part of Marine, right? >> Yeah. You know, it's own city. I didn't know that. It's own little There's eight people. >> I met the mayor. They're doing a Netflix documentary on
all the drama they've had over their elections the past few years. >> They literally said they're going to next do a documentary eight people and they got all this >> stuff over the mayor is
Anybody got a file a court case? >> Yes. >> John, you ready? >> I'm gonna do it. You ready? Aaron, we're call the September 11, 2025 city council meeting to order. Just want to
remind everybody to silence their cell phones. Hope is going to lead us in our opening prayer. Father, by the pledge of allegiance, please. Father God, we are so thankful for the blessings you bestowed upon us,
the honor to serve our community. And even today, as the 24th anniversary of September 11th terror attacks, we thank you for living in a free land. This may be free, but it's not cheap. I pray Lord that even in our most recent situations
regarding violence in our community, violence in political discourse, let this place always be a place of respect and peace. Amen. >> We thank you for the opportunity to live that out in our own lifetime, in the lifetimes to come. In Jesus name I pray.
Amen. >> Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag states of America and to the republic which stands God indivisible liberty justice for all.
I'd like to take a moment just to remember the victims of the 911 attacks 24 years ago today was around 9:15 in the morning best I remember. So I'd like to take a moment just to reflect on them and remember
them. >> Thank you. Roll call, please. Ma'am, >> here. >> Here. >> Council >> here. >> Mayor Landry. >> Mayor >> here. >> All right. Approval of items on the
consent agenda. Approval to read by title only. Resolution 2025-18 and resolution 2025-9. And approval to read by title only ordinance 1056. Do I have a motion?
>> Have a second. >> Second. Take >> Brian. >> Yes. >> Council. >> Yes. >> Council. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor. >> Yes. Receiving requests from the general
public. Do we have anybody here from the public who would like to speak on anything that is not on the agenda? >> Yes, ma'am. Sorry. Come on out. >> If we just state your name and address for the record. >> Good evening.
>> Good evening. >> Hi. >> U3. I bought it from this Russell. Before I purchased it, came to the city and I asked them could I put the mobile home back there because it was there. I forgot it. They told me there were no
problem. But I wasn't going to get it right at that time. But anyway, I have the paperwork show there. So, um, when I did come back last year, I've been there several times and they fa even call me back and give me an answer. So, um,
they told me I had to have a license person to put the trailer, whatever. And I got all that and got it filled out. And, uh, she told me, "Okay." Well, I didn't hear nothing else again. So I went back and u she said was working on
something but anyway she'll get with me where just went out the money. So I went back again and she say something about the zoning which I never heard of but that was something one of thing they thought they could get it worked out I can put mobile back there and uh I'm a
caregiver being he need somewhere to stay. So my thing is uh I reached out and I talked with a couple people and she said, "Well, just wait. We got to talk to somebody over in Gainesville." Um she get back with me.
So I took all the paper. So then I asked for well can I come for appeal to me with y'all? But she told me just wait. So I'm still waiting on an answer. I never got answer back. That's been over a year now. So, uh, the trailer that I did have, I lost it because it took so
long for them to give me okay on it. So, I'm stuck with some land that I can't do nothing with. And all the lots out there like a 70 by 106 in the trailer I was going to put there was a 14 by 48. Um, >> and I really just need to know, you
know, I wouldn't have bought if it could put back in place. And I have the paper y. did fill out the paperwork and uh I got uh that was a trailer from the mechanic and I just need to help give an
answer about which develop. >> Okay. First I heard of it. So >> well Miss Belly, we thought that she had contacted you back. The person that was in that role is no longer in that role. It was like she says, miscommunication
and we thought that she had contacted her because we had we went through and contacted did our little thing and we thought she contacted >> but there is a different person in that room now. So So yes, she can mobile.
>> So clear. >> She was told she couldn't and she was told she couldn't. Mhm. >> But she can for the mobile. >> Okay. >> All right. I appreciate that. That's all I need to do. >> You get another mobile home.
>> Okay. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, man. >> There's anybody else here that needs that wants a speed that's not on the agenda. Hearing no one, we'll move on to
bids and RFQS. We still don't have any. Charlie. No. Okay. >> Do we have any out there? Any bids? >> Be back next meeting for the shingle replacement. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right.
>> All right. Moving on to general business. I was asked to move item 6 C to um go ahead. They got I think somebody has somewhere they have to be pretty quick. So um
agenda 9 to 6C Emily Ketchin with the Boys and Girls Club of North Central Florida to discuss the building rent agreement and council take any action being necessary. >> Thank you. Uh, Emily, 185 Bridge Road.
>> Teresa Caukins, 1598 Pablo Road. >> We We have We have a member here that has somewhere that she needs to be. So, thank you all and we apologize. We're going to be rolling this super quick. Um I called uh Don about a week ago and um
the club, you know, we've experienced a lot of funding cuts like a lot of places have and and um so we're just at requesting to um basically back out of our rent agreement or have our rent agreement where kind of like it used to
be which was a dollar a year. And um because at this point we need um we need all our funds for operations. So um you know I know we we had this agreement and and you all have agreed to um um you
know help us out in a lot of ways but at this point we we're just really in a tight financial situation. So we just we're going to ask if we could uh go back to our former rent agreement back to a dollar a year. motion to change the agreement
>> from this agreement to the other agreement. What's is it any difference besides the dollar? >> Because I I never did get a a copy of it. I asked for it to get emailed to me and I never got it. So >> Well, I
Well, she talked about >> Okay, go ahead. >> No. um in our last meeting, at least according to my notes, um because they were paying over what the last written agreement was. I think it was more like 8,000 plus. Um and and there was
discussion about capital improvements where it was clarified that that was a part of what the working agreement had been in a prior event or a prior um agreement where they were paying less money as well as it was clarified that any capital improvement that was made on
it that property like any other property the city owns is still up to the city. It doesn't is not quit per core where it's like they give this money and they know they have a a bank a little savings to pull from. Even though from what I
understand Carly was able to find that did seem to be the way things are working. It was clarified you all didn't have to do this. What I understand from Emily is that because that was going on monthto month. So when it was decided the 6,000 amount was the amount there was no need to change. And also when we
decided that the agreement did not say that they had to receive a portion of the rent to go back to capital improvement, then they were fine with that. And I'm sorry I didn't mail that to you. I thought I did. But I understand what um >> Boys and Girls Club is now dealing with like she just said a lot of cutbacks and
because >> they are also I understand paying for most of the upkeep. I think the kitchen thing was just something out of >> the norm that the prior agreement which predates I don't even know it's decades but um that to go back to a nominal
amount of a dollar so that the all the money that they would I guess get for for a rent could be um used back in their operational costs. >> Gotcha. Okay. >> And and we could uh articulate in the agreement that we handle all maintenance
and capital improvements just to kind of if you know like you said I mean we can make the agreement whatever you'd like. I never once saw an agreement all that good word about.
>> What funds are you losing? >> We're losing a lot of the federal dollars that we were getting 21st century and the Americanore dollars are being cut. like two years
keeps us all that kind of stuff down with it. I'm good with >> Would that impact the finish that >> Okay. But any further requests for capital
improvement, they would handle it themselves as well as the care of how many campuses or does it include just one? >> Just one. Just everyone. >> How much were you okay in monthly? >> 6,000. Have a motion on the table. Do we have a
second? Is there any more discussion? Ma'am, >> don't just what if we um went back to the $1 >> until you got straight. You know, you start back getting all
your funds in cuz I still like to see us getting the funds coming in myself to help us pay for those uh repairs that you need. That is what is >> um that is that is what I would show.
We're always open um and we appreciate us too and and we're just in an evolving situation that um you know I'm sure you've seen a lot of things on Facebook we've been dealing with and >> it's
I noticed that they uh gave me the funds back for the food and everything. >> They did not give us all of them. Oh, sure. >> And I mean, and then they take money away and then they give it back to us,
but it was too late to spend it. >> They give it back to it, but you couldn't spend it because of the time frame. So, yeah, we've we've we've had a a rather large hit the past six or so months.
I would like to amend that motion. I don't know how I would say it, but it's not the charge. But one time until >> she's funly. >> I think that was the
what y'all were coming back for tonight, wasn't it? To go back to the original dollar. Yeah, that's what I said. That's what she asking. instead wants back to 6,000 at some point. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. So, you want to amend it. Okay.
>> Doesn't really matter either way because if we go to a dollar, you're going to pay the capital to go back to 6,000. We're going to reimburse the capital. >> Dollar. >> Our problem is, of course, we don't have the funds, you know, we we need those funds for operations right now. Not we couldn't
use it on capital if we had it. We couldn't I mean you know it's just it's just money's tied >> for us. >> But this way here y'all will be responsible for all. Yeah. Yeah. >> How long agreement do you want as just
annually? >> I guess I mean you know if you want it to be like it is now and and you know we're either party can come back because if we do have a a situation in the future, we could come back and
>> you all could decide what you wanted to do at that point. Yeah, that is on the but now if you come back and let us >> Okay, so we have a motion on the table to move forward with but now that you're the do we have a second
>> second amendment want to put amendment >> I'm sorry we have a motion on the table one direction you're making a motion for another direction so we're going back to that two motion thing And so we need to
we we need to handle one motion before we do another motion. Mr. Bry, would you like to amend your motion? >> Do what? >> Would you like to amend your motion to >> do what Miss Shirley was talking about? >> She was talking about if the financial
situation changes again in the future, then renegotiate to go back to a $6,000 a month lease. >> Sure. >> Okay. Your mo Okay. Is your second in that? >> Okay. >> Okay. Very good. >> Okay.
>> I agree. >> She has to agree to the motion before you continue. The motion maker and the second have to agree. >> Right. Miss Shirley seconded it. >> She did first. You have been named. >> Okay. Do I have a vote now?
>> Yes. >> Council. >> Yes. >> Council Hampton. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor. >> Mayor. >> Yes. >> Thank you.
>> Madam Finance, you now have a budget out of balance. fixing quick now. >> Okay, we're going to go at 6A. Bob Kate with Taylor County Development Authority to update council on economic
development and council to take any action deemed necessary. Mr. Kate, how you doing this evening? >> I'm doing well. Again, I'm Bob Kate and I serve as the director of the Taylor County Development
Authority and thank my board members that were able to come tonight for coming and supporting this. I want to thank you for your time tonight. You know, when I came 13 months ago, one thing we committed was we would keep our elected officials informed of what we were working on. We have been here on
quarterly basis doing just that. As you have questions or comments tonight, feel free to ask them. And if they're easy, I'll answer them. If they're difficult, we'll let Jeff and Michelle Curtis answer. My purpose tonight, um, do you want me
to change slides or who's doing the slide change? Okay. But my purpose tonight is to share what we've been doing, what we've accomplished, where we are focused in such a way that you understand and had the opportunity to share your insight. So together we
are successful in our mission to grow the industrial base of Taylor County. This is a team effort and I have met with each of you and I continue to value your support. On the next slide, I want to tell you what we're going to discuss tonight. You
have the agenda and you can read it. But we never want to stray far from our roots. We have these three core thrusts to nurture our existing industry. We don't need to lose anymore and we need to help them grow. We also are busily working on recruiting new industry and I
have plenty of updates on that and then have qualified sites available when someone wants to come. In addition, I want to give you some updates on the West Frasier site progress, the GB site demolition, and the support we're receiving from Duke Energy.
So, it's from those roots that our successful spring. We have just wrapped up a visit with EJ Gobar. EJ is the director of business retention and development for Florida Commerce. Was interesting that we talked about the things that we do and we've had Laura
Deella helping us and continuing to help us. I did not know EJ existed. I did not know that Florida Commerce until two months ago. He had a separate division on business retention and development. So, we've just gotten him down here and you could see who he has. Met with met
with big top shelters, met with Nammo, met with RDS aluminum. We actually had to scratch the Perry Composite Materials because that site sold this week to another company and I meet with them tomorrow. He won't be here for that. Super Puff gave us a great visit there.
You can read these and see what we have done. Tremendous support from Florida Commerce. So, I've met all these companies, but it was neat watching EJ go through and talk to them and ask them questions and things came out which I hadn't asked and we got uh questions
asked and answered I didn't know about. So, we have a whole new list of things to work on with these and other companies. On the next slide, I want to give you an update on our recruiting new industry. So, since we last met with you in last
uh quarter, it was Michelle Curtis who so graciously agreed to share this information as I was out of town. But we've connected with eight new industries that have expressed interest in Taylor County. We lost four that we previously had. Five went inactive for various reasons, and we've discussed in
the past those, and I'll show you one tonight as a specific example of one that went inactive and came out active again. So, we had a site visit three weeks ago. You'll see I've added some information to your slide here because we have updates through today. So, we
had a company from Texas visit last Thursday and we had a new company came to town and spend an hour at with me and then at Big Ben learning about the training and how they can pivot to provide skilled labor for the needs this company would have.
On the next slide, I'd like to update you on our active projects. And as you know, we don't ever talk about these companies by name. We don't put their email addresses or phone numbers out there. I actually have that master spreadsheet. We've had 36 companies
since I came in August 11th. So that's not me. I'm just starting a timeline there. 36 companies come talk about Taylor County. Serious enough to get on this on the list. Of those, we have 10 active projects. Today I want to take a
minute. You can read the list. I want to tell you a little bit about how these come. As I told you before at a previous meeting, they come from everywhere, but I'm going to give you some specifics. Project Beta, I received a call on the TCDA phone line. You don't know that phone is forward to my personal cell.
So, if you call TDCA, I get the phone. So, it's not some I check messages. It's something I get the call when it rings. Bravo called came to a TC CDA board member. Kappa, an email came to the mayor who forwarded it to me. Sigma, the
call came directly to me. Tao, the contact came from Omnitra. They own Georgia Florida Railroad and they were reached out to for you have a rail site in Taylor County. Theta Laura and I originally made contact during the early GP closure
days. They were interested in the Foley site but were turned away. These were one of those eight that was turned away by GP. But in recent months, they've gotten interested again outside of the GP site, and they're back on our active list. Echo called TCDA and got me. This
is one that's headquartered in South Florida and has a plant in South Florida, and now they're growing and looking for the location for another plant. Maverick contacted Laura directly. Renegade, a friend of a friend, one of those kind that reached out then to a TCDA board member. And
then Pharaoh contacted me directly. So, these are just giving you not more detail than you need, but just a sense of the flavor of what a what a day in the life, a week in the life, or a month in the life at TCB is like, the phone calls we receive, never knowing which one might be the one, and we treat them
all as if they were the one. Let me give you an update now on West Frasier. I believe some of this is review, but I want to make sure you know and that we all come up to kind of the same speed. On July 4th, the actual sale was completed.
On October 4th, there will be on October 4th, there'll be an equipment auction there. Buyers will have 120 days to remove their purchased items. But while this is going on, they're not sitting waiting. They're out build doing building repairs now and general cleanup
throughout this time. We continue to stay in close contact with John Cheryl and he continues to welcome as we present him opportunities that come to us and they are interested in in that property. So he has he maintains his own list but obviously
some of those on our list are lined up waiting to see what he's going to do with that site. Foley cellulose you can get buried in Foley cellulose. So let me kind of jump to the end and I'll cover my slides. Ched Thompson, as you know or don't know, Chad Thompson is the former
environmental manager at Georgia Pacific. Ched Thompson was the project manager for the pipeline. Chad Thompson will be meeting at the speaking at the county commissioners meeting next Tuesday. It'll be a question and he has a presentation, but it'll be a question
and answer session. And this is really the opportunity for Taylor County to understand what's happening. City of Perry, Taylor County, all of you to understand what's happening there and when are the intervention points. I keep kind of getting bumped into on the
street and people ask me when do we have a public comment? When do we get to say something? When do we get ask something? When do we get to express our opinion? And that is that is coming because of that. Tuesday night looms large as a good opportunity to understand what
those next three opportunities are. So I will get back on my slide now and I've mentioned shed. So on in July GP extended their asbestous remediation completion date. They thought they would be through October 31st of next year. As they got in they found more asbestous
than they originally anticipated and they've extended that to October 4th of next year. Their water usage they target a 4 million gallon a day withdrawal from the number two well. This is the well that's directly under the mill site that
keeps that keeps that cone under the mill. The cone of ground water under the mill keeps all the ground water in that area flowing to under the mill. Without that 4 million gallons, the cone would flow out from under the mill. In addition, they also treated about 1.1
million gallons of water in August, making for a total usage of about 5.1. On August 12th, Florida's Department of Environmental Protection requested from Georgia Pacific additional information. And that is a form. You know, we just love three-letter acronyms in Florida on
RAI requests for additional information. They ask for a lot, but the three core things, the three legs of that three-legged stool are the decommissioning plan for the wastewater treatment plan, the well life plan, and the groundwater monitoring plan. So GP
now has 90 days to reply to that or excuse me 60 days to reply to that but they can ask for a 30-day extension which I would feel sure they would and I would expect they'd be granted. That's reasonable request. I
would expect they'd be granted but the RAI includes an anti-degradation assessment. That's a public comment period where GP asks the public. It'll come out like notice in the newspaper there'll be a meeting when you can come and tell them what you think about this
and that's again a lot of people have opinions but they need to be informed opinions. The best way to get an informed opinion of course is always to get the facts and the best way to get the facts is to listen to Chad Thompson and hear him explain it because he can do better than I can and probably better
than anyone can without letting you get overly timid. So I recommend again Tuesday at at the county commissioner meeting. Separate from that on August 7th GP submitted a wastewater permit application to move their discharge
point back to the previous location upstream of US 19. So you know if you've lived here more than a week that at one point they discharged into the river. Then as they cleaned up they got everything cleaned up except for the salt content. It was still brackish. So they got the permission to build the
pipeline and put the brackish water, the brackish tree to effluent into the brackish water at the mouth of the pen hollowway. Obviously they wouldn't be doing their thing with this lawsuit that's between them and four rivers. They weren't saying if we lose access to that pipeline, we have to put it
somewhere. So they this is their plan B. It's not their preferred plan. It's their plan B. If the lawsuit works out where I'm not saying how to get it out works out so they have access to the brackish component of the mouth of the pen hollow that's where they want it to
go. If they don't though this is it this and so there's another permit you're being asked for which means there'll be another public comment period. That's the key message on that. I think that's enough on that. The key is that we're staying a breast of this.
We have the thumb on the pulse. Chad Thompson's actively involved and Chad will help. He won't tell you what to do, but he'll tell you what to think about, do we? And I think that's important. Let me share a few other things. The uh
Duke Energy continues to be very supportive of us and we did get the $10,000. We haven't seen the money. I think you'll experience getting the grant, but not yet seeing the money, but that's where we are. We've been told we were awarded $10,000 and that we turn in to reimagine Taylor County, improve our
website, improve our We want to be on the tip of everyone's tongue when they say, "Where can I put my plant?" I need people saying, "I've heard about Taylor County. I know about Taylor County. I think about Taylor County." And we're working on getting that on the tip of people's tongue.
These Duke Energy site readiness, the city of Perry property, we've talked about that, giving you updates. you know, when we got that site readiness complete, they had like four recommendations. There's four more things you ought to do. Three of those are complete. I feel like I'm the the action item person. And so, we've got
three of those done. The fourth one is there were a couple more studies recommended. So, we've been out getting quotes and we have those quotes and now turn them back to Duke. We'll get somehow we'll figure out a way to get these last studies done. But we want to put a bit of a bow on this. And then
we've already identified where we at least for our conversation piece of where we'd like to get more money from Duke to do another site readiness. So we're trying to remember our three legs. Keep the industry you have and help them grow. Get new industry to come and have a place for them to come when they get
here. Also, um, let me see that next slide and I will jump to the bottom and come back to the top. So on August 20th, TCDA signed a memorandum of understanding with Florida Commerce and Select Florida designated
TCDA as their primary economic development partner for Taylor County. Just trying to avoid the confusion and make sure that we we can keep some focus on on how we how we work and work together. As you know, we're all into building the teams here. We are there's
no big eyes, no little U's. It's all about all of us working together. Whether it's us with the city council, us with the commissioners, us with the zoning board, us with private citizens, we're all into working together. But, uh, I think that's going to help us. Yeah. And then at the end, I just want
to kind of summarize. So, what are we here for? We've been here 13 months, and I'd love to tell you we have a ribbon cutting, but we haven't had, but I'd love to tell you we didn't lose anymore industry, and we haven't lost industry. You all know we don't take credit for what other people are doing but you all
know you got kind of think think about what's going on. We've got NAMO looking they've got phase one approved got the groundbreaking in October and doubling in size. We're working with them on that with them yesterday. Big top doubling in size. Got their permit. Got their
variance on their parking. We've worked with them through that. Working on the RAIF grant to get that turning lane that DOT is requiring. When they think about doubling, the size mean the double in traffic, those big trucks coming in and out. Well, DOT, as you would expect,
require a turn lane. We found $215,000 for them to not have to pay for that turn lane. So, those are the kind of things that sometimes flies below the thing, and I'm happy if it always flies below. We don't care about credit. All we care about is getting things done.
>> But what we are here for is to execute an economic development plan that facilitates the expansion Recruitment and creation of businesses which grow the county's long-term adorum tax base retains and creates permanent value added higher wage jobs and
tailored in sustaining and elevating the quality of life of our citizens. We on our next to the last slide, we don't get any metrics for how many times someone visits our website, how
many brochures we hand out. We just like you have to be held to the only results that count and that is did we actually deliver on the promise. So here are our metrics. Business retention, number of existing businesses receiving support from TCDA.
Job creation, new jobs created through business retention and attraction efforts. Capital investment, total amount of private investment in Taylor County. Site development, number of sites made available for business relocation and expansion.
And ultimately, it's about population growth. It's about rooftops. People know when the good restaurants come. They come when you have enough people to make make them profitable. We're going to look for increasing population, particularly those related to job creation. So, we're holding ourselves
accountable to things that actually matter to the city of P t city of Perry and to Taylor County. So, as I close, when you're surrounded by people who share a passion and commitment around a common purpose, anything is possible. We
believe that. What questions do you have for me or for Michelle or Jeff? Yeah, job creation from um NAM is going to be in the ballpark of >> 100 plus jobs. >> 100 plus and big top
>> less than 100 but pushing 100. >> Gotcha. So I mean we're I mean just just focusing on what you the industries we have here is working. We would be remiss to dangle something in front of you that we can't talk about, but I can just tell you that
they're not the only two businesses in Taylor County. They're the two that have made the newspaper. They're not the only two who are looking at growing their businesses. >> Going back to the mill, from what I've been told, it didn't it didn't happen overnight. It was years and years and years
>> in the making >> before they drove the first piling for it. We had a uh >> I mean they took over the old Burton Brooks Brooks. >> Yeah, Brooks can scan >> one of them. But >> it was five years of
>> I did a benchmarking visit with another county today. I was looking for rural counties and county that Mucklini is in. The uh Daryl Register economic development person there said I said help me. you know, we're doing the best we can, but help me on what we're not
doing well or how we can do better. And he gave me example of something they're doing right now. 2020, 2020, they had a company visit. >> They finally got approval for all their permits at 2023
and now they're doing their groundbreaking next month. So, in five years from their first visit, they're just doing groundbreaking. That's 900 jobs for their count. >> Wow. >> So, we're certainly not looking to say
five years is good or acceptable. And probably the bigger the company or the more complex the operation, the longer it takes. In other words, you can do a lot of small things a lot quicker. But, you know, it certainly have taken a pole bill. I mean, I've been on permitting mills. I've looked at permitting a mill in Thailand. I peritted the mill in
Thailand. And, you know, it takes two years to get the permit. Then you start construction. It takes two years to get the construction done and then you start your training and getting it up to speed. So you're clearly five years on large complex projects. >> It just seems like anything of any size just takes time.
>> Seems like just >> but again we'll we'll we'll we look forward to crossing that bridge when it comes. Right now I would probably rather given my brothers and I don't get to pick. I'd rather have four 125 person jobs sites uh because I think we like the
flexibility and the variant. Yeah. Sure. I don't think the good times and bad times wouldn't be so much feast and famine. You could kind of spread it out really. What questions do you have? >> Are you al also looking for retail
food establishments and everything? You look up everything. >> We are open to everything. But let me be clear so I don't create confusion. The day I walked in and from that day till today, I I knew Dawn from back when I was here full-time. said, "Dawn, you're retail. I'm industrial."
>> Okay. >> So, if someone says, "I'm a dry cleaner. I want to come to town." I say, "That's great." And here's Dawn's phone number. >> But don't think I ever say no to anyone. You know, on Christmas day, I was getting a call from a lady who wanted a ramp on her mobile home and I was working to get her a ramp on. No one's
ever called me that I said no, that's not my job. >> But no, I try to focus on industrial recruitment and let Dawn do the the retail commercial type. >> It sounds good. It's a It worked for us so far. Different counties do it differently, but we're we've never had
any tension or anything. Just work hand. >> Good question. >> Second question. >> Is this the heart? >> Yes, this is the heart. >> When are you going to make me jump up and scream
say we got it? Such and such is coming. I'm looking forward to that day. >> It's coming. >> It's coming. >> I know. >> Don't you Don't Don't grow weary for a d season. If you think >> No, it's coming. >> It's coming. We've been We've been That
helps. Like I told you before, we've just been a key stroke away between us and Columbia County. Be closer to Jacksonville. Well, we can we didn't check that box, but it's it's been that perfect. Yeah.
>> Are you still looking at the stats? >> Yes. >> I don't remember how many acres it is, but it something that just popped in my mind.
I'd call it the Hope Davis property. Okay. >> Once before that was cruise crack. Okay. North 19 right hand side rail siding.
I don't know who who owns it now. He has died there. I believe all his family except one son that in Tallahassee might be >> I will look at that and I will look into
that. We picked up a 70 acre railroad frontage property last week that we're allowed to now I call it market. >> Yeah. >> I'm not a real estate agent, but we have the real estate agent's permission. Someone comes to town. So, I've already talked to Omnitra because they are always looking for railroad sighting
property. And this 70 acres has both railroad and um pave road frontage. So, you could, >> you know, the access would be just enormous. at all.
>> I would I'll follow up. >> Thank you. >> You know, M Councilwoman Hson took my question. >> She took your question. >> Yes, I do have a request. >> You fine. >> I'll answer.
>> Could you please add me back to the email list so I know when the meetings are so I can attend? >> Honored to do that. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Bob. >> Agenda item 6B, Dan Castle to address
the council on partial 07740- 0000. Council will take any action name necessary. >> Good evening, council members and mayor and city staff. Uh, thank you for hearing me out today. Uh, my name is Van Castle. Not to be confused with the
other three Van Castles that are in town. So, let's set that record straight now because there's actually there's four of us, not three. Uh, I own a house at 412 Glen Ranch. My handicapped daughter lives there and you guys have a parcel right behind and since the
hurricane that thing is overwhelmed with rats, rodents, raccoons of getting into the houses and then there's probably 15 20 trees down in that thing is is hideous and it holds for I'd be willing to purchase that parcel if you're
willing to sell it but we got to come to some understanding of what you guys feel that it's worth. This is part we've talked about a few times already. It's got all the trees down. I think some other people put trees on it and yes, it's a mess.
>> I had two estimates. One was 8,000 to clear the lot and the other one was 12,000 to clear the lot. >> So the same guys we had. >> So I mean it's it's an expensive proposition. So with knowing that I'm going to have somewhere between 8 and 12 to clear that parcel up and the parcel
on value is only $8,500. See, that's just to get it to zero. The the pro the money to clean it up. That's just to get it to >> If you guys are willing to sell it at a reasonable price, >> I'm willing to put it back on the tax rolls and beautify one more lot in the
city. I own several parcels on the city. So, this isn't my only one. >> John, hit the flood zone button. >> That parcel right there usually is knee deep in the water after a good rain. >> Boom. I demand Could you put a house on it? I lived in South Florida and I moved out
of there because I didn't want a house on stilts. That's what that would need. It would have to be at least three or four foot off the ground cuz I don't believe you or anybody would allow me to put 3 ft of field because then the water's going to push in and flood the neighbor's houses.
>> Yeah. >> I mean, I walked that and I it was need water. now. Luckily, it's dry now, but we haven't had rain in how long? >> Too long. >> I mean, like I said, it joins mine. I know none of the other neighbors are interested in it. It's an eyesore, and
they're they're just happy someone's willing to to get it and try to clean it up. >> Yeah, I've talked with several people try early on trying to get people to buy it. Nobody wanted it. >> I The only reason why I want it is, like I said, my handicapped daughter lives right behind it. She's got a service dog
and I don't want rodents getting in at her service dog. >> Which one? Which one last your other one where she lives? >> Um, that one >> probably. Yes, that one right there. >> Okay. >> Like I said, I have five or six more in the city at various places.
>> Well, what's your I mean, does anybody got any ideas? Any starting points? I did ask for brokers process pay,000 for the land. That's what they're saying it's worth with the cleanup cost or
because I know it's on the tax. I know it's that's probably a reasonable price if it was cleaned and you could do something with it. So you say how much $700,000 >> and where where did that price come from
local broker? I know there's prosecuted >> we we're going to deal with that later. Right. Right now under a certain amount we're going with a broker's price opinion. Over a certain amount we're going with a full >> I can see if you want to get rid of it and leave me clean it up. cuz a broker
is going to come within 5% probably of a actual appraisal cuz they know what's going on with the market. >> Mhm. >> It's a crazy market. >> Yeah, it is. >> Like I said, the only thing that scares
me is the 8 to 12,000 to clear. I can't give you 8,500 and spend another 8,000. I mean, the lot's not worth that. And I'd be willing not to buy it if you guys are willing to clean it. That's the result I get from the rest of the the rest of the people. You don't
have time, effort, and money to do it. And I understand that >> because I know you guys have a bunch more lots that are in the same position. I'm just willing to take one off your plate. >> Throw number. >> What do we pay half the cost for
cleaning it? If you guys pay half the cost, I'll tell you what, I'll give you the $8,500 if you clean it all up. >> I can't pay more than what the the property is worth is what I'm trying to tell you. That's not a good business decision. I can't I mean, I haven't even heard the price of yet of what you guys
are even looking at. >> Some we just need to get down to the negotiation. That's all it is. Looks like what I'm hearing the property is worth it ain't worth as much as it's going to cost to clean it up. >> That's a true statement.
>> Exactly. That might take a check for 2500. I'm still going to be at that lot for over 10,000 10 five almost $11,000. That's about three grand more than lunch. We'll say how much?
>> 2500. How big is a lot? >> N2. >> Yeah, the problem is in that flood zone. That's the problem. >> I'm not too sure you can actually build a house on that. >> If you do, it's going to have to be >> He can He can build it, but it's not
going to be financable. >> It's not insurance. >> So, I mean, even if you put a house on and build it, >> you better have someone with cash. Yes, there are people with cash in this town, but >> I find that there's more people that don't have cash that are struggling today. >> Yeah.
>> Yes. Isn't most of our properties on flood zones? In flood zones? >> I don't think so. >> It's scattered around different. >> Yeah. >> It's like everything around here comes and goes. >> One block one way or the other, it
totally changes. On one hand, you get $2,500 a lot cleaned up and a property back on the tax. On the other hand, we spend $8,500 and still have it back on tax. >> It's a hell of a deal. >> You know, >> I'll make motion for the 25.
>> We have a second 2500 and cleaning it up. >> I will get it cleaned up. I I can't tell you it'll be tomorrow, next week, because my schedule is kind of full. anybody that knows me that uh I'm a pretty busy man. But yes, it will
be cleaned up. I promise you that. I'm tired of looking at the rats running across my daughter's backyard. Some of those suckers are pretty big. One might have been a raccoon. Got a motion on the table for 2500 plus clean. Do we have a second?
>> What property appraisers got it at 8,500? Yes, >> the ordinance said no less than property appraised last to 7,000.
>> Y'all can drop it down up to 10%. Based on issues like clean husband, stuff like that. >> I'm sure that 8,500 value was way before that was trashed. >> Yeah. And there was a property worth 64,000 and sold three.
>> Yeah. >> Clean it up. >> Well, if I'm not mist hold on a minute, hold on a second. If if I'm not mistaken, we haven't passed that yet, have we? last thing the other one said to we have
a second reading just resolution or >> okay but we also agree that the ones that started before it we were going to finish best I remember am I wrong >> well there was this one and one more
either way I just want to get get the thing cleaned up when the city can't seem to blow it off. >> I mean, you guys just have entirely too many locks to clean up. I mean, trust me. I mean, everyone's struggling with it. I know you guys are in the same boat as everybody else trying to clean stuff
up. So anyway, we got a motion on the table right now for 2500 plus cleanup, which is going to bring the actual cash value to what? >> Somewhere between 11,000 to 15,000. When it's all said and done,
>> the whole 30 grand to get it cleaned up. >> And the only going in, like I said, my daughter lives there. If it wouldn't be for that, it would it would stay there, right? >> I mean, all my other rentals, I wouldn't be doing this on any of my other rentals. >> I know nobody around them wants it.
>> No clean up. Nobody wants >> No, I've talked to the neighbors. It's >> They won't touch it. >> And it's right around the curve. So, it's not like you can put a driveway in there, you get hit coming in and out. So, >> I think it's once y'all to agree to price got to be sold by us anyway. Anybody that wants to come talk about it
has two more opportunities. >> We got a motion on the table. Do we have a second? Going once, twice. The motion dies for lack of a second. awarding constituents in your home.
>> If you're even thinking about doing it, follow the ordinance. >> 6,300 is the lowest you could do based on the policy we approved last time. But he brought this up before that policy was approved. value on the that's what we ran into last time that value really has no
meaning. >> Did that that price that you did the person go out there and look at that lot or they just >> would have sold that area. >> That's that's not a fair assumption what that property is if that property was cleared. Yeah. I I I would give you the seven grand. It'd be worth seven grand
to me. But I'm sure that appraisal was without 15 or 20 trees laying on it. and weeds that are waste high. >> I wish they were just laying on it. Some of them are being held up by me and and they're getting dangerous.
>> Trust me, I walk through there again thinking, "What the heck am I doing? >> Kids are going to be walking under them at some point. It's going to fall on. >> It's a liability to the city." >> Just saying. I'm just telling you right now what's going to happen. I hope it don't. I really hope it don't.
Good chance it will not, but it could. I don't want it to. >> If this is how we're going to sell per saying, then we need to come up with a better way of doing it. >> That's what we're trying to do. That's me.
>> Yeah. But the thing is, you 7,000 and we're going to subtract the amount that he would have to pay to clean it up.
>> You told me that and that's not fair. >> Hold on. Please sir, let me finish. So, we're going to do this in every council meeting and still just stay stuck. We need to come up with a better way.
>> Um because this is getting old and stand cleaned up. It's all back on the tax paying taxes on it. Lots cleaned up. We get $2,500. The other option we pay $8,000 to get it cleaned up and it's still nobody's paying taxes on
>> and make the deal and run. I'll call Sean tomorrow and I'll get that number changed to 2500. We come back next week. >> I think if somebody would go out there and are crazy the way the lot currently is, that number would drastically change.
>> But it seems like John's going to make it work out for you. >> However work either you guys clean it or I'll clean it. It's if I don't purchase it, I just request that you guys clean it cuz now it's almost a safety issue with my daughter
>> with the Rolex >> with anyone like it. >> There it is wide open. >> Mr. council. I appreciate you for coming. >> Thank you very much. And uh if something changes, let me know. But if not, I do request that you guys start cleaning it
up. >> Tomorrow morning, I filed a code enforcement against the city of Perry for this lot. >> Period. >> Do it. >> I am. >> I don't blame you. >> I've had enough of listening to it. There are options to get it done and nobody wants to do it.
>> Nobody wants to do it. >> So, I'm fing it. >> I'm willing to do it for you. And I the mayor will stand in front of the magistrate and explain it. >> Will you fing the other? >> You f you want to. I'm fing on this one. >> It's up to you.
>> It is up to me and I'm going to do it. >> So where we stand? I guess I'm really confused of where we just left off. >> The motion that Oh, I understand that. >> Is Shauna Beach going to look at this or are we done?
get back with you. >> Just get John >> figure out everything. >> In the meantime, I don't know how much you mention if you want to hire you to give you know private >> I can get a real doctor and give me an
estimates but every time someone comes up here Everything changes. >> You can't keep doing something for one and then when other ones come up, you don't want to do it. >> Three hurricanes made an ugly mess.
>> It did. >> All right. I will get with John and we'll we'll see where and like I said, if you want I can get a a realer that I use to tell me what it's worth as it >> sits >> if that if that will assist.
All right, John. >> Or we going to listen to the realtor. Give me a call. Let me know what you want to do. >> I'd be more than happy to come back. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Have a great night. You too. >> See you later.
Item 6D, resolution 2025-20, council to conduct public hearing on the city of Perry tenative millillage for fiscal year 2025-2026 and take any action deemed necessary. A resolution adopting the tenative mill
rate for the city of Perry, Florida covering its fiscal year operation beginning October 1st, 2025 and ending September 30th, 2026. So two options for mill rate was the prior millage rate of 5.8336
which would bring me in 2,151,266 27,492 of this go to the CRA fund. This would be a 0.25% change from the roll back rate. And this is city manager's recommendation to fund our budget. And this is what y'all chose to advertise on
notice. Um and then the other option is the current year roll back rate which would bring in five which is 5.8188 and it would bring in 2 mill145,88 to adopt. Do we have a second? >> The 5.8336
>> whatever in that >> prior year's message. >> We have a second. >> Second. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Agenda item six FE
6E council a resolution excuse me resolution 2025-21 council to conduct public hearing on the city of period tenative budget for the fiscal year 2025 2026
to take any action deemed necessary a resolution adopting the tenative budget for the city of Perry of city of Perry Florida for the period of October 1st, 2025 and ending September 30th, 2026. We have any discussion on this? If not,
I'll entertain a motion. >> Changes. >> I was almost done. If y'all give me like two seconds. We can move on to We can move on to another item if you want to continue working on that. >> Only takes three minutes
on my computer. You're making me do it manually. >> You don't want reduce this budget. I mean, if you want to reduce it be fine, but you don't
want to reduce it if you're comfortable with what you've got here. >> We were until the >> if you're not reduce it. We we we did that's what I was trying to figure
>> it will cover that and just don't pay Jamie. >> You know what >> you just became a volunteer >> the central place
is of course you 72,000 less 37 out of balance. It's use cash brought forward of 72 in the utility tax.
>> Let's do that. >> That's the simplest place. >> I agree. Thank you. >> And then then just add the crack >> and transfer. >> That's what >> Yeah. All that work on $3.
>> No, let it Let's do that. >> So, I don't even y'all ignore my coffee. >> But, I mean, I don't go I would feel better if I could go back and do all my numbers, not try to rush
>> rush it. Okay. But I mean, if if y'all are good with pulling it, >> have we have we got to adopt tonight? >> So, y'all have to adopt the tentative budget tonight, but then we still have the next meeting on the 23rd, which would be the final. So, we can still make changes.
>> So, you we can adopt the tentative, what do you call subject changes? >> Yes, sir. And I mean there's normally changes in between the tenative and the final anyway. So
>> yes, everything's final now. The only thing that changed from the last one was we got the local option gas tax number and it was $340,25. And then we use low option gas tax funds to cover street capital outlay expenses because those are qualifying expenses
for low option gas tax like the front end loader and the tractor because that's for the roads or rideways. That's the only things that we changed. Um, so this is what will be advertised and then any changes that we bring forward
concerning the Boys and Girls Club would just be I I'll do what y'all requested and we can >> you understand what I how I said do it. >> Cash brought forward reserves. >> Do what? >> Cash brought forward
>> and utility tax. >> Yes, sir. and then >> and then transfer utility tax into the other funds. So that would be from reserves is what you're saying. >> Yes, sir. >> We need a motion to adopt the tenative.
>> Yes, sir. >> Okay, I'll make that motion. >> I second it. >> Council member. >> Yes. Council member Hampton. >> Yes. >> Council member Wolf. >> Yes. >> Mayor.
>> Yes. >> M. Agenda item 6. Ordinance number 1056. Introduction of Burks reading. Ordinance 1056. An ordinance of the city of Perry. Excuse me. Ordinance of the city council of the city of Perry, Terra County,
Florida regarding a surplus lands certain land and to provide an effective date, >> the whale side, right? The whale. Do >> we have a motion or any discussion? >> Yes, ma'am. Um he mentioned that he
would pay $4,500 for the clean up. Are we going to collect those money? No one heard that. >> Well, there was a lot of stuff talked about. I don't >> remember. I remember it came down to
$3,000. I thought >> he he said he would >> clean it up. >> Yeah, we were going. It was 3,000 and and we were going to >> So you didn't say anything about $4,500.
That was that was not what the motion was. It was it was $3,000 and then we were going to be responsible for everything. But you also see that you'll be willing to pay the 4500
back to the city. >> I heard that. >> Whatever. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I just I don't the first reading. >> We have any further discussion?
>> Anybody from the audience like to speak on this? Anyone else? Okay. Agenda item 6G. Council to appoint one citizen to serve on the Perry Planning and Zoning Board and council to take any
action deemed necessary. We come with anyone yet. >> We don't have anyone yet, but one of the board members has not and he's but he's will see him again next week.
Um, and he's going to send him up there to city hall to talk to us about it. I'm not sure of his name, but he works out at the hospital. >> All right. >> So, maybe next meeting. >> Okay.
Sounds good. So, we'll just revisit this next meeting. All right. Agenda item 6H, approval of minutes from the August 26 regular session. We have any corrections or as Jerus
for me about what I said about the children. >> Okay. I want it to be known that I ask for prayers for everyone and not just for my Catholic.
>> I would appreciate that. Everybody needs prayers. >> Do we have a motion to approve? >> Motion second. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. All right. John,
anything? >> Yeah. We were looking at water site land on plantation. It's in the right side of town for I've been hearing that for years. We need to well on that side of town
on it. >> What's the acreage? Sounds like it's worth it. >> In the right location and making any more. Where is >> property is not far away from the original property. It's actually part of
the original five years. Oh yeah, right there in the middle >> right there. >> Then get Yeah. >> See, that that railroad property has always been a
>> Yeah, >> that'll that'll get around that, >> right? cuz every time you try to go toward Dixie, you run into the railroad prosecution. >> Got county offices offices right here. So, it's not set up for
government property. This one right here 11 acres. 11 acres for 440,000. >> Still didn't have good access to the main. >> All right. You can't get across. Well, you can't get across the railroad. They
never talk to this portion. >> Exactly. That's pretty wet back. >> Do you need What do you need from us, John? >> I was guess ahead sign the contract on behalf
of the city. We got the money to make the chief. Yes. just pay for it out of reserves or >> make a big impact in the state right now show the district will get the property.
>> That's true for the city. Yeah, we need some kind of but I need a motion to go ahead and sign the contract for it all through. >> Okay. >> Motion Hampton second.
>> What do we do? property for the water well on the south side of town or water plant actually it's going to be in the contract >> no absolutely not a contract
contract >> no contract well bad >> we no you need to you need to understand how to do that >> and first is you get whatever put a test
well in and if the test well is bad you walk away >> but you you making a big mistake if you pay >> that's good >> and I don't know when I lived here for a pretty good
while I'm not sure that that's going to turn out good with what's there >> still does do you You you can't you can't >> I got you >> contract or something a well property
without knowing if it's good for what you're going to use it for. >> That's correct. >> You wouldn't do that with a house, would you? With your house? >> No. That answer is no. Attorney would
not do it either. Nobody in their right mind would do it. Because if you buy it and it's bad, you're going to have somebody up here want to give you
$2500 for it. >> You're making a big mistake. >> You need to find out the proper way to do that. And signing the contract is not a proper way.
Well, something's got to be signed. >> Some kind of letter of intent or something's got to be signed. >> I ask her if she'd agree with something. You do that. >> Who's the owner? K Curtis.
>> It's not Curtis. >> Karen Curtis. >> Karen Curtis. Pines address will be on the like house. I guess >> they probably going to want some money in escrow of some kind. I'm guessing
>> it's only 8,000. I don't know if she'll let us long it takes to do a test on all that. This is what is 30 days. 30-day >> make a motion to have a approval to go for depending on the outcome as well.
Does he have to purchase property if she agreed to the other >> has the attorney reviewed that? >> Not now. It's a little late. I hope she would recognize that you better
make sure you can use that property before you give the time. I was afraid of doubling or triple the price. just trying to get in while we didn't >> we call >> you resend your motion. >> Yeah, you can resend it.
>> Did you resend your second? This is your first time. I guess my first end. There's something that you should be foring counseling information. First, you have
an attorney that you can use. Secondly, you need to call Bill O'Brien. Just joking. Just joking. >> You get back with us. >> And besides that, when you're doing something that important, it needs to be on the agenda
as a item of its own. >> Yeah. Instead of sending us an email. You're right. They bought property out there in the public knowing who was trying to get it. What they were trying to get it for the protected price. >> Well, everybody knows now
the TCDA for 10 years now. One of the better deals we had about eight years ago come through. They found out who was trying to buy it. The price double overnight. I was trying to prevent that. That's what's going to happen. But if the well's good, it's worth
double price. Well, that's just it. She's she wants some kind of signature and some kind of something to go in there and start doing more any kind of testing. I mean, I >> I've done this sort of thing before. You're not going to walk on somebody's
land to do anything without something signed. It ain't going to happen. >> She's suggesting >> there was maybe do a six month or three. Do a maximum of six. How long is it going to
take to shoot a weld down and test it? It'll be done 30 days, 60 days. How many days is it going to take? >> I I don't reach out. We can find somebody free. >> Find somebody what? as a do. >> Oh, you mean like Okay, it's not tied
up. >> We're going to f though. >> Mr. Brown, he asked through the contract. [Music] like that. >> See if they'll do a Okay, just Okay, let's say if somebody is free, somebody
can shoot a whale. How long will it take to get the results? >> Probably take a week to do the whale. It probably take on what was had to be tested for, you can take up to a month.
So, we're talking 45 days from the time the whale gets put down till you find the results. Can you find somebody in the next couple of months? You think? Do you know? >> Make some phone calls tomorrow and see somebody now.
>> Can we do a maximum of six months up to and if something happens beforehand, we just go ahead and move. >> She agrees to sell her. >> Can you find out? Whoever's speaking the Karen Karen Curt whoever speaking with
can y'all find out >> good or bad where you draw the line that's always come back >> what kind of you know money they want she wants if she agrees to go forward with this on a six-month old or less contingency find how much money she wants putting
putting what do you call it escrow thank you I was want to say trust but I know that wasn't the right word can we do that you need some just an agreement from us or do you need us to vote
>> go ahead and sign up with the city she agrees all I will need a motion for me to sign the obviously continue those. >> Anybody care to make that motion? >> Who does she think is mine?
She thinks is you personally believe But this is for the city, not yet >> and it's not Curtis law firm as a agent. >> Is there some type of time limitation as to why this is just coming for the city? I mean, is there some type
of urgency regarding the time only is the o only urgency the fact that you you're concerned that Miss Curtis will find out is the city that wants the property? >> Yes. >> I have not seen this. I know it was a part of discussion today. may be a very
viable opportunity. But um I know I missed one meeting a couple weeks ago that referred to a well on or the water that Mr. Castle was talking about today on the if I understand correctly it was a well site >> that was on Sax Street. It was
>> right. So this is not what this is. So when um especially since no one else knows about this I when I heard you talking I thought you were talking about the vacant club that we abandoned. I would suggest if possible to table us until
next meeting, >> but in the meantime, can we move forward with getting the property under some kind of contract in case everything works out a six-month contingency? >> Is there any problem with that,
attorney? Well, again, I can't I can't speak to the to the efficacy of that or not. I mean, based on what I'm just hearing now, I don't feel comfortable suggesting whether it would be or not. >> I'm just saying if we get a um I mean, get a decent contract that you
approve of. I'm just saying, can we go ahead and move forward with it? Is that okay? >> Yes. >> If this council does that, >> right? And so, I don't know what the language would be. So that's why I'm saying I I don't feel like I can tenatively say yes except the idea if
the city felt comfortable. I guess for the point of checking out the water to see if it's viable before purchasing the whole property, but like would that come through a lease or a use license? What would that come?
>> Say I used to do this when I built cell towers. You go into a piece of property, you say, "I need several months to see if I can get my permits. It expires at some point." I used to do one year. Typically,
it was leasing land. All you do is go in and do a one, say, "I need a year to see if this will even work." If it won't work, you take the money I gave you, the,000, 2,000, whatever it is. You walk away with that money and no harm, no foul.
So >> that was on a lease, not a purchase. That was on a lease, not a purchase. But it's the same thing in theory. >> What's that? >> You're saying something to lease it. >> I said I was leasing the property. I wasn't buying the property, >> right? >> But it's the same principle.
It's just saying, hey, I need to find out if this property is going to work for this purpose. I need to tie it up for x amount of months. Are you okay with that? >> Maybe you might have to go. So due diligence infection comes back >> real estate done real estate all the time
again given that this was not on the calendar I would say the same I I could not force it I'm not saying that the city can't do what you desire to do but not I don't feel like I can endorse that
>> I'm not talking about endorsing this I'm talking about endorsing going forward with a six-month contingency >> release of some sort >> authorizing John to go ahead and sign a contract based just on a contingency saying, "Hey, if
everything works out, we'll move forward with the purchase." That's all. It's real simple. Sorry, >> that's been approved. >> It hasn't been approved. I'm asking I mean just saying that that's what we're that's the discussion right now as far
as I know we're talking about doing. >> So that's what John's asking for is a motion on that and a vote. >> So you get the guns and make that happen. >> Yes. I could
satisfy you. Did you hear what mayor said? We're talking about doing a six-month contingency. >> Okay. Do it. >> I I'll leave the mirror to you. Tell me. There just a six-month contingency to
see if everything's going to work. If everything a sixmonth contingency to tie the property up for six months and if everything works like it's supposed to, then we go forward with the purchase. If it doesn't work out, we walk away
kind of like support something that's not even on the agenda. Not me. What? He >> He made plenty of motions weren't on the agenda. He made a lot of motions weren't on the agenda and we voted on.
>> Yeah, but they're not important issues. >> I hope. Okay, that's anybody care to make a motion that effect or >> make a motion. >> All right, Miss H made a motion. >> You spend that kind of money, you need
to do it a little different than buying it from change. >> But we're not spending it unless everything works out. They're changing their wordings and everything. >> What's wrong with the site where the
whale is over here now? Right. >> I guess I'm on the southside town. >> That's why they make pumps and tanks. Come on now. >> I can speak to that. The main reason
we're trying to find the wells on the south side of town is because of the limited crossing because all of the railroad track crossings we have currently. If we put something on the south of town, we're going to have less water standing time and pipes, hopefully a better water quality depending on the
well tests. But the main point of it is to get across town so we have make these major infrastructure changes that are going to take 10, 15 years to do and we can go ahead and get better water quality sooner and better pressure on the south. But water quality, all this
money we spend over here is supposed to take care of all that. >> That only takes care of one of the city's three wells and it cannot provide water to the entire city on its own. >> It was the worst quality of >> I don't know why you can't use that property we already got
>> because we can't overdraw down on property that we already have on well. It's too close proximity. We can't put multiple wells that close to each other. >> Pretty good piece. It is a pretty good piece, but we don't have the ability to put another large well on that property.
And if we had to put other filtration or any other treatment on that land, we're going to run out of property pretty quickly. I've been here a long time. We ain't run out of cats. >> I know you maybe you know something. I
don't know about the growth par degation of the WS we have now probably why we dropping every year isn't isn't the water has been for years I inherited that problem
and and I would say this like if you know the process to to get a well tell us tell us what we need to do. >> Like I said, I'll reach out to my contacts. I already have now. I've already got answers, but I don't want to
speak to any of them just yet. Not until I have more finite answers, but we will gladly give to them and figure out a process to do a test on whatever property details we can. But if there's a way we can hold this property up and keep it from being potentially sold out for something we
really do need, I would love to see I'm not saying purchase it. I'm not saying do that. But if there's a way we can say, hang on, can we at least do some test on the property allow can we at least do that?
I don't see the harm in it personally. I've heard Florida Road Water. I've heard our engineers. I've heard everybody coming here for years and say we need a well on the south side of town. There must be a reason. I'm not a water person. I don't really
know. All I know is everybody's in agreement on that. >> We've been talking about it for years. >> Exactly. I mean, I'm not >> we're not going to listen to all these professionals and engineers and why bother having them
really that simple to you. >> Voting then or what? Somebody's got Somebody's got to make a motion. >> I made a motion >> to do what now exactly? >> What you ask them? >> Go ahead.
>> Property owners were put in the test. >> Try to test the problem. >> But we need to have some kind of something in paper saying we're going to >> an agreement motion for the contract with contingencies is what she made the motion for. >> Okay.
Do we have a second on that? >> Second. [Music] >> Contingency to make sure the water's fine. sign a contract with six months contingency depending on the quality of the water. >> Correct.
>> Well, you don't. >> That's what the motion was for. >> Somebody need to find out what the heck we're talking about, what we're going to do, and what we're doing is not right. I'm not going to
[Music] >> Yes. Yes. >> Mayor. >> Yes. >> And how much money are you allowed in? >> Not exchanging any money. >> Not exchanging anybody at this point.
They got to spend money to find out. You can't do it without a test 12 >> and you can't do it >> without a contract that says if it's bad >> whatever >> wherever we're going to do a well we got
to see >> okay >> you all deal with the contingency um the motion for contingency it needs to be in the city of par it can't be private citizens
that's actually against the records. Um it violates um it there parts of it that violates the sunshine law and open meeting requirements and it can actually cause the transaction itself to be considered voidable.
>> I'm not I'm not sure what you're talking about. >> We're asking about a contingency contract. I don't understand that >> you're going to give it. It's the private name. >> The name of the transaction is the name
of John Hart, not city manager of Perry, Florida as is noted like a private citizen. So even with the contract contingency that you all agreed for that it still would need to be in city of Perry. It's a city of Perry
transactions, not a private actor. Are you Aren't you going to sign that contract? >> Well, I asked particularly who is a part of who do they understand the transaction on person? Um, and
the city can't make transactions like it's acting on behalf of a private citizen. That needs to be clear because that end up >> that's that was a draft that can be changed. >> Well, I'm just noting that. So, even with the city council giving opportunity
for contingency, it needs to be in the the name of the city. One thing you can't do is get a sample from whatever is around that place. Say there were 10 houses, get sample of
those 10 houses and have it tested. You won't have it tested like you will if there's a well there, but you can test it to a certain degree. >> Good idea.
>> Let you do it. They won't be able to run. John, you got anything else? city attorney. >> Um just on um follow up with this. Um are we going to we're going to move
forward with that? Is this going to be on the next agenda as well? >> Regarding any costs or what they were able to find regarding how they're going to test the well, >> wherever we put a well anywhere, it's got to be tested. We got to shoot a test. Well, no matter what.
>> My question, >> we put one five foot from one we've got now. We got to shoot a test. Well, >> question was that would it be on an agenda to follow up with because you all still haven't determined amount or how the however the will is going to be
tested. It doesn't have to be on the next agenda. I was just I'm going to ask just because again if if this has some time to I want to make sure that I'm reviewing this and that if you all have any other questions regarding cost for the actual
execution contract that you all review it because you're allowing him to do it but there's the terms of which >> so you need like you said like a time to go over it. >> Yeah. I was led to believe at some point we had money set aside or we had a grant
or something to sheet a test well. >> It may only produce 200 gallons a minute and they going to be stuck. I'll check with D to see what kind of neighboring wells we may have in the
area and if any of them would supplies for a test location maybe some across the street I don't know that >> I don't know for certain portion office there >> maybe I don't know >> I do know there is one at the rear of the property a couple
blocks over at the orange robe. I know they have a well for the orange probe itself agriculture. >> That's right. I forgot about that one. It's pretty good size one if I'm not mistaken. >> It would probably be a pretty similar size to what the city might have to put
in for a new project. So, >> that one is also we'll check, >> but like I said, I'll check with D and see what they would allow as far as the test location. All right. >> We've been talking about this for years
and I remember something at some point something come up about some money being available. I keep saying shoot a test well, drill a test well, whatever you want to call it. Put a pipe in the ground and test the water, water flow, water quality, etc. Anyway,
do you have anything? You have anything else? >> Um, a couple of things I just wanted to notice. Um, I started July, but most of the things we're compliant with, there have been um some new um affirmative requirements for cities in 2025
legislation that I just wanted to mention. Um and also that there are some cities who are are um joining in class action suit because they feel that mo many of these um including the one I'm about to share is um against home rule.
Um I don't think it's going to affect us as far as um the first one I'm going to mention as much. But um Senate Bill 784 dealing with cladding, you know, creating of the subdivisions and recreating different um pling lines. Um, the state law now requires cities to
implement an administrative review process for all plaster repots if we make Dian was here. I'm so sorry. I was mentioning to Diane and the zoning board, cities that currently require plastic replies to be approved by a governing body must change their current
process to conform into the new law. All other cities must review their current process to ensure conformity with the new law. Basically, new law is making it way easier for a citizen or someone to plat or replat um the property, but our
current um LDR has as a part of what the zoning board does. And this is a attempt to just make it an ad administrative process. So, if they check off all the right boxes, then that could be approved without it having going to a zoning board. those kind of decisions
traditionally has been reserved for city councils to determine. Um and another part of that or another something in similar measure um Senate Bill 1080 local government land development
regulations effective in October 2025. Cities must specify in writing the information that must be submitted in an application for zoning, reszoning, subdivision, certification, special exceptions or variance and to confirm receipt of the applications within 5
days. I don't know right now how quickly we get we probably turn around quicker than 5 days. Um but and we do have a number of things in writing but even the zoning board have been mentioning how they wanted the process to be more easily understood when people come in
asking for information. Well, how do I apply for this and that and normally um because we only have one person staffed um in that position is based on whatever is told to them. And I guess we had an example today in our public hearing that there is not an automatic um expectation
that you will receive the answer within five days. Um it's really usually just based on anything else when someone gets around to it. Um and those are just two things that I want to noted regarding um the expectation of implementation um
sooner than later and we haven't had any requests for plats or replats but that became effective in July regarding um written out instructions and reply in five days for for zoning questions and things alike that um that is effective
October 1st 2025 and since I am here with so many of our leaders. There were other affirmative requirements that um that our our departments may already be in comp compliance with, but I would love to connect or if you even aware of
it now um has there already been some implementation um individually like for um House Bill 551 fire protection is requiring the cities to implement a simplified permitting process consistent
with Florida statute 53.7932 by this O October and it's to simplify permitting process for fire alarms or sprinkle system projects of 20 or fewer alarm devices or sprinklers. I'm just noting that um because I would love to
when we can after after our hearing or after our council day maybe get a meeting with you fire chief to see if you know that may be something that impacts us a lot or not. We may be I don't know that we get many requests
regarding um projects over 20 fire lines that much but um and another um so that those three things um are are or at least the fire prevention and the um the zoning requirement of information being
made public as well as to respond in five days that's supposed to be implemented by October 2025. So I would love to connect with you and any other department that may have been made aware of some new affirming change that the
state has has done in um correcting some other requirement that typically would only come from the city council. And so that's why some especially major cities are up at arms saying it's going as home rules which is constitutionally
protected. But like anything else, we'll wait and see what comes out with the um lawsuits. But of course, we'll come into compliance the best we know how um if we have to adjust anything. Um but
also because I know um Mr. part and I have at least been in in talking about changing um some of the land um the LDR aspects through a ordinance that you all would sign and I know some law firms have have asked um or said we can help
you with this but I believe particularly because um it's a very simple process and planning regarding our our organization and period so we should be able to do that in house and I'll have a resolution ready for you all to review at the next
portion or take care of it. Yeah, they have a proponent telling us that our continuing engineers that we had to do these changes to get in compliance with that. gonna charge
$7,000 to do it for >> but that's all right. >> Thank you Charlie Jamie. Um >> okay
Daniel >> Andrew Sean. >> All right. Yes. John, did you check on that grant? >> Looking for it.
>> Oh, you found something. >> I found a daily grant that just deals with um crime prevention. It wasn't attached to the gun sale. >> Gun sale. Okay. you you're seeing that falling a little bit more out of favor,
>> but um grants that at least the ones I looked at um they can only come through the city the city's police department or law enforcement, the public defenders office or the prosecutor's office. So um I do hope to work with Jamie with some
ideas as to a crim a criminal prevention program, but I did not see a grant >> dealing with gun violence. >> Okay. The grants are directed towards the county level. >> Okay. >> I know. But it does give an opportunity. >> Correct.
>> And and our eliminates us from the federal grant, but they all come through the office state grants through so fun through them. And if we don't meet their project guidelines,
they've changed that grant process a while. Very You know, I imagine there's a new one that um goes into effect um in January. So whether I can get potential traction
through law enforcement or the public defenders office or the state attorney's office, but um I did not find a grant. I'm not saying there's not. I did not find a grant regarding buyback. >> Okay. And in this unfortunate atmosphere, I don't know if many people
would respond to the bad by that. >> Um, I just want to thank you, thank her, and everybody that attended our peaceful that we had this Tuesday.
>> Yeah, it was nice. >> I wasn't there. >> No, no, no. I want to thank you for meeting with the guys that came out and trying to teach us how to handle situations like that. Yes. Yes. >> Other than that, that's it for me.
>> Sooner or later, it's going to come up. I'm going to go ahead and say it. Me and Dan Castle go to the same church. I don't know Dan that well. I know his son a lot better. I know him. He wasn't even on my radar. I asked several people to buy that piece of property. Everybody said, "No, it's in a flood zone. It's
trashed. Forget it." Danielle's the one that told me that Dan Castle was going to come forward and approach you about buying that property. >> Go about it or more. >> So, I was fixing I was I was I was fixing to file papers on the city of
Perry because, you know, just it just sitting there. Nobody will move one way or another. We were offered a choice. The only choice I I even know I even know exists. If somebody else out there in TV land wants to come forward and offer something,
come forward and offer something, please. Right now, that's the only thing I know of that's anybody's even close to being interested in it. And I'm going to go forward tomorrow morning to go and file paperwork
cuz something's got to change on this. You don't have to complain. I think he played my castles. >> Cool. >> Is that his name? Mr. >> Yes. >> Well, when he was standing up there, I don't know if that officially caused the
complaint, but I thought he said that he would. >> So, that um although as a private citizen, I looked up really quick. you as a mayor, you still can file, but when it when and if it comes back to the city, you would you wouldn't be able to
vote on it. But if it's castle, >> it's fine by me. >> But I am going to file it. >> You want to file I mean, you will want to vote on it, but I was just suggesting >> just I've been I mean there's I understand there's other properties and if anybody else wants to file on other I have filed on
other properties. It's never the city. I have filed on other properties, have I not? Actually, I've had communications with just about every council member about issues. >> Exactly. And I and I have gone on record. I filed on other pieces of property. I just never filed against the
city. And I don't want to file against the city. I really don't. But I feel like this at this time, there isn't any other choice because >> that is what >> there's any other choice. >> That is what we do, Lord. >> Right. >> Our constituents give us a complaint. We
filed it for them. >> Right. Now, um, >> and there's others. There's others. >> And my history, which about five years ago, it was so clean and nice.
Every piece of property was clean off. When we don't keep it clean, it rises back up. So now we have another big jungle in our community, your community, our
community, your community, >> and we're going to file soon. Let's just say all of the properties we need to get done. >> Well, I suggest that your >> listen,
>> we need to talk about it, Danielle. >> I know. That's what I'm saying because that plantation there's no way. >> We need to talk about it. >> It may be. >> Yes, ma'am. >> I was speaking. >> Yes, ma'am.
>> We don't know. We might be able to find some funds to get someone who won't charge us an arm and a leg. to go in and clean up these properties. Well, we can't just fight for one property without fighting for the to be
cleaned is what I'm saying. >> I understand every you have the on handling. I don't know whether that's been clean or not, but she's been asking for that property be clean forever.
It's still the same way. I know that we can clean up these properties. We've done it before. We can do it again. >> But what the difference in what Ward is trying to explain and what you explaining is that we have someone that's willing to come buy the property
and get it cleaned up. Um, correct me if I'm wrong. What you're trying to get is the city to come in and say, "Hey, we're going to clean the properties." Which is going to cost. But if we can get a rid of some of these properties, that's what he's saying. I understand we had a way out and
refused >> the fall down. >> Yes. >> The right to sell the property as it happens. >> I can understand Mayor Kendrick said I will I'm willing
to file complaint against the city. >> Exactly. >> In a code enforcement. >> It isn't something I wanted to do. I've held off. I've been wanting to do it. held. Well, when Dan when you said, you know, Dan Castle, I was like, "Oh, yeah, that's right. I didn't cut the piece." Yeah. I forgot he had the his daughter lives there.
>> But anyway, but but you I said, "Okay, I'll hold off and hopefully this will work itself out." Well, it didn't. We had every chance in the world to do it. Refused it. >> That's right. >> Said no. So, >> you had the right. >> That's where I'm at on it. What we can
do is ourselves for 8,000 for 8,500. like 500 bucks when he sat there and offered you 2500. He take care of all the liability and everything wrong with it >> and didn't have to do anything except say yes >> and it goes back on tax rolling.
>> Exactly. or you'll have no >> exactly >> and chief >> all those properties in history too. The bank of properties is old. I like
for those to be noticed as well. Maybe we get those cleaned up some coming by. Um, can I have another code for officer for a while then? >> Can I have a Denver code officer?
>> I don't I don't ever see um >> I don't ever see anything before the magistrate. >> Oh yes. >> They had two on our magistrate has used >> by the time he's been communicating with
people regularly and by the time it comes to the magic hearing they've been they've taken care of the issue there. So it's not like he goes and notices them and disappears. He continues and follows up and make sure they're doing it. >> So it's it's correct before we get to there. >> Can I get a copy of those and been
notice please? >> That's that's where y got the record. >> Can I strongly suggest and I did see um Mayor Ket or Mr. council situation a little bit different because the city
council has not made any decisions regarding selling which could could answer the problem that is not only the idea of you know putting a broad stroke um property that could be considered problematic there is a
process of complaint so you file the complaint why you why you believe that some type of hazard and also like you said, defile the complaints and also note what you believe are the hazards or the
violations that are happening on that property. And as he said, um then the the code official comes to the comes to the owners, which is the city. I'm like I'm like you are the people and you got have an opportunity to comply with the
code and give an idea an estimation of how much it does how much it um will cost or time to do it. Then if you still are in non-compliance to come to special master and then she right now master she would decide if you're in violation then
give you usually 30 days to comply. This is going to be really interesting because I'm the prosecutor code enforcement. >> Yes. >> So, you may need a special master prosecutor. Um, and you it's like instead of having holding yourself
accountable through a code enforcement, it'd be great to hold yourself accountable as the board because you have the authority. Um, and then whatever the fine is, if you don't come into compliance, typically in 30 days, you have a a fee
assessed to you every day that you're out of non-compliance. And that fee could be up to $500 a day. So what I what I what may help and I'm just noting this because you all do have the power without code enforcement that you also
control to get these properties in order that maybe because of the frustration of the day. Today may not be the time, but you have the opportunity to like make decisions to clean up the properties because don't what you don't want is end
up having how many fines over how many properties to get done in 30 days when we're still trying to talk about all the other needs of the city. Um, and I it sounds but it's like it's almost like a parent putting themselves on punishment. >> Exactly.
>> Sovereign immunity. >> Okay. I was over here saying sovereign immunity, but no one was listening and and Jamie just nodded his head. Sovereign immunity in this case, cities can be held to be in compliant with their own ordinances. What what is
limiting is like damages, right? Um and things that nature. Someone got hurt in the water by the city. But um what I've looked up so far, I it is a limited waiver when it comes to performance. So
our code enforcement can tell any owner of property to perform and get into compliance. It may be an argument we may not be able to define for it or there's limitations but like I said um
that you may want to think also about initiative and maybe this is in the budget or not I don't know um of how can we start cleaning up some of these properties but I realized because of the one of the ways to clean it up is to
sell it to people willing to clean up doesn't seem to have moved the um moved the goal post that you may feel like this is your last effort, but I just want to let you know it's still going to come back to you. You unless you all recuse yourself and have another counsel
and you take on all these complaints, then it may it may not do what you think it'll do. And if you if you attach yourself to the pro the things are already before the board to decide like selling property that's also under code
violation you if you filed you can't make you can't vote on the sale of the property that you may be interested in. So that's why I'm saying like it sounds it sounds great but I would advise against it because you know you find yourself um unable to perform and I
don't know or this is not the most powerful way to go forward because you have the right to say yes now >> exactly >> bring us a list of the uh call them the fines
that the city has assessed >> you know the outstanding fines that have been assessed or >> what you're looking for >> that'd be a good thing to see for the heck of it
all I know and I'm going to simplify it that piece of property is killing trees around it on other people's property period the bugs are all in it the bugs are spreading they do that >> asking Anybody? Ask anybody in the forestry business. Anybody.
Secondly, there's a tree about foot and a half thick. Bottom of us on the ground. It goes up like a ramp onto a bunch of limbs that are riding by the day. That is I think when I was a 10
yearear-old, I've been all over that tree having a big time swinging all over it. >> Okay. I think lawyers call that an attractive nuisance. >> Oh yeah. >> And if a kid goes to swinging on that thing at the wrong time,
I'm just don't want it to happen. Okay. To me, it's a danger issue. >> Terminology trees like that. It's called widow. >> Correct. I don't want it to happen. I do not want
it to happen. It's that simple for me. It's a safety issue. I mean, okay, fine. The things killing other pe trees in people's yards. That's neither here nor there. I mean, with us, I guess it it is with the people that own the trees, but I guess with us, that's not that big a deal. But
the fact is somebody that could happen to somebody weighs heavily on me. It really does. That's where I'm at on it. Legal all this legal terminology aside, that's where I'm at.
So anyway, that's why I feel like I need to do what I need to do and that's all I have. >> Mr. Bill, >> Mr. Bill, anything else? everything.