county Buffalo Hack on regular monthly meeting Tuesday April 15th 2025 has been given where are we doing it anymore Wanda at uh where legal at the Star Ledger the express time okay it's still there if we could all stand for a
moment of silence please a flag salute i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for [Music]
all everybody get a chance to look through the bills list does anybody I want to compliment we got them early and I could go through it it was wonderful you said that they won't come i make the motion we approve i need a minute hold on here kevin's got
it come on now i thought Did you say something i said I didn't have the minute oh I thought All right i have to go back and take a look you want me to come back to that kevin may you don't mind i apologize two weeks early oh two
weeks ago we'll we'll table them for now uh public comments we have one young lady here that would like to make a comment you want to come forward sign in you are sign to the right over there should be a sign in sheet
that way you don't have to stay for the whole meeting if you do not care to i appreciate that okay um so u I'm Gail Smith i live at 80 River Road um I'm here to talk about two
things first is our uh power um we had uh 29 power outages last year some of them for days at a time uh we're on either 14 or 15 this year we just have one this evening and I've been
complaining to uh BPU ACL for years and years and years and it's just it's just gotten to the point it's out of control so but I've heard they told me that they're working on a project to
uh loop the line and and and get us better power from what I understand well let me finish okay so what I'm here to ask you guys is they told me when they told me about this project that one of those things that could hold up the
project is um getting the permits and whatever they need from the town now I don't know what the the permits they need other than maybe a road opening permit whatever but what I'm asking you guys is we got to
streamline these permits and get this thing done because I can't live like this anymore playing for overhead lines they don't they don't need a permit the only they had to go underground some of these lines are going to be underground
the only reason they would permit would be to take the road up they told me that they needed were going to need permits so we can if they don't need permits that's great but if they do need permits
I am requesting begging that they be streamlined and put through so we can get this problem fixed i mean this is out of control i had heard yesterday that they're supposed to bring the power instead of coming down off the mountain
I guess is the way it comes now they talked about bringing it from Pennsylvania somehow over and that way it would be more reliable than the source from where it's coming now i will follow up tomorrow with my liaison back to JCP now she's really good well she's
not really good she doesn't call me back is this Is this Amy Overman yes yeah she's she's pretty she's only to us she can't she doesn't take calls from No she called she she called me one time but she doesn't call me back well but so
whatever i know you guys have better response to people like that then I'm just asking you guys to tell whoever reviews these permits cuz some of it's going to be underground and that's what
they told me that any permits are are streamlined as as quickly as they can go through that's what I'm asking pca they wouldn't get involved either right i don't think so well I'm not like why are we arguing about it if they're No no i'm just trying to see see where the permits
we don't issue any the state doesn't issue any i don't want to argue about it i'm I'm asking you we'll do whatever we can to streamline the process thank you okay the second thing I'm here for is the litter on the road now one of my uh
retirement projects is cleaning up the litter and it's ridiculous every single day at least there's a couple new uh litter and including at least more uh uh
beer bottles there's airplane bottles that means people are drinking and driving constantly constantly like if if you don't care about the litter whatever but I thought people aren't supposed to drink and drive they're drinking and
driving and they're throwing the things out the window and then I come along and pick them up and then it's not only a living room a containers and another whatever fast food whatever now it seems to be a toilet too so a couple of
whatever months ago I'm like "Oh there's a uh Dunkin' Donuts uh a cup we'll go pick that up." Well there was human feces in it well so how did I know it was human feces cuz there was soiled underwear right next to it i mean this
is just like it's everything it's tires mattresses fast food containers liquor bottles it's disgusting do do you feel as though the litter's being done as the cars go through or do you feel like there's people using it to dump stuff or
is it people that's parked there for you know longer periods of time you think that are doing it it's all all of those things but mostly just like now that it's a little cleaner because I've been doing this for several years now at
least in my stretch which is basically the first mile of River Road from Wriglesville it It's cleaner so I think people like maybe dump their stuff somewhere else but so I think at this point it's mostly now the new toilet
problem and people throwing their fast food and and and uh and and beer bottles and fireball bottles out the window ryan the only thing you could do you'd have to catch them in the act if they were throwing it out the window unfortunately
yeah cameras are not You're not litter when's the last time you gave a litter and they're drinking and driving if if it's a if it's a drinking and driving issue and the police get involved if somebody were to call which
people have or if we happen to be in the area at the time it'll be addressed accordingly i can tell you that much i I sympathize with you i get it i live in a development and I have beer bottles and garbage in my neighborhood
what are we doing we got to do something about Do we have Do we have any signs up Ryan in that are these people that There are signs and with the fines and stuff longer yeah we had a problem with some of the people that were camping out there well that that was the issue with
the overnight fishers and the fisher people fishing and camping out and that was when the whole uh permit and the permit and we put the signage up signage up but you know we had to issue permits for overnight parking if you had about it was all part of that big for it
lasted for a couple years and it seemed to deter or curb most of it well maybe maybe in that one section where they dumped their stuff after they partied all weekend but I'm telling you there's garbage all along the road
telling the folks that we're not doing it yeah it's just they they're not even issuing permits for that anymore nobody comes and asks you can't even go down there because nobody even comes and asks for it anymore so we haven't made the bar so high that people just stopped coming said you're not allowed to cross
over the tracks too we were allowed to enforce that correct right we did that i will look into some additional signage and getting back to the power issue i'll call like I said Amy Overman tomorrow and see what she's got to say but I had heard through other sources that they
were talking about r-rooting the feed for where you guys are from because it's been such a problem and I get constant calls from you and the the fella there on the corner Pinch Point River Road Power it it's just I'm asking you if
there's permits to stream i can tell you right now there is nothing they need from us am I right Wayne unless they dig up the road unless they told me they were going to dig up the road so arguing we're not arguing we're ma'am we're trying to all talk to you and resolve this issue all
I'm saying is if a road permit comes in which it has not I will process it in a day that's what we're asking for um uh Chief um we used to have inmates come from has we done that in the past that was the that was
the community labor assistant program um with bail reform and criminal reform unfortunately they don't really have they don't have that many people in the program i found needles too needles
like it's it's disgusting so you know being told like oh there's nothing we can do about it is kind of frustrating i can I can I can reach out very frustrating and I understand and believe
me I be honest with you i you listen it's been an issue for years it comes and goes i know but no it doesn't come it doesn't go it comes in waves so I can reach out to the I can reach out to the to the county jail
um to see if they have any any people that are registered on the CLA programs i can ask I can't guarantee you anything but I can ask i want them to clean it up i want the people that are dunking this stuff
to stop it's not supposed to happen do these people do that in their own yard i mean it's not right i don't know who they are it's not right so whatever i I mean thank you for listening to my sir thank you the mayor and I were just
chatting you know obviously we can't do c any camera stuff for any uh moving violation but for a municipal ordinance violation like litter theoretically we could so I'll leave it to you and the mayor to discuss that because Sure even
just a couple cameras and a sign saying you're under video might might help a lot but the deterrence yeah and that we can do for municipal we can't do it for anything under a moving violation statute title 39's out title 39 but
litter is a municipal ordinance yes so man maybe and I I bicycle down there i I see what you're saying i some my girlfriend I come over the bridge from the in do that whole road and um sometimes it's really good and I thanks for picking up and um sometimes it only
takes like one one bad apple and they just can make that whole road look terrible in 5 minutes i can give you plenty of examples just in my career alone that I've actually issued numerous of them because that's one of my pet peeves is when I would see somebody throw something out their car window cigarette butt to a rapper for a
cigarette pack i've seen people cleaning out they pull over they clean their cars out oh I know and I' I've already issued citations and municipal ordinances for that cuz I I I'm with you i don't It's not enjoyable for the community it's not enjoyable for you chief maybe we can see
maybe there's even a little grant for a couple cameras for litter or something and you know what we could do with By the way um we have to take that out of Florida budget probably take that out of clean communities yeah so yeah we can definitely try something anyway we're looking for
something to spend that money on anyway right just a couple cameras with video might not might knock a lot of that down i like the video idea yeah we'll look into that for you yeah like throw the be your bottle against Well we appreciate you we can hide them
thanks guys thank you for coming all right we're going to shift things around here we have a young lady from Oh you want to go back to it now all right uh everybody has a chance to look at your bills kevin's reviewed anybody
have any amendments or questions i don't i make a motion to approve second all those in favor i All right actually you want to probably roll pull roll call a roll injured Wanda that's okay all right all right we're
going to shift things around here we have a young lady from uh Frenchmano going to give us a storm water management presentation for watershed improvement i believe this is something that has been started we had a grant to fund some of this yes this was done uh
through a Highlands grant that we received yeah and I had met with a young lady probably a year and a half or two years ago on this and then she sent two engineers out and they went around and looked at all the problem areas that I was concerned about okay if you said her
name I would remember but I'm not That was Laura laura yes you're right yeah so those are actually two different pots uh this is this is our compliance with the MSW permitting um and so we got the Highlands grant to do all that work that the state was putting on us um you know
for compliance with that what that grant was was uh was a separate one i think that was by the wershed association just so that we can make improvements i think they do marry up but this is more of a a permitting uh issue but okay there they
are related my my apologies yes so what I'm going to be talking about here is the watershed improvement plan uh this is a threephase this is phase one where I'm supposed to or somebody's supposed to host a annual a semianual meeting to
try and improve the health of our water quality god sorry about that that's all good i was watching that too uh so uh we're supposed to address any water quality and flooding issues that affect uh so
let's start i'm going to try not to be too boring here on my little uh PowerPoint presentation that I printed out for you guys it should be on your desk um so why am I here i'm here to because I'm the storm water coordinator i think Wayne's actually the storm water
coordinator um and uh we have Sorry I didn't catch your name oh sorry i'm Stephanie Williams stephanie Williams thanks apologize uh so and this is part of that MS4 permitting system like I I said now just to be clear I am not an environmental scientist i am not an LSRP
so there are a lot of questions on here that I cannot answer for you guys but we do have resources that can help out with anything further than that so what are the goals here we're here for education just to let you
guys be aware of what is affecting a lot of people and what might be affecting it information i want to get your input as to you know what areas are you guys concerned with you know what kind of footage are you concerned with what do
you guys want to address what kind of flooding issues do you guys have and last but not least partnership this is a partnership we're gonna you guys tell us what to do and we're going to you know work on the issues that you guys want to
address um move on to the next one so one thing I want you guys as stakeholders to try to think of is what do you guys want do you guys want a goal do you want a mission or do you want a vision so things to think about is you
know what kind of education do we might want to you present to the public um and who's going to do this education do you guys have environmental committee that you guys can use as a resource do you want to try to use watershed ambassadors that are uh funded through the state and
through records different potential there uh what kind of reductions are you looking and aiming for do you want you know what kind of projects can you think of that we could possibly do um and where do we want to do these projects
which is a a resource question um you know and also where are your flooding issues let's address that as well um restoration what kind of restoration work do you need to do um you know like I said before an increased partnership with wershed
ambassadors increase public education cleanup those type of aspects that we want to try to investigate um and protection do we want to also perhaps have some sort of advocacy and
go into other towns which quite a way but other towns can come to this public meeting and talk about uh to us of you know hey we really guys think you should be addressing this pollutant because we're not the cause of it or that type
of issue um moving on you know let's take a look at our water water bodies map we have three C1 streams we have half creek we have the Mus I apologize i'm not from
this area so I must connect Musk Nect thank you i'm going to say that wrong this entire time just to give you a heads up just say Musky musky we'll do uh and we also have the you know Delaware River um that comes through here so we have a
lot of sequence streams that the London Creek as well yes the Lai Pon Creek as well thank you um so this is also a presentation to give to anybody who's not very aware of these types of streams
um you know the C1 streams they're supposed to be you know full of environmental resources and they're the highest protected streams um so these are the areas that you know NGP kind of
you know they really are stronghold on and they're trying to protect these streams so you know some of the areas that you know we might want to think about any projects or any cleanup activities or any education activities that we might want to incorporate into
this watershed improvement plan um so let's take a look at the C1 streams pathon Creek from River Road to Ravine Road Creek from the northern border to Paccom uh to the north border
of Alpha Burough uh and the Musky River along the southern border of Hong Kong Township so those are the areas that we're looking at um so what kind of are we looking at this is we're going to look at TMDLs tmdls stands for total
maximum daily load this is a standard that somebody said that this is the most amount of a pollutant you can have in a stream before it starts to become a health
hazard um and when a body of water exceed these calculations it's considered impaired which is another reason why a lot of uh in New Jersey all the towns are now TRA they're all in there or they have a
pollutant um so let's take a look at the TMDLs that are affecting uh perhaps we have feal form and we have mercury um if you look in the uh let's see that is page
yes pamphlet uh it's slide 12 so the green is mercury and the blue is feal porn um so you can kind of see you know what
really truly affects for half um to give you a heads up though mercury affects every water but this particular stream was investigated this watershed area was investigated
um and was shown to have a high uh mercury content uh so taking a look at feal caulifform um feal caulifform conser warm-blooded animals this be caused by uh septic system failure and animal
waste runoff um so part of the uh tier a the uh studies that they did there it goes more into this i don't want to bore you with all of this wording here um but they're
saying that you know there's a lot of domestic animals there's a lot of wildlife um that could potentially be a cause of the you know people call for it um you know Uh just check this out
um there's you know the higher density recreational area the housing near Philipsburg um they're saying that this area should be potentially investigated uh monitoring um you you know this is how they found out that what exactly it
is and like I said they're saying it's most they being NJP is saying it's mostly coming you know from animal byproduct and waste by uh human waste byproducts so potentially fail infective systems
um so taking a look at the next slide there's some lot of fun numbers on here which are you uh we are on looking at 11 i almost feel that that model is a
copout my speculation is you go to any rural town you're going to see the same exact bullet point there for every single one well I've done that already and I completely agree uh I'm also the engineer over in Hope and Harbick yeah uh and I do uh
Blair'stown and I also do Wilton so no argument for me on that one and you said that mercury is prevalent also mercury is prevalent worldwide uh I will say that worldwide
um the recommended fish intake is once a week for fish in New Jersey it's recommended once every two months so I mean just curious these three streams this area is is it this comparable to anything else to all the others or I just was curious if you were
saying that that this area these three streams are a little bit above they're the ones that are they're trying to protect np is trying to protect uh so each one of these areas is kind of a drainage area just viewed from a big screen instead of you know when you see
one of the uh site plans you see the little drainage areas this is just a massive drainage area and you know they're taking a look at each little segment of these drainage areas that affects the creeks gotcha um so taking a like I said but looking
at where is Pacong um just want to make sure that's slide here um it it says table six uh Laton Creek at Main Street in Philipsburg people
call form data um the main thing as I highlighted this kind of tell you where we're at with the feal call form the acceptable um rate for uh fecal call form is I had it on here
somewhere i'll have to double check this but I'm positive it's supposed to be at um 100 so if you look there's the highlighted TMDL number two the water management area keep going forward
um it's it's higher than it it should be um so it should be at 100 uh for that summer geometric mean it's at 198 so it's twice the amount of what is You know what's interesting about that particular extreme it's on the
northern border yes and people are on the town sewers there so it's not like it's septic systems causing this my speculation is it's cuz we're on the southern end of all of these we're we're downstream so a lot of that's collecting and coming through right down to us
going and it's hitting us headquarters of Lac i'm talking about Low Pacqu [Music] because she's right all those houses up there are on septics and city waters there's no livestock up along you know
at least in our stretch up there i don't know how far that goes back Wanda it goes over to Mory's acres it originates I think somewhere on the other side of 57 yes it does it goes on up yeah
but I don't I don't know how far but there again there you have cows along that they're where on the farms 59 not not in that stretch there's horses
there on the opposite side but that's it on the opposite side there's the horse farm yeah the horse farm but like I said there's no no cattle or dairy farms veterary hospital veterary hospital up there cuz that's the same that's the same one that goes through the uh
fairgrounds I believe then yes if you follow all the way up but I don't know how far it goes and there is cattle over in Harmony but like I said I I don't know but it is interesting that there's that high a fecal caulifform level with all the
amenities and such that are there so as far as we're concerned like what we can do about that is what I'll go I I'll divulge more into that okay there are different things that we can do one
of them is to encourage the agricultural practices to uh reach out to um the app board and receive grants to obtain a uh storm water management plan cuz they basically can get a storm water management plan for their agricultural
practices uh pretty much um through 100% grants um so there's things that we can encourage them to do most of all our local farmers know about those grants at least in our town we all take advantage of it which is fantastic that is a perfect aspect of our watershed improvement plan that we encourage that
you know the uh farmers and agriculture uh practices to take advantage of well take advantage but use utilize the grants that are available to them to help improve the water so I guess I don't see much that we can do concrete
where it's located i mean I like we just said the one thing is we can encourage that is a that is a that is part of the plan stephanie can you help me out with the acronym or abbreviation MOS it's in
the columns headers at the top margin of safety okay like I said I I am not an environmental scientist i'm only trying to interpret what they have given me to try and you
know give you the most streamlined version of what they have um I could try to get divulge more into some of these numbers uh but I will be honest a lot of these numbers I had to dig back into my textbooks to try to figure out you know
what exactly we're looking at um so going on to the musky neck pong i'm going to call it the musky uh at Regel's Mill and near Bloomsfield so that's that bottom portion uh that I highlighted um that one again people
call for uh it's predominantly you know agriculture some urban um older development on septics forest they again say you know livestock land application of manure older septic
systems geese beavers um all sorts of you know animals that are might may be affecting this um again different strategies that they can use is uh agricultural BMPs um I maybe establish a
goose management uh program uh something of the sort and there's believe uh boost uh boost bands out there NJPS boost grants um we have about
500,000 snow geese that come into the township in the winter and they go and they they're there for week they go away then they come back yes you you can't hunt them no but it can deter
them that's I believe the migratory bird law uh so there there are strategies okay yeah be interesting what they are um and to give you an idea on how this section is doing uh I told you that the
requirement is 100 uh the last one was at nearly 200 this one's nearly at 700 uh and uh that's uh 100 milliliters uh per or CFUs per mill 100
milliliters um so it's it's very high uh looking at the Kong Creek at New Village now this is in the center of the hackathon uh that also you know the people call for issue um D is saying you
know we have livestock poultry farm land application manure geese and insectics and kind of really pushing this key aspect again there's the same strategies that we can utilize um to reduce those numbers and that center place again also
has nearly a 700 uh level do they take those same bodies of water and I'm sure they do sample upstream further to try to isolate where the higher feal loads coming in at i mean they Yeah they do
there's different stationing water quality station i mean for us we're kind of on end of both of those streams so of course it's going to be at its highest yes it is so it's not to say that the problem's coming from Hakon it could be coming from you know 20 miles away
yes absolutely absolutely um like I said in the beginning of this that was one thing we wanted I was you know wanted you guys to consider is maybe perhaps in order for NJ to uh one
of our waters improvement is to have some sort of advocacy to other towns saying "Hey you're affecting our waters." Uh I I would like to see like all these bodies of water sampled wherever they come into the township okay we could we could that at least you
would alleviate or you would have an idea whether it's coming from our community or farther upstream or or at least how much contributing right I mean have wildlife that's going to happen right I to s sample where they dump into the Delaware as a termination point and
where they come into the community in our town and then you know whatever the difference is between the two potentially is what's coming in from Hohak and we could establish a goal if we want to at that point you know to say "Hey you know this is our impact i I
think our goal should be X Y or Z." Um I mean the amount of livestock in our town has gone down over the last 20 or 30 years there's very few milk cows in fact say there's a few beef cows and that's it to keep in mind too on this watershed
improvement plan which I forgot to had me I mentioned I forgot to mention is that this data runs from 2012 to 2002 so this is older data what we've been given we've been given to do a wershed
improvement plan with very old data at this point I know Ruters does periodic sampling on the pohakon cuz I'll get a letter once a year that they'd like to come on my property to pull the sample and from what I've talked to them in the past they've seen an improvement in the
water quality over the last 10 or 15 years would if I could have those reports available I would have implemented them next time I get one of those letters I'll try to get some information out of them and at that point then we could say "Hey we improved it." I was just going to say the same
look at these numbers are fantastic but but I know at least with the Pohakon they say that that microorganisms are coming back that are supposed to be in the water that the quality is better than what it used to be yes i mean I've lived on it my whole life when I was a kid I can remember soap suds coming down
there are no soap suds anymore i recall somebody saying that they had never seen a pink swamp in um the musky and now they actually do see the little the endangered pink swamp in that particular river i assume that's a microorganism or
an invertebrate it's an endangered plant we hate to hear that word from engineers when we're doing the site plan because uh yeah that that could make trouble for you yeah it does it makes lots of trouble but I that's what I've heard is that and that particular endangered uh
plant is um very uh temperamental when it comes to lubins so to hear that you know pink swamp is coming back is both frightening and also you know from an engineer's perspective and really great to hear from you know a environmental
environmental perspective excuse me yes were you did you make a mistake or you said your data was from 2012 to 2002 yes it's very old because this that's what was available okay
thanks yeah uh that's where they that's where NJ pointed uh their hand and said go for it with this data and so I went with it and who would pay for the stream monitoring like with the mayor's suggestion about the entry point that is
usually done by Beckers uh they have their own kind of they have their own uh program where they monitor all of the rivers so that was done through federal grants and it now is a whole system to
that that we don't deal with as a uh municipality okay it's more of a state level uh review um so then that was that little part okay so going forward um
same thing with Flatron Creek at River Road i'm just going to skip over that one because I don't want to hear that all over again um but that one's at 544 um oh here it is i should have put that in the beginning um so applicable water
quality standards uh for the people call formed um you can see where it was i do apologize it's a geometric average of 200 um and we had one that was at 195 so it looks like one of them was actually fine
but for some reason NJ has determined that it's impaired all right let's talk about mercury now if you look at the mercury it's like I said before mercury
affects all waters in the world um and JT has not issued any ways to um clean it so it's more of an awareness
currently than a project to clean um [Music] it's like I said mercury is prevalent throughout the world it's a global issue um here's the fun part uh most mercury
enters the environment through gas or particulate form and is deposited on the surface often through precipitation which washers deposit mercury into waterways so mercury uh and water are magnets to each other
uh take it with with what you will um has issued statewide fish advisory for mercury uh because it's everywhere [Music] um like I said in that particular one uh where I put it's everywhere it's
everywhere mercury is everywhere um mercury is persistent bio accumulative toxin that can be found in solid liquid or vapor form sure you guys remember when you were sick it was enough
uh so it it even includes you know included in volcanic activity and I don't think there's any volcanic activity lately in black um it's also used in dental procedures which appears to be its main source i I won't dulge
too much into this mercury but to give you guys an idea of what the mercury content is you know we have large base mount bass mouth large mouth bass large mouth bass
sorry i haven't gone fishing in a long time ever since I was a little kid um but those are the rates that they did again look at the years 1992 wow uh all right so that's that's mercury
it's everywhere did you say there's a standard for that like we have numbers of what's in them but is it safe not safe what's there they didn't I NJP did not uh put a standard of what's safe and what's not safe uh they just stated that
you should really only have uh New Jersey fish once every like uh two months or so wow um now let's talk about flooding uh NG is expecting flooding to worsen um the
new design floodations have been raised by 2 ft the storm water requirements have increased they include future storms um and as I'm aware we have implemented all these requirements uh this is not a real picture just to give
you a heads up but I really did enjoy it um so next uh image is a picture of where you have impervious area obviously it's all you know in the northern hemisphere of uh Packom
um I'm going to skip over the impervious area map it's just you know it's a risk area where all the previous area is um we have now a map of the inlets and outfalls you know kind of like where
where all the water is accumulating um so with that flooding aspect and you know I I would appreciate you know any in you know concerned areas where you used to have
flooding uh used to not have flooding now there's flooding where you would like to try to improve your flooding conditions um if possible now you guys are ranchers it's all in the river so everything's the flood's extreme there's
only so much that you guys can do um without knocking on your neighbor's doors and saying "Hey you're you're flooding the Hakonga what can what can you do about it?" Um particularly around those C1 streams because those are you
know those large uh streams um and uh that is the end of my presentation uh so right at this point you know if I can get any input any questions you guys have um I most likely will not be able to answer them but
these will be questions that we put into the phase two of the watershed improvement plan of hey listen and Stephanie these are the areas we'd like to take a look at um the watershed improvement phase two will kind of
answer those questions they will get potential sources of um of funding uh whether that be Highlands grants whether that be uh water bank um you know any projects you
guys may or may not want um you know increase the advocacy in environmental committees you know try to get the environmental committees to do more things um and you know what kind of education like I I've said before you
guys want to implement for your you know farmers for your general public um you know those type of input is what I'm kind of looking for now I have I have input on the lower federal management
council and We recently had a meeting and we had a presentation from this Amanda Khalil and she's with the uh the the Del River Basin Commission she gave a presentation on chloride pollution
um they monitor chloride levels and they are seeking municipalities to participate in a proposed project to reduce chloride use in the winter and municipalities interested in participating can contact
Delaneio at the BRBC and I have her um website address is that something you're familiar with i'm not familiar with i do know that NJP has been pushing for uh lower salt and lower chloride levels
within um for all municipalities um you know they've been implementing uh stricter salt sheds um you guys I believe passed a salt shed ordinance for private salt sheds um so I I'm aware of
the program just not aware of the particular program you're speaking of i'm sorry but Councilwoman Gray I I thought I heard you say induce i didn't use the word induce she said reduce you said reduce i'm sorry i heard
induce i apologize no no like induce i was like why would we want to increase chlorine that's why I was No there this this program is is offering alternatives to using Oh okay okay that kind of thing and I was going to bring it up in my council report but
what an opportune moment there you go apologies i missed her again and that that was something we could definitely take a look at see what kind of implementation I've got her um email address well actually what's your email and I'll just zap you this how about I
give you something better a business card business card i can't get rid of mine i'll take one of them there too if you got an extra of course I got a couple of them in here i'll forward this to you it's in um the latest uh Lower Delaware April
newsletter good it's It's right near the top okay all right thank you never giving out so many one time right i have so Stephanie I I'm u a data driven person yes and this data is very old so
I'm very cognizant of that i really like the mayor's suggestion about the potential for testing about and what I would call maybe ingress and degress of the township waterways yes and we can my speculation and and I think you the mayor alluded to this is that we're
going to already see improvement just because we know that the number of large livestock has reduced since that period of time and so um although maybe some of the deer herds have increased population and as as Councilwoman Gray said if I
look in my backyard when the when the snow geese come they're everywhere i I mean there's also just to give you guys more ideas where your water's been improved and there is now a deer control
grant um if you guys want more information on that one as well does that mean hunting out of season because I think that would go over well in the township i don't know but I can send you that grant information otherwise they want the deer here so that they can have
that for recreation i know the deer numbers have increased over the last couple years we're seeing far more than we used to but the geese are just uncontrolled that's the problem yes like Ingred said I mean she exaggerated but there will be 10,000
geese at one time in you know certain fields and and we do so much there's so much crop farming here they glean those fields oh they do after it's harvest they see that they zero in and I know because I've got them on my left and my right and they just go right down and
they'll be there and you would think that you're in like wild kingdom if that reference works for so many folks but it's just so loud um in fact I'm sure I still have a video on my phone on how it's just I mean it's beautiful but it's just there's a lot there's a ton of them
so some of the aspects we put in this wershed improvement plan is investigating uh deer control program putting a geese control program involved uh but I would put at the top of the list testing oh absolutely right because you know we need you can't face your
data that's over 20 years old yes I agree you know I mean there's an instance up there at like Walmart potentially on any given day there's 150 200 kids right and they're there every day i think what what we're kind of a
leave alluding to there's two different kinds of geese you have migratory geese with the whips and white ones that come and go but we have a higher number of resident geese now Canadian geese that stay here year round mhm and they're the ones that live in the the creeks and in
the detention basins and wherever and that the pollution from them is is astronomical because they're there all the time absolutely yeah i think they need to kind of look more towards uh doing some kind of control of the
resident population of the geese tasty oh I don't know about tasty nails you got cook them in the crock pot good jerky just got to watch your feet so you
don't want to bite on I mean I I I know there's a couple areas we're concerned about um the lowacon creek I had expressed concern there's not enough clearance at the bridge where uh what
what at Huntington what what street is that John lock street lock street where the low pack goes underneath the bridge at Lock Street last time we had excessive uh rain there the bridge backed up the dam or the water and then
it flooded the firehouse there wasn't enough capacity under that structure to carry the water isn't there Wayne when we had that application where the cemetery guy came and testified about the pipe size mhm we've got a few
problems up there like you know one we got back pitch pipes and the DOT wrote which we know and they're undersized um yeah the pipe that the pipes that go under that fell's property are that's downstream of the firehouse yes yeah yeah but we're putting in a new we're
putting in a new uh uh complex up here yeah but there the problem is that they're having difficulty with the D on how they're going to get their permit and what modifications they're going to have to do um there are things that could be done to improve the flooding
there but you know through their study but it it's debatable at this point what the DE is going to ask them to do but I would either way I'd like to get whatever their final product is to understand what the study showed would actually improve the stream whether it's something they need to do or not because at least then we would say be able to
say if we were able to accomplish this through DOT grant or make DOT do it whatever it is this would cut the flooding level down by one two feet i mean that's what we were told you so that's kind of what we're waiting on with their permanent
i mean that that was one troublesome area um the Po Hackcon Creek concerns me there's a lot of additional storm water coming into it from neighboring communities from Alpha Burrow from Greenwood Township and it's all dumping
down into uh C1 drainage ditch along Still Valley Road and there's going to be more and more development out of our community that are going to end up in our uh drainage systems and we don't really
have any control we went Kevin and I went to a meeting in Alpha Burough two years ago and we specifically asked the developer that the detention basin wouldn't impact our town we were told no won't blah blah
blah we go over there and the first thing I see is a 12 or an 18in pipe coming out of their detention basin pointed right at the township road but I was told that that'll have no will not have any more impact on the township
road than it did when it was a farm field which I find hard to believe but and I was told water was coming out of it the other day water was coming out of it the other day how bad Jeff it's like worn down the engine
like the full capacity of the pipe or half the pipe or half did they say that it was high enough though allegedly inside i don't know it wasn't going to reach that level well no i was never told that they just said that if it would come out of that pipe it would
have no worse effect on us than when it was a farm and I like I said I I I don't agree with that company lying there did Did it Did it erode it wasn't a real continuous double day of rain but my my bigger concern is I don't think
the roof's tied into it yet do you think it is i don't think so either right they just finished it what two weeks ago the roof 3 weeks ago did they Is the roof done i believe so well I I don't know but like I said when that project is done done and we get rains like we did I
must not farm for yet either right there's still all that impervious that's not impervious well I mean and I don't know we'd have to look at it but it could be set up now as more of like a sediment basin and it wouldn't be operating the same way that it would when it's done because they haven't installed the things they're going to
allow the infiltration and all the other things that are going to cut it down so this may be a temporary thing it may not and it's something that we should look into um to make sure it doesn't persist and it is just a construction i mean the problem where the water discharges is not poachon it's alpha it doesn't turn
to poachon till 100 yards down the river right but anyhow like I said one of my concerns at least me personally there's all this additional impervious surface that's being installed in our neighboring communities it's going to
affect us i mean anybody else have any concerns like that's my biggest fear with all this development that's not in our town is going to affect us i mean we saw it with the soap from the car car wash
years ago i mean that car wash has got to be 3 miles from the stream but it ended up in the stream all right um what's what's the next step so the next step is going to I'm going to take all of these concerns um and if you guys have any further concerns feel
free to give me an email uh be as specific as possible i'm going to take all of this and I'm going to put it into a report and this report is going to be a draft this isn't going to be a final report uh so that way I can get your input and we could you know see what we
need to put into this report what doesn't need to be put into this report um and at that point um it will be kind of like a strategy report of how do we what kind of projects do we want to
do what kind of uh education do we want to do uh to address these items that we talk about um it would like the areas that you guys are concerned with i mean I hear the deer I hear the geese um I
hear you know advocacy in other tactics that we want to probably get them to you know make sure that they're compliant with their storm water requirements um you know that that's our next step is a report of all of this tied together
yeah what about um the mall on the low pack side that uh potential new elevator well that's the one on the back side it's all low car right i mean that
would I mean that's again it's I think that's why homes right now that's a dead horse right now is it yeah that was not approved by they just need to get some different people I thought that's why they came
back they came back they did but that was also was rejected down after yeah that's corn land for now okay scratch that Anybody else have any questions
appreciate it very much you have any questions Wayne's got my number just reach out i'll be more than willing to talk more if you'd like to thanks for the plan thank you guys for having
me thanks Stephanie okay are you doing this again for Blair Town next week i am doing this for both township they keep discussing and I'm like just give me your report i'll take that
they have to first uh I've only gotten so far with them they they're kind of like doing similar similar similar major they got pollen skill they got tons of farming tons of
geese not as many warehouses and stuff up there though so there they're touch more than maybe I should move to town though all [Applause] right we'll move on
to attorney report Kevin here real quick uh Woodmont warehouse i don't I think that's what you're talking about that yes that's the one he uh I followed up at your request mayor with their attorney i did copy
Wayne as well i think I copied you you did uh he promised to get us he said they just worked out their foot with Alpha and he's going to be sharing that with us so we can do a calculation so that's the one we're looking to get for our connection so that appears to be
moving forward um I don't know why they're that far along in the building on sewer calculation with the alpha but that's alpha i don't know how they had that one on 7th Avenue calculated before it was even under construction yeah the only like I have a feeling they're just
trying to cut their numbers down so everybody when they come in if it's not a big deal they just throw out a number that's safe right to cover but you know but now that they're going to come under they're going to actually look at it and try and say "Okay what are we really going to do?" So they can save themselves some money on a lot of these
fees so I think they have a number they're just looking to give you a more accurate one that doesn't hurt them on the bottom line yeah and we're only they only owe us basically come up with in the system right so but any event that they appear to be cooperating so
hopefully here soon we'll we'll have that worked out again they don't really need to pay us so it's tied in the other one hasn't paid yet they haven't tied in they haven't done the work yet at least we'll have you um just got just a quick note uh all tax appeals that had to be
filed by April 1 i don't we got very few um at the county level and I don't believe we got any new filed in the tax court so um that's good news I think and I and I think so far Jen's already stipped out a
couple of the the county tax court so it doesn't look like we'll have much activity on that end of things which is which is a good thing i did just text my um my former council member Belier who's doing our pickle ball courts just so he
could get a quick update he's and Wayne said he reached out to you as well but he's uh about to start the uh fencing and the nets he said it's still a little bit too cool to put down all the nice paint um but I'm hoping by our name we
can get that done because that's a reimbursement grant so we got to get reimbursed which will be a whole another can of worms because I think that was Scotty's Scotty logged in all that stuff so we're going to have to try to figure out how to get that stuff so that's that
one uh and um Oh I did also speak with Jeff Longerman uh they did straighten out on a statewide basis that that funding for this 100% project so they're they're uh
well on their way to that so that seems to be going in and finally I also got an email today i filed up followed up with um Chris Costa at the Goldenberg Mall they got they got the um pilot from Pack
on just earlier this month so they're right they're they're just waiting for the 45day appeal here to run make sure nobody files the prior case so that becomes a binding agreement is asking them by ordinance soon as that's done um
I I expect them to probably be looking at permits by some which would be great that'll throw a decent chunk of money into your policy trust fund may commit commits to Ingramman
Um I guess that's about it for me Kevin i know that crisscross the cubes right cubes yeah they're filing a letter with the land to ask for a year's extension on their approval and I know they were asking for an extension simply because they didn't I mean the date was
coming up and I don't know because it's June i mean they still approval's only good for two years yeah and it's coming up in June you're not almost to do that that would be consistent with Yeah i just thought I'd mention it for you all right thank you
Kevin turn it over to Ann with our budget prep thank you um we're working on the budget i'm wait I'm a meeting with the auditors on Monday to finalize the financial statement as soon as that's done we can finish the budget i
just need that data from then we have some significant increases unfortunately that we can't fix and um some of that is um with the pension especially police that's gone up to
$71,000 there's not much we can do on that the pension mode for the regular employees did come down a little bit so then that's about 50,000 um the good news here is that the way that we do health
insurance here it's only gone up a small amount it's somewhat self-insured plus regular insurance and because of that the rates only gone up about 3 or 4% this was like 30 What's that i forget
it was like $30,000 or 35,000 I thought right because there was some offsetting things there that that one up but then other went down yes and I'm looking at $13,000 total right now what I'm looking at and it'll depend on what the 2024
comes back at but I think we're in really good shape because the state health benefits went up 17% tremendously huge amount of money will we be able to cover our increases Andy you feel like with our uh tax levy or not like we you
increased the I have to say um part of the problem was that your assessed value come down a little bit instead of going up right because we had a couple things we had to reduce the values so I have to see where it all shakes out when will
you have an answer for us do you suppose by the next meeting maybe earlier I can get in early and we do something special to introduce I'd love to do that but you'll see more information from me before that time What's the deadline where we have to have it introduced and
it's not We passed it we missed it we passed the resolution so that we couldn't go past that right it was April April 1st march 31st yeah March 31st i think we're supposed to adopt by 10 yeah it was May 10th and we knew that was going to happen that's why you
passed the resolution at the last meeting to say we weren't ready as soon as I know something from the auditors I'll have an answer for you all right i just don't want to get the same situation where we got to put that August tax back you know to September or whatever no no no me neither so my goal
would be to get it all introduced [Music] and it's great that's great yeah well I'd like it to be earlier but do we have any additional um revenue as
far as ratables that we recognized that we didn't have last year no came down actually and we didn't let you saw it on the assessment side it's definitely came down once the pilots kick in you're going to see a huge difference in your
budget because we take that money in it offsets your We can't we can't rationalize nothing with Larkin until projects complete like 100% we are we are we are getting a few community impact fees in here i don't know if we can we just dropped that to
the bottom line as you mentioned right so that's good it goes right into your fund balance so the first act of pilot payments the actual payment in the world tax so this year you're not seeing any tax and then at the end of this year
they have to give all the financials i think you in general somewhat I think you are paying for that they will figure that out and that's what our percentage is calculated on so I would say next year we'll probably start seeing the first pilot is that when it starts on the agreement i haven't seen the
agreement okay sometimes we do an estimate and then sure up but I don't know the agreement i'll send you an agreement i mean Jen has them all as well but um I believe that first one first pilot actual pilot payments in your budget should make it to the 2026
budget okay great thank you all right while we're on the subject and do you want to go over this business with the bonds that you talked to me about and the Phoenix yes so um I spoke to first I spoke to John today by the way regarding
the sewer because we spoke about the sewer I believe yes um anything we decide to do I think Wayne gave us an estimate we can do an ordinance and we can pay it any way we want well in the language of the ordinance it says
whether you do the bond you can do cash INI whatever we decide to do we cut it so that's good we'll just make it a straight bond ordinance and when you're ready if we decide when after you're done talking about that um on the bond side we have to see what the
environment's like um when we started talking about doing this we didn't have the issues that are going on to the Fed i mean we think the interest rates are going to drop in my opinion we have to do the bond the bond anticipation note
which is due and that'll come up i think it's October no now and then paid in October off when October comes that's when we'll make a decision whether we want to permanently finance our our outstanding debt because we're just
right now doing notes it's temporary budget right temporarily belongs so I think I spoke to you last time part of the part of what Phoenix will do was assess the market and I think right now we don't know what the
market's like at all i am really not the one to do it i I I have had this polite dispute with an a running dispute and I will be perfectly candid because I always am with you guys i think this is a complete waste and I
also think bond council feels it is too he has a very very modest issuer of debt two or three or four million worth of debts dropped in the bucket for an issuance he we've had John for 25 or 30 John does not do this he does all this
john is probably the best bond attorney in the state charges you guys next to nothing i've spoken with John too because when I first saw Phoenix advisors involved wait a minute let me finish they've they've never been hired as our
municipal advisor number one that's why you all of a sudden have this resolution because so they're encroaching on our bond attorney's expertise anyway so now we're trying to correct this we don't need advising on whether we're going to
group a handful of bonds into two or three million dollar issuance John Drake with can tell you what the bond market's like hey it's good bad or ugly let's do it let's not he's done this a million times for 25 years if you have any questions John comes to a meeting all you have to do is say "John
come to a meeting." Why would you pay several thousand a year i understand you work with Phoenix and your other municipalities everybody likes to work with their preferred people but this is an extra layer that is absolutely unnecessary and it's not just me saying that that That's all right let me let me let me
stop stop stop right there from what I just gathered you said Ann we don't make need to make a decision until October so we can do more due diligence if we want to and look into it but wait it's not Noah that's not the
case no yeah and I'm the lawyer and I'm and I see this stuff so and we've used them already times before already i I see this stuff i I send an email and of the la at the last meeting to to John Wood
Drake it's our bond council talking about this bond for the sewer utility next thing I know it's oh I'm going to have fancy capital we got to have these guys involved we got to have those guys involved i'm like why they have no involvement in this this to me is just you're you're directing municipal
resources to your pet contractor and that to me is wrong i have no reason let me talk now i have no reason to overspend money here absolutely not i am not i would like to see a a accounting of
ridiculous what we could save by going with them versus let No stop now it's my turn okay we're going to get a bond we got Listen you could do whatever the hell you want but these guys Let's keep it keep it so I'm just had it because I
got to be honest with you i'm the CFO here i'm not here to waste your money or your time i drove an hour and a half to get here to talk about and I I appreciate you coming i know that so I mean you said that to me i You know what you do whatever you think is best but for me I'm not recommending spending
$10,000 for just nothing and it goes against your capital it does not go against your anything else it doesn't go into your into your current budget it goes against the current capital i speak to John all the time spoke to him today we've always been a team he said
something else to me i did not get what you did and in all with all due respect I've been doing this for 25 years i'm not here to waste my time no no honestly guess what we've never had an advisor here we have the same level of debt now we've always had three
times here's my suggest I'm sorry no no they've not that's not accurate what they have been doing is accurate is for $800 a year as our compliance officer that's what they've done generally in the past and my suggestion is simply this don't take my
word for it we have the time that's what I'm trying to get at we don't have to do it until October have John Drake come in here and give his team i would like to hear it from the horse's mouth how about How about these people i said have them both come in make I I'll listen to both of them i
think you should but like I said if we don't have to make a decision until October there's no sense pissing and moaning here back and forth getting in a fight if we can have it right from the horse's mouth council can listen assess
what we think and then make a decision that's what I think we should do but in the meantime we are going to issue more notes which cost money and more between every six months because we can't sell these notes anymore we used to sell them to freehold any town they could buy it
well we can't do that anymore they just don't buy it anymore and this is all debt that we've already acred it's not debt that we're anticipating to spend later this is already debt that's on our back yeah most likely mostly spent so we have to permanently finance this came
before me before and and actually you had to do this i believe I didn't look at yours and myself but in all due respect I mean I I would like to just see what we're financing what this debt was like like an accounting of not every
line but you know 50,000 for this 100,000 for that are we consolidating anything this is the last of your debt that you have that's a that's a um an ordinance everything else we've been trying to fund through cash so you see
that capital capital improvement fund that you've been doing a couple hundred thousand a year we've been putting that away but I believe this was mainly for doing roads and roads you can't put money enough away for that you know most of the time and what I don't understand
when I started here we had enough money in our budgets am I right Jeff we had enough in our budgets to cover our road repairs out of each year we never financed our road repairs not for the last nine years yeah well you you bonded
for the last time and I had zero money i $10,000 last year and I could use that in a half a day no I know but what I'm saying is how long have we been doing it that way
you're saying for the last nine years we've been doing it that way well the last four years I haven't had none right but I'm saying when when I started on council I can remember we had a line item of almost $150,000 or more for chip and road
repair right out of the budget yep but our budgets got so tight with everything else going up that's where we we always got cut right problem was to zero i believe we had a bunch of zero i was going to say no tax
right right right right down the road no I know we're making up for it now yeah we're Yeah and that's part of what we do and you can get we can do a couple of things you can do an ornament to do some road repair get some money in here and
pay it off like we do with the notes you don't have to necessarily permanently fine it costs money to get a bond it just costs money no I I I understand but if if we lump them together and do a bond you could probably get a better rate yes and stretch it out over a
longer period of time like we did with our farmland preservation money some of that was probably 20 years yeah and that's actually starting to come down the last payment I think is this year on that yeah I know that that's part of the reason why we were talking about permanently financing
um these but we have gone permanent financing for that that's just my point again I don't want to believe it and I think again you can hear from John you can hear from whoever feels advisors but again our our permanent bond for us is two or three $4 million we don't need
$10,000 worth of advisor to tell us better to do that you search the market john Drago has done permanent financing for us before and it's very Can I ask Can I say something to you so right now it isn't a waste i'm not here to waste
money or time $2.7 million in bonds of which is going to cost you $670,000 in interest not having the right people will cost you a lot more and the whole idea is to get a rating and to get this low as we can okay
that's my goal here i'm not here to spend money but if you're looking at $667,000 can you can you facilitate having both of those entities come and talk to us yeah maybe that all right that and and we're going to leave it at that we're
going to remove that last resolution then I believe yeah because you already agreed to let them do they do the advice already they do have the compliance and we already passed both of that but I thought I would put something into Yeah
after we spoke last time i I just feel like I'd like council to hear from both and then we can make a educated decision all right anything else on the budget then Ann no not right now i mean from what you're telling us it it could I
hate to use this but it could be worse we're not in a terrible way in other words I don't think so i just hope there's one thing with these shared courts i have to straighten out there's something I I I just There's three courts involved and I want to make sure
that those financing is correct i think something didn't go right in 24 so I'll know that on Monday all right all right except the one right here so 24 would have just been Green Witch though right well we have Green Witch and Lac came out at the end of the year yeah end of
the year but still you would be at 10 screw up at the end of the year they're not true but whatever whatever greenwich is the only one and that's when Shannon Quick I think sent an email asking for some backup yes but I they already sent the show up i believe they did that was my question
all right and why why I haven't how did you shake out with uh Lori Drake at Martin Associates i just pulled the I have it all done i just pulled the last uh statement from March and that's when I'm
going to set everything and she knows already okay the cubes is also asking she was she was rather pesky on the phone when I talked to her but she wasn't wrong really i mean she hadn't gotten any statement plus all the charges for Lin was charged
to the wrong account for three years so I went back and changed all that i charged it to their escrow and that's what took some time last at the end of the year so um now they have a complete accounting of everything and um I just wanted to check their balances and I
don't get that statement in the mail so I pulled that today they should be able to send it within by the end of the week okay yep very good thank you Lean thank you all right moving on to uh engineers report what do you have for us Wade sure
so I'll just kind of touch on the new ones uh where there's updates but um Persing Avenue we're still hoping that they're going to be paving here in the next two weeks i believe their bill um for their initial payment was on the agenda tonight hopefully um they're looking for that but that'll be the last
step in getting that uh that repaired uh on Ohio Avenue I think we're looking at about 30 days before that work uh commences they've done their markouts uh right now they're just kind of waiting for this concrete bridge to be cast um and then once that's ready uh
that that work should begin um park and recreation uh I think you saw the email no funding was awarded in 2025 my thought on that is probably because we have 2023 and 2024 still
standing out there uh that they're not going to give us anymore until we close out grants uh for 2024 we were involved in that one that's the Van Jelly Park which you know Kevin talked about and I would like to hope that if they can wrap this up here in the next you know month
or so um we can submit for reimbursement on that and get that one wrapped up um the 2023 grant uh was for the various things at the ball fields uh I didn't I wasn't really involved in that one scott really headed that up um but you know I
I don't think that that's been submitted for the reimbursement i don't know what the status of it is but I don't have any of the bills i don't know what was submitted for so all of that is on Scott's account so I think we need to figure out how we're going to like resolve that and just request that
reimbursement um so that we don't have you know have this issue next year and that we're you know we're ready to accept new funds um so again I'm happy to assist in any way I can but I I wasn't you know that it wasn't that that wasn't the field
itself i believe that there were ancillary things that were purchased for that and that's I think what we need to come up with the documentation on to um for that reason i don't know if anything's been purchased yet i think that was I'm trying to get that's the money used from is that a grant that was
given or the money that the it's like it's like a reimburseable but we have a limited period of time which we're probably coming up on to use it so you know I think we need to get that information over to them on whatever was done with the extent of what what you know what that was intended for um you
know as soon as possible cuz the work I mean it should be done i mean we've done more far more work out of the municipal budget than you know the grant amount so there should be no reason we can't submit you know copious amounts of information showing that we've spent way more than the grant to be able to just
get those funds back um but um you know we we'd have to you know again somebody get the the login for all that so we can you know things can be uploaded um sad to say Pinterest point is still in DOT review it's going on months now
um we haven't got reimbured for that no it's all the paperwork's in it's got final reviews everything it's just sitting that's been done for 6 8 months has it yep now obviously it took a little while after the fact to get all the documentation together from all them but they've had it now since like prior
to Christmas um and it's it's just still sitting in pending there's nothing needed from us they they've even done their own final inspections so it's just getting them over the hump um is it worth me making some phone calls to some higherups or I'll check you know I'll
I'll check with our rep tomorrow and if it's not moving then I'll I'll reach out to you to you know do that call who I needs to call if y you know but I don't there's nothing that should be holding it up it's it's done
um last month we talked about the DPW roof um the real update in that is that we were officially accepted into the uh ESC uh co-op so uh I I sent over the list of items to Jeff you know for for other things that now we have a second
option that we can price materials out you know so we have now two co-ops which may have different pricing and we can always look for a better deal between them cost us nothing to be in there so it's a it it's worth the effort um but uh you know the other part side of that is you know we we used their contractor
to get a pricing for the roof uh gave you those ranges last time of uh 70 to 80,000 for the roof 10 to 30 for the waterproofing on the walls you know I and I think yeah I mean I don't know how you know if that's something you want to proceed with do you want to do you not
like the numbers and do you want to rebid it you know I'll I could ask Jeff you know do do we really need to you know do the walls or is that something we can defer um but you know those are the numbers coming back i don't know how much you're going to save by um going
out but you know they didn't think that two contractors now have looked at this and said "This is not a patch job it kind of be a waste of your money um to do it for a third of the price when the roof really needs to be replaced." So you know it's up it's up to you guys you know we can get them to firm up that
that number in that range or we can try to bid it but bidding it you're if you bid it you're going to have to get an architect you're going to spend money getting you know things drawn up and I don't think you spend a third of that on an architect i I think you'd spend 5 to 10k doing it and I don't think you're going to see that in savings that's the
problem it's structured Kevin it's not just changing the roof there's Oh yeah i mean right am I right in thinking that Wayne that it's not just the roof itself that needs to be changed they had two parts it was the roof and the wall um I mean Jeeoff you you met with them not I mean
I didn't show up to that i don't know what what they told you in terms of Yeah i think it's the sidewall between the smaller building and the long building and then on top of that I think because I said um the municipality building if they
tear off that roof and the insulation comes with it that's sprayed on that's got to be sprayed again and then painted with some fire i just was asking why we need an architect though well cuz you'd have to prepare specs of what it is like you know they'd have to
give you the full list of what materials are using what the areas are what the repairs are going to be cuz we're going to we have to you know make it all apples to apples of exactly what we're going to get bid oh in other words when the bid goes out for specs to go with you what they're doing whereas with the
co-op contractor he can go up because he's in the co-op and he can say you know based on all his other pricing that he's been approved at this is what I need to do and this is what my cost and you know the reason we also picked this co-op is cuz I spoke to Hunter Countyy's architect um and he
said this is who they're using because they've been giving them better pricing than the bids so again we don't need to make a you know firm determination i mean now that we're in the co-op I can go back to him and say you know tighten your number up and tell me what the final is and if you want to look at that you know but
again before I do that I want to see if there's anything else you wanted me to try to explore i mean what was the number you had got Jeff from the other Didn't you have somebody look at it to do a change out or No no it wasn't a change out put a bladder up top and how much was that that was
like 18 or 20 yeah I want to say it was 2025 and that was just that was the bandaid of the band right he he even said he could do it but it was eight nine years right he's like I'll give you a little time but he said it's it's not fixing it right [Music]
all right well either way like you said we're in the co-op now we've got off you know we're not under the gun or anything i'm just you know I'm just giving you the options you can let me know if there's anything you want me to do with it that's that's all well how soon should we get started on this is I mean the roof's leaking down you know
it's I mean we're getting out of the you know we're in a wet season but at least it's not winter um but you know right over It's not going to get I mean it's just going to keep getting worse here everything's said and done we're going to need electrician in there yep swap the banana box out i won't use the B
i think we ought to act on something well I mean there again we got to figure out where we're going to or how we're going to pay for it i mean it's not like we have the $80,000 sitting in the And everybody smiles all too glad about borrowing the money but everybody forgets you got to
pay this money back whether it's in 5 years or 10 years we don't have capital improvements i I was thinking they don't have their capital improvement money but I'll check okay yeah you figure out what our money situation
would be for like and then we'll act after we figure out how we're going to pay for it to what extent we want to do i mean again we're not committed money next year no it's not it's not going to be till next year do you want me to go back to them and at least get the final number now that
we're I I would squeeze them as hard as you can squeeze them and see what they That way we have a realistic idea of what we're going to need to come up with sure okay um Larkin I mean we mentioned it before they're at three TCOs still
holding up on the last one they're getting pretty darn close to to their punch list um they got some paving I'm not happy with and they got their landscaping needs improvements those are the main things but I I don't know what the hold off is on the last building i wonder it's just do they not want to pay for it until the other three buildings
are leased out i mean I hear they're at 65% which tells me they're still 10% short of needing the building so they're kind of sitting there a little bit on it i mean I can't I don't know if it's I drove by there i don't know if you're thinking they're at 65% capacity already that I saw them post online about that
yesterday really yeah now that could be people aren't in there could be people that are committed but they're not at 75 which tells me that's you know that's probably old enough why they don't make the push so you haven't got to be an impact on that last visit we don't
have so coming they can't really anticipate that in the budget let's see um here's one to probably upset Ingrid um the River Road Railroad crossing they were all ready to start this the week of
Easter because schools walked the DOT has to design traffic control they designed the wrong crossing so everybody waited got all these documents they gave him a crossing that has nothing to do with the problem and you know he gave it to me as as the
final check i said "This isn't even the project site." So now they have to go back to DOT to have them redesign the correct one and now this is going to be delayed this summer so um it's not the railroad they were they had they were ready to go um but they came i mean they
screwed up it doesn't go to the top of the pot you would think right they the DOT paid somebody to do something wrong you would think that would that would move it up but it didn't um also on River Road I mean we've talked a little bit about the drainage problem we had um so again the
the railroad repaired they put in their um their new inlet uh Jeff recently put the replacement piping in and the the restoration so you know other than I think you know Jeff made some suggestions about you know ultimately trying to pave around there to solidify it a little bit i think that one
particular area is uh resolved and I did bring up that other area you mentioned um at the last meeting and they supposedly were going to take a look about what they had to do uh over by the fish hatchery so I haven't seen any changes made but um well Jeff Jeff made
it safer he's got reflectors coming up out of the hole so at least there's a warning that there's a giant hole there so yeah but you know I did notify them of that and they said they were looking into it um Shimemer School uh resubmitted in April for completeness
yet again um they're getting closer um but they're still not there i had a call with their engineer today we needed still missing like a phase one geotech report and um they're going to be preparing the additional overlapping information so um I'm thinking they'll
be back in in May um with final doc you know a final submission to review that hopefully will be at the point to recommend to the board that could be complete based on what we discussed at the last meeting kevin did you hear
anything reducing the numbers with the no so just for my this is sense we deemed an incomplete they come back again oh yes so you know they're missing two key
components at this point one is a lot of that overlap he requested so that they are they understand he's got a map he's putting together separate for that just to fulfill that and then uh the geotech one I just said that that can't be a negotiable did you you just said you had spoken with their engineer you know I
the mayor just asked me that and I two or three different times I've I've emailed and I think I've included Jim Kyle don't know if I've included you to be honest with you but about that concept of possibly shrinking that a little bit because we don't need the co- units so Again if you're having that
conversation you might want to remind the engineer that we approach that possibility probably be better for them to have 100% market unit but a tad smaller yeah i mean there's no money in the affordable i don't know why you wouldn't take that out and project i will follow this too
but since you have the you're having discussions with the engineer I would just Hey and the other thing to be honest with you is somewhat a little bit smaller footprint might take a lot of the steam out of the local objections to the project so that was kind of where we were going if you can talk to the
engineer about that I'll follow up with the uh the attorney and I'll copy you this time all right happy to relay it not a problem um EI um came back to the board uh for their 43 units they were deemed incomplete i think the main item was the
Highlands uh which they actually did get a letter from Highlands saying that um their consistency is is fine where they are so um I have to just do a final review on that which and then we can we'll probably be looking to bring that back to the board they're you know they're they're intent on proceeding
with the with the application in spite of uh you know the headwinds um I mean do we have to approve it Wayne had prior approvals for a smaller I think we have there's varying varying opinions on that i mean you know I think
um Jim Kyle probably has the best read on what a detailed analysis on that so I don't know actually you may you may have a better answer on that than I do Kevin i don't I don't some of that's
beyond me i mean the answer is they're they're they're uh they're submitting right now basically a conforming site plan under the ordinance so the ordinance had a had a was was put in place implement
settlement but it's there's like it's a fractionalized number of units per acre i get what number is in the ordinance but if you if you I'm not sure why it is like that but it it permits slightly more than what the court and what they
agreed to reduce it to so those extra couple units are contemplated in the ordinance i guess that's the best way I can describe it so it really doesn't have anything to do with the court settlement the court settlement has to
do with the fact that our ordinance allows i did reach out to them i mean I I guess I could court i felt that going i said "Hey you don't like it." Um this project is going to be I think I've
wings the same way i think Kyle feels the same way the planner you know the configuration is not the best in terms of set be able to get to the market and get people to buy these everybody wants smaller wants rentals wants the stuff
like the largest building and I told him it's already been designated a redevelopment area which it has i said I think you guys would be a lot better off pursuing redevelopment that you could would be more of a win-win but as Wayne just said and he
kind of said to me I don't know they they're marching down the road with this so and we don't really have any crowns in tonight well I'm not going to say that on the record i'm not saying we don't have any grounds to deny it i'm just saying the ordinance would appear on its
face to permit the number of extra units but that doesn't mean that the board's going to be satisfied with the rest of the plan and if they don't like it they don't like it potentially so I'm not going to I'm not going to say on record the board doesn't have Are they applying for variance no i
think it's really good for your single family home right no I mean the single family hasn't changed i think it might have even reduced that i mean the the change is like you know additional town houses to densified site so they removed the simpler stuff and they went to the
density yep and you know again the thing that what what was kind of unfortunate is you know we tried to squeeze it out with you know keeping their impervious that they couldn't increase it and instead of doing you know what I would have thought would be the responsible
thing is okay let us reduce our number to get back to what we had to all they did was shrink all the single family homes which is is really detrimental to to the single family homes you know and they use that as the mechanism to get themselves under rather than sacrifice a
few Again that goes that market issue I talked about we've all talked about that well you that's great you might be able to conform with the ordinance but how are you going to sell these right so that was kind of what I but right and now you have all these homeowners who could buy these things
they're going to be you know incurring costs every time they want to put an addition on their home or put a debt or pool in my opinion chances are after we're dead we're still going to be talking about building but frankly it's just the history of it
and the way these guys are doing this nothing's going to They've actually started moving dirt they actually saw some they had a wetland on the property the permit was expiring this month they actually went out there got their permits for all the other agencies and I
I was watching like a hawk i was hoping one extra day would pass and I could call them in on it but they did the work they got soil conservation permits they did everything so you know there they seem intent to move otherwise why would you do that but the wetland is gone so
uh two last ones uh sewer capacity as Ann mentioned um I and I I fored to Wanda as well i provided the INI proposals uh one was ours which is kind of a start to finish and includes the costs for um hiring the camera company and everything to do that aspect of it
um the other secondary one which is a larger number is once you do that then how much lining do you have to do and that's where the the heavy cost comes in um and what I provided in that is what we think is the worst case scenario because let's just assume the entire
length that we're studying has to be relined that's what that number is all we can do at this point is hope that when you do the first phase you'd realize it's not as bad as as it seems but we have no way of knowing so again that's that's what we gave you is the the full breath of
that um so you know again I forward that to Wanda it's probably something to just think about and read through for the next month and just see what's you know what's included there uh and the last one just MS4 compliance you know we we went through that uh presentation earlier which is just checking off
another one of our boxes with both the Highlands and D um so we're about halfway through that Highlands grant at that point um we're going to start we can't request reimbursement until we finish individual tasks so basically we're just trying to check these off
over the next 6 8 months and then we can take our bills and then submit them to Highlands and get the reimbursement money uh for that grant um and then along with that we've just uh this month submitted our yearly reporting to D and
you know it has no errors in submission which means that you know we're not raising a red flag at the moment i would say I've been hearing from uh engineers in Hunter County that they're all starting to get their audits uh from the D so people coming in going through
everything you know start you know ding for their violations um you know I would expect that if they're getting hit this year chances are we're probably looking at one in the near future so you know it it it'll you know I we we have our the deficiencies we've always known about
and that is what it is but um you know just we had our conversation last time about the you know the brush and all that i just think you know we've made a decision to reopen it and that's fine um but we might want to start thinking
about you know what the more permanent solution might be um because you know you're right you're not going to get a fine the first time they come you're probably not but if you don't have a solution start to line up um you know you will risk it at some point so that's
all I have all right thanks Wayne moving on to council reports charles please i must have missed the boat somehow i don't have an actual report um but I have a conversation with Jeff uh
short while ago this month and we basically just talked about what what Wayne just talked about oh looks like a report just showed up my my ship has come in but I mean we we did talk a little bit about that i just confirmed to Jeff that in the in the meeting where
you were uh incapacitated uh we we did bring that up and kind of kick around uh his thoughts on it and came up with with the direction that that Wayne just expressed for the time being so um basically other than that for the
month um checked all township roads each day checked uh uh park garage weekly conduct yard maintenance um clean and checked drainage throughout township numerous times after rains picked up
roadside garbage on Overly Road cut up and chip trees that came down across roadways on Melik Mel's wood and river roads opened up brush drop off area for residents rolled all township fields and Pohhatkong school fields picked up three
loads of infield mix from beam clay and took to Crestwood Park and Warren Glenn Park for baseball and softball for the town wreck repainted all railroad crossings on River Road and near mile marker 44 installed high visibility markers near storm inlet on River Road dugout
old cross over uh over pipe on river road and replaced with new 18 inch times 18 inch by 40 smooth boore plastic pipes back filled the outlet side of the pipe with rip wrap stone and gavon stone where the river embagma washed out uh
dugout formed and poured three sides of catch basin number 76 on Russell Avenue which was starting to collapse uh serviced BPW roadside mower and pickup truck 15 had two tires put on the
backhoe serviced and replaced coil pack and number six injector on police vehicle 75-18 replaced blower motor and resistor on police vehicle 75-13 replace front calipers brakes and
rotors on police vehicle 75-15 um and a note um to uh request to talk about a lease purchase of a full-size 4x4 dump truck to replace uh the DPW
truck that the floorboards are rotted out in um guess Jeff I guess spoke to Colin Kane with Gabriel truck uh and who said he could order the truck that has that uh Jeff speced out now and could have a truck in December for this winter
and payments for truck would start uh one out start after the truck is delivered to us first payment wouldn't be until December of 2026 the payments would be about 47,000 a year uh and uh and uh to and the next
note item is to have a discussion on the brush drop off area before we go on did I miss miss or jumble anything regarding uh the uh the Gabriel truck no okay that's
it what did you want to further discuss on the brush dump Jeff uh kind of what me and you had talked about discussed after I got back from vacation and I talked to Nelson about it
[Music] um I think I don't want to close the brush stop i don't want anybody to think that that's again we're not in compliance and I don't think we got a little bit by keeping it on our property back here
but if we can shore up some things we can at least beg for some forgiveness if somebody comes in right i know just what you're saying you think if we left the leaves and the grass out of it and kept it to strictly tree limbs and shrubs and
stuff like that we we would be closer how many feet away from the stream does it have to be 300 ft can't be anywhere near no but there's got to be a distance so you can't just say there's anywhere near cuz you're 5 miles away so I mean there's got to be it our problem Kevin
is everything funnels there so whatever we have to leech goes there there's no other place for it to go i can take that and go down to the cold it's not a grip it's not like a distance thing per se right the normal it's T1
stream anything is supposed to be regulated within 300 ft but it's it's the lee is the problem so it's like if you're in these proximity my question is alternate locations that's that's what I'm trying to think about i'm trying to figure out where we may be able to do some alternate approach so I'm trying to
understand you know if there has to be a certain distance from the stream because of the weed shake and they say that it's got to be 300 ft or half a mile i don't know that's what I'm just trying to figure out and as we heard from the presentation earlier today by Stephanie you know we've got all of these you know
four category streams here that and rivers that we were having to deal with plus other uh other freshwater ponds and such so I'm trying to figure out where and appreciating that we got limited town property um and I know Kevin you
were going to look into the the properties that got foreclosed on and stuff the leans yeah um but to see what alternatives we may have even if we have to break it up if we you know for example if grass and leaves are the problem if we have a
secondary location that may be smaller in nature cuz I don't know how much what% of that is grass and leaves depend what time of year like right now they're bringing everything and anything down here I got bags sitting in
there that we pour out here yeah that's how bad it's getting and it's never been that way and the thing is no matter where we put it even if we're farther enough away from the stream we're still going to have to monitor who's using it
and what you're bringing and that's where it comes into the problem if we send it off site there's not going to be anybody there to monitor we're not going to pay one of our guys to sit up a crest with a crest with every day to see who's bringing in what am I right Jeff it's
just logistically impossible well right we talked about some Yeah but it's still you catch them but the stuff's you're still going to have to deal with material they brought in understanding the other thing I thought too is we talked about well it's one of Ingred's
projects as well been on hold a little bit but I think I said last meeting the step has been filed the Greek litigation that national realy filed against the approval of landing sport issued for that warehouse that's been resolved that's that's settled
um so at some point I'm assuming again they two might be proceeding to final they might have to come in final don't they so you know There may become an opportunity as that gets going to you know they were talked about kind of interested in donating
that some parcel of property acorage with that old house and that's pretty central to everybody i mean I think that could make a nice yard maybe for Jeff up there and then the other nice part about that is we're exempt from subdivision
so we could turn around and you know donate just the house part if we wanted to to the historical society now you got a little bit for a yard and you got you know you got this over here it's preserved it's preserve I know he always
had questions on that you know so that's another and it's pretty centrally located most people yeah so I'm kind of thinking about that and that's not too far away so we can bandaid it a little bit get that donation at some point which I think they were pretty willing
to do they just you know they're not going to give us a ton of money with it but that's okay the property has you know just the location has you know Jeff do you think that would be a viable spot we can get a hold of that i mean yeah but is that in uh I mean
that's way way streams i know but is that under uh That's in the planning area not the preservation yeah we're getting we would and and I bet you if you told the Highlands that you were pulling this thing out of here and moving they have nothing to objective
you know that's that's not a bad idea no it's actually my mind so I I'll follow up with Mark Pac and and find out what they think their time frame is i just I spoke to one of the
Yeah what they said they told me not not they didn't anticipate on doing anything till spring of 2026 that was from Alex Montek or one of the one of the real estate people that was involved i've got it in my emails i mean
listen if they're comfortable I just don't want them to like if they donated a piece now I think my concern for them would be it theoretically changes their their using it right so what what as
soon they were right on the edge of the So as soon as they draw permit that would be then they could make a donation it seems to me he had said something about they wanted to something about the bank and financing they didn't want to carve
it out until after the bank finance i I think something along those lines i mean that that's still not that far away to be honest with you all right so keep that perk in the back of your mind i think that'd be a good location
there's no water near No absolutely none all right let me just pigtail on this romantic thing when the historic commission met Michael Marise had um question that he asked me to bring us um
we've asked the zoning officer in the past to require creek to put a roof tarp over the house because he says "We have this ordinance that you cannot allow them by
neglect." However um our former director interceded and told the zoning officer not to because in the past we did not require previous owner of the property to do that how to be about this i can
certainly ask you to get a card as soon as possible because we do have that ordinance okay glad to i mean actually yeah I say our property ordinance does
cover that piece but we've had trouble enforcing the same thing at at down to the winery as well oh you got it right through his roof too this is a reasonably deep project i can't actually put on so I will follow up thank you so
much okay all right Nelson anything else what no nothing else except I don't know if you want to touch upon the uh the uh truck issue now or uh revisit that um if if poss if this is something for the winter
I don't want to uh just wanted to bring it up because it's in Jeff's notes here and I don't know if we uh want to take that up now or consider it further down the road what's your thoughts on it Dan well it's a national co-op so we have to work co-op contract
um and to a lease agreement i think it's a good idea i have to see what the cash flow was but at $47,000 a year am I right Joe yes yes yes five years six years is
this you want to go that was for seven years i just want to see and the life expectancy on the truck 15 yeah we know we can't go 20 21 23 i mean what's what's the one we're replacing
2003 all right so we got 22 out of them the only reason is we can if we can get this forward they can have it for me by December or January you don't make a payment they can push that first payment
back one year from the date of delivery [Music] and that was guaranteed that truck for this winter what's that Andy i don't think I would push the payment no I I don't see the point either you're just kicking the can down the road then right and I like to just see the whole thing
what five years is what seven years is and and so but I think we can see if we can make that work i think it's important we kind of have to and I'm wondering if I can pull out of um some capital improvement money so soon as I get home what are you going
to do with the old truck Jeff get rid of it i hope try to yeah you have to auction it i mean you got to do something with it nobody want to try to fix the world that just kills me that nobody wants to I have a quick question
on since um since the the community impact fee is is clearly established by the redevelopment agreement to sign the done deal contract we know what the amount of payments are going to be because each unit is identical so we've
gotten three we made that one enough um if Jen could give you what she anticipates assessing that on Could you uh anticipate that funds in our budget do you think no but it's a good idea could we do a special if we get the money in or not i'm just trying to
figure out a way to spend it this year potentially on that truck well I think that we already have that um those couple of impact fees that drop to the bottom line right now they drop so I could You're dropping them into surplus basically yeah you mentioned it last time instead of putting it in the sewer
it's up to you know everybody what you want to do with that but I think that if we lease it or we do source well and have a finance agreement that saves a lot of money i don't have to go and get a bond and all that stuff so right by financing it through the people we're
buying much better idea i just want to see what they mean by stretching it out and how much they're going to charge so we'll come up with the exact right amount you you get the documents to Ann and then come over next door i can give them to her tonight all right we're I have to do some more stuff and Jack we
do it by next meeting we still be there by the center i'm I'm hoping you guys can try to make a decision yeah because May would be for me to tell Colum hey okay but they won't take that order until I have a PO right or it be okay
from you guys to say here it is source wall is going to do it truck body wow whole 9 yard and it's ready to go and it was like 2 260 and change or two uh idle
heat or 280 and change 254 and change and that was completely outfitted yeah but there's there might be a little bit more in that when I go and look at it as far as where I want stuff in the truck
you know what I mean nothing as far as like another $15,000 $10,000 and you can't reuse or you don't want to reuse the plow from the other truck i can but there's a lot of land i'm not getting rid of
that by no means cuz we don't have enough you know what I mean you review with him and if you feel it's it's a sound deal by next meeting we'll take action but I want and to make sure
it's feasible we'll have to award it to a co-op that's basically is it the which co-op is it is a sourceful it's a national is it one out of Texas cuz we joined that one a while ago yeah no this was like national and everybody buys their trucks
source pretty much if you remember we we're not members now and we're not members now not yet no why don't we add Why don't we add to the motions calendar tonight a motion to to join that co-op and then
that's done part will be done great idea what is it source well source the source wanted to a motion to join to authorize our DW director and you whatever to join that source well co-op so that process
because there paperwork for that as Dan did say so that's where the police uh use and with municipal finance municipal finance they were but they were
I didn't know you guys only because it's a national it's a little But it's fine we'll do it now and then we'll put a resolution together you remember Mayor we were going to do that with the back one and then you guys on
board that was on yeah i don't know two three years ago wasn't it and now back to 2020 already yeah okay what do you mean
yeah it was Joe the girl from up in Sussex the red what was your name all right uh so we'll take action you You guys get together and then we'll we'll make a decision
all right Andrew what do you have for us um nothing that I have already covered okay Kevin I will take council's time um if you don't I roll cuz I got a pile of
stuff too so uh a few things well first of all the land use board hasn't met since I last meeting so no update there outside of the heads up that are a provided um for the courts a few things for the
court reports uh we'll start there in the month of March uh Green Witch had uh 323 traffic ch charges added 289 disposed 31 criminal charges added 24
disposed the um municipal treasury took in $9,824.78 for a year to date of 20,000 25,35122 for POAT 165 uh traffic charges added 191
exposed 31 criminal cases added and 24 disposed poat court municipal deposit was $6,258 uh year-to- date is 19,91.93 and for the LOAT court they had 137 charges added 152 disposed 16
criminal cases added and 12 disposed for uh municipal deposit of $7,566.75 for their year-to- date of $21,56.72 um additionally for the court I don't know if I provided that update yet uh
the mayor myself um Judge Melinger and Christine Glinko who's our our new administrator um we're looking for a new new uh deputy administrator so Chris our deputy administrator is retired we're in the process of retirement thank you
there's a lot today and so thank you Chris and Ethos for your service to the township um and we did interview uh a number of qualified candidates at the end of the day uh an offer was made I think we actually had this on the agenda
last time to Andy Dorcas who will take over as the new deputy administrator um on top of that um also want to call out that the uh the mayor and myself had an opportunity on
Saturday evening to attend the fire department banquet uh it was good time celebrating uh the fire room and um as well as some of you know the dinner thanking for the municipal aid groups uh as well as um the uh the ladies
auxiliary that that supports that um so really thankful for their continued service uh to the community and looking forward uh to seeing them next year and I will let the mayor talk about the Easter egg uh so I
will conclude my report thanks Kevin john you may be good sounds all right to me there's a few different things we talked about some of these things already [Music]
yeah you can bug out here i want to just And I have to get stuff from Jeff i think Jeff just went out to get it probably but either way you you don't have to stay in whenever you want yes thank you all right so there's a few
things I've got i got one request from a resident on Melikwoods Road for some street lights um and I was going to take a ride through there to see what it looked like but my feeling is unless it's an intersection or a dangerous area
I don't think street lights are the answer i don't know have you been down Melo Woods is at night it's been a while for myself i again we talked about it briefly um if he's if if it's a complaint that
they want lights near their house for walking at night I I don't think it's not going to benefit the town right i don't see it him just being able to see while he's walking the dog i mean we we've discussed you know Shinmer Manor Parkside
it's not like there's street lights throughout you know throughout every road they're at the intersections for safety reasons right everyone on a rural street yeah cuz then you know so everybody's going to want a street light too we're we're you know
trying to satisfy individuals instead of the community as a whole i mean it's a rural community to start with i don't There hasn't been any safety issues i know it's But is there a light that's out there cuz I think that's what the gentleman said was there a light there he said there was a pole there that
doesn't have a light and then he wanted another one there's a pole there doesn't mean it should have a light we'll we'll double check and make sure cuz if it's a matter of a bulb yeah then take that mouth fix i think he wanted that and another one okay is the
way I understood it that'll be taken care of if that's the issue for that but as far as additional lighting goes I don't see the Yeah I I don't either you see and if it's a light bulb out either you guys are off contact cuz our guys report them on a periodic on a regular
basis when they're driving around at night but he's got to remember too that there's variations of lights some are spot some are continuous some are only partial so if it's not needed on a continuous or spot-on then maybe it's
not lit for that purpose that's you know we can look into it with JCP now all right as as uh Councilman Melvin said I attended our annual egg hunt it was the fifth right Chief correct and it was very well attended even though the
weather was very uncooperative it was cold damp rainy but the kids all had smiles on their faces what do you think 250 200 kids maybe maybe not quite that many at least 150 200 kids yeah i mean it was
I thought I thought it was well attended especially dealing with the weather yes you guys had plenty of prizes you had stuff left which was good uh very grateful to the Walmart for all their donations uh I also attended and Ingred you're
going to have to help me with what day it was we went up to the Shimemer Mansion friday the 11th yes the 11th at 4:00 yes all right um I met with And Ingred was there as well michael Margalles and all three county
commissioners and their what's he the photo op guy yes chris Allen their manager okay anyhow we uh accepted a or they accepted a donation from the county for 117,000
um for restoration and repairs for the Shy mansion correct i got a good tour of it and as I said to Michael I can remember when the carpenters still lived there i was in the house um myself probably in my 20s and it's a very very
neat house very majestic you get up on that third floor you can see all the way down South Main Street all the way down to Apple Gate where Applegates used to be and then you can see over to Logan Street Hill just a neat neat house
location location location i hope Michael can put that money to work and do what he wants to do to help restore and maintain it he's got a great camp chart that he's working on all right nice
but we had had a good photo op there with the commissioners uh it was it was a good day and they're going to be uh featuring elements of Shine Man and its history on their website for the the anniversary
celebration that's coming up for the county so Michael Maris and I are gathering pictures of before and after like you know when we had the giant Olympic swimming pool that was collapsing and so forth which is just a beautiful green lawn right now so I like
the deck upstairs or the roof upstairs that that's where we have cocktails yes [Music] indeed around bring a bottle and we'll have a few shots up i think so all right one other issue I had raised by uh
resident Mr pam Yankee we'd like to see some I didn't quite follow i'd have to call him but I got a phone number person in Sussex it sounds like they use that as cross cuts from what st james to 122 or he's he's
concerned about traffic speeding through on both streets he lives on the corner he said what were the streets persing persing and Sussex yeah it's probably people trying to say people are trying to like quick check i believe
the problem the problem that March March Boulevard used to be the problem cuz everybody was coming from St james Avenue to get to New Brunswick Avenue a lot of them were employees going to work on industrial drive whether it be for the old um
Spectra Gas which is now Lindy Beer and Transformer Oliver um we've always had radar details there the speed trailer has been there the stop signs have put a big haunt to that in town i believe what you're talking
about at this one specific spot there may not be a stop sign so if people are going through that intersection without stopping at the other ones it may appear to them that they're going a little quicker than they should be cuz there was another issue at the end of Pennsylvania Avenue that
we've conducted numerous details on that we got complaints about but it's the only it's another spot at the upper end of Pennsylvania by the old Shy Mansion where there's no stop sign so the only I don't know if they're looking to have stop signs at every single intersection
at this point but I'm I'm not familiar with the name unless it's I'm not familiar i I I didn't get a complaint about it but as far as I understand all the all the details that we have done on Pennsylvania for those Yeah i I'll tell
you what Ryan I will forward you Mr pam Yankee's phone number sure and send the guy up and see what he's talking about and see whether it merits Yep additional signage or not no problem i've talked to Mr pam on other various things they're actually nice people reasonable yeah no
problem not you know off the off the wall yeah all right that's another thing off the list we talked about that one last thing wanda had an interested party
wanda did he have a cannabis license or he's looking to get one he has a location in Egg Harbor he wants to move here he was interested in the uh Jim didn't have any issues sounded like uh Bill Bandry law office and probably
those little he thought the motel's with it is with it yeah they are with it so that for he was and I said I reached out to Kevin to ask him if it would be acceptable because our that's a B2 zone
or it's a beast and the ordinance is for B3 canvas ordinance only included was it C1 or something B3 B3 the one the one where the old bank was there drive place
your Right that's correct they'd have to take both buildings down and create a parking they'd have to create parking but if you guys don't have any problem with extending cannabis to that zone all it is we can control that right here cuz
that's in our police power cannabis we can just say "Yeah we're sending it to the I think that'd be good for them for business." park well whatever we need to do on our end as a council house yeah wipe out that's what
I said yeah but they have a problem now got the shop got the fun shop the hell parking spot the bagel guy ought to get with this guy and work out a deal for additional parking personally but yeah that that would be the biggest
concern that I can see right i I did run up the poll with Jim and Kyle and if you guys want to just extend cannabis don't forget we only have one license so you're not adding licenses the ordinance already says it's one in 10 for retail
but we we we didn't include that B3 zone that's an easy amendment i could have it here for next meeting if you want do it because he can't really apply for anything unless he's eligible in the ordinance right i think the bigger hurler is going to be coming to a an agreement with Mr demanding for actually
you guys uh if you want fast you could add it to the first readings you even look at the bank let me know if the people in the bank don't want to do they won't sell they don't they everybody wants to buy a property and the bank doesn't want to sell the property they want to lease it you want to add a first
reading first motion to extend add an ordinance toend it's B2 B2 excuse me B3 now we need to extend to include B4 And and I still want the right to to
decline it because like I said somebody wanted to put one in at the same Bank of America i talked to you about that right we all thought that was not the ideal all right so we'll add that as an ordinance for first reading by name only
all right i think that's about all i've covered everything that that we need to talk about on my aspect so just a quick question on that are we going to the conditional use we have a very comprehensive canvas no
no I know but I'm saying um Well this isn't in the zoning ordinance this is just in the canvas oh okay okay i have a question did Mary and that would be a gym question at your next also some requirements or
conditioned licensing thing yeah that because that may give you a little bit more latitude to give you from that master plan so you guys just hit all that yeah we did it yeah I wish somebody
that would be good mr mayor can I just add something absolutely just I don't know if this is going to fall on a new business or not but it's just been brought to our attention within the last couple days walmart their contract with their security services has ceased oh it has
correct they have no security we We have an ordinance that specifically says they have to Was that useful Chief did you find that ordinance or Cuz I heard mixed reviews on My point being is if it if it wasn't helpful to you guys because it seemed
like you guys were getting more work out of having it there than not and it wasn't being there yeah the calls for service for shoplifting and and whatnot i mean they are what they are okay it was more of they're just driving up and down and
if they see anything you know someone with a flat tire they call us right away so it's making increasing your work and the biggest part is the tractor trailers and it's not even that trucks were actually violating anything it's it's it's as soon as they would pull in they would approach them tell them there's no
but you know they could be just going into Walmart to get something and then it would be a confrontation because they were trying to push the issue oh well I'm just going to call the police so but you guys the town has the ordinance on them that they have that on Walmart is
has to have security chief you know those you don't want it to those stations that they have that monitor everything correct that has nothing to do with them i know is that is that monitored live or is that just yes video capture so in other words is there somebody who's going to say "Hey you
know hack on police somebody's murdering somebody in Walmart parking lot and this this I mean that's what I'm trying to figure out." Or is it passive that's monitored by Walmart has nothing to do with security right but do they have a live person watching that or do they review them no they majority they'll
review them upon request okay but if if they're not busy they will review them only on a incident base if they're seeing something inside the store then they'll follow them the only like they're great cameras um but again it's
it's more for after the fact so it's Did you do you have understanding that their intention right now is not to bring them this just within this week yeah uh we had one officer that talked to them and they said that they their contract lapsed and it didn't sound like they had
any intentions on what's your feeling on it Chief do we do we enforce it or do we just say we don't we don't care in my honest opinion I don't I don't think there is a necessity for it why don't we just leave the ordinance on the books let it go if it becomes something and then we can even approach
them and just say "Hey listen you know you might want to." Was there at one point an alternate strategy that we were looking at yeah but I don't know what it was there was a mini station on site or something i don't know
chief was there any I saw there was some theft lately uh motorbikes got stole up there on Bellis Road in Holland you know what I got i didn't even uh Oxford the same fee come through that some were stolen in Oxford i didn't hear about Oxford i definitely heard about Bellis
Road i'm actually personal friends with um the owner of Hoots who supplied that video and the still photos uh I'm waiting to hear back from him just to see if he has any insight because he's into motocross so I didn't hear about Oxford to me that almost looks I mean if
you look at the picture alone and this is just me being me you know it looks like these somebody's taking photos and advertising these they got these really nice motorcycles in their garage it's right next to a garage door you know was it an inside job i don't know but I
think in my opinion it's somebody that knew they were there right that's not a random act of theft to steal two dirt bikes have two people that know how to ride dirt bikes and get them out of the area but it did happen in other words it was a for real yeah it did in on Bellis Road yeah and they went over the
Regalville Bridge right that's what I had heard they went down Bellis and then out and they had a car following them so again this was I'm not saying an inside job but they knew the bikes were there all right i mean if somebody was going to repo them they wouldn't break in the repo right no they can't break in your
house no that's what I was going to say that's No but Well either way just as long as everybody's aware that you know this stuff is going on like chief said it probably was an inside job at least whoever it was they knew that those bikes were there they were too prepared you have a somebody driving two guys
there again that know how to ride dirt bikes they knew where they were there was nothing they could They knew where they were going they went in the garage they took the bikes and they drove them away yeah i mean yeah that's a state yeah definitely all right that's it for myself let's move on
to resolutions we're going to take and leave the last one off we have three anybody have any issues with them no I'll move forward mayor I'll second okay ray yes lzetti yes melvin yep still yes
slack yes ordinances for first reading we're going to add an ordinance actually an ordinance mayor to amend our cannabis licensing ordinance to extend the permitted zones to the B3 zone b2 B2 B10
B2 sorry all right and that'll be on for uh second reading next month yep motion and a second i motion I make the motion that we um amend our cannabis ordinance to
include a B2 zone is that you John mhm okay gray yes letti yes melvin yes still yes slack yes all right ordinances for second reading
this is to amend the code of the township of Pohakcon Warren County state of New Jersey to add disabled veterans property tax exemption i'll move it forward for public hearing second all in
favor i Jen asked for this just so we clarifies that we're only going back to the day of the application for any exempt status not further retreat i make a motion to close the public hearing and adopt and adopt and adopt
second melvin okay gray yes rosetti yes melvin yep stillow yes slack yes motion we had something we wanted we joining the Sourcewell co-op program sourcewell yes i make the motion we join Sourcewell
i second that motion okay gray yes letti yes melvin yes still yes slack yes public comments i see no public we need a brief executive session correct yes all right um
action will be taken may be taken will be hopefully will be i I can give the itinerary of it if so if you want to bug out Kevin it's going to be pretty quick and easy we might as well uh who's making the
motion for executive session yeah that's all personnel John okay can we have a motion for executive session motion to go into executive session we'll stay right here and who's the second kevin Milton okay and all in favor i don't think that that's a good move with Walmart by the way it it shows
a good base effort with them and they're making you good no we're back just briefly discuss what actions we're going to take we're going to authorize acting chief parsy to uh put out for two recruits at the July
7th at Somerset it is Morris County or Mars County correct and he's also going to look into the ability to pull back officer Hill and he's also going to put civil service out for uh job announcement job announcement
that would be that uh we're going to advertise for a part-time right part-time Wanda part-time business administrator business administrator salary to be determined um later yeah and do we have to hit no
the and to um revise the uh work schedule of Noel Mhler clerk's assistant from full-time to 15 hours a week do we have to vote on this Wanda or we all yes you can do all three if you want do all of them together all those
in favor i move it forward mayor all right you move it i'll second it and then we all voted I everybody's Yes okay thank you all right i thank everybody for saying it was a long one