor.
>> Okay. Councilman Oar will be a a sponsor as well. Um, is our director of e economic development here? Hey, county commissioner. Uh, our deputy director is here from economic development.
>> So, madame clerk, item number nine. Number 10, we'll do a further discussion next week. >> Hold on one second. >> Item number eight did not go through the proper vetting process. It is being removed. >> I'm sorry. Uh, could you just go back for a second? Number nine and 10 is
>> are moving forward. >> Moving. >> Okay. >> And then the other item that is uh 52 is moving forward as well. >> Which one? >> 52. >> 52. >> 52. Okay. >> And eight is being removed. Um >> director, if we can go over, council president, >> as a result,
>> sorry, very briefly, uh item 52 um uh is an ordinance and it should be uh >> moving forward as a first reading. I said that. Yes. Yes. Um so agenda is our president. >> These two items just to give a backdrop
item 52 and 53 they were presented last week. It was tabled by council members. They wanted to hear from the department um in regards to are we on 22 and 23? 22 and 23
the letters of support. Okay. 22 and 23. So these items were removed. There was some information. Economic development committee met on Friday. I am well I guess as a president you're ex official member. So I made the request on my break to pop in for about
10 minutes to um ask questions. And so um myself, the chair, Councilman Khaled, Councilwoman Dava, and Councilman Veles was in the committee meeting for economics development. Um, these items are for letters of support. Um, also I
want to duly note that there were packets that were prepared for every council member. They are in your packet. Also, there's a letter that came from the parking authority in regards to uh the parking lots of parking lot 1 and 10. These items are only to move forward
um to allow them to go to get funding. Are there any questions from the uh council members? I thought that um >> any questions? We'll put these on regular. >> What was the question from last time? >> They they sent it was about parking. So,
are there any questions? >> It's clear. We spoke on uh we spoke at the committee of economic development. It was clear there will be a compromised uh contract after the uh project fulfilled with the parking
authority and all resident are mandatory to park uh in the designated um uh parking from the developer and they was clear that the parking will be free for the residents of that project. So, and
the other thing I was also um um satisfied is that the is a is a low income is a low income project for residents. Um um I'm well satisfied um with the numbers and and how many the
rent is going to be there and um and I think it's it's a plus for a property have been abandoned uh for many many many years. That's why and um and I got to say this, council president, that's
why when people talk about and nothing to do with this project, but when people talk about the New Jersey growth, okay, let's speak with the real numbers. In 2014,
we have,00 abandoned property in the city of Patterson. Up to now 2025 we have reduced those abandoned property almost 80 to 90%. >> Yes. >> And we not talking and we not talking
sir >> we not I like to I'm sorry I I didn't want to um and we not talking about only development. If you look at the Henley Stadium, other place places here being constructed under taking advantage of
the growth of uh uh development growth of the city of Patterson. Also, single homeowners have been benefit of that New Jersey growth. So before we talk about something eliminated something, we need
to bring the real facts >> about what is the positive impact that we have have with the New Jersey uh growth in the in the state of New Jersey, also in the city of Patterson. Not only the city of Patterson, other
three municipality taking advantage of that. And I got to say it loud and clear, take a picture, go to your to your to the documents way before 2014 and you're going to see how Patterson
was before and was Patterson is now. If we remove the New Jersey Grove, >> Councilman, we know I'm going to finish. If we remove the New Jersey Grove, >> we could have more property abandoned in the city of Councilman. >> Oh, >> we're not on that item. >> Oh, no, no. just this is the same thing
that he does while I do the same thing. So it it's a habit >> that item that item was already >> Thank you. I'm well satisfied with it. So it's if you're going to leave it in regular eight, are you going to see nice comments uh on my behalf? >> So I I also right before Council Mendes,
we're on 22 and 23. I also want to say um did he leave Elvis? Oh, he's here. So I want to thank Elvis. Um one of the things for me, I don't just sit and get my documents. I go to the property. So when I saw that parking lots 1 and 10
were a part of this project, I made requests to find out how many parking spaces are in each parking lot and all of that. So in parking lot 10, there's like 835. Parking lot one there's a there >> 836 and there there's almost 900 in the
other parking lot. So, there is a letter that was done in August by the parking authority which I've uh sent to the clerk to make sure all of the council members are aware of that which was a part of the um planning um board process. But I want to commend um our
chair, Councilman Khalik from our last meeting that was the request made. I also want to commend our economic development committee for sending that packet out. It was sent to every council member um on that Friday right after the meeting um and your due diligence. As
stated, these items are for letters of support. If they go before these two finance boards and they don't get approved, then they have to find funds elsewhere. We are not approving the project, the project is already approved. Councilman Mendes. >> Uh thank you. Thank you, Council President. Um but even though we're not
approving the project that the project we know that that letter of support is very important for this project to go to the next level and is to go back to the state then that is the reason why they're here for the second time around because it's important to get the approval of this governing body and I was one of the one of the council member
that agreed to table this legislation second the motion because of the concern of the parking we need to understand that I mean parking is very limited in the city and and and people they basically have nowhere to park. We almost forcing a resident to break the law by parking all the way in the
corner. And after the conversation that I have with the director, with the people involved in the project, I understand that that's not going to be a problem that that's not going to be an issue because there's there's a real agreement with parking authority. I've been in support of of the project in term of the affordable housing for our
senior because that's a need. We are in crisis of more affordable housing in our community for our senior for the resident in general. And this is going to be a very it's going to be a blessing for a lot of resident for a lot of senior. And I see the structure of the building. So the structure is not going to change that historical aspect of the
building is going to remain. So I'm looking forward to see a beautiful project and do a walk through at the end of the project because I know it's going to be very very beneficial for our community. Now I'm ready to vote in support of this project. Thank you, Council President. >> Thank you, Councilman Mendes.
These items will be on regular. Both items will be on regular. Um, Madame Clerk, um, for next week, Councilman Jackson, >> I'm not surprised one bit. It's so easy
to sell city of Patterson. So, Madame Director, this vast amount of parking that's going to be made available to these residents, who's paying for it?
>> So, I just want to be clear. Um, so the developer would be responsible for covering the cost of that. >> The developer is going to be responsible to covering for covering costs to the parking authority for every single tenant that's in the that's in the building. >> Yeah.
>> For the spaces that they will be utilizing. >> Mhm. >> How many spaces is that? >> So if you look in the packet, it spells out exactly the number of spaces that will be dedicated to this project. here the the issue that we I have um madame director which I completely respect that
but the people who are watching at home they don't have a packet in front of them. So I'm asking a question not for I I already know I'm not supporting this item. I'm asking the question so that people at home would know for 194 units
>> is 274. >> You want to Okay. So, at this time, I'm going to ask Adam Fa to come forward and speak. >> Thank you, Adam Fela from Sills, Cummus, and Gross. Thank you, council members. Um, to answer that specific question, there's up to 274 spaces available for
the tenants. We anticipate the need will be closer to 100 based on multiple other comparable projects uh in Patterson. Uh, but we have up to 274 spaces that are available to the tenants. the
requirement in the redevelopment plan uh it would be 272 spaces. So this actually exceeds it and the location being offsite is specifically allowed in the redevelopment plan um for this district in the redevelopment plan. Uh so that was something it it has to be within
1,000 ft. These both of these properties are closer than 1,000 ft uh as detailed in the parking authority letter about it. And uh the this was discussed at the um at the planning board meeting. Uh the parking situation. >> Where's the contract between you guys
and the parking authority? >> It was sent to the >> There's a It was sent I sent it to all council. >> Mr. President, if I need to ask you a question, I would preference it my question with madame council president or councilwoman Mims. I'm speaking to
the gentleman. I would you wasting our time. Everything in the packet. I'm not wasting your time. I'm not This is not your time. This the people's time. You should mind your business. >> You should mind your business. It's not about not not about an email to your
packet. Every question that you ask, I bet everything in the packet. >> Um >> so, so what what resident? So, Miss M any of the miss uh Annette, do you have a packet?
Do you know what's in the packet that he's referring to? >> Do you know what's in the pack? This case, Mr. Melvin, do you know what's in the packet? >> This Munchkin over there to making comments while I have the floor and council president
>> failing yet again at her at her her sole priority sole uh responsibility in maintaining the quorum. >> I apologize. Um yes, the the letter from the parking authority stating that the spaces are available were submitted as
part of the uh planning board application. So they're on file for um for the public to to view at any point. Um and any types of agreements that the parking authority requires, we will enter into. >> How much is the parking authority charging per space? >> Uh it's the standard rate for the the
garage. >> What is the standard rate, sir? >> Any Again, it will depend on >> I'm asking you a question. Councilman, please can I answer? I did not cut you off anytime when you're answering, please. Um if if you don't mind the whatever the standard rate at the time
that these are needed, that's what will be charged considering the project still needs to go through the state and uh federal approvals and then get constructed. The prices may change. We're not under an agreement right now because the prices are not set yet and we don't know the exact need yet until
we know what which tenants need it. But whatever the standard rate is, that's what the uh will be paid by the developer, not by the tenants. >> Wow. I'm glad you're cheerleading for them. It's amazing. So So again,
the contract that you have, you you have a contract with the parking authority. >> They said that uh the parking authority submitted uh sent us a letter saying that they're available. Any types of contract or agreement that are needed, we will do. Um and Amazing. And I'm
sorry, just because I wasn't done uh finishing that sentence, I apologize. >> We won't know how many tenants need it until the project is built, but there are up to 274 available for the 194 100% affordable senior uh units that are
being uh constructed as part of the project. >> That's fantastic. The gentleman whose name is Eric, who is he with it with respect to this project? >> Eric? Yes. >> I'm not sure if I know an Eric. Do you know a last name that I can help out
with? >> I do not know. >> I apologize. I don't know if there's an Eric. We have an Alex Barrett uh who's uh representing the developer. We have Tony Marquetta who's former HMFA head that is a partner on the uh project. We have our architect Tony D Augusta here,
but we I don't recall an Eric. Um I don't think that was the landscape engineer or engineer civil engineer. I I'm not sure if there is an Eric on this project. >> Well, I met a I met a gentleman there who called me and requested that I meet
on the site who had access to the site who opened the entire site for me to walk through. He preferenced himself as the owner. >> Do you know when this was just so I can ask? >> A month and a half ago.
>> Oh, a month and a half ago. >> Yeah. Do you have an Eric? There's no Eric of the ownership property that I'm aware of from the month and a half ago. If you're talking about years ago when it was owned by somebody else, I still don't know an Eric then >> but a month and a half ago. No, I don't
know an Eric from a month and a half ago that has access to the site and is part of the ownership group. >> Yeah. Okay. So it it's fine because many of the res residents know that I don't fabricate stories and I don't have no reason to
fabricate stories. I just don't know. I walked through the facility with with a person who was requ was, you know, soliciting my support. And when I asked him the question that I just asked you, his answer was the cost would be passed on. The residents will will be
responsible for paying for the parking. So, I'm just trying to make sure that we're placing it, you know, placing it on record that we can go back to that you guys are covering the cost for parking. >> Correct. But you don't record but but
but you have not negotiated a rate. >> It would be the standard rates of what they charge when the spaces are needed aka after it gets built and we know which tenants need it and how much. >> So do you guys now have a performer that you had to put together for your your your projections for the for the next
>> certainly project it. Um I >> and within your performer you you just put it's a standard rate >> for parking. >> Councilman, I I don't have the numbers in front of me. I cannot tell you the exact amount at this time. We certainly have projected numbers or are going to
need that for every application for the HMFA and for the uh for the EDA. Um I don't have that number for you. How about the process in which these residents are going to gain access to to to the parking? Cuz currently the building that's right next door to you,
they had the same agreement and they have the same uh uh um agreement worked out the workout with the parking authority, but yet all of their their residents are online at 5:30 in the morning in front of the parking
authority paying for vouchers for monthly vouchers for parking. So, >> um, the residents at 13 and a half 13 and a half Van Halton. Most definitely. In fact, we had meetings when when the when the parking
uh, lot across the street was being constructed and they had to make provisions for them to park over on uh, on Canian Street. And all of those residents pay for parking. So, I'm just trying to be clear because that's, you
know, one of my biggest issues that no resident is going to have to pay for parking. If they make a submission, what is the process for a resident requesting um parking pass? It >> there will be 274 spaces available for
the 194 units and any uh resident that needs it will have to inform uh and we'll also solicit with the tenants of who needs it. And there will be uh an allotted amount for the different units. Anybody who needs it, we will um we will
be the ones making sure that the spaces are available. It is our responsibility to do it and it will be our cost to bear. Um I don't know the details of the project next door. Um, but I am glad to hear that they this process has already gone through and that any types of kinks
going through it will hopefully be able to uh uh work through it better since it's the next time around and we'll be able to work with the parking authority uh to make sure any types of issues aren't repeated. >> So, it it that's a bit concerning to me
that you you're not familiar with the property that's right next >> represent them. So I don't know the exact details of them. I I don't think >> So a moment ago you asked me not to cut you off, right? Do you not do you not stand on the same same? >> Okay. >> I apologize.
>> I appreciate that. So I didn't expect you to represent them and I didn't expect you to um to know in detail what their arrangements were. But as a developer that's coming into the space, I would have thought that like
anything else, there's a survey of the surrounding neighborhood. And with that survey, there will be an understanding of the practices of another adjacent largecale facility as well. I mean, it would just make sense to me that I know
because as I'm adding to the environment, right, and adding to the conditions there. See, I understand you don't really have necessarily have a a tie to it. You're being paid to come stand before me and take some heat from me, but it but it it's it's a little
more personal to me. My cousin was murdered right across the street from there, less than just a little more than a year ago. So me, I understand the impact. I have residents that I represented there for many years that have been struck by
motor vehicles because of the traffic that's in that space. So there's a lot of things for me that might make sense because I live here and you don't. So I do understand that. I do understand there's a there's a a lack there's a a
disconnect here. So the impact that it has for example when when when residents have to drop off their groceries, what is the plan for that? What is the the the automobile plan for when people are going shopping and they
have 10 bags of groceries? Do they park in the parking garage that's less than a mile away? You said, or >> 100,000 ft. >> Okay. much closer than that.
>> Okay. So, how close is it? >> You don't have that number either. >> Were you not in the planning board meeting? Council Jackson, >> but it's not really that important to you. >> And I don't appreciate that at all. >> Well, how is it not a fair? Any question I have is fair,
>> President. >> Any question I have is fair. >> Any question that I have is fair. >> There's no need for you to get offended by any question that I have. Did I ask you how much you're being paid to work in this work this job? >> I asked you a fair question. Is it not that important to you?
>> And you think that that's not a fair question? I think the implications that this isn't important. >> There is no implication. It's a question. I didn't accuse you of being racist. I didn't accuse you of being biased. I asked you a question. >> Is it not that important to you? >> Of course, it is important to me.
>> Okay. So, that means you would have known the number, please. >> No, no, no, no. Don't please me after you insult me. >> I'm here to do a job on behalf of the public. >> I never insult. >> You're here to do a job on behalf of your of your employer, >> right? But I'm here to do a job on
behalf of the public. Any question that I have le has merit. >> I didn't insult you. I don't think it was an insult. Maybe you may feel that way, but that's feelings don't matter.
Facts do. I didn't call you short. I didn't call you ugly. I asked you a simple question. >> Do is it not that important to you that you don't know how how far it is? because you won't be the person that has to carry your luggage or your groceries
or your children or your personal belongings from that distance. So yet again, how far is it? >> It's It's diagonally across the street. It is right across the street. It is
less It's less than 1,000 ft away. >> That doesn't answer my question. How far? 897 ft. 972 ft. How far? >> I mean 200 ft for me.
>> We can provide the exact measurements for you of the distance uh that was I believe even stated at the planning board meeting and um and it is a and the requirement of less than 1,000 ft is what this council adopted in its
redevelopment plan. So, what's the process for people who are coming home with personal belongings that need to transition their belongings into their apartments? >> And thank you for that question. Yes,
there are drop off areas in the site where that people can drive into and go in the site just like there's drop off areas for um Amazon delivery boxes and things like that. There are places for a person to come into the site, drive in the site, drop things off and leave and
then go park. >> How many drop off sites are there? >> It's it drop off sites. It's one area of of drop offs >> that can one area for Amazon or one area for everyone.
>> It's a drop off area. >> Okay. How many vehicles can it accommodate? Um, I think only a couple at a time, which is, uh, why the parking is located offsite. It's not going to be utilized by the tenants often. That's not the,
um, the how it's going to be utilized. >> All right. I'm not going to labor this any further. I'm sorry. What's your name again? >> My name is Adam Fiella. >> Fiella. >> Fine Ella. Mr. Fine Ella. So, I'm gonna give you a quick little synopsis. And this is actual fact. I in fact I have
the recording when I had to go to un to uh uh defend a a resident who was being threatened to be evicted. There was a drop off site right next door 13 and a half. They have maybe five parking spaces.
A car pulled in to transfer groceries upstairs. Another car came in. They were upset at their the length of their vehicle that it was unable to pull all the way forward. They couldn't pull around. So, they blocked the vehicle.
So, when the first car who's unloading groceries came back down, their vehicle was blocked. They blew the horn to alert the person that they were there trying to get out. person that was there
blocking them came down and she wasn't really a happy camper. In fact, they got into a verbal dispute that almost broke into a physical dispute, which I'm sure you're not very familiar with. But here, it's very frequent, happens all
the time. It's very common for me. Like, never mind that I worked at a karate school for 25 years teaching people to defend themselves. Has nothing to do with that. just the environment is very no um
>> it's not I mean that's not the word I'm trying to use either but it's very sensitive and people take issue with things that you or I possibly may not necessarily take issue
with. Like for example, I got to go to work and you blocking my damn car. So, as it may not be as important to you because you would be nowhere in sight
when two people get into a confrontation and one person gets stabbed or the children from those people now have discourse with each other. See, these are the realities that you callously
just so overlook because it's not that very important. The frustrations in an environment where eviction is overwhelming. The frustration with evictions is overwhelming.
And then tenants have to deal with manage all of these stresses while when it's a foot and a half of snow outside or it's raining outside or it's 16° below 16° outside. They got to walk 913
ft. So, you know, I know you may be looking at, well, it's what the what the project allows or what the redevelopment plan allows or what the council people are allowing you just to get away with. Doesn't sit very well with me. Doesn't.
And also, in accordance to Mr. Baron. I'm not really aligned with the fact that this is being promoted as an affordable housing project and rents for
uh are at the numbers that they are that that they're at. I mean, go ahead. You can you can quote them off because no one in the audience or at home has a packet. So, I'm I I would love to the director made me aware of what those numbers are. You can we can talk about that right now, too. the
the affordable um apartment rental numbers. >> Was that the question? The rents for the affordable units. >> How much are the rents? >> Update numbers. >> Don't talk. Well, we could start with the people who were making less than I
think it was what 30 22,000 20 25,000 it was on TV. >> So, while you're looking for it, I just want to say to the public, last week, these numbers were quoted directly by the director. So, anyone watched last week, you will hear the numbers as he
goes to reiterate them again this week, but they were clearly stated last week, but to the uh lawyer present, if he wants to reiterate the numbers for the public again. >> Yeah. Put the microphone a little bit louder. I can't. >> No, no. Uh, Raphael,
>> can you put his microphone a little bit louder because >> now he could >> Oh, just >> when you're speaking, >> speak close to the mic when you speak. >> Yeah. I just want >> speak a little close to the mic. >> Is this better? >> Yes, much better. >> Okay.
>> So, for I'll go by unit type and AMI to break it down. the um studios for the 30% of AMI, that's the area median income uh produced by they're based on uh HUD numbers, which
is the federal uh numbers for this specific region. Um the AMI is $28,2670 uh income a year and uh the rents $772 a month for studios for 50% AMI. The
area median income 50% of area median income for that is 48,850. The rent is $1,286 a month. Can can I interrupt just for a quick moment >> and I appreciate >> for a point of clarity because I don't want to rush through this.
>> So what you're saying is for the local area AMI which Mr. Baron just talked about the second one you talked about is that for someone making $58,000 or less. Correct. Uh yeah, the amount that's uh the HMFA guidelines,
>> it's 50% >> 50% of the AMI AMI for studios, it's the >> No, no, no, no. Not the price of the studio yet, which is how much someone would have to >> That's what I'm saying. The person making for um for studios because I
believe it's different because they look at uh like what family incomes are slightly different. Uh, it's 48,850 is the 50% AMI for studios. >> So, someone must be making 48,000 or less. >> Yes. $850
or less. >> But, but above 28 >> um they would fall into the 30% if they're uh 28,000 or less. >> They would still qualify for the >> So, to my point, >> they would qualify >> they make more than 28 but less than 48.
They they would also qualify for 50%. It's 50% or less. So if they make less than 28,000, they could qualify for either the 30% or the 50%. >> Okay. That's what I'm saying. All right. >> Yeah. And and the rent is how much? >> I'm just saying it doesn't have to be
just in the bandwidth. It could be less also. They can qualify for it. >> And the rent is how much for that? >> $1,286 a month. >> So $1,200 a month. The average
Patterson City employee makes about 35. In fact, the median household medium income in the city of Patterson is $35,000. That means a person making $35,000 is paying $1,200 for a studio. So, since
we're right there, let's not bother with the other numbers. Let's go to the onebedroom in the 50% medium. >> $1,378 a month. the income gets raised a slight bit to $51,125 a year.
>> 51,000. But again, we understand we're raising the requirement, but we're focusing on what that median household income is. So, a person making $35,000 who then has a child, not a s significant other, they're paying,300
for a onebedroom. >> They under the state guidelines, this is what we are required to do. Yes. >> It's not what we're required. You just heard Mr. Baron. You sat here the whole time. I was here. >> Yes, I heard. >> Mr. Baron laid out where he specifically outlined that the medium income in his
in his community was below that and and encouraged through through the level of support which we know we don't you guys have an upper hand in in that from that perspective. >> Many council why you why why would you I
don't understand. Why would you look like that? >> I don't understand what you mean by hand. We had a coun we had a hand. I don't know what you meant by that. That's explain. Let me explain. I didn't say anything. I was explain Let me explain. I want to be as clear as possible. >> As council members were speaking about
the item, most of which have already celebrated their support. They've already acknowledged that they're willing to support. Councilman Mendes was, you know, he was blowing the horn and waving flags. >> What is the problem with that?
>> I'm explaining what the problem is. >> I did my homework. I met with him. I did my homework. I went through my package. >> I thought I had the floor. >> I went through my package. I did my homework. Councilman, they answer my question and I approve it. >> Councilmen. Right. Council Mendes. Councilman.
>> Thank you, Council President. >> Council Mendes. >> I did my homework. I answer my questions. It's good. It doesn't mean it's good. Just because they answer the questions. Charles Baron just told you in Brooklyn >> the law is different in New Jersey.
>> Where Brooklyn is much more see it's not about where you are. It's about are you willing to hold people accountable. >> So I'm just going to listen. It's kind of pointless right prolonging this. It's it's just a m It's just amazing to me.
>> Pose a question. >> Yeah. Because can we oppose a question? Council President, pose a question because >> and then do a second. >> I I have the floor. >> I'll pose a question. Council President, please. Because >> you can pose a question. We need a second and then we move to close the
meeting. >> Is there a second? There's a second. Roll call. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> There's a Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. There's a first. There's a move. There's a move second. There's a
move and a second. Madame clerk, roll call. There's a postal question on the floor to close the meeting. >> Can we finish everything? >> Yes. Everything is done. I believe items number 13 and 19 were not addressed unless I dismiss something. I don't know. But 13 is on
regular 13 is >> on regular and 19 is on consent. >> 13 is regular and 19 is consent. Thank you very much. >> My house. >> Roll call, madam cler. >> Let me just say that if um >> roll call. We're in the middle of >> right now. You got people living cotton.
Councilwoman Cotton. Councilwoman Cotton. There's a motion in Councilwoman Cotton. Councilwoman Cotton. Roll call. Madam clerk. Councilwoman Cotton. They doing all $1,400. People are paying.
>> Roll call, Madam Clerk. Three people. >> Roll call. Most roll call to poll the question. >> Yes. And close the meeting. that we're closing the meeting. >> Close the meetings. >> All right, >> Councilwoman Cotton. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. I just want to say that um you know, I hear some of the
questions that's being asked and um uh my mom lived in Presidential Boulevard. I had to go to the parking lot. I had to keep a card in my car to take her groceries out and and bring them in. Um we didn't have the luxury then. I don't I didn't live there, but
my mom did. Um, so but then the issue I think here now is that and I'm getting more calls and you saying you are too. Everybody, you got people right here right now written rooms with three or three three different people living in one apartment. They
don't even know each other. >> Don't even know each other. >> Paying $14,500 a bit for one room. They got a little refrigerator in their room. They got a little microwave. They got this, you know. And if I can get somebody a studio for $772 because the
average DEO is going for 1,500 >> everywhere. >> So, so to me and and then you have to like the young lady was here and um >> my belief is you have a problem. I don't
think 30,000 people need to know your problem. I don't want you to come to that mic and tell us let me try to solve your problem. Let me try to figure out how I can get you to the right person. Let me try to figure out how I can get legal aid to help you. Let me try to
figure out um what you can do. We have a rent lady that I send people every single day. Every day for people not doing the right thing. >> And you know, and I tell people when you're not being treated right, you got to file something.
>> Because when you don't file nothing and just come to the mic, you got to file something. to make people do the right thing cuz once they get enough of of people being filed like on like I can see now some of these landlords cleaning their property cuz they tired now of
getting fined and they're finding a lot of people now they're finding them with dumping that their tenants or doing the wrong thing. You got to make sure your tenant do the right thing and and you hear people like what it just bother me when you you hear somebody
there's so many um I mean that's why we really need more inspectors. We need more of everything. Um to to stop people from doing what they should not be doing, you know. Um last night I went over a lady called me up. She got a
water leak in this in the street. So what you know I call pose valley water because I know they water. So to me sometimes you got to figure out let me just try to figure out how I can send you to the right person or how I can send you to where you need to go um to
solve some of the the the issues that um you know and I always say to people too that you know we need to help each other. You know, people can laugh all they want. Who cares? Like, you know, but my role is my, you know, make sure we do right. I want to just help you
jumpst start a career, help you um even like like now, you know, with TRA, people know that they're on TRA, they know in two years it's gone. You got to figure it out. >> You got to be able to figure out how I'm gonna pay my rent after two years. So,
that's when you try to do a career. Let's go to Addison Institute. Let's go to Addison Institute and and and and pick up a career to learn how to make more money. Addison, go somewhere. Let's send our people to, you know, stop.
Let's send them somewhere so they can get get what they need. But um with that being said and I just want to remind you I just got one more thing I want to my good friend is here Casey Melvin and he's with the Patterson Healing Collective and they're doing a Christmas
wonderland this Thursday at Cavs Park which is on North Maine and then they're doing another winter wonderland at Vera Ames Community Park which is on McGomery Street you know and I just want people to look at my page sometimes because
there's so many activities going on, so many events happening for everybody to be involved with something there. There is uh if you're not sure about something, then you go, but if you can come out, bring your kids to the winter
wonderland at K's Park and then to Ver Ames Community Park, which is this Thursday for Kyle's Park. Next Thursday is for uh Ver Ames Community Park. And there's so many uh activities and things that are going on. Um, you know, we need to I you know,
it's about trying to find the right person to talk to cuz there's a whole bunch. I know how people feel when you get switched from phone to phone to phone. Ain't nobody don't want to answer the phone. Nobody don't want to take your complaint. I'mma find the right one
for you, >> the right person that you need to talk to, to help you get yourself going. Thank you. And there's a lot of events. So everybody, please look at my Facebook page of different activities that's going on. And once again, Addison Institute. You want to start a new career, go to Addison Institute. Start a
new career and learn how to make some money to to to better yourself. Thank you. I'm That's right. Thank you, Madam Clerk. With that being said, my vote is yes. >> Thank you, Councilwoman. Councilman Jackson. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk.
Miss Addison, any of these um any developers that walk away with $20 million in developers fees make any donations to your efforts? >> Not one. >> Not one. Thank you. That's disappointing. And councelor, and I'm not referring to I don't even know what
the developers fee is on this project. I don't even I didn't even get to that. But is there a gentleman named uh Levi Kellerman? No, you please don't m where where >> just shake just by shake of your head. Formerly blue onyx
>> former >> not current. >> Okay. How so so the former >> Yeah. >> owner walk me through the project less than four or five weeks ago. The former,
not the current. Okay. I guess it was a homeless person. Somebody I heard somebody say that in in the audience. A homeless person walked me through or had access to open with the locks and and uh
you know it's um it's amazing. Very disappointing. Council President, I have to say this. You have uh exceeded all expectations tonight. um in and in and and um your objective to
to deviate from the purpose of the people. Um I I I agree with um I think brother Balo if it was the governor elect or the assemblymen guarantee watch watch they
will be allotted time and for those of you longtime Patteradisonson residents right for years the list remained at the podium And if if the public portion didn't
start, in fact, even if the public portion started, you will be allowed the privilege to be able to sign your name and speak because it's a part of governance.
Governance is a part of uh uh your civic right to come here and and express your displeasure or andor pleasure. You should not be required to stroke someone's ego in order to gain
extra time at the microphone. You should not be required to stroke someone's ego in order to be able to speak. And you know, I I have to look at this because this is borderline, you know, um
infringing on people's rights. You could continue to make all the noises you want to make. I mean, it is what it is and and the public is seeing it. People had an opportunity to see exactly who is working on your behalf
and who is not. The measure to take us out of the Garden State growth zone is a very big deal. And yet, you know, even this project will be a beneficiary of the Garden State growth
zone where the first 10 years they uh will pay zero taxes on Well, I wonder how that works cuz it's not a new build. >> No, you don't know why. No, that's Yeah, I'll look at the current assessed
value. But um listen, I I'm I'm by far I was accused of of uh not or being against developers. That's not it. That's not the case. If you want a copy of the current
pilot list, please inbox me. I will send it to you. It is going to bankrupt the city. You cannot afford to have 300 plus new developments and have them not paying their fair
share in taxes. More importantly, have we done a study? I would love to see if the director has on the number of evictions just this week alone. I I whether 10
families. I have a young lady who uh I I was uh called by a supervisor. He was sitting in the back today. Supervisor of social services. >> He said he paid they paid the back rent. They paid all of the money that was that
was that was owed. They still evicted the person and they threw out all their belongings including her urn for her mother's ashes. This is the rate of disrespect that we go through with the with people who
don't care about the the people who reside in their spaces. Every single day I got families right I I came home this afternoon. The family right across the street from my house. They all outside crying. All outside
crying. The landlords are refusing to take the the rent. Now you guys are hear me tonight. Corporation, Madam through the chair, corporation council. There's an there's a a an ordinance that
the city of Pake put in place which prohibits landlords from evicting a tenant for the sole purpose of raising the rents. It still requires that they can only
raise the rent to allotted 5%. We in the city of Patterson need this this this this in place. And if you think because you're a homeowner, it's not going to impact you. It's going to because what they're doing is they're
evicting people because their rate that they're currently paying is below what they're looking for and they're stretching it well beyond the AMI. >> It's abuse. It's abuse. It's abuse of power, which
we witnessed tonight. It's the neglect of the public's concerns, which we which we witness tonight. It's prioritizing people who are here to do business, which we witness. I mean, we're witnessing all these things unfold
right in front of our faces. We what we witness tonight is the hierarchy of authority, right? Well, we celebrate because a person has just won an election to a state assembly seat and we keep off the the the opportunity to have
a in full discussion about the uh the the overran running of abatements. People, elections matter. Elections matter. We have some very important elections coming up. And
if you decide to continue to allow what's going on to continue to happen, then you deserve everything you're getting. You deserve everything you're getting. They're they're walking around celebrating of what's happening in this
city. I mean, I haven't been here as long as some people, but I've been here long enough. This is the worst the city's ever been in. worse shape. And when I tell you they lie, they lie like thieves in the night.
>> I know you was living here when they was picking cotton. I remember council woman. >> So, the gentleman who was over um uh uh what is it? Historic preservation. What
is that position? Historic preservation. So, let me tell you how how how insulting they get. I was in my office with Mr. Baron and he was outside my office having a discussion with Councilman Mendes with regard to the
sign for uh the Underground Railroad, which has, you know, um insignias or photograph of of black a black person. It's something
that represents, you know, black people. So, I guess I caught him off guard because as I come out, he sees me there and he says I see that the the the sign has something to do with the black community and he's speaking to
Councilman Mendes about it. And uh he says, "Oh, Councilman, I I I sent you emails, called you m I said you I never got a call. I called you multiple times. I text you. So, oh,
really? Okay. What's your phone number? And the gentleman was was here to witness it. Put his number in my phone. I don't have any text messages from you. Text him. He doesn't have any text
messages in his phone from for me. It's just a matter of the the lack of respect that they have for us here. You will blatantly lie in my face. It's something that has to do directly with the people that I represent and people who don't live here are making these key decisions
on how things are implemented in our community. So, I'll say this last piece. Council President, you assured me that next week you told me next week I'll be able to do my presentation. >> You You said you didn't tell me that.
But why? Well, why wouldn't you have told me that? You didn't tell me that um that there was too many um presentations on
for today and they had to do it next week. >> No, I said next week as well >> and and my items have to be sidelined. No, I requested this over a month ago. No, but you didn't request a presentation. You requested >> Yes, I did.
>> You requested that you requested that it goes. But the question is there was a committee meeting on Friday. It wasn't in that committee. >> It doesn't matter. It doesn't it's not required based on our on our um charter
that it has to be an item. All those items that Udin does when he gets up there and prays and and gives out plaques that doesn't go before a committee. >> No. When he gives out but no you give them time. You give a microphone time but they request
>> give time all the time. They request in advance for >> and I did as well as I had Sophia. >> Sophia never told me but you can ask any one of them but last I've been calling you more than a week.
>> I've been calling you more than a week. These presentations have been requested three weeks ago. >> We have two we have tonight for another one. What what presentation we have? What do what do you think for >> Well, counselor, you're not going to
listen to me. So, I'm just telling you there's presentations tonight. If you would like it next week, that's fine. But tonight, I cannot allow to talk. We have a few presentations tonight. >> What presentations are tonight? >> Right. Well, I got to call you back. I'm working on the building. >> Let me I want to rewind it tonight
>> cuz I I don't know if you you >> That's right. >> So So So you didn't just say that if I want it next week, that's fine. >> You didn't say that. You have the floor. I'll answer later. I will I will >> You didn't say that. >> I will clearly answer with my speaker.
>> So, Council President, you just told me I was lying. >> Would you like me to respond, Councilman Jackson? Because I >> I would I will at the end. I will. >> And then and then the community will laugh at you. >> So, can I can I do it next week or not?
>> Absolutely not. And I will respond why. >> But you didn't just say that I could do it next week. >> I'll respond why. cuz the community sometime needs to see your empty rhetoric. Commissioner, I know they come and you bring your crew, you bring people here to clap for you, but when I give my clothes out and tell the
community what you really did, they'll have a different perspective. >> See, and then I'll show I'll let them hear my tape. >> Good to see you. >> And then they'll see what's really going on. >> Yo, see here's the here's the thing. And and I and I apologize for calling a few names because some people don't like to be called out.
>> See, people that come here to support They don't come here to support me. They come to support what's right. >> People like Miss Barbie Watkins and you know the the one who you lied about when you was doing when you were doing the uh when you was doing the the appointment
as well when you said oh you you called the same people know that you what you you have a you have a a track record of of not being truthful >> really. >> So you just told me you didn't say that you called me a liar. I played a tape that you said I could do it next week.
Well, I'll address it at the end. I I'm I'm gladly going to address why your item is not there. But it's not about why don't blame the council just told me. >> Don't blame the do your due diligence. Don't blame the council president when you don't do your job.
>> Council member, don't blame me. And what job did I not do? >> We'll talk about it. >> What job did I not do? >> Point of order. >> What job did I not do? >> Point of order. >> Point of order. >> Council Presley. >> Yes. >> Point of order. We tried. We finished all the item on the agenda. >> Yes. We tried to close this meeting.
>> Yes. >> Well, so let's be civil. We have this conversation. Can we just give, you know, just give the rest of the council khali the opportunity to vote and close the meeting? >> Well, if someone puts opposed question on the floor. >> No, no, no, no. We need to speak. Let's close the meeting. Please, let's time to
speak now. >> Did the council vote already? >> No. We waiting for his vote. That's right. >> So, what are we doing here? >> I'm being interrupted. You call the point of order. But you never made a point of order. >> Councilman, I just waited for you to council men
to finish. Can you pass? You pass and then you pass. Can we continue voting? >> You call the point of vote. >> So you pass already. So let me speak now. I'm ready to vote. >> What I'm doing is I'm ready to vote. Mon, council president. I'm ready to you pass. Point out your ignorance. Council president will go back to you. I'm pointing out your ignorance.
>> She will go back to you. Members, pass the president. I'm voting because after this I'm leaving. But let me say something. I did not pass. Let me point is I'm pointing out your ignorance. >> No, no, you in it now because you pretended to have us all night here with your nonsens. Now, let me put you on
your spot right there. Let me listen. It's already We finished the item and I'll be very patient. You've been on the mic for 30 minutes and we tried to close this meeting. >> I'm not there, my friend. I'm not there. >> I got the mic. >> But let me tell you, you're out of order. >> You have the mic. So, wrap it up. Just
finish your pointing. >> You're out of order. So, if you pass Councilman Mendes, because you know what? Now that I have the mic, listen. Before No, now before everybody leave, let me just say this because after this I'm leaving. Let me just say this.
Because you're voting against everything. You're not fighting for the people. >> That's right. >> You're not. >> Let me just tell you, you have to make up your mind. >> Yes. >> Sometime it sounds popular what you say. >> You want to hear people clapping. >> It's fine and fun. But when you sitting
in this chair, you have to be responsible about the thing that you're doing. And let me tell you why. You always talk about eviction. Hear this out. You talk about eviction. I understand that we're going through a lot. I was the one the second the motion to table that project and I'm always say
that I'm a very effective legislator. Second, but I was second. You put the motion. I moved it. I have the floor now. I have the floor. Let me finish point of order. So he does not have the floor. >> So I second the motion. You know what? I did my homework. >> I did my homework. My concern was
parking because there's no parking in the city. That's right. People going through a a lot by finding parking. >> Yes, >> I did my homework. They answer my question. I understand that we need those type of project based on income. Our resident in the city of Patterson making $35,000.
They can't afford it to pay $2,500 for an apartment. They can't afford it to pay $2,000 for an apartment. That's the reason why we have this type of project. So you see people getting evicted. Why is that? Is because listen, making that kind of money, our resident can't afford
it to pay $25, $3,000 for an apartment. That's the reason why you see so many eviction. Let's be honest. Let's talk about let's be serious about the business that we doing here. And let's not play game here. So plain and simple, I did the homework. I I approved the
project because that's what we need. So in order for you to be an effective legislator, you have to be able to sit with every even even if you don't like the person or you don't. Everybody knows that the mayor and I when you know we have so many problem but guess what? When I need to sit down with I sit down
with him or or with anybody on this chamber council Jackson is at the DPW committee. You refuse to go to the committee. You're not an effective legislator. How you going to sit here and not go to those committee meeting? How you not going to do the homework? It's not it's not behind closed door conversation. I'm sorry. Listen, this
package that you have before we stay here, you got to do the work over there. >> Name one thing you've done. You got to do the work there. Don't tell me tell me, "Oh, I'm fighting." >> Name one thing you've done council. You don't do the homework. You don't do the work. You don't put the time. >> Name one thing you've done in the committee meeting about Bruce. Say that
against Bruce. When you know that Bruce Lo wasn't ready for that project to have construction projects done in a committee meeting that has been a benefit to the public. Council, >> can you name one thing? >> You can't.
>> You can't name one thing. >> Name one thing that you've done in the committee meeting. That's >> better than you. >> By far. By far. I'm better than you. My vote is yes, man. I'm leaving. >> Can you name one thing? Of course you can. >> Of course. >> More affected you 20 times.
>> Name one thing 20 times. >> Name one. >> You need to learn how to work with >> name one thing. This city is a yes. Council >> and it's on your watch. >> Not pass. Council member Bles. >> Thank you, Council President. I just want to say one simple thing. Uh
>> you know why the reason people come from out of city and disrespect us? >> Because this same way that we conduct here >> simple like that. >> The one thing >> the councilman came. I know that if I go
to any council meeting out of the city and I conducted the way I conducted, they're going to probably throw me out >> or arrest me over there for disobedience or or breaking the rules in those chambers in New York or whatever.
Patterson, listen up. And I got say loud and clear sometimes when I leave this meeting and I go home and I rebroadcast those meetings I feel
ashamed what's going on sometimes here. So gentlemen you guys did a good presentation I think you guys here was for the support of a letter for financial through the state. The rules are set by the state. Your
project was approved by a board of the city of Patterson. I'm surprised with the conduct of us. I got to say us. Still people want to invest in Patterson and still do business in Patterson. And
let me say this, sir. With all your respect, I don't go where you live. I don't go to your house. I don't go to your meetings. and say that you stealing. You had to prove that we here to legislate and make sure that the city of Patterson move forward and making sure that the
homework is doing a proper way. Madame clerk, I want to congratulate you for beautifying our chambers this year with the Christmas ornaments out here and to the secretaries for the great job they've been doing to maintain the
Christmas spirit in the city and holidays in the city of Basen. Commissioner Sometime we have to go some kind of detox >> just put absence >> because this is crazy here. >> That's why I pray before I go inside my house. >> God bless you all. My vote is yes.
>> Thank you council president. >> So first and foremost um as we come to close of this meeting on tonight I want to say this. First of all is illegal to record a conversation without asking the person for permission. So, I'm going to
file file in regards to that because that is illegal. But I want to say to the public, I want to say to the community that is watching and corporation council, I need you to respond, the item for the Garden State growth zone, that item that was
presented, the reason why it is not on the agenda is not because of council president. The reason it is not on is because the item is in draft. The item is in draft. Corporation council um did
you sign off on that document? No, he did not. The director of economic development had concerns did not sign off on it. It did not go through the proper committees. So to the public, whether you want to believe it or not, Council President Mims did not stop that
item. The item did not get approved through the director. She is here. She is telling you she did not approve it. It did not go through committee and it is not on legal paper. We as council members cannot vote on anything that is
not on ordination paper. In closing, I spoke to the uh assemblymen that came. We had a conversation before the meeting and everyone knows if you ask me for time, I all lot the extra time. We had about a 10-minute conversation before
the council meeting. He never mentioned he wanted extra time until he came to the microphone. If you view other municipalities, when people want to speak extra time, they call the day before. In Newark, you can't just come and sign up on that day. You have to
call a day before. As someone that is a former elected person, they know the process and rules. It may be different from New York and New Jersey, but there's always a set decorum in any municipal chambers. I'm not going to allow anyone to come into this chambers
to disrupt it or cause um chaos in our chambers because you want to vent about things you've done in another town, which is great. New York and New Jersey laws are totally separate. And these items that are on our agenda, we have great working relationships with our
partners in the county, in the state, and at a federal level. I admonish all of the people that have concerns with the Garden State growth to review the bill. It was sponsored by some of the legislators that we vote for. So, if you
have concerns with that item, please talk to the state legislators. Maybe you can have a conversation. They can amend it or change it. That goes beyond the local municipality. And that is what I've been saying behind the scenes. That was written in 2021. It was through
committee. It is Assembly Bill 8 A5683. If you look it up, you will find it. So I don't to me I tell people whether you like mems or not mems is going to give you the facts and every community member
thank you so much for your response on tonight. I'm not going to respond to anyone that comes to the mic to call anyone out of their name. It is disrespectful and it is uncalled for. This is the council's chamber and is city business and we will not tolerate disrespect. Madame clerk, my vote is
yes. The agenda was done an hour and a half ago. It is time to go home. Good night everybody. >> Thank you. >> Council President, the votes are five in favor, four absent. The workshop session of December 9th, 2025 is hereby
adjourned. Good night, Patter.