Fire it up. Good evening. Welcome to the October 28th, 2025 meeting of the Bonic Township Council. Miss Marsh, your microphone. Sure. In accordance with the requirements of
New Jersey's open public meetings act, notice of this meeting was included in the annual meeting notice which was filed in the office of the township clerk, posted on the bulletin board in the municipal building, published as a legal notice in the suburban trends and daily record newspapers, and distributed to all persons requesting notice in accordance with township policy.
>> Thank you. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance followed by prayer and a moment of thanks for individuals serving our nation. Also remembering the people in the path of Melissa. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Most gracious providence, we ask that you bless this governing body with an abundance of wisdom and understanding so that every deliberation will result in actions
which will promote the common good and the general welfare for all the people of Bquinic Township. Amen. Amen. The >> clerk will please call the role. >> Minch here. Mr. Cole >> here.
>> Mrs. Russell is absent. Mr. Syracusa >> here. Tracy, >> I am here. >> Presentations. There are none. Reports from volunteers at this time. Are there any reports or comments from any of the volunteers serving our community? >> Yes, sir. Mr. Peter.
>> Good evening. >> Good evening. My name is Peter Schmidt. I want to report on uh the hold down this year. We on our stand of the EDC, we had index cards for people to wanted
some handouts. Here I have the index cards and they had to write down uh what do they like most about our township and we actually collected uh 67 cards and uh I have to say throughout
positive news, positive feedback. Yeah. And and I I tabulated that a little bit. So the biggest sort of positive feedback is nice people in our community, nice feeling of a community and then next was
uh the parks and and the trail got very good feedback and uh um and then safety was was one sort of then lower down and good for seniors, good for for small uh one I want to single out um just uh six
year old boy came to the stand and I said here you have to fill this OUT and he said mom how do you spell school and mom said with two O's and he wrote down school and I think a town does something right if kids like to go to
school I mean the town and the school and the teachers yeah and uh I don't know every whether we can learn something from this or not but certainly we got a lot of positive feedback that people like to live in this Okay, that's my
>> Thank you. Yeah, thank thank you for that and for the committee for putting that together. And somebody told me a long time ago, if you want an honest opinion, ask a 5-year-old cuz they don't know anything other than give an honest opinion, right? Any other volunteers?
Peter, thank thank you again and thank thank the EDC for do for doing that. It's very good information. Moving on with the agenda is public comment. The comment period will be at little The comment period will be limited to a total of 30 minutes. Additional time is
reserved later in the meeting. We welcome comments, suggestions, and questions during the comment period. However, the purpose of this is to allow public comment, not to engage in dialogue. If you have a specific question, please feel free to pose it and then follow up with staff via telephone or email. Comments are limited
to 3 minutes. Please, if anyone wishes to address the council, please wait to be recognized and come to the microphone and provide your name for the record. Anyone seeing none, we'll close this portion of the meeting and move on to the manager's report. Mr. Brewer, thank you, Mr.
Mayor. Running quickly through my written report and then I have one additional item that is not within the report. Um back in September we had a conversation about the outside duty ordinance and the administration of that being through a third party. Um the ordinance has now been prepared based
upon the discussion took place uh council me as well as with input from the police department and Mr. Gite and me at the time there was a question regarding whether the uh administrative fee which is 8% not 20%. So previously reported to 20 is 8% would be charged to the board of education. through my
conversation with the chief. The board will work directly with PD as they currently do. So they'll work outside of the third party. So therefore, there will be no unnecessary expenditures of taxpayer dollars. Um otherwise there's no course cost to the municipality. Uh within the memo, I included the discussion points that took place in
September just to refresh everybody's memory. So if there's any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Otherwise, that's just there for edification purposes. Next up, and that is that ordinance is scheduled for potential introduction if the council sees fit. Next up for public hearing and potential adoption, we have the solid waste
utility rates. As we discussed over many meetings, unfortunately, uh the costs went up. I I don't want to use exponentially because it seems almost like it's a platitude these days, but they went up significantly and as a result of that, the the rates have to be adjusted accordingly. Uh the council was really
struck with the decision because to reduce to the lowest level cost of all services would resulted in a $200 annual increase and then to maintain the current levels of services roughly $280. No matter what it was going up significant again. Um and unfortunately
you know that there's nothing to to do with that other than to manage the process the best we can. We did reject bids. We did go back out. We did try to get the best prices possible with one bidder in the nature of the service in New Jersey. uh this direction was given to maintain the level of service as a result of the analysis of necessary
rates to support those awards. They are scheduled for public hearing potential adoption. We also have public hearing potential adoption on the Green View pickle ball tennis court fee membership costs uh previously established to have
$20 and $150 fee. The greenacres regulations do not permit out of municipal residents but instate residents to be charged anything more than 100% of the in town resident. So that has been reduced to 20 and 40. Uh we have a request from the board of
education. The council previously received a request from the board of education for support toward an accessible playground at North Boulevard School. This was a subject of conversation during the budget process for the 2025 budget. The board of education and volunteers were seeking
grants to locate an accessible playground in North Boulevard School because that is the location of the programs where those students are housed. And a request was made if the council would support through making this a community accessible playground a portion of the cash match. At the council's direction, $30,000 was
appropriated in the 2025 capital budget and uh we've moved forward with that. I'm not sure what the success or challenges were with the grants, but the previously identified grants may not have come to fruition. And now the request is being made that an
application be made to Green Acres for support for the flavor. Well, it's a state program, so there's some bureaucratic hurdles with Green Acres. The board of education is not permitted to make an application to Green Acres. Only the municipality is. So, as a component of that, there is a document
which is included under the resolution for the council's consideration signing uh that that I'm authorized to sign, but it signals to the state that the township is willing to take the steps necessary to be the lead on that application, execute a lease agreement
to in essence make that portion of the board property uh township and move forward accordingly. Um, based upon the council's direction with respect to the cash match, I made an assumption that you would want us to proceed with this application and schedule the resolution
authorizing the submission. Uh, there's already a meeting scheduled next week. We're up and running with this. Uh, the the access to the playground would of course be limited during school time, so you wouldn't be able to go there during regular school hours, but you would be able to and everyone kind of does anyway
on on the on the off hours. So that's why that that item has been scheduled in the manner that it that it is and the application kind of summarizes the other components of it that are required. Mr. Osteike is aware of this has dealt with this in the past. I've also dealt with this in the past and um based upon the partnership with the board of education
it seemed a little bit like a no-brainer to if I remember correctly this is going to be structured for special needs children because that's accessible. So that's that's that item. And then um the last two items in my written report are for discussion. One is a request from Bach Automotive to
connect to the sewer main and the last is regarding a ordinance to regulate certain electric bicycles and scooters. Um with respect to the final item that is not in my written report, but the council has documentation before it. On Friday afternoon, I received an email
from Mr. Wazneski, who was kind enough to appear this evening. Um, back some recent time ago, there was a presentation made uh regarding African-American history in Aquanic. And during that presentation, as a component of all of that, it was noted that there
were remains discovered sometime around 1936 at McDonald's Beach. There were remains that were uh from African-Americans in the community. Those remains were transferred to Ruckers. They were believed to have been placed there sometime around 1855
and they are now interned behind uh the reformed church across the street. So as a component of of that process and and recognizing the history there was a recommendation from the historic district commission and the chair who is Mr. Weski that um there be a marker
placed as the site was nominated for the New Jersey Black Heritage Trail. So as a component of the not the marker um the historic district commission identified some areas which are noted in the documentation for the governing body. Uh I sent an email back to m Mr. Weski
earlier today. I believe and public works leadership believes the best location for the marker would be uh the Woodland Lake parking lot area as it allows for easy visitation, easy parking. is the closest in proximity in McDonald's Beach where it's reported that the remains were found back in the
30s. Um, in reviewing this with Mr. While I have certain parties with respect to the letter, the placement of a marker on public property really should be run by the governing body. Uh, the reason it wasn't scheduled for a future meeting was because there's a deadline of October 31st for the documentation.
SO, IF there are questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Again, Mr. Weski was kind enough to come out this evening. Um, if the council sees fit to approve it, we'll proceed accordingly. >> I have no problem with that. I think >> I think it's great. >> One late one. I think so.
>> Seems like a good place. >> Dave, do you agree? >> Thank you, Dave. >> Thank you. >> So, we'll proceed accordingly and sign the necessary documents and complete them with your consultation, Mr. and we can get it in for the first time. >> Yeah, sounds good. Sounds perfect. Thank
you everybody. Thank you, Mr. Thanks for your work. >> Right. Any other comments from council on the report? >> Only thing I wanted to ask really quick, and forgive me if I'm uh repeating myself. I'm trying to remember when we're talking about the off duty police
employment. Um, does that would stuff like that count for like if you need police at like a chamber event or is that something totally different? >> Like the board of education >> like I know we talked about board of education
>> if there's a public event where where Rotary or somebody else is working on something I believe we can work around >> like that's why I was wondering about like some of these like chamber >> because at those events the outside organization isn't paying them at least anyway. Yeah, there's a request made. So
essentially, it's it's an internal assignment of responsibility. >> Is it more for outside? >> So it's it's more just for the outside contractors and it just makes it easier for bookkeeping stuff. >> It it addresses a significant financial liability that the township faces and um
it really has become the norm. >> Yeah. >> And and when we originally discussed this back in September, we had the significant projects. I keep saying significant tonight. I don't know why. We had a big project, the POS project, and at the conclusion of the POS project, the contractor said, "Do you use company X or do you use company Y
for your outside duty?" We said, "No, we handle it in house." And they went, "Wow, POS Verizon POS." The Verizon buildout was where we had the significant financial liability um send some people after. And and trust me, Chief Commun is a heck of a bill collector. There's no doubt about that.
Right. He can he can definitely influence folks but we we want to use them in that capacity unless that does have other things. Correct. Nothing internal. >> Okay. >> Or nothing that is part of community events that provides the services based upon the direction of everybody.
>> Okay. >> Any other comments? >> No. And I know I just want to say again just on the um garbage collection this the solid waste. We tried to keep it down as much as we could. Um, but at the end of the day, it wasn't that much more to go with the full service like we have
now. Garbage twice a week and you know each recycling once once a week. So, we felt through it was worth it to stay that way and vegetated waste from April 1st right. Thank you. And we only have one
so um Okay, so moving on public hearings. Next on the agenda is public hearing on orders number 2025-14. Miss Marsh. >> Ordinance number 202514 is an ordinance amending chapters 152 and 237 of the code of the township of Aquanic and
establishing membership fees and rules for pickle ball and tennis court use. >> Thank you. Are there any comments from councel? >> Nope. >> Is there a motion to open the public hearing? >> Second. All in favor? >> I. Um, if anyone in the audience has any
questions or comments on this ordinance, please come to the microphone and identify yourself for the record. Seeing none, is there a motion to close the public hearing to make that motion? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I uh is there a motion to adopt this
ordinance? >> I'll make that motion to adopt ordinance 2025-14 through 2025. >> Second. >> I'll second. >> Roll call, please. >> Mrs. Mr. Lynch. >> Yes. >> Mr. Cole, >> yes. >> Mr. Syracus, >> yes.
>> Mayor Tracy, >> yes. Next on the agenda is public hearing on ordinance number 2025-15, Miss Marsh. >> Ordinance 202515 is an ordinance to amend chapter 124 entitled solid waste utility of the code of the township of
Clark. >> Thank you. Is there any comments from council? >> Nope. >> Is there a motion to open the public hearing? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. >> If anyone in the public has any questions or comments on this ordinance, please come to the microphone and
identify yourself for the record. >> Seeing no, is there a motion to close the public hearing? I'll make the motion. >> All in favor? >> I think I just move both. I'll figure it out. >> Motion to adopt this ordinance. Uh I
move to the second. I'll second it. Roll call. >> Mrs. Lawrence Lynch. >> Yes. >> Mr. Cole. >> Yes. >> Mr. Syracus. >> Yes. >> Mayor Tracy. >> Yes. Next item on the agenda is introduction of ordinances. Miss Marsh.
>> Ordinance number 202516 is an ordinance amending the code of the township of Aquanic and regulating outside detail police services. >> Thank you, Mr. Brewer. Any other comments? Not unless there are a question, sir. That's right. Any comments from council? >> No. >> No. >> Is there a motion to to introduce this
ordinance on first reading? >> I'll make a motion to introduce ordinance number 2025-16. >> Second. >> Roll call, please. >> Mrs. Lawrence Lynch. >> Yes. Mr. Cole, >> Mr. Syracus. >> Yes. >> Mayor Dre.
>> Yes. >> Next is resolutions. Miss Mark >> beginning with resolution R2025198 extending the grace period for the fourth quarter payment of water utility and sewer utility charges. That's the formalization of the motion you made
last meeting. 2025 1999 authorizing the execution of an agreement between Damian Ramirez and Wanda Ramirez for the removal of encroachments on municipal property. 200 authorizing the execution and submission of a New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection
Green Acres Program request for Greenacres funding for facilities on board of education property form R2025201 determining the form and other details of one or more notes relating to the construction financing loan program of
the New Jersey Infrastructure Bank to be issued in the aggregate principal amount of up to $5,250,000 providing for the issuance and sale of such notes to the New Jersey Infrastructure Bank and authorizing the execution and delivery of such notes by
the township in favor of the New Jersey Infrastructure Bank. All pursuant to the New Jersey Infrastructure Bank construction financing load program. >> I thought I missed the line in there. R
20225202 authorizing tax office refunds over payments or cancellations and 2025203 approving payment of the itemized set claims as set forth on the October 9th 2025 bill list and FEMA elevation escro list. >> Thank you. Thank you. Definitely get a
gold star for number 2011. That was a mouthful. Um are there any comments on the resolutions from council? >> No. >> None. Is there a motion to adopt these resolutions? >> I'll make that motion. >> Is there a second? I'll second. Do you have to say the numbers?
>> No, it's fine. Okay, we're good. >> Roll call, please. >> Mrs. Florence Lynch, >> yes. Mr. Cole, >> yes. >> Mr. Syracusa, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Moving on. The next item is items for discussion. Uh, the first item, I guess, is the Bach Automotive Surf connection
request. >> Yes, sir. If you'd like a quick orientation to that, uh, the council has in its packet correspondence from Mr. Bach. uh that includes a map and some estimates. The request
simply is to create a 50ft sewer lateral in the municipal right of way and connect from Bak Automotive into a pool. Reason this is before the governing body is because the sewer master plan and the corresponding municipal code requires
the connection of of uh properties to sewers to be in front of the property and to not be in man. So essentially the policy which is codified requires the extension of the main to then have B automotive connected
to it. The request was already made to staff and me. It was denied because staff does not have the authority to grant waiver from a relief from this ordinances of council but the appropriate ladies body has that authority. Um what is proposed is
colloially referred to as a spaghetti line. And the challenge with spaghetti lines is the reason the ordinance prohibits it is because uh maintenance can be an issue and locating the the line can be a challenge when everybody who's there sees what's constructed
addresses it. That's fine. But 50 years from now it gets a little bit interesting. Um the council does have some examples where previous relief has been given for this requirement and in those examples a sewer extension agreement has been executed so that everything is clearly articulated and on
file with the public works department. So locating things is not as much of a challenge. Um within the packet that was provided to the governing body are estimates. One is for the spaghetti line. The other is for the extension of the main as would be required by code
which would be the entire street. So one of the things I note in my memo is I don't know if the property owner contemplated or got estimates to extend the main just in front of this property which would be an intermediary step um but also significantly more costly than
the proposed 50ft ladder. So, as this was a request made to the governing body, it was scheduled for discussion. I'm happy to answer any questions or address any followup that the council's. Does anybody else tie into this? >> No one else can tie into this beginning line as it's being uh proposed. So, no.
>> And I I know there's been conversation about future development past this set property. I think it should be in the agreement that if the property does ever get developed that Mr. Boach would have to connect to that line or whoever owns
it and abandon or whoever owns it would have to abandon his spaghetti line and connect to the regular sewer line which would be consistent with other approvals that have been provided. >> Yeah, I was going to say how often have we done other >> just once in my experience
>> just once in my experience. >> It's this is an unusual it's an unusual request. It's an unusual street, too. >> Yeah, it's not fully improved. Improved >> and I don't know if that'll ever be developed because it's wet.
>> Yeah, there's a lot of issues. >> I don't think there's a lot of I don't think it's high use. >> The develop potential is limited now, 100 years from now, who knows who knows sometimes, >> but you could get stuck in the agreement like you said. I think in the agreement has to say that
if it ever is developed and a regular shoreline gets run down that street he would have to die in abandon his spaghetti line die into the regular shoreline at his cost. Right. So the consensus I'm hearing is the council is okay with granting the necessary relief.
Um if that's the case I'll work with Mr. Hostike and the property owner and his professionals to prepare the necessary documents uh for council approval. It would make more sense for this to be on sewers occur. >> Yeah. I mean, that's what we're trying to do is get people on sewers, but not
provide an un >> right >> necessary burden to get there. >> Now, you just said you don't know if the cross he did was just for >> Well, the cost was for the spaghetti line and and doing something which would be consistent with our code, which would require the main the main to be extended
down the street. >> Yeah. >> So, it would be it would be shorter if you extended to his property, but still significantly more costly than zero. >> Yeah. Yeah, I understand why these might be ordinances there. So, anybody just can't do it. It has to be on a case by case and it just I don't have an issue with
this one as long as it's done permits required etc. Okay. So, so as as as in the past example, you know, we'll require specific plans and and um an agreement will be prepared identifying all the obligations responsible for maintenance and things like that because
that's the other thing is we don't want public works to be responsible for the potential uh can show their due diligence. Okay. >> All right. We good with that one? >> Yes, sir. Next item is electric bike and
scooter ordinance. This is interesting. Previously, I reported to the governing body at the last meeting that the uh police department uh stroke me and other professionals were reviewing kind of what's going around. Um there's been a
state of accidents, some of them fatal. Uh and and there's there's some significant concerns because you have technology and you know two wheeled vehicles for lack of a better description that are capable of speeds that are quiet and create some significant safety hazards. So we
endeavored to take a look at the ordinances that are around in the region and um with a lot of effort and input from the police department put forth something for the council's consideration that seeks to address electric scooters and class one and class 2 ebikes. Mhm.
You spray a little bit between class one, class two, and class three. It's amazing the things you learn. A couple years ago, it was ambulance types. Uh fire truck and it was that fire trucks is an ongoing one. Um from what I from what the definitions are, including the
ordinance, from what I understand, class one ebike is essentially a pedal assist. So when you pedal, there's something that helps you pedal faster, and if you're not pedaling, it'll do a little bit, but it's not going to do it for you. Class two is a pedal with some sort of throttle, whether it be a trigger or a a a twist like you do in the
motorcycle. Um, and class three would be those that are not regulated as a component of this, which do not have pedals and exceed the identified speeds. Um, those are currently regulated by state statute. Uh, so that's why the ordinance focus on
more on those that are not as as regulated. Um, so examples of class 3, no pedals. >> Those with no pedals, they go 40, >> which I believe they own class 20
pedals is is with class 2 again. The others are are just pedal. Um, Mr. I believe the class 3s you have to be registered. Class 3es you have to have driver's license. Driver's license. They have to they have to be registered with state. So they're treated more like
only addressing one and two. >> Correct. Right. But like how about these like motorcycle looking things that the kids are driving around? They don't have any pedals. >> Well, then that would require a license and the police have to There is >> to drive. There is there is regulations for that.
>> Okay. >> Great. just just full. >> Well, yeah, this is good cuz we're kind of learning stuff ourselves, but also providing knowledge to the residents that a lot of these things that kids are driving, they probably shouldn't be
driving. >> Correct. >> Um cuz I Go ahead. You can you can finish. >> No, that's and and that's that a lot of people that have um class 3 ebikes may not be aware of the requirements to do things. It's it's a learning curve. When
the state does things, people just may not know about it. So, one of the benefits of doing a local ordinance is it'll allow the police department to engage in an active education campaign and and if there's violations, we can write a local ordinance as opposed to just simply statute. >> Well, we definitely need to do it because it's very dangerous. I know a
lot of the towns around >> Is this something that we can work with the board of ed on for information push once we get this? Yeah, I guess cuz I know I know the web talking about this. It's already subject to discussion within our interaction with the the schools, but this will really create a
springboard for an educational campaign uh through through social media and other elements. There are some components of the ordinance that I just want to review with the council. Do you have a question, sir? >> Oh, I think you're going to bring it up because I serve the the sidewalk sidewalk. So, currently operation of a
bicycle is prohibited on a sidewalk. Um, as someone that walks on sidewalks a lot, I will encounter people with bicycles. If it's a 10-year-old kid, I tend to be a bit more sympathetic than if it's an adult. That's just my own personal opinion. Uh, however, the ordinance as
it's being circulated and and the examples that we're finding permits the operation of bicycles and scooters that aren't electric on sidewalks. So that's a policy question that the council should think about and make a decision whether we want to permit that to to
exist when it doesn't now or we want to leave the current prohibitions. >> I don't think one or two class one or two should be outside. >> No, this is just with pedals. >> Pedals. This ordinance would just permit those bicycles with pedals. I kind of think sidewalks are for walking.
>> I agree. I mean, if a kid wants No, I don't think they're going to kick them off. But if you get everybody right, right? You don't want to make the sidewalk into a bike. Correct. >> No. So, you have people traver
on a road >> and it's only 4 foot wide. >> Correct. Right. >> All right. So, so we're going to we're going to make a revision to to pro to keep the prohibition over that. >> Yeah. I don't think so. >> That's excellent. We'll make that revision. Um the other components of the the
ordinance again using the examples that are being circulated state that the operation of a class one and two ebike or an electric scooter unless expressly permitted by signage is prohibited. So even in, for example,
the parking lot of the municipal building, it wouldn't be permitted to be on the bike or scooter or PV parking lot, um, etc. There's a song about signs and what they do with the scenery. I'm not going to hum or sing it cuz I can't sing well. Thank you. Um, but the
addition of lots of signs may may not be something the council wants. Right. So, do we want to consider with the recommendation of staff the allowance for certain parking lots in other public areas where they specific >> where they feel different. >> Okay. I mean, I don't know. I mean, a
pedal assist is just like a bike in my mind, >> right? >> The one with a throttle is something >> right different. >> Different. That's more of a motorized vehicle to me. So, my thought is if you can drive that on the street, why can't I drive my dirt bike on the street? It's a motorized vehicle. It's got a motor.
what we're talking about. So, we're talking about one and two. You're talking about a two, which would be regulated by this ordinance. So, the question is, do we want to allow them in certain areas? I understand what you're saying about a pedal assist bike should be allowed wherever a bike goes. The one with the throttle I'm thinking is
different. That's what I'm >> and may and may be allowed in certain areas, but >> could be. But are we talking about signage? So, the reason I bring it up is because it's they're prohibited unless expressly permitted on public property.
So, I understand Mayor Dre is talking about something different and and creating a further divide, not lumping class one and two together, but creating a division between class ones and class 2s with different levels of permission. But, but specific to how the ordinance was drafted, I that's another factor and
that's up to the council. specific to how the ordinance is drafted. You wouldn't be able to ride it if if you took a class one or two ebike to baseball practice at Green View. That makes technically riding it in the parking lot would not be permitted unless there was a sign saying you're allowed to ride in the park.
>> Yeah, that doesn't make sense. >> So again, >> where are they going to ride the model? I want to check with council and the comment made previously was create a recommendation from the police department parks wreck to say where it should be allowed and we can make that explicit in the ordinance so we don't have signs everywhere saying
>> that makes sense >> yeah the police so the police and staff will that recommendation and ultimately it'll be >> and it'll be it'll be enumerated in the in the ordinance for the council's consideration tax reduction especially since a number of kids drive these These
are people. >> Yeah, they're going to go to baseball practice. They can't. What are they going to do? >> And I'm sure you're looking at the other towns and what they're doing. >> That's where they go. Yeah, this is most towns are doing this and prohibiting it everywhere, but that was something that we discussed internally as something
that may not be the best application for for quantity. Um, within the ordinance, it does specifically include the enforcement of the Mars County Park Commission's rules and regulations on the trail as anyone who violates the county's rules and
regulations can be subject to violation of this ordinance and they can ticket them for that. So, it'll include that as a component of it. Um, by way of reference on the county trail, class one and two ebikes and scooters are permitted. Segways are also permitted.
uh class 3 is not and then uh the last thing I just want to bring to the council's attention um is the enforcement and the penalties. Okay, so violations and penalties which are the last
uh three pages, two pages really the heading starts on page three. the last two pages it talks about violations for those over the age of 18 and uh penalties of viol violations for those under the age of 18 and specifically holding parents responsible.
Okay. So again just it's it's not long in terms of there's some you know the zoning ordinance is hundreds of pages but it it does include a lot of information. So those are just the things I want to make sure I call the council's attention prior to moving forward for potential reduction to make sure everyone's okay with
works for me. >> Yeah, the police obviously. >> Yeah, I don't have an issue with the responsibility. >> Okay, it's important to do though. Are there any other elements of this
that are concerns? There are questions. Want to see more? We want to see less. Low speeds 20 m hour or less. Yes. Maybe with the note for the parks just now that we can we're allowed in parks just stay off the fields in the course,
right? They drive in the parking lot. Yeah. Yeah, just not on >> my initial thought and obviously I'll confirm this with the staff that's that's heavily involved would be you're allowed to bring it to the in the parking lot put on the bike rack you're not driving on the paths right >> so for example in green view we don't want someone whipping down you know 15
mph between the sidewalk that's driving around with softball baseball fields at Washington Park doing jumps off the mountain >> yeah they can drive to the park park there go to their practice use essentially as transportation but it's not a bike trail and they want a bike
trail. They've got a nice 5m. >> Okay. Obviously, this is not the last time council can comment on it. So, once the ordinance is drafted up potential reduction, um things are going to jump off any changes that make and and obviously things can be changed in the
future if other issues come up and uh desires expressed by the council. All I have, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Yes, >> this is about as good as time as any to bring this up. I have another item of discussion which surfaced this morning.
Um, which is for a variety of reasons, we wound up with a planning board meeting and the November 10th council meeting scheduled on the same day at the same time in the same place. >> That's going to be fun. >> It might be confusing. And normally they would reschedule the
planning board meeting, but they've already the applicants already sent out all the notices. So we either need to it would be I would suggest either moving the council meeting or canceling the council meeting. >> I'm okay with canceling it if there's nothing on the >> Is there any specific beginning of
November? >> There's nothing specific. By way of example, the ordinance that was introduced tonight would just be notice for public hearing on the 28th. >> 28th. >> Wait, no. >> No. How many? I don't need this. >> The 25th. >> 25th. >> So, you wouldn't have a meeting in
November until the 25th. >> Yes. Correct. Correct. >> I mean, can we go that long? I think we're okay. >> There's I'm not aware of anything that there's a deadline for. Um, we may need to transfer funds, which is formidable the last two months of the year, but I don't think 25 days.
>> I mean, if everybody's okay with that, I'm fine. >> And then they can meet disappointment, then I don't think they'll run another meeting. I'll let you go. And if there's an e No, I agree. That's fine. And then we're only handling one in December. December 16th. All right. And if there's an e matter, a special meeting can be
scheduled. Yes. Something has to be dealt with. So it doesn't leave us in merch in case there's an operational assessment. Have it as of now or something. So nothing more. So we can keep >> Well, actually, since we're cancelling the November 10th meeting, there's always a couple special meetings coming up in December and in January. So, you
don't have to vote on it right now, but I am going to be out from December 9th to the 19th. I have to have a coral transplant, which I'm not really looking forward to. >> I I do not think that you'll be back on the 19th. >> I think I'll be back >> until after Christmas.
>> No, I think I'll be back then. Please don't tell me that. >> Please. >> It's a partial It's a partial one. It's minor surgery. You have to lay still for 3 days or something. Yeah. But yeah, we usually have special
meetings, right? Appointments of committees. >> Committees. And >> so can we make the first one on December 4th so Carol can participate? >> That's the one where I give you out the list and I there's a big long packet of
all the volunteers applications. >> Yeah. December 4th would be fine. >> December 4th. 6:00. >> Sure. >> 5:00 even works for me, but 6:00's fine. >> I can I can make 5:00. Can you make 5:00 when December 4th?
December 4th. >> I have something to say. I don't know how long it is. >> 6:00 is fine. Just do 6:00 cuz I'm not sure I can make that happen. >> Can we do 6:00? >> Yeah, I got something at 2 and I don't
know how long it's fine. 6:00 is um >> and then we can schedule the second one at that time depending on what you need. the 4th and then just put it in your heads that maybe a good time for the reorg is
January 6th which is the first Tuesday of January 4th meeting is going to be a special meeting. >> Yes, >> I may not be here but do I have to be six? >> I can do it on the phone.
doesn't have to be. I mean, you're not here. >> My calendar's bus. I mean, we could talk about this. It's the November 27th. Okay. So, that's what you're thinking. >> Yeah. I'm on a mission trip thing in New Orleans for 2 weeks. The 27th. So,
>> all right. The 27th for 2 weeks. >> Yeah. Matter. What day is it? >> Not that week. Yeah. That's why I thought I was free cuz that was the first Tuesday or whatever. Could we do it an hour before our
meeting on the 13th? No, we're counting beyond the 10 days and Oh, that would that would be on the 10. >> Yeah, you can do it. That's fine then. >> Yeah, we'll do it if you want. I can be on the phone. I'm just >> Yeah. Do the six. >> The six is fine. >> Well, the last time we, you know, and we
we fudged that a little bit by saying 10 business days. >> And I don't know whether the 13th is 10. is not a business or not. So maybe actually the first is a holiday so that doesn't count as a business day.
>> I think maybe we could. >> So that would actually be eight business days. >> So you could do it. >> Who's going to go? >> It's okay with me. >> Not me on the 13th. No, he said he was going to go home. Oh, yeah. Not me either. >> All right. So 13th 6:00.
>> Okay. >> Then I can be your regular meeting to follow thereafter. >> Follow immediately thereafter. Right. >> Right. Me at 9:00 noon, right? >> 6 a.m. Yes, we did. We all >> sit around looking at each other. >> Thank you for indulging me in that
conversation. I appreciate it. >> So, folks out there, if you want to get on a committee, now's the time to put in your application. >> YES. >> All righty. Are we done with No, there's no reports and notices if
we're done with items for discussion, right, sir? Yes. >> All right. Moving on to council reports and announcements. Councilman Thorson. >> Uh yes, just a couple of things. We had a great uh hoown last weekend. It was beautiful weather. Um thanks for
everyone that put that together. And then the American Legion sponsored a classic car show at PV Park that was also a great success. Shred Day was this past Saturday. people always appreciate uh the shred day that we put on. Um
people take advantage of that. Um economic development, they meet tomorrow night here in this room at 700 p.m. So if anybody wants to get on economic development next year, put in your application. Um and I saw we have an invitation for
the Veterans Day ceremony at PB School. That's on Tuesday, November 11th at 10:00 a.m. It's a wonderful um time for the community to come together for a wonderful Veterans Day celebration. So, everyone in town is
invited to that. The Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts get involved and everybody from the school comes out. It's a wonderful ceremony. So, hopefully the community will come out for that. Um, I see there we're looking for uh sponsors and
volunteers that's still needed for Wreaths Across America. That's another wonderful event that's being held on December 13th at the first um Reformed Cemetery Across the Street. Um, what
else do I have on here? Oh, and um as many of you know, um I guess it was 2 years ago now, we celebrated um Bud Hartacre's 100th birthday and he was a Pquanic resident who just passed away at
the age of 102, just shy of his 103rd birthday. Wow. Um so hope, you know, he's he'll be missed and his services are tomorrow at Scanland's. And last but not least, uh the historic district commission will meet uh
Wednesday, November 5th at 7 p.m. at the railroad station. That's their next meeting. And it will the station will also be open to the public on Sunday, November 16th. So if you haven't been by
the museum at the railroad station, feel free to stop by. They've done a wonderful job. That's it. >> Thank you, Melissa. Councilman Gold. All right. Uh, Pquonic Engine Company 2 is having a poker fundraiser on Sunday, November 2nd. Uh, it starts at 1:00. I
believe the food is out at 12:00. So, if you are interested, you can see any member of company 2. Um, also, company 1 is having the turkey trot on Thanksgiving morning. I believe that
starts at 9:00 at Green View Park. Uh, you should be able to be home by 10:30, 11:00 the latest, that's so if you want to burn off some calories before you eat all that good food for Thanksgiving, you can come to the uh turkey truck. Also, as Councilwoman
Florence Lynch said, Puquanic Codeown was a wonderful event. Uh, many thanks to the parks and wreck employees, DPW employees, Puquanic Police Department, everyone that was involved. I mean, it was a fantastic uh job. A really nice day that day. So, uh also happy
Halloween to all the children of the township. Enjoy and be safe. Uh and also please don't forget to get out and vote on November 4th. That's all I have. Thank you, mayor. Thank you, Dave. Councilman Syracuse
have nothing significant to report. All right. Good. My turn. Um, first like just again thank you for the opportunity to sit up here and serve the township. This is uh we got a good good group here like to like to keep doing
what we do. We don't always agree on everything but um we we seriously take the heart uh take heart as to what's the best for for the township. Um Odam was good. That was mentioned. Um I hear ladder number two is almost getting
there. That's a long time talking. >> Yeah, they were uh talking time. >> Members of company 2 were flew out to Wisconsin >> to serve the truck and do a final inspection and >> should be coming. >> That'll be nice to see her. >> Yeah, nice to see her.
>> Expected to be in use in December. >> Of this year this year. Wow. >> Probably won't have to wet down in December though. Probably be sometime in the spring. >> More more of an ice show. >> Yeah. And just so everyone knows, that was a $2.1 million fire truck that the
township paid for in cash. You'll not borrow any money for yes. Yes. Um yes. As uh Councilman Cole said, uh vote coming up soon, so vote. Um Veterans Day ceremonies, uh PBS has won. Rotary has a
nice um lunch over at the BFW link at Lincoln Park. If you're a veteran or know a veteran, um the free lunch, come on down. I'm not sure the date Melissa. >> Yeah, I I forgot. >> I got I got the information. >> I texted the pictures. I don't know. But
um it's always a good event. >> It is November 12th >> at 12 to 1 from 12:00 to 1:30 at the Lincoln Park American Legion, 133 Main Street, Lincoln Park. And if you want to help serve food, >> they like that.
>> Veterans, bring them down. >> Yeah. Um, and also I just would like just uh remind just again just prayers for everybody in the path of Melissa. It's uh I follow this a little closer than I did in recent years just cuz I tend to go places where stuff happens.
So this this storm is absolutely incredible. Absolutely incredible. So prayers for everybody in in in Melissa's path. Um and just uh parents, kids, ebikes, please. Um, I've had a couple close calls myself and it's usually, you know, passing them and trying to make a
right-hand turn and all of a sudden you look in your mirror and they're right there cuz they're quick. So, just please, please talk to them. We don't need any issues in town. Um, thank you to Miss Marsh for always putting this together, keeping everything running smoothly. Thank you. Thank you. And
that's all I got. So, moving on to public comment. As a reminder, we welcome comments, suggestions, and questions rather than dialogue. Comments are limited to 3 minutes. Please, if anyone wishes to address the council, please wait to be recognized. Come to the microphone and provide your name for the record.
Maybe Peter Smith. Uh, I live in Mana Avenue and since 2 or 3 weeks we have a shiny new sidewalk and uh, so it's really fun to walk there. I enjoy that very much.
I'm interested. The work that I saw is much more than I would have believed before. It was a lot of work. I mean you you saw that too. I would be interested in understanding how much does that cost you know how much is the cost? I don't know whether we have the number there.
>> Yeah. I'll watch the room when we're done. He may know for the citizens how much all these services cost. Item number one. Item number two is I walk in the morning. I enjoy that very much. Um, many kids come come against me and with me on the
sidewalk with their bicycles, but I think these little kids are much safer on the sidewalk than they are on the turn bike itself. Putting putting sort of their life into their hands. So maybe there's a way of doing good ordinances
and keeping the kids uh on the safe side. Okay. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Peter. Thank you. Yes, sir. Good to see you. Um, I plan to speak last uh last or last
meeting after listening um to your flood control officer, Mr. Nelson. Um, I began thinking about the drainage with regard to 60 sunset and what Mr. Nielson said about FEMA being able to reclass
areas based on such factors as ponding, hence requiring possible flood insurance uh for residents of that area. Uh keeping this in mind, I previously uh provided the zoning board with photographs uh and I could also submit
them by email if you so wish. um with the flooding that occurred on Room and Sunset about a year and a half ago due to a significant rain event. Uh with that in mind and the extent of drainage changes that 60 sunset is
proposing and they have not performed what what's known as an H&H um who did residents go to if FEMA should deem that area requiring flood insurance because of ponding. Again, that would be
significantly cause additional cost to the to those residents in that area, not to mention lowering the value of their homes. So, I'd like everybody to think about that. Um, additionally, previously, the lead engineer from One Global School stated
that the building could up hold up to 1500 people. Um, as you know, you you probably were not at that meet at those meetings, but that was said. Uh while they stated that staff and student body would be approximately 100 to 120
people, they never said anything. And the issue comes in if they outgrow the uh building, it has a potential for 1500 people and that area they did not do the traffic study to account for that. So
again, another thing to think about and for the lawyer to think about in this in this case. Um, again, I'd like to take a moment to thank all the Quantonic residents for all the efforts that they placed in and and took the time to provide respectful
and thoughtful responses and requests by the um with regards to the applicants various varances that they were um requesting. And finally, Mr. Walter stated a couple meetings ago that the
township attorney um that was engaged by the insurance company um agreed to statements that the plain of the plaintiff's attorney regarding the character of township citizens. As one of those citizens who attended those
meetings and brought up many valid points, I find that significantly disrespectful to the town residents. And again, I would like to take a moment to again ask the uh town council to think
about at least retaining a advisory attorney with regards to this to this matter. That's uh pretty much what I have with regards to 60 sunset. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh anybody else from public comment?
All right. Seeing none, we're going to close this section of the meeting. Um Mr. Ber, can you respond to the femur? FEMA that's in your light, right? >> Yeah. Okay. The FEMA ponding um the FEMA ponding comment. I'm not sure how that works. I'm not sure if you do or I'm not commenting on anything related to the
litigation. Okay. I I can comment on the sidewalk question, but I'm not to the litigation. All right. And then um any comments on the um insurance company attorney making statements about people? I know we talked about it briefly or you mentioned something, but it came up. So
yeah, we have talked about it and and that that was regrettable and I think he regrets it. Um we we've moved on and made it very clear we expect something different. We're going forward. Um I think we can say the township has retained the um retained a attorney to
do a independent attorney to do a secondary review. That is public knowledge. That should be public knowledge at this point because it is an expenditure. So moving forward with that. >> Okay. Right. So yeah, with with respect to sidewalks, if I could credit the
philosophy in the township aquatic, like with municipal streets, the township aquatic has a sidewalk rating program that's created by the municipal engineer and those in greatest need are are addressed uh moving forward. Having served as the chief executive or chief administrative officer of four different
municipalities, it's the only town I've ever worked in that replaces sidewalks uh streetwide as a project. Uh, in in every other town I've ever worked, the ordinances place the obligation for maintenance and repair on homeowners so that when they fall into disrepair, they can help homeowners to um repair them or
be subject to fines and summons. So, this is the only town that has a sidewalk replacement program like it does have a road replacement program. Not to say we don't have the same ordinances and hazards do themselves to do that, but it is it is a nice refreshing approach to dealing with the wholesale sidewalks that no one else has
ever done. So, credit to the council for funding that and that philosophy. Um, with respect to the matter avenue project, I don't remember the exact dollar amount. It was just over $100,000. So, by way of example, it is not inexpensive to do one of these every year. Uh, and the goal is to do one of
the sidewalks on the list descending order of priority uh every year. That's that's our goal with respect to funding. Not saying we're going to hit it every time. Uh, but so far we've done do a fair amount. We did well this year. We we did matter this year. Rock ledge last year. >> Rock ledge was last year. We try to do
one one one every year. So try to spend our money wisely but keep the infrastructure and recognize that it's infrastructure that needs to be replaced in wholesale and rather than obligate residents to do that for an entire street which is which is burdensome. I've had been I've been to public meetings where I've had to explain to a
room full of angry people that yes, it is your responsibility to do this or you're going to get fined. So the fact that that doesn't happen in the quantity township is another indicator of the approach to dealing with the citizens >> and the there's a list from the engineer that we this program it's done yet based on analysis that's independent
the council funds would end March 4th. All right. Thank you. Next on the agenda is approval uh minutes for approval. We have the September 9th minutes and September 23rd minutes. Any comments on those minutes? No. >> Is there a motion to approve these? Make
a motion to approve September 9th and September 23rd. Second, Mr. Vince. All in favor? >> I opposed. Next item on the agenda is a closed session discussion. Is there a motion to approve a resolution authorizing the township council to meet in executive
session to discuss litigation of Pasc Valley Learning Center versus Township of Puqua? Yes. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Opposed? At this time, the public portion of the meeting is recessed for close session. Thank you.