##VIDEO ID:o8GliIrd_nU## e e e e say she don't care you want say the pray okay John let me know when you're ready we going get to January 28th 2025 city council meeting called to order remind everybody to silence your cell phones Happ is going to lead us in our opening prayer father by the Pledge of Allegiance bow our hands to us Heavenly Father we thank you for allowing us to meet here together this evening to do the business of this city father God we're asking that you will guide us lead us direct and protect us Lord we asking that you will heal our nation asking that you will direct this meeting so that it is held in a safe and orderly fashion asking you heavenly father to guide our thoughts to help us to make the best decisions that come before us today concerning the city of Perry and the residence within in Jesus name amen amen the FL of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all a roll call please ma'am here council member council member wood vice mayor Landry here mayor K here it number three approval of items on the consent agenda approval to read by title only ordinance number 1047 and approval to read by title only resolution 2025 d04 have a motion motion roll call please ma'am Brown yes council member H yes council member wood agenda yes yes receiving a request from the general public does anybody from the general public want to speak on anything that's not on the agenda hear you no one one number five bids we have any bids at this time no bids okay move on the general business agenda item 6A Council to discuss selling partial number 0317 5- 0000 to vinador Rentals LLC to determine purchase price and counsel to take any action deemed necessary I hope I pronounced that name correctly you'd like to speak on this we just come forward and just give us your name and address please sir thank you okay so and I think the reason I'm here because to talk about those part right I did I did look at the there FL on um want to see um I think I have a priz on on the um bar was like [Music] um was 15,000 I think was that price 15 15 right it was for that was for one right for the last one origin I thought you were just trying to purchase this one I didn't know you wanted this one right right we look and it was it was there already so I was just TR to say go ahead and get it for parking on the future um iide what I want to do is um trying to see if I can add a like a playground and more par to the the building like a something for the kids when while parents hearing uh kids can go safely have fun playing or or whatever the restaurant now um the price uh is negotiable or that is the price I have to to agree to what was the price on the second part say that again what was the price on the second piece did you check that out Sean had 2500 2500 500 25 25 and how much on the other the big big partial 15,000 but U like again that that's um on my eyes it's uh it's all in flood I don't think for anybody to want to buy it you know it's I I don't know what somebody can do with pizza of property and um I was hoping I can get it for a better better price in the beginning when I we look at somehow the impression was a lot lower than that now I'm I'm just trying to see we can uh it can be a better price or or what we can do uh to purchase and to be honest I don't know I need to refer to what do you have in mind um what do you do you have do I need to make offer or um because I'd like to know be fair to you know I want to hear anybody I think this can be fair for you you know what I mean so I don't want to like make an offer like I want to hear from anybody to that knows more about the property and give me a good offer or do I have to do I have to make off what did what did you have in I was thinking something around 10,000 10 yes for for the it's for a large property yeah and I think for the little piece I think I'm okay with $2,500 the problem is Aon might give 11 okay that that's a problem yes U doing that that's the reason for sending out the letters to the adjacent land owners they had an opportunity to be here too he's only one that showed interest somebody else may want it whoever may want it you never know that's my problem I don't want to S up up li we get in trouble who opinion who dney oh yeah that be because we don't want to get oursel in a bond we selling it to him for a cheaper price and we get in trouble for that you got understand this is not our property it's constituents property correct but check sh you know you know no no no he wants to for 10 that wasn't what shaa said 175 is what that comes up to for both pieces right for both pieces we really want is an attorney's opinion method we're doing it didn't we do a poli for doing this yeah very yeah lik it I mean do we go by property appraisers price do we go by an actual appraiser price for marketing or a lot of times two prices aren't the same I you'll sell it at a minimum of the appraise value the dropy appraisers value I think that was property not that property appr generally property is generally going to be less low generally generally speaking yes yeah so he needs to get that there should be sold to said private person or entity at no less than the value assessed by the officer of the property that's no less than private person to be responsible pay of all costs associated with said convenance including but not limited to cost of Document Preparation surveys and Title Insurance MH so so what it is I'm interested to buy it I just need to go and and do a so um can I go talk to my bank or because I would like to use my bank instead pay cash right away um what is the process on that yeah what what we do on the other there's been a couple of pieces we sold recently what we do on those took care all the survey I'm talking about the price time so the Wilson There was the Wilson and there was um cribs and they just got everything taken care of and then they just bought the city the check right I mean where would where where did the price get determined was it a an appraisal was it the appraisal from the property appraiser that's what the policy that's what I was thinking too and that's our president know you do need to have the attorney review it to make sure there's not an attorney general opinion out there that deals with this um make sure we're not going to be like we're not to be or something later and there is no City Utilities or anything on this that we're going to need to get to there the only utility on the waterfront is on the Highway 19 front with that I know there's fire hydr that sits on that area but that's also going to be at the property line so that should be an issue I have a question um I know the creek is lying there is there any water in the creek is anyone fish out of that Creek good question we want to make sure that they have enough property to do what they need to do as well they looks like Corin that all looks like it's landlocked anyway you can't really get in there maybe right there that's going to be about place over the years we have seen people fish in that area we also had a drown but they not what be the pleasure of the council decid attorney deal something like that property I take care of it all for say it again put it up on D deals like auction like we do with vehicles and things like that oh yeah I see a lot of land on go deals that's not our policy is says that in our policy talk about this policy seven or eight times now we've never come to a conclusion on what to do but you just read what we should do there still a lot of say we can't sell it for anything less than the PHA value so that's still a lot of unknown in there we can sell for a million dollar some willing to buy it well yeah we could I mean why can't we sell it for the the Property Appraiser's price without an attorney opinion if that's what our policy says I don't have a problem with that I just wasn't going I was agreeing with taking it for 10,000 that was where my problem was coming in we we selling it for Less right that's what I had but other than that I'm fine whatever property I just wondered what his opinion was for the value of it but property progress it's more so probably because it's on 19 for their bright volume okay then mhm yes 17,000 175 that's are both pieces yeah 15 plus 2 the price 15 17 and the buyer pays all all cost 17 17,500 okay I'm bad about that too U bill is that any want care to make a motion okay I we got me to get approved okay you'll be responsible surve all the doation that be a 17 just so you understand 17,500 to the city of Perry all cost is going to fall on you pass that yeah that's right my only question no I'm just being clear right right my only question is uh the um how do we handle the closing how much how long I have to to go because I was coming when we initially look at we look at different prices and I have to go to talk to my bank and it's a process so you guys okay with that right we don't have to go and do it tomorrow right oh no no no so get the process and and we don't have like we like a like a closing day or something maybe 4 60 days or something month right okay that give me time to the financial yeah two weeks there'll be a reading two weeks after that be yeah give or take like said about a month give or take then then you start the closing process in the meantime you can go ahead and start doing your other right well I don't know you might want to wait till the ordinance is done before you start spending money you something go wrong right could be a big me everybody com here and they go against the ordinance you already had money invested in it right okay so I guess I wait for somebody to let me know be uh February the 25th would be when we would have our second meeting on it okay so I have to come to Second meeting and then we we we decide what we you can come to the next meeting as well I mean there'll be it'll be the first reading then 25th will be the second reading okay all right good yeah thank you thank you okay item item 6B cancel to discuss C dbg engineering ranking and Council to take any action deemed necessary gr admin Miss they both recommended that y all do the whatever group we take within the city will be by based on what you said in the last meeting I will let you know that their Road guy that we've been working with JJ and air as of yesterday no longer with M McDonald and that was two of our three main contacts with it probably is a good idea to re based on their information we were so was that the two that was here talking to usir was here new guy was I never met him before till that day sorry Mr Browns I think interrupted you we move on to the next one we uh they rank a recommendation was made majority declined that recommendation there's only one other group there's only two of them if there was more but there's only two so in a way you're inferring that we don't like this but we'll take this I'll make that motion if you move along did we take the alternate what was the name North was the name North Florida okay I remember North Florida I remember the rest of it the reason we need to ranking CBG when come back and asked question why did you not go with the number one ranked firm I'd rather you all R rank it based on new information that some of their employees I've left them and then we'll have number one ranking for the cdbg grant can we do that now this me we got a motion in a second no this just go Florida have some numbers on the che from the last Mee it seemed that because objection or more information based on Mr Burn's previous knowledge that wasn't part of the application that there may have been questions about the other applicant but is that the applicant that no longer can continue can continue be working with people we've never worked with before it's not the same okay so the idea that there was information but it wasn't part of the review process that um myself and the other contact thought it was best to then give that process over for you all to review and if you all feel comfortable that you review and are ready to rank I believe we still need to rank cuz all of this is based on information that I understand was not given to the council to review and so it would still be the idea of making a decision not based on qualifications because you could decide not to go with either one of them and wanted to resubmit so how much time do we have John a little bit need to get mov forward and did y did y'all do rer ranking they could do a ranking they've already done one it was based on com that I believe regarding maybe a certain consultant or a certain candidate would need to hire outside people that wasn't a part of the application or information but just the idea that there was something that you all did not agree not so much that there was a decision made on the ranking as much as like this other information that wasn't a part of the application process but in the mean times things have changed right other things have changed so I would suggest that may even be another reason and it doesn't have to take a long time you all can review it and rank can rank them independently email it back to me later I'll bring y together at the next meeting you don't do it that way well what are we going to rank if you just got one yeah you still have two you still have two okay he was saying that the one the other one that was not chosen right has changed their people understand one that chosen I know somebody changed y rank it right here in this meeting or email me your rankings and I'll compile them together have the applications can we do it now do it now you for Tom think we should go ahead and do it do you have any ranking sheets I don't guess no because I wouldn't had them either pry 60 points for engineering experience 25 points for capacity perform the requested services and 15 points for ability to perform the requested services that you can put up there do you have a PDF of the um their proposals yeah tell you what why don't we why don't you email that in a ranking sheet to us email their proposals email the ranking sheet and we can get it back to you couple days should be able to we make a decision at the next meeting we have enough time for that okay all right we'll table item six Charlie and come back to it later agenda item 6 D Council to discuss cdbg Grant Administration contract and and the council to take any action deem necessary did I sure did J item 6C Council to discuss cdbg environmental review exemption request and Council will take any action being necessary I say all four look Alik than this just helps us not have to do the full environmental spe time we have to do L that helps the process quite a bit sure we have a motion motion okay counc yes council member Hampton yes council member woodf yes Landry yes mayor K yes okay we'll go back to agenda item 6D Council to discuss cdbg Grant Administration contract and councel will take any action deemed necessary signature motion we have a second council member bran yes council member hon yes counc member yes vice mayor Landry yes may yes agenda item 6 e Council to discuss c dbg transmetal letter to Florida commerce and Council will take any action name necessary the letter with SH attachments we got to get the Florida commerce to show that we're in work to doing this put the RFB out got two of them the minutes that this done Mee all that kind of stuff contact motion to accept council member BR yes counc member hon yes council member woodf yes vice mayor Landry yes mayor yes agenda item 6 F Council to discuss West Frasier options and Council will take any action de necessary we're going to assume this had to do with the proposal that was given to us last meeting yes I know kind of awkward sitting there talking right in front of him bring back there but I talked to sha the tangible personal property will stay with West Fraser that's all equipment that can that's like your mobile equipment things Furniture desk all the stuff that can be what was the dollar amount on that for the city was 131,000 171 131 131 but that'll stay right he'll be on the hook for property taxes which will be 22,000 and then you know he's going to demolish some of that stuff so some of that real property will come off the property taxes I think he was worried about this big number but that's not going to be all him if any of it 69 131 131 isn't it okay either if I understand correctly the West Razer is going to move it out or he's going to take it down and move it out either way it's going to G it's it's G to go away I'm assuming right is that right the building or the a personal property I the personal property I believe that's the personal property talking about the cranes the assault the Machinery yeah that was my impression that he was he wasn't going to get much for it he said but he was long as long as it's there it's taxable yes true that's right problem I see in my mind is who's next and how do you CH big business we're going to write you a check for $150,000 that's how you'd have to do it but I got this small business you got to pay well if it was me I would not give it to anybody because if it's lucrative enough to them to come and want to buy it and go forward with it why do they need our help I mean that's just the way I think I think ATT to employment if he knew that somebody was Ming me he doesn't know anything that's he doesn't know anything about all that well you're right there that that's what I understand the personal properties one one way or another not going to be there right some I don't know when but at some point that all Tang personal property that's all equipment is probably in West rers name that's like pretty sure your list and all that kind of stuff they already star to get that stuff out of there that's not going to be his tangible personal property he's going to own the real property true which is what's the dollar amount on that the city is 22,000 22,000 these be tearing some that stuff down too that's your buildings and whatnot that'll be a lower next time around so we really don't know what if we say we're going I'm just hypothetically speaking gave him $20,000 tax abatement he tears down enough to go past 20,000 others and his tax bill could be zero yeah hypothetic speaking I really think he was worried about this big number that 427 in tangible personal property but that's not going to be his no a lot of that is ours either cities I mean 131 out of that we're about 25% of it think probably in the TR or anything they see how this thing it be yeah they see how this thing's gonna play out yeah really don't know what we're talking about yet exactly and to make a decision we're going to need no exactly what we're making a decision on we don't need to leave him hanging or he might not go through with it at all but I just don't feel like if it's if it's lucrative enough for him to invest in it why does he need our help I don't know if Sean explained to him know that works if that was the number he was worried about I don't think he'd be too worried about it he was seeing this number right but but he he will see that number if everything remained as it was they've already pulled a bunch of the that's stuff like your desk and your computers and your fork trucks and that's all the stuff that can be pulled off the property mhm they probably already got most of that off so when they assess it go go down do what we don't know exactly nobody knows where it even sits right now or where it's going to go exactly problem between him and the property she [Music] assesses question do we know the time span that was before someone really open up business to employ someone no he don't even know what he's going to do with it yet he's not going to do anything with it but clear it off and wait on the right up yeah I don't think we should do anything yet I don't SC this and someone might come in and they ready to really hire someone then we may not have the money to incentivize them just my thought so what I'm hearing is leave it as is if somebody comes in we can look at it then we got a later date to answer him we do and I would say deny his request W they were not willing to work on property taxes and these AR going to be his personal property taxes by the way John did you check he made the accusation that we had the highest taxes that he'd ever had percentage wise did you check that out I don't believe that I think I think he was confused by the tangible personal property yeah that's the number I kept hearing was a 400 and something thousand being the house you'd ever seen and such that but it's not property it's you're right it's not real property he's not buy the person proper buy the real prop or whatever tangible property does buy he's going to sell off the Pennies on the dollar to get rid of it according to what he what I heard anyway when he's saying half a million dollars worth of stuff now worth 10,000 or something that's what he get for it scrap value or whatever I make a motion we deny his request council member Browns yes Council M Hampton yes the woodf yes vice mayor Landry yes mayor K yes and I will say furthermore if I may on this subject if somebody comes to he like Miss Hampton said wants to talk about getting jobs going opening something up getting jobs going we can discuss that with them at that time we can always discuss it sure we can absolutely but for this request very June item 6G Council to discuss when to resume late fees and Council will take any action deem necessary this is on utility bills so after Helen the council said to suspend late fees and we haven't started them back up yet we just want some guidance on when we should start Lake again start in October yes we didn't give an end date to that long when did we do it October 1st would be the first bills that we out October that's four months yeah say maybe maybe two more months G two more six months okay so that would ended on what date March it with the April bill it would start back late April May that in the form of a motion and a vote anyone care to make a motion a motion that that was second council member yes council member hampon yes council member woodfall yes vice mayor mayor ker yes the agenda item six H final reading ordinance number 1047 an ordinance of the city of Perry Florida relating to the resoning of 10 or more contigous acres of land pursuant to an application Z 24-4 by the city council amending the officials on the atlas of the city of perod Land Development regulations providing for resoning from resid residential conventional single family one or rsf one to residential conventional single family 2 r or rsf2 ass certain lands within the corporate limits of the city of Perry Florida providing cability repealing our ordinances in conflict and providing for an effective date this is the last stock at the High School cor get all that approve okay motion to approve council member Bryan Yes council member Hampton yes council member wood yes vice mayor Landry yes mayor kin yes agenda item 6 I cancel to finalize appropriation request list and Council to take any action deemed necessary fire station RB have been to Dixie we went LA and Dixie County I been to a couple others myself W Cola tasse I think we're going to Lake City next week all the ones that got approved through preparations had all their plans and everything on the in mhm what we're think about doing is asking for about 300 Grand to do the the planning and design the firehouse station this time that's not ask for3 half million whatever going to be ask for a small chunk of it let them know what we're trying to work toward get all that complete find the land get the land purchased and then it'll be a better request the next C I don't want to get too fast with this and you know won't have our ducks in a row when we go Yes actually ask for it not just building together and not be what you want to [Music] plan I agree I mean we don't have like a week or two to get all this done and you won't never get the plans and all done in that time no no I agree with John about the planning and construction or woods and all four so yeah yeah J we own any land that would be appropriate for this not right off hand not that would be great for it we identified a few spots we're going talk to the land owners I think Bill got one in M too we got one or two and N but now this is what we're going to give to the to the um yeah okay ask for 300 Grand as an appropriation [Music] uhhuh pretty straightforward was asking for the price of the two garbage trucks Lobby has suggested for jaal Willow and Bishop don't ask it as Appropriations go back to do and the mcot program and the legislators are kind of over that as well he going to talk to them make sure they draw the line back a little hard gotcha so we're probably not going to put those three as an appropriation but we will he is fighting for those scores okay we are going to ask for Good's left station that's part of that this is like 1.2 million but it's part of that being $94 million 20e plan MH so get that off the list we are going to ask for water and Des automatic meters mostly fit any other Grant where you at with the um where we at with the lift station for Warner that is and Tommy St that's a rift Grant okay a separate Grant appr okay okay did you explain again about you say you're taking off Tak the three Street and go through the focus on the station yeah we're doing all these except the three streets I think that would be nice and the depot I'm waiting on like for the fire station I'm waiting on some engineering for the design and construction estimates supposed be working on that and I told him it's a like time frame I need to get back pretty quick because I've got a lot of phone calls about that Depot they don't want it to go and I totally agree it's history yeah I want to pay for I know it's a pretty good list for our first year is and you may have already said this is that based on also what he was saying about not asking for too much is that why you want take the street yeah plus you said the funding might be available elsewhere oh it's definitely available through the MC program project and um I was just wondering um because you know often you all do so much and people don't know what you're doing um because you don't have to like put a press release out but you know things that people do recognize even though they may not understand how Water Works and different things when they're stre being paid and you know legislators are also wanting to get recognized for different things I'm sure the lobbyist will help direct direct us but I know sometimes just putting in like if there's one street that won't cost as much but just like something that that the legislature will want to get out of helping us and we all know and they know that all this is also been made worse by the hurricane but I know the closing of the factory the meal and um and things that you know took away jobs um outside of the workers who will be benefiting from the ease which is also very very important is on that list is there anything that can give the legislator like an easy win to get like you know it is a kissing baby moment all of that could but I was just wondering because it's not as tangible as seeing the road you know the road being changed and stuff like that it's just a question yeah I I know they have a pretty high priority on infrastructure a lot of this stuff up to this station or infrastructure projects that they want to improve and the street rep they did just approve Park Street through any Scot these were the three they didn't approve get back on the list and talking with Cory and Jason making sure he get on there yeah I was talking to kenth D today maybe imag said they got a prove for $8 million and repaying and I only asked for that's about $ 800,000 who got approve for mil the county got a lot more I'm not surprised he does you have to look it up I don't know means it's called lap certification lap and it helps them get a lot more do grants than we can get yeah all right everybody give that list the legation is Thursday there tomorrow you still on talk planning on it yeah he's working you up some talking point is everybody everybody else gonna be there those that can said 4:30 4:30 on Thursday no coun commission room yeah so are these Jason Andy interested not these specifically but like they already know about about these okay Mark Anderson building you up some talking points make sure we hit keywords and on the Florida Channel I was watching the other day that I already had this discussion in here I do believe Kyer County were having their leg leg legislative days and they were saying how a lot of the federal money that was there before is not any longer just going to be a laner year unfortunately so a lot of stuff got frozen today I believe he did today I talked to a consulting firm I've been using today about grants we got before and she said until I think it was the 25th I think is what she said don't correct me on the date but that U sometime in February until then we won't be able to do anything with our money everything been froze yeah CBG was on there also was it wow apparently it was a pretty wide wide cast it was it got frozen infrastructure build as well they start again but it's just Frozen for right now until they can weed out some of the waste it will it will come back it's just yeah you're right exactly but they also say I think some of the B money or whatever is not going to be there anymore the what arpa money bill money there's some programs that aren't going to be available anymore or anyway y'all can look it up [Music] all right any more discussion on this now we'll go with agenda item 6j approval of the minutes for December 16th 2024 special session and January 14 2025 regular session um there is one item agenda nine that I would like to and actually I was trying V the language n with the city attorney report on the December December sorry I'm just trying to figure out which we got 16 special session and then um 14 no okay but I miss asking I for one there's two on so it's not on the special meeting it's asking for okay sorry I'm sorry were you just asking if there's anything regarding minutes yeah we're just asking for to appr of the approve approve of the minutes for the December 16 2024 special session in January 14th 2025 regular session okay um I'm referring to the January 14th regular session agenda agenda agenda item C [Music] attorne that city manager meet the city CC members individually outside the public meeting to City bu however in the pr I was taking issue that I don't want it to be is um the city manager cannot as asaz for the council members by sharing their thoughts or information with the rest of the council so it's not that so what I I'm trying to figure out how to change it or just send you this um what I read but um you said attorney Demps also stated what a city manager or non-elected officials cannot do is to act as a third party the aison to talk to individual members to share information to come up with a pre-t toal of everybody's support outside of meeting building um and I said cannot talk to individual members canot talk the individual members everything I was fine by sharing the thoughts and or information with the rest of the council so in other words it sounds like almost the same he could be making a decision based on like agenda the agenda and putting stuff on the agenda is his is his delegate is one of the things he's delegated to do when he's talking to say um Mr Kine Kine for whatever reason and he gets whatever he wants and not say say um changing I don't know changing the time for the meeting he's not supposed to say well you know what with if it's never been discussed especially oh well I talked to Bita and she said that she like I'm sorry to call you by your first you're fine baby and she said she'll do it like he cannot basically he can't be the the voice if council member woodf can't talk to council member or mayor katering without it being in a public meeting he can't all of a sudden be the liaison of council member wood clock to inform coun mayor kering and then a decision is made yeah it was not that he can't talk to them or because every time you talk to anybody you're going to get some type of information but he cannot or he's not supposed to and there are exceptions because that you can't have a subcommittee to negotiate contracts he can't become wood Fox Lon to be informing him of something that should have been in a meeting so that's why I thought maybe send so if um my suggestion can okay to act as a third party liaison to talk to individual members to share the thoughts and information with the rest of the Council of the member I just need to add the thoughts between share and information is that correct wow maybe I okay to share the thoughts right to share the share the information from an individual is basically can't that person cannot share the information to the other City Council Members okay if he's talking to the council that may make it clear that's I mean get the edit correct so third part on between individual members can I do is to talk to act as a third party B on between individual members okay basically basically just can't act as a goet all it boils down to I mean that's all that's all you're saying what other members say I'm information any man I know I'm putting in plain language that's what it is yeah I just want to say that it wasn't not the idea about just sharing any information was about sharing okay so can I read off what the edit will be if they so that they hear how I would change it i' like to hear it yeah after all that I think we need to yeah yeah before we vote on it okay y'all help me on this because I okay so starting at the top of that sentence it'll say Attorney D also stated that what a city manager or non elected official cannot do is act as a third party liaison between individual members to share information to come up with a free total of everybody's support outside of a public meeting is that correct is that how you're sounds correct to me yeah motion to amend all we needed was the can is that an amend and approve or just amend we have to do both have a second on the we have a second on the amended we have a second on the amendment second R call please ma'am council member Brian yes council member Hampton yes council member yes vice mayor andry yes mayor K yes and we still got to approve the minutes come back sir come back got REM okay we got two different sets here just wanted to wait yeah we got the December minutes too motion DEC are correct as it right y approve them as they are correct yes okay council member Brian yes counc member hon council member wood yes vice mayor Landry yes mayor k yes city manager asked the counil I thought you asked me as if I had to work with the Council on at all or if I I was confus the way you asked me I had worked with the councel I did not C each person so I answered yes I thought you asking if I acted on my own with what I did ask I did not but I did work with the what this was couple minutes ago about the lobby I believe lob think I coun yeah and I thought you as me if I if I did that on my own I didn't I had work let's don't change [Music] that y remember when we did that work on Cherry Street reced it last week for and it seems that theair we made holding up pretty good is that an icicle hanging down know what you'll see down there exactly is that the [Music] Su that's why I'm not eating looks pretty good I how bad all right we agree pretty good for sewer L yeah okay thank you thank you thank you right got anything else Miss D oh I'm sorry that's the first time I've called your name well good quick meeting um I just wanted I'm glad that came up time up okay thanks time but please do not be afraid to come to the meeting with the legislators because I know you always have to ask yourself if you're talking outside of the public meetings like make sure I keep my conversations um specific to whatever you're there for that you know but that's hard to do when you already agree to the Appropriations so I just want cuz I do think that um and I did say last time that I would start like doing like tibits on different parts of the law just responses that way we can um sort of pre I'll start being more um careful and thinking about what they made need to think of at this moment so that was a good I'm glad got to do the stupid example because just saying polling tallying whatever words have consequences and um so I would just encourage everyone to come and the Appropriations you already agreed to you're not making any business decisions which is what Sunshine laws avoiding so you can talk about the Appropriations that you all are agree to so I just want to note that because I know often out of abundance of caution you may prefer to not say anything to other than hello and yes what we need to the third parties um the legislative people there as well as the um the lobbyist but um please come so that's my sunshine I have more thank you question absolutely well we're going to rewrite the Boys and Girls Club I was going to talk about that but I was like okay I was gonna bring you okay okay I'll wait and let you do go ahead you well and um in light of what I just shared um I going back through the last three meetings because it just seemed like increasingly I heard words like we're doing something illegal or violation um and to also make not just um sparring over righteousness or something but to make sure our records are clear there were a couple of um things that I want to suggest but I have um the contract the most recent contract with boys and girls club that has no condition or no language about Capital Improvements that was gone in 2017 was that the last one but the prior agreement from the 1990s actually had language in there that didn't say the city holds money but at least talked about the city paying for Capital Improvements but there was not like a quick pro quo but I I do believe based on other things that I've observed since I've been here there seemed to be an active replay when the boys and girls club came up how they cannot buy things and so even in their rental um their rental price that may be a little bit higher than market value or not um is also in contemplation there may be requests regarding Capital Improvement um I also interviewed Miss petering and I'm trying to get um more um clarity through our prior City attorney Ray ctis and I've not been able to get on his calendar but I should be by the next meeting time um and just to see what was contemplated at the time because there was a clear change right um but I do believe when I first started because um our chief of police you know um was doing a great job U or when I they first started first started coming to meetings before I was a part of it um and then I was on the board with boys and girls club I know things have been said not like oh this money for us but we're paying this cuz we can't buy something so that's the context I've heard things um and last week's meeting that I understood outside of us trying to clear where the B came from was that um that the executive director does knows it like whatever is requested it can be um it can be denied just like any other renter of any other property but um there has seemingly been sort of a unspoken expectation that because of all the rent that there is something that's covered um and so I just wanted to find out not only because no longer that's in the contract um the law provides he's looking be the law provides that there is exceptions regarding um the actions that could sound like leasehold Capital Improvements and Things based on rent for certain organizations that rent from the government and and one big one is things that is considered for public good um Charities but still because it's a nonprofit renting from a from a government so the tax implications and I don't know Gap principles but the tax implications are different which is why I imagine that things can be done um but whatever it is because um you are the council can renegotiate anything there's nothing we owe them nothing um we I don't care if they've given a million dollars they they were renting and there's no obligation either in writing um that makes that the case um although there's nothing at least for my preliminary research without conferring with Mr Curtis to see if that's why the agreements changed between the '90s and 2017 um but according to what I've seen that a nonprofit or something that the council believes is of good public use there can be it may not be label like a whole of my money but an expectation like a landlord tenant that you can have certain things covered over what is covered over what um like any other landlord tenant situation the landlord tenant situation like if something happens you're going to fix our paint you're going to do this and based on the negotiation it can also include things that with a non-commercial nonprofit would be like Capital Improvements maybe that's the wrong word to use the expectation is that um some much can be given but I would so to answer the original question yes I've been looking at both a contract and we can always renegotiate but there's nothing both by contract or from what I understand the um the executive de director in cing I'm sorry I'm so tired my words are come in Emory um Emily um catering said is there's no expectation from the boys and girls club that when they ask something they get it because we were holding on to our money to do it um and so and yes renegotiating be probably good particularly to make that clear it may need be added to say this does not if that sort of like a concern or need to be clear that that's not the expectation or that that's not the intention um since there seems to be confusion but I but the idea renegotiating needs to happen regardless it does because apparently sort of like some of the policies you all were working on when I first came on was a lot of old policies that no longer no long it really depended on the historical nature of the people sitting there like oh yeah we haven't done that in 10 years but yet in practicality it's happening um yes um I'm sorry so I do look forward to both changing if you all want it's still your decision changing um the contract contract of renegotiating and secondly that if there is some implication that Capital Improvements is something you all still want to have like or to make that also materialized then you know we need to do that in writing but if you're fine with the way it is with the expectation that there's no hold over I think it's good practically to know what they're giving um that there's no practical hold over then you know you can keep things as is but um so and I know I I was telling you I was sending you a memo about that L late yesterday um but I just didn't get around to it I had two plan emergencies today um I I did say I want to start doing stal um and there was one thing I didn't expect to discuss it I just want to throw it out so that next meeting we can discuss it is if there what I was looking at um basically some of the things even just the idea of how things run um that I think one way we can improve our Communications and intentions is possibly adopt a more casual but maybe adopt some type of Rule of Order when it comes to our process um I wouldn't say hady Rogers rules and you don't have to choose it by now the charter says just you know you know you know you work basically decently in an order with no particular procedure but even the idea of like if you have an injection or and we do pretty good but there's sometimes I'm like I wonder if we went by something more like Robert R order on an agenda item you let the person present then you have a open discussion and then you call for a vote so we don't have calls for vote and another council member has a question and it just seems like too much difficulty but I just you know and I I love Creative laser fair but when um it shows that it may not be helping um as much to not have it then everyone feels hurt I know I've been here when somebody closed for a vote and um council member Hampton's voice being softer she had a question and I just saw the frustration because no one can hear you is already done um and so I think that would help with Communications a little a little bit better so um I'm putting that out there where I'll have a more formal presentation next time um so those are three things on top I wanted to talk about the boys and girls club and um to address some of the questions that come up in the last three meetings that's sort of left it out there even was place in the newspaper um which is everyone's right um because the end of the day this is America you have a First Amendment right but if it leaves a question of law out there I think I'm doing the Injustice to not at least try to address it not necessarily try to get into it like in any way and I apologize if anything I said is personal or and I'm really trying to work outside of my person because that's not the job of an attorney but when I have things and I did address some things because also I'm a public servant so when people say something that um that touches on that I going to cover myself like you know this um yeah I have to um because if you say for instance and you know there's no animosity in this but you know someone is needs to go back to law school that is not only against I think ethics but it's against the term of my contract um that I actually included because my I don't work here fulltime my business is literally impacted when there's a question that's made public and and then also I just think it's not a good time to start disparaging your leaders even your mayor when you're asking the State of Florida to deposit so much money you to talking about Google you Google my name I can't afford to have an accusation that are over the fraud not even the personal Jabs but when the state legisl see why I was going to like just wait and talk later the state legislators are looking at what's written in the paper about it yeah so both it's been like a good push to like well let me do my diligence and trying to make order out of things that could hurt us in the future and I love Perry I know y'all love Perry and we want them to be like we're excited that's a great place to put businesses to raise children but I'm not going to give 300 whatever, to a counsil that looks like they their attorney is incompetent they don't know how to talk to each other their people don't respect them at Podium I mean we worry about cleaning up Butler partway we need to worry about and I think the lobby is going to really help form Us in that our PR is what sells I mean we can have just like it was some to me shown in the last election and I'm really saying this to try not to make a point as much as to have us really think about it you heard one group of people like oh the economy is the best economy you ever heard and then you had other people like excuse me my eggs are expensive I don't think dogs you know what the stat say when we want people to say in the legislature we talk to this great lobbyist um there are people for them blah blah blah it's just a great little town great heart and they Google and they see and hear only bad things which is not true you guys have done a wonderful job is not true um but I say all that to say the more I can help with Communications and also hear what you're saying and take it that it's not just a personal Point like whatever it is I need to do work to try to make it clearer or address it um then I want to do that because I I want to help alleviate anything that could look like we're incompetent when often is just a lack of information at ahead of time misunderstandings you know trying to interpret passion from personal attacks so those three those three things I'll discuss further um in our next meeting which is why I was like oh I don't have anything um because I knew whatever I was going to share wasn't going to be a quick share and it's not even going to be a long share but I just didn't want to at this time get into something that way SP so I'm not trying to close any discussion but maybe I should just be asked if we place on the agenda um for next week um outside of just attorney's report thank you Carly um I've been working on the capital Outlet policy and I'll bring that back when I feel like I have it written how I want it and I think we're kind of taking a look at the purchasing manual while we're at it so we can bring it all back at one time because purchasing manual hasn't been updated since 97 I believe yeah so it's really old um and I also got an update from our new Financial system today that they are expecting officials back again um they're at this point they're thinking March no fall of our we're ready to go and they're ready and I'm so ready to go I'm over it but they're not they're not budging gotcha thank you Jamie nothing Andrew John okay city council one thing banners I am working on it right now actually is it's down well I I actually have asked the our FEA consultant because Penny was working for Highway 19 and also for downtown and I'm not sure if our money covers both so I have a question with our FEMA consultant so let me know does the money cover both I know it covers downtown so we have to ask FEMA but don't we don't have to but I was just asking them to know if we have to pull it out of our bank account or if it's going to be reimbursed so we're looking at M probably not even 7,000 I mean the the on down [Music] expensive and Highway 19 I think it's like 72 banners and it's $227,000 what $27,000 I counted was 36 18 that's what theot was I don't know I haven't got and counted I just was working off the quote that it was you know how are you talking about just 19 yes she's I'm talking about both down okay they're looped in together on the cloes the ones downtown are more expensive oh and I love them I hope you're not going to change are you planning on changing what are you going to do Jen trying to get some ideas yeah we're try we're trying to do some lockups with the company could you that do include any brackets the banners and pills all busted downtown area and the Gateway into do we need a motion on that or you got it okay that's all Landry um I'm still seeing a lot of street name signs that are pedy west or missing or whatever how we coming on that as we can we're working on them I mean it's you know we have garbage trash and all the street clean up that we're having to do all though but they are doing them but we straightened up a majority of he come so now it's start over [Music] we don't necessarily need new ones they just need new ones we still have new ones that have to be put up it's just gonna take a lot of time like everything else okay thank you I just wait for Hope to come back anything you like to ask basically the the contract itself and we need quote on what how much is being paid where the money is going and what's to be done so the money thing definitely would be based on her I know what yeah okay yeah I thought she gave us that last time I gave it we had a $6,000 quote and then we had a eight was a 85 $100 quote Yeah so we we were never and then we had no signatures for month they had recently last year updated up to 88500 I'm there's no written contract that's what I'm saying we need all them what I understand it was a verbal thing between Penny and they just they decided to up it for whatever reason they bumped it back down to like when I H over it's $6,000 now got gotcha I read some of it I'm just trying to clean up I know baby you are and that's something that it shouldn't have never happened I know ask what you whatever conerns are I kind of realized that was one of the questions after and I didn't realize in the meeting that that's what you you all were yes yes I think John wanted to make changes for the agreement as well I don't have agreement at all have one I agree John yes that's too many years of lost money that we don't even know where it went what was done with it no one can go back on paperwork and say this what it was done what was done with it this the thir we know I know you also want as much as possible a total sum of what they've spent in rent okay well again I just want to make sure way your concerns it was really confusing yes about a bid and then like all the things and I'm like let me know specifically what you're W to also give so we can I'm loving the road that you're going down and then go back to the Roberts rules I don't think this Council would do good with Roberts rules that's why I say it'll be a it definitely help keep things in order people trying to keep the minutes Super One you know how you play Monopoly but not really by the rules so it may just be very simple not like you have to say point of order I redeem my time no we're not Congress but and they struggle with it yes but keep that in mind you like y that formality won't work here may maybe you know the Perry Council rules thank you I just do this Miss Happ thank you okay Mr bran you only thing I've got I want to announce is U former City attorney Izzy rhus passed away yeah a few days ago Izzy ramas he was our attorney a City attorney here many years for a long time and if you remember his wife just passed away just a few weeks ago Linda did and just yeah so anyway ma'am when did you serve the 90 the 90 80s 90s he was here a good long time though a City attorney also yes yeah I mean he was retired as a they're have Colonel Lieutenant Colonel okay they're going to have a military service sometime in February okay then I just want to let everybody know that thank you for mentioning any nothing else I think she did have something that she was trying to continue with and she raised her fingers I'm saying that is because I've seen her her expression we were we were on boys and girls budget us so no it's there the way the way that explained it to me was that she said to put a revenue line of what they pay in and an expense line of what they pay out in thato [Music] that Bally what they is is what the expense it wasn't we want to do this this and this and that's where I got that what what expens we can change that next year if y wish that was just how it been I guess just put much she might have put all right any want anything all right thank you is that it is that it