Council Bill Bohack regular monthly meeting Tuesday, August 19th, 2025. >> Okay. >> Wanda, what's the status on our advertising? Somebody asked me the other day, what are we doing right now? >> The Star Ledger and the Express Time.
>> So, it is online only though. >> No, not yet. That's not till March of next year. >> Okay. So, there still is. All right. That way I can have an answer. All right. Uh, adequate notice has been given to the Star Ledger and the Express Times to satisfy the open public
meetings act. Uh, if we could all stand for a moment of silence and a flag salute. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. 10 people. >> Is that you, Wanda? >> Yeah. >> You need a minute? >> I don't know what's the matter with her. It's not doing the video. >> I hate being on camera, so that's okay. >> She won't be quiet. >> There you go.
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and let me see if I can reboot. >> I'm good to go. Okay, it'll start again. Okay. And this will all record on the CD that I already had in there. >> Okay. >> So, what happened? Chris
motion second. That's good. >> All right. Who made the motion? Ingred >> in a second. >> John second it. >> All in favor? >> I Is your machine working again, Warren? >> Yeah. >> Are we back on? >> Yes, we're back on. >> All right. Just real quick for the record, we in executive session with our
administrator or labor council and what comm what committee mayor and committee is here. Uh and we gave our labor council uh direction as to how to uh proceed with a possible settlement discussions on our pending civil service litigation andor appeal if necessary.
>> That was it. >> Sounds good. [Music] Everybody have a chance to look at the uh minutes from July 15th. Does anybody have any amendments, additions, corrections? >> Move to approve.
I'll second that. >> Okay. Ray. All right. Daddy. >> Yes. >> Slack. >> Yes. >> All right. Motion to pay bills. Payment of bills presented in proper form and signed by the director of each
department and approved by the majority of the members enlisted on the bill list. Does anybody have any issues with their bills? >> Questions? >> Ingred was not available to look at the list today. >> You want it? I have it right here if you want it.
>> Oh, yeah. >> All right. So, we'll table that till Ingred has a chance to review public comments pertaining to agenda items. But being we only have one person from the public, we'll any general
comments. So come on up and sign in and let's hear what you what's on your mind. >> Um >> is there a over there is the signin sheet? I think >> sign also if you sit there and speak into the microphone up your >> Is there a pen that I sign in with?
>> Do you want me to sit right in front of the mic? >> Yep, that's good. >> Okay. >> All right. My name is Bal Civil. I live with Barry Hinrich on uh at 100 River Road. Um and I guess I'm just speaking for a few of
the people that live down there. And we, you know, as as an aur woman, we take our constitutional walks every morning for our health, but we also pick up a lot of trash as we're doing that. Um, and and
we also, uh, you know, have picked up some really vile trash in recent past. Um, like human feces has been, uh, piles of it. It's been pretty gross. Um, and
all the signage is gone for no littering. There isn't really I mean I'm sure you know y'all do stuff that I don't see. You know that that always happens, right? It's not like, you know, but there's there's a lot of um there's it's seemingly uh or cleaned up because
there's like two or three of us that pick up trash every day and two or three times a day sometimes. Um, but some of the vile trash has been, you know, just almost insulting to a taxpayer, you know. I mean, it's like to
actually have to do that. Um, and I guess I'm just coming to see if there's the signage can be updated. Maybe there could be some, you know, I know there's technology to to do some kind of um, you know, you have like, you know, there's
like cameras you can put up for, you know, wildlife. Why not put be able to put up cameras for where people park to, you know, to keep them accountable for littering? Um, >> do you feel this is done during daylight hours or at night?
>> I I think it's both. I do. I think it's both. >> It's both. >> Um, >> is this in front of the house or is this like >> along the river road? You know, like along the river, >> the whole span. >> Yeah, like the whole railroad. I mean, I I don't I'm not a long walker. some of
the other women are, but I I basically I have a 20-minute thing. I go two feet and um but you know this that area that I walk, there's like two parking spots and those are generally just like piles of stuff. >> Okay. >> And I will have to say I agree with you.
The litter along that road is just consistent. It it starts from Snider's Road and it goes all the way down to Reglesville. >> Yeah. And we have overnight camping there two weeks ago and they left a bunch of litter. And you guys who walk the road there, you're the short one,
but there are long-term walkers that I know. >> Yeah. A lot of them. >> And when Steve Babinsky was here, he said, you know, if you pick up trash, you got the bags, you could bring them over to the municipal building and they would take care of that. You wouldn't have to stick it in your trash. But that's okay.
>> The fact that you're picking it up is wonderful. Thank you. And you know, it's like it's taken to be a mature woman. India is used to get to be okay with it. But still, I do think that there needs to be some accountability in the people that
continue to do it. And I'm not sure what you can do. >> And you're right about the signs. We actually got a letter a couple weeks ago, maybe last month, about the signs that have been ripped off throughout the township. Not just >> Oh, street signs. >> Street signs, but also along River Road.
Yeah, they take >> railroad signs that said no parking and no littering and >> they're all one left spray paint on it. >> Yeah. You can't read it. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um you know and I know that you know it was in New York City when there was like the whole subway problem for years and
years and all the graffiti and it was awful and awful and then um you know then one of the mayors came in I think it was Bloomberg came in and he just washed the V you know would wash the subways every night. every night you could bring the subway car in and every night after two or three years nobody paints the subway cars anymore because
your tags aren't there anymore. So, I just think that it's like this consistent relationship with keeping a place clean. I've called neighbors on this. Like there's, you know, there have been a couple of neighbors I walk right up to and I'm like, "Your trash makes everyone else want to throw more trash,
you know?" So, >> and you know, he you know, it's not that's all I'm asking. That would that's why I'm here. I'm not. >> And I think we talked about this maybe getting the sheriff's department to get the prisoners out of here. >> They had the clap anymore up there or No,
>> there's like no one in there anymore. I mean, >> they don't hold anybody anymore. Police. >> Nobody goes to jail. >> No. >> What? >> Yeah. >> Nobody goes to jail. >> No, you go to jail, you you're out in 24 hours. >> I mean, the one thing >> they don't have clap program like >> that's scary. It's
the uh I know we you know >> it's that's exactly what it is, John. It's bail reform. And >> don't take anybody that needs community service even like ours, >> they don't do that anymore either. >> Nope. >> But even if you did that, the people who are doing throwing the trash are not
being held accountable. >> No, I know what you're saying. You're not fixing the problem. >> You're not fixing the problem. You're just putting more people out there to pick up their trash. >> I understand where you're coming from 100%. Um, what do we have to do to like get signs put back up again? I mean, not the signs are going to >> they just go right back up. I mean, the
road department can put >> they put it back up, right? Like we don't have >> But the other thing I was going to say, Chief, as we do have norance on the books that the railroad has given us uh authority to enforce trespassing on their private property, their property. >> So, I one thing maybe that might work
because I'm assuming it's a lot of the overnight campers, they go onto that island, they trespass, right? go to that island, have their parties and the fisherman, >> half the garbage goes in the river and the rather ends up on our road when they're packing back out. >> If you see somebody over there, they had
to trespass across the railroad tracks. Maybe if you alert the chief, >> we just call something. >> Yeah, we'll we'll catch them we'll catch him coming back out and issue summones. >> It's like to bother you for that's why we did that.
>> Many people do not like to talk to the police. They're just shy, you know. >> We're not We're not shy. We just don't want to bother with police. >> Well, but that's going to be your only >> No, but that that see the whole reason we did that was because that's a tangible like if you see them. I mean, it's very obvious when they're camping there. I've seen them there.
>> Yeah. >> You alert the police, they can keep an eye on it and hopefully, >> you know, when you guys go catch them coming back across. And my point is it's not so much trespass summons, but we can make sure they don't leave the trash there. >> Right. But if there's also >> I mean give them the summons too but
>> right but but if there is a warning and say hey record someone who's parked there and who does leave tracks behind there's a summon that could be issued if there's no >> right but the police are going to have to come out to issue the summons. You're going to have to get the police out there one way or another.
>> Well when someone parks illegally, don't you just give them a parking ticket, you know by their >> Yeah, but they're going to have to come out and issue the summons on site, right? They're going to have to see it. >> It has to be on site. It it can't be done remotely like >> No. No. There's no cameras. >> We don't want cameras down there. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. Cameras
there. Wouldn't that be fun? >> I mean, I'll help look at I'll make we can have like a, you know, citizen committee that reviews the cameras on a regular basis. I'm serious. >> We could write as well. >> I don't want to I don't want >> I don't want to have to pick.
We could do a parking >> cameras already more patrol or no overnight parking. >> Yeah, but didn't I thought that wasn't that with the fishing per the ordinance reads no overnight parking
from this section to that section on River Road and every car can be >> still in effect. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, what about parking at all? I mean, what is the >> It's only at night is the ordinance right now. >> So, you can't park at night. You can't park from sun sunset to sun.
>> I forget the exact hours. Like, I don't know if it specifies hours or if it specifies sunset to sun. >> So, people can park all along that road anywhere or >> during the day. Yes. >> During the day. Anywhere. It's legal for people to do that. >> Correct. Yeah. The only thing that we have uh that the town has is for
overnight parking. You need a permit in order to to do that. And we haven't issued a permit in probably >> five six years. >> Like even when the fishermen come in, we refuse to do it because we just got >> But they're fishermen. I mean, >> yeah. But we got But the problem is if you start allowing
>> one car to park, right? Then all of a sudden people we had an influx of people from the city that would come in and they would have 30 people down there, you know, that's their picnic area for the night. >> It it when you allow one, it it just allows all. Yeah,
>> you know, we're dealing with it on >> ravine right now. >> It's the same thing. >> I mean, I'm not thrilled with the fisherman. I just went down and picked up a whole bunch of trash from the beach in front of our house. And it was like, you know, the the old worm containers and the and the fishing line and hooks
and I mean, I do this a few times a year. >> The only thing we stopped was the issuing of the permits. >> That's all we get. >> So, you don't do permits for You just don't issue them at all? >> Not anymore. >> Okay. Haven't in like you said five, six years. >> Yeah. I used to tell everybody, "Sorry, it's frozen." Sorry. Yeah.
>> Yeah. We froze the ordinance. >> Well, that's I mean I I Yeah, I know this is a hard thing, but I just wanted to say it's >> You can't really You can't put trash receptacles down there. That'll just accelerate. Yeah, that'll just >> That's accelerate it. We tried that. >> We can definitely um I can put something
out and we'll keep an eye on it for you. >> Okay. >> And call if you see campers on the island there. So that that's a tricky because again they that's private property between the road and the river that's private property kayak or new to the island. >> So catch them coming back up the other
side coming back to the car. So, it would be good for to let dispatch know that when someone calls in about cars on River Road that they're not going through 35 questions about the person answering the phone because I've
had some people that have called in and they've been frustrated like I just want to >> Yeah. You just want to call in a complaint. >> Yeah. And then they just get this. >> Unfortunately, that's when you call that non-emergency number though, they're going to ask you those questions. I
mean, that's just >> Could they have some sort of handout ahead of time? Like, if you're getting a call from this section of River Road, just like take it and let us know. >> I can talk to them. I can talk to dispatch and see what options we have.
But, like I said, unfortunately, going through them, they have their protocols that they have to follow. So, >> but I can ask. >> Thank you. >> Doesn't doesn't hurt to explain it to people that are shy. >> Yep. I got you. >> Right. all the us shy people.
>> Yeah, I can definitely look into it for you. >> All right, not a problem. >> Thank you guys just for listening. I appreciate it. >> Thank you for coming. >> Sorry to make you wait so long. >> Oh, it's all right. I understand. I used to do this all the time down in Frenchtown. It's been a long time since I've been at
any council meeting. So, don't envy you guys. See you. >> Take care. Have a good night. >> All right, moving on to attorney's report. Kevin, >> fairly quiet. Um, >> do we pay the bills?
>> Well, we can go back. Did you look at your list? >> I did, and John did, too. >> All right. So, let's go back and approval to pay the uh bills. >> I make the motion. >> Second. >> Okay. Granny, >> yes. >> Daddy, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> All right. Now, let's go back. Attorney's report. >> Not a lot. Uh Scott, Scott and our tax collector, we're having a ongoing issue with uh getting a bill paid from the uh hotel across the way. So >> what hotel, please?
>> What is that, Scott? The only one. American's Best Value. >> Greenwood Hojo. >> Yeah, it's in Greenwood, but I would hear about that. >> Well, because they're not paying their sewer bill. They're connected to our sewer. So sorry. Unfortunately, because
you're in Greenwood, we can't just strike it off as a lean. So, I'll work uh I'll work with Scott and our tax collector. >> How far in the rears are they? >> I think it goes back to 2004, doesn't it? >> No. So, >> 2004. >> No, no, no, no, no. So, the issue the
issue was >> Yeah. is that Aqua was reversing. They they were basically giving us the the readings for the hotel, but they were actually IHOPS
and vice versa. Well, we were billing and we were billing the opposite because Aqua gave us the wrong information. >> I think Krie did tell me. So we we collected all the right funds for um both sides
>> just from the wrong entity. >> Just from the wrong entity. So we are whole on that part except for a $9600 bill because they started litigation the two two parties started litigation with each other over this cuz they wanted they originally were asking us to reimburse the money and then they'll pay
back and we said no we collected the right money. You guys deal with it through litigation and you figure out who owes what. We're we're we're we collected the correct amount. >> So, we're whole just from the wrong >> except for there's a $9,600 interest
that because of a late thing and that it acrewed, but otherwise from then on there's they're they're up to date. It's only that remaining 9600 that's outstanding total. >> Yeah. Outstanding for whom?
>> For the hotel. >> Hotel, >> but we already collected. So, I don't understand. >> We We didn't collect this part, which was $9,600 that's missing. That was not paid. >> Mhm. >> Everything else is paid and is paid up
to date today, too. It's just there's still $9,600 that's missing from last year. >> Okay. Got it. >> So, in any event, most of the time when we have these types of issues, it's very simple. strike it off as a lean, but because it's in Greenwich Township, we can't do that. So, uh, Carrie just asked today if we can do a letter. I think we
were we were holding off on interest on that amount, but I think >> she waved a lot of it, >> right? >> But then after a certain point, she said, "I'm done waving it because you guys should figure this out." And that's where the 9600 comes from. >> Okay. Yeah. >> So, we'll do a letter on that. And if uh >> a motion or anything, if we don't get
made whole, then we can I can ask you guys if you want to pursue the >> You're going to send a letter. Yeah. And um I did re I did uh re receive review and approve the um proposed deed restriction for the Larkin affordable units. Um I was actually just waiting I
think for Jim Kyle to to double double take a quick check. But once that's recorded again, we will have picked up those affordable units as part of our affordable housing plan. And uh as an aside, next year next year we'll see a pilot payment. So, um,
>> probably there. >> Hopefully the budget's going to start, uh, start improving in 2026 on. Um, other than that, Chief, Scott, I think it's been luckily knocked on board. It's been pretty quiet.
>> And you nothing from Mark about the >> I deny anything to the F. That's why I asked him. >> Yeah. Well, I just Well, I'll get to that in my report. So, I'll just >> The other thing I do do know is that um uh Ingramman did get their their
uh financing through that state program. So, uh >> what's what state program? >> Uh there's a state affordable housing funding program. And if you recall, they were having some issues and asked us for some support, but that's been resolved. They have their funding. So, I think I
expect to see that probably moving forward here soon. any word out of the people at the mall? >> We signed their TWWA. You know, we did the resolution for that. That was your last meeting. I wasn't here. I haven't heard anything about the start of uh the cubes for the mall.
The only thing I've heard is that they, you know, they they have the everything they need from us. They have everything they need from Milaccon in terms of redevelopment agreements. I think that's it. All right. Thank you, Kevin. Wanda, did Wayne distribute a engineers report?
>> Yes, he did. Um, >> Scott sent it out to everyone. >> Yeah, I have a breakdown if you want me to go over that. >> Yeah, you want to do that. >> The important stuff. >> We'll skip or put it in yours. We can move to the administrator's report. >> Go ahead, Scott.
>> Uh, okay. We'll start with the courts. Uh, Pohakcon 131 new cases 136 disposed. 4,850 9 for the month. Uh, Green Witch 227 on new cases 189 disposed. 90 978641
to the deposit. Lat 180 new 109 on the disposed and 48.9548 to the deposit. Um, I didn't get anything from the fire department on monthly report. uh police department had,298 incidents,
76 radar, 43 motor vehicle accidents, 11 arrests, 181 traffic stops, and 52 summones issued for the month. Uh they had a successful national night out as well. Um which is always a great time every year. Uh the road department, they
did basically, you guys have the report, they did everything they always do with fixing the vehicles and all the daily maintenance. The big thing that they did for the month is a lot of milling and paving because we were able to give them uh like $50,000 this year that they haven't had before. So, they're able to
start doing an upkeep on some of the roadways that are needed. So, they've done some milling and paving projects uh on some necessary roads in the town. Um with the tax assessor, uh we had a little hiccup this past week. Um there
was a uh 200 ft list that had to go out to uh everyone in Shimemer Manor for the Shimemer project. Well, not not everyone, but within the 200 ft there. The list uh there was a mistake on the list, so seven or eight people did not get notified. Um, I worked with uh um
Cliff yesterday, the land use board attorney, and it sounds like the both sides are in agreement to push it from the August 25th meeting to September's 9th meeting instead so that we can get the correct 200 foot list out. Um,
unfortunately though, due to our mistake, we will um be paying that bill instead of taking it from the escrow account, which is probably going to be Wanda, what do you think? like 500 at the most. >> Yeah. >> Right. Um we're going to work >> certified almost 10 bucks now,
>> right? We're going to work with uh um their attorney's office to do everything and then they'll just bill us and we'll pay the bill back to the attorney. But so it seems like everything's, you know, look, that's a controversial, you know, development there. So we needed to uh
you know, make sure that everybody knew we made a mistake. Um you know, I didn't want anybody to think we were hiding anything. So, um the the new 200 foot list will be sent out um within the 10day frame for the September 9th meeting. Uh nothing from tax and sewer
except for the the new bills went out with the system. I know Carrie does have some frustrations with the system. Has nothing to do with her calculations. It's just Edmonds is doesn't work the way that she thought it was, but it's not a huge hiccup. It's just getting
used to. Um with finance, we had to finish the corrective action plan uh based off the auditor's report. Um we were down to four this year. Um recommendations that we were like they say violations and
that's the lowest it's been in a long time. Um and said we'll never get rid of probably the first two just because we're a small township. Um but the goal is next year to only have those and that's it. uh the engineers uh so sewer capacity
the INI proposal submitted for review uh first the uh the first alpha warehouse project has been submitted uh an application uh for their sewer flows and a connection fee of about 53,000 will be assessed which includes a connection fees and their assessed uh prorated
share of the sewer lining project uh river road was completed with some concerns uh the concerns were it was raised too high Um, so the engineer uh uh and Jeff have reached out to um the
railroad to ask that uh stone be put in um in those areas where there's still uh potential issues for accidents. We're just waiting to hear back from the railroad. I already talked to Jeff though. Um he said it would cost about
anywhere from $2 to $400 for the stone. Um, at this point, if the railroad takes too long, um, we will just take the 2 to 400 and get the stone and put it in so that we can eliminate some of the safety concerns. >> Well, we can get that stone from the
quarry. He's really much helpful. Bill Godfrey. >> Yeah. So, I'm just saying two to four unless he's generous on the donation. Um, so, but otherwise, if it is chargeable, we we have the funding to do it. >> It's extremely bad down there. And I
sent that letter out to everybody. I heard back from no one. And it's extremely dangerous down there. And >> well, I thought I was under the impression that Wayne and Jeff talked to you cuz the way they talked to me, that's the assumption that I got. Yeah. >> Not one person got back to me at all.
>> I apologize. I should have been. I thought they the way when I talked to them, it was the way they were explaining it was that they already talked to you. >> No. >> So So when I talked to them, they agree with you because we they read your email. They completely agree with you. And the biggest thing is is that the
only thing we can do is put the larger stone in there to so that it raises up so that if a car does go over it, there's some kind of, you know, footing for it instead of that drop off. >> They're going to put like the Gabon. >> Yeah. He said that he said >> I talked to Jeff about it. >> Yeah.
>> After your email, I talked to Jeff and he said he was going to take care of it. >> Yep. >> So >> meanwhile >> Yeah. Sorry about that. We >> nothing has happened down there pavement chipping off the steep edge. Have you been down there on your bicycle? Have you seen how dangerous it
is? What kind of life? Which is why I copied you. >> That's engineering. You got under control here. >> Well, it's about it and he said, "Yeah, we're going to take care of it." >> So, >> yeah. So if we don't likes a timeline
like yeah we'll take care of it. >> So if we don't hear back from the engineer prior to next week or not the engineer but from the railroad by the end of next week we'll do it. >> Uh we there because it's not going to cost a lot and if not and if anything it'll be donated. >> It will cost nothing. If we talk to Bill
God will this township and I my understanding from Jeff before all this was that oh we need to get the right size rocks. When I talked to him, we he already knew what we needed and he said he could get it at the quarry. That's what he told me. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Mhm.
>> I just like a timeline. I'd like to get done >> by the end of next week. We'll put it on the uh road department. >> I can I can touch base with him again tomorrow, too. >> Yep. >> Just to make sure. >> All right. >> Yeah, we'll take care of it. >> Uh the Alpha warehouse, it still remains the same. The discharge, there's no
change. Wayne says he continues to talk to the burough engineer. Um but they there's no nothing's come back as they're going to do anything different yet. Um the Shimemer school uh the land it was scheduled for land use uh August 25th. That's now changed uh September
9th from what I understand, but the application has been deemed complete and is under technical review at this time with with uh Wayne. Uh EI Hampton Ridge was actually approved at the last land use board meeting to move forward. >> Um >> where was that one at? That was the
That's the one that butts up against the one in Delaware Heights. Okay. >> Uh in Flesburg that's down on their end, >> the back side of uh Yeah, >> that's 276 units, I think. I read >> about that. Yeah. >> Mhm. Um so,
well, for me, um we didn't have a department head meeting this month only because there was too many people away, so I just figured we wouldn't have it. But I have been in communication with everybody on any of their needs. Um, we uh I've been continuing with the sports
fields. We've been getting a lot of a lot going on there. Um, we're still waiting on the water supply lines in JCPML to finalize stuff for us to put the electric in. The concession stand was the contracts were finalized. We're waiting on uh the final prices for the uh announcers booth in the pavilion. Um,
we're still waiting on the finalization for the pricing for the Finesville dog park, which I I I don't know why it's taking so long for this fence company, but >> yeah, I would love to have a timeline for that. I got a call last week from somebody saying, "Look, I heard we're getting this dog park. When are we getting it?" So,
>> so we were also waiting for some additional funding, which just came through. Um, so right now, um, as long as the mayor and council are okay with it, we have, uh, the one, uh, we have like $73,000 to finish the project down there. So, I think that'll be sufficient
enough to do the whole thing. >> Yeah. And when's that going to happen? >> Um, as soon as I can get prices, I before winter, I'll have stuff moving. So, >> how about by September? >> S I would I I'm finding out that it's not that easy. Like, I I just >> Welcome to council.
>> Yeah. Contractors don't call people back. >> Yeah, they just unbelievable. You got to your home. You try to get stuff done. They won't call you back. >> It took me 2 months to get a price for the DPW fence. >> What What kind of fence do you need, Jude? >> Fencing. >> What What does the fencing consist of? They're just >> Oh, it's just a 6ft high fence that we
just need. >> I I have an incredible fence guide. >> But the problem is it's going to be over 175. So, we have to go by state and their state contract that they give us the pricing. That's who I'm waiting for to respond. Okay. Now, they did respond eventually for the >> Is there any kind of spec or somebody
just has to come measure? >> Yeah, it's just measurement. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of like that is business registration. >> They're not states. Yeah, that's the problem. >> Oh, so you have to bid it otherwise. But yeah. >> So, so no date for dog park at all. No
hopeful date that I can tell somebody that wants to take their dog down there like, "Hey, November, like Thanksgiving." I I >> I would hope by then Can I get a better definitive answer for you next month? Because >> please. I >> I I'm trying now, but it they just
haven't cooperated. Yeah. >> Like, so I don't know if it's because it's summer, too. Like, you know what I mean? I I I'm not making excuses, but I just don't I I I just I usually have an answer for you. I just don't. >> While we're on the on the on the subject of parks, anybody knows status of
Evangeli? It looks like the pickle ball courts are done. >> Yes. >> But the basketball court, I haven't been by that. Have they they pressure washed it? Did they resurface it? Anybody? >> I did not. I don't I did not see that's resurfaced. So, I will follow up with the uh uh what's his name? Joe. No.
>> Uh I forget. I >> That's not Adam. That's not >> That's Adam. Yeah. Adams. Adam. >> Adam was this. >> Yep. Yeah. So, I'll follow up with that. But, uh it'd be nice if we could do like a regrand opening >> dedication or something. >> Dedication or something. Um, so let uh
maybe we could figure like after the September meeting we could do that down there unless it comes up prior if that's okay with everyone. >> What what needs to be done there, Chief? >> The basketball court. They were going to resurface it either code it or something. That was the last thing.
>> I thought he taped it off and painted it >> to be honest with you. >> I I I didn't >> He was over at DPW like two, three weeks ago. >> Okay, Adam. >> Yeah, I think he I think he taped it off and painted it. I think >> cuz he was also uh talking about the
waiting for cuz they we were getting some rain for the pickle ball court, >> right? >> And he was like, I'm going to wait till next week. >> But he blew it all off. And the problem is you got to blow it off every day cuz there's so many leaves. >> Yeah. Well, the one day I watched him pressure wash it. The next day there was
two little grills out there with sidewalk chalk crawling all over it. >> Of course. >> So >> I thought he did the basketball court. >> Okay. >> I think he taped it and painted it. I know. Well, like I said, I was by there I think two weeks ago and the pickle ball courts were done. It looked like
there was nets up at all. >> Yeah. >> But I the basketball court wasn't but >> Yeah. >> And you you said you talked to the woman on the grant money that was crying about a status report. >> Yes, they were all done. >> Mhm. Yeah. For all of our park grants, they're all done.
>> Okay. Okay, I I I submitted them the day I got back from vacation and then uh they're done and our so we're up to date completely for parks and recck grants. There was I got an email I have to go back and find it on new wreck money and
there was also uh Senator Booker sent me a four or five different grant opportunities on the federal side. I'll sort through them and see if there's anything we could use. They all had deadlines though, like in September, which is terrible to try to
get stuff together that quick. But if there's any opportunities here, I'll I'll see. >> Did we talk about the soil dumping during the meeting or is that before the meeting? >> We talked before, but we could talk now about >> Yeah, I I'd like to get that on record. What's going on there on site?
>> So, we have three locations in town where there's been dumping complaints for uh soil uh and contaminated soil. Um, >> where was the third bunch? >> It was in Shimer. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. I got a report from Andrew. There was one in Shimer that there was some
kind of dumping >> whereabouts. >> I I have to go back and report and look >> because I didn't get any reports about Shimemer Manor. >> Yeah. But we have uh >> But I know the other Still Valley. >> Yeah. Still Valley. And then overall for Snider Sners. And then there was a third that I saw in Andrew's emails when he
sends me them. Um, so I talked to Andrew on Thursday and I asked him what the procedure is for the township on this. He states that he goes out, he looks at it, he says if it's obvious, which all of these are obvious that he believes they're
contaminated soil. So he will do a notification of violation, which is not a violation. And it's just notifying them that hey, you're in you're a potential violation of this. If you do this and comply, then there will be no
summons issue. Well, the none of the people are complying. They are not giving any information. So, Andrew says when that happens, he notifies D and then he notifies the soil preservation for the county.
DP he has he has told me that D when they do when they get their notification they will call him and they will basically ask well what are you guys doing about it like they don't want anything to do with it or they have they're busy or do whatever they do with
it but it he doesn't appear to get any cooperation with them on wanting them to have any interest in our contaminated soil dumping. Um I've asked him to follow up with that. I asked him to get me some emails or something and proof from them as to why. Then we have some
concrete that we can go back and say, "Well, wait a second. Why won't you get involved?" But I I don't have anything. All they ever do is make a phone call to him and then they ask him what's going on with it. >> So I asked him that. He's going to follow up. The problem is he's not until next Thursday. So I can't get an answer
from him until then. It's it's the only day he works in cohab. Um we're moving forward we're we're you know we would like to try to get something from them because Andrew has limited availability to do anything besides a summon. Um you
know he can't he doesn't test the soil. He just looks at it and our ordinance reads that if it's this this or this or it looks contaminated you can give a violation for this. But we don't have testing kits. We don't have anything like that. Like he just has the basics.
So, we do need an outside source if that's the case and they're contaminated soil to assist us. The other part that he says is that every time he goes to these properties, they give him a hard time for oh, get off my property or
trespassing just to try to I mean, he has the right to go on the property, but he just said it's so time consuming and only having one day a week. I'd have to just concentrate on those and that's it. when, you know, he has, you know, all
the permits that come in, then he's got the inspections for all the other complaints that are coming in throughout the town. And honestly, I don't think I've ever seen this many complaints coming in. But people are complaining about a lot now. And every month when I get his report, there's more and more
every month on complaints about I mean, we I have to bring up something else to you guys about an appeal uh on one of his cases, but I'll bring that up next. Um, so honestly I don't know what the answer is. We're going to have to follow up with D and see what they say.
>> Do you feel he needs more hours here? >> Yes, but I don't know if he can give it to us because he just took a job in Washington Township >> that uh that he has hours there. I mean ultimately yes. We we should have somebody at minimum two days a week here.
>> Tuesday, Thursday. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it it one day a week is not getting it. We're it we're not thorough enough in any of these investigations with a person here one day a week and that's it. That's just my opinion.
>> Uh if you reach out to me Scott tomorrow, I'll try to Blairestown had a a major soil contamination issue on a residential property and they've actually had quite a bit of success. Okay. >> Um and in getting the D involved and everything and so they they have a good
connection there >> that I think that's I think we need you helping him out, >> huh? That's what I'm saying. But so I I might be able to get somebody to get get you attention if you shoot me an email tomorrow. I I'll in fact the the guy who was spearheading that for Blairtown is now on their committee.
>> Okay. >> So um maybe I maybe I can get somebody to pay attention. >> Anything will help right now. >> That is that is within their jurisdiction and and like you said, they're the ones with the ability to actually test it. That's what they had to do in Blairestown. some of those soil samples, you know,
depending on how much soil they've been on, you might have to go down bore down several feet. We don't we don't have the ability to do that. So, >> we don't have any testing kit. We don't have any any equipment to test anything. >> Um, so I I can probably help with some
guidance on that also. >> Okay. >> I'll reach out to you tomorrow. >> Yeah, that'd be great. Okay, that'd be great. Um, should we reach out to Andy to see, not say it's going to happen, but won't avail they'll be viewed if he went Tuesday, Thursday? >> Yeah, I'll talk to him Thursday. Mhm. Yep.
>> Um, the other one is is there's a it's uh the resident's name is Brian Birdie. It's in Shimemer Manor. It's uh there's a large tree in the backyard that was complained about that appear Andrew says it's dead. I went by
and looked at it. it has no growth, the trunk is split, >> but the residents say that it's not uh dead and that so he gave him a notice of uh violation,
but he said, "Look, if you have a tree company, give me proof that says it's not dead and it's a viable tree that you're not in violation of the ordinance." Well, all he does is verbally tell us that he has a tree company that says yes, it's it's a
viable trade. He won't provide anything in writing or proof at all. >> So, >> this is like right behind the Shymer school. >> Yes. Right behind the Shymer school. >> Yeah. I look I looked at that two or three years ago. >> Yeah. So, Andrew now violated them. Well, under the ordinance, it says that
he has the right to appeal. Um, I don't think that's what it means that he he so he wrote a letter to mayor and councel appealing the violation. It is my opinion after reading the ordinance that we should let this go to court first.
If the court deems that it's not guilty or however it come whatever the outcome is, then at that point mayor and council should look at the potential for the appeal. But I don't think that we should be looking at the appeal until it actually goes through the court system. >> No, it's got to get adjudicated and then
then he can appeal it. If you don't like what the judge has to say or whatever, then >> Right. I agree. >> Okay. So, as long as you guys are okay with that, we will we will write something to Mr. Birdie uh just explaining that, you know, he has to go through the court process first.
When I looked at it, the tree was alive yet. There was leaves like it was grown, but it was split. Yeah. >> And he had the tree held together with cables, so it couldn't split anymore. >> And it's still held it. But now there's no growth on it from what Andrew says. >> It hasn't there hasn't been any growth at all.
>> Right. So it's it's a hazard. But >> it's on private property, but the guy next to him was afraid it was going to fall on his house. >> And then that's the complaint. So we have to now go look at it. And under ordinance, it it looks like a dead tree, which means you you have to, you know,
remove either depending on the details of the tree. I mean, either of those parties could potentially wind up at risk of having their insurance canled. >> Mhm. >> Correct. Right. >> Right. So >> maybe that's the avenue somebody needs to enlighten this guy to that, >> you know, if your homeowners comes out
or if you put a claim in and they knew it was dead, >> you know, they're not going to pay, >> right? So, if you guys are okay with that, I don't think that we should hear the appeal in front of you guys yet. Um, I think it should go to court. And >> I don't know if I ever supposed to come here to be honest with you, Scott. I
I'll just made a note. >> Yeah. When I read the ordinance, there is a section that talks about an appeal to mayor and counsel, >> but it doesn't specify when or what or how, right, Wanda? That That's the way I read it. It's very vague >> and we've never had anybody. That's
right. Can we do that ordinance from the future that has to go through? >> I'm going to check the ordinance. I don't think statutoily there's any any basis for that. There there there definitely there are appeals potentially could come here from or or to the board of adjustment for certain zoning issues,
but not not a property maintenance. >> That's what this is. It's a >> property, right? Right. So, I'll check that. It's definitely not coming here as far as I'm concerned and if necessary for our next meeting I'll I'll I'll do an ordinance man and yank that out. >> Okay.
>> Yep. >> Okay. >> Uh the only other thing that I had was I believe we have to there was a there was a complaint um about the uh police department with
collecting firearms uh application fees. >> Oh, that's right. We talked about this, >> right? So the back in 2013, the mayor and council agreed in a resolution only, not an ordinance or anything. It was
just a resolution to wave fees for firearms ID card and purchasers permits. Um since everything has been uh back when everything changed for the carry permits, we've been collecting all
the fees. Um it the fees that are being talked about is $10 and that's it per per thing. Mhm. >> Um, so my question is is does mayor and council want to continue with what the 2013
resolution says or should we be collecting some revenue in the town instead of waving it where nobody surrounding us waves it, everybody collects it. You know, it it's >> I think we should collect it just like we collect dog license, >> right? Because if you do this then what
are we doing? We're going to wave dog licensing. Yeah. >> We're going to wave everything. >> Yeah. Like >> what do we need, Kevin? Resol. >> Well, the resolution isn't isn't like you said, they're only good really for the year they're they're adopted. It's not like an ordinance. It's a continuing effect. So, >> okay.
>> But our consensus is that we're not going to any longer honor that resolution. We don't have to do a new one. It's just keep charging the fig. >> Okay. I just I needed to bring it up because there was a complaint about it. >> All right. >> But I I agree. You don't want to set a press and start start waving all these fees. >> Does that have to go to the state
anyway, Scott? Is that true? >> This is just the township fee. Yeah, the state has their mandatory fees that we have to collect. We can't wave period. >> So, in our do we have a fee set up in our >> $10 ordinance somewhere? >> Yes. >> Oh, then the ordinance controls done. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> And how about that house over by the playground in Huntington? >> Yep. So, it's still on the notice of like we gave the 30-day notice and now uh we have to find somebody to clean it. >> So, the 30 days are up. So they if not
up they should be very shortly. I'd have to >> what is the procedure for cleaning it finding somebody to clean it? Who pays for that? What happens? >> Well you there's a lean like we would we would pay for it like if we had to hire an outside company we would get the bill and then we would put a lean on the
property like we right Kevin that you put a lean on the property for the cost total cost manpower everything that it cost us to do >> and then we have to clean it up. >> Okay. So who's managing that? Who's going to take the first step towards cleaning up that property? >> I guess that's going to be me.
>> And I'd love to know your timeline. >> Have you seen that? >> I have. I drove past. >> Where am I getting the bus? Where am I going to >> Is it a knock a knockdown or no? >> No. That has a great foundation. >> The house is
>> It needs a new roof, but the foundation in the house owns it. the the the wood rings they owned it but they all passed away >> so there was a woodruff not paying there is no taxes it's been up for sheriff or tax sale twice
>> so but now we have to wait after the second one what it's two years statutoily >> after that >> until whoever bought it can >> foreclose on it >> oh so there was a third party purchaser so they're paying the taxes so the taxes are current
>> I'll double check happen to maintain their lean. That's what they have to do. >> Um, you know, the only thing I'll mention on that, >> um, >> that can get very expensive. I mean, you could have seven or $8,000 bids for that or more. I don't know. >> Cleanups are expensive.
>> First, the first thing that you see when you pull into this house >> is there is a fullsize school bus >> in the Probably full of too. >> Yeah. So, in order and then there's there's two other old junk vehicles in the other side of the yard behind the
fence. And there's all kinds of metal scrap and everything throughout. So, in before you could even go in and start trimming, you'd have to remove all the junk first. >> Okay. So, 1800 got >> How does that work though? Because the
the guys that got the lean holder technically own the own the contest, too. No, no, they won't anything yet till they foreclose. But my >> we couldn't do nothing until >> I would >> I I would uh It's sitting abandoned, correct?
>> Here's what I would suggest before you guys go down the road on what sounds like could be several thousand dollar worth of cost. >> It's going to be about 10 to 15. >> You can expedite the the I'm surprised they haven't asked us. There's a there was a recent I say recent like last
couple two three years amendment to the tax foreclosure process that allows a third party leanh holder to expedite that 2-year time frame if it's just sitting there abandoned. Okay. >> The first thing they need is a certification from us of abandonment which it sounds like we could do >> it.
>> So what I'm going to do is I'll reach out to Carrie find out who that lean holder is. As long as you guys don't have a problem with that, I'll say I'm gonna say, "Hey, hey, >> why why don't you ask us for the certificate of abandonment and start this foreclosure?" >> Wink wink. Yeah.
>> Um because I mean, like you said, even though it might be an expensive cleanup, sounds like there's value there. So, I'm I'm I'm sure they would want to do that. And usually these uh third party purchasers are fairly sophisticated. That's what I'm surprised. But why don't we do that first?
>> Let me Yeah, I'll double check and I'll get all the information. >> Yeah, give me to me, Scott. get a hold of them >> because they they can initiate the foreclosure immediately if we provide that certificate. Okay. And we and we that's been very effective in some you write this down but copy me on this
because I have some interested parties that live in the area and wonder what's going on with that. So >> yeah, when Scott sends it to you >> please keep me copied on this guys. I'd like to be able to let people know we are working on this. What's the What is the >> 1408 or 14 wood
>> 28 Chestnut Street? I think it's 1408 or 1428. >> Okay. Chestnut. >> Yeah, I think that's the best way to do that. Expedite their foreclosure. >> Thank you. >> So, good to have you here with legal. >> I had a deal. >> Yeah, once a week missed.
[Laughter] >> Just don't ask me for a date sister. Yeah. She >> I love crime. >> And she went to the took her name home and then there was two relatives a niece
and a nephew communicated with them and then they just beat. >> Uh anything else, Scott? No, we're good. >> John, you got anything for us tonight? >> Good. >> Ingred. >> Oh, yes. Uh we all got a letter from a
resident uh maybe last month or maybe a month and a half ago about the number of disappearing road signs in this township and this resident had cited a number of intersections and I just wondered what the followup on that was. >> I I thought last time that Jeff already
did the upper part of the town. >> Well, I reported on that. >> I see nothing in the manor. Yeah, this down in lower Pacong, Carterville, the wilds of >> Yeah, this guy. >> Yeah, this guy just went around town and
like street signs, right? Like street name signs. >> I mean, and so many signs are missing. >> I So, I talked to Jeff about that and he told me that he already did the upper part and then I asked him to get a whole list of signs that needed on the lower end. I'll follow up with him, but that
Yeah, I thought we brought that up. I thought that was brought up a meeting or two ago that that because Jeff had it in one of his reports for the DPW that uh street signs were replaced. Um the reported missing street signs were replaced, but it sounded like it was the upper part of the town.
>> Yeah. Well, >> this guy quoted the lower end. >> Oh, he sure did. >> All right. The one the one on my street was was missing for a while. I didn't think much of it because it was a college kids that lived there for the summer. I thought it was open to college kids. I'm like, who would want a street sign that says
I don't know. A lot of things I don't understand, so I didn't I didn't copy that, but it was missing. >> All right. Yeah, I'll follow up with Jeff. Uh, but yeah, I I know he reported it in his one DPW report, but I I'll get some clarification. >> All right. And as our resident pointed out earlier, these no littering signs
and don't cross the railroad track signs are missing from River Road. So, whatever we can follow up on that would be nice. >> Just to bring up about the street signs and stuff. Um, I talked to Jeff about getting signs put up on Ravine Road for
the local ordinance for the noise. So, that's in the works. >> Okay. >> Just wanted to let you know. >> I appreciate it. The last two weekends, it's been fairly quiet. Okay. >> All right. Next. I forwarded you the resident. I think we all got a letter
from a resident that not the same resident but who lives down where 519 and Bloomsbury War Glenn Road intersect about his concern about accidents. And I said, "Well, I'm going to forward you." You know, >> you're talking about
>> and I said that it had been on the radar when Scott was chief. You had gone to some township county meetings. I guess >> we discussed it. >> Yeah. So, what is the update on that? I mean, they did put the arrows up. They painted the road. >> Painted the road and stuff.
>> Yeah. But >> in order to get some sort of like uh like signage like as far as like a stoplight that you were suggesting or somebody suggested >> reflectors like those strobe reflectors as you. >> The problem is the countyy's going to
have to do a survey. It's county road. >> So I mean we could preach to the choir forever. It's just a matter of whether they're going to do it or not. >> So, >> they have to do a study. >> What do we need to do? Who do we need to reach out to? >> Well, that would be your county.
>> Well, either your county engineer or Jim Kern or one of your other uh >> cuz I don't know if it was you, Ingred, or somebody had mentioned about putting the flashing red light on 639. >> I didn't mention that, but that's a wonderful idea. like stop ahead,
>> but I it's it's got to go to >> Do you get many people that run that stop sign? >> No. >> I mean, I've lived there my whole life and I can't say >> Nope. >> Most of the time it's people trying to turn left into oncoming traffic, don't
see somebody coming >> coming. Correct. >> And that's when the accidents happen >> or somebody's coming down too fast into the curb. >> Right. Right. >> And they go they drift into the other lane. But as far as the stop sign goes, no. >> Is there any any center line reflectors
on the road? >> Nope. >> I don't believe so. >> I would I would try to see if they would do center line, you know, those ones stick up. >> Yeah. >> Either that or or even I know where the hell did they have that paint? Somewhere
they got reflective paint even for the center line. But something that that people could see, you know, the curve. I I don't know. And I can't say it's local. >> People are complaining that live up on Mountain Road >> and uh
uh Mountain Road and um uh >> cemetery >> cemetery road. They're complaining at that. They're coming up 519 and people aren't stopping at 639 like you just mentioned. But I don't I don't have any complaints about that. I mean, I can see guys rolling through there, but
blatantly not stopping. >> They Yeah, that's the complaint is that they're just blowing through 639, but >> to get on 519. >> Yeah. To get on to go 627 south. >> Yeah. >> I mean, listen, if you're going up there, no car to left with no one people
or do the California stop. I mean, >> but blatantly just driving like Yeah. I don't >> No, >> I mean that you could set a guy there in a car and write tickets all day long if that's the case. these five hours and nobody's going to do it, >> right? >> So, >> so if I was to write back to this
resident and say, "Hey, we brought it up at council and this is what we are going to do." >> Well, I mean, you could tell them the countyy's already taken some measures to try to >> highlight it. >> Yeah, we did. >> And you know, other than that, >> it's up to the county
jurisdiction. >> They'd have to do, like I said, they'd have to do a traffic study in order to >> do something. I mean, I I can try to reach out. I don't know if >> I just don't want people to write to us and think we don't care and we don't respond. >> Oh, we can care about what we can control, but that's that's a county road
and that's what I tell people like we'll see what we can do, but like that's the county. Like that's a whole another entity. >> Yeah, but this was also part of that safe Warren County thing you were involved with. >> Yeah. You want to know what that ended up being? >> Please tell me. So, I went there twice
and it was a group of people that I found out got a grant, not from the county, but they were trying to help the county. And it ended up being that they needed to fulfill their requirements, which were when I
went the last time, it was go to the county fair and set up a booth. >> Goodness. and ask residents what their street problems are within the county. That Yeah, it I thought when I went there that it was going to be we were
going to bring dangerous intersections up. >> Exactly. >> And there was going to be No, it ended up not being that. >> Oh my god. We're up for >> Yeah. >> And it really wasn't like the county like had the meetings, but it wasn't it wasn't them. They it was there was a
group that obviously was getting money for something and they were going to basically put statistics together and then supposedly down the road they would figure out some maybe if there's money for se but then I never heard another thing about it >> and I don't know where it went from
there but that that's after the second meeting I really honestly stopped going because I didn't feel it was anything worthy. Now, maybe the residents that are complaining to us at this point, we should be referring them to the county and saying, "Please make your complaints
to them as well instead of just emailing us and then if we call at least then they're hearing from other people, too." >> I like them and I think I will have meetings once a month. >> I think I will respond to that resident and say, "We talked about it and this is where you need to go."
>> Advise him to go to the county on that one, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. So, moving along. Um, Emily Hammer, who is the public works director for Warren County, I invited her to come to this meeting tonight to give us an update. As a council person, I asked her
to come regarding the reconstruction of Snider's Road because it's going to be very impactful when they do come up with their plans. However, they don't have any final plans yet. >> Nope. >> No. And >> well, there's the issue down by your
house which >> well that's I I I mean that's just >> but that that I think has to >> when I think about the the quarry and the detours the amount of trucks that we have going up >> but my as far as the plan you had brought that to our attention I I
followed up with the county. >> Yeah. And uh our demission Alex Zorzac was a bit upset that because the engineer who designed the project never really included it down there where all the water really goes. >> Yeah. >> So they went out, they took some
pictures, they agreed with >> Ingred that that obviously has to be channeled all the way to the river. >> So last I heard they had to get updated survey work. >> They've been doing that. Um and then they have to go back to get that part of
the work included in the FEMA grant >> and then I assume the plan will be prepared. So >> yeah, >> you're looking over. >> Yeah, there's there's that's that's created a delay, >> but I think at the end of the day that project doesn't work without that. So I
I would say next year. >> Well, I was just letting you know I've been in touch with her because I think I mean I'm at the bottom of the list. I'm just thinking about that whole road and everyone else who's affected by that. >> Um, you all have been forwarded the health department report.
>> Yeah. So, um, just putting that on record, Wanda, I don't need to read the whole thing. That'll go in the minutes. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Um, the Solid Waste Advisory Commission that I'm on is meeting on the first Thursday in September, and I'll be glad
to bring my experiences with that meeting to you then. The scenic byway meeting is also coming up in the near future. So I have nothing immediate to report on that. I do want to report if you haven't noticed that Chris Cotti
hired somebody to cut into the bank of the Villa Malagra. >> I did see that. >> Yes. >> Yeah. So they can get their wide buses now there >> and and they took care of that. And uh the residents are happy now because the county also came and yep
>> and repaired the burm where they were getting um the uh stuff. The last thing I want to talk about is I'm very proud to have been a representative on the Warren County Municipal Conservancy and Charitable Trust Commission.
And I have a two-year term and then for the next two years it'll go to someone in Greenwish and then it'll come back to Pohakcom. But we had our meeting in August and then we went on a field trip on Saturday. There are six sites in
Warren County that have applied for grants. The commissioners give our committee a half a million dollars and as you know last year Shimemer got 117,000 of that. >> Yes, I was here for that. What was so impressive was these sites
are so supported by their local municipalities. Like the Alamucci Freight Station is this amazing historical freight station along a no longer existent railroad track that's going to be a really great spot along
the Viking Trail. up in hope. There's some Morabian buildings that are being restored and they've got this great strong entity behind them. Help our preservation efforts. Hope, but it's in
hope, you know, it's really cool. So, that was great to see. And then up in Washington, outside of Washington, they have this wonderful display, this museum display of um
the canal. It's this museum. And then they've got this blacksmith shop that they want funds for. And then you've got when you go on 519 and you go up the Hoffanata Farmstead, they're getting funds for their barn.
What distinguishes all of those is that they have a really strong support from their township, not some little community gathering of like we're the historical society, but
they have broad support across the council for preserving things. And what was very clear to me and and tragically is what's happened to Corana Farms. I made please five years ago when that property was coming up. I went to the
land use board and I said this is important. I gave them all that historic information and it was dropped. The ball was dropped and that property is sitting there rotting away. We can't even get a tarp on the building and we don't have the commitment
to preserve that really super important structure of this township that dates back to when it was settled to the 1700s. And it's breaking my heart and I just wanted to just put it out there. What can we do about this? What can we do to get a tarp on that to get the
property subdivided off? If the township had ownership of this, we could apply for state grants. you could apply for grants from the municipal conservy before this thing drops away much like the Egway building down in Philsburg and that wonderful little
stone building that was next to it. That's just we need to do something. It's important for our heritage, not just athletic fields. I'm thinking our history is important to us as well. I I think we're limited with GMANS right
now as to the time frame as to when they proceed with their project until they've moved forward. They don't want to subdivide it because they said the bank would look at it differently. >> The only thing I could suggest and I've asked about the park two or three times.
I keep getting yes, we'll address it. It doesn't happen. I've done dealt with Mark Beck on that. I I will follow up with him. But the only thing I can say, Scott, maybe is but you just mentioned, you know, the zoning officer is rather overwhelmed, but um I suppose that that deteriorating condition is probably a
property maintenance violation. We could maybe he could send a notice of violation and ask that a tarp be put on the roof and maybe that'll get their attention better. Or maybe you guys don't mind. I'll say, "Hey, that's the next step." When I email Mark, does that sound okay? >> Yeah, that sounds >> we do that. I mean, other than that, one
of our structures is protected by an ordinance. >> Yes, but we we can't it's private property. We can't apply for grants. We can't do anything to that. So, >> so I spoke with the uh uh GM uh Greek >> Mhm. >> Matt.
>> Matt. Um he called me because there was trespassers in the building. They broke into the fence. They're squatting in there. Um they their maintenance guy went to clean it and from what I the what was relayed to me
was that um these squatters basically ripped the uh um maintenance guy out and yelled at them for being at their house. Um Right. >> They Yes, >> correct. >> That that was a report but they weren't
there when we went. >> Right. So, there's now people cutting the fence and and um going into the property to stay there. I when I spoke with Matt about it, he said that they've looked into tarping it. The problem is
is that there's nothing to anchor it to and they it's not stable enough to get up without renting equipment, which when they originally said that they would tarp it, they thought it was going to be an easy >> Hey,
>> extension ladders and such, but they they're going to have to rent >> like a not a cherry picker, but >> they would have to do one on each side. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then they would have to also be able to secure it. And he said, "Right now, they can't even put wood up
on top to cuz it's so unstable." >> Not to cut you off, but when we went there, I wouldn't even let the guys go in because there's trees on the >> on the roof. Like >> I'm like, "No, we're not going inside of this house." Like, no. >> And we'll yell, we'll scream, we'll do
whatever, but no, we're not going inside. Steve Babinsky had said it was a lost cause some years ago and he's an historical guy. But >> Mike, he said that thing could be saved and it just needed to be protected. >> Death was always negative about that
property. Not Mike. Mike has resurrected so many amazing things in this county. Depends on who you talk to. >> Yes. I don't and the impression that I got was that they did not want to spend
the money that it was going to have to cost to put that tarp up because to them it wasn't worth it. >> How much you off and give it to >> Did they give any Did you give any indication, Scott, what when they might uh perfect their application and get a permit? >> Yeah, they he told me they're very close
that like no time frame, but he said like they settled everything with Walmart and everything else >> that I know. Yeah. And they're they're they're ready to go. It's the the what I've said before in this issue, they they as far as donating to us, that's
certainly feasible. But the problem is if they were theoretically could donate that piece of property to us before they draw a permit, now their F calculations are wrong >> and there's no way they're going to do that and have to potentially come back to a board or something like that, especially when there's already been
injectors. So, but as soon as they draw a permit, they're under construction that now they've perfected their approval basically at that point and they they could carve off a little piece, which I I think they're willing to do. What what we're going to be left with when we get it, I don't know if it's that bad, we may not want it at
that point, but um it's >> this property is so extremely important to the history of this township. Mike Baralles has dealt with properties of similar nature and there are state
grants available for significant historical structures and when you look at the history of Gana Farms it's so important and this is one of the most one of the most important sites in Pakong Township when you think about
what the Gana Farm industry was and here it is the stone own house before any of that happened. Before, you know, we're going back to early 1700s when it was all just open land. I just
>> He did say uh uh Matt did say that, you know, depending on what what was happening. He did say that in the past with some of their properties that they've had historically that they've offered um like the historic
commissions if they weren't going to revitalize it to come in and gather things that they want to maybe utilize in other areas of the township or in other like he you know it's not that they weren't open to
suggestions. It's just that it sounds to me like financially as a developer they're not seeing the value in it to keep it. That's the way I got. That's what I got. >> I I I I can understand that. But if any
of you have ever driven past the Roseberry House in Goldsburg, >> right? >> Yeah. >> There it is. Just sits there. It was a mess. Mhm. >> But that house is so historic >> to the foundation of Goldsburg.
>> The White House on this Gana Farm is so important, but we just don't seem to all feel the same enthusiasm and appreciation for that stone farmhouse. And and I know I'm I'm just like a lone voice in a wilderness here, but I just wish we could get
>> It's not We just can't do anything about it. >> We need to find some way. >> I I don't private property, right? I don't think they I mean what can we I mean we can't go there >> well we have an ordinance it's protected under our ordinance as a very historic structure so somebody should be taking
care of it. They bought that property knowing that historic building was on that site. >> But do we have my question on that is is if we do we do we have any potential uh for them to come back at us if we start
summoning them but we never summoned anybody that owned it before. Well, you brought that up before. >> Yeah. I don't think we got an answer off of that. >> I don't know. What do you think, Kevin? >> I I mean, >> forget the pass. >> I think um I'll follow up with Mark. Get
get see if you can give us a little better time frame for when they might expect to draw permit, any potential to take to to do a carve out, which doesn't even require a subdivision. We can take that property with it. Just a leaps and bounds description. But, you know, it
you have been a voice uh and I know you think you're a voice in the wilderness, but it it has been years, but it just seems like that thing and I know again I think Steve Steve and I know he was in there. He said it's basically been stripped out and gutted. I mean, I think anything had any any value whatsoever is
long since gone. And to be honest with you, if anything, I as I had mentioned before, I'm I'm really thinking the property might be more useful for a a a yard to move our yard to if we get a donation.
>> Pretty rough, >> you know, because the building itself sounds like it's really irretrievable. And I hate to say that, but that that seems But >> the other thing, too, >> ask about banana form. But the other thing too is >> I'm not really enthused about sighting,
>> right? If a if a person if like so so before Steve has said like he doesn't feel that it's worth it, >> right? >> But if if Mr. Margles feels it is like what would be the potential financial cost like you know I mean to
me we've never we I understand the importance of it but we've never heard like what it would actually cost >> well >> or a potential We I don't think we would be really I don't know. I mean that was always the idea that we would have to take the initial donation because we're exempt
from our own sub ordinances. So they don't have to go back to a board, >> right? >> And then but theoretically once we got it, we we could then redonate. Mhm. >> And I thought that was >> we could and we could also apply to the municipal conservancy trust fund which
also has projects that have been at ground zero like this and they have a plan and they they work slowly and bring it back up to what it could be and they preserve the history. Once that house is
gone, you're not going to have any remnant of the establishment of our township, which is that stone house. It's worth it. It's if we could take ownership and start with some basic grants. >> Well, we don't want to take ownership.
We'll we'll give it to them. >> Well, you go ahead and do that. But >> we don't want no parts of that. I'm just saying the places I visited on Saturday made me weak because of the commitment of their municipalities. >> I'll follow up with Mark and see see
what's going on. >> There you go. >> I mean, not not for nothing. >> I >> they extended my lease to farm until the end of next year. >> So, they're not have any immediate plans, >> right? >> For what it's worth. Thank you.
>> Hey, by the way, I just I did text Adam, our he's a client of mine, your contractor at Pangelli Park. He said one to two weeks to be finished with the basketball court. I did tell him you guys are trying to potentially schedule a rededication.
>> Trying to make Sil. >> Yep. Wherever he is. >> Oh, come on now. >> Oh, he's in. Anything Elsa Hingren? >> Well, had you had enough?
>> I'm asking Nelson. >> Uh, on on August 13th, I reached out to Ben uh your school. >> Oh, with the um Musk Connect, >> right? and uh had a conversation with him to get acclimated to the uh told him
I wanted to participate and be helpful and supportive uh to to uh to his work and I just kind of got acclimated as to what their priorities are, how he worked, what their organization is and so forth. And he discussed with me the Musketong River Management Council and
the uh the water the watershed association which he's actually uh involved with. And so we had an orientation and acclamation type discussion. Uh and then I I followed up with that recently uh to understand what his priorities are, what the status
statuses of the grants, grant applications that he had put in some time ago that got that got tied up in the uh political turmoil maturations and so forth on funding of things. And he he basically told me that the two kind of
his two priorities are two dam removal projects in the musky. He said both of them are on hold for different reasons, but they're being one is being appealed and one is is being just, you know, reapplied for and pressed uh for uh for approval.
>> Is one of those the Bloomsbury one? >> Yes. Good. >> He I think I think that's one he referred to that as the as Warren as the dam Warren Mill. >> Warren Mill is the big dam back in Pine Hall, not the one in Bloomsbury. >> Yeah. So that that's one of them.
the great trader. Yeah. The graph. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so basically uh that transpired and I'm going to meet with him uh this Friday at 10:00 a.m. at his uh office and talk more and just kind of go through things and just become more involved. >> Nelson, for what it's worth, every time
I get phone calls from any of our uh federal constituents, I always tell them that's a big priority. you know, if we can get that grant money for that project. >> And I always reinforce that with whoever the new liaison is for whether it be Keen or any of those other ones to call
on me, right? >> I always tell them that we're very much in support of that. >> All right. So, so that transpired and uh I will follow up with that and keep everyone posted on >> their meetings are the same night as our council meet. >> Yeah, his meetings tonight. Yeah, exactly. Because I I I offered to
participate. I said I want and and I said I think I think our council meeting that night. Yeah. No, that that was the trouble I had always it's the same dang night. >> Yeah, it is the same night. So, that transpired and uh I will continue to follow up with that and like I said, I'll I'll be seeing him Friday at 10:00
a.m. Uh and uh on on these uh separate issue on these uh soil deposit issues that we're having. I I think I can definitely be helpful on that in a lot of different ways and I I'll coordinate with Scott on that. Come on. >> Okay.
All right. Uh, resolutions. Anybody have any issues taking all the resolutions together? >> I make a motion we take them all together. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. Gray, >> yes.
>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Nothing. Ordinances for first or second reading tonight. Uh, we got some motions. Is there any motions we want to >> Yeah, a couple add.
>> Yeah. A motion to allow uh the chief to uh um look into a undercover car not to exceed 40,000 if >> that's okay with everybody. >> Mhm. >> Yep. Right motions. I have a problem
with the last motion listed on our agenda with the helicopter landing zone at Alba Vineyard. That was a huge problem for many residents in the area and I just don't think we ought to authorize that. I think we ought to recommend that they get quiet balloon
rides that can go up and go down. >> Let's put that motion to to the side. We'll add the one the chief just said to the motion list. And there was another motion for promotion, wasn't there? >> Yeah. a motion to authorize uh uh the
Wanda to send for the certified lists for lieutenant and sergeants and then authorization for the chief to do his backgrounds to uh bring to the September meeting his propos uh his who he would like to ask to be promoted for the
September meeting. >> So we can add those two motions to to the list. Carve out the last one on the list. That'll be 1 2 3 four five six seven motions we can all take by consent and we'll carve out that last one for
further discussion. Is that okay? >> Somebody make that motion. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Okay. >> I'm glad. >> I have questions. >> Yes. Miss Eddi. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. So,
the helicopter rides, I got a lot of complaints about it. Ingred got complaints. Are we bound to have to allow this or is it up to our discretion to say no or yes? So, so all so in the past
all we were doing all I was doing when I was chief was signing off stating that we're aware that they're going to be using a helicopter. We weren't giving permission for them to do that. We were just signing off saying that we knew they had a plan and we were we were
approving that we know that they are utilizing the helicopter. I I I don't know if there's a restriction on can we tell a business that you >> I I researched this last year when this came up when Ingred raised the issue and it I think under division aeronautics
regulations we we did we we can withhold consent as I recall >> think when I did that research last year. >> Yep. >> They have to get the FAA approval anyway. >> It's not >> it's a New Jersey division ops approval but they're if we say we don't want it >> you as a governing body.
>> Yeah. We're not they're not going to get the approval. >> Is there any liability that can fall on us? >> No, it was a noise. That was my first >> No, it's I mean, if we approved it, I don't see that this being a liability issue. It's more of a quality of life issue for your residents. That's >> that's exactly
if something goes wrong with the with the health if something happens. It's not it's not the I mean why why if the FAA no different than if a plane signature? Well, because it's not there there's different kinds of uh helicopter
and uh landing site. There's permanent and then there's temporary ones that that that's what they do. And again, ultimately it's the division of aeronautics. Obviously, whatever technical requirements they have for area, you
know, takeoff zones, whatever, um they meet those requirements. But I think the division of aeronautics probably with these issues in mind um does have a sign off and I think that's what the chiefs alluded to. If we don't
want to do it, we we should we should so so indicate >> but there wouldn't be issues with our municipal insurance if they crash or something like that. >> That would be all though. >> But the frequency was >> plus not permission at the end. It just >> No, it's
division. Does he have to get a special events permit for this? >> Not just for the helicopters, but but for his whole festival that he has there. No. >> The only time, right, Wanda? The only time we need a special events is if it's going to the the police
>> require police presence. >> Yeah. When he parks across the street like there if they have that that's when you're required to have a special event. >> Is this just like a annual type of thing that they do? Well, last year they were taking off and landing every 20 minutes.
>> I'm just saying it's an annual something they started >> promotional type of thing because I'm thinking >> the whole weekend it's like for my grandkid first or something >> apocalypse now. So, I'm assuming that
Platinum Services, whatever it is, Evan Van Gilson, they have their own insurance and they have to go through all their hoops and >> it's just a matter of whether you want to approve it or not is what it comes down to. >> They've got a nice platinum. It's a nice company.
>> Platinum Services, I think it's called or something. >> So, my question is this. I understand. So, if does this mean though if that the mayor and council are going to take a stance that says we're not going to allow this, does this mean then that
every time that the fire department has a party and the neighbor doesn't like the noise that we don't issue the special event permit? >> That's not even apples and oranges there. >> Yeah, but helicopters whooshing over the whole town.
>> Noise is noise, Ingred. Whether it's a helicopter or whether it's a party, noise is noise. >> But what I'm saying is, are we setting precedents that says, "Well, we don't like this one, so we're not approving, but we're going to like that one even though other people don't like it." >> But we haven't really gotten any
complaints on the fire department. >> Yeah, we have. Oh, yes, we have. >> Yeah, we have. Oh, yeah. >> Plenty. >> That lady across the street, she's been here a couple times >> and she's not even that close. >> I forget what her name was, but she worked for a lawyer. That's I'm not I'm
you guys do I'm just saying are are we >> not even the same >> I mean I think you can take these on a case by case basis. I understand the point. So I wouldn't have a problem with that. The only other thing I could >> I mean I think it's either yes, it could
be an outright no. The other thing I see is they want hours from like noon to 4. >> Reduce the hours. >> We could reduce the hours. Say hey look we don't we won't have a problem with two hours is enough on each day or something. I mean, you could go in between if you'd like. Um, listen, I get
it. In the fall, that's some of your nicest, it's right around Halloween. People like to be outside and everything. I get that. >> Balloon rides are so nice. >> Um, but you know that I'm just saying you could go yes, no, where you could say yes, but it has to be limited hours. That those are three options.
>> Would it be an issue then on for National Night Out when the helicopter comes? I was just thinking I was going to go there, but >> there's people that are next to the school that say, "I don't want this." And then we can't have that go there. >> Well, how many hours is that? >> Is that a whole weekend?
>> It's 2 hours. It's 2 hours and one night. >> Okay, there you go. >> But I'm saying though, if we restrict it to that, saying it's one day for two hours and then >> it kind of be the same thing. So, it's kind of >> It's not It's case by case. >> And how many residents did this affect?
the whole southern prohon that had those helicopters flying over and over. They were taking off every 20 minutes and landing up >> anybody from Albus all the way down to the river on 627. >> And then when the complaints came and they started flying over Holland
Township changing the flight plan and then Holland Township started complaining. It's very very noisy and continuous. They >> change the flight. They went by my house too. And and if we so if we say
>> I would I would say maybe the compromise would be to approve it with restricted hours. See how that goes. I think that it's an effort to and again that kind of also addresses trying to be evenhanded. You know we have the helicopter for national night out. you
have the you know >> I mean definitely if we do I mean my thing >> one day would be the most >> right >> it wouldn't be two days because then >> well and that wasn't that integrated in fact my recollection was they they done this before and there weren't complaints
like didn't it like accelerate or get bigger >> I think last year was the first time actually >> I signed off multiple years >> I think last year last year was the first time we ever heard >> I got complaints twice from Joanne stem at least two years.
>> But if you do one day and one day at a 2-hour window, that's national night out where you have the same thing because I mean I know it was case by case basis, but then you're going to say, "Okay, on a military to run their helicopter and then run out." >> What's the purpose of it? Do they go up
and show you the vineyard from an aerial perspective or something or >> take you for a helicopter run? It's >> just a helicopter run. >> It's a wine till you get wine with it and It's a promotional one. Okay. >> You just tell me what you want me to do.
>> All right, guys. Somebody make a motion. Yes, no, or in between. >> I make a motion not to approve it. >> Do we have a second? I thought I thought this was being discussed later something later now. >> Well, we have we have um a meeting in
September when Kevin comes back. Can we wait till September? Is that too late to get the notice? >> He was asking last week. >> He was asking last week and the week before. >> When did it start? >> October. >> October 18th and 19th. >> They already do online advertising.
>> I would just tell him, listen, at this point, council, >> I told him we were going to discuss it at the meeting. So, >> and also too, maybe have >> I thought maybe he would come, but >> but at this point, just say, listen, council uh did not approve it or didn't take it up and you know, next meeting >> come plead your case to us and maybe
we'll convince and then you can uh >> Right. That's fine. >> But but my thing is I think maybe gain more information and also too having Kevin I mean he lives in that area too so you know if by his house so I think have another voice and another opinion
so and tell the guy listen you better come if not maybe it's not going to happen. So my motion I make the motion that we tell it till next next meeting next meeting. Good idea >> and then convey that to short of what we'll >> do. Yep. >> Yep. I'll call him tomorrow. All right,
no public comments. Anybody else have anything for the good of the whole? If not, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Well, hey, that's all right. It's only
going to be one whiskey night when I get home instead of a two. I was down next to Cine.