huh ien heard anything Chang on the agenda anybody know there's like two and a half pages you see what I did was that the wrong agenda oh speaker we're going to call the January 23rd 2024 city of Perry counil submitting the order just a reminder to silence your cell phones we have opening prayer and Pledge of Allegiance um you like to do the prayer bow heads please speak alone we don't have speakers we don't okay this evening my heavenly father we come to you with thanks thanks for keeping us to be here for another year Lord we thank you ask your heavenly father you will watch over us throughout this meeting asking that you would direct it so that it is held in a safe and orderly fashion asking that you will guide our thoughts so that we can make the best decisions possible for the city of p in Jesus name I pray amen amen pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for hey there hey um I pray have the items on the Cent agenda I'm sorry council member Bri here council member Hampton here council member woodfall here vice mayor Landry May C here it's all right we're out of practice I mean I'm hitting the speaker we're out okay must be the altitude missed okay approval now approval of the items on the consent agenda approval to read by title only resolution 2024 D1 Mo council member ran yes council member Hampton yes council member woodfall yes vice mayor L mayor K yes receiving requests from the general public any person wishing to address the council regarding non-agenda items will be given five minutes whereas groups or delegations will be given 10 minutes for discussion if you look at that seat right there we're missing our regular attendee parliamentarian we call him parliamentarian he uh he would actually go out and try to recruit people to come to the counsel he couldn't do that but what he did do Penny knew him down south son yeah and all the sons probably probably he was yeah and um he enjoyed calling her and calling her and calling her and Danielle he called me the two before he passed he called he was he would ask me something I saidel but he's gone and U I knew him in high school he was a rough and tough one man it's pretty rough and tough it is pretty serious time yeah I didn't realize until he ran for City Council in North Miami in the 70s so he was no stranger to politics one thing they didn't uh put that I haven't seen anywhere is he tried out for the Miami Dolphins oh and made the team but it made more in construction work than playing football so those were different days weren't they that's like 1961 I remember told me that story yeah Taylor County History went in the grave with that man that's true he knew every time you talk to him he always talked about the P I knew it vividly yes any other any other person from the public like to speak okay bids any bids that are to be opened in the council meeting and public for will be done during this time we do I'll read my regular statement here please read before the opening of sealed bids at this time I'm opening the sealed bids for re-roofing of two restroom buildings at rosee Head Park I will only be reading out the vendor and the amount of the bid there will be no discussion this time about any bids that's being opened these bids will be given back to the purchasing agent and then to the department which the sealed bid is for the city Reserve reses the right to reject any and all bids the city reserves the right to select the bidder wave any informalities or to accept the bid deemed to be in the best interest of the city any errors in the bid submissions are responsibility good I'll have you folks sign this after uh okay and first one is Walker r and they saying $732 next one's Rogers Roofing and 28,000 quite a differ a little differ big difference we'll have to look into that later and this one's 6,600 for and Son's r that all in yeah that's it other bid we had before you were under the 25,000 threshold or you have to vote on them up very good down to 6 a said Little's not going to be here okay we on table this want address any concerns with that I talked with Char about it feels like he's kind of using this as his platform for running I don't know if there's any I because it's freedom of speech well it's the mayor the mayor and the city manager's agenda no no no no no you don't have on correct so you can that he can get his five minutes that any other citizen can have but you do have the right as the city manager and mayor that this is your agendas and if they're going to keep coming with the same tail each week you know we've heard you we you're working on it well there's Provisions in public meeting access that says if someone's merely trying to agitate you can cut them off and have them removed from the podium aish that way that's the way to handle it and that's the way you handle it under under under that under the law that's established um and there's the documentation and statute and guidelines that covers that and I've got the documentation I can provide to the council if you want me to for that that' be my suggestion is to handle how the statute sa to handle okay agenda on 6 B city manager to discuss with Council hiring a grant manager and Council to take any actions deemed necessary I gave you a little summary but we're finally starting to apply for Grants and get grants we got that $5 million cl5 million 4.7 something for replacing the listus concrete water main um we got a 20 million request for Appropriations for public safety building we got another 20 million request through Swan River and kind of state revolving for the new water treat plant all these things take time to research they take time to get the paperwork filled in right all that kind of stuff that we just don't have time to do right I think we can make a lot of progress in this city if I had someone riding and managing the grants yeah what what I've been told about grants is great me if I'm wrong anyone feel to is when you get the grant is when the work starts the reporting the management on the back end is the major portion of those Grant and it's time consuming extremely time consuming um deadlines yes and every one has their own system you have to learn about that particular Grant what paperwork how they want it how to submit it it's a full-time job yeah those grants of the past that we were able to just apply for and get it has gone have gone more of a competitive process on all this stuff there's a lot of reporting behind the scenes you have to do yeah I've been told grants have gotten a lot more intense as well I've been I work with at the airport the grants departments across the street from me and every now and then we talk and she was telling me that they've got more intents as far as what they want and keeping up with and Reporting times and how they report and just the whole thing no not easy you're assuming you're going to get all these grants not going to happen I'll never myself personally never support a full-time person we were looking or supposed to be looking at a contract person whatever happened there I told him to get after it nothing ever happened what nothing ever happened we hired this Widow Bryan it's the same company that's doing our um female contract we hired him well for the storm to do that for us no progress well they sent us a bunch of stuff A lot of it was stuff Jamie was familiar with for the police and a lot of these grants they're not 100% things and true it's do you really need that stuff and it was kind of it wasn't real what we were looking for there wasn't a lot of research on their part into what available grants were there they were just looking at the traditional grants that we've already applied for in the past but not a lot of work behind it yeah and then they said of course srfs and usdn it's like well we're already on board with that we don't need to bring somebody in for that most for their portion of them the grant rer actually writing is there anybody that does contract Administration versus I mean somebody that does as a contractor you know in the past we' used spread fox out of St Augustine for the uh cdbg cdbg grants but that's but they exclusively do those grants that's it cdbg yeah what happened to that Grant by the way I don't know we uh they sent us an email a couple weeks ago we applied for Wastewater lift station um no one that that was for the water well that never went anywhere because they still haven't selected a site and they said the cdbg would only approve it unless we own the property well the cdbg there there are contract people out there that do that that's all they do frad fox every year and I would the only cwg one I know that we've gotten is the shade thingies that ain't out there is the what the the stuff Bob did way back when the awning project didn't happen yeah so I don't know of any cbdd that we've in the last 15 years it actually turned into something true but have we applied I've applied twice already have we you've applied for two CD bgs what were they for first one was the whale and the second one was for standby generators Li stations no you didn't apply for it that's he's talking specific ter you didn't apply for we were investigating it we can still apply for but until we own that piece of property it's kind of on hold yeah ask the question is city government allowed to hire Ops workers couldn't we go that route no yeah op there no with some of these this particular Wastewater those that's just another Grant rider that's a specific and uh it it's going to take an Engineers what will take for that you'll be working with staff Engineers got to be Engineers do that contract Tye got and M provided those did they do it or well they've done whatever they've written a lot of Grants and got them for us the srfs and USDA ones we did they manage it no they didn't manage it no yeah I do that well we need to find I'm sure they will know somebody that does that we got touch with the S cap guy that did the the first riff and he's going to our second Rift and he submitted the one to the Swan River yeah does he do he does some of them see man [Music] too well let me speaking again um trying to find contract type city of Mariana waited till they had 10 grants going at the same time then they hire a full-time person manage it and keep it going if I can get some more coming you I'll tell you what my concern is we're going to hire one and we can never get rid of them when we don't when we don't need them that don't happen op get rid of them I guesse you want to look at Contracting maybe Ops and is there see how work that bill Ops is think should did the grant still have Administration fees you can some do some don't both ways okay how whatever parameters that governing board invent when they I never knew what it stood for either I it was just basically fulltime of benefits or just by the hour out makes a difference in any other discussion on any discussion on this one or we need to we're talking about doing something in the future so let's see we can find this contract somehow I'm going to keep trying to find grants myself and build this backlog up get too much that I can handle or the staff can handle we're some John you forget there's 24 hours in the day I need you to help me about 18 of you you're only a 23 okay agenda item six we're going to table now um jend item 6D resolution didn't we just do this resolution 202 [Music] 24-1 a poli okay to read by title only yeah okay a policy resolution of the city of Perry Florida in reference to Tobacco free in City vehicles and providing an effective date some of the staff not all to any can you guys probably got different ways to control that don't you tobacco and that that includes VAP it looks like also [Music] electronic okay well I I think good oh I would change uh one two three fourth line company to see and same thing on uh next page we're under the free policy one two four I really at the end I realized where you got this why that's in and go to UH responsibilities second sentence employees who did not conform to this policy May and uh maybe that should say will because the uh well one of them needs to be changed because it depends on what's in the Personnel rules go back to your first page one 33 whereas it says disciplinary action defin in the Personnel rules that and this should kind of all together I think you see other than that I'll make the motion let's do it second council member Ry yes council member Hampton yes council member wood yes mayor K yes all right agenda item 6 e cancel to discuss exercise equipment and disc golf for Lo Park and to take any actions deem necessary I read what John and I then you know he is a protol and I talked to someone else who has got experience where he used to live with these things he said some of these 100 yards apart w't work here way get hurt no this thing down with the exercise equipment around the walking trail what was that J we still want to move forward with the exercise equipment walk that it was I think one of them was 18 right just just below 20 and I think install equipment climing oil and all that I mean but yeah I agree with yes company's goingon to do it okay is that similar to the equipment that set Heritage similar to the equipment that's compx okay you do pushup on us wait for the pushup things like that it's more than just a pullet bar course we have to put out for bid least we know kind of do we got that's settled a motion need a motion or do we come back with a budget amendment or come with a budget amendment we're not really making any decisions so I want the consent that you're going to approve it wasting our time well well when the bids come in I guess we'll have to look at it then no it's state contract oh you're going okay I got you gotta all right six agenda item 6f when can hear me sort of kind of they're louder D it's hard to believe but anyway fire department to discuss budget for part-time employee and counsil to take any actions name necessary we like to two parttime employees just to cut back on overtime this is the budget uh 22 23 we budgeted 60,000 for overtime in the fire department and we paid out 118 almost double and we were short 48 Grand and regular salaries already this year it's right at Double as well in order can you get part-time folks can what said can you get part-time folks a lot easier we get full-time people to do overtime I mean I mean the part-time people they work like the two we got now works at County Fire only certain days they can work gotcha so we need somebody that fill in them days that they can't work that all of our guys is basically the full-time guys now B to burn out on over time we've already got to this just take it to it take you part time to regular time instead of time and a half yeah it's it's not going to increase any and not benefit no benefit every hour they work is taken away time and a half hour yeah we're already this is current actually through November you're at 21,000 for overtime versus budget of 10 regular salar is 104 versus budget of 138 so this will get us back in line the budget yeah yeah can you give two I'm sure I think we already got two part-time work well that's that's just like you guys you don't you have part-time to fill in and it's the only way you can go yeah you gonna have to because if not you get them to the point where they're gonna be working yeah and that put you in a dangerous range when you put working on 48 or more yeah we were really bad through Christmas with vacation and couple people out hurt yeah we still got one open position now so time right and we got one out on workers comp and one out on medical for surgery he's had won't be back till uh end of April first May so you need somebody to work his at his original original ship so yeah so what action need us to take on this are great position so let me what I would say is make it work we gota gotta make it work you gotta have them we're doing it to get the budget back right we're out a budget right now yeah could make a budget amendment moving it from overtime to regular I wouldn't mess with the overtime but we still gonna have overtime but it just won't be that much hopefully yeah because you don't never know when someone might get sick and need to go home adjust it later on too you go five people nobody answers okay still need to be saying got a bottom line fire department and you're not you're funding this with that overtime that's what I was over time whatever you need to what while we're on that looking at the last year the overtime in the water and the SE if you if you brought in a person half in water half in sou see see how that looks we also had a person I don't see how a floater would necessarily be the right way to go with that a lot of the overtime and time spend in the water over the last budget year was we did not have people we had a lot of Shifting positions with JL they and I mean I would love another man by all means and I know when we build the next water plant we're going to need another operator period there's no if answer but about that but we're not we're not going to move to an a no no there's no expected move up and on the water side currently we're not even a b we're only a c plant the Wastewater side we a b yeah but there shouldn't be anything predicted to show it need to go to a be yet and the Wastewater the uh supervisor felt very sick and he's you know so that's why they got L but if we want to make a budget amendment to add a man to the water or the waste water I don't have any complaints with that how you going pay for it I need one parts to item agenda item six G nothing think go attorney DS to discuss the impact of Senate Bill 774 and form six and Council may take any action deemed necessary I don't know if you'all seen the front page of a lot of papers around the State of Florida it's been a lot of resignations among City Council Members just a question should we that last agenda it should we vote on that well they're saying work for the part time for the fire oh I don't think I don't know that we got to saving money is saving money I'll just over time to regular basically telling us what you're doing yeah no that's good question I mean is any action they miss there could mean voting on it anyway Miss damps happy New Year everybody happy New Year so um this bill 774 um has had Municipal officers only file a f a form one um and this form six is now going to place local officials on the same disclosure standard level as the sheriff as the governor as um as State Legislative representatives and just so you can see the difference that form six used to be like a 5,000 people filing um every year and for one was like about 32,000 people so it's going to change that Dynamic quite a bit and what it seems like people have the purpose of the bill is you know basically to be a deterent towards corporate Cor corruption and the idea that um those who sit in office and can make decisions regarding finances and vendors and things that their their financial lives should be disclosed and but with form six you have to disclose liabilities more than $1,000 so whereas in form one it's $10,000 so it's a lot more it's a some people use the word intrusive but um you know there is an expectation now that your public salary is disclosed your sources for your salaries or income including secondary income is disclosed if you have a client or vendor that provides not a vendor a client that provides up to 10 or 10% or more of your gross income you're to disclose that so you can business owner or business owner um and you to disclose that which can be very problematic particularly like with lawyers and doctors where the privacy of your clients and who who may be providing 10% of your gross income could be very problematic but um and you know a lot of those things you know whereas you know you'll be given assessments of household incomes and um different things that you just didn't have to disclose before and even in form one where you would have to note um different things like um liabilities you necessarily have to say the amount even though there's things like credit card debt which is excluded but it's a lot more um it's a lot more taxing of a form to turnovers a lot more personal information and a number of of the councils as you all all know um are not bringing in a lot of money um a lot of people it's almost like just volunteerism and so there are a lot of push back particularly in some of the places I was reading about in North Central Florida where um a lot of people like this is not worth it um and there has when I contacted the Florida Commission on ethics um particularly wanting to know more about has there been any movement because some discussion has um stated that they felt that it was at least the incoming candidates or anyone who runs in the November elections are now aware of that standard and they can make a decision whether seeking office um whether it's worth um having that disclosure be a part of it and so there's been some pushes to ask for all current candidate or all current Municipal officers to be grandfathered in until the next election but that's been a strong not but I can say the Florida Commission on ethics they have a hotline that's available and they actually are really responsive to any calls you may have or any concerns that you may have um CPAs and attorneys can assist with this filing the filing is due on July 1 20224 but something that's different about form six as well is that um you also have to present sort of like a a shot um of what your um assets and liabilities are as of December 31st 2023 and that was not required so as much well depending on what your assets and liabilities are it's much more work um with this particular disclosure and the reason why a lot of people are not wanting to go forth is because of that you know that violation of privacy some people believe it's violation of privacy um but also just the idea that in some of these places there people just saying it's not justified we work too hard and now you're going to ask us every year to do this full disclosure when um often the power in which to um I won't say the power but um in L way it's just a really great Public Service effort so they're pushing back and a lot of people didn't recognize the difference it sounded you know it sounded very fair right the governor does it state legislators do it the sheriff's office has to do it but um now that you know every um Municipal elected officer has to do it there are people like well we're not going to do it if you do not um comply with this on July 1st 2024 it'll be $25 a day penalty up to I think it was $1,500 um just like the four and one basically yeah yeah four And1 $25 a day as well um so I didn't know exactly what type of questions people had but it does seem like there has been a sort of mass fing out if you would or at least people threatening um to quit and I guess we'll know more closer to July 1st um but you're not required to pay for an attorney and accountant but um but it is pretty involved and so you don't want to be potentially um brought up on any type of um accusations of of disclosing inaccurate information you know may be something that you consider especially but if you're in business you probably already have an accountant that can help you with this but um you don't have to be in business for this to be a much of a pain um in your side um I know it is disconcerting but it does seem like that is going to be the standard and there's seems to be like the that there's not going to be a change but I guess this legislative session something could happen but right now I was asking for all possible wiggle room um to have some insight and there just doesn't doesn't seem to be any except to say and this is not a wiggle room that they're really wanting um the violations of not doing this can result in impeachment suspension and removal and fines up to $20,000 so they would rather have you ask questions early and um many times versus having anyone or mass or people in Mass just sort of curtel um the form requirement or don't do it correctly so um because of that this is probably the best time to contact the Florida Commission on ethics if you have questions but um the the entire application process can be done online um there is opportunities for you to submit different things like tax returns but you don't have to as long as you you know you sign under pen of pogy of what your income is I your gross income is what your secondary income is and all the different um specifics that are pretty clear when I say pretty clear they're in the instructions of on the application but again if you have any questions you would definitely want to get in touch with them so this is due July 1st so I would suggest that you start working on it little by little now so that if you come to a question because I was trying to see what questions people may have the biggest issue I would be wondering if because as we know most people working in city council um in state of Florida and smaller municipalities this is like their part-time job they have other things so um the people who do have issues of privilege with their clients um you know those are the people who may have those this the biggest issue when it comes to disclosure um and I'm sure I'm I would argue that privilege trumps everything but um like you like like if I was a medical doctor and I had a particular client or business I don't know how they can make me turn over information um that wouldn't violate Hippa as to like if I had a particular like private I know this sounds ridiculous but like what if Michael Jackson was my client there are a private doctors who cater to a family or to a very you know I would think that the right of privacy of that person trumps um trumps um the right for public disclosure so I foresee that there may be some options where people have to disclose each internally internally and it has to be available but there may be limitations on what the public sees whether it's initials or something um but again they they state that the whole reason is to deter corruption and idea of anyone um basically um benefiting from some action that the municipality does that they somehow get back door benefit from from it so does anybody have any questions about SB 774 form6 only comment I want to make is if I read correctly it has to be done online is that correct well I everything I saw said online we used to do it on paper right I'm just saying think they system it came with this I think it's got you to set some kind of online account do everything yeah you can't upload a lot of things but yeah the whole system is online that's I wonder how many resigned a lot me too because it seems like a lot of people are threatening to well it better have by December exactly right but they would still be held to that that's a very good point um that that they should have already resigned because if they served any more time after they will still be due it's too late now it's too late I mean I saw a lot of several around the state when I travel around I pick up local papers just to kind of compare them to us and they got their own problems too but a lot of them their last meeting in December they said it's my last meeting took off and I mean I saw it everywhere yeah this is something that say the legislature has been trying to pass for years and they finally and it's basically I have to do it so you but that's a very good point if anyone chose to resign because of this or for whatever reason you would still be held to having to disclose you're right if you sered January 1st and resigned at midnight you still got to do the form six yeah I think there's something about the reporting on a specific day as far as what your net worth is yeah December 31st 2023 okay I did ask for clarity because if the way it reads is almost like have you guys all done your December 31st reports so as long as it's accurate as to that date okay or a date earlier or closer to your filing yeah I thought there was some kind of varying date you could pick or something that's what I read but maybe I read wrong or they wrote it wrong I'm not sure it read something like December 31st or an earlier date or an earlier okay she just kind of pick a date before December 31st pick that date and say I was worth this much I owed this much or whatever on that date go anyway we'll we'll figure all that out I want to answer you correctly because when I read over it I was thinking at least by the 31st but um we can figure all that out yeah we can yeah yeah whatever your netw worth was on December 31st because most people do their taxes so so very good anybody have any questions tell me about it agend make street now no I'll wait the item on okay agenda item 6 h Finance director Penny Stephanie to present financials for the fiscal year 2223 and can take any actions deem necessary is not really the financials but that this is just the cash report um and Bill wanted to just compare October 1 22 to September 30 23 and the audit just started this week so if you just look at few things fire of course over budget du to uh the overtime issue water Revenue budget equals actual gas revenue is 700,000 over budget but now keep in mind 700 you have to take the cost in y Solid Waste vehicle maintenance 100% over as to looking at that cash report the uh CRA money can that be used for striping painting all right as long as it's in the right area I mean I'm talking about downtown I get a lot of people talking about there's a lot of terrible until we run out of that money we let it last there's no more c yeah we got use it up for what we're supposed to do with it and I think U wrapping would be a good thing bu with it what bu some trees with it I'm getting rid all these getting rid of all of them what you putting in place bons out [Music] trees he's got the people invol things it'll be green all year around those things are hitting you can run your car into them can't you before the curve hits you okay yeah that's that's good what uh then I noticed under water the CD F ia uh was 780 and 540 what happened you know right water revenue and the CD yeah probably spent it I mean I I can come back to you with an answer yeah okay but you know the money was there we probably transfer or something and one of them was rolled with a a Maris yeah Bank and then we rolled it so for this report I just Consolidated the current one because Amis isn't in the picture anymore but uh spent it on well it's designated approaches CD any more questions I have one question yes ma'am how much number do we have off the phones how much do we have oh uh till 25 well it needs to be spent by 25 so we got all we need to doesn't prend when you got it got two separate correct installment so some of it has to be spent prior to yes and it's it's getting used this year okay and actually um he's going to talk about the status of disaster too but think having some of that ARA money to help fill in the shortfalls of insurance and FEMA might not be a bad thing got some cash to use that next conversation on WE G look at this striping next definitely some downtown area that improve I agree traffic it would help with traffic control all right any more discussion on that no we'll move on to agenda item 6 I Council to discuss Utility Billing relate fees and take any actions deem necessary and and also the agreement fees but we had suspended them due to the storm and uh as the next cycle that'll be five months so that's giving everybody five months um break so kind of like to get back to doing normal stuff incentives to pay their bills on time now that we're getting bills on well that's up to the post office and that you know well the one I got this one was right on top well that was just you this is an ongoing thing but our bills go out on time every month so the new new software is going in still is it still on track for like January the sometime in the summer that's what we heard and then people could sign up get online plus people can always go online now and look at their bill if you got your if you got your account number that's the only thing about it is a big usage right on the online B I don't have the amount because I think the company that did it was just focusing on the dollars because it's a it's a payment thing nothing else but it's not your bill online it's just you can look at the do yeah but usage is important I'm sure that'll be with the new system yeah you know people call us thank you so you need us to are are you V us or you asking us if we should go go ahead and do it yeah you have to told you I was going to reinstate Lake fees without telling y'all first right so if there's no objections [Music] we okay with me I mean y'all want to give a consensus or a vote a vote so maybe a motion or something saying that they suspend the emergency uh suspension of the late fees and the agreement fees motion to motion to unsuspend have you been able to tell a difference since bck at closed as far as youing payments a motion do have a second second council member bronze yes council member h yes council member woodfall no mayor C yes okay agend item six J yes ma that would be the late Fe first extension Fe can I change my boat agenda item 6j cancel to discuss rule infrastructure fund Grant application approve city manager to sign application and take any actions deem necessary this is the same type grant that we got for the obesus concrete main line but this one's just for Hurricane and Delia impacted areas I think the Seven Counties they open it up for I didn't want to miss this opportunity to get something in I didn't really want to do a whole another large construction projects what they said we could do but I don't think that's right to ask for that kind of money right now so we're going to do a city of Perry storm water planting and preparation Grant since we don't have a storm water department storm water budget storm water maintenance storm water operate procedur none of that hopefully that'll help us get more projects down the road or storm water projects motion to do it one question no what a region of planning PS can you help us some Stu you need SP with Scott specifically storm water stuff yeah there good not we move to well we have a motion a motion okay we have a second I'm sorry getting ahead of myself second council member brze yes council member Hampton yes council member woodfall yes mayor C yes thank You' all for helping keep me straight didn't just start today either it happens agenda item 6K city manager to discuss loan resolution to receive the USDA funding for the vacuum truck for what the waste water department and Council would take any actions that deemed necessary we applied for the USDA grant for the back better truck for Wastewater Department initially we thought it going to be a 55% Grant 45% we pay and I guess when they Chang to the 2020 census data we were above the median income I know it wasn't the population population was fine so it had to be the median income that knocked us down to only a 35% Grant but that'll help us with $122,800 that USDA will cover on that Jetter truck it's better than nothing and 300 the resolution to accept it the mayor have to sign that the application motion to do it second council member Brian yes council member Hampton yes council member wood yes May yes John this certificate of public meeting this is July 25th mayor okay that was when you first first appli for yeah [Music] um I just the cond you did that I mean if you it context the past I was even [Music] close okay J item 6 l cancel to discuss City owned property damages and insurance from Hurricane i d you and take any actions deem necessary I want yall to be aware that our insurance estimated total of 1 what 3 million yeah 3.29 they 329,000 and they WR us checks for 367,000 ouch taken the um deductible and appreciation so we're about a million short of what they said we had damage to what we got from insurance so when people start asking you why are things moving so slow I'm kind of waiting on I want to know what theme is going to do for us we start making all these rep repairs with our money theme is in here right now they but I've heard from everybody that money's real slow coming and some of them had to redo it sometimes it comes with strings I think fe's estimate it was six million because a lot of things weren't insured like the streets and the street signs and and part well that that was not put on the insurance because it's granted but it managed to get DED what was say the granite the top caps for two of The Monuments but they're getting fixed we're getting redone actually and two of the benches and two of the benches yes ma'am and these projects I don't have it on here but the turnkey projects once they're done they're going to send us invoice for deductible we're just going to have to write them a check whatever the deductible was for these buildings here you told me it's going to be about 400,000 so that's what I'm saying we can use some CRA money for some of the stuff that's in the CRA area I mean roof for the depot but BMA might give us the mitigation to get a metal roof on that so that'd be quite decorative and sturdier just a lot of ifs and these FEMA people are inspecting daily and uh almost every day it's four five or six people for each project and today uh they came to look at fencing at the booster station and over the Wastewater Plant and that's all they did was fencing and if they're moving at that slow pace they've not looked at hardly anything they spent an entire six hours here at City Hall just looking the city hall not the police department not the council room but the city hall it's one of the main reasons I've been slow working on things because if we do fix everything like it's supposed to be we spend a million of our own money least one more but more insurance money is coming right I don't think so can we start working on these things and send them in actually it's higher than what they estimated we fixed already have a hurricane like that every single structure has its own hurricane deductible city has one big hurricane deductible it's every single structure has same thing Schools running into school system County as well everybody I guess in in the same Insurance Fund or they're all modeled the same way yeah n those lifting stations or is I see there by number is um the one on Tas Lane is it on there hope so yeah Corner Thomas War uhuh it's not on there um I don't know the actual number I think it's nine n we got 1,400 bucks I'm not sure about the number we use we use the names every leg station was dedicated the number thought it was nine I don't I don't know if any damage that was recorded there was your damage on M okay was it 1400 I can't tell you how much it was but I know it was damage done to it and it need it it that was one of my things tonight I was going to discuss it needs to be replaced what can we do about the smell from it I know when when when was that initial station put there do we know the year and how often we replace them how does that go we don't replace them until we have problems what thas St and Warner uh okay which one Warner and Thomas stemp that lifting station right across the to water the the lift station was upgraded in 2005 um from submersible pumps to above ground pumps um I think if if I would have to guess I think we routed Goodman's they they were tied into a forc man we rerouted it um basically to to relieve them fighting against each other Goodman's dumps in the water we didn't have a smell issue but we were having a fibrous mat and I I mean I can't I think I know where it's coming from but I can't say with certainty but basically what was doing the mat was building up and it was affecting cloes to where the station wouldn't turn on and off properly but basically when we rerouted it we we ran the piping down into the well to relieve the gases okay we used the turbulence to keep the lift station clean but there was no smell at that time when we've done it and we've put these uh Cherry deodorizers in the station and I've actually talked to a company they they handle odor issues but um I think one thing that would help is the doors on the station or just chain link doors if they were solid closed doors and we maybe help the the bending at the top that should help but I drive by from time to time I don't smell it all the time but now I'm I'm I work around sewer all the time so I'm not the best judge but um yeah it it it comes and goes and it is stronger than other times but when that mading was in there it was bad it was real bad mm it has calmed down a lot but when we get like that rain and get a lot of wind that's when we go I go get the phone calls blood pressure yeah so and that may be is that the only one we have that problem out of I mean we the grer LIF station we get a lot of U ketchup packets and things ramen noodle shoes the jail and um we basically have to blood the station Pump It Out it's a con it's a Conant and you know some some stations have we have grease and rag issues in most stations but um you know like I said just just driving by at certain times Warner is is is the only one that I know we've had SM long as we looking into it and trying to find a better way of controlling it when find that is there any way that you can make it look any better it looks like it smells I mean it does I mean it's just a an i sore and that's most of what what our problems are is that some of the stuff that it can be a little paint throwed on it or fix the fence up on it and it'll make it look a better but some you know we have I ain't going to call names but I've watched some of them they just ride past them and like oh well you know so that's big the biggest problem with the city what's going on with us when it come to certain projects we we ourselves can take the initiative and say let's throw a coat of paint on it or let's pick that stop sign up and put it where it's supposed go instead of let me go weeks and weeks and weeks without it being picked up but y know we have lot to do I know you guys do a good job I would not take that from you but you know you always have the bad that make the good look you see well I I would love to you know maybe have there there's some trim work that need that's falling off just from it's it's old and one of the vents yeah because it's real Rusty yes ma'am house maybe even put a privacy fence or shrub around it then also too um it'll have to be maintained Mowing and the trimming and all that so I don't know if it's if it's something you know we we could you know I don't know if the inmates can paint it or but I just with everything we have to do now and like the the the the rain and the water that process um and I hate to tell you I would love to tell you yes ma'am we just we can stop and paint it and all that but um um like I said I myself would love to see things and and the fence repaired but it all comes down to money and time so um like I said we we're working on many many things and it's and I don't it's it's been it's terrible I started with City 17 and it's looked terrible it something needs it needs to be done should have been done yes ma but so how big is the fencing around it 15 by 15 or 20 by 20 probably I'm going to say 75 by 75 maybe it's that big yeah the property is that big I mean um I've seen the chain link a lot of inserts you know yeah you can't see as well in it um yeah the little privacy slats whatever they're called and I would love to change where the gate opening is just for safety reasons traffic getting in and out of um but you know yeah I mean just I know it's not a part but if if there was a way to you know make it look like a part just you know beautification yeah there you go um and and there is there is a sidewalk there and U there's there there's a lot of Road trafficing a lot of walk so I mean it's it's it's in the public ey yes but we you know um we try to focus on like the actual working of the station mhm um the stations are have their life expectancy um so we're trying to put in the budget that they'll have to be replaced and when they were rebuilt in they're supposed to be rebuilt every four years they were rebuilt in the end of 2021 and there's three similar lift stations Goods War and the main Li station M just to rebuild them to where they're where they will handle flow and they'll pump like they're supposed to I think it was like 30 35 34 34 $35,000 so um we we take we try to take the taxpayers money seriously and we're trying to develop a plan to slowly you know upgrade these pums and yeah I agree with you Goodman is kind of hid can't see War we just can we look into that any other discussion about anything about the property damage not we move on to agenda item 6m City attorney to discuss the city of Perry versus Fred solar's legal matter take any actions name necessary okay thank thank you mayor um I wanted to um discuss the status of the city of Perry versus bread sellers at all um matter um you all whove been here for quite a while you're familiar that um Fred sellers is a citizen who lives off of bacon Street and there had been a nent complaint filed Mr Curtis the the prior to the attorney was asked to um file for temporary permanent injunction because of the nuisance that was described um as gambling prostitution um sailing drugs and things of that sort and when Mr Curtis um looked up more information regarding the property itself including um like the boundaries of the property it was determined that actually the city of Perry owned the property um in that neighborhood in which the house that Mr sers and his wife Shanda Manning lived on was actually on property that was owned by the city that was given to us when the subdivision was created um I believe in the 40s um so then what was added to the complaint besides the temporary and permanent injunction was an an an action to eject them off of the property now this was filed back in 2021 and um since then there has been a summary motion meaning arguing that the law is on our side which I think the law is on our side regarding both both our complaint terms um but so asking for the court to make a decision just based on the law without much other testimony just based on the law because unlike private citizens we can't have our the city can't have its property taken just because it hasn't been using it or adverse possession um so whereas a private citizen who had property that they knew someone else was using and on for 20 years or 13 years and then try to come back and encumber that property or sort of like punish or um to that person's disadvantage remove their ability to use it that family or that owner could go to the courts and say hey we've been adversely affected because we relied upon our belief of what we own um and so we would ask that that property be considered ours not the people who own the D to it well when you're a government body and you weren't using a place that was a Alleyway or access point someone can't just say well we've been here forever um the government is protected from that the reason why I wanted to bring this up is because um there has been continuing negotiation with the opposing party um with their Council John black um who has like Decades of experience in land litigation um out of Tallahassee and um we have been trying to negotiate a potential resolution just to see what was available could you go to the next slide and please forgive me if I'm repeating a lot of stuff that you already already know um but what I was hoping tonight is to hear from each council member as to what if any um resolution they would like me to see and review understanding that this is not the last discussion it's just there's many way ways that this can be handled and um Judge Parker has given this case over in January to judge blue who um is stating basically we have to well I won't say what he said um that we have a we have a court date for March the 4th to have um for the trial to begin for for the city to argue um their motion of summary judgement and depending on that decision to go forth with a trial um where the court would just make the decision um and so what you see on your screen there um that large blue rectangle is the lot that the city that the city owns according to the deed records and and that red box I guess it's is noted here the Manning sellers um is that's the lot um for the deed records that they own but in the middle and you may see it through the trees there's a house the house that the the sellers live on is on the city property um in fact there is an argument that it's more of an encroachment than just a pure parcel aspect I've gone to the land several times just try to see it from an aerial versus 3D person on the ground view I argue that is this this sort of like Drive makeshift driveway that's on the boundary and I think the opposing council is arguing that that's a part of the house but either way um as you look at it um the Practical implications and I'll just put the temporary and permanent injunction to the side just the question of injecting the sellers off of the property um so we have the opportunity to continue with the complaint as noted that um they have to remove themselves off of that property um and we would then have the right to um demolish the house or do something else with the house but according to the law um any improvements that have been made on the property can be assessed um I won't say against us but um would be um a portion of what the city has to um take in account um that particular lot and there's some arguments that the lot value maybe compromising this assessment um because it seems that it continues to be described differently but on that lot that lot itself the blue box it assess the value of the entire lot for $122,000 and the red box lot for 16,000 so um if we did not if we did eject we can um have them remove have them to leave the home and we decide what to do with any property that's found on the home but we would um we mean the city would owe the the people who moved out of the home some type of value for for what is considered arguably Improvement of the home um other things and I'm just looking from the city point of view um other ideas had been um to to switch Lots if you would um and sort of that long blue rectangular box to split it in half and switch Lots um and that is an idea that also has come up which is why I was arguing that one that the house was fully on one lot um but that is an option as well but the the issue and of course the sellers have the the choice to put money into trying to pick up that house and moving it to that lot um and it's no insult to them but if anyone's familiar I don't I don't I don't know um the value of that the house isn't not not the best condition but that's you know their decision um and another decision or idea is and that they've offered to their attorney is to buy the second lot um to the to the red so is there red lot so to buy the blue half and I I'm not on there but hopefully you can see where the numbers are I would suggest the numbers up to buy that lot and just create two lots for their homes and by that lot since there's some question again where the line cuts down and I didn't have a surveyor with me um going out there but a surveyor has gone out there um but to just sort of complete that lot since there's some division potentially of property or the house in the borderline um so so that is a question if we want to inject eject the people from that property um potentially switch Lots if if that can be divided up in a way that I'm not capable of deciding I don't know how to draw those lines uh or have them buy that lot now the that the red boxes the red the red box lot is valued at 16,000 and the the blue box is valued at 12,000 so of course if we were looking at just what is being Val I'm probably doing it way too simple to suggest that potentially that amount would be at least $6,000 which it will still be um it would still be pretty hard for the sellers to um pay off quickly but the opposing Council has offered that as a potential resolution now what about what about the two yellow Lots you were talking about how that it would still be an access issue not right yes it would I I was just sort of G to go to that gotta um so so that potentially resolves the argument of moving the ejectment aspect of just those um those citizens being removed from the the home in the in the city taking that property back but what it does not cure is that we have those two yellow boxes at the bottom that that the mayor is pointed out that our landlocked um and the the the land to the left lower bottom that seems to have gone to the harest Man's family still is not the deed is under a person a different person's name but the address is still the horse man like his wife's address and to the right Derek Nils owns that property and I don't know if you can push that up we have Bacon street but then there's Union Street that's right push it yes we have have Union Street so and it's hard to see but almost where the V is that lot that goes directly to the street is also owned by Derek nails so there's still an issue of there being landlocked property but um in my research I even bother Danielle today in my research um there there would be benefits of creating easements even if and that can happen a lot of different ways of course regarding the property negotiation with whatever is exchange if exchanged or sold or switched with the m with the sellers in the city there can be an easement coming from um Bacon Street um and I put in a call to Derek nails only because at one time I was trying to like what if we took this piece and gave him that piece I was like yeah that's why I'm not a surveyor but just to um to because although there is not very obvious to the to the right side lower box there is now a house on it there's it's sort of like a shell of a house um like there's nothing inside but onto the to the left there is nothing there um and just in looking at either a easement by necessity or prescriptive easement because landlock properties have the right to have um of course a right away to their property that I no longer think it'll be as difficult to make sure that um that um the landlock properties have access because the owners of the yellow box are also the owners of the lower box going to the street does everybody get what I'm saying it's not drawn in but lot the lot right there this yes thank you is that your pointer that lot it also belongs to Derek nails so his he has un incumbent access to Union Street it would be this small it's actually so much smaller than it looks but it's that piece of land that has nothing on it that would need some type of easement and if you I don't want to get too much into the minutia of easements but I believe the easements would definitely be a measure to give that property owner um access and I think the way the LW is it would be pretty mandatory um who would give the easement who would get it give it who would give it the city the E the city I mean I'm sorry I was looking at an easement by one which the property owners would agree but when I went back and looked at this I was like we could place an easement on the city property so if we were to sell or a transfer the easement will stay with the city property and there would be an easement going to Bacon Street which is not the closest but it's still get access so that way we wouldn't have to seek permission or or hustle with the land owners who have nothing to do with the mess up of the de office so the the blue box talking about selling it or part of it or something to that's where the house is sitting no the blue is it I'm sorry I I'm looking at his use of the mouse that Mouse do you see where the mouse is on the blue that's where the house right it's across the it's in the blue light basically yes sir okay the easement would come from where to where well that's definitely where I need surveyor but it's if you ever driven down Bacon Street um I I'm just wondering is there enough room for anybody to even drive past exactly I I'm not a surveyor so what I was told it doesn't look like it's what I was told is that there used to be because there's a lot of foot paths and traic paths in this area by Munchies is that there used to be a dirt road that followed that path but again I know that's another house unscientific un verifiable yeah that was way back when Mr Peter Well was living I've driven in the past I've driven that at work there's trees now it's growing up you'd have clear the edge of that property line there's dog pins and structures from the house to the property line as well that would have to be removed for and stuff there's a whole bunch more that you're not seeing because the tree cover so I think it's possible um but one of the reason why I said I know that all questions won't be answered today um because it was even more clear when I was out there like I'm not a surveyor um and so but um I did meet with one of the um the Mr Nails doesn't live in Perry Florida and I met with the guy who handles his yard work and and I mean he just gave me that tip bit of information that there was a road there and I just figured when it came to disturbing property access and rights if we can keep it along as a part of the negotiation with the sellers that would be the best um but the land itself is so small but in that map it looks huge um I just kept saying am I missing something so um so what I was you know we have schedule I think I Shar with you march 4th um for the trial um and that's just how I think you know trial with all the witnesses nicely subpoenaed including our Sheriff here I mean our city city city police chief sorry um I apologize um Mr Cruz and anyone else um available so I always have to think okay we're going to trial until them when settled um but they're also the opposing council is wanting to take a deposition of um any of the people who may be testifying and that deposition need to be done sometime in February um so when judge blue on last week was like oh we're we're having trial so you guys decide what you want to do as he expertly told me when I was City attorney we would rejected to 60 days have been done um so he's not he's not allowing for have this play out so okay so here's what I'm W hoping to get some feedback I feel like I think I may know what your cinnamons are but I I think it's important for this discussion and for each council members to at least allow me to know what resolution would you be most interested in pursuing and I can get you more information so I'm not asking for you to vote Yes or no um but just for instance if the the nuisance I did not talk about yet but if the nuisance Value Plus everything else including the fact that the city has a right to that property um that you see inment as the way forward then it I know how to use my time um regarding going forward um because I do believe think the law is on our side um when it comes to our right to take that property back I don't know the cost of demolition for some reason someone suggested maybe $20,000 I don't know if that's the correct average um so we will be looking at the cost of demolition plus any added value to um to have to give to the seller's family if we were take that who determines that the cost of demolition the the value you would have to pay the value and approvement I believe that would have to be assessed by someone who deals assessment of property value I I don't know that's a good question me note that I don't know if I don't know I don't believe it's as a direct um I do not know if if the house for instance is valued at $6,000 and is torn down I don't know that then that that would obligate us to value and give $66,000 but I would take that at least as a as a small indication of how much you may be talking about is anybody living in should you guarantee no one Liv they live there okay there's a minimum violation there in that there the family lives there and they have a special needs child I'm sorry council member what were you saying I said can you guarantee that guarantee what 6,000 3,000 no that's what I'm saying that value would have to be determined by somebody by and appraiser but I imagine their council is going to argue for the maximum it's a really it's a really really um long lived and well worned down house so Val at is theirs it's their house right they they're enjoying living in that house that's the best they can do exactly no it wasn't a criticism as much as I don't know what that value would be take my fear is that somebody's going to come in here and say they buy you about $60,000 or more more the building that whole lot would be that I don't know why we this is being so complicated go back to your other [Music] slide right there when horse McLoud mov that house and he put it where he thought it would be and he was wrong in all these years it never got all these years why won't you just rent give them an easement on their city property and they cannot no one can build on that property in the future there you go or sell that I wouldn't sell anything out I mean if that's if that's so they can't afford to pay for anything I can say that the property looks a lot brother I don't see everything that used to be there I guess chap would that and I don't know whether they're doing that just until this case is I I don't want to see anybody put out because there's no place for them to go and they won't better afford the rent so that's that's how I feel y do what y do I'm not much on addicting people from their houses either I'm sorry what you say man so I'm not much on evicting people from their houses either for necessary yeah it's not necessary nobody's has told me why it might be necessary especially now special needs child this all started from complain and it's taken further than we expected it um all we're after is toate the nuisance and the public safety concern for that area that's all we were after and as long as that continues not to be a problem I'm fine with whatever yeah but whatever decision is made it needs to be noticed to them that if it that that activity starts up again then it's it's a different G I'm sure you can put that all on paper I was ask could we do that on on personal property you can't tell someone what they can and cannot do but on the easement are we able to well okay two things I get to the new part yet but because there has been request for temporary permanent injunction so the temporary has been in place so a part of the permanent Junction whether the permanent Junction um is granted what we asked for was a sworn statement um that they would not allow the new activities to go on that's what's been written plus any damages okay um not that we can ask for more because it's a broad vision of and whatever basically fits the situation so I don't think that that is the issue but the the opposing Council has stated that um whatever if we were able to resolve the matter that would keep them on the property they would put in whatever terms we felt necessary describing the conduct that would be permitted and they would understand a breach of the contract the resolution if they were to allow it and I just want to note these things they're little they're sort of tangential but I just wanted to note them um there is will you go back to the other slide and I know all of you lived in Perry but I I haven't been here for years prior to a few years ago um so that little tree line that that's that's behind Munchies um is that tree line goes into that area and there's not actually not a lot of there's like the house by them there's no one living there there's a house across from them while I was just out walking on the road the nuisance I experienced was the people coming from around the Woodline asking me for money um and ask me what I was doing there ask me for my money what you looking for Daddy would you come over here um but I don't know and again just like in anything you can't try to get out of responsibility of something by pointing what other people are doing but um I'm just really curious if maybe code enforcement if there's been a nuisance issue if code enforcement can look at some of of maybe it's not a code enforcement thing but there's a lot of trash like that whole area that's not their property not the city property it just look like where you supposed to go and do drugs and I'm just wondering um is there some also benefit to try to clean up that space and make that not um hospitable to people who may need to take their activities elsewhere but um you know definitely that can all be written in the contract so what the what the opposition I should just said where the attorney black had offered um noting that the family does have very limited financial means was the idea of switching Lots switching that part parcel um and correcting what everybody thought was the truth until the nuisance issue or allowing them to take both lots and pay over time or try to pay pay for the lot that most of their houses on and continue with the lot that is placed in the D Record and in about 18 months you're going to be for closers if you can't pay for what who going to pay for all that survey work they can't pay for that give them a least is what I say that area behind munches that that owned by munches where they actually sit at part of that lot yes have we stayed on him about we we have been after them our next step with them we may have to the magistrate I'm not sure we to go back and check the next step we start finding them for allowing that to go on um and then you know of course we follow the established practices for attaching feeds to property because that was the traffic and that was the mess I saw I mean they they've kept their space I mean it's very modest but they've kept it neat yeah and so you know they taken pride in what they have and they just um again I just want a direction from the council to let everyone stand um because actually what was happening and what can still happen um you know if we don't make action to towards it it'll be dismissed and we don't want that we want to be able to negotiate with this going forward if we can't come up with a solution but um I didn't want to just take for granted what the what the council's thought was would you all someone Shar um the council members regarding the idea um that councilman bin said regarding um creating an asement um disallowing any further structures to be placed on the property but not necessarily trying to sell them the poral that the city owns and if the the house whenever it goes away the easement goes away no no he goes with it well if the house goes away the house goes away he's go right goes with the house I me it may not go away for 50 years I don't know but we we have not intentionally have not done any other Code Compliance actions on that property pending and we have not addressed it so um there's a whole minimum housing violation issue that we're going to have there that property as soon as this is settled um you know if there's we haven't looked we don't know is there holes in the roof is there or the windows missing you know we don't know we haven't looked at it all of these homes why is that AR sh we got aot ldr and our regulations that we follow when we do Code Compliance but there so many homes got to start somewhere we we're there were seven files yesterday posted properties yesterday I just don't want us to go and all these people living in these little sheds we're going boot them out I'm not saying we're going to boot them out but we we have got that's the only choice you if if the council is worried about the appearance of the city we address everything and that's what we're slowly doing you know the hurricane stuff we we're not going to do it for a while because we talked about that but but but there's ways to maybe Point them in the right direction for assistance and sunny to get some of this done there are programs out there people won't start that process unless there are reports to I'm not saying kick everybody out of their house I'm just saying if it's unsafe to live in it something has to be done well I would say this and I know are sort of getting to potential future things but in a good faith effort since this case has been open since 21 if there's a way we can handle all issues because it it starts to get to a point to look like the city is harassing this family um I don't know if there's holes in the roof I know that the house has upkeep and I am acting on behalf of the city so I take no size I just want to note this that one of the issues opposing house first thought of was the idea would the city be happy if they tried to put a fence up um but and looking back at our complaint you know they're not responsible for the the drug out under the trees right so I'm thinking even though they have very modest means and a special means child if there's an improvement that's noted not one that we sort of think could be there then I believe they would be open they just want to be done and not worried that one day they G be told that they gotta get out of their house yeah so that's why I definitely wanted the city to direct me as that so what let me ask so finding out what that house would be valued now or the cost of improvement or we just I'm trying to see I'm sorry I'm thinking and talking out loud um well if we don't give some kind of easement or whatever they're never going to be able improve it because it isn't sitting completely on their property they get an easement where it will sit a legal easement they could improve it yeah because then they count the county got some blood and ship stuff going on now you see you say where I'm coming from they have some kind of legal it has to be in their name right even if it's an easement it's got to be something Ironclad to you know yeah oh ement idea yeah like I said if it ever goes away the easement goes with it what I can tell you that next hopefully by the next meeting um but even prior of that we've been working on sort of a bower plate agreement um but one of the things has been the aspects of the surveyor ship that you know the idea I don't know why I had an idea that the city just had surveyors we could use um whether we have to hire a surveyor to go back out there or not but um I have something to give you an idea of what's being requested just so that you know we would like to resolve the case as a case versus something be dismissed or go through the cost of trial and subing just for a resolution everyone seems to be like you know there's another way of handling this matter especially with property that we didn't know that we had or have a use for um a clear use for other than access to the other properties are there any utilities down it just the strip of any kind or any reason we there's there's no reason not to do it believe though but I know that I only talked to Danielle today about easements um down that property I do know the back the middle part is not developed but then there is a church there so I don't know we would definitely have to get people who it's not okay how how big an easement would we want to allow just for the structure itself for a little room around the structure did you go back to that other I guess we a surveyor or those who deal with this could definitely help but on this lot and building on this lot yeah there is a um years ago the Des I think there was actually a house on the lot that his house is on lot a house on the other one we have that's something we make can look um of course FL has a very big file and I think one of those houses was demolished ACC to the surve either that's why I wonder if the value of the lot that that belongs to the city if it's correct because even now the Fred sellers lot has a picture of the homes and the lot that's actually next door the city of Perry so it just seems like again I know a surveyor is not an answer to all things but there needs to be a lot of Corrections because they bought the property at value of 16,000 which would have been the picture which is the larger lot but that's not what the that picture doesn't coincide with the lot number but there is only one home on that structure area and then there's like I call them she sheds there is some type of she shed or some type of shed and I saw air conditioning unit in there in it and I mean because their attorney wasn't I didn't ask questions or talk but I saw a a pretty sizable one that had a air conditioning which could just be like you know someone cooling down when they work but um we have them everywhere we do people are making do with what they done they have yeah they have to can I say what I think happened here Bill McLoud was a city police for many years he bought that house that the s in and put it there he also had a house behind there which he lived in so it didn't really matter if it was City's property or not that's the way I see it that's the way a lot of stuff was done back then and that's why we're going to run into a lot of problems like this they'll come up every now and then every now and then you're right things used to be a lot more loose than they are now for doing things so so I'd say let the people stay in their their home uh give them um the stipulations or whatever you want to call it and let's get this thing done yeah that's what I done thank you all for your feedback and I will get back to you try to our next meeting as to I don't know the surveyor that was used before um but I do have we do need to at least have a little bit more understanding of what own what but um where the property is and the property lanss but you all thank you for um thank you just one last thing I want to say is go as far as you can legally with this is a place to live not a anything else party side yes my concern that's that's that's my concern sure that that piece of property had the most complaints everywhere for a long time couldn't drive down couldn't drive down that road and that's what started this whole process yeah we did a good job Chief and chief I'll get with you with maybe some practical things because definitely in resolutions there's things that are not required by law but could just be a benefit of the bargain that we can have them agree to um actions that normal normally people would have the right to do on their property as a way to sort of exercise a little bit of more direct conduct accountability um you know within within reason within reason and they're open to stipulation no they are they're just I mean like you even noted there's been no complaints well I haven't gone back and checked I'm just saying this is off my recent recollection and I also understand I think one of the complainings passed away no I think is that not true no no no the person that called me the most at night he's still alive oh still one live across from I I think it's a big Improvement it is yeah I think Florida statute has it covered on what they shouldn't be doing under that public Nuance statute that procedure for B those nuisances so if there's anything else that we can get out of it that's that that's a benefit to ensure Safety and Security and peace of of everyone else in their own homes because you know their activities were intruding into other people's properties their abil yeah I was thinking about the Practical things um like I don't know what the zoning rules are regarding how many people you can how many cars you can have in a residential area for how long um not not of course I'm abandoned but I know one of the the the complaints was like there was so many cars and traffic it was like a a club yeah you could never get down I mean that's not illegal necessarily but if that's a problem be now there's legislation created in the last couple years that deals with special events and if they continually bought the road they could be considered a special event we post signs and address it that way too so I don't think it's the traffic the the driving traffic anymore think it's more so the foot traffic it's about 703 yes well I'm glad it seems like they've um obey the Sy ceas de system and temporary and their desire is just to at least their expressed desire is to keep their home and yeah and it's really taking the focus off of their their child because they're so focused on getting this over with and constantly having to run up and down the road and going to meetings here me you know and I just say one other thing but she he's been doing a terrific job and when they run they speak from one corner they go to the they find somewhere else it's a constant thing to um I do think Munchies should do something about that traffic but as long as they're buying beers St there's ways we can address yeah cuz y' got two slow down is there yeah yeah we're and we're working with you know we we have um four people in the academy now we got one that will start back in March and then it'll be June before we even get them in the car to start training them so we're we're short-handed now so addressing these extra things is is a luxury you we're just we're barely getting by answering the calls we have so as we get more people on the road we can start dressing these nuisances more effectively got and S townships allows us to um work across jurisdictional boundaries in times of emergency more a routine nature as U needs arise upon it equips just you know the just signed it and forward to the FDLE we gain more than we can give yes we do what um you know we were impacted a lot of these counties were impacted from the hurricane but some on the fringes weren't and they may not have been here helping us but they were helping us organize to get stuff to us as well so um we actually used Columbia County Sheriff's Office not too long ago recover some evidence um and they came and and it's based off of this agreement just something we would continue question was asked why U we don't do it for more than a year at a time well you get seven municipalities and Seven Counties to agree to something for more than a year you've done something that is so true um now the agreement between the police department me and and the sheriff is for four years basically his term of office it expires and it's re renewed based off of whoever the sheriff is we couldn't do we tried to do that with this document but it dies after a year and we have to redo it every time need a motion does it have to come to council every time or every year yeah every year there got to come coun and the motion is to allow me to have the signing Authority disagree got a motion in a second motion second okay no second all right council member bran yes council member Hampton yes council member woodfall yes mayor Kine yes agenda item 60 approval of minutes in the December 12th 2023 regular session any comments or do I have a motion I got a question I'm look I'm on page you the three second paragraph down Last Stand P additionally additionally mayor K ask Mr Brock if he would be able to work toward removing some of the vehicles clean the property and come in CL compliance what's the conclusion on that basically is anything happen checked up on it Jamie it was checked on the end of last week beginning this week well this is begin of the week and there have been some vehicles that have been removed okay U we've been in cont with the actual property owner as well and he was going to ensure that he complied with r and regulations and guidin okay or he was going to remove him from that property so ultimately the property owner receives the fines and the owner of that property doesn't want to receive those he's he's actually helping us push that a little bit okay we're not want take to the magistrate so so basically we have rejected this that that last if he's agreed to do this why would we bother him at all the checkm he's complying with what his agreement was and by going by and looking at he's not making contact with him he's looking to see if he's doing it motion so we hold on um I com back to it later okay okay um with this Jamie you say you went back a week later and he is being compliant with removing vehicles and cleaning up told by by officers that the vehicles have been some vehicles have been okay we have not made we haven't made further contact with B okay yeah all right have a motion have a second counc member yesc member hon yesc member wood yes yes City staff who wants to be the first I don't have anything okay City councel request who who uh I gotta gra thing who maintains Stripes Woods Creek Road from 19 to the city Li that little section by the church there was the city road one time uh regarding that five million I've had citizens requesting that the es bestus line be first priority but they didn't sit you form that was project is not to work on that line it's to straight up do away with it and run a whole new line yeah they would they would have to run a new line beside it and then pressurize it and then slowly put the services on it switch over yeah all the crossings all the service lines everything would have to be cleared back to first but there's process I have a question um as I was reading it I saw Andy's name and I wasn't aware that that was one of the reasons we applied for that Grant and Jack Jackson did we apply or did they just we applied that was a very small portion that was just to get something Economic Development within that Grant to help get it approved it so name help we didn't use his name in there just said a 200 Acre Site could be used for fut development okay but that was 0.1% of the reason we're applying for that Grant okay after this storm Duke Energy especially they do their thing work on whatever they're doing and they drop their stuff on the ground and it's all over this County just left it and I'm going to be real upset my long get into that stuff what can we do be careful and pick it up we got a one County too were the were the thing people supposed to pick it up or was it I don't [Music] know in my yard still there's wire all over yeah wire all over mine and then the the in the yard is connected to the house my wire still laying low call them and find out I mean if we can pick it up start throwing whatever whatever yeah yeah yeah toad not for it to be gone by now it have been gone we have for a year I know about some resurfacing yep I'm deal with that with my other company and with the county and they basically being blamed on F dot saying that F do released everything to go back to normal basically is what I've been told last couple of days dealing with the debris and all side of County Roads that released everything so yeah everything was supposed to be done but this I remember when I was probably 10 or 12 years old this guy found some railroad ties and picked them up and sold them M he serve time in state for that and you're picking up utility whatever but okay we have talked and talked and talked that's the point about resurfacing and the first one I'm looking at is Blair Avenue and the reason I'm talking about that Blair Avenue I sat right over there when uh I don't remember the second one but the first one was asking to have about Street Paving Mr Clayton George Clayton yeah yeah George Clayton was told we don't have any money mhm George George Clayton was told you lied to is a good way to just go ahead and say it um and I've got a list here that these streets that have been discussed and discussed Blair Bishop new ball field Allen to Ash Butler to bacon du Dy bacon to schwar Spring Place Blair to main we need to get a plan in place to resurface these streets get the list starts wherever and we can come up with pretty good estimate of what uh C but we need to put about million dollars back on these on these roads yeah it's been it kept getting pushed back there I guess Co since then and the price of um the materials got so high down started with brown are material still high or they they're not gonna change they still $50,000 no you just made a suggest I just he put just okay you know Bill you brought it up before but you know under local option gas tax we've got .6 million yeah so you know once you get a price of milling and a price to lay new uh be a square yard price you go however far you want to this this was my plan over the next five years for the CIP did we ever look at into L Drive Lor Drive did we ever look into that talk about the end or the whole the whole Road itself it needs to be added to that list the dog did it fall off the list or is it on one somewhere what's that just that walking trail I call the walking trail the C everybody walks we just you can't just two or three streets can take up a me go far as you want to this is my current plan doing the worst starting with the worst Road in the town doing three a year what's wrong with st why why would you do it that way why would you I got a million dollars don't have a million sure do got a million six we just lost a million in the hurricane F don't step up you got a million six at the bank I don't need to break it up cuz you know no I would like for Lor to be added to that um because it has not been paid since that southern V division got buil in that area and all the complainants on that road they are calling me and complaining about that bad road that road wasn't build to a lot a lot of the road or not is that CAC pretty bad off yes the CAC is they were talking about it one time someone was going to get a house buil right there on that c site it did they did so he might what do we need to do tell do to give us money to pay these roads they rejected our two SC do may give you money but the engineering on that road is going to cost as much as though the pay Road it'll be 10 years from now we've collected this money from the citizens of this city and this County why don't we use it I have it in my plan to use it no no we don't you got to use a little bit of it because we get a couple 100,000 every year do what I think we get a couple hundred, a year we don't save it for Paving we us want that to run general fund I'm looking at it when the last time we $7,000 last year that that was it we collected but we somewhere else we ain't done any ping and we were supposed to been saving 200,000 a year for the last our motion is to get the bid documents out right here a it right here in front of do did that one but when of the last one that that we that's what I'm saying I think it was preco it was and probably we do we didn't do well they were doing every two every two years right put the 200 and 200 together supposed to been doing been doing that I know I'm saying the last but that was one of the motions and that's one of the reasons that it is up to $1.6 million there because we've been saving the 200,000 a year for bunch of years now and the price of materials are going up with it well luckily they have they stabiliz a little yeah I'm not going back and looking past but I can tell you you're about 200,000 you haven't been that I'm just stting the policy of previous city managers and they did do that under while some of these council members sit there and remember we button we back up the beginning of the fiscal year and the end of the fisc year and spend 400,000 just telling you the way it's been done sometimes we can do anything we want today every time the council say something what are we going do anything we want I want to do something these people are the roads they're not getting any better and these big trucks didn't help are they done we got to make sure we history I think they are what's happened been happening in this counil room is one person may say and since there's not three saying it they do nothing well with the Rose Bill it was uh it it cost too much cost too much cost too much Mater let's wait let's wait okay now we're in this I received a fair number of calls concerning this BN issue the what BNB the calls were of course from him his wife plus citizens why is a police officer getting information from my vehicle if the city is to work with Brock why is anyone continuing to pursue this issue the calls I got were from Vehicles own owners and and their conclusion will naturally be harassment that's not working with the man there was one vehicle tag run do what there was one tag run not by Bruce I know that's not my BR why would anybody run it because it was not on B&B's property it was on the church's property uh this particular piece of property uh happens to belong to well I don't know who it belongs to it may belong to my niece my nephew I have no idea uh but they got uh something I don't know what what they got piece of paper that from across the top said Perry police code compliance and I know that's not what we do we we got a little more uh We've inspected your property and you're in violation of unregistered unlicensed Vehicles visible from the roadway well that's true I I've tried to deal with this issue myself just to help those kids out I went to the uh tax collector thinking that's the way to do it I asked for a list I took the bin and all the information list of the names and addresses of the people who own those Vehicles can't give it to you against the law I will write him a letter he wrote him a letter naturally to those Vehicles the individuals are deceased two three of them I have noly idea who who owns them and nobody will tell me against the law uh and I've had discussion with Jamie about this and if you try to go the way Florida statue it's going to cost somebody $6800 for a piece of garbage that is sitting there if you scrap it you get $300 out of if you're lucky yeah yeah now but here here's my real issue it is also in violation of city code 2462 for meting overgrowth of weeds and Fallen trees Fallen trees from Storm two storms then it goes on this letter is to inform you about blah blah blah why on Earth are we sighting someone for falling trees that is about I don't know um now and I don't know who would have F complain about falling trees it couldn't have been the neighbors cuz they're they their trees and Jamie you just a few minutes ago stated we're not doing that and I'll be darn if I don't have one in my hand you know you're right I did say that there's no way around that but that's not a citation a citation is different we're not going after fins or anything these are the issues we found as what it's stating this letter is to inform you that you have 30 days to bring the property into compliance or Code Compliance will take action that could lead to a fine living on your property and that's true we're not we're we're not cting stretching things and it's darn bad influence on the city that's the exact language that's been ined by code enforcement for the city for years that's language of the existence I will offer this Council a motion to stop citing anybody about the falling tree no we don't need be doing that is this what we're sending out no no that's just his writing from the letter that he read they out yeah I was GNA say know we do better than this and those people can't do it can't do anything about got Bruce name on it we're going to be dealing with himing da we not you need to clean your trees up that's saying that's what it's saying my interpretation should we just ignore the trees down or should we say hey clean your tree well I'm taking care of it right now no what you should do is come to the councel and say look we got a problem with all these trees and we need not for so we need to come before the coun per I I made a motion to stop doing that okay the city the city took a lot I guess it was probably a house or something on it tore it down it set there sets there sets there the individual across the streets asks it to be cleaned up the city lot did you w clean it up the neighborhood came out we won this is a 80 90 year [Music] old we won't do anything with it and that's wrong six they what they're doing is they're putting $66,000 worth of fines on something that nobody will ever pay and the city takes a lot now we got to try to keep it clean that w't we just can't do it uh Stevens I went by today to look at that condition of that house the bad Have You Been by there lately no anybody is it worse there's somebody living in it with a building permit in the window yeah I don't issue building permit where's that at the last the last I heard is there was fin ACC onet exactly I don't know who's living in I don't think I'm not sure there's power to it I couldn't couldn't find it if the house is burn the house that interior burnt out is that the one you're talking about on Steven Street The Brick House oh yeah Brick House yeah I don't we need cuz we we had actually had surveillance on the house people steal the copper out of it for a while oh we had that's right they well that answers the power question there you go just thinking did they buy the house there's somebody that bought that house and is trying to best of my knowledge remodel it he lives in his houses while he works on them he does that's what he told on another house you have to have a CO to get in that house after been living in a camper beside it who knows [Music] um the fencing at jerkens fencing at jerkens I see where we got the um the wooden fence up now in order to save money can we just take besides the fence around the park can we just take that fence down because we going continuously just keep putting money into the chain link can we just take that down okay all right I I hav quite had take a little bit work I'm take that okay where we at with the basketball court stuff at B uhuh jerk jerkin just want go actually it needs to be redone we got cracks in it again okay was a sinkle before I don't know wow I don't know the history on all that some of the history I know about some of all of that over there used to be a dumping site yeah yeah both of them okay well um about the goals are is that something in house that we can do or it's something that we could do I'm looking at the post for yeah all together okay we just see what I can figure out all right have we just put the splash pad issue on the back burner where we at with that with the plumbing PL right now okay what about your the light the the lighting is fixed lighting's fixed yes Li fixed all right was it me oh the equipment I see that the storm got a hold of some a lot of that equipment up there did we have that on there the splash pad equipment yeah I think [Music] and I would assume that's on the insurance plan is it on that list of damaged stuff that we had because I didn't see anything and there's a bunch for Rose head far so I don't know how they classified it but we can add stuff to that damage inventory list still as far as I know it's on there okay because they they as they do them they they compiled all this and then we sent this to all the supervisors and say just look at the stuff that is in your area that it's there the best as you can piece it together trying to remember I think we all that have problems have got a good education by Insurance amen who is and Danielle did we ever get anything back from do energy about the light situation yes he actually emailed couple weeks ago and I've signed we've signed everything it's just a process um they're gonna hold on I'll be extra like $63 a month for 22 lights to upgrade them but it's just going to take a little time little time okay is that the downtown one no brighters yes they're so dark it helps now that the scraping got done it helps a lot but there still it's still dark and we have a lot of people walking at night coming from work and yeah some of the darkest areas aren't city streets though and we don't have we don't control those lights on those streets well the ones that I talked to Daniel about they own B old big Power is it's yeah it is and there's a big concern there we've had nothing recently we've had several fatalities we have people got side oh I know they still I know they're afraid of the snakes I don't like them much either oh that's um just one thing I want to mention to you Mr Brian talking about those old cars i i s a chief of picture of some there was there was a car shop or something up in where was it Jasper or jenings or anyway they advertise the cars in a legal ad and if you don't come by and pick it up by this date we're selling it that deal I abandoned property we can't you I can't speak to you in private about it but I just you know but this is a tied up in anate it is that's the problem he deal with theate okay I got you any I was thinking at some point maybe that'd be an option to I talk to somebody about he said you ever heard of grand left Auto I guess it's why they I guess that's why they run those ads it puts it in public let them know you don't show up by this day we're going and on public property is different as well there's things we can do on public property with vehicles that we can't do on private but that situation he's talking about is is different right it's property of someone that's passed away it's tied up in an estate issue oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I get you and the vehicles on the property aren't weren't the own owned by the person that passed away it's a complicated issue deal with so actually we're trying to figure out a way to navigate that as well cuz we're going to have these problems Contin I guess I guess put a blanket over or something I don't we had someone that bought a house north of Perry and there were five vehicles in this big garage the guy died and there was no titles on any of them then basically deciding they're going to haul them to the recycling center and just crush them and hope that nobody ever comes back and gets them and that's what they did nothing ever happened so we tried to help them with that too and it's there's no help yeah yeah either the time cars didn't had titles you know I think through the judge because he can actually have award ownership of the vehicle or ability to dispose of it if you buy the right suit it's going to cost you money yeah that's what the recers do like whenever they come to a wreck vehicle they get them carry them to the yard after a certain amount of time but that's different because it's C result of a traffic that's done up front yeah yeah there's actually law that allows them to take ownership of those Vehicles right right anyway U I don't know if John emailed it to everybody but I just wanted to I'm not going to do it tonight getting a little late anyway uh accessory dwelling unit zoning some places are going some places are going are going to that multitude of reasons how House cost of housing um an older person or even a younger person whatever needing to live on the property with you or whatever that's there's a mul City reasons why it's doing there not it's nothing new I mean a garage apartments an auxiliary it's na structure of um what I heard it called the other day a dad padin law sleep just you know in a number of things but and and they're if if they're if they're attached I believe they're legal at this point if they're attached to the main house this makes it where they don't have to be attached to the statute nice garages and stuff that that would require Creation in our ldrs of of that ability basically what we're talking about right yeah I think what what's happening some it's not we don't we don't have it in our LD we don't have it but add yeah some some agencies and maybe Scott Coons can or maybe somebody come speak to us about it one day from the council but some some towns have rolled their rsf zoning to Adu zoning this single yeah just rolled it into what they call Adu which I mean like I said allows auxiliary I keep saying auxiliary it's accessory dwelling ACC in a single that's what it basically does allows it in a single family yeah and they're all over the place already I mean it's just I mean before was owning a lot of them it was real common for a garage apartment to be built on a place stand on on the par yeah I'm talking about stand this would make you stand on the building I got have a house and yeah then this just put one on a piece of okay yeah yeah yeah it may you can put basically two living dwellings but the the the the second one or it's one of them's got to be subordinate to the other it can't be two big houses you got to have like a there there places I don't know where you take something that small that's all that's on that whole tiny houses 600 square Fe and they're done or less I was reading the ordinance now and we can't do it now if if you have a an accessory no one can live in it but if you change it you could that's what I'm saying you change I'm where or or the ldrs or zoning regulations or it'd be a process it wouldn't happen tomorrow but I mean and something to think about and how we want to do it and make it where you can't just throw a 10 shed up and call it a is getting you know that might be something would be a good if you changed your ldrs then somebody might make a little village where they're selling small lots and Harry might benefit from that if you have a yeah allow that type of community that might be something one of our Builders might yep already places um tell has one yeah got matter fact one of the richest men up there one bu y gy y anyway anything else which one of these shall I hit don't believe okay I'm I'm gonna tell a son yes