She had an issue this morning with her teeth, but she said she's coming. >> She was She wasn't feeling. >> Yeah, she said I texted her before. She said she was coming. Yeah, we just got an email from John Veritasa. >> Just got another email from John
Veritasa. >> John Barasa. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> In favor of C Street, but you might want to read it. >> What? >> He's urging us to vote in favor of it. I just want to let you know because it just came in right now. >> It's not about the vote.
There you go, >> John. 50 bucks. >> Yeah, >> it's fine by demand, man. >> One minute. >> One in the back of my hotel. >> It's just f It's fencing up.
Oh, really? >> No cars going to go through the side. >> They're doing all the work. >> They're going to start going to start demolition. Start digging everything up. It's going to be a freaking mess. >> You lose. >> Well, we have plenty of spots. >> Oh, sure.
>> Can't go around the building. >> Okay. Oh, for Exactly. Okay. And that's under legal. >> Yeah, we'll do July. >> Okay. >> All right. I mean, when ready when you are. Adequate notice of the time and place of this meeting was given under the
provisions of the open public meetings act and was posted in consent to the officially designated newspapers in compliance with the law. Mayor by Tally >> here. >> Councilman Dixon >> here. >> Councilwoman Burns. >> Councilman Ramos >> here. Councilman Gant. >> Councilwoman Silison >> here. Councilman Cortez >> here.
>> Can I get a motion to go into executive session? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. Where section 8 of the open public meetings act the exclusion of the public from a meeting in certain circumstances and where is this governing body is of the opinion that such circumstances presently exist now therefore be
resolved by the mayor and council of bur pleasant beach county motion state of New Jersey as follows. The public shall be excluded from discussions concerning the hearing after specified subject matter. The general nature of the subject matter discusses as follows. Collective bargaining TWW contract real property monopole and open space
acquisition. Excuse me. Legal legal advice on ordinance and legal advice on parking regulations and open space uh that we're adding open space trust fund collection date um the ATOD collection rate I'm sorry
>> no problem at would be July 2026 >> and uh employment chief financial officer is anticipated that the subject matter discussed may be made public upon conclusion or final disposition >> to go on to close uh councilman Dixon >> yes >> council Ramos yes >> counciloman Silson yes
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everything about it. Now you can't picture. That's what I want. I think your house went after the elevator.
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>> Okay. Adequate notice of the time and place of this meeting was given under the provisions of the open public meetings act and was posted and sent to the officially designated newspapers in compliance with the law. Mayor Vitali >> here. >> Councilman Dixon >> yes. >> Councilwoman Burns >> here. Council Ramos >> here. >> Councilman Gant. >> Councilwoman Silson
>> here. Councilman Cortez >> here. Please rise for the flag. Remain standing for the invocation. I >> aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> It is most appropriate that in this country, which is founded on the bedrock of religious freedom for all people, that we take this opportunity to ask for guidance. First, we give thanks for the freedoms that we share. In particular, we appreciate our freedom of speech.
Second, we ask for guidance in the decisions that we deliberate on this evening. We all do not share the same opinion on each topic to be considered, but we must evaluate the views of others. Therefore, we ask for guidance so that the people of Point Pleasant Beach benefit from our decisions. Third, we ask blessings for those assembled here this evening as well as all the
residents of Point Pleasant Beach. >> Good evening everybody. Sorry we're about 10 minutes late. Uh we just have to do a couple of housekeeping items before we get to the oaths of office. So, can I get a approval for the May 5th council meeting minutes, please?
>> I'll make that I'll make that motion. I'll second that. >> Councelor Dixon, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Burns, yes. >> Council Ramos, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Silston, >> yes. >> Counciloman Cortez, >> yes. >> Thank you. Can I get a motion for the approval of May 19th council meeting
minutes? >> Yes. I'll make that motion. >> Thank you. >> I'll second that. >> Councilman Dixon. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Burns. >> Yes. >> Councilman Ramos. >> Abstain. Council
Silson, >> yes. >> Council Cortez, >> yes. >> Thank you. And then finally, can I get approval of minutes for the May 26 special executive session minutes? >> I'll make that motion.
>> I'll second. >> Councilman Dixon, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Burns, >> yes. >> Councilman Ramos, abstain. Councilwoman Stillison. >> No. >> Councilman Cortez.
>> Yes. >> Okay. >> Um and Mayor also the uh >> May 26th >> May 26th. >> So we did the May 26th special executive. >> We may we did May 5th council meeting, May 19th council meeting, the 526
executive um session. We need to do the May 19th executive session. >> Oh, sorry. Make a motion for that then. >> I'll make a motion to approve the May 19th minutes. >> Thank you. >> Second. Anybody?
>> Second. >> Councilman Dixon. >> Yes. >> Counciloman Burns. >> Yes. Council Ramos. >> Abstain. >> Councilwoman Silson. >> Yes. >> Councilman Cortez. >> Yes. Okay, now we're done. All right, so uh
we'll move on to the ceremonial oats of office. Um I will say on behalf of the governing body, uh very proud of the officers here today who are going to be uh promoted and sworn in. I had several conversations with the chief uh and he gave nothing but glaring reviews for
everybody. So uh we're very excited. Uh I'm going to turn it over to Lieutenant Drew to say a few words and uh we'll move forward. >> Okay. Thank you everybody. Um, so I'm just going to speak about the uh promotions and then the uh new hire. So a little bit about Captain Nace is that he began his career here as a special
officer as most of us have um and then became a full-time officer in 2006. He served in the patrol and operations. I'm sorry. He served in patrol operations and advanced shooter ranks. He's a maid sergeant, then lieutenant, and now captain. He's overseen the
patrol, investigations, internal affairs, training, and accreditation. Um, he's a recipient of numerous commendations, and life-saving awards with this department. His experience and leadership and commitment has made him an invaluable member of the department.
Next would be Lieutenant Pat Berula. He began his career as a special officer as well. What year was that? >> 04. and then became a full-time officer in 2006. He has served in the patrol operations, K9 operations, and then in his current role, which is a supervisory
uh assignment. He's a member of the New Jersey State Police Detect and render task force. Uh he's a recipient recipient of numerous awards and accommodations for service and bravery. His dedication to leadership and commitment has earned him this promotion.
Next would be uh Sergeant Latchaw, which is in the back here. He was appointed to a full-time officer in 2020. Served in patrol operations, boardwalk supervisor, and then the detective bureau. Uh currently serves as the EV evidence custodian, Megan's law leazison, and the
background investigator. He's recognized for his investigative work, professionalism, and commitment to service. Jeff's work eth ethic is and dedication to leadership have prepared him well for the responsibilities that he's going to take on as a sergeant. And
then lastly, lastly, Officer Michael. He began his career in 2023, so not that long ago as a class two officer. He's been served on the boardwalk. He's been in our schools and now currently in a patrol assignment. He's demonstrated professionalism, dedication, and strong
work ethic. We look forward to his continued growth and contributions to the uh town and everybody around here. So congratulations to all of our four officers on their welldeserved achievements and continued service to the borrow.
>> Thanks so much. They need a microphone. >> Please repeat after me. I, Scott, >> I, Scott, >> do solemnly swear >> domly swear >> that I will support the Constitution >> that I will support the Constitution >> of the United States >> of the United States >> and the State of New Jersey >> the state of New Jersey
>> that I will bear true faith >> that I will bear true faith >> and allegiance to the and allegiance to the same >> and to the governments established >> and to the governments established >> in the United States >> in the United States >> and in this state >> and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people >> that I will faithfully >> that I will faithfully
>> impartially >> and partially >> and justly perform >> and justly perform >> all the duties >> all the duties >> of the office of police captain >> of the office of police captain >> according to the best of my ability >> according to the best of my ability >> and that I will not use my office >> and that I will not use my office >> to grant preferential treatment
>> to grant preferential treatment >> nor to personal gain >> or receive personal gain >> favor >> favor >> or advantage >> or advantage >> not available to the general public >> not available to the general public >> so help me God Congratulations. >> Congratulations. Take a little short.
I, Kyle >> I, Kyle, >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution >> That I will support the Constitution >> of the United States >> of the United States >> and the State of New Jersey >> of the state of New Jersey >> that I will bear true faith >> that I will bear true faith >> and allegiance to the and the allegiance of the same
>> and to the governments established >> and to the governments established >> in the United States >> in the United States >> and in this state >> and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people >> and that I will faithfully >> and I will faithfully >> impartially >> impartially >> and justly perform >> and justly perform >> all the duties >> all the duties
>> of the office of police lieutenant >> of the office of police lieutenant >> according to the best of my ability >> according to the best of my ability >> and that I will not use my office >> that I will not use my office >> to grant preferential treatment >> to grant preferential treatment >> nor to seek personal gain >> nor to seek personal game. >> Favor or advantage? >> Favor or advantage.
>> Not available to the general public. >> Not available to the general public. >> So be done. >> So be done. >> Congratulations. I think I got >> How precious. >> I, Jeffrey Latch, >> I, Jeffrey Latch, >> domly swear >> do solemnly swear
>> that I will support the Constitution >> that I will support the Constitution >> of the United States. of the United States >> and the state of New Jersey >> and and the state of New Jersey >> that I will bear true faith >> that I will bear true faith >> and allegiance to the same >> and allegiance to the same >> and to the governments established >> and to the governments established
>> in the United States >> in the United States >> and in this state >> and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people >> and that I will faithfully >> and that I will faithfully >> impartially >> impartially >> and justly perform >> and justly perform >> all the duties >> all the duties
>> of the office of police sergeant >> of the office of police sergeant according to the best of my ability. >> according to the best of my ability. >> And that I will not use my office. >> And that I will not use my office >> to grant preferential treatment >> to grant preferential treatment >> nor to seek personal gain >> nor to seek personal gain.
>> favor or advantage. >> Favor or advantage. >> Not available to the general public. >> Not available to the general public. So I'll be done. CONGRATS. I, Michael Kajki, >> I, Michael Kajki, >> do solemnly swear >> domly swear
>> that I will support the Constitution >> I will support the Constitution >> of the United States >> and the State of New Jersey >> the state of New Jersey >> that I will bear true faith >> I will bear true >> and allegiance to the same >> allegiance to the and to the governments established >> to the government established
>> in the United States >> and in this state >> under the authority of the people >> the authority of the people >> and that I will faithfully >> impartially >> and justly perform >> all the duties >> all the duties >> of the office of police officer >> the office of police officer
>> according to the best of my ability >> according to the best of my ability >> and that I will not use my office >> that I will not use my office >> to grant preferential treatment >> to grant preferential treatment to seek personal gain. >> Favor or advantage
>> not available to the general public. >> Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations everybody. Uh you guys could stay if you want or you could uh now's a good time to leave unless you want to hear about fairies. >> Oh, get back up.
>> Five minute recess. >> All right, we're going to take a uh a fivem minute recess. >> Do we have proclamation? >> We have Mike. Do we need a motion for that? >> Should we just do the proclamation? >> Mike, should we do the proclamations
first? two seconds. >> All right, they're both here. >> Yeah, they're here. Let's get that. >> Just change that. >> You want to call you doing >> you always do that now? >> Say that. No recess yet. >> Just tell you guys leave.
>> Let when everyone's done. Yeah. Bye. Good night. Byebye. >> All right, we're going to do uh we're going to do proclamations now. Uh and then we're going to take a fiveminute recess after that. All right. >> Uh, Sage Sakowitz.
>> Um, so we'll I'll read the proclamation and then Sage, you'll come up and we'll take a picture. Um, and we'll post it in the uh the Ocean Star. >> All right. Whereas in each high school academic year and in every Ocean County
high school and vocational technical school, the Ocean County Mayors Association upon recommendation of the Ocean County Superintendent Roundt selection committee chooses members of the senior class who have distinguished themselves by academic
achievement and interest in history, government, and community involvement as mayor scholars. And whereas since its inception in 1994, the Ocean County Mayors Association Scholarship Award program has provided over $877,000
in individual scholarship awards to students worthy of distinction and recognition of their efforts. And whereas Sage Sakowitz, Point Pleasant Beach High School senior, was selected as worthy of the recognition as a mayor scholar for the year 2026 and was
awarded a scholarship on May 18, 2026. And whereas the mayor scholar distinction recognizes Sage's personal dedication and effort towards individual educational achievement. And whereas the Ocean County Mayor's Association is among 18 local organizations to
recognize Sage with a scholarship. And whereas Sage, a standout student athlete, is also a recipient of the principal top 10 student medals validictorian award award and garnacle education gold award. was a W OBM 92.7
student of the week and achieves highest academic performance in AP literature, AP statistics, and AP biology. Now therefore, on the 16th day of June, 2026, I, Douglas Vital, mayor of the B of Point Pleasant Beach, County of Ocean State of New Jersey, by virtue of the
authority vested in me as mayor of Point Pleasant Beach, along with the borrow council, do proudly recognize Sage Sakowitz as a 2026 mayor Scholar, do celebrate her many amazing achievements and do wish her all the best in her future endeavors.
I don't know. >> Oh boy. code. That's it. >> Okay. Our next recipient of the proclamation is Landon Hobberman. Whereas Landon Hobberman, a student at Point Pleasant Beach High School, was appointed as the first ever student
liaison to the Point Pleasant Beach Environmental Commission in 2025. And whereas Landanda was instrumental in the adop in the adoption of the Point Pleasant Beach Ordinance 2026-11, which is among the first in the nation to regulate debris, dust, and other
contaminants that traditionally come from construction sites. And whereas Landon was named New Jersey State Board of Education Student of the Year and Ocean County Standout Student. And whereas Landon is a recipient of the New Jersey Governor's Environmental Excellence Emerging Leader Award, the
National Dillard Teen Award, New Jersey Governor's Volunteerism Service Through STEM Award, New Jersey Clean Communities Excellence in Education Award, and the Ocean County Board of Commissioners Award. And whereas Landon founded the global student environmental ambassador
SEA program and reduce hashtag reduce by request sustainable restaurant program served as a clean o ocean action student environment advocate and leader and co-chared an H2 200 US youth leadership council committee and whereas Landon is
a varsity soccer team captain as well as the recipient of many 2026 underclassman academic awards. including second place personal financial literacy at the New Jersey DECA State Career Development Conference, Garnet Gaul Education Gold
Award, highest academic performance in AP Literature, AP Microeconomics, AP Calculus, AB, AP Human Geography and Spanish 4, as well as the highest total points math league. Now therefore, on
this 16th day, June 2026, the governing body of the burough of Point Pleasant Beach, County of Ocean, State of New Jersey, does hereby recognize and congratulate Landon Hobberman on his numerous accomplishments and contributions to the local and global environment. Take a picture.
>> Thank you. Thank you. >> Congratulations to both of you and I wish you much success in the future. Um, >> can I ask we're going to do a fivem minute recess? >> Um, if if you'd like. Guys, let's do that now. We're going to take a quick
5minute recess. >> What's up? If you guys would like us to be right. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Where's John? Excuse me. >> Folks, uh to use the technical term, we're not going to take a recess. We're
going to recess into executive session just uh to resume the discussion that we had earlier. Uh we don't expect it to be longer than 5 minutes or so. Um so it'll be up to the council to make a motion to enter. >> Make a motion to go into close session. >> I'll second that.
>> Um it's a continuation of the discussion on uh ferry ordinance. >> All in favor? I Sorry, >> sorry. I didn't see Good luck.
She just started anymore. I guess I didn't Yeah. So they're volunteer. Even there was nobody there. >> Yeah.
trying to change it. We need No, I know >> I just think We were on the other side. And of course, Hello. I Our
next meeting. This is >> I'm All right. I'm surprised. Yes. Why would you do that? It's really It's really
I'm trying to think You want it up or down? I >> think we should wait for them to come back to do the uh do the ordinance. >> Wait for them to come back. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> And you going to
>> No. Okay. >> We'll wait for them to get back. >> Mike and Joe. Oh, where' they go? >> Have discussion. I was saying this can be an easy mistake. Please come here. Huh?
I was going like this. says, >> right? >> In our municipal code. I know that service should be commercial. Am I allowing you?
>> Okay. >> Uh, we're back. I'm going to ask for a motion to suspend the current agenda and move the ordinances up so we could discuss them now. Can make it a motion for the >> I'll make that motion. >> I'll second.
All in favor? >> I I Okay, mayor. So, uh based upon the council just making that motion, um I think the there's two ordinances on for uh second reading public hearing. I won't steal Eileen's thunder any
further, but perhaps we do the first one, which I think is uh going to be a little less popular than the second one. >> Uh we're going to do 17 first. >> Yeah. >> Ordinance 202617, ordinance amending chapter 9A-6
of the burough code titled schedule 6 time limit parking. >> And I'll open that up to public participation hearing. None. Can I get a motion to close and adopt? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> Karen. >> Councilman Dixon.
>> Yes. >> Councilwoman Burns. >> Yes. >> Council Ramos. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Silson. >> Yes. >> Council Cortez. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, that ordinance has been adopted. And then there is ordinance 2026 18
ordinance regulating ferry commutation services. >> Okay. So before we uh open it up for a public hearing, uh the governing body has been addressing several different aspects of the ordinance uh obtaining legal advice on it. Uh the one issue
that uh was discussed and is to be considered here is the master plan consistency review conducted by the planning board. Uh the point uh Point Buzza Beach planning board held a meeting on June 8th to review this ordinance for consistency with the
master plan. Uh the board attorney wrote the governing body and advised that section two of the proposed ordinance that would modify um the definitions to include ferry commutation service as a marine service to allow for commutation ferry service as a permitted use in the
MC zone as being consistent with the burrow's master plan. Uh so that portion of the ordinance which is clearly a development regulation uh the planning board found to be consistent. The second is um a report that the remainder of the
proposed ordinance is inconsistent with the master plan and the board does not endorse the adoption of same as proposed. The planning board prefers that an owner applicant for any such use in the MC zone or any other zone within the burrow apply for and obtain site plan approval and any necessary
variances waiverss from the land use board with proper jurisdiction to review such land use application. Referring back to the ordinance itself, uh this is clearly a reference to the uh provision in the ordinance that allows
for a temporary lensure of a um a ferry service uh without having to obtain site plan approval. that is specifically section three of the ordinance titled transition provisions uh based upon the governing body's discussion in executive session um and in accordance with
NJSA45D-26 um I believe it's the governing body's uh intention to propose a motion that would amend the ordinance and remove that section 3 uh containing that temporary provision essentially um acquiescing to the planning board's
feedback and agreeing with it that that is inconsistent with the master plan and should not be part of the ordinance under consideration. >> Thank you for that clarification. >> So I think at this point the governing body could consider a motion to amend the ordinance as I just mentioned to remove section three titled transition
provisions. >> Can I get a motion? >> Wait section three is >> I would make that motion to remove section three with the temporary provision of the ordinance >> section. Second that. >> Thank you. Councilman Dixon.
>> No. >> Councilwoman Burns. >> Yes. >> Council Ramos. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Silson. >> Now, I just want to um understand this a little bit better. May I may I speak about that right now?
>> Okay. So section three trans transition provisions notwithstanding within 14 days of adoption of this ordinance the governing body shall possess the authority to issue a temporary license. So essentially we are removing our ability to issue a temporary license.
>> Correct. >> So far so correct. Correct. >> Okay. Um and then that so then we're taking out section 3 A, B, and C. Correct. >> And that's what we're voting on now. We're we're voting now to remove that. >> Correct. >> And then we're going to take a second vote on the ordinance
>> after we do public. We're to adopt the ordinance. >> Okay. Correct. >> Yes. So I would like to take that out of this right now and then we'll vote to adopt or not adopt. Okay. >> Yes. >> Council Cortez. >> No.
>> Okay. So that's three yeses. >> Okay. Um, I would be of the mindset that the motion passes in so far as the governing body is concurring with the planning board. So there isn't a supermajority requirement because it's not overriding
the planning board. It's essentially agreeing with it. The other thing I would note is that um the other section of the ordinance uh section uh one ferry commutation service is a lensure and that is not a municipal annu law provision that is the governing body and
its police powers regulating ferry. So that would not have been subject to master plan consistency review. So there is now an amended ordinance um pursuant to the governing body's action which the mayor you can now open for public hearing if you'd like. Okay, I'll open
this up to public comment. >> Mom, there's got to be somebody. >> You don't understand. Marie, I didn't >> say state your state your name and address. Are are you making a comment? >> Well, yeah, but if you want to explain I can explain this. >> I'm happy. Sure. Sure. Okay, folks. So
this ordinance is was drafted based upon what we placed on the record at the last meeting. Uh and it has three parts. One of which was just taken out of the ordinance. The first one is a lensure requirement for ferry commutation
services. Right now there's nothing in your code book that says that you can't operate a ferry without getting permission from the mayor and council. If this provision is adopted, it would require anyone to obtain a license to operate a ferry in Point Pleasant Beach,
just like you have for operating a taxi service, other things that require permits. And your mayor and council have the discretion whether or not to issue that license or not. And without that provision, there isn't a police power provision that prohibits the operation of a ferry. So this gives your elected
officials the ability to regulate uh the potential operation of feries that you don't have right now. The second provision is clarifying the marine commercial zone. Um in that zone there is currently a permitted use of
marine services such as dockage, boat hauling, sales and repairs, marine services, and equipment sales. Uh the amendment clarifies that that definition of marine service would in fact include a ferry commutation service but only if
it obtains a license from the mayor and council. So as of right now it would be a uh a legal call whether marine service includes a ferry service and that could ultimately be adjudicated through your zoning officer, planning board, zoning
board. This clarifies that it includes a ferry, but only if it obtains a license from the governing body. So, if there's no license, it's not a permitted use. That is still in the proposed ordinance. The last substantive section was the transition provision, which would have
been the governing body saying that there is going to be um the ability to issue a temporary license without having to go to the planning board for site plan approval. the mayor and council just voted to take that out of the ordinance in light of the planning board
providing its feedback saying that they felt that was inconsistent with the master plan. So under this current ordinance, the only way for if it were adopted, the only way for a ferry commutation service to operate is if they get a license from this governing body and if they go to the planning board for site plan approval and get
both. >> Mike, these these are major changes to the ordinance that these people have been came to this meeting to hear. I don't see how we could allow this. It's It's not right. Those are major major changes to the ordinance that these people came here to speak about today.
They haven't had time to digest it. Just had a lady come up. She has no clue what you guys are talking about. >> So, it's just wrong, guys. I'm telling you right now, this this is all wrong. >> I'm very comfortable speaking to whatever you like from a legal standpoint. I respect your zealousness,
councilman, on this particular issue. But in terms of the amendment that was just made, it was simply the governing body agreeing with the planning board's recommendation, which I think the municipal annu law contemplates. >> Yeah. So, in other words, we would not be issuing them a temporary permit,
which we would were considering previously. This is now creating an ordinance in Plain Pleasant Beach for ferry services. They would still have to go get a license from us. And in this case, they would also have to get a site plan,
which previously we were considering exempting them from. >> Correct. >> They would also have to get approval for this from the planning board. Okay. My problem is not necessarily with that those changes. My problem is that in
January, we changed the process to pass an ordinance up here. We made it, it went from two meetings, we changed it to three meetings. The first meeting we authorize our burough attorney to draft an ordinance. The second meeting would be the first reading. The third meeting
would be for the final adoption of that ordinance. What we did here in an unprecedented move was we skipped at the first meeting we introduced an ordinance by title only. That's like introducing a
book by title only with no words in it. So now this is our second meeting, not our third. It's our second meeting about this and this is the public's first chance to publicly opine on this ordinance and compounding that we are
making significant changes to it. So I don't have a problem necessarily with this and I absolutely love the idea of the sea streak and I would also like to speak to that briefly. tremendous value to this town. I mean, I just can't speak
high enough about that and all the concerns and whatever I feel like could be ironed out. Um, my problem is that the public has not had their due process to speak on this ordinance on our own process. That's where I run into
>> we're going to give them the chance now. And it's been published minus the small changes we made today. It's been published for a while. >> Yes. But not publicly opine. not get it on the record and they're just they're going to wing it right now. They're just they're reading it right now. Like this
is not presented to them to read over. We're we're verballing. >> We're essentially removing one section. >> Correct, Mike? We're just moving removing one section. >> You guys supported it. Yeah, you took out the transition provision. >> So, we're just rem we're not redoing the entire ordinance. We're not cutting it
up and and editing it. We're just removing one ordinance. >> That's right. I'm I still disagree with that the public only will have a chance tonight to talk on this. That's where I constantly get, believe me, I would love to say yes to this, but I just can't get
even if I don't necessarily agree with everything the public's saying, I have to give them their due process. If I was sitting in the audience tonight as a member of the public, I'd be totally upset with the council for like fasttracking this even though it's for
such a great economic boost to our town. >> Well, we were talking about adding a special meeting if we needed one perhaps, right? So, couldn't we have that then be the the final reading and adoption? >> Just just another point too, Councilwoman, is is the public has had
the the option of hearing about this and opining on this. They did and I was not at the the first meeting that you guys did, but then a lot of the public I'm on the planning board. Okay. And I was at the planning board meeting and I agreed with the planning board and they they
were very opinionated on how they felt about it and what they were focused on and the and the planning board listened to their concerns. The planning board heard their concerns and the planning board ruled. What we're simply doing is we're following the directive of the planning board, the recommendations of
the planning board to basically say that there is no temporary provision. This council doesn't have the ability to give a temporary license. Okay? And what that interprets to for you folks in the audience is there's no free trial. There's no trial period. That's not going to happen. If you want to have a
ferry in this town, you got to follow the process and you got to follow the rules and that's it. Period. End of story. So, so again, I think that there was an additional opportunity that we're we're not looking at the fact that the planning board did opine on this and review this and it was a lengthy meeting
and it was a there was a lot of discussion. >> Yeah, but you're not following the process. >> You're not following the process. You want to jump start this right to a planning board and let them go back over. That's not how the process is supposed to go. Got something right here. I'll explain what the process is supposed to be that we're bending over
backwards to ignore. And this is this is everything on here. This is what you're supposed to do when you want to propose a ferry operation as the ordinance currently stands. Submit a zoning application including the proposed site plans detailing the proposed use. Any
any modifications to the existing structure, parking and circulation changes, any other site improvements, architect architectural plans required if modifications are made to the structure. Number two, con conduct zoning review
and refer the application to the zoning board for the required use variance and site plan approval due to the proposed change and intensification intensification of use. >> John, where are you reading right now? I'm sorry. >> This is from our zoning official.
>> Oh, okay. um complete a review by the board's professional and consideration of application by the zoning board. If approved, plans are submitted to ensure compliance with all conditions approved for final review and sign off. If any
altercations are proposed to the existing structure or to the property, such as converting the interior of the existing building into a passenger terminal or a staging area, the applicants must attain all flood plan approvals, uniform construction code permits prior
to commencing such work. What we're doing now is taking this and put it in the garbage. >> So what? That's an ordinance. >> It means nothing. It means that's an ordinance. >> It's not an ordinance. Those are the rules of the from the zoning official
what the process is to get this to work. You guys are taking this. I'm doing it right now. I'm throwing it right in the garbage. >> And I could see what you guys are doing. >> I could see following that for a restaurant that turns into a banquet hall or something else. This is still up to several people's interpretation.
Even if we need this zoning official who is our professional, >> she is our professional here. Whether you agree with her or disagree agree with her, there's a process that you have to go through. It isn't like, oh, I agree with our disagree with our zoning, so I'm going to ignore what she says and
do whatever we want. That's not how it's supposed to work. We're fasttracking this and violating all our rules. I've never seen anything like it. I said it last time and I'll say it again. This is nuts. We have these professionals to go
over what the plan is, to look over the site plans, to go in front of the different boards. These are our safety nets. Each one of those things they have to go through checks everything, make sure it's right, make sure it's a fit, make sure the people are happy, make
sure it covers it. We're doing nothing. We're doing nothing. You just put change an ordinance with some major changes >> to try to fit this in again. And it's this is this is this is ridiculous. >> We're not doing nothing, John. If we were doing nothing, then they wouldn't go in front of the planning board the
first time and now go back the second time. So, we are following our boards. And >> we're supposed to go for a use variance with the zoning for a D1 variance. It's a use. You're bypassing that. If you allow the ferry to be a use in that zone, and
I'm saying that it shouldn't be down the road, but if you bypass that now, you jump ahead and allow that to be a use, you're eliminating the use for the DE1 variance and they can go straight to the planning board. You're cutting out a whole section of our safety zone of of our professionals to look over
everything that they did to make sure it's on the up and up. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be, but you guys, and I mean most of you up here, want to rush this in. You want to give these guys their summer season without going through the rules. They had to go through every one of these
rules when they did their stuff up in the Highlands, but Point Pleasant Beach is going to stay the hell with it. We gave them a special council meeting a week and a half ago that us taxpayers paid for. We paid for it. They didn't pay anything. What are we doing here? >> I would also say Highlands is a very
different I don't care about that right now. We paid $2,370 to have a special council meeting just for our professionals to be here to listen to their story because they didn't do what the rules are supposed to be. And then that's not counting what it cost Mike to uh write up the ordinance.
Plus, who knows how many hours you, Joe, Mike, uh Ray Savacol spent talking about this. It had to be hours and hours and hours. We shouldn't even be hearing this. It's supposed to go in front of the boards. They hear this stuff. We
shouldn't be hearing any of this. We're We're just flinging this in the air and say, "Let's try this. Let's eliminate this off our ordinance. Let's do that." Up until the other day, you were telling me you were parking cars at Stewarts and Chefs International. You can't do that. And then you come back and say, "Oh,
okay. Forget that idea. Our zoning board says our zoning officer says we can't do that." No kidding. Why don't you ask her in the first place? You didn't. This is a joke. This is absolutely ridiculous. It really is. So, you're a no, John. That's fine. You're a no.
>> So, you're a no. I think it's a no. But, John, >> and I'm not done yet. Go ahead. >> All right. Are you Are you are in favor of us um passing an ordinance about the ferry? >> No, because you're by passing the rules. You're supposed to go in front of the zoning board. They get a used fairance.
By passing, they're allowing it in the use. You skip that. You go right to the planning board. And who's on the planning board? two or three people that already said a yes on this thing. Come on. >> Well, I don't have a vote. This is a show. Don't worry about that. So, now if you don't pass this ordinance, New York waterway could come. >> We haven't had it for over 150 years
here. They go all of a sudden they're going to cram their boat down. They're going to bring their boat no matter what. If they want to bring their boat, there's nothing we can do about it. Except give them a fine. They if they're making 10, 15, 20 grand and their fine's $1,000, I'll pay that every week and show up every week dumping people into
the neighborhood when you got all these people saying we don't want it in our neighborhood. That's what you want to do, you guys. Go right ahead. But this is nonsense. This is nonsense. >> But shouldn't we have an ordinance on the book? For one reason, we should. >> Well, because I don't think sea street I
mean hopefully they're not going to go away. Hopefully they we need to have this so we >> when they go through the process and everything works out great. God bless them. >> But the process is something separate from having a ferry ordinance. >> Why what's the Russia When's the last time a council changed the um
the the uh master plan up here? When's the last time it's been done? >> That was Kenetra. >> No, that wasn't that wasn't changing the use. >> That was changing the zone. This is changing the use. It's never I don't think it's ever happened, but we're doing it tonight. >> But the planning board approved it. >> The planning board agreed.
>> Yeah. But he also said they also said they have to go through the pro they didn't go through the process. >> Okay. >> They haven't even Hey, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. >> What has Sea Street and Captain Bill submitted so far to our to our professionals? What are they submitted? >> They're waiting for >> nothing. They submitted nothing.
>> Is that true? >> I want to start a business in town. We're going to open up I I'll give you a perfect example. I want to I'm going to rent a shop over here on Ocean Avenue. >> I'm going to go in. I'm going to open up and start my business. A week or two later, someone from the
town, what are you doing here? Oh, I opened up a shop. Oh, you know, you got to get this, this, and that. Oh, I didn't know that. Like they're saying. Oh, I didn't know that. No one believes that. I know that. I didn't know that. Okay. Well, come back next week with all the proper paperwork. Okay. They don't
come in or or people go over again. Where were you? We were waiting for you for the last week. Uh, you know, my partner has an issue and I didn't get a hold of my lawyer. Okay. Well, come in next week. You got to get stuff. You can't can't just open up a business. any way you want to do it. Next week comes,
they still don't have it. Oh, we're going to start finding you. Okay, fine. Start finding me $300 a day. I'm making a th000 here. Tell me $300 all day long. Next thing you know, September, the guy locks the door, leaves, and never see the end of it. This is what these guys could do. >> So, what happens when a boat with 70
people show up tomorrow and dock at at Captain Bill's lot and go to Reds or go to Shrimp Box or >> We're not allowing it. We're not allowing it. And mayor we're giving our blessings with this. >> It's not it's not 500. >> We're giving our blessings passes 500. >> That's what we have to
>> Well, I don't think we I don't think we have to. I mean, I don't Look, if 500 people come, that's great for the town, but I don't think we're going to get that. But so so what's the difference? So what's the difference if a large ship comes a large boat comes and dumps 70 people off at the shrimp box, at the patio bar, at rest?
>> They can do it anytime they want. >> So what's >> what's the difference? Because we're okay in it. That's the difference. any boat could pull up to any dock and dump as many people as they want. We're we're given the the free argument there. >> See, I'm okay with this ordinance, but my problem is the public the timing with
the public. They don't have the time to process this in the order that we made our own system this year specifically to slow it down so we have more processing time >> because we want to hear from the public, which is actually what I really want to do right now. I really want to hear from
the public. What are they? Yeah, >> because this makes them go to the planning board. >> This company admits have known this nine months ago they were talking about doing. They're admitting to nine months. Most likely it's even longer than that. >> But even it was nine months. What did they submit in the nine months to this town to say, "Hey, maybe should we check with this? See if it's okay. We
nothing." The people that own the the business over there have gotten who knows how many variances and everything site plans when they turned it into a fuel dock and a bait shop and apartments and everything else. >> Three, John. >> Three. So, they know, >> but they walked in here, but
>> it's Bill's land in hand going like, "Oh, I didn't know how to do that. Come on, give me a break." >> All right, I guess we'll open it up to public. >> All right, public. We want to hear from you guys. >> Darl, >> oh, do you still want to come up and make a comment? >> Yes.
>> Okay, might want to remind us. >> There's no time limit on this. >> Well, >> correct, Mike. >> Yeah, >> I'll settle in it. Mary Alice Canella 74B Inlet Drive. >> Can you please spell uh spell your name
for me, please? >> K I N S E L L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L A >> and what drive? I'm sorry. >> 74B Inlet. >> Inlet. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Okay. Um as you've noted, we looked at the ordinance that was proposed. I had a lot
of comments on the ordinance that may or may not be relevant anymore given the last minute change on it. >> Well, we only took out that just a small section. Yeah, I had a lot of comments on that section as well. So, >> I have a lot of comments on the rest of it as well, but um >> I get so I'll start with the ordinance
and I'll kind of go back to what my other comments were. I mean, I personally feel like this ordinance is rushed. It's incomplete. It's way too vague to address really any of the concerns that have been raised by the >> Can you be specific when Okay.
>> Yes. Right. um you know when the planning board said that they agreed to add um that ferry service is something that could be added in the MC commercial zone they didn't do it in a detailed fashion that addressed all the aspects of what the licensing
should entail and this statute should address that. I mean right now it's just essentially saying you file an application there's a group of people that are going to look at it a license is going to be issued there's really like a a der of information. I mean, there's
just nothing in the ordinance. It it's basically we'll do this, we'll do that, maybe we'll do this, maybe we won't do that. Um, I mean, it just to me, here were some of the highlights for me. It's like, and this is actually a question I have for the attorney and for I guess anybody especially that's on the
planning board. My understanding was that the planning board had a concern not just with the temporary aspect of the license but the fact that there were elements of this ordinance that eliminate the obligation to come for site plan approval before the license is issued. So one of the sections of the
ordinance in it's uh 6-16.3D is in dog says alternatively the applicant may request lensure conditioned upon subsequent re receipt of land use approval. So again I don't know how you guys came to the
interpretation that all the planning board was concerned with was the temporary aspect. I think it's the lack of application to the planning board that is an issue in general. So, I don't see how this ordinance can go forward and not be in violation of the van
planning board's position with that provision still in it. Um, the the fee is not set. It says there's a $10,000 fee, but then it also says that it can be reduced by the governing body, but it doesn't say why or how or who makes that determination. Um it says that there can
be reimbursement of municipal costs but it doesn't require that as part of the operation of the ferry. And then it goes on to say and the fee can actually be reduced by the amount that the business has to pay to operate the ferry. >> Can you I'm sorry. Can you repeat that part about what did you say to say about
the insurance? >> No, it it says re like the reimbursement of municipal costs like >> this is 16 six-16.5 license fees. You're you're talking about >> uh it's in let's see >> six insurance.
>> Oh, under insurance. >> No, no, no. This is under um the license. It's 16 uh sorry 6-16.5. It says the governing body shall have the authority to reduce the fee and/or establish a contractual agreement with
the license holder to reimburse municipal costs incurred as a result of the services provided by the license holder in lie of all or a portion of the license fee to be memorialized by resolution of the governing body. So I mean again it's
>> license holder >> from my perspective it's so vague. It lacks so much detail. It lacks so many protections. You know, the penalty that's in here is $1,000 per day. That's not even a deterrent. You've got a boat that's going to make 18 trips. You're
saying the license is supposed to be $10,000. So now instead of it being $10,000, it's $18,000. They don't get a license, they just show up, they pay $1,000 a day fine and they paid $18,000 and they do what they want to do without following any of the procedures or the rules. I mean my feeling is the fee
needs to be sign or the penalty for violating the ordinance needs to be much higher than that. There's no provisions included as to how the operations and the impacts are going to be monitored and who based on what criteria is going to make a determination that the
operation is working or not working. Um, and in general, there's nothing in the statute that says that there's going to be a limit on the number of licenses, there be any kind of limit on the number of passengers, what the days, a limit on the days of operation, the number of trips that are going to be allowed. I
mean, is that all part of the application? Is that part of what's going to be a restriction on the license when it's issued? Again, that the ordinance does not address any of that. So, that's my those are my concerns with the ordinance. Um, I guess, you know, in
general, I I kind of feel along the lines of some of the other comments that were made by the council members tonight. Like, I don't know why we're here. I don't know how we got to this point. We have a third-party out of town business that is experienced in ferry
operation. And yet, they seemingly had no idea that you couldn't just pull a 500 passenger ferry into a tiny dock on a residential street. and worse didn't even bother to ask if they needed any kind of approvals. Like I don't
understand why we're going out of our way to accommodate this use. We've never had a ferry here before, right? And and again, this may come as disguise. I'm not against a ferry. I can see the benefits of a ferry. I have a daughter that lives in the city. Her and her friends come down here. I can see them
using this service, but it needs to be done the proper way. It shouldn't be rushed. I understand. I believe Highlands spent months and months and months crafting an ordinance to address ferry operations so that it would be done in the proper way. We've spent two
weeks on this on an ordinance that is just really devoid of anything that really protects the people that live on those streets and in any area where a ferry would would be docking. I mean, it just seems that this business has come here. They've decided this is what they
want to do. This is where they're going to do it. and they're kind of thumbming their nose at the residents and the town and the planning board and everybody else. They're just going to do what they want to do and we're here trying to make that easier for them. I just I do not understand that. I don't understand why we're here. I don't understand why we're
bending over backwards to accommodate a business that should have known better. It's not fair to anyone sitting up there. It's not fair to anybody sitting out here. It's not fair to the planning board. And it's it's really inconsiderate and really irresponsible to the residents to be proceeding in
this way. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Mike. Just one clarification. A lot of the specifics that were mentioned in those comments that could be put into the license agreement. Correct. >> Like the board actually
>> or would that be the or would that be the board? >> No, we're not writing it as we go. We're the mayor's asking me for clarification. So it does it belong it shouldn't belong in this ordinance. It should belong in any license that we give out. >> Yeah. I mean the ordinance sets the broad parameters on what is subject to
lensure and it gives you guys the authority to impose particular conditions. I think the analogy to a liquor licenses is very fair in terms of what title 33 of the New Jersey statutes and what your ordinances say. You can impose special conditions on a particular liquor license holder, you
know, given the nature of that license. And that's typically how a licensing regime works. >> Okay. Thank you, Daryl. >> Daryl Monosel, 419 Arbut Drive. >> Uh Dixon, I am 100% in favor of not paying for what we're here for. This is
when you reference a D1 variance, that's for a change of use. Our variance, our ordinance does not say anything about fries. So they don't need a permit based on what our ordinance today says. You're saying you went to the zoning officer and the office zoning officer said you
had to do this this this. Yes. That's a change of ordinance. Let's say if you want to put a bar somewhere where a hairdresser is or a service of of town. It's not in our ordinance. So you have to go in front of a board of adjustments or the planning board. Depends on which one. I go in front of a lot of them. So
that's what you cited to the rest of the public is not correct. If it's not defined in our code book, it's deemed prohibited. >> No, it's not. Yes, it is. >> No, it's not. Absolutely not. Correct. Right. >> You said an ordinance. You said it the D1 variance. >> Mhm. >> Okay.
>> Right. Change of view. >> So, the Marine Commercial back in 19 whatever when it started, >> it has a dock. What do Andy? >> That dock. >> What do docks do? I just want to answer to that, please. >> A boat docks. >> All right. What does it do? Lets people on and let people off. That's a
definition of a dock. Well, Darl, this is where I would might disagree with you because they, in my understanding, they would have the right to that boat has the right to dock there. The problem is >> it's a fuel dock. >> The uh trans uh what do you call it?
>> That's not in our ordinance. Nowhere in our >> in their specific site plan for that property. >> No, you do not. Not if you could you can't like say you own Reds at the time and a boat came in with 40 people >> and says, "I want to eat at Red's Lob I want to eat at Red's lobster pot." You going to let him get off the boat or you
going to say no, you have to stay on the boat? >> This is a different service. >> No, it's not. It's an excursion. We're >> talking about if we had a permanent Can I talk? Can I talk? If we had a permanent If we had a permanent terminal, absolutely. D1
variance would be required. Okay. Because there are parkings and stuff. This is basically an 18. It's about 4% 365 days out of the year. They're trying they're coming down here 18 times. >> It's not a drastic thing. Just like we brought in the near wall that to have a great thing. Everybody was there. We
didn't have to get a variance for that. >> Everybody loved it. We even had parties in the in the parking lots of fisherman supply. >> But Daryl, if he disagrees with the zoning code, the proper place to do that, that's the that's actually a prerequisite to going in front of like the planning board. >> It's a permitted use. It's a permitted
use to let people We have water taxis in town that that get people off and on to the docks. Do they not? Well, I mean, I don't want to start looking into the water taxi. >> Well, I'm just saying we allow it. We had no one no one ever said boo about it. We allow it. But if the zoning, sir,
if the zoning officer taxis to get off and on the dock. >> Listen, I'm not on trial here, so calm down. >> I'm just asking you a question. >> Yes, they Yes, we do. >> Okay, that's all I asked. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, why are we identifying a furry who's trying to come and bring people into our town in a very economical way?
>> What's the capacity of the water taxi? Maximum capacity? >> It depends. 35 people. Okay. >> What's the maximum capacity of the boat they want to bring in? Do you know? >> But are they what is I'm asking about how an easy way and says how do you how do you max out how do you max them and say hey you could only bring in 100 people
>> versus going through this whole micromanagement of of a variance or an ordinance. We're microman the government's micromanaging for we're trying to prosper business bringing business into Point Pleasant Beach. We're a tourism community. Why wouldn't we be acceptable? We are a residential community.
>> We're also tourist destination. >> We're a tourist destination. Correct. We go from 5,000 people to 100,000 people. >> Okay. >> Do you really think 100 100 people is going to make a difference? >> No, it's not. >> Haven't had them here in forever. >> It doesn't make
>> I'm not opposed to the boat, >> but it doesn't make it process. >> Because you don't like it doesn't mean that it's not a permitted use to to allow people to go on and off a dock. >> Yeah. I I like it. I'm in. I like this >> or Well, it should never even be here >> because it's a dock.
>> It's a dock. >> It should be It should be in front of the planning board. >> No, only if it's a permanent permanent spot to let people on and off. We have boats coming into our ports constantly, letting people off and on. We have fishing boats that that rent space at at
the clam dock all the time. We have boats in and out of here all the time with people on it. >> So then why did they have to go in front of these other towns and get per permanent locations. They have three furries. You go to you go to Atlantic Highlands, there's multiple there. Hund there's thousands of cars there because
you know what? That's what they wanted in town. That was a D1 variance when they did that. They had the proper space for it. Everything. This is temporary. If they wanted a full-time terminal here, absolutely. It's a change of use because a terminal is not in there. A dock is that lets people on and off of
dock. I don't think this is bad for the community. >> Me neither. Being a business owner in town, multiple businesses in town, I think would be fantastic. There's people in New York City that don't have cars. They could chop on a ferry, come down to Point Pleasant Beach. They don't have to wait on a train for three hours. >> I agree. >> Or get him wait in traffic for three
hours. >> I had a person in my restaurant the other day and says, "This is fantastic. My mother I like to visit my mother every weekend, but every time I have to do that, I either have to go to travel metro station, then my mother has to pick me up." He goes, "Now I could visit my mother more often for $99."
>> It's temporary. Let's try it out. Why are we even here? Let's try it out. And if they they want to do a permanent terminal here, then let's do the proper let's go to a variance. But right now, our ordinance does not say Ray, even Ray Savoc, who who's always been the the god of zoning officers. He agreed with it.
The only one that didn't agree with it was a zoning officer just got her feet wet that's only been here about a year. Okay. >> She wrote that. >> She's been here a lot longer than year and a half. Relax. All right. Year and a half. There's probably some issues and we won't go there. Okay.
>> So, >> you probably have some personal issues with the zoning with other properties that you own. So, >> we're getting off we're getting off track here. >> We're getting off track. >> You know what? There is a difference between a ferry service and an excursion. And this is a ferry service.
>> It's not an excursion. >> Potato potato. It's a a dock that he's docking at >> just like fishing. area is a mode of public transportation used to get from one point to another on a regular schedule. This is a regular schedule. While an excursion is a guided roundtrip
leisurely activity to to uh or tour meant to entertain you. >> So if they change a schedule, say they they one Friday they're going to come here at 11:00, another Friday they're going to be at 1:00. Is that a change of schedule or should we just >> No, that's that's still a schedule. They're coming on Friday, coming on Sunday. Come on. >> Just like border taxes have schedules.
>> Go through the process. That's all I can tell. >> Go through the process. It's an ad. It's an ad use. >> I just don't think it's any different than a water taxi and any other stuff that we promoted. It's a dock. We have docks in this town. We are marine commercials. Everybody says, "Oh, marine commercial." When somebody wants to do
something else in a marine commercial, everybody goes, "Oh my god, it has to be marine commercial." Now it's marine commercial and everybody's going, "Oh, we shouldn't have it. We shouldn't have it. It's it's it's it's micromanaging a bad idea. It's micromanaging the ordinance." >> I'm not saying the only people that are going to make money here are the
professionals. It's I'm tired of it. It's It's all that happens in this town is that we always have to get the professionals involved and they spend countless ends of money for a good thing that that this guy could have in the town. I just it's it's you did you read my letter? >> Yes, I did.
>> Okay. Dixon, did you read my letter? >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. >> I didn't read it all because it was pretty long and you got into >> That's That's insulting. That's insulting. >> Yeah. Sorry about Sorry. >> Thank you. >> I already knew the history of Captain Arnold. I didn't have to read it.
>> All right, Andy, >> we're good. >> Dave Cavan Arrow, 118 Parkway. Good evening. >> Good evening. >> Just in response to the last speaker, I heard a lot of those arguments at the planning board meeting and a member of the board had the
perfect answer. We listen to everybody, but the one that's important that makes the decision is a zoning official. Everybody can have an opinion, but hers is the one that matters. Whether you like her or not, whether you agree with her or not, that's the one that you're supposed to follow. The second was, I
was going to thank two of you, but now I'm not so sure. What the planning board said was, "The remainder of the proposed ordinance is inconsistent with the burrow's master plan. Not one section. All of it. You took one section out that
I think is significant and you should reintroduce the ordinance, but everything else they said shouldn't be also. And yet you're saying you're following the planning board. You're not. >> Dave, can you read that one more time? What did it say? The remainder of the proposed ordinance is inconsistent with
the burrow's master plan and re-examination thereof and the board does not endorse the adoption of same as proposed. The planning board prefers that an owner part applicant for any such use in the MC zone or any other
zone within the burrow apply for and obtain the plan approval and any necessary variances design waiverss from the land use board with proper jurisdiction to review such >> when you said remainder what part >> did you want to say comment? >> Oh Mr. Cavanero is entitled to his
position on it. I just want to articulate what I said earlier into the record which is that the section on ferry lensure and if you read the preamble to the ordinance it's very clear that that was drafted not pursuant to the municipal land use law but pursuant to the municipality's police
powers to regulate a ferry and I think it's pretty clear that that section does not constitute a development ordinance which is subject to the planning board's review function under 4055D26. So that was placed on the record earlier. The governing body did address
the remaining critique from the planning board by removing the provision that they found offensive. >> Did you mention 4055? >> Yeah. >> Okay. 4055-d 20 site plan approval is the exclusive
right of the planning board and the board of adjustment. Nobody nobody else has the right to take it or to use it. And yet in this ordinance, you did it. You took out one section, but it's still there in the application process. >> That's not
>> so first off, planning board approval only exists as a as a a matter of the province of the governing body. If the governing body doesn't have an ordinance requiring site plan approval, there's no site plan approval. And second off, the lensure provision is very clear that the
applicant needs to ultimately have land use board approval in order for the license to be effective. So what that means is that if an if the governing body adopted this ordinance tonight and voted to give a license, that license does not have any effect unless or until
that applicant goes and gets planning board approval. So the planning board has full jurisdiction in the matter and in fact it reiterates its jurisdiction by requiring that approval. >> This ordinance says let's see 6-16.3 application approval.
Letter D includes the relevant land use approval. Letter E, the burrow administrator shall review the application with the panel consisting of burrow administrator, burrow attorney, burrow engineer, zoning officer, code officer, chief of police, and any other officers.
>> None of those people are supposed to be reviewing site plan review, >> that's being removed. >> No, no, no, it's not. No, it's not being removed. >> Subsection D covers that. It says that there needs to be land use approval either when you get your license or that if you get a license, it's conditioned
upon getting land use approval. So it's a two-step process. There's the lensure which is honestly an added step where if if this if this section were adopted, it's putting an extra burden on anyone who wants to operate a ferry service that does not exist today. And then you still have the land use issue which
exists today and is being addressed by requiring this license in order to potentially get that land use approval. >> I think Mr. Dixon made the point very well that before somebody gets a license from you, they're supposed to go to the
boards and get the D1 variance. And once there's a D1 variance, then you have the reason to go back and say, "We change the ordinance. We change the master plan." You're jumping the gun and reversing it. >> Well, the planning board has already said that they find that the
clarification of the marine service term to be consistent with it. The governing body sets the zoning in this town, not the planning board, not the zoning board. I don't set the zoning. I just draft an ordinance. And so if the governing body wants to clarify the terms of the definition of marine
service, that's their province. And that's what you guys have the right to comment on. >> Right. But the mayor and Councilman Ramos listened to what the board said and the board said everything except
the master plan approval of a ferry was out. They voted yes. You both agreed to it. Now you're saying no. I don't understand why. >> That's not true. >> That's not true. That's not true. >> That's not true. I I am I am following the directive of the planning board
which I which I was on and I voted on and and the it was agreed that that the uh uh ferry uh commutation service is within the m guys of the master plan. >> Yes. But then it also said the remainder
of the proposed ordinance is inconsistent with the borrowed master plan. And you voted for that. You agreed it's not consistent. And yet here you are. >> And yet here I am removing the part that was was the issue, the biggest issue.
And what what 90% of that meeting that I heard, okay, was that the issue with that specific site and that specific plan and that specific thing. And I I think I I even recall myself saying, I'm taking off my councilman hat right now and I'm putting on my right my my planning board hat. Okay. The the
question is, is this a application that's allowed in the marine commercial zone? The marine commercial zone includes inlet drive, channel drive, other areas, areas where there's bridges that there's no way a boat like this is going to ever go in. Okay? It's not a
cart blanch swipe of everything. But the offensive thing that that that my takeaway from that was was this section right here that is being removed. >> And with all due respect, I appreciate it was your takeaway, but it's not what they wrote. It's not what you voted. >> And we got an issue of want to change
your vote, you can. But I think then the people need to keep that in mind going forward. >> They can absolutely keep that in mind. Okay. Well, as long as I set up on this day, sir, I'm gonna do what I feel is best for the town, best for the residents, and people can remember that and the businesses and everything else.
So, I'm sorry. I'm sorry you feel that way, but in the same respect, I I I I understand what my role is here, and this is what I'm this is what I'm doing. >> The comment was made about the $10,000 fee. This ordinance allows you to
discriminate depending on who's coming from the license. A might pay the 10,000, B might pay less. That's discrimination. That's not legal. I don't know why you're even considering passing this with all of the problems
with it. Maybe the attorney doesn't agree. site plan management is not the exclusive use of the board, but New Jersey 40 cola colon 55D does and you still have it here. So my
suggestion since you are making I believe a significant change to the ordinance and it still has provisions that are contrary, you should vote this down. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Who's next? Dan.
Dan friendly 1401 Ocean F. Um, so I decided that I was going to take the tiki bar in my yard and open it up and do weddings and I already booked 10 of them. So I need you guys to pass an ordinance tonight to make that legal for the rest of the summer because they're already coming. So I need it. >> No plastic palm trees are allowed, >> right? I mean, that sounds absolutely
ridiculous, doesn't it? >> Because that's what we're doing here. >> There is so much involved in this. And and I and last time I was here, I was not really for or against it. By the time I've gotten here, I I'm really not that I'm completely against the idea of ferry service, but I am completely
against the way that we're doing. I do think this is something, especially because of the traffic situation, the parking situation, the closeness to the Coast Guard station, that entire area is the real problem. It's not so much the ferry, but I also don't understand why we're excited about dumping 4 or 500
more people here on the busiest weekends of the year when we already have too many people in this town. We're not talking about September or October or May where we're trying to drag people in here for the shoulder season. This makes absolutely no sense. There are too many
people here on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday in July already. And for everyone who's saying, "Oh, it's only probably going to be 30, 40, maybe 100 people on the boat." Guess what? I know boats. I know fuel prices. I know what it costs to run a business. That boat will not come here if it's not bringing Do we even know what the break even is on how
many people it's going to take for that boat to break even to come here? >> They usually sell no matter what. >> But I'm telling you, it's not going to be 100 people >> to make it profitable to run that boat. So, either they're going to stop doing it at the end of it or there's going to be four or 500 people on that boat. It's going to be one or the other because
anything else is not going to make any financial sense for Sea Streak. >> Well, that would be in favor of a pilot program though. that would be in favor of like letting them get >> out. So, what is the town getting out of it? So, when you have a developer who goes before the planning board or zoning and trying to get changes to get things done, usually if it's a big enough deal,
there's back and forth. The community, the town asks for something, get something out of it, right? What are we getting out of this? 500 more people in town when there's already too many people here. Nothing. They're not they're not coming and paying parking fees. We're not getting parking revenue from them. The motel are already 100%
full on the weekend anyway. So you're not gaining any hotel tax revenue. Okay. So what are we getting out of this? >> Well, I heard an interesting perspective from actually fire department. They were um encouraging about this because this is going to bring in uh tourism who
don't have cars and they like that idea specifically like an upwardly mobile young professional demographic. >> So why is that beneficial to the fire department? Um because less less cars >> it's not removing cars from town. There aren't other people that aren't coming because the sea streak is coming.
>> They're they're this is what their perspective was perspective is not right. >> Bringing people here who are going to be making uh overnight accommodations who will not have cars. >> But I get that if you were taking 500 people off the train I 500 people off the road and putting them on the boat then okay then that li that has logic to
it. We're not doing that. We're adding 500 more people on top of it that don't have cars to all the people that already have cars. >> Well, you don't know that. I mean, you may have families from New York City that are not going to use that not don't want to sit in traffic, right, and pay the tolls or sit on a three-hour train
>> dozens and dozens more Ubers driving around all over the place to take the place of the vehicles that the people had who would have been staying here. It's there's you're not there's no fire department benefit to this. I also want to add the benefit would be for the people getting off the boat to go downtown to go to the restaurants to go to their shops. So I think there's a
benefit for our >> How are they getting there? You can't line up 200 Ubers along in >> We have a a plan of place to shuttle them to the Little Silver Lake parking lot where the sea streak is going to pay for use of those spots and the Ubers, the family members will wait there.
>> Little silver >> on Arnold and Baltimore. >> Okay. >> Right. So, they're going to get shuttled there and then from there they go off wherever, but they may want to walk to the shrimp box or sinners or anywhere else and get lunch. >> What if they want to go to their hotel or their home or whatever? You're still
going to have that that you know what a bottleneck that parking lot is. Now, you're going to drop off hundreds of people in that parking lot. How is that? >> First of all, it's Friday afternoon. >> I mean, this the point of this is this is all stuff that needs to be talked about, thought about, looked at, questioned. Nobody is doing that. We're just like, let's wing it and see what
happens. And creating absolute chaos. It is frankly the dumbest thing that I have heard so far. >> And that's why a temporary license would have made sense because we would had data. >> No, forget it. We owe nothing to them to come here at the last minute and say we can do this now. Let them do it next year. Work out all the details. Figure out the best way to do it and then let
them do it next year and do it in the right place, which is not inlet drive. It may be channel drive, but it's not inlet drive. We all know that. >> I don't I don't agree with that. >> There's plenty of space on there. I agree with a lot of what you said. I don't I disagree with I like the channel
drive idea, but I'm not land use and that's where I kind of run into a snag with this. >> This is just absolutely rushed for no reason whatsoever. They made the mistake of doing this without doing it the right way and we're bending over backwards for you wouldn't bend over backwards for me like this. If it was my house or the
example I gave before or I decided to put a third floor on my house and say, "Oh crap, I forgot to get permits. Can I get my permits now?" You would laugh me laugh me out of the room. >> Why are we doing it for anyone else? It makes no sense. >> And and I'll tell you another thing, and it's slightly off topic, but it comes
into it because when it comes to tourism in this town, there is absolutely we have a committee to plant flowers. We have a committee to plant trees. We have a committee to keep seniors happy. We have no tourism advisory committee. We have nothing in this town to deal with the tourism that is here that could get
people together from hotels, from restaurants, from the boardwalk, and local residents who are affected by those things and put them all together. I mean, let's face it, it's why the president of the United States has a cabinet because nobody's an expert on everything. But a committee of all the people around with knowledge of these
things, I know >> is what makes things go the right way. And this town ignores the fact that we're a tourist town time and time again. And I don't understand it. >> It's actually sad as we do have a tourism advisory committee, but it's defunct. >> Well, can we bring it back? I'll sign up. >> Yes, we can. And consider yourself a
member now. Well, there's a lot more that has it going. >> Yeah. Well, nobody make a motion. Bring it back. >> Who's next? >> Thanks, Dan. >> Anybody else? >> There you go.
>> It's empty. >> I know it's defun, right? I know. >> Sean Casey, 62 Inlet Drive. >> Um, is that SEAN? >> SATW. >> Thank you. I was at the uh planning board meeting uh last week or whatever it was and um
everybody kept talking about the master plan. Okay. But then I watched some of the board members read a paragraph and say, "Oh, this meets master plan." This person would read the same paragraph, "Oh, this does not meet master plan." Or
the person, "Oh, same paragraph. This meets master plan." So, it seems to me this master plan is very big. and should not be looked at like this or should be thrown away. If it's that vague that five different people can read one paragraph and come out with five different aspects of what it means,
it's not right. And it could be just be interpreted way too many ways >> and that's the problem with it. And I think it's I don't that's on purpose. Couldn't tell you. I mean I don't have any I don't know any of you so I don't have any animosity towards anybody. Seems like there's some in the room but I'm just speaking because I live on
Inlet Drive. Um, second thing is, has anybody done a handicap accessibility study on this? >> Good point. >> There's no railings. There's no ropes. It's a dock as wide as this table. There's going to be drinking on the boat
all the way here. There's a bar on it. And these people are going to have luggage. They're going to have kids. And if it's low tide, it's a very high dock. That ramp is going to be like this trying to get up onto that dock. So, it's raining. It's going to be slippery. And you're gonna lose people in the
water. It's gonna happen. And I don't get who's going to get sued, sea streak or the town or whatever, but note that we have not done any study on that yet. >> Yeah. May I'm going to ask a question. Is that something that the board would go I'm sorry, Mr. Collins, is that something that the the board would go
over like all these questions? >> I would imagine. Yes. >> In order to approve a site plan. >> And I would say that the governing body as the as the licensing authority has the same authority to ask the same questions. But with this ordinance, they would go back to the planning board and the planning board would ask, I'm
assuming, be able to ask them all these questions. They would have to pass muster with the planning board. >> Sure. >> So, just to speak to to your point, what you're saying is um so now they would have to go to the planning board and the planning board would I hope would ask them all those questions,
>> right? But I also think that uh that's a federal question too. >> The planning board again would would cover that, >> would it? Okay. But uh >> the way it was almost done, it would not have gone through the planning board, >> right? >> It was almost just completely
circumvented and fasttracked, >> right? Because the towns do have to meet certain handicap accessibility programs and things like that. And I don't think anybody anybody look at it and be pass. >> That mean now it'll go to the planning board, >> right? But come in like four days, is it? >> Well, >> nothing's coming anytime. Not coming
anytime until it's this is >> right. I'm just saying the first one is planned to come on. Well, that's that's their plan, but that's not what's happening. >> The last thing >> is everybody's going, okay, let's say 300 people come on the boat. 200 people come, but now it's a two-way ferry.
Okay, so now you're going to have threeund people coming off and another 150, 200 waiting to get on. >> So, you're going to have this one parking lot here with possibly a thousand people standing there. That's a possibility. 500 coming in, 500 waiting to go to New York City
>> after because they're going to get off. They said they're going to un load and unload that ferry in about 20 minutes. Okay, so that's what's going to happen if if there is the possibility of a thousand people standing in that parking lot. No bathrooms. They say there's no ferry terminal there, but there's they
say there's a terminal, but there is that, you know, the mills, whatever is coming in. Okay, they have bathrooms. They have store there. To me, that look could be a terminal because they're agreeing to let people use their bathrooms, you know, that kind of thing. So, and when people come off too, you
can't force them onto a onto a a a bus to go somewhere. They're just going to walk off and walk down the street with no sidewalks. >> Yeah. But I think a major there will be a percentage of people who would take those >> waiting for their Ubers and >> the people where this bus is going to let them off, which I don't sound like nobody really knows where it's going
yet. >> It's going to Little Silver Lake parking lot. >> Are are the people Have the people in around there been notified? >> Nope. >> That they're going to have hundreds of people? >> They have hundreds of people walking through there every day. So it's not they haven't been notified. >> Yeah. So they haven't notified that this is going to be happening either. So this is what I mean. It's just going way too
fast. >> But again, not against the ferry, but it's just not right. When I went to build my house over here, I had to go a year and a half in front of you people. >> Thousands and thousands of dollars >> to build my house. >> So thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> That doesn't make
Hi, I'm Marie Letta at 76 Inlet Drive. >> Please say your last name again. >> L A U L E T A. I'd like to address four points. One, traffic. Inlet Drive is a two is
two lane in some areas three. one huge delivery truck, one confused shrimp box patron, one Amazon truck, or any other vehicle. It's down from three lanes to two or one lane. With no sidewalks and passengers
walking in the street, we're down to one or zero lanes. Wrongway traffic has been intensified this year. We are seeing it in unprecedented numbers. just coming here today. Well, coming out of my driveway,
we saw a wrongway car. It looked like it was from the shrimp box, four four doors down, parked in front of my neighbor's house. It is horrendous this year. Uh, a neighbor on my neighbor, I was talking to her on the phone. She says, "I'm pulling into my driveway. I hear her
scream. I go, are you okay? Are you okay?" She said, "Somebody almost t-boned me from the shrimp box." This is not an anecdote. It's not a hypothetical. These are real issues and nobody is listening to us. It's so
frustrating. On parking Fridays, we got one boat docking and unloading at 4 12:45 and it's reloading. Guess what? In 15 minutes at 1:00. So, we potentially, because we're supposed to plan for the
future, have 500 people coming off, five people coming on. That could be a thousand people. Now, I know that's not realistic, but even if it's half that, you're going to have, what are you going to have? One line, you're going on, you're going out. You don't even have room for one line, never mind two. And
you really think that there's not going to be Ubers and lifts and and um private cars picking up people? I wouldn't take our shuttle because I'd say I'll wait for my Uber. I'll wait for my family or my friend to pick me up. I don't want to go to live Little Silver Lake unless my
destination is there. It's only adding more time to a long commute. So, I'm sorry. As much as you know the shuttle is a nice thought, it's not really very practical. And are you going to force people? Hey, you better go on that shuttle or you know or else. And how many shuttles could you even fit in that
area? There is no street parking. So, where are you going to put them? You can't stand. You can't Where are these shuttles going to be in that little little area? Um, sorry. It's going to be such gridlock. I
I can't even imagine. I I On top of that, I understand the Coast Guard's asking for eight eight parking spots in front of their building. That's even more of a a mess because where are
these other cars going to park when and you know you're going to get people saying, "Oh, I'm just going to stop here for a second. I'm picking up so and so or I just have to just give me a minute. Just give me a minute. I'm going to just I'm dropping off somebody." You're not going to get people to cooperate. You're going to get people who who think that
they're entitled to go there to pick up or drop off somebody. >> Let me just make a comment. the police are going to have an officer at that location and cars are not going to be allowed to stop to drop off or pick off. They're going to let them go. >> If you have one police officer and you have dozens of cars, I'm sorry.
>> I'm not saying there's one that the the chief will figure out how the offic gridlock. How do you stop gridlock? If somebody won't move or somebody's giving them a hard time, you're going to have all these people sick stuck. And if they're running for the, you know, if they're late and they're running for the
ferry or it I just it's just madness. I just >> as far as the parking like that. >> Yeah. >> We've had a problem for decades at Antrum School every day of school life. The police can't handle it. They're double park, triple park, dropping kids off in the middle. The same thing is going to happen.
>> And the atrium is what? A double that's a hella wide a street. And it's a and it's two-way. Correct. On entrim is that a two two-way. And how many how wide is that street? >> Average. Average average. >> Okay. Not but you know they don't have delivery trucks. They don't have >> people up in the middle of the road
dropping them. >> Again, we're talking about school buses as shuttle buses. Not cars dropping people off. The police are not going to let cars pick up or drop off people. >> But I'm talking about delivery trucks that come all hours of the day. >> Happens all the time. Yeah.
>> Right. and and it's down to sometimes one to zero lanes because you have people walking in the street because there's no sidewalks. So, I'm really concerned about that liability. Let's talk about liability. I remember the days when this town was just mired in in
lawsuits. Uh by not following legal re regulations, flood plane recommendations, non-compliance, the code ordinances, the resident taxpayer, I don't want us to be opened up to that. I don't want to pay anymore. And I don't want to risk our CRS rating having to do with the
flood plane. Why should we be penalized? >> Let me just ask, Mike, does flood plane even come into this. >> If there's a site plan approval, they would need to look at that. Right. >> They would need to comply with all >> how how would this >> How would this affect our CRS rating? I don't >> I don't know. I thought with the flood I read about the flood plane and it said
it could affect our Okay, nonsense. Fine. >> Um I'm concerned about liability uh from the lack of safety regarding drivers and pedestrians. where the results can be monetarily huge but more importantly human humanly devastating. I
dread the thought of anybody getting by a car. It is so dangerous. There are kids running. There could be kids running around. We see cyclists all the time. We see ebikes. Just everybody people uh I snow um what's the board? Um
um >> what's the board? >> Skateboarding, you know. um the especially the employees of some of the restaurants. >> R Why do you think in your opinion traffic on that street has increased or gotten so crazy? You're saying that you've never seen so many wrong way because some of the restaurants have
expanded their outside um presence. That sounds like almost like a an issue that regardless it needs to be addressed though regardless of what >> I agree and I'll be happy to help you give it or you can ask my neighbors and I
>> it's really been really bad. >> Okay. >> I was out front of my house the other day. Two wrongway cars in five minutes. >> My my guest said they counted five in a very short time. I don't you know I couldn't tell you. I had one person
yesterday. I was outside. Right. I see somebody coming down the wrong way. I watch her. I'm looking to see where she goes. She pulls in and goes into the employee um uh side of uh employee of the shrimp box. >> Now, she should know better. She was dressed well dressed. So, she wasn't an
um a waitress. >> She obviously was or I'm guessing she was uh you know, management or something. >> Boldly boldly went the wrong way to take a shortcut and went into the shrimp box um employee. This is the kind of stuff
that's happening. And again, these aren't anecdotal. These aren't like, oh, hypothetical. These are things that are really concerning to us. You can pass all these. >> I mean, almost like it's weird because what you're saying is like there's a lot
of like mist on that street and counterintuitively actually more police presence would help direct that. Not if there's hundreds and hundreds of people to me. You can bypass everything. You guys have the control. You can make up
any laws you want. You can bypass anything. You can't put seat sidewalks on on Inlet Drive. You can't make it wider. You can't make it less windy because we have to hold our breaths when we go around the this blind curve. And you can't uh create things magic wand by
because you want to make it any safer. I'm sorry. That's just how I feel. And it's the truth. You can't make a wine and say all of a sudden we have room. You know, you don't. It's I'm sorry to say I I >> if it was not a lot of people, it wouldn't be a problem because we don't
have a problem with the fishing boats because they have parking. That's the magic word. They have parking. This place does not have the parking. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. >> So, how is the four or five school buses going to add to the wrongway drive? I I don't I'm missing the point of I
understand it's a problem. Yeah. Right. And I' I've heard from people it's a problem and that I could talk to the chief or the lieutenant. We could figure that out, >> but I'm kind of lost as to how five school buses picking and dropping people off are going to add to the wrongway driver problem or the >> No, that was a separate issue. I'm just
saying it's not safe on Inlet Drive and then you're adding another 500 people. >> She doesn't have to have the answers. So this is not the planning board. You should be asking the applicant. >> I just wanted to get the correlation between the
>> like it's not up to you to have all the volume that I'm I'm concerned not being wide enough is my argument. >> And I did offer to meet with the inlet drive residents on the street to see the problems you were having and twice I was I was rebuffed. So >> well did it did it work out with our schedules because some people had people
in hospitals and you know >> but that's always an open thing. >> I agree. I hope so. and I'll bring the chief down or one of his admin and we could we could look at this. >> Um I just have a couple things. >> Um fairness, you know, why should Sea Street get to circumvent laws? That's
everybody's saying that. Um it's for it's just why can't everybody I'd like to do it. Um the regulations are there to protect us and you're not letting them protect us. you're letting somebody else um get away with not following the
rules. I'd like the CC treatment. So, if I'm going to do anything to my house, should I say, give me the seasick treatment, just like Mr. Friendley said. Um I'm going to say, "Yeah, I'm going to do something to my house and then if you don't like it or if it doesn't work out, come on town, bail me out. Tell me what
to do. It's not fair. I'm sorry." Um, and I welcome a site plan because any site plan that's done fairly is going to agree with me and say this is inlet drive isn't the place. It's too congested. It's too dangerous. It's too
small. There's no parking. Bring it on. Bring on the site plan that unless it's corrupted. There is no way a site plan would not agree with what we are saying today. So, if that's what we need, the site plan, bring it on. We know they're going to agree with us.
Finally, um Oh, yeah. I'm really concerned about um again where cars are going to go, pick up some drop offs, what if people don't use a shuttle, how pedestrians are going to move safely, whether or not
there's bathrooms, adequate cover for heat and rain, safety rails, how ADA access is handled, how emergency vehicles going to get through. Um fire, what if there's a fire or or somebody gets sick on the boat or whatever? >> I spoke with fire department in town,
okay? And I said somebody, you know what, if there's like an emergency, whatever. They were very like like non-pulse by it, whatever the word is, buy it. Um because they said they deal with that all the time. They said we have firework nights every week. They have tons of traffic. They said they would get
through >> and it's gridlocked really. I mean, I hope that you know, >> they were not they were not concerned about it. But >> again, this would be like something in my opinion should be vetted through the planning board >> before this cuz that's my other concern.
>> So yes, the ship sails. >> Okay. And they just come in in a couple of days and they get fined. What do you have in place to to stop it or to punish them? Exactly. I don't hear >> anything tonight. We'd like to hear it
before we leave so we kind of get a sense of, >> you know, what the the penalty is. >> Can't call the Coast Guard like, "Hey, go out there and stop them." We can't do that. >> Yeah. But, right, but there has to be something. It's just not It's just It's just not right. >> Um
I I really feel a sea street is trying to squeeze us. They put all this um press out there. It's coming. It's coming without even talking to us. And now we have now it's like we have to like accommodate them because it's awkward if
>> they're I don't mean to interrupt you. You you just made something very important about the if the boat does show up and the town just goes and finds them. Well, what some people up here want to do tonight is allow
a ferry to be a use in that zone. What's going to happen is they're going to come here. They're going to bring their boats. possibly bring their boats and they're going to say, "Oh, this is allow a ferry is allowed in our zone and when
they get their fines and we have to if we don't want them coming and we have to go down to superior court in Tom's River and put a stop order on it, their argument is going to be, what are you talking about? It's an allowable use in the zone." And this is what they want to pass tonight. They want to make an allowable use before we get any of the
okays of whether it fits or not. and and you poor people that live over there are going to have to be the uh you you're the um raats uh lab rats right now. You know, >> you're going to have to put up with it. >> I've been so you know, we've always lived live a very quiet life. I didn't
want anybody to know who I was. >> It's like so awkward for me to be here. I have to read because I'm shaking because I'm not used to this. I feel like you're listening. You're hearing me, but you're not listening to to my neighbors and I and you're just going to do whatever you're gonna do. And I feel
very very helpless and very very hopeless tonight. Um, if you're going to do this, I don't envy your position. It's not easy. But to me, you should be putting the residents first, not business first. You should be saying,
"We'll improve your quality of life." You should be, you know, representing us. And I feel like you're representing them. And I'm not the only one who feels that way. Inlet Drive simply does not have the capacity to safely accommodate
this operation. Please, please listen to us. Vote no on this ferry at this point in time. >> John, I I think the planning board voted yes for the ferry as a >> approved purpose
to adhere to the master. They make a recommendation. They don't vote for anything. They make a recommendation. >> That's right. But they made the recommendation to make that a permitted >> could fit in the marine commercial. So, but like Mr. Cavano says, you have to go
through all the boards and get all the okays, >> which is what all the plan also said, right? >> Right. what the planning board said, but >> by if we pass this tonight where we allow it to be a use, what the planning board says, and I'm not disagreeing that
>> we're jumping ahead, we're eliminated the the the need for a use variance where they would have to go in front of the zoning board and explain what they're doing, have site plans, have everything laid out, the public can come give their side whether they like it or
don't like it or think it's a great idea or think it's a bad idea. Mhm. >> We're eliminating that if you allow it to be passed tonight and they don't have to go in front of a zoning board for a D1. They're going to go straight to a planning board >> where the public could come out and voice their opinion.
>> Yeah, that that's layer number that's a separate layer. The zoning board has a lot more I'll say oomph than the zoning than the I mean the zoning board has a lot more oomph than the planning board. >> Zoning board is board of adjustment. >> Correct.
>> Right. >> Same thing. Okay, got it. Okay, >> you gota also remember, >> sorry, we're just trying to figure this >> zoning board is independent of the politicians. >> I'm gonna forget about >> where the planning board is >> has the politicians on there.
>> So, think about that too. >> Okay, thanks. >> Okay, >> thank you. >> Sandy Casey 62 inlet. >> I'm sorry. just to uh speak about the fire trucks that you said you spoke to the fire department >> the day after the meeting last week. The
Coast Guard smoke alarm went off. There was a truck parked in front of Reds, a liquor truck and a truck parked in front of the old Coast Guard doing work and the fire truck could not get by. >> He was stuck there. >> Today, my daughter-in-law, I have my two
grandchildren which we can't go out and play in my driveway. We can't walk into the street because there's constant cars going the wrong way. Ubers come down that way so they don't have to go around the lead. If you sit there for five minutes, you'll see 10 cars go the wrong way.
>> You could tell them they're going the wrong way. They don't care. I came to the meeting. I believe you were there last year at the school and simply said, "Could you paint arrows on the street? How hard? I'll do it. Give me the paint. Give me the little thing." You agreed that yes,
>> there are arrows there. No, there's not. >> There's arrows. >> There's arrows on the street. >> They're not all the way around. >> Not all the way around. >> They are by the parking lot where the boardwalk is and then they stop. >> They do not continue. >> I'll uh
>> I mean that's on the street so he can >> I'll get I'll get a hold of DP. >> That's an easy fix. If you put >> Okay. >> double arrows all the way down. I me as a taxpayer, I cannot stand outside my house in my front yard and play with my granddaughter because there's cars.
There's there's buses parked with their engines running which we suffocate. I have to knock on all the restaurants, all three restaurants. Now there's going to be five restaurants on the street. They leave their buses running. I have to close my windows because we could die
from that smell. Is that right for us? And now you want to bring in all 100 people, 500 people, whatever it is. Would you like to live there? I mean, I feel like you're for it. 100% for it. And it's it's not right to us residents.
Like my husband said, we were out of our house for two years to put a bedroom on. What we went through to put a bedroom on, >> the house was there. We just added a bedroom. And we went through Helen back for permits. and the the amount of money
we spent. >> Did you say there's going to be another restaurant there? >> Yeah. >> Yes. In the Coast Guard building. >> I mean, I wouldn't I mean, it's a little cap. If they if that happens, it's >> I didn't I didn't get a note on that. I had a second. >> First of all, that's that's not even that's future plan. So, it's not closed.
>> Well, that's not what >> happened. >> Okay. Well, they're working on it. So, >> they're working on the building, not >> Okay. >> Well, I mean, there was a gentleman here at the meeting last meeting saying they're putting a cafe in it. That's the only way I found out about it. There was a guy staff. He stood up here. >> No, I know. Future Pacific
>> possible. >> So that's my my thing is the fire trucks can't get there. So if there is an emergency, we're all screwed. If my house is burning down, it's going to burn, which my neighbor's house is going to burn because they're all closed together. So >> well, the fire department was saying they go through fireworks every week and the streets are of course jam-packed
with gridlock then. I mean, Fourth of July, every street is packed. So now they're bringing in 500 more people that weekend and you couldn't get down that street till 3:00 in the morning last 4th of July. >> So that's my concern is it's not it's
there are no sidewalks. I can't take my granddaughter to the park there because there's no sidewalks. >> But I mean it is a marine commercial street. >> Okay. >> Am I correct? It's not a residential street. I know I know everyone's going to go, "Whoa, we live there." It's marine commercial.
So, we shouldn't feel safe living there then. Why are there >> No, that's not what I'm saying. I just want to make that clarification. It's marine commercial. It's not resort residential. It's not residential. It is marine commercial. And that's the sort of activity that happens in a marine
commercial zone >> without sidewalks. So, that's >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> That's Thank you. >> Anybody else? Hi.
>> I'm not going to do the notes. >> Christine Rick 68 and >> I'm sorry. >> RCI. >> Okay. A question for clarification. Okay. If the license the license is granted
pending the site plan approval, is this very coming before the site plan approval? No. No. >> And if it does, it will be fined or somebody or somehow there's going to be some way >> to deter the breaking. It's illegal if
they do that. >> It's illegal if they do that. Thank you. Okay. So, clarification. >> If we pass the ordinance, the ferry ordinance that >> if it's passed here this evening, right? It's a license contingent upon meeting all of the site plan uh variances
approvals everything required ADA flood plane all of these >> everything the planning board will bring up >> they won't they won't need a variance >> they won't need a variance but site plan approval >> they won't need a variance because it's an approved use is that right >> if you change it yes
>> a use a use >> so a another clarification um it's an approved use and I was at the planning board meeting and I recall a piece uh that you folks were discussing
amongst yourselves at the planning board uh regarding that it states in the master plan something about drive being the place or the right place for such a use or something along those lines. >> That's correct. in the That's correct.
In uh 2020, there was amend an amendment made to our town master plan. And in that amendment, it said that something they're talking about different modes of transportation and encouraging that this would be something along those lines, but it it specifically said in the
Channel Drive corridor, >> right? Something along those lines. >> That's correct. Yeah. >> But not specific to fairies to f just like we encourage. Totally understand. We encourage I think I don't remember the exact wording but alternative encouraging development with a marine commercial zone and channel drive
corridor. >> I think I speak for a lot of people where we say we're not against the ferry. Right. >> The location of choice right now is what's in question among all the other things that you've heard that I'm not going to repeat. Promise I won't read them. Right.
>> Um is the location of choice, right? Is is the place is what we should be looking at. and you're hearing all the reasons why the parking, the transportation, the unsafe docks, whatever, all of that.
Why? Why this location? Why right now? Why the fast track? Why breaking all the rules when you can do this correctly in any place in along that channel that's a little bit bigger, a little bit wider, a
little bit more convenient with all of the things. And it would check a lot of boxes, right? Not only for the master plan, for the variances, for everything that everybody's talking about here from a safety um and security
perspective. Why the rush? Big question. No answer so far. Why? Why are we pushing so hard? >> I mean, because the summer's going to start. Like, that's why I'm not saying I'm voting, by the I'm not saying I'm voting in favor of this tonight because I agree with the process,
>> but that for me personally, the summer's upon us. It's a hyper sensitive season. >> And whose fault is that that the summer's upon us and they didn't do what they should have done? Because I'm reading documents online that say they started in the Highlands in December with letters posted in December looking
for their permits and etc. So why why are we pushing so hard? because it's one summer >> that might be an annual license from the highlands cuz the highlands unlike Point Pleasant Beach they might have an ordinance for fairies like they need an annual license so that might be
something specific with the Highlands we don't even have an ordinance in our town >> just questions >> right so hard why the emergency meetings the cost of the town the taxpayers we're talking about treating it like a special event for one person bringing out cops
and cones and and all kinds of stuff Well, because it would be a huge economic benefit to the businesses in town who are dependent on a very hyper short season. >> We don't know that. We we think, right, it's going to do all these things, but we don't know. >> Well, great way to find out as a pilot program.
>> The great way to the great way to find out and my opinion is to do it correctly and not rush it through. So then you do >> I hear you. >> Yeah. Right. I know. >> I'm going back to that. The last thing >> just say in the master plan, >> you know, page 25,
section 27, little little paragraph, improve pedestrian access and promote multimo modal transportation opportunities along the channel drive corridor. >> That's where this might be best suited. Yes, that's exactly what the master plan >> I hung on to that because we've all said
before we went to the planning board. We were saying that here at our at our first visit to the council just so there's better suited locations for this and we feel like it's kind of getting like jammed down our throat for reasons that we don't know. So we're trying to
tell you all the reasons we should just take a step back and I know you've heard them. I'll I'll make a comment to Marie's point about traffic and people going the wrong way and all of that other stuff. It's not just the restaurants that are causing that. Mhm. >> It's the lack of parking. You have to do
the one-way circle when you get all the way down to Ocean Avenue, didn't find a spot, and you started all the way up at, you know, at at Route 88, you know, in 88 somewhere, and you came that whole way and couldn't find a spot, you're forced to use the one way turnaround,
right, to get back out. So, a lot of that traffic that's happening all day is not just restaurants, number one. Number two, we are marine commercial, >> no doubt, but because we're allowing the continue expansions of the outside
dining for some of the restaurants that started during CO where we're over capacity and they are absolutely absorbing all of the paid parking on the inlet side of the channel for the fishermen and for the people that want to use the park and
all of that. the restaurants have absorbed everything because we've let them grow to that space whether they're because they're paying annual uh permits to do that but we never really pulled it back as a community after COVID and that's adding to this problem.
>> So people are making business you know doing their businesses there but yeah there's residents living there and we put up with all of that. I'm there 20 somehat years. Most of these people are. When you're talking about an additional
500 people, it makes us nervous and we're nervous. >> And until you see what's happening and it's not a driveby, trust me, it's not a driveby. Just spend 10 minutes stand. I'm the one that almost got t-boned the other day. >> And I got the jersey salute as she drove
by >> because I was in her way. You know what I mean? Pulling into my driveway, gunned it to get out of her way. I almost drove through my own front wall. >> You know, it's crazy. Um, a a very very big part of it is they
want to get to the parking spot first. They know they're going the wrong way. They're taking the shortcut. A lot of that's happening. Marie was trying to make that point. So, I just thought that I would support that. >> And it's beach parking. It's the day traffic coming in looking for the beach
parking >> that's causing an awful lot of that. So, it's not just prime time restaurants. It's all day long. We're asking you to please table this. >> Vote no. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> John, pick it up because I'm kind of tall. John Bazera, 400 Nib Street. Um, just want to ask a quick question. This subject that you guys are are debating here, this is specifically
trying to clear up what's written in our books, correct? We're trying to clear up. >> We don't have a ferry ordinance. >> We don't have a ferry ordinance. So, we're specifically clearing it up in this ordinance. Should this pass tonight, the applicant still needs to go in front
of the planning board and discuss everything that you know people behind me have been discussing. Traffic, site plan approval, safety, parking, all these things are still going to be discussed. >> So, it's safe to say that all the concerns of, you know, the residents,
people behind me are going to be brought up at the next planning board meeting. >> Sure. It could fail on the planning board. >> And it could fail at the planning board. Yes. >> And it would also have to be licensed by the governing body. That's not even the action under consideration. >> Right. So that's my point. You know, we're we're and I understand that
there's a lot of concerns with traffic and and parking and all these things even though there's to me there seems to be over 100 parking spots over there. But this is not in my opinion this is not the venue to talk about all this stuff. Mhm.
>> We have to let the process go and we should discuss it at the planning board meeting. You're going to have experts, traffic experts, right? >> You're going to talk about safety, going to have police. So, I think we should concentrate on what this ordinance is doing >> and it's clarifying
what the use is because it's it's cloudy right now. We don't know. I mean, my opinion is that it's it should be allowed, but I understand that it's cloudy. So it clears it up and it allows the process to happen. We're not doesn't seem like we're circumventing anything.
>> We're just clarifying the issue. >> So >> I'd like for everybody to understand that. And you do have an opportunity to voice your opinion on all the issues that have been brought up today. >> With fact and statistics, not just
thought. We have to put statistics into this. It's very important. So, I would uh I am personally for it. I think it's a good economic benefit to this town. >> I am a resident in this town. I'm a business owner and I own property and I
have been through the process. It's grueling. It's absolutely grueling. And I've spent a lot of money with certain approvals in this town appealing going to the state. It's not I know you don't want to hear this,
>> but we are not a businessfriendly town, >> okay? My family's been here since 1979. >> Do you guys like all those planters outside? >> They look beautiful on our old avenue. >> Don't they? >> Mhm. Yes. >> Well, in 1979 or 1980, my dad started
putting planters outside there. >> A >> beautiful. >> Yeah. >> He got fined for those. >> Oh, >> okay. knew there was >> he was he was told it was a it was a safety issue that they couldn't have planters on >> and that's one subject.
>> Okay, I can sit here and tell you 10 or 15 other subjects that happened to my family along these same lines and it's absolutely absurd. >> And obviously when time goes by things happen right now we have plant beautiful planters but we got fined
all right 40 years ago. So, I want you to think about what's going to happen in the future. >> Are people going to be still driving that many cars in the future? Right? >> Think hard and long, okay, of things that happened in the past that are now
allowed. I went through it. I'm still going through it. >> I think you should approve it. Thank you. >> Thank you, John. >> Thanks, John. >> Thank you, JOHN. HELLO, Holly Inglehart, 502 Laura Lab. >> Molly, >> Holly, >> Holly, thank you. >> Hi. Hi, everyone. I'm going to make it
really short because I think everybody up here pretty much already covered most of the stuff. Um, I actually just left the kids um varsity banquet where we honored our state champions and uh my son who plays tennis. And if you haven't been there, what you know is the coaches get up and they say their speeches and
they give advice. And one of the coaches gets up there and they say, "I just want you to remember it is better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission." I'm just kidding. The coach did not say that because that is awful advice. But this is what this business has done. And
there is a reason why they did it. They made it public. They made a statement. Everything is out there before we can even know about it. That's not okay. This business has spit in your face and deemed you irrelevant. And if you go
ahead and you pass this now to make accommodations for them, we will look weak and we will look very easily intimidated. And that is something that you do not want to set as a precedent for all businesses coming into town. That's all I have to say. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. EJ >> EJ Guyer 115 Arald Avenue. Oh, that's loud. I haven't been up here with any mics. Um, I've been sitting here listening to a lot of stuff tonight. Um, seeing a lot
of people getting very upset in the back, listening to a lot of comments. Um, I'm going to keep this as short as I can. Um I agree with the person who spoke before the person that spoke the one from 400
nibble. Um I think by passing this you're going to be setting taking the first step to setting the guidelines that need to be set for this matter. >> I think that a lot of the issues as the attorney said earlier that people were
saying this is very vague. A lot of that comes in with the licensing because each one's going to be a little bit different. So, the license needs to be tailored a little bit. So, I agree with that. Um, the traffic issue on in that area, I agree, is bad sometimes. I went
down I was down there the other day. Three buses offloading buses. That's up to 50 people on the bus on each one. Again, up to
>> maybe 20 get off, maybe 10 get off. >> The ferry is up to 500 people. That can be limited in the license for the first year. Let's see how it goes. We're going to limit. We're going to say you can have 100 people, 100 tickets sold per trip.
Limit it. Start it off slow. Build it up. But I think we need to evolve. It is as I I kind of disagree. I heard two things said. Dan friendly said we're a tourist
town. Councilman Cortez says we're not a tourist town. We're a residential town. We're a mix. We're both. I live across from Little Silver Lake parking lot. I see it every day. I sit on my front porch on July 4th on Thursday nights and
I watch the same cars sitting in front of my house for hours and hours. because they go 5 feet in 30 minutes because of the traffic back up. We need to do some things better. Yes. But I think we need
to pass this to set the guide to start setting the guidelines. We need to start somewhere and I think that's what this ordinance is trying to be set up to do. And that's why I think we need to agree with the ordinance. I think the sea
street coming in, I don't I can't imagine 500 people getting on it, but that's where I think the licensing can work with setting a limit on how many people can be on it. Um, I think we just need to have clear guidelines to start it. So, people may agree with me, people
may disagree with me, but I agree with the people on Inland Drive. We need to do something with the one-way traffic there. It's bad. I saw a woman today, totally off topic, sorry. um trying to make a left to go on to 35 in the wrong direction. People were honking. People
were blocking. The light changed. She backed up. I thought she realized what she was doing wrong and I was the first person in line and I started to go and she tried to turn left again >> and I pulled forward and blocked and just stopped there and she's looking at
me yelling at me because I'm keeping her from going the wrong direction on 35. I was like, people do it all over this town. They go the wrong direction on the oneways, >> you know. >> So, we definitely need to figure something out down there with that, >> um, and that's all I have to say.
>> EJ, oh, go ahead. >> One more thing. People are complaining about they're going to be drinking on the boats. They're going to be on the boat for an hour and a half, and they're going to have to come off and pee. I heard this being said, there's bathrooms on the boats, you know, and it's an hour and a half boat ride. I would rather see
somebody coming off that ferry where they're being served alcohol by a responsible person who is a certified bartender who has passed the testing to say, you know, I mean, I pour beer
>> and I have to every two years I have to take a course on how to look for somebody that's intoxicated, how to do all of that. >> Tips training. >> Tips training. Right. >> Training. You see the people coming off the fishing boats who have bought
cases of beer onto the fishing boats and they're out there for three hours >> and then they come off and they get in their cars and they drive away. >> How is that better? >> Right. >> So that's all I have to say. EJ, I just have one question and I don't want to put you on the spot, but as someone who lives across the street from
>> the little silver lake parking lot, do you see any issues with 30, 40 cars, whether they're Ubers, family members, whatever, parking in that area and then having >> I think it's no more than we have now. >> Okay, that's what I wanted. Thank you. >> Thank you, EJ. >> Who's next?
Hi, my name is Antinet Bleta. L A U L E T A and I live at 76 Inlet Drive. >> Antinet. >> Yes. First name. Hi. Um, it's interesting because most of the people that are forward don't live on in Inlet
Drive. I don't know how many of them would want a ferry terminal on their block bringing hundreds of people to their block. Okay? Especially with all the problems that we have asked to be
addressed. I don't understand how somebody could come here say we're bringing a ferry. Don't get permission. get all the rules go out the window. I
don't understand it. And you know what? I've been told in the past, you look for logic where there is none. >> And this is a prime example of it. You look, there is no logical reason why this town has to bend over backwards.
So, the summer's coming. You know what? With any luck, we'll have another summer next year and a summer after. Or maybe even say bring them in in the fall. That would be nice. It's a beautiful place to be in the fall and the spring. How's that for an idea?
>> I don't understand any of this. I don't understand why we're bending over backwards. I don't understand why people don't care if people are safe on Inlet Drive. Yeah, we're Marine Commercial. We still live there. >> We were allowed to live there. We've
been there many years. >> This makes no sense to me. bending over backwards, not following the rules. What are the rules for? We have to follow the rules. Everybody in this town has to follow the rules. Oh, wait a second. Not now. Not for this group.
It makes no sense to me. And it it fur it it's infuriating. This is a great place to be. We all know that. We love it here. But this is ridiculous. There's no reason for this. I'm sorry.
There is no good reason to to force this down our throats when it hasn't gone through the proper channels. There's no site view review. We don't know how safe this
uh deck is. We don't know anything about this place. Oh, we're going to bring buses where you can't park in the front of the park the um sorry the um Coast Guard station. That
space can fit one bus and that and it have to be go in and go and back out. Is one bus going to accommodate the people that come off this boat? It it doesn't it doesn't stand. It It's
irrational and unreasonable to think that that's going to happen. Oh, everybody's going to walk to here and everybody's going to walk to there. Not with kids. Not with luggage. Yeah, maybe if they're all 22 year olds and they have a backpack. Yeah, they'll walk to the other end of the of the town. But is
everybody going to have that? You don't have any a There's no There was no information given to us. I'm talking to a gentleman next sitting next to me and he goes, "Oh, they're not going to go back and forth." I says, "Well, that's what they said on the website that
they're going to have people going back to the city. >> You know, they're going to turn around." He goes, "No, it doesn't." And then he goes, "No, they they do have back and forth." We don't know half of what's going on. >> Why? Why can't we know?
Why can't we know? Now, just so you know, with this ordinance, they would have to go in front of like the planning board who would then answer all those questions. >> Are they allowed to get a license first and then they fill in the blanks or are they going to be
>> license would be the license? First of all, if this ordinance is approved, okay, they would have to go they could get a license pending board approval and the board approval would address those issues because
they're a land use and that's where we're kind of running to like a one of the places we're running into a snag here. We're not land use up here. The planning board gets specific training and whatnot in that. We don't. Some of us up here might have some information on that, but as a board, we're not land
use. So that's where those questions would be answered. >> Are they going to be answered before this thing starts running? >> It can't run without it answered. >> But so in other words, on Friday, they're not showing up. >> They nobody's nobody's getting approval to operate anything. If this ordinance
get gets passed tonight, this does not give the sea streak cart blanch they could do whatever they want there. It's what we're saying is that in the marine commercial zone, which is part of the area you live in, but there's a huge area that is also the marine commercial zone, okay, that that feries are ferry
commutation is a is within the master plan and it should be an acceptable use for the marine commercial zone. >> We're not going to put it on on on Ocean. I mean, it has to it has to be it has to be where there's where there's docks, where there's
>> we probably have more traffic than Ocean. I get that, but we're not talking about traffic right now. No, no, no. Just just just just to further explain to you, you know, so so this ordinance getting passed tonight does not give sea streak or anybody car to do anything and nothing happens. Okay? And and if if
anybody applies for a license, we would have the ability to grant the license, but only based on them meeting the criteria with the various land use board that they'd be assigned to go to. So they would have to go through the proper channels to >> go through plan review with the with the
with the board of uh the planning board. >> So why did Now we were at the planning board. >> Okay. I I think I can explain what's so the last council meeting we had like an emergency meeting. We had voted to fasttrack this and that's where what
you're saying like hey we have all these questions. Those were not going to be answered. It was going to be like, "No, we think this is a good idea. We're going to let them do it." Okay. Now, then then they had to still go to the planning board to make it a permitted
use in that area because the town the way it's read, it lists a bunch of permitted uses in the water. I'm talking about that area. And if it's not one of those uses listed, it would not be allowed. Fairies were not listed. So
they went to the planning board and all the planning board voted on was to say yes in this area fairies would be a permitted use. There was no real parameters by the way on like size or whatever whatever. Okay. Now we're at
our second council meeting. So we've been presented with this ordinance. Okay. We were going to vote on it tonight but then we had our private executive session where we're like >> took out the two parts. We're going to cross out some stuff here and not like fasttrack it so much now because now
we're going to make an ordinance in town, >> but they but any boats would still have to go in front of the planning board. The special meeting that was not going to be the case. We were going to fasttrack this. >> Okay. >> Now, we were at the planning board. >> Yes. You were at the planning board
meeting. Yes. >> Meeting. and they said the only thing we approve is that a ferry the use of a ferry >> in in that area it's a permitted use that's correct >> but everything else they wiped out
>> that's disagree with any of the rest of it >> that's correct >> okay so why I want to know why are you concerned about approving this because I have a feeling
It's a very good reason and why that gentleman there with the Hawaiian shirt, I like your shirt, >> is also concerned about it because I respect his opinion. >> And let me just say, Councilman Dix, >> yeah, real quick. And Mike, please forgive me, but right now we don't have
an ordinance governing fairies at all. So, the New York Waterway could come tomorrow and we really have no say in that. So this or passing this ordinance will at least put a definition of a ferry on the books and then again based off of that they have to go to site plan
approval at the planning board and they get a license from the governing body. So everyone's saying don't approve the f the ferry or this ordinance. It's counterproductive to what you guys want. Well, I would not necessarily need >> I will say this. If the ordinance is and
the governing body can do as it pleases, but just to be clear, I think it's important for everyone to understand the mechanics of it. If this ordinance is adopted, the burrow has more legal authority to stop any ferry from operating tomorrow than it did today.
>> Right? >> Today's legal authority is based upon a zoning interpretation of the marine commercial zone. tomorrow it is you didn't get a license and you're required to get a license before you operate >> and and so that's the legal difference and quite honestly if I have to go to
court to try and stop someone who wanted to operate a ferry without coming in and not agreeing to cooperate after we reached out to them you mentioned another ferry vendor you know >> uh Doug Vitali's ferry company decides they want to operate um unless we have that ordinance I wouldn't have a legal
basis to argue that the governing body prohibits that activity >> so if anybody Nobody could come down here right now >> and operate a ferry. >> There's no municipal ordinance banning that. >> So why was why why was all this happening?
>> If they could just come down here and >> there there there's a potential zoning issue, but there's not a there's not a >> waterways issue. >> There's not a police powers issue. So >> this would here's the story. >> Okay. Everyone keeps saying, "Oh, if we
don't pass this ordinance, a ferry could show up anytime they want from New York, Connecticut, wherever they come from, they could all come forund and something years, 200 years, this town's How many fairies have just showed up out of the blue?" >> None. >> All of a sudden, we're going to have a
traffic jam with fairies at the inlet coming in. Hey, we heard we could come here for free, but that's not happening. what they're doing by passing this >> fairies. >> If they pass this ordinance tonight, >> they're by And I know some people feel
it's not necessary. It's not they're it's not how they feel. We have a zoning officer. Whether you agree with her or not, she ruled that this needs a use variance. The use variance is not with the planning board. A use variance is
with the zoning board. And that will give them the opportunity to have all this stuff in order, which they don't have. They haven't sub submitted anything. It's all this, well, maybe we could do this and maybe we could do that. So, it
goes in front of the zoning board and all the information supposed to be given to them and then they make a decision. Is it a good fit in the zoning? They bypass. They want to bypass that. That's that's a safety net. That's not
the typical way to do it. You're saying that where they're going to go, they're going to be >> you're skipping you're skipping a level. You're skipping a level. >> Yeah. When you get a denial letter from the zoning officer, you have to go in front of >> I'm just trying to call balls and strikes, but it's a land use board approval. So, they'd be going to the
planning board just like someone in your instance if if and mind you, I also want to correct the record. There has never been any determination by the zoning officer. There may have been comments here made about >> there was ever an application put in. >> Correct. That's exactly right. So you just said that there was a zoning
officer determination being made and I think to be fair to the zoning officer no no such determination was made. >> I I and and there may have been internal dialogue about it but unless and until a formal determination's made the applicant doesn't have a basis to appeal
from it. So there would be there's no bypassing of the land use boards. it would just be which board. I concede that the clarification would reduce the legal burden because you would not need a D1 use variance and if the governing body doesn't if if it's not in favor of
the marine services term being interpreted to include a ferry perhaps it agrees with the zoning officer and would want the D1 variance. That's that's a policy debate. You guys can make that call. But by changing that definition, it does not mean that it's not going to the land use. But he just
said that. >> No, that's not true. >> It's a different board and it's a different legal standard, but it still needs to go to a land use board. >> So, do they have to go to the zoning? >> Under the current situation, it is possible if the zoning officer made a
determination that marine services does not include a ferry. If this ordinance were not adopted, it is possible that they would be um directed to go to the zoning board. at the zoning board. They could ask for a D1 variance. They could also challenge the zoning officer and
say the zoning officer is wrong. They have that right under 405. >> Understand why he's against it. >> But Mike, in order for that to happen, they would have to put in an application and she would have to give the zoning officer would have to give a formal correct denial of that and that hasn't
happened because there's been no application for a permit submitted >> that application. >> But that's the normal process. Normally you would Yes, you normally you would submit an application. That's why we're in this quagmire, >> right? >> Yes.
>> I mean, ultimately, all this going on for the last two, three weeks shouldn't be happening. >> Okay. >> It shouldn't be happening. We shouldn't have had a special meeting. We shouldn't be talking for hours about this. All this could have been straightened out if they went through the proper process of
going through zoning and getting the okays and submitting site uh their site plans and getting any uh waterfront development permits saying you need because in their own contract they were going to put pilings in and then at the last meeting no we're not putting any in we're putting some we're taking some out
and then the meeting they had the day after that meeting at with the mayor he oh we're not touching a dock but yet just the other day they submitted paperwork to get a mailing list of people within 200 feet of their property for the D. So that means they're doing something about. So what is it? You're
putting something in, you're taking something out, you're not touching it, you're doing something. >> This is this is all wrong. >> So why can't we require it now for them to go through the process the proper pro process by denying? We all do have to
when we have to do anything >> and we all should there's a reason for the process. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. By denying it by not passing this ordinance. You're 100% correct. That's what they would have to do. They have to go through the proper thing. They would have to submit an application. The
zoning officer will make a recommendation or make a determination. And though it wasn't official, she says it's not a use in the zone. They would have to go to the zoning board, not bypass them. go right to the planning board. They're skipping that thing. And
the idea, oh well, we don't have an important we don't have a ferry ordinance. We haven't had a ferry ordinance in over a hundred years. Why all of a sudden we're worried about the caravan of fairies that are going to show up out of the blue? It it's ridiculous. >> Well, I would argue that this is a catalyst for this or ordinance. That's
why we're doing it now. There's a reason for it now. But just so you know, even if they did do all the process, which I'm which I'm pushing for the to go through the process, they could get approved. The planning board and the board of adjustment could get approved. Just so you know. So that's it's not
like that's going to stop. >> I always say everybody checks to make sure that this is going to be safe for for the people using the ferry and for the people living there. >> But it doesn't sound like it if they're passing the zoning board. The planning
board is going to make sure you're going to ask all the questions. >> They would go in front of the planning board >> for the site. I >> I'm not convinced. I'm sorry. >> Well, that's what the plan. >> I have my doubts. I really do. And I'm sorry to feel that way. I really am sorry to feel. >> You don't have to apologize for feeling that way.
>> Anybody else? Hi, >> Michael Quirk, 78 Inland Drive. >> I just want to say I agree with everything my neighbors say. >> There's just one thing. We received no notice >> if it wasn't for my one neighbor. No one
on Inlet Drive would know anything. We should have had some kind of official notice and uh that got to be uh some mechanism to do that. If they went through the process of a variance, you would have been within 200 ft and gotten noticed. >> Yes,
>> that's the way. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Anybody else? >> Interpretation. No, >> I guess not. Don't this stop at 11 >> on 11 Parkway
>> council right said earlier that this is not happening this year >> I'm sorry >> this is not going to happen this year >> oh I have no idea when it's happening I just what I said was with his ordinance we're not giving them carp launch to to do anything >> so if we're not giving them permission to do it why can't we just go back to
the regular process the regular process addresses everybody's concern if it's not a time crunch issue why can't they is put in for a D1 variance. If the code enforcement says it needs a D1 variance, then they go through the proper site plan. People get to voice their
concerns. They get to see the site plan, a traffic study, a safety study, whatever is required. If it's not a time crunch, what's the issue? Addresses every concern. The process addresses every concern. >> And Councilman Stoson, you said yourself
you're not knowledgeable in land use. Mhm. >> Why are you guys Why are you guys negotiating land use? >> I don't understand it all. What's What What's the sense in this? >> You're going to I I uh Councilman
Collins, you said Council I am not that I'm not above my pay grade. It's all good. >> You said that I'm the I'm the vice chair of the planet. Sure. You said that basically we we were only supposed to address item two. Is that what you're
saying on the ordinance? And that's why that's why basically everything else we said about the ordinance is nullified. >> What I was saying is that the section of the ordinance that addresses a lensure regime where the governing body would license fairies is not a development ordinance under the definition of the
municipal land use law. The planning board has jurisdiction to review development ordinances. That's 4055D26. 4055D4 defines development ordinance and it that section of the ordinance is entirely outside of that.
>> I don't even know if you answered my question, but >> I I answered your I answered I I answer Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. Let's not let's not let's not get smart. I answered your question. The planning board has jurisdiction to review development ordinances under the municipal land use law. All I'm saying
is that the provision that the section that says that the governing body is going to issue licenses to operate feries is not a municipal land use law ordinance. So that was not within the planning board's jurisdiction. The other one absolutely was and the planning board you guys were right to do the
review and on the temporary provision I think the process you know was respected by the governing body by taking that provision out in response to it. >> Okay. So, so our my perception at least on the planning board is that we discussed the rest of the ordinance in
depth and um Ben Montenegro council for the planning board it was very clear that we were only approving to allow the use of a ferry and the rest of the ordinance would be discarded that it would not would well not discarded that we were we were not approving anything
else in that ordinance. I spoke to him yesterday. He said, "Yeah, even a change, you couldn't even make a significant change to the ordinance without it coming back to the planning board again." And this this is a significant change. >> I have to say I'm confused between two council. >> Yeah. I mean, I'd be happy to talk to
Ben offline, but what I would say is that first, I don't think that he was specifically addressing the issue of whether or not the planning board has statutory jurisdiction to review an entire section of ordinance that has nothing to do with the development
regulation. I think that it doesn't. And in terms of the temporary provision, that was removed at the behest of the recommendation of the planning board. So, >> I understand what you're saying now. >> Yeah. But I have to say that if he had
told us that at the time that it voted, the vote might have been significantly different. >> Well, I mean, I think the planning board has its right to conduct its review and put in writing what it desires to do. It did that. We reflected on that here. Um, I would certainly chat with Ben and we
would we're almost always on the same page. >> You also told us that it would need um majority of the council, super majority of the council. Is that no longer a fact? It it would have if if you read in section 26 the statute says that if the governing body wants to override the
planning board it requires a majority of its full membership. Here the governing body did the opposite agreed with the planning board by by acquiescing to its comment and removing the provision that the planning board found offensive. So if the governing body said no no no we want to proceed tonight with the
temporary provision that the planning board said is inconsistent with the master plan. It would be my position that that requires four affirmative votes of council. >> Okay. So, so I'll ask again. >> If if if what you're saying is true or what we believe is true that this is not
going to happen this year, why can't they just put an application in and and go through the regular process? It addresses every concern. I don't even understand why the council would stick their necks out and be discussing this land what discuss not only discussing land use but going into the hallway and
and and negotiating land use. It's ridiculous. And going through the process addresses everyone's concerns. They all get a chance to see exactly what's going to happen. It's not going to stop it from happening. We all we I have to say we all really like the ferry idea, >> you know, and and if you just go for the
D1 variance, it approves the site first and that site only not given a blanket approval for fairies across the board. I I mean I' I've only been here 30 years now, so I'm a new person, a new guy, but I don't remember a single time we've added a use to the to the master plan.
How's that been? >> I'm not here to give you a review of the master plan. I asked the uh planning board attorney and I asked the engineer that as well and neither one of them pick that. I I mean the way it's done is you come for a variance and you get a variance based on the site. You don't
just change your master plan for for a widespread use. I mean is there a helicopter ordinance or a blimp ordinance or a sea plan ordinance? We're not worried about them all coming here >> or or a cruise ship. But I like the ferry idea. I'm not
against the fries. this it should be done the right way if you go if there's not a time crunch unless you guys know something that we don't know >> if there's not a time crunch like you said and we're not I don't know if we're permitting is the right word permitting them to come >> go back to to to ground zero and start
over ground zero is a bad examp just just let them follow the process and everyone's concerns get addressed and you guys don't have to stick your necks out and it's done the right way >> and everyone gets their questions answered Thank you. >> Thank you, Lauren. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Anybody else? >> Tayen. >> God. >> Okay. Um Tayen Rock, 215 Trenton. >> Please spell your name for me. >> T A Y D E N. Rock. >> R O C. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> What was your um street?
>> Oh. Oh. 215 Trenton. >> Sorry. Thank you very much. >> Yeah. Um Okay. So my first question is regarding the um going through the if this wasn't passed tonight. So you were mentioning they would go back to the planning board then if this wasn't passed tonight. Is that correct?
>> Yeah. Okay. So but how so would they be then referencing the ordinance that we're talking about updating tonight or no? that >> no they would have to start from the beginning and explain they would have the applicant would have to explain to the zoning board what they want to do why they want to do it and present their
case why they feel a ferry fits into the zone >> and the zoning board can then approve or deny that >> and that's just based off of that >> it's it's based on the the plan I correct me if I'm if I'm mistaken it's
based off of that board's knowledge of land use and if they think It's like a feasible plan. >> They would have to address a lot of different concerns. That's what that's how it's that's how it's done. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um so, and I would say generally I agree with most people like
I support the ferry. I >> take sea streak and I go to college in Manhattan. I take it all the time. Um I think it's a >> it would bring a higherend level of people into town as well. I think people would be >> willing to spend more money than the
type of people that are probably going coming on the train. I mean, there's young people like me coming on the train, not really spending much money versus I mean, these furry tickets are what a h 100red bucks, >> so they're probably going to be spending money. I mean, I see people walking off of the train for blocks down Chicago,
down Arnold with their luggage. So, I mean, I don't know if >> everybody would immediately be hopping onto an Uber when they get off. I think my only question is because I'm around the block from a little silver parking lot. Um I agree with EJ when he spoke
earlier. I don't think it would add too much to the traffic we're already seeing, but I was thinking I mean the train station parking lot isn't far and and I rarely even see that filled halfway filled. So is there a reason why it's going to the parking lot near me
instead of the train station? farmers market is on Sundays at the train station. >> Oh, right. And it run. Yeah, because I think that that would be a better place in my opinion because again, I really see that filled. But I I I also don't think it would add too much to what we're already seeing there. I really I really don't. But
>> but Tayen, just so you know, the council does not normally weigh in on this kind of stuff. That would be for a totally different board and like your questions or your opinions, they would consider those. The council, we don't normally do that. That's why that's kind of like our
big crux of our conflict. One of the cruxes of our conflict up here. We're not land use. So that's Yeah. So like we're we're hearing you, but we're just like >> Right. No. No. But I also But but we're talking about updating this ordinance here. And I think that I mean because people are saying the language is like
confusing or whatever. I mean it's no matter what it's zoned for marine commercial. Correct. >> Yes. >> That area on that area on the drive. Yes, but that's Yes, they're talking but he's But this but the transportation and
the parking is not in the ordinance. >> So that but that's I I No, I was just saying in general. >> Oh, you're just giving like your opinion to Yeah. Yeah. No, but I I but I do think that um to me a passenger ferry sounds like
marine commercial. Just in my opinion, that's what that sounds like. I don't know what else it would be. >> Sure. But I mean, if if it needs to be updated because for if it does happen to give the town more power to deny future fairies or whatever, I do think that the reason we're not talking about a a a
cruise ship or helicopters is because we don't have cruise ships or helicopters coming into town. We have a ferry that's wanting to come into town. That's why we're talking about this in the first place. But I do also in terms of the traffic things because that we would be talking about the police and stuff there. >> I used to work at centers. I would see I
agree. I would see the people coming the wrong way. It's terrifying. People don't I So, ferry or not, this needs to be addressed. I've almost been hit by people. It's crazy. >> And again, I don't I I'm not a urban planner, so I don't know what the decision that would have to be, but I do
it's it's very dangerous. So, ferry or not, it it needs it needs to be addressed. It's it's very bad there. I I don't I don't see how I I feel if there's an officer there and there's a shuttle bus there. I mean, I don't see everybody ignoring the police officer. I
mean, sure, some people may, but a police officer's going to stop somebody if they're if they're not if they're breaking the but >> listen to that guy for sure. They're going to be like, "Oh." >> So, so that's just how I feel. And I I I think I think if we're removing the
people from the area, I I just don't see again these are New Yorkers >> there. I again I go in the city. I see people if the subway is not working, people will walk literally from Midtown to downtown 70 100 blocks sometimes miles. Our town is a very walkable town,
too. I mean, besides the portion right where the ferry is, but the rest of the town >> has very large sidewalks. It's a very walkable. I don't even have a car. I'm 20 years old cuz I don't need one in this town. So, I don't see if people are, especially New Yorkers, are not going to have an issue walking a few
blocks, half a mile to their Airbnb or hotel room or wherever it is they're staying for the weekend or for the week or friend's house, whatever. Um, but I do I agree generally that I think it would probably be better on uh Channel Drive
rather than Inlet Drive. Again, I don't know why if it can be there in the future because I know this is still private property, too. that's private property over there. Is there a dock that would handle it even on Channel Drive? Does there one need to be added for something like this? Because I would like the ferry in town regardless. But I
do also think safety concerns are important. Of course, again, that's a dangerous road. And I I mean, again, I worked there. I can't imagine living there. What that must be like having those people in front of your house. And so, you know, I think I definitely think that that's important. But I think that
the ferry is still good. I think people will spend money in town. I think and and again I don't to me I don't see it as we're making an extra exception for the ferry. I just think it's a situation that we're faced with and that's what what we're trying to make the decision
on. And so um but again if if it's going to clarify everything if that's how it's going to work out and and we can settle this because again they would still this isn't providing them just the permission to what we're what's being voted on tonight to automatically just operate.
Right. No, >> that's correct. They would still have to go in front of the board. >> Right. So I feel that so that's a se. So right. So it's not regardless that's not even it's not just going to be like, oh, now we just have the ferry. We're still there's still going to be something else after this. But I think it's important to have it clarified regardless. And I
think if we want fairies in the future, whether it's in this location, whether it's on Channel Drive instead, um I think it's important to have that sort of clear so we know what's >> the problem that we're we're having is that we're kind of like hop skipping and
jumping over like the the public was very concerned because like as one gentleman said, they were not even notified that this was going to come in their dis in their area and that would be a normal step of the process. That's where a lot of, you know, that's where it's we're having.
>> And again, not issues, >> not to put down their >> concerns, >> not their concerns. I just feel like I I can't see how it's really going to make that much. I don't see any danger to this. Really, I think it would be their
right to come and speak about something that's going to impact their neighborhood directly. >> Absolutely. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have it. I'm just saying I don't I >> But you just said like absolutely, but this was basically like circumventing that
>> and and my other question is is this usually isn't there usually more to I think you were talking about this earlier. Isn't there usually more meetings anyway leading up to this something like this? >> Well, they go to totally different boards normally. Yeah. Right. They go Yeah. land use boards. So, >> yeah.
>> Yeah. But I Okay. because I think there but I do think that there are two different arguments happening because some people just don't want the ferry at all. I do think I do think generally it's a good thing. Um but I I do think it is important to take safety concerns in mind. I don't think that it should be
I I just in my view I don't see this as a fully saying oh we're just going to make a special exception for the ferry. It doesn't seem like that's what's happening to me. But >> um >> yeah I think >> ferry yes traffic >> no
>> is that what I'm hearing >> from the I don't I don't think the ferry will make at on inlet drive I don't think it will if we have a shuttle it'll make I don't think there will be a negative impact to the traffic there >> right >> I can't imagine there being one there
>> again if we have a police officer if the people are being removed on this again I would be in support of maybe limiting the amount of tickets sold for this ferry. So instead of because the ferry can hold 500 people. So instead of there being 500 people, there being, you know, 300 or whatever, I I'm I'm okay with
that. Um but even then, I still don't I don't see 500 people feasibly coming on this ferry. And I don't see the shuttles really being that overwhelmed because I don't think there will be that many people ever to be honest. I can't see that. So, but reg but I I I don't think there will be where it is right now
there will be a negative impact and also I think no matter what because this is still a pilot program it's limited time I say let's see how it works out and if it really is like you know what this is not a good idea we we don't have to do it again we we can stop it and say hey
we're not going to do this again or we're going to do it somewhere else clearly this didn't work we can learn and realize that we're not going to do that anymore but I think at least try it that's that's where I'm feeling >> right So, as long as there's a police officer there and and the people are being removed and cars aren't being
allowed to park there and just be idling on the side of the road picking people up, >> I say try it. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> Anybody else hearing? None. Can I get a motion to close and adopt?
>> Now, I have a I have a question. Um because there were >> Why don't we make a motion to close the first? Yes. Yeah, we could maybe we could all agree on that one. >> Yes. I make a motion. I I make a motion to close. >> So motion to close. >> Motion to close. >> Second. >> Dixon.
>> Yes. >> Counciloman Burns. >> Yes. Counciloman I'm sorry. Councilman Ramos. >> Yes. >> Council. Yes. >> Council Cortez. >> Yes. >> Okay. Kitty, go on with your question. >> Okay. Now, if we deny this ordinance tonight, would how long would be a waiting period before we can like
revisit it? because the public brought out some good points to that that could be improved upon tonight. I mean to this ordinance. >> I mean the governing body could reintroduce an ordinance at any time. >> Oh, really? I thought we had to have some waiting period. I guess not.
>> No. >> Any other questions? >> No. >> Okay. Can I get a motion to adopt this ordinance? >> Can I hold up? Can I make have a comment first? G. >> First of all, I'd like to welcome everybody to the zoning board meeting tonight because that's exactly what we've been doing all day. This isn't a
council meeting. This is a zoning board meeting. That's my whole point. >> This is supposed to though it wasn't official and it probably would have came out the same way when it became official. It's not a permitted use in the zone. Should it be? Yeah, maybe it
should be. You know, I'm not totally against the ferry. I'm against the process that we've had. All this stuff we've been doing for the last couple weeks, we shouldn't be doing. There's a process that's supposed to be done. You go and fund, they submit
an application, which they never did. They knew about this nine months ago or more. They did nothing with the town. They didn't check the town. They didn't submit anything with the town. And then they said, "Oh, here
we are. Sorry, we want to have a ferry service, but oh, I didn't know it was going to be an issue. We're trying to do something nice for the town. Maybe it will be something nice for the town, but we have a process. We have a process that has to be followed. We have these zoning officers, we have our
professionals, we have our different boards. They're the ones that go through all the nooks and crannies to make sure all these questions that everybody here are asking get covered.
It also gives them an opportunity to go to these meetings and explain their concerns whether they like it, don't like it, whatever problems they may have. It gives them the opportunity to air out what their problems were. And the zoning board will take all that in
and look it over and feel whether it's a good fit. Now, the zoning board may come back and say, "Oh, we think this very thing is a great idea and we're allowed." Well, then that's their determination and there we go. Off you go. But that hasn't happened. It hasn't happened. And like the gentleman over
here said, we didn't find out about this until her, you know, he said he didn't find out until his neighbor talked about it. At the first meeting we had here, we were lucky to have anybody from Inlet Drive here because they had no clue. >> They got word of it and and within four days they they scrambled to come here.
They didn't know what was going to be talked about. They didn't know what what the plan was. And that's the whole idea behind having to go in front of the boards. the excuse of the people that own the property and the excuse of Sea Street saying, "Oh, we didn't know we
needed this. We nobody." That's bunch of nonsense. They've went for numerous ordinances. I mean, they zoning approvals and variances and permits and CAFRA
and EPA. He went through all this stuff for them to walk in here like, "Oh, I didn't know. I'm sorry. I I I call that something, but that that's that's that's not reasonable." So, now we're at the point here. Here we are as a council
doing zoning laws up here where probably most of people uh have no experience in that and we're ignoring our we're bypassing our professionals to begin with. were bypassing um or boards that we have for a reason.
Ultimately, they're saying, "Oh, they could go to the planning board." But they're missing the first thing, the use the use. Maybe it will be allowed, maybe it won't be allowed. But the point is, if they pass this ordinance tonight, they're going to bypass the zoning zoning rule, the zoning board, which is
I feel is a very important step. it goes right to the planning board. And that's not how it's supposed to be. It'd be like um someone like Mr. Friendly had said he has a tiki bar in his backyard. It'd be like someone saying that one of them empty lots down on Route 35
uh say, "Hey, listen. If I walked in here and said, "Hey, before we get all this, I got a great idea. I I was just told about this two hours ago. They want to uh at one of the empty lots of the guy uh it's going to be great for the town. Everyone's going to love it. people will be good for the businesses.
It will be good for the hotels. It will be good for tourism. He's going to have a circus there every weekend. Now, we don't know what size the circus is going to be. It might be a 100 person circus. It might be a 400 person. We're not sure. We don't know what we're getting. Uh it's not zoned for that, but you
know, let's do a pilot program and see how it works out. Do the neighbors know about it? Oh, no. They don't know about it. We're just going to spring it on them. And did you contact the police department? No, but we'll figure out a way that we'll contact them ahead of time. We'll let them know how many people show up. I mean, this How about
parking? Oh, we don't have any parking, but uh we'll we'll figure maybe we'll park them here, and if we like that idea, maybe we'll park it over here. Oh. Oh, no. That's that's changed six or seven times in the last two weeks where they're going to park these people.
It's ridiculous. It's the same situation. I'm showing up with my boat. may be a great thing down the road, but let's take the world of rules. Just come do whatever you want. We go to a pilot program. Uh is is ADA? I don't
know. Are you removing pilings, putting pilings in? You need a uh coastal permit for that? No, I'm not doing that. But then you see all the stuff where they're probably doing something there. It's it's all it's ass backwards. You're
supposed to go to the zone, put application in, have our professionals look at it. They make a determination. They send you where you need to go, whether it's planning board or zoning board. You go in there, you make your case. If you make a great case, they'll approve it. You make a bad case, they
won't. Once they approve it, goes to the next step. And once everything's the whole thing is put together, he gets approved and off you go. If that's what happens, God bless him. I'll have the ferry come every day. I don't care. But you have a process to go through and by doing what we're doing here, we're
bypassing it and we're way out of our lane. Like Mr. Pisano put, we're not a we're not a planning board. We're not a zoning board. We're a council that most of people have no experience any of that. And we're doing zoning and planning.
It's it's way out of our league. We shouldn't even be we shouldn't even be doing this. We wasted so much time and effort with all our professionals over the last couple I can't imagine what it probably cost. It was thousands of dollars that the taxpayers paid because
these guys screwed up nine months ago or a year ago and never came in with the proper paperwork which probably would have been okayed if they presented it which they never did until this day. Still haven't presented anything. So, we should vote no on this and just for the
the purpose of this is all wrong. >> All right. I I just I'd like to say I'd like to say something. Um I think that um I I think that um uh my understanding from the planning board was the directive was that um they agreed it was
in the marine commercial zone. was an approved use, potentially an approved use, uh, and they took exception with my understanding was section three. So now, I mean, and I I I do trust Mr. Pisano. I know he's very well-versed in in land
use. Um and um there's a question now that is I I would like some clarification from the um planning board attorney because I my understanding was that they saw it as a as a as a
preferred as a use um and they took exception to the land use part of it. Now I'm hearing there's conflict there. So, in good conscience, I would like clarifi I would want clarification on that. And I think I would I would be very difficult for me to vote on this
tonight. Um and um and I don't take this lightly because I I really I really feel strongly that um this town does need some sort of ferry ordinance uh for for something to move forward. Um but in the
same respect, I want to make sure that I'm doing it the right way. So, so, um, I was I was one of the people willing to vote for this tonight and I'll say that on the record. Um, but with there being a question now, I would want some
clarification before I move forward. So, with that, I I just don't know that I could proceed. I just want to put that on the record. >> Anybody else want to make comment? >> I did. I guess they had some um you know I feel allowing this well-run established sea streak organization a
pilot program or a trial period um makes good sense. It will provide real world data on um writership on interest on the e economic ep impact um traffic patterns and our community response long before any long-term decisions are considered.
Um this trial period would assist in answering the questions with actual experience rather than projections. The other clear advantage of this temporary operation is it allows everyone involved to see what works well and what does not. So when and if it is formally rolled out, this operation will be the
best version of itself. How I feel about it. Additionally, I'd like to mention the property values. The Sea Street Ferry has added substantial value to the Highlands. Many site the ferry as a major reason for choosing the Highlands to raise a family and therefore the practicality of the um the commute.
Local real estate professionals still consistently describe the ferry as the burough's most important amenity and a large factor in the home values. And while factors influence property values, you would find it hard to argue that the sea streak hasn't been a major economic
asset. And so, you know, and it goes along with our master plan. So, I can't I don't really understand all the you know, I mean, some people have said that it's taken them two years to get something done. Is that the answer? I mean, is that the economic engine answer
that it should take them two years to get something done? >> That's not the answer either. So, two wrongs don't make it right. >> So, you know, I mean, this is just what do we do? We keep adding red tape. We keep thinking Trenton just keeps loading loading loading more stuff on us and
roadblocks and now we're just going to be part of it. That's how I feel. I think it's a small term a small operation. It's going to run for 15 trips. Why don't we just give it a run and see what we got? >> Well, >> how can you really? >> You want to say something, council?
>> I do. Um, it's never for me, it's never been about the boat or the idea or the concept. I met the president at the Jeninson's summer kickoff with Z 100. And I was open and honest and said I was a councilman and I asked him some
questions and you know we found out about it at a meeting when our mayor had his uh committee report uh his mayor's report and like whoa okay you know I would you know three months nine months
my issue is just like Councilman Dixon said it's the process um permits and variances had to be gotten up at the Highlands uh to do this. Uh we got an email from Mr.
Clearary, you know, today expressing his u uh pleading with us to vote yes on this and said he is, you know, 20 years in this town waterfront property. You've were approved for many variances and
career permits and all this other stuff. Well, then you just kind of contradicted that you didn't think you knew this. Now, yeah, it's a boat. It's a vessel. It's marine commercial. It's not residential. It's not general commercial. It's not any that's where it
belongs. I just have issues with certain other sections of this ordinance. Um, and and it's the process. We all have to go through a process. You know, we do
anything here. And like Councilman Dixon, I don't want to reiterate all the questions that we have done since the special meeting, a Zoom meeting, this meeting would all have been done in front of the board of of
land use experienced, you know, resident volunteers on the board that hear this all the time. and all the concerns would have been ironed out. Um, I still think Channel Drive is
probably a better venue. Heck, the county's got property over there that's got a I think it's probably a 37 foot wide uh existing boat ramp that uh I think the boat you want to use
is only 30 34 feet wide. um you know and that would unload and put everybody two blocks away from five hotels, you know, a little closer than Inlet Drive. And as far as the traffic on Inlet, I did get a hold of during the meeting our DPW
superintendent to ASAP paint some arrows out there from the playground around to Broadway. So, give him a few days. That's all I have to say on that. I guess my only comment would be that I I really agree a lot with Councilwoman
Burns um up until the part of are we going to like two wrongs don't make a right kind of thing. Um I don't think that this is fair to the public for process. It's not even whether I agree or disagree with them but making this amendment and kind of this fasttracking.
It's again goes against our own council process. It goes against the processes put in town. I absolutely I love the idea of the sea streak. I do think that Channel Drive is a good place for it, but I'm not land use. So, um and I do think that the ordinance there are some
great points about the ordinance that needs some uh tweaking and that's exactly why we have a three-w weekek process to pass an ordinance. So, um that's that's where I'm at tonight. >> I will just add comments. Obviously, I
don't have a vote, uh but I am I am for this. So there's a process. We all talked about the process. The process wasn't followed and I get it. And I think Mr. Clearary and Seek learned a lesson that, hey, maybe you should just, you know, talk to people before assuming
something. But we're presented with a great opportunity in town. >> I've been out and about the last three weeks since we talked about this different various events out to dinners on Arnold Avenue. People calling me, people texting me. Everybody is ecstatic about the sea streak. >> It's going to bring a ton of business
into town. our stores, our restaurants, uh you know, everywhere. It's going to introduce people to Point Pleasant Beach that may not know Point Pleasant Beach living in the city. So, I don't understand how and I get the process. We found a way to get through the process
to go in front of the board to get the approval um that is needed. I don't understand how we're going to turn this down. And to be honest, I mean, it's not on me. Thankfully, I don't have a vote. It's on all of you up here. So, I I think there's going to be a lot of push back, a lot of negativity, and you know,
I have to admit, because I've heard somebody say it, we are not business friendly. This is an opportunity to keep our businesses going. Granted, whether it's in the shoulder season or the summer, added people into Point Pleasant Beach, maybe they come here and realize, wow, Point Pleasant Beach is a great town that we all know. I'm going to come
down in the in September. I'm going to come down in the, you know, for Christmas time. Hey, I'm going to buy a house down here now. Um, so I think it's a great opportunity that we're going to squander if we don't think logically about this. We could go to the boards. We could get all the questions answered.
We could satisfy all the residents, which we're trying to do. I just think we would squander a great opportunity from a wellrespected company uh from Mr. Clearary who runs a wellrespected area of town who's also a resident. So, it's not like somebody from out of town is
coming with this proposal. Him and Marissa live here. They know the area. Um, that's my two cents is I think if we don't vote this through, we're squandering an opportunity that's going to be detrimental to this town. So, I will ask
>> what what we would be voting through is not going to give them >> I understand that, but but it's a start. It's a start to get them. >> I agree. Look, I agree. I think the seat is a great thing. I mean, it's unfortunate. I mean, I wasn't here for a good part of this, so I had to kind of
ramp up myself, but I think that um uh the uh the the concept is great. I think that um you know, unfortunately, I I I I have I have I I support this ordinance. I came I came up here to support this
ordinance with this change because that was that was what I saw as the directive from the planning board. Okay. So if there's now it's a little mudded now and and now I'm concerned with um I like to
be consistent and I like to make sure that I'm doing it um the right way. So I I I think removing this one section um was what we discussed in the planning board. Um but if there's if there's if there's now a change with with with that
and Mr. Montenegro has a different opinion and it's something that we need to talk about. I think in good conscience I need to >> Can I help you? Can I just I don't want to slay your vote. I just want I'm just going to read what Ben Montenegro wrote for everyone's benefit. So
>> this is the planning board attorney's memo to the governing body which was his summation of what the planning board put on the record. I obviously wasn't at the planning board. I haven't reviewed the transcript. This is just what he wrote. After review, discussion, public comment, and planning board
deliberation, the planning board voted as follows. Section two of the proposed ordinance modifying n section 19-9.7, including ferry commutation services as a marine service to allow for ferry commutation service use as a permitted use in the MC zone, is consistent with
the burough's master plan and rea examination thereof. That was subsection A. Except section B. The remainder of the proposed ordinance is inconsistent with the burrow's master plan and re-examination thereof, and the board does not endorse the adoption of same as proposed. Here's the explanation. The
planning board prefers that an owner applicant for any such use in the MC zone or any other zone within the burrow apply for and obtain site plan approval and any necessary variances, design waiverss from the land use board with proper jurisdiction to review such land
use application. So under the statute, the planning board has the authority to grant recommendations. And so essentially here the recommendation is that um the applicant should be required to obtain site plan approval. I wasn't at the meeting, so I don't want to
critique it, but I can say that the section on lensure incorporates the site plan requirement and still requires the applicant to get land use board approval. And in fact that's a condition of the lensure. So I
I do feel that if the critique of the planning board is as Mr. Montenegro wrote in that explanatory sentence to me it's clear that the lensure section of the ordinance is consistent with that critique and as I said earlier
I don't feel that the planning board has jurisdiction anyway to review a lensure ordinance. So, that's my perspective on reviewing what the planning board offered us. Um, and the edit obviously removing the temporary provision is
completely consistent with that critique in subsection B. and and I'm looking at section three and the transition provision specifically where it states that uh any temporary operations that are sanctioned pursuant to temporary license for ferry comm uh commutation
services pursuant to this section shall be exempt from any site plan requirements pursuant to section 19142 we are removing that >> that's already gone yeah by the >> we are removing that so so in in essence we are taking out that that that
provision so I I I I I I I just I see this as as we're we're following the guidance of the planning board. Um people may disagree with me. >> Councilman Ramos, may I make a point though? We introduced this ordinance by title only.
>> So there was no words to it. This is the public's first and last opportunity to make a public comments on this and that bypasses even our own process. That's not enough time for the public to
weigh in on this. >> But what does that have to do with the planning board? >> It has to do with us passing this ordinance today with this issue is with this the issue at hand here. >> But again, remember the passing this ordinance is, as Mike said, is going to give us more teeth tomorrow than if we don't pass.
>> I I agree. However, the public is only able to comment tonight and we amended this ordinance. So that's not enough time for the public. It's not fair to them. >> Yeah. Well, Mike also said that the planning board said that they should go for the uh necessary variances.
A planning board doesn't give variances. The zoning board does. >> Yeah, >> I I that could easily be a reference to a sebulk variance on setback or something of that nature, which is what I would interpret that as >> referencing. >> Yeah. Look, I I I wasn't here for when
uh you guys introduced this, but I mean, it's in front of me now and it's in front of us. I mean, so we got to we got to this point. I mean, it's it's Look, I have a feeling I know where this is going to go anyway. So, >> and all right, let's make sure we just vote. >> All right. Can I get a motion to adopt
this ordinance, please? >> I'll make a motion to adopt this ordinance. >> Thank you. Can I get a second? >> I will second it because I I I know the votes going to go anyway. >> No. Councilwoman Burns,
>> yes. >> Councilman Ramos, >> yes. With these changes, >> um, Councilwoman Silison, >> no. >> And Councilman Cortez, >> no. >> Ordinance fails.
>> So, it was Yeah. three nos. I appreciate uh everyone's patience. Uh stand by because we still have a full council meeting TO GO THROUGH. >> I KNOW. My gosh. >> And Mike, we still have to we have to go through. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Mike, do I do we have to do something special if we go past 11?
>> End at 11. >> No, we have to. >> Is that our thought? >> Who did? Who did that? >> Who did away with ending at 11? >> We did. I think we did. We had to. I have to. I'll make a motion to extend the meeting past 11 to go through our
consent resolutions and committee reports real quick. >> No, denied. >> Take care. >> Good night. >> Good night. >> Good night. >> Denied. Sorry, Councilman. Denied. >> I made that motion. It needs to be >> No, we have I mean, we have to do the business part of the meeting. >> Yes. >> I have to go to the bathroom very
quickly. Okay. >> So, are we Is there Do we need a second to extend the meeting? >> Let's have a second to extend the meeting. >> I made a motion. >> I'll second. All in favor? >> I >> I nay. >> Oh, okay. We got
>> Do we have to anony? >> We do. Is that what the policy says? >> No, we >> All right. Yay. >> Let me pull the policy. I thought we go by Robert's rules now. >> No, we they wanted it back in so we recodify them.
>> Let me try. >> Are we taking a break? >> Yeah, I did. >> I guess we are. Costco. Chief O big time. >> What are we doing? Committee reports. >> I mean lunch for a week. >> Ah, no. We have a discussion item. We
have a discussion item that we have to get to. >> And then we have to committee reports and then we have to public. >> You don't have to do the entire agenda if you don't want to. You don't you guys don't have to do the entire agenda if you don't want. >> I mean, we could we could we could hit the highlights of the committee reports.
>> I mean, you can carry, >> but we have to do this discussion item. I'm willing to give up my committee report. >> No, I'm giving mine up. >> And there's people in the audience that may need to speak. So, >> I'm quick on the uh >> committee. >> All right. Eileen, if you're uh >> tell me when you're ready.
>> No, let me pull up the chat. >> You're leaving, too? >> I've been holding. >> Okay. >> Are we taking a break? >> I mean, as soon as the two uh Councilman Okay. Cortez and >> Councilman Stillson come back. must have a resolution by majority of
those present. >> I'm going to take a vote. >> Yeah, >> we'll have to take a vote on um extending the meeting. >> Do we have to? Yeah, >> going longer. I'm not to go to the bathroom again because I I broke the
seal. Yeah, that's what happened. >> It's amazing how you have to go back. >> I just wrote like a camel. But then >> so now >> the mics are
right. So, you know what's funny? >> It just doesn't It's the third meeting. >> I don't know. I'm still at the meeting with probably I just did my last one. >> I was going to put my hand out. >> I just did my last one. >> Yeah, she's still there. Yeah.
>> Yeah. All right. So, we're going to start up in a couple minutes. So, >> probably another half hour at least and then we'll be out here. >> See you later. >> Oh, there's a jar right there. >> Are you there? >> Hi, honey.
What? Hi. Oh, you calling me. Okay. Bye. >> Thank you. >> I get one as a tip.
There we go. You weren't here yet. You weren't here. You want to get back? Uh we have to wait for council. >> All right. While Councilman Cortez is walking up, we'll hit to uh >> our discussion item. Oh, okay. >> The clerk the clerk identified that
under the meeting protocol that you codified into the ordinance, uh, there is a resolution required to go past 11 p.m., right? So, I would suggest the governor that >> I made that motion. >> I thought Yeah, I thought we had a second. >> I apologize if I didn't realize it. >> Oh, yeah. >> I just didn't take a vote. >> 11:01.
>> Then we got to shut it down. Shut it down. >> We have a second on that motion. >> We have a council made that second Dixon. >> Yeah. All in favor? >> Oh, because it says it needs a majority. >> Okay. All right. >> All right. >> It's very technical. You need a majority of those present.
>> Okay. Uh, Councilwoman Burns. >> Yes. >> Extend the meeting. Councilman Ramos. >> Yes. >> Counciloman Sison. >> Yes. >> Councilman. >> Yes. >> Okay, we're good. >> All right. Discussion item. Uh, real quick, uh, the America 250 event. Uh,
obviously a once in a-lifetime opportunity. Uh, we have a great three-day event, uh, planned. Uh we solicited sponsors. We got about $3,000 so far in sponsorship with more coming in. Um but the uh the event is costing a
little bit more than that. Uh we thought we'd have we'd cover it with sponsorship. Um, we're a little short. So, we're asking um I'm asking for the burrow to approve um there's a special event budget item or budget line uh in
our budget that right now has about $11,000 in it. Um I'm asking for um $4,000 of that, which I probably won't use, but just to be uh safe. And that's for the the uh Nashville musician on Thursday is $5,000. The reenactors are
$2,000. Uh there's decorations and giveaways that we're getting. So, I'm just asking the burrow uh I'm just asking the council for approval to um spend up to $4,000 if needed. Again, there's there's it's a little slow on
the sponsorships coming in. Um I did get verbal commitments, so I may not need all of that. I may need half of that. I may need a fraction of that. So, um, again, we're putting on a three-day huge celebration, uh, for the town. I talked to, uh, some of the other Barrier Island
mayors, uh, that are doing 250 celebrations, and I asked them, um, what are you doing? How are you getting the money? And they all said, "Well, the township is is footing the bill." So, um, I knew I probably would have got some push back on that. So, that's why we did the sponsorship route. But um I'm at the point that if we're going to put
on a great celebration and be recognized and I don't if you guys saw today, but some viral Instagram person picked up on it and talked about it. Uh so it's get it's getting uh some traction. Um I would just like the use of uh the funds in this in the special event fund which
is really what it's there for. And I I open it up to comments or questions from the council. >> John, >> I'll start. Um, obviously we're going to be good patriots and probably approve this,
>> but I got a major issue here. Um, mayor, and I'm directing this to you only because up until today, you have stated numerous times that this is not going to cost the town any money.
It's all going to be paid for by donations and volunteers taking care of everything. And today we get an email from you that you want $4,000. Now, I know you said there's money in a um special event fund, and that's all fine
and dandy, but here we go again. You've been dealing with this for months, and now it is a week before all this supposed to happen, and you're saying, "Oh, I'm short on money." If you
included us from the beginning on this, we probably would have said we're more than glad to give you the $4,000 five. Now, whatever it cost it was. It sounds like a great event. The people are really going to enjoy it. You got some good things going on. You have a lot of people involved. All the volunteers with
their time and all the businesses with their donations. It's all fantastic news and fantastic stuff. But as on I I guess I'm speaking for the whole council too on this. We were left out. We haven't been told anything about
this other than that it's all taken care of. It's not going to close the town of time and we took you as you were at that and now you're here at the 23rd hour going I need money and which is fine but it should have been done months ago. It
should have been very simple and it's it's again not right. I don't know why you didn't didn't do that. >> Oh, >> it it's not the first time you've done stuff like that. >> And it's a bad habit. And hopefully
this thing will go off fine. Hopefully everybody will approve the money. But here we go again. We had a process problem and it should have been taken care of when this all first started, not as the clock's ticking and everything getting ready to go. Well, I I got push
back when I originally started talking about this at from the council asking where is this money coming from. So, I assume that the council was not going to approve any fund coming. Uh I've also heard that this is a topic at other meetings, the Republican club meeting.
So, it's obvious that there there's questions and that I wasn't going to get any money from the from the burrow. So, that's why we decided, hey, we should do some sponsorships. Look, we have a week left, right? and there's still sponsorship money that hasn't been sent
in. So, I may not need a scent of this $4,000. I'm just thinking in case I don't get the sponsorship money in time, I have to start paying for the Nashville musician. I have to pay for uh the reenactors um ahead of time. I'm not
going to pay them the day of. So, that's why I'm asking for for this. And look, and if the the money comes in afterwards, then I'll gladly just reimburse the bar. I'm not saying what you plan what the plans are in your group that you had planning all this is doing anything wrong. It sounds like it's going to be a wonderful event.
That's not my point. >> For months you've said it's being taken care of by donations. >> Yeah. Because >> and and maybe it wasn't. And you didn't just find out today that you're 4 possibly $4,000. You hadn't known this for a while. And
>> well, no, there were some charges that came up yesterday that uh the sound guy for the uh the musician was a little bit more money than I budgeted or the committee budgeted. So, there were things that came up. Look, I'm just asking for for the money. And again, if
I don't use it, I don't use it. If I get money in afterwards, I could the the sponsorship money could pay the borrow back. >> I'm just asking I don't need to be attacked on this. I'm just asking for >> I'm not attacking you. I'm just saying, >> okay, >> that if you had come to us earlier, it
probably not going to be a problem. That's not the jive I got. >> You should have came to us earlier instead of listening to rumors and what you heard. >> I listened to you guys up and I listened to you guys on the council >> questioning me as to where I'm getting the money from. So, right then and there
was it's being paid for by donations every time. You didn't say, "Oh, no, we might need to come back and get some money." Every time you said it was being paid for by donations. Every time. >> Andy, you have anything? >> Andy, any other comments? >> No, I'm just I mean I know we all voted
you you were forming a committee and you know together so we knew about this you know sorry John we knew about this you know quite a while ago. Um, we didn't, you didn't always report on it at a at a meeting like that. >> I did every meeting. I talked about me a
little bit. I don't know. I mean, budget items like, hey, you know, we found out that, you know, um, uh, the Nashville artist, you know, Kyle Jennings. >> Yep. >> You know, is 2500, you know, like there's, you know, we're pretty close. We're going to do donations, but like
you said, I I'm I want the event to happen and I'm going to be a good patriot and I'm fine, you know, um voting yes on this, you know, to give you the money, but like John said, it we we asked only just to to ask because
that's our job. And you you did say donations, which we got some >> and that was the purpose was to get the donations. But again, >> right, >> when we I got added expenses and the donation checks are slow to come in, I'm just asking for some sort of relief that
in case I can't >> right >> pay everybody, I could get some money from the burrow. >> And again, it's a burrow sponsored activity. So, I didn't think there would be an issue. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Okay. I was lucky enough to be alive and be there for the 200th anniversary and
I'm extremely thankful that I'm around for the 250th. So, I think it's a great event. Mayor, I think that um I think that the intention was that it was going to be covered by donations. Do me a favor. Let me know who you've reached out to because I I
know three or four names on the top of my head that I would happily reach out for and shake down the shake down the money tree of the wonderful patriots we have here in Point Pleasant Beach. >> Okay. >> I guess can I get a uh a motion to
>> Mike? How would that how would I how would I say that? >> I mean, is this a >> I'll make Do I need a motion? I'll make a motion to allow the use of borrow funds out of the special event fund,
which has $11,000 approximately in it uh to forward $4,000 to cover the cost if needed of the 250 Celebrating America event uh 3-day event in town. >> How's that?
>> Sounds great to me. Is there a second? >> I have a little experience. >> I just have a question. Do you have is that that's that's in there is a fund like a special event fund? >> Okay. >> I talked to Christie today and and we used that to pay for portaotties.
>> No. All right. >> Okay. Are we taking a vote? >> I think second. >> Yeah. Mike Mike. >> I seconded it. >> Mike seconded it. >> Council Dixon. >> Yes. >> Counciloman Burns. >> Yes. >> Council Ramos. >> God bless America. Yes. >> Council woman. >> Yes.
>> Council. >> Yes. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. Um and I hope you guys all join me Thursday, Friday, Saturday. >> Um All right. Committee reports, please. Let's just hit the the bullets. >> Uh >> I'm going to try.
>> We'll make it quick. >> Yeah, make it quick. Councilman Dixon. >> Oh, committee reports. I'll I'll pass. I'll wait till next time. >> Thank you. We all Thank you. Counciloman Burns. >> I only have a few things. I'd like to start by thanking our emergency service personnel for escorting our state
champions into town on Sunday. That was really kind of that was something else. And thank you for everything else you do. I'd like to thank our wonderful police department for keeping us safe and secure no matter what comes our way. And in these times, we all know that that could be anything. So, thank you.
The DPW, a shout out for all you guys do every single day. Keep the town running smoothly. Um, Zumba Gold had 33 people participate today to dance. I think that's really pretty cool. Beautification committee is garden tour, garden tour, garden tour. More tickets
should be sold. Um, the event is Thursday the 25th during, I guess, part of our America, right? 250. >> So, the 25th we have a concert that night. So, the garden tour is during the day. >> The garden tours during the day. It's from 10 to 3. There are so many tremendous um gardens and and they're
exquisite, you know, in town. But if people don't buy a ticket and participate and go to see them, then it kind of just it falls a little short. And they've worked really hard on it. And there's raffles and there's prizes and it's just it's such a it's a beautiful day to really appreciate
everybody's talent and stuff is just um kind of extraordinary and I'm going to wrap it up with that. That's it. >> Thank you. >> Yep. >> Council me police report. There's a lot of bad people doing a lot of bad things. Uh the only thing I would like to say is that there have been since um um um
police activity since Memorial Day weekend. There have been 1,733 parking tickets. 600 tickets more than last year during the same time period. And with burrow ordinances, 600 burrow ordinances tickets were written for loitering, drinking in public, interference with
police, urinating in public, the usual stuff. And there were 55 arrests resulting in 74 criminal charges. um criminal trespass, criminal mischief, simple assault, aggravated assault. Again, bad people doing bad things. Congratulations to everybody that got promoted tonight. Welld deserved. And um I'm done.
>> Thank you, Council. >> I'm going to I'm going to say the bulk of my meetings for ne the next my report for next meeting. But I just want to say two things. Uh happy Father's Day coming up to the dads out there. >> Thank you. >> And um board of ed, there's a lot of great stuff. I will save it for the next
meeting. I do want to point out we're halfway through the year. I as their liaison have only been able to attend one board of education meeting >> and they still zero compromise. They will not send somebody or to our council
meetings >> to hear about their meeting. But anyway, there's a lot of good stuff going on with them, too. But okay, that's it for me for this meeting. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome, >> Councilman Cortez. >> All right. Well, >> you got to do the anniversaries. I have to do the anniversaries because we
didn't have a June meeting. Okay. Uh, police department, Jack Copalino, one year. Uh, Antonio Garcia, eight years. David Machete, eight years. Uh, Brian Bonitz, nine years. Public works, Kenny
Seals, five years. Michael Grim, five years. Uh, Jack Johnston, 21 years. Uh, finance, Christy Glass, 11 years. and uh building department Eric Sudia 18 years. Good for them.
>> Um public property buildings and grounds real quick. Water main project. They're still working northbound. I know if you've left tried to leave town, you get that one lane. I believe they are wrapping up. >> They are done this Friday. And >> this Friday >> done for the season.
>> Done for the season. This Friday. >> Uh that company was phenomenal to work with. And if you notice, they did patch the train lot where they were uh the water plant, uh new fences up, new security systems up that was paid, you know, came out of that uh homeland
security grant. >> On the agenda, a few items 1G, that was the Lincoln Avenue storm order. Um very, you know, completed that project. We actually looked at that when we were riding around the the burough
administrator, myself and Jack Johnston and Ray Savocle. Um one MN and O. Okay. I know it says 2024 road uh roadway improvement programs. That's uh pavements. That was New Jersey
Avenue, Central Avenue, Liberty Lane, and Freedom Lane. Those are the two small streets uh behind uh Arnold and Laurel uh from the band shell, but they were done. That's what that's on there. Um
2 Y is a uh uh DBW labor. That's a replacement. We lost a laborer. He went to the He's actually in the United States Army boot camp. >> Navy.
>> Navy. Sorry. Um, so I will save flood plane and senior committee. There is someone on the senior committee tonight to uh add to the uh committee >> and uh that's going pretty strong, but I'll save those for next meeting. All for me. >> All right. Thank you. Uh I just have
four things. Uh congrats to the boys baseball team who won group one champs for the first time in school history. >> Yeah. >> Uh beating Pmpton Lakes 10 to four on Sunday. I already spoke to the coaches, so they're going to march in the parade. We may get them on the fire trucks, but they're also going to come in here in
July for a formal proclamation. Uh I don't know if anybody saw, if not, the uh New Jersey Dlayed the implementation of New Jersey REAL, which were the new flood rules that were being uh discussed. Grace period is now extended, will allow projects to continue under
the old rules if completed permits are submitted before July 20th uh 20 uh 2027. And then we continue to oppose these new regulations with the other barrier island mayors. The grocery store, notice I didn't say prudent
important. The grocery store finalized their lease this morning, are continuing to make improvements. They're hoping to open in early July and will be hire making hires this week. Uh they do have a social media page called the Point Pleasant Beach Supermarket that is a legitimate page. At first I thought it
was fake, but I confirmed it is legitimate. So make sure you follow that page for more updates. And there may be uh a new name coming. Um two quick uh uh mayor's wellness events. Thursday, this Thursday from 12:30 to 1:30 and then
again at 6:30 to 7:30, Kate from Vive Sessions will with Kate will be doing Crystal Sound Bath at the Arnold Avenue Firehouse. And then on Saturday, June 20th, uh I'll be hosting a walk with the mayor at 10 a.m. We're going to meet at the River Avenue parking lot and walk to
the library where we get a tour and learn about all the services they provide. >> Joe, real quick, um we uh met with the flood plane management uh plan committee was newly formed. We had a meeting on
June 10th. uh went over the CRS um uh participation, how they can help uh get community outreach and help us get um lower points. Um we reviewed the Baris flood plane management plan and
everything was pretty we had a great meeting. It was informative, productive, several recommendations offered by the committee members and um we'll be implementing them in the coming months. So, next meeting will be September 16th at 3:00. And that's my report. Thank you, Eileen.
>> Much stuff was added today. Um, let's see. Actually, maybe not that much stuff. Uh, the agenda, the amended agenda was posted online. Um there was uh two C through 2F were
new. 3 C a typo. Um it it should have read fire department. Originally it said police department. It's fire department and actually that's it. >> All right. Great. >> Public participation first one. Anything on the agenda? Um we did discuss the
ordinances. So anything on the agenda? Five minute time limit. Dave Yeah, let's see. >> Good evening, Dave Cavano, 118 Parkway. Uh, the money that you're talking about for the 250 events,
is that in the endowment fund or >> Nope, it's the town budget. >> Town budget. Okay. uh 1J shore business solutions is also 2T we're averaging at least 13,000 a month that's over 150 grand why so much
>> they're taking care of our entire IT system for the burough hall all the departments >> there's a lot of infrastructure in the police department burough hall that they have to maintain >> and I don't want to sound too stupid but I'm presuming that's a competitive price Yes.
>> Okay. Uh 2J Coast Guard mold development. Are the taxpayers paying for that or the people doing their fund paying for that? >> That's the burrows paying for that. >> Paying for that. >> When did the people get their fund that they start paying?
>> Uh we're waiting on that, but we still have to fix that building up so that we could allow them to come in. But I don't know the status of their farm. >> And the DP cut it and leave it sounds kind of nice, but if you have long
grass, it creates mold. >> And if you have grass that has any sickness or whatever, that's also bad to do. So short grass, great idea, but if you let your grass go too long, bad idea. And why are you cancelling August? Uh that
was uh council president Gant uh made that request. I don't know the reason behind that >> because he wanted to cancel Gant but council council cancel August but put on >> put September back on or October back on. >> I was just wondering why take away August.
>> That was his decision. Not sure. He sent an email in. >> Okay. And stupid question. Is there a public two or should I give you a quick question now? >> We'll do a public two. >> We'll do second public. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Mhm. >> And want to follow the process.
>> Oh, what? One Z. One what? >> One Z. >> Who's the payment to? >> Yeah. >> Could I put my name in? >> Approval of payment to me there. >> No, I said it first. >> Catch. >> What's that for? >> Should say. >> Hold on. I'll tell you in a second.
>> Andy Cortez. Too late. Oh, really? Who's it for? >> I don't know. got knocked off. >> I'm glad you said I highlighted in the uh
>> I circled it. >> There's no onesie in the resolution. >> That should be in the look like there is a one. >> It doesn't look I don't know what happened there. >> So, no one's getting paid. >> Put my name in. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. Who's next? Hello. Uh, my name is Heather Dugos and this is my daughter Lily. Um, I >> just state your address, please. I'm sorry. >> I don't even fine. Okay. Okay. 357 19th Avenue. Brick. >> And spell your last name.
>> D L U G O S Z. >> Thank you. Uh, I am the owner of a small business, Heather's Hen Tattoos. I've owned it for 24 years and at that time it has grown from just myself. >> May I just ask is are you is this on an
agenda? >> It is um it's grown to a family business. I have several members of my family and my daughter here has discovered um a potential avenue to bring our business to the Point Pleasant community. So, we
filed an application for a um special events popup event on the boardwalk in any section that is considered municipal property and it was denied. So, uh we came this evening if this is an appropriate time to respectfully ask why
so that we might apply again and try again in the future. >> So, I could just read from the the chief's memo um talking about the boardwalk. Uh these areas experience extremely high pedestrian volumes and available space is limited. Placement of
table stands or similar vendor setups would obstruct the free flow of foot traffic, create significant public safety concerns, including interference with the emergency access and crowd movement. Um yeah, so that's why in the summer season, I mean, I don't know, you
know, there's there's other areas in town that you may explore. I know you want to try and get the most bang for your buck on the boardwalk, but um you know the chief denied it based off of that. And I you know I do know going up there it is very very crowded. So any type of tables or structures kind of
limits the flow. But you know I'm willing to work with you guys and see if there's any other space in town that you'd be willing to do uh and then we could do another special event and try and get it passed. >> Excellent. >> Who who is the chief you're talking about? >> So Chief uh Kovaleeski from the chief >> chief of police.
>> He's the chief of police, right? referring to the couple of specific spots. I I know in our application I put some mockup images like right near Martell's right by Chippy's French fries. >> Yeah, just anywhere on the boardwalk, right? That's going to hinder the the foot flow. >> Any place further away from those hot
talks, maybe like past the bath houses. >> So, the boardwalk is going to be a tough sale. I I'll talk to the chief. Would you reach out to my my email address and phone number's on the website? >> Uh reach out to me. I'll talk to the chief and we'll see if we could come up with a different location. I would say probably and lieutenant, correct me if
I'm wrong, the boardwalk in the summer is going to be a tough cell. >> It always gets tough. If you looked on the agenda right below you, another denial. >> There's another denial, right? >> For a sip and sample event just on one date. And and it's it's because that is the widest part of the boardwalk right there in front of um just south of
Martell's or or the Crab Shack. But other you can't impede the flow. We over the years, you know, my 13 years up here, we have >> unfortunately denied some people because of that. But like the mayor said, >> that'd be great if you
>> there's other opportunities that we can reach out. >> Reach out to me, email me, and then I'll I'll talk to the chief and him and I will figure out just give me your contact info so I could get back to you. >> Excellent. >> All right. And I'm sorry you had to wait four hours just for this. I truly apologize. >> Just just just just a suggestion that
comes to my head. We are starting up again the um uh the farmers market farmers market in the train lot which gets a huge attraction of people. Why don't you talk to them about maybe getting a getting a table to do something in the farmers market? It's >> and that's as very fresh but if you
reach out to me I could get you the contact for them already. >> Yeah, we we actually are approved for that. >> Oh, good. Be proactive. >> All right. >> Um I have one last question. Would this have to be for next month's meeting or would this >> It would have to be for next month's meeting. >> Okay. Well, we can talk to you prior to
>> talk to me prior. >> Yeah, of course. >> 100%. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thanks again for waiting around. >> Good luck with your business. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else on first public? >> Motion closed >> here. Thank you. Can I get a second to close first?
>> I'll make a second. >> No. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> uh can I get a motion to uh adopt consent resolution uh 123? Well, I need to recuse myself from >> when you when you vote. You could do that.
>> I'll make a motion. >> Yay. >> Do I have a second? >> John Dixon just seconded it. >> Okay, perfect. >> Councilman Dixon, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Burns, >> yes. >> Councilman Ramos,
>> yes. >> Councilwoman Silson. >> Okay. On 2A, I have to recuse myself. Abstain. >> Abstain. Yeah. >> Recuse. >> And then 2 AA. 2 AA.
And then 2B. I'm going to be voting no on only because I just I haven't had a chance to look through it yet. Partly my own fault. >> Handbook. >> 100% my own fault. And then um I do have
a question about uh oh my gosh, where is it now? About the vet. Remember um Joe uh I had asked about the vet. There's >> that's on the bill list. Yes. >> There's a Yeah, there's a fee for like
an exotic animal avon and exotic animal vet for almost $3,000. And when I asked what it was for, I was really shocked to learn that it was to euthanize like birds and raccoons and possums. And I was just wondering if we can clarify the
situations when that would have happened. >> These are bills going back from 2022. I believe I was only been the bar administrator for a year. This is back when Muskrat Jack was handling our services and
they are from what I understand is these bills are being brought to line and kind of laid dormant for a while. So they're all kind of in transition to come up to date with the new uh the new um >> animal control officer. How they
operate. I am not a animal control officer so I don't >> because I I just was just wondering because um I can't remember maybe a few years ago we had like clearcut the little silver lake and there was some push back because like geese were
wandering around and animals were wandering around. I was just wondering did we euthanize those wild animals? >> We didn't go on a killing spree last week. >> We did not. >> No, not last week. >> Yeah. No, I'm just saying that. >> I mean I was on council at the time. I don't remember. Why would I remember
that? But if it's muskrat track, we've had some raccoon issues here. We've had a bunch of babies. It could have been they've been hit by a car and he euthanized. >> So it's not like we're slaughtering animals. >> Nobody did anything cruel. >> With regard to geese, I'm remembering Mr. Cavar making a good suggestion on
that. >> Like what? >> That's why we have the MIJ problem because we're just killing all the possums and stuff that eat those things. So, you know, it's counterproductive. Uh, okay. Council >> Cortez,
>> yes on everything except no on 2 W. >> I think we should be here for every meeting. >> All right. Second public participation. Three minutes. Please state your name and address. You can talk about anything you'd like.
Dave. Dave Kavana Parkway. Quick question. Status of the senior committee money in the endowment fund. >> No idea. You have to ask the endowment fund people. It's not a >> the last council meeting you said you were going to have a discussion. >> We still haven't had that discussion
yet. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Any idea when? >> Nope. >> Nope. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else? Second public. >> Talk about anything. >> Uh yes, my name's my name is Kevin
O'Donnell. Uh my permanent address is 19 Noddingham Road in Manalapin. Uh I addressed this body back in December uh on the issue of um >> access accessibility.
>> All right. And um you were very gracious and you told me you were going to take it under consideration. I've been staying in the area helping a friend, assisting a friend who's going through a long-term illness. Um well, it's June
now and I haven't seen anything change. I drove up and down Ocean A over the weekend and again today and there are hundreds of spaces,
many of them metered and not one from C Avenue to Broadway is um disabled accessible. Not one.
Um I also did a survey of the lot there on uh the corner of Arnold and Ocean and down to Baltimore. >> Y >> that lot is just barely but it is in compliance with nine spaces out of 450
plus. Uh so that's uh how >> the the the burrow is presenting itself to people with access needs. And I don't think it's a good look.
And um if someone could direct me to uh I'm I'm pretty sure you have uh an ADA responsible uh professional in the in the barrel, right?
>> And if they could tell me uh if in fact the way you have chosen to ignore >> uh accessible parking um is in compliance with ADA
regulations. >> Yeah, Kevin, just uh Ocean Avenue is a county road, >> right? So they they would have that jurisdiction over >> who's collecting the money for those paid parking spaces. So
>> we do >> what? So you have you collect something you collect and I'm not No, no, I'm not disputing. In fact, when I was here in December, right, >> uh a representative came to me after the meeting informally and told me that
specifically about Ocean Avenue, >> right? But they're still collecting the money, >> right? >> I guess to Councilman Cortez's point is if it takes a little bit of effort and process to put a handicap ramp uh
handicap spots on Ocean to deal with the county. Not saying we can't do that. We we will definitely >> Have any steps been taken since December when I was informally notified that that's the route that the town that the burrow would have to go through? >> Did you speak to a member of the governing body? Hm.
>> Did you speak to a member of the governing body after your meeting informally? >> No. A representative that was in the room. Okay. >> An official in the room, not a member of the governing body, >> informally approached me and uh echoed
uh uh Councilman Cortez's remarks. >> You know, I have a call a call this week with the county engineer. I could I bring it up to them happily. >> Okay. I appreciate that. >> Sure. >> But >> by the way, I wasn't on the council in December. I just
>> No, I just want to say this is a beautiful place. >> This this town is truly a treasure. >> Thank you. >> Okay. And I think that you know we could do a better job of, pardon my pun, putting
its best foot forward. >> So reach out to Councilwoman Stilson. She will uh since she's got the meeting scheduled, she'll update you on on that. >> Right. And uh one last thing >> um to you mayor. >> Yeah.
>> Um can I make a or and can I encourage u members of the local communities here to make personal contributions to the 250 event? >> Yes. >> Any contributions is >> we've had personal contributions. >> Yeah. Is there a place on the website
that >> uh it might be on our website? If not, it's on Are you on social media on Facebook? >> Uh no, I don't do that. >> Okay. Send me an email and I'll get you the sponsorship letter. >> Okay, great. Y >> Thank you. >> Anybody else? >> Thank you, >> Joe.
>> Good evening everybody. Joe Sickle, 2011 New York Avenue. And with all due respect to the council, trying to straighten out the issue with the endowment fund is becoming a major problem.
Can we get a meeting? Can we get people together to try to finally bring this to a resolve so we can get committees financed so we can get money put where they belong and payments made where they have to be? This has been going on.
>> I I understand and and >> I'm the one that's taking an awful lot of heat for it. >> And so am I because I'm getting some of the other committees coming up to me saying they have donations they need to put in. They have bills they have to pay. The animal welfare can't even buy cat food for uh the cats. So it's
becoming a bigger problem all because of whatever political stuff started this. So yes, we are trying to work it out. Uh I've asked the uh burough attorney to reach out uh to a member of the uh the endowment fund to work their attorney to
work through that. So I'm confident that Mike Collins will at least report back after that conversation. >> Thank you, Mike. Sure. >> And and that is a priority. Yep. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else? >> Motion to close. >> No.
Good. Motion to close. >> Second. Second. >> Thank you. All in favor? >> Motion to adjourn. >> Second motion. >> All in favor?
>> Thank you. And thank you for your patience, >> Pascal. Thank you. >> Holy macaronis. >> All good. >> Push the gloves. Can I push back? Not because
>> I remember I was be crying. >> Thank you for your patience. >> Thank you. >> See, here we go. >> Okay. >> I got my zone. >> I know that. I know that back of my
hand. Look what I brought tonight. >> We're going to be meeting on that pretty soon. I don't think we firmed up a date yet. >> We're trying to get this plugged in. >> Here I have. And here's all our strings
>> and how wide they are. >> Yeah, that's good. I want to look for me. Yes, Steve. >> Is that from you know what happened? I deleted her name. >> I just noticed that today. >> I wasn't sending her an email. It's
tomorrow night 7 here. >> Hey. >> Oh, let me send it to the Chamber of Commerce. I was googling >> 1v and the reason the reason we're allowed to charge
the spots because everybody wants you know the county >> we have if you're staying you know over here we have that overnight parking >> was the one that was taking