guess time get mov Mr D Mr D would you like to do the prayer for us would like to pray for me God we love you we bless God we thank we thank you this city for this County people that
are trying to work things out ask you bless them and Trust bless per might be to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible
liy and justice for all thank you so much Mr the record this is the March 11 2025 regular city council meeting the roll call pleas counc Brian yes counc H
Yes counc W yes vice mayor Landry here mayor C here number three item number three approval of items on the consent agenda approval read by title only ordinance number
1049 motion counc R yes counc hon yes Council wood yes vice mayor Landry yes mayor K yes it number four receiving requests from The General do we have anyone general public would like to speak on
anything that is not on the agenda he nothing we'll move on to number five which is bids and I don't see any bids on the agenda moving on to number six General business agenda item 6A K Hall to discuss agreement for mgag
pending transaction 2025 B Council will take any action deem necessary evening get after good afternoon how are you good how are you doing well so thank you all for having me I'm Katie Hall the general
manager Theo Florida gas utility think you've seen me a couple times this year so thank you for having me back um this is always a great opportunity to bring these these um deals to you guys so you're probably familiar with these you've heard about them a couple times
these are their long-term discounted gas transactions sometimes we used to call them prepay deals we try to get away from that prepay you get actually prepay um for the gas but you are participating in five of these transactions so far and
our board has set parameters to um for our members to go up to about 80% of their average daily use of natural gas you guys still have room for one more trunch to get to that 80% and we have an opportunity here from the municipal gas
authority of Georgia they partnered with City Bank and City Bank is offering a minimum discount of 65 cents a decm to put that perspective your other discounts range from 29 cents a decm up to up to 47 cents at the decm so 65
would by far be your biggest discount so this just is the discount apply to whatever we buy your gap for so the hedging that we talked about the last time I was here this can be layered on top of that so this is just an ongoing discount it is a long-term deal it's a
30-year deal it will reprise every 5 to seven years um if that minimum discount during that repr pricing goes below 23 Cent you can step aside from the deal you can get out of it completely or you can still choose to participate in it so same parameters as all the other deals
that you guys are in um just to kind of give you a a glimpse of what these discounts are achieving for you they don't sound like a lot when we're talking about5 cents or 47 cents but currently that's about $7,500 a month in your current transactions year to date
that's about 40 or fiscal year to date is about $44,000 so far and since these deals have been in um put into flow you're saving almost $200,000 a year under natural gas or $200,000 since these have been put into place so it's pretty
significant savings they all add up so just asking for approval to participate in one more transaction the volume would be 104 decms a day just in the winter only for this trans action and then that gets you guys up to your 80% of your average daily
use there any questions on that how does that tie into the hedging thing we're no so this would be layer on top so hedging what that does is that helps lock in the price of gas and this discount gets added on top of that so they're pancak on top of each other so
you can lock in your price and then get your discount which is really the best way to lower your costs so you guys are you guys are like shiny star right now we wish all of our other cities would start following them what is the term we're
currently saying this the 30 years all of these transactions are 30 years so this would start 30 years and then that's a great question though because what we're finding is the discounts right now right now the Market's very favorable for these discounts and so we've actually the ones that have
already repriced for instance one of yours from 2019 has riced already we extended it another five years out and you got even better you got another 12C discount on top of it so we've been kind of rolling them because the discounts are so attractive right now so
what is like is the longest we have now a 30 year already okay that was second yes Hampton yes wood yes mayor Landry yes may C yes I like it thank you guys so much I'm
on my way live to do the same thing take care care 96b councel to discuss abandonment clause on partial 054 97- 500 and the council take any action mean
necessary understand it does but when they were doing the idle search whatever they're searching it came across this laws that the city can only abandon the alleyway when you do the abandonment process all the touch in land owners will get half
because the church will get a long half strip and then all those individual owners will get the other half of that LE can't I do have a statute I was trying to pull it up um basically and I will get you that
sent um basically that do you have the map I sent you the map just in case on my i s my email okay that was being described as an
alley which is what is a portion that the city owns They Don't Own It by Fe simple they own it as it was dedicated of a plot of land for Access they are so that long strip and it sort of took me to go out there and see I don't know if
anyone's familiar with Antioch is a little bit off the be pad the alley itself the the the I shouldn't call the portion okay
um yes so that that plot and I know the the property appraisers um is a little bit off you can't tell it exactly but what you can tell is that the back of the church is where that land goes through that we own
um if if I guess we can't use the word sell anymore um but if that properly became available to buy it we would not not be the only um we would not be the only parties participating um because
it's not own and Fe simple and it's dedicated plot of land that all the neighbors so I guess I think it's five in total would have um okay because we can't sell it if there was a goal to try to make it
available we would have to abandon the property and the neighboring plot owners would um have a right to a half of it yes we did it wow bad I think we've
always given notice you always have to give notice but it depends on how it's owned and and I have been looking at the sale that happened a short time ago that I wasn't really a part of but um
when the the title search people um and Jesse mango who's The Closer on this on behalf of coastal Coastal corporational Contracting Coastal Contracting who they hired um they're
the ones who brought up this that um it would have to if the city wanted to make it available it would have to be abandoned and we couldn't sell it so there's no benefit financially not that there was a great one um to the city which is my first thought but
also according to the closer who brought our attention um for every neighboring plot owner or property owner they would have to do and these B this cost would be born to whoever is trying to buy it after it's abandoned um they
would have to make contact with every property owner to see if they can buy it from the abandoned property and every plot owner would have to have a separate title search because if there's any mortgages on it that would
impact um that would impact their ability um to sell and they could all if we if the city took the action of abandoned it would um we would be possibly okay let me not deal with the
consequences so um it will be a harder task for the people who are interested in the property um but they can make that decision um but I don't see a particular if we can't get money from it um I don't see the financial interest in
um abandoning any property but if there was a goal just to try to get this land owner who has a a lease on it from a business owner who's trying to buy the land they literally be getting I wish if
you're all familiar there's a plot I wish I had a pointer is that point let's see how well I do um so here's the business or here's the business on the land owner who's interested in buying more property the
property that we own is between this area and the back of the church if you've ever driven over there this land right here that's not owned by the church they've been driving through this as one of the entrance ways to the church but that's their Bal um so the
prop property that they would get and this owner would get and this owner get this owner would get they have a right to a half of the alley I know there a church to get the South the whole South half yeah guess the church get the whole then the north half will break up amongst the property
owners property acoss the north side all transactions don't have to have a financial interest I understand that and that's yes sir you're right Financial well that we get it back on the tax rols too as small as an may be if we get it back
on the tax RS at least part of it right that's true that's true and because the because the big Juggernaut I guess that I was asked to look into was in fact would we not be able to sell this so the money and the sale is what I was
thinking of not the transaction itself so that that map's accurate I don't know how accurate the map is I mean it's not dead on that yeah nothing's going to be able drive through there what I'm seeing legally they wer
supposed to be able to do that but it's been there for decades um but going back they need all that so this property here which if you've ever driven over here um the closer I did inquire um as to if they were interested if this owner would
be interested in selling the land because um it would leave I guess a strip um that would go between those properties and apparently that owner is not interested in selling the whole lot so the transaction can take place we
would have to abandon this um and one idea because again when I was asked to look into it I was primarily looking into the the whole concept of abandoning the property versus selling um one idea was also if we if you wanted to you can
also abandon this section um so that was just one of the thoughts this section could be abandoned um but this may not be favorable for U what the coastal contractors want to do because
they would still have to like they would they have much less space of course but it would have only the church property so um but so what I just looked into was the whole abandonment process and then emotion to vacate process which includes
a lot of what we do anyway when it comes to having to give notice to um neighbors but um and I don't know if any utilities run through there according to the statute um that um there has to be and again there may be a quicker process
that's been used in the past um to not just make sure there's no utilities but that those utilities have no objection to abandoning now this is abandoning so and and all the people I've talked to um apparently um who've done this in recent
years has hasn't done an abandonment in this way so um it can be done we can abandon and um and John from what I understand the cost of any type of sech or title that's born on whoever
interested in paying for it um C pay for it you got seven land owners involved that we pay for land that were not getting paid for in order for them to get sales from this gentleman I
wouldn't even bother sell any don't you think option is to abandon it or tell the church to move off of it oh no no because the church actually is not on description church is not on the
same property the property of appraisers map is not totally accurate the way is looking right now like the church is on it but actually on the part that the city owns is right behind behind the church it's right behind the church the back part of it the back part of the
church I just mentioned that this land here that we have nothing to do with they've been driving that's all yeah for years I say we don't have anything to do with that so if we abandon this um without yeah if we abandon it then it
can um those things can be separated and and the coastal constr contractors can try to buy it from um the owners or or half of it since they've already agreed that the church can have theirs um those owners and we that
up is go to each of those property owners and see if they do or do not want that 20 ft or whatever it is if they don't they don't can def to then just follow through yeah well what
I'm sharing regarding them having to do searches on it is what the closing people that all that's born on I believe it should be born on the person buying the property nobody buy the property I'm sorry thank you no at this
point I'm talking about they'll be wanting to buy from the new owners we don't have anything to do with that unless we created some type of contract where those decisions have to be made and the title searches are done before we abandon the property so
my concern is if we abandon it and nobody wants it because you already said that he didn't really want just half what's available you want about whole thing and nobody wants it who's going to maintain it same people that maintain it
today maintain way I understood it didn't an option if they wanted or not once you do the abandonment process half of it goes to one half half of it goes to the other that's all it it goes to them I was saying nobody's buying thing for anybody okay I
think what what I'm explaining is say this is the half if he has already said the church can have their half right that's taken if he's still wanting the length of this alley he would have to get it from the new owners that's not what he
wants he just wants that she just want that piece you don't know you don't know know if there are new owners you don't know if those people that you're calling new owners even have an
interest in it chur the church want that in fact corporate I keep messing up the vendors who want us buy it they've already met with the church and they came at one of the meetings because they didn't know which meeting I guess was going to
address this to convey that they are happy with that but you're right I don't know anything but the question that um council member Landry has made is what I also just want to make sure you all knew is that if we abandon it those
people do have their half um we don't know if he's going to be able to use that now which area are y'all saying he wants because it's closer should a picture of this yes right right below where you got Mark box out right here right okay so that's why I mentioned if since
he doesn't want any of this if we abandon would it be wise just abandon this part that he wants the church will get this part Church on I think will get half of that whole alley out of the
gate it's abandoned they'll get that half the South half right what would be the what would be excuse my ignorance when the law what would be the problem just letting the land owners work it out amongst themselves that's also what
you then sir if it's not recorded somewhere as a deed or a transfer of property we get involved later and there's no clear delineation of what we can do and who's involved no what I mean is let them work it out and then make it leave good
idea in theory yeah okay that's you got to do find that right but H what what are you saying is once it's abandoned they're automatically going to become owners of the property of that
half and then if anybody else wants that property they have to work the sale out or transfer between themselves automatically they yes they got accept Okay then they have to accept work but then for them to know what they
own they'd have to have a survey M so it could be recorded and and the title search um and so that's a lot of money for 20 foot of land that they probably already
using well you got to think this maps for assessment purposes only it's not accurate as a survey so it's not while it's a representation of what it is it's not accurate basic going be seven it was going to be seven new or
changed yeah survey yeah so what I'm hearing you all say he wants this property underneath the Box directly underneath the Box yes and um and I know we're not opposed to the church having a half or the back of the
property either which was not at the original request the title search person was wondering would it be a a simpler process to abandon the actual portion that he desires and the church will get half of
that and he would get that and there's no other competing property people to deal with since and and so because I was told he was wanting to buy this whole property that's what I was looking at and that's what the Searcher is looking
at and the title owner so we're getting outside the church we're getting other property owners involved in something where they only want this portion but we can do that how wide is
that 30 20 I think it's 20t because if he gets half what I understand can measure that and I'm only going from closers notes um that that because he's giving the church
half it would end up being 10t down 9t property what end up with 18 20 it get surveyed who knows surveyor will when you look at he
wants it for parking right he has a lot of cars out on the highway at the picture the full picture that was up there a while ago you can see the size of a vehicle and it looks like he could get
all way across you get yeah there in there why don't we lease him what he wants probably wouldn't do it I don't know if he would do that or not why not I mean we're trying to clean up a
mess out member bran so with in your suggest question about just at least having a sense of what the property owners may or may not have rights to or want that we can maybe do that preliminarily before we start the abandonment process to see if there's there may not like you said be any fight
to have um so not fight because everyone's in agreement and you're G to get property why would you hate that um but maybe um do the survey just to see and also what I asked the the closer today is like um it I guess the owner's
name is Leon the coastal contractors have you gone over this with him does he understand with an abandonment process he may he may have to negotiate with other people not just the city or the church um she said yes and at the time it was like there was no response there
was no let's stop he just wanted to I guess figure out all the expenses and he's like I'll just wait and see what the city does um so um the thought of I guess with the abandonment issue coming before
that you know that would also be another way to see if there's any um to make sure that Coastal still wants less than what they thought that they would have to have less than what they thought they would have and if the
neighbors would be opposed to not opposed to getting the free property but would they get interested oh he doesn't need okay I don't think we should abandon any property that's not being needed by the
vendor but I understand that there they you know agreeable Minds that differ so if he only needs that section why couldn't we just aband in that section he'll get it for no cost to him he'll get half of it but does he
know that he can only get half of it does he know I understand only by hear say the closer said that she explained it to you and he still wants to I understand and I asked just even a few minutes before I came in that um he
did not say stop the process except to say I need to figure out what's going to happen because he will be unless we took on that cause he will be responsible for the closing cause for the other parties so he hasn't even figured out yet what
he can do so that's why um I think all those things are good and be helpful to survey to see if there'll be a issue and I was thinking he was going to be here today um but you know the the way responsible for the closing cost for
the other points if he's only buying that one section why would he because the the other ones aren't going to want it to put the effort in for 9 foot what the other ones aren't going to want to put the effort in for 9 foot land but if we only abandon that square
for him and the church gets half of that why would he be responsible for anything else only because I was told that we were um not no longer selling I guess but that he was getting that property
that the highlighted property I'm hearing that that's what the the agreement was and the cost that was given to him was based on that whole property even if you only need a portion of am I correct he was buying that
parcel yeah and he was going to donate the part that he didn't need back to the and that's before it no longer is a sell for us if that section is abandoned only the church would end up with half the church
could choose to sell him the other half if they wanted to after or gift if they wanted to that's up to them if it's abandoned then they would get it yep so the church and Mr are the ones that would make the decision on that church definitely getting that
South two issues with that I don't think you can cut this parcel based on our ldrs I don't think you can abandon just a partial part of it to aband whole thing well ask the pair parcel you could
huh could you know what if it added to the parent partial that it's attached to you could just BR re doing a survey for 10 more feet One Direction or the other break par up so many times already been
broken the abandoned the whole thing we don't get dollar one out of it but we don't have responsible half of it'll be back on the tax won't add much but yeah go back there a lot of it I guess they can clear it but are
trees except for that long so what action do we need to take on it if any at all or is this just information I can get with Jess or whoever see what it would cost to do the abandonment properly get the survey get
everything recorded correctly see what it cost the city just to do it and be done with it if we want go that rout or we just keep on holding on to it this this came up 2019 or 2020 this partiel anything I was looking at the minutes
the other day and we're sure utilities on Nots might be as there's noties there's no water there's no I don't know about any if you release that section to it with a CLA if the city needs it it'll take it
back it moves his stuff [Music] yeah we do that find it if he's got to move it back if we do that the first thing s do is put a fence up offence privacy
yeah so he knows how far he can can move and set back on the fence so what I hear is to see there's a number of questions I think majority right that this was part of because we we weren't aware of the abandonment
issue so you all and I think you talked about the different ways that can be dealt with to see if we can do a partial abandonment as well as I think it is smart to like see what the neighbors think but that's really
the coastal contractors concerned if any you said you can't conted the church did you contact anybody else because at the time the abandonment issue I was just made aware of on Friday so at the time um like the the park between the
church um it's not even clear who owns it I don't think they live here in Perry so no I have not talked to any of the owners primarily because the if they were to get that property the city would have no more say in their interest to
sell what they may have just acquired so I didn't only just that I talked to the closer um the one of the underwriting attorneys for the title search people um but mostly in the sense of Abandonment is there any way
around it is there any way once abandoned and we have some type of oversight like if you're not able to buy it then um it revert back to us or something but since it's an abandonment it really is an abandonment um and
so I've only talked to the people regarding the transaction for the city getting it to Coastal contract I might be wrong but I wouldn't think Leon want for n why you Le 18 anyway you you guys I guess you got
several question question to take back to them so just kind of figure out which direction we're going to go and we'll Circle back around mayares Circle back around this want to know more no more answers what do you
think J 96c public hearing and final reading for ordinance number 1049 convey real property Martin Marina Valencia Vador Properties LLC ordinance of the city ccil of the
city of Perry ter County Florida regarding Surplus lands conveying certain land and provide effective dat we haven't fallen in the same category with this we good go
ni that's one we just talking this is a public he anybody like to speak on this anybody from the public would like to speak on this issue he no want any more discussion on the board yesc
yes yes yes yes agenda it of 6 cancel to discuss reading partial 036 55-
z00 to the T County School Board and Council take any action name necessary second I did oh you did okay counc counc Hampton yes council member wood yes vice mayor Landry yes
mayor country yes like to know appr he approach us we approach him he all Bo yeah itm 6
e skip anything item 6 e Council to discuss cdbg Grant application and income survey Council will take any action deemed necessary that meeting I went to last week that was for the cdbg disaster
recovery that'll be open up what they say later this year or early next year that's the part I think it's 900 25 million 80% of it goes to 20 something different counties this one that's open right now
is for around 35 million we're going to try to go ahead and get a application in now start biting off that list little by little but this is I'm going to work with Andy the same one that got us the grant for downtown Street repaving he did a good job on that he's willing to
work with us again and I think we're going to ask for a fire station got other PL he's also helping us him and cir out y met Rachel and Mary Mary Gavin they've
been here a couple times they're helping us do an income survey that helps us get rid of some of the um matching and it helps our application in points okay if we meet the right criteria and I think we will we got to do about 100 random knocking on the door survey I got to get
you to sign some letter that they're doing something leg out there not just around asking question tell them send a text everybody'll be all right survey involves the people who you're locating the
fation anybody in the city anyone City fire serves everybody yeah I gave them the list of all of our residential in the city water accounts that's what they're build their list off of I got to draw 100 randomly I got to put them all on the map and make sure it's not
segmented out is anybody think it's random but if it's meets if it's low enough we'll meet the criteria that cdbg is looking for I gotta go f we're going to get that fire station yeah feel like everything's
kind of coming together I like it I won't get it before I retire you want your name on that I know I don't care about name on I just want to say it completed before I leave you see the fire department on the
new we did we did you want to see it on the screen thank you John yall watch it on your time didn't do nothing wrong no nobody did anything wrong nobody done nothing wrong with just it
was taking out of contest I didn't take it out of contest you said too much AR what did he say not to me are we done yes 6f MOA with Homeland Security for the
police department to participate in the 287g program and councel to take any action deem necessary motion to approve we don't we don't have a choice well I will say it like this I
want the minutes to reflect that Jamie Cruz is saying yes we need to participate and I want it in in the record I want it in the minutes that I'm saying we need to well do Jamie C rest of us okay the chief of
police James could you tell me how what all this is all this is is the ability for us to receive training for whoever we designate is going to participate in the program it's not every officer but it
could be if we chose to and it gives us the ability to process the paperwork of anyone we would run across normally in the scope of our work anyway so it's um just another way for us to speed up what we be normally doing anyway think she's
asking y'all we go knocking on do what she and if somebody's walking up see and I can't I can't say yes or no because what if it someone we're looking for and we pull and they match the strips walk down the street yes we're going to grab them but is it someone
that we're looking for is it someone that has a warrant is it someone that's committed a crime somewhere else yes we're going to do it then so there's not a there's not a a single answer to be profiling no ma'am profiling is not
that uh that is not profiling yeah profiling is something different just get my I think we have a motion council member BR yes counc member hampon yes
council member wood yes vice mayor Landry yes mayor C yes AG down6 G and 6h we found any anybody found anybody to serve on these pening boards talk several
people I got one I'm trying to get a hold too she hadn't called me back yet for the fire but keep looking 6 I happy it's on the record yes I am 6 I
approval of minutes amended February 25th 2025 regular session motion to approve thanks counc M yes counc member yes yes may yes
may city manager that would be have a chance to over this but I got three press here good to run through this what I handed the five people that were at laot of Commerce last week for
the Dr and joh what I saw was the only one that had prepared for them yeah it very nicely I thought that meeting was more about what we were looking for not just
a question and answer session turned into but I think that means really for Florida commerce to come and feel good about themselves I don't think it really gets anything done we got to get the applications in all the other C and we
will yep now CBG is usually one project at a time I don't know how they're going to do with all this kind of money coming you do she said you know because from the history of what we known about the CBG gr when she said I was like well how are we going to have all this going because it's always been where you can
only have one going at a time and it has to be done by certain time so scattered across everybody State yeah like that did you get uh what did you do about a grant manager weren't you going to look for somebody I'm working with
she was actually at the meeting um she's helping me put together an RFP of what we'd be looking for out of someone and then we'll get that out oh okay I got that back okay do you think it'll make a difference because it's Disaster
Recovery make a difference M right that right the question was can we have more than one CD I don't think I don't know if they know the answers to those questions yet they didn't because I
thought that was one of Ryan fford questions yeah they still think they G through this before either yeah there's no way exactly but the good thing about it she did say that Taylor County was one of
the top ones that they looking at giving funding to we got hit so hard been had three landfalls yeah I think there's 22 counties that 80% of that money has to be spent in I think 22 or 23 counties
and we're one of those 80% of 900 million a lot of I don't like the duall and Leon or two of those counties though no said you don't new fire station know about that one
all those repairs identified in the Wastewater Department remember it was 94 million really over 20 years it probably more like 120 million when you put inflation in there this was the phase one immediate needs we've already got that one through
a RI Grant and I hope they don't get mad at me I'm waiting till we get the rfqs back from the engineers how the new engineering firm before we get started on that yeah that was that last meeting what Sean was talking about off of Glen you say somebody the pipes and
stuff that they had to go yeah yeah I'm trying to knock off this list this is the one we asked for Appropriations we get that that'll be a good chunk two and a half million we still go it's a little more on the backg part to
me since the mail shut down and pity is pretty good but we still have a 1941 well it's not the best quality a new well and treatment plant that's a great picture for magazine C the cetch up he's about 10 or 15
pictures scattered out about that many nice it was in several newspapers around the whole state of Florida Florida Jesus turning water into mud when that report was I think it was
21 or two they had 99 fire hydrants 423 water valve that were poor fail Condition it's be a big chunk change replace all we couldn't we couldn't do it on our own no we have done three in
the past two or three months trying to get all the ab bestas concrete out of the system these are the four biggest that was the first RI we got was Jefferson Street it should be starting construction on that fairly soon storm water we had that Rift for
storm water planning and preparation I'm sure sure there'll be projects coming out of that but I can't tell you what they are just yet I know we'll need some funding to implement those projects rary pavement these are the three we asked F SC four that were denied also the same
three we've asked Appropriations for and this is the one that D did approve Park Street told thank you for giving us the 2.1 cdbg they did approve it
yeah old theater oh yeah that was gave them four of them that was the worst one they approved one of them these are kind of like dreams down here maybe it really aggravates me hard
facili look like clean up not yeah too far beyond that mean the concrete box are I think there's a old whale dead behind this one too that will probably need to be abandoned when we do this work but that's big
money County kind of runs this program course already but I wanted this in there our slide so we didn't get left out has ship program which applies to City residents something similar for businesses that are struggling too yep and I know y'all know right down 19 it
looks [Music] comparable this action plan with downtown strategies I'm sure there'll be sub Implement out of that need some money for and probably to throw the depot Ro in there too if appro
800,000 797 what it is going to be tricky to change I know you do it there's people that can they just know how but it's it's not cheap said if he did it he going to build a big big top over the
whole thing then do he said he probably touch it there's people that's all do as old buildings they just know how to do them that be careful that
thing I still don't want to be in the Le and Rental business but that this sh sit there look like that forever just my steps in yep I'll do it if we get Grand money for it only way and then I want get rid of
it all that total to 50 million which Ain that bad only 5 and a half% 9 good job good job so serious ni got Miss okay I'm gonna try to keep this
short but um it was advis that I make sure that not only city council knows but um if there's any direction you have different you can let me know last week um I shared that we had a court case coming up regarding an
a an incident that happened where the excavation crew close to the hotel um broke a gas line and not only did they break a gas line that had been hand dug up and I'm very you know boldly highlighted um they left and didn't come
back for two hours so they did not follow the emergency um I guess gas but there was a department yes so the gas was not available for several hours for the hotel um there was a do
person who um saw the transaction he got involved and called our office or called the city's office um and so because the notice I received and also what I was told and asked about it was an arraignment which is a criminal word
arraignment are criminal words to describe a criminal process to first get your accusation or indictment um I was was told like oh okay well we're the victims that's why I got this notice but I found out after the meeting I guess on that Thursday that this was actually a
civil citation filed by our code enforcement so the expectation is that we were either going to pay the state Pro when I say expectation the law says that we can pay the state attorney's office to Pro to prosecuted or the
responsibility is ours meaning the city of Perry um and so we had our Witnesses mostly there and um and was prepared to go forward in Prosecuting last Tuesday and I was asked both um if we wanted to
see if we can change the jurisdictional or change of tribunal who would hear it um and also I mean judge like has a city council is it their desire to go for it with this and I didn't even consider that only because I was made I didn't
even know that City had filed something like this until I got this notice and it was later explained so the reason why I was asked about um a different tribunal because we do have a quote enforcement um hearing person um who could hear it
um but um the our special magistrate um can hear a state a violation of a state code if we have a local ordinance that also violates so that person can hear it um even
though I've been talking to other um places and people like how can is there somewhere we can do it that it would have applied in this case or maybe we should just get it done so it applies down the road because I understand our code enforcement officer Mr Griffin I think he told me he already had 30 more
not not like this this is I know this different it's like about the signs the signs are up so I was like at least we can prepare in the future um because it'll be less cost for the County um or excuse me the city or and um the notice
that was given to the to the people about the arraignment um although is a civil citation they're not showing up still makes him open to a motion to compel like why didn't show up because then it can turn into a legal matter um
and so it may be beneficial to keep it there the highest fine that we can get for this is $2,500 if he pays the fine if he pays the fine and so I just wanted um to bring that forth for those reasons and including
that we may have some more in the future so in the future it may be good for me and John get together to have some type of ordinance where we just mimic the language of of I think it's 556 um the language of Florida statute
556 dealing with um these type of violations with non-criminal civil penalties um so we what the judge what I asked for were to be noted that the party did not show up um particularly
because of how dangerous apparently I mean I don't understand everything but I think everybody knows you leave gas unintended things can happen um and so the judge um just asked that we set it for a date in the future um and also because of not just what he said but
some of the things that were happening I was like let me check with the council or I called John before the hearing happened or after the hearing happened just to make it aware you all aware I was going to share with you anyway that it was a civil citation not a criminal
case which is what I understood it to be and that's what I shared the last meeting so that was incorrect what was your name sorry go ahead Mr BR what would we going to do next time there will be a next time right
what are we going to do then was this first li what we what are we going to do if it's a city doing it that's done it oh City getting into a mess you're saying the city is the Tor
Fe they're the ones who did it wrong the city no I'm just trying to understand I'm following you City could do it phone company could do it right the fire dep back and forth like we were at one time and they passed a law
about or something judge was like you make sure the council wants this he said in all now that he's been on the bench that long but I've spoken to special magistrates who do code enforcement where they could listen to State they know the ones I've talked to are only
that mediation judge Blan and all his time he never had a hearing on it if people file and they don't show up the fire department all these other agencies who can file s citations they often don't show up show up even if they did
not pay the fine what what gives them the authority to file this the Civil citation Florida state Florida state Florida statute 556
107 um that gives all these agencies opportunity I actually I meant to bring books because apparently um there's organizations that or an organization Sunshine 811 who's actually um they showed up to
to potentially be an expert only because so many I never I met no one who's ever prosecuted the Civil citation under this law I'm not saying it that doesn't happen but I've not met anyone who has actually completed I've met people who
who said they they it was filed but it was dismissed it wasn't heard so the lowest fine they can get if found um if found responsible which is just the cutting of the line is $500 but because
it was um left unattended and a utility the highest buying could be $2,500 or it maybe starts at 25 that's so so all that's that's not completely correct so when you're when you're digging it could if you're in the area
of of a hazardous material like natural gas it could the F Max is at 2500 they don't have to hit it to get a $2,500 fine they don't it just has to be in the area of a of natural gas or another another hazardous if you follow through with this and find
whoever you're talking about $2500 you better get you $2500 in your pocket because they're going to do the same thing to you whether it be the phone company electric or whoever it's going to be a back and forth issue
you're talking about that one time you're talking about if we make the mistake sure if that's what you're referring what you don't want to do is cut a fiber optic you don't have enough money to fix that the difference in this ,000 an hour
is they were the city went and spot dug for them and showed them where the gas line was and they continued to do it irregardless so P negligence happen anyway I understand what you're saying was this
a licensed contractor or not I heard it may not have been it was not a licensed contractor or at least we can't find proof of that so the state attorney's office could pursue under other circumstances and they just told me and who was they because there's several
actors they they they were happy to just get like to make sure that the city took care of it so I don't know if there's other um is it what's the department DPR get prosecuted that way refer to them as well for the contrac without a
license that's under their that's agency that does yeah right same people that we've contacted for Homeowner I mean repair fraud and everything else for the Hurricanes it's the same same gr understand this defendant what do we need to do at this point what we need
what do you need from what do you need from the council just well I I I think I wanted Clarity if the Council was um well two things I guess no one thing because I've gotten the answer for the other is um would you want to would you
want the city to continue and it's still considered prosecution civil to prosecute this case I just wanted to make you aware just because of the fine itself and I said I think I said up to $2,500 but um it may cost us more than 25 that's
what I was getting at I think with dppr no they're not going to take into account the fact he hit that that's a totally SE they're going to go the contract without a license this basically what we're telling people is if you come in the city and you hit
dangerous lines and you don't follow the processes properly you're going to get fined so don't come here and do it if we don't do something with this it's going to tell everybody else come and do what you want in the city city pay for it well the G the Garrett's point or I think it's Garrett's point about I
interested more the negligence of leaving the gas blowing if it had not been for the do employee we would say how much gas we lose understand there's no exact way
probate how much how much gas do we lose I mean we had a potential I don't remember mean that's not criminal negligence that well we buil the buil the apartment comp they did pay that
they could have just paid this fine sued fine and not shown up they didn't show up they haven't been responsive and apparently that particular contractor has had at least one other lawsuit against them that they have not paid or so I just the comment that was
made by the operator is that we have insurance we're gonna do it when he came back to hours later yes so we they just blow a gas La walk off everything's cool we don't need to set
that preference what' you say so sorry I said they blow a gas line and walk off and everything's cool I'm not good with that but I do but I do understand the financial issues with it as well do we know who the perpetrator is yes yes
Stephen George and the law provides if you um serve any of the workers of that that employer that you have been served and I do know Mr George knows knew about the hearing because he called the
clerk's office this mess Road potentially could for not appearing as with proper notice but we'd have to continue this process and it may be it may be worth just that while we look at if there are
going to be other citations to go ahead and do an ordinance a local ordinance just reflects that but we we may have one already for the signs I'm not sure because he hasn't given me those but um and so um and I
guess also judge blue having been to the attorney like you make sure the council understands and then they're okay with proceeding this way so I don't think it's going to be enormous it won't be you know it's not in Ron but if he's not
being responsive to um the circuit or the county court I don't know how responsible be to a magistrate um and I just wanted to make sure that whatever Direction I take is what you all want to do and I guess even as um council member
B said that because so many agencies can give civil citations um one thing I did think about it become sort of like we have to be equally responsible if it apparently no harm no foul people don't show up but I didn't care about that I just wanted to make sure that everybody
was okay for me to complete that process so what is down now to is um I have not given a date but we have a hearing date available um and I did tell the judge I will look into another tribunal all these other things that have come to sort of ends that it would need to be
completed in that process and if the if the council was fine with me completing that process I'm just trying to understand how you can dig up a main gas line and leave it blowing and not wind up in the back of a police car and do you know that person who actually I really don't I really I'm having a real
I'm having a hard time getting through that this we work within the confines of the statutes what we did Now understand just so this F is only for hazardous material pipelines it's not if somebody who was at a fiber optic line you're going to pay for those repairs but you're not going to get fined or
potential F of that you're not going to get it for phone lines you know how many hundreds of thousands of dollars it will cost you get a f oh yes I know hundreds thousand build by the hour yeah because they got a reconnect every Strand and
while it's not working you got to pay for lost time L specifically for hases material pipelines not anything else one issue I got is they knew it was there and they continue
digging yeah after even after they've been shown where it was they continue digging it saying saying that's what we got insurance for why allowed them to not after they hit it they knew where
this the gas department spotted the line for hand dug it showed them where it was they didn't have a spotter in place the way they should have to make sure with the equipment they weren't going to hit it um so they even after they were told where the line was they they they dug
and hit it even after they were shown where it was at then take off nobody from the city there if we had someone at every job where someone was digging we need probably another 30 40 [Music] employees people digging everywhere the
amount of locates we do on a daily basis we do probably 40 if we' located we we do 40 to 50 Lo somewhere else what do we do this may also be that
they spotted the line and showed them and said hey we're going to get to it later and never called back said they were going to commence with digging too I don't know I wasn't there you got think there's an alternative it is that they may have spotted it for and said hey here it is with the understanding they may be having to call us later
we're going to go to digging but they did you got to consider that too if their if their comment was that's why we have insurance they're going to follow into well I their response to such a dangerous
situation what prompted they did but also understand following the law how much is this going to cost us to go forward with it question is is it going to be worth it are we set a proed or we what I don't think it's going to be like humongous like 10,000 but it may end up
being at least 2500 the the cost of the fine then we may not even be able to collect so that's why I was looking at seeing how we can get it to um or live
different reasons the special mag um but so we're preved magistr can only final $500 at this point well the citation that was mentioned was State L that we don't have a local so in any situation unless there's
an exception adoption of State statutes the maximum the magistrate can impose US $500 according to our law and ordinances oh yeah and the lean will get definitely bigger I think we should but I was
focusing on I don't think we should was focusing on that so any change of any change of tribunal would be our next citation it would not impact us so we do have the right um so it may not be a
problem at all but I definitely wanted I did share it with John and I and I wanted to share it with the council what would be the pleasure in the councel Let It Go or move forward with do something about it for is going
to cost you more than well how do you just ignore it Bill and wait for the next one and it might not they might not find it if if you're willing to spend the money so so in the week like a couple week a couple weeks before this happened
they busted the main waterline on the other side of road twice the same crew the same people see it just goes on and on I don't know if they're work the same contractor but I know the the guy who was there who his action the employee
who got the notice he's still working out there he may be under another contractor because the hotel is different contractors um but at the time was he contracted when it happened yeah he was working for Stephen George Ste
George wasn't the person out there name was Chris were they were un LIC as well so sorry were they un licensed as well I don't don't know about the workers but the boring contract but the contract all this was unlicensed all this to the
other can't you tax something on to it for being unlicensed or don't we have an ordinance already for that's when we refer them to The Regulators for licensing which is Department of Business and profession regulation we just refer them we don't
penalize them we we don't the state can do that state can or not that's up to them whatever that's just for the Contracting with a license provision and here's something people that hire a license contractors what about
that you know if they say they're licensed contractors they or they're not and the person contract them for the work thinks that they are that should be you know that's something falls on the business professional regation well if
they report that they are licensed and they're not and that's fraudulent that's that's from contractor fraud too and that's totally something different that falls under that potentially we could charge that is a felony um in certain situations but because this isn't during the time of a
disaster or result of a disaster we can't do that that's what we got to move it up but it could have been it could oh yeah but without that declaration you know we have have
forfeiture laws in Florida that says if someone uses something to commit a crime and the most common one is the trafficking and drugs um that we can seize and forfeit
property the goal of that is not to make money the goal is that is prevent people use those things to further that crime right sometimes we lose money on a forfeiture oftentimes lose money on a for picture but we're removing what they're using to commit the CRI this is
similar to this while we may break even on the amount of money it takes to take care of this we're showing them that we are not going to let you do this and my concern is that is we're going to tell people all you do what you want we're not going to do anything about it we
just be ex and my motto is break reward the good punish the bad this was bad but you know this is a council decision I know you're listening to my opinion and I appreciate that um so you've got a decision y'all have to make collectively
as the council but that's just my opinion on it well it sounds to me like we need to come up with an ordinance first to protect us from anything in the future I would unless we have one
already it won't it won't deal with the current case but in the future it could which could save house um and yes so I would say second I just and you know I even in talking and looking
at the law would have had every right to go forth but I told you that it was a crime not a civil forfeiture and so to move forward knowing how different it could be including how unresponsive defendent is I didn't want to go forward rightfully and then later you all hear
something that that like wait a minute we would have never done that that was a waste of money or however you wanted to deal with it how much City money have city of money city of fa have evolved how much money does the city of Perry have involved in
repairing these mess ups it just depends now they did pay for the gas I'm talking about I'm talking about I'm talking about the gas line itself I'm talking about the water line itself the people took the fix it I mean how how much money do we have to add up
in it not even losing not even losing the product just repair the Mater the P just that specific one Le talk no talking about this this contractor unlicensed contractor done the water and the gas and I don't know how much the
water just the gas line we can fix probably $1,500 1500 so the city has paid that much already for that that's just the materials yeah that's not labor that's
just the parts so we might be 10 grand into this mess up they've done that they're not going to pay for for all the damages they've caused all around it's not just gas but everything right have they been disbarred from working in the
city they didn't have I didn't inquire as to that so I don't know I could if we find out that that same contractor is still here we could put a stock work order on and we can do that we can follow up with that I didn't know that they were that someone I'm not saying
that one guy was of Sten George is still working here the person who was a part of his team is still working or was still working as of two weeks ago at at the a hotel and secondly the comment that what's what we have insurance for
if they're not licensed their insurance probably any good they me my wild guess but you said they paid for the gas the uh so they didn't the boing company didn't but the apartment complex
whatever Apartments we build them for for the building for it but has it been paid according to officer Griffin who I think is um he had that they did and he said they mean
the contractor did pay for the damage there was no conversation about um an insurance insur doing or not but that he did pay um that they did pay for the the damage that was done they did pay for it
at least that's something they did like how much did not study said it was like over 3,000 he said 30 something um by way of like maybe $3,500 I don't know that was for the gas line you said for the damage I'm
confused thoroughly confused right now the person that can answer the question is not here Dian why we come back around to this can we get some kind of synopsis of what happened how what's been paid what hasn't they paid for the the apartment
complex paid for the bill the repair they did all the boarding company has not paid for the F of digging around a hazardous material in bus so as far as finances go the city's been made L for the repairs just
materials not the labor not the labor they' been should send him another bill they been bill for the labor I believe we did include labor on that I believe well I can get more information and bring it back and just go ahead with
the My Hope Is that he can possibly get um brought in for contempt for not showing up I think we should stop work if he doesn't you don't want me to do anything till we get that answer I can do that too all the witnesses are probably to
still be available if he doesn't show the Civil hearing he could be a default judgment too as well no not for civil citation not on citation but he could it could become a crime hear and he doesn't show up then we can
get a default so but if he doesn't show money all right so we're so we're gonna Circle back around yes I just want to make sure I'm GNA answer your questions you want the cost of the total repair and all in all in everything that
we're out and who paid oh all of all the cost water sewer gas any possible thing workers anything or that location and who made the pain correct just all of it if
possible I'm sure there was some overtime involved and especially they took off for two hours and to include the time we spent traffic control too yeah exactly and the hotel was out of
gas for that time just the hotel all right you have now yes for now okay anything um we tried two times in the
past to get bids for the building in our compound we got no bids on them we got a quote from a local vendor for 177,000 um John got it pulling it up um that's the only thing we've gotten is a quote um it's in line with what the city
paid for similar size building at another location just need the 165 so it's pretty close what is this for the a storage building for the police storage building
yes that's going it's got a concrete slab we got a slab already place that's that no addition I was just I was worried about I was thinking about it yeah flying away and that's slab is yeah
well more heavier Duty than what we would need it's it's back from years ago it's probably Lord 17 much 17 607 scen it's okay in that storage building what will be all kept in your vehicles or
Just Tires Tires um this misscellaneous if we needed to process a vehicle for evidence we' pull it inside to do that now we're having to put it as an offside storage location and we get build per day for that oh go um and would and we
spent recently $800 for three days to do that so yeah just couldn't get vids from anybody this is a local bid it's the bullpen they do the buildings through them need the council to say yes we can
ocean bu yes I don't have my thing all written now wood counc wood council member Hampton yes vice mayor Landry yes mayor cater
yes R good anything on the splash pads they should be we'll have them ready this year I'm working on what bathrooms which on the bathrooms at well he's not getting the doors ready
evidently I hav got a call back he said he have him by try and get into he said after the hurricane he got way behind but I'm just I'm to the point I'm just going to open him up and then we're going to try and keep him clean as we can it's like we've been
keep my new guys been keeping the bathrooms in really good shape so I think maybe having a new guy there you can keep up with it but the keep unlocked I don't know we're gonna gonna fix everything in
there the best we can keep it clean we still keeping them open 24 they're bed up I know they are what about the Lock Bridge and we were keeping the bathroom they open okay
say again yes ma'am um the gr Apartments I know they're open now and and everything you maybe the next comes to
me the next let us know what type of Rue use that we can water and gas just [Music]
water they don't have one building R out now is one building which is never I think six or eight Apartments have anyone been
there fin walk inspection for that one building I [Music] say they done a good job at covering up all their stuff finished product looks pretty good
but I just know what's behind them exactly that's my [Music] problem I didn't what's behind the Sheep Rob Yeahs and all that stuff is half
rotten and been wet yeah those storms we had coming too long I just had one thing for but Chief there two of sure one want to answer the question take your choice I answer all four
questions um the bacer property Church Street night and behind restaurant or one no the bacon okay and the apartments
property in 19 it is pled with trash um whatever you name it needs to be I would relay that to Daniel thank you I thought it was C well if we catch them throwing it down
we can get them and most of that going to be people passing my to stuff out on the road and that's all over if we can if we can see that it's if we can tie that to somebody then we'll do something what we can but
those make property is responsible right yeah we can find find them we have a lot of aente property owners there's people all over the world it seems like own property now it's
local is it thank you okay [Music] the only thing I want to say is that next I may not be at the next meeting um for Lega City's has some things going on in
Tass John would you be so kind as to make sure the rest yes that in it's for the legislative action dat yes fall at the same time as our
meeting anyway it's like 3 days I was hoping I receiv an email okay I didn't I think some of us did some of us didn't kind of H it's 24th Fifth and six there's different things on different days I think it's kind of
yeah we're lucky the fact we live right now the road we got command stay up three days or whatever anyway thank you very much