GR that's wonderful just woke up the stair like to open the regular meeting for the adjust for May 1624 get a reading of the open meeting call minutes Kell second of AG and9 right so goe tell us why you're here and what looking at so uh we're looking to build a coning house 2900 uh the property had a previous house on it that burned down fire my partner purchased a lot um and due to the location on a radius on a curve of the road the front is short but the uh you know it's kind of a pie shaped lot the rear is exceeds 50 I think 65 or so the length is over 100 so it's just a lot on the street that's the issue every other set is that's that's the long and the short of Mr chairman um the only thing I did note um in my letter item number four inrease in building coverage just request stair so all setbacks All Height all percentages all everything are good we're just dealing with the OD shape of lot square foot into the lot is good that that is correct 49 so the the WID is different than the is measur right away and then it's shaped grows a little bit is measured set back and the plan indicated I didn't check indicated 49.99 um so we listed that as VAR as well but those are existing conditions has indicated that the dwelling as proposed does meet all zoning set all that everything the does anyone haveon any other questions anything else in the letter that we need to bring our it Mr chairman the the ground are you waving at me that's so nice I haven't even asked yet if anybody know we met does anyone in the audience have any comments or questions maybe ma'am you do come on up you got to come forward either com next door be if you have any questions I do we did me so hello nice to see you I just I do have questions I of the house and I didn't speak to about it but I just wanted to you know ask I don't know if I miss the parking meeting did I miss that that ail I IED email this is the meeting there meeting question she might be refering to they app for Cur from what I remember the letter said um that it didn't affect the number of spots on the street and I just wanted to confirm that that was curve cut is located lot shft to but is it true that it's not going to affect the number of actually looks wider than what is proposed and then my next question I know that just the front I I said to approve it on the back it on the back Mo side it's an exis so the lot is the lot not requ then build this [Music] 456 my that's you asked the question he said that he's not moving it so the bo will take that into consideration I not able to I love there's room smashed up against but I did tell her the other day that the wall that would be Overlook to her will make that mostly solid seems like everybody in the neighborhood's getting a angry no you and ser in all seriousness we hear the concern and board considers everything as they listen to it and he gave the reasons why and the bo will consider that as well all right anything else good thank you is anyone else yes come on up man you're going to get sworn in say where you live all that kind stuff and Hello nice to meet you nice toet you I just have a quick question I forgive me if I don't have all the information but I don't understand the variance is it only the cut or are there setbacks and are things such as the Peril the size of the house the mass the height the permeability all all those are only it is the size of a lot it's irular shape but the percentages are still that corre wonderful anyone else anyone else on the board else from the public a motion anything else from you guys we're all good okay we have a completely very I would like to speak neighbor concern about while that concern is understood the house could have been configured way that was bedroom with a very large window facing a completely use and certains prot privacy we can get this I think because of the extraordinary circumstances this conforming lot in most cases in the house is and again same a regular lot not a whole lot but it is you had to come here I to apolog it is what it is everything else conforms I mean the frontage is barely even up you know at all and just like re said Sor you to come here and do this yeah I agree um it's neigh welcome back com I ation for approval approve app yes6 Aven New Jersey I Kevin Peter from Kanani associate Architects Kanani c z associate Architects 21- 208 South in LIC AR name go ahead us home down here 114a Rand Avenue had property for last 25 years children grown up there multiple Summers now it's time for my wife and I to our Perman res right are of the variances that you're up against um the house is located in the sf5 zone 149 35 14 ising only7 wide deep only wide based location of the existing home where it is placed on the property and the Nar of the property it makes it very to build a second floor that would so we looking to try to match the ex first floor footprint car up to make it have open able to Elevation andam to the elev timately the lot area ised to 5750 no the lot frage is 37.5 where again 50 is required same with a lot wi we are rectangle so we are 37 25 the it was noted as 10.5 10.54 exist depending on where you take the or set the house is 14 and the deck that's on the front of the house is1 when we are finished with our project the house will still be 14 the to the front edge of the landing side set to ex1 on the norly side of the house unfortunately our the rear yard set is supposed to be 30 4 so that is not an issue building coverage 30% is allowed currently we are at 37% and the proposed which we had an issue on our Square footages on the program that you have or the actual copy you have PDF that wasent is correct actual percent is5 building coverage and impious coverage should be 3621 now my first is that that is signicantly over 30% that is allowed to the of property this thiser had 5 that would allow only 26.7 just quick side set SK over us require and then over it's actually for the access build that's for the accessory the accessory building is the is a Shar property one day of the doesn't have a door just owned by neighbor I you and ansers until the is ready for the add that is correct it's combination of the front porch the stair going down the side now and a concrete you're doing 4x4 landing at the bottom of here to show where the L is show how the property lays out our is has red top of it I gole Google Maps yesterday we have on the of the house we 1 and from side of our house side of our house to our proper which actually runs pretty much dead gu at some point in time this was just set up that this was the entrance to get into the if you look at all the this street here all of them are pulled further forward to the front leaving a larger area in the back even though in order to make the hous Performing they should have been pushed back but by pulling them forward this one driveway allowed access to everybody that was on the street all up and down the backs of this prop at one point from what I've been told that this driveway went all the way through to the end and came back out as a u shap that everybody was able to go through at some point in time the person at the very top of this photo you can see put AOL in and put a fence at all it is not it was not a easement set so he certainly was in his right to do this unfortunately now it is landlocked everybody else we are we are looking to put the front porch on ours and get the variants for our porch because we don't want to put the porch on the back and unlock everybody else above us we are trying to allow it so everybody can still uze this access we get through here trying to be good neighbor to everybody that's there um so we feel that this was a a better decision at the front even though it is increasing the preexisting condition better option to go as you can see there is a large garage that is partially on our property that's just behind our house and aree Bays that are extending onto the neighbor we are looking to maintain it just the way it is Scott has actually said that he'd be willing to knock it down but if he knocks it downb ultimately we're looking to keep it uh on this shot you can also see that there is plenty of room immediately adjac to that garage to get the two car parking that through I just have the M door it's 14 by 18 it just has a man do to NE item four on the the letter that was sent to us requesting the information about the flood plane elevation the Finish floor first floor is at 14.55 so that is well above it the bottom of any wood framing is actually at 12 have a the house so we are above the 12 point that was looking the dwelling does does contain this new dwelling does contain three bedrooms that will be on the second floor um so we do need the two car parking as we St two car Pary it is an attic space we have a full going up to theace it would only from the bottom of thege floor in the not AIT only windows um was location of aing one thing we did not draw here looking currently on the back of the house there is a small fron directly basic ex location3 platform that comesss exer access properties we discussed do access it questioning whether this fits within the community the house is immediately either of us currently one St do not those twoes but most of the houses fur up has already blown put second floor on further down the street there arees in row that have second floors on iigh last thing VAR would or whether it's Improvement I believe both fit in both cases it is a hardship the fact that the house is situated in a location that it does not allow us to put a second floor onw because of the undersiz nature of the lot we we stuck with the percentages that we are with for our total coveres so I believe that the hardships in the property do exist and I believe that the improvements a any questions from the respect so just like to hear testimony to the aesthetic of what will now be a threeory tall house over corre is the house Adent us that as a please but ultimately yes that house has been raised uh what we have done with this is the house besides facing the nor any on that main run property so when you're on that side you're looking all you're going to see is the one wall the roof will be falling away from not as add two ready coming back to you on that um with that proximity we have fire issues yeah absolutely that is correct um currently there are windows on that side of the are to replace Windows window no it will not are okay my problem would be this so much work is being done in this house the en you AB follow ass that is correct and we no it is on the first floor of the house so it is build this you elevated the house but the house was not changed right it was just elevated found was put questions on the the plans I noticed on the first four plans there's a sizable I think it's called an office um next to a full bath and you know if that were used as a bedroom I guess that could just I do want to confirm it is an office there is no being placed it no way canot be used as bedom but to allate any concerns the property actually has of room forkes and one immedately at isas if we need to usually just just um just clarifying that the applic IND ex stair thank you anyone in the audience have any questions or comments on this anyone else comp the engine report testified it is wow since 15 yearses um we've gone from a whole bunch of 1950s and 40s single story or two bual elev bual fulltime occupancy homes but I think the upside is that we are getting modernized homes flood compliant C don't see thereal toity of them of always a concern that change ter to don't see to Z thank you Mr driver well you know certainly I think it could be an improvement to the to the area there's no doubt about that however um and I'm sure my colleagues are tired of hearing them say this but um it just bothers me that so many people buy these undersized Lots um and then they want to do all kinds of things with them because you know they're good citizens and I'm not saying they're not you know improve you know what's there however when you buy something that's undersized and you know it's undersized they're consequences to it and sometimes it is you're stuck with what you have so I I'll reserve my vote until I hear what everybody else has to say Reynold right um I see it keeping within what's happening the lab I don't see it as a detri to that neighbor any part of the town for that matter I appreciate the fact that the houses are forward andbody decied that driveway IDE back certainly wouldn't it if we put people I'm not problem thiss Street don't it's to a lot like rest of the neighborhood kind is ining going on Rand as everyone said um and there were pre-existing variances but you're not making much change to those pre-existing Varan yes it's a smaller lot but a lot of us have homes on smaller lots that preexisting variances and you know just deal with it so um problem age think theast we've been that neighborhood evolve I think thank you yeah I see this both as C1 and C2 is an exception narrow I think also as by the benefits out of out ofen to do all kinds of things I don't necessarily understand what that means you're putting the second floor on the it more add um get a motion for approval thank you very than you up John 13 I think before we jump to 1309 there was going to be a request on the boil matter that's going first uh on that too but what's the request chairman I represent the uh an objector in that case I was hired today um the request is to return the matter I think that Mr Jackson has consented to that request my clients are out of the Bas yes there's no objection on both sides so we can get a new date we'll adjourn it to a date certain that's abely and we'll just need the time waver for that when we do it will Mr chairman no more disruptions for me thank you very much have a good night thank you1 handed out a yes first one do count I don't know if we uh asked whether anyone in the audience was here for 141 Boardwalk I don't know if that might be clear was anyone here for 141 board so what we have here tonight is we have a a lift and en associated with we're also adding on a deck in the back that requires some Rel um the house is going up we're making a them of compliant uh we're doing a aesthetic upgrade and we believe that this is an appropriate for approval that said if I could have Mr Ren thank can you just give the board a brief of what our application is the neighborhood zone is looking Etc wef there are essentially three parts to our proposal we have an existing structure Circ 1970 certainly from our Cent secondly under the requirements we are in a V Zone from and thirdly with that raise our client would like some additional outdoor living space associated with the main living space and we are proposing a 5ot extension to an existing deck so we're looking to go wi the across the side of the house proper in the sf5 zone it's a conforming lot but the existing structure ESS Lane a RightWay here that is considered by the zoning department to be a front yard setback and we currently approximately 8 from that where 25 the paper Street which is Elizabeth we are is also considered to be a front yard and we are certainly less like many houses 25 approximately so I want to make it clear that we're not planning on expanding the footprint of the structure itself the only expansion that we're planning in terms of the footprint is a foot expansion on this existing he was perfectly good where you were he was pointing at existing deck 10t wide we're proposing a 5 foot expansion towards the towards the oce again the idea is is that once we come up another six feet out of the ground we're going to be that much further remove from our our ground level so as to facilitate theuse of so just one that's the only expansion is the deck you're raising within the footprint of the and then is there other staircases things that are going to up certainly go to rendering so one of the interesting things about this house is in addition to having that 1970s to it it's a it's a split LEL which is something that you don't typically see so the back section of the house when you come in on the ground level this this is the area that currently is approximately elevation 14.5 and we're going to be going about six feet higher than that so certainly we need some additional stairs to get up to to our living space and we've created on the ground level some parking area lower Flor storage so where I was going with this is that it's not it's a lift in place but the lift is complicated somewhat by the fact that we have a split level situation so when you come in this lower level you go up half a flight up to the ocean front room which contains a kitchen and a dining space and of course that's where we're posing our our expanded deck so although is being raised as a as a unit so this finish floor to the back section when all said and done will be feema compliant and will be approximately elevation 21 and then thean and the deck would be at elevation elev 25 so there's a we didn't want to have to tear the house apart at that point try to level out fls at that point you would have we would be looking at a total um de demolition of the exis structure and certainly we didn't want to do that because the space that we have currently have bathrooms and so forth are in are in good shape so again the three attack to this house was to lift it make it them of compant to change the exterior look from 1970s contemporary to cap something in the neighborh also proposing elevator that would allow us to have access lower level up to to flor also give us access to the the ocean view room so mrus was saying that although there isans to the we are expanding view room to be other things we've done is we we've removed currently have condens are right on the property reming cutting the roof comp improv to the now we are obviously because we can't count Away by so again we are over the 30% requirement and the incre stair St as yes we are over 30% but again it's an existing condition and you're not exacerbating that this foot push to to the east what's the reason for the five foot push to the east how does that make your plan better well again so this is the major again this is the major living space and because we are creating an additional six foot distance between our ground level and our and our living space we'd like to have an outdoor space that can accommodate picnic table a grill a sitting area and it's a again currently it's a 10 Deep deck with we proposing an additional to en the ability me for one minute just I have to also see your back uping the lowest level it's not an open ra so there's hard wall there so you just explain that as a under the de the house under the house so under the house obviously we would have Breakaway walls in between a New Foundation system and within those walls there would be access to the upper floors beage space and the balance be stage so you come to the lower what would be in the storage area how high would this be uh it's about seven foot so you can walk underneath the area the area underneath this room is is taller than it is here because of the nature of the split level you know we have a s foot changeing this section and here have the additional so about 11 so let's take a look at the elevations is the grade in the SL of theom and the height of the D factor in in how you Design This House well again because of the the split nature the height of the the ocean front room is driven by the minimum amount that we need tot the back section of the house so this is low as we can keep it and in turn this creates a situation for the ocean front room which is as low as we can keep it to make it compant again the alternative would be to demolish the entire front section of the house and that really wasn't a a viable option that said are we within the required building we are within the required dilden High because we are in a V Zone we're measured from the BF much like a Co delay but we get to use uh we get to go 35 ft as opposed to 322 ft and we do conform Mr Sav question the pitches of the main roof which are required to be a minimum six on 12 arey the only deviation from that will be our our d you so looking at the elevations that you have you have an elevation a DF of 19 where is that that's here and how does that carry forward to the front of the house so if you carry it to the back you see we've got a relatively low ceing back here about aing in and in this portion of our ground level and then ofs where we have stairs us the so so the first finished floor or the first the living space is above the DF of 19 on the ocean side is that fair yeah so so the way it works elot of that to we'll have of Jo soim to use this house and lift the whole thing due to the split level nature you're you're backed into putting that Oceanside finish floor at at how high this will be about 25 at 25 so unlike some of the other houses that we've done in other parts of town where we're trying to get a garage underneath to get a car parking this has nothing to do with that this is just a consequence of the structure of the rest of the house is that fair yeah is fair obviously we have we have a garage there now like maintain a ceiling we were able to create laundry doesn't exist so theight of theck in the back that's to keep it level with the the [Music] Liv height and then to the deck so that dining room is um just a little above the deck now with this property is that deck effectively the backyard like it would be for a lot of houses it is again the lot is confirming are but it's relow and situation and the 30 requirement from the boardwalk right and again working with an existing structure is the lower being yeah I just uh we just we were looking for some testimony that that is continues to be nonh habitable it's below Bas and it is it's it's non-habitable space By by code by ordinance surrounded by Breakaway walls with flood vents within those breakway walls and used for storage parking vehicles and for access to elevators are one of those things that's exempt the re are there design requirements for the elevator have right can I go back yes so what's the height of the Doom so the top of the Doom is approximately elevation 2 and currently our our living space the oce is approxim 25 just above the correct and is that want a sure yeah it's one of the the main reasons in addition to the FL compliance that you see a lot of the o TOA a little that also your various elevations first the deck in the house so let's talk about the aesthetic well before we go to the house exterior just if you want to just go quickly through the uh layout of the lay I have a question ttim the reard set back on that's where the deck is yes so John I don't know if you want go back sheet you have existing at 29.4 and propos 1529 so to clarify 29.4 is to the structure the house itself 15.29 is toos and then on the ONN side the house is about5 the existing proposed de would be exting de 2 see theer line ised just go back to show the approximate location of the boardwalk right away and I know this isn't precise yeah say it's right where do the Imp cover 54 only there's only about a 4% difference between the building coverage and the imper given the nature of the the landscaping and the fact thatal re so again's one of the things that point out is the existing deck it's an open deck it's not fiber glass it's not Stone allows water toolate through and that rightly so we should have calculated that at 50% calculated exis we do the same thing with the the that would also go in the same man so we right at right at about 50% so I think you'll have to on Bas renderings like you're stepp downa have open thatt water to through stairs have a retaining wall and stairs that would allow us to get down to that lower LEL at some change leveli the idea was that outdoor beach things and not have it exposed or laying out on the beach so testimony is that below the de is Con rest is except for's anaer well it haveck shower area so I guess if if in fact they did have an open Boardwalk beneath the deck that would sort of be the same thing I think yeah so and I don't know you could you could educate but if we did this in Boardwalk would that would that count towards would that eliminate the U the credit I would tend to think that surface over surface thata you could extrapolate that s interrup extrapolate that to maybe I have a deck and then I have another below that I just deck my oh it's all deck so it's at some so for now so there's really not a lot of changes to the existing we did reconfig the kit somewhat but these rooms are largely the same loation elev we' eliminated void was created by the we created a this is all exis it's not being changed and then half call lets and colors again the inspiration from the not over to a lot OFA straightforward symmetrical Cly add the only I will say that didn't certainly con to whatever the requirements are the aded re the walk and obviously I don't have well I guess my question is because there's an existing cut through maximum 200 right exactly so I wasn't sure whether you were just delting it or whether there was some proposal of type of connection there's no Bridge IDE this is not uh when the time comes we I do believe that walk maybe not I'm not sure not sure it says W walkway right side but I'm not sure so John the letter one talked about two good good four good five bedrooms how many boms do we have the yeah so the half story not there Place toting are entertainment and the half because it's split LEL so it's really not a half story in the tradition that you know you have two full living floors and then a half story that's why I asked I don't think it qualifies really not really story part of the second floor if you but we did analyze it from that standpoint we qualified as a between the two FL between the half flors so by the old definition for story defition for story ISL level or something like that BEC yes and going to minut we've through the house Mr Ren in terms of Varan back there's no for RO for any on that in no way fix any neighbors the increase in in the de well again coming out additional 5 Fe so obviously situation that when you look at the photogra the over you can see that there's think that by pushing this out an additional certainly it does impact the the next door house but not to the extent that I feel that detrimental rear deck elev is 24 24 so the existing back section of the house is at 14.5 yeah that's the way I got to do it so the back elevation is 14.5 this is existing plus 4.33 so that puts that's that puts this3 so essentially the first thing I said was that we're rifting this house 6'4 all portions of the house so everything the deck is going to go up 6'4 the floors are going to go up 6'4 um that's the of this thist place did where we have a split up so rather than tear off we are trying to work with that and I think all in all aesthetically from a Cy standpoint we've done a reasonably good job of solving all the all the client issues all the design issues with your permission if I go thean C1 c i just some clarifications I think I might be misreading your plans theit it is confusing because you're looking at you're looking down of two levels so the bathroom that you see here is actually on the lower section of the second floor that diamides over mren under C1 the hardship is that we have a structure lawfully existing on the property that we have to we also have an irregular geometry property that exes the variances we're in a flood zone and that goes to having to raise the house we have an existing structure and we're raising a house to make a comp two hardships that we have to deal with so with those two hardships the detriment substantially outweigh and of the benefits of making a house F compant and with the hardship yeah I mean the law was written shortly after sing to allow people to LIF Place May some encroachments arees theight slight changes to the number of stairs that you need to access access eliminating the mechanical and putting them up into the C cor so let's talk about C2 your view is aesthe up again the the house in its day probably there are a lot of things that certainly don't fit the neighborhood roof lines the roof lines which required to be in they are less than so that's add to condens but certainly the overall aesthe impr window am the Doom does that create hard in that on Anan you want put the house it's absolutely you know these are these are great properties taking of ofo join IND talk our house changing the roof lines making they arein under1 analysis when you have a hardship which is the height elevation Etc substantially benefits in your view as an architect yes under C2 um the weigh is a little flipped around because we're promoting derable visual design environment like you said we're upgrading we're making itely uh fire flood Panic natural disaster Etc is that all accurate and by upgrading this house are you going to be touching any the wiring or the Mechanicals making it more efficient explain what we're doing in terms of making this a safer more modern more efficient house well again all the Willen outs so under C2 you're improving the Aesthetics you're improving the safety improving those are all things that Advance the purpose of now you those benefits substantially out which is the test under C2 SRE height of build of roof does not have signicant to the rest through all the questions I have of Mr anyone else on the and I'm sorry there's one final question you see any can this application be granted DET to those are all the questions I have minus any steps that would be required by ra the house allowes stay is now basic straight up CH did you have something I saw you may leaning in yes yes the you're talking about a 5 foot extension on the existing de the de asist anyone else on the board have any questions yeah about I think actually to small Mr renko and I'm sorry may I follow ask follow based on mren why why did you add to the deck what does that do to functionality do a 10 deck so the designations would so we laid out we laid that out you traff around the rail just too tight in my opinion and in terms of being on close to everybody the rear yard open by going up to theight going going would have some yes much like the roof lines will have the overall perception of the house right the existing the existing Ridge line of the house is about 26 and adding another 10 to so yes it's a it's a more massive structure but it fits within the footprint of the existing much like the deck the overall shape any else but I don't see that as a huge negative terms of what the overall improvements to structure are concerned when I saw the house so there's a corner if we were to have a home all un a and elizabethe Elizabeth that goes the way down people are in number one well I mean you know me well the point being is we're not changing we're not we're not adding to elizabetha any never the federal government is talking about the sea the SE slow enough maybe we'll have another house on this house is a large large home current and it is in that corner of the lot from one line asking to ex with now we're covering that with a second floor or area out's there's nothing above the only to be up above correct so you go back yeah this this is and will stay the water line of development of this particular house we don't we don't propose moving that any closer by the same token we don't plan on moving any other perimeter of the house that currently exists what we're trying to do first and foremost is make the house PL compli and secondly to turn it from is an unattractive structure into main East Side the know anyone else on the board have any questions are you here representing yes I represent the Elizabeth Carter Beach Association so we'll let you begin your questions have your name please Alan poller p i n r well rather than uh questions for the architect i' just like to have a presentation that's acceptable youtify as well I have everyone behind me and who can testify um I just want to get it get the information out and I could call witnesses as necessary yeah but I'm just not sure we're there I'm not sure we're there yet only because we were doing Cross of the architect right and I'm not sure that the applicants finish their case in Chief before we're going to go to the public comment well I have no questions for the uh the architect you got it I was given you the first chance at the question so um and so unlike the first C so you'll be able to come back up a little bit because we're going to go to question um unlike the other case before and they them in and they ask questions and they comment at the same time that's not how this one works because we have more people so you won't have to get swor in you'll just have to state your name and your address but you're only able to ask questions of the architect for the testimony that was presented you can't start telling us how you feel yet because you'll be able to do that later on and if we could I just I missed it when Mr poer indicated his client is the Elizabeth Carter homeowners association Beach Association Beach Association and how do you work that with I was gonna say if you're represented right if you're represented by Mr poer any questions would have to come through council at the time of public comment he individually call each and every person who's a member of the association but if you're represented by Council Council doesn't get to cross examine and then also you do separate questions attorney for people who are MERS Association or he can call you up to com have to weon let start up your address name is Robert bro and the address is to Elizabeth Avenue and we are the house that's just to the west across the allei from uh 15501 and I just have a few concerns and questions uh the first is uh the parking uh what are the plans for the parking how many cars where can they Park um it seems right now there is a a parking on the side uh just to the West um sort of the side of the garage that in use you're putting a pad there an electric pad or whatever it seems like that's going to knock that space out so we're a little concerned yeah hold that this our in there and I think it's three I think for five it's three and this is just a question I had uh really we actually had to lift our house way way back we live like three foot as well we for Sandy but when we did that we had to reference the height total height of the house to the ground of the street is that still obligation or is that nothing that uh is to this well we are in okay um I guess the next question is with just the lighting you have a plan for outdoor lighting uh I'm particularly concerned with all night lighting because the house is being raised so much our house are concerned with the place for those lights so they don't shine in our bedroom do you have a plan for that so what I can I don't have a plan but I can descri what the intent is would be toal scond intention is not to have lights corners of the house yeah that's that was the big concern is on light lighting you know flooding our about number FL the AC is located up in the rafter what is the pad for the elect pad so we're required um to have the the design flation but the electric company requires that that meter reader be at ey the so consequently we have to provide small platform a and how high is that I think we're only the other more concerns come con at7 ocean front doors down on a corner 25t in um but why who making the homeowner go being is that like is it just to lower Insurance like why does this have to happen well the house was was uh damaged considerably sand andov after sanding yeah this has to happen because it has to happen I think if you're if you're a homeowner you live in such a sensitive area for storms that want to or you couldn't spend the amount of renov on the house without being compell so in other words there's a thing called you probably know this there's a thing called substantial Improvement so if my client and the way it works is that you can spend up to 50% of the assessed value of the structure and if you rece that number you're compelled to the house byw so it's the amount that they're come very strict with those rules so for instance if my client wanted to go in and change this dional by6 siding just because it's siding doesn't mean that it doesn't against the value of the house so small construction projects all of a sudden balanced against the value the assessed value of the structure homeowners that are in a z so but they're not no one is requiring this it's just because of the amount of the renovation you're saying the amount of renov from a stand to make housef it's not flood insurance rates for all residents to go up so the town's done a very good job the last couple years maintaining crss good and Varan issu is all are think covered issue C else have sir Rick benan to Elizabeth Avenue n z i um how many floors do you have on the elevator P the button how many floors you are habitable I believe that the elevator serves four levels four floors and do you have a piston or is there a pen house did you test the ground for your hydraulic elevator for any kind of contamination okay okay thank you you the elev ground access to flor half so it's going to have actually it's going to serve all the will BEP and will be hi my name is Stephanie GGO iide a503 ocean front I own a home right next door to the home in question G first name is Stephie um even to protect what I feel is my investment in my property I have a question yes I do and I'm going to address Mr ameno because he had worked with my home years past um okay I'll start with my question my first one is Mr ameno how high is that first the living area as you step up where their kitchen is and they living there high that floor from ex right now with the new plans when I look out my dining room window how high up yeah so so the existing so the existing elevation is3 it is essentially about 2483 so approximately 6et higher than my my first the entire building is going to be raised so be six feet higher when I'm on my living room floor I'm going to be looking up at six a six foot structure above I what your is I it's under 20 I all the homes that were done rocks right there we there so I'll be looking out at something six feet higher okay my next question is adding five feet to a 10 foot depth of a deck right now right now their deck is 10 by 36.5 my deck right now that I was able to get from for Sandy is less than 7 fet wide so when you spoke about a table and circumventing around I can put even a 42 in table and four chairs on a less than seven foot deck so now they'll be going out approximately 15 feet and usually they candelier another two feet so that deck might be as deep out to the ocean as 17 feet correct it will be at least 15 15 by 36.5 okay my next question is why why is this being considered part of FEMA a deck I mean this is an enhancement for their use it has nothing to do with FEMA okay my next question is how are they allowed to extend their steps from the deck Eastward to the ocean when after storm sanding our steps have to go west then you had to walk around to go East to go to the beach and our neighbors had to parallel very close to their so how far the steps from don't fur so I'll be looking at a helicopter platform basically 15t out to the ocean when the setback is supposed to be 30 from The Dun and now it's going to be 19 something or 15.29 it's it's was involved it's 20t on your side okay I guess we've dealt with cther and all that from storm Sandy and now all of this is going on going Eastward um oh one more question the underneath shower and dressing room that's going to be in that enclosed yes so I'll be looking up at a platform and into a wall from my house with the amount of money that was storm Sandy it's impacting our value everything it's just asking for a lot and I'll comment later have a lot to say anyone else thank you anyone else have any questions I have a question but part of the EA switch to the bride side theying through that if you're represented by Council then you tell him what the question is that you want to ask and he can when we open the public comment each person own does to thank you does anyone else have any questions that isn't represented ma'am come on up Elizabeth um I just was wondering if the setback Eastward from the the house to the property line is that 25 like it is like it was in my house when I built the house is actually the house itself is actually 30 corner corner of the99 it's a 29 foot setback is 29 so you're going an additional 10 feet into that 20 well there's there's an existing deck that that extends 10 add proposing addition So it's 15 into the 29 yes so we so what we are at is 15.29 um and the house is 29 ESS anyone else any questions are I'm okay iiz Alan PA attorney for uh Elizabeth part Pizza Association uh first I want to get a little bit of evidence in and then just make some arguments okay Miss Alvarez uh did you review the uh the plans that were s here iie them not in great detail and uh what is the concern of the association so our major concern would be our access like Mr Kelly had described earlier to our walkway which is off of Elizabeth Avenue to the north of this property another concern that we have is the construction equipment and how that's going to affect or potentially affect our whole walkway entrance those are two major so can I just ask you a question on the first one how does it change your access to the house I'm not sure it does but it looks like this massive structure may come onto that corner of what is their driveway at all from what it is but your construction is a very good one go through that a lot tyer I will have mren address that I know we are on two municip streets right awayi so the major staging area would be here and obviously there's logistic issues there are in many different properties in town but the idea would Beals be dropped off can can this there will be some disruption you will TR into Elizabeth to service it's not I can't give you magic it's not magic it's not an Amazon truck you there's to be deliveries Lumber drops concrete trucks things of that nature and savv contractor minim disruption Street then um I mean obviously they have a right to make delivery things like that home able to work the police officer something for safety purpose I don't know just throw SP they're they're subject to actually I was just in they recently came police was there so any delivery vehicle is subject to the same rules traff as as any other now certainly there's a little bit of just like when your FedEx truck pulls up you know it might encumber to some degree now that doesn't mean you can sit there all day that doesn't mean you can set up sh the right of way so on and so forth certainly to the degree that when larger deliveries are made some Co neighb no I mean we obviously we have to comply with Bal ordinances and um we have to stay on our property or we have to make an accommodation mren indicated there is a sufficient staging area and that the contractors will that area have toide thank you Mr mrko just Adis me that the plan is to start the fall I think there's a fire you can't put a dumpster they know they would have to follow Alan um if you could describe uh the proposed building um how would you describe it a monstrosity and how about the current building as it is how would you describe that the to building is pretty large as well and would the building of block views it would certainly block views would it block the views uh to the ocean it would block views to the ocean from certain of our members corre and would it block views from the beach of the sunset yes from the from the beach uh did you see anything in the see anything plan that uh did you see anything in the uh proposed plan that addressed flooding I did not concerned about flooding R water of that major structure to the neighboring properties yes go through a full drainage plan and work with an engineer it all have to be sub extra accomodations for any kind of underground draing whatever it may appr andone of that is part of the current plan is submitted and the ability to even put those structures in is limited by the setback requirements viation of just to be clear cover build cover already exists already exists well building uh if you take a look at the uh first page of the that was submitted in the top right corner you see the setbacks and the percentages and of the coverage and stuff um the building coverage is supposed to be 30% right now it's 46 a half and they wanted to raise it to almost 50 uh the imper coverage is over 50% already and they want to increase that to 54.63 uh where's the water to go okay and how are they going to build the structure to collect water when they're already up against uh setback requirements there's nothing in the plan uh to address that and the flooding grazing it grazing that helps flooding for the applicant it doesn't address any flooding for uh any of the neighbors there's been no plan about runoff this is does increase the impervious coverage the impervious coverage is too big already and so is the maximum building coverage the um setbacks are there for a reason one of the reasons is to have a place for where to go is this questions or argument or testimony I don't know what let's call this argument I just want to make some arguments and um can before we all start revie it take a look what it is all Ben yeah it's okay to Mark into evidence we'll hear has everyone else have a chance to make comments I don't know if this is this is this is summ we're doing now not uh well I really we can do it either way I mean it's a representative party if he wants to sum up you want to do that first or if you want to hear all the public comment first and save Mr poller summation till the end and then obviously applicant gets the last summation and are we staying until done no no we're not going to finish tonight we're not going to finish tonight whichever whichever order we go yeah I would say we would even just hold comments because 10:00 is our typical ending time we're going to be at least an hour or more so sep and all the members for the Elizabeth Carter please stand upate so so already people who came up and ask questions should have been doing it through you we asked and they didn't so MERS own as neighbors I represent the association if they want to talk as individual neighbors they can as well our practice how many people stood upse carry till September 19th no additional notice to be provided we'll carry there we'll just need a Time waver from the applicant quiet can we sub them no no it has to be done on the record at the time of the hearing okay and just so everybody understands the reason for that is just just like the applic witnesses have to be swor underbody attorne appes in reverse without to