I got to go back to and record forever. I'm going to say I need to hit record. to the left July 14, 2026 city council meeting in order. Pastor D going to lead us in
prayer followed by the pledge of allegiance. Thank country. Thank our be. Thank God for wisdom and knowledge and understanding to be able to do the job that need to be done in this city and the county in this for the
state of the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you all for being here tonight.
>> Brian >> here. Council member Hampton >> here. Council member Vice Mayor Landry >> here. Mayor Kendrick >> here. Item number three, approval of items on the Senate agenda. Approval read by title only resolution
2026-24 resolution 2026-25 ordinance 1060 and ordinance 1061 do I have a motion B >> yes >> yes
item number four receive request from the general public. Is there anyone here who wants to speak on anything that is not on the agenda? Please come forward. >> Hello. >> My name is Ernest Mitchell,
1218 North Park Street, Mary, Florida, 323. Um, I am here tonight as vice president of the Taylor County Leadership Council as well as a lifelong resident and taxpayer of Perry. It saddens me to deeply have to stand before this council
again under these circumstances. My frustration with our current administration runs incredibly deep and it is time for accountability. While I attend these meetings regularly to stay informed, the last time I stood at this podium on behalf of the
Leadership Council was back in 2018 that this council voted to approve a $5,000 donation for our demolition and renovation efforts. As many of you remember, those getting as many of you remember getting those approved funds
appropriated faced immense opposition. Immediately following the difficult chapter, the city council voted to completely cut all financial funding to all nonprofit organizations. However, I am not here today to open old
rules. But recent actions taken by our current city manager, John, at the June 30th school board meeting have forced me to break my sides. During that meeting, Mr. Hart chose to lobby the school board against putting a historical deed
restriction on the old rock building, a structure that once proudly served our community as an elementary school. To support his argument, he instructed the board to pull up photos in which he provided stating verbatim, "You don't
have to go very far to see what happens when we save a building with sentiment rather than common sense a permanent deed restriction on the rock building repeating this same mistake already made." At that exact moment, the images
flashed on the screen. They were pictures of the unused unused portion of the Jerkens Community Center. The historic Jerkens School, an historical site that is listed in the Florida Black Heritage Trail Guide published by the
Florida Department of State Division of Historical Resources, the Florida Network of African-American History Museums, the Florida Division of Historical Resources Archives, and the National Trust for Historic Preservation. The only mistake made that day was by
the city manager himself who illegally trespassed onto our property to capture photos for a deceptive gotcha moment to fuel his own agenda. For a current city manager to stand before a public body, point at a privatelyowned functioning
black community center and claim his preservation was a mistake is a disgrace and overreach of his authority and a direct insult of the African-American community. Let me correct the record. Jerkin High School was a sanctuary under Jim Crow.
Today, as a Jerkens Community Center, it is a living, breathing bridge for our future. Jerkens was the very first location to host a Head Start program in the city of Perry. And right now, it continues to serve as an active hosting land site for that vital program. For
years, visited as our local boys and girls club. It historically hosted one of the largest spring carnivals in this city's history. Just three years ago, it was the proud home of the Jerks Leadership Academy and housed an active community media center equipped with
more than 11 Apple computers. Today, we are proud to serve as a hosting site on the Toys for Tots for the third consecutive year. And we recently installed a community garden known as the Jurgens Community St. Copa Garden. An achievement so impactful an entire
article was written about it in the local newspaper. When our community hurts, Jerkens is there to heal it. After the devastating devastating closure to the local meal, we even came before this very council to assist the local food truck owner offering them
land opportunities on our site to help ease their financial constraints. Furthermore, before the devastating construction destruction of hurricanes and Helen, the leadership council had completed more than $100,000 in renovations to this facility through
private philanthropic donations and out of our own determination. It remains a lifeline that provides affordable rental space for grassroot nonprofits, birthdays, anniversary of the most sacredly marine families repass and continues to serve as precinct 13 of the
countyy's largest voting district and it draws tourists and visitors to Perry directly contributing to our city's financial stability. So my question is, how does a city manager paid by the taxpayers remain so
utterly blind to what is actually happening in his own community? How do you look at a building and claim it is inoperable or unusable when the outside lights remain on 24 hours a day? To stand before a public board and assume
this center is not in use is totally absurd. Mr. heart stood before the school board and claimed he was speaking merely as a concerned citizen. But his action his actions screamed otherwise. It seems to me that he is actively working in cahoots with the school
superintendent to fasttrack a sale pave the way for private developers and circumvent the legalities of historical preservation so the old rock building can be demolished. If his defense is that he is looking to provide lowincome housing to the community, he is not aware that there is
active construction for affordable homes already taking place right behind the Chevrolet dealership. Those affordable homes will serve our lowincome and working residents, our teachers, our nurses, and our local professionals. Though those homes are being constructed
with a minimum of four bedrooms, twocar garages, and a neighborhood clubhouse. We do not need to demolish our history under the guise of progress and real development is already happening. It should be the primary goal of a city manager to secure, maintain, and protect
our city buildings and parks. Yet, Mr. Hart has shown a glaring offensive pattern of selective oversight. If he wants to take pictures of neglect, he doesn't need to commit a felony and trespass on our property. He can look at
the property the s the city actually owns. Let's look at the blatant disparities in how our parks are managed on our side of town. The city owned Loftbridge Community Center located in the heart of the African-American community is in a state of desperate spare.
At one point, there was no active power on the entire left side of the building. It suffers from filthy restrooms and complete last lack of basic cleaning supplies or toilet tissue. One community member stated on Facebook she was making
mud puddles when she tried to mop it up. Another community member stated the walls and floor needs to be pressure washed. So the so do the tables and chairs at the Gerald Walker Park or as many of us call it Jerkens Park. The splash pad had so much standing water at
one point that our children were trying to swim in it like it was a pool. Residents have continuously complained that the water at the Jerkens Park splash pad runs significantly hotter than the water at the city's main splash pad. Furthermore, when we use Lock Ridge
Park for the Mayday kickball, and I want to say thank you, the Mayday kickball game, players literally had to pick briars out of the softball field by hand because of the absolute derivation of our public field. Why didn't Mr. Hart
capture photos of that? Why didn't he display the dozens of probably owned empty crumbling buildings all over Perry before and after the storms? He didn't bother visiting the old Glattis Moore school where the back portions are heavily dilapidated. He
didn't even bother to take pictures of the inside or outside of the old rock building to make his actual argument. Instead, he targeted Jerkens. You do not need to turn you do not get you do not get to turn off your title as city
manager when it is convened for you to dismantle our community's history. For a city manager to use a backdoor alliance with the school administration to clear land for developers while ignoring the infrastructure failures, the hot water, the standing water, and the filth and
city profits he is paid to manage. Forces us to question his true motives, his competence, and his ethics. I know I have consumed my time, but this information had to be laid before the city. Mr. Hart is not present tonight, but I could no longer wait to address
these urgent concerns. I expect this council to hold him accountable. We want our city buildings repaired. We want our parks and splash paths equally and properly maintained. and I look forward to reading his written rationale as to why he felt the need to desecrate the
legacy of Jurgens to score points for private developers. I must say that my heart was very broken that someone could walk onto private property to try and prove a point that had nothing to do with the school board
or any other parts of this community. The last time I came here, we were given $5,000. The board did not want to give us the $5,000. We had never come before the city and asked for anything. Thank you for the money that you did
appropriate at that time because we did demolish that portion of the that was in the classroom, some walls that need to come down. We were able to put in new flooring and put in like I stated 11 Apple computers and it was a functioning media center until Hurricane Helen came
and destroyed our roof. So for someone there are portions that once again because of the hurricane funding does not run like water to our community. So yes we do have some areas that once we did clean it was perfect. I even showed him pictures that clearly showed we had
taken care of those areas, but due to the storms and due to lack of resources in his community, we are still hurting. But for a city manager to cross the line and walk on private property, I have a very big problem with that because I, as
a regular citizen, as he stated, could not go to one of your homes or to one of your private businesses and take photos and display it across the school board. That is a disrespect to us, to an organization that's been around since 1993, to a school that was built in
1951, to a school that has suffered so much in this community. And now it is functioning and it's still functioning. We are still open. And to say that it's unused, that was a slap in the face. and for him as a city manager not to know what's going on in the community. I pray that
you take this time and really review his work as I know that that process is coming forward because once again I do attend the meetings. I pray that you all really really look to what to have as a city manager rather than operating in this community.
>> Thank you. Thank you for sharing that with us. And I just want to say I'm I'm really sorry it happened. >> That's all I could offer at this point. >> I greatly appreciate that. I really do. Thank you. >> You will come back for us, right? Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you. Does anyone else have anything that is not on the agenda? Hearing see move on to five RQs. Do we have any articles at this point? Okay.
>> All right. General business item 6A council to discuss DW620 supplemental appropriation for hurricane Seline and Milton agreement. Council will take any action deemed necessary. This is
a lot of these are requirements to be able to get the money. Now, if you will look at item 6A,
this funding supports a new water well and water main replacements. Now, read the next sentence contingent upon funding availability.
So we can we've been saying if you got all this you typically there's no money but there is now >> there is now. So, this provides funding for $300,000 for the planning fees and the amount is
fully given. Um, even though it does note repayment obligation when you look at the terms, it's 100% um actually covered and so there should not be or not should not be there will be no city obligation to provide $300,000.
um it is a part of the standard state revolving fund um funding that we've had gotten in the past. Um but now um as you see with all these contracts including ADORA as the engineering partner that you'll be reviewing tonight to to decide
whether to agree to move forward um there are hasten then greater because now we're dealing with a lot more money and a lot more opportunities. So this particular one, the first one, DW620290, the supplemental appropriation for hurricanes.
>> Madam Madam attorney, I don't know how you got cracked up, but >> Well, you you I guess you you gestured to >> I apologize. Well, I don't apologize for giving the truth, but I thought you gestured. >> Uh do we have we got the cash coming?
>> Yes, sir. >> We know we do. >> Yes. Yes. That's what we have engineer back there that's know all about this. >> You'd like to speak on that please.
>> So thank you mayor and thank you council member. So uh this is actually the u hurricane funding that was allotted to you. So this in two phases one will be planning where we actually going to tell
them what where we going to get the plans and everything else and then once they approve that they release the rest of the funds to do the construction. It's a reimbursement rate. So as you spend the money you send them the bill and get paid. So it's $34 million in
total. 300 is for the planning. >> 34 million for water. >> Yes. wall. So this is can be used for many multitude of the projects. So we'll be
starting those. >> There's more one more coming later on. That's what they so all you need to do is uh have the mayor sign it give approval from mayor to sign the contract >> is the
so the next so this is just the water >> yes and then there is another contract to come for sewer from SR Next. >> Next. But the next item on the agenda is 1:00.
Any more discussion? I'll add 68. If not, I'll enterain I'll enterain motion 6 motion. We have a second. >> Yes. >> Counc. >> Yes. Council with council member five
mayor Landry. >> Yes. >> Mayor >> yes. >> Yeah. 96 D. Council to discuss engineering contract for commissioning 032 grant wastewater treatment facility bigwoods handling improvements. Council will take any action necessary.
Motion motion. Second. >> Okay. So the next you want me to discuss all three together. >> Okay. So item B, C and D. The city
actually received CPG PR fund and those are simple water wastewater treatment plant. One to do improvements at the wastewater treatment plant. Another one you do not have any bioolid facility to handle the solid that generated at the
facility. So that's to do that. And then for the existing well uh which the city has been using and has more treatment it will provide the treatment for that. The funding has been given to you without
powers and this is the contract start the work without that you can't >> and they say no matter >> 25 so there is 12 for waste water improvement and clean approximately
eight for the solids and a four and you'll be able to start want to have a new >> Yes, that's already great. >> So, this is for our contract. This went
through a selection process and we were motion. Yes. >> Council Hampton. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes. >> Her. >> Yes. Agenda item 6 C. Council to discuss engineering contract for MS3
grant wastewater treatment facility silence handling improvements. Council to take any action necessary. >> Motion. We have a second. >> Yes. I just wanted to make sure that everyone understood what was going on.
>> Does anybody from the public have anything to address on these any good? Thank you. Motion a second. >> Counc. >> Yes. >> Council member Hampton. >> Yes. >> Mayor Landry. >> Yes. >> Mayor Ker.
>> Yes. Agenda item 6D to discuss engineering contract for MS034 grant drinking water plant rehabilitation. Council will take any action name necessary.
Motion to sign. >> Yes. >> Council Hampton. >> Yes. >> Landry. >> Yes. >> Mayor H. >> Yes. Thank you sir. Agenda item 6E council to discuss cameras and council to take any action
deemed necessary. >> Mr. Mayor, we have representative from block here tonight. This is Jaylen Johnson. He has a presentation. >> Okay. Very good. >> Good evening, council mayor back. Um, as chief said, my name is Jaylen Johnson.
I'm a public affairs manager uh at Flock Safety. Um, I have a quick probably 10 uh 10 slides for you all to kind of answer a lot of questions about who we are, what we do, and what we do not do. Um, and then I'll open it up at the end.
So, Block Safety, we are an American public safety technology company founded in 2017 in the city of Atlanta, Georgia. And we were founded by our CEO who was a Georgia Tech engineer graduate who had an uptick of crime that occurred in his
neighborhood. Um, go back. Go ahead. Had an uptick of crime that occurred in his neighborhood. They decided that they wanted to come together and create a license plate reader that would help police with objective evidence to solve crimes more effectively.
So today we have over 12,000 customers. We're we operate in 49 out of 50 states. Alaska is the only hold out right now. Um, we are proudly helping law enforcement solve over 2,800 crimes a day using our techn.
We have 1500 businesses that are currently protected by flock as well. So, what we believe is that we are a collaborative policing technology. We don't do the work that police officers uh proudly do each and every day. We are a tool that is a force multiplier for
law enforcement agencies all across the country. Now, what I like to start by saying is the one thing we all can agree on is that everyone deserves to feel safe. And that's what we pride ourselves on at at lock each and every day. This slide right here is just an example
of what a real time alert would look like. So, we understand that those Amber alerts we have missing children or those silver alerts, we have missing older adults. These are critical uh moments where every and this is what an officer would see on their interface. Uh of course these
things are multiffactor authenticated. So it's not like anybody can have access to it. These officers are trained um and and they have their devices and they can get those real-time alerts to where they can u effectively use that evidence to help bring missing children back home.
>> Excuse me. some of that information where you see it on the screen if you're on the interstate and they'll flash up a silver alert or amber alert or whatever and and they list the car and the license plate derived from the
information. >> No, so we don't we don't create those alerts. Those are those are state and local uh law enforcement agencies that will create those alerts. But we're just a system to where like if a license plate is connected to a missing child, if one of our cameras get a hit on that
license plate, um it'll then be sent to the law enforcement agency to kind of match and say, "Hey, we just saw this vehicle at this location at this time." So, we we don't generate the alerts. We don't we don't create Amber alerts. Those are separate hotlets, separate law enforcement databases.
This slot right here just kind of shows what we're viewing when we are uh capturing those point in time images. So there's a lot of misconceptions about automatic license plate readers and what they do. An automatic license plate readers is
taking a point in time image of the back of a vehicle and a public government document from a public roadway. So this is as simple as something that any of us can go outside and do with our iPhone. any of us can go and stand in the middle of the road and take pictures of the back of cars with our phones. Our cameras are not taking pictures of
people. We're not taking pictures of faces. We don't do facial recognition. We don't even know who's driving the car. We are simply taking the picture of the back of a vehicle and a light display which will help provide that objective evidence, that point in time moment to where law enforcement can use
that tool to be more effective at solving crime. Because old school policing was you be on the lookout, right? you send out officers and you look for every vehicle that that fits that description. Well, that's the old way of doing it. Now, we can be more precise. We can be more effective and we
can hone in um a lot quicker to bring more missing children home to solve more violent crimes uh to assist the police departments in that regard. So, it's only collected the vehicle's made, the body type, color, there's any identifiable feature like a roof rack or a bike rack or anything like that that
can help literally pinpoint the vehicle that that uh law enforcement is looking for. >> Are you taking pictures of every vehicle that goes by or just want you to hit some? >> So, that's a good question. It's taking picture of every license plate on that public roadway. However, the data is
only retained for 30 days. So, uh, we believe at Flock that 30 days is a healthy number for those images to be stored in the cloud. And if the vehicle's never if the vehicle's never a vehicle of interest or it's not connected to a crime or a missing child or a missing older adult, the vehicle
would never be alerted and notified to law enforcement, you just carry on with your day-to-day like you do on any other public roadway. But if that vehicle is connected to a a murder or or a missing child, it's going to be flagged and law enforcement is going to know uh what direction uh that vehicle is headed in.
That's how it works. >> Thank you. >> This is just a fancy slide to say that the cameras work at night. We understand that private doesn't sleep and so neither do our cameras. Thanks. >> This is probably my my favorite slide. Um because you know being a mature and a
a a responsible private company that that assists law enforcement with with public safety technology, it's important for people to understand that we literally build our products with privacy in mind. And so the data uh is 100% owned by the customer which is you
all. The city owns the data 100%. We have no access to it. No one can come to us and ask us to release something to them or to give us give them a back door into your systems. Your administrator controls your data. What do we mean by data? Let's go back to what we were
talking about on the original slide. It's simply a picture of the back of a car of a public government document from a public roadway. We don't have access to PII, personal identifiable information. We don't have access to any sieges, criminal justice, uh, you know,
data and information that only law enforcement officers are privy to, right? So again, you take a picture of the back of that car. Police still have to do the job of police. They still have to verify that plate, that human element is still there. And then they run that plate in their criminal justice systems
to then find out who you are, what's your, you know, address and all that private information. We don't have access to any of that. uh private customers do not have access to any government data or outlets. So what do I mean by that? We we also have like HOAs and different community groups
are able to utilize our products but they don't have access to the same database system that law enforcement agencies are privy to. Again just out of curiosity what would the HOA be >> what would they be?
>> So that's a great question. So in fact we actually started when we when FL was first founded and first created we actually our first customers our first um products were used in HOAs and community groups. That's how we started. Law enforcement weren't our first customers. It was community groups who basically wanted those cameras at the
entrance and exits of their neighborhoods because they saw people breaking their cars and crime were happening. Well, they were able to collect those the license plates using those cameras and then they could turn over those images to law enforcement who then could act on that objective information. So, they're not it's it's
simply it's just a camera. That's all. And so, they would turn over those images to law enforcement and then law enforcement could thumb through them appropriately and and kind of narrow down how many times this is carbon in the neighborhood and and investigatory work. So, again, we're not taking any of the police work out of policing. The police still have to do their job. We're
just giving them a tool like another tool to help them to help them and assist them in their their role more, you know, efficiently. It helps them do the job quicker. It's not the old way of policing. It's more uh technological, a new way of policing.
Um again, our license plate readers are only taking images of publicly available information. Um only your agency decides who to share with, not Flock. Again, there's no backdoor access. There's no flock person telling who Perry shares with your community, your agency decides
who you want to share with. If you only only want to share with adjacent counties and adjacent agencies, that's your prerogative. If you only want to share within the state of Florida, it's your prerogative and vice versa. You want to share with any federal agencies, for example, that's your prerogative. We've made it extremely clear that we
have nothing to do with that because we understand that community safety u uh community values do not have to come at the expense of community safety. Those two things can and should exist at the same time and it is up to you all to decide who you share with. Again, no facial recognition. And if you look on
the right side, all of our data is to encrypted. Um every certification at the federal level that you can think of, all of the the fancy three-letter agencies, we're FBI seizure certified. We're NDAA SO 2 type 2 certified and there screen for all of you cyber security nerds uh
to read and if anybody needs any more detailed information on our cyber security posture I'm more than happy to provide that to you at the end of the meeting. I myself am not a cyber security expert but I can help get those answers for you. >> You said that it's deleted after 30
days. >> Yes ma'am deletes it. But what about this the police department that has the information? Are they required to look at it after 30 days? How does that work? >> It's a great question. So if an image is being used to um as evidentiary
purposes, right? So let's say armed robbery occurs and we have a partial plague, the agency finds that vehicle uh you know and it's now that's a part of the investigation. whatever your local and state applicable laws are in regards to uh the preservation of evidence that
will fall under that statute. So then they can take that image out of the database and use it for evidentiary purposes. So that's that's a separate you know that's a separate item from from just flaw. So >> about plain images that aren't meaning anything if you delete them after 30
days after you want to come up and finish this presentation if you would you come up and question you want to. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Like I said at the beginning if if a vehicle is not on the hot list it's not connected to a crime or missing person
if it's not flagged if there's no reason for that vehicle to be to image to be looked at by the police department. Again, you're on your day-to-day drives, right? You're not connected to a crime person. That image is automatically deleted after 30 days because it's not pull it's not being pulled from the
system to be used for evidence purposes. And so, um, unless it's being used for evidence, it's just hard deleted after 30 days. >> But if they need it, they they still have access to it >> only within that window. And for example, if a crime is committed at day
31 and theyize it, the police department realizes it at that time, it's automatically deleted. It's gone. Even if they wanted to go back 31, 32 days, it's gone. So, our system automatically deletes those. So, if they want to preserve any images or any any data for uh evidentiary purposes, they have to
pull it out within that 30-day window. There's no way, no other way to get around that. So it's unfortunate, right? So if a very innocent crime happened. >> Yeah, they better do their diligence early. >> Yes. Yes, ma'am.
>> I have a couple questions right now I may ask. >> Yes, sir. >> When it's deleted, how is it deleted? >> Yes, sir. So the images they go to a secure AWS GovCloud um and there's a whole process how the images are pretty
much bleached out of the system. They're kind of white. Um, >> so hold the servers aren't at your facility. They're >> That's Amazon. >> It's It's a It's a Gov cloud. It's a web. So it's not like a physical location or anything. It lives in the
cloud. We don't have a physical facility where we store it. >> So you delete it off the cloud. >> Yes. >> Okay. And you said you don't use facial sp facial recognition. >> Correct. We do not use facial recognition. >> Okay. It's recognized in cars. It's
recognizing tags. It's not recognizing faces. >> Correct. It's only taking the images of the vehicle in a public government document. >> So, it's using recognition software, not facial recognition software. Is that what I'm understanding? >> I'm sorry. >> It's using recognition software, but
it's not using facial recognition software. >> It's using all of like machine learning and things of that nature to capture images of a license plate. That's what it's uh assigned to recognize. It's not designed to recognize people whatsoever. So the the the hardware does not have
the ability to do that. >> So even if a person was in the image of it, uh the camera is taking those snapshots. It's going to get the best quality of that plate. It's it's not designed to take pictures of people at all. >> How do you prove who's driving that vehicle?
>> Yeah, that's that's more in depth when you get uh to um criminal justice and law enforcement related things. So why do I want something and it's going to cost me a bunch of money? >> Yeah. >> That uh you can't identify who's
driving. >> So there there's a lot of different ways you can you can point um a vehicle being at a place at a certain time. Now you get into more the criminal justice aspect of it and the the the prosecutotorial aspect of it. But uh we've been very successful all across
the country and I I'll get to that in a second. When you look at some of our our case studies, we we we've we've brought home thousands of missing children um from domestic violence where you may have a husband or wife going through a hard time and and one of the parties decides to take the child and they drive
three three states over and our technology has been used to identify that vehicle and it conducts a traffic stop and return that child to their to their family before >> child. I'm talking about driver of the vehicle. >> Mr. Bill, that's up to us to do our job
to investigate that >> as well. >> Yeah, I I understand all that. >> But I bet those two attorneys out there got a different opinion. How you going to charge somebody? You can't see them. You can't prove who's
driving that vehicle >> and the stuff's worthless. So, yes, sir. I appreciate your question. I'll let them get into more of the prosecutotorial aspect of it. Um, I can only speak to the objective nature that our technology has been very successful all across the country again
at at reuniting missing children and at solving and helping law enforcement solve some of the most heinous crimes that we've seen across our country. There's been a lot of shootings, a lot of high-profile crimes that happened all across the country. and our technology has been um been uh uh you know
instrumental in helping law enforcement solve some of those major cases that we're all aware of. >> Who who owns this? >> Is this a corporation? We're private private technology company. Yes, sir.
>> Is it a corporation? >> Yes, we're private technology company. Is who owns this corporation? We have a founder and a CEO. He's the founder and owner of the company. Same
>> as has uh and and I'm really referring to uh line location the line location in Florida that started out as something like this.
And the man that started that had a good friend in Florida legislate and they convinced the state of Florida to purchase this information. Has this ever been up for sale?
>> I'm sorry. Can you ask your question again? >> Okay. Has it ever been up for sale? Has our company ever been up for sale? Not to my knowledge. No, sir. I don't think so. Well, you know, I don't believe in it. I'll tell you
that right now for free. But uh there's a chance, good chance they're going to put this up to the state to sell it. and then we're going to make billionaires
out of a handful of people, whoever they are that own this place. >> It's a great question, but I can tell you from my knowledge that that's not a part of our business model and and and who we are as a company. And again, we're we're trusted by over 20,000
different customers in 49 out of 50 states. We are just an assisted technology like another tool for law enforcement agencies to to keep communities safe. and I understand your concerns and the points that you brought up and when we've had some of these concerns from other communities, they they quickly realized that the
technology was much needed. Um, and they and they quickly uh brought us back in and turned the technology back on because it is it is a game changer the way that we can use technology to help law enforcement do their job just a little bit better. We're not replacing them. He says another
>> I can I can I can see some of this in these big cities that you've got listed in you, but I sure can see one in Perry, Florida. >> Amen. >> You know, and the thing is >> that's a great that's a great point you brought up. But the thing is, you know, crime doesn't know any borders. It
doesn't know uh it doesn't know Tallahassee from Perry, Florida. Uh and we we've seen that all across the country. In fact, criminals are more likely to go to places where there's blackout spots and they we've noticed some of that. And so that's a great point that you bring up, but uh I think
that it actually makes it a little bit more vulnerable when agencies around you are using all of the tools at their disposal and criminals start those things out and they quickly exploit it. We are a very honest company and we we adapt to the needs of any community. We give you the tools and we give you the
resources to craft our product the way that it works for your community. Again, your community values matter and the two things can exist at the same time. I have a few questions, but are you done the presentation?
>> No, ma'am. I'm not. >> Thank you. >> This right here is what we call a um transparency report. Again, what mature companies do is they want to be upfront and honest uh about what we are doing. So, your agency has the ability to have
a transparency reporter that you can put on your city's website or the law enforcement agency can have their own website where it shows what agencies you share with. Uh, it shows the retention policy. Uh, it shows who has access. It shows all types of information about your system that the public can go on
and they can read for themselves. It's just another way that we want to be upfront, open, and honest about how our technology works, what your agency is doing, uh, and and and how we keep a permanent audit trail. And I think that's a really important point as well. Um, whenever any a any agencies are
using our tool, every law enforcement officer has a permanent audit trail. So anytime they log into the system and they search a plate for any reason, it is immutable. It cannot be edited, cannot be deleted, cannot be modified. Uh, it is a permanent audit log of whatever your agency is doing for you all to review and have oversight into
that process. Again, I've been discussing this all day, but I think it's really important to hone in on the fact that we work in 40 50 states. Denver is different than Perry. Tallahassee is different than Perry. Atlanta, Georgia is different than Perry, but community safety does not have to come at the expense of
community values. Those things can and should exist at the same time. With our permanent audit logs, we also have search filters to where you can't just go into the system and search things for no reason or you will be caught. That's the way the system is designed. We have federal limitations. We don't have
willy-nilly access for the federal government come in and access your data. Only you decide who you share your data with. So if you don't want to share with the federal government whatsoever, that's your prerogative. >> That may be so today, but you may trust the federal government
more than me. >> We'll go next. Okay. Uh we'll go put myths versus facts. Uh a common myth is that license plate readers can track people and show police everywhere they go. Uh the fact of the matter is license plate readers
are taking a point in time image of the real vehicle on public roadways. They do not continuously track vehicles. Any images not used for an investigation are deleted. Have consistently found that taking images of public documents aka license plates on public roadways is not
a violation of privacy. The second myth is that license plate readers violate the fourth amendment. Well, opinion and federal district courts in at least 14 states, including the 9th and 11th circuits have upheld that using license readers as objective evidence, does not
require a warrant because again, it's something that any of us can go out, stand in the middle of the road and do with our iPhone. The courts have been uniform that we we aren't violating any civil rights, any Fourth Amendment um uh in taking those point in time. Next, please.
Uh, I've kind of already talked about that. We'll go to the next one. Uh, I already talked about that. We'll go to the next one. We'll go to the next one. Next. Next. Next. Uh, these are just a few recent court challenges. I know we got some attorneys
in the room. So, for the people who enjoy reading legal language, uh, again, this is just reiterating that that courts all across the country have been uniform that that license plate readers don't require a warrant. Next week. Um, this is one of my favorite slides
because this is our first missing child that we returned home. Um, this was a case study out of Chambbley, Georgia. There was an Amber Alert that was issued at 12:30. A search was conducted all of our all of our suite of flock products throughout the Chambbley, Georgia area.
The vehicle was located about an hour and a half later at 2:30. The police still did their job. They they did the work that they love and do every day and they made a felony stop at 5:00 pm and that baby was returned home to her mother at 6 pm. Again, this is when
every second matters and our platform is crucial at being an objective tool that law enforcement who are some responsible, hardworking people. I'm a former cop myself and and I can attest that this this technology is a gamecher uh in helping reunite missing children
to their families. We have thousands of these same stories about at a later date. We'll go over some specific Florida examples real quick. So, we work with over 160 different law enforcement agencies here in Florida. Uh I'm sure
y'all are very familiar. Coral Springs, Sarasota, Klay County, Indian River County, and many, many more. Um this is a uh suspect in an attempted abduction was identified with our license plate readers. This was a 13-year-old victim. Next,
this was a homicide suspect arrested in Palm Bay, Florida. Uh, as you can see, our flock cameras were able to track that person down and law enforcement did their job and took him into custody. This was a attempted child abduction. Um, we were able to use our law our
license plate reading technology to get that child back home. This is a double homicide, St. Petersburg. Two murder suspects were out. our our license plate reader technology did what it does best assisted law enforcement and they were able to make an arrest with the double
homicide suspects without incident and that is my presentation I'm sub your questions >> you have a contract for the city >> yes we have the uh trial contract yes >> trial We haven't seen that
on yet. >> No, you haven't. >> Why not? >> Um, it was the trial. We provide We provided the newspaper as well and they but I haven't been asked by the council to provide it to see where we're >> but you always provide us information
but not with his. >> We do provide you with information. Yes. >> Not with on the operation. >> We have nine operational right now. >> See that's I'm getting complete and I'm cutting it.
The newspaper says they're not in operational. >> Not all not all are operational. And you told me that this is how they run. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Those are operational. >> Yes. >> Yes, ma'am. >> So, at what point are you coming to council? >> When whenever a finalized contract is in place for funding, that's when we would
bring it to the council. you you don't put all of these cameras up that you shouldn't come before us before >> this happened. >> We and you know hindsight, yes, we
probably should have done that, but at the time, it was told to me it was okay to run the trial, >> city manager You want to speak on? >> Yeah, I will. Um,
you know, part of this is everybody block. Flock is a company. What we're talking about is ALPR programs, an automated license plate. what this is. There's 20 to 25 companies out there that do this already. Um, you know, some of them that
you may know. Axon is the maker of tasers. We know we use taser in our job. Motorola has these and many more. Um, this has been in existence for years. This is nothing new. This has been used by many agencies throughout the United
States for years. This is not new technology. It's just new to us. >> We have used these successfully. And we've talked about this. We solved hit and run crashes. We solved the burglary where a person and within an hour we recovered all the stolen stolen property
and we had the person arrested that had stolen all this property from their apartment. We used it to locate a person that went missing from a jurisdiction near us before they entered the silver alert. They sent a message to our dispatch center said this is the tag we're
looking for. This elderly guy's missing. He has dementia. within 45 minutes of us having that tag, we were able to find him and returned in this family. U that's a success story. We're not talking about technology to do bad. We're talking about technology has to be
used properly and make sure we have the right policies in place to do it. We still have to do the law enforcement function. We still have to investigate everything that's going on. We don't just go and stop the car because we thank who the driver is. We have to have another reason. We get alerts for
expired tag, expired driver license, suspended license, sexual predators. There's a list of them, but we still have to do the law enforcement function to find out who the person is. That does not give us any information about who
the registered owner is. Flock does not do that. APR systems don't provide that to the officers to run it into a separate database that we already have access to that we audit regularly as well. Um there's checks and balance to building this thing. I ran an audit
today on the use that we've had in the far. Um it takes just a few minutes and it tells me if a tag has been run multiple times and I can go pull the case number um and they enter it. So they just can't run it because they want
to. They have to have a legitimate reason and enter the case number and the re and and the reason behind it and we can compare to our CAD system. Now, I know a big big issue about the protection of this data. It's very limited on what they have access to. We
have access to more sensitive information to our regular databases than they have access to. They're merely running hot lists. And what a hot list is is when someone has a silver or some other reason to have that tag flag is
what we get. That's what's provided by this system. to find out anything about the person that owns the vehicle, we have to run it in a separate database. There's always talk about, you know, hackers. Well, if we're going to worry about hackers, and this just blended
information with no personal identifying information, um why not worry about the credit card companies that are hacked? 170 million people in one incident with all their personal identifying information is compromised. Provided them with the name of their next, their
mother's maiden name. social security numbers, everything that someone needs to do to get into your personal life are in these databases. If we're going to do away with LPR system, let's do away with the online banking system. There's been more compromises there that has hurt more people than somebody seeing your
tag tag on your computer. Uh these are tools for us to use. It doesn't provide us anything more than what he's explained what than what I've explained. It's a tool for us to use. It's a tool just like body cameras we wear, you
know, trans transparency with that. We provide request, we provide people with information on that every day. We get remained requests for that. There's a way for people to request their information if it's been flagged in the system and we can provide that. The transparency portal has not been turned
on because we've paused everything we've lost. Any expansion or any other programs that we can do with it, we've held what we have. We haven't gone any further. That's the reason there's only n until we can find out what direction we're going to go.
>> She probably probably is that with the school cameras you came to us. >> Yes. >> Before we did anything. >> Yes ma'am. >> And I feel that you should have come before us started these cameras as well.
But everyone wouldn't be in the school. >> Yes, ma'am. And that's my mistake and I will own that. >> The reason we brought the school camera to you is by law we required to in the beginning for an ordinance to be. That's the reason.
>> There's Florida statutes in place now to govern the use of LPR in Florida and we're follow those guidelines. We have a policy in place internally on how we handle com the LPR information and um it it defines that we can discipline
officers from issues including arrest. >> Okay. But if it will cost the taxpayers $61,000 yearly come >> Yes ma'am. But we have not approved the budget for this. So there's nothing
saying we're for keeping these cameras unless we get an approved budget and that's for the number of cameras we have anticipated for this trial of 61,000. We can reduce that number and make the cost less. That's totally up to what we think and that's part of the trial is what
cameras work best for us and locations they're placed be most effective so we're not spending money we don't need. >> Anybody have any questions? just know that we could number because I think the 61 is a little high. >> Yes, ma'am. We can reduce it to whatever
number we think is appropriate. >> It's not 61,000 for the program completely. It's it's a cost per camera. >> Yeah. >> And and you know, and and don't forget in that we've got five cameras for parks that do not have LPR technology built in and they don't have facial recognition
built in. That's just surveillance in the park. >> And we know we've had problems in parks for how long with damage and stuff. >> How how is that going to help if you don't have facial >> just not in it's not in >> what is it going to capture? >> Um actually we will be able to review
that video for 31 days. >> That's the system. >> Yes, the surveillance camera. It's just that doesn't do any >> So it can do live video. >> Yeah, it can do live story. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. people out. >> Now, if it's your typical video
surveillance camera like like you go to a bank or you go to a school, it's a it's a typical video camera that's been around for decades. >> If we wanted facial recognition or or AI to help us identify clothing or whatever, there's another camera system out there that we've looked at in the
past that would do that for us. That that's something that we wanted to do, but I didn't think we needed to do that in the beginning. Let's use surveillance cameras to look at issues and problems we're having and we can go back and review it in time frames we know the issue occurred.
>> How how are they protected from damage? >> We have a warranty with those cameras. >> Somebody's going to tear them up. >> Yeah, >> that's going to happen. >> That's part of the expense is working
with them as they warranty this repair cost to us. We have one in the church yard. I think that should be removed. >> That was that was not authorized that place. >> Well, I'm sure they wouldn't say no.
>> I didn't talk to them. >> I did not speak. >> I would ask you to find another place >> and that's something we can talk with with our representatives about to find a different location. Who's saying we're going to keep that camera? That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
to the county's >> and I will ask everybody if they would hold down >> say hold on please I'm just gonna ask everybody we're trying to take minutes to record the meeting. So, if you would just please not be up when you see if you have something you want to say, let
everybody speak. Um, try to keep it very minutes or less if possible. And let's just try to keep it vessel. I bet y >> was it Mr. Johnson? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um, you said that the
state in the cloud. >> Can you >> save the cloud? >> Can you address the council first and then I can answer your questions afterwards? >> Um, I have questions for him about how the storage is in the database. >> Oh, address 1545
road. Anyway so I said it. >> I guess your question is about how it's stored. >> Yes. About the database. >> Okay. >> And the storage. >> If if you can ask the question of the council, the council can ask him the
question. So he's ask that's that's the way this worked. >> Yeah. >> Is it stored in the cloud? And you said earlier you said earlier just to Yes. >> So let's say the city administrator forgets their password because he says
they have no access to it. How do we get back in if there's if you not have a person that can access us to help the city if there's a problem or somebody quit in how do they get back in? >> I can answer that. We have two
administrators in the system and anyone that's an authorized member of the agency can contact our flock vendor and ask them to help us to get back in. >> So they set it up. >> Yes. >> All right. So then that's my question. So you're telling me you have no access and no back door access into a system,
but I've never set up a database, installed a database, a database that I can set up password for and not have access to. So, you should set up passwords for people, install new people into it, but you're telling me you have absolutely no access to the database.
>> You ask, >> they're telling me they have no access to the database, even though they set up the passwords and set up the people who have access. Because that's what he said. He said, "We have no access to your data, but he sets up the people that do have access." >> I'll I'll let her finish your line of
question first. >> That's my question. So, you're telling me you really have no access to the data? So mayor, you can finish your line of question and then once you're finished, I'll come back. That's >> my whole question about the access to the data. >> You're done now. So I'll come back up and I'll address the council.
>> Thank you. >> Yes. So I appreciate those questions and I think a lot of the question that she's um going down is trying to go down a rabbit hole of a lot of technical cyber security questions. As I already stated earlier, I am not a cyber security expert. However, I can get very detailed
answers to any of those questions. uh um in writing to the entire but to just address her concerns that she was asking. I I really like what the chief said earlier, right? Like this is not new technology. This is not a new phenomenon. This is this is stuff that's been around for decades. Asking that
same question, you can ask that about any system you have in place. You can ask that about the existing system they already use right now as law enforcement officers. I think it's a little disingenuous to try to connect those pieces to say, you know, we have some type of backdoor access when I've already addressed uh the council and
stated that we do not have any backdoor access. Of course, we are a vendor. We're a company that's going to help them set up their accounts and and help them get everything going, but the administrator essentially is the one who has control over that process. >> Okay. I think the question is if something
let's say the two administrators walk off, they walk away. they something happens to them all anything and no there's no administrator left to get into the system then how does anybody get into the system I think is what the
question is if I'm not mistaken if there is no back door access >> so um the only option I would we would have is to contact the account administrator for flock and tell them we need access and they would create a new user
>> so you wouldn't actually have So our customer number be like resetting your own password on a if you lost your password type thing. >> So there's one person that works because that one is >> basically. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> But there's one person that he that they
work with. So this person you would still be able to get in contact with them. It's all documented. They have a Salesforce database to where like if the were to happen, right, you can then contact that account holder who is who has been working with him and you won't get access to his existing stuff.
there's a way to create a new account and to to to reset the system. >> Thank you. >> Good afternoon, members of the council. My name is Dming. I live at 615 North Jefferson Street here in Perry. First, I would like to thank you for placing this
issue on tonight's agenda. Um, and I'd like to thank the representative from Flock for being here to answer questions as well. Um, since I last spoke to you the previous two meetings, the concerns that I've raised have only become more relevant and urgent. In my opinion, this
conversation has never been about whether law enforcement should have the tools they need to investigate crime. It has always been about ensuring that those tools do not come at the expense of the constitutional rights and privacy of the people they are intended to
protect. Our constitutional rights are most vulnerable when we accept small intrusions because they appear convenient or well-intentioned. History has shown that the erosion of liberty rarely happens all at once. It happens one decision at a time. The
ability to continuously record and catalog movements of law-abiding citizens is a direct violation of those rights in my opinion and it should concern all of us. These concerns are not hypothetical and they are not mine alone. Just within the last few weeks,
multiple law enforcement officers in Georgia were fired and are facing consequences and charges after allegedly misusing Flock's database to conduct unauthorized searches. That case and cases like it raise an important question. If misuse occurred there, how
can we be sure as residents that it will not happen here? As well, the risks also extend beyond intentional misuse. Across the country, there have been documented cases in which innocent people are stopped, detained, or treated as criminal suspects after automated
license plate reader systems um generate false alerts or incorrectly identify their vehicles. Technology can be a valuable investigative tool. I think we should use it to some extent, but it is not error-free. When it fails or when it is misused, like we are seeing, the
consequences are felt by innocent people. At the same time, we are seeing a national movement away from these cameras. Um, across the country, many more cities and counties have canceled or rejected their contracts with Flock over these same concerns. This is no longer an isolated debate and
communities all across America are reaching the same conclusion that surveillance technologies like these require far greater scrutiny than they were originally given. I would also ask the council to consider how this program came to Perry in the first place. By all appearances, this agreement was entered
into and the cameras were installed without the knowledge, discussion, and approval of this governing body. Regardless of anyone's opinion on the license plate readers or flock, this should concern every member of this council. You were elected to provide oversight on behalf of the people of
Perry. Decisions involving citywide surveillance should not bypass elected representatives of this community, nor should they occur without meaningful public awareness and input. If that process was circumvented, correcting it is reason enough to reconsider this agreement. I respectfully ask each of
you to weigh these uh these things that I've said very heavily. Um that's again my my planned comments, but I do just want to say that this is in no way a critique on my part of the police department. I have a great respect for law enforcement. Um I did work at FDLE for nearly a decade. When I left that
agency, I was the lead editor of the curriculum development section in the Bureau of Training. I know that these officers have the training that they need to do their job. I would rather see the $60,000 go into their paychecks rather than on a technology such as
this. That's all I ask. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Were your questions answered? >> Do you have any? >> I I I can note one uh concern I had. Um, I was discouraged to hear that this uh
this data I did not hear the word encrypted mentioned. I heard that it was stored in the cloud. Usually technology companies like this have their own servers that they can keep tabs on. That was very discouraging of me to hear. Um, I did also hear that it's just taking
one photo and it's not a violation of constitutional rights. Respectfully, I disagree because when you create a web of these cameras, it one camera is taking one picture, but the camera down the road is taking another picture and that could be pieced together to track
where a person goes, whether they are suspect or not. So, that is my only concern that they may be misused. The data from what I've heard is not terribly secure. cloud as as the chief mentioned cloud systems are you know hacked very often and they are
compromised very often and I would have rather heard him say that they have their own servers in their own you know offices >> did you have a question there >> no that was all >> thank you I can I mean so there's a lot of false claims in that statement so I I
did mention encryption several times uh the the data is and encrypted in a government cloud that is FBI seizure certified. You can't I mean the chief picked to that as well. I mean these are some of the highest standards from the federal government. This stuff is not just living out there willy-nilly. Um
and again and I love the point that she brought up about vulnerabilities, right? Like if I were to get up here and tell you that that we are immune to any missteps or immune to any type of vulnerabilities, I would want y'all to run as far away as possible. Like why would I get up here and even make a statement close to that to say that
we're perfect and and no missteps will ever happen? I hope nobody takes that. But what responsible technology companies do is they adapt to those circumstances. To chief's point earlier, banks, I mean, you name it, are all the time vulnerabilities are happening. But what responsible companies do, we've
hired a world-class chief information systems officer. He's nearly doubled his team. We take privacy and cyber security at the utmost respect each and every day. We're constantly uh uh uh funding that team and helping him make sure he has the resources and tools that he need to make sure that we're monitoring our
progress and monitoring any bad actors that could occur. And and to the point about uh the misuse cases, let's be very clear. I mean, there are thousands, hundreds of thousands of active users on flock systems across 49 states each and every day. But you hear about three or
four or even five police officers who were caught misusing the system. In fact, a place that I'm very familiar with, Georgia. But that goes straight to the system work that's designed. They were caught because we have proactive auditing. So when you have an officer who wants to be a bad actor, again, nobody's perfect. No system's perfect.
No human being's perfect, but but supposed to be all those things, but we put things in place to where when when nefarious behavior happens, you're caught. So those examples are how our system is working as designed. Period. The officers misused the
database. They were caught, fired, and arrested. We can't promise anybody that there's going to be a perfect everything. It's going to be a perfect private company. It's going to be perfect. No, we're going to work with our community to make sure that you own your data. We're going to work with your community to make sure
that your filters are the way you want it to be designed. We're going to work with your community to make sure cameras are in place to where you want the them to be in place. I want y'all to understand that this is not some type of separate conversation. We want to be involved and engaged with you on picking up where we've kind of made some
missteps and figuring out what's the best placement of these cameras. What's the cyber security protocols in place? Can we see those audit trails? Can we have a transparency portal? This is a group effort. This is not a one-off sell you something and we're gone. No. the whole statement about, you know, uh
other municipalities and counties, you know, uh uh uh churning our contracts. I can I can tell you we've had threefold the amount of contracts uh that that we've adopted since we've had some municipalities say, "Look, we don't want to use Flock anymore." Well, that's their prerogative. There's other
companies that do license plate readers. If they decide not to use us, that's their prerogative. But we have thousands of customers who go online with Flock every month. So that's very minute in comparison to the people that we are working with. >> What are some of the issues that you all have had to overcome?
Things that have gone wrong so to speak that you had to deal with. >> Yeah. So again, just like any company, let's think about our Ubers, our lifts, our Door Dash. You can think almost any private major company in this country have had some type of mishap in the media or or in the New York Times,
right? So for example for us uh it was the current political movements with immigration. Um we had a pilot program with ICE at the department of department of homeland security. Um and and uh we no longer have that contract with them but we realized that the political winds
we were kind of caught in that stream with the political winds and there was a lot of communities major cities who said look our values are that we don't want to work with ICE. We have a lot of immigrants in our community. We And so as a responsible company, you know what we did? We adapted to the moment. We
then said that we're not just going to share with federal agencies willy-nilly. We're going to now bring in search filters. We're going to now have it in place to where if you don't want to work with the federal government. You don't have to. That's what a responsible company does. They adapt to the moment. They don't just, you know, fall and and
lay down and and just let the storm take them with them. You you have to adapt. Be proactive. And and I can say working for this company, that's what I'm proud of the most. I'll give you another example. There was a reproductive issue in Texas where it was alleged that an officer used our technology to track a
woman who wanted to get an abortion. Well, that did that wasn't the full story. The the there was no prosecution that came out of that situation. However, after that incident occurred, you know what we did? We put in reproductive search filters in place. So, where now you can't search any type
of things related to healthcare, women, and certain keywords for the system that will be flagged for the administrators to review. And so that's what a responsible company does. You adapt to the moment. Nobody's perfect. >> Why would all that be put in there
anyway? You're just lost. >> Well, we we have we have so your your city only uses license plate readers. We we have other we have a suite of other products. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So like I was telling you about the uh the the video cameras. We call those pan tilt zooms. And there's also a
component of that camera to where it can u detect identifiable features like a blue shirt or cowboy hats or they now again other cities use that technology. We're not discussing that for you but but that's an example of what other cities are able to to use. But when
you're talking about license plate readers that's a completely separate system than a a video camera. >> Thank you. >> Yes ma'am. Can I say something that John told me? >> Sure. >> He said, "Given the higher than expected
cost and growing privacy and data sharing concerns that are leading many cities to shut off or cancel their block camera contracts, he believes it is in the Perry's best interest to end our trial now and watch how this technology plays out elsewhere before considering any future use."
the city's recommendation. >> He's watching the meeting from his office. >> We got several people speak. >> Good evening, council. How you doing? Lamina Brady Turner, 1070 Aelia Road, Perry, Florida. Um, I just one
clarifying question and we have nine operating clock cameras in town right now and I would like to know what policies are in place at this very moment that protects the citizens of the community against potential law enforcement officers that may have
malicious um, intent. And who in the police department at this point has access to the data? >> We have 13 people, >> okay, >> inside the police department have access. Um, and I'm the one that give them access. >> Okay.
>> We have two administrators. I'm one and Captain Gray is one. >> Okay. >> Um, we do audits on the information that is entered. >> Uh, we verify that there's not multiple runs on it. There's not anything that's inappropriate there. We also have a policy document that I provide
>> that outlines proper use and discipline of someone that is found to be um in non-compliance. >> And how often are you doing that monitoring process? >> Once a month. >> Once a month. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you.
Uh thank you for letting your speak tonight. I'm Russ here in Cors 3855 US. >> You sir, you mentioned earlier that uh >> I'm sorry. The gentleman representative mentioned
earlier that the cameras have additional capabilities but are not currently employed here in Perry. Uh he specifically mentioned they have the ability to recognize hats, colors or shirts.
My question is if it has that capability, what prevents it from recognizing faces? Great question. I I can answer that. You cannot see in a vehicle from these cameras. You cannot. He was talking about the live video cameras for
monitoring that you can have that technology in them, but you cannot see a person inside these cars. >> Okay. >> You cannot. Um >> you're doing it from the rear the >> Okay, sure enough. Another question is a
privacy concern or I guess it's more of a state question. I don't really see the difference between mass surveillance of innocent law-abiding cit citizens. I mean then what's the difference between doing this which it is surveillance you
know it brings back I don't know if any of you ever read or watch movie 1984 but it some scary parallels. Um but why not make everybody wear angle monitors? mean
>> well went on they don't have access to that they don't have the law enforcement doesn't have access to that data without a warranty if we're concerned about potential crime criminal activities let's just all be assigned ankle
thank Thank you. >> Hey, my name is Mark Stevenson, 15 276 East Royal Oak Drive. Um, I wanted to point out a couple things that I noticed in his presentation because he contradicted him
several times, but one of the major contradictions was he said, "Well, it reads license plates, but then he also said it'll notice a roof rack." Okay, it's noticing license plates, it's noticing roof racks, it's noticing window stickers, bumper stickers, it's noticing any other dents, any other
color variations on your car, anything. M and and that's a that's a problem because it's not just looking at license plate. We've had license plate readers for 30 years out on the interstates here in Florida because I was I was out there. We had license plate readers for
30 years out on the interstates and it wasn't through Florida. Um there was a case recently where a woman was arrested for a robbery that she didn't commit. She was taken 1,000 miles away because facial recognition from
Florida said that it was her and she sat for 3 weeks in a jail 1,000 mi from her home before being released after they discovered it wasn't her and just put out on the street to get home. Okay, that's flock
that that's not that's not acceptable in any way, shape, or form. That's that's my thoughts. Um, but like I said, you know, I I've got nothing against the police, but you know, he mentions, well, a few officers. One officer put stuff in
his in his in his block system to track a girl he met at a concert and stopped her on the street, did a traffic stop on her on the street and and they wouldn't she complained to the police department. That's why he got caught. She filed a
complaint because he stopped her. It wasn't that his superiors brought him aside and said, "Hey, you're not supposed to be doing this." She filed a complaint that he did that because she was freaked out and as as she should be some
somebody ran into a random show and then tracks her down by her plate number using multiple flock cameras to track her position so that he could come up to her and stop her. Not one. So, there's a lot of contradictions and
things that don't make sense. Just pointing that out. And you know, we've got one down by us. I drove by on my way up here. You know what I noticed when I was driving by it on the way up here, but I haven't noticed in the past 100 times I drove by? The wires are cut
from the solar panel for the camera. They're just dangling in there. But people are coming down all over the world. Not just here, all over the world because they don't want to be tracked. They don't want the unwarranted surveillance.
I mean, it's up to you guys, but but you're paying that much to have people spying on your people, innocent people, in hopes you catch something else. And I can understand them saying, "Yeah, it helps us track a tag." Well, they're
they're good tag readers. Like I said, they're regular tag readers, not ones that are this sophisticated and catch this much information. They do do facial recog. They they they take pictures of everything on your vehicle from your tag
frames to your dents to scrapes to paint markings, a crack of your windshield, everything. It's not just a a tag that they're recording when you drive by. And you said they record the back. Okay. One
when you're going that way records the back. The one that's facing this way down the road is recording the front as you're coming up to it. They're not only reporting the vehicles in the traffic lane that they're on, they report across the road, too. There's a lot of things that that come
to mind. I just wanted to point out those few. Oh, my name is Tony Anderson, 3730 Club Woods Road. Um, I'm a computer engineer, so I'm the tech guy. I'm the guy that sets up the database and the server they're talking about. I've heard some
things that I don't agree with. I don't think it's right, but I'm not going to get confrontational and get into all that. Uh, but what I would like to do, I'd like for everyone to have the same information I have, but we don't have 40
hours to go over stuff. So, uh, if I could get email addresses, I'll create a document with a bunch of links. You can just click on the link and watch a video. Some of these videos are federal attorneys talking about the Supreme Court, what they've said about clocks.
There's a lot of lawsuits going on. Some of them are engineers on house how how they're easy to hack. All kinds of things. Uh you can watch them at your leisure. You can learn, you can have the information, then you can make your own decisions. The only real thing I want to
address is this. Um okay, a real easy way to do it. Can you see that there's like seven dots? I don't know if who can see it. There's seven dots. But if you flip it around, that's 34 dots. So you see how the more dots you have, better your picture. If
you have enough of these cameras, then you get an image of somebody's life. You know, when they leave for work, you know, when they get home, you know, when they went to their uh kidney dialysis, you know, when they went to their AA meeting, everything. And the
Supreme Court of 2018 Carpenter versus United States said that that much information should require a court order. And they just the Supreme Court just had another ruling about five days ago. They're leaning that same way. So they haven't ruled on this yet, but the
way they're leaning, they're going to require a court order in the near future. I would think there's a lot of lawsuits going on and in Texas where they was hunting for the girl for the abortion. The way I understand it, the guy entered in, she
was a missing person. He didn't enter in any kind of medical reason that I know of. But u I would like for everyone to just take a look at those videos and you can make up your own. >> Yeah. Thank you. If I can get the email address,
>> you can get that off the website the website city website. >> We need to make that available to the public if they're interested into how we make a decision. >> Sorry. We also would need to make whatever that presentation is the link
available to the public um for sunshine law purposes if it's taken into consideration and how you may decide on city website of course you can see you can our emails are all >> not your emails what I'm saying I'm saying
email we send receive through city website What I was suggesting is that whatever the links are be placed on the website, not that people have to individually file a public record request if it's being considered in your deliberations
about whether or not you'll accept or not accept it. That's what I'm saying. document that is available that it should be made. >> Just send it as a PDF and you just post. >> Yes, sir. >> Then you just O'Quinn. Uh I lived in Perry
to 2022. I live in Greenville, Florida now. um you know like with with with these cameras and I you know I know the local law enforcement I believe that they want to do good with it.
Um but I also believe that that's power the government should not have. Okay. We stand up and say the pledge of allegiance. We say liberty and justice for all. Well your liberty comes from you know our bill of rights our
constitution. Okay. Anything that's not covered by the Constitution for the 10th Amendment goes to the states. Well, I feel like, you know, illegal search and seizures is covered by the Constitution. That's our Fourth Amendment rights. Okay.
I don't know if y'all Well, I did a little research and I looked up some polls of how many people or what trust the government. Okay. There was there was a few polls. It was
from 17 to 25% of people trust the government to do what's right most of the time or all the time. Okay. Law enforcement is about 50%. Local law enforcement is a little higher. So if the country
has that low of faith in the government, why would its citizens give it even more power over them? Okay. My my example is y'all remember CO. >> Okay. The the government said you cannot
go into a restaurant. You cannot go to church. People were arrested for church. Okay. And I'm not going to say flock, but automatic license plate readers were used for travel bans.
They were used to arrest people, to sight people uh during that time. Okay, it's it's it's a proven fact. I remember having to have a paper. I was essential worker, okay, because of my job. So that allowed
me to move back and forth. Well, I also know a hairdresser, her job, it was not considered essential. Okay, so she had she couldn't run her business and she almost lost her house. Okay, that's power the government should not have. It just shouldn't have.
Um, there have been abuses of flock style. I'm not going to say flock because it's just that's a brand. Okay. But, you know, and then they say, well, well, if you don't have anything to hide, why do you care?
I close my blinds on my house. I got a code on my phone, right? I'm I'm I expect a certain amount of privacy. Okay. So, I have three kids. Okay. If any one of them were kidnapped, you know, I want
to use any tool at my disposal to find my children. But it's also my responsibility to watch my children, not the governments. And if my child were kidnapped and they were not found or they were not discovered, what would we do then?
We need more campers. More and more and more, more and more. That's what it'll be. They I've heard that if you want to the closest thing to immortality is a government program. Okay.
There was a there was an economist. He said if you put the government in charge of the Sahara Desert, there'll be a sand. >> Okay. So, this isn't, you know, this isn't this is government power. Okay. It's like, you know, we have the first amendment, we have the second amendment,
we have the fifth amendment. Okay. So, I would say for me not to hurt someone's feelings or whatever. We do we'll do away with the first amendment. Okay. We'll do away with that. CO violated your first amendment. You couldn't gather. You couldn't do these things. Oh, it's an emergency. It's for your
safety. It's always for your safety. Okay. So, okay. We want to stop gun. We want to stop guns. second amendment. Let's go away with that, too. Okay? It's always for your safety. So, and like I say, I do believe there
are good intentions. There are good intentions, but I I I really believe that, you know, this this just call the government should not have co was showed me the most about that how fast something escalated
because of your safety. Okay. Right? That's what the government will tell you anyway. Okay? You know, if you study history, that's what the Nazis told the Jews.
Give us your gun. We'll take care of you. We know how that turned out. >> Excuse me. >> I didn't hear what you said. >> We're on cameras. I mean, the agenda item is about
cameras. I understand that. That's why I'm saying block cameras violates your fourth amendment rights. That's that's my status. The power of the government shouldn't have. >> Okay. And also too, just to be clear, the 30 days is a rolling 30 days. Okay?
July 1st is deleted on July 31st. They have enough days they can see where you go, what you do. And that is the problem. It's not like an officer sitting on the side of the road reading your license your license plate or
whatever. You're getting a picture of what of what somebody does, where they go, where they worship. The government's used it in the past. >> You're saying you have a data profile, >> right? It's the data that it collects and it it's it's it's your private
information. >> It's what it is. Okay. So um but that that that's what anyone else want Mr. Mayor one last Anything I like to say? >> Yes. >> Technology should not be judged solely
by what it could do if abused. It should be judged by what is authorized to do, the safeguards it governs its use, and the oversight that it ensures. Public safety benefits it provides. Banning a properly governed tool because
it could be misused is not the same as addressing the misuse and oversight. And we have policy in place to prevent it. >> Anything could be misused. Anybody can misuse anything. >> Yes. >> As far as I could that's factor and the
mechanical factors whether intentional or not intentional. Yes sir. Come up here please. I had a question about the placements of them because technically I'm in Perry,
but I'm in Ke and they're down there. Is that Perry cities and are only 13 people having access to those or are all the sheriff's officers and everybody having access to those? Because being out in in Keaton, that's county, but it's Perry.
Does that mean that only the city police have access to this Perry? cameras that are out here or do the sheriffs have access for the ones talking and the city doesn't >> because I'm imp. >> Not every camera that you see belongs
>> in this tri in this trial. >> There's other agencies outside of the sheriff's office as well that have cameras in this county. >> Outside of police and the sheriff's office. >> Yes. >> State level. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Yes. Really? I I don't know what state
agency, but state >> I I don't know all the agencies. The one I do know, the Department of Corrections have them near their >> near life. >> Yeah. But I do know that. >> The only reason I asked that is because I'm in Perry. My my address is Perry. >> Yeah.
>> But Katon, which is county. >> Yeah. >> Walking across the state, the city of city. That's where your nine are. However, they're they're in or at the border. Yeah. Of the city >> of the city. Yes. However, I don't think
every single one inside the city area. >> I don't think so. I'm I I can only tell you what we have, >> right? >> I can't speak about everybody. >> I'm going to say that you go on Federal Highway. >> I'm curious, but I'm in Perry and and that's there.
>> Yeah. I don't know whose that is. >> I have no idea. >> That's the one that the cable's cut. >> I don't know whose it is. >> Who? I don't need to say outside the city wouldn't need anything to do with us. >> Why I'm saying too is inside the city could
be something we don't have anything to do with federal highway. >> I think beach roads a state >> but the state states you can put them on the county road as well as long permitting process. That's totally up to the issue of the permit.
>> I'm just trying to figure out everything I wanted to see. I'm see >> Yeah, that's what I was trying to get. >> I'm not aware. >> Yeah, we got this rescue. that whether we want to keep doing the
trial or not trial. I do remember he served me correctly you did speak to us about parks. >> Yes, I do remember I don't remember everything that was said about it but I do remember all the damage and all the
vanis that was going parts. You said there might be a solution or try some cameras. Yes, I do remember that offer. >> Yes, sir. >> But if we're going to make a decision,
I probably wait on the house. It's absolutely >> so you want to make a motion to >> postpone back until
the next meeting. Is everybody in agreement on that? All right. So, we're going to take >> we're going to take a decision until the next >> meeting trial period. >> The trial as soon as all the cameras are operational, the trial actually starts,
but not all of them are operational. >> Okay. So, we're not really in the trial period. >> Not yet. >> But once it starts, it's 60 days. >> 60 days. the state penetrates and he's against the trial.
>> Yes, ma'am. He also said he want you want to lay off full caps? >> Yes, we can. >> You have something else you want to add, Santana? >> I was just going to say that you do have a quorum. I would feel better if a decision was made tonight. I do understand and respect the the need to
have fifth council member here, but >> um I' I've been the last three meetings on this topic. So, We don't have to >> say wait in two weeks. You want to make a motion.
We tell you what next >> before making decision. Have a second. Thank >> y >> Okay, we're going to take it up. We're deal with it and wait two weeks. I >> ask a procedural question.
>> Absolutely. >> Angela Ball, 615 North Jefferson. So, everyone who has made comments tonight, will that be considered by the council at the uh table meeting in two weeks or expectation that all of these people
will come again and restate their concern? >> No, we got her comments been recording then they'll be in minutes. >> So, Miss Woodfall will have that at her access so she can review it. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Thank you.
things being understood. I just wanted to make sure she was going to be able to be prepared for that without these folks having to come back. >> Sure. I would think Well, I mean, I can't speak for her. I can't make her watch it, but I mean to her if she wants to. >> Thank you. Thank you.
>> Thanks. All right. Thank you. I appreciate everybody's comments. Is that group? You're about three minutes. This Yeah, I've got So that's why I did say that. They're
Thanks. Okay great. It was all satter. Yes, ma'am. Yes, sir. Well, I know they Well, as a former attorney, I totally
understand. >> You take a lot of pieces of information. I've never before I realize this, you know, drone shots on metadata. They don't even have the real data. >> They don't need all they don't need all
>> and they can do that. Tell you what's worse. You probably heard about it here. There's no picks up any wireless signal. So if you have a pacemaker so your doctor can monitor your heart. >> Walmart has a pilot program.
>> When you come in, they do facial recognition based on who you are. They know your income. They're going to change the price so they can imagine. So if you make 100,000 a year, pay five bucks for this. If you make 40,000 years, you'll pay $2.
>> See, there's all kinds of stuff going on. If I didn't build up I don't think >> that happens. If you hit the brakes too, you do an emergency lane change. So,
let's see. Insurance company insurance. There's ways that >> reverse it. >> Where's your paradox? Or when the distor don't get me wrong I'm there's just certain things I don't
totally just like people are here for this. is very interesting. Because the way the modern world is building is going to eventually whether it's that or that's why I mean Europe is so strong everywhere and you can you can
from their house to airport you know that also ice cream or the dark that's why it's not us like you know you find places that go dark but like I said my background is shiny
I don't want things off to I my client was like I have an alibi I was out of state and his phone was pinging right there next to the ready to continue. >> We're going to call the city council meeting back to order. Go ahead. Agenda
item 6F public hearing and final reading ordinance 1060 apartments. An ordinance of the city of Perry, Florida revealing all prior ordinances, resolutions and actions of the city related to economic development
incentives for Prospect Perry Apartments LLC, formerly known as Prospect Construction and Development Group LLC, Prospect Developers LLC, resending ordinance number 101, acknowledging the
expiration of ordinance number 965, superseding prior incentives authority with the with June 20th tax incentive agreement providing for severability conflicts in effect
>> motion have a motion that we have a Saturday where's no with it. >> This says all right city manager mayor to negotiate, execute and deliver an agreement.
>> That agreement you all already agreed for the city manager to sign. Remember we um the agreement was already signed the written agreement and particularly you council member Bryan insisted and everyone agreed to create an ordinance
to formally repeal not just do it through a written agreement but to formally repeal all previous ordinances or resolutions. I still uh think that uh whoever this is, Harry
P ought to have a signature page. >> I want here something. >> It can be held. They they signed the the written agreement as a private vendor, but they have there's no authority in
having the developer >> the agreement the agreement that we've already put in place. Okay, >> that has been signed. >> Have a motion second. Any discussion from the public on this?
>> Bronze. >> Yes. for please >> agenda item 6D public hearing and final reading ordinance 1061 surplus land an ordinance of the city council of the city of Perry Taylor County Florida
regarding surplus lands authorizing conveyance of certain land to the Taylor County school board as a gift for public educational purposes. is preserving a utility easement to the city and promoting an effective date.
And this this is the final ordinance on or the final final radio ordinance to transfer the 15 acres that are scattered amongst the school land over ball fields. >> Yes. But in what um I won't say change what was added was that there would be
an agreement to that um utility easement which was not a part of the original discussion. This been going on a long long time. >> Motion to >> second. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Hansry. >> Yes. >> Yes. It looks like we're next to this very same item. Agenda item 6H
council to discuss the approval of the utility easement for the ball field and council will take any action being necessary against the Bfield properties. Thank you. >> Motion a second. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Yes. Item six. I council to discuss and approve quick from dog property and council to take any action necessary motion to approve. >> Yes. >> Hansen. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Yes. Agenda item 6J council to discuss green grant application council to take any action deemed necessary. You mean we have an administrator? >> Are you meaning an administrator? >> Administrator.
>> So John and I have been just using the criteria that the council approved and we are the ones that are reviewing it. The reason that we are unsure on this and wanted to seek council direction was because they are a tax property. So the CRA is specifically pulled from property
taxes and we pull that that money out of property taxes and put it into a separate fund. That's why we needed this one. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Did you go eat him?
Are they be doing this? >> So in the original grant thing that came before you guys, there wasn't an administrator name made and said that we were going to do it unless it became too much like if we were getting too many applications and
John and I didn't have time because we have to pay them to do it. So he was trying to reduce. >> Yeah. But he was still trying to just let us We haven't had that many cross. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> 2% administrative >> 2% of the project. It just depends on how >> well the project is 6,000. I can read my little right.
>> But you guys are the CRA board. That's why we brought it to you all. >> So, let me let me go ahead and I'll go through my skill and if you have any questions, you can start addressing. >> I'm Allison River and my address is 2436
Green Farm Road 32347. I'm the president of the women's club. We we are respectfully requesting the maximum grant award of $5,000 toward our $6,500 project. There is an invoice in there for that.
and Cody Ford is local and he would be doing the work for us. We would provide the remaining $1,500 to complete the project. We're going to be painting the outside of the building as he'll fix some siding and there's a little set up at the top. It doesn't really affect too
much with the historical side of that. um from what I can tell and what our past president has researched as well. And this will help our building which will help to stand out more for Reynolds because people see it from the road. They also see it that side
that's off of that right across from Chamber as they're going out of town as well. need to, you know, paint it black to match our side and um
I think a cream color or a brown color as well. But our building is available to rent for community groups, organizations, and individuals. Our rental income helps pay for the utilities, the insurance, and which we're up to date on utilities,
maintenance, and ongoing operation of the facility. And we and this helps support our mission of providing scholarships for graduating high school for seniors, Easter baskets, and other various things to serve Perry. I know that we have I think it's been mentioned
for by Iris Parker that we have a 99 year lease dollar in which I look at the property tax records and it is listed now in Perry Women's Club and compare of the city of Perry and as far as I went back
to just what was on the page and it reflected a zero tax balance especially back in 2015. Um, and I also saw on there that this matters or not, but it is commercial property. I think with the taxes being
exempt, I think that was because maybe because it was the civic side of things and we're a civic organization to not have to pay those taxes. But we were also a few years ago when Nancy Henry was president, she got a sign and we got
a award for that. We did get a grant for that sign for a reforce reimbursement for the sign question. And yes, I know we're also 513 miss. And I know that's a concern for you as well.
See, I knew somebody's gonna bring it up. Yummy. >> No, this sort of goes straight to Miss Mitchum. We can't get anything for the Jurg Center. They're also
they don't uh Could I ask you how much rent? >> I rent $400. We already have a renter in there for the next couple of days for training and then an I'm renting it on Saturday for my class reunion after 1996.
So yes, >> there will be local sad and I'm like oh yeah we're available for rent. >> No taxes >> no taxes but we do pay we do pay
utilities. We do pay the insurance. Um kept up to date on the insurance and um other bills that we have that do come in. But yeah, that upkeep is all our responsibility. >> I could be wrong. You need to correct me.
I thought this was just for facade. Just for the facade, just the painting of the front of the building. >> Yes. Cost 7,000. >> And this is for the whole building. So we only
>> we only pay up to the we have a maximum amount that we'll pay. So even if they go over that amount we don't >> we won't meet it if it's only for the facade and then we do have the micro grant that is for signage >> and awnings >> and awnings
have theory on those awnings. Um, and when we're talking about the facade, are we talking about the whole entire building or are you just looking at the front side or I should have asked that before? >> Because for us, our facade is all there, not just like looking to the fair store
or you know the entire exterior. >> Okay. >> I just wanted to be clear on that. >> What you means it's a standalone building. It is stand charge rent every single thing goes on
the rent >> everything everything's in charge for rent >> I mean as as far as women's club go we do get to bless the rent of 250 but I still have to use and I still have to afterward
>> um we're working on that chamber does use it um heard discounted right of $100. Um, super pups use it right James. We do use it for the dignitary reception in
October. So, we do provide that. We have, you know, a few people that will get food and drinks and coffee and set up for the princesses and the queens to work.
This this has nothing to do with Okay. But when I look at this and I think of the community building out there's a cry and shame the way that feelings
bring that to you source person and Daniel was a big who went out and cleaned the building as best they could.
They even went out to check to clean the special. That is unacceptable. I don't know who's supposed to be in charge of it.
Well, we must do something for that. and and when it comes to us, I know we're all saying it because it's in this district, >> but to me it's still unfair that we don't do something for others
outside of C. >> Well, we are in CR outside of the CR because they need to know as well. They all do and I don't we do >> and I have a problem with this. So I'm
just >> Yeah, the yes we have fun donations but that all goes to donations but goes towards other things like you know fixing a hot or something. >> It's the relationship between the city and that building.
>> It was a lease. I think the city owns it, but we leased it. >> We own the land building. >> I think we own the land, but I think we leased the building. >> But we're still on it. You listening from us.
>> We can give it away. >> Basically, we didn't give it away. >> It was just like a dog for 99 years. >> Yeah. In in essence, we're sort of protecting our investment.
>> Um, we are >> you're just reversing us for the paint. >> Is that included? >> Yes, it's part of the It's part of the invoice. It's the u the paint is included. The labor to paint is included. um preparing the sophet and painting it
is included as well. >> You're not changing the awning. So >> I'm not changing we're not changing the yarn. That's a whole different >> a whole different thing. I'm just focusing on the focusing on the side right now. >> Yeah. I've got to figure out the awning situation
part of it or to it or not, but that's research later. audience have anything to say on one way or another? >> I I do. >> Please. >> And once again, Mitchell 128 North Park.
Allison is my classmate. So, it's not anything towards Allison or the women's club. >> Okay. So, don't take it because I'm on behalf of every other nonprofit organization. You have veterans. You have boys to kings, girls. You have so
many nonprofit organizations that cannot come before the city because they stated or they agreed that nonprofit organizations could could not receive funding from the on behalf of the city. And I even remember once some Miss
Landry came seeking funding for the senior citizens and they it was not approved because there was written that 501 degrees cannot receive um funding. I think that at this time the council may really want to reconsider that being
that nonprofit organizations are the heart of this community and anytime you you prevent yourselves from supporting nonprofit organizations, you're preventing services for being provided to the community that the city itself
possibly cannot provide. It is very hard receiving grant funding in rural areas for any nonprofit organizations. and this and I want to say the women's club was built in 1921 >> 14 14 >> I think 14
>> and so that that means that that time has expanded um with regards to the $1 lease as well as understanding that if you give this to one nonprofit you have to consider every other nonprofit
because if that was the case even though they're not in the CRA district it does say that nonprofits are not able to apply. So, if that's the case, you need to open it up to every nonprofit to at least attempt to present an application
and be able to be reviewed for funding because that to me will be um equally balanced when it comes to serving your community. And so, I understand that, you know, you all are in desperate need of repairs. So, as the Jurgens Community
Center and many other organizations, your other veterans, um, whatever, everyone is in need of funding and assistance to try to upkeep and rebuild these buildings after many, many years of existence and many, many year we've experienced hurricanes and we've had to
dig out of pockets to try to keep us afloat. So, um, with that being said, if you're going to consider one, I really hope that you all will consider all nonprofits in the future, even now, that you will consider maybe revisiting that
one aspect of I'm not we're not going to fund nonprofit organizations. That's just >> that decision was made when the city is off the money. >> No, actually, it wasn't. They we came before the city. Once again, this is not
to throw stones at anyone. We were given five the n the Taylor County Leadership Council was given $5,000. We did the work. We were greatly appreciative of the work that the funding that was given immediately following after receiving that particular $5,000 grant from the
city. That was when the city decided to no longer fund nonprofit organizations. They was immediately following. I have when I came on the council the city did not have money to fun. >> No, but it was a pri that vote was prior to you coming.
Yeah, that was it was made prior to you coming to >> you know the money is just not there >> but not that from outside and and I agree with you that if in this
case it should it should be open to any non we're going to open it to one should be open >> and if they want to fill out an application and got time to do it that's fine but you know >> have to be in this day >> I know legally for the CRA funds, they
do have to be in the CRA district. We are restricted on what we can distribute the funds out for. That's the only thing. Now, I'm not sure if there could be another avenue. >> That would be up to you guys. I think on, you know, if we establish some other
sort of way for them to do it, but unfortunately that CRA district was established back in 1993, I think, and it's only a select area. It's downtown basically, >> right? >> And much of downtown is is privately
owned. >> And that's the that was kind of what that's why we brought this one to council because every other application has been privately owned and not a nonprofit. And so they are privately owned and they're contributing to the tax role, which is where we're receiving
those funds from is tax role. So we're trying to essentially take some of the portion of the taxes and give it back to the community. So, it's a little iffy when they're not contributing to the tax role, but then they're getting the benefit. And that's why John wanted to bring it before you guys to make the
decision versus John and I. >> Yeah. Deciding that tax role has been Thank you so much. Thank you. >> And that was we just recent 301c3 this year. So, all this tax stuff has
been going back prior to that. So it's not because we're not just because we're 501c3 and we're exempt for paying taxes. That's not true because we're truth. But for previous years we have not paid taxes and we weren't
501c3. >> How do you get away with that? >> We were never 501c3 until this year. >> But you said you were not paying taxes. I don't I that's that's what I see on the payroll and it I guess it's because
we're a civic organization. >> The property appraiser has been listed as >> Yes. >> Anyway, Mr. N you do do me a favor. I like to tell you this in the next meeting because I want you to find out can find out for us
please if um the dream grant >> and we are under CR. >> I'm sorry. You're going to have to let me Sorry. I'm sorry. You said something. >> I was to say I'm sorry. Talking over
the legality of us even granting this to a nonprofit even if it's drain grant. I'm not sure we're I know we can't directly give money. I don't know if we can do it through the train grant. I don't know. But you can look into that and find out.
bring some answer back. I'd appreciate it. >> Yeah. >> We have the policy against it. We need to find out if we can or can't. I don't know. I just don't >> I know that what three or four years ago
we were not a 501c3 and we were awarded a grant for our signing. So that is consideration if you will. the nonprofit side is basically so
donations sake inside your building or something like that. It's not going the donation side the fundraising side when we we do tour homes and things like that. It's going to be a fire building. It's not going to fire it's going to pay our bills
forward and we'll we'll take it up the next meeting. >> All right. patience. >> You appreciate it. What? You know >> item 6K council to discuss undeveloped city lights and council name.
Yeah, I was I thought >> what council member Hampton saying this was when I asked if they could come back and check the property next to mine because
of the leaves and the trees and everything on my side. I can't even get out of my >> And she thought we had a policy. What did you say that was?
>> A policy about undeveloped property is what I thought it was. >> Yeah. >> But I heard discussions about not doing that. So that's why we needed to research it. >> Yes. But we never we all we all decided that we would let
the ordinance remain the same for whatever it is. So could you please have someone come? >> I'll let them know. >> That's what that was about. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And council member Hampton when you say
have someone come out code enforcement or >> Yes. It's already >> I thought he was already working on that. He did come out, right? >> I don't know. >> All right. We'll we'll make sure.
>> Thank you. >> 96L council to discuss proclamation from North Central Florida Regional Planning Council. Council will take any action necessary. Motion to approve second. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Landry. >> Yes. >> Okay. Agenda item 6M. Council to discuss setting dates for public hearings for mill rate and budget and council to take any action necessary.
>> Said budget hearings dates. >> Yes. And I talked to the school and the board and they have first pick for the dates. So the first our first meeting in September, the school board has their
budget hearing. So I was requesting if we would move our first first meeting in September to September 10th which is a Thursday if that works for everybody. >> So from September 8th to September 10th.
>> Yes sir. >> Okay. Same time. >> Yes sir. Is >> everybody okay with that one? >> And then our second meeting can stay the same. And next they'll be giving us information. >> Yes, ma'am.
>> When is when is the >> September 22nd? It'll be the normal next week. >> And yes, the city manager will be doing the budget at the next one. all of August and then all of September.
>> Yeah. >> Everybody okay dates? >> I do have to submit these dates to >> TR. >> No ma'am. Typically we just move. We almost always have to move because the school board and the board of county
commissioners gets first pick. >> All right. Agenda item 6N resolution 2026-25- grant application resolution of the city council of the city of Perry Florida authorizing the
submission of a rural infrastructure fund RIF or RI project implementation grant application authorizing the city manager to execute all documents provided for complex fix
and providing in effect. >> Council brson. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Item 6, resolution 2026 24 budget amendment test. Well, a
resolution of the city council amending the budget of the city of Perry, Florida for the fiscal year October 1st, 2025 through September 30th, 2026. This forest, >> this was already approved, but I was on
maternity leave, so this is just an administrative item to do the budget amendment, >> but the expense was approved. Second Brian. >> Yep. Council member Hampton. >> Yes. >> Landry. >> Yes.
>> Yes. Item 6P. Approval of minutes. June 23rd, 2026. Correction. I'll entertain motion. Second bronze. >> Yes. >> Lies.
>> Yes. >> Yes. Do you have anything? >> I did. Okay. next couple that
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