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Part 1 (Video ID: xmGZwk5R3vA):
- 00:00:42: Initial Chatter and Introduction to the Livestream
- 00:03:44: Special Meeting Called; Pledge and Invocation
- 00:05:07: Motion to Enter Executive Session; Zoning Legal Issues
- 00:07:12: Post-Executive Session Chatter
- 00:14:31: Informal Conversation After Session
- 00:18:57: Casual Talk and Laughter in the Room
- 00:23:24: Relaxed Banter and Informal Discussions
- 00:27:49: Informal Conversation Before Open Session
- 00:34:47: Casual Banter Before Resuming Meeting
- 00:37:13: Informal Discussion Before The Main Meeting Resumes
- 00:38:17: Discussion in Anticipation for Meeting To Start
- 00:43:35: Small Talk Before Meeting's Key Discussions
- 00:47:48: Informal Talk and Catching Up; Background Info
- 00:50:02: Continuation of Casual Meeting Talk
- 00:57:21: Continuation of Casual Meeting Talk
- 01:00:40: Continued Chatting
- 01:04:26: Informal Chatter During Public Meetings
- 01:07:28: Casual Conversation
- 01:11:44: Discussion on Charging Infrastructure and Random Conversations
- 01:14:09: Open Session Resumes: Clearing Misinformation, Introducing Presentation
- 01:15:27: Sea Streak Presentation; Clarifying Traffic and Concerns
- 01:24:31: Council Questions; Clarifying Ticket Sales, Terminal Definition
- 01:28:04: Ramp, Bathroom Details; Sea Streak, Police Coordination
- 01:30:31: Discussion on Vessel Size, Riparian Rights, Coast Guard
- 01:33:01: Inlet Drive Scenarios; Traffic, Uber Services, Shuttles
- 01:36:19: Discussion on Zoning Application for Previous Properties
- 01:38:42: Boat Pickup Scenarios; Red's Capacity, Communication Plans
- 01:40:54: Council Rant; Zoning, Approvals, Community Presentation
- 01:42:16: Zoning Change Required; Alcohol Policy Discussion
- 01:43:35: Communication with Park Rangers; Commuting
- 01:45:46: Reviewing Zoning Approvals; Ferry Operation Considerations
- 01:47:24: Public Comment 1: Site Plan; Handicapped Accessibility
- 01:50:16: Public Comment 2: Traffic and Bus Concerns
- 01:51:26: Public Comment 3: Parking Issues; Hotels Availability
- 01:52:15: Council Clarifies Alternate Travel; Bus Issues Addressed
- 01:53:18: Public Comment 4: Notifying Resident on Boat Count
- 01:59:12: Public Comment 5: Additional Parking Calculations
- 02:02:48: Council Response To Previous Parking Concerns
- 02:05:01: Public Comment 6: Added Traffic and Car Issues
- 02:06:54: Sea Streak Clarification on Large Boat Ticket Sales
- 02:07:10: Questions About Ferry Landing Spots and Existing Locations
- 02:10:39: How Residents are Contacted About Arrival
- 02:14:01: Public Comment 7: Coast Guard Building Open; Parking Discussion
- 02:23:18: Public Comment 8: Concerns on Ken's Landing Comparison
- 02:25:46: Public Comment 9: Pontoon Boat Arrivals: Management
- 02:29:16: Council Member on Mayor Announcement
- 02:33:48: President on Lack of Municipality Notification
- 02:38:22: Questioning What's Good About Ferry Excursion
- 02:40:50: Council; Zoning Issue, Ordinance Issue
- 02:56:28: Council Votes on Ordinance


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This is cool. I always do because it gonna be live stream tonight. >> I heard that. >> I heard that it was down. Someone just texted me. Well, I just turned it on. >> Oh, okay. >> The live stream is working.

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>> Yeah. Here's actual footage of outside right now. >> That's awesome. That's very cool. I'm like, wait a second. Art was on the order. He's gonna Yeah, I just saw him like

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five minutes ago. Hello. Yeah, >> but it's heal and nice. >> You should have lost it. Were you just behind me truck? Oh, you almost hit me on you.

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I think when you're ready. >> I'm sorry. The special meeting was called pursuant to the provisions of the open public meetings act. Notice of this meeting was posted to the public notices page of the burough website on May 22nd, 2026. In addition, notices were posted on the board and board in the municipal building on the municipal website and

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and filed in the office of the municipal clerk on a forementioned date and have remained continuously posted. >> Mayor Vitali >> here, >> Council Dixon >> here. Counciloman Barnes >> here, Ramos. Council >> here. Council >> Stson >> here. Council >> here.

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>> Please rise for the pledge to remain standing for the invocation. I >> pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. It

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>> is most appropriate that in this country which was founded on the bedrock of religious freedom for all people, that we take this opportunity to ask for guidance. First, we give thanks for the freedoms that we share. In particular, We appreciate our freedom speech. Second, we ask for guidance in the decisions that we deliberate on this evening. We all do not share the same

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opinion on each topic to be considered, but we must evaluate the views of others. Therefore, we ask for guidance that the people of Point Pleasant Beach benefit from our decisions. Third, we ask blessings for those assembled here this evening as well as all the residents of Point Pleasant Beach. >> Good evening everybody. Uh can I get a

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motion to go into executive session? >> Make that motion. I'll second >> section 8 of the open public meetings act inclusion of the public from meeting certain circumstances whereas governing bodies of the opinion that such circumstances presently exist now therefore be resolved by the mayor council of the burough because of each

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county version state of New Jersey as follows. The public shall be excluded from discussions concerning the here and after specified subject matter. The general nature of the subject matter discusses as follows. Legal issues legal advice on zoning issue. It is anticipated that the subject matter discussed may be made public upon

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its conclusion or final disposition. To go on to close Dixon, >> yes. Counciloman, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Everybody come back.

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They do a good protocol. Yeah, today I know. Why did you just come in? That makes a lot more. Absolutely. Well, it's I mean That's

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right. So it was really like Yes. You're welcome. We have six Hello. It's probably So I will pretend Everybody

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most of the spots here. Sorry. Another She's so amazing. Look at Yeah. service. Crazy. Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah. I just kind of got that. It's good. Nice. Dr. Just welded Yeah. Yeah, Trust You can actually hear Next one.

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Oh yeah, somewhere there. Yeah, close to it. comes in the airport and then I'm on the opposite side of the room. The lunch was yesterday. That'll help. Yeah, that's We have a manifest for every

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Nice to see you. at the top. At least these are I'm trying to remember actually Look how fast they go. Yeah. A hole detected me. about

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He said he would resource. commercial in the Let's cut our throat. >> And you know what? Christmas heard about that. town. Jersey

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walk in. All cops must all hospital. Like his family's on a way to pick him up. He has Christmas dinner.

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ABC. I did. So pizza Whatever. 20 to 15 years old. answer any questions you may ask. because it's My guy has posit. Christmas.

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And I'm also The family was called What do you think? How are you? It's good. Nice to meet you. I saw the big picture. It's actually

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this manager. Prior to that, >> that's all I hear. Oh, really? Okay. So it's like you're looking at >> my friends with her and she always told me She told me

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this is nothing. Did you remember So they very well sent me We present. We'll be inspired by

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I have a So it says We do look I mean That's going to be Can't explain. 27. I don't know. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

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I saw your There we go. Thank you so I really did. >> Yeah. It's a mess. No, they departed. Last really

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I just went to Marathon. Okay, this looks more like I need some support. Almost. I love that. That's all. Thank you.

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flowers. Hey Captain That's more Yeah, that's an hour right in front of still is sitting. Middle.

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Well, that's easy. I mean, it's not figured out where charging infrastructure. >> That's so cool. Hello. Yeah, right.

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All right. Thank you guys for patiently waiting. Oh, we have to do anything to come out. >> Uh motion to resume open session. >> All right. Can I get a motion to resume? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> All right. So, thank you guys for patiently waiting. Uh just a couple

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things I want to say before we get into discussion. First off, um I want to just clear up some misinformation that's been on social media. Uh myself nor any of the governing body members had advanced notice that this was happening. Uh I

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literally found out last Tuesday, uh two hours before the council meeting. Uh I announced it at the council meeting. Um I assume that there were all these logistical issues taken care of, which come to find out they weren't. That's why we're here tonight to kind of talk

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through this with our professionals, uh, members of the sea streak and and the public as well. So, um, just want to get that out on record. I think the way we're going to do this is I'm going to call up, uh, members of the sea streak, Bill Clearary to do some sort of presentation on what this is going to

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look like. Um, because there's some questions that we don't have answers to. So let them present and then we could go from there and have the public uh ask any questions they want. Uh all questions will be directed to the governing body and then I will decide if

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the uh if the uh if our professionals will answer the questions and we'll stick to a fivem minute rule. So if you guys want to come up and just kind of give us >> Yeah. and just state your name and address. >> Sure. William Cleary, 49 Inlet Drive, Point Pleasant Beach, which is the

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location of Captain Bills, where the purported fair is going to land. >> Sure. Um, >> see if you could hold that mic up or speak into that. Yeah. >> Or bend over. >> You could hold it up. >> Okay. Um, so

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Mr. Vitali is correct. Mayor Rally is correct in that uh while Sea Streak and I were discussing this loosely for uh probably started about nine months ago. Um they visited the location. Uh Marissa

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and I went on vacation for a lengthy period of time. We communicated periodically with them and they were uh in the process of getting uh approval from Coastg Guard sector Delaware Bay for operation of the ferry in this region. Um,

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Sea Streak and I went back and forth uh via emails very cooperatively to ultimately determine whether the site was feasible and thereafter what our contract would would look like. It was uh Monday of last week, Monday

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night or early Tuesday that we finally had a signature uh that I signed uh the agreement after some negotiation and I immediately reached out to uh Mayor Vitali. Chamber of Commerce was aware of it because Chamber of Commerce had made

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the introduction and uh of course my first instinct was hey this is going to be great for the town. can we please uh get together as soon as possible to discuss um how we can how we can integrate this

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opportunity into the community at large. Um and frankly thereafter I was somewhat surprised by uh the reaction of the community expressing concerns. But as I as I reflected on it um I said to

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myself, hey, I'm a resident here. If I wasn't involved in the planning and I didn't have significant maritime experience and I didn't know the professionals at Sea Streak, I would be concerned too. Uh so as I looked at the comments for the most part the comments

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were expressing legitimate concern. So my next uh move was to reach out to uh Chief Colesi and uh Mr. Michigan about what we could do to satisfy the public

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concerns uh about logistic about primarily traffic. Um, and based on my experience in Point Pleasant Beach and in Inlet Drive, the police department here is fantastic at handling traffic.

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Secondly, uh, I I I did notice from the comments that I thought people were wildly overestimating the volume of traffic that's going to occur and segreg. So, uh that from my perspective, knowing

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uh how cooperatively the police department works, uh with both residents and businesses in town, I anticipated that we could solve these problems. And I was looking forward to my meeting tomorrow morning with uh Mayor Vitali and other officials, Carol

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Vicaro and the police chief. And uh shortly after that, I became aware that there was a potential zoning issue. Um, given my experience directly on the

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water uh in in a commercial zone with with a a large fuel dock and observing for more than 20 years the the vessel traffic that goes back and forth. In my mind, I'm I'm thinking this is clearly a

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marine commercial zone. I'm also aware from those observations that on a typical day, on a typical summer day, the charter boats, particularly the larger headboats, uh the smaller boats, the

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private fishermen, some of them that patronize me, uh the water taxis, which are constantly running back and forth that I'm constantly blowing a a signal horn to to get them to slow down. Um those entities

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bring on a daily basis, sometimes on multiple occasions, way more way more passengers embarking and disembarking than would ever come on a single sea street ferry. Not only that, they have cars. Uh not only that, they get on and

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off the boats and they don't patronize the rest of the businesses in town like the sea passengers would be coming to do. So again, uh and Perhaps it was my naive tay. I was surprised by the

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zoning issue. I don't feel like it's a zoning issue because it's been characterized. I think the I think the objection is that we're trying to create a ferry terminal. We are not trying to create a ferry terminal. This is an excursionbased vessel with

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reservations that are made online. There's no ticket service. There's no separate housing for uh there's no separate housing or facilities for the customers to for the ferry customers to hang out in. They're going to arrive by

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Uber, leave by boat, arrive by boat, leave by Uber or f uh friends and family bicycle shuttle as we were going to talk about tomorrow. We were hoping to establish reestablish the shuttle that we supported in the past and from our

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businesses and which worked so great for the community. So um I I I strongly feel that this operation is no different certainly no more imposing than um than the other

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marine vessels that operate directly in front of that property. Most importantly, if the board feels otherwise or if zoning assistant is insistent on determining otherwise, I would hope that given my efforts to

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bring the community in and given the legitimate misconception at at worst that could have taken place that I'd be given an opportunity to operate so that we can have an observation about what's actually taking place, where the

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problems are, and then proceed with the appropriate remedies with the appropriate variances as as the board and zoning uh deems necessary. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. >> Um I guess I could open it up to

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questions from the governing body. Um I guess one of my question so you talk about the Uber service on a Friday afternoon. Are there plans in place with maybe Sea Streak to have uh boots on the ground there just kind of helping to

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direct all of that traffic? Um and and where are they going to park? Where where So you had mentioned in one of your emails that Reds would not be open at that time and you can use >> and I I I was I was incorrect. Uh I was looking at the departure time from New

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York. Okay. that they're going to arrive at 12:45, which is shortly after we after we open. >> And it's typically not a busy time for us. It typically doesn't get busy till a little bit after. >> But um you raised a good point which was that you know what are we going to do

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about these numbers and what are the ubers going to do? sea streak is capable and willing to communicate with whatever authorities the board and the police chief deems most appropriate to establish the number of people that are

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actually on the ferry. So does so we don't need to guess um you know if there are 75 people that's less than a headboat and and if it's 200 people it's a little bit more. We'll adjust accordingly. the police department will

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rather and bring in whatever additional uh personnel is needed to manage those. We've also offered uh as is evident in my correspondence to um compensate the police department for any special

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officers or uh law enforcement personnel that's necessary. >> Does that answer you? >> Yes. >> I open it up to the rest of the council if there's any questions. Does Yeah. Good evening, Bill. Um, does the

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sea streak that go to the Highlands um take tickets online for that? >> Yes, please. >> And just state your name and address for the record, please. >> Sure. Uh, Jack Beavens with Seek 21st Avenue, Atlantic Islands, New Jersey. >> Could you please spell your name?

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>> Uh, J A C Bevven Bee V I N S. >> Yeah. And just if you're called up, you come up >> the sea street when it docks up at the Highlands. Are reservations made online there? >> Uh for commuter service? No, reservations are not made online >> and it's strictly commuter

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>> uh or services out of Highlands for commuter service or commuter tickets. >> Okay. Do you do any other services out of the Highlands like whale watching other things like that? >> Yes, we do. We run various uh leisure trips or excursions that do require reservations and are reservation based. >> Okay. So those are excursions too.

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Correct. >> But it is a ferry terminal. The Highlands calls that a ferry terminal. Correct. >> Yes. It it's the business started as a ferry service. >> So you bring people from Manhattan down to the Highlands. It's a ferry terminal >> for commuter services. Yes. But then we also run excursions. >> Forget commuter. People are people. So

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you're bringing people from Manhattan down to Point Pleasant Beach. That's a ferry terminal in my opinion. >> Not an excursion. Even though tickets are online. Am I right? Also, it's a reservation based special trip. That's what it is. >> But you're bringing people to the

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Highlands from Manhattan down and they're commuters. They're people on the boat. 200 300 people whether they're commuters or not. You're bringing the same people down, but you're calling it an excursion instead of a ferry terminal. I don't buy that. >> Well, you're you're mixing commuters or

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or passenger ridership up with a facility. >> I just I >> So, I run service also, just for example, from Highlands, New Jersey up to Cold Spring, New York all fall. Um, there's a dock there. It's not a ferry terminal. It's a dock. >> Well,

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it could be semantics. I I think it's the same. You don't call it an excursion. Um, and obviously >> and it's also and it's also reservation based. >> And again, I met um James Barker. >> Yes, he's president. >> I met him on Friday. I disclosed who I

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was. I was at Jenson's and I asked him if I could ask some questions. We had a nice conversation. We did. He told me he communicated with the with our chamber three months ago and Bill you said it's nine months. Well, in that time you could have reached out maybe to you you

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know the zoning because you know the marine commercial zone ferry terminal is not listed as a permitted use. Um you know you could have reached out just to make sure instead of I'm not opposed to this service. I just don't like it was the

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way it was rolled out. Let me put it that way. plain, Mr. Excuse me, >> I I really appreciate where you're coming from. In hindsight, I wish I I had done it differently. Um, however,

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I I still feel that in in in this is very very far from the traditional sense of a ferry terminal. There's no building infrastructure. There's no there's no overnight moing of these vessels. In fact, Sea Streak has

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it down to such a science that their the time between the they're arriving and leaving is under a half an hour. Some sometimes closer to 15 minutes. >> That that's a water taxi drop off from from

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if if you know in my opinion. >> I don't want to leave without saying I appreciate where you're coming from. Um, >> okay. >> Bill, can you talk to us a little bit about um about bathrooms and like the on and off ramps from the boat? >> Absolutely. >> We'll let Sea Streaks speak about the on

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and off ramps because they have a they're liable for passengers that get injured. They do everything that they can to avoid that. They'll describe the ramp for you in a moment if that's okay. >> Sure. We currently have five existing

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public bathrooms within 70 ft of the point where they get off. However, >> wait, five? >> We have five. Help me with that. >> Uh, three at Reds, two at Captain Bills. >> Oh, you mean just at your property? >> Yes. >> I thought you were talking about the inlet bathrooms. No.

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>> Okay. All right. Okay. >> Good point, though. >> So, Sea Streak has bathrooms on board all vessels, both men and women's bathrooms. Handicap accessible as well. Correct. >> Yes. >> We have handicap accessible bathrooms at

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Reds, five bathrooms in total. But I I have mentioned I I apologize. I don't remember which letter it was, but I've also mentioned that if the board is zoning or if anyone on the board deems it appropriate along with uh the police uh compensated police presence, we are

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happy to provide additional temporary bathrooms in the form of uh rental bathrooms. >> Okay. And and frankly, Kitty, >> we don't want our bathrooms to be overrun overrun either. So, if that occurs, that's something we would do instantly.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. >> I have a I have a question for you, M. >> Sorry, Councilman Dixon. Uh, can you just talk about the the ramp? You had a question? >> Yeah. The on from the boat. >> Yes. So the uh the the proposed vessel that's uh for the service or for the excursion service

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um is certified for 505 passengers. We don't expect to carry that um coming down here. There are uh three restrooms on board um we do have one handicap, two standard uh heads and the vessels are capable of not only side loading but also bow loading um which we are looking to do. And they're built with

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articulating bow ramps where the center bow structure of the vessel is hydraulic. So it'll come down when it pulls into the dock and then we have a portable gang way that'll be deployed from there. >> Now if you say bow railing you so boat would be um perpendicular to the dock. >> We can go side two or bow. We could do

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either or. >> And you said you you were thinking about going the bow loading. >> Either either or whether it's side loading or bow loading. >> Do with the bow loading. How long is that boat? How >> uh the boat's 120 foot. >> So would that bill what would that be like to stick out when it's the bow

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loading? So I have a 100 foot riparian grant uh >> from which >> from both >> okay >> from both reds and from from Captain Bill >> okay >> 120 foot vessel will stick out 20 ft beyond it but that's no different than

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the gambler who who docks perpendicular >> that's a good point when they pull in when they pull in you're saying they come perpendicular >> 140 foot in the brochure >> it's exaggerated You always say, you always say your boat's a little bigger than what it is.

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>> Come on. >> And the co and the and was the Coast Guard having any concerns about that about the boat being out? Like what were their comments about it? >> And just so anybody knows, a repairarian rights is that if you're on the waterfront, that means that you have the

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right correct the right out to the water. 100 ft out to the water. That's what repairarian rights. >> Yes. Um, so despite the fact that I have a 100 foot riparian grant that, you know, we buy and we pay taxes on that,

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that property is considered, you know, ours. >> Yeah. >> We are not allowed to build on it. If we could, I would have a luxury marina there already. But you need to keep uh you're only allowed to build structure 40 feet out so that passing vessels in

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that particular area, it's a it's an army corps right of way are uh are not impeded in their passage. Impeding means permanent obstruction. >> The all these boats work with each other coming in and out. Um the uh the vessels

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at the at the co-op stack 90 feet out and dock there overnight side by side 330 foot vessels. >> So so the and and I may have overstated the length of time it takes them to embark and disembark. In some cases they do it in 12 minutes. Regardless,

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regardless, uh, their vessel will be in and out. And to the extent a crossing vessel, um, has to pause for a moment or go around them, that is routine, and I'm not speculating. I I see that every day.

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>> We have 140 foot clamors that come in and out of there, and the professional mariners all pause for each other. They know what's going on. And and Bill, I think a lot of the residents around that area are concerned with just like, okay, I mean, we're always like, oh, it won't be 500. Let's say it's 500 passengers

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and it's like a glorious day and the town is packed. Like kind of walk me through that scenario on Inlet Drive. >> Okay. Um, Inlet Inlet Drive has the advantage of of being, as you know, triple wide as compared to some streets in the town.

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Nevertheless, in fairness, there are times when it gets crowded when the gambler is loading and unloading. Sometimes traffic backs up. Shrimp box traffic often backs up while they while they have valet. So, the first thing we would do, as I mentioned previously, was we would be notifying the police

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department if they desire of not a not a rough number, the exact number of passengers on board. Sea Street can speak to the fact that typically unlike a commuter ferry the excursion fairies are typically coming in large groups uh families for example couples and and

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they are ride sharing. I've uh proposed to Mayor Vitali and to Carol that we discuss in tomorrow's meeting uh means by which we can amplify Uber service and shuttle service so that we can move those people out of there quickly.

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They'll get off the boat quickly. Uh, contrary to what some people might think, we reds, my fiance and I, nor Captain Bills wants 500 people lurking because that that will interrupt our service and make everyone unhappy.

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Likewise, Sea Streak doesn't want people getting off the boat and and being stranded or being stuck in a traffic jam. >> So, uh, I'm not going to say we're going to play it by ear. That sounds totally unprepared, but after tomorrow's meeting

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when we uh where we talk about the potential for enhancing shuttle service and talking about Ubers, I've spoken to several Uber drivers, by the way. >> Uh not just an Uber drivers, people that are familiar with Jensen and other operations in this town. Jensen, for

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example, has a a turnaround requirement that they all comply with. They all know it. They all comply with with it. I'm sure in no time we will come up with uh a solution. Perhaps there's a pathway or uh with cones like we do on the tug of

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war or the chowder fest as we used to where people that are or like you see in New York airport where people waiting to taxis or other people waiting to leave stay in a particular line. >> The goal is going to be to get them out of there as quickly as possible.

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>> Gotcha. And Bill, I'm sorry. What meeting tomorrow? >> Immediately after we got we signed this on last Tuesday. I reached out to Mayor Vitali and the chamber and said, "Can we please get together? I think this is a great opportunity. I'd like to see how we can integrate it into the community."

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>> The mayor said, "Congratulations. That's great. >> I'm I'm happy to talk to you about that." >> Okay. All right. >> Councilman Dixon. >> Yeah. I have a few questions for you. You said you started talking about this nine months ago. >> Yeah. >> You've been around for 20 something years dealing with waterfront. You've

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bowed restaurants. You've been involved with all that kind of I'm on a license 100 ton. >> When you when you >> when you when you went to the town to approve your present location with the dock, the gas, the apartments, and the

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store, did you uh submit a U zoning zoning uh application? >> I made I made a zoning application to add the fuel docks. >> Okay. Well, my question is why didn't you do that for this?

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Well, as I said previously, it didn't strike me as something that was required given that it's a dock and I'm not I'm not changing the use of the dock one centilla from what it was before. I >> changing the use of your property.

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>> I I understand where you're coming from, but I don't see it that way. Had I had I thought that was a possibility, I would have made the application. >> Okay. Did you uh did you put in for a uh waterfront development permit? >> It's not needed. We're not I'm not doing

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anything on the water. >> You're put pilings there, don't you? >> There are there are 18 pilings there right now. We're reducing the number. If when Caffer hears about it, the next time I tell them about the property for whatever reason, they're going to say, "Thank you for reducing the number of

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pilings." >> So, you're saying you don't need a waterfront development? Okay. >> Correct. >> I don't know about that. I think you do. Um >> I um >> where these people Mr. Dixon if I may just elaborate on that a little bit. Mr.

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Savakool uh s when we went to the town and asked him to simply elevate our decks, eliminate an old lobster tank and slightly expand I think about by about six feet a very

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overburdened kitchen. He said, "I love the idea, Bill, but you have to go to Cath." Two and a half years later, and over $100,000 later, hiring engineers, an attorney, and uh one of the Coastal

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Permitting, one of the best companies around here, we finally got that permit. I'm not afraid of doing that application if I needed to, and if and if if it's so indicated, I will. But in my experience owning multiple waterfront properties, I don't need it for this.

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>> A code official feels uh different. Um my question is on Sunday when you when uh sea tricks on its way down to Point Pleasant Beach to pick these people up. Let's just say there's 200 people, 300 people. >> Fair fair number. >> And it's raining out. It's 95 degrees

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out, 100% humidity. Where are they going to go? Where are they where they hanging out? Um I'm I'm inclined to think that it won't be the beach um because of the rain. >> You said raining, right? >> Oh, I mean they have a downpour right

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there. Where just forget that. Let's say it's 100° out. Humidity is 100%. You have no shelter. You don't have anything there. What are the Where are these people going to go? >> They're going to get in their cars and go to their ultimate destination. No, >> I'm talking about why they're waiting for the the ride to go back to New York.

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>> Oh. Where are they going? Where are they going to hang out? By the boat's late 45 minutes. What are you going to be doing? >> Great. The boat's The boat is typically early, but I understand your question. Um, we have uh we are reconfiguring the

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inside of Captain Bill's landing, the the baby tackle shop, so that we can accommodate an additional number of standing patrons. Not a lot, a dozen or two dozen. Reds has a capacity of 145 to

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150 people on the on the deck. Most importantly though, consistent with our desire to integrate the community, we're going to speak to we've already spoken to a shrimp box centers, local hotels that are all eager to see these

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customers and we're going to communicate with the passengers about the availability of other facilities in the area. In fact, that's another item on the agenda. Tomorrow, we're going to coordinate this type of comm communication and work with Sea

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Street and their marketing department to let them know what's available in town. >> Like I said, I'm not 100% against what you want to do. I'm a thousand% against how you roll this out. This is a terrible >> Yeah. >> presentation.

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You You got nothing. The town has no we don't have a zoning application. We don't have anything from you other than, hey, we're here. We're going to pull our boat up and dump people off. It's not right. The police department has to come up with a plan. They're not even sure what you guys are up to. They don't know

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whether you're going to have 50 people or 500 people. It's they got people in the neighborhood. They have no clue this is even going on. This should be presented in front of a board. You should get approvals and the public should have the right to ask you questions and how this thing is going to operation. I

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>> us sitting here determining what you can and can't do is wrong. There's been no zoning application. It has a memory review by our professionals is completely wrong. And and I I I got to blame you because you know better. You've done this before and this Oh, I didn't know I needed this. I didn't know

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it. Make the phone call. You made phone call to the chamber. You made a phone call to other people. You should have called the town. Hey, this is what I want to do. Do I need this, this, and that? He never did that. And this is wrong. and and it's not right. You guys are Russianist. We're Russianists and

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it's not fair to the people that live in the area. It's not fair to our police department. It's not fair to a lot of things and it's just wrong. And that's my little rant on this. But it's not right. >> I appreciate that, Mr. Dixon. As I said in my opening, if the board ultimately deems that this is a requires a change

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in use, I'm happy to uh immediately file that application. >> I understand. But this is something you should have already known. Understood. >> Mr. Beaven, I just have a quick question. So, so there's a bar on on the boat, right? >> Yes, that's correct.

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>> Uh, so if I'm p if I'm buying a beer as I'm pulling into the inlet, can I take that beer off the boat and walk through the streets? >> No. The transit license does not permit you to take any alcohol with you when you leave the vessel. >> And then opposite of that, if I'm at Reds and I have a a beer and I'm about to board, it's

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>> just like a a regular bar, it's a licensed establishment. >> All right. because that was that was brought up to uh online by some of the residents. >> It was it was brought up in the back room. >> Do you um >> have like a ship to shore more questions? >> Yeah. >> Yes, we do. >> Oh, sorry.

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>> Where it was presented where if it would be nice to know, hey, we're coming in. >> We have x number of people on the boat. >> So, just to give you an example, we operate a seasonal service to Sandy Hook, which I'm sure most of everybody here is familiar with. Uh national park.

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So, we bring people down from Manhattan. They're roughly 1,200 people per day on a Saturday and Sunday. Um, we have to maintain comms with the park with the park rangers. Let them know how many people are coming inbound. We also have shuttle bus service and we have comps for bringing everybody outbound as well.

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>> A concern. >> Are there any more questions from the governing body before we open it up? >> Mr. Can I comment further on what you asked about the liquor license, please? I'm sorry about the alcohol. Um a year ago we asked for the CO expansion

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of premises and and uh it was granted with very strict uh conditions >> on the dock. >> Yes. >> Mhm. >> A section of the dock collapsed in a storm last year and we did not build the benches that would have formed the

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barrier uh between the dock and the parking lot as we promised we would. Someone pointed it out. Mr. Michigan called uh wrote wrote to me right away. >> I apologize and explained to him that

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number one, there has there has not been the anticipated leisurely stroll with cocktails to the dock that that we had hoped for. It has has been non-existent. Number one, and number two, as soon as uh as soon as we comply uh with these

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benches, I'll send you pictures. I sent them pictures of the collapsing structure at that time, etc. We also put uh signs nonetheless, no alcohol permitted in the in the parking lot, no alcohol permitted beyond this point. this

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summer when this season when the uh when it turned out that my dock builder was obstructed by weather and couldn't get on the inlet because of how the the way with his barge because of the way that uh surfaces and we're not going to be

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able to repair the uh the bulkhead until the fall. I again wrote to the chief and said uh I'm sorry I wrote to Mr. Michigan. I still call him chief and I said, "Hey, I'm not going to it doesn't make sense for me to build a bench and a structure that I'm going to have to

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knock down to reconstruct after this." So, let me go one further. We put a sign at Reds in front of the walkway saying no alcoholic beverages beyond this point. And I sent a picture of that right away. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you for that. You're welcome.

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>> I just want to read one thing into the record. This is from our um zoning official. She reviewed she reviewed reviewed all the prior approvals and resolutions and the burrow's municipal ordinances. Based on the review is determined that

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the proposed ferry would be required to use a D to get a D1 variance along with a site approval. This operation would cons uh constitute an additional principal non-per non-p permitted use on this site by current ordinance. The property is already

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subject to conditions from prior prior board approvals and adding this operation to the site would intensify the existing use requiring further board approval. In addition to the above, the site issues such traffic, parking,

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pedestrian safety, and staging areas for passenger drop off and pickup must also be considered and reviewed. The existing parking on site currently supports the approved use consisting of two residential apartments, a retail store,

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and fuel sales. The introduction of a ferry operation would likely increase this site activities and this and circulation demands beyond what the original uh template for this property. So, I just want to put that in there. This is

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from our code, our zoning official. Okay. Uh we're going to open it up to public comment. Uh five minutes. Keep an eye on my clock here. Uh when you come up, state your name and address and again uh give all questions to us and if

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we need to reach out to the proper professionals in the audience, we will. >> Dave. Good evening. Dave Kevin Arrow, 118 Parkway. Uh, generally I understand this is a great idea for businesses.

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Not necessarily a bad thing, but what I strongly object to, there's a business operating on the water and there's a ferry business and nobody thought to just pick up the phone and ask

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and now at the last minute you're having a special meeting try to figure out some way around it. I think that's 100% wrong. The property itself needs a new site plan at the very least, possibly

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variances. And I looked at what the ferry offers at New York, a covered waiting area, handicapped accessibility, restrooms, uh,

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easy access to travel routes, refreshments, retail business. Most of that isn't here. So, how do they have it at one end and not at the other? And if they're planning on doing it, then those plans should be in front of you and for the public to hear before

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anything happens. Somebody who's operating a business on the water and got a variance should know what the rules are as far as expanding a business and needing additional applications. So, to say I didn't know, I don't think so, I don't agree is not

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acceptable. If you were the planning board, you can wave and say maybe, maybe not. But you're not. You're the council. They should go to the appropriate board. They make a decision. The code enforcement officer gets it first. She makes the determination, tells them what

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they need. They go to the planning board. And if there's a problem after that, then they can come back here and ask. Then you can make all these decisions. But not now. If nothing's been approved yet, nothing's even been applied for yet. Your answer should be a very polite no. Get your applications

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in. I don't think it's difficult. I don't think there should be special treatment for any individual or any business that bypasses the ordinances and rules of this town. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Who's next? >> Good evening. Sean Casey, 62 inlet.

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My concern about this mainly is with the traffic. Okay. Um if I'm having a stroke and I need a van was at my house and I got buses and Ubers all lined up all yellow curbs over there, you know, up and down the whole street and they're blocked and they can't get through. My house is burning down something like

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that there. I don't think there's been any studies for for parking, any studies for traffic. And again, I heard about this two days ago and I look right across the street >> at this and I'm going to have people standing there with luggage waiting, >> children waiting to get back on this

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ferry to go back to New York. >> And I watch at the shrimp box, too. Tour buses pull up at 114 after 11. Drop people off in the parking lot when they're not open till 12. And these people are at 80 year old 80s 80 years old and they're standing in the parking lot in the severe weather just standing

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there and with, you know, they won't let them in. So, I just think it needs to be thought of a bit better. That's all. >> Thank you. >> Who's next? >> Dan. >> Hi, I'm uh Michael Cork 78. Spell your name.

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>> Uh Michael Mi Hel Quirk. Q U I R K at the 78 inlet. Uh, I agree uh about the parking. It's very very tough. And uh Mr. Dixon's point, I mean, this is a boat. You could have like a storm come

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out of nowhere and now you have people coming, you know, trying to get home on a Sunday. Where are they going to be? And uh the other thing is, you know, uh during the summer, you can't even get a hotel or a motel here. And from what I

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understand, the town doesn't allow like three days uh you know, rentals on the uh Airbnbs and stuff. So, uh like I said, main concern is the traffic. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And Mr. Beman, I actually have a

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question on to this gentleman's point. So, if if a pickup is scheduled for Sunday and it's a hurricane out there and the boat's not running, how do you get those people back to uh to their destination in New York? >> Uh via shuttle. >> Via shuttle. So, you would bring shuttle

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buses down, >> pick up all those individuals, bring them back to the dock, I guess, in New York. Okay. >> And that's been done before and like other your other locations. >> Uh yes. Uh the Sandy Hook location I had mentioned earlier. Um like it's part of our contingency plan because you do have

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weather It's a beach and there are no facilities when the when the passengers disembark the vessel. Um >> where is that at Sandy? >> Sandy Hook. >> There's no no facilities there. >> Uh they have two restrooms. It's uh it's a park, right? It's a beach. So we have shuttle buses there um that pick the patrons up when they get off the ferry.

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Brings them to the various beaches. Um if there is inclement weather, um we have it in writing that we have to be at the dock within within one hour to pick passengers up. >> Okay. And if it's a hurricane um or if there are hurricane conditions, our ferry would not be operating in the ocean coming down here to begin with.

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>> Okay. Thank you, Dan. >> Uh Dan Friendley, 1401 Ocean F. Uh couple questions. So I I just want to be clear. So the county knew about this. The Chamber of Commerce knew about this. >> I'm not sure about the county. I who who besides the chamber of commerce? Just

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the chamber of commerce there. It had been reported and that's why I'm asking if it was so just the chamele. >> So the chamber of commerce known about this for months and nobody in this room was told about this >> at all. >> No. >> No. >> Until what? Two days before the last council meeting?

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>> No. At that council meeting day, two hours before that that meeting. >> Okay. >> Last Tuesday. >> Um my my concerns with it and you know he runs a great business. I fuel up at his dock all the time in the summer. So, I have a couple questions about, you know, the logistics of it. I mean, the

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bow in is seems kind of absolutely crazy to me in that spot. How how far away is the channel marker from the gas dock? >> Bill, you you can answer that again. >> Which channel marker? >> So, I I maybe just from memory, there's

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a booby out there and there's a very shallow area not far over from where you are. Yeah. >> Or as you make the turn. So make the if you make the turn >> inlet. >> No, if let's say you're coming from train, >> right? You're coming from >> if you can help.

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>> Uh it doesn't show the water. >> Well, it shows a little bit of water. >> So there's a there's a buoy somewhere. >> I don't know exactly where it is. Do you? >> I do. It's right the one the one in front of this property is about 100 ft

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uh northwest and the one that's closer to the patio bar is about 200 feet west. >> Okay. How how if that boat is docked nose in to your dock unloading for half an hour, how much room is

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behind that boat before you get in the shallow water >> with the dredging that just took place for several months? Ample room. And and I'm I'm >> for fishing boats, commercial red. >> Yes. And and they do it all the time. For example, uh the norm could be going

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out and the gambler could be coming in. >> They have to pass each other. You cannot get close to another vessel. You cannot run right along the edge of the docks. >> So, so in the past, I've observed that that's not a problem. >> I I Yeah, me personally, I feel like I

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mean, it's already kind of a tight spot. Um, if you have a fishing boat coming through and there's dozens of recreational vehicles also traveling through that area, uh, I mean, I'm not sure how wide the sea streak boat is, it would seem to make a lot more sense to me to pull up alongside that dock and

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not block that entire passageway. >> Uh, I mean, that would be my as because I'm out there on Fridays and I'm out there on Sundays and I'm sure I'm going to encounter this dozen times over the summer. So, I it just it always seems like a tight kind of pinch spot to start with and a lot of traffic. You have a 100 boats on Flag Island coming and

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going. You have all the the commercial fishing boats. You have everybody coming back and forth and blocking the majority of that passageway seems to me a little insane. >> Dan, I'll give you it's 140 ft long. The beam is 34, >> right? >> So, >> it's like I don't see 34 as being a huge

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deal off the dock, but you know, >> 140. >> Bill, you want to answer? >> I do. Go ahead. >> Marissa pointed something out that I I might have not understood what you're saying. The boat is not docking on the dock. The boat is coming to the bulkhead, >> right? So you know where the anchor is at the big anchor statue. Those two dead

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slips right behind the anchor. >> Okay. So you're nosing into the bulkhead, not not the fuel dock. >> Okay. That's different. >> So you wouldn't even be interfering with any kind of boat traffic. >> Got Dan, can I picture? How long is that dock? You said the one closest to Reds.

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>> Mr. Cortez. Um, you mean widthwise or >> uh out into the water? 40 >> by by law we're not allowed to go beyond 40 ft. >> Okay. So, >> I'm looking I'm looking on Google Earth. So, that's it's 40T from the parking lot

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going into the water. >> Yes. >> All right. So, the boat would extend another 100 ft past that. >> Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Um my other concern was that the timing of these to bring in several hundred extra people on the busiest weekends of

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the season. It looks like mostly the beginning of July into the beginning of August when the town is literally at capacity every day. And where are they going to stay? >> People are going to get off the boat on Friday. Where are they going? I I'll tell you personally as a hotel owner, we're already booked solid almost every

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weekend throughout the summer. and I imagine most other hotels in Point Pleasant Beach are. We have a rental ordinance which, you know, I've been fighting against for years and years and years. And we have ample there's a lot of open weeks in people's homes for weekends. But

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>> with the current rental ordinance in town, you can't rent Friday to Sunday. >> And if the hotels are all full, where are these people going? >> I mean, I I >> And I don't know if we could answer that, right? Are they going to their second homes? Are they maybe going to

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Bayhead? Are they going, you know, maybe they're going to stop in in, you know, Reds or or Shrimp Box and have a meal and then go go elsewhere. We don't know, >> right? Where they're where they're going to be. >> And that's going to be hard, you know, to to judge 200 people coming off a

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boat. Are they right >> 200 people staying in town or are they going off to other places? >> Right. >> Okay. >> That's a good point, though. >> Thanks. >> Yep. >> Who's next? I'm gonna go you for it's a race here.

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>> Hi Marie Letta 76 Inlet Drive. >> Please spell your name. >> L A U L E T A. All right. To take off on your um point, Kitty. So 500 people come into town. Even 200. >> Okay.

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They come in, they How many maybe could walk to their destination? 5% 10%. You're going to have buses, lifts, shuttles. So say out of 200 people, 100 10 to 20% can walk to. You have 180

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people. Might be some ride share there. You're still going to need with 180 people. What do you think? 90 cars, 80 cars, 60, 70 cars. There's no street parking on a lit drive. Where are you going to line up? 50, 60, 70, 80. And if

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there's 500, double that. Where in the world are you going to put? We talk about the fishing boats. They have parking lots. Everybody has parking lots except this. I don't know how many parking spots they have, but that they have 50 or 60 or 70. And that's based on

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200 passengers. So my big concern is where are you going to put? And if you take a lift, it could be two minutes. It could be a half hour. They can't all fit. It's all going to be congested. Not to mention the foot traffic. You have 500 people you're letting loose on

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inland drive. On that side of Inland Drive, there are no sidewalks. Where are these people going to walk in the street? As it is, it's congested. You've got Amazon. You've got delivery trucks. You've got, you know, sightseers, fishermen. um you know, people picking

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up their their their um family members or their friends where you're gonna have all these people on the street. They're going to be walking in the street with all this traffic. I shudder to think plus the blind curve by by sinners between the coast guards. I shudder to

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think what could happen. That poor boy who just got killed by by a car. What do you think? you were letting out 500 people and all these cars, which again, I don't see a solution where you can put 50, 60, or twice as many cars on that

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street. I think in theory, this is a great idea. I love the idea. Bring more, you know, tourism for our beloved neighbors and businesses. We need it during the week and we need it in in in town. That's where we need it. We don't

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like need it, like Mr. friendly said um on the weekends where we're already at capacity. So, in theory, it's a great idea. In practicality, I'm sorry, I just don't see it. This project would be better off maybe

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Channel Drive where not Channel Drive. Yeah, Channel Drive where the clamming is because at least they have land that they could develop for parking. Like I said, the other places that are there, all those fishing boats, they have parking. I don't have a problem with the

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Ken Lane. They fishermen come in, go in their cars, leave. They have parking. They're not bothering. They're not bothering me. >> They're because they haven't sufficient parking. And so do most of the other places. I don't see where you're going to put. Please tell me where you going

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to put 70, 80, 90, and keep exponentially, you know, cars. Where are you going to put them on ch on uh inlet drive? I don't see it. So, >> can can we can we invite Bill to come back up here and talk speak to that, >> please?

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>> I'm not sure um how many cars going to need to be parked. Uh I can tell you that in the summer from experience, not speculation, >> there is a constant stream of cars. There's constant there's very frequently

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cars backed up. Um, I don't think I don't think that it's going to that there's going to be zero impact with traffic. That's why I reached out to the police department to try to get some guidance to get some recommendations. Um, >> yeah, but Bill, what like just what do

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you envision? Like I know that the you know the police are probably going to need some help. So it is helpful of course if they're communicated with how many people would be coming and the time that they can those are helpful but realistically like >> what how do you see it? I mean, I saw

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that company Patty wagons. I don't know how many each car holds, you know. I'm I'm also trying to like envision what Marie just was talking about. >> Legitimate questions. If if if we are lucky enough, if the town's lucky enough to get that many people coming on any given,

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>> let's assume we are okay. Let's assume it's a great weather, 500 people. It's go time in Point Pleasant Beach. >> So, we'll communicate. Seek will communicate with the police department the precise number of people that are coming. Mhm. >> Whether it's the police department handling the responsibility or whether

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they're comfortable whether they're comfortable delegating it to another entity is is not my decision to make. But but if you ask me what I'm envisioning, >> I have seen uh this town handle special events very efficiently. Um they

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literally close the inlet uh to to businesses uh for days like for the tug of war and they do so by uh using cones. So, if we compensated special officers or or regular officers and there was per perhaps a cone area where cars could

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line up, I think I think that would solve the problem at least initially. >> Thank you. You want to go >> Mary Alice Canella 74B inlet drive. It's K I N.

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K I N S E L L A >> K I N S E L A >> Yes. Okay. Thank you. Um I don't want to repeat a lot of things that have already been said, but I agree with most of the objections. I think it's very clear that the biggest issue here is the added

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traffic and the cars and where they're going to go and where they're going to queue and how and anybody that's been on Inlet Drive on July 4th weekend knows what a nightmare it is. I mean, you're going to add 50, 80, 100 cars to that

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circle and try to get out of there. It literally takes hours on July 4th weekend for that traffic to clear out of there. Um, I did have a couple questions though. The 500 passenger boat, is that the largest ferry that will go here or

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is that like that's what we're starting with? Could it potentially be bigger? Um, my other question is the other ferry locations that are currently operated by the ferry provider, do they have parking lots adjacent to them or do they have a

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similar situation to this where there isn't really a sufficient landing area for the people that are coming out or for the cars that are going to pick them up? And if they have something similar to this, how do they handle it? Because it seems like this is maybe a unique situation. And my understanding is that

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the ticket sales are already live. So, can they give us an idea of how many tickets they've sold to date on average for each shuttle that's supposed to come in? Um, and I guess my last comment is I really would find it very troubling to have this approved without the pop

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proper analysis and variances and ordinance being followed. I mean, I think it set has a terrible precedent. I also think it's a let's see if we can figure this out while it's happening is really risky, dangerous, and very unfair to the people that like live in this neighborhood.

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>> Thank you, M. You want to come up, Mr. Evansson? >> So, I I'm sure you remember the questions, but is >> the 500 passenger boat, is that going to be the largest that comes down here? >> Yes, that would be the largest ferry. >> Okay. And then I know you mentioned Sandy Hook doesn't have a proper landing

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area. Are there other facilities that you go to? Uh, I know I've ridden to West Point. I don't think that has a proper, but can you talk about some of the plans you have in place in those other areas that don't have a dedicated ferry terminal? >> Yeah. I mean, it's so essentially we

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just need the dock to to land. Um, Sandy Hook is a is a floating barge. Um, they walk off and they're at the park. Um, even our commuter service that runs into lower Manhattan at Slip 5 Whiteall, it's strictly a dock. There's no building. There's not even a restroom at that location. >> Which where which location is that?

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That's uh Slip Five Battery Maritime Building in Manhattan. Okay. >> Which is our primary commuter dock that we operate between Mammoth County and Manhattan. Um it's a floating barge and it's an alleyway that walks out into the street of Manhattan. >> You could come back up if you have further questions. Your your time's still going. >> And and um so I know you said Sandy

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Hook, you have shuttle buses that'll take him further into the park, >> right? >> Okay. Yeah. So, so those other locations, so do they have like parking lots adjacent to them that can accommodate the cars that are picking up the passengers or the shuttle buses that are picking up the passengers? Because it seems like one of the biggest issues

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here is there's a very small Reds parking lot. Reds is going to be open. So, presumably customers are going to be parking there. So, that's not really available to be utilized for ride share. And we're talking about queuing up in the street, which again has its challenges. And so my question is like

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the other locations that you have, do you have anything similar to this where there isn't parking or an open space available for the ride shares or cars or buses or whatever? >> So our our docks in Manhattan um particularly that slip five and East

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35th Street um on the East River. Uh there's no designated area there. It's a it's a street a one-way road. They have a small section at East 35th for ride share maybe handle a dozen cars. Um, and we drop off, you know, anywhere between 500 and 600 passengers per trip inb down

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there. Um, for this service, um, I, by the way, I've been, uh, with Sea Street for about 25 years now. Um, so I have a little bit of experience in the ferry bit and excursions and leisure trips so forth. But, uh, generally what you have for commuters, um, when they're taking a ferry, you know, you have one passenger

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per car. They come in, one vehicle, one person to board the boat. Um, and what we've seen with excursion trips over the years, usually end up with about a third of the capacity because they're usually coming together. They're coming as groups. They're coming as families. Um, and then with a service like this, I would also expect, and we see this with our Sandy Hook and our seasonal

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ridership coming into Mammoth County. We get a lot of bicycles. Um, that's another another big component to it is people coming in on bikes. And I would tend to think that you would probably see some of that here as well. Um, I know one of the gentlemen in the crowd here mentioned something about like hotel occupancy. Um, I don't foresee

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anybody booking this vessel and not having a place to go to come down here for a weekend or on a Friday night. So, I would tend to think that they're coming down, friends, family, or they already have somebody that's, you know, staying in the area for the weekend. Um, the cars are already here. It is a function of the cars picking them up. I understand that. Um, it is a small

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street. Um, but I also, um, you know, I do want to put a shuttle plan in place to get these people out off of the road and to other locations, you know, possibly in town as well. And the other question was, do you know, I know the ticket system has been live for a couple days now. Do you have any idea?

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>> I do not have that data, but I can shoot a text here before we leave and I can let you know how many tickets were sold. >> Okay, that'll be helpful. Okay, thank you. >> Christine, 68, please. >> R I C. >> Thank you. >> Can you speak into the microphone? Thank you.

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>> Sure. So, in um not to reiterate, right, all of the great comments that were made regarding traffic and all of that, I have a couple of comments or questions regarding the town or the police department will be notified with the volume of traffic

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coming in. How will we as residents >> be notified? You know, is today a 500 day boat day of people coming in or how do we prepare for that living right there on the street? Secondly, I know that there were comments made regarding

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um coning off areas to park um in anticipation of the Ubers and the shuttles and all of that coming in. Um I would urge a really careful study of that, the one-way situation that it is,

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the blind curve that we're all familiar with, right? as you come around sinners takes that piece out of the equation. >> But there's an active coast guard base there >> on the straightaway >> right between where this traffic is coming off the boat and headed toward

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that I'm sure and I know because I live there can't be blocked. So that's a very big piece of an active government piece of property that would not or should not be impacted right by any of the traffic plans that we're talking about.

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In addition to the police and extra, you know, police and security to help move and expedite and all that, we certainly appreciate that. Um, from the community's perspective, trash will need to be included there. There are no receptacles. Uh, there is in the park,

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Logan's Park, and the uh parking maybe up by the public restrooms, but we're talking about in front of our homes right from that stretch out of the inlet is going to be significant. the business owners that I live across from right now, which is um Kent's Landing and

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Shrimp Box and all of that. These guys are great at making sure that they keep the street clean. We're going to need some help right from that perspective. Um for the foot traffic, again, it was noted, I'll say it again, there are no sidewalks. And when we are thinking

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about that and blocking off traffic so where they're going to line up to pick up the passengers that they're waiting to meet, it can't block driveways too, right? I mean, that's a give, but I think it's worth the mention. >> So, I'm not seeing a whole bunch of space that could actually be blocked

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logistically for that to happen. And it's it's not comments in um negative or or rejection. its comments to really make sure everybody look at it um from that perspective. >> There's not just not space for it. And

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thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Who's next? Oh, do you want to answer some of these comments? >> Yeah, just uh recapping on the uh the reservation database right now. So, we have a total of 22 passengers booked uh on the first trip of June 19th and the

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remainder eight trips. Right now, we have between 12 and 20 reservations for each of those trips. >> Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. Thank you. >> I'm sorry, John. >> John Monttoello, 649 Atlantic. Uh, I just want to say I'm in favor of

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this. You know, as you know, we're trying to open up the Coast Guard building right across the street. >> I believe I was what? >> Hopefully, we have a cafe there. So that is a place where people could get off the boat and congregate. And then just in general, not with the Coast Guard

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building. I'm a little bit confused about this whole process. I looked it up today. Ken's Landing has been there since 1932. So for 94 years, that has been a marine commercial zone. And there's party boats there. There's the Gambler, there's Normay, there's the Riverbell. You go

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over by Spikes, you have another three or four party boats. I personally worked on a party boat from 13 to 21. This is a very common occurrence to get 100 people on the boat and 100 people off the boat. It's not this big deal in did you guys

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make the riverbell go through this? Did you make the Normma go through this? Did you make the gambler go through this? All they're doing is docking, getting people off the boat. And then there's so much overreach here with the government. People are asking about what's the

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waterway going to be like. That's a federal problem. The town has nothing to do with navigable waters. That's a federal problem and the Coast Guard problem. And then things like where are they going to stay? What's the

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population in what is our population here in the summertime? >> I can't even qu >> 35,000 75,000. >> Does anybody really think 200 people is going to make a big difference? I mean, John, I think that what our main concern is that what you're saying like

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the federal regulations like that, like none of that that we know of has been vetted. That's where we're kind of like, hey, we knew about this before. We could have had some of the concerns from the public, you know, prior address. Right now, we really kind of feel like we're

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scrambling. >> Yeah. That's our problem up here. We're trying to like, okay, how can we >> But don't you think there's a little overthinking here? We're talking about two getting 200 people out. Like where are they going to go? How are they going to get out of Ubers? >> Well, those are the concerns from the public. I mean, they're free to address their concerns.

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>> We have the same thing when Jenson's and Martell's has 2,000 people coming out onto the streets at last call. Do you >> We did, >> but you spoke to the Do you asked the boatyard? How many people do you have in there tonight? Because last call you're

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going to have 200 people on the street. >> But but again, that would be part of like a process. this there's been no process that would be normal protocol for this problem is John is the way that it's been rolled out and nobody on up here was notified that this was happening

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>> I think that's that's the main problem I think that's why >> everybody we're just trying to figure it out working with everybody's concerns >> I understand why all the residents are angry I'm angry as well nobody was notified >> ironically >> a non-permitted use is a t you know

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ferry terminal >> ironically Water Taxi and Party Boat are not specifically listed. So, I have no answer for you on that. They've been there around for 94 years. I get it. >> Um, I'm not opposed to this. I think it

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would be good. >> I don't like the way it was rolled out >> and I'm not sure if this is the right the perfect location for it. >> You say 200 people coming off of the boardwalk. They Jensen is very good at

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they used to have taxis. We don't t Now it's all Ubers. They come up into their parking lot and they keep them moving along. >> Once we put in the the parking plan in district 4, it took a year for people to realize they walked down the boardwalk and went into the little silver lake lot

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because it's free from correct me what is it? Uh 11 11 to 6 in the morning. So that 200 people moving on that boardwalk at 1:30 in the morning is a little different in my opinion than 200 people

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getting out onto Inlet Drive at this particular location where there is no sidewalks and they have to walk in the street. And like it was said, a small percent uh percentage will >> if they already have and we know it's going to have people are already going to have rooms at a motel, they're going

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to own a house or they're going to be friends staying with somebody. Mhm. >> Small percentage they'll walk go over the bridge and if you want to walk two or three blocks on Broadway, you can hit what four motel. Okay. You want to go down south, you might get an Uber. You

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might have somebody pick you up. If you're going to Bayhead, you know. So, I'm not going to say it won't work. >> Mhm. >> But like everybody said, it was if we knew about this before, we wouldn't even be here tonight. I'd be

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home watching my Mets lose, you know. >> Okay. >> So, we're trying to >> Okay. I'm just afraid that there's a little bit of analysis paralysis here where everybody's looking at where are they going to stay? How's the first time? How's this going to be? How's this going to be? >> But that's what we have. >> If we didn't ask the if we didn't ask

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these questions, we wouldn't be doing our jobs. >> It's been like alleged there's a plan. We're like, what's the plan? You know, please enlighten us. That's what we're Yeah, that's that's >> But maybe this is a question for the attorney. Just because it's not stated in marine commercial doesn't mean it's excluded.

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>> Well, I >> I'll let you finish up and then I'm happy to start to address the legal. I figured you put on the spot at some point on this deal. >> Do you uh So, yeah. He uh >> I'll speak to it when you're >> The attorney will speak to that. Do you have any other >> No, no, no. I just think, like I said, I think it's a great idea and I don't

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think it's as big a deal as it's being made out to be. you know, we seem to accommodate everything else in town. A bunch of crowds. People figure it out. I think people are gonna This is a great thing to bring, you know, we're a waterfront community. This is a way to bring people in by water, keep people

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off the trains. And even that, people are saying like, "What if what if people uh there's a hurricane or whatever. They have cars, they have Ubers, we have the trains >> and they provide the shuttles >> and they provide a shuttle. I mean, you know, this isn't a doomsday. you know

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what do you do might be a nice thing but we have certain protocols that had are supposed to be done before you just >> show up with a boat and dump 500 people off or 200 people off into someone's neighborhood >> it should have been presented properly

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the zoning to the zoning officer they would have went over it saw what was good what was bad >> they might have to go in front of the planning board or the zoning board would give time for the people on the um public to come and ask the questions that are being asked now.

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>> And you know what? It might have been perfectly fine and off you go. They did none of this. We heard about it last Tuesday. We're bringing a boat in 3 weeks. Here you go, boys. Fix it. It's not right. >> Yeah. Yeah. But like I like I started this out. Has every party boat, has

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every charter boat, has every water taxi been through the same process? >> They will have parking spots. They don't have parking. >> Two or 300. They're not bringing two or 300 people in. It's completely different. >> Okay. >> No, >> I just think it's very similar to party fishing boats, which party fishing

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boats, you have to have a car because you have fishing poles. You have this and you're going out to some place. This is no different from the train. >> Yeah, dropping you off. >> Well, I I will say the train has a parking lot. Those party boats have parking lots. >> They don't have any place to pee. There's no restroom at the train

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station. >> There's no place you can congregate underneath the train. >> There is a porta potty in the train lot. Oh, is there >> Ken's Landing has 40 spots. >> I mean, John, everything you're saying can be overcome. It really can be. But we need we need some, you know, time a

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plan. We're we're, you know, we're scrambling. >> Okay. >> You know, that's that's our that's the problem. That's why we're here tonight. >> And we'll have Mike answer your qu. I just want to say on the record, too, I reached out to the Coast Guard and Miss Clear. I know you did, too. I just wanted to see if they had any operational security issues. Uh, as of

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this meeting time, I haven't heard back. They did they did reply back and say they were talking to their their staff, but they didn't get back to me. But again, if you had already spoken to them, I mean, I'm sure, you know, they're okay with with the operation that you laid out. >> I did not see speak to

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>> Seek did. Okay. Okay. >> Do you want to address the legal question? >> Sure. Uh so on the on the legal question, I think Councilman Dixon alluded earlier to the fact that a preliminary review internally of the sea

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streak proposal uh led to the preliminary belief that it does not comport with the specified principal permitted uses in the marine commercial zone. So there is a zoning concern. Um that said, the subject activity has not

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yet taken place. though there has not been anything to review and there hasn't been any application uh to review as well. So that's kind of the one of the legal concerns that's out there and that we addressed in executive session. Uh you know the governing body though does

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set the zoning and other provisions of the ordinances. You guys set the zoning for the town. So if the governing body wishes to evaluate the zoning uh that's certainly within your province as well. So, we could certainly discuss that tonight if the governing body wants to

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look at look at what's on the books right now and whether or not that ought to be visited for amendment. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> We'll open up to a few more questions. >> My name is Antinet Law Letter. Last name is spelled L A U L E T T A.

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>> Thank you. And I'm I'm at 76 Inlet Drive. I don't see how Okay. We've been there for over 20 years. We're right across the street from Ken's Landing and down the block from all the other places.

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We've never had a problem with any of Ken's Landing people coming in getting on a plane on a on a a boat. They drive there. They park their car. They get on a boat, go fishing, come back into their

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cars, and drive away. They have a place of their own to move and to move out. They're not blocking anybody's driveways. So, it's very difficult for me to hear the comparison

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because these people don't have cars. They might have people coming to get them that are going to be waiting for them to get on a boat, but they don't have cars here unless the ferry is going to start bringing their cars with them.

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Okay, that that's a I guess it's a possibility. What makes more sense? Get a place. We have enough waterfront on Channel Drive. Get a place where there's land that you can bring

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500. You can bring 700, set it up, do a a proper terminal, give people a place to go, and then from there you can have your shuttles or or your Ubers or whatever you have the

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space to bring them into town. It It just makes more sense to me. >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Who's next? Tom Deabadia, D L L A B A D I A 214 Nikk

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Street. Um, I just got a comment and a question and I'm not an attorney, so I apologize. I don't have the answer to the question what asked, but um, I get all I didn't know about this till a week ago. I'm on the board of the Chamber of Commerce. I didn't know about this till a week ago, but my I guess one other

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comment I have is this is only twice a week, right? It's a Friday and a Sunday and everyone who lives I get it you guys all live on that street, right? But Fourth of July last year, I live on Nibck Street took two and a half hours before my street was clear, right? That was a huge crowd. This is a Friday

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afternoon, right? Not a Friday night, Friday afternoon and go back on Sunday. So I don't anticipate I don't and again I don't think I'd get a 500 but even so it's for a few minutes during the day and I think it's shortsighted for the residents or anybody else around to

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think that this is going to be such a huge issue. The question I have is to that point is maybe for Bill Tom directed to me. The question I have is if it's a Friday afternoon and there are 30 pontoon boat owners somewhere

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Barnagate Bay or whatever. They want to come up and they want to drop people off to go to Jenx or downtown or wherever. >> What do they do? They got they got 10 pontoon boats or 30 pontoon boats with 10 people each. That's 300 people. Where do they where do they go? >> Where do they get dropped off if

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somebody wants to come in and spend >> They don't they where do they get dropped off? There's that's >> my question, right? But if they wanted to come, could they stop it? I don't know. Can they stop at >> where they get gas and drop their people off and let them off or can they and then and have them and then leave and

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come back and pick them up later. You're still getting people to come in and walk. And so what they're trying to do here is these aren't day trippers. To somebody made a point earlier, you're not coming in if you don't have a place to stay. You're coming on a Friday, leaving on a Sunday. you're not getting the 19 or 20 year olds come down here to

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party for the day and take a boat home. Maybe they want to take a oneway and take the train home, but I I don't think anybody foresees that. So, I didn't understand all the rules and the regs about all this stuff and I get it now hearing all the comments. I just think >> um there's some way to to try this and I

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it may not look perfect. See what happens for a few weeks and see what goes on to do it. I just think it's a little bit shortsighted to say no, we're not going to do it because it could take two years for this to happen. And I think it's a bad thing for the town to wait. Um, thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> I think it's time to uh I'm sorry, Mr.

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Clary. So, if somebody wanted to come up on a pontoon boat, you guys have docks available. I know there's other places in the river that have uh open docks where they could just come and offload their people. So, we have a a very broad, very well-known policy of

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accommodating borders in distress, of accommodating uh for pickup and drop off anyone that wants to buy fuel. We allow we allow people to stay overnight. There's there's people that have broken down vessels. I don't charge them when they come there. The Coast Guard uses my

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dock as a depot for stranded vessels or mechanically broken down vessels. So, we have, as a mariner myself, I'm I'm I'm looking for the karma that comes from helping mariners in distress, and we we do it all the time. My staff is trained to do it. Um, the net result,

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unfortunately, is I I at times, three times now, I've been stuck with derelic vessels, having to remove them at at my expense. And Marissa gets mad at me, but I'm probably going to just keep doing it because I could be in the in those same shoes, right? >> So, thank you.

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Who's next? Chris. >> Chris Anglehart, 502 Laurel Avenue. So, my question to start is is the town council, the council members didn't know about this until the meeting when the mayor announced it.

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>> That was the first time the council members heard it. So my question to you, mayor, is is as the mayor, why didn't you say, "Oh, this is good. Let's take a step back. Let's bring this to executive session and actually speak about it

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with the council." I mean, that's in my opinion and and I'm not against it for I'm not a voter. Most of you all know I just can't. >> We all know that's obvious. Um why didn't you as mayor say

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okay this is a great idea instead of sitting up there and saying sea streak is coming to point beach as mayor would you know like hey my council should know about this there's a lot of things we need to talk about instead of just sitting up there and saying sea streak

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is coming to point pleasant beach because my opinion just like I feel and I don't know if I'm even allowed to talk about what I got going on I don't I don't know how public >> we can save that for the for the next meeting. >> Yeah, I don't know. You >> might want to. >> But as mayor,

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why did you do that? >> Why didn't Why didn't you speak with your council members when you heard about this >> instead of coming up here sitting and telling all Point Beach and unfortunately getting all these residents up in an

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an uproar, rightfully so. I think one, it's embarrassing as the mayor to do that and it's not right to do to your fellow council people. >> So, I'm curious why it was put out that way. >> So, I found out again two hours before the meeting. I didn't know that there

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were zoning issues or that there was any issues until the following, no, two days later when I received a phone call from the construction official saying, "Hey, we may have potential zoning issues." So I and I knew we were coming out here to

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to uh I knew I was going to talk about it tonight. I may have even mentioned it in the back uh prior to coming out, but um again, I didn't realize that there were any issues. I thought that all the behindthe-scenes stuff was already done and taken care of. I don't we don't get notified when there's new stores coming

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in prior to the new store coming in. So I just assumed everything was handled internally. Um, and I didn't realize there were issues until Thursday morning when I got a phone call and that's when I said, "Well, hold on. We need to reconvene and figure all this out." And

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that's when we had meetings. >> But you're on the zoning board, correct? >> Nope. Planning board. >> Planning. So planning board would be involved in this as >> depending depending. >> Depending. So, you wouldn't think to say, "Hey, let's step back here and let's talk amongst ourselves and say, we

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need to look at all this before we go announcing it to Point Pleasant Beach that a major change to Inlet Drive is going to come." And again, this isn't putting Carol down. I think she probably did a great job with this, but as the mayor, I'm sorry. It's embarrassing that you

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sat up there, told Point Pleasant Beach Sea Streak was coming to town and not anyone up here knew about it. I mean, again, I found out two hours before the >> Then why did you say it? Why didn't you just say we should as the mayor I we got to hold back instead of announcing this >> and I also

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again that's up to there's interpretations here of you know as Andy's talked about a ferry terminal not a ferry terminal all that stuff. So there was all interpretation. So, I just when I got the news, I figured everything was talked about. And again,

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I don't hear from any new businesses. To me, it was just a new business happening in an existing commercial marine commercial zone that didn't need further further zoning. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I think I think you should have waited. And >> unfortunately, I also have the opinion

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that you probably knew more earlier than the day the day it happened. >> I could promise you I did not. And unfortunately that's that's all I have to say. >> Okay. >> Do you need me to state my name again? >> No, you're good. >> Okay. Uh Jack Bman Curry. Um so just to give a little bit of background on this

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um the president of our company uh James Barker was I believe Mr. Cortez met with uh at Jenkinson's uh >> gez we're now what uh what are we May almost in June. Um I think it was probably somewhere in January or February he had come up and said mentioned hey did you ever run a boat down to Mount Squam. Now he's not from

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the area. He's from Connecticut. Um I said no. I said there's an inlet there. There's some docks down there. Maybe it's something that we can look at. Um I've been doing this for many years as I expressed before looking at this as an excursion or a leisure trip. Um and we ended up meeting Mr. Mr. Clearary there

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who had a private dock, a private commercial dock. Um, if Sea Streak was looking to run a ferry service from Manisquan, a commuter ferry service, I probably would have been one of the first ones reaching out to your council here saying, "Look, we we'd like to start a ferry service up." Doing these types of trips. We've really never had

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to go in front of a a panel or a council or a mayor for running an excursion. And that's what I feel that this is. Um, we have, I think, a total of nine trips for the season. Nine, eight or nine trips for the season. It's a midday on a Friday and a Sunday. Um, so I would like to apologize for one for not reaching

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out, but I just, like I said, I looked at this as an excursion and I didn't think that that would really be necessary. >> Um, so the real big obstacle that we that we ran into here, the boat that we're operating and our larger vessels, they all have security plans that are regulated by the Coast Guard and it's a a result of um 9/11 through Homeland

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Security. So these boats have to maintain these security plans because of the amount of passengers that they carry. Well, Mr. Clearary's dock is not a regulated facility. So, I had to reach out to the Coast Guard to obtain a waiver from the Coast Guard in order to dock the vessel there or any of our vessels there at his facility. Um, I

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started that process back in March. Um, and I did not receive that waiver from the Coast Guard until about a week and a half ago. So, um, just to give a little background there, I did not even think that it was going to be possible to bring a ferry down here just because of the security requirements with the vessels. So, and Mr. Clearary wasn't

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aware, you know, he had no clue if I received that waiver or not until the day that I called him. So, I just want to go on the record and state >> when you spoke to the Coast Guard, did um they talk about the street like like potentially blocking their Coast Guard from the street side because it it sounds like they were addressing it from

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the water side. I'm just curious if they had addressed it. >> I was dealing with the uh the waterfront uh security side of the Coast Guard, not dealing with the local Coast Guard here. >> Um sector Delaware Bay. >> Gotcha. >> Okay. Just want to go on the record. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Who's next?

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>> Oh, Bill, you want to say something? I just want to say um that this was a a very loose discussion back in in January. Uh I I talked to Carol about how enthusiastic uh how she felt

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the enthusiasm would be about that and as it turns out in terms of the business perspective, she's correct. Um >> and Russ and I were on vacation and frankly hoping that this would come to fruition. I reached out to Sea Streak on several occasions to say, "Hey, what's

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going on? Hey, what's going on?" But we literally got an agreement together moments before I called you uh last Tuesday. So, I apologize uh to the extent that the board feels that we

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didn't notify them earlier on. Yes, we did know that this was a hopeful possibility, but I did not think that it was going to come to fruition this year. And I have a habit of later in life of trying not to announce things and make a big deal out of them before they are

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actually going to come to fruition. It ends up being embarrassing when they don't. Uh there's been lots of opportunities discussed about Inlet Drive, about both properties. I'm asked about it all the time. The county was interested in the property at one point, but I I try not to talk. I don't I don't

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want to get my hopes up. I don't want to get other people's hopes up. I don't also don't want to get other people up in arms if it's not ultimately going to happen. So I'm seeing now I'm I'm seeing what the result of me not communicating about the potential is earlier on. But I

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assure you it was a function of not just the time that it took us to to be be aware that it was going to happen. It was also a function of as been stated by some of the people tonight. I did not think that this was uh an issue a zoning

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issue. I thought we could accommodate both both the boat and the parking without any significant uh problems. That's all. >> Thank you. >> Who's next? Nobody else.

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>> Can they come back up? No. >> Yeah, you can't. Sorry. >> Yep. >> Anybody else that hasn't spoke yet? James, you coming up? >> Oh, good. >> I'm coming up. >> All right, that's perfect. Hi, James Ward, 1513 Richmond Avenue. Uh, Point

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Pleasant Beaches in America. I want to thank Mayor Vital for being excited about a cool new idea. You know, making assumptions that, you know, the lines, you know, eyes have been dotted, tees have been crossed. Uh, I think the meeting tonight has kind of proof positive that, okay, the voices are

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heard. We're having a meeting and we're addressing it. I think the same approach could be made towards something like this with uh limited runs happening. We've got capable leadership. We have a capable police department. Uh we have them available to use. If something doesn't work out, then deal with it at

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the time, but don't, you know, make a decision based on whatifs and uh let's, you know, give it a shot. You know, Point Pleasant Beach should have a ferry. I think it's a great idea and uh you know, I'm all for it obviously. So, I want to thank Carol uh from the chamber, uh, Mayor Seek, uh, Bill

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Clearary, and Marissa. And that's all I got to say. Thank you. >> James, I have a question for you. Um, can you just elaborate a little bit? Why do you think it's a good idea? >> Well, we're we're a beach town. We we're surrounded by water. We should have a ferry. You know, people we always have a connection to the city. Right now, it's

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via train and car and traffic. Uh, I would, you know, I'm late. I'm sorry. Sorry. I don't know what I missed, but I >> Yeah, >> I'm hearing people talk about hundreds of passengers. I don't know. >> Correct yourself, James. It's an excursion. >> It's an excursion, right? Exactly. So, it's not a fairy service thing,

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>> right? Excursion. Pardon me. Um I would I mean I I would guess there's a few dozen ticket. Do we know that? >> We do. >> Uh 22 on the first uh run and then so far 12 uh tickets booked for subsequent

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runs. I mean, sounds super manageable. Let it triple and still super manageable, right? So, let's see what happens. I think, you know, people have understandable concern. I get it. It was kind of thrown on

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everyone. So, let's have a probationary status or something, but let's give it a go. That's it. >> Thank you. >> Thank Thank you, James. >> All right. Bye. >> All right. Anybody else who has not spoke before? All right. Hearing none. Now I'm going

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to close public participation. >> Motion to close public. >> Yep. Motion. >> Make the motion. >> Second. >> I'll second that. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay. So, we're at the point now. >> You do want to say

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>> do we is there do I ask for council? >> Yeah. So, I guess we had a discussion in executive session. Um there is the cons the zoning issue that we discussed earlier as I was alluding during public comment but figured I'd elaborate into further detail here. You know if the

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governing body wishes I can outline what I believe would be a path towards addressing that particular issue as well as some of the other concerns that have been discussed here and it would ultimately be up to the governing body whether to pursue such a path. >> Are we okay? Yes. >> Please elaborate.

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>> I'm happy to uh councilwoman. So I I think you know there's several different issues that would be reconciled through a potential governing body action tonight. The first is the issue of a ferry commutation and we we'll avoid the

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semantics but essentially um a boat uh arriving and and dis either discharging or picking up substantial numbers of passengers. Uh there's no ordinance that's currently on point. We did research and the burrow of highlands does maintain a lensure uh ordinance

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which requires an operator to have a license. Uh so one thing that would I would advise is to have an ordinance consistent with what Highlands has on the books so that it's very clear that you know prospectively if anyone else wish to consider such a service they

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need to come into the burough council and get a license. So that's the first issue. The second is given the timing issues, if the governing body wanted to address the service as proposed, uh that ordinance would could include um

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allowing the issuance of a temporary permit uh which would allow for you know addressing the current circumstances. Uh some conditions that were discussed in close session include um allowing for the permit to be revoked if there are substantial disruptions to the burrow.

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Uh there would also be a fee that would be commensurate with recovering the costs for special police officers which sounds like the uh uh the folks here have already expressed would not be objectionable. Um and it would also include uh a limitation on the service

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being what is what has already been proposed the nine the nine weekends the 18 trips and that would constitute the temporary permit if issued at the next meeting. Uh the ordinance also would clarify that the marine commercial zone

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the term marine service that definition would include um a a ferry service that's properly permitted under the permit structure that I mentioned earlier. So that would legalize a ferry service again for lack of a better term

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or the semantics uh that has a permit issued by borrow counsel but it would exclude anyone that doesn't have a permit and in fact if you operated a service without the permit you'd be committing an ordinance violation. And then the last issue is is you know whether there's a concern that there are

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actually improvements or a new use. Um the ordinance could um provide that a temporary permit holder is exempt from needing to get site plan approval uh which would allow for the operation to proceed for the temporary

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period but require site plan approval for any permanent lensure. So those are kind of the guideposts of what I would envision if the council wanted to consider um an action of this nature. >> Okay. And that would have a termination date on it? >> Yes, councilman. Uh I think the

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temporary permit would be subject to governing body consideration. So I definitely think that um the administrator, myself, your chief, plenty of other officials internally would be um asking questions to ensure that you know their questions are answered to satisfaction and those terms

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would then be included on the permit and the permit would sunset at the conclusion of the approved period. >> Okay. >> And then going forward then there would be a more formal process for next year. >> Yeah. So, so on a go forward basis, if we kind of look past this year, if it

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were legalized on a temporary basis, the ordinance would be very clear that to operate a service of this nature, you need to get a permit from this governing body and you also need to get site plan approval from the planning board. >> And just a quick question, so to when Mr. Clear was up here, um it seems like

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they're taking pilings away, not adding pilings. Is that correct? Would that still uh need a site plan approval or any development permits for that? >> I I think the internal position is that it's an additional use >> and that that does require uh site plan approval.

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>> Okay. >> It's an intensification of what is occurring at that site? >> Okay. >> Um Okay. >> Hearing that from the attorney, um would the council like to proceed along that path? Um so tonight what would be the

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position like what would be our would this be like a first reading or >> Yeah. So I mean if if we're looking to act within given the time frames that are present uh what I would suggest is you could introduce an ordinance by title. I can read off the title that I prepared. Um, and then I would ask for a

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motion to authorize me to draft that ordinance uh, which would be available for public inspection um, within the the uh, 10day period, the 7-day period prior to the next meeting. I think we have a pretty good runway till the next meeting anyway. >> Yeah. And then uh, you know, the public

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can review that. We'd have a public hearing at that meeting. And if that ordinance were adopted, it would do all the things that I mentioned. And the title I came up with is ordinance establishing license requirement for operation of ferry service clarifying the definitions applicable to the marine

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commercial zone relating to same and interim measures. >> Okay. So we would need a motion then to move this forward to draft the ordinance. Well, it would be both to introduce the titles and also to directly address. I mean, I think that's

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Yeah, that's just to comply with our internal protocols. >> That only includes a pilot program for the remainder of the season. Correct. >> Correct. >> And then at the ensuing meeting, you would have a public hearing on this ordinance. You would consider final adoption of the ordinance and then there would be a separate resolution to

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approve the temporary license upon all the terms that are worked out between now and that meeting. >> Okay. Doesn't this violate what we passed in February that we were going to put something out for the public to see first and have a discussion before we talk about doing ordinances?

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>> Yeah. >> C I mean Councilman, if you're asking me if it violates the standing policy, I did not draft any ordinance. Um I simply suggested a title here. So if you guys make a motion tonight, you can direct me to draft that ordinance. it is perfectly

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legal to introduce an ordinance by title. Um, to the extent you have standard rules, you have the right to suspend them as well. So, it's it's it's always up to you guys. It's not up to me. >> So, is there a motion? >> Can I make a motion then to to have a

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council um draft an ordinance? >> I guess the first thing I would the first thing I would suggest is if if you want to go down this route, I'll read the ordinance title in again and you would make a motion to introduce the title. It's a again it's an ordinance establishing license requirement for operation of ferry service clarifying

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the definitions applicable to the marine commercial zone relating to same and interim measures and I'll email that to you Eileen. >> So like in in the past before that that we did the ordinance somebody could just have an ordinance prepared and it would be like first reading right but now

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we're having a discussion and he's going to draft it. That slows it down >> for us to >> Okay. So, can I get a motion to introduce by name only that Mike just read? >> May I'll make that motion.

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>> Is there I'll second that? >> Now, any discussion if there is to be? I know we've talked quite a bit, but this is procedurally >> by title. So, no, >> it's it's

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by title, but I mean >> it's up to you. You made the motion. There's a second. >> Does anybody any governing body have any comments? >> Comment. I already obviously everyone already knows how I feel about this.

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>> I don't know why we're skirting all the rules, all our ordinances, all our boards to make accommodations for someone who had plenty of time to do it the right way. Uh he said he knew he was starting to do

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this 90 days ago. They could have had all this stuff taken care of. So now we have someone saying, "Here I am coming to vote. Can you guys please change ordinance? We're going to uh we're not going to make you do uh this. We're not going to let you have you do this. You're not going to have to go in front

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of the board. We're going to give you a trial period, but if it turns out bad, we're going to shut you down." This isn't how it's supposed to be done. They're supposed to submit a plan to the zoning board that gets reviewed. It may have to go to a planning board or the

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zoning board to get approval. It has a public notice. This gets put out, not four days like this nonsense is. They have uh plenty of public notice. People could come out like they did tonight on minutes and two days notice. Basically,

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if you weren't paying attention, would we even know this was going on? and they and people could give their say how they feel about this. This is being fasttracked for whatever reason. I have no idea. I have no idea why this is being fasttracked. It was done all wrong. We wouldn't do it for anybody

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else and it's it's against it's not zoned for this. There's so many hurdles that are supposed to supposed to go through and we're just opening the gates say okay yeah do whatever you want and if it turns out to be a mess maybe it won't maybe it'll be a great thing but if it turns out to me then we'll try to

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fix it then if we have a problem with this oh I guess we'll have to deal with that then it's it's a I'm not going to say it shall it really is >> anybody anybody else

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governing body? >> You don't have to. >> No, like I you know, John, you're you're 100% right. And right now, we're cleaning up somebody else's mess. I've said that. Um and there's probably a couple people in this room to blame for

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not notifying us council. With that said, I don't feel that it's that's on the business that's actually trying to come to our town and bring people to spend money in our town.

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Um, so I I get what you're saying. Um, I don't mind running a pilot program to see how it works knowing that there's a sunset to that and they have to come back for the planning board or zoning board. So, if

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the end goal is for them to come to the zoning board and planning board, they have to do that anyway. Um, this is just a temporary fix to help that business out that we weren't notified about. But that's not their problem. It's other people's in this room's problem for not

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notifying the council up here. And we were all, you're right, we're trying to clean up somebody else's mess, which seems to be like the new norm around here. Um, but I understand your frustration, some of what you're saying. I totally agree,

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but it's not that business's fault for trying to come here. It's So, that's all I have to say about it. >> I I mean, I heard about the Sea Streak and u my family used to own Red's Lobster Pot Restaurant. I've worked on that property since I was like 16 until

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I was like 40 or something. So, I know that property extremely well. And when I heard about the sea street coming, I thought, "This is fantastic. It's the top of the inland waterway." I've taken a lot of those fairies. I know how ex expeditiously and efficiently they load

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and unload. Um, am I totally disappointed that we're literally just finding out, we just found out about it, announced to the public was the same time we found out about it. It is a scramble. We're all, I think, very upset about that. Um, but I do believe in a pilot program. I think that Bill and

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Marissa have done a wonderful job over there. I think the shrimp box does a great job. That Channel Drive is also a double wide street. What I'm kind of envisioning, and I'm not a traffic expert. I would need, you know, some help on this. That's why this is not a final vote, by the way. This is a first

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vote. We are thinking about this. That's why they're we're doing that. Um, it's a the it's a twolane wide street and at that corner I believe it's like the widest of the whole street. I think for that period with communication from that

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boat knowing how many passengers are coming in, what time they're going to get there, it could be coned off where one part of the the road is allowed for traffic to pass and the other side is like a a service um like Bill was saying at Newark airport. You get out and it's

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like, well, here's your tax. you just not a free-for-all for the public transportation. And also another idea I've had over the years is that one of the reasons that um Broadway gets backed up in the summer as it's heading east towards the ocean is because when it's

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going to make that lefthand turn on Ocean Avenue, the entrance for that Jeninson's parking lot is like right there and cars don't keep going. They wait for that to open and that backs up the traffic. If that entrance maybe in

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the future, this is a pilot program, I don't know. But if that entrance of Jenkinson's parking lot could be moved closer to the inlet more north, and that's a two wide two-lane wide street, those cars could then move and that would help alleviate some of the traffic

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on Broadway, which is a a main problem, I know, to get on to Inlet Drive. So, you know, there could be solutions here. I think I'm in favor of a pilot program for it. I don't appreciate the scramble and like I said, this is just a first

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vote. We're thinking about it. >> Anybody else? >> Yeah, everybody else talked. I might as well. I think it's a progressive idea. I think it would be good for the town, but I think you have to follow the rules. And

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you knew about this nine months ago. You had plenty of time. I I I just have that and I'm not sure if that's the the perfect spot for it. It has to be proven right or proven wrong. Um I guess but I am I think the process needs to be

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followed. You know uh everybody else has to follow the rules. You know if anybody else any other business you know go get your zoning, go get all your permits. So I mean I I'm not against the idea. I just don't like the way the process was

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done. I don't like the way it was rolled out. So, that's my stance on it. >> Okay, I guess we're ready for a vote. >> And this is a vote to introduce by name. >> By title only by

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>> Councilman Dixon. >> Uh, let me think about it. No. >> Councilwoman Burns. >> Yes. >> Councilman Gant. Yes. >> Counciloman Silison. >> Yes. >> And council Cortez.

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>> No. >> Oh, so what is that? >> Motion passes. >> Wait. >> Three. Yes. >> It passes. 32. It passes. I would also ask for a motion to direct me to draft the ordinance that was just introduced. >> Can we get that motion? >> I'll make that motion.

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>> I'll second that. >> Councilman Dixon. >> No. Sorry, give me one sec. Councilwoman Burns, >> yes. >> Councilman Gant, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Stolson, >> yes. >> And Councilman Cortez,

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>> no. >> And three yeses again. >> And that first reading will be on June >> June. >> No. >> Oh, the second reading, right? 16th. >> Yeah, it's the 16th, right?

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>> June 16th. >> Okay. All right. With that being said, >> can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I I get it.

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Process moves. three hours. >> I did. >> You taking those? >> Yeah. Next meeting. >> No, no, no. I got to go get more. >> Yeah. Get them in your thing. >> You take them home. You're going to want them.

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>> You're going to want them. >> So many. So many. >> Hey, Jack. Jeff Jess well got I mean I was here so I mean I could definitely

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he was just president now the CEO kind of stepping back so he's kind of green so that's why That's