K Haan regular monthly meeting Tuesday March 18th [Music] 2025 yes right welcome everybody I'd like to call this meeting of the pack Township Council for order um adequate
notice has been given to the Star Ledger 100 Democrat and posted on our Township website thus satisfying the requirements of our open public meeting the P can we have a roll please
okay Gray here LTI here Melvin yes stillo he's in the bathroom Okay slack is absent Attorney Ben Brook and engineer Ingram here all right can we all rise for a silent prayer from flag
[Music] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay uh first up can I uh get a
motion for the approval of the regular and executive session minutes from February 18th I will move for that approval second I'm sorry who was the second he wasn't here I have yeah Melvin was second
okay Gray yes Lizetti yes Melvin yes motion to pay bills payment of bills presented in proper form signed by the director of each department approved by the majority of the members listed on the bill list does anyone have any questions with regards to the bills on
the bill list if not I'll entertain a motion so move still second okay okay Gray yes lietti yes Melvin yes stillo yes all right public
comments pertaining to agenda items does anyone have any public comments with regard to our agenda seeing none we'll move forward with our next agenda item which is Kelly POI and F youth center staff presentation about your summer program
just me um can I hand out some materials you sure can so my name is Kelly poid I'm the executive director of the F you Center in Philipsburg not too far from here if you're not familiar with it which I know
a couple of you are um it is a we are in our 71st year of um services to the children of filbur and the surrounding area is perfect okay great can I do have an extra copy
I'll ifter onl s in front of that mic recording [Music] hear okay great so um the first Youth Center is a nonprofit organization uh we have a large indoor Recreation Center
gymnasium um classrooms computer uh rooms and offer a multitude of programs for kids in fburg and around uh the surrounding municipalities uh we also have some kids who come from uh East or
Wilson because we don't have a geographic boundary that we have to serve however I'm sure you can imagine the large majority of kids that we serve of the 700 a year are fburg kids um our programs are open to all kids and we
have been seeing an increase uh in POA and Alpha youth coming to our Friday night dances as well as some of the after school dropin programs I'm here today to present about the playground program uh We've run the
playground program for the town since 2022 the town of psur came to us and asked us to run the playground program and we really tried to kick it up a notch and what it is is a five-week program where we have our staff at the playgrounds um from 9: to noon and we
offer a ton of different enrichment opportunities we bring a lot of special guests to the playgrounds every week has a theme we reward positive and appropriate behaviors through the playground Penny mobile so they earn playground pennies and then the mobile
comes around once a week um and we really try to touch on character education living a healthy lifestyle so um prevention programming and really just being outside and letting kids be kids but in a safe supervised area where
if they you know mess up or show some different behaviors our staff can help work through it um rather than them being unsupervised or stuck in the house or playing video games um I bring this to you because uh your families have asked us to uh we actually weren't going
to look to expand our summer programs this year however when I shared that with our leadership team um Miss Megan who's our program director said that last year the PO hat secretary actually reached out from the school and asked if we could share if they could share the
flyer for the alpha program that we run so we started billsburg in 2022 Alpha heard about it they came and asked uh me to present to their Council and now we've had the alpha program for the last two summers and is our busiest program
that we offer um and I think that's really a testament to Alpha which I think is similar to PO hat in a lot of ways where the parents want things for their kids to do outside in the summer uh month months and they want that sense
of community and um seek opportunities for them to go and enjoy their Municipal amenities so uh the Secretary of quad school as well as three different parents had called us last summer and asked one was a little bit um upset that
her kid couldn't go to Alpha or go to the filb programs and we explained it's because it's a taxpayer funded program that the burrow of alpha pays for it and so therefore it wouldn't be fa if we just open it up to anybody and the same thing with Philipsburg so um so I'm here
tonight because uh some of your residents have have been very interested in it and it has a lot of buzz but also because it's like one of our favorite programs to run it's just so cool to see the kids out and like when we were growing up that you could be outside and you know having fun with your friends
and not behind a a phone screen scrolling all day so this is a write up on page one about the program in bold on the first page I'll just I point out a few statistics I pulled um from the alpha program so it says in 2023 the
alpha program served 47 unique youth for a total of 453 services rendered meaning that those youth came back multiple times and what we saw is the trend that once they came one time they came almost every day for the rest of the program
then 2024 there was a 23% increase in youth serve in just one year so we went from 47 unique you to 58 unique Alpha Youth and when you really look at Alpha and from ages 6 to 12 there's not that many kids so capturing 58 of them to
come out at least one time to the playground program I think is a very high number percentage wise as well as then for a total of those 58 youth coming for a total of 567 services rendered so again meaning that they're coming back again and again
so there's a 23% increase in unique youth from year one to year two and a 25% increase in services rendered and um you could probably talk to any council member from alpha um they are blown away by the playground program it is I think
actually Bob melik said it that it's the only thing that we do in outfit that no one complains about and they're happy that they Happ it of course so page um two there I just ask you a question clarify for services I'm assuming we got like a daily unit so basically when you say a service that
one child for one service was one day at the playground and so basically that's 567 days where um kids were there if you take it in a cative amount right so you take number of kids so if it was 56 kids
times 10 days that kind of thing you get 560 right y yeah so exactly so there were 40 kids in attendance that day we count all 40 has one service R yep we got it um so the next page is the are the current
uh flyers for this upcoming program we actually are going to start advertising soon so Alpha signed on for year three and Philipsburg um signed on to expand to we will have their four locations as well as the Philipsburg Housing Authority came to us last year and we
run a site for them now so we keep expanding this program um and I think it's really just due to uh the buzz and um organizations and municipalities reaching out to have something for their kids in the summer months so those are the Flyers that will be coming out with
very soon on the back of that is last year's calendar for the first five weeks this shows you like at a glance the different uh Consultants that we have go and visit the playground so it's not just about our staff having their daily itinerary of what they're going through we have
stem lessons Every Day arts and crafts every day there's a structured group game and structured individual games every day but additionally like for hero week our team behind the scenes coordinated for the fire trucks to come out the police officers to come out the
emergency Squad to come out um some familiar faces back here um we also had a US Army veteran come out and that was Fourth of July week which really went um along well with hero week and then all the games and crafts and
science projects that week are themed around hero week uh we had awesome animals week we literally brought miniature cows to the playground program um worked with a company out in sington and they brought these called mini Mose
and we we contracted with them to bring miniature cows but teach a lesson on Farming and what it and taking care of pets we have seeing eye dogs come out um we had balloons the clown because he has a rabbit Sapphire so he talked to he showed different um magic tricks and
taught the kids magic tricks um with sapphire in toe um we also have creativity Week sports week that's a crazy week where we bring out pretty much every High School sports team comes and visits the playgrounds from The Cure team um to the
uh football team the boys and girls basketball team the field hockey team the lacrosse team they we scheduled it's a scheduling um nightmare but it all works out and uh the captain of the team we coordinate with them and Kyle Fleming is extremely supportive of the program
for all of these different student athletes who are real life uh youth who our kids can look up to and say I want to be Julia Butler or I want to be um the next Nick ster and these great role models right in their face um so that's
a wonderful week that week we also infused some Healthy Lifestyles so we bring out snap Ed for a healthy cooking class for the kids and we bring out a make healthy choices it's called prevention plus Wellness sport addition so it focuses on don't tell kids no
don't do uh alcohol or don't use a baap it says what you put into your body is what you get out of your body and so if you want to you know be great on Excel on the football field or the wrestling mat um or tumbling in gymnastics then you got to put good things into your
body so it teaches them that and getting eight hours of sleep and limiting screen time all those healthy habits I could go on and on about this prr I'm sure you get the point the next uh pages I printed with their permission the uh final email I sent two emails to each um
partner that we have this is the one that went to Alpha um for their final update and I wanted to I printed this because I wanted to point out the bullet points and we do a survey actually the last thing on there is a little sample of what we sent home last year on the last day of the playgrounds it's a QR
code and it says like thank you for allowing your child to be a part of the playground program please take our survey like we want to improve the program so we want to hear from you so Alpha results um 100% of respondents strongly agree that their child was safe at the playground program 100% strongly
agree that the staff did a great job supervising and running activities 100% strongly agree that theyd recommend this program to a friend or neighbor 100% recommend having the program again in 2025 um and I had some comments there that some of the parents um typed out
that I put um shared with their Council and their mayor um and I think you know if you take some time and read through this uh it really speaks to how satisfied they are with uh the offering of the bir you Center the last page there second last page is uh just two
screenshots I grabbed off of our social media if you don't follow F you Center on social media please um take a look at what we do uh because it is open to your residents and your children here uh so it's just the weekly highlight we do like a week wrap up and it shows
everything that we do did at the playground that week and then what's coming up the next week so hope helps build that audience of kids we don't want to be doing all this work to have fre kids show up we're going to do everything and anything we can to attract the most uh kids that we can at
each playground so there's I think I just grabbed week one and week two and some photos I mean really uh oh the the mini moves are on the back of the that page in the bottom left corner one of the mini cows um and the last page there is the only thing that we would need
parents to do which we have copies at the playground copies on on our website we had a lot of families stop by fill them out in advance or they just go there one day with their kid and fill it out but this is just the waiver membership form that we have for all of our programs at the youth center but it says right on the top that there's no
fee for the program they just have to complete the waiver giving us emergency contact information um also if if it has any allergies we need to know about all of our staff have are fully credentialed trained we have a New Jersey Department
of Child Care office of license using Child Care license for school age so we are fully insured and credentials to run our program one of the things that I think works really well is that we try to make every effort to hire the young
adults who work at the playground to be from that neighborhood because if I had a child and they were going to that program I would feel a lot more comfortable if I knew that that was a former H hat Warrior alum so we even went as far last year with
the Housing Authority when we didn't have anybody apply naturally we cold calleded uh families that we had we pulled up years past membership list woke up addresses we knew the kids we had one of our staff Who overseas our high school nights we knew these kids had aged out of our program run through
the list and say which ones and here Mr Edwin that we hired for calling his mom and saying hey can we talk to him about potentially working he worked every day in the summer um but then additionally now he works our after school care he works our late night dances he's there right now for Middle School drop in um so it really turned into a whole job
opportunity for him same with Alpha we hired all alpha kids or residents for their program and um year two of alpha we actually promoted one of the alpha residents to then become the playground supervisor so Miss Maddie rocus uh she
then became the playground supervisor for year two and was helping coordinate all the logistics of the program so it was great to see then an alpha resident get an opportunity at 18 and then at 19 she took over some of the managerial stuff behind the scenes and then she
would visit the playgrounds to help train the staff so um I think it's a lot of uh opportunities all around uh cost of course it comes down to right um and you have a fiscal responsibility to your residents and um we always try to work
very hard in keeping all of our costs extremely low at the youth center this is really one of the only program that we go out and like pay get paid for by somebody else we write grants for everything and that's how we can keep cost so low so those prevention programs I'm talking
about um some of the different uh artists that we have come visit we get grants so we can then cover a whole territory and then be able to bring them to the different playgrounds that we run so uh the price for this for the six week or 5we program is
$6,000 that is what we offer to Alpha the first two years as well as well as the Housing Authority I have talked to Mr stillo about this the potential to collaborate if you are interested um alha is interested in possibly collaborating um
if you would uh like to maybe try to keep the cost down a little bit um their playground is very busy I mean by the end of the summer we were averaging about 35 kids a day so it's a busy playground eventually they all end up together
anyway um some of their council members were like we got a good thing going like why would we bucket right they budgeted for it um however others were like this is something that could really work out and be mutually beneficial so if there was interest in the program I could help
set up conversations um with whoever it would be at Alpha which I believe would be Mr M M yeah of questions I spoke a lot and I don't know if there was a time on it but I didn't hear a buzzer good any any questions from
Council I mean I think it it sounds like a great program and so um you know as you very well point out at the end a lot of it comes down to the finances and I look at my CFO right here um on what we're able to do and maybe there is what
I heard there at the end and I I appreciate the context you provided with regard to the the 6K was the starting rate for Alpha and housing project as well Housing Authority um can I ask what Alpha is paying now
6,900 and that is because we had to add an additional staff person because we can't be out of ratio so by Midway through this oh no all of last summer we had three staff at their playground even though we budgeted for two but in the first week they had 30 kids showing up
so we had to increase and so we just ate it that's you know it's a beautiful problem to have um and we had a counselor in training there so that's another thing we do where um we try to have like a yoube from that area come um actually the paragraph in that email
that's in pink is about the youth and trying to get her some extra recognition because she was wonderful um so uh this year though I did talk to them in advance and said we can't eat that cost and so I did the breakdown and said to add another staff person is a $900 fee
so it's not like we're trying to make money on this program it's trying to serve more expand our reach and you know like I said I I'll take the lead and I'll talk to another to see you know first to see if they would do some sort of Co-op to to cut the price in half because I think I mean again I had two
kids that you know now too old to be in here but they were younger you know we really don't have a lot of stuff that goes on in this town for any of our kids over the summertime and I think in the fact that you know you hire kids from po hat um you kind of just give them back
as well I I think you know we can kind of see where you know if it's open space m something we can look to possibly you know what fund this I think our residents would really appreciate you know us providing something over the summer for our resident and you the goal would be to take it on our own if we
have enough kids on the road but like my whole worry was the first year how many kids are talking the high or you know 55 that was my question you have an algorithm that you use to like a starting you know range and I appreciate it time piece of strength right so like
what is your assumption for if you were to kick this off would you say poad only what would that look like yeah so I would base that on alha numbers right Alpha's smaller than po hat and you also have a lot more residents coming in that or should be coming in with the apartments right yeah um and so their
first year they had 47 unique youth for a total of 453 um services rendered so their average daily attendance was 19 kids 19 kids every day um some days as high as
35 um but they never went below 15 and that was like a streak of rainy days so that's a considerable amount of kids to come under your care right I guess the the next question is so I appreciate that that you know the context you provided us with the increase in
participation in Alpha drove them up to 6,900 so if you even assume we're adding in an extra 15 to 30 kids that price point I'm assuming is going to have to potentially move for 6900 we once we have um like a shared service agreement we wouldn't change anything that would
be on us right we're we're quoting you this and that's what we would stick to just like what we stuck to with Alpha even though we had the third and by the end of summer a fourth staff person there um we never charge them anything extra that's what we agree that would be for for a poad only experience correct
but I think what well if do it would be 6900 for Alpha you know they would put that cost of 6900 because that's what I don't think ,000 so we have to bring in other staff right so I did talk to
Mr 6000 okay but that's that's what my question is is that 6,000 is if we do a standalone Pro yes 6900 for Alpha and then they need to if we Co-op that they need to increase the number of kids which means Inc number of Staff exactly
what's the new magic yep so what I talked to him about today is when we broke down the numbers and I shared with you it was about $900 to add another staff person but we also then have to add supplies and our insurance all of that so I told him that I thought a fair
number would be a $3,000 increase which makes that $69 9900 right that if you merge the two together because of the additional Staffing and oversight and supplies and all of that that goes with it um then
you break that in half and it's 40 5K yeah mhm yeah so you save you know $1,000 but also it's in their facility it's their um parks that are being us they have wonderful facilities
there I mean the Pavilion that's where we run it we we have sign in there in the Pavilion um and uh and then our teams our staff break out into teams with them um they now have the basketball courts and the pickle ball courts all redone um and we have uh a
really good relationship the other thing to mention about Alpha which is incredible is last year we were able to expand and bring the USDA 3 lunch program there so the maschio's catering delivered lunch and our staff served lunch every day and I understand uh
these aren't communities that you know desperately rely on lunch but the price of groceries is unreal and what we saw at Alpha was it was the most kids who ate lunch compared to the peer Parks so the percent of kids eating lunch we serve
791 lunches at the playgrounds last year so your kids would be able benefit from that too and wouldn't it be great for a parent to know four days a week for five weeks I don't have to worry about you might get lunch and it's great I mean there sandwiches Thursdays are Pizza
days not crap right I mean it's hethy enough healthy enough one worry too which is facilities is right now the only place we have a pavilion is down vanelly Park which is way off the be path of a lot of you know residents to to attend so Alpha I mean
it's kind of located right there kind of smack da in the middle so um if we're able to do the co-op and and save you know I say a th I mean you know $1,000 um and also to them we can see where our numbers are because then next year if we
do right exactly be able to you you know get our facilities you know up to where and essentially located it kind of gives that that area that breathing room to do it so um yeah so I I'll talk to You Know M if they are interested and if that's the case we'll come back to Council next
uh um you know meeting and and with the mayor being here we can talk more about it and and you've got a heads up now that we're very interested John John if you need any help with the coordination with any leg work or you know anything I could be helpful I happy to help okay great thank
you I question um you mentioned insurance and then I see under proong agree to hold where inter har with some liabilities like the insurance work well we provide a Certificate of Insurance to anywhere we're at really is ours what it
means that if something happens it's under our insurance so our our we're naming um the bur fa we end up doing a coop uh secondly um background checks if your staff how do you handle that they
crial background check like we're supposed to do oh absolutely yeah we're licensed by the state so they come in uh three times a year and check every single file that we have and we have to upload everything and our figer Printing and carry uh child abuse records
information act have to go straight to the state so uh it's under like a code when you go to take them that we don't even get the results the state our State Licensing rep gets it first so so um everything is is by the book we also
have our staff sign an acad davit every year that their criminal history hasn't changed and every 3 years they have to renew um our staff also have to have 10 hours of child health and safety training two hours of mandated reporting training and an annual orientation that
has a huge list of things we have to go through um we only have to have um 50% of our staff certified in first aid CPR but for you Center requires our board of directors requires 100% of our staff so all of our staff we work with St Luke's
um to certify all of our staff in first aid CTR we we understand we have um people's most prized possessions in our care and we that very seriously what about um is there ID for the counselors or is
it photo ID a picture so that somebody knows okay this person's taking my kid is's actually supposed to take my kid and not that's a great question I never was actually if you look at the pictures every one of our staff have to wear a birth center shirt so um the uh I think they're in green shirts this past year
um green or teal you can see them in and all the kids get shirts uh for participating in the program so uh staff have to wear youth center gear um at all times and um we don't have like a name tag or or
an ID badge but they're identified by yeah and it's the same staff who work regular unless they have a vacation or something it's you know it's it's Miss Amanda and Mr will who are there every day and the kids by the end it's like
tears when they're leaving we do like big celebrations at the end every kid gets a certificate of participation and the staff come up with like cute names for them like you know most creative most likely to be um president of the United States um most likely to be in the ml Hall of Fame right so it's a big
pizza party we invite members of council out to be mystery readers at the playground um Al I think they've had like four or five different council members come out to the playground and and see the program in action okay so um this was very very
helpful thank you I did not know about this and I think it's a great program and we'll take it under revisement and I see here that we need to make a decision by May 1st May 1st yeah it's a just planning Services working as a co-op
would be a little easier um so we have some flexibility there if we were going to just have it at po hat we would probably bump it till a little later in the summer we run session one and session two in peber that way then we could push that date back to get like our ducks in a row so there's
flexibility we're I think um just we're very easy to work with great thank you for your time and if anything comes up later please um this thank you all right next up attorney's report
Kevin not a lot tonight affable housing litigation we have a mandatory case managing Conference next month I just got that notice U nobody filed an objecting answer um uh so I don't even know why we need the case manager
conference to be honest with you but the next step will be a land Bo and Jim Kyle's going to have to develop a housing own share plan that'll be done uh we mentioned our own pavilion um John and I've been exchanged
some emails and and W and we need to get I you sent me that map we just need to meet and balance description for where those conduit lines are shown on the plan I don't know if that's enough for you Wayne or not I sent that to you but um if not also there was another engineer on the plan too we could we
could probably yeah they just don't have a survey or write the description but the I mean I can do it I my I guess my only concern is if the line's not in you know are you know how do we know it's getting put exactly where we needed to and doesn't have to move you know we're going to flag it before they put it in
true but then they start digging like you know do they hit a another utility and do they have to move it you know I if if there's a way to do this without filing it until after it's done and do it more off of a as built it might be better but we could do it either way were you good with the line where they
were on the yeah what I'll do then is is I'll I don't have a problem with that either if the school's okay that I I'll reach out to the school Atty our administrator still the same
yeah in Dian and they're aware of what we're ask maybe I'll suggest that look why don't we agree to put it in under a temporary license once it's in there's also going to be some fencing there too right uh on
in the field like around the around the field of be fencing but on the property where the electric and water because we're going through um the current soccer field that's there behind the school and because the hookup is right there um the water hookups right at the
back in school and so the electrical I'll see if I can work out a quick temporary license agreement and then once it's in we could describe it by down they want us to do that frankly once it's in just there yeah I'm okay just accessing right and not record
anything whatever the school wants so I can do it that way okay so John where where's the location of the currently set try to work down the that we're thinking about doing would be where the parking lot is the right area where that
volleyball it's like up that volleyball that's that's the that's the you know site right now we're thinking about um but again too once I just was making sure you didn't move it to the middle that's no no you know you tomorrow maybe you can do you have dian's contact we'll do it
that way okay let's try to do it that way that would be easy I agree y um other than that we have an ordinance on the agenda I drafted that Jen's request was um this is on Veterans uh tax exemptions and the retroactivity of them
I guess that's come a bit dicey Al I don't know why the statute are clear but she recommended this and I problem with it so that's the agenda uh haven't seen a lot of commercial tax appeals so if I wasn't happy to see I see our M theater closed
over there so yeah Regal March 3rd yeah so I don't know whether you April 1 is the tax deadline to file appeal so I don't know what will happen there but right now we're good and other than
that yeah we just resolved that with the closure of U stop stop show and so I don't know we'll see with that um I've not heard from the cubes last I did hear they were still trying to finalize their pilot on the pack side of that uh I did
have some discussions with eii I won't get into our discussions SCH at this point but um you know I did just suggest to their attorney you call we at their request we designated that at we development if there's any applic to TW
what they have to be honest with you I think you better off going in that direction than the traditional landuse application plus they don't have no High's councel approval and I think that's kind of critical and I kind of recommend it they were deemed incomplete at the L I kind of suggested that that
probably best to get the high because it's that's kind of critical and that's about what we're working on so cubes did get something from um was it County right yeah so I believe that they're I I think that
means that they're done with on because they they got their okays on both towns submitted that to the County planning board and got an approval like the final approv from the county they they have their site plan Stu but last I heard and
this was just recently they the first and second we that's an ordinance on the pilot and that hadn't they hadn't I'll follow tomorrow okay I think it's going to be in I'm hoping that they draw fromit it looks like they're on track to draw commit sometime this spring that
would be very important for you guys because that'll be your first shot of ordable Housing Development te money and there's also some Community impact te money there so that will help with uh you know sewer stuff and all that so oh
the other last thing the the Greek Warehouse case is also settled okay that that just recently settled that's being finalized so that that will be dismissed and so hopefully that too is going to be so for clarification when you say is
that the W where National suit approval that our board gave them that's off okay so actually pretty pretty good m in of good that's it for you Wayne engineer report sure um so I
have a bunch of things in the report that are just redundant that I'm going to keep on there moving forward just so that we don't lose track of them but I'll touch on the the changes um ping Avenue uh the drainage installation is complete so the pipes are all in everything went pretty well
um and they'll be looking to do Paving in the next couple weeks to finalize that um you know so we basically found out we had you know a pipe that hasn't been working for years it was completely filled um and that's why they were having so many flooding issues over there and so now we have a brand new
pipe in there and that should resolve uh the issues down over there um Ohio Avenue still on target for spring construction here of the uh Culver and the paving um still waiting on plants to reopen and they're trying
to get this uh prefab structure cast uh at the moment um Park and Recreation Grant uh just keeping that on the radar that we should get uh word on the next award uh June July of this year um you know they're still trying to finish up here
in the next I would say hopefully month or so um um the Vaneli Park improvements they're just waiting on the the temperature to get up there so that they can do the painting and the striping and everything um in the right conditions so that that all all
takes um Pinterest Point Road still in dot closeout they now have everything they need from us um we oversaturated them with a bunch of uh you know proof on all payments uh so they're just going through that at this point um you know so we can get full uh recovery on that
on that grand amount um as you remember last time we did the uh resolution to join the Educational Services Commission Co-op uh that is in their hands now they're just reviewing that um you know make sure they have everything they need and then can you
know hopefully enter us into their program um we kind of you know went ahead and got a hold of their roofing contractor for the DPW roof um you know to start getting pricing on that um they came back with their preliminary numbers
uh the roof uh was coming in at between 7,860 and 8,800 and I guess to go along with that there's issues with the um the waterproofing on the wall um which they're estimating another 10,000 to
30,000 until we get into the co-op they're just not finalizing their numbers but they want to give us the range of where they were looking so you know again this this would be going through the co-op which was you know was essentially would already be like a a selected contractor based on however
they you know bid and selected them in the first place we wouldn't have to bid this I mean certainly we could you know go out for other bids I don't know if they would be higher or lower um you know it's more this is more of an architectural issue you know that we don't really typically deal with um you
know in terms of a bid specification but you know it's something that could be done if you really wanted to um you know make sure that you were getting you know the best pricing on that so I mean best to say is think about those numbers and um you know hopefully when they
officially bring us in which has a lot of other advantages I know I've talked to Jeff about it you know he's happy to have another place that we can buy material from in a co-op that might give us better pricing in other other areas um but we'll see where their final number comes in once uh you know once
we're committed um you know I think the last time we were here Lin was still at their three tcos that's still where they're at they haven't gotten it on that last building yet but they're getting pretty close at this point um you know we start to put
together their punch list of uh you know final items uh you know for the site and I was told that they should be going for the fourth Co um probably this month um talking to the railroad about uh
River Road um they are finally getting around to the uh the safety improvements at the railroad crossing at the uh curve um they've asked the do to have their preconstruction meeting um and they got a non-committal reply on that but in any
event they've told them that their uh anticipated start date is April 21st um so I think they were trying to put it over Easter break the you know maybe try to limit the uh the traffic over there um so hopefully that uh finally gets completed and also on River Road um the
drainage project we had where their you know their failed pipe um you know uh cost some damage uh under the roadway um they'll be installing their um basically a structure there uh to tap into um putting that on the side of the road for
drainage and then the DPW is going to um excavate the roadway and install the pipe so that's also something they're looking to do here in the next couple weeks um Jeff's aware of it so you know we're just waiting for them to do their part and then we'll get our pipe in the ground and then hopefully that will uh
um you know resolve that uh that issue over there okay so I was up and down River Road a couple times most recently this afternoon there's a significant hole just south of the pitch [Music] hat on Long River Road is that the wash
out on the down hill side towards the tracks yeah yeah if that's the same spot then yeah I mean that that is that the place you're talking about getting this thing install yeah they're going to put their their structure on the uphill side which is going to take their drainage and all the drainage from our roadway
that kind of went to that pipe the pipe was in terrible condition to begin with I mean it was ancient but the damage that occurred because of theirs caused it to wash out further and it's it's gone at this point so um there there's a huge hole and I don't know if we can get
by the L cabin that's yes and all that is in there to warn people is one skinny plastic reflector strip LLY sideways and the hole I think we need to spray around that with some fluorescent or stick a cone in that hole
because the hords of motorcycles that are coming up over the road and you know you have other cars they fall into that dip it's a mess if that's a safety issue something that's Allroad
over I mean we're thinking this is going to get done here in the next couple weeks like I know Jeff intends to come in right after they do their feast and I just feel uncomfortable being in charge of safety in public having that open hole there and there's no nothing no
cone or anything by that it's just open there's no fluorescent pain around it I I can certainly ask them to put something up in the meantime especially because they're planing to do the work I can have them just do that for you know just for safety purposes sure yeah yeah it's dangerous
yep um shimer school you know as I mentioned again last time they uh uh you know submitted an application which at the last board meeting was again deemed incomplete I know they've been doing some work over there they do have a demolition permit they seem to be doing
it very carefully um da said it was asbest removal B yeah I say the only reason they would be doing it the way they are is because they either had asbest or lead so it sounds like that's that's the reason you know they're they're proceeding as they are but um you know they do have the permit for that um but we haven't heard anything
back since we you know wrote wrote a letter and uh advised them of the issues uh that they have to address um sewer capacity uh we had a lengthy discussion about that last time uh by the next meeting we'll have uh everything should be finalized to give
you like a report on what you know what we're going to suggest the costs associated and uh you know see about you know your interest in moving that forward um you know to to address the inii issues in in Cedar and Z's um you know which seems to be the worst spot
based on the report that uh Remington bernick uh prepared for us um and finally our ms4 compliance uh which is our storm water uh permit um we're about halfway through all the work that we were doing under the highlands Grant um that'll all be completed this
year um next month uh we'd like to get on your agenda for uh to do a presentation probably take 15 minutes plus any questions you may have um you know to basically go over over uh some of the items from that um you know it's one of our mandatory things for
compliance that we you know present this to you in a kind of a public forum where people can you know comment or you know bring up questions on it um so you know we're doing our our first uh such meeting in Warren County in another town this month and um you know once we go
through that um you know bring bring it here to to go over that with everybody so you're all aware of where you know where all that stands and then uh this is also the month that will be submitt our uh yearly report to the D uh for you know our our overall uh compliance uh
this year so uh that that'll be completed this month and that's all we have thank you Wayne any questions for Wayne all right we're going to switch gears up a little bit and we're going to shift and the update from our
CFO I hand I didn't this is about our current death situation I just a few of these for you um so we're looking at the situation
with the town first of all we're working on the uh financial statement with the Auditors that should be done very shortly so we can proceed with the budget that's where we are with that um so there's a group of us that meet and talk about the debt situation of the
town okay that's what we do and you can see on the first two pages it shows the debt where we are right now which is in git shape right but we do have notes that are outstanding and the problem with the notes is it's very hard to sell
them at this they're very small they're not well relatively speaking or not but about2 or3 million um we've been we've been selling them in short very short time because we can't get them for a year people won't
buy them companies won't buy them Banks so because if you look on the third page you're going to see where the total debt this last year was pay was $541,000 do you see that on the third
page at the very end in 2024 thir P third page yeah yeah okay so this year your debt drops off down to 281,000
with that though we have to borrow notes okay keeping it very simple we're thinking of taking those notes which have been out there a long time and eventually you have to start to pay the principal and going out for bombs this but not until October of this year so
I'm trying to plan here that your debt service continues BAS basically the same and that's how you do that and the interest right now is is in good it's good place to be so I want to be able to present this a little bit more to you
but this is my thinking so that we can permanently Finance the projects that have already been paid paid for of notes um basically the biggest reason is I can't get notes anymore they're very hard to get it's a small issue it used
to be easy we sold to free hold at one time uh this year we're able to get a bank to pick up them but they were only for 6 months now we're looking at another six-month issue and then go out for debt um The Sounds in great shape for that I'll
say so this is basically just the schedules that I I had gotten from um Phoenix your financial advisor um so you'll hear a little bit more about this I hope you'll be open to looking at doing this issue
so I did want to talk a little bit also about um the sewer J um first of all I wasn't sure but that Community impact day is for the sewer right Kevin Kevin what is the community
impact fee is for sewer only right no no Computing impact go right to our I kind of want to put the into we because um similar to the impact of ini I am I right is that what you said last time yes okay so we're going to have that big
project and depending on what Wayne says I'm thinking that we can fund it in a couple of different ways and because I think it's critical for you to get this done am I right way yes we're going to be out of
capacity I think working with um John with who's our bond attorney maybe we think about putting out a bond ordinance for whatever the number is and financing it a couple of different ways some of
the connection fees the inii fees that are coming in and also the community impact fees you can get the job done we can take out a couple of notes we can Finance it over a bunch some time it doesn't have to be bonded right away
that's the point maybe we can and I think Kevin you mentioned something about co- fees can go towards this as well well that that just depending right that was what I'm thinking here to be honest with you because my my only concern would be is if we again as far as the community
impact fees that's completely discretionary to what you guys decide to do with those those those come in the general Bill and up to you and and allocate what line you want you put in Surplus you put it in wherever you want uh you can give something you know it's wide open we can pay for a summer
program program by the way the open space Recreation but the only the open space our open space trust fund ordinance includes Recreation thank you for telling me that you're welcome but the only my only
concern with what Ann is suggesting is I have like been pounding for last couple rounds of COA on Fair Share housing everything else to to make sure that we can use the big chunks of
affordable housing trust fund money that we're getting from the two Warehouse projects um I mean that's going to be$ three or4 million worth those stock that's going to completely pay for it my only concern in is that if we borrow for it are we going to be able to pay ourselves back with those funds that's
the only thing I'd want to coordinate yes so what I was going to do is if we can do that I'm I'm great I think I'll speak to John Dr I just want to get your blessing I guess to do that and that we can write the ordinance in such a way where it's a bond orance however it can
be funded by other means such as the community impact your inii or we get the money from COA to be able to do that but my suggestion is to move on this based on what the conversation was last time we were talking about what about 900,000
to a million yeah so we we've done all the math um roughly speaking like if I put a 20% contingency on it we were at like 1.3 million so you're B to be like 1.1 and that's also we're looking at that as like a worst case because until
you do the first step which is now cameraing it and figuring out where the leak like now we know the sections that have leaks but we don't know exactly where in that portion you have to do it so that's assuming you're doing a full lining if as we're doing the camera inspection we realize that certain
sections don't have problems we just don't do the lining just just so you're aw I am from a timing standpoint that was kind of part of my report earlier right I I do fact um the old Philipsburg mall to to break ground um I I believe
this like sometime between now and say summer they they owe half of the um their their full hous development fee at building permit the leave and half that c so I would say this year on that project we should get in excess of a million because that's all based upon
gen's equalized assess value so you know I I'll follow up on that I'll put you in the but just in terms of your year and joh note planning and stuff you'll know we'll have a better idea when that's coming and we could again I I know I
would have complete Comfort I mean that technically has to go into the trust fund you know the budget but I have no I would no no problem pulling a good chunk of that out for this project because so I think we we need it for ingr the E has an affordable housing component uh you
know so it's it's we're not fooling around with that I will make sure that that that's built into our plan when Jim does it yeah 100% so I guess my my flot are to get the number to get the ordinance maybe if you don't mind me
asking John to write up an ordinance for us which gives us some flexibility as to how we can fund this because it seems to be urgent uh based on what I heard and what we spoke about and maybe we could get that moving not necessarily money was but at least the approval on that
and then see how it has to be funed because don't forget it takes time and depending on the timing will depend on how much money you need you may not need it all the ones you may need some of it temporarily for 6 months but if you all feel that you need to do that I have the
means you know I'll follow up if if you give me your blessing to follow up with John and see what we can do yeah I mean I think we should do that sounds good to me I've been kind of beat the drum you've been saying that a long time right yeah been and yeah we're getting
close enough that we should have some financing in place cuz at time Wayne designs that you got to bid right yeah we'll be next year before that works done probably what's your timeline for this some would you like to see the ordinance and all this well I'd like to see Go I mean it's really up to all of
you once we get the number from Wayne we can then introduce an Ordnance and it really doesn't change anything unless you start it just gives you permission that you have permitted us to be able to go out for financing of this project which would have to be bid I assume and
there's a large initial phase of us managing figuring out where like where we're lining and then we turn that into the second phase which is the actual like work on you know doing that something next meeting you we can we'll have you the proposal of the full breath of what it is we're doing you have a
number and we fin that through that ordinance you know any cost that go with that all through that ordinance as part of the so I mean well would that ordinance and be you know because like
sewer utilties selfing utility would the would that ordinance be the utilities ontility so be a little bit different guys again I think is actually better because it keeps the debt separate and you can use its Surplus as to 5% and all that yeah you don't need a 5% down I'm
looking or ility so you don't need a down payment because it's self technically speaking your sewers is what they call Self liquidating so it's it's part of us and of course you you run it but it actually is its own animal
so that will actually work out well for this um yeah and so in other words it won't be into this where where an's talking about consolidating you can keep it over here exactly yeah you have your own debt your it's almost like like you said it's like a call little company but
so you won't need a down payment at all I think it's definitely good idea can I switch gears in yeah we've talked about reeval yes um and I know that that's having an impact on some of our the tax base and everything else so from a
strategic perspective where are we for and I don't know maybe there's some funds coming from these upcoming projects that we can also put to that cuz that's a that's a big a big number it is big number it is and usually with that you do it over 5 years you pay for
it you uh have to pay but in the budget it goes it's like a 5year emergency kind of thing where it doesn't hit and impact your budget right away so it may not be quite as bad the last two I just did one England garden and that g Garden smaller
and it was about 77,000 it was a lot more wow better than I thought is that it and then we just did one in badier which was just a little more they're both under 100 oh uh there's that's great news I 10x that no no no I think
you're going to be pleas you have more it all is off how many how many line items yeah remember but so you'll be a little bigger than that but I think you'll be low low 6ig not as bad as can't say take over five years we can
move it over five years in your budget which is a specialized Bond ordinance that isn't really aom okay I think Jen's okay starting that process for 47 I gave her um we put money in to sort the maps we have to get
all maps our tax maps will I mean they should be done this year um you know we've been P we picked the weight it last year we got you know more to do I am still shocked that the things were constantly getting like people are bringing things to us and like I mean
these matches have not been maintained decades the prerequisite before we ever do the bond ordinances Wayne's got to complete that they have to go to the director of the division of taxation he has to approve that those maps and they never approve them on the
first round there's always a tweak or two or 10 or 10 pages I would say if we can focus on trying to get our maaps approved this year I think that would make Jen very happy because then we could go out to bid next year possibly
for maybe an early 2027 Ral get that on the books at the end of the year you guys be right yeah it just takes time yeah it just takes we started the process last year well the longest journey starts with the first step thank you well thank you and just
to touch on the you know the sewer stuff too I mean that one Warehouse that never gave us any grief about paying their 100,000 should be coming soon because they never fought us on it and you know that's well underway in construction I don't know where uh has
there I had I have I have followed up with the other one and uh apologize that attorney who's represents them filed all the the uh opposing answers for the Builders Association onund some
municipalities who didn't like their number and filed for a lower number so he's been a bit busy but I you I think we're going to resolve that and get another chunk of money yeah that' be great somewhere some low six figure dollar amount I think that'll work out all it can put in theity or whatever and
is there connection fees involved with something that's what they're paying so they're not paying alloc pay connection so we have like conne yeah we have $120,000 commitment and the other ones could be another 100 and then if Shamy shine goes through with theirs they're looking at 130 so and that's
what that is for it's an investment into your utility so we can use all that money but in the meantime we'll get an ordinance put together so we can start the work when you give me a number yep I'll have for next John tomorrow just to get you
know great thanks Sam thank you all right next up Town Council reports start with Nelson um the uh DPW checked all the Township roads on a daily basis checked the park garbage weekly um
Jeff and builded a cyber security video training course uh ppw assisted the court clerk with moving file cabinets and desks uh from one office to another uh also took the roof contra tractor around the DPW garage uh for an estimate
on fixing the Leaky Roof uh prepared and typed up a report for mayor slack regarding the brush drop off area at the DPW Yard uh uh checked and cleaned drainage throughout the township roadways salted and plowed roadways as
necessary Municipal parking lots and sidewalks uh power wash equipment used in snowstorms cold patched potholes on shackle toown Mount Joy Cemetery persing liot hunt and saem Alley roads put the
roadstone and potholes on Ravine Road cut up uh and chipped trees that came down during the wind storms that we had on still Valley Mountain River and Carpentersville roads trim and Chip trees on Creek
Road removed rocks that came down onto uh River Road uh from Storm events cleaned up areas of uh plow damage that happened during plowing uh was called about a sewer backup at 403 Sussex Avenue uh DPW went
out pulled a manhole cover to inspect and found standing water in manhole number 234 and checked manhole 233 and saw that it had no flow at all crew ran sewer machine from manhole 233 through
234 up to manhole 23 5 to make sure everything was clear uh DPW found that there were Rags caught in sewer M uh he used the equipment to clean those out uh and restored the proper flow no further
action was taken uh DPW dump truck went down during the last snowstorm and had to be towed and repaired by low and Moyer uh rotated tires on DPW pickup trucks DPW Mason dump uh truck left
front tie rod was broke it had to be repaired uh surface uh DPW surfaced the uh serviced the fire company brush truck 75-82 and serviced police vehicle 75-3 rotated the tires and serviced
police vehicle 75-1 that is it um Mr council president maybe this would be a good time I I got a text from his hospital bed from yeah imploring the council to give some
guidance on I was just about to the brush drive off I guess in terms of hours of operation whether you want to put some money in the budget for fence in yeah Nelson maybe you want to go through and add to your report yeah Nelson pi yeah
thanks okay um a DPW report based on the brush drop off uh service area that that that they have uh in talking with waren County Health Department we we DPW still have
no real answers that are definite on the brush drop off area I reached out to the state uh njde and have still not got a phone call back Warren County Health Department says we are compliant with them uh with having our brush put in the
bins and where we store our grindings from our brush because we have Jersey barriers surrounding the area still uh if someone would complain the state department the state d uh would come out and check and at the time if the D wasn't happy with what we've done they
could issue a fine I've spoken with a couple of other townships and they' have told me the same thing I haven't heard from anyone saying what the price that there's a that there is a price for a permit Holland Township had put $224,000 in their budget for this year and their
road crew their Road supervisor Corey said that they don't close their brush drop off in the winter months and they're just about out of money for separating their leaves and brush uh no grass with 40 yard dumpsters the cost per dumpster is
$1,100 as for loose debris and grass separate not not grinded uh I also spoke with with Brandon Mets from hybridge he is the town DPW supervisor he was kind enough to give me some paperwork uh that they had to do with their County also if
Council wants to move forward with keeping our brush drop off area open I feel we should have set hours during the week maybe two days during the week and open on a Saturday from 9:00 a.m. till 3:00 p.m. and it would have to be it would have to be supervised during those
areas we would have to barricade off both sides of our brush drop off area so no one could dump when it is when it is closed in the near future we as the town should put in budget uh for purchase of an electric fence gate and cement blocks
to make the drop off bin area larger and black toppy area in front of the bins so nothing goes onto the ground around our drop off area I would also encourage Council to maybe check if any uh one in our Township that might have property they would like to sell and move our
drop off there potentially uh old H property across from the municipal building with this being said our drop off area is still close to a class one stream uh by keeping it by keeping the drop off area the way it is now we are
really not compliant but we would be closer than we were in the past with just these changes uh and he attached some paperwork that he received from other Township for refs so I'm interested in um the council's
opinions uh based upon Jeff's letter I know when I read it I saw that that first statement there that the County Health Department was fine with our current setup um felt that we um were in
compliance however appreciating that Jeff has has not had any feedback from the state and from the training you received that there may be some concerns around compliance specific to the proximity of our dump area and the P concrete
um I know I was chatting with councilman stillo prior to this evening because I was up at the school this past weekend looking at the progress of the fields and one of the things I've been sort of
racking my brain over to what Jeff has at the end of this note here is is there anywhere else that we could put some type of drop off um I got maybe a little bit prematurely excited because when I saw the stakes out I said oh we got all
this space between here and the solar field but councilman stillo has uh educated me that there's probably not as much room there uh there's future plans for for some of that area um I guess
what are people's opinion do we think that this is an issue do we think we need to be um as regimental as what you know Jeff may be proposing here with regard to the drop off days and um do we
want to roll the dice and say you know Well County feels we're compliant yeah I mean this it says we're compliant with warm County and then we are trying to get answers from the state if we document that we've been trying to get answers from the state and someone does complain and DP comes in say listen
we've been trying to get some sort of clarification on this and maybe there be you know less likely to you know what fine or you know just okay you know what now you got to do what you got to do cuz right now I mean they can't get a hold of anybody so who's going to I mean
who's going to come here uh that's what I'm saying is it something to where we're just making more out of it because of that one complaint that could happen which could never happen I mean but but so and and so seems like a lot of you know moving around a lot of um things
that have to happen just to you know what's been going now been good thing the county has CL for fun yeah and I I can tell you for one I've heard specific feedback from residents about the use of the drop off facility that you know this
is a big plus um and people are going to be very unhappy if we don't have that opportunity not everybody has property where they can drop off brush or or put some stuff and uh they they value the opportunity to have that here and then
once it's mulched to to pick up the mulch for their for their homes and uh properties in GRE what are your thoughts well it's Spring Fun and people are pruning and breaking and where is it going right now is it still being
operated as it was before right now it's closed it's closed what are people doing with that waiting yeah I can tell you where they're putting it now they've been wait we've been getting calls asking when does the yard waste area open and I tell them normally it would
be April 1st but council's going to have to make a decision because of all of these new D regulations so we don't know what we can do so I told him just hang on so it's what are you thinking I think we need to figure out a plan je is suggesting this
plan so that we can keep it open to go with we need have some something in place and we need Su rou tee can't have it open 7 days a week like we had last year drop St we need something nson yeah
I'm inclined to I'm thinking pretty much the way John is um I'm I don't want to go too far to solve I I won't for lack of and word I think L solv is theoretical problem you haven't been confronted with a problem yet yes uh and if we if we are there's well there's
negotiation there's discussion there's variances there's grandfathering there's other things uh the fact that we're near a class one stream okay we've been near a class one stream a really long time these are actually any any impact to that so I would not be averse to the physical improvements that uh Jeff
suggested I'm not sure I think it's necessary to curtail the uh the access dayses and so forth uh but that's kind of my thing yeah I'm somewhat aligned with that um I don't know if we need to cut back on the hours or have this the
supervised um drop off um I mean from my perspective legally Kevin I typically you would get a notice of violation and chance of cure any wife can be kid you're not just going to get hit the fine right that um but isn't
that what said would happen that we would get hit potentially there's a hypothetical that's that's a pretty hypothetical I've never seen that in 30 plus years where they find just out they they'll usually say what's the problem is here's no violation give you a chance
to cure to Nelson's point at that point you can say hey well thanks we've been trying to get this information from you for a long time and as long as you start working towards compliance then you be okay not to say you can't put some of this stuff in the budget I'm not saying you shouldn't but I I would just tell
you in terms of the wait and see approach I'm not too concerned about getting fed right out of the gate they typically don't do that they'll give you a notice first for reference I I I did have a client just get a fine for $35,000 but it was after he had ignored
two violations yeah he work for so yeah he didn't do what they told him to do he got $35,000 and it is an election year too I mean you know just be aware we we did get inspected last year by this you shouldn't be worried about the County
Health Department they're not the ones who running a b you are complying with that it's the D and their rules that we're not complying with having said that I would I would bet you that 75% or more of the townships that are still running this are also non complying
everyone's doing the same thing because the rules are honorous the guy from the D who came and inspected us told us what our problems are he also you know it wasn't his job to bring it up so he didn't um but he said if you you know if you do you know simply where it is we'll
never be there is no way to be compliant where we keep our our stuff now it is literally impossible is it I mean you know the items you're talking about are not the ones that are actually going to be the biggest issue for DP for compliance if you if you're not interested in doing them I don't know
that that's that's where the real problem is that's the problem I mean the problem is in the location um and you know in the general maintenance you need a storm water discharge permit you need a um you know they want you to have a recycling permit you know under a different classification that's the bigger issue
in my opinion but you know you could you know when are we going to get the inspector who actually enforces this who knows I don't know and at that point it might be at the point in some my municipalities have been doing this where where where
they're just given U you know passes to take it to the to the landfill or whatever you know if you get to the point where compliance becomes to owners from the expens standpoint to address it then you know because as Wayne said again he Wayne's reported this many
times these are Band-Aids they're not really going to we're still going to get a no of violation right so I'm saying so let's let's start you know coming up with the plan but let's not just you know what close everything and say you know let's move somewh let's I would say have it
open April first do what we've been doing all these years and then let's formulate a plan of okay is there a spot that inves yeah investigate and then have a plan today if they do come and say Hey listen your violent we have a plan in place May got a lot of
what about what about um all those uh tax leans that we went through and we secured those properties is there any let me check and see what we still have yeah we are very limited just to in terms of location like when Jeff brought that one up I think the problem is like we're a lot of our towns in the highlands preservation area so we can't
you know just because property is there we don't have the ability to put down the cave surface of the size that lets you even get permits for these things so relocation is a tough thing to do if the property is not already pre-developed like you know we had talk about moving
it over behind the the ball fields um you know right and it was like well it's better in some ways but you know cuz it's not a flood plane right now it's in a flood plane you know but it's still not comping we did foreclose several properties some we s sold at auction but
we do have some need go through that list K and I'll just s them the Wayne and I don't know if any look possible that's option I think maybe what the May would here suggest maybe take action at least make a motion to open the thing April one as John suggests we well I
think we just need to put the guidepost around what we're comfortable with yeah and so you know for just further conversation around that because Jeff's got a lot of recommendations in here including limiting the hours and and just to put that just to put that in context though the reason he's trying to
limit the hours is because one one of the issues with compliance is when we get so much material you're not supposed to keep it for a certain period of time so I think the idea was if we can control when people are bringing in he can do what he's got to do to get out
because we don't want large accumulations sitting for long periods of time because it makes it more likely that we're going to be caught out of compliance if we can control the timing he can do what he's got to do to process material get the material out so that it's not lingering which is one of the
criteria they're looking for set hours like the set hours they not going be able to control without the fening should we did we mention anything about it C no oh and we're not entertaining those dumpsters at this point anyway I mean it
I mean is he able to he my understanding is he really can't control access the way it is right now because people can still get in around the back or something yeah but then you got you also have the the town vehicles that need to get access to the fuel and everything you can't block the Ingress and egress right did the DPW rip his hand right no it's
all right so the other thing is too is the people dumping they're dumping rocks conrete if we're not there we're not seeing it gets all buried in there and then we're diing it out when you know when we're grinding now the other thing is too is they said uh when we grind it they want it in Wing rows 6t High Wing
rows for it to break down that's what pushing that isso to and that's what the $35,000 fine I mentioned was for cuz they didn't have it in the wind rose [Applause] okay [Music]
um what do people feel about the hours and the two days a week open I think it's a bit restrictive but I'm open to I mean to Saturday 9 to three I'm saying that thing is a huge opportunity but do we have to have it
monitored I guess is the question is that well other thing is too is like those say we do get fences off we're going have have cameras each because people are going to dump it clothes are gone DP right the f I guess they had an issue with that with a clean up when your fire out here you know years ago so
I mean are there there's cameras now I don't know if they're working we don't have any access to this so I can't tell you who does there's monitors down in the police department that but I can't tell you 100% if they're reporing okay exactly how much
is covered yeah cuz there's one right on the corner of the building yeah I mean there like we can see it to the DPW garage like we we can see all that I think the parking lot for the most part but I don't know if it's recording or any of that I know uh Carson he had said something about
trying to get somebody out to look at I it's Cooper yeah we use so I mean at least that would be a good deterrent you had if you had a you know sign up that watching you have sign sign's open for specific hours and nobody yeah I
don't we didn't say we're watching get people have put the ad sign in front of their house they don't really have you put a sign we get that fixed you're being monitored you know you're going to be whatever I think at least then majority of people are going to see that and hopefully back off and then if we get the cameras working then we can get
license plates I think we also have to do a better job communicating this to our residents because the what I got I was actually after church somebody cornered me and said why I don't know the why and um
yeah no but I think we need to maybe make that yeah on our website or something so that people can see the why and it's not that we sat we sat here and said you know what we want to make your lives miserable so we're going to do do this we can't do this we can't do this is going to be in Nanny town no that's
not what we're doing here we've got another unfunded mandate that we're having to come you know to to meet the the uh compliance with regulation and um and so okay so let's is like
to insert that this is a public meeting that is recorded and is posted on our website we're talking about putting up signs to intimidate people and keep them away and cameras that aren't maybe maybe not recording not keep away give them a gift of awareness I'm just saying that
you know it's out there now yeah unfortunately the majority of the residents do not access these these calls we've seen that firsthand without applications or things that we've actually even noticed for ingred we've actually sent somebody a certified mail that said this is what's going to happen
and then they come in two years later and said I didn't know about this so you know I think anything we can do to help get that communication out there and to to drive that forward and maybe Wayne will ask if if you can uh help with with
Jeff support to put something that we could put on the a summary on the website that helps to expl explain some of this in a in a way that our residents can say oh okay this is Trenton that's doing this and it's not po hat right sure when do we get those uh tax bills
uh wo with all the with all the well it depends on when you adopt your budget okay so we could Pro that that would be another ad yeah well we can't fit another piece of paper in there without going over the
postage of It is Well I think at the end of the day we need to look for an alternate location right that's that's going to be well I'm just saying if you guys you know stay here or whatever figure it out here do something that I think we need an
interim plan to allow our residents to have access while we figure out what that possibility I mean the other thing I thought about is could you throw a liner in there right throw a liner on the inside and that would stop leate right
theoretically in terms of the rules it doesn't do anything but I mean from I mean practically speaking yes yeah to prevent actual problems does it satisfy them no get riip I don't know I mean that's why they want you to pave under it so there's no
nothing leeching but the problem is you know it's like okay when it rains everything goes down and it you know travels out that's that's one of their concerns yeah all right so let's take some action here um um you want to entertain a
motion to open the uh the date for opening I think yeah but I think also the what else you want to put what restrictions if any do we want to put I mean Jeff recommended you know
um with set hours during the week maybe two days during the week and open on Saturday from 9: to 3 so um what days were they are they thinking Monday what's the issue with the time so if we had it open all weekend Saturday and
Sunday what's the issue with the the monitoring or the the size of the pile and everything is there like a 24-hour time Lane you have to turn it around and well it's we're not supposed to let it accumulate like this at all because we don't have the permit so his you know the thought we had with Jeff was if you
know if it was there for a day or two that then they could take care of the processing and the pile of those back down you know if anybody came out most of the time going to see processing out but does that mean more grinding whe they grinding they taking it somewhere you know whatever the case may be yeah
but then that's more tub grinding that's more money too yeah it's it's a lose lose I think he's some about restricted hours cuz as the BW gentlem in the back is keep saying they want to be there to watch because they're getting all kinds of other stuff other than brush grass and weeds they're
getting concrete but you should be able to catch that on the camera but they don't record but they're not working well we Sol so so I think that was the reason for the restricted hour so maybe maybe the restricted hours is not an issue if if we're not concerned about having
being want all make a motion make sure we Bud for Cera yeah so maybe that's what I'm thinking Kevin is let's if if everyone in Council agrees maybe we'll entertain a motion to open
up the drop off on April 1st um we'll continue to get uh investigate alternate sites as well as um potential improvements uh with the the most immediate effect being looking into the camera um and then potentially some
signage uh around that in addition to notify the residents VIA website and then when the tax bills go out I'll make that motion myself right there is there a second second Nelson second got a motion on the floor any discussion
further discussion all right can I get a roll sure gray yes Lizetti yes Melvin yes still yes all right um continuing on with
Council reports councilwoman GRE um um April 11th at 4:00 the Commissioners will be handing a big check to uh the society for uh shine mention
Grant and Mike Mar has invited mayor and Council to be there to share in that moment I'm sorry April 11th April 11th at 400 p.m. 4 p.m. at the m at the man
you shimer Manor mansion with um the Commissioners getting a very large check uh let's see here uh the historic commission met um only three of us were there Mike Mar was elting chairperson we had no new
business regarding old business uh we were disappointed that Greek developers had failed to place glue tarps on the roof of historic Stonehouse this past fall in ler still uncovered Scenic byway meeting on March
8th there was nothing new low attendance and we couldn't elect officers so we're going to have a followup meeting on March 24th and if you might remember John tronis who brought the idea of being involved in the cway he stepped down for health reasons we'll miss him he's
really important and that's all I have at this point right thank you Council um very little tonight uh with re um we're still having a meeting hopefully we're going to have one in
April um just to go over the fall Sports and winter sports results and budgets and things like that um we're going to discuss uh waivers for anyone that wants to either play for po or the PO to play for a different town um an issue with
that for baseball so um hopefully have a meeting in April to discuss that um the new Fields hopefully up there behind the uh school as we CED before hopefully we'll get that easement so we can look to start getting the power and water to
the area and now that hopefully yeah that was that was uh that was done by um Iron fear and a no C so that was just there a between where the school soccer fields are to there's a pathway
right in the middle to where our fields are and there's nice retaining wall really nice stone work has been done that's what Aaron did it yep well if he did on his own I acknowledge that it's it's thank him for for his service yeah and uh so like so now
hopefully we won't have a month of no rain like you did the fall so the spram um we're going to get up there and you know just we still have some seed left over and some fertilizer that we're going to Fed again and um air rate it and then hopefully get that popping for
this for the summer and then on there was a motion about with Mareno long care we chose to do um per cut because we have no idea how this grass is going to grow in the spring so why do a contract when you know we'll just do as as need basis and then hopefully the the dads
are going to start uh to um you just keep working up there we'll see what's your plan if we have it out this time you mean longterm like spring cles well well once water gets up there
we can always use you know uh sprinklers on on there but until that happens if it's a drought like again we hold all April no rain then there's nothing we can do we're we're in we're in the hands of Mother Nature right now what are you expecting water up there uh once we if
we get that easement and then we have to d uh dig a water line and electric to uh to get to that what's the timeline for that um depending on once we get the easement it's in po proper so po has the water connection so we have to be able to get an EAS for them to allow us to
dig on the property to run the line from the school to to the FI so once that happens be very quick once we get the easement and we get everything board I mean that could be done within a few weeks you working on the E Y John just s that to me we had
mentioned before and then I think basically the chief retired never got this stuff we're going yes that was part of my report we're going to actually just try to do it with a temporary license as Wayne suggested and then if the school wants a formal easement once it's in place then Wayne can just lay it out
working hard on that so' super important also I just wonder my answer she's here I noticed in the proposal you sent me John that's like 212,000 or something we we have that right well no for for electric we're not going through that company we're not oh
we're not do people I sent the email to we're not doing n so they're not yeah they're they're we're keeping them out of it just because then you you had to go the B plus the price was just that's why I want to double check so we have yeah so we have we have um like said we
have people that are going to dig and and and do everything that needs to be done properly okay gotta yeah yeah we're going to save we're we're save a lot of money doing all this so all right I'm not GNA yeah don't worry about that we just need that plan that they drew up so
that we can you back off where the line would go yeah we had scker shock on that yeah okay sure it was covered yep so that's it all right thank you John uh from report uh first up in the Landing sport as you heard with
Wayne we had uh three uh applications that were in front of the board um all were deemed incomplete um one was for the E eai additional units one was for the Sher school and then the third one was for a
resident on Indiana AB that was doing a uh carport with solar panels and um partially we we waved him incomplete just because he had some concerns with regard to the proximity of the solar panels to overhead power lines um so
before he went and invested so much into it we deemed them incomplete so so we can get that sorted um with regard to the um the police update uh I know that
there's um currently in process uh we budgeted for two SUV vehicles uh that's that's happening um was already in the budget uh going through our our standard lease program that we utiliz um I don't know anything else to
add to that okay um and then for um I do have a report we have representatives from the emergency Squad here CL board emergency squad for the month of February we had a total of uh 38 calls for both combined po hat uh upper and
lower po hat and year to date um they've serviced uh 82 calls for Combined uh upper and lower po hat um I do have an update also from the courts um for the month of February for the
courts I cannot read my picture uh the green witch Court had 306 uh traffic violations 237 of those were disposed uh 32 um criminal charges were added of
which 30 were disposed the um monthly uh Township contribution from that Court was $9,950 27 for po hat we had 130 traffic violations 185 were disposed and just so
you recollect is that things do carry over month to month so you can have more disposed in one month than you did actually add it uh there were 35 criminal charges um that hit the court and 2 were disposed and the municipal
contribution there to the municipal budget was $4,988 cents and then for lat there were 124 uh traffic charges added and 121 disposed 13 criminal uh charges added
and five disposed for a total of $ 5,976 52 so from a year to date um green cour has had $1 15,520 44 po hat 13,000 uh
$668 and lopat $3,589 .97 you'll also see on um later on in the agenda we have mayor myself uh judge melinger uh the court staff conducted
interviews for a uh um Deputy um Court Administrator as uh Chris who's been a longtime employee with us is um going to be retiring in April so we're looking for her replacement um we had four great
candidates um and we did end up choosing one of those candidates which you'll see here uh later in the agenda and that's it for my reports okay moving on to resolutions we we have one two three
four [Music] five five five resolutions is everyone okay taking them all at once yes salute second break okay great LTI yes Melvin yes
still and moving on to ordinance we have one ordinance the first reading which is amend the code of the township ofon one County St New Jersey to add disabled veteran property tax exemption this is what Kevin talked about in the attorney
report yeah essentially the legislature Trenton expanded who is eligible as a veteran for this exemption so you're seeing a lot more of them and uh Jen just wants to qualify so so one statute indicates that the exemption starts from
the b in the year she receives a a confining application um which you have to get your uh VA certifications that you're disabl and all that type of thing uh there's a second statute that uh bit unusual but provides that by resolution
you can theoretically go further back let's say a spouse also appli the spouses that but if they for some reason delayed for two or three or four years and they say oh jeez we are eligible and they apply like in
2025 and the letter they got from V takes back to say 2020 you can on a caseby casee basis about the resolution to go back that far which is a pretty big fact fund and that come from the state or no it comes out our so well and that's the
point and I think the purpose is from Jen's perspective and just to clarify so because if you give it to one person you don't give it to another you know you can end up with why you do it here what so she just like to do this sword to say hey we made decision we treating
everybody the same everybody's going get it from the year of the date I get an application no nothing rroa yes that's what this STK you very all right so move still second grade okay great LTI yes
Melvin y still up yes all right we have no ordinances for second reading uh we do have a number of motions that are on the agenda um just speaking to a couple of them the motion with regard to the Cooper home system is for installing a
new phone line for the municipal court so I don't know if you tried to reach the court it's sometimes challenging just because of the volumes of calls we already have existing lines that roll over so what the this uh amount is for is just for the uh Cooper home Systems
installers to just redirect that um so it's a minimal cost there John spoke about Marino's long fair and why we took the per cut um approach and then there's the U the last Motion in there is for
Andrea Andy Dorcas um to be a full-time Court Deputy Court Administrator with the salary of 50,000 effective April 1st um actually I think you said to me Wanda that's going to be a different date it's going to be April 2nd I apologize yep
okay April 2 y oh can I good question who's going to determine when the sports fields and side field gets mow John will you let me know or do you want to communicate to Marina or do you want me to like how are
we going to let them know yeah what I'll do is I'll let you know that letting so that okay we'll look at it and see where we're at and then we'll I'll go through you say listen I notify him that it needs to be cut so that more than one person is all right thanks John I guess for the sake of completeness the other
motions we have here are couple raffle applications for the ohakron PTA community yard sale May 3rd and 4th the spring cleanup the week after and then hiring LMR for the spring cleanup as well as new tech recycling for any uh
electronic was that would be Cella Cella you see oh cassella bought LMR oh that's all right any questions about those motions we go take them all together I knew we take them all
together I move second by still okay Gray yes LTI yes Melvin yes still yes all right next we've got um couple of mayor's appointments and I think he's
also requir Council consent um Angela Merck so miss mer reached out to to Nelson about an interest in the position on land scort and uh Susie Linka for the environmental commission um so I guess
motion here yes please all right I'll move move these two forward um this mayor mayor's appointments for the appropriate Township councils and committee there a second
second okay second gray yep Lizetti yes Melvin yes still all right any public comments seeing none I'll accept the motion to adjourn I move wej there a
second second all in [Music] favor you can be here on 11 are you going down