We now call to order the township of Piscatoway Council meeting of December 16, 2025. Adequate notice of this meeting has been provided as required under chapter 231 PL1975 specifying the time, date, location,
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the township council is always available by email and phone, and you can always call the mayor's office during normal operating hours. Miss Johnson, may I have a roll call, please? >> Council member Cahill >> here. >> Council member Carmichael
>> here. >> Council member Liowitz >> here. >> Council member Lombardi >> here. >> Council member Rasheed >> here. >> Council member Ern >> here. >> And Council President Espinosa
>> here. Please join me in saliva, please. Thank you. Item number five, comments from administration and council regarding adjournment of any matters on this agenda. >> I see none. >> Thank you. >> I have a comment.
>> I don't know if it's the right time, but regarding item seven, We do open up to public. Um I do have some comments regarding those. So do you want to do them now or when we get to seven that we go through? >> We can do them at number seven as well. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Item number six, open to the public comments regarding item number eight, consent agenda items opening for the remote attendees. If you wish to speak at this time, please raise your hand either on the Zoom app or by phone by pressing star 9. When it's your turn
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comments or questions. M. Johnson, do we have anyone in quue? >> Council president. Yes. I am asking the first person with their hand raised to please unmute themselves. >> Good evening. >> I'm Ed Marsh at 113
Whiteoff Avenue Skyway. Um my comment is that >> I'm sorry. Can you please can you please state which letter you are referring to for the consent agenda item? Well, I don't have the agenda. I was not
able the uh print out or whatever you want to call it. It's I wasn't able to access the agenda on >> you may want to wait till the end of the the the meeting to the open public section. >> Right.
>> Thank you, Miss Johnson. Do we have anyone else in Q? Council President, there are no other remote attendees with their hand raised at this time. >> Thank you. Closing for the to the remote attendees. Opening for the inerson attendees. If you wish to speak at this time, please come to the podium, state
your name and address and know that you have three minutes in which to make your comments. You may take a seat at the completion of your comments or questions and the council or administration will then respond if necessary. I see no one at the podium. Closing for the in-person attendees.
Item number seven, ordinance second reading, amended and supplementing various chapters of township ordinance open to the public. Resolution adopt an ordinance >> here. Resolved by the township council of Piscataway Township, New Jersey that an ordinance entitled ordinance to amend
and supplement the revised general ordinances of the township of Piscatoaway, county of Middle Sex, state of New Jersey, amending chapter 2, administration. Chapter 3, police regulations. Chapter 12, parks and recreation areas. Chapter 16, housing
and rent control. Chapter 17, property maintenance. Chapter 22, solid waste management. And chapter 23, sewers and wastewater was introduced on the 13th day of November, 2025, and had passed the first reading and was published on the 25th day of November, 2025, and was
amended on the 25th day of November, 2025. and the amendment was published on the fourth day of December 2025. Now therefore be it resolved that the after ordinance having a had a second reading on December 16th 2025 be adopted passed
and after passage be published together with a notice of the date of passage or approval in the official newspaper. Be it further resolved that this ordinance shall be assigned number 2025-28. >> Thank you Miss Johnson. Opening to the public. Opening for the remote attendees. If you wish to speak at this
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to make your comments. The council or administration will respond if necessary after you have completed any comments or questions. Johnson, do we have anyone in queue? Uh, yes, Council President. I'm asking the first person with their hand raised to please unmute themselves.
>> Good evening. This is Jessica Kraville. Can you hear me? >> Yes, we can hear you. >> Great. Uh, my address is 1247 Brookside Road and I wanted to encourage the council to not pass the amended
ordinance because the um public nuisance aiding and abetting portion has not been adequately addressed. Uh, I think that this is going to lead to people experiencing street homelessness who are getting help from others for them both
to have problems with the police which uh I don't think is a very good thing. I think we should encourage our neighbors especially during the holiday season to provide help and assistance to anyone who has fallen on hard times. And I
would encourage you at this time that we're supposed to be thinking of the the well-being and peace on earth and goodwill to all um to do a little bit more of that here in Piscataway. And also your noise ordinance, including no
exception, uh will allow people to no longer mow their lawns or hire people to mow their lawns. And the uh first offense being a $3,000 fine is absolutely unbelievable. It's so crazy. I I don't know how you all came up with
any of this stuff. Um, but I would really encourage you to please look a little closer at these things before you write them into law because it seems either like you're intending to selectively enforce them to uh only pick
at people who you don't like uh or that you just haven't really thought about it really well and I hope you will reconsider. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. President. Council President, if I may just get
some background on that. >> The nuisance, sorry about that. Um, the public nuisance portion of the ordinance. >> I think people are misunderstanding it. It's not a crime to be unhoused. It's not unlawful to be unhoused. It's not unlawful to be to to be panhandling. So,
this aiding embedding wouldn't wouldn't affect anybody assisting an unhoused person. This is specifically targeted for what we've been having is as the large house parties where we've seen hundreds if not I think the last one the
police department estimated was 500 people where there's underage people drinking etc. The police officers have only been able to ticket and and put a violation on the homeowner.
This aiding embedding would allow us to go after those promoting organizing those parties that are doing unlawful activity. So this isn't this isn't about anything. Again, it this public nuisance is only
abating aiding and abetting an unlawful activity. Being unhoused is not unlawful. It is not in our ordinances. It's not in state statutes. You're assisting an unhoused person is is not within this public
nuisance. I know there there's a misinterpretation. I just wanted to clarify that in terms of the noise ordinance, the levels of the noise ordinance would not go anywhere near a lawn mower. This is talking about those large parties. Again, this is talking
about we've been gone years of complaints about trucks blowing their horns, beeping, etc., you know, middle of the night, you know. So, so we needed to strengthen up the noise ordinance so we could actually force and put
violations on on those trucks, on those house parties that are affecting neighborhoods. Um there's it it's not targeting lawn lawnmowers or or those kinds of things. >> Um Mr. President, if I could ask a question of the attorney Raj. Um, I know
over in my neck of the woods, we have residents and they've called and complained about um the university and I've been on some of those meetings with the university about um curbing some of the noise. We know with the new speaker system that they put in last year, I
think it was, or maybe in the year before that when they're doing practices, they're mimicking crowd noise and things of that nature. Um, do you think that this is going to help with any of that? Because I have residents who called me to thank us for this, but
they were very doubtful that the university was going to abide by it. >> Yes. So, unfortunately, we can't we can't apply our ordinances to the university. There's a state entity. What I'm hoping is that we provide this new
no noise ordinances to the to Ruckers and and the sports and the athletic department and hopefully say, you know, this is what everybody else has to abide by in our town. Could you, you know, work with us to to kind of abide by
this? Also, we're hope I mean, we had a conversation with them years ago when it was really bad. They seemed to get better. It just picked up again. We're going to have you know, we're >> at the council meeting when you and I pulled in. >> You know, we're going to have further conversations with trying to resolve it with them. Um,
it's something that unfortunately Ruckers is a big entity that doesn't have, you know, doesn't have to abide by the rules that that everybody else has to abide by. >> Um, I have another question. That's okay. >> Thanks.
>> So, if the intent is to address the noise and the house parties, problems that are coming specifically from the house parties. Why can't we have an ordinance that specifically addresses house parties rather than trying to make one for noise, one foring in a bedding
and then you're putting all residents. So you're creating policy that is going to curb everybody because of a few bad actors that are having those house parties. So why can't we just have a specific ordinance just for the house parties and create that? I mean to to
the extent that listen you have to be these ordinances the noise one is is for issues beyond the house parties like I said we've been getting complaints for years about trucks and in the middle of the night so we've we looked at our noise ordinances and they weren't firmed
up we so if you look at the noise ordinances it creates levels we're going to actually put in noise meters into I think a certain number of police police cars so that we can actually go out there in the middle of the and determine if those trucks are actually violating
so we can actually enforce it. Um it's there there's multiple other situations that noise noise violations could occur. Um >> yeah, I have one I have a continual call of a client over by McDonald of a constituent by McDonald's who has to
deal with a continually loud bounce, you know, bass music continually all day long. And she has had to call the cops every weekend and she's trying to have her mom live there um to take care of
her at end of life. So, she has continually called me with a problem with a noise ordinance also. She she she has called continually to the police department. And if I may, I don't think
this is going to pick up people who are not, you know, who are abiding by ordinances. This is not what it's intended for the ordinance like if it's you. Yeah. Right. If it's I mean implemented the way it it's it's written to be implemented. Well, the aiding and
vetting is only if you're doing something that's illegal. And as the attorney said on being unhouse is not illegal. And the house parties are just I don't know. I think I don't know when they started. However many years ago those popup parties started. They're highly illegal. that, you know, they're
underage drinking, people are renting out their home, things of that nature. And if you are a resident who lives in that area, I think um >> you would not want it next door to you and Michael, >> I think just recently had one again >> next to my father-in-law.
>> Okay. So, um on over there in the Irish Town section on Halloween night where the parents and the child were charging admission and serving alcohol to about 400. Well, that's not only the issue. The issue is if you have 500 people at a
party, they're parked all over the place illegally all over. And if an emergency vehicle were to have to get to one of our homes, they are not going to be able to get to you. >> How about the res July 4th where there's 2400 people there, >> right? I know. >> Serving alcohol.
>> Yeah. >> Let's talk to those residents out there. They're not too happy. >> I know. I know. >> That's not allowed anyway, right? >> It's not allowed anyway. >> Well, no, it's we didn't have much enforcement mechanisms on them. Now, with the large gathering ordinance, we
would require a permit with we would able be able to shut down it as it's an unlawful activity without the permit because to to the extent that people can have, you know, they have private property, they can use their private property as they see fit. Um, so that's
what the combination of all these things is to really create an enforcement provision. Now, of course, our police department is very community oriented and and so to the fact that the conversations I had with our police department is we're we're going to use this as as a a a tool to get people to
move on. We're not going to go in there and ticket people and, you know, people etc. This is about a as a deterrent mainly. We're hoping that just implementation of this will prevent anything from happening, but also that
when it can shut it down and move people on the July 4th to the the the public safety director and the big issue is the police officers were able were outside in the neighborhood. They really couldn't do much. They were there just
been trying to pe They were just there really just trying to keep the peace. And there was kids on on lawns and walking around through the whole neighborhood. So >> listen, I I can't believe that this governing body doesn't want to make our town safe. As we sit here in this room
right now, there's a hostage situation going on over Motel 6 with weapons involved. The SWAT team's out there right now. And I can't believe that we're talking about not talking about safety here. I I'm sorry. I have the mic here. We
need to talk about public safety and it needs to get done tonight. >> Anything else to shake? >> Sarah, did I answer your questions or >> Yes, you did answer my question. My my my concern is that Yes.
regulations and policy has to be put in place because of few few bad actors. I agree. But I feel that this language can be refined where it doesn't feel like it's a heavyhanded uh approach to the full community. It should be a very
specific um refined language where you're going specifically after the bad actors be able to >> but that's what it is. It's for an unlawful activity. Now listen, every no resident is going to be doing illegal activity. So this isn't aiding and abetting anything other than unlawful
activity. So we have the remote attendees. Thank you sir. Do we have anyone uh else on the ready in queue for the remote attendees? Yes, I am asking the next person to please unmute themselves.
>> Hello, Brian Rack, 1247 Brookside Road. About this noise ordinance, I don't know what you're saying, Raj, that a lawnmower is quieter than 65 dB. Um 65 dB according to chart I found is conversational speech or an air conditioner. I mean, I think it's pretty
obvious a lawn mower, a snowblower is louder than that. And if we look at the township of Washington, where this ordinance was copied for from. They have a whole section talking about how it doesn't apply to lawnmowers, commercial industrial power tools, construction demolition activity. I mean, we you guys
like missed the whole exception part and are just I I don't I don't get it. That was it. So I just like to comment if you look at the ordinance you know it's also indoor outdoor has different levels of
recording you know so be outdoors they're not going to be sticking the the noise meter up to the lawn mower I there is already existing in this this is only partially an amendment to it um
and I don't have in front of me but essentially there's a there's a distance that it would be measured from. >> Council President, I'm asking the next attendee with their hand raised to please unmute themselves. >> Hello, my name is Ally Brockman. I live
at 241 Vasser Drive and I'm a post-dctoral research fellow in social work practice and policy at Bingmpington University. But I'm speaking today in my personal capacity as a Piscataway resident. First, I would really like to know where the agenda is posted so I can
know which specific sections of certain ordinances are up for comment. It would be great if this were posted where the Zoom link is posted. Um, but about this ordinance today, having taken doctoral classes on social welfare and social policy, one of my
main takeaways is that when writing or implementing social policy, it is crucial to consider how the policy could potentially be misused by bad actors at any point in the future. vaguely worded policies that you enact could have
unintended impacts that do not align with your current intentions. I think the fact that you're having issues with people misunderstanding these ordinances is a clear sign that they are too broadly and vaguely worded and could have multiple different interpretations.
If you are trying to address large house parties with underage drinking, for example, I would suggest writing policy that more specifically addresses those issues. The ordinance about aiding and abetting a public nuisance also could be interpreted to criminalize mutual aid
and social service agencies who are trying to provide much needed assistance and services to people experiencing homelessness. I implore you to stop and think what exactly you are trying to accomplish with this specific ordinance. You should be able to logically connect
the dots between your goal, what social policy research says is the best way to accomplish that goal, and the specific wording of your policy. On a more human level, I would just also like to add that no one wants to be considered a public nuisance. No one wants to be in
so much distress that they are deemed a public nuisance. Someone causing a disturbance on the street, for example, needs help and resources and needs to be connected to social service providers. This ordinance could be used by bad actors to outlaw that exact needed help.
This ordinance's definition of aid or a bet also includes providing comfort of a public nuisance. I want to ask you, do you really want to be the people who outlawed providing comfort in any circumstances? Do you really want to be on the side that says providing comfort should be against the
law? Unhoused folks are human beings just like you and me and want a stable place to rest and sleep and be with their loved ones. The housing research consistently shows that housing first policies work best at ending homelessness. So until we can house
everyone, criminalizing homelessness or criminalizing helping unhoused folks is only going to prolong the problem of homelessness. Please do not enact this policy. Thank you for your time. >> Just want to repeat, I think people are in misunderstanding that there that
there's a generic definition to public nuisance. The ordinance actually provides that it has to be a public nuisance as defined by either state statute or or township ordinance. Now, state statute has a definition under 2C
33-12. Again, being on the house isn't a public nuisance. Just standing around is not a public nuisance. Loitering is not a public nuisance. These it's not generic. It is tied to a any it's tied to definitions under state statutes.
Again, it's not I think we keep talking about unhoused. Unfortunately, it's not this is specifically saying unlawful. You know, there's being unhoused. I don't know where we've gotten that from, but being unhoused is not unlawful here. >> Thank you, Raj.
Miss Johnson, do we have anyone else in queue? >> Council President, there are no other remote attendees with their hand raised at this time. >> Thank you. Closing for the remote attendees. Opening to the inerson attendees. If you wish to speak at this time, please come to the podium, state your name and address and know that you have three minutes in which to make your
comments. You may take a seat after completion of your comments or questions and the council or administration will then respond if necessary. >> Hi, my name is Susan Pickup. I live at 607 Ellis Parkway in Piscatoway, New Jersey. And I'm a retired school social
worker and I'm a volunteer with NAMI, which is the National Association of the Mentally ill. I just want to know is this ordinance um about not housing people um in motel. I can't stay longer than 31 days.
>> That's not on this. Okay. >> Where can I find this ordinance? Because I am concerned because I've worked with homeless families. So that that was removed from the very very first version of this ordinance. It's not included in this one and it hasn't been reintroduced.
>> Okay. So if you have homeless families who are living in motel which is which happens frequently. You know I've worked with those students. Those students are not going to h are going to be able to reside in that motel until they can get housing for more than 30 days. >> Yes. As of right now. Yes.
because I would be very concerned about that because those kids really need stability. I have worked with them. It's really important for kids who are homeless to have as much stability as possible and school districts when kids are moved have to make other arrangements for transportation and then kids can I' I've had this happen um are
are absent from school when when school might be the only um steady influence in their life at that point of homelessness. I'm also concerned what happens with um individuals who are having altercation who might be having a psychotic break or who might be homeless.
Is this ordinance impacting on that? >> Having a psychotic break is not unlawful. >> No, I know. But I'm thinking if you're a nuisance, say somebody I bipolar, they're having they're schizophrenic or something like that. >> So that so that's why everybody keeps
thinking like nuisance is a generic word. It's not like for instance, I'll pull up one of the state statutes and it's the main statute. If you type in nuisance New Jersey statute, it's 2C3-12. It has two or three basically three different definitions of a public
nuisance. None of what anybody has talked about would fit into these. One of them, for instance, would be by conduct either unlawful in itself or unreasonable under all the circumstances. He knowing >> just speak a little slower on hearing. >> Yeah, no problem. By conduct either
unlawful in itself or unreasonable under all the circumstances, he knowingly or recklessly creates or maintains a condition which endangers the safety or health of a considerable number of persons. The another one is he knowingly conducts
or maintains any premises, place or resort where persons gather for purposes of engaging in unlawful conduct. The this isn't I think everybody's broadening what nuisance is. statute specifically says it's public nuisance defined by statute attached ordinance.
We don't have a public nuisance here. So it would ordinance here. So it would be under it would basically refer back to the statute. So it's very defined already. And the the reason why we don't we don't define it ourselves because the more you define it, it it becomes a
fight in court as to whether it applies. So we said, listen, the state has already defined public nuisance in very in very defined terms. We're just going to make sure that we can hold other people that have have caused this nuisance accountable.
So someone that has a mental health situation, I mean, we've worked with my I've worked with my safety director constantly. We over the years, and the mayor can attest, you know, we implemented, I think it was a year or two ago, we brought in a shared services agreement with the county to make sure
that we have mental health providers at calls where there where there's either domestic violence or a mental health situation. So, the police officers will only maintain the scene until those mental health providers can get there. So, we always make sure that there is
support and it's not the police officer that dealing with those situations. Thank you. >> You would send a social worker out then. Okay. Yeah, I think we're part of that with UMDJ, aren't we? I think so. >> Anyone else coming to the podium? Thank
you. Please state your name and address. >> Yeah. Uh this is Pratik Patel, 29 Redbird Road. Um I have a few lot of things on this governance issue, but I'm going to stick to this point. Lately, what I'm what I'm observing is the legislation whether it be state, the
township, the federal, the state is going out of control. And this is to you, Mr. Goomer, and I'm going to be very specific. Are you writing British laws? >> I'm sorry, Mr. Patel. Is this has to do anything with the ordinance that we're reading on number seven? >> Yes, it has. Because if you're talking
about public nuisance and then we are talking about finding thousand or $2,000, do you guys actually study constitution is what is called as a legitimate fine because this is this is exceeding constitutional authority of what you call taxes or fines. That's number one. The second thing is in this
public nuisance, you want everybody to file permit. So tomorrow if there is a public gathering against the government for things that we don't like, we need to get permit from the government. So you're taking a right to free assembly of people. >> I'm sorry sir. Did you read the ordinance? >> Yes, we did. Yes, I did. When we're talking about an
>> exception in there that you may want to look into, >> they want to look into the exception. >> Yeah. And this is when we're talking about public law. You're talking about somebody who's going to Yes, I understand that if it's related to private housing when you when you're talking about public law, this is not
this is impacting entire public. And I I'm sorry, but you know the legislation today is just going out of control. You guys are actually just going to create either a colony or basically a subsidiary in this township in the name of law.
>> Thank you, Mr. Patel. So, council, I just wanted to clarify something that people keep bringing up in terms of the violation amounts um for the noise ordinance. It's not more than 3,000 and that's set by the municipal court judge. So, the municipal court
judge can determine the facts and say, "Listen, this is your first time. You're a good person. I'm going to give you a $100 fine, $50 fine." It doesn't have it's it's it's a max. It's saying that you as the municipal court judge can't charge them more than $3,000.
In terms of the aiding in abetting a public nuisance, the first offense is no le it's no less than500 because we've seen that these are big issues, but it's not to exceed $1,000. We make sure that there's a cap. Second offense, it's no
less than a,000, no more than 2,000. Third offense, no less than 2,000. You It has to be progressive. Um, and to the extent that still the municipal court judge has that discretion. >> Thank you. Raj.
>> Anyone else coming to the podium? >> Good evening. I'm Stacy. >> I'm Stacy Burgerer, 233 Ellis Parkway here in Piscatoaway. Thanks for giving us an opportunity to speak about this tonight. I have a couple of comments on the ordinance itself. First of all, the
the breadth of it, I think, is what people are struggling with. And I think what Councilwoman um Rasheed and the other caller recommended is probably wise that we take this off the agenda and look at ways to make this very narrow because what you're doing is making a very large policy when what we
have is a very specific incident and example um I think of what you're trying to solve. The number of people is a sort of arbitrary number. So, I'm not sure where you've gotten a hundred, but let's just say for example, you know, you were going to have an
event at your home and it was going to be, I don't know, a manura lighting and you decided to invite 80 people and 101 people showed up. You're now on the hook for having not properly anticipated the number of people. So, do you recommend
that people apply for a permit at I mean, it would be exempt because it would be a religious event, but if it weren't a religious event, and I'm not sure how who's going to decide what's a religious event or what's a political event or what's a protest. I mean, there's a lot of things that could qualify as a protest. Is somebody at the
police department going to be tasked with determining what is a protest and what is not a protest or what is a political event? Because there does seem to be a lot of conversation about what is political and what is not political. So, I'm wondering how you came up with the number at 100 because if you mis get
misjudge the number of people that are coming to your home to your private property, you are now on the hook for up to anywhere between 500 or a,000 or 3,000 if you violate the noise ordinance because there's not a lot of room there. And I don't know, maybe the judge thinks you're a good person and maybe they
don't. That's a weird thing for a judge to have to decide. But if the judge is going to have leeway, there should be some very strict language about what is political, what is a protest, what is a religious event and who is going to make that determination is very important to
implementing an ordinance in a way that you're trying to to do this. And I I do think um the caller who spoke before talked about unintended consequences and I think that's what has people very upset about this particular ordinance because it is so broad and so much of it
is so vague that you may have the best of intentions but this can be used by other people for other purposes down the road in a way that you may not be thinking of right now. So I'm not sure if anybody has an answer about how you got to 100. Why not 150? Why not 68?
like where did that number come from and how are people supposed to know if they've not intended to because the way that the the ordinance reads it's that if you're expecting a certain number. So if I'm expecting you know 72 people but 102 people show up I'm now in violation
of a law even though I didn't intend to invi violate the law and as I think you all know violating the law you know not knowing the law is not an excuse for not following it right. So you are now putting people on the hook for substantial financial damages for things that are very vaguely defined and seem
somewhat arbitrary. And finally, I would just refer you to Thank you, Miss Stacy. >> Yep. I would just refer you to case law about these kinds of ordinances because they have been ruled really they have been ruled unconstitutional. >> Thank you. Couple times. So I just want to tell the council that
you know a majority of these or these sections in the ordinance have been in including the noise ordinance including um dating vetting including the this large gathering. Um we're not usually the first in the state to do these. We look at other townships and what other
townships have implemented to try and find solutions. A a majority of these, if not all of them, have multiple townships that have done done these and they've been on the books for a long time and we're we're basically just implementing what other towns have
tested and and and implemented. >> Um, council president, I believe our safety director Yeah, there was a lot of discussions between the groups. >> Sorry, I was asking if the um safety
director had put input and the answer I believe is yes. Thank you. >> Thank you. Take your name and address please. >> Good evening. Bill Irwin, 233 Ellis Parkway, Skyway, New Jersey. Uh I didn't actually plan on speaking on this
particular ordinance tonight, but um given the sort of specific examples that I've heard as justification for it in the interim, it sounds to me like you're using how uh a hammer to solve a scalpel problem. Uh the ordinances sound overly
broad. Uh the examples that were given Yes. Well, on the noise one, yeah, thumping bass when you're trying to give care to somebody in the middle of the day is a problem. It's certainly over 65 dB. There's an existing law for that. That law can be enforced. This one adds
nothing to that. Uh Mr. uh Goomer brought up that, you know, in the past these house parties, uh the police have only been able to go after the owners of the house, which are the right people to go after. um you come down all over the house owners and they won't do it again.
Um those are the people that are causing the problem. They are the people aiding in and embedding it. They're having it on their property. They're causing the nuisance. Uh the mayor brought up a situation at Motel 6, which sounds tragic. Um it
doesn't have anything in particular to do with the ordinance under discussion, so uh leave that where it is. Um, I don't think there's any particular rush to do this. I think the advice given that you should take some more time to sort of address and ass the
public concerns that have been raised is solid advice. >> Thank you. >> Hi, Gina Register, 78 Riverview Avenue. Uh, first I'd like to thank Council Member Cahill for going to Rucker Stadium to try and talk to them about
the noise. I live in the little neighborhood adjoining it. I have no problem at all with game days, but just to make you aware maybe something you can open another dialogue with them. This year football practices even in the
bubble started at 6 a.m. and you could hear the thundering base if I please take my time away from her. Are they using um sound in the bubble? >> Yes, it and a couple of neighbors um who
back up to uh golf links because they're right in line with the bubble. They've talked to me about it. I hear it in my house, too. Even though >> there's one particular gentleman over there who I've spoken to several times about it, so I'd imagine he might have been somebody Yeah. So,
>> bubble, >> right? And people in the neighborhood complain about game day, but it's game day. It's five games a year. That's what you expect. Put it on your calendar and just go with it. But the practices at 6
in the morning get to be a little bit much. Um, the other thing is I would like to encourage the council not to pass this ordinance in its present form. I believe the language is overly broad
and I agree with the call-in uh person who said it could be misin misinterpreted in the future. Um respectfully, I think you need to write the ordinance with more uh clarity in
the language. I think your intent in maintaining a self community is greatly appreciated. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else to the podium? >> Fred White, 607 LS Parkway. My comments
are going to be mainly questions. Um, do police issue citations for Jake breaking? You know what I mean by Jake breaking? Downshifting a semi tractor. Mayor, do we have I have to look to see if we have an ordinance. I assume we
have engine breaking ordinances. Either that or it's Yeah, it's it's extremely hard to force because you got to call out the police department as as you hear it and then they're already gone by the time police there. uh as we do that. So
the police would not be willing to say sit on the side of the road looking for drunk drivers and simultaneously uh issuing tickets to truck drivers who use that
and they have I mean we've had issues where we've had for instance the trucks on River Road where there's a 4 ton limit and we've had and we've seen like an uptick of of trucks on there and then there's police the police have sat out there and issued tickets and pulled them So, at the time, if we see repetitive
complaints about uh about um you know, the the engine breaking or Jake braking, as you call it, um by the trucks, I'm sure the police department would send people out to do that. >> All right. Um one last question. Um I'm going to assume that you people remember
Hurricane Sandy and Hurricane Ida. Um and sometimes people have trouble with keeping their homes intact. I've seen in some sections of town sighting ripped
off by strong winds and I know from personal experience that sometimes you have to use a chainsaw to cut up trees. Um is some do I would I have to look forward to somebody coming over with a
decel meter? Like chainsaw is too loud. So to the extent that the police aren't going to be wandering around with their noise meters, you know, um this is only going to be, you know, where the police get called out on a complaint, then they'll come and measure noise. And to
the extent that, again, the the police department is very focused on community policing. They're not going to go and ticket someone. They're just going to, you know, if they need to do use the chainsaw, they're going to use the chainsaw. Um, and I I don't think this is this was this noise ordinance was taken from other
townships and was also reviewed and and and written by our police department that from experiences that they had talking to other officers. I know some people are using chat GBT and determined that these decibel levels are are you know are based on a lawn mower etc. This
is this is taken from other police departments that have implemented this and and said these are the good numbers. So this isn't something where we're going to be punitive, etc. People Well, this is about making sure that they can enforce when there's a complaint that we can enforce a noise ordinance.
>> Yeah. I also like to bring to your attention that it's possible to use battery operated lawnmowers in place which are not as loud as gasoline powered lawnmowers. >> True. My neighbor has an electric one and I never know when she mows the lawn. >> Yeah. Wonderful, isn't it?
>> It is. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else to the podium? >> Okay, closing to the comment. >> Sure. >> Just um regarding like the chainsaw just to follow up on that, right? If the
neighbor was using a chainsaw, it's too loud. By the time the police is called and they come to the home, he's not using the chainsaw anymore. What happens in that scenario? >> They don't we can't do anything. >> So, isn't that the case right now? If anybody is very noisy in their house,
they're either playing extremely loud music or they're extremely loud. You can call the police and they will come to your house and they will knock on the door and tell you, >> right? >> All they can really ask is to for you to lower the music to an extent. Um, this allows them to measure it and say,
"Okay, you are violating an ordinance." >> But complaints against them then it's too loud need to have a number associated with it because then it feels like >> yes we don't otherwise at the end of the
day we won't be able to enforce it in court and then people will just may get issued a ticket summon to court and and the judge will have to dismiss it. We have to have strict levels. We have to have numbers that we can abide by saying this is the this is the noise level
that's This is the reading on the meter. The EV that evidence provides the M court judge to then make a determination. And again, our court judges also aren't punitive. They they very many most of the time our prosecutors and our court judges and
listen they're an independent organization. So we can't I can't really talk for them but to the extent of my experience is that our judges are very very much working with the population to make sure listen first experience you're a good person. second second event
sometimes they try and work with the population not to be punitive but to actually remediate the solution. >> All right. And then in terms of the large gathering right um for the definitions I know you said that the law enforcement
would would decide but for example I wanted to if I want to have a wedding in my backyard but it's a religious ceremony. So is that a private event then does it need a permit if it has more than 100 people? then I don't need a permit because it's a religious
ceremony that we're having but it is a wedding. Um you know there's a lot of ambiguity when it comes to the definitions then because it says exception for religious. >> Yep. And and what I would tell the community is just give the police department or the mayor's office a call and they'll work with you. The the main
focus of this large ordinance is also is that to make sure that we can also work with you to accommodate traffic flow, parking, making sure we're not blocking hydrants, making or you know those kinds of things. So the the point of of the ordinance and as you see it also works
with you on the permit say so that all the township departments can work with you to make sure that your your event actually runs smoothly and doesn't have any issues >> because uh let me just piggyback on that a little bit because when there is a
large party you know I'm always for the emergency services piece parking's an issue So, if there are people parked on both sides of the road and there's a fire or an ambulance needs to get down the road and they can't get down the road, these
are emergency services issues of large parties. And that's that's part of the reason why you have to have rules to govern these type of events. >> Just want to make clear this. It's not if you have 100 people, you can't do it.
All you have to do is call up the township, submit a very simple permit, work with all the all the township departments like fire and police, etc. will work with you to make sure your event goes smoothly. You're going to hold it there. There it isn't a situation where we're going to reject it
if if you're working with the departments. All they're just going to ask you is, hey, how are you making sure that there's ingress and egress for fire trucks? You know, those kind of situations. Other than that, you everybody it's not stopping anybody from
holding a gathering. >> I totally agree with you. I understand the intent is from a good place. Um I know most of the feedback has been specifically for chapter 3. Most of the concerns from the community members. I don't know if that's something that you
would want to pull out. Maybe we can revisit chapter 3 and maybe refine it. The other chapters, nobody has any comments for it. You know, I don't know if you're open to that. That's the council other than we can amend again. I mean because well we'd
have to we'd have to go back to first reading next year. >> I mean on the on the on the sound levels that's the chapter three. >> No that's the >> large gathering. >> Oh >> noises. Question three is not only that,
it's the noise gathering. It's deleting it of bedding. It's large gathering. So, there's a lot of different things that came up with a lot of different concerns. So, it's not about not doing it. I definitely agree. We have to do this. >> Well, I will tell you that all the
things that I wanted amended I were amended. >> I say, >> all right, I respect that. >> One lasting promise. No more questions. Um, I know most of the concerns were for chapter three, but I do have a comment for chapter 2. Okay? And I I
don't mix it up, but I want to um reaffirm that our contracted EMS provider uh provide all the 911 responses and I really appreciate that service and that they do for the community and they're doing an amazing job. Um, I believe that we should remain
open to local uh EMS volunteer services. I know that they have a role to they are part of our civic um fabric and there's always a role for dedicated volunteers who want to give back to the community.
So even if it's just a supplemental um support um I think we should be open and stay open to that possibility. >> Thank you. Closing to the inerson attendees. >> Miss Johnson ro
sorry motion. >> Council a motion. >> Councilwoman Lombardi. Second. >> Miss Johnson Ro. >> Council member Cahill. >> Yes. >> Council member Carmichael. >> Yes. >> Council member Liowitz.
>> No. Council member Lombardi. >> Yes. >> Council member Rasheed. >> Um yes to all. No to chapter 3 except 3-31. >> Sarah, unfortunately. >> Okay, then it's a no. >> Yeah. >> All right.
>> Council member Ern. >> Yes. >> Uh, Council President Espinosa. >> Yes. Item number eight, consent agenda resolution for efficiency. Items have been consolidated into a consent agenda to be
voted on together. And the materials for these items have been distributed to the council in advance of the meeting. Can I have a motion, please? >> Offer. Councilwoman Cahill. >> Second. Councilman. >> Roll call. >> Council member Cahill.
>> Yes. >> Council member Carmichael. >> Yes. >> Council member Liboitz. >> Yes. >> Council member Lombardi. >> Yes. >> Council member Rasheed. >> Yes. >> Council member Ern. >> Yes. and Council President Espinosa. >> Yes.
>> Thank you. Item number nine, announcements and comments from the our officials. Council member Kah. >> Thank you, Councilman. Um this is um our last meeting of the year. So, I would like to um wish everyone in the town,
those who are here calling in remote and all across our great town um happy holidays um in light of all that's going on in this world at the beginning of Hanukkah, like us to especially think about um u the hate that is still
targeted to certain groups and um highlight the fact that our town is never in the news for that. And um I've always said this, you know this um Sharon knows it very well um that I always say that our town is a model for
this country in terms of um I always say um we speak the same language. We and I don't mean that literally. I mean respect for one another. And it saddens me to think at a very um what should be
a joyous occasion um that people are so insensed that they feel that they have to take out hate on uh on people on innocent lives. I'd also like to say though that um as we go through the
season that we should still be hopeful that there are good people in this world. Um, we are coming into the season of Christmas and New Year's and um, I hope that um, once I was told that when you say merry Christmas, even if it's
for somebody who's not of the Christian faith, it's more about saying like peace be with you, be joyful, be happy. And so with that, I will say merry Christmas to all of you. >> Council member Ko, Council Member Carmichael,
>> I just wanted to the Holton's Marshall Fire Company. Today I witnessed them uh gathering toys and gifts for children who are less fortunate and taking them to Bridgewater to the Martin Luther King youth center after school program. There
were 60 plus children there who uh are a little bit less advantaged than some of us are. And um they the home marshall fire company along with the ladies auxiliary went over there to Bridgewater and distributed those and the kids were
so grateful. The staff were so grateful and they gave speeches and they wrote Santa letters and I just thought it was a wonderful thing for this holiday season to make someone less fortunate than you feel and wish everyone a happy holiday
season. Thank you, Council Member Carmichael. Council member Lee Woods, >> uh, following along in this theme. So, two meetings ago, I in uh, November, I spoke about our community gift giving
and we had toy drive boxes um, through the Kuanas Club of Edison for toys that are going to children that are through the um, DCPN. And I am proud to say that the Y did a great job. The libraries did a great job. The boxes were very very
full. Um and people could also order on Amazon. And so it speaks to the generosity of our community and I I appreciate that and I certainly something we can be proud of. Um we are in the middle of Hanukkah. I did bring uh a manora. Um, Hanukkah happens at the
darkest time of the year and each night of Hanukkah we add an additional light so that on the eighth day um there is more light in this world and it's certainly something I wish for everybody here for each of us and uh the world at large.
>> Thank you council member um council member Lombardi. >> Good evening everyone. Uh the voting is now on for the holiday decorating contest. Um Until the 19th, we have been riding around and the people are voting
online. So, uh, take the time to, uh, spend some time with your family and go around and take a look at some of the beautiful decorations that some of the people have done around town. Uh, thank you to the DPW for plowing of our
streets. Uh, please remember to not park on the streets while the streets are snow covered. Uh, we've been having a large problem with that. The plows cannot get close to your driveway if there are cars parked on the street. So,
um, we're trying to get the people to stop parking on the streets and I would like to wish everybody a happy, healthy, and peaceful holiday season. Thank you. >> Thank you, Council Member Lombardi. Council member Rasheed,
>> I would like to wish everybody a happy holidays and Happy new year. Um I know Hawa just opened up. Congratulations to them. But more than sorry. I am very excited about Tesla chargers that I saw there. I don't know when they will be
operational, but right now that would be the first electric car charger Tesla chargers in Piscatoaway. Um the closest have been 20 minutes away. So this is very exciting. Thank you. >> Can you only charge a Tesla at a Tesla
charger? Um I They're expanding it to other electric cars, too. >> Thank you, Council Member Rasheed. Council member Ern. >> Yes. Um, I want to give a shout out to our 10U cheerleaders. They came in first place in Queen City. >> Very good.
>> Queen City competition. Their trophy is in the community center, so take a look at it. I also want to wish everybody a happy and safe holiday. >> Thank you, Council Member Ern. Thank you. This is administrator Paula Caserelli.
>> Thank you, council president. I just wanted to the mayor had pointed this out last week with respect to what's on the agenda, the awardics, who will be the auditing firm to submit our uh application for our solar
credits. So, we should expect uh 5.2 million for that and then an additional 250,000 for the chargers rebate. So, should be looking at about a 2.5 close to 2.5 million, excuse me, uh 5.5
million. So, I just point that out. So, thank you for authorizing that. And just a little uh lead up, I did discuss medical insuranceances. They did come in uh 22.3% higher. This will increase our
municipal budget now by $2.7 million. So there's a $2.7 million change of which this township has no control over. It's what's happening in the insurance industry. Uh the township was very competitive with its broker in trying to get competitive quotes in all different
hybrid situations. This was the best uh offer to meet equal or better than in which we have to comply with uh some of our collective bargaining agreements. Um, and that's all I have to say and I just wish everyone a happy, healthy holiday season, happy new year and thank
you. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Gummore. >> Yeah, just a happy holidays and happy new year for everybody. That's it. Thanks. >> Thank you, sir. I would like to just uh take this opportunity to thank uh our mayor and
council uh along with our new business administrator and also our dedicated municipal clerks, chief of staff, public information officer and the rest of our staff and police department for their continued support and commitment. Uh wishing our residents and families happy
holidays and a very healthy 2026. Be safe. Thank you. Okay. All right. Item number 10, agenda session for January 2nd, 2026, reorganization. We have our mayor's appointments of civil rights advisory commission,
community outre outreach advisory board, historic preservation advisory commission, deputy OEM coordinator, planning board, presiding municipal court judge, various other appointments that are listed on our agenda.
Item number 11, opening to the public. If opening to the remote attendees, if you wish to speak at this time, please raise your hand either on the Zoom app or by phone by pressing star9. When it's your turn to speak, you receive or hear a request to unmute yourself. Please click the prompt or press star six on
your phone to unmute yourself. At that time, please state your name and address and know that you have three minutes in which to make your comments. The council or administration will respond if necessary after you have completed any comments or questions. Miss Johnson, do we have anyone on in quue?
>> Yes, council president. I'm asking the first person with their hand raised to please unmute themselves. >> Can I be heard? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Uh, hi, I'm Ed Marsh at 113 Wolf Avenue.
Uh first, um as I mentioned earlier, the uh council tonight's council meeting agenda was not available online to the public. I request that you look into this and resolve it.
Second, um the three minute time limits for public comment are not reasonable. It's not enough time for people to ask questions, try to figure out what's going on and to present comment. Uh it
used to be there was no time limits. Then it became two uh five minute time limits. Then it became one five minute limit and now it's down to three. So I think a two fourm minute
uh periods of time limits would be um reasonable for public comment. I asked you to consider that. Also I received the township winter newsletter today
and it has no calendar of public meetings or contact information for elected representatives. I find this disturbing and I request that you uh resolve this.
Thank you. Yeah, I mean township official information is protected for privacy. Um Daniel's always out there and and so for that aspect that we we do want to protect, you know, our officials, especially in light of incidences that
happen have happened recently in other states. Luckily, not here recently, but of course, Daniel's always was created because of of a similar issue. So, um you know, you can always contact the administration and also there is a t there's a council email address and the
administration can always connect you with with with um the council members. >> Thank you, Miss Johnson. Do we have anyone else? Thank you. >> Yes. I'm asking the next person with their hand raised to please unmute themselves. >> Hi, Brian R. 1247 Brookside Road. Again,
I'm kind of wondering where that council email goes. I had talked to someone at the um let's see, America's hotel owner lobbying firm and they talked to the business administrator from what I heard and tried to talk to the council but no one responded to him. Uh this was in
regards to that previous ordinance that was altered um about requiring the hotels to keep a guest book for the police. So did the council get his emails or and just not decide not to respond or did they not get them?
This was Ryan Alers. >> All >> all all of those emails that are sent to the council are printed in printed and provided to the council. >> Every email that goes into that email box, um the clerk's office should be
making copies of it and giving it to us. I did have a copy of that gentleman's email, but I you know, my response is is that the motel owners need to be responsible. Well, the the business reached out to me as as it was a um a a
reach out about a motel association regarding the ordinance and so it was a legal issue um and and we did discuss it. Thank you, Miss Johnson. Do we have anyone else in Q? >> Council President, there are no other remote attendees with their hand raised
at this time. Johnson. Closing to the remote attendees, opening to the inerson attendees. If you wish to speak at this time, please come to the podium. State your name and address and know that you have three minutes in which to make your comments. You may take a seat after completion of your comments or
questions, and the council or administration will then respond if necessary. Please state your name and address, please. >> Hi, my name is Rob Freeman. atwood and I'd just like to bring to your attention an ongoing uh issue that's been getting worse over the last couple of years. Um
we have a significant problem with traffic getting off 287 at exit 8 on town and coming through the neighborhood getting back on at exit 9. Um so we had some speeding issues initially they come
and go. Um but now consistently Monday through Friday we'll have anywhere from 20 to over 100 cars backed up on Haywood. Um not, you know, able to get out onto River. Um I've seen people
drive the wrong way down the other side of the street to cut off all of those vehicles. So um to your concerns, ma'am, if there was ever an issue with an ambulance or a fire, there's no way that they're getting up the street. Um I have
an eight and a nineyear-old. can no longer play in the front yard and I have a property that's 200 by 225 with a long driveway. They can't be out unattended on those days in the summers. Um it's very dangerous uh out there. I have been in touch with the police
department. They've done what they can but they only have four members to traffic which is really not adequate here. What I would ask is that uh the problem is on it illegal to make a left there by the park Monday through Friday
between the hours of 3:30 and 6. Uh those cars would not be able to get on is directing those people off and through the neighborhood. So if they went down to the light and came up, there's multiple turns. That's not as quick. So even when the traffic uh
subsides, you then get those random people that are doing 50 miles an hour down Haywood. It's a 25. It's just um it's a it's a problem and um you know it's it's now been a couple of years and it's getting worse
and worse and and worse. So I would ask that you please look into that and see if there's something that we can do. I'm not asking for speed bumps or those type of things. It's it's a traffic flow issue and when I speak to the police department, not one single person over the last several years that they have
pulled over and been a township res. They're all people from out of town just trying to beat the traffic on 287. >> Yes. >> So, so I actually had a discussion with the public safety director. I think Paula, you might have been there or the
mayor was um in regard to ways and we're reaching we're going to be reaching out to ways to see if there's a way they can alter their algorithm to prevent pushing people that way to to avoid the traffic. Um, we've understood that that they are able to do that. So, we're going to
continue to push to try and get that done. Um, but we'll definitely talk to the the police department about that left turn as an option. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate Thank you for your time. Happy holidays and thank you for the shout out to the tenu. My daughter's on that team. So,
>> awesome. Thank anyone else to the podium Patel 29 Red Bird Road. Um so I'm going to I'm going to make it short because obviously I get three minutes and it's not enough to talk about a lot of things. just in general um I think if I
just measure myself about trust in government in last three years and trust in legislators and if you have a matrix that shows something going up in my books you guys are just going down whether it be state whether it be township whether it be federal and let me just give you and I'm not just going
to just say because I want to say this I'll just give you concrete examples um and let's start with this town in last two years obviously Mr. The mayor uh talked about that how good it was to build those warehouses and he thought that he won the case. Two years or a
year and a half those warehouses are empty. There is not a single soul working in those buildings which is on Washington Avenue. So I don't know how much tax breaks were given but there is no payroll. That means now it's going to be again taxpayers going to foot the bill. There was a fantastic building which was a paychecks building. It was
like to me it was an architectural wonder. you level that thing down and I don't know whether it's public, private or who you want to blame this but regardless of that right on Washington and you right I think exit six I believe past the Walmart that building is gone it's a flat land now so we have now
isore warehouses that that somehow people can find money and rationalize employment or whatever you want to call it uh economic activity we have great architectural buildings that are going down for whatever reason in names of profit in general ledger when I look at
it what you guys are doing is is just unheard of. When I look at the incentives that are going on in this country today, we are incentivizing things which are taking money away from people who are producing things and it is being given away to people who produce absolutely nothing. Um I think
misadministrator today talked about that hey we got energy credits. The next statement that came in is our insurance payments are going to go up by 22%. You know when we are talking about going insurance going up that means are we talking the risk going up or are we talking for-profit insurance because to
me when insurance are making profits it means either the risk are going escalatingly high or something is not right or that money is not doing its purpose. We have right now in our health care system wait times going up. Doctors are taking five to six month vacations a
year. They are blaming lawyers that oh because the lawyers and their fees are going up and the lawsuits are going up we are charging you more fees. Insurance is is is just going at a rampant pace. Then we have when we look at the other areas of the ledger when we look at the schools and the taxes and the land
taxation let me give you example about land taxation in Piscato. In last five years, our taxation has gone up compounded by 10% year-over-year. And I think the the letters that we get in in Brian Waller's newsletter is it's just totally lying. Okay? The the taxes are going up and I'm not denying some of the
services are going up. So I I I appreciate that. But when you look at it, when you're paying 50% taxes and if I have to fund my education for my own son for which I have to go into debt and he I have to find tuition fees, then I have to question that if you're taking 50% in perpetual taxes for life and you
still can't find people who can pay for education. Where is the money going in government? >> Thank you, Mr. Patel. >> I wish I could have more than >> Thank you, sir. Anyone else? Good evening again, Bill Irwin, 233 Ellis Parkway. Uh, I'm here tonight to
speak in opposition to the ordinance criminalizing stays of longer than 30 days in hotels, which I understand is going to be on the January agenda and of which the mayor mayor said at the last council meeting, quote, "In January, either this public body is going to be
for public safety or it's going to be for the criminals." I reject that characterization of the upcoming vote for two reasons. One, it is silly and childish. Two, it is an incorrect false dichotomy. It is incorrect because the measure as
previously written will do nothing to either enhance public safety or to deter criminals. We are asked to believe that there is a level of criminality so extreme at two hotels in Biscataway that the police were called over 800 times in
an 11 month span. And that somehow despite this robust police response, criminal activity continues. Indeed, it sounds as though it does tonight. And we stand powerless to stop it with existing laws. Somehow the criminals evade our
best efforts, outwitting us at every turn. As though we have a cabal of Lex Luthor level criminal masterminds taking up residence in our hotels. Simultaneously, we are asked to believe that this aforementioned group of clever
criminals will somehow be deterred by a mighty ordinance stating that they can't spend more than 30 days in the same unit. That it will never occur to them that they simply simply can't switch units or hotels on day 29, thereby being in compliance with the proposed law as
written and free to continue their criminal activity unabated. The proposition is absurd on its face. Those two things cannot be true at the same time. Here are two things that can be true at the same time. There may well be and indeed it sounds like there are
people conducting criminal activities at these hotels and they should be prosecuted under the existing laws that they are breaking. At the same time, there can be other people staying at those hotels, good people, families perhaps a bit down on their luck, who
need a stable place of shelter while they work to improve their lives. For those people, this law will present a serious burden on their housing stability and will cause more problems than it solves. In short, criminals will be undeterred, good people will be
burdened. That is the definition of bad public policy. It is simply punching down. And that's not the sort of thing that good people do. Speaking of which, how about we set up a warming center overnight of our own here
in Piscatoaway so that unsheltered folks have somewhere to go when it's freezing outside because that is the sort of thing good people do. Thank you. Anyone else to the podium? Hi, my name is Reena and I've lived in many places in Middle Sex County. I'm a social worker and a peer advocate. I'm
25 and I've been through a lot. I heard you saying that you think your town is a model for everyone to follow. That's really funny. I'm disgusted and disappointed to hear that there's still further ongoing discussion about the ordinances that would impact those who are experiencing homelessness. They need to be completely dropped as this isn't
only going to be a considered a Piscataway Township issue, but a Middle Sex County and beyond issue. There's no good thing that's going to come out of these ordinances, especially the registry and length of stay. From everything I've heard and seen, there's no actual real solution you all provided to the problem you are facing with in
regard to the people using these hotels and mo motel other than to kick them all out as if they're just disposable and not human. Many of those people using hotels and motel are homeless families with children, veterans, those who have reached sobriety, domestic violence survivors, returning citizens, and those
who have found and are trying to find a measure of stability in those in their lives. But you wouldn't know that. Have any of you taken the time to directly one-on-one with with any of those people that are using the hotels and motel that you say are causing problems. I bet none of you have because you wouldn't know that. You would know that these
ordinances wouldn't be the answer. You're too afraid you're going to get attacked, assaulted, raped, or stabbed with the needle by them. So, you stay away. Speak to these people and ask how you can help them and learn about their situation. And I guarantee you, you'll be in tears after five minutes of talking to them. This isn't even about
giving these people another chance at life. It's about the fact that these people never even had a first chance of life. They're staying in these hotels and motel and your c and the ordinances that you're uh passing are barriers for
them. So, make sure you think about what you're doing, but you wouldn't understand. You all were born with golden spoons in your mouth, and you'll never understand what a real struggle looks and feels like. You let your biases, stereotypes, stigma, and disgusting labels dictate
what to do with your law makingaking decisions. So yeah, go enjoy your holidays, but don't forget nothing about us without us. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else to the podium for the inerson attendees? >> Motion to adjurnn.
>> Motion. There a second. All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Meeting adjourned. Thank you everyone. Have a safe new year.