a lot of work. That was a lot of work. We'll call the August 26, 2025 city council meeting to order. Remind everybody to silence your cell phones. Miss Adler's going to lead us in prayer and followed by the pledge of
allegiance. >> Dear heavenly father, thank you for this day. Thank you for everything you give us. I pray that you give everyone a good day. Help us to have self control and help everyone make us
Amen. >> One nation liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Mr. Alen. I appreciate that prayer. It's a really good one. >> Yes, it will. >> We'd all be well advised to listen to it. >> Okay. Roll call, please. Ma'am,
>> Council Member Bri, >> here. >> Council member Hans. Council member Lufall >> here. >> Vice Mayor Landrew >> here. >> Mayor Ket >> here. Approval of items on the consent agenda. Approval to read by title only.
Resolution 2025-18 and resolution 2025-9. Have a motion. >> Motion. >> Council member Bry. >> Yes. >> Council member Hampton. >> Yes. Council Mullet. >> Yes.
>> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes. Mayor Ket. >> Yes. Receiving requests from the general public. Do we have anyone in the general public who is going to speak on anything not on the agenda? >> You're on the agenda.
>> Okay. >> Not yet. If you're on the agenda, you don't. >> They just This is open mic time. Is anybody not on the agenda want to speak or have anything for the council hearing? No one, we'll move on to number five, bids and RFQS. And we don't have
any. All right. Then moving on to number six. Agenda item. >> I'd like to speak of the six B. >> Okay. Well, is I see agenda on 6A. Is that still
going to >> just just >> whatever I may >> 6B River probably has a policy to abandon Wales and I would call them
the city of Perry has a policy in place to abandon city property. What the city also has a well compensated administrator who need to do his job.
That's not this council's job. It's not your job. It's not anybody's job. It's his job. And if he can't carry through, he needs to do something else.
Are we talking about >> Are we talking about agenda item 6B now? Which which handle are you on? >> B. Okay. >> You're talking about the whale. Okay. >> 6B. >> Okay.
The policy which he has not this is not something new. We spent a long time going over all these policies and getting them in place and everybody agreed.
If you don't follow the policy, you get into a mess like we are now. And all you got to do to fix this mess is follow the policy. You don't need a new policy.
Follow the one you got. Okay. >> Are you speaking to 6B or to resolution 19? >> 6B. >> 6B. >> I know that's what he says, but that's what I meant.
We've already done the whale part. >> We've abandoned the well. >> We have not. >> We have. That's what I thought. You reported that last week. Last time. >> Yeah. The whales already a mute issue.
>> Well, I'm trying to get it, Bill. There steps one, two, to abandon property. Then you go to step number three, which is an ordinance read
by title only first time. Step number four, you read it, you take public hearing, and it's done. and three and four were just put on the shelf and it's not the first time that's
happened. >> Well, the well was reported to be abandoned at the last meeting. Water department. >> Oh, I understand that. >> Okay. >> This should have been done months ago. If step three and step four was done,
would you like to speak on this? >> Yeah. >> First of all, >> come on up. >> I'm back up a second. First of all, I want to thank John Hart, Danielle,
Jamie, Bruce Griffin. Um, as you know, we bought along with another guy, we bought the uh junkyard and uh it's a mess and um we have worked diligently with them to
try to clean it up. As today, we've already cleaned up probably in excess of 2,000 tires. I don't know how it got to where it got because the community next door it's amazing they weren't just inundated with
the mosquitoes and everything. So going to move forward a little bit. Um of course we're we're the ones that have asked for um the property that
where the well is sitting to to be sold to us. And the main our main purpose and it's in the letter that you you received. The main purpose was so we could have access to city water, sewer,
and gas. And it comes off of Saxton Street. Um the main thing we ask is that we're afforded the same courtesy that those before us were afforded. And
I gave you examples of the properties that have been sold in the last few years and and how they've proceeded to do that. Um I don't think I'm any better than them. I don't think I'm any worse than them. I think I'm equal to them and
would like to be treated the same way. Um it's my understanding that whatever policy was in place that we did notify the adjacent land owners. Um, and I think there's certain time frames.
>> And once that was done, I talked with Mr. Hart. He said, "How do I want to proceed?" I said, "Well, I want to proceed to, you know, you if there's any way that we can purchase it if it's abandoned to let us do that with the understanding that um at some point
we're going to develop that property. We own the junky chart, which we're the process of cleaning up. We own >> and thank you for that. >> Well, it's a story. >> Yeah, >> we own the book >> which we, you know, when we bought it, I
don't know if everybody remembers how it was. >> Um, the doors were kicked in. >> I want to say they were dealing drugs and everything else out of the bookmark. Um, we made it where we can rent
businesses at a at a fair amount. The rooms Recently we had the opportunity to buy the old KFC. You know that was a squatter's haven >> right next to was it Coxwell Wilson Bon
T. So we we talked with John Jamie Bruce and we all they they preferred that we tear it down. That's exactly what we do. You know, we we we feel like that we're
not in this by ourselves. Yeah, we stand a profit, but we're in this to make the city look a little bit better. I think you each agree that it all looked terrible. So, that's one reason we we went to the city
to see what we could do as far as getting getting that easement. And quite frankly, if you don't want to sell it, fine. We're okay with that. But what we're asking is number one, you do the same
courtesy to it that we're doing to the other properties. You cleaned it up because it looks like pink. Number two, we ask that you just grant us a perpetual for city water and gas so that when we get ready to do something with any of
those back properties that that we have access to. Now the advantage is if you sell it of course there will be a taxable value of it. Um it will allow us to put city water
and gas to those properties which the city will ultimately get revenue off of. So this this isn't something we're trying to take from anybody. We're trying to do the right thing. And that's one reason we we feel like that the
process has been gone through and that we ask you know one of those two things decide to let us move forward and purchase it because every all the notices have been done or give us a perpetual easement for for utilities
questions for me. >> Pretty simple. it is pay anyway. >> It can only benefit all of us. >> It's it's nothing. >> There's no slide of hand here. >> We we don't we don't have anybody in
mind for the properties yet. Um but why would you want to buy something that has looked like the junkyard has looked like for I know 50 years because I' I've been here 50 years
and I can't remember not being there. I'm 16 >> and and and why and I'm not here thresh but why some wasn't done prior to prior to this is something
>> thank you >> my question is why is there not a first reading of the ordinance on this agenda twice So finally got back showing up value of the land only
if it weren't you $67,200 >> that piece of property is worth that much sit on Jefferson It's8 acres. You look at this 2.75 acres where the boulevard is
the land value is 264. So about 100 grand an acre. >> That's that's right. >> I agree with you. >> Yes. I saw that number. I was kind of shocked. >> I am too actually. >> Look at the house right across the road
from the whole house and everything. So one true story >> 82,000 acres land value 800 bucks I mean there's no doubt it's going to be worth more all contious but right now
sitting the way it sits I don't way land prices have been going it's been surprising me a little website is 300 value put the city on the
You go with the last year every time we can't agree on the price. >> So, property appraiser says three. >> Property appraiser website says three because city care about value. We're not paying tax. >> What would it be if it was private hel,200
ship? That's the same thing we did with Martines. They sell it for like what 17,000 property appraisers show like 1,000 2,000. Once we asked her would it be worth if a private citizen it went to 17,000 she got the land across the road
was worth policy says you would anything over 20 grand you would get a certified appraisal. >> Guess there wouldn't be any harm in doing that. Just that tell you for sure what's going on. >> Is that that's not the policy we've been going by? Is it?
>> You haven't voted on saying that's not one we voted on. >> Our policy said y'all come up with a price we won't sell it for less than fair market value >> or what property appraiser says. currently tell you how you come up with fair market value. I believe
what about the others that they were they were by the property >> according to the policy that's what we going by the assess right they were what they would have been owned by private
citizens resolution 202. >> Oh, that's the one you're doing. The one that was passed in 2024 as a resolution said the same should be sold to say a private person or entity at no less than
the value assessed by the property. >> What the property on both sides of it go for? But I do understand I do understand there's road frontage. I get that. Maybe take an average of the area.
>> Well, that's 400 which which is how many acres? 3.1. So 132 40 grand. That
would be 32 grand frontage. I used to be able to come up with a pretty good idea what land was worth, but now everything's changed so much. >> Well, it says as it says by the office
of property appraiser. So, if the assessment is based on property appraisers website, you would have an argument. >> That's what I'm saying. >> I mean, it doesn't say by that there has to be a new appraisal
>> or just football. I looking at that, that's actually what I had offered Mr. >> Hart >> the day and he said, "Well, let's look up the assessed value." >> Because that's what I was in under the impression of we were going by whatever
the appraiser. We're still going to have to clean up the property. I'm >> sure y'all got estimates on other properties to clean up. >> Yeah. tear the well, tear the building down. >> There's still trees actually from the
storm on Saxton, I think. M. Have you ridden down that road? >> Yes. >> There's still debris on that road that has not been removed that we did not put. I want to give you my reason
for letting it go for $3,000 because to me it's a partnership. He's clearing up all of this land and it's going to benefit the city of Kerry, bringing jobs in that area that has been
looking like that probably for 30 years maybe not right up now. But that that is how I would look at it and let it go over $3,000. Look at it as a partnership. Daniel, you only sent letters.
>> He had a few there as a whole through it. >> You only sent letters out. Nobody else had any interest in it. >> Yeah, we Oh, hold. We don't have that small clause in there stating that if it was owned by priv private property, it
would be this in that. >> No, >> resolution. It's It's broad. Is it >> very broad? I believe the resolution that um Mr. Hart is bringing forth makes it more detailed and maybe tried to address when I went back to listen to
last meeting. There were so many different >> points that were being made. It wasn't clear if it was only just the idea of it being surplus or the idea of the cost, but is broadly stated as now assessed by the Office of Property.
No less. >> No less. >> No less. It doesn't say no less, >> right? >> So if we adhere heed to that policy, we won't be doing anything. If you adhere to that policy, I guess
the argument can be made is this value what the office of property appraiser has on the website which we have been using. >> That's what I'm saying. >> Has there ever been a request for a special survey or reappraisal? >> And um Mr. Hart asked how much would a
private person owning it may be assessed to. That's not currently the status of the property. It's owned by the city. So I would argue that as long as it's an assessed value that's no less than what has been noted in their records as the
value of the property has become that you have the ability to charge that or or more. >> Okay. >> No less than. >> Gotcha. will be the pleasure of the council. Anybody care to make a motion? >> Is there any other discussion?
>> Well, I guess my question is if we sell it, are we selling it under the old the existing policy or are we going to do something with this policy that's presented tonight and go by it? I don't think that would be right.
I don't think that would be right. >> We haven't gotten to that policy >> because we haven't got to that policy yet. So, that would make him have to go all the way back through the the the process and having to pay more money. No, I don't I won't agree with that. >> We currently have a out there.
>> I'm not suggesting that we do. I'm just trying to be clear here that we don't >> it's a seems like a gray area to me. >> Well, because you haven't voted no presentation resolution. The one that's in place is
the one that's in place now. >> We sold a rideway not too long ago for how much? I can't remember. Mm-m. >> This isn't even a roadaway. It's just a abandoned whale site. >> Still
1.06 acres to Martin for 15,000 and 2500 >> 25. And we used the appraisal that you did. Yeah. >> The appraisal while we open it was $1,000 after we asked for it was a
private assistant. It went to 15. I meant to say that it was good by with so you can have it >> is not >> we need something. I don't think we need to do Cal Han. >> We sure don't.
>> We not. >> I mean, I'll entertain a motion from someone >> that we sell him the property for 27 67. What did it say? >> She said 67. Council always whatever they want.
That's our next project. Do something with the sound system. One of our next projects. If I may add, um, in listening to the last two meetings where you all were talking about this, it seems that there was a lot of consideration by the
council as to what the city may be responsible if they continue to maintain the property and the cost to clean it up. Um, if if we held the city by the same standards as maybe other private citizens. Um, and we have the right or
the city council has a right to create a policy. The policy is a resolution to give people an opportunity to see how you come about making your decisions, but it's not an ordinance. It's a resolution. Um, in looking up the attorney general's information under
Florida law, government units have discretion to classify property as surplus if it's obsolete, uneconomical to maintain, or serves no useful function. I think the last meeting there was an unuseful function as a description. And in in the resolution
that you have currently that was changed in 2024, when I say change updated, it describes within keeping a Florida law that no longer needed for municipal purposes. So basically disposition method for surplus
property is up to the municipalities governing body which must act in good faith and in the best interest of the city. So, um, as long as in compliance, well, your desire in creating those the policy manuals for people to have an
idea of what is expected and trying to clean up how decisions are made. I feel like you're well within your rights um given what you've intended to give citizens opportunity to know how you make decisions to determine um reasons
why you would go higher than the assessed value or lower or more. Um I know with the property although this was not in discussion with my team property the property in that case may have dealt with other types of things or not other types of things that
would make 13,000 reasonable to the council but as long as you believe that it's in the best interest and done in good pay and no less than the assessed value by the office of property appraising. So, >> are we talking about 2519?
>> No, that's the new that's the new resolution. When I say the new is the proposed resolution that Mr. Harts put forth. I was I was basing it on the resolution that stands. >> I realize the council's got the right to change,
but they don't morally have the right to change in the midstream. And that's what I think you're trying to do. >> All you all we need to do is follow the policy that was in place when this
started and we should have had a ordinance first reading on this agenda. Well, >> we got to come up with a price to get a first ordinance. So, what that's what we're trying to do now. So, does anybody care to make a motion
with a price to set sell this thing? >> That's all they've done. >> What's the price then? >> No, you got to have the ordinance. >> Everything else has been done. >> So, Mr. Bill, you saying we should sell
it at the three >> whatever property appraiser said it was. Yes. >> Okay. Great. >> Anybody care to make a motion? >> Because that's how the policy is really the one we have in place right now.
>> Well, hammer followed the policy that was in place when this started. >> I make a motion that we follow motion. >> Okay. And I'll second it. >> But that's not what you did last.
What's your what's your motion to follow the policy that was in place when this process started >> which assessment >> that's why I think they were asking >> that's what yeah >> which assessment are the assessment
that's the question again going back to price what assessment are you accepting >> okay >> so so I'm sorry. I just need the councilman to answer real quick then if there's any more questions because I know a lot of people are talking. I just want to make
sure I'm understanding what the council. >> Can we see the letter from property and projects for the night? Whatever you 67 How many acres is it? >> It's not even an acre. >> Just verifying
the field. Once again, >> we're talking almost 80,000 acres. It doesn't really matter what it's worth. That one value >> meaning
the value of the land. >> It's untaxed properties. They don't really >> Okay. Be clear because that that is from the office of appraisers. So the idea that what received was 67500 is how much it would be appraised for if it was
owned by private >> private property. Right. So you all that's That may be a little consequences to your decision or not, but that is a >> question. Cal, is that what you told
John you would agree to? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's before we even looked at what it was assessed at. >> Okay. on on the property. I I thought we had a motion from >> We do have a motion from Bill that we
follow the policy. >> Motion from Miss for $3,000 to sell it. So, I'm a little confused. >> You make a motion on that? >> Yep. >> $3,000. My thing is the money he's putting into
this property. >> Well, the policy doesn't come. >> Okay. if you want you want to come up with a prize. Well, >> and and that doesn't include having to tear all that stuff that's there down. >> That does come with an expense.
>> This is so the policy says we'll sell it for the appraised value from the property appraisers's office and she said it was 67,200. Then that's what we need to sell it for. >> That's following the policy.
If it's privately owned, >> it's privately owned and it's sellable. >> Is that the privately owned price? >> The 67. >> How do we know? >> If this property is in private hands, how much would it take to get it sellable?
Wild guess 25 to 30 based on what I'm doing on the other property. We got back about how much you got in nine grand doing the whale. What about nine grand plus the three
grand? Meet in the middle. Well, it's not exactly the middle, but >> how about since you have to incur that cost anyway? What about 53 grand. And
that's me paying for half of the 12. >> All right. No, I'm not the parliamentarian for the council, but you have motions standing that need to be dealt with. >> Yeah, we've got two mo we got two motions need to be gotten off the table one way or the other. >> I second that Bill's motion that we
follow the policy. Do y'all want to vote on that? >> Any other discussion? I was a vote. follow the policy >> which is ridiculous. We shouldn't have to vote on that.
>> Yes. >> Council member Hampton. >> Yes. >> Council member Woodall. >> Yes. >> Landry. >> Yes. >> Mayor Ted. >> Yes. Now then we move to follow our policy we have in place right now. We still got to
come up with a price. We still have a motion by Miss Woodfall 3000. I don't know if there was a second or not, but that still needs to be dealt with because it is a motion. >> I was needs to be dealt with where it dies without a second before you. >> Do we have a second on that motion from
Miss Woodfall for 30,000? >> Let's have a then. >> Yes. >> Yes. What's What is the >> the motion is to sell it for $3,000 by the property appraiser?
>> It's one of them. >> No less than the property appraiser. >> The property appraiser says $3,000 on their side. That what y'all go by? That's been a lot of this discussion. wants to go back. >> Be honest. This has been some of the
confusion last meeting because we have another parcel that's in the same predicament. We never >> This needs to stop. >> It does. >> So, this should have been taken care of a long time ago when we kept running
into this. I how big the value the offer I guess hit where it was he asked me what I would like to pay for Mr. Brian's co and I'm and I told him I
paid $3,000 considering I got to tear everything down and we'll have several dollars in expenses. He and then Mr. heart said, "Well, we have to follow, you know, what they have, what Shauna
has." We looked it up and and it was $3,000 to to both of our surprise. Isn't that right, Mr. Hart? >> Yes. That's why we went to >> Can y'all sell it for the 67 minus cost
of rehab? >> No, it's not because if you >> because >> we have we have we have a motion on the table. Do we have a second? M second it. Now we're roll. >> Okay. >> Mr. Rimes at what?
>> $3,000. >> Yes. >> Council member Hampton. >> Yes. >> Council member Woodall. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes. >> Mayor Ted. >> Yes. >> All right.
>> We're going to do an ordinance. First reading and second reading. >> Okay. You may >> listen guys, we we'll make you guys proud.
I know this was a bone of contention, but I'm telling you, just like the other properties, still do the right thing for the city and and it won't make nobody look bad on this deal. I promise you that.
>> Y'all remember what I said. >> All right. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. Agenda item 6A. >> I understand. What about agenda item 6 Amber?
>> All right. We're going to move ag move we're going skip the agenda item 6G public hearing community development block grant. a public hearing to receive citizens views concerning a proposed grant application that will request funding to address
infrastructure repairs and improvements that are needed as a result of the 2023 2024 storms which include Hurricane Adelia, Hurricane Debbie, and Hurricane Helen. The grant application deadline is
September 29th, 2025. who would like to speak on this? Hello. >> I've had some relationships on and through the process of different types of applications, but it's first time I've actually been able to meet you guys. And so, I'm Mary Gavin. I am a
retired USDA director just kind of background about myself and then I work with CAP uh with providing free technical assistance communities um you know with application devel
one of the applications city of Perry is entertaining um and I was considering applying for like what said is CDBG uh recover. And so
commerce has about $400 million statewide uh for rural infrastructure funding type projects and uh you know the city of Perry has a lot of needs, a lot of disaster needs. And so, uh, with
that funding, uh, you know, the proposed, uh, projects are going to be broken up into like five different categories. And within those categories and I think you guys have a handout, you've got probably a couple handouts, but one of the handouts which is
encompasses all the infrastructure that you needs that you have that include you know water and waste water related. is uh the uh wastewater treatment facility race disposal reuse uh system parking drinking water source treatment
improvements uh citywide sanitary collection and drinking water distribution system we have and then the wastewater conveyance lift station which includes about 11 critical lift stations. Um after getting you know
having some uh conversations uh you know with the city staff and then um with the engineers and with commerce uh there's this handout right here which is the uh the recommended process and it's you
know pretty much what's identified and in the ads the one and then also the as part of that agenda and so Um the reason why uh one of one of the things that
we're going to do is we're going to uh have to separate the applications um not just by category uh but because there's there's such a big dollar amount you know that the city of Perry needs uh we're going to submit several
applications so that hopefully you know a few of them stick you know and get awarded. you know we submitted you know all uh the projects will get one application may not make any money at all. So uh the purpose in doing multiple applications for us is uh so that uh
hopefully you know some you know if if they award you know 20 to $40 million you know and whatever they feel like that critical need critical need is then uh you know we can get some disaster recovery funding. So uh so the
recommended projects you know you know this little handout right here you know are the list stations uh the waste treatment uh facility the digtor um you got the uh wastewater treatment um
improvements which is you know I think about $12 million um Temple Creek one that's 9 million so you can see these dollar amounts are you know kind of you good size projects that you know have a
good chance of getting funding. Um we've got the the only thing that uh may have been you know listed originally in all the water and sewer projects are uh some u I think distribution lines that are
est asbesus and uh CDBG folks kind of want you to kind of stay away from those type of projects just because they're environmental concerns and uh you know uh and and they're just more of a difficult project to get funded. Um so
um that's kind of what the recommended projects are. This next page is the location, you know, projects themselves like a dollar amount. Uh and then uh one other thing that I
wanted to mention is that the city of Perry uh applied for a fire station and it did not get funded or it did not get awarded. And so I thought that you know that that might be a good project to add as uh you know one of the applications
you know separate that out. I think it was around $6 million and it was under the CBDG regular program and you know they just didn't fund a whole lot of projects and I think the highest dollar amount I saw that was awarded was around 5.9 and six.
So, >> yeah, there wasn't a whole lot of money there and um and I don't know. I mean, scored really high as far as the application uh goes. There's really kind of no rhyme or reason why some got funded and some didn't. Maybe because you guys have just recently been awarded
CPG uh grant, I think, for some road improvements. And so, uh you know, who knows? And so I think you have a good chance of getting some grant dollars uh for the water and sewer improvements. Um
but the best way, you know, to maybe that make that application is to I mean it's going to be a lot of work, you know, to put those applications together, but you know, let's hope that by doing the multiple applications that you'll at least get one of those projects funded.
Uh do you have any questions about anything comments? But, you know, if you think about a whole state, you know, it's from Hurricane Debbie, uh, let's see, Marine and Milton. So, uh, so just think
about all those communities that were impacted, you know. So 400 million may seem like a lot of money, but when it comes down to, you know, uh assisting and having, you know, probably big dollar projects, you know, then
hopefully we can get some get started. Is this an addition to the infrastructure facade grant that you already had tied to the fire station that was not
approved? Okay. >> Yeah. So that didn't get awarded and if you want to add it to this pot of money, it is an eligible use of funds and so we can add that as part of the application. You know, we have these recommended
projects. They're water and wastewater related, but thank goodness we were, you know, notified early enough so that we can include a a prior station application. >> Yeah, 15 total projects would be included. So, we kind of broke it down like I said in five different
categories, you know, from collection to uh distribution and then treatment plant water facilities. >> Well, these are the same ones we asked. SRS. >> Yes, it is. >> And my understanding they're going to be communicating with each other and so
let's say that the SRF uh program and we're hoping you can 100% grant tolerance there and as much as you can get there as well. um you know but let's say that they'll redo the election you know if you know Florida Commerce uh do
the uh treatment plan or whatever you know so um that's essentially you know what we're looking at is the purpose in the public meeting is to you know give the public an opportunity to you know ask questions
to make comments and um and talk about the proposed projects and Then you know what the recommended projects are and if you wanted to you know like I said you allow the fire station to add that as part of one of the recommended projects.
We'll just add that to it. Thank you. >> We're at 501 airport. I might have to notice that start hearing until after
I'm not sure. I guess I read over that positive story on today and that's ring my head but also could be from saying that I could be wrong. >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah. All right. >> Okay. for comments.
>> But in the meantime, we can move on with other business. >> Okay. Agenda item 6 C resolution 2025-9 a resolution of the city of Perry Florida establishing a simple procedure for the disposal of surplus real
property owned by the city providing for declaration valuation methods of disposal conflict of interest restrictions and an effective date to bring up all these better than what we got to teach.
>> It gives a clear way to define value and clear steps on how to sell it. >> No, no inbetweens, no ifs, nothing. >> You all decided surplus property return value for property value under
20,000. You do it by the property office or the broker. explain price. >> The which broke which which which price >> the fair market value price the value will not sell lower than you can always
sell it higher the fair market value but this how you determine the lowest price you can sell it and a a broker's trust opinion to me is a free appraisal. >> Yeah. That's basically um so what we do is we take um area of property around the area that's
sold and it kind of we kind of do the same thing that um do and just kind of get a basic um price for what they sell based on other land in the area that's sold that you know kind of similar to the same
property. It's kind of like value over 20,000 say require a license break there we talking about demo build damaged trees and all that so I said the city will not sell surplus property for less than the termin market value said the city council may adjust the mum
sales price to account for the cost of demoing removing damaged trees environmental remediation or other conditions that reduce the usable value of the property that give you a way to bring the price There's some of these circumstances going on.
Method of disposal by public auction or seal bid noticed at least two weeks before the sale for one sale with like cows. You can go to a negotiated sale when bidding is not practical or beneficial. You have a
failed public sale like property is only beneficial to adjacent land owners. >> Who determines that? I think the council determine that I mean it's pretty simple parcel you
know sitting on a street that anybody could build on that's a public auction or seal something like in the middle of property like alleyway or something like that it's only beneficial to the people around it >> that's when you build a negotiated sale with those property owners
also allow to transfer to another government agency or donate to a nonprofit with reversing clause if ceases that I guess needed to be in there but anything had to be approved by ordinance to sell
uh the buyer will be responsible for all cost transfer appraisal fee title work reporting fee doc stamps city council member employees via family purchase or rece Start with
longer than that city general fund. That's about it. So that's clearly defined how the value gets determined which we didn't have a board and it clearly defines the method of disposal with a little bit of leeway in there for different types of
properties. So John, regarding the property value, if you get a property appraisal value on the website or the appraiser gives one and then a broker gives one, the council can decide which
one they are choosing to go forward. >> I mean, you said at the end they they pre ordinance and they have to approve it. that I just wanted >> my mind the council decide whichever way
they want if one I would say we're going with this option to decide which one >> to piggy back >> go ahead to say I think she's revealing a very similar problem to what we've
been facing >> exactly Because in following the current ordinance over the past two years, we started off the council opted to choose what the property appraiser had as her pattern. Recently, we've started doing
something a little different, which is asking her what the people privately and gone with that. I see the same sort of pitfall in wording of that. By the way, I like your head. >> You can give options here. You open the
door up to depending on the circumstances of the individual or the individual council member. You could choose well we like what the property appraiser has it on as a city-owned property. If we don't then we go out for the broker opinion or then we ask her to do a private what it was owned by
property. The less wiggle room and leeway you have in that >> Yes. >> the more you stay out of trouble in what we just >> Yep. In my opinion, I think that's what >> that would that's definitely a point in the sense of even though it says that you all agree, but the way this reads,
it sounds like if there's two two competing values, you all as a council can decide which value you choose to go. >> I can see I want to get a broker or vice versa. I don't get a broker's opinion because I like what the property has and I know John would like this headache to
go away. So I would encourage you to make it narrow your policy down to where next time there is no window property office. I would go ahead and charge 15 to do it and it's it's right there with an appraiser. I mean,
we've never been way off, you know, as far as appraisal price when we get when we when they list the house and appraiser comes in um to appraise it. There's very little room in between both of them that there's a difference.
>> Yeah. I'm go over the property upgrades. >> Brokers going to be Well, property appraisers might have a good idea too. broker >> problem never reassess the property because city
own property they never look at because there's no taxable value >> right >> so they left the same value there for 50 years in these cases >> because there's no need no need to mess with >> that's not a real market
>> but usually when you're talking about assess you are thinking about tactical property or property has been taxed. So since the government's not paying taxes, I understand just like that's a fake price and appraised value often gets into whether you can get a loan to get a
home. So I don't know that it directly um address maybe what a city would want to consider. I was just suggesting that you may think of one straight way because I know John is trying to make it clearer
what your expectations are. >> I love the idea of the license broker opinion. >> Yeah, because I don't want any wiggle room >> because that'll that that'll just put it where that'll put it in real world. >> Suggestion. >> So do a license appraisal for every
request for surplus. >> Just a license breaker opinion. It's not an appraisal. It's a It's a It's a educated 20 grand over 20 grand. >> The only other thing I could see that you never agree, you never can sell
it for what the fair market value is. Do you just not go on with sale or is there an outlet to sell for less? It's not related to these things. Charles was the last appraisal came back at 25,000. He was the only one even in
the meeting interested in it and he said I'll get 20,000. There's no wiggle room at the council to say we will do that. >> We need some wording on that also. Maybe that after a failed public auction or failed negotiated sale,
it can be sold for less than 30 days. >> That does make more sense. I >> mean, there are times when fail public sales happen. I think it just happened with the county not too long ago. There's landlocked property. There's little thin strips you can't do anything
with. There's a number of things why a property would fail to sell. >> You've got it in there for negotiated sale for less than >> public. The word negotiate is still kind
>> city property for less than >> just add that wording that you just talked about therecept Except for Because the bill negotiated or the negotiated sale doesn't happen unless
the bidding is active. Like I said, go negotiate negotiate and sell fast then you can sell for less than >> Well, one thing I've learned is we're never going to ever cover every possible situation,
but we can get close. We just get as close as we can within reason. We're never going to come up with anything that's going to cover every every scenario. There's no way. that we can but we can get close. I mean, we can cover a lot of it.
You can always change it. That's what we're doing now. >> Yeah, they're not set in stone. They sure can be changed regardless of what a lot of people think. I have I know of two properties that people are going to buy that's been brought before the council.
>> One is the alley that Mark Wiggins nothing's ever been decided bought on Plantation Road. So that going to fall under the old policy or the new policy because we have done sent the letters. We've done everything. It's waiting on you all.
>> Yeah, they were started before this goes into place. So the old So do y'all want them to people to come and y'all negotiate price? What I need to tell But it's under the old way of doing
things. It's going to be back to that price from here to there. So I have to file it own ordinances. We do have to file our own ordinances. resolution, but the goal is for the public to have an understand. >> He's got quite a bit of property that's
uh out of ordinance, too violated. Should be anyway. >> There's one thing that's going to get you and um
where it says the city council may that's going to bite you and I'm not suggesting you put will but there ought to be some way to massage that to I don't $5,000 up to something like
that. >> You got made section one. >> Will >> section one. May >> council make it clear the minist
>> well to account for I mean if you got a nice clean piece of property or really messed up piece of property >> may adjust >> you can adjust it for the situation because every property is not created the same unfortunately two yeah supers adjust
the minimum sales with one property for $8,000 for industry. You could change that to will up to amount structure on there be $25,000 versus street on
there for $2,000. Yeah, I see what you're saying, Mr. Bill. Make can just add a lot more independentity to it >> and change it to up to 3,000. Is that what you recommended? Oh,
>> I don't have an amount, but I I would put an amount and that's a reasonable amount. Fair market value 10% of the fair market value. That works for me. How do you think about that?
>> Propy valued under 20. That's maybe done by license price and property valued over. How do you determine if it's over under 20 price other that's a little
you're basically assigning a price to it before you're assigning a price. >> Start with the price. If it's above 20 city fair market the Thank you, Mom. I'm sorry. It works.
Then your next says $1,000. be responsible for paying for the license. >> What about the broker fee? If you get just get an opinion, then there don't the broker's charge for opinions.
Everybody getting There% here. Correct me if I'm wrong. I know you will. Why does it seem to me that we are actually giving away property
for someone to clean it up? And this is how it looks to me. But you got to take this out now. But when it comes when they get down to actually paying
for the property is really nothing but not too much anyway. >> $20,000 piece of property with $8,000 worth of window $12,000. I ask him to pay 20 and then pay more to clean it up
>> because I don't know. How many pieces of property evidence? [Music] >> We don't have very clean it up then sell it. >> Wondering if I'm making any money doing this.
Probably not. Get back every year. >> Isn't all other city property auctioned on just like property? Sorry. Public good. should get the highest price. What it is
giving away property home owners this policy see if we can only reduce by 10% of fair market value. So if it's a 20 grand piece of property going this policy you can only drop it down to 18,000. >> That's what I was going to ask. You put
a minimum sale price by 10% a fair market value. If that still doesn't sell at public auction or negotiated sale with bidding doesn't work, can it then be reduced even more? Are you adding like another step? I don't know that
>> and you all can read and see if it's clear to you. Um because that is supporting that that it can only go less than 10% a fair amount of value. But I understand once this if the public option fails and negotiated sale with
bidding um fails that you can go lower right the benefit of limiting how much you can reduce it if the council agrees but it can stay in the same question being talked about is simply a surplus problem, correct? the
extra property that's of no use to the city at this moment or not be used. And and I mean the way I'm looking at it would be if they're adding value to our town, we don't have the funds or we don't have the manpower to clean it up and we don't
want it. If a a citizen or a government or some or somebody that wants to investor or whatever, they're coming in to buy it to better our community, bring value to our town and have taxable income in the future.
I think I mean, it's kind of the way I would look at it. It would be hard to have a park piece of property if I felt like the city was trying to make an extra buck on me. it would I don't know it to me on
properties that are of no use to the city if you have people wanting to improve them um or maybe have a clause in the in the policy where it said you know hey we're basically like Mr. Charlie said give him property away, but
maybe there's a clause that says, "Hey, you will have this property at some standard, you know, in order to get this kind of deal." That's that's that may be a way to look at it. I don't know. >> The standard is what we're trying to
come up with, right? >> Give you x amount of piece of property, but you're going to clean it up. City's given away properties with additions for building a certain size house. Correct.
>> And gas appliances, etc. >> I'm sorry, I can't hear you. I didn't want to interrupt if you all the question that was posed. I had another thing I wanted to ask about, but I didn't want to interrupt if y'all were still addressing. I heard
your voice, so I didn't know if you were about to say something. >> You want to say something, please? >> Okay. I wasn't referring to what the gentleman was referring to. I was going to ask and not to make it overly verbose, but in the first paragraph,
declaration of surplus property, if we can possibly use um um a more defined way of still on surplus when it is no longer needed for municipal use. I know for some people that could that could be
just now but maybe if we could say something like it's a ethnomical to maintain or serves no useful function um that is not a time issue but is no longer needed or obsolete or
uneconomical to the sounds like some of the cases getting like the cost maintaining it the usefulness not the idea that not using it or so. >> I'm assuming the only property we're going to surplus is going to be property
we don't need. I'm speaking of the city of Perry >> at least that you see having use for right now. >> Right. May I know some of these neighborhoods the city retained some lots they wound
up not using which I believe is where the surplus lot thing came from to build houses on if you build a certain size house etc that we were talking about a minute ago.
Anyway, any more changes anybody would like to make to this? And there could be some changes we have to do in the future. We don't know yet. That's that's just it. Some may come up that we just didn't think of.
>> Change everybody out a working fix. But whatever we do, we just got to stay with it and follow it and not fluctuate from it. I'm okay with it. Second
motion and second. >> Yes. >> Council member Wall. Yes. >> Landers. Yes. >> Yes. >> Agenda item 6D. >> Yes.
Anyone have anything about the CGB CDG they'd like to ask? None. Hear nothing. We'll close the hearing. Thank you. >> Agenda item 6D, resolution 2025-18,
a resolution of the city council of the city of Perry, Florida, supporting the Taylor County's pursuit to obtain the Georgia Pacific pipeline easement through imminent domain, providing for transmitt, and providing an effective date.
Didn't we do this last meeting? >> Somebody said that table didn't >> nothing. >> They stand away from that. >> The county commissioners are no well
they should be the leaders in this >> and mine is no. >> Don't want to see it again. >> Amen. My problem I have with it is there's an ongoing
legal action >> ongoing as of now >> three hours ago. I checked and made sure it was still ongoing and it is. And I just don't see getting in the middle
of a of a legal action. That's what this would be doing. >> Decided to agree to an accident that hasn't been decided on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> pretty much. I think we need to let let the let the other issue play itself out.
I mean, that's my opinion on everybody else feels, but >> so we need to vote on this. >> He'll say he doesn't want to see it anymore. I'm sorry. >> I think it's a pretty much a no.
>> I'll second that. >> Okay. Got a motion, a second for no deal, Miss Diane. Second >> because it's just a resolution. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Just double checking to see if we needed
to make it perfect. >> Go ahead. >> Never heard a motion not to approve the resolution. I don't understand. All right, everybody good? >> Down at 6E. [Music] We voted on resolution.
>> If there no one moves for it, I thought someone moved. If no one moved, then it's not. You don't have to. >> Okay. >> I understand. There was a motion in a second not to pass it. >> That's what I thought.
>> Yeah. Council member Bryce. >> Yes. >> Council me. >> Yes. >> Means no. >> Exactly.
>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Mayor Dry. >> Yes. Agenda item 6E budget workshop. council to continue discussion on the fiscal year 2025 2026 budget and council to take any action
dee necessary first page you will see how much Also a big plus is we did not have to use our gas tax
money for whatever now. Did you have to use any reserve type money for capital? >> The only reserves that we have in the budget are for the parks for the boys
and girls kitchen expansion that's been flowing through for this year. But no, no other reserves. Everything else is revenues over expenses. I'm ready to adopt it if >> you want. >> Ready to go.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean, I'm not sure. I guess >> we had to hold them in September. >> 50,000 higher than what we expected. We did something like [Music] >> so the $80,000 was the GAC water filters
media replacement. Um >> yeah, so we it was $80,000. Andrew had a truck budgeted for um 75, so it kind of washed just about And the other big plus is we didn't have
to raise any rents. [Music] >> Any other discussion on the budget? >> Well, I'm proud of the progress that we've made. I think it looks great. >> All right. Without any more discussion, we'll go into
first and second reading in um September with it. >> All right. Thank you. Agenda item six F. Council to review FDOT scout grant
agreement for Park Street resurfacing and council to take any action deemed necessary for four screens. The other three we asked for appropriations and they were approved. So we'll eventually get all four of those done. But it seems like Scott
gives us either one or none here. Just put them in. I mean, part's pretty good. >> Are we just doing that first out of all the ones that we got to do? Is that what you're saying >> or is this separate? >> It's a separate. >> Okay.
>> They're all through D, but that's through the stop program. The other three are throughation. >> Okay. >> Right. There's three >> street motion. >> Have a second. >> Second. Motion by Miss Hampton. Second
by Miss Woodfell. >> Council member Rimes. Council member Hampton. Council member Woodall. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes. Mayor Petry. >> Yes. Agenda item 6H. Council to discuss hurricane bridge loan and council will
take any action deemed necessary. But from my understanding, this is something to do with the GP. If we had wanted to do the resolution to support the GP pipeline, then they would have needed to do this. He doesn't want to do it. It was just asked to be
tabled. So, put it on the agenda. >> Okay. >> Asked to be >> tabled. I'm not sure. >> We don't want to do it. model you got. >> It was a bridge loan that had >> So he was saying that he was going to bring it before y'all to see what y'all
wanted to do. But since y'all don't want to do the G pipeline agreement, there's no reason. >> Okay. There were three things that were asked last week last time. You all said agree to him to do this negotiated NDA or
>> to be able to communicate with your specifically that um with that NDA agreement the other two things >> right back. >> Okay. >> All right. No.
>> All right. Agenda item six. I council to appoint one citizen to serve on the Perry planning and zoning board and council will take any action deemed necessary. Do we have anyone? Okay. We'll revisit that in September.
What you do with that? I would that's the one Carly was saying that John that hurricane bridge loan >> be along with >> right you just want to not do that.
>> Okay. Very good. Item 6J approve with minutes August 12th 2025 regular session. Anybody have any corrections to the minutes? If not, I'll entertain a motion.
>> Motion to approve. Second. >> Council member Bryce. Council member Hampton. >> Yes. >> Council member Woodall. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Landry. >> Yes. >> Mayor D. >> Yes.
No. Okay. Carly, >> so reminder that the next week is going to be September 11th, which is a Thursday at 5:00 p.m. this particular public hearing for the budget or for the budget and the millillage. We couldn't have it
the same day as the county or the school that we'll send out a reminder. But because of that, council packets will probably go out September 8th, which is a Monday, instead of the weekend prior. Um,
just remember it starts at five. >> All right, Jamie. >> Um, there's not a lot of I can't talk about >> RB Daniel
>> Andrew. Uh this weekend at the water plant we had a lightning strike take out one of our BFDs. We've been working on that trying to get that back up there. So there's extra expenditures that are working in but we're working through them trying notes.
We are getting >> Saturday about five something >> Sean Saturday we had several stations over surge ring pump at B station. Um I'm going to have to report it to D.
I sent it sent some of the pictures to the engineers. Um that's that's a picture of the clarifier that um something a dog fell got in somehow and clogged it up and we drained it when
we did that metal skirting and rusted all the pieces. You zoom in on that, you can see it's falling apart. Pin holes all the way up. So, I gota get quotes and see about fixing that. I think it's
operational for now, but those pieces are falling off the scraper arm. It's binding it. Can that one piece around be replaced? >> Yes, ma'am. It can be replaced. Um I just
getting the material and I know that's something we could do maybe, but um I'm looking into it. >> Okay. >> We're clearing easements for the creek.
Um, so as part of the uh grant that the engineers got for cameraing and inspecting well since the hurricane the ements uh the contractors got try to get in there give us give us a quote and couldn't access it. So the guys cleared
it out and building roads back there to it. They've been doing that for about two and a half weeks. Um there's a few pictures in here. just filling in low spots. And actually, they had to make some pipe across the
road for culvers. This is an opening they made. Um, like I said, there was there was no access to it to get jet equipment for camera trucks. The next victory
it sewer lines that run along the creek. Um, this was a low spot. They actually have to place a pipe in all in dirt. That's hay that they place on sides so it wouldn't rode during the rain we had Saturday.
um get pictures of the legislations please. I sent my email to uh Monday anyway was really overwhelmed
main station Goodman's case and transfer pumps there was more water coming in we pump out >> that was during that rainstorm Friday or Saturday >> our estimates we got over five inches in
about an hour and a half Yeah, >> we got way too much. >> All right. >> I think one of the lift stations 17 20 foot deep. It was almost coming out of the It held it. It didn't overflow, but it
was close. Thank you. Anything else? >> Um that's that's there. That's water actually through the door from the outside. Um gets over halfway full. That's that's
after the rain. Um, so it's usually you can see the bottom, you can see the trough. There's actually a platform down there. Um, we're going to use this to try to get
some funding um from DP. That's that's the main station. Like I say, you're talking 20 foot deep and it's five or six feet from the top
just and if he comes across the corner, like I say, it's almost coming out the walkway. Um there down. >> You have anything else?
>> We bought a trench box a while back. Did you show the pictures last week? I didn't put the 10. We had to dig up 19. >> That's my picture in the paper. So,
concrete got in a sewer man somehow. I just I just want to show Mr. Bill this especially because he were 9 and 1/2 ft deep. Um it did cave in but we were in the box.
>> So it did it job. That's blocks on the trailer. >> That's what we took out of the line. It was 12 ft of that. >> Did I read the paper? It was what was it? Towel, grout.
>> Yes, sir. Mixture concrete grout. supposed to be. I actually have a piece of I was going to show you what I'm doing right now. All right. >> Anything else? Thank you, Shirley. My wife will continue next year.
Yes. Um I know everyone knows about the two young kids who lost their lives. Uh there was no winners in that situation.
My niece, my 15year-old niece is one of those who lost a lot of you are the king. My family and their family and your prayers. We need it. Thank you.
Landry. >> Um Danielle, can we get somebody to look at the ride of way on North Jefferson at the corner of the Dollar General store up there? When you pull up to try to pull out on the highway, you cannot see
oncoming traffic. the vegetation is blocking their view. Uh, is there anything we can do, any leverage we can use to get Ash Street
resurfaced? I know it's not our problem. It's our responsibility. It's it's the counties, but it is our problem and it's getting worse by the day. When I spoke I actually spoke with Kenneth Dillley about it not too long ago. They
have us the SC um brand or whatever. I don't but I don't know when if their intention is to do it but it's I think soon. >> So they've surveyed it. I understand they surveyed it twice but no work's
getting done and I saw you know survey flags and all that out there but nothing's been done. Um, I will probably not be here at the next meeting. I'm having hip surgery on the 5th on my other hip.
So, I'll be out or at least one meeting maybe two. Depends on how I do. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Vanita. Mr. branch.
>> I sit here and look at that picture and all these illustrations and that old bus. >> Then I look around this room. The people who may have rode that bus
and there's not many. I rode it once. I came back for a year later. Very good. All right. Thank you'all very much.