Good evening everyone. This is the city council work meeting. Today is November the 17th, 2025 and the time is 6:30 p.m. This meeting has been duly advertised in the city newspapers in conformance with
the open public meetings act otherwise known as the sunshine law. Roll call, please. Camel >> here. >> Bona, >> present. >> Art Clay, >> present. >> Bettis, >> present. >> Swept here. >> Thomas, >> present. All
>> may I have approval of previous minutes? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Madam clerk, >> first on the agenda is ordinance number 15, first reading. Amen. Ordinance number 24-205
which created departments, divisions, and positions in the city. >> Um, Mr. Be. >> Yes. position. >> Um, >> okay. So, um, Jackie holds this position
currently along with our UZ and our MP um positions. As you all know, she's retiring. This position is to replace her duties as the uh community um improvement. >> Thank you.
Madam cler resolution 209 granting approval of a Thanksgiving food distribution in the city on November the 22nd 11 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. at the city hall. Resolution 210 grant approval of a
Thanksgiving food distribution in the city on Tuesday, November the 25th from 400 pm to 8:00 p.m. at West Jersey Avenue uh through the JVS Mexican Food. >> Anyone have any questions?
Um Mr. Law for um resolution 210, can you make sure we get the flyer for that? >> Absolutely. Sure. >> Thank you. There is no flyer as of now. >> As of yet? >> Yeah, as of yet. I'm not quite sure if
they will. We do have the flyer for 29 and that's on our website. I'm not quite sure if she will have a fly. >> If so, I will distribute it. >> Thank you. Tell her to >> Yeah,
she's busy. I'll see if she have one. Yeah. >> Okay. We would just like to spread the word >> where she's going to be located. It's going to be the word going to be spread. But if I see anything in writing, I definitely will uh dissipate it. >> Thank you.
>> You're welcome. >> Resolution 211, the city council pledged a hearing for ongoing training. >> Any questions? Council seeing none. Resolution 212 authorize a budget transfer for fiscal year 2025
appropriate issues. >> Any questions? Council seems to review the bills. >> Yes ma'am. Coming on down. The price is right. >> Good evening.
>> Good evening. So, uh you I stapled together the first page reads on the top in the middle check uh check register by date. Um the item there is um 1 hour heating
and air conditioning for $1,89355. And this is for the bus station that the heater went. It was corrected is and now it's um functioning. So, if you flip two pages over on the top of the page,
uh, where it says purchase order listing, um, line vendor number 00411, easy glass. Yes. So, um the easy pass, we uh will provide a report as to who has them and
um who's going through the easy pass for training classes, whatever it may be. And that report is forthcoming. So, and and I bring this up because Mr. Bettis called called me about it. He also spoke to Mr. Laws and we're going
to get together. I know that I had the list last year in 24 but in transition from one office to another is somewhere packed but we will get that. Then the next item I just want everyone to uh uh look at the ACUA.
So we are paying $150,000 in $150,4262 of recycling. A great part of that money is coming from grants over the past couple of years.
And then of course we have um our traditional uh waste and uh trash collection and that's $587,18787 for a total payable to ACUA of $737,00059049. Uh page two.
Um second line is uh Bruno Associates. Uh that's one of our grant consultants for $14,000. Um also a question came up with um Huber Locks. That's like kind of in the middle of the page. 20597.
That's the vendor number on to your part left. And that was for the police department back door that needed to be replaced and secured. And that's $875. If you flip over to page three for
purchase order listing, um we have uh you have two months of payment to the board of education for a million729,66. The monthly payment is 864,533. And that concludes the the bill list.
Any questions? >> Um, yes. Miss Numez, for ACUA for the 150,000, you said that's for um that payment. Well, grants paid for this payment. Not all of it, but we've had accumulated grants. We talk about the
recycling grants. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. >> Council, anyone else have any questions for Miss? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Mayor no one has anything. May I have a motion
to close the work session? >> Motion. >> I have a second. >> All in favor? Good evening everyone. This is the city council meeting. Today is November the 17th, 2025 and the time is 6:30.
This meeting has been duly advertised in the city newspapers in conformance with the open public meetings act otherwise known as the sunshine law. Please stand for invocation and bless you. We going
to have a song of prayer, please. >> Amen. Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and
justice for all. Thank you. >> Familo >> here. >> Present. >> Old >> present. >> Bettis >> present. >> Thomas >> present. All in favor? >> May I have a motion to dispense previous
minutes? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Mayor, you have anything this evening? >> I do not. >> All right. Thank you. Next, we have a public portion. We have Phil Mitchnik
here. >> Hello. How are you? Um, small is here. Uh, a tree fell on my uh property fence in August and uh >> I'm sorry. What was your address? >> Huh? >> Your address?
>> 601 Woodland Avenue. >> Okay, thank you. >> Yeah. and uh township thanks uh removed the tree but uh debris of the fence left
and the estimate to restore it is $1750. I got a few they about the same. Uh, I've got a contact of uh claim adjuster at company um
QL links and this is what eventually the claim adjuster wrote in. I'm in receipt of your email. We operate under title 59 as a public
entity and had no prior notice of the potential dangerous >> okay you go continue I'm sorry >> so that she says were directed under title 59
as a public entity and had no prior notice of the potential dangerous tradition, we stand by by our denial. In other words, she said
that we should know beforehand that a tree on the public propert. Can you imagine that? I don't want to go to a court because I
think you can do it right without and uh that's about it. >> Uh I can pass you >> council president to you. So just just so council knows that's based upon a notice of claim. Apparently you filed a
notice of claim. Correct. Huh? >> You file a notice of claim with the city. >> Of course. That is why CPA moves it. >> Right. So, you file a notice of claim. Whatever additional he wanted, it goes through the third party administrative qual. They sent him a declination
letter. Okay. These are provisions under title 59, which is a New Jersey tort claims act. They have certain provisions for government. And so the only thing that council can do is abide by the determination of qua links unless they decide otherwise. They can caucus in
executive session if they so choose tonight or another night to determine whether or not they want to take some other action. But to some extent we are bound by the declination of the third party administrator. >> Um
I don't understand >> qualinks. They're they're kind of >> I know I know but I don't understand why anybody should stay by the decision because this decision just >> it just
>> I understand personal princip >> so sir I I can't explain so let me speak I can't explain the law to you right it would it it it's not something that I can do I'm trying to give some insight I wanted to give council some idea um public entities are afforded um certain
responsibilities as well as immunities that maybe private entities are not and that's when I indicated something called the tort claims act um because public is for the public good right so all the money that's expended is taxpayer money so the rationale may not seem um
necessarily just to you but there are thresholds that have to be met in order for taxpayer monies to be expended on claims um unless the entity decides otherwise. But that is the finding of the
organization or the entity that we have hired that we've retained to be able to look and investigate these things. So no one council person or the VA made that determination. We rely on that company to do that as do every public entity as does every public entity in the state of
New Jersey. So what I would suggest that you do is speak with the business administrator. you've already placed it on the record. You can speak with the business. >> Correct. And he can look at the declination and he can speak um during um the the finance committee meeting or
one of those meetings about it. >> When >> well you can organize yourself with him whenever he's available. >> Just call my office instead of >> you need the copy before. >> You can but you have >> you're going to have it. Your office gets a copy of it.
>> Okay. I'll have a copy. So >> thank you. Thank you. >> Do you need his phone number or >> so? You have the number right here. >> Yeah. Phone, email, everything. >> This is a claim we submitted. Second
page and third page is estimate. I have one more. >> It's very faint. Would you write it again? Just write it a little darker. But I did. >> I see I see part of it. It's a 222, right?
>> Yeah. So, if you just bring your right over it. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Next, we have Mr. Tim Jones. >> Good evening everyone. >> Good evening. Ladies and gentlemen,
as you know, there are some issues that were came into the news this last week and I understand that these are being addressed by um the parties of um interest and concern in terms of authorities to the state level etc. One of the things you have on your agenda
tonight is resolution 211 and it says here in the statement the city council pledging to adhere to or ongoing training. Um, I would just like to encourage the city to kind of take a more um more in-depth and more perhaps more definitive and more standing
position. I don't know the legalities between a resolution and the ordinance, but I, as I said, as a community member, um, the members of our city council, our city government, they need to know what they're doing. They need training. Um, I did some research and I would just like to give a little insight to what's
available. The New Jersey League of Municipalities offers training to city council persons and other elected municipal officials. They provide a variety of in-person and virtual training programs throughout the year on a broad range of municipal subjects. These include orientation uh for
municipal officials held in January and February designed for newly elected, reelected or experienced officials to get up to date on information important um to municipal issues, responsibilities and key contacts. Budgeting for elected officials, a
program focused on understanding the municipal budget process. a lunch and learn sessions which are hour-long briefings on current municipal issues by state and federal experts. Educational sessions at the annual league conference which is held every uh
um um year the week before Thanksgiving. This training helps the city council members and other city officials stay informed and be effective in his roles. Now, as you know, that convention I believe comes right to Atlantic City and I believe most of you you'll probably attend this thing. But, you know, as I'm
a former NGA member and as I know, NGA also has these type of situations where you have workshops at these conventions where you can go and you have a session of 45 minutes or so in a session. That's not training. Uh I I would actually asked the city to give consideration to
put it in law that the city council member and the mayor be required to at a specific amount of time just like a school board member undergo training that's certified by the New Jersey League of M municipalities so that everybody who has a job representing our
city's interest has the ability to actually serve that function. And we're asking if we actually demand this as a community that you give a stronger consideration to a making that city law or ordinance. And I really don't know the difference between the two in this matter. >> I have a copy of the resolution and
such. >> Great. But again, you know, this is a resolution as I understand a resolution and an ordinance have a different legal standing and a different amount of No, >> not really. It's usually dealing with money. That's when you do ordinances or projects that are going to be long-term.
It's legislation, but it's one thing I you have to keep in mind is that elected officials, let's say for instance, they don't adhere. How >> how are you going to do it? >> How do you enforce, >> right? Because they're elected by the people. I know this is a complicated issue, >> but this is a pledge, which is why it's a pledge, and many of the things that
you've indicated are in the resolution that they will attend the newly elected um uh seminars and training through the New Jersey League of Municipal that they'll also go for the municipal GIF at least twice during their term, during each term, at least twice. And they're
going they're registered for the League of Municipalities this year as well. So, I know where this is arising from even though you're looking at the resolution. And I think that council is taking this very seriously. >> Right. >> Very good. I'm glad to hear that cuz you we want confident and knowledgeable
people leaving our city. >> You y'all do the homework. I'm too old. I'm retired. >> Never too old. >> Next we have Franklin Gomez. Good evening, mayor, council members, and everyone here tonight.
>> Thank you for giving me a moment to speak. This is my first time. >> Sorry, take your time. >> So, uh, my name is Franklin Gomez. I'm a founder of Park Legacy Project. It's a nonprofit based here in Atlantic County that provides clean drinking water to
families in need. I'm also a homeowner in Pleasantville, right over at Lintav. Um, I serve in the Army National Guard and I'm an on call firefighter with the New Jersey Forest Fire Service. So, serving the community means a lot to me. Trust me, it's it's I get so much
satisfaction out of helping others. Um, so my nonprofit truly does mean a lot for me. Uh, since starting in the summer, we've helped close to around 200 people across Atlantic County. Just this past Monday, in fact, me and Councilman Carmona did the biggest war distribution
I've done yet for my nonprofit. We helped over 100 households, roughly about 420 individuals in less than 3 hours. Um, so much so that I expected to only use up two pounds of water using double that. So, I was really surprised,
you know. Um, but I believe is a strong community. I'm here to help keep building this city just like all of you are. Um, and I hope we can continue working together. Uh, I hope to be more present here more actively. Um, and hopefully during the holidays we can
help families in need. Um, as I said, my nonprofit focus is on distributing water. Um, so everyone needs to hydrate. Everyone needs water. We're all water bags at the end of the day. Um, so um, so I'm definitely here and um, just want to thank you all for your time. If you
have any questions or any of you who like to reach out to me, I'm I'm very approachable, I hope. And uh thank you again and I'm very grateful to be part of this community. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good luck. >> Nice to meet you.
>> Liz, he didn't get to sign another sign. Are you finished with the list? >> Aaron. >> What's your name, sir? For Mr. >> Next, we have Mr. Baby at the car. I thought you missed.
>> Oh, thank you. I did go back up to >> Hello everyone. >> Hello. >> Um, I have a question. Um, has the situation on Floral Avenue been taken care of yet with the uh the sewage
coming up from the street? Um the residents there are having issues with um the system, the gutter system, whatever it is, uh feces and and uh uh whatnot is coming up on the street. Has that been taken care of?
>> What part of street that would be on the west side? >> The matter has been addressed. The matter has a couple. uh the final uh mediation should have solved the problems. We're not, you know, I'm told.
Um but uh kind of it's like one of those things to see if anything happens again because all the I I I can tell you they've been out there a couple times. They've been out there a few times, but the the last one should have remediated the issue. Um and Mr. Mock from our
sewer department has >> assured me that this matter has been addressed and debated. Okay. Um, this the other thing is a little disturbing to me. Maybe I don't have um complete knowledge of this, but I have
the letter from the office of the state controller. All right. In regards to payout, a payout to our former business administrator. Um it states it was revealed that the city
improperly paid its former business administrator uh a total of $165,000. A little bit more over than that. 83,987 was paid uh in accumulated sick leave
when the VA was not entitled to its to its to to this. As a matter of law, the city must take steps to recover that money. The balance of $81,000 was paid to the VA as severance. The
city's policy regarding severance pay, while not illegal, was wasteful, and should be eliminated. the OSC's findings with with this regarding matter the both
issues are set out more fully below. Um are we have do we have any intentions of getting this money back? Our taxes are going up. Um I know we're all you guys always say, "Oh, we don't
have any money." All right. um to do anything, but it seems like you have money to to pay out. >> Um >> so, Mr. Carson, yes, we are um working to recoup our money, but um Mad
Solicitor, I'm not sure how much, you know, we can save here. >> So, the letter that he's reading is public, >> right? And so it's it's it's subject to discussion >> to the extent that we don't go into anything that may be um legal or litigation of which there is none right
now. Okay. But the letter is public. Um he's entitled to ask those questions. Efforts have been made um in response to the state comprollers's recommendation to recoup the money and there is discussion taking place on um ensuring
that it's recouped if our current mechanism doesn't work. The personnel manual has already been drafted and to be readdopted removing certain provisions that where this additional payout was made um as well as other things and other safeguards to prevent
excessive monies being paid out in severance packages to people. Um and so it's a work in progress and I guess it's a teachable moment for council for the city unfortunately. But I do want to correct you. It wasn't $165,000 improperly paid. was 83,000 because the
rest of it was part of the adopted personnel manual. So, notwithstanding the fact that maybe it didn't look that favorable or something that maybe was excessive, it was not illegal or in inappropriate. So, but the $83,000 there
is a um we're undergoing conversations about how not in addition to what was supplied to the state comproller which we're not entitled to talk about yet because that's still a deliberative work product. So, that document is public. um the co corrective action plan which has
been submitted to the state is still in draft so we can't discuss that publicly and that lays out a lot of the remedies and things that um that the council and the city is planning on doing to correct a lot of things. >> Okay.
I have questions of my time. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have Linda Carson. >> Good afternoon everybody. Um to say the least I'm very disenfranchised
and I really don't have much much trust in our city government and I say that with a passion because how many of you are senior citizens on that board? You don't have to say I I
can kind of point you out. So the thing is this right? We're mis having our go our monies in this city and it's costing us it's costing us big and it
seems like our government is not being transparent with us. Um we want to be in the know and we come to know but it seems like everything is hard to get or nobody knows anything.
The thing the other thing is that so we paid out this big cash payout. Do we have anybody who is going to update our antiquated laws, ordinances, and statutes? And if we do, when are we
going to start to update them? >> We're doing right now. >> That's what you're doing now. >> Right now. >> Okay. So, so I I' I've experienced a bad experience last week. I wanted to go to the Amish country with the senior
citizens. This be my first time ever, but I couldn't go. Not because I didn't want to go, but because there was no room for me. Only 16 seniors were allowed to go. All the
rest of us had to stay back. >> Well, I just I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. Last Thursday However, we have money to pay severance to somebody who resigns. We have money to pay someone uh uh sick
leave who resigns. I don't understand. And the cap is 15,000. I don't understand why seniors in our city can't enjoy going on a trip. When I looked again Atlantic City, they
had a big senior pageant this weekend and I was oh so jealous again. Councilman people, I am disenfranchised. I want my council person to know who I am. I want my council person to work. I
need my council person to have their boots on the ground. I need your ear to the pavement. I need you to hear me. You're not elected to be declarations on on the dis. You're here to work. You're
here to work. Whatever that means for your constituents. Please, please keep us in mind. Please don't trample over us. Please don't ignore us. Please take your jobs very
seriously. I know that something is in the work now, but it's always after the horse is out the gate. There's no vision of being proactive. It's always reactive.
And that's not how governments are run. And when you do this on the backs of the constituents, which includes you, when this is done on the backs of the constituents, it's very disenfranchising.
It hurts people. It's not a good look. It's not a good look. We're told not to compare ourselves to Atlantic City or other neighboring cities. Why can't I Why can't I Why can't I point out the
positives in another city and wish we had it in this one? Why can't I do that? >> Right? >> Why can't I do that? Why can't Why? Why can't I? >> It's carried. >> I understand. And I know you're going to shut me up. >> No, I'm not going to shut you up. I'm just going to tell you that you can Can
you wrap it up, please? >> Okay, I'm going to wrap it up, >> but 3 minutes is not enough time to air your business. And I get it. I know you want to go home. I understand. And I know that and I can't get in contact with council people. >> No, I It's not that I want to go home. It's just
>> I understand. And I get it. But 3 minutes is not enough time for me to air my grievance because we are under a mountain of of mismanagement and we don't know what to do. We don't
know what to do. I want to talk to the business administrator because I want to know about the grant writer. I want to know why our neighboring cities can thrive and this one is not. I deserve an answer. I don't want a generic answer. I
want a true answer. And I want it for everybody, not just me. I want it for everybody. That's all I have to say. >> No, Miss Carrington. Um, you have our number? >> No, I don't. But there's no there's no reason why you can't, you know, commute with me. That's all. Just contact Cara,
the uh assistant, and she'll put you on the calendar. >> Okay. >> For sure. Okay. >> All right. >> Absolutely. >> So, my people going to come to see your people? Okay. Do you have a card? Do you have a card? >> A card? >> Uh-huh. >> Uh, not on my
>> 363. >> Yeah, it's 3636. 484 3636. >> Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> Next, we have Miss Anna Katana. Good evening everybody. >> Good evening. >> I just want to follow on what she just
said. It was very disheartening. I think I've been really upset since I read that letter. And you know, we had, you know, the people out here have voiced, you know, opinions about if our money was being handled correctly. All right. And
then it does also it might have a matter effect cuz I don't know how many people here own homes. Maybe you rent instead of owning but the homeowners we're the ones who are being pressured because we're getting we're seniors and we don't
get any really great but we're still we pay a lot of money a lot of taxes more than some places in Northville and Lynwood and they are fighting. They do a lot, but our city doesn't. And it's really sad cuz you don't have any
programs out here that can help the senior citizens. We have the citizen building, but you don't have enough buses or have programs to take them places. A lot of these people can't travel. They rely on a bus system to pick them up and take them to the mall
or take a trip, you know, to see one of the theaters or a movie or something. We have to do more for our citizens. And I really would hope that when you guys are looking at how this will never happen again where money is paid out and
shouldn't be paid out because it's going to take you a while to recoup it, okay? We all know that and just be realistic on it. But that's money and interest that you're losing because it's in someone else's hands and you're not
getting that interest that could have been in the bank or paying a bill to help us out. I just hope that everybody just stops and thinks about us the the citizens or Pleasantville because I think not everybody looks back and thinks about us. It's important because
we're older and we try to stay in the city. We don't want to leave a lot of us. We're I was born and raised here. I want to stay, but you've got to show us that you appreciate us here and do things here for us.
That's all I ask. And I would ask for more lighting on Main Street because it stopped. I I seen that South. They did quit lights because that was one of my complaints at the school where they didn't have a light out front, which is good. You have a way the kids can pull
in. You don't have to worry that. But I think we do need brighter lights on Main Street. I'm not going to hold you up, but that's how I feel. And thank you for your time. And I hope you think about us. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Next, we have Michelle Archie. >> That's okay. Good evening, everyone. Um I just have a question I guess. Um is there an ordinance about um pan handling on the streets?
>> Yes. >> Yes. Oh, we will because I just want to know why at night time these people are out here panhandling and they walk up to your car and being a woman driving at night by
myself, that's not safe. I came home one night with my husband at 12:30. The lady walked up to our car with a sign. So, I was wondering, do we have an ordinance that they not supposed to do this? And who's supposed to enforce it when they out there?
>> The police department. Okay. >> That That's who you supposed to know. >> Just call the police and let them know they out there. >> Yes. That's what I do personally. I I reported them myself on the Black Horse Pike in the Route 9.
>> Yes. Thank you. >> You know, I I've done it myself. I called the PD and asked for them to please have a remote. >> Okay. >> That's all I want to know. Thank you. >> No problem. Next we have Dell Archie. >> Hello everyone. Long time no city. How's
everybody doing? How you doing? Uh first qu first uh question. Code enforcement. Correct me if I'm wrong. They are a department that helps out with things within stay within code and regulations. Right. It also is a department that can
uh um I'm not going to say create revenue but that could be one of our revenue basis if violations are are happening with your president. >> Am I right so far? >> Correct. >> Um so on that we need more personnel in
that department. That's the department that's going to generate revenue for you if you have individuals that are violating the rules and regulations of flee. So I I would adhere that not here. I I I would ask the mayor to look into it and then go to work on council to
hire more personnel that department cuz that's a department we need the money that's going to help you out. You got a whole bunch of violations within Pleasantville. The next question I have um reference to this paperwork that did come out. It stated that the um
being incomplete under the guidance of legal guidance didn't help us out too good. I guess in the beginning of this this um money that went out and then I would further ask the question if it can be answered. Um how did the $80,000 go
out? Is it council? Is it from the mayor? Is it from the BA? Who gave the $80,000 out? >> So I'm sure Thank you. First of all, not appointing defendant, but I was not the attorney in 2024 when this occurred. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Let's just get that on the record. >> Okay. >> I don't need to. It's public record, but it wasn't me. >> No, that put the man's name on the record. They pretty much did put but they didn't was a he just dissipated.
>> So council is not you know listen everything financial is supposed to go through council. This is not legal advice. This is not giving you any information that you or the public should not already know. Anytime money is expended council should vote on it. Right? When a check is written council
should vote on it. There are some times when things happen that perhaps should not happen the way that they do. Council did not initiate that. It was a phauxama. It was something that occurred. A phauxa. An error. An error. It was an error. It was a
misunderstanding. We don't really know. I don't know. All I did was read the documents. But even in dealing with council, none of them really thought that they were even after the fact ratifying something that was improper.
>> Okay. So sometimes the wool gets pulled over people's eyes and sometimes it's just a mistake. >> Who's to say, right? And because I wasn't there and a lot of the council members don't really, you know, they they they don't really understand or know either. But whatever happened, it
happened and now you're going to correct it. >> Okay. >> And it's never going to happen again. >> But that one question, who gave 80,000 out? >> Well, >> it wasn't you. I got that. >> Well, that's written from Well, >> are you saying it was counsel? >> Sir, we don't have those people don't work here anymore. She didn't say that.
>> Oh, so it's a BA. >> I mean, mayor, let me rephrase that. You wear two hands. Mayor, was it you? >> I'm not in my name. >> Somebody getting $80,000. It wasn't me. I didn't have that propert.
>> Nobody on council owns a checkbook. >> Um, Madam President, >> but you got to sign. >> They don't sign. I am on finance but it didn't come through finance. >> Who has come through?
>> Oh, can I just add that street my wife was talking about? That was the black horse pipe. Yes, >> that was a black host pipe >> with the people out there panhandling at night late night. >> I called I know that area cuz I called person. >> How long you been calling them?
>> I called at least two times on them. >> No, cuz this has been going on for a while and the lady not young girl not stopping. >> Well, we have Main Street and >> they're also on Franklin Boulevard. It's a problem, but we can't be everywhere. So, I I'm asking
cut off, sir. Can I finish with this here? If we have a lot of officers in the daytime, lieutenants and sergeants sitting inside, can we split them up, put some of them outside at night, so we get more man? >> No. Yes. >> So,
>> cuz that's a public safety director. I mean, public safety >> chair. I'm sorry. That issue we have been trying to address. >> How do you We're working on that. But can you just can you do it ma'am? He
talked to the chief >> about about >> I brought the the numerous resources and they what happens when you send send you over there you chase them away what happens that's not what I can you give Florida the lieutenants and sergeants do that
>> but they sh the >> Oh no I'm just saying in general cuz we sell I don't give them to the public how officers not at night but we know we need more officers at night but if more officers in the daytime split the pie. >> Yeah, >> that's what I'm saying.
>> So, so Mr. Or um so the the mayor is aware because you just, you know, brought it to her attention and so is the um public safety chair. So, they'll bring it up in um their committee. >> I was aware of it before and then, but I know that they go out and then once they
leave and they come back, so it's just one continuous, you know, >> we'll talk about the officers as far as lieutenants and sergeants. >> Mhm. I just say they're panling. If they're panhandling and somebody gives them money, they're going to stay out there because it's a
profitable corner to be on. The police come alone, they chase them away and the pan handlers come back. That's what the mayor is trying. But I was the pan handler. I was talking about on a regular basis. >> Look, as soon as somebody gives them a buck, the pan handlers a buck, they're
not going away. better. >> You want a police officer station there? >> But no, no, no. >> Okay. Well, then you're going to keep coming back, council woman. I'm saying in general, >> since we don't have a certain amount of officers at night,
>> well, here's an idea. Somebody brought it up about more code enforcement. You know, we can hire three code enforcement people for what we get for one police officer in five years. We order, we get three code enforcement people. We bring in it's a revenue
stream like you said and we wouldn't have to rely on the police department to do nuisance work because that's against the code is panhandling and we could do that. >> We're in agreement as far as code enforcement. I'm with you on that. But
after that in general, I mean on on normal basis, regular basis, dayto day, not just looking at pan handling, we need more officers at night. >> But if it's so many during the daytime, it's so few at night. So I don't want to say they give out numbers. Can we get some of those officers that are sitting
inside the lieutenant sergeant bring them at night? Cuz at night night shift, they don't have them. Now you can talk to the mayor, your old about it. We got them on day shift. They have a committee meeting coming up and we will discuss that. >> But um
>> I just want to I was going to talk to um talk on the code enforcement. We're working on that whole department. So >> we'll be making changes. >> Yes. >> All right. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> We also have the um positions posted as
well. >> Oh, okay. Okay. So if anybody's interested, >> sign up for code enforcement. >> Mr. Archie, >> Mr. Archie. >> Yes, sir. >> Uh, you're correct. What you're talking about is deployment of the police of the police department
>> and council, the committee, public safety committee is working on that with the the chief, okay, >> to reassess our strategic deployment of our resources. And you, in my personal opinion, being a
former police professional, certified, sanctified, and holified. >> Uh, we we are looking at that. So, you're you're on point and council working on both of those issues. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. Next, we have Miss Renee Brown. Good evening. >> Good evening. Um, before I really get into my questions, y'all owe me an answer. I was here over a month ago and I left. I asked some
questions and you didn't have the answer and your um exact words was, "We hear you and someone will get back to you." Well, nobody has gotten back to me. So, I would like to get my answer before I start asking my question.
>> What was the question? The question was regarding um the police department and having five cars at night and five cars in the daytime. Where are the other police? Are they on vacation? Are they on workers comp? How long have they been on workers
comp? And how long are we going to let them stay on workers comp? And because we at night we should have more because we don't have lights. So it's definitely more dangerous at night than it is in the daytime. And um I just want to know
what's being done about it. That was the question over a month ago. >> Miss Brown. >> Yes. >> As we was telling Miss Archie, we have been trying to work from the deployment of our police department. But I have to say that >> how long do it take?
>> Well, it's also a contractual. >> It's under It's a contractual issue >> that only five people can be on the street at night when they telling us we got 103 calls a day. And all you can give us is five and then you call the police and you got to wait an hour or more for somebody to show up
>> cuz they waiting for somebody to come and be meet them at the call. >> I would like to answer your question one at a time, man. So, >> well, I'm giving them all to you cuz >> Well, I'm trying to speak up. >> I can't come here every week to ask the same kind of question. >> Employment of the uh police department is something that we're trying to work
on right now. And if we have to go through a resolution to change it, that's where I think we're going to have to go. But we're honestly truly working on it. >> That don't make me feel no safer, but I'm moving over. >> Um, >> well, can I can I just add that it's not
up to us. We can ask for the information, but if we don't get the if we don't get the information, then it's nothing that we can do. >> So, who can do something? Because then I'm standing up here wasting my time and I hope you not I'm not on that clock.
>> Mayor, can you help us here? Yes. Who am I supposed to ask? >> And Renee, were you at the last board meeting when the chief was there? >> No, I wasn't at what board meeting. >> No, but I was there. I was prepared to come to the first one when she called an
hour ahead and said she wasn't coming. I had something going on. My niece died. So, no, I was not at that meeting. >> Okay. >> Or I would have put those questions to her. >> Okay. Well, sorry about your niece, but she was there and um that's when we answered a lot of the questions and everything was
>> Well, how come nobody can't answer me then? >> Well, >> if y'all answered those questions at the meeting, somebody that's when a lot of the police questions were answered and everything else was on the website, the questions that they were answering. Some of them may have been what you were asking
about. I would I don't I think that may have been the meeting that I missed. I missed one meeting. And that may have been the one when you were requesting that. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. I just need an answer because it's dangerous and and it's bad
to not feel safe where you've lived for the better part of 50 years and you scared to go up to the corner store. >> Okay. No, you should not live in fear, you know, and um find out more about the officers. We only have what we have, you
know, as far as how many is at night, how many's on the day? >> You have 48 officers. If you have five at night and five in the daytime, that's only 10 people. Where's the other 38? >> Yeah, >> that's my question. >> And I'm not trying to be um
forth or ignorant or anything, but I'm I'm dead serious. It's not safe. You got a lot of people around you >> that you don't know. >> Answer for you right now. >> Okay. So, somebody please give me an answer. I would like to know how we gonna fix that. It's dangerous. I got
granddaughters out here and they do they like to send violent rapers rapists to Pleasantville >> and I don't want to have to wait over an hour when I call for a police officer cuz he's waiting for somebody to come from the other side of town to assist him with the call so he's not by
himself. They don't they don't even feel safe. Okay. I'm sorry, but that's to cut people. Mom, um, those pan handlers, they can't get ticketed. >> They get ticketed.
>> They get ticketed. I never seen nobody even say nothing to them. The police in the line going through the line just the light just like me. Um, I want to say that I agree with um what Tim said and I understand you guys said that you want to make a pledge for
like the League of Municipalities. Um, but I don't think a pledge is good enough. Um, and twice in your three-year term. I think you need to go every year, whatever they have. >> We do. >> And the reason why I'm saying that, >> well, I don't think you do. >> No, we do.
>> Okay. Well, I'm going to tell you why I don't think you do. I don't think you do. Because if you did, all the things that are happening now would not be happening >> and been happening would not be happening. My taxes wouldn't be going up every year and then the next year they go up and I pay them and the next year
you still short. >> You're doing something wrong. You're doing something wrong. And I think that it should be required as a ongoing thing that you do because in Pleasantville if you are the most
popular you can have a seat. You don't have to be have any background in finance but you can be on the finance department. >> You don't you know you am I making sense? So if you don't have it, I'm not saying
you can't have a seat, but I'm saying at least be trying to get it. >> And since you haven't done this to date voluntarily, how about we just make it unvoluntarily? >> So that would help us.
Okay, my next tip. The other day I had to pay $550 for an exterminator when I've been coming here for three years talking about the rats and mice in my neighborhood. Nobody has issued city trash cans. They still don't have lids on the trash cans.
They still putting out their trash in a um in dresser drawers. And they go from that end to that end for one house. All this trash and furniture. They put it out the day before. Nobody's getting ticketed for that. They put it out the day before. The birds get it. The cats
get here come the rats. It's not healthy cuz rats carry all kind of disease. It's not healthy and it's not safe to the kids that go to North Main Street School cuz they all over uh from Adams. I went I did it
personally myself. Knocked on doors and talked to people from Lynon Avenue all the way and I only went to Third Street from London to First, Second and Third Street. And it's not a person I talk to that don't get wrecked. It's ridiculous.
>> And y'all not using code enforcement or not telling them what to do to help that situation because a fool can't see who's where they ain't supposed to be. People don't live in
them places normally, so you know they eating and cooking. do something. I'm tired of coming up here saying the same thing over. It's been three years I've been talking about rats. I called the uh board of health. I couldn't even
get a bait box. I had to buy my own bait boxes. And even that wasn't enough. I end up calling an exterminator. Now I got exterminator coming to my house inside and outside for the next year. Cost me $600. $550. That's 600.
And ain't nobody trying to help me. I bought in pictures of the rents. I bought in pictures of the high grass. I bought in pictures of the houses that are abandoned. And nobody's doing nothing about it. And nobody's doing nothing. Y'all not
doing nothing. >> I don't think that that's a fair statement. And >> if you was doing something, something would have changed. And has nothing changed? >> You haven't issued one trash can. You haven't ticketed one load of trash that goes from here to there. I'm out there. I talk to those guys on the trash truck.
>> All right. >> I talk to them. >> Okay. >> I give them water. I give them hot coffee when it's cold or hot chocolate. >> They tell me. >> So know that. So know that. >> I'm not I'm not here to try to make nobody look bad. I'm here
>> imploring you to help your residence. >> Um Councilman Carmon. >> Yeah. Well, we are we trying to get more people in at um code office to go there and give tickets. >> So, we working on that now. >> Well, all those pictures that I sent to
you on your phone >> from Living Avenue all the way down to Route 9, nobody has cut one, >> Miss Brown. >> Go ahead, Councilman. >> I mean, um me and Kyrie, we went out
there. We cut a lot of bushes out there. We did North I mean uh Church Street. We did Adams Avenue. Uh we did some on Route 9. So I was out there with them when they went out there and cut us. >> Well, I can bring more pictures if you like cuz it's still not cut. >> I was out there with
>> I live on that street. I'm out there every day. I don't have to come in here and tell you no lies. None of that stuff has been cut. >> Okay. So, >> and another thing I asked you >> with this brown to get all of her concerns so you can address them. >> Yeah, she give me all the pictures, all the
>> I've done it already. Use the one you got. >> All right, Miss Brown. Thank you, sir. >> Next, we have Aaron. >> Just want to thank you guys for the time and this opportunity. I actually don't live in Pleasantville. I'm a a stock or a student at the University of Stockton,
but I work for a lighting company. So, I came here to not try to sell you necessarily, but inform you about a program that's going on. So, the companyy's called SJH Energy, the one I work for. >> SJ Energy. >> SJH Energy. >> I I give you a business card after, but
we work with Atlantic City Electric, who I'm sure you're familiar with, and I target southern businesses and warehouses. And I spoke with the mayor and CFO I believe >> and it kind of proposed this idea. So um taxpayer it's on the second page of the
or utility or electric bill there's a thing called societal benefits charge. I don't know if you guys familiar with that societal benefits charge but that's how this program is funded necessarily. >> So if we're pay or there's taxpayers paying for it anyways I just wanted to inform and see if it's something major.
So now what it is is we have three different kinds of lighting. There's 2x4 LED panels like these ones here. There's 8ft LED strips and then there's UFOs for outer buildings. I heard someone speak saying they need more lighting. So I figured more time.
>> So it's heavily heavily subsidized pricing typically from 50 to 80% reduced cost through this program. And I spoke and I I don't know if you guys or I wanted to pitch the idea to you guys to see if it's something you may be interested in. Um, that's pretty much
it. I don't know what else. Uh, do you guys have questions or anything? >> So, when he came to I was downstairs at Mr. Wall's office when he came in and he said that he was doing upgrading lighting. He had just left the police department. He came over to city hall to
he asked if it would be okay to make an appointment to come look at the lighting there to upgrade and it would be free of charge with Atlantic Electric. I told them that all council need to hear you know what histoal products as far as trying to do the upgrade with the lighting here.
>> So there's two different there's upgrading lighting which is if you have LED replacing the LED and there's uh there's like saving money on that necessarily. I mean there's no like confirmed send stone cost but on the flip side say like this switching to LED
it's 20 to 40% saving on the electric or utility bill. And then once you're signed up through the program, you can reoccur and keep using like so say one goes out and you you could replace it for free of charge of continuously. >> Okay. Well, free of charge is what I was
interested in and I I asked about outdoor lighting because I know it's very very dark. >> So those are the classes. >> Yeah. >> So it's indoor and then exterior as well. >> So I have business cards if you guys want to talk it over.
right area. Is this for um residential homes as well? >> Not residential homes. >> Okay. >> More commercial buildings and >> it's only interior, not exterior. >> Interior and >> exterior. Not street lighting. >> We could do that. It's the It's UFO. I
don't know if you're familiar with the UFO lighting, what it looks like, but I can email over I believe I have your business card, so I can email over the pictures of the different types of lighting we provide. You guys committee. >> Okay. Next we have Missal. Good evening. Good evening.
>> Still at 1300 doctor's admin. Um, as we are all well aware, standing here, sitting here, all right, and hearing that we that the that our city um because of our
personnel policies and other expenditures, right? But the question is, if I just have one very specific question, uh, you can read it for yourself, right? And the question is,
it's been widely reported that council directed the check. Good evening. I It has been widely reported that council directed that the check in the amount of $165,724 not to be issued. Was that a directive?
Was that a verbal directive? Or did it go out in writing? Now that question can be answered. >> Do you have you have >> the question can be answered? Was there a vertical directed from council to
whoever that the check not either be uh um that the check not be either constructed and or dispersed >> please someone answer I'll answer sir >> because the bottom line
right get rid of someone answer. >> Go ahead. >> That was given in verbal also in writing. >> In writing. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> That the check not be issued. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, uh the earlier comment right is saying that
>> different the earlier the earlier comment regarding right that that this could have been an error. It could have been a miscommunication. that reporting is now right on the record as being
>> not consistent with what >> Mr. boy. First of all, >> we we go by what the this there was a lot of confusion, right? So when I came back and reviewed everything and was part of >> right >> the investigation, I sat and listened to
the investigation unfold. If you ask one council person who asked another, none of them agreed to make a payment under the under the knowledge with the knowledge that someone had resigned
versus retired, right? So, so there was never an agreement to say let's pay this money notwithstanding the fact that this person has resigned. And so there was a lot of confusion just based on what I was reading and based on the the
responses from each of them. And so there was some lack of guidance to them about what transpired. There was never a let's pay this money. It was the money was being paid because they believed that this
person was retiring and entitled to >> entitled to it. >> Okay. And so there's a lot of steps in people and that's why I said council does not hold the checkbook. Right. >> And and and and sometimes if if you got people saying something and
>> it all goes back to a systemic problem that may have existed that now is trying to be cured. >> Okay. Now the uh thank you Miss Con because that was probably about the most realist right saying you know uh response that I've
gotten thus far because of the fact of the matter is the fact of the matter is what they what happened here what happened here it's not just one time right it's a multitude
times because the state in their inquiry identified, right, that there are other a whole another group of people, right, that got paid mortgage that they weren't entitled to, right? >> No, they're just some generous benefit
packages that aren't required by law. That that's really the issue. And that those generous those generous benefit packages and severance packages are the result of collective bargaining negotiations. Most of them >> which
>> because they were done >> outside really the purview of council for the most part that that can only be undone through renegotiation when the time comes. >> Okay. >> Which we are also aware of. >> Not necessarily. Not necessarily.
that has to be renegotiated at the point in time right in saying of of a of you know of of of a new contract if there are if there are errors if hold if there are errors or there's misgivings right in a contract right the contract right
and saying can be looked at again and and and amend I understand >> okay a labor contract can be amended >> I understand that but that's question I asked this next ction under the corrective corrective action plan and recommendations for following states.
This information should be used to recoup and properly paid public funds where possible to ensure the appropriate adjustments are made to policies and procedures to prevent future future improper uh expenditure. When will the
residents right get the full and complete report of these past employees and what payments were made and who the who who they went to what position right that covered right when are we going to get the full report
now the the issues right and say that I'm that are being addressed right are addressed right in this letter it's right in here it's in here for the reading but the fact that the matter is the fact of the matter is if you want to
lay blame. We're not here to lay blame. What we're here to do is to find out right the cause and effect. >> Right. Right. >> Let the blame fall where it may fall. Right. >> Because if if you didn't know, you shouldn't know. >> That's right.
>> I just retired. Right. You know, >> and I'm in the state payment. Like I'm in the state, you know. >> Yeah. But if I go but if I go to another job and I don't disclose and it's not only
even the fact that I have to disclose if I'm going into a job right saying they're into an opinion or other type of payment system right that my name goes in and it pops right up just like that. This is elementary. Now we can talk
about a lot of stuff. We can talk about a lot of stuff but the fact of the matter is you bought two million $400,000 right to correct to pay out the person's rights and you know that that that are leaving right the employment of the city
and it fell on the backs of the employees because the next year our property tax went up >> again. So we are paying not everybody else. We are paying more directly on this and the only thing we're asking for
is truth >> truthfulness. We want clarity. Right. And saying and we want responsible answers and we don't want a lot of rhetoric. >> Right. >> Right. Self-s serving rhetoric. Right. You know about this and that. Right. When you folks just get to be upfront
with us. We'll understand because the harm has already been done. Yeah, the harm has already been done. What you need, what we all need to do is work on the correction plan so it don't that it doesn't happen again.
>> And then don't tell me right instead that that that you don't need training as a former school board certified member >> went on there knowing nothing. Came off knowing something. Thank you.
>> I have a motion to close public session. >> May I have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Ordinance number 15, first reading, amending orders number 24-205, which created departments, divisions,
and positions in the city. We have a motion. >> Motion. >> We have a second. >> Second. >> Callo, >> yes. >> Pimona, >> yes. >> March, >> yes. >> Oldby, >> yes. >> Pettis, >> yes. >> Sweepson, >> yes. >> Thomas,
>> yes. >> Move the second reading scheduled for December the 3rd. Resolution 209, granting approval of Thanksgiving food distribution in the city on Saturday, November the 22nd, 11:00 a.m. AM to 400 p.m. at the city hall parking lot. May
>> I have a motion? >> Motion. >> May I have a second? >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Camela, >> yes. >> Kabona, >> yes. >> Wang, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Bettis, >> yes. >> Swepson, >> yes. >> Thomas, >> yes.
>> Resolution approved. Resolution 2 motion tot approval of a Thanksgiving food distribution in the city on Tuesday, November 25th from 400 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. West Jersey Avenue through JBS Mexican Food Truck. >> I have a motion.
>> Motion. >> May I have a second? >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Familo? >> Yes. >> Kimona? >> Yes. >> Clang, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Sweepson, >> yes. >> Thomas, >> yes. Resolution approved. Resolution
210, the city council pledging adherence to ongoing training. May >> I have a motion? >> Motion. >> May I have a second? >> Roll call. >> Emilo? >> Yes. >> Kimona? >> Yes. >> Clay? >> Yes. >> Obisky? >> Yes. >> That is >> yes. >> Swepson.
>> Yes. >> Thomas, >> yes. >> Resolution approved. Resolution 212 authorizing budget transfer for fiscal year 2025 appropriations. May I have a motion? Move. >> May I have a second? >> Second. Roll >> call.
>> Steve. >> Pomona. >> Yes. >> Or flag. >> Yes. >> Ogusby. >> Yes. >> Fattis. >> Yes. >> Sweepson. >> Yes. >> Thomas. >> Yes. >> Resolution approved. I need a motion to approve the bill list. >> May I have a second?
>> Yes. Pona. >> Yes. >> Pettis. >> Yes. >> Swepson. >> Yes. >> Thomas. >> Yes. >> Motion approved. >> Hey, are you having anything? >> I like Thank you all for coming out. I
they do hear and we are working on a corrective action plan. I know it's not what you want to hear, but that's what's that's where we're at with that right now. And also, I want to address the uh bus issue to um she's still back there. >> I'm here.
>> We have a 16 passenger bus that was given to us by the county. It's the only bus that we have and the only day that the seniors have it is the second Thursday of every month when we when we put the um notices up, we put first come first seated. The only time
that we can get a different and the same bus is used on Tuesday for Dr. Ry and on uh a different Wednesdays maybe for uh the grocery market. So the day every day has a day designated for it and that's how we have to do it. any
in the event of us having a big trip ever, we call the county and asked if they're free if they could send another bus. And we have had a couple two occasions I know that we had where we were going to Columbus Market and we asked for additional transportation and we were
able to do that. The thing of it is too is that um the day cuz I felt really bad. You and I that day and um it was 16 people. They had to turn some people away because it's going to first come, first seated. The day of the trip, we
had 14 people because at the last minute, someone will just call and say, "Well, no, I'm not going to go today." And I know they were waiting at another at over at Milan, I mean, at St. Peters and no one ever came out, you know, someone else that was supposed to be picked up. So, it's just, you know, it's
not for the lack of trying. It's not for favoritism or anything like that. It's just that we need another bus. And I You know, someone reach out to L City. >> I'm sorry. >> Can we reach out to Lan City and see if they can help me? >> I don't know anyone to reach reach out there for a bus other than I mean for
funding other than say that again. >> So, I don't know anyone that would be able to help us with a bus other than program over there. >> Well, no, I haven't reached out to the senior program, but I just wanted to explain that to you so that you would know what happened on that particular
camera. >> Wait a minute. Let the mayor finish. Yeah. >> Yeah. That and that's the way that it is until we get further transportation. You know, I reached out to the county to see if they have another bus because what happens once they get their new fleet, they, you know, give the others to
different communities. >> So, mayor, can I just ask just one question and have, you know, person that work in county transportation? the county does right a turnover of its vehicles and it has like a system like a
cycle of turnover right it's nothing that's preventing us right from reaching out to the county prior to his passing right you understand uh >> Mr. Of course, you write the same was trying to help write the saying the senior citizens right you know seek
application right so that they can apply for a bus right >> but that's what I just said you know like it's obvious thing about just the ads right >> but that's exactly what I just said to you Marvin is that when they >> no you're saying that you you know when you like when you have a bus trip and
you don't have enough buses right you reach out to the county no if you reach out to the county and says listen right we need you know if you're going to do a turnover go get buses, right? Cuz see, we would like to get, you know, three or four of those buses or vans or whatever else, right? You know, you know,
>> okay, that's that is what I just turn attempted to say that when they get their new fleet, they give out the others to other communities. I know it's not just us, but anyway, we are >> put our name on the list. Do we have to put our name on a list so they know ahead of time that we would like another
bus? The limousine companies also give their passenger flying they give me and I yes but yes and Ernie uh council uh commissioner corsy and I were we worked very closely
together so I know about that but also have been talking to um the county exe township I'm seeking all of these folks around us right they have their transportation what who's lacking here is only thing I think we have to do is push forward
right you know just okay >> yes >> maybe you know this could be a topic at one of your ward meetings >> we've already discussed that >> really okay I'll keep you posted Mayor
having a 16. >> Yeah, public session is over. >> Oh, but everybody else was talking. >> We should have said something on everybody else. >> Y'all need to have a town hall so we can talk. >> Excuse me.
>> I have something to say. You can look at other cities and take what they have that's good and we can try to implement them from here. >> But don't look at those cities and say
they have this. Why don't we? Atlantic City has a lot of things that we don't have because we don't have nine casinos. >> That's one big huge reason why we don't have what Atlantic >> Maybe we need a new. So if we want to have casinos in Pleasantville, we'll
have that. We'll put a and we'll do it. >> Not for nothing. >> That's a lame writer. >> Not for nothing, Miss. But we have everybody on on baitments. >> We have everybody receiving the right.
>> But we got it. We That's what we got. >> We got it. We need to >> let me I didn't get to say Can I say something cuz I don't get three minutes at public comment. >> I'm addressing something that everybody
in this room needs to know. >> We need writables. We cannot afford to have everything paid for on the backs of private homeowners. in this town.
>> We need to bring in real money in this town. >> Who who needs to bring it in? >> Y'all need to bring it in. >> So to stop and make the process easier and make stop the public portion is over.
>> Casinos are a lame excuse. Excuse me. >> Some point ain't got no casino or >> excuse me if you want. >> Right. And they come back. >> We're tired
>> of being being abused and >> we're tired. We're tired. >> We can't even get charged to a journ. I mean, not a journ. Take a break. Recess. Fine. Council >> President. >> Oh, okay. I'll be gone.
>> All right. Go ahead. >> I just want to not announce something. Um, it's going to be a place of love community dinner on November the 20th. a place of love community dinner on November the 24th. It's going to be held
at the rec center here in Pleasantville from 2 to 5:00 p.m. >> For who? >> For the community. >> For the community. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Anyone else? >> Anyone else on council? I uh mad over president. I would like to make a motion
that we for this uh uh controller reporter to L county prosecutors for further investigation into the entire situation. I was paid since there's so much confusion. Let the criminal investigation look at it and find out if there was any illegality
involved in I make the motion. I second you get your state report back before they can get transferred to the prosecution office. >> Come on now. >> Yes. Clay, >> yes. >> Ogusby, >> yes. >> Dennis, >> yes. >> Sweptson,
>> yes. >> Thomas, >> yes. >> Motion carries. >> Good. >> Anything else? Council, may >> I have a motion to >> motion? All in favor?