Madam Chair, you're muted. >> You're muted, Brenda. >> Excuse me. The Piscatoaway Township Planning Board meeting will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in the following ways. Notice published in the Courier News. Notice posted on the bulletin
board of the municipal building. Notice made available to the township clerk. Notice sent to the Courier News and the Star Ledger. Miss Buckley, would you please call the role? >> Mayor Waller, >> present. >> Councilwoman Cahill >> here. >> Miss Corkran >> here.
>> Miss Saunders >> here. >> Mr. Atkins >> here. >> Mr. Foster. >> He's here. Mike, >> Mr. Edaria, >> and Madame Chair >> here. Um, Mr. Barlo, would you please
read the open public meeting notice? >> Certainly, Madam Chair, I just want to place on the record that in keeping with the guidelines that have been disseminated by the Department of Community Affairs, planning board has tried its best to comply with the Open Public Meeting Act and the DCA guidelines. In addition, the applicants
who matters whose matters will be heard this evening had the login information for the online meeting platform put forth in the notices. Members of the public who wish to be heard will be afforded an opportunity as if they were an the actual physical space and we've
done our best to comply with the DCA guidelines in the open public meetings act. Madam Chair, >> thank you. I believe the flag is visible over my shoulder. Can we all recite the uh pledge of allegiance in unison? I pledge allegiance to the flag
>> of the United States of America >> and to the republic >> for which it stands, >> one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all for all.
>> Item number five, can we swear in the professionals, please? Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> I do. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Are there any changes to tonight's agenda? M
>> madam madam chair just with regards to number 11 25 PBO34 V 83 International and two Arlington Place there are variances that are listed as being required. I just want to
Note that the applicant updated their plans to include everything that the township's professional staffs were seeking and it no longer requires any variances of any kind. So it is just a minor subdivision. I know the agenda
lists a number of variances. None of those are required anymore as the applicant complied with everything whether it's uh uh the conduit or the enclosures for the AC everything else. Um, so the amended plan. So that's going to just be a straight minor subdivision.
That's the only change, Madam Chair. >> Okay. The record should reflect that in and the amendments. Um, so then we will go back to our agenda, which is the um item number seven, duly audited bills. Can I have a
a motion? >> Madam Mayor, Don Ber, I'll make that motion. >> Do I have a second? Councilwoman Cahill, second. >> Thank you. Roll call, please. >> Mayor Waller, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Cahill, >> yes. >> Miss Corkran, >> yes. >> Miss Saunders, >> yes.
>> Mr. Atkins, >> yes. >> Mr. Foster, >> yes. >> Jer is not here. And Madame Chair, >> yes. Item number eight, adoption of the resolutions taken on September the 10th. >> Madam Chairman, I'd like to Oh,
>> says none. There are none. We have none tonight. Okay. Thank you. >> Item number nine, adoption of the minutes from the regular meeting of September the 10th. >> Madam Chair, I like >> Hello. Madam Chairman, I'd like to adopt the
minutes from the regular meeting of September 10th, 2025. >> A second, please. >> I second it. >> Thank you. Roll call, please. >> Mayor Waller, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Cahill, >> yes. Miss Corkran, >> yes.
>> Miss Sunders, >> yes. >> Mr. Atkins, >> yes. >> Mr. Foster, >> yes. >> And Madame Chair, >> yes. Item number 10, 24 PB707. Ray Van Heights LLC and Kieran Kaduri,
final major subdivision. Mr. Larry Lavender appearing. >> Good afternoon or good evening everyone. It's good to see you all again, Madam Chairman, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Barlo, good to see you. My name is Larry Lavender. I'm from the law firm of WY Lavender Mcnor.
My client is Raven Heights LLC with the uh owner of said LLC Kieran Kadori here as uh Madam Chairman said for final subdivision um uh preliminary was approved back in August of 2022.
Property is uh 17 and 21 School Street. >> Madam Chair, just briefly as Mr. Lavender indicated um this board by resolution adopted on September 14th of 2022 had granted
the applicant preliminary major subdivision on both variances. He's spent the time since then making sure that they complied with all of the conditions of said preliminary major subdivision and I believe Miss Corin can confirm of having complied with all of
that they are now seeking major uh final major so that they can go to the building department and start building with regards to the three lot subdivision >> and madam chair that is correct. the applicant has con um complied with all of the uh conditions of the preliminary
approval. >> So if there's no uh questions, do we need to go to the public? >> I would open to the public, Madam Chair. >> Okay. Uh this matter is open to the public. Uh anyone having questions regarding this application, you may
indicate by waving your hand. >> Raising your hand or if you're at the phone, store six. No one madam chair. >> All right. Closed to the public. Members of the board, do you have any questions? If not, I'll take a motion. >> Madam Chair, Dan Querin, I'd like to
make a motion that we approve the application uh for final major summer. >> Do I have a second? >> Carol Saunders. Second. >> Welcome. >> Mayor Waller. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Cahill. >> Yes.
>> Miss Corkran. >> Yes. Miss Saunders. >> Yes. >> Mr. Atkins. >> Yes. >> Mr. Foster. >> Yes. >> And Madame Chair. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Thank you all very much. >> You're quite welcome. Good luck.
>> Well done, Larry. Have you listened? >> No, I thank you all. I'll see you. >> Item number 11, 25 PB034 V is in Victor C. the Kumar Natarajin
for a minor subdivision. >> Yes, ma'am. I'm here. >> Okay, you may proceed. >> Uh well, just um Madam Chair, since um Mr. Another is the owner and the applicant, he's representing himself. He
may be giving testimony. I think out of just an abundance of caution, if we could have Miss Saunders swear him in. >> Okay. >> Can you please can you please raise your hand? Right hand, please. Do you swear that the testimony about the G will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I agree. Nothing but the truth.
Thank you. >> All right. So, I am seeking a subdivision of uh both the properties like I mean like I own uh 83 international as well as to Arlington and I want to extend my like you know uh primary residence backyard. So that's why I'm like asking to move the lot line
to like you know give a better bigger lot for 83 international >> and Mr. Mr. Ryerson or Miss Corkrine, can you just confirm that the applicants uh amended plans that he submitted to the township uh did away with any of the
variances that were originally noted in the application? >> Well, I'll wait for Dawn to unmute. >> I think we're on the same page. >> That is correct. And um the applicant even applied for the permits to move the
AC units out of the easement area for the existing dwelling. >> It it was already applied and approved and it's closed. >> Excellent. >> And just for the record, what we received secondary was an engineering uh
one page showing all of these items. Most of our comments that I didn't say were marked as satisfied is because we didn't see an amended because our original review was based on a subdivision plan. So I if everything is
you know everything is u okay with the applicant. We have no other comments. >> Thank you. >> And the applicant has addressed all of the items in the staff report as well. >> Okay. and and both lots are it's a minimum lot area of 10,000 square feet
and the proposed lots uh exceed that. So again, he's kind of taking a piece off one property and adding it to another. >> Okay. >> And sir, just so you understand, if the board votes favorably on your subdivision, you're going to need to
have an attorney prepare a subdivision deeds for filing. Okay. >> Yes, sir. I do understand, Mr. Cochran is uh like you know good enough to advise me all this uh next proceedings. So thank you so much Mr. Cochran. >> You're very welcome. >> Okay, we still have to open it to the
public. Members of >> Members of the public um does anyone in the public have any questions about this p piece of property or uh have any questions or comments about this application? >> No one, Madam Chair.
>> Thank you. Closed to the public. All right, members of the board, uh, any questions or I'll take a motion. >> Madam Chair, I just want to confirm um with Mr. Barlo that a notice was sent out to all neighbors and we have um we
have that backup. Well, uh, uh, Council Kale, um, as Miss Buckley can confirm, because this is a minor subdivision, it's an approval, uh, by right, um, and no variances were sought, um, this application doesn't
require notice to the 200 foot that it would normally be. um he publishes it and he has to notify the um >> board of education >> board of ed and utility and he has done that and provided Miss Buckley with the
appropriate uh proofs for saying >> okay so that means this uh gentleman the president you have not come before this board you addressed everything before your first presentation here today >> correct m yes again Mr. uh Mrs. Cochran
was a kind enough to advise me on what need to be done so you don't waste any everybody's time you know. Thank you so much. >> Well, thank you D. Yes, she they're very good. Okay, very good. Then that that was my only question. Thank you. >> Certainly.
>> If there are no more questions, are we ready for a motion? >> Madame Chair Dan Corin, I'll make a motion to approve the application uh for minor subdivision >> and I will second that. Okay, thank you. Roll call, please. >> Mayor Waller,
>> yes. >> Councilwoman Cahillo, >> yes. >> Miss Corkran, >> yes. >> Miss Saunders, >> yes. >> Mr. Atkins, >> yes. >> Mr. Foster, >> yes. >> And Madame Chair, >> yes. Thank you. Good luck, Mr. Netder.
>> Uh, thank you so much. >> Uh, do I need to stay or um I'm free. >> You are free to go, sir. >> Thank Thank you so much. Uh, have a good night, guys. >> Have a good night. >> You too. >> Yeah. Thank you. Bye. Bye. >> Item number 12, 25pbz06700
Washington Avenue Investments LLC for a preliminary and final site plan and major subdivision. >> Uh, Arch. >> Yes. Good evening everybody. Uh, members of the board, board professionals. Uh, it's been a little while since I've been in front of the planning board. I think the zoning board is getting tired of me,
but uh, it's good to see you all tonight. Oh, welcome back. >> Uh, so I'm here uh uh I'm here tonight uh representing 1700 South Washington Avenue Investments LLC. And uh you're correct. We're seeking preliminary and final site plan with major subdivision
approval uh to construct 190 senior living apartments split across four buildings consisting of three or four stories per building and totaling approximately 316 to 317,000 square ft including a clubhouse as well as
separately subdividing 44 lots which are going to contain senior single family detached homes. Um, so, uh, the property in question is approximately 42.9 acres and it's located at 1700 South Washington Avenue, uh, along Suddi
Avenue and Carol Lane and known as block 5701, lot 11. Um, and it is in the 1700 South Washington Avenue redevelopment plan zone. And I'm happy to confirm uh, and we will also confirm through testimony that we are uh, compliant with
that plan. We are not seeking any deviations from that redevelopment zone. Uh so there's really two major components to this. There's the apartment uh component and then the single family component. Uh so you'll see as we kind of go through the presentation uh we're going to essentially be presenting each of them
individually just to keep everything as organized as possible. Uh but it's all part of the same lot. Uh this is a really exciting project for us uh because it's providing a much needed product to Piscataway. Uh the township has rightly identified senior housing in high demand for the residents of
Piscatoaway and uh in passing the redevelopment plan in place for this property. Uh they had that use in mind. Um and looking at everybody on the board, I can see that nobody on this board is close to senior age. So you'll have to imagine for a moment what it would be like to be a senior. Uh but I
think that you'll find that the proposal is something that Biscataway will be very uh proud to be able to offer to his residents. Uh I do want to additionally thank the township's professionals who have worked very closely with our team uh literally for years at this point uh to make sure that we're not only checking boxes uh to be conforming with
the redevelopment plan, which we are uh but really going above and beyond to make something that's going to be exceptional that I I think the town's going to be really proud of. So um so thank everybody. Um so with that, I do want to acknowledge the staff reports. We have uh the DNR report dated October 1st, 2025. We have uh the famous
triparty staff report uh which is uh dated September 29th. Uh we have a fire review uh memo uh dated October 2nd. CME's report dated October 1st and the Dolan and Dean traffic report uh dated August 20th. Uh we believe that we can address all the comments in the report
and we will happily continue to work with your professionals to their satisfaction uh as part of any compliance. I do want to mention there were two comments uh briefly that I believe were in the triparty report uh that we just want to confirm we are agreeing to uh that's the fiber optic conduit uh as well as uh providing
appropriate fencing around our storm water basins. Uh so I just want to confirm we are uh complying with that. So we are a fully conforming uh application with no deviations. Um unless there's any preliminary questions of me, I do have three witnesses tonight. Um, and so I'm ready to proceed
unless uh unless anybody has any preliminary questions. >> Tim, just one question. Did you say 40 or 44 single family? >> So, it's 44 lots. However, you'll see there's 44 single f or sorry, 40 single family homes, I believe, or 39. I'm going to I'm going to defer to my
engineer on that one when we get to him. Uh, but some of those lots are going to be utilized as storm water. Uh, and I think there's an open space lot. So, 44 lots for the subdivision. Not all of them are going to contain a home, however, but we'll see. >> Okay, that's what I saw. 40 detached
residences. I just wanted to, but I'm sure the testimony will reveal that. Thank you. >> Not a problem. Uh, okay. So, my first witness tonight is uh is Chris uh Zle from uh Menllo Engineering. He's our civil engineer. Um and if we could have him sworn in.
>> Okay. Uh Chris, can you please raise your right hand? >> Yep. Right here. Do you swear that the testimony about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. >> Uh Chris, if you can briefly just let the board know uh your qualifications so
they can accept you as a uh civil engineer. >> Yes. My name is Christopher Cle. Last name is S is in Sam, Z is in zebra. A L A Y. I currently work at Menllo Engineering Associates located at 261 Cleveland Avenue in Highland Park, New
Jersey. I received a bachelor's degree in civil engineering from the University of Rhode Island in 2008 and I've been a licensed professional engineer uh in the state of New Jersey since 2013. My license is in good standing and I've testified before this board as well as uh many other boards throughout the
state. >> I would ask that he be accepted as a uh expertise engineering. >> He's accepted for this board. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh Chris, you're familiar with the site, you're familiar with the plan, you're familiar with uh all the specifics. If you can, if you can just
take us through that and uh I'll give the floor over to you. >> Absolutely. Uh thank you, Tim. Um so tonight I have prepared for you uh four exhibits that if I can share my screen, I will introduce them to the board.
>> Christopher, what we'll do is first one will be A1, A2, A, and we'll just uh we'll mark them as such. Okay. >> Okay. Great. >> And if when you bring them up each one, if you could just identify it for the record. >> Okay. So, can everyone see my screen at this point?
>> Yes, sir. >> Yes. >> All right. So, this first exhibit is entitled RIA-1700 Washington Avenue, existing conditions exhibit dated 10825, which I'll introduce as A1. And this exhibit is depicting an aerial
background that shows the existing conditions of the subject property. The property boundary is highlighted and you'll see uh we have two boxes highlighted known as site A and site B. Site A being the location of the single family subdivision and site B being the
location uh of the multif family development. Uh the second exhibit I'll introduce is entitled RIA 1700 Washington Avenue overall plan exhibit dated 10825 as well. Uh this is an overview really over the same aerial
background same scale and it now shows the proposed site improvements within site A and site B as a colorized rendering. Um and this was uh basically colorized rendering of the submitted overall plan that was part of the site plan set. Uh the third exhibit that I'll
be sharing is entitled RIA 1700 Washington Avenue site A site plan exhibit and this is essentially a zoomed in uh site plan uh colorized rendering of the site plan over the same aerial background at a larger scale with the
zone table shown uh and landscaping uh shown as well. And again, this is a colorized rendering of the submitted site plan that was part of the site plan set. And the fourth exhibit uh A4 uh is a zoomedin uh colorized rendering
of the site plan for site B. And this is entitled RIA 1700 Washington Avenue site B site plan exhibit also dated 10825 and this has the zone table and landscaping shown as well. So those are the four exhibits that I'll be referring
to as I go through my testimony. Um what I'll start with is exhibit A1 and describing the property as a whole. Uh the subject property is an irregular shaped lot approximately 42.97 acres in area. Uh and is designated as block 5701
lot 11 as shown on the tax map for Piscataway Township. Has approximately 789 linear feet of frontage on the west side of South Washington Avenue. and the property extends back in in somewhat of an L-shape uh towards the west towards
Suddy Suddy Avenue. Uh the address is 1700 South Washington Avenue. Uh it's located about a thousand feet north of the intersection with uh Metler's Lane and the site is located uh was within the SCH senior citizen housing zone uh
and is subject to the regulations of the 1700 South Washington Avenue redevelopment plan uh which is dated April 25th, 2025. Uh surrounding the property, you'll see to the north there's an the elementary school and then there's additional
industrial warehouses uh that are just a little bit off uh off the view. Uh to the east of the property, there's open space that is uh designated, I believe, to be a township park in the future. Uh to the south of the site, there's uh an
additional lot that is part of the redevelopment plan for 1700 South Washington Avenue that will also uh hopefully eventually be senior uh citizen housing. And beyond that, there's Woodland Road with single family homes. And to the west of the property, there's uh additional single family
homes along Suddy Avenue and Carol Lane. Um currently the property is vacant. Uh it's mostly open space as you can see to the to the southeast and to the northwest and then there's a a big area of uh woods in the middle of the
property. Most of that wooded area is wetlands currently uh at per a D LOI that has been uh obtained. The wetlands have a 50 foot uh wetlands buffer and there's three pockets of additional isolated wetlands in the northwest
corner of the site. And really the only um significant existing feature on site is a uh JCPNL 100 foot wide uh easement for high power tension wires where there's a a tower and two additional
utility poles located uh on the east side of the site nearer to uh South Washington Avenue. Um and based on really all this uh the constraints the the developable area of the site is greatly reduced from the 43 acre site to
about uh 22 acres that that is really uh developable due to the environmental uh constraints. Um I'll move to exhibit A2. Uh and what we're seeking approval for tonight is preliminary and final uh site plan
approval and major subdivision. Um and as Tim stated, there's really two components to this application. Site A, which is the single family subdivision, and site B, which is the multif family, um containing 190 apartments and 30, it's actually 39 single family homes. So
the the subdivision is for 45 lots over the property. Um 44 of the lots are located within the single family portion. That's 39 single family homes. Uh an open space lot, three basin lots,
and actually the last lot is for the roadway which is uh to be privately owned and maintained and that was at the request of the township. And then the the last lot the 45th lot is the remainder of the site which is encompasses the multif family portion of
the project as well as the large area of wetlands uh between the two sites. And so now that we kind of got an overview, um I'll focus on each site individually
and go through again, you know, existing conditions of each each area, propose improvements and then maybe it would make sense to even take some questions if anyone has any questions on each site while without confusing things too much. Um so focusing on site A, I'll actually
go back to the existing conditions uh exhibit A1. Uh this portion of the site that is being developed within site A and the the 44 lots as part of the for uh single family subdivision consists of 9.07 acres. Uh this area is mostly field
open space as you can see with a few small pockets of woods and then three isolated wetland areas and then it just encroaches slightly into uh the larger wetland area to the south. Uh the site slopes uh pretty significantly from the
northeast corner of the property to the southwest corner towards Carol Lane and to the south towards uh the large pocket of wetlands. It slopes about 24 feet from elevation 98 down to 74. So there's quite a bit of grade change that we're we're dealing with uh uh through this
piece of property. And so what the applicant is seeking approval for is a 44 is 39 single family uh single family homes access to the property is from Carol Lane which is a
50 foot wide public right ofway uh off of Suddy Avenue. Uh we are extending Carol Lane approximately 1,800 square 1,800 linear feet in in kind of a looped configuration as a private roadway. Um to to provide frontage for each of the
single family homes. Uh the density based on the 39 single family homes on this 9.07 uh acre area is about 4.3 units per acre which is compliant uh with the redevelopment plan. Uh the lots vary in
size from about 5,000 square feet uh for one of these typical rectangular shaped lots that are 50 by 100 in dimension and up to uh the largest lot I believe is 10,681 square feet. And that's one of these corner lots where uh the property kind
of jogs back a little bit deeper and the the lot is a little bit more irregularly shaped. Uh the each home it uh requires a setback of 20 feet along the front, 12 feet on either side, and 35 ft from the
rear. And the homes vary in size from about 1,900 square ft to 2100 square ft uh in in total uh floor area. Now, this complies with all of the redevelopment plan requirements for maximum building
coverage uh of 20% permitted and maximum height of not more than 30 feet. Uh the design uh and architectural design comply completely with the redevelopment plan. Uh each home uh contains a single car garage and a 12- foot wide driveway
that extends uh uh to the Carol Lane extens extended road providing two parking spaces for each uh each single family home which again is compliant with the re redevelopment plan and RSIS standards. Uh there's sidewalk provided along both sides of the road to allow
for pedestrian uh passive recreation and exercise. Uh and and it leads down to um one of the non-s single family lots, which is lot one is an open space lot that provides uh a nice landscaping
area, gazebo, and a couple benches for residents to uh get a little passive uh exercise and sit down in a nice uh landscaped area. The remaining three or four lots are uh three lots for storm water basins. There's one centrally
located in the middle of the site. uh another one at nor near the southwest portion of the uh improvements and the one at the southeast side of the site and again that's you know with this with the grade the existing grade of the site grading towards the south the basins are
located middle to to the south end of the the single family subdivision and then the final lot again is within uh the private roadway uh that is to be owned and maintained by an HOA that will be created as part of this project to uh
gener essentially maintain everything that comes along with uh this age restricted housing development. Uh regarding storm water management the property the project is a major development since it and it triggers storm water management being over an acre of disturbance and greater than a
quarter acre of increased impervious coverage. Uh the applicant proposes to construct a conventional storm water system consisting of underground pipes catch basins which will convey runoff to uh the multiple bio retention basins. Um due to the the significant slope from
one side of the site, there'll also be a drainage swale that runs along the the rear of each of the properties uh which will convey some of the offsite drainage and storm water runoff that since kind of this whole area drains to the south. We have a significant drainage area uh
to to try and bypass some of the storm water runoff around our basins through a swale um and to the wetlands beyond our site which is maintaining the existing drainage pattern uh that exists today. We're following all green infrastructure
requirements by providing bio retention basins which will achieve uh multiple uh functions in the storm water design. one being water quality um which we're we're achieving uh 80% TSS removal for all uh
for all pavement surfaces and secondly for runoff quantity reductions to to meet all requirements of the D municipality uh county and and soil erosion. Uh our design uh certainly complies with all of these requirements
um utilizing this green infrastructure uh design. Uh moving on to utilities. Um sewer is available in Suddy Avenue. So we're providing a a sewer main extension that will service each of the 39 homes. And similarly with water, gas, electric,
uh utility connections will all be serviced from existing infrastructure within SU Avenue. And then finally, fiber optics, which is going to be provided or is provided uh on the plans along both the frontages along both
sides of the roads. So that when uh you know high-speed you know internet broadband think FiOS is is available in the area we'll have these fiber optics conduit fiber optics conduits um available for for the residents to to
obtain that service. Uh moving on to to landscape. You'll see we've provided a s substantial amount of landscaping throughout the site uh including uh nice perimeter landscaping uh utilizing evergreen trees and shade
trees to provide some buffering between the new development and existing single family residences to the west. Um in total we're providing 152 shade trees, 161 evergreens, 24 flowering trees, and 88 shrubs. Um we we did provide with
this latest resubmission a tree replacement calculations um by going out to the site and and taking some tree counts uh in a tree plot and then uh prorating it across the site uh based on the amount of wooded area. And so that's that's within the
site plan set. Uh and finally for for lighting design, uh we've designed the site utilizing 16 polemounted LED lantern style fixtures, which are more decorative and uh residential looking. Kind of a nicer look than than some of
the the taller industrial commercial uh light fixtures. and they're mounted at um I believe 14 feet high to provide uh an average of about 64 foot candles uh through the roadway to provide safe and
adequate lighting to the development um without getting too bright since this is a residential development. Um and that really finishes my direct testimony on site A. So, if there's any
questions from the board or uh that anyone has, be happy to answer on this before I move on to site B and the multif family. >> Uh madame chair, this is Mayor Waller, I just have one question. Um Mr. Clay, the subtly portion of where there's no
sidewalk going out to Carol Lane, and is there a reason why there's no sidewalk on that side? >> Uh no, it was just because we're tying into the existing sidewalk on Carol Lane. So that's really the main reason is that there's existing sidewalk there that we're connecting to. So we just have to do is you got you're going to have to run the sidewalk on that
southerntherly side. >> Okay. I I don't think that should be an issue. >> Okay. >> Any other questions of the board members of this part of portion of the testimony so far? >> Madam Chair, if I could um just go ahead if you Thank you very much. um if you
don't mind just could you point out on the map again where the wetlands are um in relation to the development. >> So really the wetlands are right along the back of the subdivision line. You can see this this dark black line here
is the limit of wetlands. >> So it runs right along the the perimeter of the subdivision and then from that uh wetlands line is a 50- foot buffer. So it actually encroaches onto the site slightly uh which will be requiring a DP
permit for >> Did you mention there were a couple of other pockets on this site? I thought >> yes, there's three isolated pockets. Uh it's there it's a little over a half acre uh of isolated wetlands which were
permitted to fill up to an acre on any property. So we're uh applying to the D to fill those isolated pockets. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions from the members of the board? >> Madam Chair, this is Carol Sonners. I
had a question. Are there going to be sheds on these smaller properties? >> No, I believe it was actually um the town requested that no sheds be permitted on the properties. And and since an HOA will be created to to pretty much fully maintain these
properties, there's less need for, you know, sheds for lawnmowers and that sort of thing. >> All right. Thank you, >> Mr. Barlo. You think we should open up to the public at this point? >> No, Madam Chair, I would open to the public when all of the testimony is ended.
>> Okay. Hearing no further questions from the board at this time, we can >> additional question. >> Okay. >> Where the homes are, Mr. Slay, uh I forgotten the the redevelopment plan. Is there going to be like if somebody wants a patio outside?
Um, as long as the the property m is under the impervious coverage, >> okay, >> permittence, then I I don't believe that was restricted. No. >> Okay. >> Madam Chair, if I may, uh, Doran Corbin, um, Mr. Clay, is the intent to have
basements on these homes? >> No, there's no no basements proposed. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay, I guess you can move on, sir. >> Okay, thank you. Um, so moving on to site B. Again, as I said, these are
really two standalone sites that are separated by that large uh wetland body. Um, for the for site plan B, we're seeking approval for four multif family apartment buildings. Uh the buildings are a mix of three and four stories and
contain 190 apartments and that's uh broken down to 134 two-bedroom apartments and 56 one-bedroom apartments. Um and as stated the developable land of this uh portion of the site like this uh larger lot which
is 33.9 acres the developable area is actually uh more like 16.3 acres due to um the the large area of wetlands. So 16.29 acres is the area that's not wetlands. Um and that provides a net
density of 11.66 units per acre. uh where the redevelopment plan permits 12 units per acre. Uh the complex also includes an 8,000 square foot singlestory clubhouse uh with a pool uh pool shed, large patio area around
the pool and then three pickle pickle ball courts for recreation. This clubhouse is going to be available to the residents of both the multif family and the single family developments. Um access to the site is from the southeast corner. uh on South Washington Avenue.
Uh it's it's a boulevard style entrance where there's a a grass median that separates the ingress and egress lane so we can provide some nice landscaping uh from South Washington Avenue. The entrance is planned to be at the moment right in right out only um as required
by the township unless we we are applying for a left turn in from South Washington Avenue. But we're applying if if the county permits it uh then we will request uh the left turn in and make the uh required improvements as as
determined by the county and uh the town's professionals were were okay with that. Um the layout and circulation were were really dictated due to the constraints of the property. Um, we have an 85 foot front yard setback from South Washington
Avenue, which provides a nice green corridor along South Washington Avenue. Uh, we're constrained to the west by the wetlands and the 50-foot wetlands buffers. And then, um, really within this developable area, we
have a uh, JCPNL overhead wire easement, which is easier to see on the existing conditions plan. really cuts right through the center of our developable area. So, um it took some time to to come up with a layout that really worked
uh due with the constraints and then also with the grade change from the the northeast corner of the property. Uh we have the same about 20 25 ft of grade change uh from north to south. And actually, I didn't um I did mean to touch on the existing conditions of this
portion here. Similar to to the site A, it's mostly open space with some pockets of trees. And again, the only significant improvements on uh this area is that JCPNL easement. And we're we're essentially staying uh out of the uh the
wetland area. Um so going back to uh to to A4 and the the proposed improvements um the constraints really really drove the the access and layout and circulation of
of the site. Uh so the four buildings uh are designated as A through D. Building A is a three-story uh 49,317 square foot building containing 31 units
and it's uh set 86 ft back from the South Washington Avenue right away. Building B is uh a 46,033 square foot building in total and it's actually split three and four story uh with the back half of the building being four
stories and the front half uh being three stories with a rooftop terrace and that was to keep from uh either of the two buildings along the south Washington frontage from being too overbearing along the right of way uh being four stories in height. So we were limited to
three stories. Uh and this building B contains 29 units. Uh the two larger of the four buildings, building C and D, uh are located towards the rear. Each of these buildings are four stories in height with building C being uh a total of 97,833
ft and containing 62 units and building D being uh L L-shaped building, four stories in height, 109,936 ft. And this building contains uh 68 units again for a total of uh 190 units.
Uh the clubhouse, 8,000 foot clubhouse is located at the end of the entrance boulevard. So it does provide a more kind of aesthetic uh look when you enter the the the site. And it's located adjacent to building D. And again, this has uh the pool and patio and and
recreation in the rear. Um, and it's kind of located towards the the middle of the development to provide an easy access for uh for all all residents. The parking field is is more centrally located between all of the buildings.
Uh, and it contains 34 parking spaces and that includes 27 landbank parking spaces if if deemed that uh that we need the parking spaces uh located around the JCPNL uh tower. So, I guess I'll touch
on that in regards to the layout and circulation. The JCPNL tower is located um between buildings B and C and and requires a uh 100 foot buffer or 50 foot on all sides of that tower. So, that that's why we have that large green space there and uh we provided the the
landbank parking around that that green space there if uh if we determine that we we need it. Um each of the spaces are size 9 by 18 and drive aisles are 25 feet wide which is compliant with the redevelopment plan township ordinance
and RSIS requirements. Um, we parked the site at 1.5 spaces per unit in accordance with the the redevelopment plan and uh an additional 14 spaces required for for the clubhouse uh which
brings us into compliance uh with the uh 314 spaces and the complex uh also includes 11 handicap spaces and 44 EV spaces and we we spread those out in near each building. So we have uh two
spaces in front of buildings A and B and then uh two in front of C, two in front of D and then three in front of the clubhouse to to provide uh accessibility to to each of the buildings for for residents and visitors.
Um the layout complies with all required setback and coverage requirements. as I stated, 85 ft from South Washington Avenue, and there's more than enough uh setback space from the rear of the property. Uh as well as the side sideyard setbacks. Um and we're under on
the uh maximum building and and impervious coverages. Uh buildings BC and D are equipped with pickup drop off areas. As you can see, we have these areas where someone can come and and drop someone off towards the front of the building um and kind of allow them to enter the building at the main
entrance uh which each have a a canopy or overhang. Um sidewalk is provided along the frontage of each of these buildings and really interconnects throughout uh the site to provide accessibility and ADA accessibility uh
for all residents and visitors. Um the sidewalk continues to a perimeter walkway which provides some passive or active recreation. There's some there's benches located intermittently along the the walkway to provide areas to to rest
to relax outside. There's a nice roundabout with some landscaping uh behind building B. And then uh the the walkways will connect to the to the clubhouse and uh down to the sidewalk provided along the South Washington
Avenue uh frontage. And you'll see um that along this the perimeter walkway, we provided an additional 10- foot wide strip of uh reinforced grass pavers. This was a requirement of the fire official and it's one of the reasons
that we resubmitted the plans again before this this public meeting to show that um we were able to comply with the fire officials concerns and requirements that uh access for emergency vehicles could be made around the back of the buildings um which we were able to do
that. So each each of the apartment buildings has emergency uh accessibility behind the back of the buildings. And it's not so much as the fire official explained to fight fires, but in case access is needed for a ladder truck for a rescue or or some some sort of rescue
behind the buildings, they wanted emergency vehicles to be able to make that access. But um they said fire actual firefighting would, you know, in in that rare, you know, occurrence would would take place from the the central uh parking area. Uh, and we did we did actually just
recently receive a an approval letter from the fire official saying that we we really complied with all of their comments, their the major concerns, and then we'll work with them for additional hydrants and and fire department connections and that sort of thing. Um, we we also provided four uh dumpster
enclosures, one located near each building. So, uh, near buildings A and B, we have dumpster enclosures, uh, uh, near near South Washington Avenue between the two buildings. Building C has a dumpster enclosure off the the south corner of the building. And then
the fourth dumpster enclosure is between the clubhouse and, uh, building D where uh, the refues will will there's space allotted within the building to collect refues internally. And then uh a member of the building management will bring bring refues and recycling out to to
these enclosures to be picked up by a private hauler. And since it's a private hauler, we can really determine how many pickups are are required. Um I know there's a question about uh the volume of recycling uh that may be required for uh as a
breakdown of each unit and and if we need to, we'll work with the Department of Public Works on that. If we need additional dumpster enclosure space, we can provide it. Um, but feel that, you know, given that these are senior uh age restricted uh homes that, you know, the
same amount of recycling may not be generated as a typical single family residents. Um, but we can certainly work with the Department of Public Works to uh to satisfy their concerns and provide the additional dumpster enclosure area if needed. Um and uh we are providing a freestanding
sign located within that boulevard entrance in the in the center median uh that that will comply with the redevelopment plan. Uh the sign will be a max of 32 square feet uh 6 feet in height and set back 20 ft from the South Washington Avenue public right ofway. Um
and again this uh the site design is is in accordance with the redevelopment plan and RSIS standards. Uh moving on to storm water and utilities. Uh again the the site drains mostly from north to south. We provided
four separate bio retention basins uh which again meet the requirements of of green infrastructure. Uh the basins uh help us meet water quality requirements and runoff quantity requirements.
um and then discharge to uh about about half the site. The two basins near building C and D discharge toward the wetlands and then the other two basins discharge towards uh South Washington Avenue where we'll be running a uh storm water line down South Washington Avenue
to to discharge to the uh nearby drainage ditch that uh crosses South Washington Avenue just a few hundred feet away. Um again the the reasoning behind the the two separate discharge points is that's what it where runoff goes in the existing additions and the the plan is always to try and maintain
existing drainage patterns uh where possible. So the the design really meets all D again D Township municipal county uh soil erosion standards and uh regarding the the additional utilities there's for
South Washington Avenue being such a major road there's not as many utilities nearby on this site we were running a sewer extension approximately uh uh 1,200 feet to the south down the center of South Washington Avenue to connect to the nearest sewer manhole that's at the
intersection with Metler's Lane and we're running an existing uh water man extension to the north. Um that one's about 11, 1100 ft to the north to connect to the nearest existing water man uh closer to Knox Drive where where
the industrial warehouses are located. And then gas electric again will be connecting to existing infrastructure and uh fiber optics will be run along the property frontage as as required.
Uh again, what we're proposing uh a substantial amount of landscaping uh to provide nice uh green uh perimeter and screening along South Washington Avenue um and along the the perimeter to the west and and then in intermittently
throughout the parking lot, each parking aisle uh has a green island between the the head-on parking spaces. and that's to to break up the pavement a little bit to provide some additional greenery and uh and trees throughout uh throughout the site. So, in total, we're providing
73 shade trees, 103 evergreen trees, 83 flowering trees, uh 628 shrubs, and 1,167 ground cover um as shown on the submitted uh landscape plan. So again, uh a substantial amount of landscaping to really make this a nice uh
residential uh community. And uh lastly, lighting. Um we're providing the same decorative lantern style light fixtures. There's 36 of them located throughout the parking lot. Uh mounted at 14 ft in height. And then
where we're more restricted in the JCPNL easement, we we had to raise the elevation of those light fixtures to 18 feet just to cast light a little bit further into that easement without actually placing light fixtures within that JCPNL easement because it it is restricted uh by that utility. So um
again, we're providing uh safe and adequate lighting throughout the facility with a a minimum of 6 foot candles within the parking area and an average of of 1.2 two to to two foot candles uh throughout the the parking and drive aisles. Um which is which is
certainly a safe level without being too bright within a residential complex. Um and again that that really sums up my direct testimony if there's any questions for for site B. >> Okay, members of the board, >> um what questions do you have of Mr.
Zlay? Madame Chair, uh, real quickly, Mr. Slay, um, the landscaped, uh, islands that are in the parking lot there, are they going to be irrigated? >> Um, we don't. >> We don't currently show irrigation. Um,
but being an HOA in property management, um, you know, there there's water circulating throughout the site, so they can be maintained since there'll be management on site. >> All right. Um, I think with the big ones, they should be irrigated because otherwise you're
going to end up with a patch of dead grass out there. I know there's an HOA, but the only way they're going to be able to maintain it. I I'm not going to see somebody constantly running a long hose out there to water it, right? >> Yeah, I I I understand. Um,
>> all right. Here's what here's what we'll do. >> You you'll install um PVC to so as if it's going to be hooked up. Um so it's so it's there on for to
install right there because you know once you once you do the parking lot you're not going to be dig digging the parking lot up to >> to run it. So you got you follow what I'm saying? >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I I it's it's
probably a good idea to do it and you know we don't obviously they don't want to plant all these trees just for them to die. So >> yeah, >> um >> I would just say just have them run the PVC for the piping for the um and those they're out there, right? Right, Dawn? Don't you think they should be should be done that way?
>> Because otherwise I could I could see that all dying off and and just mechanically having somebody run hoses from each building out there, you know, with the cars out there. It's it would be very awkward to be >> and all all too often. I mean, it's our
our landscape architect is he sits in our in our office. So, he is constantly getting complaints about older developments where you have the the landscaping that's died and, you know, they're looking for it to be replaced and it becomes a back and forth as to who is responsible. So, yes, why don't
we just take care of that now? >> Yeah. And we can work with Jonathan uh Rahi and and figure out the the >> total area that should be landscaped or irrigated. >> Okay. like a landscape sprinkler system is what you're invisible. >> Yeah, that's that. Yeah, that's Mr.
Barl. That's what we're looking at. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um uh um we can we can certainly agree to that. I I have been communicating with the uh with the applicant. Uh we can agree to that. Obviously, we'll we'll we'll have to take some time to design it with your professionals to make sure that it's uh
you know what's appropriate, but we can certainly agree to that. >> Yeah. And the only other question is I just want to make sure Mr. Arch, Mr. legislate that the uh there is conduit PB conduit line out there for the fiber optic runs. >> Yes, that'll be along the the property frontage. Correct.
>> And where where is it? Where is that going out to? It's going to go out to South Washington Avenue. Correct. >> It's along Yeah, it's along the South Washington Avenue frontage. >> Okay. And and if I may, just with regard um there was a comment number six in the staff report that you also bring an
easement along the um property line up to the wetlands um to run that that fiber as well. Why not? >> So, yeah, I kind of had a question about that as to what because these two developments are standalone
>> that we're, you know, our intent was to run it along the property frontage and not connect it between the two sites because really there's no no need to and we we'd be crossing the wetlands. So, I wasn't >> All right. So, here here's the story on that. We're in the process of trying to
run fiber optic link with the ecological park across the street. Um, so we're going to have to have it go back to police headquarters, which means it's going through your property out the back way to get it as the clo crow flies. So
that is that is it. So we got to figure out how that's going to go out there and we'll worry about the D stuff later. So, if we can, the only way we can install it is with D's permission and getting that permit. So, as long as if we can word it in a
way that it's conditional on DP granting the approval >> so that doesn't cause us to come back. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Okay. >> They normally for D will allow for security purposes like that uh to go back there to to have
that happen. So, >> and then want to see something large, but if since it's going to be underground, you know, we we'll work uh Mr. Barlo, we'll work out that verbiage in the board of approval. >> Mayor, just so I'm clear, are you
talking or Dawn the the northern edge of the property or the southern of the property? >> So, what it is um actually it's going to be it's going to be along let me just get to the overall. Could we use my exhibit that's here? I can >> probably along the northern Probably
along the northern edge. >> I spoke with our engineer today and he was saying along the northern portion up to where the wetland stops and then as as long as well as the southern portion up to where the wetland is. >> So the north
south of site A >> I'm sorry Tom I over >> the north the northern port the northern extreme border of site B. >> Correct. Chris is showing >> to the south the south portion of site A. So, mayor, it wants to it needs to
come out like on on Sy. >> Yeah. Out to Sudy. >> Okay. >> Whichever way it gets it out to Sud. So along the entire property, southern property line through the wetlands and everything to study out because
>> on the south property >> I mean it's okay if we come out to our park >> because we north or the south. It's just so you just want to get it out to that out to study. >> That's correct. >> So okay >> and we're talking we're we're speaking
about two 4inch PVC pipes. >> Yeah. It looks like if you run it along the northern edge of site B >> kind of run it through the the the storm water lot and then you could put it under the road.
>> That would be the the best route because we we're stopping at someone's somebody else's house in the south direction. This this is the shorter route as well and we are we would be able to tie right into >> we'll take we'll take a look at that with the subject with the engineers because we can always go out through the park to
>> with the PVC. >> Okay, I can I can work with that mayor >> because you know you tie in for the security cameras for the park to for both parks. >> Yeah, we're we're happy to I guess so the idea is to to get from South Washington to Site. That's what we're
>> That's correct. Okay, that was I was I and I apologize because I was confused because I thought it was >> connecting site A to site B for >> Well, we got that that issue too, but if we can get it out to study because either way you're going to connect, >> right? Okay. So, I think I understand it now. Yeah, we
>> we'll work we'll work with the engineers on that. >> We can certainly get some language and get and that we will agree to that. Absolutely. >> Is would the easement be okay to be non-exclusive where additional utilities could run in that easement? So that if we had to connect the utility
between the two sites, we wouldn't have to disturb more than just >> I want to talk about we'll have to talk about that with developers because the only thing is concern because the the fiber it's really security for security stuff, but we'd have we'd have to take a
hard look at that. >> Okay. >> Okay. Well, we I'm sure we can work something out. Okay. We're happy to agree with whatever whatever >> Yeah. >> we end up that works. We're happy with that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. There should be there should be
there should be, you know, conduits for both developments, but then the five, you know, a conduit for the town to get out to to Sunny, whichever way how it happens. >> And we will agree to that. Absolutely. >> Yeah.
Um if I may, Madam Chair, I just have questions with regard to the proposed affordable housing units. Um can you just confirm that the units will be located >> within um each of the buildings? They're not going to be central. They have to be dispersed throughout this development.
Correct. >> You're confirmed. Okay. >> Yeah. And then um this might be more I wasn't sure if your architect was coming on but we do need confirmation that the um the project itself is going to comply with the U-Hack requirements for age
restricted developments and that's something that um you know if your architect could prepare a memo you know as a part of resolution compliance we just have to make sure that we're we are the municipality is getting credits for these units. Um,
>> we're happy to do that. And uh, and Ben Horton is here. He will testify. >> Oh, perfect. Okay. And just one one last question for Mr. Clay. Are there any proposed bike racks? >> Um, >> we don't have any proposed now. No, >> no, you're going to have to get some bike racks.
>> I agree with you. I think we would just encourage people to walk or ride their bikes over to that clubhouse. You know, we don't want to just see everybody moving their cars around on this lot. So I think that should be included as you know as part of this approval.
>> Well I I can u council I I can envision them people using bikes to go to the traffic like to go across the street to the ecological park which is going to have a very large large >> sure >> multi-use bike path out there on acres.
We're happy to put bike uh uh bike racks in and we'll work with your professionals to >> properly. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> Yeah. Hi. >> Topics. >> Yes. Councilman K Hill here. Um on a
couple of questions. I think one of which probably pertains to you know both sites. Um but just uh first if you could zoom in on the um multi- family dwell in the apartments
um closer to the um >> Oh site B. >> Yeah, site B. The the tower again and just I apologize. Just walk me through. So it's a 50 foot setback. I guess some is a little bit larger than others. Um
what what other what other Um, is there anything else around that that tower there? >> Around the specific in this specific location, no, it's just the tower and it contains, you know, multiple lines. Um, there are additional utility poles
>> located uh I don't have them shown on the plan, but located closer to the entrance um that support the lower >> not existing though. >> They're existing. Yes, >> they are. Are those um >> they're they're just util they're not
towers they're standard. Correct. >> Okay. And um so u Mr. Clay just asking because you've done this before. Have you drawn up um plans for other
developments of this nature where a big tower of that nature is kind of like right in the center? Um I mean exa exactly this layout not exactly but we're we're following so the utility company has all sorts of
regulations as far as what's permitted within the easement how close to the easement. So um that that that was part of the design is that there's a minimum distance between corner of building with the 100 foot wide easement which which
extends beyond where the actual wires are. um and that we we maintained those minimum buffers and and did try to configure the buildings so that we didn't have buildings that were just flush flat, you know, right up against that easement. You know, we have
buildings that are kind of caddyy corner at an angle towards the the overhead lines to to make it a little more visually appealing and right >> um not as impactful. >> Understood. Um well, I mean that's a whole other issue. If somebody wants to move in with that big ugly tower there,
so be it. You know, I think people in New Jersey, their hand is forced to to get whatever anyone's willing to develop on to be honest with you. But people want to move there, that's their prerogative. Um, >> we're kind of doing what we can with what we what we have here,
>> right? My concern though is um so a couple things. So that land then is owned by uh you said it was JCPNL, >> correct? There's a it's owned by the >> the owner, but uh there's an easement an non-exclusive easement to JCPNL.
>> Okay. And so how do they access that if they needed to >> if they have to come in and maintain it? I mean, they're granted permission um to to enter the site. And you know, currently there's no access roads or
anything that give them access. Now there's actually a roadway that gives them allows them to access the the lines. >> And um will JCPNL consider some sort of fencing
uh to prevent people from wandering over there, which I'd imagine even though this is senior housing, you may have families visiting, things of that nature. It it feels to me a little bit too um
negligent not to put some some sort of fencing around there. >> Uh what so the plans are currently being reviewed at JCPNL and they're just asking us to you know provide some statements and notes and things on the plans. It's not something that they've
requested and I don't know that they would want really part of the >> I honestly uh Mr. Slay, I don't really don't care what JCPNL wants. >> I'm talking about our residents here in town and protecting them because somebody's going to wander into that
spot. So, I'm going to vote no unless a fence goes up to be honest. And I would encourage everyone else to vote no unless we get a commitment tonight of some sort of protection being put there. Quite frankly, >> if I can just ask Mr. Zle, the
restrictions in the easement are restrictions on um uh buildings and certain structures of a certain height. There is no restriction on walking through that area. It's not a that's not a hazard or anything along those lines. I think I think I think we want to
clarify that um the it's a it's a restriction on certain structures that can be put there because of certain height limitations near the tower. Uh but the 50-ft buffer I don't believe applies to somebody walking through the 50-ft buffer. That is that is permissible and I don't believe that
poses any uh any risk uh to any individual. It's it's a it's more of a height consideration. We can certainly put in plantings. Uh if the if if the board wants us to put in fencing around it to cut that area off. Um we certainly can. I just don't know if there's an
actual hazard associated with it. The easement refer the hazard that the easement is looking to protect against is tall structures that are going to interfere with where the where the tower >> I mean do do any of our professionals know if there's a hazard? I mean, I
don't know of anyone here who lives that close to a power line that size. Does anyone here on the board live that close to a power tower that size who could give me some insight into this? >> I I don't
>> Oh, no. Right. No, because we wouldn't. >> And I don't I mean, honestly, if you want to get an expert on here about that, >> we're happy to put a fence in. Look, Miss Kale, we're happy to put a fence in if you want. I just want to make sure that the the I
>> I just want some clarity here because no one's addressing this. >> Well, my uh Councilman Kale, first of all, I haven't seen the easement, so I don't even know if they'd be allowed to put a fence around. Okay. But does it I mean let's
back up. Okay. Let's just use some common sense here. >> Do any of you live next to a tower of that size? Would you? >> And if you did, would you expect there to be some protections there from
somebody walking that close to it? >> Who's the Who's the um is it JCPNL or PSCJ? JCPNL. >> All right. JCPNL may be a bit more am amicable to certain things. It was PSC
and G. I would just tell you they they do what they want. And you may not want to hear that, but that's true. I had about 15 years in telecom and dealt with both. Uh, basically easements are legal documents and there's certain things you
can and cannot do. And when you impose I mean I would just it you know based on my prior experience in there I had a lot of experience dealing with these companies easements uh you have to look at what the easements worded you can make best efforts to put fences in but
if they can't or they won't they won't >> okay this is not this is less about the people coming before us and more about our own board. I I I'd like to know what you know I mean is this common?
>> Well, if I can I mean what's the experience? What is our expertise? I've seen those towers. They're very large. I mean I'm certainly not the expert. >> All right. I if you want I can add in
weigh in on this because we do have similar instances within our community with the same power line the same easement. Uh we have on the north side of town this this line goes right through Piscataway. We have developments
where there's no fencing out there and people actually use the property underneath of the power line right where the where the stansions are the power lines. You can go out by Lucille Court Dawn in Ray Court out there.
>> Um, as a matter of fact, the uh the board, the zoning board just granted a variance for somebody to work in that that easement just uh within the last year out there. >> It was just a couple months ago actually. Yeah. >> Yeah, a couple months ago.
I mean, my comment with Councilman Cahill, and I understand your your concerns are. The the this tower has been there without a fence around it for God knows how many years. Whether or not somebody wants to live by the tower is a personal choice
to >> people, >> Mr. Barlo, but there wasn't >> I could just finish. >> Okay, fine. the the redevelopment plan that was approved by this board knew of the tower's existence when it approved it and the redevelopment plan doesn't
talk about a fence or anything else. We could ask the applicant and I think the applicants indicated that if if allowed to they would be amendable to putting a a fence around it if the easement allows it but beyond that um
>> m Mr. Barlo if I can add to that. Yeah, >> if we have if we can put a fence around it outside of the easement area to because it's a 50- foot easement around >> 50 foot and 6. Yeah. >> If we can put a fence if we're able to do that, we will certainly do that if that's what the township professionals
want us to do. If we can put it within the easement area, if JCPNL allows us to do that, we will do that as well. We will defer to the township and the township's professionals and the township's desire as to whether they want that that section cordoned off or whether they want it open to allow
people to be able to to uh go under it. The only other I can add is that I have done one other application that involves a uh JCPNL tower of this type and it was located uh it was an industrial uh area so it wasn't in a residence but it was
uh JCPNL uh actually wrote a letter on that that indicated they had no objection to us uh placing a parking lot uh an active parking lot uh right up to where the uh where those stansions were. um as long as it wasn't a building and as long as we uh maintained our lighting
poles in that area under a certain height, they did not have an issue. I can't say that we'll have the same, you know, the same outlook on this, but we're happy to do whatever the board or whatever the township >> I I mean, again, I'm not the expert here and and Mr. Barla, I understand we
approve this. This is the first time I'm seeing these plans. >> Yeah. I'll just say >> I mean I mean I'm honest this first time I'm see for all I know the apartments could have been you know backing up to
it not right sort of you know in a a central area. So, I understand we approved it, >> but just looking at the plan for the very first time and the accessibility
and PS, by the way, yes, it's been there all that time. >> There's no road around it, Mr. Barlo. I mean, I'm sure people might have wandered back there, but this is an invitation. You know, this is centrally located, and I can appreciate
everything that you're all saying. I mean, quite frankly, it still is a thing in my mind. >> That said, I understand that you'll have to go through your thing. I will just
continue to make it noted that that is not something that I would think would be um smart to just let go without even some sort of something to protect people from wandering. That said, um I had some
other questions that we can get on to. Um uh regarding the left turn only with um something that you might be looking to go to the county for off South Washington. Will that require um some of
the right of way uh along uh the South Washington side to be to be taken? Do we know? >> Uh potentially a right-of-way easement is going to be provided. I I think the township is requiring one and the county may require one as well >> for for the left.
>> Correct. >> Right. Okay. >> Um so that would mean land land on the frontage might >> well the easements for the township is required regardless of the left turn but for the county it may be additional. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We Dorian correct me if I'm wrong
in our master plan we haveund a 55 foot right away out there. Then they're they are providing and it's shown on the plan I believe a 14 foot ement along >> that's what I recall as well 14 ft >> 14T >> okay >> um and then um
has any have we thought about uh installing any kind of electrical charging stations for those apartments at all? We have 44 proposed. I think I think we're actually required 45. So, we'll be adding one more than >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. I may have missed the engineer answered my
question. Thank you. Yeah, they're required 45 if we agree to that. I have no other comments. >> Yes, agreed. >> I didn't see that. Um Um and then I'm not even going to bother talking about the the covered parking.
Just as a side note, it it's always curious to me that there's no kind of garages. We had another 55 and older come before me for senior housing and uh just the fact that it is senior housing and it's all exposed parking is always
of curious nature to me. Um why there's no sort of covered parking or parking underneath the buildings, but I get why people don't do that. Not required. Um and one other question with regard back
to site A I think it is right the single family homes. >> Yes. Um, so without basement, um, and I understand those those basins are good enough, but I mean, is there any concern at all for,
um, you know, the weather events that we have here in town, uh, where that water will go um, >> if it's so much without basements? I'm just, and again, not an expert in that field and maybe Mr. you can't answer
that, but in terms of the the big rain events and potential for flooding, that means first floor flooding. >> Uh, well, we're not within a flood hazard area where this site would flood. So, that's not a concern at this site.
And the fact that we don't have basements is actually kind of a safer condition because the water flood first. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Right. So, yeah, the water table's not coming up through the bottom for the through the first floor. And um okay, we have the storm water designed adequately to to convey all storm water uh even
future storm events. >> Thank you. That answered that question. Thank you. >> I have a question if you don't mind. Um >> um yes, go ahead. >> We spoke about >> we spoke about the uh ecological park
across the street. Is there another way for the seniors to go across the street without having to go all the way down to the light? Is there going to be a planned light somewhere in there where the uh where the entrance is or a way that they can maybe cut through the uh
the two dumpster sites along South Washington? There's not a signalized intersection proposed with this application, but I understand it's being looked into when that ecological park is designed that >> uh Mr. So, I I can add into that uh the
county there's going to be a temporary traffic light up there by the adjacent uh north of this uh site and ultimately a new single lines intersection is going to be built for the ecological park
which I'll have a obviously crosswalks and all the necessary federal standards. So, it won't be directly across. they're going to have to go north to where the two um commercial properties, the one
commercial property is next door to access or they can go south at Met at Metler's Lane. So, there'll be two both one north and one south. >> Okay. I was just concerned that they would uh they'd have to walk kind of far
with their bikes or if they're walking >> a signal uh that signal would break up that speed that uh it gets built up there along that strip too if we had to signalize it would break up the tendency to speed during that at that strip. >> Yeah, Madam Chair, I'm going to agree
with you. Um, way back before when we thought the the the other site that is warehouses, we thought that was going to be a mixed use. I know we talked about um a signal there so that people could walk from that area over to the park and
making it one of those kind of crosswalks that would be, you know, maybe brighter colored walkways, you know, the things that would slow people down. And I understand this application is um not doing that. Um, but I wanted to cut in again on something else, but I
don't know, Mr. Cle, if you were talking um or testifying at all about the actual design of the um you know, I have the the drawing of the apartments. >> The architect will discuss the buildings themselves. >> Thank you. Thank you.
>> Sure. >> Any other uh questions of this witness before we open it up to the public? >> Okay. Okay, hearing no questions right now. Um, members of the public, I we're open up to you to have any if you have any questions of Mr. Zetle. He gave
testimonies on both sites. The site for the single family uh homes as well as the site where the apartments will uh be located. If you have any questions, please indicate by uh shaking or raising
your hand or there's a number that you can call if you're calling on by phone. Yeah, if you're on the phone, you'd hit star six. If not, you could raise your hand. >> No, Madam Chair. >> Thank you. Close to the public.
I guess you can call your next witness then. >> Uh thank you. Uh our next witness would be uh John Ray. He's our traffic engineer. >> Okay. >> Uh Chris, I don't know if you uh if you don't mind just stop sharing your screen right now, unless I >> Yeah, Chris, you could leave those that
exhibit up that shows the two sites. I need to swear him in. And can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. >> Uh thank you. Uh so uh John, if you can
please just go over your credentials, uh briefly so the board. >> Sure. Uh I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey. My field of uh specialty is traffic engineering. I have a total of 50 years experience in the traffic engineering field. the last 40 of which have been
doing consulting work here in the state of New Jersey. Uh and I have appeared before this board and many other boards throughout the state as an expert witness uh over the last four years. >> Thank you. He's >> John, you've had an abil uh you've had
the opportunity to look at the site and to uh opine on it. If you can please give benefit of your years of experience. uh been out to the site on numerous occasions to uh look at the existing roadway and traffic conditions in the area. We've done a full traffic
impact analysis dated June 2nd, 2025. Uh dealing with site A first. Uh we will have access to Sudi Avenue via an extension of Carol Lane. We have analyzed the intersection of Suddi
Avenue and Carol Lane for the uh 2028 design year for the project and have determined that that intersection will operate at level of service A, which is an excellent level of service uh with minimal delay uh for the 2028 design
year for both the AM and PM peak street hours. Uh that includes traffic that's generated by the Randolph Phil Elementary School at the end of SY Avenue. We did do the traffic counts when school was in session. Um, with respect to the internal circulation,
just to uh go over what Mr. Zle has testified to, we have what is commonly known as a P loop. P is in Peter. Uh, that will serve as access to the 39 single family homes. The internal street
is dimensioned with a cartway of 30 feet which permits parking on the street according to the RSIS. And so I find that the um the intersection of Carol Lane and Sud Avenue will operate at acceptable levels of service. The site has been designed
in conformance with the RSIS and it is my expectation that traffic will enter and exit the site uh safely and efficiently. uh based on uh those conclusions with respect to site B that is the larger of the two sites of course
190 uh senior apartments are proposed with a divided boulevard to South Washington Avenue. Uh South Washington Avenue is under the jurisdiction of Middle Sex County. So we will have to get a county approval for our access. Uh there has been a discussion earlier
today about whether left turns would be permitted into the site. We will be applying for a left turn into the site. Uh and that will be taken up with the county when the county gets a chance to review that uh information. With respect to any other potential
turning restrictions such as a left turn out, I can tell you that our traffic study concludes that the left turn uh movements out of the driveway, even based on the traffic volumes along South Washington Avenue. Uh the left turn movements out of the side driveway will
operate at level of service During the morning peak hour and E during the afternoon peak hour. And although they are acceptable levels of service, uh we are anticipating that there'll probably be a discussion with the county with respect to uh restricting left turns out
of the site driveway. And the thing I can tell the board is that um if and when that should happen and the county should make that prohibition uh a requirement, there is a reasonable alternative to make the left turn to get back to the north on South Washington
Avenue. uh a motorist can make the right turn, go down to the signal at Metlor Lane, and there's a local street network there that would permit, I guess, what we would call a far side jug handle using Lakeside Drive north and Lake Way.
Uh that motorist can reverse direction, come back to the traffic signal at Metler's Lane, and make a left turn at the traffic signal to go north on on South Washington. So, I think that's a question that still is uh going to be determined by the county, but we do have
a reasonable alternative should the county decide to restrict the left turn movement out. Uh as far as the parking and the internal circulation, uh not to go over everything Chris has uh testified to, uh we do provide adequate parking in accordance with the um
redevelopment plan. 299 parking spaces are required, including the clubhouse parking. We are providing 314 with the um EV credits. So we meet and exceed the uh parking requirement as per the
redevelopment plan. Uh the parking as you can see from the site plan is internal to the four buildings for the most part well distributed so that uh each uh building has access to uh that good central parking area. And um I
guess the only other thing to comment on with respect to South Washington Avenue has a very level and straight alignment in the area and as long as we provide the site triangles that the county will require the site distance along South Washington Avenue will be excellent. So
uh again I find the plans have been designed in accordance with proper traffic engineering principles. We have adequate parking, adequate sight distance and I I find the site will operate safely and efficiently. uh just as site A will. Uh that that's basically
a quick summary of the traffic study. >> Uh thank you, Mr. Ray. Mr. Ray is uh available for questions of the board. >> Members of the board, do you have any questions for Mr. Ray? >> Okay, then I guess we >> Okay, I was going to open it up to the
public, Mr. Arch. Members of the public, um you've heard the testimony of of the traffic engineers. Anyone wishing to ask any questions at this time may indicate by waving your hand or calling dial dialing nine if you have to call by
phone. >> Star six. >> Star six. I'm sorry. >> You're close. It's upside down. >> Yes. You can either raise your hand. It's on the bottom of your screen. Or star six. >> No one, Madam Chair. >> Thank you. Close to the public.
>> All right. Our uh our third and final witness tonight is uh Ben Horton. He is our architect. >> Um I will note uh that uh we were requested by the township to provide um uh examples sort of representative
examples of the single family home. So we will be presenting those. Um I don't want you to think that it's only these examples where we want there to be flexibility for the people that uh are going to be um uh eventually living there. So, uh, this is again, these are
representative to show what can be done there. Uh, but we're not necessarily set in stone that that's exactly what they're going to look like. We just want to give a a range. >> Okay. >> Uh, Mr. Horton could be sworn in. >> Mr. charge. I don't mean to interrupt
you or your presentation, but just I I believe Miss Dolan, the municipalities um traffic expert is on and I just before you move on to the next expert, I just wanted Miss Dolan had any uh questions or concerns with regards to
Mr. Ray's testimony. I know she reviewed it and issued a report if she had any concerns from the township's perspective. >> Thank you. Um I have no issues. I'm comfortable with the analysis and uh I am very comfortable with the testimony
provided by Mr. Ray. >> That's what I thought you might say, but I just wanted to make sure you had a chance to say it. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. B. I always appreciate being interrupted for something as positive as that. >> No problem. You You may continue, Mr.
George. >> Uh, all right. I think we are swearing in Mr. Horton. >> Horton. Yes. Mr. Horton, can you please raise your right hand? seeing him >> right here. >> Oh, okay. >> Do you swear that the testimony about to give will be the truth and nothing but
the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. All right, Ben, if you can please just uh give the board your some of your qualifications so that you can be accepted. >> Absolutely. Uh my name is Benjamin Horton. H O R Ten. I'm with Ben Horton
Architecture and Design located at 312 State Route 10, Randolph, New Jersey. I'm the principal of the firm. I started the company in 2000. Uh my background is I received my bachelor of fine arts degree at Carnegie Melon University and then I received my master of archite
master of architecture at Yale University. Um after graduation, I work for two major firms, international firms, Canon Design and Gensler. Gensler is one of the largest firms in the world. I work with those companies for several years. Um, and after gaining
some experience, I started my company in 2000. So, I've been in business for about 25 years. I I appear before Piscataway on a few occasions. Uh, I've testified in many municipalities. Uh, I'm licensed in New Jersey,
Pennsylvania, New York, and numerous other states. Um, that's my credentials. >> Thank you. So, you're acceptable. Thank you. >> All right, Mr. Horton, if you can please uh show us what uh what everything's going to look like. >> Okay. Uh
let me share my screen. Uh can everyone see this? >> Yes. >> Okay, great. Um I think I'm going to start first with the uh the residential um the single family homes first because uh that's in
sequence with the uh the application. So, let me go there first. Sorry, >> Mr. Arch. Are these uh exhibits that were prepared for the hearing this evening or were these submitted as part of the package already? >> I believe these were already submitted.
I think we had submitted colorized ones. Um, but uh I'll I'll defer to to Mr. Horton if there's anything that wasn't that you created specifically for this uh hearing >> for these single family homes. they were submitted um later. Uh the rendering for
the single family home here, there's a set of renderings that is colorized that has not been submitted. So I would say that's an exhibit. >> So on an abundance of course caution, Mr. Arch, we'll just everything Mr. Horton puts up I'll just have marked as
an exhibit so we can keep track of it. So >> All right. >> Very good. Um I do apologize where way the uh the tools are shown. I do have to reduce the size of this PDF before I could uh get to the tabs. U the first
set of drawings I want to go through is the architectural plans and elevations and then I would go with the rendering for the single family homes. I think uh Mr. Celeles the civil engineer described the limitation of the sites. uh as you know there are sites that are 5,000
square foot which is the smallest lot and some of those uh larger lots uh I believe he said that goes up to 10,000 square foot. Uh we wanted to give you an example uh on a small lot of a example of a floor plan and we did
a couple floor plans for each uh types. This would be a typical 5,000 square foot lot where you're limited to 20% of uh building coverage. So if you're 5,000 square foot, that means your first floor footprint can't
be bigger than a,000 square feet. So within that envelope, we wanted to give you an idea of what the house could look like. Uh so for example in this option you have this entrance here entrance into a open living room a kitchen dining
area and we thought that some owners may want to have a bedroom on the first floor in case they don't want to go up the up and down the stairs. Um and uh in this unit it also has a onecar garage. The stairs is a U-shaped stairs which uh
has a midlanding which I feel is a more comfortable type of stair. So you take the stairs upstairs and you can see upstairs we have two additional bedrooms uh a large on suite and a separate sort of lounge area and and honestly uh the
homeowners have a lot of uh choices on how they want to rearrange the plan. So we just want to give you an idea this is an example of one floor plan within that this is an example of the elevation and I think the elevation I'm going to save that for the rendering because it tells the picture a little bit better. Uh
another example of the floor plan is simply obviously some of the lots are mirrored uh so we could accommodate that and you can imagine um in some plans you may want to have an
open floor plan uh on the ground floor and no bedrooms on the first floor and all the bedrooms on the second floor. So, we did another layout to show you similar type of floor plan where you have a large open living room, dining room, living room area, uh same onecar garage, and all your bedrooms are
upstairs. Now, I this is very similar to the type of house my mother-in-law lives in. So, um she she's able to manage the stairs, but um they do enjoy having the larger open living area. Um, another type of floor plan we did
was uh slightly larger floor plan. This is type C. So, when you have a lot that's uh larger than 5,000 square foot, you could obviously have a larger footprint. In this case, we showed an example footprint that is um about,300
square footprint. So, you could accommodate that. uh in some of the larger lots you could get even bigger, but we we didn't want to, you know, obviously there's so many choices that you can have. But again, in this option, we showed that you could get a twocar garage in those bigger lots
very comfortably, have an open living room, dining room, kitchen area, and a bedroom on the first floor. And in this case, we made a smaller uh second floor with two bedrooms upstairs, but again, you could probably make that larger if you wanted to um if you were a
homeowner. So, with that same floor footprint, we did another option where you do a bedroom on the F. I'm sorry, this one is just mirrored. Um, but you could imagine, you know, you know, on the ground floor, if you do, if
you have the master bedroom, uh, if somebody didn't want to have a master bedroom, that could easily become an office. There's so many choices that you have. Now, I'm going to go to the, um, the rendering here. So
>> that is A5. >> That's great. So on this rendering for a typical house, we wanted to show you this is one of the smaller homes that's twotory. This is very typical uh siding with some stone details, nice windows.
Um here's another option. Same floor plan, but just different type of material. So, there's a quite a bit of things that you can do with the house just by changing the uh the aesthetic. Now, this not everybody might not like this next uh modern style house I'm
going to show, but I just wanted to show you with the same footprint, there's such a dramatic change that you can make to the design of the house just by changing the uh architecture. Again, this is the same floor plan. Let me show you. Go back to the beginning.
uh one, two, three. And you can see that there's quite a bit of choices that you can make. Now, this is u the same plan with the uh u slightly different floor plan where you don't you have a different entrance door. Again, you
know, you could change the look um quite dramatically by just changing the siding and different colors on the window. And this this is the larger house that has the twocar garage. Again, in this case, you know, you see the difference. It's a wider house, two larger garage. And then
same thing, if you just change the siding material, you could dramatically alter the look of the house. So, that's a example of uh what you can do with those lots. Um those houses, I think you could easily have a footprint that's a
thousand square foot for the smaller lot. And then if you add a second floor on top of that, you could easily make it 2,000 square foot or, you know, within that range. Um, if you get may have a footprint that's a little bit larger, like for example, the 13,000 foot
footprint, you can have a house that's uh, you know, double that, 2600 foot relatively easily. Um, but it's really it gives the homeowner a lot of choices. And I think, you know, when I think of uh senior housing, I think most people are going to want to try to keep the
house small, but then they're going to want to have couple extra rooms so that they could have a study or they could have grandkids come visiting. So, this does give you a lot of options. So, that's the uh single family home. Now, I'm going to go to the multifamily home,
the apartment buildings. This one here, these floor plans were set of floor plans and elevation were submitted to you. Uh, and as you saw, there were five buildings, four apartment buildings and
one uh clubhouse. Uh, there were labeled on the site plan building A, B, C, and D. And then E for the clubhouse. This is building A. You can see on the drawings on the lower right corner, we labeled it as building A. And uh we
provided typical ground floor plan and a typical upper floor plan for each of the building. Um and when you look at the chart, for example, in this building here, top right corner of the drawings, you see a chart that says the number of
onebedrooms and number of two bedrooms. We try to put in more two-bedroom units because uh from a marketing perspective, we find that the two-bedroom units are more desirable because it gives people more flexibility. The other thing to note is that these
units, these apartment units are we we try to make it more desirable by making it making the sizes of the unit uh uh you know very competitive in the market. Um typical one-bedroom units. Let me take you to a floor that has a
onebedroom. Here the blue unit is onebedroom. You can see this is shown at 95 9300 square foot net. Whereas the uh the two-bedroom units are approximately 13,000 1300 square ft. So all the onebedrooms in this complex are
typically in that 900 square foot range. And that's net square foot, not gross. A lot of times when you chopper apartments, uh people are going to show gross numbers just to make it seem bigger, but the net numbers are the numbers uh not including the exterior
walls. Um and they are uh all around 900 square foot plus or minus a few square foot higher, fewer few square foot lower, but it's in that range. You know, as a comparison, what's nice is that when you look at one-bedroom apartments, say in Manhattan, you may have a 600
foot one-bedroom apartment. Here we have 900 square foot. Two-bedroom apartments are around 1,300 square foot, which is, you know, very generous. The room sizes are big. Living areas are very generous. Each of the building, uh, I I would like
you to note that, you know, they have elevators. are going to be fully accessible, handicap accessible. They're going to have their own little lounge areas and activity rooms as well as, you know, the shared clubhouse that the everyone's going to have access to. And
one of the things that the township you you request that we include is that each building have a a roof garden so that they have some uh nice roof uh areas to uh relax in on their roof. Now again, the elevations of the
building, I'm going to defer to the rendering because I think that tells a better story. But I think one of the things I would note with the floor plan, you can see we took care to kind of jog the walls along the perimeter. So they're not always flat because I think you've seen a lot of buildings that are
just simple flat and not attractive. We try to add these bumps to make the building look a little more attractive as they as you build them threedimensionally. Uh again this is building B. Same thing you got the ground floor with shared uh
lobby elevators and amenity spaces. U you got series of one bedrooms and two bedroom units. And then uh there's a a roof terrace here at the top floor. And this building here is um fourstory on the left side
and threetory on the right side. Again, that was um the civil engineer and uh my office and the township uh professionals. We spent some time talking about what portions of the building should be three stories and what portions of the building should be
four story. That um uh and this is the result of building B. Uh building C, same, it's very similar as the other buildings. Ground floor, you have the nice lobby area. uh amenity spaces, elevators, uh typical upper
floors. You have the the combination of onebedroom and two-bedroom units. You can see it varies. And this one uh is a fourstory building. Um this is fourstory all the way across. Whereas, uh some of the buildings is threetory
for a portion of the building. This is fourtory all the way across. And we will have a a roof patio uh on this building as well. Uh this is the the last building, building D, which is the L-shaped one located next to the clubhouse. U this
one again uh a ground floor with the lobby um and all those amenity spaces and then you have you can see the combination of one bedroom and the two bedrooms. And this is also a four-story building. Now, the clubhouse
is going to um have a large community room, maybe a library, some administrative offices, locker rooms, shower areas for the pool, and a a small uh kitchen to service the uh various activities that might happen in the
multi-purpose room. And this this building is obviously located right next to the uh the pool uh the pool and outdoor amenity space. And this one I I think think again if you let me get to the uh
rendering again this rendering was submitted uh all the apartment buildings have a similar aesthetic where we mix the uh the material so it doesn't look all flat. the walls are going to jog in and out and you're going to have combination of if I could zoom in you
could see uh stone materials, stucco type of materials as well as some sort of like lowmaintenance siding type of material. So we could vary those details as well as adding these u you know decorative uh um
parapits here that has some nice shapes to it. In some cases we're able to put a little perg up on top. So, if it's a three-story building, we'd have a small covered area. On the fourstory buildings, unfortunately, we can't do that because of the height restriction.
But, uh, in most of the buildings, we were able to do a nice covered, uh, roof patio as well. You can see this is a building B where you have a fourstory building and a three-story building. And the roof terrace is located over the three-story building. So, we could have
a little bit of covered porch uh, covered uh, roof terrace there as well. Again, you can see the materials are very similar uh so that they're cohesive from one building to the next. And then this is the building C.
Again, building C is a fourstory building. So, you will have a roof terrace, but uh unfortunately, we won't be able to put a a covered roof because that would exceed the uh the roof height. Building D, same thing. It's a four-story building. It does not have a
a covered roof uh patio, but it will have a roof patio. And there again, the buildings are very similar in nature using the the similar type of materials and making sure the walls all jog in and out
to give it more varied shape. Then the community center takes cues from the apartment buildings and uses those same warm color materials. Uh and it would be made so that the uh you know the the
building have some uh volume to it. So those community rooms will have uh taller ceilings. You can see the u this this is a one-story building, but the uh middle section of the roof is 20 feet high where the main community room is so
that we could have a community room that has a nice tall ceiling at least 10 or 10 feet or higher, possibly even 12 feet high. Okay, so that's it. That's really the uh the five buildings that we provided uh on this property. So, if there's any
questions, >> Ben, if I can just ask one thing before we go to questions, uh just to Dawn's uh earlier point, an earlier question as to uh being able to provide um a uh some sort of certification that we are meeting those uh standards that she asked for. We have no problem doing
that. Correct. >> No, absolutely. All the apartment buildings um you can see is a combination one and twobedroom, and there's a percentage rule you have to follow. Uh it uh off the top of my head uh I believe uh currently it's 20%. It
does change uh every so often but currently my my understanding is 20%. And uh if you look at the floor plan there's no distinction between the units. All the units are really generously sized and I think it doesn't matter. Um my opinion is they should be
treated the same way. And so the subsidized units that are lower income, you can't distinguish it from the other units. They'll be dispersed throughout the buildings and you you won't know the difference. >> Thank you. [Music]
>> Uh Mr. Horton is available for any questions of the board. >> Okay. Members of the board, you have any questions for Mr. Horton? >> Madame Chair, this is Councilwoman Cahill. Um thank you so much. Um a I had just a couple of questions with regard
to the single family homes. So um am I to understand um that the owners sort of will get an option of design in there that they're all not going to be sort of cookie cutter? >> That that's correct. And and I think
what we tried to show because um I think before we uh had the hearing date, the some of the board members asked, you know, can you prepare a floor plan to show what the houses might look like because I I think the you when you have a 5,000 square foot uh lot,
>> the maximum footprint you can do by your ordinance is 1,000 square foot. And within that 1,000 square foot, I I think people, you know, you have to provide a garage based on your ordinance. So you have to have at least one car garage. Uh and then within that the remaining
space, what can you do with it? So I tried to show those floor plan options to to show that. But you know, >> that's great. Just wanted to make sure that that was the case. I I think that's great. Um my other question was pertain to the apartment building with the um
and I know these are just, you know, sort of first renderings with the materials. Um it's hard to and I mean maybe they're listed here. The material it's um going to be like stone.
Is there a particular sort of stone that it's supposed to replicate? I see the one stone. What about just those the section next to it where the Yeah. Right now where your hand is. >> What is that? We're thinking that would
be more like fire fiber cement type of siding material that uh that almost looks like wood, but it's low maintenance. >> Oh, right, right, right. So, it's supposed to look like wood. So, this would be a stone wood. And then is that
lighter material meant to be like um >> like >> a stucco >> or is that also a wood? This also could be that fiber cement type of board or it could be uh the the stucco type of material.
>> Right. But just a lighter in contrast. >> That's right. That's correct. >> Right. Are and just another I see it's a you know not that I totally don't like the the brown tones, the more earthy ones. Are these colors set in stone or
are you still finalizing these plans? >> Well, these materials um I think this is the coloring we during the design stage uh when we were working back with your uh I think u technical
committee we we looked at quite a variety of color options u we because I think one of the questions was you know one of the comment was one they didn't want to see a building that was just completely flat and right >> that was completely uh like monotone
>> and so we looked at options where we vary the vary the materials, you know, to different colors. So, we did some different color options where we tried different colors, actual colors, and ultimately the the neutral tones I think
was more palatable for uh for uh the reviewers. Personally, >> personally, I think we are going to vary the materials. We got three different materials with some trim colors. So, that that does provide quite a bit of variety. >> Okay. And then um just another quick
question. So um I'm not I don't know which rendering of yours has it, but there's one with a large set of So actually on the top picture there that you have >> those three sort of main entrances that
goes into that common area that you were talking about the >> Okay. That that's what >> main >> right the main lobby. And then I have another rendering that kind of looks like there's a handy sort of a handicap
ramp on the side but then steps coming up to a main thing. Um >> this building. >> Yes. >> Is there any particular reason why that looks that way and another building looks sort of like as a flat entrance
coming in? I I think because the grading the way the grading worked on the site plan. >> Oh, okay. >> Entrance here for this building was a little bit higher from the sidewalk. >> This this rendering we try to represent that there's going to be a a elevation
difference at the entrance door and the sidewalk over here. This is a I think uh my staff took a little bit of artistic uh liberty here, but they meant to show that the actual lobby elevation is slightly higher than the uh sidewalk
>> than sidewalk. So there the so if need be, they'll be sort of that gradual for like wheelchair accessibility. >> They're made to be fully 100% accessible. >> Okay. Uh thank you. Th those were all my questions. I appreciate it.
>> Okay. Any other members of the board have questions of Mr. Horton? No questions. Okay, then let's open it up to the public. Members of the public, you've heard Mr. Horton's testimony. Anyone wishing to uh ask questions of
Mr. Horton, you can either raise your hand or push star six. Uh if you have a telephone, a question by telephone. >> Anyone from public? Everyone's unmuted. So >> no one chairwoman. >> All right. Close to the public.
>> Uh thank you. Uh so that is our last witness. Uh just briefly I will uh I will sort of sum up. Uh this is again this is a redevelopment project. We are 100% fully conforming with your redevelopment plan. Uh we are not requesting any deviations. Uh we are
agreeing to all of the uh the comments and suggestions from your professionals and we'll continue to uh work with your professionals to make sure that this is uh dialed in and uh and you know perfectly uh what the township wants. Um we will agree to uh to all the
conditions that were were mentioned here tonight. Um and uh I'm sure each of our professionals will give you their firstborn child if they if they if they want to. Although I think Chris just had a kid, so maybe not him. Uh, but >> I'm an empty neester. I don't want any
more kids. >> Uh, so I guess what I'm saying is uh we we are happy to work with the town and to uh quite frankly make sure that this is uh something that everybody is proud of and we'll continue to work with you. So, thank you for uh for giving us the
time tonight and uh we look forward to uh hopefully getting your approval. Madam Chair, before you go to take it for a vote, um Mr. Arch, I was just curious. I mean, I know that um it's a ways away before these are built, but is
there any indication as to um price ranges that this developer is looking at the kind of, you know, customer, you know, affordability? I I mean, not COA, but you know, just an idea. We don't have any privy to that
yet. I personally have not uh have not had that conversation with the with my um uh client. I can certainly ask him. We're on a text chain. I can ask him uh if he knows that yet. I it might I I kind of guess that it's a little early to be to be guessing what those prices
are going to be. Uh you did mention there is going to be an affordable aspect. So, we are obviously have to follow the the uh the affordable housing aspects with that. Um but I don't know if we have a price range necessarily set yet. >> I appreciate that. And yeah, we and I just got confirmation we we don't have a
range of prices that we think uh we're going to market them at. >> Do we have a do we have a date approximate date when uh they'll be ready the houses as well as the apartments? >> Uh if you ask my client, he he wants them built yesterday. Um uh I I can tell
you that we are if we get your approval here tonight, we are going to be moving uh as quickly as we can to get through all of the other uh approval hurdles that we need to to be able to get building permits. Um I know that they are anxious to to get this uh to get this started. So I can't give you an
approximate time yet. Um but I can tell you that we we we're not going to be sitting on this one. >> If if I could ask one question, which um you have site A and site B. Which pro which section is going to go under construction first? >> Uh that's a good question. Do we have a
uh Chris, do you know if if there is if it's going to be concurrent or if there is any um they're really almost treated as two as two separate because of that separation between them. So I don't see why they couldn't be concurrently uh pursued, but uh I'll I'll leave it to
Chris to see if there's any >> Yeah, I believe they're they're going to be one and then the other. I think just due to financial purposes. Um, at one point I believe that the single family was intended to be first and I just we haven't talked about it in a while so I
don't know if that's still the case. >> Uh, I can add that my my client did indicate by text that uh the intention is they they do want to try to do both at the concurrently. >> So, uh, that's what the intent is going to be. Hopefully, we'll be able to to make that a reality.
>> Um, Madam Chair, I apologize. I did I overlooked one of my questions, Mr. Arch. um with the with the access of the the clubhouse for the folks in the single family home that's going to be I mean in some cases some people might
walk but that's >> essentially a drivable sort of situation right since the wetlands are in between there's >> and um >> and they will need some sort of
>> credentials or something so that you So folks aren't just randomly going to the clubhouse and it's and it's for its owners. Is is that >> I don't even know how that stuff works. Just curious how they keep it to the folks who are paying into the HOA and
things of that nature. >> Yeah, I I I can only assume I I don't know if we if we've gone into that detail. I can assume that the HOA will provide uh some form of a credential uh you know number of passes or something to the to the individuals that they'll have to uh show to get in there. I know
in in previous uh apartment complexes that I've lived in, there have been, you know, you need to have like either key card access or some sort of uh way to access the the clubhouse facilities. And I imagine it'll be something uh similar to that. I believe a key fob system, but that'll be sorted out with the HOA.
>> You know what? So, that brings up a question. So, with the with the accessibility for the folks in the single family home who I don't know and how many what percentage of folks are going to take their car? or I'd imagine quite a few
will bring their that that parking aotment I'm asking maybe our town professionals we've taken into consideration right folks coming from single family homes with their cars to access the community center there >> the clubhouse required 14 additional parking spaces
>> okay >> that that was what was determined >> thank you okay are we good um do I have a motion [Music] accept this. >> Go ahead, Mr. Foster.
>> Accept this. >> Oh, is that you, Mr. Atkins? >> Mr. Foster. >> Mr. Foster. I didn't see >> move the application with all the conditions agreed to by Mr. Archer. Correct, Mr. Foster.
>> Is that true? >> I think he said yes. Just hard to hear. >> Okay. Is there Okay. >> Is there a second? I'll second >> second.
>> Okay. Roll call, please. Mayor Waller. >> Uh, yes. With to make sure with a caveat with the list of all the conditions and everything that we spoke about here. >> Mr. Arch is nodding his head in agreement. >> Yes.
>> Counciloman Cahillo. >> Yes. And I'm just going to ditto what the mayor said. >> Miss Corkran. >> Yes. >> Miss Saunders. >> Yes. >> Mr. Atkins. >> Yes. >> Mr. Foster. >> Yes. And Madame Chair,
>> yes, >> Mr. Barley, you would would you like to enumerate the conditions? >> It might take the might might add to the meeting, but um Mr. I I have a list of them and Mr. >> Let's just put it this way, Mr. Barl. It'll be on the board approval
conditions in the memorialization. >> Yes, >> 100%. It'll all be uh encompassed in in the resolution for next month. Mr. Arch, if I could just ask um your engineers exhibits one through four, if you could make sure um he emails them to Miss
Buckley. >> Yes. Uh we'll provide those as well as Mr. Horton's exhibit as well. >> Thank you. >> And Mr. Barlo, if you miss any of the conditions, I'll make sure to remind you. >> If you don't, I'm sure the mayor or Miss Corkin will.
>> Um >> thank you everybody. Have a wonderful evening. >> Thank you. Everybody mo motion to adjurnn. >> So move. >> Yeah. Second. >> And happy Halloween everybody. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you. and
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