uh good evening everyone welcome to the March 12th 2024 meeting of panic Town Council Miss Marsh in accordance with the requirements of New Jersey's open public meetings act notice of this meeting was included in the annual meeting notice which was filed in the office of the Township Clerk posted on the bulletin board in the municipal building publishes a legal notice in the Suburban Trends and Daily Record newspapers and distributed to all persons requesting notice in accordance with Township policy please join me in a pledge of allegiance followed by a prayer and a moment of thanks for individuals serving our nation i al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all most gracious Providence we ask that you bless this governing body with an abundance of wisdom and understanding so that every deliberation will result in actions which will promote the common good and the general welfare for all of the people of pic Township amen amen amen excellent Miss March I was listbody please call a roll Mr Dy present Mrs Florence Lynch here Mr Cole here Mrs Russell here may or heard I am here all right there are no presentations scheduled for this evening uh at this time are there reports or comments from any of the volunteers serving our community uh seeing none okay next on the agenda is public comment public comment period will be limited to a total of 30 minutes an additional period for public comment is reserved later in the meeting individuals are requested to limit their questions and comments to 3 minutes if anyone wishes to address Council please wait to be recognize to come to the microphone and provide your name for the record on up hi I'm Jim Van dijk I'm the commander of American Legion Post 242 clop Jim all right good than counil um the reason I'm here today is post 242 is resurrecting the citizen of the Year program excellent um we're very much aware of the issues of the past and we um we want to leave that behind us and we're asking for the participation of two council members okay and that's what I'm proposing that's excellent okay um it'll be for Memorial Day you know to ride in the car and do the citizen of the Year program so that's what I'm here to inform would love to be on it anybody else from Council I would love to it I'd love to too so see what you created we'll put names need a lawyer and manager put names in a hat and we pull out two names you want to be in it so you we can put four names in a hat and just pick them I'm okay with that and this is for this year correct yes it's going to be for this year um we didn't have one last year and we want to have one this year okay and Carol are you going to be okay with getting everything out sure that's the spirit count I don't know if that was a question just just so I can be clear if I understand the council's direction we're going to put the four names who are interested in a hat and then procedurally is the council okay with Carol and I with a witness these names out of the hat and informing the Council of the results yeah that's I don't think you need a witness and you're going to have a witness I want Chief Comm witness you have as as you have a yes we're going to we're it's be a five person process or a seven person process I'm going back and forth on we're going back and forth on it right now it'll probably end up being a five person process where two members of uh the American Legion Post two members of the council and um one outstanding citizen okay I know you were just talking about this but I know in the past one of the issues was will two council members be one vote no two council members will be two votes okay right okay that's great thank you so much for doing this thank you you Mr Brewer will be in touch with the name names yes names too always a pleasure working with Mr V come on up just give us your name for the record Donna McGovern um I was here a couple weeks ago was about two weeks ago to talk about the flooding at the corner of um Andrews and Kenny so we made a little progress and then we had that one rain which was just this past week and it was worse than ever so it had backed up way past our house on Kenny and it went the opposite way on Andrews and it's still sitting there and it's pretty deep and the cars go splashing through it and we have people walking we're on the corner so we have people walking across our lawn because they don't want to walk through the water and I understand that that's fine um with walking their dogs and taking their walks in the morning and and we're just asking to for you to reconsider to do something whether it's just pumping the water out of the street into one of the other empty um pits which are a long Kenny if you go down to the end towards the Boulevard or you go up the opposite end towards wasburn those are empty and yet the three that are surrounding us are full and the water is overflowing and I believe Mr Gray I'm not sure if he could come tonight he actually has a sinkhole at the end of his driveway and the water is just bubbling up and it's going down uh Kenny to the end and it's dumping in one of the um one of the sewer drains down that end so we're just looking for some help here because we're going to get more rain on Thursday yeah it doesn't stop this has been the wetest in a long time and it's definitely not helping the process as we spoke about before as soon as we can get a little bit of dry area you know DPW is going to get in there open it up verify whether it's working or not as well as I know you were talking to some people about is there anything that we can do about it um I don't know is there can we pump even if you don't get into the pit I mean just to pump the water off the surface of the street it's a complicated issue and and you know as soon as the public works department can get in there and try to do something they will yeah because it it would take a it would take a drought of epic proportions for that water in the pit to be absolutely dry for anybody to go down in there and actually some of them are not that deep so and if it's clogged and if it's just a dry well that has accumulated leaves and sticks and dirt and whatever that's that's in there I know Jill at one point was picking up garbage that's been floating on the water so it doesn't go down into those sewer drains and I mean and then we're come we got mosquitoes now because we saw it tonight that mosquitoes are out cuz now that's just stagnant water that's just sitting in the street yeah so like I said if we could just pump the water off the street into one of those other dry pits which is just two houses away it would be huge help Adam when did we become aware of this was it January or was it after that was it my recollection is either late December or early January and we haven't had an opportunity at all to check it out yet oh it's the Public Works has checked it but there's there's limited action on what can be taken I mean the Surefire way to dry the street is to direct the cease of discharge of water into the street which is within the township Council and the and the administrative prerogative to do that's that's the way to dry it out the quickest but in an effort not to be unreasonable the Town hasn't exercised that Authority can they pump it across somebody else's lawn if they got into another drain I yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't get involved with that as a municipal government so I can't say acoss your neighbor and into neighbors have been I think the shorefire municipal action is a direction that there's no longer permitted the discharge of water into the street yeah yeah their basements would FL right cor that's that's that's so that's that's the theater of the time right so have a wet Street or a wet basement that's where we that's where we run into a problem or you pump it into a pit in the back of your house cuz that's where my son pump goes yeah yeah I have a I have a drywall as well and that could be the the answer is to tell people they need to the problem is the sponge is saturated yeah yeah I mean you know I but but if you were to do a new development reement is to retain all water on your own property so that's where we run into the Nexus of challenge because of what's Happening here so I I unfortunately my recommendation remains as soon as the public works department can take action pump out their basement right I mean I mean I wouldn't want to tell somebody they can't pump out their basement even if it is to the street right so what's the options right I mean we can't look at something that's full of water right and you don't I don't think there's I don't if there's pumps big enough to pump all that stuff out because the ground's saturated it just keeps filling you know the ground is so wet the water table's so high it's got no place to go we we understand that but if you drive around town it's so frustrating to see that everybody else those pits are all dry you can walk you can walk down Kenny to Washburn and walk around and you can look down into those sewer drains those pits there and they're empty and they're park has the same problem they have a dry well right at the beginning of park by Turnpike and it's the exact same issue basille seems I'm sorry no I was going to say is it because those dry Wells are just so shallow that's because we've had 20 plus inches of rain in 2 and half months which is unprecedented even compared to major storm events over the history of the township this is remember we had Beyond what's ever been recorded we had two major flooding events one December one January and then just the other day the river hits what 15 go down and so why wouldn't the other pits be full what if that's the case I mean you know and ours are not clogged which we believe they are why wouldn't every body else be in the same position why is it just in certain areas that maybe water Finds Its Own level I get that and and it could be that people don't have basement so they they don't have a sun pump they're not putting 20,000 gallons of water an hour into the street but just to clarify so new builds and Renovations whenever you're put water out like based on today's construction stuff right if I was to build a house or put an addition on my house I would be required to if I had some pumps in the in the basement I would be required to hold that water on my property right I would have to make a dryw somewhere and it would pump into there I don't know about the sump up but definitely you're down spouts all have to go into a pit onto your property based upon based upon the based upon the when I did that I just tied my right oh so all your gutters go into that and that yeah we have that as well but but Harry Bolton across the street from us he has that as well but it just it came bubbling up like I guess it was full so you know then it comes up and it flooded his basement in his yard and eventually comes out into the street yeah there's no easy answer and and I absolutely feel for you it's it's it's not fun and I know again as I said last time if we were able to have a drone over town you would literally be able to see where the lake is of town because you can see all the houses that are pumping and it's it's right across look at the dog park right we did go past that today yeah yeah so and I stopped I I went past you uh earlier today thank you I appre I appreciate you listening and uh your comp I wish we could do something and as soon as the water goes down we will look upbody wants the water off the municipal streets municipal government I yeah we have a great DPW and they do a great job and they know what they're doing so if they say there's no way to do it I can't go there and say yes there's a way to do it so you know we we got to trust them as well and they do do a great job for our town so wish it would stop raining yes amen I said that amen can I get a third well thank you appreciate your time listening thank you uh anybody else come on up uh I saw her first I'm sorry I'm going to let the young lady go okay elain Bella hi Ela was that too close Okay um I I understand last year that the town received a grant money for Street trees yes I think John I think you know about that the shade tree Commission sent out letters to I belong to the panck tennis club and we actually got a letter asking us if we would like to have two trees put on our property and uh and a friend of mine who lives on a on a street in town that has no sidewalks she also received a letter and she actually responded as to which trees cuz there's a list right some of them I don't agree with I think they're messy and you know invasive and shouldn't be anyway um so she sent in her two trees that she was interested in and never heard any anything she sent a couple of you know emails to DPW never heard anything anyway I I did get a hold of Dave and I did talk about Manor cuz that's really where the club is and we were told well those were letters were sent out a little bit too quickly and since we do have sidewalks there that we really are not going to be done first it's a it's the streets that don't have sidewalks I don't know where we are with that does anyone do you know where we are with that that rant cuzz I understand I did speak to somebody from DPW that said that I do know that if you don't use the money that it goes back so I was told that they did order the trees and they're being held at the nursery so probably knows a little bit better but we didn't we ran out of time last year and we would have planted too late so that was scheduled to get on this spring yeah my my the last communication I had with Mr siging was it would be this spring exactly when and spring is this month yes yes later later um with respect to sidewalks no sidewalks you may have greater information right now than I do okay so I'd have to follow up and I believe I have your email address I can reach out to you but do you know if they slate it to start it's it's a priority to get it done huh it's a priority to get it done I'm pretty sure my neighbor had two put in today on goax today oh really oh well that's encouraging yeah he was out when I rode by he was out looking at Adam Adam can you follow maybe it started yeah I'll reach out to to well I'm just wondering are all the trees going to be able to be planted this year this year I don't know how many trees they have on a schedule so we can find out for you yeah roughly $440,000 let's find out how many trees we request yeah because I I would like to see other people you know um actually call up DPW and say yeah I'd like to have trees you know that because I think the tree is the the big trees that come down we just need Street trees it's it's amazing it's amazing know how many people take down trees trees back well I know but if they if they see their neighbor and how beautiful they look and they understand that they actually soak up water and that you're not going to have a lot of flooding soak up a lot you know it's such a plus and uh there might be a nice program for the library you know somebody might just say you know uh I believe it was 3 years ago planted 450 trees uh in the flood zone just to start soaking it up and they've been doing great we haven't lost very many of them at all so I do remember the trees you did lose which was maybe a year or two before that with these little plantings on the other side of that yeah that was now we have all you know protection and we're we're getting ready to actually take them off cuz all the trees are out and really getting big so okay actually I just lost a tree in my backyard it just with the wind it just it was came 25t High yeah it just went right over roots and all so my other quick question is Green viw Park had those beautiful spruce trees along that front um soccer field and they really all came down over the last number of years any plans of them coming back cuz that was beautiful that was a nice barrier with those houses there I had somebody said look at the plan look at the to to give you the most direct answer no there's no plan at this time to replace those all right okay something to be considered moving forward but right now there is no plan or appropriation what about those two little oak trees that the salm oak trees are they going anywhere that are at Green view no I think they're they're supposed to be staying there oh is that where they're going to stay yeah that's okay all right yeah Happ there's a lot of debate on where to put that yeah there was a lot well if they're doing well leave them yeah okay thank you thank you very much and I'll follow up with you next afterwards yes Patrick Daily 7 can you please uh in regards to of water uh the issue was brought up my neighbor you know and I feel bad for uh all three of my neighbors but uh my neighbor Jill can't even get out of her driveway you know my w is pushing right out now you're saying flood my basement and shut off the pumps I'll shut off the pumps that's what you want right I have two pumps I have two 3/4 horsepower pumps you know and I like I said well over 4,000 gallons an hour so I mean you know I know what I know what I pump out a day and uh if I shut my pumps off their basement's flood right all right so that's not fair to my neighbors that's why I do it I mean I could I could pour concrete in my in my basement put everything thing up top put the boiler put the hot water heater but I won't do that to my neighbors I refuse to do that to my neighbors if you're asking us to shut off pumps no I don't think that's what John was saying I wouldn't be fair okay all right cuz I I want to be clear on that because if I shut my pumps off they're all in trouble no no what we said is if you want the water out of the street let's shut off the pumps but we don't want to shut off the pumps to so you got it's like one or the other cuz we would I would love to have both but me and my neighbors were both coming down the street today and as as early as today there's there's mosquitoes out in the street if I'm not you know mistaken they were flying all around us so now we got that issue and I took a wire poked it into the drain in front of Jill's house and about 10 ft in it's solid blocked it's blocked I can't get that wire in anymore going out towards the boulevard it's packed that means it's packed with leaves yeah that's what a drywall does right it's yeah that might be the ex I don't know where the drywall is or where the pipe goes or how big it is I don't think there is a pipe a it's a dra it's just a drain yeah it's a drain it's packed and I'm telling you you can it's you know I mean but like I said you go around our entire neighborhood everybody else's pumps are shut off we're the only one still pumping that's that's the low-lying area they say that but you know in the past we've had more rain than we've had more rain than this in the past we have we've had more rain than this in the past not in three months am I right we have we we we have we've had more rain in this in the past but not in three months yeah I can honestly say that we've also had slow throwing out in the spring which meant that the snow melt and it decreased and it went very slowly we've had nothing but warm weather this winter which was nothing but a wet rainy season and you know I I feel bad I mean you know the foundations of these homes are never going to be the same you know so it's either one or two options I got you know if I block up that basement and I put cement in it it's over a game over but I I'm not doing that because of my neighbors and I refuse to do that my my basement is only used for storage all my shelving is at least 3 ft off the ground and up just in case there's a power outage cuz we have a power outage in town we're all screwed we are all in chaos and you know I you know just went and bought another 3/4 horsepower to replace the 3/4 horsepower pump that I have you know and that's $600 on top of my electric bill you know I don't mind doing this but something's got to be cleaned out down there it's packed I me I think we agree it's just we can't get there right now I know I understand I understand but it's be our DPW they do a great job so if they say they can't do it then I'm you know I can't tell them to go do it so I think that's where we are it's we're we're getting there just we need some dry weather I and right now we had dry weather we had dry weather and the leaves were pushed in it that's when it was caused the leaves weren't I was there when the leaves were being picked up all right the leaves were pushed into the drain the guy came by with the hose and just pushed him into the drain that's all he did all right and I mean I witnessed it if I didn't witness it I wouldn't be here telling you in front of a board full of people but you know it is frustrating you know to see my neighbor is here and say everybody like this you know and it's uh you can't the kids can't come home that way you know they can't come down the one street they can't access the one street they have to walk across my neighbor's yard or they have to go on the other yard and then you know chill has got awake in front of her driveway from my pumps and there's garbage I I I need you to come up and name Jill noblet sorry I've been referred to a couple times but yeah my entire yard from one end to the other is all flooded and right now what's happening is you know people don't secure their garbage in town so it blows so I'm picking garbage out of there which is going in the sewer so any clog that's in there is getting worse and worse and worse with the leaves that are blowing with the storms that we've had with garbage and recycling and styrofoam and everything I'm in there picking out garbage and rodents that's not my job it's not fair and my my yard is starting to become a sinkhole in the front too because it's just sitting there I unfortunately am the lowest part of the street so from one side of my yard to the other is just a lake filled with leaves trash and now rodents because there's Ravens in this town and what do they feed they're young they're carnivores they feed the mice so they dip their mice in the wood if you don't know this I do hard hard one information and that's how they feed their young wet rodents and now there's rodents in the water too so at the very least in the meantime someone needs to come clean this out be snaking all this water so that it's not just pouring more disgusting whatever it's pouring down into the it's just making it worse so the the and it keeps raining and we can't ask Mother Nature to stop so every time it rains we've got another clog we've got more leaves we've got more garbage that's flowing down there so I would I would say there's can there be something else that could put something down there to suck up with just try to alleviate the clock cuz the clock's just getting worse and worse it's not going to get better and I've lived here for many years and this is a wet town it's just a wet town and this has never happened before there's something clogging it but it's not getting better and more we wait the more garbage and rodents and leaves and debris is going to go down there and unfortunately because of where the this the street is it's right it comes down here it's perpendicular for you that don't know it's one street comes down and then it's like this so everything blows down and it's all blowing down into that one sewer area it's all going in that land that's then going back into the sewer so it's just it's just um it's not going to it's not going to resolve itself and I don't know if it's going to resolve itself if we don't stop raining so do we have to live with us all through the summer time it's between between how wet this year has been between how many houses pumping thousands of gallon an hour for 24 hours for months straight now you know it's it's just it's a horrible situation and unfortunately you know we can't even get in there to do anything about it that's the problem and it's not a a pipe to snake it's a dryw so it's literally just a pit with Crush Stone in it so there's nothing that can be done while it's wet they can't see if it's clogged while it's wet I believe you talked to D we're having a meeting later this week to continue to discuss this and as soon as DBW can take action they will and again just to clarify we can't pump it out because of D rules well the pumping of storm water is a challenge um like like you do with sewage so that's a whole other subject to get right I I as soon as DBW can take action they will okay well thank you I just hope that you know we can figure out a solution that doesn't require Mother Nature stopping it raining okay I hear your frustration I totally agree with you thank you anybody else okay being that there's no one else R I have to leave a little early and I just have one thing I wanted to say yeah go ahead um I got an email from uh Brian da Chief one uh we lost a fireman uh on March 8th Robert Glenville who served as a fireman in pan tacha for 61 years uh he's a Korean V veteran uh he was president of the uh company one for a number of years uh he always was the guy that went to for the bylaws anybody needed a bylaw question he was the guy uh he's going to be missed greatly by the department he was the calm voice when there was some grumblings between other other members so um the service will be this Sunday March 8th 2024 visiting uh hours will be on the 17th from 2: to 6:00 and there will be a funeral on the 18th at 10:00 at Our Lady of Good Council So Adam can for for Volunteer Fire do we ever do the purple buting here or is that just done at the firehouse it's the firehouse okay okay and Dave just to clarify so Sunday March 8th is the viewing no March 18th he passed on March 8th pass on March March 17th from 2 to 6 Sunday March 17th and then the funeral is 3 on 3:18 from at 10:00 hi thank you our lady good Council and where is the uh viewing on the SC scanland okay thank you I just wanted to say that before I had to leave absolutely thank you Dave anything else okay uh well at this time we've reached 30 minutes of public comment as previously notated an additional period of public comment is reserved later in this meeting next on the agenda is manager report thank you mayor I will work to be brief uh the memo includes a number of items first I mentioned this during the budget meeting which is before the council meeting uh we had a credit rating upgrade as a result of a ratings call that took place with Moody's in 2019 the Township's credit rating was a A2 as a result of some positive steps and the stability of the community Moody's increased the Township's credit rating to dou A1 so that is a complement to the governing body the budgeting team the community it's a positive thing all around uh as the council is also aware we just had a bond sale for notes or excuse me bonds associated with the sewer project the higher your rating the less you pay an interest just like your personal credit score so uh my compliments to all that's a great thing next item uh Council may be aware but the township received uh New Jersey Department of Community Affairs American Rescue plan firefighters Grant I wrote plain in the budget for the memo I didn't catch that typo when I was reviewing I apologize or no one else did uh we received $50,000 for a uh dryer and washer for gear for Fire Company 1 as well as some sets of gear so they don't all right so that was an item that would have been budgeted for and that was something that otherwise would have cost additional taxpayer dollars and we're going to utilize some external funds for that so uh my compliments to om coordinator Jim Benelli he was instrumental in supporting me in the drafting of the application for the council's consideration this evening we have two ordinances for potential introduction the first is uh an ordinance addressing cannabis in the township ofic as the council's previously aware class one licenses with some things were included um some some minor manufacturing based upon recommendation of special Council that needed to be corrected uh at direction to council uh draft ordinance was prepared allowing for class one and class two the ordinance also calls for the finance officer to be able to utilize an external auditing firm when reviewing the books uh as required by law of the Cannabis cultivator or manufacturer and it increases the licens fees from $500 uh respectively to an initial license fee of $115,000 for each license and a course Corr responding renewal fee of $10,000 both of those were recommended as well by the special Council actually he recommended hire and uh staff and professionals came in with with that okay um as that is an ordinance that pertains to land use and Zoning that requires referral to the planning board for a review for consistency and following their response or a period of I believe 60 days Bob 30 days 30 days the council can then act on a a public hearing potential adoption uh next ordinance for the council's consideration is is providing free memberships to PV Park not just for members of the first aid Squad and Fire Department in good standing but also for those individuals who are their immediate family residing in those members households lastly we have a discussion item uh regarding mailboxes and our policy with respect to how mailboxes damag no plowing operations are handled and I will refrain from further comment until the discussion item unless there are questions anybody have any questions I have a question on item C can can I just say no I don't want any cannabis stuff in this town at such time as the ordinance is considered by the governing body you are certainly welcome to okay we got enough dumbing down in this country we don't need anymore anybody else all right sorry that is all Mr bur yes sir thank you thank you uh there are no public hearings scheduled for this evening so next on the agenda is ordance Introduction of ordinances Mrs Marsh um ordinance number 20246 is an ordinance amending chapter 360 zoning 119 cannabis established license and 120 cannabis transfer tax of the revised General ordinances of the township of aquantic to permit and regulate cannabis Mr Brewer any comments none further unless there's questions any comments from Council John a comment okay anybody else have comments again this is just focused on on growing and Manufacturing so this is there's an existing ordinance in place which calls for manufacturing with M with Excuse me cultivation which is class one with some minor manufacturing based upon a review of Law and advice of special counsel that needs to be corrected and we either need to allow for simply class one or class one and class two direction of council the ordinance was prepared accordingly and again the outside review of the books as well as an increase of the fees was implemented otherwise the ordinances ordinance Remains the Same as was previously approved by got it okay is there a motion to introduce this ordinance on first reading I'll make the morning I'll make the motion to introduce ordinance number 20246 can I get a second I'll second roll call Mr drae nope I don't want it Mrs Florence Lynch yes Mr Cole yes Mrs Russell yes may herd yes next on the agenda is Introduction of ordinance number 20247 Miss Marsh ordinance number 20247 is an ordinance amending chapter 152 of the code of the township of panic and waving Panic Valley and Woodland Park membership fees for current Township Fire Department and first aid Squad volunteers thank you Mr Brewer are there any comments uh no sir unless there have additional questions are there any comments from Council no I think it's great so do I all right is there a motion to introduce this ordinance on first reading I'll make a motion to introduce ordinance number 20247 I'll second roll call Mr Tracy yes Mrs Florence Lynch yes Mr Cole oh sorry Mrs Russell yes may heard yes all right next on the agenda is resolutions Miss Mar beginning with resolution R 202 2482 confirming the designated memberships in the Panic Township Fire Department 202 2483 authorizing submission of an application to the Mars County historic preservation trust fund program and approving matching funds in the amount of $7,988 for a Mars County trust fund preservation planning grant for Martin Barry house historic landscape report 84 authorizing self-examination of that's not on there sorry that is my fault it was the title of the last one that was so descriptive wait a second I have to look at something uh Senator Booker and P F is yes I'm just going to say I'm going to say these numbers but the numbers are all incorrect so I'm going to correct them when I print out the resolutions okay so the next resolution is supporting the submission of a request for Community Project funding to the office of US senator Cory Booker for the mitigation remediation of posos posos um this is actually 202 2485 supporting the submission of a request for Community funding to the office of us Robert US senator Robert Mendez for the mitigation remediation of fifos 2024 I believe is 86 supporting the submission of request for Community Project funding to the office of us congresswoman Mikey Cheryl for the mitigation remediation of posos 2024 87 authorizing tax office refunds over payments or cancellations and R 202 2488 approving payment of the itemized claims a set for on the March 8th 2024 Bill list and 2018 F elevation escro list well thank you Miss Marsh are there any comments on the resolutions from Council are being confused nope I'm good John's confused what about you Melissa no I'm good just the numbers num nothing I just I'm glad we're we're going to do that for the historic preservation if anybody hasn't gone over to the Martin Berry house it really it's come such a long way I was so pleasantly surprised great J it looks it looks fantastic they've done such a great job so Kudos and thank you to all our volunteers absolutely and one last thing I need Cory Booker Robert Menendez and Mikey Cheryl to step up and get us some money because we're a tiny little town and that's a very expensive project to be born by our little town so I need some help I really need some help all right is there a motion to adopt these resolutions I'll make a motion to adopt what was it R 2024 82 through 88 through the bill list how about that go is there a second second roll call I'm sorry who was the second Mr D thank you Mr Dy yes M Florence Lynch yes Mrs Russell yes may herd yes next on the agenda items for discussion mailbox policy Mr Brewer no thank you mayor as directed uh a prior meeting the item was scheduled for discussion there is Background by way of item e in my uh manager's report so the council and the public are aware the current policy with respect to mailboxes damaged as a result of still plowing operations is that the township of quic undertakes no responsibility or obligation to um correct or reimburse any costs associated with any Improvement damaged in the right of way including those damaged by Snow Cloud that is what is currently set by municipal code uh the ordinance was put in place in August of 2010 individuals who are disappointed with any damage done to a mailbox have the right to file a torque claim as any individual does against the municipality for damages the torque claim is sent to the uh Township's insurance provider I will share that in most cases they are denied because absent for knowledge or or any um way to have corrected the issue Township based upon immunities is not responsible uh during budget discussions the council gave direction that this should should be reviewed and considered and some costs um identified so through the uh brilliant exercise of going to home depot.com um I identified uh the cost of a standard mailbox and a treasure a pressure treated wood post is is roughly $80 um the excuse me roughly $55 I apologize for for a nicer mailbox in a metal post it's roughly $155 interestingly I talked to the public works department and when asked they recommend pressure treated lumber they think that's better than the metal doesn't have as many issues um over time I I'm Guided by their their recommendation makes sense as was previously discussed with the council but for the benefit of the record towns approach this in a couple different ways like we currently do which is the township undertakes no responsibility file a Tor claim if you so choose or there's a set amount based upon certain conditions that is provided to anybody who has a verified claim of a broken mailbox um as indicated by the ordinance change in 2010 prior to that stanic did that and for whatever reason a decision was made to change it in addition articulated in my memo are some conditions which I would recommend for the council's consideration the first that if someone is making this claim it be verified by the public works director or his designate to confirm that it actually happened and it was on a snowling route uh the second would be that in order to be eligible for any compens the individual would sign a release and basically therefore not be able to claim additional money against the township if someone if if a dollar amount is set and that's provided and somebody also files claim that that wouldn't be a positive position The Joint Insurance Fund wouldn't favor that and lastly I really would prefer the public works department not engaging in diagnosing why this happened you know whether it was improperly installed whether it was in the wrong place whether it was rotted whether I we I I would respectfully like to keep staff out of that condition so I think the best way to protect the taxpayers and as well as provide some sort of compensation would be to establish a time frame so individuals would be eligible for this once every 5 years every seven years every 10 years uh so that way if if it happens three or four years in a row something else is going on Beyond just snow PL those would happen everywhere um I I've heard some interesting Tales mailboxes have been installed with the PVC uh case without the 4x4 in the middle of it um a lot of other interesting things that that I'll refrain from sharing in a public meeting but there are a lot of factors that can play into this and I think if those three things and anything else the council would like to consider are implemented and if the council does want to change its policy uh that is within its powers if we um come up with a flat fee to give them would they be responsible for the install or would we be resp no no the the township would said we don't we don't correct the township it would be as as yeah as it's been in the past it's we're sorry your mailbox kept taken out here's X sign the release right we wish you well all right that's even if we said you know we're going to give them 100 bucks whatever that number is you know they'll sign the release they'll get that money but then they can only they can only claim that once every year whatever we want to we want to set okay 3 years 5 years whatever yeah no I mean I I think it's the right thing to do especially if we take it out and it wasn't their fault where it was so I think you know whether it's I don't think it's anybody's fault it's just it happens I'm still against it I'm going to take the Precedence of our formal council members when they said no and I don't need think we need any more administrative things to follow up on so I'm going know no now we have a tie so we're going to have to kick it into the next meeting yes I think it's the right thing to do I understand that it's not you know it's an accident it was changed in 2010 so did anybody talk to somebody who was on there no none of us were here in 2010 well there's got Joe jensson was he on was your friend Jay vanderhof on yeah probably why don't you ask him I'm curious what made them change the ruling I spoke to staff I asked I tried to find that answer anticipation the discussion no the staff that's in place in leadership positions now wasn't in the same type of leadership position no they do remember going and trying to diagnose what the of it was so there that could have been a factor curious to know why they changed the rule like did it get just too messy like let's let's not let history repeat itself let's find out why they did it and that would help me I trust the decision all right I still think it's the right thing to do we'll research it let's kick the next to some of the old coun people is Council comfortable with carrying the discussion item or would you like this as a report item I stand at your direction discussion it as a discussion item okay thank you okay we'll do that was a wonderful discussion all righty there are no reports or notices lots of blank papers next on the agenda is Council reports and announcements Mr councilman de REI you're up thank you mayor it's always nice to be first um a first you're last that I do like sitting in a corner though I like this um all right the open opens um no the um historic commission met but I was not able to be there their one request was the appointments to the open space committee Carol where are we with that waiting for somebody to direct me to put them on the agenda all right can you put them on the agenda I you need to have a discussion about who too okay I I believe the Committees have recommended somebody though yes did we get that if if you're I think I said that an email I don't remember that one could you resend it sure cuz it's March already so we should get this done I would think um all right if every okay I'll I'll well the thing is if I send it out again then I have to wait for the names like hold on you know what if you could just move on and I might get it to you by the end of this meeting move on John um parks and wreck committee did meet not much going on although they are looking for lifeguards in like seasonal help down at the park so if anybody knows somebody that wants to be a lifeguard it's good training I um it's good training for young young younger people so if you could do that and the Shak Tre commission did not meet that's why I wasn't quite sure on where where where they were but they're going to meet um beginning of April and then Adam will find out on that um congrats to everybody for the credit rating with the town everybody that works in the town and has anything to do with that that's pretty it's pretty neat that we're heading in that direction um great on the budget process I think we're there that was that was another long hard F battle so um congratulation on that um as Mr C mentioned you know our condolences to the firefighter that passed away after 61 years on the fire company I can't even imagine I'm not that old yet but I can't even imagine being on so that was that's awesome that we get people that want to stay around for that long so condolences to his family um congratulations on the grant for 50k that was good as Mr Brewer mentioned before and uh congratulations to our new firefighter membership that seems to be you know we're getting more youngsters on there I think I know two two of them so that's pretty neat and just the last thing is we still live in a great town be nice I'm always nice no I don't you be nice I'm saying everybody everybody should be nice be nice and we live in a great town Mr Mayor keep up the good work it's because of everybody that's all I got thank you sir I really appreciate it uh councilwoman Melissa Florence Lynn I'm going to Echo a couple of things um uh first I'd like to say our thoughts and prayers go out to the Glenville family um I knew Mr Glenville my whole life and uh wonderful family and and wonderful man yeah I've known him since I was a baby um what else um I wanted to say congratulations um to our four new uh Volunteer Fire um volunteers we got uh three from company 1 and one from Company 2 so Anthony pedo congratulations David jaminski Julian D Pasquel Melly and Donald Angulo I know I probably screwed up their names but congratulations to all those volunteers um um congratulations on the um upgrade from the Moody's on our Township rating that's awesome congratulations to on the grant that's awesome um what else we had a lot of things this past week that we went to um that a lot of us went to there was a busy March we had the grains of Hope very successful um I I was involved in that we had the fish and chips dinner by Fire Company 2 we had the Tricky Tray by the suburb Women's Club we had the N of Columbus doing a St Patty's Day dinner I went to all these uh there was a adopted pet fundraiser at B for banic animal shelter that was another great thing and I also uh participated in the read Across America last week at um sjj no sjj I was at sjj y so that was great um my uh committees that met um the senior citizen advisory committee they meet next Wednesday March 20th and oh I also forgot to mention Little League opening day is coming up April 20th that's awesome April 20th yeah and what else I got um my only my other two committees uh did meet um the flood committee met and um they're working a on a couple of things uh thank you to uh the town manager I the flood committee asked for I guess you it came through Jennifer a list of homeowners year that they wanted to reach out to but they can be updated yeah for education of just you know there's been turnover yeah there's been a lot of turnover with the homeowners in flood areas and so we just want to educate them educate them educate them make sure they know what to do when we're in a a crisis and a flood situation so thank you for that that will help do that education and followup and the economic development committee they also met and they are just finalizing a survey to business owners and landlords so uh more to come on that so excellent that's it thank you thank you councilwoman okay so for my report uh now we're going to council woman Russell yes almost forgot I'm not gonna Echo what everybody else said so I'll just say ditto for the congratulations to the fire to all of our volunteers for everybody and and thank you for the first aid Squad who did come out for our budget meeting um I really know that they wanted more than we were able to give but they were so appreciative and we are very appreciative of them they do a great job and um thank you to all our groups who ask for everything and realize that we have a limited budget and we do the best we can and and I think I think we did very well this time I think we all had our box and gloves on and we all got what we wanted and at the end I think we're all happy which is great okay now that I'm done with that friends the library book sale Friday the 15th from 10: to 5:00 and Saturday from 10: to 3:30 if you need any books Township Easter party is March 23rd mayor's cleanup uh is on April 6th Along With Angels play dedication of the new playground MH um fishing contest April 7th PV Park officially opens on May 25th there's a beach party on June 15th everybody WR in the fireworks we all love our fireworks they were fabulous last year they got they better be just as good or better them off look I'm already in the eye they June 28 pick them up this week and the down is scheduled for October 19th got all the dates down I know I know I was just writing down all the dates that I had in my phone I I don't I need to know way in advance um we are meeting with the county to go over open space monies that's the end of this month on the 28th that group will have their first meeting uh cdrs is having a very long meeting about grant money and that is next week it's like a 9h hour thank you for taking oh good grant money via Zoom you'll be there all day right so just report back to Counsel on they only need they only need one representative from the town for that yeah yeah yeah it's just just one Dave Dave couldn't make it yeah heally shook so he asked me if I would make it and yeah it's a zoom and then the following week we'll do the vote so okay it's good it's all good so um and my condolences go out to the Glenville family see if they have any money for an ambulance I know right that some of the stuff is cool like when you really watch no it was it was cool but it was long yeah yeah it is it is long it is long but I learned a lot when I was I actually I was presenting for the Martin Berry house and I learned about the Rockway the old pool and the historic stuff some really cool stuff there but anyway that's all I have thank you for your time you have nothing else I'm sure you'll fill in anything I forgot yeah oh thank you very much okay I'm not going to rehash what everybody said I think it's great appreciate the town and everything let's see first aid Squad does have three new members uh Rebecca tile and H Javin I'm sorry I know I messed that one up I apologize uh also last night we recognized Tyler Denton Shawn Moore and of course Chief lion um they brought somebody back from the other side so they were recognized for uh life saving actions which happened on February 24th and just give you an idea I mean Shan is he is in high school he is just learning about this stuff he's only been on the first aid squad for 6 months uh so it does prove that you can change you can make a change in this world which is great let's see as of February there was 102 calls that they went on 37 were at Cedar Crest I don't know why that spiked I'm in averaging about 25% a month uh for some reason it went up to 37 36 uh 10 of them were mutual Aid casino night is going to be May 18th uh that is something that's great for everybody to come to so we can start raising money for the next ambulance uh I know it's a hard thing uh I appreciate it I I feel very strongly about you know it's the right thing to do it's our first aid Squad it's about the people of panic so there's nothing more important to me than the people of panic and keeping them safe and secure so that's what I have to say uh CB Scouts blue and gold have their crossover we had five kids go from Cub to Boy Scouts which is great I like to see that we keep on going uh did you know that our town has the most Eagle Scouts out of three more yes we have three more coming wow that's awesome March 24th are we going to make it are we going to go to that yeah we've got two the one day and then a couple of weeks later is another sorry March 20 March 24th yeah I'll send you all the info and the names that's on my to-do list to ask you okay good for proclamations also congratulations to the Girl Scouts they had their Bronze award and that was for I have it here yeah it was really neat it was actually the crayon initiative uh they got about 700 lb of crayons so lot of crayons that's a lot of crayons but troop 97724 I want to thank the leaders I want to thank the uh young adults I think they're doing great job so I really appreciate it Panic wrestling is on fire have you been seeing what's going on this is crazy they are you know they've been doing awesome we know about Sophia cletcher she has done amazing uh she ended up taking fourth at States that's great I mean from panic but it doesn't just stop there I mean the rouer of how many people from Panic went to States and won States you know you've got anelos and of course they're amazing they've got a great group of kids there and even one of the little ones I think he's 6 years old and he has more wins than actually his older brothers years 6 years old he's just going to be massive that's exciting to watch you know um like Melissa said you know it's been a packed couple of weeks you know between the tricky trays uh the band uh program had a Tricky Tray uh grains of hope I mean it's it's been crazy uh this week this weekend actually I was lucky enough to be a a chaperon for the Panic high school music program and we went up to Boston it was very interesting it was really interesting and the kids I got to say and I I wrote this on Facebook but John as to what you were saying this is a great town and it's a great town in so many ways not only is it because of the volunteers and the people that give back but you know it's also the kids are a direct representation of the families and I got to tell you like these kids are great and you see them Scouts Girl Scouts Boy Scouts uh soccer uh Little League you know all the other groups that were with and especially when you're we on a trip you know these kids are overnight two nights in Boston it's a a 4-Hour uh bus ride and you know they could go a little crazy but the reality is they were super respectful they were a great group to hang around with I really do enjoy it and again we got Kudos again from the bus driver who stood up at the end of the trip saying we were the most Pleasant and the best to work with so you know that's a direct reflection to the township and what we're doing it's our community it's our culture and I just I thank you all for that I thank God I think it's great I think it's fabulous so did you stop in and see the pops we actually we went to a Boston um show we went to the uh what was it called yeah I can't remember but it was great not the pops not the pops but it was a classical you know it was I don't know much about it but it was impressive and that's all I have unless would you like me to talk for more I could you could I know you could I will limit it there I do I I have the recommendations from the Committees if you'd like me to put them on the agenda they are