We're going to call the August 12, 2025 city council meeting to order. Remind everybody to silence your cell phones. We have our opening opening of prayer with Hampton followed by the pledge of allegiance. >> Yes, please.
Heavenly Father, we come to you with thanks this evening, asking that you will guide us as we attend this meeting and do what it's supposed to do for the residents of this city.
Asking that you would direct this meeting so that it is held in a safe and orderly fashion. ask and that you will guide our thoughts so that we can make the best decisions possible in Jesus name. Amen.
>> Amen. We have a roll call, please. >> Yeah. >> Council member Hans >> here. >> Council member Woodall >> here. >> Vice Mayor Landry >> here. Mayor >> here. See approval of items on the consent agenda. Approval to read by title only.
Resolution 2025-18. Approval to read by title only. Ordinance 1055. I have a motion. >> Motion motion. >> Council member. >> Yes. >> Council member Hampton.
>> Yes. >> Wall. >> Yes. >> L. >> Yes. >> Yes. Receiving requests from the general public. Do we have anyone from the general public who would like to speak about anything that is not on the agenda
hearing? And seeing no one, we're going to move on to bids. Do we have any bids, Carly? No bids at this time. Okay, moving on to regular agenda items. General business. Item 7A, Shauna Beach, Taylor County Property Appraiser to
address the council and to give an update on property taxes for the fiscal year 2025 2026 budget and council to take any action mean necessary. Good evening. >> Good afternoon. Evening. Yes,
>> it is afternoon, isn't it? This feels like evening. >> It really does. >> First, I want to thank y'all so much for asking me back. join y'all and present this 2025 preliminary tax role.
>> Thank you. Okay. So before I start, if at any time y'all have any questions, please on page two of our presentation, we've got a 2025 city of Perry taxable
value and that is the percentages of taxable value and we've got 71% % is real property. Is this enough? Can y'all hear me? >> Am I fine? Y'all can hear me? >> I can hear. Okay, >> I hear you.
>> Um, so we've got 71% is real property and 28% is tangible personal property. And then just for anyone that doesn't know, that is uh real property is everything that sits on the property. And that's buildings, the out buildings,
anything that is actually on the property as of January 1, 2025. uh tangible personal property that is a business's equipment. So they report that to us every year and it is on a depreciated scale. So that is definitely
a higher depreciation schedule than the real property. So last year the amounts were 67% of real property and 33% TPP. So this increase in real property percentage makes it a more stable market for your tax role and um and that's a
good thing. So three got the real property taxable value breakdown. We've got the largest percentage is in green which is the improved residential.
So that is anything that is not commercial that has something on it as far as buildings. Uh orange would be commercial and uh we've got vacant residential 3% agricultural
half% and other page four. Out of those improved residential parcels, we've got 87% are single family residential. Those are ST built homes.
and around 12% are mobile homes and then around 1% apartment condos. And this percentage is close to the same as prior years. Page five, going even further into those improved residential parks, 52%
are homestead and 48% are non homestead. In other words, permanent residency about half of those homes in the city of Perry and non permanent residents that's makes about the other half. And then page six, the page that y'all
been looking for. >> This is the 2025 city of Perry taxable value by type. In 2024, the real property values were around 246 million. The TPP values were around 115
million, making for a total of 362 million. 2025 preliminary numbers are 262 million for real property, 105 million for tangible personal property, and 368 million for the total causing for a
positive increase, which about 1.7%. for 6.3 million. I was a little bit happier to um present this one than you know other ones in the past. But um this just you know is a direct reflection of investment into the
city of Perry, not only commercially but as you saw residentially um that people are investing and they're here even after three hurricanes and two mill shutdowns. We still have people here. We saw people investing and that's what we want to see and that's what we want to
hear. Um just kind of to go off of the tangible personal property decrease that you see a major reason for that decrease was um West Frasier ring power consolidated communications and windixie just adds up one.
So of course that is preliminary values. That's not final values yet. We're still kind of It'll obviously change, but >> right now that's >> You're saying ring ring power >> ring power stand personal property did decrease a little bit. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that was
>> got any more questions on that one? Okay, we can go to page seven. This is the city of Perry taxable value trends from 2015 to present. So it shows
um that that trending from 2020 postcoid the real estate boom obviously started increasing and a lot of those uh caps reset. So in that big boom of a real estate market um somebody that had a home and maybe had a home set on it, a
lot of my realtors know exactly what I'm about to say. Um it had a a home, a homestead, they maybe had a $100,000 value and they had a 3% cap for a very long time. Then that real estate boom
started happening and say if they went from a $100,000 house to a $200,000 house, they were only paying taxes at max 3% of that value for a very long time. Well, when they sold a property, all of that value resets and the new
owner is paying on $200,000 worth of value instead of $100,000. So, that's why we're still seeing that increase in value continue to trickle up even though the market has maybe lacked a little bit. So, just those sales,
those resets of the cats and things like that. Um, if you ever have any questions and want to dive deeper on that, please contact we can go over it. Um, page eight. This one was pretty interesting to me. I
whenever I first saw it, I said, "Okay, let's recheck the numbers. Thank you." And sure enough, they were right. Um, 2024, we saw an increase in new construction. This this um shows the value of new construction trends from
2015 to present. And 2024, uh, new construction went up to $3.1 million. And that's a direct reflection of post Idelia recovery. You know, that was a lot of these homes were damaged. They had to they had to reinvest. Maybe it was a new roof or it was add-on or it
was this or that, but it was definitely a new construction boom in 2024. Um, and then 2025, we just didn't really see a lot of that new construction. So, next year's will obviously be higher. We'll be adding the departments and Zach any
other autos any other ones that have a co before December 31st 2025 will add6 so that'll obviously increase and then page nine number of qualified sales 2015 to
present again we saw after 2020 the real estate know the sales increase and they are continuing to stay high. So, uh this is just 2025 to date and it's around half
what last year's was. So, we're on the same we're on the same trend. So, city is still trending as it say. Um any questions whatsoever? have
any anything that you um maybe personal property that you say man this might actually be a good question for everybody to know or anything like that please ask and I will be glad to answer >> I have one question when it comes to our millage rates what
figure should we be using >> for the mill rates >> yes >> what do you mean >> um >> you mean like for the taxable bounty Yes. So that would be the taxable value. That would be page six. And that would be you're right, Carly, tell me if I'm
saying something wrong. 368,771,572. Connect. Okay. >> Yep. So that's page six. And then in the middle where it says 2025 preliminary and then the total You say you use that amount and then you multiply the village rate and everything
that's how you get your your tax of what we're receiving from people. >> So So what we're using is correct. >> Yes. Okay. It definitely is because I I actually TRIM has a new system which is truth and millillage and you you log in
and they have prior year numbers in there and they have your taxable value in there and you just input last year's millage and it gives you your options of roll back rate, maximum millage, stuff like that. >> Anything else?
Well, thank you all again for having me and you ever have any questions, please give me a call and I'll be glad to help. >> Very good report. >> Thank you. >> 97B, Andy Jackson to present the council a plan for GP pipeline easement.
Council will take any action name deemed necessary. Discuss You know, first of all, let's take a little tour down history. Uh, it's been a couple of years since Duke Energy approached us to
uh put our property under their program, which required us to do a whole lot of analysis as to what infrastructure was made and how appropriate our property was to be. And you know, we've had a lot of support
out of the city to do that. Uh Male Brown was here, he would be as best he could to help me answer those questions. Um certainly when John came on board, he's been more than helpful in trying to understand the infrastructure we have here in the city and what was available
for our side and overall excellent job. Uh just as a point after we were had we had one meeting to kind of talk about what it was that Duke Energy came out and said this is what you need to do to improve your site made for Marth
right after I and right after Georgia Pacific now made their announcement. Of course all that was on the heels of West Frasier making their announcement. It was time for the uh second meeting and of which we had great participation,
city of Perry, county commission, PCDA, Duke Energy, and the North Florida Economic Development Partnership, Jeff Henry, and Dian Schultz. They all they showed up. I had no no idea who these people were at that meeting, but there
they were. And a lot of those other folks outside of the city fair have kind of paid it off. But these folks have been with me nearly every day since that time trying to work out different economic development opportunities for
that property and for the city county in general. Now, one of the things that happened right after that time is the Adams and Greece report was done by funded by the cho by the department of poverty from county
and uh so I took that report and asked some impact questions. I might ask some impact questions as to really what does that mean for our labor force and what does that mean for our economic
position? >> Yeah, you bet. I hate to fall over that many more important things. And this is not part of I came up with this last week. And what you'll find is if you do that
summary, if you look, they have a cataly list of the number of loss of gross domestic product, lost jobs, and also people moving out of the area. And it's not just H County. It's all
across Florida. In fact, the only really bright spot is Lake City. They've become a veteran community for gain market. there is in healthcare and education. So, >> let's talk about why it is that uh I'm
interested in infrastructure improvements here for Taylor County and let's talk a little bit about the opportunities that we have in place. Everybody at the city council should have gotten a package that I submitted. Did y'all get this?
is that what I've had these different businesses we've had come out there look at our site and we've had 18 hard hits that we've provided information and this is a list of the businesses that we've had come out there or at
least we put in a request for information to and that included advanced manufact fact, technology, some energy, some agriculture stuff, God knows health and wellness, but if you look at Lake City's numbers, health,
wellness is thing these days. We have logistics, real estate, hospitality, and education services. We've had interest from a lot of advancement. So,
those are your high paid jobs. Now, if you flip over to the industry of utility firms, what we found is that yes, we have enough energy head of town to easily run a 500 megawatt power plant
and Florida Gas Transmission is willing to run a line to city or anywhere else for that matter worth no charge as long as they've got a user who's willing to sign contract. Florida Gas Commerce has made similar
comments for a smaller lot. Shame of it is of course they'd have to pay revenue to the franchise group. Finance director smile. >> You'd like to get revenue off of the 10 high pressure gas line.
Make things easy. Some of the other things I found out is that actually talked to a data center pearl. We have a dark fiber in this county. Dark fiber runs down Jefferson Street
and actually that same line is used by Vari credit union. Uh that line goes from uh Gale Air Force Base to Eglund Air Force Base and was installed on behalf of the Department of Defense.
So it's a secure installation. So if you want to have highspeed internet here and actually have your own, you can do it. It's not a problem. So Duke Kennedy, God bless. When we
started out with the U Trans Legacy looking for electrical requirements, they they said, "We can give you three megawws on your site. That's not very much." But after asking the question and asking the question, the last time they came back was 25
megawatt. And they said, "Oh, by the way, if we'll get an agreement, we'll make that done." Might take a few years. So that's possible to do. The problem is
water waste water particular. John, can you give us a little update about capacity of water? Waste water in city utilities. >> It's what 5 million gallons a day. Can't really do that. It's more like
>> we reduce that amount from the amount we're currently running. We could run comfortably two million. But with plans in the picture there, without a new facility, we wouldn't be able to run that much. >> 1.9.25 million day. On a rainy day, we're getting two and a half to three million.
We're already getting one that we're over capacity for waste water. There you have it. Now, the big money jobs and the big industry, they want water, waste water, energy, data,
rail, rail. We've got all we've got all of it except water and wastewater capacity in the city. However, toward the Pacific side has a 50 billion gallon a day waste
water fl over 50 billion gallon a day water capacity and a pipeline that runs to the Gulf. So you only have to have spray fuel. John, how much capacity would that be for heat?
50 million gallons waste water probably. 800,000. >> Yeah. Or some significant dentistry hits, >> right? And the dentistry hits we're looking at here looked at one to two
million gallons a day wast but they got to have it. So, the last proposal we did, which offers a significant number of jobs in North Florida and close to 2,000 jobs in the city of Perry
need waste water. They need water and we had to tell them you can build one for about 40 to$50 million. We'll hurry hurry up and help you get the permits. Now, I don't know about y'all, but 800,000 jobs or excuse me, 8,000 jobs
around North Florida, if you look at that economic statement that I just gave research, it make an impact. And one of the things this bunch wants is they want universities.
They want schools. They want to be a way to train and educate their workforce of the people that work and people that design. So it involve all of the universities in our little region and all of the uh
community colleges and trade colleges that we have. That's why it's important that we do what we can to look at those assets and do what we can to not just let them disappear. Dan, would you say a few
words for us about the structures fast? I worked in economics specifically with infrastructure county since 2000.
I spent nine 10 years develop because it takes years to get the funding in place. I have worked with many of the counties probably the most recent is and they are putting in huge waste water
troops still they can actually say yes we'll have done such and such day to say well we can get it for we don't have that but we can get it to it takes years and it takes so many days
the engineering going back and forth to get all that done in the water management district. So to me when I realized that GP was beginning to demolish some of their facilities out there, I asked the question. I said,
"Well, what are they going to do with the water?" Nobody seemed to know what road I was, but one, well, I guess they'll demolish it, too. And I'm like, how can you possibly want to demolish them? And said, there are nine wells out there and
based on information we've got, nine of those deep water wells that of the nine, there are two that have been. And that's probably because of various intrusion could be water tables very
high out there. We don't have those answers at this point. I reached out to Department of Environmental Protection and I located somebody secretary's office that was able to really
understand what I was talking about because they specifically work with Florida and when I expressed them what I was trying to convey to both the county and the city of Perry that it takes so
long, it takes money. Why would you not at least see if there was some way to transfer obtain and I can't even really say purchase because I don't think the city of Perry or Taylor County can
afford to have one purchase but there's a lot of different ways you can pay usage whether it's a lease maybe it's a interlog agreement but to try to put all that funding together and realize that
give or take so many years to do that. Terry doesn't have that much time. Terry doesn't y'all know already how much and Commissioner De is here because he understands too the revenue cost to this county from those industries lead. So if
we can get the infrastructure in place, we can certainly we've got enough leads already and there's one that's still out there that caused me to go ahead and emailed Secretary of Commerce, one of
his deputy secretaries as well as the lead development manager there commerce for this particular project and to follow up again because initially they didn't think that Taylor County had
the kind of infrastructure take and then with Andy's creativity and his research we were able to prove point that we can actually be able to do that. Whether it's a company deciding to use the gas
transmission and build their own generating facility right there or if they choose to do it a different way, there are a lot of other options. Now, fortunately, and I do thank the good Lord for this, on my way over here
this afternoon. I don't live in town. I live in Cal County. And I was on my way here and I got another call from Department of Environment Protection and they were following up because they
already found there's a lot of interest within DP and individual wanted to ask me a lot questions general kind of questions and I expressed the fact that I appreciate their interest that we're coming here tonight and hopes that the
city of Perry would on board. We're trying to see if there's somebody to acquire usage of the 270s war and I was told that they're going to actually go ahead and carry all of this.
They asked let me know how go but they said they want to take it to the secretary D and his under secretaries because there's that level of interest. Now having been with each other I have
the last thing anybody wants to see happen is for all the grand quite frankly when that transmission line was built. I believe at least part of it was rural infrastructure
because that was project that I had built tomorrow. It was one of those things that you look back at all the money spent. Chances are all there were a lot of other
that the state was invested trying to keep this company that had been there stabilized. Now it's gone. What are you going to do with the asset? It's one thing to take down buildings, another thing to do a huge environmental
assessment of the site itself. But to have this kind of water available to you and waste water just is to me to consider just destroying it or just walk away from it and ignore. So for that
reason, that's really why we're here for in hopes that you council members may in hopes that you will give some consideration to actually help investigate the possibilities.
Realize that this could just be a wonderful asset for city because you are the one that does all the utilities and it's just a natural. If I can answer any questions, I'll be glad to. If I was too brief, ask
anything that I didn't cover. >> Okay, >> let's go to the next part of this. I'm going to admit I misspoke earlier when I referenced the Adams Breeze report. That first document I gave you was from the labor shed analysis that was done
for Perry in Lake City by Duke Henderson and u so it was strictly based upon jobs and job skills and basically who was available to do the work and where they've all gone and what the impact of
them coming or leaving was. What I'm going to talk to you now is about the Adams and Greece reports that we did. uh I took that as a basis and asked the simple question. Whatever what are the contaminants that
are actually hit at that mill site and what are the uh limits that the EPA has set for those contaminants and what are the levels at actually at the site and what are the health considerations that are associated with those
contaminants. And of course the big one on the top of the list is the ox. Y'all all remember the story of what the found how came fish swim how we got to the bipot. So further ask, okay, what does it take
to remove those and how much money are we talking about and has anybody else in the United States done this and what has been their success on these kind of sites? And what they came back with was about
$400 million or more to be able to remove those contaminants from that site. Now, I don't know about you, but I'd hate to be a business that went in there and bought that site and first thing I had to do is spend $400 million
just to make my brownfield site work. So, I don't know. We we've all held out hope as soon as they'll clean it up, somebody will come buy it. But according to that report, this could take years and a lot of money. And from
our further research, they don't seem to have a published plan that they've talked about as to how they're going to do this and whether they're going to follow those methods. So, I wouldn't by the site. I wouldn't recommend you by the side, but I'd
recommend we figure out a way to use that water wastewater capacity in the south. Now with a little encouragement with uh from economic development it's third party involvement
GP talked to us would give us an answer they talked to us and there two things came out of it one is we'll get back to you on the price and the other is they were scared to
death that poor rivers was going to make them dig that pipeline Now everyone's all over that easement issue. Well, county government is the only one that can come in with using domain and take that easement and take
that negotiation off the table and save that pipeline. So that's why we've talked about a domain maybe nothing more than just get some to the discussion get them to the bargaining table both sides work out an
equitable agreement and let's all work for the betterment of this city and county and area to take advantage of a resource that would be a a shot in our economic development. That's what we're looking for.
The other question that came up is, well, gee, do you have to buy the whole do you have to buy the land or you just do the easement or what the deal is that's attached to the back of that packet? Quite frankly, I leave that for the legal folks to talk about. I'm not a
lawyer. Don't plan to be. But I would like to carry discussion floor specific offer a chance for us to negotiate to sign a non-disclosure. So that's the other part. So we're
really asking three things. One is is to support the county with their investigation to go down. Number two, to give uh John Hart authority to basically talk to him about
let's work it out the NDA. And there's one more piece of this thing. It's how you fund it. And you have a comment on that. How do we fund? Sorry, should ask you that earlier. But there is program that would help.
There's a number of programs for the state of Florida that could help even with DP. There are some opportunities there have fun and like I was attempting to express more. There is no easy cut
driver this this this but until we start exploring number one get the price and I spoke with them yes been about five times now individual G and they're calling me they are hopeful
that they can strike some sort of a negotiate deal because they can't pack it up and take it with them they know just like we know that with that level of capacity what other country
that would need that kind of capacity it can't be a wood processing facility because they restricted that any sale so having said that it's going to take an effort to call them together there is
a local government or C bridge local and you can apply for that is for 10 years interest free proof and that is one possibility there's possibility of using others
within department also within the department of econ sorry department environment protection and there is no easy answer you may be able to get the legislative appropriation
because I'm Sorry, I cannot imagine any sophisticated thinker within any of those departments that would not see the value. And I still go back to say if you don't do this, and I I'm just saying the state, county, city, if it's not done,
then what are you going to do with those two assets? We can't just stick our head in the ground and say, "Oh, well, you know, I wouldn't do it." I just it's a there's such a value there and I've even had conversations about
regional authority and initially I I've talked to John about it. I talked to an environmental engineer about it. They said well that would take a lot of time and I thought yes I do and it really in my mind was not conceitful of being able
to do it. And then a week ago, I received an email from one of our counties just to sound that they were all up in arms because they don't have drink water in most of those communities that follow along the coast whether it's
Ley County, Taylor County, Dixie County because their water table is so low the water is really not suitable to drink it tast system that may be safety, but it's it's not good for you. And there's a
system water authority that they're trying to get to do something and I'm not even sure that particular organization has really formalized with the state. But what I'm saying is they're they're
raising this issue of old law. So if you had these two assets, there's a good likelihood that you could be providing water to all those co there's just there's so many options out
there of what could be and just to say oh well I don't think wants to do it. I I really think Taylor County has and city has a great opportunity I'm not going to take a whole lot of your time other than to share the
broader picture on economic development, business improvement, that kind of thing. Um, but at the end of the day, and I mean this generally, I've worked with a lot of people in the last 17 years in this in this industry. Never
met a person and I mean this statewide and frankly in the southeast that knows more about rural economic development than my colleague Diane Schult, not just me. And there's nobody that's more relentless and trying to figure out a creative solution to things that can happen. And I think that's kind of what
you see here is our unwillingness to just let us die on the violence because I know y'all are worn down. I know you get beat down. I know you see two mills closed and I share this story. My grandfather and my father worked out at that puck plant for years and so when
you see that it's not about the historical and emotional attachment which y'all all have here in this community when you see West Frasier and DP close um but it's about okay how do we keep how do you keep that momentum going about how do we solve this issue
because there is an issue to be solved. You have an unbelievable asset out there. You heard John and and the others talk about 50 million a day. That is just unheard of in this entire region, much less this state. And so what is it
that the state's willing to do, this this city, this county to try to um I think it's more or less get access to that resource, whatever that solution might be. Everybody in this room knows that city per county can't go out there and buy a check by the way, but there
are people that have a vested interest in the success of this community, us being part of it. We manage a 15 rural county area. Taylor County is one of those where we recruit business and industry come in to these and we've had a number of leaks as Andy has said come
into this county. Um but again across our entire region the issue of waste water it's not power it's not utilities it's not you know a number of these things coming down to water and waste water are the really the infrastructure
we got to have in order to accommodate a lot of the leak at the beginning got a workforce here some of them are more working places just by sheer need to have to go outside this area and work you've got skilled workforce in these kinds of industries that we're looking recruit this this area. Um, but I do
believe I'm not saying it's the panacea, but what I am telling you is that if there's a way to get folks to the negotiating or even the discussion, you know, tape to talk about what's in the best interest not only of this county and the city, let's face it, dealing
with a for-profit company. We got to figure out a way to meet them where they need to be on that as well. But again, I can't think of a more uh the these folks have sunk their life for the last four or five months. I know y'all lived it longer than that, but trying to find and
move that ball up the hill um to find a solution to this. And I just think we would all be we don't want to regret not finishing this off. And I just encourage the city um to kind of work in tandem with the county and just at least trying
to explore what the possibilities might be because that's where we are right now. We're not here to solve it tonight um with I think a pro proposed resolution, but we are what we are trying to say is city and the county want to both move forward and trying to figure out a solution to this so we
don't lose that access to that to that asset. So that's really all I have to say. Thanks. >> Thank you, Jeff. One last thing. There's a September 29th deadline on the emergency bridge law >> 26th.
That date sound pretty familiar to everybody. That's when Elaine came from right and so it's all this is hurricane related. You got to apply before then. There's several billion dollars at the
bud. Applying does not mean you have to take the money, the interest free money that you pay back in 10 years, okay? But we would appreciate if you guys would fly at least. So if you have
the option to pursue something uh you know with this with this situation or any other situation uh the last one I have hope and finally on my part
guys I'm going sell my property I've done enough parking and we've got enough leads out there it's going to get sold same price it might be for no jobs or it might be for a bunch of jobs. As somebody that lives here
locally, I prefer the latter. I prefer let's make an impact with our resources assets. Let's do something. Thomas, you got something that you like to say. You know, I used to be on city council.
When I was on city council, my attitude was we need to be able to keep our young people in Taylor County living since I've been living here and looking on city council and now on county
commissioner we are losing people to other big cities. You know, if your child graduated from high school, go to college or some trade school, you got to go out there to Colorado to make a living. You haven't done much for him. You done a lot for him to make a living,
but he can't stay at home. You know, we getting old to I like to have my children home to see about me when I get pregnant and then they also like to stay here to be able to make a living a decent living. So
when I talk with Andy, when I talk with Diane and Jeff and I do I am on the board of the North Florida Economic Development Council. I follow that board. I've heard I've seen what other people do. It is
possible. But if you don't have an interest, it makes a difference. These people have an interest. I have a vested interest in seeing the Taylor County grow. I don't want it to look like 26 miles of road. I
wanted to look to be a thriv. That's all we're asking. If you support us as we go forward, it says if we fly for the long we and things fall through, we
don't get it. We don't we don't own anything. But we least we need to make an effort to do our best. >> Thank you, Thomas. I can't say any better than that. Thank y'all for your attention. Any questions?
>> Okay. If we My question is if we move forward with this resolution, what exactly are we binding ourselves to? >> I think I guess I'm concerned more than anything. You're carrying all the county commission.
you're supporting. >> Okay. The water plant, the waste water plant. Who was going to operate it? >> That needs to be turned. >> That thing I mean, we're I know what it cost to run ours. And this thing is way bigger. >> It is >> both ways.
>> But then on the other hand, uh, North Pacific's got to run that thing for a while. They got to take that site down. decontaminate and they still have storm oil run off and they have pumps out as well contamination
property. We don't currently have the operator required that would be able to do the kind of plants. A 50 million gallon a day water plant would require probably a class A drink water operator license which nobody here has license.
They don't have that yet either and plant that side probably also requiring waste. >> So just in operator requirements we would have to immediately be looking If the city were to take on any >> if you could find >> in the meantime if Pacific had a way to
facilitate that that's an option but that's >> do we have anyone in school with getting to >> be if they got imminent domains who would I mean if it I mean imminent domain is is is buying
Will the liability come with it? >> Um, if you if you went out to contaminated areas with it, but if you just going out pipelines, you want to go doain pipeline plant is to relieve pressure for rivers on Georgia Pacific so they can maintain
that so they don't have to pull it out of ground. That is an option. They'll have to get a whole pine out of the main stop that process.5 call. yesterday said they haven't made an official pursuit to obtain them each.
Right now we have nothing to support until they make a motion. So I'll say we see what they do. I guess I think they're talking about it. >> It's next week. >> Next week. >> Well, it be nice if we could go into that meeting because one
was we want to know city supports this. >> So which one comes first? >> Well, I think we need to know what we're supporting. Sure do. >> And if they haven't finalized it, >> we don't know.
>> Say you support the pipeline not >> to do whatever they county chooses to do when we decide to back up. I think we do that next week. Do you need the authorization regarding
any communication about this NDA with >> as well that >> I've for a long time I don't know what the answer is seeing either the waste water or the water removed or that pipeline equipment is bad for the whole county
if it come to that point it is going to come to they start pulling it out we're going to have yourself. >> I'm not against it all. I'm just trying to look at all directions of this thing. I mean, you probably have more information about it than anybody in this room. I'm guessing
>> if they lose that lawsuit or whatever it's in right now, they will be to pull it out of the ground. They already pulled nicely. I don't know what the answer is. >> Well, you want to say the best things is wait till see what the county commission >> we're saying we're supporting county's
pursuit. We don't know what their pursuit is right now till they make a decision what they're going to do. >> Right. Yeah. Okay. We can change the resolution say we support the investigation.
>> That's not >> I just got a lot of questions. >> I don't think it matters if you pass it or not. I think we all agree that We need that line ground. However that takes, however that looks, whether that be by resolution or motion
or whatever, >> be real. >> Do you think you think us our resolution's going to support you know I don't want anybody not but it's contin
I can't express not only that kind of breaks everybody If we can change the resolution to say we support Taylor Countyy's pursuit and keeping the pipeline in the ground, whatever that looks like.
>> Yeah. >> Is the problem about an imminent domain or what makes people feel comfortable is the idea of who would end up owning it or just any action that was made regarding private property? Like what is the problem?
Oh, well I was asking that only because I did hear a question about like who's going to own it or the idea of who could even operate it versus the idea that if they need to take it through imminent domain that we support the county in doing that
pipeline you're not buying the land you're buying the use of pipeline Is that what you is that mean? >> The county, the state, DP, whoever it is. Somebody just had it so pulled out the ground.
I'm an attorney, but we could buy it. They look us. You pull it out of the ground. like we're not >> there's a whole lot of things I don't know about the whole thing and >> that's why they just want support of the county >> there's there's I mean there's a million
I won't say a million questions but just a lot of questions >> I don't I don't know the answer to >> full support can mean a lot of things it could get into financial support easily >> I like to put you on the spot but do you
have the PCA support all the time. We're all So I will just let you know that what we did yesterday was discussed. Of course, we haven't
been asked, but we show I brought that with me and right now I'm stalling because I'm trying to find what we just agreed on yesterday. And I I could talk much longer than you may want to hear, but let me just read this. The TCDA board of directors supports the
city of Perry's 5-year capital plan to build an appropriately designed and size wastewater treatment facility to support the future needs of our growing community and industrial base. You already know in your five-year plan, you have a big project to completely
upgrade and rebuild your own wastewater treatment plant that's already in the five-year plan. That's not new. While GP's treated effluent discharge pipeline could be utilized in tandem with a future city wastewater treatment facility, the board
believes GP's wastewater treatment facility wastewater treatment facility is significantly oversized for the community and would be prohibitively costly to purchase, operate, and maintain.
wastewater treatment facility may be appropriate for a future large industry choosing to locate on the remediated former GP site but not for county or city ownership. The board believes that resorting to imminent domain actions by
the city or county will discourage industries from locating in Taylor County >> even though it still does that. Together, our focus should be to recruit new businesses to the brownfield site created by the completion of the GP
closure and remediation plan. That's the board's agreed upon verage yesterday for Taylor County Development Authority. Do have a few comments since I'm here and otherwise I really didn't
feel strongly to slow this meeting down. U first again we support economic development across Ter County and we're also working a lot of initiatives, some of which include Andy and some of which don't include Andy. So, it's much more happening aside behind the scenes as you
know when you get the quarterly updates which you're due for in just about four more weeks. It's a big visible asset to look at that wastewater treatment system at Georgia Pacific. It's not unreasonable to look at it and wonder if this would be a valuable asset for Taylor County. Let me
tell you what that is. It's defined by Burma. We talk about it if it's as if it's a porta body but it's not a porta body. This is this is the wastewater treatment system as defined in the per primary treatment including list station
bar racks, primary clarifier with skimming pond, sludge pumps, 225 acres of solid settling basins, a mixbox including pH control, foul condensate injection system, a ura ammonium nitrate
addition system, a four cell influent cooling tower, and a 46 million gallon influence a surge basin with floating pumps, secondary activated sludge treatment, including a 32 million gallon
aation basin with floating surface air raators, two secondary clarifiers with polymer edition return activated sludge pumps and waste activated sludge pumps. Secondary sludge dewatering system with two trains considering of consisting of
gravity belt thickeners and centrifuses with polymer edition. Tertiary treatment, including a 39 million gallon airrated stabilization basin and 107 acres of legacy solid storage basins, including storm water collection and
return to the secondary treatment employment. Non-potable water reuse system for reuse of treated eent for wash and rinse water, storm water collection and management system. Onethird of everything I just said is inside the middle site. only twothirds
sits on the red pageant road. So if someone says, "I want to buy or take Georgia Pacific's wastewater treatment system." We're not talking about just what's on the red pageant road, which looks like it's sitting out there like a hora potty. It's actually a lot of stuff
inside the mill that you're taking as well. Um it's bigger than what is needed. If you look at Columbia County, which is held up as a good one, they have a 20 acre site that is is capable of processing 500 million gallons a day.
This is capable of processing 50 million gallons a day. So, all of Columbia County's uh system is only 1/100th of Georgia Pacific's, as John said, 800,000 people. We don't have 800,000 people.
What we had was a poll. This was specifically designed for pm millill effluent load, pill solids, pill chemistry. Wart Smith built Columbia County's wastewater treatment system. Guess why?
They built Georgia Pacific's as well. So, we talked to them today. They spent $30 million building that 20 acre site. They said it would take more than $30 million to convert the Georgia Pacific to a more reasonable flow. Can't
just take a 50 million gallon a day plant and then run it at 500,000 1/100th of its design. It won't work. It won't happen. The activated sludge system will not work. It has to be modified. So if
we buy it, if we get the grant, if we get the funds, if they will sell it to it or give it to us, we still have to spend more than $30 million just to modify it to be something functional that we could use. Or we could spend the same $30 million to build a new one like
Columbia County did. Or we could focus our money on what John's doing with a five-year plan to do that. So I'm not saying I'm for it or against it. I just want to make sure you know what all else we have to think about. U this is not a generic water
treatment plant. Why can it handle 4 million gallons of rain water or well water a day? Because now it's gone back to being an airated stabilization basin and not an activated sludge system. But the run is activated sludge which is what it's permitted to do. It has to
have the flow to go through it to make it work. So, I would just say, and George Pacific, I said this to the county commissioners two weeks ago. I'm not telling you what to think, but I am telling you what you need to be thinking about. So, you're asking the right
questions. County commissioners have not voted for this. They have not said, they've not been any kind of a vote that says proceed. Get after it. Let's go for it. It's next Tuesday night when it's on their agenda for something that could be a motion, a thumbs up, a thumbs down, a
vote. Not telling you shouldn't support it. Not telling you should the if there is an asset that makes sense. It is the pipeline. And that's actually what your agenda item was tonight. It was whether or not to support the pipeline. Wastewater treatment system is not mentioned on
your agenda tonight. Just came up. The pipeline is a very unique asset. It goes from to the Gulf. We could have industry all the way down to the Gulf tying into that. That would be wonderful. It would be very useful. I
completely support that the pipeline is a good thing. I'm not sure yet that we know it's going to have to be ripped out of the ground. This is a court case and court cases have steps and stages and conclusions. So, I'm not sure that it's the right point to insert
yourself, but certainly do not disagree with with Andy or Diane or Jeff that the pipeline is a nice asset. I think wastewater treatment system is a this is not the board's opinion. I think
wastewater treatment system is a mistake. >> Thank you, Bob. It was mentioned about all the wells that they have out there and how much water they generate. >> Yes. >> And it was enough to even supply other
counties. How feasible is that? What we understand at this point, we also communicate with Georgia Pacific. So it's not just like we're sitting on the sidelines. At this point, they have said we are going to
remediate the site. We have 25,000 acres. we're not going to sell it as one thing. There's the mill site which they're calling somewhere between 1,800 to 2100 acres. So they they have yet to say where's that boundary at? Then there is the 5,000 acre wellwater protection
line. That's the Rose Head property where the nine wells are at. And I think that right now that that there's no plan to take them up. I can't say that. But they have not been running two of those well pumps for years and years because of infiltration and fractures. and you
didn't need it. The water used to be 50 million gallons a day. Of course, you know, their consumptive use permit today is on 38 million. So, they haven't been using 50 for for a while. But, um, who can say if they're going to
I I have predicted many things GP would do wrong on what they tell us at this point is they're trying to remediate the site. By the way, the the research if you as as you say, if you remove the
dioxin, you can spend $400 million. That's not required by law. All you have to do is cap it. So, you can cap those sites that number two settling fund that has dioxin. Definitely has dioxin. You can cap it and walk away from it just like they cap landfills. They put four
feet of play on. They do a groundwater collection system. And so I actually would agree for the DB thinks this is going to be an excellent brownfield site and they intend to get it remediated to the point that it will be an excellent site and it certainly can be remediated
we believe of course only GP knows but for much less than $400 million that would be a going in and mining all the solids out and taking them like to a landfill in a Alabama that's burdened to have this kind of place what you
actually do is not disturb it at put put a cap over it and then do do the groundwater testing to make sure that you're not contaminating ground water. That's a good question. Other questions question you had noted that what was on
day resolution as noted now. Would you be in support of that? I know you were commenting as to your opin order but as to the resolution I don't know if you got a copy of I can't you know
maybe you did just >> okay would you be in support of that >> I'm not in support >> okay I just want to make sure I understood >> I didn't see it used I'm not a be very I might look like we're not aligned we're
aligned in many ways um so you think about you want to put a mall in and 40 acres get sold in four don't and you come in and say we can't have the mall if we don't have those last four acres what we're talking about here is much more hypothetical and what if and this could be terrible and what if it's terrible we sure need to go in and do
this I think you got to let it get a little more down the road where there's more clarity and more definition before you do this Taylor County gets known as Jeff's out here recruiting Diane's recruiting we're recruiting and our reputation gets well if you don't do it
All right, we'll just take it from I see that as a bad bad position to put ourselves in. Not that we would, >> but we better really think that through before we say, you know, this could be we'll just use it to get them to the negotiating table. It's got to be a
different way to do it than to start threatening. It's that's questions. Oh, this resolution was discussed at the
>> Oh, board meeting. >> The resolution was not discussed at the board meeting yesterday. >> Was not what was discussed was really the content of the county commissioners meeting two weeks ago. So, we had those notes and the article and the comments that were shared there and that's what
we used to frame our conversation. Again, I'm an employee of the board. I'm not the board, but I just reged on it. It gets passed. So, it is the board's position. Any other questions for me?
Motion. Motion. We table it. Roll call, please. Ma'am, >> second. I'm sorry. >> Council member. >> Yes, I did. >> They were just going to table it. >> Table it.
>> Table it. Council. >> Council member Hampton. >> Yes. Council. >> Yes. by Yes. >> Yes. because I have a lot of questions
and tonight's brought up a lot more questions. >> Thank y'all. >> There are two other things. One specifically legisl repeat your questions and your state is
one request from Pacific have a discussion and the third was to apply for the emergency bridge law even though you don't need money or you have to take >> say the NDA >> you don't
I don't say the NDA on here. >> I don't see it. >> It's not resolution. It was given to us information requested city council. >> It's what? >> It's not on the agenda. It was a part of
the packet. You say your summary city action suggested you all take a resolution um of the Taylor action. The second one was whether you would authorize the pursuit of state and board loans. The
long refer to that you can use or not use if it's granted it's interest pay for 10 years to allow for the city manager to apply for that. The deadline I guess is September 26. And the third
action was to authorize was requesting that you authorize Don hire a city manager to um be able to enter in a non-disclosure agreement with George Pacific if he wanted to take the opportunity to negotiate or consider
anything that would be of a confidential tech. But that's what he was asking if you want the NDA. What about the British loan? But it is interest free.
When do we have to apply for it by September 26? We got I mean we have time to apply for it at a another future meeting, right? >> U the money because it was used for
operating cost and how you use it going forward. question. >> I was just going to ask you that question. >> Yeah, this don't mix. Well, >> yeah. >> We bring that up at the next meeting.
>> Okay. So the NDA, you do you do want to go ahead and go forward with the NDA so you can at least talk. >> Motion. >> Yes, ma'am. >> I have a second on the just just for
John to have an NDA to just for John to have an NDA to talk to George Pacific. >> Second. >> Okay. refer John NDA to talk to Georgia specific. >> Yes.
>> Council member Hampton. >> Yes. >> Landry. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Thank y'all. Agenda item 7D, ordinance 1055,
public hearing and final reading of ordinance number 1055 for Duke Energy franchise agreement and council will take any action deemed necessary. An ordinance granting to Duke Energy Florida LLC DBA Duke Energy and Electric
Utility Rights of Way Utilization franchise describing the terms and conditions related to the occupancy of municipal streets and rights of way in the city of Perry, Florida for the purpose of providing electric service, providing
for severability of provisions and providing an effective date you allowed to speak? Sure. >> I'll be brief, but as always, I want to reiterate how much we appreciate on behalf of Duke Energy uh the business
relationship of the academy city for this current 30 years. And I'm simply here to ask or answer any additional questions that you might have of me tonight. and uh request um that you
approve uh our renewal for the franchise agreement going. >> All right. Agreement. What What's the uh fee on that? >> 6%. >> 6%. >> Yes. And that the standard rate across most >> 6.025.
>> You got to stop. Ma'am, anyone from the public like to speak on this? >> Anybody have a Hampton motions? Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Second. Roll call, please. Ma'am,
>> council member. Council member Hampton. Yes. Council Woodallandry. >> Yes. >> Mayor Peter. >> Yes. I would like to say too, just now that we're said and done and you voted again, I know your response during the
hurricanes has been second to none in my opinion. >> Thanks very much. >> I saw I mean I firsthand watched you armies of people roll into town. It was well put together, well organized, and it was pretty amazing to watch actually.
and you're a part of that. >> So I'm just >> but um I'm just saying that the the with the amount of damage we had especially in Adela you it was amazing to watch everything to happen as quick as it did. >> So pass that along
the next season but let's >> thank you. >> Thank you for sending the guys out. Those repairs got Thank you. >> I'll hang around for this case. >> Okay. >> Okay.
Agenda item 7E. Council to discuss Duke Energy easement for the Boys and Girls Club and council to take any action deemed necessary. John, you want you want me to? >> Okay. Simply put, the
kitchen expansion at the Boys and Girls Club, the pavilion. We're trying to increase it from or they're trying to increase it from 100 amps to 400 amps because it was basically built for three lights and a couple of plugs that are putting a you
full-blown kitchen in and it's it's it's overloaded and they're expanding it. They're changing it from a 100 amp to a 400 amp. Um they got to put in bigger wires to do it. They got to add one more pole. Even though it's been there for 35
years, the new pole triggered the need for an easement >> to go across there. >> Something about that repeated what you said. >> Yeah, the one new pole triggered the need for an easement. It's going to follow the same path. It's just going to
be a bigger wire and one more support pole just bolt down to east. I wasn't fooled into that because of city council. I was pooled into that because Yeah, they're going to use the same
exact polls. I said they're adding one more at the building for because the wire is bigger. I think >> everything motion. >> Council member Bry. >> Yes. >> Council member Hans. >> Yes. >> Council member Whistle. >> Yes.
>> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes. >> Mayor Ket. >> Yes. Then item six F budget workshop council to continue discussion on fiscal year 2025 2026
budget and council to take any action deemed necessary. those rate options what you asked for your last time. Um you won't vote on any of this until public hearing is but the prior year 5.836
this will bring in 2,151,266 and 27,492 of this are going to go to the CRA fund. Um this would be a 0.2 25% change from the roll back rate. And this is the city manager's recommendation to fund our budget. So it's currently what in the
budget. Um the current year roll back rate would be 5.8188 and it would bring in 2,145,88. And I did confirm with the property appraiser that those amount are correct. >> Any notes? So
it's like our revenue state. >> So those some of them have been received and I kind of marked like in the in the columns where I would say it
was from do and I had the actual or if I had an estimate or I was waiting. There's just certain things that they they can publish them anytime in August and I they haven't published them yet. like local communications tax hasn't
been um we did get quite a few but there are still some that I'm waiting on >> everybody ain't plugged into the budget to put a sound system in this room. >> That would be that in the Yeah,
>> it's in this I should say. >> Oh, is it? >> Yes. >> Everybody's trying to give me overkill. Nobody's understand >> Jamie B. >> I've helped him with negotiations. Everybody wants to overbuild what we need. >> Oh yeah, >> that's the problem. We can't find a
vendor willing to meet our needs. They want to force stuff on us that we don't want it. Yeah. I think it's 15,0002 >> for this space >> for what little
>> you got to be kidding me. >> Is that >> is that soundproof in the room and everything or what? >> So is it You got a budget. You got it budgeted in this year's budget to do that.
>> Buy some pieces. We'll put it together. >> We've discussed. >> Seriously. >> So, you know all about that. >> I don't know everything, but I know a little bit. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Unplug and play. Turn it to the piece back and back it down.
Y'all want to bear with me now, >> ma'am? >> Y'all want to bear with me? >> Absolutely. >> That requested water, but not necessarily the water. The partner gave us an estimate
if we reduce the rates by $5. I'm going to try to read what I wrote down. This is about fairness. For five years, our residents have done their part.
They have carried the burdens of rising utility rates. They feel the squeeze. Groceries filled housing costs. They all have risen
sharply. Utilities are essential services. Customers can't choose to use less in the same way they can cut other expenses.
We represent real people, retirees and the disabled on fixed incomes, single parents, working families and business owners.
They feel every great increase. Empathy is not charity. It's sound leadership. Inflation and cost of living pressures have increased,
prompting me to ask council to consider relief measures for our residents. This year, we ended with a sizable surplus. Now is our turn to respond,
not just with numbers, but with humanity. Let's offer relief and restore their confidence and the council's priorities. It's time to show empathy
to respond to the real financial strain our constituents are enduring. We are not operating at a deficit. In fact, we ended the year with the size of a surplus.
We are in a strong position with our reserves. Offering a modest relief to rate payers now is both fiscally responsible and socially responsive.
using a portion of unallocated surplus. But temporary relief demonstrates sound leadership, not recklessness. Deficits can be addressed through use of contingency reserves,
ellay certain noncritical capital outlay with ongoing monetary financial positions. This can be le and parley our home from surplus
or gradual shifts and capital priorities. Some projects can be phased, reprioritized or postponed.
I am often asked, is it more urgent to buy new trucks or to relieve financial pressures on 3,450 families? Our finance department
has analyzed the impact of $5,000 $5 reduction. Actually, um really one in $7. It can be spread out across all utility rates to minimize impact
on any one fund. I remember back a year or two ago, the water rates and utility rates used to be about the same amount
because it was based on usage. Now I have a water bill $80 and almost $10 of that is more than my water bill
which to me is not fair. Um you have in your packet uh what Carly so the number of accounts is 3,450 reduction $5
revenue reductions $270,000 the savings is only $60 for Our Virginia budget deficit is 152.
Now I was looking at some of our capital outlay and I'm not sure whether they are really necessary at this time but I don't know that only John knows for sure.
Um, Chief Cruz. >> Yes. >> You um you're one of two K9 vehicles and that's a revenue at this time. >> The ones we have now are 2018 models.
They're reaching end of life. the air conditioners are going out. So, it's it's in the >> if you repaired an air condition, how much would it cost? >> You've already multiple times. >> Yeah. How much would it cost?
>> And I'm going to worry about the sounds and operational um in the jobs that we do. Um, in the past we did turn. So more than just >> it's about making sure we have vehicle
that's safe and officers to respond to the residents that need us. >> I remember when you all had to ride those truck those cars with them >> until the wheels. And you know what? I don't want you there again. >> I don't want you there either.
And you said you need how many patrol vehicles? Um, we use a regular patrol that needs >> why >> there again we're replacing older.
>> But do you have to have it now? >> Yes, we do. >> I don't believe that, but it's okay. To me that would be 60 bad. Um streets streets need
what what is a equipment pole bond >> car? It's not in here. I believe that one's for gas. >> Is that the gas? >> It is. Yes. >> Sean steps back in. I can't remember what that was for. >> That's to store some of it I know of.
Some of it is restoring the new equipment they got last year, the mini trackho and trailers. They don't have facilities to park them currently. They're sitting out in the weather on the lot. And this is just be able to put that equipment underneath the shed where it's not being rained on, not rusting out in the weather. We've already spent
the money on this equipment. We don't need to build the waste by sitting out. And aside from that, some of the gas piping like water piping has to be stored at least out of the sun out of direct sunlight because if you leave it out in the sun, it can bleach it weaken that pipe over time and we install that
fail. >> Understandable. What's the hydraulic power? >> Again, that's a hydraulic power unit can be used for a couple different things. We actually just got one on fire budget last year in the water department. And
what we use ours for is we have a hydraulic powered water pump that can pump a lot more water capacity out of any leak or anything that happens on the job. Um I don't know which department is that one for is that waster. Yes. >> Okay. Similar in their front. They use
it on sewer manhole issues. They use it to pump out some of the lift stations while they're working on them. >> I'm I'm just going through this to say that they're always that we can relieve the burdens on our
constituents. $152,000 can also come from reserve. And since we're not voting on it today, I just want to ask council to consider
doing this for bad years and we've been raising the rates every year and we have a little league this time. I think we should at least give our constituents.
Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> Should I make a motion? for reducing the right. >> I was got one question. I had something from that came up a long time ago.
Do we okay if we >> if any of y'all remember do we have to have our water rates at a certain rate to get loans low interest loans that we're trying to maintain our equipment and with the asset management
plan that y'all approved we told the state and DP that we would raise rates about 15% I think the first year. >> Yeah. Okay, remember >> because we have to have a a separate account where we're showing that we're able to withstand. >> Okay, remember remember this do not have
to come >> from the water rates. Yes. From water rates. >> That was a rate study from the Florida Rural Water Association. And >> I remember >> it was 15 years the B or sorry 15% the first year and then a total of 25%
within that 5year period >> so far we have not done any of that on the water >> because we were behind the eightball >> and we still are >> and they gave us that plan to try and get us what we need. >> That was while JL was still here. Spent a number of years >> and I'm not I'm not I'm not against any
of this. I want to make sure I want to make sure we don't, you know, blindly step into something. >> If you do this, >> where is it going to come from? You're you're going to put your budget
in a deficit, which is illegal. Well, my feeling is first of all, giving everybody $5 a month is going to be a bookkeeping nightmare. That's number one with me because I'm a bookkeeper. Have been
>> You have to change your rates. >> What? >> You just have to change the rates. >> You change the rates. You're going to jeopardize the loan bill. >> I said it don't have to come from But that's what you
>> But this is what where would you take it from? >> Water was the one that really actually makes some profit. >> Yeah, the water I mean we've pulled from water several times this year to pay for stuff and if you cut the rates we don't have that cushion. That's true.
>> Can you bring back what was given to us? I think that's when I was think they didn't tell us we had to do it differently. >> Same thing you're talking about.
>> He said just we had to get up eventually to 25% increase. >> Okay. Asset management plan for public separate. >> Yeah. I just I remember that from a while back. If we get to a certain level, then they're not going to lend us
any more money. >> It would consider when we asked for different gran, hey, you're not doing what you said you would do and they could choose not to give us these grants because >> we had to prove that we're able to withstand on our own.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> We're behind we're behind the egg ball. I remember him saying that. Then I'm I'm not against what you proposed. >> No, I'm not either. >> But I just don't want to get us in a in a bind and then we done negotiated with
a contract for a certain percentage of that to be put to the side and if we're not doing what we supposed to do and we go back and we're needing money, we get rejected. So >> yeah, I don't want $150,000. It cost 10 times that or more.
>> That's all. The auditor just told us that we were in good shape. >> We are, but it's because we have done some of these things. >> If someone stay there. >> Yeah. >> And you mentioned a while ago that we
could save money by maybe postponing some projects. That's why we're in the position we're in now. The projects have been postponed year after year after year and now we're at a got to position.
as speaking of what was on the capital. >> Yeah. Water go back. to go back year 20. >> It should be near the 401.
Yes. 401. 2021 we've increased it at least by a million dollars if I'm looking at it this way. >> Yeah. I see the bottom line has increased.
Am I looking at it right sometimes? agree. >> Yeah, but but she's got a note there that without grants or capital outlay that that total would only be a million. >> I'm trying to explain
what you all said. We're so far behind. In 2021, we were at 1.9. What I what I'm saying behind then is getting projects done, getting our infrastructure up to where it needs to
be. I mean, we we're behind the eightball when it comes to that >> because we put it off and postponed and put it off and postponed and now we got to do something. So, >> Joe's got a very good job. >> Yes, he has. He's He's been able to get
money for us and able to do some of this stuff. Look at in this is what I'm proposing. Now, if you don't want to look at how we've come and said they don't want to vote on,
>> but I will. >> Did you make a demotion? >> Yes, I will. Like I said, Councilman Hampton, I understand it what what it is that you're trying to do. But my only reason why I would not vote for this is because of the contract that we got with the
water management. >> That's what I'm trying to get. >> Where it has to stay. >> Okay. Where it has to stay at a certain percentage. If we take it down, that's going to that's going to be frowned upon because we're already behind >> where they're saying that we should be
putting money aside to stop to show that we are able to stand on our own. >> Yeah. Ask the state for money for help >> and we cut rates so we're not trying to take care of our own self. >> Yeah.
>> So we just keep charging a poor man. man always have to pay for everything when everything >> we had to replace that this concrete manion facility
It's not that I'm not thinking about them. I I think about them every day. It's just that >> you're not doing anything. >> I don't want to have it later on when we going to end up having to lay people off and we get projects not done. >> I wouldn't ask for this if I thought that was
giving us some credit. Please. I I love Fort >> I mean got you boy Austin went through a 20 something% increase >> Donald St. I can't remember. Somebody
did that was >> please don't take this garage, mayor. Please, >> we just we just been over there for the Boys and Girls Club that I'm asking to do for the constituents.
I don't know whether they come to you all or not, but they come to me often because they can talk to me. Because I understand. Because I've been there. People with money have not been there. They don't
understand. >> I've been there, too. >> I've had my water cut off more than >> there. Everybody rushed and voted for that. Well, you can you can help him by reducing his rates, but then you turn
around and and get from the state to do what we have to do. >> And he's paying anyway. We all pay. >> I'm done. >> Okay. So, are you going to motion or not? We need to move on.
>> What happened? >> I don't feel that. Okay. They want to talk. >> They want to talk any more discussion about the budget from anyone >> in the Boys and Girls Club. I voted for
that because that's something >> and the kick because they feed multiple amount of kids in the community. So that's why I voted for that. and >> I don't want to go on a paper like I'm not trying to help people >> and and council Hampton that's how
you're you're putting it that we're not all for we're just >> I'm for I'm for the I'm for the poor man I've been there >> I'm just giving you >> I'm there now >> I ain't had a job since October 16th of 2024
but God been blessing me to keep going it's good to have you >> anyway Anyways, any more discussion on >> fulltime job? >> Any any more discussion on the budget? >> When do we have to have this done, Carly? What's our deadline on the budget?
>> So, we'll do another budget workshop in August. Um, I think y'all can say y'all just wanted to do them at the meetings. >> Okay. >> And then we'll do our first public hearing September 11th and we'll do our second public hearing.
We're regularly scheduled. you know his lives with me but that's what that's when the deadline is >> so the next meeting we really have to have all of our books >> it would be nice if we did for sure because of not going to change a lot in
the last month but technically we can change through the second meeting >> okay >> yes once the budget works >> we're just going to do it at the at the meeting >> that's right That's right.
Okay. All right. Any more discussion on the budget? Not agenda item 7G. Council to discuss the train depot roof and council to take any action deemed necessary. >> We didn't get to state appropriation for
that one. We asked $100,000. So, we kind of need to figure out what we want to do forward. I'll just put the shingles back on like it was before, not worry about the liability insurance that >> the shingles already been paid for.
>> Reimbured us for it and they had told us that if we decided not to do it, we would have to give the money back. >> So, it's paid for if we want to do it. If we don't then yeah >> why can't we do that
>> and require to provide them ability >> still think if somebody walking down the steps that would be on city >> well that's going to happen anyway
>> there any insurance I think they do have business insurance. >> I don't know how that would work out. >> If the roof were to fall in, god forbid, that would be a lesson. >> Oh lord. >> Would they would they insure the
building or the grounds or whatever without the roof and exclude the roof? Would they do that? >> It's a liability. They are insurance building. >> Okay. If anyone got hurt, >> got hurt. >> Has an engineer looked at it,
>> structural engineering prior work. So we could if we do a RFQ for engineering services 10, 15 grand to figure out what it take to shore it all up. if that's possible. That's what we ran into last time.
>> It's been been tried and tested over the past 10 years. >> Nobody gonna give us a price to engineer and construct because you don't know what the engineering is. >> Like people will only reimburse for the shingles. They're not going to reimburse for any extra things that we do, >> right?
Well, it's been there a long time and stood up to >> storms and all for a long time just like it is. >> It's been tested. >> Yeah, >> it didn't go anywhere. The shingles did, but everybody's did.
Almost everybody's >> motion to replace the shingles. >> Council runs. >> Council member Hampton. >> Yes. >> Council member Woodfall. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes. >> Mayor Ketan. >> Yes.
Okay. Agenda item 7H. council to discuss sale of parcel number 07740-0000 also known as 415 Plantation Road and council will take any action deemed necessary. That must that must be an old picture.
Those most of those trees aren't standing any longer. Anyway, so you got somebody interested in Um, I think the person's interested in purchasing has got the plot right there. Yeah. Yeah. Dan Yeah. Dan Castle,
senior. Fire chief's dad. County fire chief's dad. >> Oh, the fire chief. >> Yeah. I was being spec trying to be specific after I realized what I said. That's
value project. We got several quotes to clean the trees up to put them on the right away for us to pick them up. The lowest we got was $8,000 >> and buy it up. >> One of them. Is it in a flood zone? It's
got to be It goes under water every time it rains. >> He already if we spot to him, he already has someone lined up. Yeah. >> Probably. >> Yes, ma'am. It's been inside that curve.
I didn't know the city owned it until it got brought to my t. I had no idea. >> Policy is to sell for no less than excess value. I think I would play hard about that for this. They're going to have to pay more to be clipped up. Nice.
>> Did you get the appraise? >> Said 17,000. If we take it off the city on the website it's 8,500 for 17,000 >> not being underwater like it is
well in the flood zone. I have seen it underwater. I've seen well all that green I've I believe it. He just asked that we take into consideration to cleaning up the lot.
>> Well, there's a lot to be clean. >> I really feel like clean it right away as soon as he takes ownership. He owns a lot of property. >> Yeah. >> He rents them. >> I think he's got a machine. >> His properties clean.
>> He's got a machine to do it with. >> Sure. He's contracting it out. >> Okay. >> He's already talked to somebody about >> Gotcha. >> Who is Who is he? >> Who is he? >> Dan Castle.
>> Okay. >> I don't know. >> The county fire chief is he moved here from Keys. He's just he invests in real estate. >> Yep. A lot of properties. does a lot of work on himself.
He's got a house on Simol, come to think of it. But yeah, I think his daughter lives in that one house. Anyway, yeah, that thing needs to be cleaned up. I think some people threw some trees on it from some other properties, too. It's grown up and what ain't grown up.
It's dead trees. Well, it's just a mess. It really needs it. We need to come up with a dollar. >> Yes. >> Sale price. Is that what we need to do? What does the policy
pretty much negotiate price? >> Okay. I say not less than the appraised value, but other considerations can be made. >> So the cleanup is anywhere between 8 and 20,000. So the chief is being aid and that was with putting the Is that for getting rid
of the trees or putting them on the road for us to get rid of? >> Just moving the ones that were put to the rightway for us to pick up. >> Was it 20,000 getting rid of the trees too? >> That was just putting them by the road.
Is he going to get rid of the trees or is he going to put them by the road or >> we'll have Well, >> I don't know. >> The way our policy is you know, if he owns a property adjacent to, you know, like he owns two parcels
and they're tied together, right? >> He can place it on the rightway, but if it's over one large truckload, then he would pay $50 for the first truckload, $100 thereafter, >> and the city would pick it up. >> He would be eligible for that because
>> that's not a bad price for him. >> Yeah, that's what I think. But it also takes us a lot of time. >> What was >> at this point there are trees >> appraised value. What' you say? >> Shows 8,000 >> 8500 >> 17,000
property >> about selling this to one person >> who owns adjacent property. >> Huh? >> Who owns adjacent property? >> Doesn't matter. Maybe somebody will will pay you more. >> I think we had to check.
>> We sent letters to the adjoining property owners. That's what our polic states, but >> um I'm uncomfortable. We disposing of property like it was popcorn.
And uh we did do it with a seal pin. need to do it with what? >> Bid me that works. >> But they going everybody's going to have
to understand and take into account got it cleaned up. >> That's going to be a part of selling it. >> You can set a return too. >> Let's agree to that. >> I agree. Because what's >> reserve price with it being all cleaned
up? Correct. But with them paying us to haul off the stuff or them or we just So there's all these variables as it is now.
>> As it as the property is now >> and they buy it as is and clean it up. And I want to reserve what? 3,000. >> Yeah. >> Agree. >> You make a motion. >> Are we motioning that that we sell it as
a SE with sealed bids? Is that how much? Three. I don't even know if that was buildable. >> I just threw a number out. If you got a better number, throw it out. >> It's only worth eight. And they're going to have to clean it up. That's what I
guess. Property owners to clean up your property. >> I'm not going to. >> Well, then the city needs to clean it up. I'm >> telling you what he said. >> We own it now. So, it looks like we need to clean it up. >> We need to get busy because we have a
whole lot we need to clean up. Got that, right? There's a lot. This is a way for somebody else to put it back on the tax roles and get it cleaned up and not cost us anything. >> That's the minimum. It can go higher.
despa throw a number out. >> I just threw a number out. You throw one out yourself. >> She said 8500. >> 8500. >> The question was clarified. It may or may not make a difference to you all. So now I want to address another property that's not on
the surplus list where there was a different response. So, this property is not on the surplus land list that the council had already noted that they wanted to sell off surplus land. Someone's come to the council and said,
"I want to buy this land own." And I understand from what D was telling me, it wasn't on the surplus land list and >> they took plant all the plantation got took off of it. That lot was bought or
given to us back before a sewer was put in high ridge to put on put a lift station in. That was the purpose of that lot. Then when they did their design, they realized it would take more than one lift station. So we did not use that lot for a list station. That's why those
homes have the E1 pumps. So we have no use for that lot now. That's my opinion. It's in flood zone. So you probably can't build on. >> I think that's why got took off of there because they were they found out they
were all in flood zone. >> Yeah, them other houses got built before that was a thing. >> So it was on the list. It just came off the list as one of the ones we were pushing >> years ago. >> That was during the time they were the city would
give you the land. at a certain time to fill all that. >> No, you give me a dollar for it, John. Have to clean it up. >> The only reason why he wants it cuz he joins it. But he still be fine.
Still works. >> I make a motion that we sell it. But but all he's got to do is walk in there and file whatever you file. City's going to have to clean it up.
That's what happened. I thought crossed my mind. But anyway, what say the council? >> I was starting to make a motion. >> Yes, ma'am. >> That we sell it under sealed bid minimum of 3,000.
>> Yeah. With the understanding is going to get cleaned up. >> We're not going to clean it up. I mean, it's as is. >> Whoever buys it going to clean it up. Yes. >> Okay. There's going to be a certain time to get it.
>> Uh, six months hopefully sooner. There's bugs in it. >> Minimum. >> Yeah. have it cleaned up in six months. >> Okay. >> The motion is selling a sale bid minimum
reserve of 3,000 must be cleaned up within 6 months. >> I have a second. >> Sorry. >> Yeah, we have a second. Go once. Going twice. Motion dies for lag at a second.
I can't I'm assuming there's a better idea. Got to give the man an answer of some kind. I'm all for selling it because I don't see any reason to keep it. And if we keep it, we need to clean. We're going to need We're going We're going to need
>> We're going to keep it. We need to clean it up. >> Praise God. >> We're talking about selling what was appraised for less. What it's going to take to clean it up is what I I mean, if we're going to sell what it's appraised for, we need to clean it
up. And I won't tell you what we're going to spend doing that. Anywhere from $8 to $20,000, apparently. We may not even get our money back. Got >> a question. >> Yes, sir. >> John, what's the status of the other
request purchasing land? John, you are on it. >> Trying to stay out of these things. >> Seems to be a potential problem if you're following your policy for one for the last five and you're not going to follow through this one. >> I feel like
>> exactly you want to change your policy and find personal little logo or the property appraisers assessment which he's admitting to you. If it wasn't city owned, it would be higher. >> So I understand you might want to change your pos. If I was legal counsel, I would have
spake up and said, "You can't be selling one for this for what? You haven't questioned or cleaned up or trees the last four or five, but this one we're talking about steel bids and maybe we need to clean it up first. It seems like if I was one of the prior four or five, I might be upset. >> I was going to be talking about one of
those properties in my >> Thank you. my my um I thought this property was on surplus that's why I was asking for >> I was trying to pull it up request
>> but I can wait for that >> we need direction now >> well um if you all remember there was a property one of those possible previous they couldn't be upset cuz they were told that um that it was not being
supported. However, um in the address I'm referring to is a 200 Davis Drive address. If you remember um a a a person bought property and end up having a structure on it that that's that was a
joint ad a joint to the property that's I think behind Lind Dixie or something. >> Yes. And um >> there was a building on city property >> building um is actually on city land >> and and there was a discussion it was not on the surplus list. We had no
desire where we're putting pillows out there to sell that property. Um and the council um seemed to regard the idea that we don't want to be in a position where people could come pick out land regardless if it's not their fault or not say I want to buy this and then put
pressure on us to resolve it versus this particular thing was a violation regarding our zoning laws in the building versus like you take out the expense to remove the structure and be in compliance. Um, and the the reason why I had it slated to share was because
that same re realtors contacted us again and also because Mayor Ward wanted even even if there was no agreement to sell it to at least determine if it could be sold if there was any utilities that would be um interrupted or have to be
dealt with. So, I was going to answer that question. Um, but it has seen or at least in prior conversations with the board that we've been open to sell even at very minimum cost surplus land that were listed because that was the city's
prerogative. Um, and that what was discussed about the 21 described was potentially opening up a can of worms where people could now come or the expectation would be if if I want this property because I'm not compliant or just want it because I want it. that
then it would be a whole another city to start making decisions about selling property when the goal was to surplus property. So this could be differentiated different. I hear a lot of people saying I don't know. I think this was why we didn't put it on or it was on the surplus list. Um
but it has been stated in other council meetings at least one or two others that I've been a part of regarding um not making a decision to go forward. There may have been other reasons why but um the idea of of um especially that wasn't attached to
like businesses but even then all the property have been on the surplus list surplus list property. Um, so that has been stated openly in a board in a meeting board council meeting before, but um, like I said, I was going to
address the 200 Davis Drive property because there was an outstanding question whether even if the council was open to selling, was there any utilities that would be interrupted um, or on that property in that where that building is? It's not, but I I had already informed
the realtor and the owner of 200 Javis Drive that the council was inclined not to sell the um the surplus list. I don't even think I got into surpluses because that person wouldn't necessarily know, but I know they reached back out to John. John reached back out to me saying can this be done,
>> you know, or not so much, can this be done, but address that realtor again or that owner again? So, I was going to address it here so I can say recently I read addressed it with the council and this is what the decision is. >> Did you find it? >> It's not on the website.
>> Yes, that's what I'm saying. I was looking for I couldn't find it either. >> And I just don't remember if it was on an original list. So, >> so tonight we either need to follow the council, follow our policy or change the policy, one of the two. Right.
>> Well, I don't believe there's a hard written policy. I just believe that it's been it's been the the >> it's been the the do >> Yeah.
a list of the policies that you just first surplus >> the regarding the intentions of surplus property and that's what I was and this is not a surplus property 200 Davis Drive is not a surplus property I guess
you just affirmed that this also is not >> probably not using a surplus it was a list >> well the list she's was referring to. We didn't necessarily call it a surplus property years ago. We had some city owned lots that they would
>> it was an incentive and I can't remember what they call that. They give you the lot but you have to build a home for $75,000 >> gas. when also what I'm referring to is I guess the first few months I came to
office there was a discussion there literally was the that the council said that there was like initiative to get rid of surplus property and that's what the term was. >> Yeah. The county's in the middle the counties the county's in the middle of doing that right now. Right. And there
was a list of properties and even a display of where the properties existed. >> Right. I remember that. >> Yes sir. >> Maybe there's some difference. I'm not aware but haven't we recently discussed this numerous times. >> We have Wilson's.
>> We have property property. >> Martin last year. >> Yeah it has. Or is this different because those are streets or or something? Because >> we had a a policy for it.
>> Oh, the surplus. >> Yeah. Right. >> There's been three businesses in the last year. >> There is. So residential to >> question because it's an alley >> right that came up with a different set
of rules attorney you have to give it to the jury but probably your streets apparently are different than alleyways I guess >> different legal direction >> yeah they are and I was just focusing on surplus versus another use for the city to use it everybody be okay we took a
five minute bathroom break Yeah. >> And our policy. That's what we supposed to be doing. Amen. >> You're not gonna fall. >> Yeah. But I'm telling you, we just we just voted on this.
We had the stars. We clean up except good >> breaking in. already meeting back in back is under journ back in session >> and follow the policy.
>> Okay. >> Motion to sell it and follow the policy is what he said. Where >> it's somewhere >> motion in a second for him, baby.
>> Follow the policy. We're not going by the appraises. >> Whatever it says on there is what we're going to do. >> Get that put on the site.
>> You think you're going to rewrite it? Yeah, >> we've already followed this policy. >> No less value. They're not eligible for all costs associated with >> and we have conveyance rights
and it goes into more stuff about two or more that are interested but this is the way that is just one person >> the price is where we're at now. Nothing on there about props. >> No less excess value appraisal.
>> We finally got this. >> Sorry. >> Yes, ma'am. All right, we have a motion, a second on the table that we have a move. >> Hampton, >> yes. >> Blue, >> yes. >> Landry,
>> yes. >> Yes, >> that wasn't a price. >> Property of phrasing, but whatever. All right. >> All right. >> Say again, Aaron. I couldn't hear you.
>> Say again. >> No less than that. It doesn't say that. Says no less. >> We could sell it for more than that if we wanted to is what he's saying. But >> that's what can't sell it for less.
>> Conditions in now. We bring it. But I I'm not sure. But if he does if he doesn't, we're still have to spend at least $8,000 to clean it up. >> See, we need to do that with all the properties around the city and not just
be concerned about one property. >> Well, everybody wants us by >> Well, we don't know. But we can't just All right. Mhm. according to policy.
>> Agenda item seven I council to discuss interlocal agreement with D County Sheriff's Office and council to take any action deemed necessary standard interal agreement that we've always had. >> Have a second.
>> Second is seconded. >> Health member. >> Yes. Council member Hampton. >> Yes. >> Council member Woodall. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes. >> Mayor K. >> Yes. Agenda item 7J. Reapproval of the
amended minutes June 24, 2025, regular session. >> That letter y'all signed was for those type of grants. I think the original expense just said hurricane related grants. to say CDBG and HFTP. >> Okay.
>> Let's create what kind of grants they are specific. I have a motion. >> Have a motion. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Yes. >> Hampton. >> Yes. >> Council member Woodall. >> Yes. >> Vice Landry.
>> Yes. >> Yes. Agenda item 7K. Approval of minutes July 22nd, 2025 regular session. It says 22, but okay, I got them backwards on the Let's
go back on the June the 24th minutes. would be page three. They're not numbered. Page three at the top. It says the I am 9 PMC workshop was scheduled for 79 25 at 400 PM at the city council
chambers, meaning in the future we're going to have it. And yet this is dated uh June the 24th. Well, that'd be right. Never mind. Dian's lost or not. motion to approve minutes of July the
22nd. Second regular session Hampton. >> Yes. Council member. >> Yes. Mayor Landry. >> Yes. >> Mayor, >> yes. Good manager. It's old as well.
>> It's not usable. this cleaning up. He already owns between him and red guys. They own pretty much this whole block I think except this part maybe >> but y'all see where he's doing the work to clean this one up. >> He has this whole parcel would be
developable. So he wants this piece from us. He just got it cut in half. >> Is that listed on our excess property? >> It was talking about >> we already discussed at a meeting before. >> We did. It's been discussed before. >> Yeah, there was last meeting.
>> What was that? No, two, three years ago. >> I'm talking about a couple years ago it got discussed, too. >> Yeah. >> Well, everything's two or 20 years ago. >> I can't see it.
>> He's not That building has no bank. It shows a little bit of value on the property 2500. He comes to tear that down. He's offering to pay the assessed value of the land value 3,000. >> And there are no adjacent. >> We sent letters.
>> He's the adjacent land. >> We did have an other. Okay. >> He said he'll buy it for the land value 3,000. I'll answer the land. It's going to cost him money to tear the building. So he's asking it's not considered that value as part of the assess value.
>> You got to get rid of the whale too, don't you? >> Abandoned as of yesterday. >> Is it still there? >> But it has been properly abanded trees. He's asking for a break on the say again. I'm sorry.
>> Becoming a little becoming a little precarious that we can start selling land and I understand you're saying appraise value I guess value um by someone knowing someone or what land may be owned by the city and
attempting to buy it without something like a bid or has not been listed as excess property that we intended to sell. Um, that's a great way of just sort of like who you know wrap up a lot of land at very cheap prices unless you
want to change and include this as a part of the surplus land which you'll have the right to do but um >> what do you mean >> I know you said it'll be arguing about the same thing and um so >> that you all want to treat like you just
do the other thing or should we have something where you where we're looking at the policy to extend the way you define SX land as any land that the city council has deemed having no value to I
don't know the operations of the city or or some some way of gauging it versus just like can I get it on the calendar. There's already questions and letters gone out and the council hasn't even voted whether or not you want to sell it.
useful and maybe I know I missed the last meeting because I had co so maybe this was a raise the last so if I did I still have the same question but if you all knew about this and you feel that if it's what the provision is for surplus property even if it's not made prior to
um I just seems like that I just caution against it without at least clarifying because I know Mr. heart said he doesn't know what surplus list we had, but there has been one.
Now we have to do some reach on that. Well, three of them maybe come up with a definitive surplus list. But I mean, but if something comes up that we didn't even know we owned that we could I mean the surplus list or this
surplus list that I don't know if it exist or not, but if it if it if it but if it's um it's a it's a living document that can be changed, properties can be pulled off, properties can be put on. It's done by the council as far as I
know. So was done in public. There's no he who you knowing back door deals that I know of. >> Jesse back. >> What else did you do? idea of our putting forth property that we want to sell versus a citizen coming
>> I was saying that what was suggested when we were talking about Davis Drive a few months ago you know >> I understand if somebody builds a piece of something on the city property I mean that's on them I do understand that >> so you're differentiating >> how am differentiating.
>> I thought that's what you were saying about the idea of someone building something like city. >> I said if somebody knowingly does it and then wants us to fix it for them. I'm not sure what to say about that to be straight and honest with you.
>> So >> wants your opinion on this. whether we sell that property to Cal Thomas or not. >> I'm for filing policy. >> Following policy, that's fine. He He
would have different use than we would. >> He puts it all together. >> Yeah. I'm not >> exactly >> I'm not arguing that. But if it's not listed on our surplus property list, do we have the right to sell it to him since other people have come?
>> Well, you declare it. >> Huh? >> You you declare it surplus. >> Well, then that's what we need to do tonight. >> How much trouble is it to clear something surplus? >> Our policy never even mentioned surplus list. A surplus property is property we
don't need. Every property we have, we don't need surplus. >> No operational value. So I'm saying is it an ordinance? Is it a >> what? There's no reference to a surplus list >> the policy you just discuss literally plays out
procedure. >> I understand that >> we hold two meetings. >> I'm talking about this list >> first hearing and secondary circle of property. >> I'm just talking about the list. The >> list is not coming into play when we talk about cribs or Wilson's or any others we talk about. Why is it why are
we talking about a list now? >> Exactly. I didn't bring up the list. It was brought up for me. I didn't know list existed to be honest with you. >> If there is inoperable use, I think that's how you operational use. It is
declared surplus property if you want to sell it. I just think that clarification probably needed. >> Okay. Well, let's declare it surplus property. We're not going to use it. It's in the middle of his property.
>> Have a motion on that. >> I'm so excited about that property. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I'll make a motion. >> Got a second. Do we have a second to clear that
surplus? >> Motion in second. >> Was that >> Sorry, >> you you're declaring it surplus. It will appear on an agenda >> right in the future. Yeah.
>> All right. We got a motion in a second to declare a surplus. We're going to have a what? First and second meeting on that. >> That's my point. A surplus is surplus by definition by list. Can you pull the
That's literally the policy did have to be declared. That's what she did three times since she read city man. >> Yeah. As ordinance to settle. >> That's right. That's the ordinance to declare surplus. That's what we've done. That's what I think you're trying to do.
>> Yeah. >> So, we have to have two meetings. No, declare it surplus and two meetings to sell it later. Is that wood? No. >> Animal control hearing. I apologize. That was a video from
I apologize. >> That was a two and a half hearing to an hour. Andrew was up here took a little while. Any sale has to be done by >> I'm I'm I'm all for selling these
properties out, but I want to do it right. I don't want later on someone to come up here and just ping ping and say, "I'm gonna sue you guys because y'all did this, this, and this." So, I'm going to rewrite the policy. That's clear.
Thank y'all. They want to table this right by motion motion rescended. Okay. All right. Anything else? Do you have anything >> quick announcements?
Um I the um case with civil infraction regarding um deleted um with the the contractor who cut the gas line. Um
they cut the gas line. um you know dealing with instruction over by call the day end. Um as I shared with you all before um we went to court the the person did not we went to court and we asked and we looked into having it heard
in a matching court or a different jurisdiction that was not possible and I shared with you all that um that person did show up. So the court actually placed it on the calendar again. Um the the mouth it malf from Texas expectation
like the last court hearing it won't be responsive and if it doesn't show up the I'll argue a motion for summary judgement um because there's um there's penalty several thousand dollars available um for what they did. It wasn't just that they made the accident
but they did not report it. If it wasn't for um um some other people who were working at the site, if something would have blown up, no one would have known about it for at least two hours and didn't return back to the site. Um the remaining issue on there and it's not even remaining was a further
conversation if we do win judgment how far the city wants to go in pursuing it. So I'll just let you guys know what happens. The hearing is scheduled August 19th, next Tuesday at 2 PM in Judge Boo's office.
Um I did just want to note I just um did want to note I said that um I was start making like either um notations for just aspects of Sunshine Law and for potential opportunities for
some type of rule of procedure to review. um a few months ago and I had not started including that. I did do a memo recently. So I just wanted to note um particularly this ever growing um discussion with the
imminent domain desired by some people of the public involving the county commissioner or the county commission. Um now there's been presentation from the city council. Um the private actor Andy Jackson is also a member of our zoning board. Um it was interesting. I I
was grateful to also hear from Taylor County um development authority. I just wanted to note um that for collegial um for for social purposes there's no reason why you should be concerned about violating sunshine law. I just wanted to
note although you all are not on the same boards when you have a a likable you have a very um reasonable sense that a matter could come before the council or has gone before the council that you're not permitted to talk when I say
you as um elected officials um are not permitted to talk about matters that will come before the council potentially for decision making with people on other boards inside your um on other boards like a zoning board and the county
commissioner um oneonone unless it's in a public forum and just I'm only noting that because you can see that that conversation is only going to get bigger and it'll be very tempting. Now you have the right to talk to oneonone to private
citizens a development um a a person a business developer who's not on a board appointed board particularly for the city of Gary. I just wanted to note that just so you could be mindful um because it can get very because you have business owners who are also on the
zoning board and also on these things but they don't serve as your your colleagues in the same collegial body um which is the intention but um I would just suggest because the whole goal of the sunshine law is just to make sure it doesn't seem like there's there that by
the time we have meetings that it's really sort of saying yes to something that's already been decided outside of the meeting. So, I would just caution against that. Um, and so that was just going to be my sunshine lock um tip for today. Myself and I think um Ward,
you're going to the Florida Legal Cities Conference this weekend. Um we um it starts on Thursday and um everything else I'll just wait the next meeting or follow up with John. Thank you. >> Thank you, Carly.
>> Sorry. Thank you for living after that for me because I received a call from home to me. It just talked about >> but it is a private citizen even a
business owner. >> I think he don't resign from the board now. Who's that? >> Who resigned? >> Andy. >> Andy resigned from what? >> Oh, really? >> Y
>> today. >> All right. >> So, we got to find another planning zoning board member now. though you have move. >> Yes. >> Okay. Carly
Jamie. >> Nothing today. >> RV Daniel. >> Hey, Mirley. Jeremy, could you uh get Bruce to look at the property on J Smith and 19
property? >> Which side of the intersection? >> Uh it'll be on if I'm headed south. So >> that's across from that corner. >> Yes.
And what happened? Did you run everyone away? Service station, no munches in that vacant lot. I don't see anyone there anymore. >> Well, we haven't done anything. Property owner cannot allow people to be on that
property. Alcohol or even violation. Maybe a message delivery, but we haven't done anything. Landry, >> would you introduce your sidekick to us? >> Yes, ma'am. This is April, our new admin
assistant that we'll be doing. She took over >> Amy's part of Amy's role against >> Okay, welcome April. >> I don't have anything tonight. Okay, that's Brian.
>> Yes, could you get us sound system? >> What? Going death. But um only thing I've got is yard trash. And what I'm going to ask a
question. I don't really want to answer it for tonight. I just want to think about it. You go past a house that's got two yard two truckloads of trash. So you just totally skip it.
Why not pick up one truckload? See my point? Is that a flow in our ordinance somewhere? You see what I'm saying? If there's one truckload, you pick it up. There two truck loads, you pick nothing up.
If I understand correct, >> I understand that, but I'm just saying what at least get >> what you're asking us to pick up a little bit this month, next month, a little bit >> or at least get a truckload and let them pay for the
take 17 miles to pick it up. >> I saw one today that's probably that big. >> So then it's going to sit out there and then the neighbors are going to complain. They're already >> right. >> And some of those calls that you're referring to in your neighborhood, those people have I've sent them letters and
they have agreed to the payments. The guys are just now getting back into that neighborhood to start picking them up. Now there are some that I'm going to have to send letters to. Okay. >> But I was waiting because I knew that it might get brought up tonight. So I
actually have four that I need to send to. >> Yeah. >> Just be prepared next meeting. >> Yeah. I get what you're saying. You see my point. >> But if we don't pick it all up, then they're complaining because it sits out
there. >> People are complaining either way. You know, it seems like, >> but I literally have somebody that's calling every day about a pile out there by now. >> Gotcha. >> Every day. Actually, about two piles.
So, and both of those people have agreed to pay the charges. We just have not made it out there. >> And something else need to think about too that I'm going to hush is the second round of trees that are
dead. They are everywhere and it's going to be a lot a lot of picking up. >> I had one to follow that truck >> and that's going to put us further behind. >> Exactly. I got seven in my yard.
>> Quiet. >> Maybe we need to go find some Well, never mind. I ain't going to say it. Thank you.