cakan regular monthly meeting Tuesday February 18th 2025 I'm going to call the meeting to order it's about 5 after 7 adequate notice has been given to I guess wherever it is we're still noticing
right Wanda now no uh it's February so we are the Star Ledger and the hund and Democrat online only online only has Wanda said satisfying the requir of the open public meetings act we could all stand for a moment of silence the flag
salute a pledge ALG to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right we're going to kind of shift things around here because we have
some professional here on the clock so we are going to have a brief executive session to discuss what would you say litigation litigation and personnel and no action will be taken
probably I would assume we have to discuss what about that second item that you forwarded us the are you covering that now I'm not sure what I'm talking about so was the
one for over there on Oly Road best best the one where wanted this all that you mentioned about talking about it in executive yeah but we could we could I I think we have in public or a second ex I think we should just limit this to the
litigation issue so we get this gentleman out of here okay and then come back to the public the other one to go there is shorter okay so uh do we have to ask into she's inlo should have her we want just go here in conference room
yeah yeah there's W is there anything in the conference room down the end of the hall yeah no or which one that one probably got more seating has more seting all right so second okay and I say gray yes
Lizetti yes Melvin yep slack yes how long you think minut mayor do you want a motion to return all in favor just to recapitulate for the record we had
session attorney discussing on Poli personel matter and he gave us his legal advice uh gave us a summary of the litigation and steps will be taken to comply with the Court's
order and we give direction to our Council how to proceed uh in response to the decision and that was the sole topic of discussion the executive all right thank you Kevin uh Ann are you one for anything tonight
that you want to get out of here you're just here for I'm here for fun [Music] okay all right thank all right uh let's see where are we at we to approve our regular and
etive session minutes of January 21st so move second there was one um Amendment it was just a typo on the it was like an es or something I'll tell you where it was I
saw it okay outside of that all right um I'm going to call the role gray yes Lizetti yes Melvin yes slack yes motion to pay bills payment of bills presented in the proper form signed by the director of each department and approved
by the majority of the members and listed on the bill list did anybody have any questions with any of their bills when did the bill list come in today via email okay I was not home today so not see it I
will I'll move it forward mayor I'll make a second okay Gray okay Lizetti yes Melvin yes slack yes public comments anybody that has any
public comments pertaining to agenda items and agenda items going to make comment Jeff okay that's all right see no public comment uh thank you move on to
attorney's report I'll be short tonight Mr R gotten behind um I spoke today with the uh with Council for for the cubes which is the old felsburg Mall um the uh pending tax appeals have been dismissed
on that uh um as part of our approval of the pilot they were just waiting for the 45-day appeal period for that ordinance to uh lapse which it did at the end of January so we have no pending appeals there um they're waiting they're hoping by the end of this month that will
patcom will take uh action on their ordinance to approve their pilot for their portion of that project um assuming that happens this month or or not later than early than the next month um they may they would be in a position
hopefully to have all their financing pilots and everything in place and I would hope maybe break ground sometime later this spring which would uh do a couple of things for you guys it would be light at the end of the tunnel in terms of getting the rable back on the
books um pile payment would obviously kick in as soon as it's done and most important well another very important Point as soon as they draw a billing permit they have to pay one half of their Housing Development fee which will um go long ways towards funding our 100%
project so hopefully all that's going to happen I spoke with Mark P the attorney for Greek with the other project um we I was expecting theor already have happen prior for this meeting but um
Greek and National realy are are on the cusp of entering into a settlement agreement on some minor adjust ments to um the intersection where they're going to go across on Bliss um as soon as that's settled that project should be able to proceed and if
understand Mark te uh the dot is essentially on board with their I don't know Wayne if you have any further comment on this part but um or saw anything but it appears do is essentially on board with their changes to the intersection at
22 so it's more than we know but um that's what I was told today so that project too also seems to be slowly building towards possible you know actually seeing something happen on the ground sometime this year
um Jen and I also resolve the uh other pending major tax appeal for the old um Master Walmart site um where the Stop and Shop was and all that that parcel um
that that too has been resolved so right now we have no exposure to any um tax appeals in State Court which is good um and I they they have technically till April 1 to file new ones so it's possible we could get new ones but um
cautious this again Jen does a great job as well that we won't have any more state tax CT appeals it's possible she and I have to deal with a few small appeals at Warren County Tax Board you know typically small residentials usually there's a few of those um but we
should keep that pretty much under control uh I think we got all of our payments so far on the Community Development fee payments and uh on the Len project I know Jen's been on top of that because we're supposed to get those payments as cosos are issued for each
different building section and I I don't know at the end of this year that project probably get its first first calculation for a pilot payment for us for next year so again
the light at the tunnel slowly get at the end of town slowly getting brighter for us train coming um well I'm hoping it's a way of sunshine not a train going to hit us but um so do I so do I so but it everything seems that we've been
trying to do oh one last topic on that um I the uh on the 100% affordable project um ingr had asked us uh to uh draft letters to our local legisl
legislator apparently there's a Statewide issue with the hold up on on the funding remember we rush did all that stuff to help him get that funding round well that's all clogged up surprise surprise in Trenton um if you don't have any problem I ass she didn't
I just want to run it by Council I I'll work with Wanda and he kind of gave us a form letter to send they have a form letter a form letter I'll get it to WAND if you guys don't mind and the mayor can sign those and send them to the legislature I mean we want that project to happen and uh Jeff U Jeff long and
ingerman said they have like 15 projects across the state being come up including on so um that's about um Kevin you mentioned that other thing I I emailed about the eement
issue on the letter we got and yeah yeah um I would say at this point maybe just run by that do a physical inspection at some point well Jeff and I talked about it I mean there's drainage installed it so I don't understand how you would vacate an easement when we now
have a feature that we whether or not it's still under construction there's a feature there we have to he's misinterpreting the easement the only part that content well the easement wasn't perfectly drafted but basically the essence of it is only the slope the slope part could be released and that's
why I really wanted you to take a look there there's a drain Improvement then there's an extended slope portion which if it stabilized and there's grass or whatever there then I don't care if he wants to do a sure if he wants to have somebody pay to you know if you look at
that little map on the these guys there's the drainage portion and below it you see this sliver of a slope did we block the driveway there I haven't been down there I haven't paid attention because there I know a drain had taken me through the the property and it there's a Farm Road that comes out right
on Carpentersville and when I looked at his letter it almost sounded like that we may have put guard rail gu rail guide rail wouldn't wasn't part of the Str guide rails were allowed to put anywh we want conjunct with yeah so we're not
doing that and and again this this to do guide there only the drainage yeah but I I remember reading mentioned about guide rail something about guide rail being removed yeah he wanted that but that has nothing to do with this to block his driveway that's is that even our guide rail I mean but is that so Jeff do you
know anything about it or not that guide rail was put in because the drain ditch okay there's a probably an 8 n9t drop drop off there yeah any I I uh I'll take a look at it I
thought maybe what we just have just as far as the slope stabilization you saw the map on the and I sent it to you Wayne that's all I care about we're obviously not moving the drainage okay and then when Wayne let me know I he says yeah we don't we don't need that and we don't need and it's probably stable after all these years I
would assume but just double check that if we lets me know that I would draft theight letter back to them kind of explaining our position which is basically you know you're misinterpreting the easement but if you want the slope portion vated have your have your engineer or survey draw the B
description and and we'll do that that's fine we don't need to so part okay that's what we're and then we don't need anything further on that all right that's it there I think you oh I will follow up today I didn't talk to you there I'll follow up on the um issue
of getting our connection fee Weighing on that warehouse and sitting there I I think I kept you in the loop on that but I I got I did speak with their the attorney that's actually going to deal with this he wants to resolve it have you gotten any further information from them on that nothing okay I will follow
up on that this week but they conceptually understand what I'm saying now it's not it's a it's it's we're not we're not charging them for an allocation because they started referencing the old 68 699 agreement I said no you can have all the allocation you want from alpha this is a fee for
the right to use our system yep you know it's the wear and tear on our warehouses up on well the one that they got up already okay so so that we um I think we're going to resolve that but I will follow up with that as well okay did you see that um I'm just looking at the the
easement going back to the sari thing yeah I did look at it um um this I don't know if this because it talks about how he's got the right to a null but then it says also the right for us to keep the Gabon and apperances you see that is that connected at all because it was in
two spots I know I read it earlier well there is two spots there's five or six this I can't really manipulate sorry Kevin but um that's just a photo of the section I took there's there's there's reference to to a reverter a no
in like paragraph enumerated five or six of the actual easement and then you are correct Kevin there's a second reference to it actually the meets and Bounds description the description that the reference in the meets and Bounds description is essentially correct because all obviously you're not
reverting something when you're putting a physical drain Improvement in you're never giving up that easy it's clear to me that what was intended and that's in the meets and balance description reference that eventually if you don't need a slope easement he could have that back right and but I do agree that there
is a bit of a Mis drafting if you will and a different part of that eement right but you know the law is you read every document in what they call ter Mater which means you look at all four corners of every page when you can screw the whole thing as to you know what you're trying to achieve
and obviously what's there uh it's it's very clear is only deal with the sloping part and that's my be ultimately be my position but I don't even want to say we're willing to give that up until Wayne takes a quick look and make sure that's okay
okay all right and again Kevin There's an actual map of that that shows a specifically delineate slope part and it's very clear that's what that's referencing in fact the meets and bound description references the map specific you would never give away no an easement
and drainage when you're putting the drainage in you need to maintain it yeah so you're going to follow up main yeah we'll take a look this week get respond get back to Mr V all right sounds good Wayne what do
you have for us this month sure um so just uh first I think we mentioned it last month but we have the $89,000 Grant from dot for uh guide rail um basically I want to do this project that no impact to the town so what we'd like to do is
just design this thing to be at the Grand amount including our uh our fees um so so we can lump it all in and basically make it a no impact project so um you know we'd just be looking to get authorized to to submit that we would look to do it through the co-op so that
we don't even have to do bid and we can know in advance that we're going to meet the pricing we're looking for um and we're just going to scale the project down to meet the funding so again you know it should be a no impact project uh to the budget okay um there was another Co-op Co-op I
saw an email that said we should join for some reason yeah that's that's later on here um so and that kind of relates to the uh one of the later items the DPW roof um before Scott left he asked us to put together like a bid package to repair or replace the roof on the on the DPW due to the leaks um but when you
start to look at what it's going to cost to bid it to you know to put specs together all those different things um we were I was told by some Architects to go enter this other Co-op because they have a roofing contractor who can do this without the bidding and so it's
going to cost you 10% of the project just to do the specs if you can get somebody to do it through Co-op it's it's a more efficient use of your money plus after talking to Jeff it seems like this Co-op has pricing for a lot of other things that we he may want to use
use in the future right and so this also gives you the also ability like between this and the Morris County one they have some competing items you can at least also say like oh we can get which Co-op is we can get cheaper Stone here why why not do it um so I just think it gives
you options there's no harm whatsoever so if you just do the resolution on that at least it gives us the flexibility to get that pricing and you know if we can save your money on the roof doing it that way I mean that that would be our problem okay um if anybody seen it the persing
Avenue drainage uh project with the dot Grant is under construction was hoping it would be done by now but uh the weather hasn't been cooperating so um they say they're coming back this week um so I'd hope that that'll be done within two weeks
um Ohio Avenue we're following up on uh with the contractor who was awarded both of those projects um to try and get a date pinned down they say spring I'm trying to get a little more specific than that um we as we mentioned I think last time the local Freight Grant uh
that we were going to apply for um the study did the it met the requirements um so that's going to be submitted this year um presumably be looking to get that funding in 2026 and again those are usually very large Awards um so the fact that we hit like a 30%
truck rate uh when only 10% of the required should mean that you know we would qualify for a pretty substantial uh Grant with that one um park and recreation grants uh anticipating a June July award for the next round I think we already have three
active ones there that we need to be looking to close out I know Scott was working on a few of those so you know we just want to make sure that we're some of those have been executed on already but we need to we need to submit them for re reimbursement um and we'll you know Assist in any way we can with
that um Lin uh you did touch on that uh three of the four tcos have been issued uh I went by before stopping here there's still not done with the fourk but we do keep checking on it to see when they'll get those last pieces in so we can uh get that one on the books but uh you
know even after they do that which I would anticipate here in the next month um you know the goal will probably be to have them do uh their punch list and final Paving in the uh the spring here um people Liv in those yeah yeah I
think I think two made maybe the third building but Mo the front two I see a lot of cars here yep um at one of the prior meetings we we were authorized uh to work on the green witch Shamy shines request for
sewer uh uh connection um which uh was being paid for through their escrow um we did uh complete that analysis we can our lines can handle what they're asking for um so you know when you do the the
math on it though the connection fees for the volume they're trying to put through the lines comes out to 124,000 and uh the downstream improvements that we need to solve our inii issues um based on the percentage of flow they'd be putting in of the
overall they'd be looking at another $779,000 in contribution to that so you know know I I provided them you know that analysis um and you know they're they're sitting on a keep about $200,000 if they want to do it it could be advantageous to them if the other
options they have available to them don't work um again or you know they can come back to you with some other offer if they wanted to um but that's where the the numbers that's still hell a lot cheaper than what it was going to cost them to go to green witch I mean they still to build it so there's a big cost
there but you know I mean you know connection fees are going to be hit to them anywhere um so are they using Greenwich allocation for that wi they well that's what I said to them I said even if we can agree to take your capacity from a connection point we need to create an all you're going to have to get your allocation from Greenwich and
we're going to have to have a you know Municipal agreement between the two of us that that's not hitting us because we we cannot take back yeah I was going to say we're pretty tight y okay yeah if it comes to that we would need to do like we did in the pack on little interal agreement and frankly at this time
around I want to make sure we right on the ground get keir's mua involved so there's no surprises there because and I didn't elaborate on my report but Wayne and I have been kind of trying to lock in the fact that the that the plant is giving us credit for that 20,000 Wayne's
getting a little nervous about it I still have confidence at the end of the day but the bottom line is you know and again in P's defense they are looking at everything and trying to match this all up I think we'll be okay at the end but again we are pretty tight we can't be given away any Gall yep I mean that is
one of the later issues and you know I was asking them again to follow up and say you know when are you guys going to come to terms with the number here because you threw some things at us I said I don't agree and here's why and then they went silent on us so basically their response was um they're working up
their new agreement with the town because I guess it's it's time for them to give us a renewal and at that time they're going to present to us what they say are our available capacity is I feel like it's going to kind of be a onew punch um you know they're going to look to hit you with a an increase at the
same time tell you you don't have any capacity um but they basically stop sharing what where the numbers are so we don't know know said we were locked in for a 30y year agreement that with the that's got a little Wass to go I
thought but L I wouldn't be necessarily opposed to modernizing if we get as long as our allocation as allocation fair and we got no response was 540 as I recall in that agreement and then what we're what Wayne and I are
basically saying is hey we're basically to credit for another 20 because of our intermunicipal agreement we go pack on for the for f for long um and that's inwriting it's s by everybody nobody said it nobody's contesting it that that
it's not a real document but nevertheless it has to be somehow moved to our side of The Ledger subtracted from op patons and we really do need that point down and not to mention you know the mall was already counting there so like they're trying to count the new
project against our allocation but it's like it's less than what was going out of the mall so we should not be taking any more allocation off our list because Mall's already been counted get so why are they cutting us again it's you know that's that's what they're yeah it's
double diing thing and I and you know I think that's the biggest one to resolve um River Road um the railroad is going to be working on their um Safety project supposedly here in April is when they
say they're going to start as soon as the weather improves so um you know I know we get enough complaints and and lawsuits and accidents over there so hopefully they actually can execute now they have the funding available and uh you know some improvements get made over there uh further down on River Road
where their drainage um basically broke and damaged uh the road in addition to their drainage system um our understanding is that they're also going to be doing that as soon as the weather improves they're going to put a a new catch Bas in uh in on the edge of the
road and then it'll be our responsibility to put a new pipe under the road to the outlet um seemed like a pretty fair um settlement we came to them where we're you know each chipping in to solve this problem um k once again very very very
helpful that so he's he's always been a good corporate Citizen and then last two uh just to give some updates from the land use board that haven't hit the board yet um shimer School submitted their updated um plans uh for completeness um and it's
still incomplete they have a lot of work still to do and they're running out of time to do it is it still the same number of units yep 48 units the plan hasn't changed at all just so you guys know again instructed me to do so I I at least twice now um indicated to
them that you know we don't really need the units at this point um we're going to have a surplus going forward in the next round by the time we get done with all this planning and I twice at least contacted their attorney and said hey look we would be amable to eliminating
any affordable units there and just shrinking it a little bit you know so it would help with parking issues and all those types of things just want to let you guys know it's that's been put out there Wayne if you talk to their engineer I would say to re reiterate that say Hey you know I was just had a
council meeting the attorney reiterated that he's reached out to your attorney and said hey this could be adjusted to eliminate the size a little bit and but you can make them all Market units um so I would like to try to somehow get their
attention on that especially since they can't seem to comply with our ordance requirements yeah I think I mean they still haven't applied for a Highland consistency deter we literally cannot wave that it's not our we don't have the ability to do it and mons no we can't be an application
complete under our ordinance because we're a complying municipality we cannot deem them complete without it and you know we told them that six months ago at this point still haven't done it um they have no soil testing and they've got about a month and a half to get that done otherwise they're stuck for an
entire year um you know it's it's not not moving very quickly um and then the other one is uh eii uh Hampton Bridge just real from my own curiosity you said they have about another month and then they're stuck for another year can you just some light on that you have to
um you have to do your storm water testing in the wet season okay so they did they did testing they turned it in this time but it's testing from two years ago in locations that have nothing to do with their storm water system okay so they haven't done anything and if they don't get it done by April they're
out a luot again okay um and then again the last item EA Hampton Ridge uh they submitted their updated plans to they were approved already for the 200 and something units um single family and Tow houses um Bob
guer who is involved in that is no longer with the company they have somebody new in charge he wants to try to put uh 43 more units into the project um they we deem them incomplete um they have modified their
need a they need a high own's consistency though too I have well they have one they they have to update it right but they do have one um but they're you know they're they're big yeah they they have to do that but um
they basically shrunk other aspects of their project to get the storm water compliant so that you could deem complete and on that one it's really just a question of whether you want to just pull the Band-Aid on the application or not because they're going to approve it but the other problem is that we told them is you don't and this
also goes for shimer neither of them have applied for sewer capacity for these changes we don't know what we have at the moment but I know that we don't really have enough to do both of these um and you know we have competing priorities and the first one has to be
our affordable housing so you know we have a lot of people asking and can I go back to your comment just a moment ago mentioned that they made some storm order changes to be compliant I remember a few meetings ago you know last year you were saying that these changes were
going to precipitate compliance with the updated storm are you are they getting around that yeah I mean do you feel they can get around that no I mean they've done it I unfortunately the way they did it was they they shrank every single building every single single family home
that cumulatively reduces the project so now it's compliant it's kind of a shame because now you're getting smaller homes um but it it you know the change does fix their problem so you know that's how they chose to get
themselves under the cap um I think it's going to be it's going to be interesting that people buy them but but they're not proposing any additional forb no so they're not any longer 20% set aside which is means you're basically not an affordable housing
again look at L by way they they 20% of those units over there are 40 that's the general rule of thumb a 20% set aside so 1 to5 ratio so so if they would want to bring in 40 more units they'd have to make eight of them yeah we yeah we
should be getting more units of technically speaking I guess it depends what the legal agreements were in the settlement and well the settlement doesn't count any of those extra 43 units it was only for a specific number and that's been approved yep so the settlement has nothing to do with this
yep but the I mean the project itself it looks like I mean I think was compliant you know from the zoning perspective of when it was rezoned for it so you know the I guess the only other question I have Wayne and I I'm not turning to ex eating but at one point at their request
if you guys recall we we had that and and and DCA proved that it's been designated as a Redevelopment area and it doesn't necessarily mean we'd be doing a pilot because you guys weren't in favor of any more of those at the time but I me just are they coming under
the ordinance or they coming they're not coming under Redevelopment compy concept they're just coming in under under the ordinance yeah and they have a conforming plan yep so you're telling me they can put these 43 more units in and there's nothing we can do I mean I think you can
still you know I mean is it 100% design waiver free we don't know because we haven't done the technical you know review because it's inet right hasn't so even though we we can we can deem them complete at the next hearing that we choose to have whether it's next week or
in 30 days um but you know I think they they need to answer that question and they need to answer where they think they're getting their sewer capacity um and you're saying the highlands is going to be okay with it the I mean it's not disturbing any more area everything they're changing is internal to the site
so there's no new areas being disturbed I don't see that anything about it is going to have the highlands deem it incompatible based on what they've already approved it's it's really just you know how much more capacity is 43 it's like 10,000 more gallons I me we're
like right at the margins you if you factor that with plus shimer um this another 10,000 gallons they're you know they're each going to push us pretty much to the max that that's right there it's the 20,000 we going to call P Y and
we have months where we're over our 540 right now don't we win uh yeah and that's why we need to you know that's why these other projects we're we're basically thinking that there's $8 $900,000 of work to do to solve our inii issues to stop these massive swings in
the in the we if we're already having months that we're over 540 we we have already given approvals to 100% project and that's not even online where where's that coming where how much capacity we don't all we don't all tie into the same points that that's
going to push us over per se so like it you know it depends where they're making do they have an allocation um they do they do yeah so we're counting that towards our yep well even though we're counting it towards our contractual 540 as a practical matter what's going through the pipes right now some months
is over now yes I mean so we have kind of a serious sewer issue I gather when I it's like you look at what we've allocated it does not add up to 540 but because of when you throw the I ey on top of that we're actually
over over every month they said when I sat in on on P Berg sewer meeting that was the comment and they didn't know I was listening I did I didn't comment they repeatedly said that we're the worst offender for our gallonage every
month some of that I don't 100% agree with because even Jeff knows you know they they hear and they see problems and they attribute it to us when it was you know like that when that one manhole failed it it wasn't even in our C so they were blaming us but it wasn't even
our wasn't even our manle um you know and and we have Alpha interconnects with us too so you know we have agreements with them but who you know who's the flow coming for you know it's it it's the overages are somewhat shared but we know you know we did that study last
year where you know we analyzed the system and the lines and said you know here's a SE a section that is clearly the problem and do do we have any idea if we did inii remediation or Reign the place or we did that years ago if you remember did about a million dollars
worth of reigning with the Department of Agriculture um some years ago but um do we have any sense Wayne of of what we would recapture if we if we did our eight or $900,000 worth of L do we do we think I can get you the number on that
yeah I could look back at the there was actually a some somebody did a calculation well we just know from the areas that when they did the study and we saw those giant you know swings there's only two areas that actually are contributing the top of your head we talking we going pull claw back 30 40 50,000 like how much I don't think
you're going to get you're not going to get more allocation cuz your allocation is set with the plant are going drop how much are we going to drop in flow could drop 100,000 gallons that much yeah I mean the swings are massive if you look at you know normal months versus summer months I mean it it almost doubles
sometimes I mean guys I I think we're getting close and again it kind of ties into the fact that we have two pending applications you know I mean arguably and we we have a 100 unit approximately 100% plan already approved that has an
allocated um that certainly in certain months is going to really push us over once that starts feeding in you know I'm almost getting to the point where I think we need to probably consider um a scarce resource order internally in this Township and nobody gets anything nobody
and and don't forget because you're always going to have the miscellaneous residential that wants to tie in and that's 600 here Galls and you know some a little bit here a little bit there and I don't think honestly we can afford to get 10,000 gallons with now to anybody
until we have the little paccon situation St straightened out and until we have the resources which again if you guys recall and I think it'll be part of our new plan you know our my goal and Jim Kyle and I believe it's appropriate
again because we going to need to do the inii for the 100% plan but I'm hoping that has these Warehouse projects come online and we get these significant development fees we can utilize those those you know we're talking to three4 Million worth of fees and we can can use
that to do this reigning project um and when that's done then then it sounds like we're probably going to drop significantly in flows and now that 540 we have by contract okay we're good for the rest of whatever we you do here right yeah until then
[Music] um I don't know I I don't even have copies of those applications and Steve go do representing the AI correct yes yeah who and I okay do know who the T Foley is doing Cher but you know I mean it's just the incremental like when you
look at what our number is and that's going through the area that has the inii issues an extra 10,000 gallons here and there it's it's really kind of a drop in the bucket to the overall flow in the problem um but no but the problem is is the plant's going to say you can't put
any more in this system it doesn't matter where it's going into our Lin the bottom line is our total flow yeah we're going to get told by EA because of the order 54 day right that we're over we're over y we're over you're done yep so we
need to I mean basically yeah we need to look at undertaking that project and you know I think I agree with you if the three you know these three Alpha warehouses of the other two put up you know their agreement like the first one did and then you get you know shammy shine's interested you you almost cover
the project just just off of that you know um take what's that how long would a project like that to I mean reining doesn't take terribly long I mean you could do it within a year yeah we did a lot of line Ling back
in the day Qui I mean you got to go through there with a camera you got to cut out roots you know there a little bit of work like that Kevin but it's it's not like the massive project you think cuz you're going inside stay yeah you're going to I mean we're going to open we're going to reeal manholes I
mean you know there's a lot of different things that you're going to do but I mean clearly we have one problem down there by the river and it's like every time the groundw Rises up it's just still in that pipe and it's it's gone I'm I'm wondering just to be fair and upfront with these two
impending developments if uh the mayoring council thinks I should potentially do a short direct letter to to each attorney and just say hey guys look um you guys do what you want with the appending application but don't have
a sewer allocation application into us and when it comes just heads up it's likely going to be not because at this point in time we have an ey ey problem we have daily flows that exceed our contraction
capacity with the plant and until we've got this figured out we can't afford to give out any significant amounts of sewer I think we should probably kind of which two projects was this forast thei and shimer because those are the two that have been
double digit down the only large really only two large ones left yeah um just putting them on Noti we don't we don't even have only that's another one that's going to come in the only thing that probably eii has where
we're like well eii is going in totally separate from all these problems like they're because they're J they're right there in Philipsburg and they're tying in Philipsburg so yeah but it's our capacity true but in terms of like none of that is is they're not going to pay any sort of like Prat a share
improvements because they don't go into the area of problems and they literally will only increase it by incrementally because it's going to be going directly into the system against our allocation not against our our really our our numbers where we're having problems same thing with um you know the Lin project
they're not hitting the same system you know but Shiner which really kind of highlights how bad are I and I must be because you have projects AR even hit aren't even tying into that number and we're still having you're saying days and weeks
where we're like wait yep like probably like April and the spring were probably like catastrophically yes yeah I mean it's it's I mean the numbers literally double two months a year like like a million gallons a day uh no not to the capacity I you mean from the day to day like a lot of months were in the two
threes look like our Peak flows normals are threes I think we've I've seen some in the Sev I mean yeah but we're we're still compliant because it's based on a rolling so it's not like we're not actually you know in a problem but if you know if you
keep getting like if you end up in a year where it's just raining Raining Raining and you know you don't have dry months you will start to get pushed over you know we that just hasn't been PL but again we've been to meetings and they're kind of saying where they are in their
eyes there's enough there's enough times that are over where they're say anybody who applies has to apply to us and they have to apply to the MUA the MUA grants that permit every single time they're the ones who are complaining but they're the ones granting the permits before we do well will be tww on both the me
shimer already got connection they'll get a they need a tww because they're over 8,000 gallons a day e e AI had a tww before they would need a new one because they're increasing the flow well I mean the other way to do it supposed would be if you recall when we
did the resolution um we did resolution recently authorizing the signature you on another pwa we very careful indicate that we making no representations about downst capacity yeah I don't know maybe we can do that I
don't know I'm just a little uncomfortable making allocations when we know there's there's weeks where we're putting 700,000 gallons fluently we only have a contract for 540 that's a little all right sorry sorry so I guess
back to your question do we send notice out just to say hey this is the situation you know because if I'm a developer I wouldn't want to go ahead and put all that money into something and yeah the funny thing is they already did and it's not like we didn't tell
them the first time we told them they hadn't apply for allegation you know and that goes back to 6 months so you know they they were told they didn't do it and they had all the plans already prepared so at this point whether we you know even if they get approved and something opens up great you know not
for them do you think they're going to buy allocation from somebody else I don't know because even if they could how how could they because they'd still be coming through our lines they would need our approval so we don't have the ability to connect them doesn't really matter where they get their allocation from they can't connect to our
on I think well no they got the allocation you say alha like who has a bunch of that yeah they got tons now you take our 540 and let's say they bought 100,000 PBS but but my recollection on the
original layout of the AI project I thought they had a pwa for that part didn't they wi or they never did they had a pwa that's what I thought yep just for lower volume they have to go back they will they need a brand new P pwa for the whole amount now with the the original plus the increase yes DP is
going to review the entire application again because it's a significantly higher it's 20% higher you 200 units now they're two you know 2 240 now they're like 280 or whatever it is so you're heading
20% okay all right I think I think you probably send I think we should send say he guys and we you know just so you know whenever you make that sewer
allocation application um it could be a problem I I think we ought to do that I'll make I'll make it as a motion if somebody wants the second I'll second that we put them both on notice not saying we don't have it just put them on
notice that it could be a problem yeah and I did tell them too because they asked for a meeting with us mon you guys are get a copy of that letter I just think it's prudent for us and it's fair to them I mean they're big
boys but you know it is what it is you had a motion in a second W you want to call roll what are my motioning motion to direct the attorney to send uh letters to the eii applic applicant and the shimer school
applicant with respect to the potential scarcity of sewer should they make sure allocation up for conversations with okay and who is the second I was
Nelson okay Nelson okay Gray yes LTI yes Melvin slack yes sorry Ste there thunder there Wayne but quite all right anything else no that's all I have got to be worn
out all right uh we'll move on to Town Council reports uh we'll start with you Nelson what do you have from the DPW uh January 21st through February 18 repaired the front edge of for mik on on uh Court thesis repaired men's Ural
flush valve and Court bathroom replace ignition coil ignition coil and snowblower chipped up Christmas trees that were dropped off loaded up mulch from uh brush grinding at the DPW Yard and dumped in piles at Newfield behind
the school for wreck check the park check Park garbage weekly salted and plowed Township roadways Municipal complex sidewalks and parking lots multiple times power washed all trucks and equipment used in snow and ice storms repaired
cross links on dump truck tire chains replaced cutting edges on dump truck plows 10 14 and 20 repace replaced brick caliber caler bolts on Mason dump that uh one one broke off uh replace water
pump gaskets and thermostat in 444 H loaders loader and several trees down on various roadways uh that were uh cut up and chipped trimmed back and Chi trees in all the alleys in Huntington and
Parkside area uh that uh DPW could not get an emergency vehicle through uh trim and chipped trees on section of Delaware Heights Road serviced police vehicle 75-1 16 uh tree contractor finished up
second phase of tree work on pinest point project met with from court about moving furniture around in court offices after she schedules document shredding company to come in and Shred what is needed assisted Township police with
elderly women resident wom resident uh pulling storm gra off of catch Basin and ALDI parking lot to get her car keys that fell in the Basin while she was trying to unload her groceries in the back of her car outside contractor started working on the lower end of
persing ab drainage project Jeff and his assistant supervisor Bill watched the video of the storm waterer management maintenance training and Jeff made a hard copy for the rest of the DPW to read and can be hung up in the DPW garage how we doing on
salt on even more than what we really expected it's crazy stuck for an inch inch and a half compared to having a foot on the
ground probably take more salt when you get less T Supply is not been an issue though uh I ordered another 125 Sun
that Friday and I still haven't seen it sounds like we're going to be good for a little while but hopefully they get here th no down
south don't say that I get tickets for something up to WSB Thursday night all right Nelson anything else uh that is all all right Ang slow mon nothing thank you report
good K I'm going to make up for Council woman um yeah first uh first and for for most um I know this is uh our first uh month with the the change and we had our police chief uh Scott Rob uh his walk
out was at the end of uh February unfortunately I was not able to attend but just wanted to publicly acknowledge Scott's job as a a police chief here at pakon and he think he did a great job while he was serving in that capacity and just to thank him for his years of
service um second uh land new sport we had a meeting on January 27th we did the reorg Ed Miranda is still the uh chair Dave Williams Vice chair there was one uh project that was up for a minor site
plan with d variant uh the corner of St James in South Maine across from the the cleaners and in shimer Manor the turret building yeah Victor Light so that 1527 1527 a is the the building behind it um
and so uh that did get approval um it's going to be another zombas family project and um uh the UN I could not participate as a member of Council in the vote but I got to sit in and see the drawings and everything and it was uh
looks like it's going to be another um nice project so if you haven't noticed uh to come down St James's uh tbec house has been moving along um quite nicely the front porch is on and uh he's he's putting up some some
Stone and stuff like that so it's good to see um one of our own doing some really nice work in the township and actually that's going to be it for me tonight here all right wow you set us up for you were good let
cut it short I only had one issue I need to resolve with uh acting chief barsony there I got a complaint uh Pennsylvania Avenue I'll have to go back through my emails I don't have the gentleman's name but it was a complaint that once we put
the additional stop stop signs in up there now for some reason Pennsylvania Avenue is being used as a throughway to get around the traffic light at um Quick Check and I don't know if we can put
additional stop signs on that to slow them down but I need to talk to uh Ryan about that and see what we can do there is that anything you can speak to at all Nelson do you know much about Pennsylvania Avenue up there or not well
I I do um I guess this person is concerned about speed yeah speeding and I guess his bigger concern was it's all through traffic and I don't know if there's anything we really can do about through traffic the speeding we could
address describe this off of uh the quick check light yeah he says that people are using the Pennsylvania Avenue to scoot around the quick check light I'm assuming people that are coming down 122 that want to go up St James Avenue
potentially I guess uh but he just said that it was using used it as a through through through throughway speeding he didn't say anything about running stop signs I guess is there any stop signs on Pennsylvania or not I can't say for sure
if there is um I suspect they probably but um I'm not sure how large of an issue that would really be seems like more effort I'm not aware of anyone that makes that maneuver to wor worse comes the worst we can have our officers see
if there's speeding issue or whatever and go from there but that was the one complaint I did feel uh that was notable I mean I get other complaints that aren't worth discussing but like I said that
one was a notable uh complaint that light's been there a while yeah no I know but I'm just saying that people are finding ways to get around get around whatever happened I know there was some discussion at one point about
putting a a light at was it Edge or industrial industrial I think is eventually going to have to have one and I think that was in their wasn't that in their Grant too uh no the first grant they had was to widen it but I my
understanding is that the other products in there were paying their Prat shares of a light that industri and if you do that I don't think you're going to do one of day no you won't because you don't want the traffic coming out there's not that much
traffic there you know from that between the two that's not where the majority is going coming from so and I think if they put the light in an industrial it would definitely deter people from trying use edge with trucks to get out because you can't
traffic's so bad you sit there as it is now yep so that that would make sense if they were to go that route but do you know when that's time frame I'm assuming the other projects are going to have to be online thing is even if the projects do it my understanding is they were
paying the money to the town to put away for it but it's really the town's control about that another one was like the sidewalks that we did with what qu we could take the money and say hey we're not going to put it in yeah but I also know that they're doing um I think our our firm is actually doing it not
that I have anything to do with it but they're doing a 122 overall study um to talk about improvements that can be made make suggestions to the do um not that we control what they do but it was it was about figuring out
where further improvements could be made just for the person that raised this issue with you where are they cutting in March where are they cutting into PA the only question you could and I just don't see how that would be a pass through cuz Pennsylvania still end I mean somebody's going to go through there and then have to make a right onto another Street to
get back over it that can't possibly be faster yeah that's you put that light in IND any going up Pennsylvania hting s and making righty making a left and it doesn't work
y try going up there oh you're the guy it doesn't work listen we drive even when we put them stop signs down by the firehouse we thought everybody that came from tberg down Green Street would make the right
go around by Mr te's old place there and then they still come down make the left cuz it's a creature habit I make the right stop stop again you know what I mean go in front of the fire out the Maple and stop again it's
crazy well either way we can at least look into the issue see if there is one if not we can at least say we looked into it all right that's about all I have uh I attended Scott's walk out here it was
very very well attended ingred was here we went to his his thing over at the Harker then and it was it was a nice night he was very very well respected amongst his peers that's for sure
all right we have some resolutions it looks like there's four uh and the last one is the one that Wayne talked about um for the co-op so if we could take all four together move it forward moment I'll second gr okay Gray yes
Lizetti yes Melvin yep slack yes ordinances for first reading we have none we do have an ordinance for second reading 25 501 c bank that's pretty much standard
stuff if uh somebody wants to open that up to public hearing I'll move it I'll second okay all in favor I anybody have any comments on 251 speak
now I move to close it and adopt public y I'll second okay great yes lietti yes Melvin y slack yes we have a file of motions on here everybody just want to
take a moment and go through see if anybody has any questions any concerns on the first two or three where you see all that stuff at the Highland Council and grants just so you know that that's part of our you know fourth round compliance and the
last of those one to the third motion down um we are going to end up getting 25,000 from the highlands Council which should completely cover uh Jim Kyle's uh budget proposal other thing I want to I didn't cover my report but just so you
guys know I did get filed for the township or order to show calls with the uh State um you know that was a late breaking rule he had to file a complaint to uh to participate in this round and um that that's been accomplished so
we're on schedule to uh end this month actually um is the deadline for anybody to object to our number but we accepted the number as it was calculated so we're good standing
there adding ation to this list aren't we motion we already did that we did that the United St Services is that a new provider or a new need uh they're the company we used last year they were
Russell Reed I think were what Russell Reed I think before for Russell Reed Russell here down here only 31 we had no issues with them last year right no and they're like almost less than half of what the other people
are one is the one motion there for you to advertise for a temporary part-time is that right Municipal Court assistant or should that say uh mun clerk assistant Court okay it
is the court yeah um from what I understand our court staff is backed up and judge melinger and the court administrator had requested that we hire a temporary person part-time to uh try to get them caught up and uh also
to uh Chris will be out on um some having some surgery and she'll be retiring at the end of June so they want to advertise for a deputy Court Administrator to be her replacement and to start that process to get somebody in
and trained and ready to go I'm going to look at you do we have the money yes we okay she's leaving so all right so I'm good with all the Motions anybody else have any questions
I'll move them all forward may all right I'll second it okay great yes Melvin yes I saw sorry Mr Lizetti yes and slack uh yes okay all right we have
some appointments with approval by Council we move Mr Fenimore on the land use board to a regular member uh we appointed uh Christian ulie uh to a regular member no he's an alternate I apologize that's an
alternate okay so we'll put that down as alternate we still have one alternate position open uh for that land use board if anybody knows anybody that's interested would be willing to serve uh tell them to get a hold of me and then
we have Garrett Hoffman uh is going to be a regular member on our environmental commission Garrett is the gentleman that lives on 519 that comes to our meetings with the concerns about the curve he came to our last environmental meeting
and I said about recruiting him and he said he would serve we did have another young lady there that attended she's going to let me know I guess your parents bought U the gentleman's house down there by Le Nichols the one that was here before was
the water con he moved out of town Rich Mason he had two properties down there do you do you need uh I need I need I I need you guys approval for yeah you need I'll moving forward Melvin I'll second
gray okay Gray LED yes Melvin black yes all right any public comments anybody have any come forward seeing none motion to Second
Melvin sounds good all in favor [Music] I've been kind of struggling with a little bit of cold have congest too right here