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call the July 28, 2026 city council meeting order. We're remind everybody to silence your cell phones. Miss Bonita is going to lead us an opening prayer followed by the pledge of allegiance. Most heavenly and gracious father, we

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bow our heels right now, thanking you Lord for this day. Thank you Lord for your lead, your guidance, your shielding, and your protection. Father God, Father God, keeping your hands wrapped around us as we come in and as we go out, Father God, I ask you right now to decrease each and every one of us on this program right now. You

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increasing us to make the right decisions for the city. Father God, these blessings we ask in your name. Amen. >> Amen. to the United States of America and to the republic for its under

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Welcome everybody to our meeting this afternoon please >> here >> Landry >> here >> approval of items on consent agenda

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>> I All right. >> What we received request from general public manager would like to make a statement. I'd like to address the matter of the jury's photos so that we can move forward in a constructive way. First, I want to sincerely apologize to anyone

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who was hurt or offended by the photos I took. That was never my intention and I do understand why it caused concern. At the core, I believe Miss Mitchell and I likely share the same goal, a desire to see our city strengthen, our community's history respected. My focus as your city

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manager is and will continue to be on public safety, economic development, infrastructure, and affordability for our residents. While I regret the impact of the photos, I do not regret attending a schoolboard meeting to speak about the Rockville building. That issue directly relates to several of our top priorities

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and the long-term well-being of our community. We live in a country where open dialogue is not only allowed but encouraged and I welcome that. I'm committed to working together even when we may disagree to find a solution that benefits Perry as a whole and I welcome the opportunity to collaborate with

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anyone who shares a desire move for move our city forward in a positive and respectful way. I'd also like to ask attorney Dempse to conduct an internal investigation my actions and report back to the council. Thank you, J. Thank you. >> All right. Receiving a request from the

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general public council welcomes you to this meeting. The time is set aside for our citizens and general public to address council on any matter not included on the agenda. We have anybody here that's going to speak on something that's not on the

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agenda? I think we got some young here that address. >> Hello. >> How are you? >> Good. How you doing? >> My name is Ladonna Laval. Um, my address is 7260 South Red Patrick Road. So, I'm out of the county, but my businesses are

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at 210 East Main Street. My husband Joe Laval and I both own and operate Taylor Gymnastics, Cheerleading and Dance, and Kids Corner. We also run a full-time farming operation um south of Terry. I want to let you know that my husband and I pour into the youth of Taylor County every day of the week. We absolutely

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love them and without the place that we have, I don't know what our kids would do because we're very, very limited. We offer so much different types of instruction from ballet, point, jazz, tap, lyrical, contemporary, hiphop, pre-professional dance classes,

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preschool gymnastics, recreational gymnastics, competitive gymnastics, cheerleading, and theater through. We also have a nonprofit that we re recently started because unfortunately, if you know, times are hard right now in Taylor County. You have in front of you a folder with information if you would

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like to help to the donate of the youth at Taylor Gymnastics cheerleing and dance and theater. We've also established an ambassador program that will help to help them become leaders because one day these are the future of Taylor County and we want to pour into them. We've had ladies to attend the FSU

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School of Dance that's come out of our program along with the collegiate gymnast my head instructor Jenny Jackson. This year, we're excited to send our largest junior Olympic team to Iowa. We have nine talented, hardworking, and well-rounded young ladies that will travel there to

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represent you here in Perry. We love that we have a national stage and we get to share them. At this time, if with your permission, I'd like to introduce to you the TGC DMT 2026 Junior Olympian team, artistic gymnastics, Amila Beasley. Please stand.

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Isabelle Chapman, Kimley Anderson, Williams Meda, and now for our trampoline and tumbling team, Miss Gracie Van, Herby Gerald, Hannah Styles.

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Ladies and gentlemen, we always get the bad news, but I would love to give you some good news. This is your TGC. Sorry. >> Okay. Sorry if I miss anybody. And most importantly, I want you to know that we have a top notchotch uh staff. I'd like

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to introduce you to head coach Jenny Jackson Sharky. He's not here but Lisa Jackson Blancoy Lee Taylor and Rachel Copelan. Everybody will be traveling to Iowa next week.

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Also want to take just a minute if Jody Weekes our booster club treasurer could come forward and just explain a little bit what we have going on this Friday that we'd like to invite you to. and also all posters and overalls. >> There you go. You're welcome. Thank you for your time.

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>> So this Friday, Sheriff Wayne Pades is actually hosting for our gym and Dennis a fish fry at Blue Coast Federal Credit Union. So that's July 31st where we're going to be selling plates of fish and two sides and a drink to make sure we

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can help support our young gymnast and get them to Iowa. So, because things are very difficult in Taylor County, we do have some girls who have a challenge to get there. So, we are raising funds to try to help them. There's a couple of different things we're doing. So, local businesses can apply for some banner

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fundraisers that actually allow them to um market their own business in our gym and it would stay up for a full year. And there's different levels of banners they can get. It's all um they can write it off on their business taxes all for marketing. We have a barbecue pork meal

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coming from August. Um the meal is actually on September 4th, but the ticket sales will be from August 1st to the 31st where the girls will out be out there selling all the barbecue pork dinners as well. Um Miss Styles will be taking care of the meat and getting everything set up. We have a bingo

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happening down at the Shriners and a 50/50 raffle. We're actually doing that twice, once in September and once in February. And then the girls will be doing an online auction November 6th where they actually get to um raise different donations through the

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community and then we sell them online for the girls and all the funds and proceeds go directly to their booster account which is through the nonprofit Taylor Gymnastic Booster Club and it's held in a little account for each girls to pay for their coach fees and their travels and their LEOs. So that's kind

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of that how we get there. So, just know we're always looking for donations either through our foundation or as well directly to the gymnast by participating in all of the fundraisers that we have. So, we wanted to make sure everybody was aware of those. Thank you for your time.

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That's a good day. >> Wow. >> That's the national they went to Tennessee and got those. >> Thank you, John. All right. All right.

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Thank you so much. Thank you. Anyone else like to speak on anything? Hearing and seeing no one. Move on to item five. Do we have any bids arts at this time?

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>> All right, moving on to general business. Then item 6A, council to discuss grant overview. Council to take any actions deemed necessary. Let's move that one later. We got a lot of guests here. I got to get them out that way. They got some where

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they got to be. move it right before my evaluation. >> We don't move it toward the end. We'll go to FGU next. Then item 6B council to discuss FGU directive to assist with gas meter

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project. Council will take action necessary. Good evening council council. Item 60 addresses the city of Perry's gas meter replacement project and specifically the management of that project.

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My name is Robert Graves. I'm member services manager at FGU. Also in attendance with me tonight is Alex Rodriguez, our operations specialist, and Katie Hall, our CEO and GM. Uh FGU is a nonprofit municipal joint action agency with 27 members throughout the

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state. And the city of Perry is one of those members. John, you want me to wait one second? My apologies. Get out of the way. Probably slide right now. My apologies for that. I'll start back

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with uh with who we are, which is a MGU is a nonprofit joint action agency with members throughout the state. Uh Perry being one of those members since 2001 and we provide a number of national dash services including grant writing, grant

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management, and project management. And all three of these services are currently services being provided to the city of Terry. >> Yes. raise your bar just a little bit. >> Yes, ma'am. My >> Thank you. >> That better.

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Sorry about that. Um and I think what's important to note with these services is the city of Perry pays an annual member to uh Florida gas facility and all the services are provided at no additional cost to that membership fee.

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All right. So, moving back to the grant management and project management, I want to highlight a few of FU's current asserts. The first one on there is a natural gas pipeline replacement project that's going on in the city of Milton. That is a $10 million project um replacing roughly 30 miles of pipeline.

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Um, and that one FTU was awarded project management uh responsibilities through an RFG process. Next on there is the ano bed replacement. That's uh something that we've been working with the city of Live Oak on. That one actually came u was substantially completed roughly two

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weeks ago. And finally, FDU is assisting three of our members with regular station replacement projects. And the city of Perry is one of those uh members that were assisting with that. And all these projects, well, all the projects I just discussed

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are federally funded projects which involve reporting requirements to the federal government. And with the exception of that first project, city of Milton one, uh you've assisted and drafting the grants that led to the awarding of that those federal funds.

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Uh one more project that I want to highlight for tonight is a meter replacement project for the city of Mariana. FU became the project manager for that project earlier in this year in February. And this project is similar in scope which is one of the reasons I want to highlight it here um to the project

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that's the subject of this agenda item. Uh for this project we have successfully selected a qualified vendor by meter and my modules and we've selected a qualified contractor to install this equipment. And lastly we actually held a kickoff meeting with the city in the

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apprehension entities and field related uh activity should be starting shortly. >> We're going to learn from all their mistakes. Excellent. And as I stated, the Mariana project is similar in scope to carrots project uh

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which is estimated to consist of approximately 1,516 meters and this will require third party assistance for the provision of materials and installation. Additionally, based on initial receipt here that budgets will be proportional or similar. I guess one thing I did want

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to mention is for both cities there are water replacement projects going on similar between the two. So council based on the summation of my presentation act you was recommending that you authorize the execution of a directive to Florida gas utilities to

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provide project management management services for the city's natural gas for the replacement project. That concludes my portion of the presentation. Any questions? >> I would think.

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>> Yes, sir. We can reach out to uh the vendors, start getting the quotes, and then as that moves along, we can similar to the Mariana project initiated kickoff meeting with the with the city staff. They've already given us approval to use piggyback contracts. So, push anything

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in Marian's. We're just piggyback off of what they did. Very good. >> Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. >> I need a motion to move forward with the director motion.

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>> BR. >> Yes. >> Hampton. >> Yes. >> Woodfall. Yes. >> Landry. >> Yes. Item 6 to discuss potential Anderson Columbia project. Can't really take any action

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necessary. >> It's a good whatever you want to call it. Right. >> Very good. >> So, as Robert said, I'm Katie Hall. I'm the general manager and CEO of Florida Gas Utility. I've been in front of you a couple times in the past. It's nice to see you all again. Um here's a great opportunity we want to talk about um

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that was brought before council several several years ago and it kind of set out on the back burner but I think it's a good time to revisit this project. So we're talking about a natural gas expansion to Anderson. Back in 2018 we ran a 2-in line to serve

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just their heater. They have always wanted from the get-go they wanted enough gas for the burner. That's the large load that they use that heats up all the asphalt. However, that would require significantly more gas than what your existing system, the lines out front can provide for that.

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So, we would need to run back to the gate station and run a new 6 in high density line to run to the plant. It's a little over three miles. However, this is a really good time to look at it for a couple reasons. One is it makes they're they're using more gas there. So, I think your payback period is

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better. But two is we received grant funds or the city of Perry I should say received grant funds to replace your gate station and your regulator station. And so one of part of the component of this project would be doing work at the gate station to connect in this high pressure line. We can put that into the

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grant. So it actually saves you quite a bit of money to do these simultaneously. The next slide shows you a map of how we would where we would need to run. So, your existing gate station, come down and go down um forget what road that is. I apologize. Over to the Anderson

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Columbia plant. It's about 3.3 miles. It's a fairly straight shot. There's rightway room, but it shouldn't be very complicated construction. So, it's fairly straightforward project from a construction perspective. >> Set down to 212.

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>> Is that what you know? We took off the labels trying to make it cleaner. >> Are we having to bear the house up front? >> Yes, ma'am. So, I'm going to explain. Yep. We're going to go right into cost because I know that's the million-dollar question, right? >> Yes. >> So, here's the cost estimate to run that

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three. It's roughly 3.3 miles or 17,000. So, the engineering, the labor, the material, the engineering is actually, we know what that cost would be. It's slightly higher than we were expecting only because there is a railroad crossing that that is a little bit trickier, but this includes permitting. So, that's actually a very good price to

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include the facility and going underneath the railroad. Um, the labor and the materials are an estimate based on other projects we've recently put out to bid. We just took the same cost per foot and put it in here. It's it's very u round number, but it should be very

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accurate. And then there's a 10% contingency. As you'll see, that's about a $930,000 project. So, a significant project, but I'm going to show you how that payback works. So, on the next slide, if you honor the same rates that

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they have right now for their heater, that's $5 a month customer charge and 51.54 cents per CCF. Their estimated usage based on last year is roughly 255,00 cubic feet. If you put that through on

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the estimated margin is a little over $130,000 a year in revenue to the city. That is not gas cost. That's just revenue. That's a payback of just over seven years. When I was talking with the city manager about this, he said, "Well, let's look at it if we did a fiveyear

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payback." So getting getting it as close to five years as we could. You'll see on the only thing that changed here is the rate for CCF. We added 20 cents to it. So it takes it from 51.54 to 71.54. This is just to show you that what we

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did in the past with Anderson Columbia and other cities is we give them an initial five-year term. Give them a rate like that and as soon as that five years has passed your capital investment is covered, then they go back to a normal rate. They've been very agreeable to that because they understand if the city's putting up the capital that

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they're going to need to do something to get that payback period. So we have not pitched this rate to them but at other facilities they've been agreeable. Other considerations on the next slide is what we typically do was we would send them an indicative term sheet that

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just has high level here would be a rep term. So we could say a five-year term here's what that would look like. Additionally credit requirements. So, at other locations, Anderson Columbia has been willing to provide a letter of credit that covers the capital investment and then as they pay back

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over that payback period, it decreases year-over-year. So, for instance, they're going to cover it and then if they use more gas than they expect, that might get paid off in four years. If they don't use as much gas you or they decide to close down, you can pull on that line of credit, cover your capital investment. No harm,

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no foul. You still have the pipeline of credit. So you're not financially at risk u with a capital investment. Additionally, this is not a dedicated line to Anderson Columbia. So if you were to have other customers that would connect into the line, that helps pay that um even quicker. So this is just

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assuming they're the only customer line. The next slide is similar to what Robert just presented to you from a project management perspective. This is something FGU does lots of these gas man expansion projects. So, we can do complete turnkey. I know you guys have a lot going on. This is something we're happy to take off your plate at no

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additional cost. So, we will secure engineers, perform the design services, acquire the permits, again, including the railroad, which is a little bit tricky. We can select contractors, put it out for bid, we can acquire materials, and manage day-to-day instructions. So, you can be as involved

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as much as you want, or we can just call you when there's a problem, and we'll bring you a solution to it, but we'll just bring you when you need to be involved. Otherwise, we hand you over a fully completed project and you just start generating revenue. >> So, our recommendation tonight is to

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approve this gas expansion and authorize FGU to be your project manager on this question. >> We're going to abandon that 2 in line. >> No, it would be supplemental. You you

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still serve other it just runs back on that map. I don't know if you could pull that up. It's just across the road. It's only It's basically that little tiny portion there from the main road up to Anderson Columbia. I would I would recommend leaving it in there just in case it's a it's a redundancy and you just close the

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valve if you need it or need to, but they'll connect into the same meter set at the same location into Anderson Columbia. How much more volume are we? Maybe that how much more volume. >> So a six inch line I don't know if I put

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that on here. U I do have the max MCF that that line can handle. This would be this load would be roughly half at the max hourly rate. So on a normal day you would have more space on that. It's only if they have the plant shut down and they have to u turn it on. They'll use

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more gas initially. You >> say something about the insurance policy too or is that the line of credit? >> That's the line of credit. >> They got out of business. They're not going to have a line of credit anymore. >> You pull on that. So they pay for it and it's sitting there in your name. So that's how we did it in Lake City. So

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then if they which they're not a business, but if they do go out of business, that's when you turn that in and then you actually use you that is earmarked for the city of Perry. >> Anybody ever pl the money at a low cost, pay it back with the actual payback, not tie up their own cash?

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>> Yes. >> That option, >> of course. In five years, you you're going to be makingund >> 132 >> 132,000 a year in profit.

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Why pay four and you're making profit? I do it. But I think y'all should direct me into looking into finding a low interest loan. do it. I don't know how

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we got any questions. I'll entertain motion. to move forward. Sorry question. [clears throat] >> Good afternoon. >> Carl Padet, 413 Worley Way. Um, just a

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quick question. I'm curious. Why wouldn't Anderson Columbia pay for a dedicated line, not put cost burden on the city, and the city make revenue off their gases? When I got the city to come give me a quote to run a gas from my general rack through the other side of my house, it's $22 a foot that I had to

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put. Why are we subsidizing the business? Was very profitable to pay tax payers dollars to give that to a company to subsidize they're going to be here in five years. They could relocate and now you're sunk a million dollars with no

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that's my >> I can answer part of that if you'd like. U part of that is generator usage is very sporadic which is very common for a lot of these cities to require that on a homeowner if unless they put other gas appliances that we know they're going to

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get a payback if we don't have any hurricanes near the reason for that generator to turn on that line could take 20 years to pay back if ever and a lot of times the generators might not even be um used at that point that's just to just to answer that to you um not picking on you telling you that is

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very standard um on the other hand with Anderson Columbia they do have other alternative fuels. Um, and for a large user with a 5-year payback, that is always a good investment. The city, they're not in the business of running gas lines. They're not in the business of operating maintaining them. The city is this is the service they provide. Um,

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this would require several large residential neighborhoods to offset or to generate the same amount of revenue that you will generate from one customer. And it is not a dedicated line, which is also beneficial to any growth that you experience. You can run neighborhoods off of it. you can run

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other commercial load. Um, >> just to give a little clarification. Very good point. I I appreciate that. >> One one more quick question. You did say there was a 2in dedicated line already there. Correct. >> It's not dedic It's not a dedicated line. It's a 2 in service line >> which is just like a service line that runs to your house just for commercial.

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>> So there's already gas there for the residents in that location. Correct. >> Um to some degree yes. But it's a 2inch line. So it's limited. So that would get a new neighbor comes in that has generators that would not >> I'm all for spending money to make money. Yeah.

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>> But if you need gas paid for gas the city >> I'm guessing they pay for line it will be just there. >> Correct. >> Attach into it for anything else. >> Correct. >> Or sell gas anybody else.

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>> Correct. And then you also have to trust them to operate and maintain it safely as connected into it. >> How long has this project been going in Lake City? >> We did that in

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15 I believe. Okay. Mariana also has a facility. We work with Anderson Columbia quite a bit. Okay. Everyone see what you say? Sorry, I can't

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>> hold on. I couldn't hear. Somebody's better speak. I can't. >> My name is Kina Edwards. I'm from 212K tribe. And if subdivision, I'll roll. The thing I want to know is any have you brought any of that

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information with you to actually show from other cities how that work, the benefits of it, the payback from it, how it works, how the nations work that way to performance. We see evidence this is kind of the evidence, right?

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Because every city is slightly different. The the cost of the line that it's different mileage, it's different. It's a it's a it's the exact same calculation we do just on those specifics. So the payback period, the rates, all of that. This is based on those cities.

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>> Yeah. So I understand that. But it still does not give us evidence of the app. You're telling us what it will do. You're not telling us what it has done. >> No, it has done. I mean based based on their usage, that's what this is. We know what these plants run because they're they're an existing plant.

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They're just using diesel and they're using fuel oil. So we know exactly how much they burn. We converted it then to gas. So these are real numbers. These are not hypothetical. This is how much that plant actually burns. And so it also says

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um how it affects like he just asked about the line and how much performance is. Is that included based on the interest of the line and the performance of the globe? Is that included? I'm sorry. Can you keep clarify I don't understand. You said there's a connector

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line, right? A line that's already there that you're going to connect it to. >> Um, we're gonna we're running it from the gate station. We're going to run a new line because the one right now is like 2 in. That's not enough to serve a load. So, we need to run a 6 inch line, which is much bigger. And you can't

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connect a 6 inch into a 2 inch, right? That's bottleneck. So, we have to run up to the gate station and run a brand new sixinch line down. So, it'll parallel a lot of that 2 inch line. >> Okay. So then we'll connect them so it'll be looped so that you just have more available gas on that whole

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section. >> So it just won't work anymore. >> No, it will. So everybody hooked into the 2 in will remain into the 2 in, but we'll connect them so that you just have additional ability. So like on a really cold day, people or generators kick on if they're pulling from the 2 in. The 6 in will supplement the 2 inch.

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>> But you said you can't 6 in. >> You can connect them. You can't. It can't be two inch feeding just a six inch, right? But you can connect them to like the six inch is still going to run that whole thing. It'll be connected. It can be connected with a two inch as an additional um pressure.

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>> Which was my answer question. You have evidence of showing how that works and how that benefits in previous neighborhoods and previous. >> Yes. I mean that's that's just flow rate analysis. So we know like we know how much pressure is in that line and we know what it requires to maintain that

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pressure. >> And how many people have been using it consecutively? >> Um well your 2 in is not having any problem serving the customer load. So we we have so we don't what is existing now

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is irrelevant I guess on this. This is just giving you more growth expansion. You don't have a problem right now with your existing load. This is just giving the ability to grow new customers. Okay. >> So, Anderson's using all they're going

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to use >> right now. >> Yes. >> No, they would like to use a lot more. We can't get them enough. >> That's what I'm getting at. They want to They want They want to buy more gas. >> Yeah. They buy a lot more. >> We can't sell it to them before we get >> Correct. We can't get enough gas to

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them. They want to buy a lot more than what we're able to get to them right now. >> The 2 in is not enough. >> Is not enough. Correct. And it's lower pressure. So, it's lower pressure and it's just a um just a small diameter, right? So, we're going to do a larger diameter and a higher pressure so we can get a lot more gas there. So, we're if

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you're going to invest that money, invest it for growth opportunity on top of it, not just to meet the need because then you're going to be in the same boat in the future. And in case another business sign could be located in that area.

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>> Exactly. >> Exactly. And you can see in that area there is a lot of vacant land. That would be a good place for a larger area. So you would be set up and that would be a good selling point to them. >> Yeah, it's a really ideal location.

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John, what did you suggest? Let me >> look into getting the low cost. Put the line in. It's a no-brainer. This similar what we did with the apartment complex. We're not collecting property taxes for the first five years

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and then 75% the next five years. This is the same thing for the first five years. We're just not collecting revenue off of it to make revenue for year six and beyond. You're not making or going to zero until the loans paid off. >> You'll lose a little bit of interest, but over the five years, but

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>> this will be zero income until the loans paid off. Yes, sir. Come on. Come back up, please. >> Given the new information, could we perhaps uh get Anderson Columbia into a contract that if they leave that area in the first five years, they put the rest

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bill. >> You got it. I when I heard it said over >> correct you are protected and and they they understand right cities can't risk a capital investment without that

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protection they're reasonable >> it's going to cost >> the whole project is roughly 930 34,000 is our best estimate. Also, we would true it up once we have actual costs. >> It'll lay right along with the other

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right away. >> Yeah, they will right away. >> [clears throat] >> have any questions or comments like comment as much as they Yeah, >> I wish I knew that answer. What I would I don't know. I would guess that Anderson Columbia built that facility.

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Do you know how long they've been there? It might have been their you know years, >> right? Yeah. >> That's even worse. We should have put a gas around the >> It's somebody doing something, but they don't have a

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clue what they're doing. I I wasn't here when those decisions were made. Otherwise, I would I would be able to explain the thought process. >> Anyway, any more any more discussion or questions? So, I'm going to take a

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motion loan. I have to bring that back to you anyway. >> Okay. We're not any thoughts. >> It's giving me the go ahead to move forward with work on the project. A motion for that.

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>> Everybody agree with that. >> He's just dream first to get it out of here. Okay, I guess. >> Great. Thank you. Okay. [clears throat]

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The goodness is good news. the fine good news. >> There you go. >> And if anybody else would like their good afternoon, good evening. [clears throat] >> Thank you all very much for having me.

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Oh, give me your Here we go. Okay. So, this is our 2026 City of Perry preliminary tax ro presentation. I if y'all have any questions um during this whole entire presentation, please

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stop me and I'll be glad to answer any questions that you may have. This year we've got 76% of our total taxable value is real property and 23%

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is tangible property. And as y'all are very aware, real property is the buildings and the land that sit on the actual properties. And the tangible personal property is the equipment used for businesses. >> The centrally assessed

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>> centrally assessed. Yes, ma'am. Thank you for asking. So that's the 0.1% and essentially assessed is the railroad lines. So that is also assessed with the tax roll and we get that information from department of revenue each year.

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Okay. We have the 2026 real property taxable value breakdown on page three. The majority of your tax ro is approved residential property and 32% is commercial. So you have a good healthy commercial base then the

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rest is uh agricultural and vacant residential and other and so uh so yes majority of your uh tax role for real property is improved residential page four

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out of those residential properties that we talked about you have 60% are homestead exemptions 40% are not. And so that is also um an interesting pie chart to pay attention to as the uh

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the uh proposed amendments come up and um what those numbers would actually look like for y'all. That would be 60% >> of 60%. Um and of course that's not the entire tax base. It's just a portion of

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this. So, I think the first year, if it does pass, the first year would go up to $150,000 exemption, and then the next year would be a $250,000 exemption. So, okay. So, page five, we have the 2026

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City of Perry taxable value by type and real property totals. The total changes for this year was 28,385,358 which was an increase of 10% a little over 10%. Intangible personal property that change went down 24 million to67

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$640 uh for around -20.9%. And as most of you know uh that that's business equipment and uh we we have appreciation for business equipment. So um each year if we do not have uh

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investments new equipment that number will continue to go down. So that makes a total change of cost of4 million17,718 for a total percentage increase of 1.1%. Page six, city of car taxable value trends for

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2016 to present. That's uh pretty self-explanatory and pretty pretty consistent uh with what we've seen throughout Florida, especially through the real estate boom um from 2019 onward. Page seven is the value of new

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construction tren trends. I thought this was very interesting and good for y'all to see um that for many years it was very consistent around the same value and then this year with the new apartments it went to 20,687,135.

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So, of course, that's not that's not just the apartments. That's the total of new construction for the whole uh incorporated city. But um but the total is 20 million and majority of that is uh is the apartments.

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Uh one more thing, Miss Carly kind of wanted me to walk y'all through uh the roll back rate and why that looks so different. And if we could stick with that screen, John, it's going to paint the picture more clearly.

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So, of course, I'm not usually one to talk about um millage rates because that's not what I do. I do the values, y'all do the miller rates. But Carly kind of wanted me to just, you know, talk about the process, the trim process, and why that roll back rate is going to be so much higher this year

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than it usually is. Let me pull up my notes because we don't do this every day. So roll back rate is a number required by Florida's troop and millillage law and it gives the public a consistent point of comparison. In simple terms, it

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answers the question, what millage rate would produce approximately the same property tax revenue revenue from the existing tax base as last year after removing this year's net new t taxable value. So, in other words, what would

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that what would the military be to give us what our values were last year without that huge increase of $20 million? Because they want to show the public what it would look like if that if that net new wasn't a part of it. What if it was last year? What would that mill rate

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look like? So, um, and I'll kind of continue on. So, for the city of Perry, the total taxable value for operating purposes increased from 378 million last year to 382 this year. However, this year's role includes that $20 million in

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net new taxable value. So, the trim calculation removes that net new value for purposes of the roll back comparison. So, that is why you're looking at a roll back rate of 6.1077 mills this year when last year year's

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adopted rate was 5.8336 mills. The important point is that a higher roll back rate does not by itself mean the city is raising taxes and it does not mean anyone's rate has already been set. It reflects the statutory comparison required when a large share

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of this year's increase in the tax ro comes from a new value that is excluded from the roll back calculation. Did everybody grasp that? >> Sure. [laughter] >> Yeah. So, so Carly, most importantly,

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Carly, did you grasp that? Yeah. Okay. Because Carly can can sit down and really break down what that means. But the reason that she really kind of wanted me to hone in on it was because we haven't really seen an increase like that, a new construction increase like

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that in a in a long time. So, um, that's why that millage rate would have looked differently and why y'all have to, you know, vote on that accordingly. So, any other questions? Did you touch on what that happened? Thanks.

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>> I did not, but I'm glad that you asked uh because we did produce these numbers for the legislature uh right when they started talking about this. And if y'all's, let's see, if it did pass, the city of Perry, just the first year, 2027

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is the first year that it would go through is uh $150,000 exemption for all your homesteaders in the city. And the difference of revenue would be around $474,000 each year. And then the proposal, of course, um it

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is proposed to go the next year to $250,000 and that would look closer to $556,000. >> That was correct. >> Correct.

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So, so of course, you know, huge help for homeowners, but uh and I did look into the fiscally constrained counties. Um so, for counties that are fiscally constrained, like Taylor County, um they put in the I believe they put in this

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proposal to cover fiscally constrained counties uh that had that revenue loss based off of an amendment. So, we already have that. So right now, based off of the 2008 amendment, any loss that we had from those exemptions, the state

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covers us, the county, 95%. So they included that language in this. I'm almost positive they included that language. >> I think they took out very >> Did they take it out? >> I thought they Okay, I'm just going to double check on it, but um but the last time I checked,

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I really thought that they did, but like last day >> last day. Okay. So no. Um Anyway, didn't but >> it was it was fine. >> Yeah. So, and it would what I was going to say was it's not included in the

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city. So, it even though you're inside of a fiscally constrained county, that money does not come to the city. So, >> right. So, just thoughts, but um but yes, those would be the numbers if you uh if it did pass. And yes, any other

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questions? Thank you. Just give me a call. Our office is always here to help if you ever have a few questions. >> Thank you. >> Any other There's somebody here for D as well. >> Discuss green and council me.

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Hey, Mulla 2315 Morgan Wooden Road. I'm the secretary of the women's club. I thank you. I understand all the uh things you talked about last time and um I don't want to take away anything from you Jordies or any of the other

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nonprofits. I understand that nonprofits aren't covered. just wanted to thank you for considering uh our request for the last several months and um uh

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there's not much else to say. Uh Perry Women's Club uh found Jefferson uh we took a hit in the hurricane. It looks it looks bad, but we're working on it. The club owns the building. The city owns the land. We take care of all the

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maintenance. our funds are tight, but I know all funds are tight, but we just wanted to thank um Mr. Hart and all of you for um at least considering uh all thanks. >> Right. It was my last meeting. We're

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waiting for Mr. Hart to come back. >> Well, table I'm sorry, but you were talking about uh it's not it's there's been no decision. They tabled it for today. I was asked if you wrote this um if you

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would just >> Sure. Um, at the last city council meeting, I was directed to research the the CRA grant that provides the funds for the dream grant um to see if there

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was any disqualification or prohibition from for civic or nonprofit organizations to receive funding um through this grant. I looked at it especially through CRA funding period primarily because the CRA funds are

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accumulated through property taxes or also taxes that are going towards property and since nonprofits and civic organizations mostly did not have to pay those taxes um you know I was vested with that opportunity to research what I

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found is that the Florida law does not disqualify a civic or nonprofit organization merely because of its taxes zip status and does not itself or the fact that it does not itself contribute avalorum taxes to the CRA trust fund.

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However, under the dream grant guidelines and we did adopt we being the city of Perry did adopt the the um dream grant guidelines as purported by the state without any changes. Um, presently under that dream grant, the Perry

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Women's Club eligibility depends primarily on whether its property qualifies as being used for commercial, mixed use, or active ground floor commercial purposes. In other words, the tax exemption status is not the legal standard for who gets um these

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particular grants. the current program's commercial use restriction is. I know there was discussion as well as I believe in two meetings discussion of the Perry's Women Club being a rental property for events. I think one of the

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descriptions was reunions. You know, I think pretty much um they gave a list mostly of the space being used to host events that can be done private or rented by private individuals and organizations. So my recommendation

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regarding conclusion that the women's club is not disqualified. They can be reviewed although it still be up to the city council um just because of their nonprofit status. It really is looking at um what the particular um

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contribution would be regarding commercial or mixed use um um facilities for the public good. I wanted to note that um if the property operates as an active rental event or mixed civic

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commercial facility, it may be reasonably it reasonably qualifies under the existing guidelines. Um and so that was sort of like the big question. And um one of the things that I did note and

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all that long stuff I sent you all was that um although the particular grant we adopted or the plan the CRA plan that we adopted was directly from the state um we did as a local matter create the

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application. And I just want to note that one of my suggested remedies regardless of what you may decide as to um this present application just in general um I would suggest that the council take the opportunity since this

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has been brought forth to clarify whether or not um as a local governing body if you all want to prohibit civic or nonprofits. That is very different because the grant does provide that the

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local body, the CRA board which is city council could change guidance as long as it's the change is amended for the overall public good and doesn't go against what the state prohibits. Like if they prohibit something, you can't then say, "Oh no, this is for religious

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organizations only." But you can create a definition as to what serves um in the capacity of mixeduse commercial um uses. But I just want to know on our application locally. Um it does say

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business lane and it's followed by if applicable. So that may suggest that a business is not always required. Um but I think most notably under the application which is not in the law regarding the grant the applicant may

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select commercial as a use mixed use or other and then it gives a line to describe it which may suggest that well it does suggest that you don't have to have commercial mixed use based on our our local application but I just wanted

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to note that um that it that even though that could suggest that generally we don't override the substantive eligibility restriction contained in the grant. So I just wanted to note that that um there's other clarities that can go into the application by this council.

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There doesn't have to be an ordinance but you know if you all wanted to take the other off for instance so there's no confusion about the type of uses that the applicant would have to apply. That may be one way to help with

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that. Um, and so it's really up to you all to determine if you feel like this property, um, this applicant or any other applicant, nonprofit or not, if it does classify as um, a property that has

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commercial or mixed use. Um, and again, I suggest that you clarify at least in the application or by your vote if you want to amend your guidelines to

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prohibit nonprofits or allow nonprofits. Here's an example of the suggested language. may be eligible participants include owners or authorized tenants of qualifying commercial mixeduse, civic, cultural,

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charitable or nonprofit properties located within the Perry community redevelopment area. So again, the defining jurisdiction is the CRA area. Um and to make it clear that um

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properties exempt from advant tax taxation shall not by itself render the property ineligible. Um, so it's like language like that that may assist in people understanding what the city council intent would be, but you can decide if you want to revise that or at

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least at the very um at the very minimum clarify um if there is some type of change you want based on the nonprofit aspect of the business. And my last point, which I almost say with trepidation because I'm not trying to

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create another issue, but not making it based on the women's club application alone. The question that may just be on another agenda in the future is what if a charitable civic

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nonprofit applies and has no commercial or mixed use? they don't rent out you know because right now as a grant reads there is no guideline regarding that I'm not saying we need one the grant doesn't

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provide one but I know at the minimum the discussion to city council me city council meetings ago was whether or not a nonprofit could participate and then it was whether or not the last week whether the guidelines

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for the grant prohibited it. So the answer to that is yes, a nonprofit can based on the grant the lines can participate and yes um a nonprofit could apply if like any other applicant

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there's a commercial or mixed use. >> Who makes the final decision on this? >> Well, as city as a city council, you make the final decision as to as the CRA board who receives any of the money they applied for. That's your decision. And

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what I was asked to do was clarify, is there anything from the law preventing you from granting it to a nonprofit? So, I'm saying the law says no, there's nothing preventing, but it's your decision. Well, I made when when that decision was made

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that we were not going to support nonprofits, [clears throat] my understanding of it was that we were not going to take our funds that we really didn't have at the time and and try to help out the nonprofits. To me, these are not our

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funds. They're coming from somewhere else inside. And if somebody has applied for them then then I think we can decide out of all the applications who gets it. But I don't have any problem with it. I

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said even though we have that ordinance I don't feel like it pertains to money that we're getting from outside. Does that make sense? >> Yes. It's coming from a it's coming from a particular geographic area the use in

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that particular geographic area. >> Well, that plus is it's a is it a state gr? >> No, it's go ahead. >> It's coming from 32 years ago now. They stopped the taxes for the downtown area. Anybody in that downtown area, your

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taxes froze. Everything that goes up above that as your values went up goes into the CRA, city taxes and county taxes. So it is the people in the CRA are the ones contributing to the CRA. >> Okay. >> And I I've been approving them as they if they meet the eligibility of our

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criteria that we've laid out. I've been approved. This one was kind of on the fence to me and they asked for a second opinion. Y'all are the CRA board. So I've said I'd bring it to y'all. >> Yeah. >> We've already approved six or seven of it, but this one was just a little bit >> Nobody else has applied for it this year.

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>> Yeah. We've appreci forget all this profit and nonprofit. >> Okay. >> The city owns that building >> and we are charged with maintaining the building equipment and whatever of the city.

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>> Yeah. I thought we only own the land. >> We only land they own the building. >> We own the building. You own the land. We own the building. Right. But it is, in my opinion, it is an effort to protect

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our property. Even though it's it's taking care of the building, it's still an asset and it's it's a move in the right direction to protect our property. >> Long as it's legal, I'm fine with it. >> I want to make sure.

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>> Is that legal? >> It's It's definitely legal. There's nothing prohibiting that. >> Okay. My only thing is nothing against the women's club. >> I have a problem with that. We're just going and looking for grants just for Uptown. It's not fair to the other

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nonprofit or however you want to put it that they don't never get anything back from us. You see what I'm saying? That's very unfair to other nonprofits. It's like we keep giving and giving of time, but we're not trying to do anything in other districts. So that that is that is where my problem come in at.

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>> But is it earmarked for downtown? You we >> I've asked John multiple and multiple times. I know if we got one grant going, we can't have another one going over here. But I've asked them multiple times and other city managers to look for something in other areas that we can get

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because everybody's having hard times. It's just not one area. >> Right. So I know there are merchants outside of the city. The downtown city limits. They're still in the city, but they're not in the core. And they were never included. And they were not happy about

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>> I believe you can have multiple CRAAS within a city. >> I was totally clear. I think you can. >> You told me you could in the previous one telling me that you could. I remember. You don't remember me and you had that conversation? >> It's a whole lot of work when you don't make the money for the first 10 years.

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It's that increase that goes into the CRA itself. And I understand that drawing, but it's the fairness. Let me look. >> Absolutely. >> Now, as it relates to the CRA district. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I heard you, but I didn't know. I apologize.

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>> Really quickly um regarding just this particular pot of money from the CRA trust um that is being funneled through the state. I understand um that what does make it different is it is in the district, it's downtown. all the things you all have noted. Um, council member

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Landry, um, am I looking back at what was stated or said, cuz I actually haven't seen that it says that the city can't support nonprofits. I think the discussion was cannot donate money to nonprofits.

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What probably it keeps butdding up against that there are certain institutions, there's certain um, organizations that institutionally have had support. For instance, the women's club, they've had a lease for 100 years plus. So there is

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in fact arguably an inind donation of sorts, but it's been ratified through the way the land was allowed. You see the same thing with Boys and Girls Club. You see, so those who have been here longer with longer institutional support

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are receiving some could argue inind donated support. But if you have not had that support, then what I understand um is that whenever that discussion was made that this time we don't have the budget, we're not supporting um

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nonprofits or charitable, we're not doing charitable giving. I think the words were we're not a charity. So donations, those newer organizations that don't have the institutional support did not enter a lease in with the city to have something for a dollar

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for 100 years. They look at these types of movements even though it's not being funded by the city. >> They look like, well, how we can't go back in time and get this support. So, you know, but I don't know that this answers that. But it may be something based on what the council may desire

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that we should look into whether or not as as council member Landry go back to that question of what's the intent. It was never meant to just I guess from what I'm hearing to just eliminate any support potential to nonprofits, but

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that's how it's come off in the last few years. And that may be >> again it won't answer the CRA thing because the CRA is not going to change it in downtown. But maybe there needs to be even if we have no money in the future if we come on a windfall that we have other nonprofits and civic

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organizations who may believe that they could come to the council with a request that if it serves the public interest and we have the money and all the great things that maybe it doesn't become like a prohibition I can't go up there because they don't do that and that may

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be sort of again not answered by this application to CR but maybe something in the future if the council inclined that we may need to look at. But I know it's hard to budget when there's no money. So these grants do provide money and

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>> everyone is welcome to give get us some grants for the city so that we can answer those questions. Yes. >> Thanks for one thing. The state meant when it said that we

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would not support nonprof. It wasn't because we didn't have fun. It was because an organization came before us for

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veterans and that was Jerkins gave Jerus and from then on it was we would not do this for anyone. That was the reason

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for that policy. Now we do need to go back and reassess that because I think it's kind of doesn't look good on what we had. But anyway, that's all I wanted to say.

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We did it when we said you're welcome. Now, do we need to vote? Sorry for again drive. I have a question. I kind of understand you come to the podium on the

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recording. They can't hear you. >> Hi, I'm Regina Edwards and I'm 212. I have a question. I understand that in this it was for downtown. It was meant for downtown to keep it up, right? I get that. And you're saying that you intentionally

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said what you said and now you see that it needs to be reconsidered. >> That's not scary. >> I understand that. But just stay with so but >> that's why I said that's why I said in

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the beginning I understand that this funding >> is for the downtown. Let me restate that again. I understand that this grant is for the downtown funding and upkeep. Okay, now that I said that, that's not separate.

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>> Okay. What I'm saying is you just made a statement that what happened >> that you are not a charity and going against nonprofits, but now it needs to be reooked in. Can you do it and do it

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without discrimination? and can you then make up a grouping a council to find the means to do it? And so it doesn't, like you said, look bad against the city. It becomes an initiative to make a move instead of

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just consider it and bring it before a council meeting. There needs to be some action behind it. I'd like to see that and I'd like to see it soon. Would you like to your utilities double? >> I don't think it takes Let me tell Let

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me say this. >> I want to see the money that Florida Powers putting in and then I'll discuss that with you. You tell me the money. >> Florida Power. >> Um, what's Duke Energy? >> Duke Energy. Thank you. Show me money that Duke Energy is putting into

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nonprofits and we'll talk about that. He brought it to me. I didn't expect that to do with what >> I didn't bring it to me. >> If I can interrupt just here talk about the dream grant for for the women we can

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judge it for another and I would all I'm saying about it. I mean we >> you know I I what I'm saying is it doesn't have to be a long conversation. What I'm saying is I'm putting it since was caught up. I'm putting it before you. >> Sure.

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>> Seeing that, hey, I I I live here. You see the problem. You see that there are problems going on. This rant is proving that there's a problem. That's the point that this is a foundation of proving that there's a problem. That's why I brought it up

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>> because as she just stated, if there were greater clarification even on this grant, there wouldn't be so many issues. >> Okay. >> So that's why I brought it up. >> Thank you. >> And so that's what I'm asking since you see the complications with that and you

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see the issue then helping with the issues will solve the issues that's dealing with this grant that won't have a future issue. it would be solved instead of just a sol.

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>> Yes, ma'am. >> Yes, ma'am. >> I think if there have been just another sentence that may have said if funds allow. >> Yes.

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and people. >> Yes, you do understand what I'm saying that there's a foundation for my point. My point doesn't come out of right or left field that there's a reason for my comment and it's because of the glare and the conversation that we're having.

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I'm not saying we sit here and converse about it for five 15 minutes. I'm saying listen to me. Take it aside. You discuss from your personal individual time and come up with a solution and then you bring it back and I'm more than willing to get up and talk about it anytime.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Any more discussion about the train anyone council? Now there's animation motion to

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follow the >> I will second it because of clarifications that we >> that's a motion to follow the guidelines of not donating to nonprofit. the guidelines

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>> based on attorney's opinion I believe >> that the guidelines does not prohibit a nonprofit. So you all would still you still have to decide if the person or applicant could get it. But there's no prohibition against nonprofits um applying as long as there's a

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commercial or mixed use which is what following the guidelines. I just wanted >> Is that what you mean by that? What did >> grant for women? Right. >> Brian,

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>> yes. >> Hampton, >> yes. >> No. >> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes. May. >> Yes. 6. Council to discuss modular homes in the city limits and council will take

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the action necessary. I requested on the agenda and I guess I just need to stadium 348° South Parkway and to answer your first question, putting

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mobile homes on your city property is uh not what we're doing that we're putting modular homes which if you read your LDRs and your actually land codes, it specifically states that modular or site drill homes be placed on

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these properties. So you'll look at the paperwork that you've been presented with. You'll see the full set of blueprints that comes for these homes in the back. You'll see your DBPR sticks in the very be the last page back last pack

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of paper staple together. Um, these are 150 mph certified houses. They're modular homes. Um, >> what are you mean? L.

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>> Yeah, they're 150 mph certified stamp blueprints built. They're built >> code manufacturers. Yes, >> they're built by Florida building code is not >> manufactured homes are built to HUD code

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>> which is not Florida building code. >> So you get either a wind zone one, two, or three. Wind zone one homes are not allowed in the state of Florida. Wind zone 2 homes are built to 100 mph wind code which is what Taylor County allows for a manufactured home. Wind zone 3

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homes are built to 110 mph. >> When you say three homes, you mean category three? >> Wind zone three. No category three. So in manufactured housing, you had a wind zone two or a wind zone three >> zone >> just zones >> wind clarify wind zone

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>> just one of the that's a data plate that's stamped on the inside of a manufactured home. It says wind zone two for a wind zone 3. There's a sheet in there that's going to give you that data as well. >> Yep. Right here it's got state Florida on it. >> Wind zone 2 is what is standard in

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Taylor County. That's what you guys are true for the countywide. The areas inside your city limits that do allow manufactured housing, they only require a song to home. >> How old is this map?

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>> That is a current map. >> What areas inside the city do allow? where >> so Taho Heights uh subdivision over that area if you're in there's a lot of your area inside your city limits that still allow manufactured house

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>> residential single family mobile home >> I know there's one town that's been there for years >> so I mean I actually I'm currently under construction right now I've got probably I think seven properties right

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now that we're doing inside the city limits. We're developing the 55 acres on 221 North. >> Okay. I wondered what was going in there. >> Yes. So, we've got 55 acres right there that we're developing that's inside your city limits as well. Um that's the one that's being cleared right now. >> Yeah, that's the one that's being

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cleared right now that we're intending to put probably upwards of I don't know there should be 75 80 home sites once we get all of the development and uh civil work done. And where is this? 221 north on the west side across from Dollar General.

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It's actually um either or. So half of the subdivision falls in manufactured, half falls in mod. >> One question that as far as for me to understand and that's the reason you're here today

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is that having to be put on permanent foundation. Explain to me what that means. Okay. So that is lingo that people automatically assume is is what it is. What it has to be done is it has to be put on a

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engineered foundation. So it goes through an engineer which you also have a copy of in your file. Actually Miss Wood's looking at it on your right hand side. Right hand side of your paper on the right. I know you covered it up right there. Yep. See, that's got a

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stamp on it from a Florida licensed engineer to design that foundation that you nor I nor anybody else in the state can override. I have to build that foundation for what he says it has to be. [clears throat] So once a once an engineer or architect, one of these guys comes and says, "This

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is how we're going to fasten this home to the ground," that's what I have to do. >> So it can look different. A man a manufactured modular unit has specific ways that plumbing hooks up, electrical

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hooks up, HVAC units hooked up that if you set them flat on a uh the way they're building them nowadays, if you set them flat on a slab, you can't hook up AC duck work underneath it. You can't run your plumbing pipes out from underneath it. you know, they they're building a factory controlled

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environment that sometimes uh you just can't put them on flat sides. >> Is that the way it used to be? >> Back long a long time ago when mods first started coming out. This was developed for areas. Modular construction was initially developed for

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areas that only have three or four months of availability to build outside >> way up in the very cold climates where they wouldn't build homes, but three or four months a year. So as modular construction got popular there it kind of trickled down to everybody else. So

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here we built them in a way now that it's just not conducive to put them on flat slabs. >> So >> So you're doing cord peers. >> No it's dry stack dry stack column what the engineer stamps and seals and sends

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to me. I get I get an email that with a set of plans that says build this foundations. Okay. I send that to the build department. Build department approves them with the plans and that's what we do. So that they they set up

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concrete blocks just like the mobile >> just like a manufactur fasten to the ground puts >> and then close it >> just I think I'm confused think I'm supposed

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to cuz I say it every every month that I that has been in our community. So for years I don't remember being up on the blocks

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and again I could be wrong just a little bit more. Well, we went I went through this right after Hurricane Michael hit for St. Joe. We had a customer that came and bought a

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home from us that the city council said, "No, you can't do that house. We don't accept these modular homes in our city." He actually hired an attorney. And a modular home is a modular home. It

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doesn't matter what I think a modular home my it the code doesn't say. What does Mr. Morrison's vision of the modular home's aesthetic values and the beauty of it or what it sits on and how it's fastened to the ground or any of

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that look like is plus sight homes are available to be put on this piece of propert. The code reads modular homes or sight bill homes >> 150 C modular or site bill. So >> what's the difference between a modular

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and a site built? I thought >> one's built in a factory and brought to the property completed and then put together minutely, you know, certain things finished. >> What's that? >> They follow two completely different

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building codes. My so my if I do a manufactured home it follows HUD code. HUD is the federally recognized building code. You have you have 20 states that don't have state building codes. They follow HUD

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code. Okay. HUD HUD came up with a building code because places like Montana, places like Wyoming, these people that don't have the population that demand a particular state organized building code. They, the federal government says, okay,

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this is going to be the federally recognized minimum code. You as the state of Florida, if you want, you can go above and beyond this, but you have to minimally build to hood. When you do section 8 housing,

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when you do stuff that doesn't have to follow local Florida code, we do that on a budget, right? We build much less expensive housing, but we can follow HUD code instead of Florida building code. >> That's when you see the ship program. >> Correct. Well, you not necessarily

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because program a lot of times follow most time you're going to follow Florida building code. Okay. But there's >> other types of of housing that you can develop and build through HUD code. >> Okay. >> January >> and January I mean in January we got that bill in here anyway. I mean it

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specifically says that you guys need to address your planning and zoning departments before January 1st before your home and land owners and their attorneys do it for you. That's and that's in the bill that came. It says that that the state

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representatives put out. It says our recommendation to local municipalities is that you address the verbiage says you need to address your local planning and zoning departments before your land owners and their attorneys do it for you. We got

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>> you got that bill 39 >> because as of on March the 27th, 2025, the state of Florida passed a law that says any piece of property that allows a single family residence.

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Let me let me say that again. any piece of property that allows a front door that has a single family residence that my family or his family or any of these people's family can open up and walk in and live in. You must also allow a manufactured or a modular home there.

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>> In January, >> House Bill 399, it's got it's in your packet and it's signed into law. It is signed into law. It's in your packet. It passed on March 27th. that goes into effect January 1st this coming year

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>> 2027. >> So they mean anywhere landed they want to build >> if they want to go it don't matter. >> It don't matter. The nicest I've got one of my best friends. So it says you must be in in compliance by January 2027.

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Right. So many of your municipalities and counties have adopted this already. Colia County has already adopted this. I've got a very good friend of mine that lives there in a very very wealthy neighborhood. He just listed his house for sale for $770,000

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because two lots down, they just put them over home. >> A mobile home, not a modular home, a mobile home. Either way, they got to make whatever you want to put down. So, and it says in there specifically, you can come up with neighborhoods can

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come up with aesthetic things that you can require Hardy PL, you can require architectural shingles, you can require different things. But specifically in the bill, it says it must not restrict manufactured house. >> Can HOA restrict it?

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>> HOA cannot restrict HA. You can't override state law. You can't override state law through an HOA. This is basically what I asked you to give Scott. I did >> so we get work on this >> and HOA cannot override state law

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>> but the zoning laws can require >> that's what they're saying. >> No no I'm saying I didn't finish my statement they cannot particularly required for module or mobile and not required for site builds. So it it could

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potentially be more taxing if you create aesthetic plans where that their site build homes will now have to comply. So it's not that there cannot be but they cannot be you know singled out to say well they have to look like this unless that whole community is like everyone

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has to look whatever whatever aesthetic situation >> it has to apply to everyone >> and it's not but anywhere just anywhere there's a single family. Right. >> Right. housing. >> So it's not like you just put it up in a commercial building that

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>> they can't they can't single family >> single family or RSF MHS RSF >> but I mean if you if you look at >> I mean just if you look at Taylor County as a whole I mean we still have zoning

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laws. I it just took me over a year to get a permit. And I know this is not in the city limits, but it just took me a year to get a permit for a gentleman because he has 161 ft of road frontage instead of 180.

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Make that make sense. I only own 161 ft on this road and because of that I can't have a house on my property because I don't have 180 because this mixeduse rural residential blah blah blah LDR in this area you are

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required to have 180 ft of road frontage to get a permit to put a house here. And we have some we have some stuff in Taylor County that guys Popeye's Chicken just shut down. CVS has shut down. The

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mill shut down. I'm literally I mean I'm I'm spending a lot a lot a lot of money in this town. I've got almost a million dollar project going on right now putting in a subdivision. I

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bought the property. I've spent all the money to clear it. I've got uh Grubber in there right now doing all the clearing, doing all this stuff to get this done. I've put out the speck house on Bacon Street that we're that's up in the air right now that I was told last week that I need to plan to remove it.

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I've got one on Sarah Street that we're doing. I just did one here on Ash Street. I did one on Green Street that's a spec house. I did one, you know, I've got I bought a subdivision in Steam Hatchee to put seven houses down there. I'm doing what I can to help stimulate the economy. And it's like, "Hey, pump

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the brakes. Pump the brakes. What are we gonna do? You need to move this house." >> The problem is because we don't know. >> We didn't know anything about it. >> I knew about that. >> Um Well, I can't speak for you. >> Yeah.

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>> The zoning. Did Did was any of this done in front of the the zoning board? Because see, the zoning board didn't even know anything about this when I called one of the individuals and asked them about it. Because usually when we're doing things like this, it's the zoning board presents it to us and we go from there. >> But what is there to go mean

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>> with the land? >> But the land was zoned for manufact. >> It's always been when I looked it up when I bought it, it was zoned for modular or sight build. I actually I didn't because I'm not going to buy it if I can't put a I don't I don't do site build, which I'm a licensed contractor

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to do either or. This was signed back in was it March of last year? >> These what? >> When was it signed? >> Y'all from that >> zone modular home way before >> that propertyy's been modular home.

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>> That's on Bacon Street. >> We have turned away. So many people families >> for mobile homes. >> Hers was a mod margin home and then we had this big thing where one got put out

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in plantation and they they wanted that guy to remove his. He end up having to get a lawyer in order for him to stay there. >> Then then guys listen it I mean honestly this is very easy. You guys are the city

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council. It's y it's you guys ordinance. I know it. Listen, >> it's it's you're if the property is zoned for a modular home, there's nothing to argue about. Sir, I wanted you to come before us today so that everyone would be aware

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of this. And >> I think that that is >> right. I I I think that manager board and whoever else is involved in this >> Scott Frederick

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to if the states come down if the state has come down or whatever we can't cross that >> listen you Do you know how many people come into my office and try to put

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houses in the city limits? Do you know? I mean, I've got one sitting here right now that would put a house in the city limits today and add to the tax base that we're fixing to be losing through the raising of the, you know, of the homestead exemption, but they can't because the property doesn't allow for

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mobile homes and he can't afford the additional cost that it costs to put a modular. But that is a city ordinance that you're talking about. >> That's a city ordinance that that requires us to have modular on a specific property. >> If the state has come in,

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>> that's something, you know, I don't know the difference. I don't know. That's going to be something that has to be. >> But you just said that they they came in with a law that said >> a law. That's what >> allowed to put either or >> either or. >> No, >> it becomes in effect in January 1st,

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2020. Yeah, I know it's but it still circumvents what we got, >> right? >> Well, I think there's need to be, you know, got to research that a little more and make sure that it may there may be

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areas that do still require a bunch. I could speak to that. Um the Florida League of Cities as well as the Florida Municipal Attorneys Association both lobbyed against this bill because it takes a huge well arguably it takes away

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home rule. >> So I mean and because of those conflicts or the idea after hurricanes especially demolish the community housing becomes even more problematic and hard. So, the state has done this purposely to take it

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out of the hands of the zoning, but we will need to comply and amend and be consistent unless some lawsuits win by January 1. But, um, you know, I mean, that's what's happening in all the communities that this will be touching.

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They're going to have to have to comply. And I guess what you were sharing is some cities have already started moving towards changing it um and not waiting until the state law takes effect. >> Jentral Florida region planning council come up

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here >> don't answer emails for a week or two normally. >> Can you come to us on board? >> Yes. >> Update us. Maybe we can have a joint meeting on just get updated on what's going on effectively so we can start moving the direction we need to move.

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>> That's the only thing we're in the dark. We're not knowing anything. >> They're going to update all the rules for us. >> I mean, and I agree with that. I feel like there should have been a lot more clarification sent out on this house bill because they basically passed it and then that was it. And I understand

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what it is that you're doing and I know you got a business and you got to do what you have to do to survive. But our only problem came is that we get a house just put over in the community and then we got people calling us and that you know what's going on. Why is this here? And we don't know that call y'all. They

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showed up at my office. Trust me >> because it's it's steps that we I since being here in 2013 that we've always followed. They go to the zoning board. it gets presented to us and we go there. But I guess now that has changed and we

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just didn't really think about it. So, so on the MH1 zoning >> on MH1 zoning, modular or site build um is approval in any of those areas and it will look they they they can look

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identical to a mobile home and they just have the stickers that I that I put pictures of in there for you guys approved by the DDPR built to Florida building code instead of Hood. So, that's your difference, >> John. that land that that modulate home

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is sitting on now. Was that the city property or or was that in our little grant on the land that we have deeded out? But did you personally buy the the land from someone else? >> I bought the plant. >> Okay. Yeah, I bought the plant from somebody else. I bought I bought one behind it. I bought two lots over. So,

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it went on. There's fixing to be two more over there. So, that's very bad. >> No, it's not that. It's just that you go before you >> I know all I did I I did it just like any other house. I turned in the

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permits. I I bought the property. I bought the house. I turned in for permitting. Permitting gave me a permit. I house for it for that. It didn't mean to This is a change. This is not as if the

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zoning board has not been following the law. This is a new act that will come. >> See, hope y'all don't understand. >> Maybe I'm I'm going to go ahead and put it out there. It's not you, John. It's the years of me being in this seat and underhand things have been being done.

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You see what I'm saying? That is where the problem is coming in at. You got one proof that we're being told got to cut. Y'all got to show proof. Y'all got to go to the zone report. and you have another little we can just do what we want to do. We just go on and put whatever we want to put anywhere. You see what I'm

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saying? We are up here for the people. We're not up here for ourselves. So, we have to speak and let and say what these people are saying is wrong. We have people that are calling us that homes, trailer, however you want to put it. You're putting them at their in right in

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their backyard and they pissed off and they mad about it because no one is telling them anything. And when someone called me, I hate to be in the dark and not know what is going on. Nothing has been put in the packet. We didn't know anything

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until today. My only clarification and maybe it's not necessary is that and now that you've noted what you shared is that there's if someone has been denied placing that that modular home in a in a zone because it's not

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zone for it that's been a correct action. the state has said, "We're not gonna leave it up to you guys to decide." Maybe because of that, it uneven treatment and starting January 1, unless you guys change the audience this month or next month, they'll no longer

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it will not any longer be up to the zoning board to say where those module homes are. And I just want to also note as you noted, they it's not just any module home. It has to still pass the wind zone two or three. It's not. And one of the things that we're probably

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going to need to do is help educate people because you hear this and you think I just put a mobile home up. It's not that simple. It has to follow the same standards as on-site building houses,

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>> right? or just I mean it's not you know I mean you hear module homes or mobile homes and manufactured homes for some people that may go okay so we can put it here but it still has really pretty high standards regarding what type of homes are considered to be compliant with the

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statute >> go ahead I'm not sure John and maybe Michael you can correct me if I'm wrong I think the difference here that we're missing is that people have wanted to put mobile homes in these sold areas that only allow models.

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>> And there and that's what he's trying to say is there's a difference in big difference in cost >> and in structure how they're built and I think what your people are complaining about is they weren't being able to allow to put a mobile home there and he has purchased it and got permit to put a

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modular home. >> But it's a mobile home. >> It looks like a mobile home. It's a mobile home cuz it's not on permanent foundation. >> It is sitting on center block. >> Yes. >> My name is Andre Green 129 South Street

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and is my council member. So the land that's in question at the moment on 98 the structure that was put there that is a mobile home. There is a difference between a mobile home and in a manufacturer home. A modular home is built inside of a warehouse and when

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they put it on the foundation they bring it out it slips and it place it and it's permanent. It sit there. A mobile home that is on 98 or manufacturer because there is a difference between the terms that is a mobile home because it sits on cinder blocks and is not a permanent

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foundation and it's on a chassis. So that's the difference between the two modular permanent and and also mobile homes depreciate over time. Modular homes appreciate. Mobile homes are made based on the code

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of hood and modular homes are seen as a house. So that is the difference. The house on 98 that's in question that was thrown up is a mobile home. It is not a modual home. And that's all I got to see. >> And if you'll look in your packet, you

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will see the certification for the house on 98 from the pictures that it is a certified modular home. Right there, there is your certifications for that

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house. That's all in the factors. >> But is it is it is a it is and there's actually a paper in there. You can have two different type of modular homes. You can have a on or off frame. >> On or off what? >> On or off frame.

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>> Frame. What's the difference? >> One has a chassis still remaining under it. One you actually remove the chassis from. Depends on the installation. You have a you have a brochure in there about that as well. >> Very similar I think when you move a

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house. >> Correct. >> You put a metal frame under >> any house. Yeah. If anybody's uh any any person that's older in this room can remember at one point uh Highway 90 went through an expansion and all the

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houses that were on I mean big giant three-story houses they put frames they put steel rails on it lifted those up and they moved them back 60 80 feet and they made Highway 90 going east and west a sixlane highway but from a two-lane it

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can move any house having a chassis under it or not or the the foundation is engineered by an engineer. It's built to exactly what the engineer said to build it. >> You want to speak? >> Yeah, I'm sorry. I understand mention 128 Park Street. I think the biggest

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concern for a lot of people as well is there's a full development that is happening in front of the Dollar General and many people in the community were questioning what are they building over there? you know, because we have so many unused buildings, unfortunately. I'm quite sure many people in that community

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was not aware that mobile homes are going to be placed next to their homes on that land because we thought it was I've always assumed it was commercial use. Just me personally thought it was commercial use. I don't know what it's going for. But when you start changing

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the I'm not saying the look because once again, my mom has a motor home. My sister has a mobile home. That's not that's not a concern here. But when you start to overdevelop with it, that's going to be where the community I think now would be you all need to start

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making decisions now with regards to I'm not saying aesthetics but the understanding that I've researched modular versus mobile they are different one one is based on a chases so it can actually be moved modular homes has to be built on foundation that is a major

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difference even in that house build it's still a major difference when you actually research and it's it tells you you no you can't you can't base a home but you know aesthetics that's not it there has to be other guidelines I'm just saying as a board you all may

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want to really consider because if an entire development is going in no one has been aware no one in the community and you know someone is having to pass out an entire how many acres that many of acres of land over there that's being developed and no one had a conversation

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about what where are the site plans? Where are the road plans? Um what is um the the eaves and what is the um dedicated to the city? Because all of that has to go in before you actually put a home in and you put a road in because all of that have it plays a

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major role in the water lines, um drainage, sewage, all of that makes a difference as for homes that are already developed in that area. and for no one to have to come up and say what we're actually going to do with that land with so much land. I think that's a

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conversation that really needs to be brought before the board and I think that you know plans need to be purch or presented to say okay do we agree with this and you know and at the city level to say who is the person is in the director's place to approve those site

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plans before someone actually goes in and just start developing those plans in that manner and that's that's just my thoughts on that >> it's city limits right partially >> yeah it's right there where the General is >> I was tonight

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it's board's responsibility. >> It didn't come before us. Well, well, I just told it myself. I'm a plan board member, but it wasn't like the new homes they're building behind the Chevrolet place. They had an entire site plan.

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There is no site plan for the new homes. >> That concerns me. >> Anything? >> I haven't seen anything. We haven't seen it at >> done anything yet except clear the land >> but his goal was to actually put the homes there but if it hasn't been

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brought you know I would have as a city member you know someone would bring that you know I thank you for your hard work but realization is you don't clear land unless you have a proposal and you unless you have been approved to actually put a home there before you

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start clearing land and saying I'm going to put homes here and I have not had a conversation with the city um water works road department got a site plan that I can actually present you know I don't know any other city or community

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that you can go in and just put homes and not have a conversation of you know how much road is going to be direct you know given to the city right away and how you know how far back these homes have to be you know I'm just saying you know in real construction that is what

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happens and we have not seen seen any plans and this is the first I'm hearing that mobile homes or modular homes or manufactured homes are actually going to be built and I've never seen where someone could just take land without actually coming and saying are are these

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actual plans approved. So that's my concern, you know, and I would think that that would be a conversation that you know before it's done. You have residents in that area who's been there for a very long time. They would probably want to know, but many of them aren't even aware of what's happening in

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that area. >> That's true. I was glad to hear tonight what was going on because I'm getting concerned. >> Yes. I think that's a you know, >> there's no permits at all any of it's

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just been clear. I'm just done. Okay. Thanks. >> Well, first thing, there's a process to every project. Sure. >> First thing I did was look and see what the property zoned for. And if you look at your zoning on that property before I

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bought it, um I think it's one house per half acre on park. I think might have been one house per quarter acre. Anyway, so the zoning on that property allows for a lot of houses. Um the first step is to buy the

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property. Second step, which requires no permit, right? I don't have to have a permit to buy it. I don't have to have a permit to clear it. And now we're growing it. All I'm doing is getting it down to the dirt so that I can get a civil engineer in there

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to design what we're going to do once I get plans. Because coming to a board and saying anything and doing anything, I need to figure out what we can do with the property before I can present it to anybody. Once I get that step done, that's when we present what we're going to do to

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them. So until I get plans for anything and we're just sitting here talking about subdivision that are theoretical at this point. >> You are subdividing. >> Yes. >> The whole process I have to go >> I mean I have to go through a whole entire process that has nothing to do

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with talking to neighbors or anybody. I mean there's no sense in talking to anybody at this point until I have a plan on paper with a civil engineer that's you know got retention bonds drawn, roads drawn in how we're going to pave what we're going to do. I don't look at

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the county subdivision. Is it similar? >> Uh, yes. >> Everybody's questions about what's going on. >> Come on forward, please. >> We're trying to record this for the 30 minutes. in particular watching

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Edwards and I have that one question to you. Why clear the land first then? >> Why? >> Why not have a plan first? >> Because I'd like to have the land cleared so we can just have it cleared. >> But then if you have a plan, you know what you're doing when you're clearing

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to do go forward, right? So >> just the way I do, I always clear plan. >> Okay. But in a smaller city like Perry, wouldn't it be more convenient for more communals for the community to say,

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"Hey, I'm here. These are my plans. I haven't made any complete plans yet, but this is what I would like to do, and I'm just introducing myself. >> I'm I'm in period every day." >> No, no, no. I mean to the store committee, the city council. If you want to know the actual truth, I sat in this

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table right here with several of the people from the city and water and all these areas. That's how I knew there was already water down there. I actually came in here and asked those questions to see what was available, what was the zoning and things like that. Before I actually did that about a year ago,

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>> did you introduce yourself and your thoughts on what you might do? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Even went to the building department, talked to them at the city council. >> No, not the city council. >> Right. at the city council in the zone. I mean, she didn't do that. >> It's it's my property.

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>> I'm sorry. Started addressing. >> The reason I asked him first because I can't address y'all first. The the reason I asked is because it would in my and I don't know if you can make that a guideline but before

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somebody start just cutting a whole lot of property. I mean it's I understand for a single home but for a development it it would be meaningful and it should be in the guideline that in in a you know some type of code or something

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regulation that you have to come and introduce yourself and your and your concerns and what your plans are. Even if you don't have paper, 20 sheets of paper, my intent with my intent that that gives you the

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options of knowing what's going on here in the city and who's doing it, but when somebody just does something like this, you don't know and you prove it. You don't know. >> That's true. maybe if he put up a signature home or

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something and it should be in the guidelines that that should be >> I'm sitting here worried because in fact I had somebody ask me so thought you know right now that is just something I don't mean any disrespect to either you know

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you or you but that is a major concern and it is very scary for people who live here Very >> I don't s Brian tell you my family it is sitting there in a lot of work who's paying for

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the sewer the lift stations and road paving me you are >> me. Okay. >> I don't think nobody paid nothing for me. >> All right. That's that's what I want to know. I just want to make sure that the city taxpayers wouldn't put in a debt on underground utility. I know construction

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on can be inductible question. Uh and I know that you can't pass your problems on to somebody else taxpayers. And that's what most of these people are wondering. You know, it seems like you got your wagon ahead of you. >> No. and but because nobody up here knows

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what's going on. And uh and I hope your project works. I mean, I do. I'm not against that because it could bring tax revenue. I'm just wondering if it's going to cost the tax dollars.

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>> The development as far as I know is not supposed to pay anything that got changed in the 80s. Not >> right. Yeah. But you know, council board, you know, um catching u leisure retreats, you know, they're down there

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with trailers and what several hundred acres. They're harder and paved the roads. Well, we're talking a million dollars a mile pave the road. Uh there's no way the county can pave the roads in there. >> I know, but I'm not against what they're doing. There was a neighborhood, if I'm not mistaken, there was a neighborhood

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that went in less push trees down and started selling lots and then like they started saying, "Hey, pay the roads." That's when that changed. They said, "Yeah, anybody else is going to develop anything you're going to pay

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your payment." That's going just go back on price with it, but at least it'll be done. Yeah. I mean, I'm not against his project. It brings tax revenue when he sells the houses. Sure. >> I just I listen to people behind me and

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I I'm just >> answering what you guys are wondering, you know, and so that's all I got to say. >> Good luck with your answer. >> Now, I can tell you, I mean, and and just to clarify, this is not our first

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trailer. We've got eight or nine of these subdivisions already done. There's four in Swany County. There's uh a 250 house development in Lake City. There's a 200 house development under construction right now in Lake City. I

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I'm not asking anybody to pay for anything. If you've got sewer in front of the property, we'll make a tap and we'll take care of everything from there. We don't need anybody to run. I don't need That's not what we need. >> So, it's my property. It's our property. We're going to do with it what we're

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going to do. So, Okay. >> When the time comes to present it to everybody as to what the plan will be, everybody will be presented plans. It's in the city and the county. >> Sure. Big two sets. >> So, it's got to do two different things, >> right?

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>> So, and I've actually had conversation with the boards or the folks that met me in here that day and they actually discussed either annexing everything into the city completely or out of the city completely and there was a whole

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annexing discussion. So either or that way it's all governed either all by the city or all by the county and there was no split down. So they were going to figure out what would be best that way. So there there has been discussion on this for about a year.

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But besides that >> anybody have any other questions? I think I just want to do employment really need

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I'm sure but everyone needs to know what they can impact from this point. This was mobile and modular homes. >> I want to clarify something real quick.

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>> I'm here modular homes. I'm here mobile homes. I'm here manufactured homes. That manufactured home cover. >> No, manufactured home. >> Manufactured and a mobile home are the same. >> They split. >> They're both a manufacturer and a

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modular. So manufact they're both manufactured >> understand >> right in a in a facility that's enclosed >> and then they bring both of them to you. So but a ma a mobile home and a modular home they're both completely different.

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I understand that where's man where's where's manufacturer >> so that in the in the mobile home world that's a >> there's a terminology >> word for a mobile home >> 1976 they went from mobile home to manu

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>> a lot of people still call them trailers if you go places they'll tell you hey we we haul cows and horses and trailers these are mobile homes houses I was I want to clarify >> it's a fancy word >> I hear manufacturing being tossed around too I was making sure we were our website.

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>> Manufactured housing is it can be it can be a mobile home, it can be a model. They're both manufactured and they control it there. >> SC please have somebody come up here.

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We got so many things changing. Sorry to digest all we can use. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. We'll get the next agenda

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item. We'll go five minute break. I'm sorry that one said Yeah. Hey. Foreign frontend here to talk about the law allowing

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But at the same time, we're talking about this subject matter. We're talking about Yeah, that's Everybody. Happy birthday. Thank you. Happy to

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meeting back in order. >> All right, we're calling back to order. We're gonna do an agenda item 6G discussion action being necessary.

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All right. Anyway, who speak Judson drives. [clears throat] I want to thank you guys all for time tonight allowing us to to speak to you guys about the flight cameras. Um, got a few brief points that I want to bring up. talk about the plot cameras and I'll

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let you guys out the rest of the time. So, uh, Los Angeles is one of the first cities that comes to mind, one of the biggest cities in the United States. They have already terminated their uh, agreement with plots mainly because they thought that it was a civil liberties, civil rights and liberties uh, issue and

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the data that was being used was used against it civilians incorrectly. U, another city that I want to talk about is Dayton, Ohio. uh they cancelled their uh flock contract, but once they did that, the flock cameras are still in place and they have been unable to get

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the flock cameras out of there, which you know, I don't know which way you guys are going to vote tonight, but if you do vote no against them, uh I want to make sure that the block cameras are removed, completely gone, and there's no more mass surveillance on us citizens. Um, another point, another city, Albany,

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Georgia, just up the road from us, had to fire five officers recently due to the fact that they were misusing the cameras. Um, Milwaukee had to fire an officer just recently for stalking his ex-girlfriend, his current girlfriend, and uh, his ex-girlfriend's new

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boyfriend. They had to fire him because he's misusing the cameras. Who's to say that that's not going to happen? Houston, Texas recently put out a report saying that uh the block cameras have little impact to any on crime rate inside that city. They've got thousands

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of block cameras. Haven't been able to prove any uh crime stopping ability. [clears throat] Excuse me. The crime rate has not gone down because of that. >> With the block cameras, many other agencies are able to tap into the cameras that are secure. Uh, for example, Mountain Valley, California,

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the Air Force, the ATF, and the Inspector General were accessing the cameras without consent. Uh, and how do we know that this is not going to happen here? How can we guarantee that? Illinois Secretary of State U claims that Border Patrol was hacking into their cameras and accessing all the data. Again, how can we guarantee that's

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not good? What this does is just creates so many opportunities for misuse, for people that do not want to be watched, people that do not want to be stalked to get stalked by law enforcement inside our city. Perry has suffered significant job loss.

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Many people have already talked about that up here today uh due to the mill closing and then uh to top that off, we've got hit by several hurricanes and unfortunately it's caused people to be in bad financial situations. I think the last thing that we need is more tax dollars allocated to surveilling us as citizens.

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The endgame for Flock is not to just sell us these license plate readers. It's to get every camera that they have in their arsenal inside our city, sell us more cameras and make more money. They're private company can't fault them for trying to make more money. But the last thing that we need is is the cameras that break out your face. You

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say something that the cameras don't like or whomever gets a hold of that data and now you're targeted for absolutely no reason. So, uh, Flock wants to also take your data and sell it to big companies. Walmart, Microsoft, Google, Meta, you name it, they want to sell it. They're a private company again

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trying to make money for for themselves. Uh, a note on the founder of PL, he came out on a on a podcast recently and said that anyone that opposes Flock is a terrorist and should be labeled with Antifa. I think it's pretty crazy to say. Uh many others uh that I've talked to in

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the city have have requested several times been a trial agreement between Flock and the city of Perry. We've been unable to obtain that agreement. I think it's crazy for someone to tell me that there's no agreement. No way that these cameras just get put out without any kind of oversight, without any kind of

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agreement or any kind of uh terms and conditions. There's just I just have a tough time believing that. As a citizens, we deserve to know what those terms and conditions are, especially if we're going to bearing the taxes on this. I also don't really like the fact that these just showed up in our city. The council wasn't made aware of it.

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None of us inside the city of Perry were weren't made aware of it. These cameras were just here and we just had to live with it. I think that's completely unfair. Um I ask that you guys all please consider the things that I've talked about this evening and I ask that you please keep voting up. As one of the founding fathers, Ben Franklin said,

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those who would give up a central liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty liberty nor safety. Thank you. [clears throat] Thank you for coming. >> My name is Rene. Um, I would like to second everything said, but I also have a very personal

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reason for being attacked because years ago I was a stalking victim and reading the instances over and over and over again of how these block cameras have been misused to target women made it very personal for me.

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The idea that not only the people who are allowed access to Flock, but anyone who could hack into Flock, hacked into multiple times could stalk me or another vulnerable woman. It's absolutely terrifying. And an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It might not

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have happened here yet, but why would we allow it? Why would we allow a chance at this happening? We need to protect blood and we need to act on campus very Thank you. >> Thank you. My name is Flipw 1812 North US Highway.

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I have a background in computer science, which means I know computers quite well. In fact, I have two bachelors in it. These cameras are easily hackable. You can pull up next to one, connect to its Wi-Fi and hack it, and then you have

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its IP address as well as all the IP addresses of the ones that are connected to it, which means you get the whole grid. And [clears throat] that's not just for Perry, but it could be across the United States. It is very easily

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packable. You can find it online and very obvious places like YouTube. So, anybody can do this. I second. First man said third pound. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you.

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>> Hello again. >> Hey, good afternoon again. Carl Padet 413ly weight. Um, I don't think we're arguing if the technology is good or bad. I think the argument is, and I think everybody would agree with me, it's the human element behind the

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technology. Facebook is not bad unless you stop, right? None of these things, a gun is not bad unless a person pulls a trigger with a bad heart. We can't control the people using this technology. We can't dictate where the the uh data goes and who it gets sold

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to. We do do not like being surveiled, coming, and going in a free country. And he mentioned Ben Franklin. I don't think our founders would like our freedoms to be surveiled all day every day to run to Ace Hardware and to run up here to pay our utility bills. There's no reason law

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enforcement needs to know my whereabouts at all time. What I would suggest, and I know this is not an argument, yes or no, for flot cameras. I believe it's a budget item. We've sat up here all night and have talked about it for many years, budget crisis in this city. There are no

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jobs coming in. Big Top's doing everything we can to grow. Uh Namo's got a big project coming in. They're trying to grow, but it's stagnant and the money's going out quicker than it's coming in. I've I talked to John at length with this. We're in a disagreement, but we're

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still friends. I talked to Jamie about it. We what they had told me is $3,000 per camera. There's 12 now or 15 and they're want to go up to 36. So you do that math every year

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pulling off the city's funds when we already paid for law enforcement in the city. We already paid for great for great people like brother Ray back there. We already uh paid for dedicated public safety people. So what I'm asking

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is with the budget and money in question, are we going to cut a couple jobs to fund this? Because we're we're already as taxpayers funding a law enforcement and they're really good at their jobs and we trust them here in the city. So

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why would we pay from taxpayer funds to be more surveiled than we should be? >> And that's all my comments. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I was 100% toying around. >> I was playing devil's advocate with you.

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>> Anyone else? Good evening. >> Uh Trey Blue, 1968 Pavar Lane. Um I will I I had some notes that have basically already been covered. I won't reiterate those. Um just would like to point out that Flock as a company has proven

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themselves to be an untrustworthy partner. Um, so nationally, uh, there are multiple jurisdictions that have found that their data that's collected within their jurisdiction has been accessed by agencies outside of their jurisdiction that they have no law

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enforcement agreements with. Um, somebody mentioned Dayton, Ohio is one where they found thousands of searches that were done within without their knowledge, within their jurisdiction by law enforcement agencies that they have no cooperative agreements with. Um in

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addition to that the deliberate misuse um there also has been recently the last year in Georgia just the last calendar year since January one at least 20 Georgia uh law enforcement officers have been fired arrested or disciplined for

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misuse of these systems. That includes and to call a sergeant 17 years on force um has was found to be misusing these systems. I think they get too much power. Um I'm sure not everybody in that list is what people would call a bad

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cop. Um but it's essentially too much uh too much power to to give to delegate without appropriate oversight to any individual. um on security which was kind of hit on. There have been cyber security researchers that have published open

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findings that these systems have been found to be just streaming in some cases live to the internet with no authentication required. Anybody could access those streams. Um, Senator Ron Widen's office found that a lot of the

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safety filters that Flock has promised communities um are in place could actually be very easily defeated and bypassed by somebody with, you know, a minimum amount of IT knowledge. Um, so again, just in in multiple ways, I feel

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like Flock has demonstrated themselves to be untrustworthy. I aside from all the the disagreements I have in principle on constitutional grounds for this type of surveillance, I don't think Flock is a trustworthy partner for the city of Perry. Um, so I would encourage

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us to to terminate any consideration of future business with that topic. Thank you. Thank you. I gota look. So, do we have um 15 lock cameras? Something like that. >> 13, I think. >> 13. Looking at 30. Is it 36? >> I haven't heard that.

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>> So, I'm going 13. >> It might be with the entire county, but just the city. There's only >> 24 county and city I think that you can't trust. Um I looked at Los Angeles, they had 3.8 8 million people

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and their police department members. They have 138. That's one per every 27,500 people. We have 7,350.

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13th one about 550. Are are we more dangerous than LA? Is it is this hard place to live? You need that much rem has the data stored by night. >> Say 30 days. >> They're telling us 30 days.

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>> Where at? >> Max. They said they're ran server space. Yeah. >> So what happens when it rains? >> Where's that data going? Another question I have is

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why why are we storing these people's data? If you drive by [clears throat] one of those cameras and your tag's good, why do I need to know 30 days from now? >> Why can't it just delete right now?

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I don't understand that. Now, if it's truly some predator you're looking for, great. Alarm somebody. But why do you need bills information? Where you going go? [laughter] What are you doing? Why do I need to

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know that? I don't. Okay. So, it's stored in the cloud. And my other question was why is it stored there? We don't know who can search it. >> For the things,

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>> you're the mattress. I got to look at you. And so, who can search it? Who has the >> who can look at this data? >> Anybody that has a camera just signed up on the system.

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>> Do they have a warrant to look at this or is this just a open book? So, is it fine for me just walk in your house and look around? It's your stuff. Come on now. >> I know you like it. >> Look, I can't do anything with it until >> Okay, but Okay. So, can't be is it

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impervious from being an act? Okay. City Bank sent me a thing the other day said they were active and changed my password. Anybody get you get it? >> All right. So, a lot of times people don't catch hackers. So, what if I was some type of

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Ted Bunny person and I wanted to know where you were at and I just logged in. Didn't let anybody know. And I found you and I thought, man, you know what? When she drives every year on Tuesday, me and her could be really good friends. What do you think?

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>> I had the same talk with my daughter the other day. >> Really good, Bronson. >> Anyway, my other question is I look through Florida is pretty unique state.

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Florida will determine what kind of window you can put in your house, what kind of door you can put in your house. It makes product. Guess what? FD dot does too. And their book on putting up science is

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a little bit bigger than the Bible. Y'all read it. Just a little bigger. Okay. They have product approval list for anything to be installed in a DOT approved right away. I couldn't find

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[clears throat] the flock cameras in there. I did find an application that leads you to another section which is about 600 pages. This one's five pages, took 10 riders to tell you how to turn your camera in

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if you want to be in the camera business. You can build your own camera car to them at a third party inspect it. It meets all specs. >> Mhm. and then is approved to be installed after you have an engineer to determine

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what the safe zone is on that road. If you're in your neighborhood in front of your house, safe zone may be 6 ft, 19, maybe 26 ft because you have to have a certain amount of distance to run off the road and wreck without hitting something.

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Again, everything [clears throat] in DOT right away has a reflector or it is reflector. Everything. Even that little green phone box down there, right? The ones I put up here to be

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camouflaged. I don't see reflectors. >> No cameras. >> I don't see any fly cameras. I don't see anything on them that makes them reflecting. How am I to see them if I'm running off the road? What if I'm texting while I'm driving and I drop my phone and I'm

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looking around for it and I don't see that camera on the road running and I hit it. Now I look them up. They're insurance. They have automobile insurance and it's $1 million per event. 20 million African.

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Don't take long to run out of that money. Guess who else gets it? My attorney's going to sue you, too. Y be listed and once that 2 million's gone

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then it's going to be on the city. Somebody signed for to be here. >> So which one of y'all want that? >> Not I. >> Well, if a thing is not if it's not on the FDO's approved equipment list for

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right away. Not saying it's not. I'm just saying I've been looking. I [clears throat] can't find it. I cannot find it on their approved equipment. So, I think that's something we need to find. We need to make sure that they're installed. Now, I guess everybody here

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is familiar with roads and you've seen the road been redone several times. All of you have. And there's usually some guy in really nice pants that goes through and measures stuff and make sure everything's great. One at the county, his name's Kevin. But somebody has to do that. and sign

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off on any of these devices puts on sidewalk that it is installed properly that it is fragile. When you hit a stop sign, I don't know if you ever hit one, but let's say you run over a stop sign, it's designed to

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fold up. It's not designed to break off and come through the bottom of your car and kill you. So, if this is a safety device, let's make sure we're safe. be kind like an airbag with nails in front of it. May not be as much fun when it goes off.

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Okay, just pay rent. >> I don't think is the camera mounted on anything. >> Who's dark? I just want to know whose dart is the counting is as a mad. >> Okay.

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Is that you guys? Okay. So, we're paying rent to them to use our land. What kind of rental agreement is that? You want to get rich quick on that one? >> We're paying rent to them to use their

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cameras. But the thing is, why are they not paying rent to us to put it on our land? >> Maybe they're reducing our rent. >> What is it? >> Maybe they reduce our rent. >> I don't know. Did they reduce rental? >> But what I'm saying is why are they not getting prime real estate? They're on

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premium at intersections. You know what I'm saying? Why not why not pay God's rent? That's not reasonable. Can I think about open up a business, you know, right right there? Stand by here. I'll give you a copy of the receipt. Anybody about the fall dog,

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you can turn them in. Okay. Now, women's club ago, there was no no relief for them. I don't know the deal with it or whatever, but they're nonprofit and they didn't get anything from you.

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or a nonprofit. Why we got a forprofit business working on city land? I don't understand. >> They're providing us a service. >> We're providing them a service. They're selling that data to everybody. They're

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selling to your insurance company. They're selling to Walmart. They're providing them service. They're getting service. You're providing them quality land. I just don't understand most anytime somebody goes to use something of yours for a business purpose, they pay for it.

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Okay. Now, according to Sean, homestead exemption if passed probably will looks to affect somewhere around 37% of the Bach. Do you really have money to spend on

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this? That's That's going to be a decent hit. 37% that's decent. 60% 60% 37. We had 35 is $3,500 account. Looking at 36 and now you're looking at, you know,

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thing is I don't know anybody that's not going to pay for homestead exemption. I haven't found one yet. So if it does pass, that's 37%. You have to want to spend that money.

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Why not give our officers raise 37 cameras? You can't give can't give them $1,000 a year. Like my bills went the last couple years. What's wrong with that? Wire a robot to work for private company

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to replace officers. I don't know. I don't understand. Anyway, I appreciate you. Listen to me. Thank you for that. >> My name is Aaron Turner. I live at 5125 Turner Road. I'd like to start out by

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saying I think it's a shame that our police chief Jamie Cruz is not here in this meeting tonight since he's the one who brought these block cameras into our city and at the last meeting the council member stated they had nothing. They didn't know anything about it. >> They had trip

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out. So >> what's that? >> He he had a trip. >> That's funny. I just still think it's a shame. Um, I just want to read a couple of headlines that I pulled from the internet today regarding PL cameras.

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July 24th of 2026, the headline reads, "Georgia cops keep getting arrested for misusing flock surveillance data." April 27th, police have reportedly used license plate readers to stalk romantic

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interests at least 28 times in recent years. October 25. This is a USA statement. Flock safety's alleged involvement in mass surveillance by federal agencies raises privacy

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concerns and due process concerns. June of 26, stalker camps inside the widespread abuse of block license plate readers. June of 26, block AI license plate readers. Police misuse cases emerge in

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June of 2026. July 26, AI audit tools flag suspicious searches as flock misuse cases mount in Georgia. July 26, police keep losing their jobs

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for using flock cameras to stalk people. June of 26, Flock AI security cameras sparked concerns over privacy misuse among Gainesville residents. Another headline in July, tracking the

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flock, a running record of reported license plate reader camera misuse. September of 25, police cameras tracked one driver 528 times in four months.

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July of 26, block safety employees watched kids gymnastics rooms to pitch surveillance technology to someone like the city of Perry. So they actively hacked into which if I'm remember

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correctly, the flock salesperson that gave a pitch last meeting said that they don't have access to those cameras that only our police chief and his delegate would have access. But here we have flock safety accessing live feeds from

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those cameras inside children's gymnast gymnastics facilities. Um, a question that I was going to have for the flock safety representative is he mentioned last meeting that if the block cameras are damaged in any way,

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they're fully warranted. Flock camera replaces it with no charge to the city. But we're starting to see reports and hear reports where there's so much damage to block cameras nationwide that they have reiged on that agreement and

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they're no longer paying for the replacements of those cameras when they are removed or damaged. So that's just some points that I wanted to bring across. And I know Earl had mentioned, you know, the statistics of like how

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many we are, how many cameras are. There are four cameras at the intersection of 19 and 98. There's one on every corner of 19 and 98. And Jamie mentioned last meeting that there are only nine cameras in the city

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and I know that there are cameras all throughout the county. So, who was in charge of those? Who brought those in? Who agreed to have those placed in the county sections? I know, you know, Jamie brought the ones in for

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the city. So, that's just a question that I have as well. I know that you guys are just cities, so we don't know, but it's a point I wanted to bring up. >> Thank you. Anyone else want to speak? I have a problem with this chemistry day

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back in April. She didn't know the council. We were not conferred or consulted. I've been doing my own research and I don't back then. Yeah. Every time I leave my house and I drive that's just

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27 98 and I feel like I'm being followed. Um, I know that they're saying and heal because of disaf but if we're going to do anything

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like this in the city period needs to come before the school and my mind is already made I don't think you make the motion yet. and invoke my conscience. And I have listened and I' I've heard

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good and I've heard bad. I can see good and bad using the cameras. But the thing that really bothered my conscience was the cost. And I can't see spending that amount of money and we don't even really have it

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in budget. It was budget or we took it down. So I I can't justify the cost >> from the beginning. I had a problem with this because one did not come before us

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and even giving us a demonstration on it or even talk with us then discuss it with us. It was just a decision that one person decided to make and that was it. Uh I've been in this seat foroot since

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2013. I made one one decision that came back and it bit me because I didn't listen to the people. But this time I'm going to listen to the people. Uh one we just received a letter from

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John about the budget. I don't see where we'll even be able to fit the funds in with this. And I'm all for, you know, much as worth law enforcement put in, I'm all for giving them as many raises that they can get. And I'm just not I don't feel comfortable with this.

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There's no accountability. So, my my mind has been made up over months ago when it first got brought to me. So, I see the pros and you see your mirror. >> [clears throat]

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>> want to before you make the motion, please come up front, please. [clears throat] >> Thank you all again. It's third time. Is that record? >> One thing I wanted I want to really address really quick and I get out of y'all's hair. Uh we keep saying flop

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flop flop flop flop. That is a brand. >> There will be more brands. Axon, Microsoft, Meta, they all have these cameras. So before you make your motion whether to delete the line item from the budget or ban surveillance cameras in a

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whole, I'd like you to word it to a point that this can't be brought in by another company. I've kind of expressed my uh opposition long long time ago when we first started

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when we first heard about it. >> Yeah. >> What what would happen if this went in? You got, say you got 10 of them, something happens, they're they're gonna

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say, "Darn, if we' have had a camera over there, we could have done it." Next thing you know, they're going to want 10 more. >> Yep. >> And next thing it'll be one at everybody's house.

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>> Yep. >> At least four. I don't know why we're still talking about >> um before you do that, I know it's already been noted. I don't know if it's officially been noted, but um I just wanted to know if it wasn't clear that

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um Jamie Cruz did provide a memo um to attach and he's already noted these things in meeting before as to why he supports the fly cameras, but I just want to note that he had a recommendation regarding the five cameras appointment. And if it if it was

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reviewed, which I know all of you have, and a part of your consideration, even if your decision is no, I just wanted to note it for the record so that that can be included in the minutes since he's absent. >> And he made some very good points in the letter. >> He does.

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>> And I guess what it boils down to me is, you know, there's some good points these cameras. I'm not saying there is if somebody in my family goes missing, I wish there was a thousand of them. But I'm not much into this labor

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surveillance culture we have going on now. >> I spent some time talking to an insurance executive today on we spent about 30 minutes give or take

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on the phone. insurance companies, I did not realize until he explained it to me, are probably the largest purchaser they on the planet. Yes. >> They buy your oil changes.

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Every time you get your oil change in your car, there's a pin number. They um every time it goes to shop, they work on every time it goes in the body of shot. Anytime anything happens with a car,

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they know about it. And not just cars, houses. Anything they sure >> Yes. >> Your life and sooner or later they're you know it's I started listening to him for

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about 30 minutes. Got me a little par [clears throat] with you. I looked into who owns block. It's actually a company called Clock Group. Block safety is owned by a company

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called Group I guess you can call or basically it's owned by a bunch of investment companies. We signed a contract with block safety group today. investment companies as we all know in

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five years are going to devest themselves of that company. I don't know who's going to wind up on have no idea. I really don't. Third thing just came to mind for me was Miss Lander's point.

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I think they want to free your contract in just a few months. We don't know what's going to happen with amendment three. We don't know where our finances are going to be. They're not any better now than we were last year pass. So those are just points I'm trying to

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make. Understand I have good not so good. Just got to figure out how to spell now's not the time. It's got it's got a lot of beta testing. It's got to get through. That's right.

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>> John, what about the parks and surveillance at the parks to catch the people that are not being nice? >> That's where they started. >> Yeah, those are license plates. Cambridge. >> They're not Flock.

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>> I think they're the Flock brand, but they're not license plate readers, >> right? >> They're not a license plate reader. Is that what you >> call recognition? >> Yeah. There's a good question about the parks.

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How we feel about surveilling the parks and where this came up originally just to give you some background on it. For those of you that didn't hear the stories, I didn't even know they exist in some these things called Tik Tok challenges, Facebook challenges. get on video. They take hammer to start beating bathrooms

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to pieces. I don't know why. >> Maybe if I was 15 again, I could explain it, but I'm not. So, I don't understand why people take sledgehammers to toilets, sinks, and public bathrooms. Apparently, somebody in Los Angeles does it. They challenge the world to do it.

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For some reason, everybody follows. So, we're spending an enormous amount of money rebuilding our bathrooms. constantly say it was constant. So had an idea for

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doing this whole thing started. I don't know where automatic license came into it or anything. That's a good question

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about cameras in this book. I think about that foration. >> Well, I have one other thing to say. >> I just want to know that

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I did not overlook Cham's recommendation. I think with the cameras that the county has put up in various places if we want to catch those people entering or even

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camera so I will make a motion. I motion that we end um [clears throat] period and that we remove our um I don't know

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if I should have wish >> Yes. continue in the forest something. >> Law enforcement. >> Yes. Law enforcement officers. Yes. >> Well, they can't

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>> a law enforcement officer. They can't always be there and the perpetrators if they know the officers there not >> somebody has the vote >> second

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motion have a second. Any more discussion? Anybody want to speak on anybody want to say anything else coming up? I got one page. My name's Earl K. Uh anyway, the thing is there's numerous

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camera companies. >> Anyway, there's numerous there's numerous camera companies. Many of them use hard drives. You could there's all kinds of options for parks. And I just thought him smiles and covers my yard and I can look at it from my

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phone right here. >> So it's a like I say there's a lot of options that do that do not have to go to the cloud. We don't know where that cloud is. You know, my thought is I would have been halfway reasonable with it if it

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was on our server. >> If it went from there to our server, that's one thing. But if it goes from here to somebody else's server, that's a different thing. And I have to ask them for the right to use it or look at it. Maybe we don't pay our subscription. You

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don't get, you know, don't don't use your data. You know, people have gotten pretty unique in the last few years on what they charge for them. Uh BMW will charge you a monthly subscription to have heated seats.

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So again, when this company gets bought out, what will change? What subscription will you get? I'm just saying there's numerous camera options. We don't have to go with a a cloud-based product. Maybe something with us equipment.

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All right. Thank you. >> Wait a second. Okay. Just to >> second. >> Okay. >> Well, you got a motion. discussion. >> I thought I heard a motion and then a

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second discussion after a second us. >> Yeah. council brought. >> Yes. >> Landry. >> Yes. >> Yes. We weren't able to handle Robert's room.

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I thought about I would love it. We can >> I was going to say I'm in no way shape against law enforcement whatsoever. Very much law enforcement. >> Yeah. >> Think you can look at our budget and see. We're gonna do everything we can to help

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in any way we can, but we also have to protect the citizen page. Council discuss 26 2027 action necessary >> opposed the roll back that Sean was

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talking about 6107 to Yes. The motion says motion to ask for a second. So just just to clarify,

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the city manager's budget that he's presenting next has the 6.1077 factored in. You typically go with the roll back rate. Um unless you increase taxes, but the roll back rate is not increasing. It the

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roll back rate is essentially what you bring in what you brought in last year. So the prior year mill rate that is what we had last year but we essentially bring in less because of the roll back rate is exactly

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the same. >> That was what Sha was have to be approved today. >> It doesn't have to be approved today. I just need guidance on what y'all want me to advertise um in the newspaper. And please remember that we can't go down

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but we cannot go up without readvertising at our expense. So if it would be my recommendation to do the 6.1077 for right now and then make further decisions later.

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>> Motion to approve. Second. >> Yeah, I already made the motion. I just want to hear >> you're finance. You know about money. Okay. >> Sure.

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>> She motion. I wasn't sure to go ahead and say it. >> All right. >> Council bronze. >> Yep. >> Counc. >> Yes. Suffer Wood. >> Yes. >> Landry package. >> Yes. 6 I to

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COP charter section 5502. City managers to officially present proposed budget for CP this year 2026 2027 council to take any action necessary. I want to go over some of the proposals

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before we get into it. You don't have in front of you. comparing rates between Perry Live Willis Medicine and May. We took a average water usage of 5,000 gallons a month. Perry lowest by far at 3265

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at 48.99, Willist at 4411, Madison at 3779, and Mayo at 3837. On sewer, it's even worse. The same 5,000 gallons of usage. Parish at 3770, 5 Oak at $70.91,

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Madison 6363, and Mayo at 3923. We told Florida Rural Water when they did our rate study for water that we'd go up 25% in 2024, 25% I mean in 23 and

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24, and 10% in 2025, which we never did any of those. [clears throat] were falling. you know, didn't want to increase rates and it was during hurricanes or >> I remember discussions they'll give us somebody but we're not at a certain rate

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you a lot of that can't get >> and showing the state agencies that we're not even trying to take care of our own our own we take care of you don't take care of yourself that's what that's conversation I remember

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suggest so far behind we requested 10% there and then 5% across the board for the other utilities We won't [clears throat] basic be a lot worse sh >> and and the budget that is presented to you all also includes these

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>> rates to increase >> there isn't a way to because of the fact that everybody's is so different. Um, you know, you use different water than you do. So, there was just really no way to do that. That's why we provided that

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sheet um and and the packet to show >> the amount. Yeah. >> Probably like six or seven dollar for the average customer. decide on. So with the normal 3% cost of living raises

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for everybody, health insurance went up 7 and a half%. Police pension went up 6.7%, fire pension went up 5.3%. With our proposed increase of 5% plus the 10% for wastewater.

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Is that right? >> I can't see that far. I got a Mac. Thanks for a Mac. Thank you. Thank We're at 690 bucks going to reserves. Thank you. Give us more options.

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going back to and regularly do it. Um I'm afraid [clears throat] of freezing these positions having a problem now

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see the way it should be and you go to those positions be >> I'm with you work still got to be done. Yeah, I don't think

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>> without remain >> without without the rate increases and keeping the budget the same as it is now. for uh pulling 46,000 from reserve >> without any changes but without

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>> how much would you pull reserves 46,000 to Jim Then next year if that uh referendum or that bill gets approved it'll be another half million. What you think? >> 400 silver must get close to a million dollars per

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year. Really bad timing losing at the same time. here probably cutting your Robert X play offices. [clears throat] services.

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>> I wrote my letter to the editor. >> Everybody I talk to, I try to explain to them what they're they're really voting on. It's just a greater division between wealthy and poorly. >> Yes. And it is always the poor man who has to pay

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>> and doesn't try to word that there. They can't understand it. If people do not understand personal case in >> look at page two I was this is all the capital outlay requests we had and I've already rejected one

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144,000. >> Uh I I approve one of the pickup of that pick up. Yeah, I don't know why it's yellow, but I approve one instead of two. >> I So I just had it yellow just to show that

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>> he only approved one, but in the actual figure only one of them are approved. I I divided that number by two >> in what is proposed. >> So 62

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garbage containers is not capital. >> That's where they've always been put. >> I said the same thing. >> Put it where you want it. >> Okay. I >> Yeah. on the drainage pool off of Alice and

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Kathleen. Um, will we be able to pull out some of that grant money to get get that done or you're going to have to look for a different grant? talking about >> under street >> under the Yeah,

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>> you had a note that you believe storm water master plan will identify cleaning of all drainage ponds. Then you can get granted. >> Yeah, that's my my plan. Let's get the master plan from the engineers. There's going to have a list of action items and I'm sure that's going to be towards the top. Let's clean all of those out.

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>> Oh, okay. >> Then it'll be way to get grant funding >> and they're working on it right now. >> They should have done it by now. >> Yeah. I'm tired here. >> Not our current. >> I I would 511400.

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I would make that zero. >> That's council's trading. Does everyone agree to that? Does everyone else consist? >> You're on council, legislative services, training.

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>> Y'all do cities every now and >> then. And Miss Landry has been attending North Central Florida regional planning council. I will the consensus train but not everybody else. I mean

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there has to be some train. >> Yeah, he said >> sorry >> he only said council. You get your grand total 11429 that last page. >> That's in violation of the charter.

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>> Where the grand total? What's in clarify what do you mean? >> Clarify what you mean, please. >> Are you talking about Are you talking about the one that I gave you where it's a deficit?

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>> What? >> Which page are you looking at? the packet or the heat by >> itself with no rate increases. >> Correct. But we're presenting a balanced budget. That was just a hypothetical. >> That was just to show.

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>> Okay. I think >> September. >> Yeah, we typically >> for all of those meetings. Would y'all like to do budget workshops itself instead of meetings? Um, last year we just did them in the meetings, but it's

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always y'all asked for it to be an option. >> I guess we're still digest for a few days. Guess the next decid. >> Okay, >> that work for everybody.

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>> I forgot to start my annual picture. increase. [laughter] That's been another one of those years. Anyway, we're discussing on the budget now. Everybody want to have a workshop.

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>> Well, let's just go over this next couple weeks. >> Health insurance. It's nobody knows what to do. >> A family plan to the city is $2,941 a month. I was

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>> personally we had about 20,000 lives and we couldn't make it work. >> And how much did the city go? 7.5 >> 7.5 >> I'm gonna be one day for there's a

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Florida statute 110 1228 that allows any city county or school board in a small municipality to be able to get on the state plan but they put some messed up language in there that we have to be our own binding group if we join them we'll be on the

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state bind group and that defeat the whole purpose of this law it came into effect 2001 and not one single municipality has joined it because they made it >> to say they did it wouldn't actually do it >> on the phone said you're shooting yourself on foot if you if we make you

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put on your own bind we're going to do the same thing here >> but we're in a larger group here because we're with a few other people so we can be our own group one >> small group which means you're ready >> one cancer policy we shut the city I guess you're right about that, which

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is something that >> Yeah, we're going to do it, but we're going to make it not worth it. All right, you guys. have not ready for council city manager

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evaluation council necessary evaluations I have them We'll make sure we have them all the next one. I think everybody turned it in, but it was later and >> closer to the deadline. And >> all right, we'll do the next 6K approved minutes from July 14, 202.

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>> So I So I told him >> police department >> 72,000 >> 52 plus the 10 for the >> SQL whatever that was where how do you get 72 62 + 10

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>> so the SQL computer server is 10,000 and then one patrol vehicle can be only approved for the 62,000 He didn't approve both of the facilities. [clears throat] >> He's got to divide the 124 in half. It only approved one of the two vehicles he

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asked for. >> It is there. I'll look after I'll look at it with you after >> anybody minutes. >> So then approve the next meeting because I got through the package everybody you

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have now. >> I gave them to you next meeting. >> All right. Well, >> no. No. No. >> All right. For sure. >> Splash pad.

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One. The the tallest one out there is the one that has the four strings of water coming out of it. Is weeds all in the top of it. So it stopped on the side of the phone. The water drained down. >> Oh, wait a minute. It was one more thing I wanted to say. Um, I just want to go

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on record thanking Danielle and um, Stephan for the great job and the other worker I never I never got his name. When they clean lock ridge, they clean jerk and splash pad. >> Ben was there. >> Yeah. Just let them know that I

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appreciated and thank >> Stephanie and Camry also picked up the trash out of Rose Head and got in the boats and picked up all the trash out of Rose Head. So it's been clean. >> Tell them I I which I stopped by there and I talked with them and I looked see what they had to face. >> Yeah.

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>> But just tell them I told them also but I just wanted everyone to know how much I appreciate it. >> Can I look at Taylor, I don't want Well, I a couple. Yeah. I don't know exactly what