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April 28th, 2026. City council prep meeting to order. Remind everybody to establish your cell phones. That looks >> somebody in the building. I give it to them.

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>> Lord, we love you. Lord, we thank you. Lord, thank this council. Thankful for this town. Thank for this country. Thank you for these opportunities. So God, let us make good decision that would benefit all of the citizens. It will be for the

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betterment of care product in Christ Jesus name we pray. >> Amence to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God indivisible

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with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. >> Call member Hampton >> here. Council Wall >> here. Vice Mayor Landry >> here. >> Mayor Ken >> here.

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Approval of items on the consent agenda. Approval to read by title only. Resolution 2026-16. resolution 2026-17 and ordinance 1059. >> So move Hampton.

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>> Yes. Council Wood. >> Yes. >> Counc. >> Yes. Receiving requests from the general public. Do we have anyone from the public who wish to speak on anything that is not on the agenda? Hearing

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seeing no one, we'll move on to our accused and I don't believe we have any at this time. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> All right. Agenda item 6A council to discuss Prospect Grove Apartments in Senate

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package. Council will take any action necessary. I think we have some folks here would like to speak on this. Anyone mind just give us Yeah. take my porch and just give us a little bit of history of what happened here in uh where we're going.

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>> Hi, my name Michelle Don. I am is my asset manager. My husband started this project probably 2017. >> 2016. It's been a long labor of love. Um

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>> since I just recently found out about Rich and I like seeing him at the airport. Yeah, he passed away about eight and a half months ago. I have his youngest son. >> Um, sorry, I don't. It's >> okay, baby. >> Um, this was a project of Bridget and

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I'd really like to see it through. I'm gonna hand it over to Todd because he can talk more. >> Thank you. So, I've been involved in this project since 2016. Uh, Bob Brown had uh along with with Scott Frederick with the Taylor County Health Authority um asked us to come into the project in the city because there was a need for

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housing. Um, you know, uh, four core side housing, not luxury housing. So, you know, we bought the property, negotiated from where oil back in 2016. Um, we originally were going to close the loan and start in 2018. The county had through Scott Frederick had

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suggested we kind of wait because things were happening and rather than start building, not being ready, we could build at the right time. We started in 2022, went through three hurricanes as you guys both all well, everyone who well knows and along with many homeowners in Perry went through the trials and tribulation of dealing with

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the insurance companies. Uh we spent, you know, quite a bit of money out of pocket uh fixing things that were offset by the hurricanes, you know, August 2023, October 2024. Um got our last uh our first building

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permit in February of 2024, I believe. Crystal is that right? 25 starting out by year. Uh Ted Tennis first started moving in about 14 months ago. We got our last building permit in October and November of last year. We are now

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happily announced for 74% lease. Um you know we've had to uh uh give con concessions um you know so residents can afford the rent. We only uh qualify at two and a half times income or two and a half times the rent for qualified income, not three. Most properties will

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do free. We dropped that so people can have uh you know uh can get get more qualified um as part of our >> So you say you be some >> we we are we are um waving application fees. We gra what the concessions are

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now >> the concessions are half off the first full month's rent whenever you sign a 12 month lease. >> Yeah. >> Waiting application admin fees things like that to help people get started. Yeah. So, we're under proform. Um, the

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issue we have with the request here is as part of the incentive package that we were supposed to have that we originally agreed to back many years ago, there was the real estate tax exemption abatement to kick in for phase two. Um, it was originally supposed to be for phase one along with some natural gas incentives,

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some infrastructure incentives. Um, whether it was the council or the city manager at some point, uh, we lost those incentives with the new administration. And when we were closing our loan in May of 2022, the only incentive we were offered was take it or leave it. Here's the taxes,

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but it has to be once you're fully built phase two. We accepted it. Um because our leasing has been slow and the way our construction loan is, we need the real estate tax exemption to kick in. Now, similar to what the county has given us, the county has approved it for

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their military portion starting this this year. Um phase two is my collateral to get my construction loan. The land is my collateral to build phase two with my bank. >> You have two phases total. >> We have two. Phase one is 160 units. We're 74% lease. Phase two is the back

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12 acres. Um I can't get my construction loan without having that land free and clear. It's right now as collateral for phase one loan. So, in order to in order to submit my plans for permitting and even finish my plans and build phase two, I need to refinance phase one from

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a construction loan to a permanent loan. We have a quote in with the agencies Fanny May and Freddy Mack waiting to issue us the permanent loan which releases the land for phase two. However, because of the income being not sufficient but less than originally

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proform, I need that expense savings in the form of the real estate tax exemption now to be able to get my permanent loan, keep my rents where they are now for phase one and then build phase two. >> Is that going to get you where you need to be? >> The exemption will get me where I need

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to be. Yes. or else I I I have to wait years for the rents to increase just over time with inflation and I don't want to do that now. I'd rather keep my rents where they not have to which I think I think in 18 months we've raised rents maybe once and that's like 2% on a

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two-bedroom or two bedrooms are full. >> The one bedroom and three bedrooms were getting discounts and we're going to continue those discounts. In fact, we're going to start a new program >> for the three bedroom >> for the threebedroom starting May 15th. So families, a lot of our issues with the threebs are single inome families

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with kids. >> The market rent that we need, we're gonna have to drop that. Yeah. >> So we can lease that so families can actually rent. The dual income households, not too much of a problem. It's the single households. >> Yes. Yes. >> So we started that uh we talked about that today. We're going to start that

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May 15th. Once we're 80% because then the bank won't really care too much because we're looking good. >> Yes. Um, but I need that real estate tax savings to be able to do my permanent loan for phase one and then submit my loan for phase two. >> Right.

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>> So, what part did they take it on? Oh. So, so back in 2018 to 2020, the prior administration, our our the ordinance that was submitted that was

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approved at the time was um the real estate taxes exemption now just like the county along with an infrastructure loan, I think a $250,000 low interest loan to tie in with the the utilities at the street and a uh another loan to bring natural gas. So when the

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administration So then we didn't meet those deadlines because we didn't break ground. So we came back to the city back in early 2022. Um again I'm paraphrasing this was through our attorney and our we had a consultant consult with the city. >> Yes.

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>> And and you know we said hey we're ready to go. We like this. And the new administration said well this is all we're willing to do now. You know either cake or leave it so to speak. So, we took what we had at the time and and turns out, you know, we really need what we had. The project's already built. So,

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the infrastructure loans, that's we've already put our own money for the owners money to cover all that. Um, the big difference is the real estate taxes. We've had the original incentive day one, just like the county. I spoke with Miss Beach Fraser and Miss Peton, I believe, of the county administrator.

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They've verified and approved. Our village rate exemption for the county side is approved. I just need the same thing from the city or else I'm it's going to take me a long time to go pay them and we like to start that as soon as possible. >> So your original deal was property tax abatement

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>> day one. >> I keep saying a bait concession >> actually it's a it's a reimbursement from the city >> right >> it's a I have to pay it and then I submit a receipt and then it gets reimbured. Yeah, the county is an exemption. >> Then your second deal was something different. Yeah. The second

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deal was um the way it was approved by the ordinance, which we kind of just accepted, was um it doesn't kick in until we build unit 344, which is the last unit of phase two. >> So, what you want to do is roll back to the original. >> I want to roll back to the original. Basically, the county is as I get a

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building permit, my taxes are forgiven for that building for 10 years. >> Only for the taxes. >> I'm sorry. >> I don't No, I'm not asking for a loan. asking for the the real estate my real estate tax portion that goes to the city the city portion of the mill rate which

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is approximately 30% of the tax bill um to be an um reimbursement or exempted way you call it for a period of 10 years >> the original deal was a minimum of 120 units year 1 through five would be 100% and year 6 through 10 would be 75%. I'm

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okay with that. I'm I'm fine with that as well. We are We now built 160. >> Yeah, we built 160 units. So, we're for 120 with that. >> I'm I'm asking for 100% for 10 years. I'm perfectly fine with 100% for 5 years

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and 75% for the next five years. I'm okay with that if that's >> I mean, this is what the council agreed to to get them here coming and then it got changed. That that's what caused us to spend $8 million of equity in the project which is what we spent on the corporate side since day one. It's 100% for what?

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>> The first five years. >> Five years from what? >> What was the other one? >> Says >> 75% in the next five. >> Yeah. From 120 units. That would be the completion of the project is 120 units. >> Going to be 75 from today or 75. So

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>> well since the first CO was um since the first CO was um October of 2024. I'm sorry. We the assessment starts at the last CO. Our last co was October of 2025. So this year is the first year we're on the tax. >> Okay.

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>> So the tax is due November 30th or March 31st of next year, whichever way you look at it, is the first year that we're assessed. >> I like the way the county word tax exemption hereby granted shall be for a term of 10 years commencing with the first year of new improvements and personal property are added to the assessment rule and lasting nine

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additional years thereafter. >> So the county approved 100% county approved a 75% exemption for 10 years. The city originally approved 100% for five years and 75% for the next five years. I I'd like 100% for the whole time, but I'm happy to, you know,

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>> whatever you guys project and this helps us finish it. >> Well, we're kind of stuck without it because we can't roll out the loan. >> Correct. >> Unless we just wait for rents to catch up, but we already know we have a we have a we have an issue with getting enough qualified people. The ammo plant is going to help tremendously. Some of

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the employees already living in our property. Yes. But if we need to drop the rents on the threebedroom, we're going to give the Sandy concession so the single earner families can, you know, right now, you know, um our average rents qualify for live local. We're not doing a live local

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>> because we, you know, we have the hopefully we'll have the exemption, but our average our average wages for per household is $155,000. I think it's going to stay there for a while. Yeah. So, so we need to keep the incentives in place as far as the the rent incentives and we're happy to do that, but we need to offset that by the

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tax exemption. >> I have some questions on the council >> once the council's done. >> I didn't want to interrupt you question. So is there expectation regarding the

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2022 ordinance and the agreement to complete the 344 units to be just done away with? There's any other um performance performance-based um goal are you agreeing to now that if we go back to

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2016 then you've completed and there's you can choose to reinvest the money you can choose not to because that is the old um the old agreement would you would you be open to some type of sunset pause regarding like you know 18 additional

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months for continued construction is there any expectation for tradeoff as to um >> we are committed to building phase two or phase three. I don't think um because of unfortunately we have no history though lease lease up history and average rents. I don't think HUD is

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gonna approve a construction loan from all 185 units at one time. Right? We did the 160 private. So just to just to understand the 160 units that we got here, HUD turned us down. HUD said no one in the right mind to build more than 80 units in Par Florida. We said we want to build 160. That's what we committed

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to. So we went to a private lender charging us 11% interest not HUD interest rate of 5%. So I can't make that I can't do that again the second time. But what I can do is build the amount of units that HUD will approve me to do. So I think we're going to do 40 to 60 units at a time. Let that lease

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up. Build another 40 60 units. Let that lease up. Otherwise, the amount of equity is going to be enormous. No one buy. >> Do you have any problem with then making that performance goal as a part of what you're asking the council to do? Whether

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it's 40 more or even 20 more, but there's something else. because from what I'm hearing the 120 is already met, >> right? So, >> right. So, I wanted the council also realistically understand that if you chose not to come back and do the 40,

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the sentence would be granted without any um any more um any more compliance based on >> be honest with you, I didn't I can't control what interest, you know, there's World War II is if there's World War II interest rates go through the roof, I

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can't afford to build one unit. of our so I can't I don't want to commit to that but I am telling the council we are committed to building units there but I can't I can't commit to the time frame >> the time frame because there are so many factors that could go against us where I

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need to charge double the rent if if if interest rates go through the roof in my >> I understand that I just so we're committed to >> it's a good faith desire to continue but because just like our residents individually don't have the ability really do know what's going to happen

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with their jobs or whatever that you're asking then to provide the incentive without any guarantee that there's going to be any additional production. >> Well, we had the incentive originally in 202. >> Um I'm happy to make some sort of commitment. I don't know what financial

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commitment we can make as far as timing now. But I can assure you that if we get the tax exemption now, we are committed to proceeding with phase two and we will break ground to phase two at some point in the next 12 to 15 months. >> The incentives tie directly to the taxes pay. So they build more they get more

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incentive out of it. I don't see why you want to. >> I understand. I'm just dealing on the business principle of what's agreed upon now. 344 units and I understand and I appreciate um what's happened in the past. I just want because sometimes people make decisions based on what we

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hope to do. So at the end of the day given your investment in the community to create these apartments you're asking for the incentive be given now um with maybe a good they desire to do in the future but I just want it >> so

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>> in a neutral fashion they don't have to. this is not a commitment for them to continue or or even a likelihood that they can continue. It's almost like you're asking for there be sort of benefit given to the work that's already been done even

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if the newer agreement is less than half completed. >> So we have we have 12 to 15 acres of phase 2 land that is worth x amount of dollars. That land is worth zero to me if I don't build units. it is to my because if I when I when I build the units that land compartment that land

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component is that land compartment is free already paid for it >> right >> so so the only one who could build those units >> is us >> at a discounted price without having to pay for the land is is us >> so I'm an advantage above anyone else to build it myself >> and and and and

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I can rent them for 95% of market >> right >> because of that discount and and maybe we commit to to to lease them at 95% % market as a commitment to to the city. I'm willing to do something like that. >> I'm just particularly because it is

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public trust and it's taxpayer and um I know we've been so told many times like you know that the the council is aware you know that there's a lot of challenges that happened because of the storm even in our private asking for

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relief in different ways. So in a neutral way, I'm just trying like at the brass taxes understand that um you face challenges like a number of others, but what would be in the public interest regarding this taxpayer dollars to

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basically um have no tradeoff like nothing else additional? It's like, okay, we've not done what the 2022 agreement was. I know you're going back to 2016. What is the council's justification to not only

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start observing that incentive now? What is any recourse if you know you get that money and go do something else with it? And I just wanted to know what you all were willing to possibly put in writing or say this is what our intentions is if we get this. >> I think in writing that that tax rebate

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will get invested back in the property. I can agree with that 100%. And I can prove that that money will be invested back in the property. um >> not for phase two but in the phase one it's being applied to I can that >> back for just a second

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>> you say you're only giving incentives to get people to which means you're lowering >> we're giving we're giving a two weeks free on most of the units and waving our application fees and our administrative fee and what you're saying from

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typically what I know of property to lease out. You typically do build what you can fill up. >> We we build what I went by I went by a development the other day in Gainesville South Gainesville. They're permitted for

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right at 1500 units across 100 acres. Well, probably less than 100, but anyway, they're only 20% built. They're permitted for 100%. because I only build as much as I can build up at >> the last thing you need to let a

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building sit there. >> So, so right now >> one cost money, number two, you could have problems you're not aware of. >> And right now our leasing I don't want to say installed, but right now our new our leasing is competing with the first generation tenants that are now relocating or maybe buying a house and

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moving elsewhere. So leasing has has slowed a little bit. So we're competing with ourselves now. Um, we'll deal with that by offering incentives like we talked about the families for phase for for the three bedrooms. Um, and we'll continue that, but I can't commit to having that tax exemption invested back into phase one where it's being

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discounted for um, no problem. And I'm committed to providing the same incentives that we're doing now for phase one for for all all of our units on phase two. >> You mentioned the phase three or other. Well, so phase so phase two by our site plan is 184 more units, but we're not

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going to get a construction loan to build all 184 at one time because we went privately for phase one and that cost us a lot of money. >> Okay. So, space will be broken out. >> It'll be two, three, and four. If we do our typical building is 16 units. I think we'll do two to three buildings at

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a time. So, 32 to 48 units. So, a few different phases of that. >> Exactly what you said to build. >> Yeah. or else it's just not economical because now we know what we know. Um, >> yeah, >> thank God we didn't build all 344 and that means the bank would probably own the pro the property now. So,

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>> luckily we did it the way we did it >> and we're committed to Perry. As I said, we have we have a lot of land invested in phase 2. That's paid for. That is our that is our equity to get our construction loan. No one else has that benefit but us. >> So, no one else no one else can do phase

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two without other than us because we have that land already paid for. John, what are you go back to the original deer that got in here? >> I had a question. Yes, sir. >> It's my understanding that the money that you borrowed the first time was not borrowed from HUD.

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>> No, HUD. HUD turned us down. >> But you plan to borrow from HUD this time. >> We we we hope to borrow from HUD this time because it's more economical and they are not going to approve on 84 years. I'll prove another 81 you do. Does that mean that you will be

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eligible to rent the units under HUD? >> Um, we don't know that until we submit to HUD, but if we rent them, >> that's not our way of >> um HUD is most economical route, but HUD may not approve as many units as we want

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to do. We'd like we have we believe in Perry because we've seen it now. We know that people in Perry want a nice place to live. It's just a function of rent. How much are they going to pay? So, we want to go to the lender that gives us the ability to do it the way that we want to in Perry. >> And my point is I was in the room when

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you all your representative promised that it would never be HUD units. >> Um, that's a HUD permit loan. We're not doing a HUD permit, >> right? >> See, that's what I just said. >> Yeah, there's a market. >> Yeah, it'll be a market rate deal. it.

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So, we're never going to have a rentrestricted project. That's what you mean. >> Okay. >> Yeah. No, we're not having a rent restricted project. We will control rents through our rent structure, but we're not going to have affordable housing. This is workforce housing, market rate properties. No affordable housing restrictions. If that's what you

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mean, >> we don't want any more HUD units. >> We are not doing HUD unit. So, so HUD has two programs. HUD does a construction loan for market rate projects and then they do a construction mini perm for affordable housing projects. We are not an affordable housing project in Par. We are market

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rate property. We promised that day one and we're always going to stay that way. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We're not You already have a property back down the street with section 8 USDA loan. We are market rate prop property 100%. We'll always be that way as far as we're as long as we Yeah.

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We intend it for a long time. Hey, more questions. >> I have a question. So, regarding um your commitment to reinvest money saved in the tax abatement to phase one be discounted, would you be willing to do like a short annual report regarding how

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you've reinvested that? >> 100%. Not a problem. We'll provide whatever we're done whatever reporting we want, whether it's income per per tenant, which we track for the local, like I said, as a backup in case things hit the fan and we lose every funding because who knows what happens, right?

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But yeah, we we will provide a a report usually by January 31st of money spent the prior year any which way you want to show the money to the test and whatever the council or the county department of the city of Perry requires local fund. >> I know things have changed a lot. Could you tell us what your average rent right

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now is for your onebedroom, two bedroom overall is $1321 a month approximately. And that's for one, twos, and threes. We don't have that many threes leased. is mostly ones and twos. Our one bedrooms are approximately 1,100 a month

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approximately >> 1140 >> 1140. Our two bedrooms are in that 1350 to400 range. Our three bedrooms are over650. We're going to drop those rents on May 15th. >> Okay. How what are you going to drop them to? Is that just like

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>> we're going to have like a to four week concession on a 13-month place. So it gives them an 8% discount day one but spread out over time. Would you be opposed to um there being any cause for the city to have discretion um if there

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was budgetary strengths or a shortfall to hold off on whatever that date is there return you a portion of your tax abatement? Would you be opposed to that? Um the problem is that with the tax if the tax abatement or refund gets approved here instead of being entered into my loan agreement with whoever my

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lender is and therefore we're forced to underwrite that way and then we'll be in default with our lender somehow gets pulled from unfortunately I I would not want that to happen. >> Again I'm just looking to try to maximize the public interest that it doesn't look like a cash grant because

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granted God knows so many of us are in need of relief. I'm a business owner myself. So, um these questions are also just to make sure that I give, you know, adequate, you know, consuate question regarding any concessions that

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council may decide to do. Um and so, um going back to your intent because you do have that property, that phase 2 property, as you say, like in order to get any value out, you're going to have to develop it in quite a way. Um, is

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there any, say, god forbid, the the loans that you're now looking at seeking fail, um, is there, um, sort of any intention to try to sell or potentially looking at selling property to another? >> Yep. Anyone if we were to sell a

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property, it would it would be sold to a developer that would continue phasing doing phase two. We're in the construction business. We would like to stay involved in Perry whether we own the asset or not. But anyone that buys phase one would have phase two land. Like if I if I sold phase one, hey guys,

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here I need to sell phase one, but I'll give you phase two land at the discount. Of course, they're going to want to build upon. >> So nobody I don't think we would sell to anyone would just let phase two be. >> No, nobody would buy it. >> Beatric not. >> Okay. And would you have any problem of

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giving or at least allowing the council to know if that potentially comes into play? >> Absolutely. They don't want other >> I will always give the council right to help me economically to uh >> well yeah further the ability to to belt the property >> right even you know >> I will always give the county the option

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of helping me I mean yeah we'll give you notice if that ever came up right >> this is something my husband wanted >> no I I believe it I believe the passion again just trying trying to be neutral as to the benefit of the bar. Give up

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>> the I mean that's in my >> case before I get >> Oh god, no. >> I have to give the property away to the bank. I'm going to come here. >> Yeah. The city's greatest bargaining power is that tax that was attached to development. And so if they decide to

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move forward, they would have to suspend that that certainty. And that's a lot of bargaining power. Any buyer would with would with would would know that as long as they keep going, they're going to have a tax incentive and they have to land at at a discount. So, it'd be stupid not to build something. >> All right. You have any more questions?

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Um, >> no, I don't answer them. >> Okay. Any questions? Any more discussion? >> I don't have any questions, but I do I do want to say that I'm not opposed to hood housing.

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because we own. >> So, by the way, our rents right now are below what HUD allows me to charge. So, I am charging right now rents that are below what HUD will allow me to charge, by the way. So, we are renting below the HUD limit.

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>> So, we're renting below 80% of the MI as far as the rent control. So, HUD would allow us actually to do to rent it for higher. So, we're actually renting them lower right now. That's just the way this that's that's the way the residents are. So we can't more than what people are willing to pay and right now that's

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why the rents were there and we're fine with it. We just need help. >> We're happy to. That's why we're here. That's why we've been here since 2016 when we first acquired it from our oil and the 40 railroad.

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>> I love it that you allowed fur babies to stay. >> All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Any more discussion? >> I don't want to go back to the first agreement. I think Tim did a good job

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with the second agreement and that's the fourth tenure >> was 100% filed and then 75%. That's what >> that was the Bob Brown agreement.

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>> That was the original agreement. >> They did what they said they were going to do in here is a minimum of 120 units. We're rewarding them for what they've invested into Kerry already. They've already put I don't know 12 15 million We'll reward them for that 32 million >> 32 million. We'll reward them for that

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32 million with probably $100,000 a year as well. >> Sorry, >> we're also promis to start with the the last agreement that was that was sent to everyone at the last

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meeting. You're talking about the original or maybe we have to resubmit a proposed contract. >> We're going to have we're going to have to have ordinance to resend this ordinance and the other resolutions. So then we're going to need just a agreement or contract with them. It

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doesn't need to be done by ordinance. Just make it simple. Do what the county did. It's one in there. >> Well, I like the county. You all the county denied 3% amount of units. >> So what terms would you all like to see

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in whatever the incentive agreement you would have to continue? I would even think that you would have to resend it because it hasn't expired yet. You've heard a lot of things. So, I guess I'm asking what is it that you

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would like cuz then they're also being referred back to something that was rescended in 2016. So, what terms would you like to see in this agreement outside of the 10year sentence with the 75% 50%. Is there

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anything else? >> I don't see any trouble going back the original agreement. That's what city agreed to. The original had loans. It's not the same. >> The original taxes just for that one.

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That's all we >> made away. I understand. >> So had a 250,00 asking for that. They just want the taxes in portion. So would you just like another contract resubmitted with those terms in so you

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can review it because we're sort of talking in spaces like oh >> and I would agree to >> well he's asked a lot of questions that I wasn't anticipating I didn't see any of those questions you asked before the meeting so >> I didn't have any chance of pondering it I don't know if John did or not but

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>> I was not sent the memo that the city manager sent to the council until less than an hour before the meeting started. Um, council member Bryce asked me to review again the contract that was submitted um, proposed in the last

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meeting um, and compared to the old incentives from 2022. So, my goal was just to be thorough, not to be confusing, but I did that was not what was stated at the last meeting was what was presented as far as a contract that

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that's just what the developers and owners wanted. It wasn't a particular opinion. So when I saw there was an opinion stated outside the meeting, I wanted to quickly try to go back to what I was asked to do, which so I know officer Brian >> Wait a minute. Opinion stated outside

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the meeting. Council member Bryan's in the meeting asked, if you remember, his closing statement was I asked the city attorney to come back to this meeting to um to describe the contract that had been submitted at last meeting, the

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Avalar taxes contract um or ordinance or resolution um and compared to what was done in 2022. So that's what I was prepared to talk about. So, I used that opportunity because that's the only way I saw on the in the um in the agenda to

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address those things. And so, some of those things or those points I was making about what would be the tradeoff for the city at the end of the day. >> Yes, sir. >> So, be council to say that she did that.

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>> She's supposed to keep us informed. >> Understand? >> So, what what are the differences? What are the terms? >> The differences. I think the most glaring um difference is that the most glaring differences between 2022 and

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2026 that was proposed was the longer time of 15 years and um the lack of requirement to complete 344 units. Um, and so what I asked or at least my intention and what I asked is what could

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be the trade-off since there's nothing in this new agreement that will require the completion of the project that was visioned in 2022, the last council action. And so I believe in good faith

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they noted that they would be even if not their desire is to hopefully to build on more and they shared why those would be the desires but also that there was two things I at least heard that they would be willing to reinvest the money saved in their tax abatement into

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the current phase and actually report on that annually as to how that look how that was invested and I felt uh that that at least ask the question of what is the tradeoff as not the reward for the investment.

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Like I said, a lot of businesses have invested in loss unfortunately, but there was a tax incentive that was attached to building and being a benefit to the particular citizen. So, I just wanted to ask as I would what would be

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in place of that if you can't promise to bill more and um if you can't promise to bill more but you're asking for a return of money that you're paying in taxes, what would be the justification for our actual current situation to justify

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doing that? If they're going to continue to build into the citizenry that have chosen to rent there, they're going to reinvest that money into making what they have now better for the residents which and better for you know our particular what we're trying to do in

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building apartment or any other business in Perry, Florida. That could be I believe something that would be a justification as to what basically what are you being incentivified to do if you've already done it. not the idea of what you've done in the past, but what are you going to do now? So, the city

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has something that they can also say, "We're not doing cash grants here. We're not just, you know, rubbing the back of people who've done a lot for our community, but how can we go forward?" Because you're asking us to give up that that bargaining position because you're going to get it regardless of what you

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do. You can take your money somewhere else. >> I don't know what you're talking It's built into the deal. It's 100% of their taxable base. If they build more, they get more. It's built into it. >> I understand that. But the money owed is the money owed regardless. >> So, as I was the money owed is the money

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owed regardless. >> There's there's several conversations going. What's that? >> If they build phase two and three, their taxable value goes up and they'll get a double their incentive of what it is this year. It's built into it, >> right? >> It's simple. I don't know what's taking so long. I don't either decide 10 years

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at 100% or five years. >> You don't want to build it if it's empty. >> Well, the food track gives that that protection. This is not personal. This is business. And that when you take that away, >> you're not it's built into the

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>> It is taken away when you give the incentive without them completing their portion. It is it is given away. >> You're incentivizing them for the portion they did. That's that's my opinion as to the matter. And so what I was ready to talk

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about was the differences and is there could there be a trade-off that benefits the city? >> And thank you. >> Thank you. >> And so I would just include that in a >> legal position. What do you recommend?

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Well, I feel if if you all feel that that reinvesting them, not just getting the getting the tax abatement, but reinvesting it into the their particular phase that they already created is sufficient as a public goodwill, then I

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I would not disagree with that. But I just wanted to make sure anything that the city can do to make sure that they're encouraging or have some accountability as to why why this larger corporation is getting they're getting a portion of what they're paying in taxes.

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Um I think you know could be satisfactory if you all feel satisfactory. Not trying to create an argument to create an argument but it's not our money. I really had a conversation with a couple of people I know that I consult really and

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we are we answer several thousand people that's why we're doing what we're doing. So yeah that's why I was asking questions about rent concessions that sort of thing.

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So if we are agreeing their counselor supports 100% bad years and 75% the bad years tell us what anyway

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I would add the annual reporting and them showing the reinvestment of that that incentive back into phase one >> and they don't have a problem with that >> right that those are the questions I asked and I don't think they're I don't think we have to just take it just to

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take it and ask questions basically do the same thing just with reporting editor >> it is >> and showing reinvestment yes sir because they don't have to reinvestment during but if they're reinvesting show that >> accountability that's all

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>> that's it >> that's right >> said perfectly just some a little bit more accountability as to the intentions of them >> and thank you for doing your job what we asked her you to do >> I know it gets strange because the stories are very compelling. We have a

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lot of businesses, small businesses that never would even be able to ask for this type of rebate >> and the government's taking it looking at ways to give people property taxes back. And I just wanted to make sure that we're not just constrained in our budget based on the hope that someone

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may do something in the future. >> Okay. So what does that make our agreement look like? What we set the framework for? Basically set 100% for 5 years 75 for five more

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years then basically concessions in just with accountability just showing paper where the money's going to >> just account for where the tax money's

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going that's the basic thing work if I'm understanding correctly what it all down Yeah, >> that's >> okay. >> So, somebody going to draw that up and bring it back for approve or >> make a motion for us to draw that up.

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Bring it back for approval. >> So, the motion So, the motion would be 100% for 5 years 75 for five or additional years with accountability. >> Yeah, that's what I wrote. That's what

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y'all said. That's what I wrote down. I'm just reiterating the answer. So, we're all clear on clear on that. There you go. You need to vote on the contract the next meeting. So, you don't have to vote on this today. That's y'all's direction.

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>> We'll get a contract together. >> Is that everybody's everybody agree with that direction? the contract next. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Bouncy apartment village.

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Council will take the action necessary. Anything changed on that, John? No, they called Carly yesterday, too. I don't know what they talked about. They're they're making payments now. The 5,000 one went through and they made an additional 2,000. That's what we're

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doing with them. They're paying 2,000 extra. They get a call back up. >> So, we're making progress. >> Watch him closer. That mic doesn't work. >> Got one over there that works. >> They got one in front of this one. >> Okay.

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Thank you. Agend council to discuss a fiveyear capital program and council to take any action necessary about the same as it was as me uh surely asked for two neighborhood. I couldn't remember what second was. I put

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the range. What was the other one you were talking about? What was that? >> You mentioned two neighborhoods for septic to sewer and I put the um in here but I couldn't remember what the second one you said it was. >> What's it actual name?

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>> Thanks. >> I got >> I don't know what y'all calling me. It's Tan Street. >> Ash Street where >> West Ash Street

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>> um west of I have not added that yet. I couldn't remember what it was called. >> Okay. >> But I did add El Rancho and I'll add the other one when I figure out what it is. >> Where's your name again? I know I did two of them.

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>> Yeah, I also questioned the uh the real campus. >> That's on the agenda, >> right? I was speaking positively for that. I went to the original planning

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council meeting this week and there was a >> yes a separate line on the >> we're going to talk about discussion on the CI Well, the one thing that bothers me is

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right now we're sitting at >> 26 27. We're sitting at 100,825 >> 542. I looked at it earlier. It looked like it was a big jump for what we've done in the past. and then and

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28 29 20 30 29 30 it drops dramatically. So I don't know what big difference is that any of it but >> it's a big difference. >> What do you mean bottom line

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>> in the last page? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yeah, that's mostly all grants we got coming up. They'll probably move out the later years. >> Well, I hope we do. >> Any more discussion on >> how many do we have to cover with each

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other? >> Grants. >> Yes. Hope we can >> I can make a list. It's probably right around 100 million. >> Okay. >> So, just email the list. >> Thank you.

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Agenda item 6B council to discuss about your local mitigation strategy plan. Council will take any action. The whole plan is like 178 pages. One thing really important to us is that we have our projects listed on the LMS list

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and they are >> how much is it going to work >> money? How much money is involved? >> Right. This is just if we do have a hurricane, this allows us to apply for hazard mitigation grants. You can't

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apply to it if your project isn't on the LMS list filed with the county with emergency management. 100,000%. >> No. Uh the two we applied for were like 1.4 million and 1.1 million from Adelaia and Helen. But this won't this won't

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come into effect unless we're impacted by another. >> Is it designated for mitigation? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> It's all generators. 14 generators and another four generators I think.

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I think it's 11 and four. Okay. Need a motion. >> Motion. I have a second. >> Second. >> BR. Council Hampton. >> Yes. >> Councilman Wood. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes.

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>> May. >> Yes. Agenda item 6P. Resolution 2026-16 local mitigation strategy resolution of the city council of the city of Perry Florida formally adopting

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the Taylor County local mitigation strategy. This is the tri county to sewer. Sean didn't want to blow his whole sewer connection budget in one move. So, it's to increase revenue because they're going to reimburse his back and also increase his budget for sewer

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connections. So, it's a wash to the sewer department. It's just getting his money back for other sewer connections. own sewer. Is this something new? >> It's for the new truck county building.

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>> Um, Sparrow Street off of Sparrow Senator Granger from Granger Drive and Sparrow to Tri County. >> This connected to exist motion.

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Should we have a second? Second RS. Council Hampton. >> Yes. Counc Woodfall. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes. >> Mary Country. >> Yes. >> Agenda item 6G. Ordinance number 1059.

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Introduction to first reading. >> Ordinance. An ordinance of the city council of the city of Perry Taylor County, Florida. Amending chapter 50 utilities of the code of ordinances sections 50-21

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to 50-22 related to utility billing due dates penalties and latest termination providing for conflicts providing forability and providing for this one move in

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Today is the 20th cleaning up the >> discussion on it. >> Is John is this going to help the traffic at the window? >> I thought about probably about the same.

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Probably not too much different. Probably not too much different. >> Okay. >> I always forget about Charlie. How you guys kind of

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>> um I think it's pretty good thing. But here I am with my books. Um it appears to me that we should have also stretched out the

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the late uh fee process. give them two weeks since we're charging the late fees. We're only giving them better days late and then comes.

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Is there any way we could make it a little bit better on those people who really can't the next month's bill? It's >> going to mess up the process that they do feeling and for the next month.

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>> That's terrible. That's a little >> What was that? >> You're running into the next month billing cycle. >> They're going to overlap. >> It's going to overlap. >> Yes. Pushing out the the due date plus you got the the late fees. It's going to

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interact. It's going to lap with the next month's field. Okay. If we're helping part, shouldn't we also think about helping those who are not able to pay?

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>> They got an extension. I mean, if they need to extend it, we had to pay them for the extension as well. >> The due date for five days. So we had to make a cut from what other people can

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pay. That's that's what we do. But I think that I would hope I would hope this time please. Okay. Any

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other discussion on it? >> I think it's resolution 2026-17 budget amendment pursuant to connections. on the discussion. >> Yeah. >> All right. 96h

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to discuss land purchase for the new plantation road. Council will take any extra thing necessary. >> I'll attest for those. really good. We knew it was going to have high iron. We were having a treat for that. The only

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thing kind of concerning was the uh the draw down, but we were planning on putting multiple whales out there anyway. Probably two possibly three different whales out there all in just one treatment plant. I think I think we're good to move forward with the purchase.

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>> You received the chase results. >> I shared those with you on the last meeting. I think you >> that was the draw down test. >> Is that the same thing as the pressure? >> Just how much water you'll be able to get out of there. >> Okay.

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>> That's just that's going to be everywhere you go. >> Everywhere you go. I was coming somewhere the other day have their stuffs on. >> Iron can be tricky though. I know I had

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a well in Jacksonville. We had iron. We put a filter on it. It worked for several years and they started feel like sand. But the iron and filter can be treated. We filter port out of the other two

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treatment plants. It's always one of them. Although I got a better up here some places at the county really. Back to the next meeting of approval of contract.

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Any more discussion on the land purchase? Okay. Agenda 96 I council to discuss over control for water if station will take the action necessary as our doer to put a little memo

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together what the plan is for the new station that should have been here. >> Yes. I don't know how it works, but it runs off Miracle Grow. >> It runs off Miracle Grove.

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>> Has this been tested in any other counties? >> Says this technology is widely been used in dense urban areas and high value residential settings where sensitivity is high. It favors because it eliminates voters rather than masking them. Eliminating is better.

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>> Was there for that? >> No. How did it was not part of the original planning phase for one of those stations but was identified during design as a needed improvement. As a result, it was included as an additive alternative in the construction bid. If the total bid

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amount including odor control comes in under the current rip grant allocation, the system will be installed as part of the initial construction. If not, the odor control component will be deferred and later implemented using the FD SRF funding. The system is fully

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designed and bid ready for future installation without redesign or operational. >> It's already out. Notice >> it's the last two sentences that bothers me. Did he give you the city counties or

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whoever was using it? Did he give you the names? All right. What was it? When was this fun? If we need an SHM fun,

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>> probably about a year. They shorted. It was supplemental preparation for hurricane Milton. I guess it was Milton Helen and Hawaii wildfires. I guess it's just sh now. We'll know more when the come

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back. >> When will he be able to come to >> here? >> Yeah. probably be fairly soon because we had to reissue the RFQS for engineers. So, they're going to have to come do their dog and pony shape

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with it. >> Okay. because I just don't want something to come in temporary and then we go over there, we do all this re this surface stand and do all this rebranding the lift station and then we still have that odo.

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Um we've been putting up with that odor ever since I was a little girl. So that something over has to change. >> When the bids come back, we'll know how much it cost and we have to add city funds. If y'all approve it, >> we can find a way to get done. >> Okay.

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>> One way or >> another, we're not building a whole brand new one in advance that they're re working that one. So we should save money from what we originally asked for who >> is the trips.

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>> Oh yeah. >> Well the idea of eliminating it. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Very good. >> Any more discussion on this? >> Okay. 6K council to discuss block cameras

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to take any necessary. As I was saying earlier, I worked at the North Florida Regional Planning Council this week, last week, and there was a gentleman there from the Florida Highway Patrol many years on force. Charlie, I

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don't have his name and his ranks, but he gave a he was talking about safety overall. But then he he mentioned block cameras, too. He was very positive about using it because he said they can catch the

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criminal before they ever get into the city, into the area. They can catch them out there and and stop it before it ever starts. uh had a lot of good things to say about it. I'm in favor of it.

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>> I've had people in law enforcement tell me the same thing. You can I guess you can tell which how because they're see what direction somebody is going. I guess you can hunt. You can type in a tag number. Dan, you probably better.

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>> There's a bunch of ways you can get. You type in a tag number and it'll read it. You can put a photo out for it. >> If it's been run, if it's been in front of the camera within the last 30 days, after 30 days, anything that was run is eliminated, deleted out of the system. So, it only holds that information for

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30 days. >> Wow. There's also a lot of lawsuits as my list of capitalist >> where

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Jamie you know how to look this stuff up just >> I don't know what information you have I'm just asking >> I didn't Thank you. Thank you. What's this? Well, let me let me say it on a personal note.

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I feel like I'm being watched every day. I turn this corner has taken away my practice. To me, I don't have anything to hide. Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything.

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But to me that I I should expect at least some type of privacy. this campus they taking every move to make it are you is has it been shared with

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federal government >> m >> I asked you a question >> okay just make sure you're done speaking I thought you were done um it's being shared with any law enforcement agency that's authorized to receive tag information yes

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So that includes >> if they have the ability by law to receive tag information. Yes, it can be shared. >> Okay. And there are lawsuits. Some members of capitalist

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deactivate their campers against their contract. I think what we need to do is look into this a little bit more and inform the public a little bit more of what's going on.

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Now, you said that we have no control of what the state is doing. But I am concerned about what the city is doing. That's my concern. And how the people are about to say

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they're very fierce about it. Do we have any all city streets? >> Yeah, there's we've got 15 cameras. Not all of them are up and running for streets and we've got five for parks.

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Uh those park ones are not powered on yet. And we haven't bought anything. This is a trial just to see if they work for us. Um we haven't got any contract to purchase anything from anybody. We may decide we don't want flot cameras. There might be a different vendor that

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does something different beneficial. This is a trial. >> I would like to give this company a chance to come in and speak on that as well. >> If you like, I could have somebody from Flock come in and give a presentation.

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>> Is there anything you're not sure about on Flock? Is there something I can help you with? Whatever you take for. >> Well, first argument is is that everybody's required to have the tag on their vehicle by law. >> The tags required to be visible 100 ft

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during daylight at least 50 ft at night with a light on. Um, so there's no way that we can eliminate the provision of plane view in the state of Florida. If I can see it from a public area, I can use it and report it.

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It's plainly do. no different than your car. If I want to stick somebody on a corner and record every tag number that went by, I could do that and we track it the same way. Um, second thing about privacy is throw your phone away because it tracks more

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information than your tags. So, if you want to worry about privacy, throw your phone away and use your house phone. That's the biggest argument for this. It doesn't take pictures of people. It doesn't take pictures of occupants in the car. It looks at the color of the car, the make of the car,

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and the tag number, and that's it. Stickers. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Where are they located? >> I don't know all the locations. I have to pull the map up. But there are several on the main roads

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in and out of Perry. And the reason we chose those is last year we had a homicide. And that homicide, we knew the vehicle the person left in and had the tag. We didn't have flock cameras, but we called Tallahassee and gave them that tag

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information. They were able to tell us that they were able to track where that vehicle went in Tallahassee. We were able to find that guy. Tallahassee arrest him for us and held it until we get the warrant through. So, that's that's a local success story. And we don't even have a camera up that two weeks ago, we had a runaway juvenile

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that went missing here. She was located in Gainesville. they're able to track her back to to Lefayet County and find her and return her to her family. U every civil alert, you know, someone that goes missing entered into the

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system can be tracked with that to find people that have gone missing from their families that wander away. Amber alerts. You know, 2022, we had an off two officers recover a kidnapped child on an Amber Alert because somebody happened to

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give a tag number to a dispatcher. If we had a system like this in place, we' have known it was in town before they had called dispatch and been able to find. So, I think the good outweighs the concerns that you're talking about. Um,

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it does good. It's another tool. is no different than us sitting on the corner and watching people. >> Absolutely. Come on. Come on. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Never mind. It's okay. I didn't know you had back surgery.

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>> Question. >> Say your name for the record. the name Wayne done with it. Therefore, so um I bet the main concern would be uh make sure everyone understands

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exactly what the camera is doing and what they're not going to do like pitch up there, right? Um, I don't I would hate to get into a situation

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where they have understanding what they're supposed to do and then all of a sudden we start doing something else, using the data for something else >> and no one know. For instance, like tell

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I was taking my boss on one day. They had a sign up there, but then they dropped the sign on a small letter, right? So, I've been going back and forth there like for months, years. Then I get a ticket in the mail.

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Said I was driving like five miles past certain time of the day. So I end up getting a $100 ticket in the mail at uh it was the school zone on the back

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side with north mall used to be in so have schools on sign on the end of the highway probably about 2 miles and it was like lights wasn't on the sign it wasn't flashing but it said they you

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can't speed can't go past this uh certain miles per hour up to 4:30 and I think it was like 4:15. So I end up getting that ticket in the mail.

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That kind of example. No, you're not supposed to speed through a school. Don't understand that. But you know, no lights are flashing. You know, it's 4:00 in the day, but then there's a new sign up there saying it's small writing, you know, saying that

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can't pass that uh 35 miles an hour. 30 25 mph until 4:30. So I would hate to get into a situation where um uh that we are clear about expectation

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but then if those expectations change I think the public should know on campus brand new camp we we install them everywhere. I I'm you know they I run the network and so they all over there we have about 2,000 cameras calls camp

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but I can understand why uh I understand uh uh the situation by property too by time I roll up on cameras now I'm looking what I got in the car and I know it's nothing illegal but it just crossed my mind because I know the cameras everywhere right

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>> um they implemented one that has some AI that detect guns and you know a gun in someone's pocket or they hand right and then it it alerts the police officers within like uh 3 seconds that this

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location that's probably a person that may have a handgun or a rifle or something instead of waiting on the phone call to get in and then you waste time and it could call lies. >> So they'll watch with it either way. I think, you know, I think when you're

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clear with expectation and now we just living in a world now just it's kind of no privacy outside the house, you know, uh everybody wrote a lot of guns. The law changed, everybody can carry a gun. um

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you know is is I think it's just about being clear on what their you know objective of having the cameras in place and that's what we end up using them for and not getting the court like the definition of said use to solve crime.

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So what's the definition of crime? You know, so do we go beyond what we said were going to do with cameras because this action defined possible crime. So now you went over into this side of what

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you said you was not going through, right? So it it's we had this debate on campus. It was a large paper but fairly everyone was uh you know suscepted to having the cameras cuz it feel more safe

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in the environment you know and as long as you don't just place them in certain areas are you are you not place them in a certain neighborhood. Yeah, there's a high crime rate in this neighborhood. You may have one or two, but you still have camera cameras in, you know, all

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around the county, not just in one place. For instance, I wouldn't have, you know, 10 cameras over by uh one street and all by the park. In other parts, you got one camera, you know. So then it makes like a race thing, you

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know. So if we define what my opinion, you know, what we going to do with what the plans for the camera and we trying to enhance the safety, I don't think no, no one is against safety. I've seen some things happen. You know, uh uh you know,

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police have to be careful now. You know, they in jeopardy of their lives. Uh just needed to find what's really happening out there. Now, uh, at the traffic light, I don't see a problem personally with them being there, you know, but I don't want to see if I ain't pay my tag.

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I've got paid this week, I don't get a a ticket in the mail or neither, you know. And I'm not saying that's what they bought. I'm just giving the definition of just being clear. live clearly for safety and preventing crime, helping

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find people that's missing like J was saying and things like that. Hey, I think everybody be all for, you know, uh, but that's just my opinion. I mean, they they have these apps now along with the cameras that can do other things,

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you know, do scans, things like that. Uh, I can see where we're going dealing with safety on campus. We'll probably be like China in the next 10 years and every street corn everywhere you look and then AI want to verify your face you like a pile.

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>> That's where we going to be in 10 years. I'm just I'm involved in involving technology. I can tell you I know >> that's where we going to be. >> Yep. Okay. But I but that privacy concern I know especially when dealing with el older

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older people and all you know you know you worry about you know being watched on everything. That is my opinion. >> The chief said that we could get a representative from the company to come

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and explain >> works and that may help with commission as well. >> Yeah. I I'll see if they can come. They've offered to do that. Um but they're just going to go over that slideshow that I give you the printouts on. Really is what they're going to do. U

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these cameras don't write tickets. What it does if it finds something that's a wanted person or a suspect we're looking for Amber Alert, it sends an alert to the officers on duty that that camera hit this tag number and they

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have to go find it. It's not like it's gonna stick a GPS tracker on it, you know, it's it's it's just giving alert that vehicle is in that spot at that time. >> And that that's coming whether we like it or not. You know,

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>> that's typical technology now. >> If you drive on the interstates, it's happening every time you drive on the interstate. Now, if you go on a toll road, >> they're Orlando. >> Yeah. I get so mad when I get things, you know,

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>> we're not going to get around it. I would suggest there's another town that has them that we may know of anyone that's using them now maybe invite their police personnel here to say hey if we install them we have 6 months or a year

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and this how it has helps us you know and how well that has been for >> cameras are norm now >> they are I got a list of success stories in Florida I can send you and talk about finding missed people, finding murder

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suspects that >> the surround the surrounding cameras came already got this. >> There's pretty much a a camera desert between Tallahassee and uh Crystal River. There's not a lot of cameras in there. So, we're we're

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we're a desert. There's nothing there. Um, that's the reason we looked at at putting the cameras in is we can share this information with the Realtime Crime Center in Tallahassee and they've helped us on several cases in the past with information and we

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would supply that information to them so they could use in their investigations as well. >> Okay. >> Um, I know Jefferson County has cameras, but they're not flop cameras. They're a different system. Madison County has >> I can't remember the name.

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>> Is it cloud based? >> It's cloud based. Yes, it is. They have trailers as well as stationary cameras. So, if you see it on the way to to Tallahassee, there's a camera right there at CAPS. That's right. That's what that's their system. >> Okay.

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So, >> it's not block cloud. >> It's block. So what's the what's the block versus something else? This block is Dell and HP. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's all it is. Just they offer

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different different >> ways to use information and if I may you'll find in other parts of the country like it's not only flock because one area is vendor heavy with you know vista or what's that? That's >> well there's a Burton

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Vieira >> Vieiraa. It just depends on what section or region of the United States you're in as to what is flock in Vieiraa or Vista or whatever. >> Flocks more prevalent in our area and so it would interact better with the

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surrounding counties as they start bringing them on top. >> Okay. >> Alahass. >> Yeah. Real time crime. >> I'm a part of that too. college like you have your own server

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part of the real time crime. >> Start hearing this discussion. Can I ask your name? >> Justin Brock. >> Okay. >> But the real time crime center is a real deal thing. You know, I'm part of that with the university. I can't go into too

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much detail, but um it's a real deal. It it it enables them to get to the scene probably 4% faster. >> And with some of the things they're running now on pilot up there with the

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drone, they can be on scene within three minutes, right? The drone. >> Yeah. So, >> thank you all so much. >> This conversation was needed.

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>> Miss Aaron's going to make sure the public is aware >> to add to that. What I think you were getting at was the mission creep. >> Yeah. you know the surveillance state.

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>> The answer to all that is just don't break the law. >> There's an added component to this is we we would have a pol a use policy in place >> with an audit trail policy on how often we audit who's running what, how often.

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So that if we can find any misuse in it. >> Yeah. >> So that's part of this plan. If we implement it, that's what will go into place is and we limit access to the hazard. Of course, it's only people that mission critical hazard. Not everybody inside police department would have, you

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know, only sworn officers that can legitimately run a tag and get that information can can use this information. U no one else in the city can have access. >> And it stop. not mean that you know you don't break

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the law but people especially technology people they concerned about anything that's dealing with your facial image on the ground got 20 credit cards my face on like you get all these calls now like I do um because of uh uh hey do you want

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a loan I got a $50,000 loan right up getting you calling you loans loans all because the system probably got hacked somewhere it could have been your Visa card system got hacked and now they have your information. So people is are kind of

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concerned that hey my face show up on something then that system get hacked now they have access to you know my face and that can be on be put on anything fake credit cards you

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know all kind of stuff so it's it's a little bit more than just a hey I'm not going to break the law but the other concerns is that these days that people are kind Got to watch everybody else that is breaking along. >> Huh? >> You got to watch out for anybody else

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that is breaking along. >> Yeah, that's true, too. But >> like hacking in all that. I understand. I get those calls every day. >> But all this AI now and this hacking a lot. >> I do appreciate it. Makes y'all's jobs

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easier. I mean, that's that is a great feature. take any action deem necessary. >> So on that >> we're not entered in a contract with anybody there. It's it's a trial right now. >> Um so if we and it's if we did it it

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would be closer to budget time before we even ask for any action on this. >> Okay. So you'll come back to let us know >> because we may decide we don't want to use the law. >> May want to use a different vendor. It just depends on what works for us. >> Thank you. Agenda item 6A council will

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be discussed for influence letter commerce. We'll take any action necessary stuff is required for the DBT grants. receive grants from my board country of concern that for a grant package. We we have to

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do that ramp package a motion motion. Second >> yes. >> Yes. >> Dr. Lry. >> Yes. >> Mayor Ker. >> Yes.

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Item 6L council to discuss appointment necessary. >> I don't have anyone. >> Okay. Next meeting

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agenda at 6 a.m. Council to discuss city manager evaluations if council take any necessary. Well, you don't have them all so >> Yeah. So, I'll get them turned in. We can get added back to the agenda.

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>> Very good. Thank you. Agenda item 6 in approval of minutes for the April 14th, 2026 regular session. >> The correction, I'll bring it back. >> We're done. You have anything? >> Yes. >> Okay.

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>> No, it's coming back. I had to make a correction. I'll bring them back and make I don't have any unless you have questions for me. just have you contacted about the science that like

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they weren't trying to do There's going to be some aggravating. >> You have to fill out a something that said it. I'll send it to you. Y'all can take a look at it. >> The county was putting us at the county

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lab or something. What you about two or three year process probably I do remember that one of them staff meetings it went on forever see >> two or three years to get them to

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>> agree that they would do right away it's going to be a certain way >> that's the reason that we >> stretch Jefferson Street

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because we didn't do things the right way. >> I'm not going to say it didn't take long for one situation. >> But if we don't do what we need to do, then how are we going to

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get permission to do it? >> Might be able to go. >> Oh, it's got to go through. >> Thank you, kid. I know that some cities have theirs off the rideway on private property. >> Depends on the the rideway. The state

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rideway sometimes is extremely large, >> right? I've seen Yeah, I have seen some that were obviously not on the rideway. They were off on a piece of private land somewhere >> or look like they were. Maybe I was wrong,

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>> but it was but it's got to be close enough to or >> Okay, >> that's going to be put on a whatever the requirements are. >> I have it. It's a community aesthetic feature.

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Yeah. I have the CF filled out, signed letter, agreement, plans, and then the resolution passed. Yes. Then that's just then you have to build out that's not including what you have to have it manufactured out of.

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>> Well, I'm just not other cities could do it. We could do it. >> It could be done. Thank you. Instead of telling what we want to do, ask them what can we do about their course.

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>> I opened up the documents and it looked like Chinese to me. I'll send it to you. >> We eat for you to do what you needed. >> Food already that we want

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anything. We have to follow directions. I'll send it to you so you better understand what I'm talking about. >> You have to send it out. >> Maybe you get what you hope and you'll figure out what it is you need to

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do. If we don't fill it out, it'll be six years from now before >> I agree. Think it just happen. >> That's true. Never gonna get it done. We've already approved it. So, >> give me three years. It's going to take

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that much time to get it done. >> It's not going to take you three years, John. >> I'm looking at it right now. >> Anyway, you going to start just turn it in and start working on it? >> I don't have the location. Do you want

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the signs? Tell me where you want them so I can have that information to put in here. >> At the city. >> Okay. I'm asking I don't know this up for everybody's discussion. We're talking five signs on the main road

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basically generally speaking. >> So replace the city limit the current city limit sign to put >> Yeah. He's close again to the city and they're out >> you don't want them back city limit sign

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you want >> yeah at the city limit the city of placed at the city I'm just going to say this most put their welcome out bad mouth

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down. >> Well, I always assumed it was that city. >> And he said it with the cover, too. and other on that too on where you know somewhere

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They knocked the damn down last week right back in that day. >> I don't know who that does that kind of work. I look into it. I just want to I'm done. >> I just appreciate all the work that's

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been done. All right. City looks a great hear about. Thank you.