the foll the agenda for the regular B council meeting ccil mayor and Council Municipal Corporation of the county meeting will begin at 7:30 p.m. on February 12th 2025 in the Municipal Building 25 Len Avenue pton Lakes consistent with the open public meetings
act the meeting will be open for public comments and shall be in accordance with the terms and conditions of Burrow's municipal code and V please stand for a flag salute to the flag FL States of America and to the repic for it stands one
nation God indivisible and justice for all please bless this mered Council as they deliberate on the best of pton lakes okay in conformance with the open public meeting Law Public Law 1975 chapter 231 adequate notice of this
meeting setting forth the time date place and purpose of this regular meeting through notice posted on the Bolton Board of the ipal building mailed who have requested and paid for same and published in Suburban Trends roll call please mayor here council president here
Council here counc here Council Ken here counc here here with us evening is our attorney and our ADR okay thank you um so I'm going to start with a certification before I ask
the gentleman to come forward this gentleman works for Columbia Bank and Columbia Bank has always been a friend here in Pompton Lakes when we've ever had an issue we can always rely on the bank itself and their management to show up to everything we do Jee Hoffman who we're going to recognize today always
brings a team of people with them when we do a river clean up if we have a flooding event if we have uh an event going on in town it's one of the only banks that I can tell you in town that takes pride in in our community and and they've done that for a long time so I I I want to thank Columbia Bank for
putting the time in and extra energy in to doing that and then I'd like to bring up Jean for running that Jean's title is a bank cluster manager where is he right that's what it's called cluster is a so you know H is the one
the manager at our local Columbia Bank and he does a lot of community service for us um Let Let It Be we have a river river cleanup he's a member of our rotary he does not live in town okay but has called ppon Lakes his home for uh
for for his uh time here in P lake so we want to thank you for all the time and energy you and the bank put into that and with that bur ppon Lake certificate of recognition presented to Jee Hoffman in recognition of your continued support and contrib contribut to the burrow of
Pompton l [Music] [Laughter] thanks J thank you for everything today I truly thank you like mayor Sarah said um I do not live here but to me this is this is home I have
met so many great business owners so many great people in the community I take pride in this community and I truly appreciate the role that Columbia Bank has given me to allow me to focus on the needs within the community and I'll
continue to do so as long as it need me good than thank you very much so I'm going to jump out a turn a little bit only because we have some members here from our local BFW who have to do a presentation on some signs we'd like to put up on our polls and I'm going to let them discuss it more so I'm going to let I'm going to jump out of
turn a little bit and just open this section of the public hearing for them so whoever is going to speak on your guys behalf I assure you mayor I'm not here to ask for additional funds for the parade today good evening on behalf of VFW Post 2906
we thank the mayor and Council for allowing us to come before them around March of 2024 council president parori contacted me to obtain information on the military tribute Banner program she
explained that the burrow wanted to investigate this I gave her the contact information for Ray boser to Butler who could Supply the information to her I also told her that I would like to become involved in this program and so
would with our VFW she accepted my offer and many hours of research began military tribute banners were contacted and informed on the banner sizes brackets and pricing was
requested once this information was received Miss Paula Dori and I had a conference called with Dan O Rook the superintendent of Public Works seeking his advice concerning what size Banner our light post would accommodate it was decided 18 by 36
would be the proper size he also advised that the DPW would put the banners up and take the banners down mayor in July I advised you that there was an organization willing to sponsor the first 13 banners I didn't tell you who
the the organization was at that time but I'm sure you read between the lines tonight I advise you and the council that to johnan Tri County BFW post is requesting permission to uh
purchase the first 13 Flags you may say say why 13 Flags how did you come up to that number the answer is from wwm one through Vietnam 13 residents of this town gave their
lives for our country that's how we came up with the first 13 during the many hours of research with the help of Mr bosard the branch of service the rank of a veteran and a photo of each one were found by
searching the military archives and high school yearbooks books going back the 19 1937 we would now like to show you a sample of the banner that myself and my committee designed and was approved by
our membership beautiful looks great beautiful may we approach the so you can take a better look just watch the wire that's just watch the wires yeah looks great looks really nice it's both sides it's be both Sid so much it's it's it's both sided we'll come down closer to you
okay so that's the back side yeah yes and we thank and we thank you also for taking the time to put this together can see both sides pleas what a great job you two very [Music] coordinated this was so
SEC so secretive I had to have a nor great excellent thank you anything else you have y okay couple things go for we do have a few requests that the mayor and Council we would like these first banners displayed from VFW
way to kofax Avenue and on to kofax app from and displayed from Memorial Day weekend until the day after Veterans Day as you all know the Memorial Day Parade comes down kofax
Avenue on the wanu Avenue to VFW way this would be a fitting way to honor these Heroes also that no other military tribute banners be displayed the first year I will meet with the burrow
administrator and Supply him with all the information on the banner company and how the area Town programs are administered thank you for your consideration of this request first of all the banner looks great and I want to thank you guys as as
a post for taking care with the first 13 that's very impressive and very important to to us these are people that lost their lives here in our town going back which we always honor at at all our ceremonies but now it'll be on the post which is a great idea I I have no issues with the the area that you've asked to
put them in the only question I'd have to talk to Mike will have to talk to Dan is there enough posts on BFW way I don't know how many now this would be WQ Avenue from way down okay and if there's not 13 then it'll go on to kofax app I
think we reviewed this with Dan in advance just and made sure that it was adequate space okay so you don't want any on the on the turn itself down to thefw you just want them on the on no there are no polls well that's what I'm asking I mean there there maybe something we could do no they would go from the
fwa down WQ Avenue and then onto kfax Avenue because that's the Parade route and we feel that would be the most fitting way to honor those those Heroes yeah I don't see any issues with that and I think it'll be fine to do you know as we move forward and we start this program
growing a little bit there might be more consideration on how we're going to have to do some things because the bid and the Chamber would be involved in some of those decisions uh but right now this first year I see no problems with what you're proposing and what we're doing and those signs will always be up I'm not saying that we're not going to have those signs up they just might be spread
out a little bit more down want you that's all that's something we'll decide that's fine with us the first 13 were the most important to us because they paid the Supreme sacrifice and they should be honored any questions from them no thank
you thank you thank you guys thank you for taking your time take a picture is that okay stay there you want to take a picture I promise not to break the camera you promised that before yeah [Music] thanks guys you very
much thank you mayor okay Council thank you thank [Music] youou okay do you want to go to the uh upgrade mic or you want to go to a public session first no next is the public hearings
yeah okay [Music] not off [Applause] off you want to start oh uh it's a so you have to do okay okay
where oh I'm sorry a motion to open the meeting for public no we don't have that where where do you see a motion to open the meeting open the public hearing we do the one it's not on the agenda right yeah okay so motion to open the meeting for public hearings on the Pompton Lakes
Library phase two uh in uh upgrade that's it oh just do one at a time can I oun president palor councilman Cruz all in favor I against anyone from the public like to address just that Pompton Lakes exterior upgrades to the
library seeing no one can have a motion to close the public hearing motion who was that motion councilwoman Kent that down here second councilman uh councilman Hinton all in favor I against do I have to take a roll call no no that's it that's the public
hearing okay motion to open the meeting for public hearing Improvement to Lakeside Park project you want to talk about it first Mike or yeah I could address the library really quick all right watch to both and then we'll uh I'll open it up thank you uh so we are looking the burrow is looking to apply
for additional funding for the improvements to the Pompton Lakes Library um as you know we've received $500,000 from Congressman Fel from the lake Congress M rout uh last year and on tonight's agenda is a grant agreement
for the library project as well we received funding from the 2024 uh fa County open space trust fund in the amount of $100,000 for the project and then on the agenda tonight is a request of an additional
$100,000 um the funding from Congressman pisel covers all of the window lentils um and the gutters uh for the library that the cost estimate came in at $500,000 for that um and then the historical architect
that we retained advised us that the historic roof must be replaced as well um so all in all the cost estimate uh has been identified north of a million dollar for the project um it has to be
conducted in accordance with the secretary of interior standards uh which is the historical guide on construction projects uh through Federal projects um so like I said all in all hopefully we have $700,000 in funding
for the project um and you know year after year we continue to look for funding um I will note uh with President Trump's recent announcement of the federal funding freeze uh our grant has been subject to some Jeopardy um we
don't know where our grant stands at the moment um but we are hopeful that it will be all resolved uh in the end um but again tonight's public hearing is to request an addition $100,000 for the library um and we're looking to you know
finalize this Grant and hopefully go out the bid in the sometime sometime in the near future if we have to cash the big check I'll just take the big check check to a jean and we'll cash the the check um any questions about the library no
okay that you want to do the playground first if you want to open up to the public well you want to explain first then I'll open up or be that thank you so this so each year for state county open space trust fund allows its member municipalities to submit for one or two
grants um you have to rank your grants in priority order uh with the trust fund um so our first priority is the library because we it's a phase project and we would be jeopardizing T funding if we were to to say that this round it's
priority number two um however uh our additional Grant here is through the park Improvement fund through pay County open space trust fund uh we are looking to uh uh perform upgrades at Lakeside Park specifically to both the Pavilion and
the Muller property um we've discussed this with the open space committee for several months um it's been discussed that the Pavilion roof needs to be repaired and improvements need to be made to the Muller property steps bulkhead uh fishing safety maybe some
benches public seating are area um so this grant covers both projects um however our bur engineer and I had a very quick turnaround that we had to get this grant into the county um so the scope of work is is a little vague to
the county um which can be changed in the future but I would say in terms of this submission uh we would be prioritizing the Muller property first and then any leftover funding from the grant would be used towards the Pavilion um to replace the Pavilion and we looked
at pricing to replace the Pavilion with a steel structure uh and you could be north of $400,000 uh for that project including the slab uh safety against the lake um electrical outfitting and lighting um so
again we we'd like to focus on the Muller property but in order to to include the Pavilion we had to include it in the submission here um but just so you're aware the the Muller property is our concern with this um and a a scope would be refined once we get the grant
so just so we verify you know this is coming from the open space they they had requested this something to look at we had the turn like Mike mentioned the turnaround time was quick so we just did a vague operation of what we'd like to see done if it gets picked and chosen then we'll we'll move forward but with an engineering plan and all those things
and the mower property is what we're identifying is something that has to be worked on initially not saying the pavilion's not going to get done because the Pavilion at some point will need to be done also um all right so let me just open the have a motion to open the meeting for public hearing and Improvement to Lakeside Park project
motion councilman venin council president Paul Dory all in favor I against anyone like to address just this project seeing no one motion to close the public session for uh public hearing for improvement to Lakeside Park projects motion second uh councilwoman
kilberg council president palador other way other way um well it's not the other way it's whoever I choose um keep it that way um said it first what are you talking about it doesn't matter who says it first it's who I call it as that's the way I called it that that's what I
heard that's what I how I heard it that's how I heard it um great I lost touch okay uh do we we don't need a roll call right no no okay any questions for the administrator about say oh let me just I just want to
um if you would just clarify about the fencing and the um the the guard rails on the road because that's a part of that Muller property of course so the Muller property has a chain link fence on it right now um this this project kind of its Inception was the chain link
fence in a way um we have since applied for a grant through the dot uh to pave Lakeside AB from Jefferson AB to Van AB at the Lakeside Middle School um and those costs in removing the fence and putting in a correct uh guard rail in
accordance with do standards the cost of that was included in the dot Grant um so actually it's good timing with the pay County open space trust fund because the access to the Muller property can be addressed as part of the new guard rail that will go in next year as part of our
Paving project so hopefully we can all do it together at the same time that way the access is appropriate okay thank you for explaining that any other questions okay all in favor I against all right thank you motion to open the meeting for public
comments who that councilman who Council I didn't hear it oh me counc K okay and who is here councilman Cruz all in favor against okay anyone from the public like to address please give your name address s to five minutes I'll start over here and then I'll go right
over here PA B 12 Romain ad uh we are all uh recipients if you want to call it of JCP and Electric in this town and I know we get a lot of extras when we get our uh electric bill but last month in
it I saw something about an energy audit and I want to alert you and anyone who's listening to please take part in having an energy audit under your home I had a woman come to my house today spent about an hour and a half with me pointing out things that I could do to improve the
Energy Efficiency in my home but the best part was I walked away with probably 3 or 400 of free stuff light bulbs shower heads power strips I I couldn't believe I mean I have a box
it's it's just full of energy efficient light bulbs and stuff I kept saying is this this is for free she said it's it's absolutely free um up to upgrade your light bulbs to your shower heads you know restricted to flow uh Power Surge
uh power strips please if you you have jcpnl take advantage of this I mean they're giving away free stuff and it's it's going to help your electric go it's also helping the environment so just wanted to let you know that that's out there CU I know I normally get my my bill and I look at the bill and I throw the rest of the stuff away but this time
I said to heck with let me take a look at it so I encourage you and anyone that's listening take advantage of that free home energy audit nice lady came was there about an hour and a half and gave me all this free stuff so take advantage of it when if you had a chance good good information thank you um I saw
another you want to come up [Music] Kathy shortway Pine Street um just wanted to um come and discuss the uh snow removal through the downtown area um you know me in the past as far as
like the garbage and stuff I'm kind of concerned about our downtown area being you know upkept and stuff but I have some uh pictures if I can give them to Liz and she can pass them out to you um but the snow removal um and again I'm
not blaming anyone the snow R was really not really up to par it we had large patches of sidewalks that weren't shoveled we had um snow removal out to the end of you know when you the white lines where you park a car
are you talking about WQ AV WQ app just WQ app yeah yeah and um it it was really not very well done and so it was a concern to me I saw you know elderly people even older than me uh trying to
get out of their cars and they were you know they were afraid they were holding on to each other because they it was just all snow you know you can see from the pictures the one area behind Wells Fargo Bank um there was a huge snow pile this High completely blocking a a
parking spot and parking is very farest in this town to begin with so um I just wanted to bring that to your attention and I thought maybe you know like I said I know the DPW has a big huge job but you know maybe get an outside company to come in and and remove it because it's
really well you can see from the pictures it's it's not it's not a good look we're trying to get people to come into Pompton and it's just not a good look and the other thing is um the the uh and I've mentioned this before that plywood that's in front of that you know
the area where it's being worked on cjm cjm yeah um can't we get somebody to change the plywood I even made a suggestion of maybe like doing a project with high school kids to have them do murals on the on the uh on the on the plywood to make it more it's just a mess
so I just you know it it bothers me to see the town messing so that's it thank you anyone else from the public like to address BR the P how you do um my name is Susan Baron I I don't live in town do I give my address anyway sure 37 ledge Road Wayne
um my family owns two buildings in town um one on kofax and one on Lakeside and they both surround the new Bu The Lakeside Commons the apartment building now we've had issues in the past with the they have to park on the street and
we shareed parking and whatever but with all these storms the they're parking overnight still and I know there were tickets given on the kfax side but now on our Lakeside side um there's you just can't park in front of the buildings because there's uh where where they they
got plowed in and then they leave their car but the plow it's still there so what Lakeside I know is a town thing and maybe they can go back and and move it around I know somebody did come back for kofax I don't think it was the county but somebody did come back with the last storm not this this one today but the
last one but if it could be more enforced that they know that they can't overnight park at any time when it's snowing also the the people that uh plow Lakeside Commons have had a tendency to push it
across the street and we have a fire hydrant right in front of our building um and which I you know I I don't know if they can get a you know ticket for that or somebody can talk to them there I don't I don't really know who's managing that building or whatever but that's just a dangerous thing I have a
guy that comes and does our street and if it's already been plowed he will dig out the fire hydrant but if it gets plowed after he's there it's you that's just so if there's anything you can do to help I'll talk to the end I'll great thank you anyone else please
St uh Joe kleinot 231 Willow have uh also representing pumpin Lakes rivell Little League um the president just wondering how far along we are with the willow field project um I know we're kind of moving forward but I'd like to know how far along we are how the
money's coming um if there's any chance that this project doesn't happen um so thank you for your time thank you thank you anyone else from public like to address please step up gbow 130 Legion Street um just have some questions about
the cameras project thing at the park you got it ask you got it ask uh about the Camas project the parks came up last time mostly if you guys are going to approve a contract I hope that you look a lot into it especially question about the infrastructure going to be required
where the power is coming from what the connection is if it's going to be through cellular to run back all fiber underground there's going to be a microwave connection things like that there all that stuff can teir up the town a little bit too just making it all happen uh especially with the
cost and if there could be a little more clarification on 25- 94 just says Surplus Supply or Surplus property y okay is wondering if that's like you know a table or if that's land just kind
of thank you thank you anyone else from public like to address seeing no one have a motion CL this public session motion councilman venon councilman Hinton is that right
okay all in favor against um Paul thank you for mentioning that I did not know that information and I hope people take themselves up on that because that is vital to first of all saving energy for your own bills and then also for the state so thank you for that good information uh Kathy uh unfortunately WQ
Avenue is plowed by the county not by us so we don't do any of the plowing on that street um we can reach out to the county I'm going to ask Michael to reach out to the county to do a better job on plowing we've had issues with them in the past of either going too fast and throwing the snow up against the doors
or doing just what you're saying just going down the middle and then not taking care of the sides um so uh we can have a better conversation maybe Mike with the D our DPW to see if there's anything we can help with the county to push that snow that they're talking about that's left over now I'm looking
at some of the pictures some of those are sidewalks if those are sidewalks and they're not plowed we do have responsibility to ticket those people so someone would have to make a a call to say hey look this sidewalk hasn't been Cloud just call the building department say the sidewalk hasn't been done they
have a certain amount of time to do it if not they will receive a ticket um so uh you know I I understand your frustration with the piled up snow I see it when I get out myself you got to step over a little pile of snow before you get to the sidewalk it is a little dangerous going on to the parking that's
private property so if they're not if they're the park the parking itself is up to them to plow uh the town doesn't plow they're they're you know you mentioned um wacovia bank that's a private lot so that would be on them to plow they don't have any responsibility to plow if they don't want to but they
should for their own business sake they should um but they don't have to unfortunately um and I'm going to just jump on on on another part that came up with the parking uh definitely there is no overnight parking on any of our
streets during a snow emergency okay so if there are cars there or police have been instructed to ride a ticket to any cars that are parked overnight in a snow emergency and I know they were writing them I I can tell you I saw a list of tickets I'm going to again reach out to Michael to reach out to the police to make sure especially in those areas WQ
Avenue and kfax Avenue that they're riding tickets they cannot push the snow to a fire hydrant either and bury a fire hydrant so if if if we see them doing it we'd have to actually see them doing it they will get ticketed for that too I would suggest this is just my suggestion if someone was to see them in the
process of doing it to just make a call over to the police department and saying they're plowing now and they're plowing in the hydrant I will also reach out to the uh building owner over there to let them know this complaint has come forward both complaints actually about the parking um that they can't park
overnight some people believe it or not don't care if they get the ticket for the one night that they're parking overnight it happens all the time down in South End they just don't move their cars they know they're going to get a ticket and they say I'll pay the ticket and leave my car there so unfortunately that's what happens with the parking um
so going back to to I hope I answered your questions about the parking over there but yes they cannot plow in the the the fire hydrant defitely uh yeah uh willowfield Mike uh we're going to do voting on it tonight but if
you want to give an update uh just the only update is a bond ordinance is on for introduction uh at this evening's council meeting uh upon adoption a contract will be considered for Engineering Services and then we will go out to bed okay thank you uh Jay you spoke about the cameras I think that's
also on the agenda tonight um is part of that on the agenda yes so want don't should give a a heads up on that I don't know that I have anything necessarily to add in that we've met with multiple vendors and uh have discussed it with the police department and this is the
the vendor that we have picked um and if the public wishes to see that uh proposal uh they can submit a request to the clerk's office okay uh and then ordinance 2594 I'm guessing that was just Surplus equipment uh yes we're
looking to uh auction off a Dodge Durango of the police department and also a uh speed uh sign from the police department as well speed sign okay so occasionally just so you know occasionally we do offer Surplus equipment for sale to get rid of it off
our our roster and then we buy new stuff up okay motion com sure um Mr shortway um some of those pictures were Lakeside a which is not a County okay she said I asked her if it was C I
mean wanu she said Wan some of those were right across the street from the Salvation Army um project I forget the name of it right now that's kofax right okay um that's kofax but it's also a lake side by the ice cream station by the ice cream station on the lake side
side okay that is our responsibility that's I didn't realize that some of those pictures was snow covered in the parking spots so uh it's not all the county okay well I yeah it is we'll look into our Lakeside but when I had asked her she had said want to you that's the only reason I went with that but uh if
it is Lakeside Mike can we talk to DPW about making sure there's no snow in those spots thank you know anything we plow they we should be clear of of snow from uh any sidewalks that we own or any parking spots that we own I think that we should make sure that if someone's pushing the street the snow across the
street from Lakeside Commons to those parking maybe to those parking spots that could be a possibility if they're clogging up the Y that you're right I mean so we have to make sure they're aware that they're not allowed to push their snow into the street or across the street that that you're right that they should not be doing that and and if we
catch them they should be ticketed but it's also our street so if they do do that we do have to clean the clean that street um any other questions okay motion to approve the following minutes close meeting minutes January 22nd 2025 regular meeting minut is
January 22nd 2025 have a motion motion councilman Ved counc all in favor I against uh payment and bills as listed below can I have a motion motion councilman second
councilwoman kber all in favor against uh consent ready anybody need a consent agenda removed or explain um I would just like to have a question maybe Michael can answer it I had a question
for him on 2595 2598 and uh 25104 I had a res all we'll get to going to pull them first and then we'll come to those any others no okay okay Liz those
[Music] three whereas the mayor and burough Council B have the agenda consisting of their supposed resolution Mary bough Council the B com does desire to remove resolution for individual action from
that agenda now therefore be resolved of the following resolutions on the consent agenda are hereby approve resolution 25 through 2585 through 25109 and we're going toose 2595 2598 and
2544 okay can I have a motion motion councilman councilwoman Paul council president Paul Dory councilman bennon all in favor I against all right let's take them one at a time you can really take them all at the same time well they're different so let's just take them we got to read them
in contract for professional planning board Attorney Services and Mar Falcon LL okay so what's your question she can read the other two also because it's the same all right goad 98 and read them all okay contract for professional zoning
board adustment Attorney Services Andre contract devel agen for Attorney Services okay what's your question uh the residents concerns were um we got the same attorney on all three boards um
I brought this up with Michael and then U Michael straightened me out a little on it and I just wanted on the record so that the residents are asked me yeah so it's it's a carryover from board to board there's a lot of information that moves between the boards and it's very
convenient to have that moving from one board to another but I'll let Michael my question was a conflict of interest but Michael I would defer to the B attorney but I do just want to point out there coincidentally there was a very interesting article on the last page of the league of municipalities magazine
Edition from this month that specifically addresses this concern so I would encourage you after the meeting to go read that um but I would defer to Dave yeah I mean certainly not a not a conflict of interest it's a consistent interest that the uh the attorney is representing and um as the mayor said
there isn't a lot of overlap and so there's a great economies to the buau by having one attorney in those three seats Resident was concerned if he had a problem at one board it was referred to the next board it's the same attorney well that the boards don't really intera
like a zoning board and a planning board wouldn't interact like that um so they really would be the zoning board is more for the residents and the planning board would be for Building so they wouldn't really react that way and revel re development would be business so okay
I just wanted in public okay no problem all right this's want to put those three together them again uh well we didn't vote on those three we got to vote on those three you don't have to read them just the numbers okay so we're going to vote on 2595
2598 and 2514 all right can I have a motion mtion motion second who was that there who over there it can be you councilwoman kilberg and who was over councilman Cruz all in
favor I against okay ordinance is whenever you're ready these ordinances have will be presented for second reading and final adoption on February 26 ordinance 259 Bond ordinance appropriate
7965 and authorizing the issuance of 78,000 bonds or notes of the burrow for various Improvement or purposes authorized to be undertaken by the bur of pton L in the county the state motion to approve ordinance 2509 for
introduction motion council president paor councilman venon uh roll call please we do a discussion sure what's your question well I just wanted to point out that it this is this is the bond for willowfield and
for the cameras yes so just so that you know this is for willowfield do you want to add anything else no no okay roll call please oh did you have anything sure yeah just make a note that Michael had said that these were
both put on together they could have been put on separately correct right so so we have to retain Bond counsel for these type of activities um and there's a there's a cost efficiency in in putting one Bond
ordinance together rather than three because our bond Council does charge per ordinance um so that's just the reason for it it's just coin coincidentally the project happened to fall at the same time and it's saving us some money right so if you were opposed to one but in
favor of the other that's just the way it is right now that's not to say that the cameras couldn't be introduced at a later date thank you okay roll call please Council Ken
yes Council Hilda yes Council yes Council Benn yes Council Cruz yes Council no ordance 2510 an ordance amending chapter 7 section 730 ter prohibit of
the B of code of the B of PS and L I thought pulling this one yes mayor this must be pulled uh there was a clerical error uh so we will reintroduce it at the next so that one's being P so you confirmed because I have um uh letter D indicates specifically in the in the
wording that it is a left turn into the site we're unclear but we believe that there may be some sort of error so we just want to double check okay yeah thank you thank you for bringing that the motion for that no no it's just being
yeah uh 2511 an ordance amending the downtown we develop plan as cified section 19084 of the code of the bar motion to approve ordinance 2511 for introduction motion councilman
V second any seconds second councilwoman Kent I would like to make an additional motion to have this item Ted uh to a meeting in the future and what is the reason we're tbling it for um we have professionals
coming in to discuss these items at meetings taking place at a future date the council has questions there were some included uh topics in there that we want more information on and other than the fact that I've made a motion to have it tabled and I will second have it second and now we take a roll poll okay roll
call but before we take the roll call I'm going to have some discussion on this um we've had our professionals come in and present our Planner on this on project uh the the agreement is set to be presented to us at another meeting uh
so I'm not going to pay a planner to come back and present the same information that's been presented already that's what who's been presenting it so I was told Redevelopment was coming in the director was coming in to discuss the intricacies of that and there are uh block and lot numbers in there that were not included in the original discussion so my motion
and the second stands to have this move is is that correct Mike is there I the is there something in there that we don't know um this this struck me as being what uh Kristen Russell discussed with us um if there are things in there
that the my understanding when Kristen Russell was here was that she was going to do not just um the one specific uh Wan qav application but redo the development uh Redevelopment plan in
order to back it out of the zoning order ordance and to put design standards in that from my understanding is is what was done but that's not going to happen for a year I would like a little more time so I I want to continue to press forward and ask them to have this tabled okay uh like I said I want to
take a vote on that in a second but we've already spoke to our planner about this just so everybody's clear the planner is putting together a proposal with the boards to discuss something in the future this is a long drawn out process that could take over a year to get done this is not something about this project this is about our
Redevelopment plan two weeks won't make a difference I'm speaking please our Redevelopment plan is in place that she's going to addressed it's not about and nothing will be done in the next two weeks by the way by Kristen with the questions that were asked so nothing is going to be addressed with that um so
with that I'll take a roll call vote please this is this is on the motion to table to table can I ask a question just before we do that so just to understand did I any point of the meeting did we all discuss the terms of
the pilot and agree to it no we're going to hear that at the next meeting that's at the next meeting but we're voting on just going to the planning board just going to the planning board yes Pilot's the next ordinance bobia this is the one that is amending block and lot numbers
that are outside of what the sujun project was that was originally discussed and I was a little caught off guard by some of the so I description yes I don't know where these block and lot numbers so can we just have some additional disc there's discussion right now about your proposal just asked to
take a vote and he asked a question so Bob can answer your question that this is to send it to the planning board then they have their own internal investigation of what they need to do there and then they send it back to us and then we vote on it so this is just to send it to the planning board yeah this is the first step in the three step
process we I mean I just want to make sure I'm going in knowledgeable of everything that we're voting on are there indeed any point of confirmation that there are indeed block numbers that were not part of the I mean I need somebody to tell me that before I move forward right so the way I understand it what they're talking about the block
numbers is the plan that we're going to put in place when we redo our master plan for redevelopment there there's a lot of blocks and lots going to be included in that this this project only has one block and lot it's just one project so just to go back so we're talking about the design standards now the design standards as I understand
have to do with the color and a lot of that has nothing to do with the amendment of anything that's done on the first floor as far as retail is concerned or anything like that so what's going to happen is we're going to put together a committee there's going to be some Council on it there's going to be some planning board members on it there's going to be some Redevelopment
members on it we're going to all sit with Kristen she's going to walk us through this this going to take some time for the design standards this has nothing to do with this first project that we're talking but this ordinance specifically addresses more than just design Aesthetics for buildings other than the one project that was discussed
it does talk about it also talks about it also talks about um um other block and lot numbers besides the specific one it talks about having um living space on the bottom
floors of those as well so that's why I'm concerned about I don't know where these block and lot numbers are I think the confusion is is the burough attorney uh Robert usek who prepared the ordinance I I think that what he did was
uh he copy and pasted part of the Redevelopment plan within our code um and the items that are highlighted I'm sorry or bolded and italicized within the ordinance are those that were specifically changing for 60 WQ only um
so I think there may be confusion on the way that the ordinance appears uh but it's always been my understanding that this is solely for 61 AQ and we have a proposal from kers and uh that's in our budget coming up to do the design
standards and to amend the whole plan itself uh that was not part of this ordinance but if there's concerns we can certainly so wait I have a question where's where's where where is block 6300 lot
34 there is no block 63 there's a it says here block 63 lot 7 there is no block 6 well it says block 6300 I couldn't find and lot 28 and it says residential usage shall be permitted on any story of the building
so why I'm not understanding so what what has to happen so you understand that is a variance that has to be changed and that has to be sent to the planning board for their approval but where is that in 61 so let me get this 63 or is that 62 because we have 62 up above it
62 you're I don't know what you're looking at I don't know maybe there a typo but we're only talking about 61 AQ Avenue R but that's not this 7,000 listed there's a lot more listed than just one so we need obviously more time to digest this now we've been given some
additional information so all we're talking all we're talking about but we're not I know but I'm refering could you please step up to the micophone I'm talking about just 12 I just need clarification I thought I was only observing the attorney I didn't see if
you look at the doc I don't know him I know do we he's I'm allowing him to speak yeah I don't know who he is I'm sorry say Who You Are Davis the attorney representing 61q the redeveloper on this Christen Russell who
a planner who was here last time we presented and I presented with her on this topic the mayor is correct there were two proposals that she recommended one was a standalone just to deal with this project one was the larger project if you look at the ordinance and you look at the attachment to it that does
list other lots that is because it was a copy and paste of the entire ordinance the amendments are only Those portions that are bolded and underl line which you will see only addresses block 6300 Lot 1 which is the 61 AQ lot that's the only changes that are being made
everything else in there is already in your law there's nothing changeable to that thank so this ordinance that is proposed to you is only addressing one lot only that which is bolded correct and you guys wrote it so yes yeah so so on the same page it's only
about this one block we're talking about this one project1 what block and lot number is that one property it's block I don't have it in front of me if you have in there it's the bolded one it's 6300 it's lot one I believe it's block 6 but just to you're see that's that lot
or that information is already existing is already part everything but that which is bolded which is that lot okay correct everything else in there is 20 it says block 2400 lot one is that what you're talking about okay it is that is 61 AQ Avenue everything else in there
you can look up your ordinance right now that's already there it is just bolded language which only addresses block 2400 lot one so where did all these other lot I just want to understand where all these other lots for the future when we're going to revisit the master plan and of the Redevelopment so why are they
in this ordinance they're already in the ordinance can we have this Rewritten just to include the scope of what it is we need to read that's what she recommended doing as the larger project is pulling that all out that's confusion you're having right now is exactly why she recommended doing that presented in
that way that's ex I was just going to say the confusion is because our our Redevelopment plan is not a separate document and that it's in our code so when we go to amend it it makes it confusing because it may seem as it as if it's for other properties as I was
mentioning before uh this is only for 61 AQ and our attorney Robert usik expressed to me that that that's his concern is that it makes it difficult to write the ordinance because of that so can you present it to us with a little bit more clarity of we table it for the next meeting then well it's so I don't
know that it can be clear it's it's the only only changes are to what are bolded so so my question is is there already an ordinance is there already B numbers the oh the Bolden numbers they're talking
about the the paperwork here I you'll see numbers just show you it's page number three yeah it's not on that Bobby it's on the what he's looking at oh well this is I guess it's his
property so I have a question so are we so are you saying that there's already an ordinance and this is in the ordinance and we're just changing one section of that or this changes one section of that or this is the existing ordinance I think I this confusion the version
that the council got did not include the to it that we are looking at so I will absolutely on something that was not presented yeah so we don't even have one no no no what I'm what I'm suggesting is the language in here is all accurate which is being adapted the attachment was being presented to show
you the Bold which is what is changing but this is still accurate and can be voted on today if you look at page so I have questions about you look at page three here where it begins with respect to lot 2400 lot one this is the
new section it doesn't appear bolded as it should because the attachment you this but this is what changed here only address pages to your question council president about whether you can table this you can't because the only thing you can do to make it clear is to wait
that full year until Mrs uh Miss Russell is able to pull this out and I will I will agree with Mr usik being on the other side as the developers attorney and having done many projects in this town I may have done a Redevelopment project in maybe 100 towns this is the only town that does it this way and it does cause confusion so I do so we also
were sent an email from an attorney representing another um resident that owns a property that occupies space on that lot that is also considered part of the Redevelopment Zone that's not being considered as part of the overwhel Redevelopment plan and these modifications to this and this project
are going to significantly um devalue the other Redevelopment that's incorrect so you there's no other property owner that is being changed we have been given correspondence back and forth from this individual's attorney that hasn't been addressed yet and I don't feel
comfortable until we have a little bit more understanding as to what this whole entire thing entails especally that's the purpose of the public hearing at the second and let me just add to that that hasn't come to our attorneys or administrator in any shape or form I believe it has Michael were you sent copies of that I I don't no so no one's
received anything and you can't speak for someone else did you receive it I received okay but we our our professionals have not seen it right so I still want to move forward with so what we're talking about is it's only 61q Avenue we're talking about here okay so it's all clarified it's been clarified by our administrator it's been
clarified by our attorney correct okay if there's any other questions then I'm going to take a roll call all we're doing is moving this to the planning board for for the next step we're not voting on anything okay I me the procedure is that it gets introduced here approved to for recommendation to
the planning board the planning board that looks at it they have 45 days to look at it to provide you comments those comments then come back to you and if you don't have them by the next meeting you should have them by the following meeting and that's when you'll take the
formal action have the public hearing to adopt the organ for our own planning board we're talking about our planning board yes our board at at that meeting is when we decide whether we like the project ourselves and we say yes or no that is when you decide whether yes whether you want to make these changes
in your in your ordinance to accomodate the developers requ so this tonight isn't actually we're not actually making the changes no you are not actually making the changes you you are sending them to the planning board for the planning board's comments to come back
to you for final action following a public hearing and that's that's when the changes would actually be made as with any that's normal procedure that's that's normally how we do a project so if we delay it two weeks mayor then the planning board's got to wait another
month to hear it and then it's got to come back to us almost a month and a half later two months and delaying it doesn't do us any good here because there's nothing we can change as the attorney has mentioned this is what it is we're just moving it off to the planning board that's all we're voting on now we're not voting on anything else
and if additional clarification is needed from from me I can give you that clarification between now and then on why this is but but looking at it this is exactly as Steve described it it it's it's because of this form of ordinance
that we have that it's in our in our zoning ordinance so we can't we can't just give you the little the changes because it would it would just look odd because it it you you would be missing half the ordinance so you will confirm for me
that we are only in fact suggesting to move forward that one property correct that is correct because this the reference is it's just this thing when I read it no I I get it too understand second okay all right so you either going to pull your motion or move
forward with your motion whoever made the motion are all of you comfortable at this point with my it's not asking it's not a strw pole it's well no but there's a motion to table a motion you a motion asking I just Bob you have something you can ask a question you can ask the
council president I'm allowed to address and comment on anything that is being the in the council meeting is that not correct this is my hold on hold on guys guys listen I'm going to make it very easy for everybody I am comfortable what was told to me by the attorney and the mayor and my V's going to be to move
forward with this okay plain and simple then I withdraw the motion okay so the motion's been withdrawn is who seconded it me are you okay with with withdraw okay so now we go back to a motion up to can I say one more short sure sure also
uh for council president palador I do recommend that any correspondence from the attorney inquiring about that property any concerns should be shared with the bur administrator was I'm sorry I so should be shared so at least for all of us all intents and purposes we are all aware of what's going on this where at least we have a better
understanding of what that Resident or the multiple emails you received from the attorney I saw a bunch of people in an attorney on it I assumed it went to okay I apologize I specifically don't know where you're just off just okay so motion to approve ordinance 2511 for
introduction Mo second councilman venon councilman Cru roll call please so I we already had removed it we removed it okay no you didn't have a motion to approve you had a motion yeah we did oh you did I'm sorry yes so stick
to those first two just do a roll call yes okay councilwoman can yes councilwoman kber yes councilwoman yes Council Benn yes Council yes Council
hen yes okay thank you ordinance 2 5-12 coordinance authorizing tax exemption and pay taxes in connection with the resil complain for 24 one and authorizing the execution of a financial agreement for payment in of
[Music] tax motion to approve ordinance 25-12 for introduction motion we have discuss yes after we get the second we yeah I'm sorry councilman Ben was uh one uh I need a second second councilman Cruz I'm
going to make a motion to table this as well I'll second it thank you okay so what is your concerns about this my concern is that we have Phoenix advisers coming uh to the next meeting and I would like to hear from them before I approve the pilot when I would like to see alternate suggestions on different
uh terms as well Mike do you want to address the meeting or so I have had a separate conversation with the B administrator and made my concerns um clear to him and also let him know that I would be suggesting that this be moved into I just want to get some information of what you're asking and why you want
it pulled the you're asking it to be pulled because you want Phoenix to come in and explain the pilot which they are doing at the next meeting so I would like to wait to vote on anything until after we hear from the professional this is just the first reading though right this is just the first reading and has nothing
and then we will immediately move into adoption and I would like time to digest the information that's shared with us I'm also going to reach out and ask that they send uh another version of that uh for a different length of term shorter or longer well we're at the maximum right now so do you understand making it
shorter is a is a disadvantage to the T I understand that I would like to hear from them and see that in their in their interpretation of it as the professionals that we hire to do this so I have a seconded motion to table this so that we can get additional information after the professionals
speak I find it difficult to believe that you would be against us wanting to fully hear all of the information before as you state these are one of the most important decisions that we make up here you voted on numerous projects before this and never had an issue with
this now you have an issue with this project I do because now we've had time to sit up here and see how many errors have been made along the way with pilots and the reason that we have Phoenix advisers this is the first one that they are working on with us that we had to hire because there have been errors made
in the past this is the the first one they are introducing to us they are coming in to speak at the next meeting and I would like to hear from them before I vote first your facts are wrong this is not the first one they've worked on and we brought them in to figure out the pilot numbers not to work for making
the pilot they were here to look at our old pilots and see what we're supposed to be colle this the first new one they're presenting to us and I can go back and replay we have a motion Mike do you want anything before we go to the motion no no not um we have a motion we have a second I think a roll call please you have any question this is on the
motion to table right if there's any other questions I guess the I don't necessarily have a problem with the ordinance so to speak I think it it it is worth so as a second term councilman obviously there's a lot of things that as I'm going along I'm understanding a
little bit better in particular residents do not understand this so just for a point of clarity and and this is just speaking for myself I think is worth noting that residents do not understand that there are other pilot options it seems to be assume that everything is 30 year 30 year 30 year
and I get a lot of questions well why do we always do 30 years why do we why I you know and then you find out yeah there are other available options so I just want to point out that I do not have a problem necessarily with this but I think it's worth noting that if Phoenix when they do come and they're
able to explain why those options were not you know discussed with us it will help them understand a little bit better why we settled for the 30- year where is the benefit to the burrow or not you know documentation did lay out I would like to add one additional comment to what Bobby said in contradiction to what
the mayor said Phoenix advisor stood at that Podium and shared with us specifically that there were projects that were proposed to them in other municipalities where the length of term of 30 years did a disservice to the buau and was rejected by them and turned down for a shorter term so I would like to
see the comparison on this there um yeah just just if Phoenix is going to Michael will Phoenix actually be here at the next meeting yeah okay so at the next meeting is when we would have the public hearing on this ordinance and so if you introduce it
this evening you will have them here at the time of the public hearing and if what you hear doesn't satisfy you from Phoenix that would be the time for you to then then you know vote no on the ordinance yeah my bank is but it was
just for but there's if because that public hearing it probably makes sense for you to move forward with the the ordinance this evening and then hear them out at the public hearing as part of the public hearing process then if residents do have questions about it they'll have an opportunity to raise
those questions and we can have Phoenix right here to help them through that process and that's why introduce well it's just it's just a a good no it doesn't hurt you I mean the attorney said the process that
we've done yeah the public can ask question but just go ahead for for anyone in doubt we have an opportunity to stop this sure at the next meeting sure so I have no problem moving this forward we have an
opportunity to stop definitely okay and it's a public session okay if we decide to move that and I want the public to understand that we're providing documentation in pages in Pages between Phoenix developer and this is a discussion that goes back and forth we read through this information to
understand what the project scope is and what those contractual deals are or discussions that they have and Phoenix represents us and say hey this is good this is bad okay okay so I don't want anyone to think that this is a service that we're using that we don't confi uh
trust but we do so these questions are more for the public for my own sake it's always good to understand that we have other options we've always done 30y year but know that there's other terms that we could agree to as well so I don't have a problem specifically address that there are other terms but comfortable
moving this all right so stop right so just let me explain what's going to happen at the next meeting at if we were to press this forward to the next me this meeting the next meeting we will have a Redevelopment uh uh uh person here and we'll have our person from um Phoenix Phoenix here to explain your
concerns and questions we can ask them questions the public can ask questions and then after all that is digested and you hear then there will be a vote okay but it's not until after you hear that so the reason the attorney mentioned that this is the way you normally do it so you can get to that step where the public can ask questions public can't
ask questions right now they can't do anything it's when in the second reading is when they can do all those things so that's why we'll do it okay so now we ask but we're talking about pushing it off to the next meeting but no keeps pushing it but the public can ask
questions there but the information that we get as a council from the next meeting gives us an extra two weeks or so to digest that information no so you should have all the pilot information now I'm asking for additional terms I'm talking please don't information please
don't interrupt me when I'm speaking you're pushing okay you have all the information now if there's something that catches you off guard and you you want to ask a question about it it's not going to change the information is not going to change unless we vote to change it you have the the agreement from them
of what they're going to propose okay so you have it already that's what they're going to present when they come here if you want a question about what you've seen then you're going to ask that question but I what information I have now is on the 30-year P right when we
come to the next meeting they're going to explain to us say a 20-year pilot 15 year they're explain why you this was a question that I always had show me the other 15 the money that the town would break basically the
breakdown so then at that point and at that point so then when they do give me I'm okay when they give me that information and give us that information at the next meeting I want time to digest that to really look at it you so then I don't
want to vote at that time you don't have to you could table it if you want to digest information you could table it yeah he's he's right you can you can table it then and then um adopt you'll
have another public hearing and if if it's tabled at that point well the only way this makes sense is if at that meeting Phoenix comes prepared to show us uh what a 15year look like I want in advance of that some comparisons on
different terms because without that we're just sitting here asking random questions that they will not be prepared to answer information that they will not be prepared to provide to us and it puts us right back to where we are now only with a motion to approve and not a motion to
introduce and I'm not comfortable with this well Michael can very well email them and have them prepared for the items that we want you know to look over he can do that I mean we got plenty of time for them to prepare that so I can't
take it right now all right so we're right now we're in a motion to table this we had a second uh roll call please table table table yes if we table it that means that the public can't right can't meeting can't
they public hearing specifically on this they could ask about it but could you just make your could you we have a just make your opinion clear as to what we what you recommend well no it's I I don't have an opinion on on that I'm I'm
only saying that by tabling it you you just you're pushing off the public hearing if you're going to have all the all the players here it may make sense to have that public hearing at the at the next meeting and then if uh
councilman Hinton or doesn't is isn't is concerned with what he hears he can vote no vote no or table it or table or vote to table it okay so we do have that there's nothing that precludes you from from uh working through the the through
Michael to have some of these things addressed prior to the next meeting right if you're wondering you knowes have to be done could it be negotiated remember there's another party on the other side and I don't want to get any contract negotiations here that's a closed session item but um there's a
party on the other side so you know there may be reasons why this is a 30 as opposed to a 20 or or or some other other but we weren't given that information the public does have a chance at the next me they will they will it's it's a public hearing on that
specific on this specific on this just this all right roll call please wait what we this is the motion to table it motion to table so if you vote Yes on this it would push it off and counil K
so councilwoman Ken no councilwoman gilber yes Council yes Council no council Cruz no and Council yes okay with the tie I
will break the tie and we'll move this forward to the next you're voting I'm voting no to table table so now where am I now it's a roll call roll call
approm K yes counc no councilor no councilman Ben yes Council approves yes councilman
no again I will approve say yes to move this forward talk okay ordinance 25 uh what am I on 07 06 I'm sorry 06 posted ordinance 256 an ordance
amending chapter 2 of the rised General ordinances of B governing workplace conduct motion to open the meeting for public comment on ordinance 25-06 motion councilman venon second councilman Cruz NOP uh councilman Hinton
uh all in favor I against anyone anyone like to address just this uh ordinance seeing no one motion to close the meeting for public comments and ordinance 25-06 so moved Council Cruz councilwoman kilberg all favor I against motion to
approve ordinance 25-6 for final adoption motion council president poori councilman Hinton uh roll call please counc yes counc yes
yes yes coun yes yes orance 257 and non amending chapter 29 of the revised General ordinances of B L amending the tree removal protection and replacement
ordinance to include an exemption for invasive trees motion to open the meeting for public comments on ordinance 25-7 motion council president alori councilwoman kilberg all in favor I against anyone from the udience like to address just this
ordinance seeing no one motion to close the public session on ordinance 25-7 motion councilman bennon second who's that councilman Kent councilwoman Kent uh all in favor I against motion to approve ordinance 25-7 for final
adoption motion councilman vett second councilwoman kilberg roll call please councilwoman Ken yes councilwoman kber yes counc yes counc yes Council Cruz yes Council H
yes 2508 258 an to receive the municipal have I'm sorry Municipal budget appropriation limits and established a cap bank for calendar year 25 2025 motion open meeting for public comments
on ordinance 25-8 motion councilman vennett second councilman Hinton all in favor against anyone like to address just this ordinance seeing no one motion to close the public comments on ordinance 25-8 Mo councilman venon council
president paor all in favor I Against motion to approve ordinance 25-8 for final adoption motion councilman venon second councilwoman kilberg roll call please yes
yes yes yes yes yes okay thank you Miss okay before I start I have some appointments uh historic commission may to appoint Eric help me with the name Hunker mhler is
that his name a huner aarin huner as Class B member of the historic preservation commission for a 4-year term until December 31st 2028 um I'm going to accept resignation of Andy Dick Dixon as an alternate commissioner to the shade tree
commission and to appoint Andy Dixon as the commissioner to the shade tree commission to fill an unexpired term I'm going to appoint kayn o Conor as an alternate commissioner to the shade tree commission to fill an unexpired term 12312 six and I have a motion by myself
with advice and consent of council to appoint Scott Sanders as commissioner to the Redevelopment agency to fill unexpired Term 12 3129 can I have a motion motion councilman venon second so this a rot call we can vote now on this councilwoman uh what that Ken Ken you
can uh either way it's a this is actually a voice vote but you can have a roll call if if it's uh if there's some question on The Voice vote so we'll do roll call we can do a roll call yeah we can do a roll call for all three no just the first three are mine it's just the
last one it's just the last this is the Redevelopment agency appointment so uh the roll call on the Redevelopment this Council yes Council no counc
no council Denny yes councilman Cruz no councilman no okay so we'll find another one for that um okay under my report what did I do here uh I attended
a finance meeting we'll be meeting in the future uh to discuss our options on the budget let me just say the budget was very tight this year it's a tough year with pensions and retirement going up we had some big pluses that helped us and one of them with all the talk we were just doing about Redevelopment and
its Pilots the pilots were a huge help in in helping straighten out our budget a little bit if we didn't have the pilots it would be a bigger hit to our residents but there'll be more to come on that I attended um the ambulance dinner the installation dinner where I sworn the new ambulance members always a
nice time they have it at the tides they do a great job I got to thank the committee that puts that together it's a great group of people you know let's not forget all our volunteers that we have in this town our ambulance Squad fire department he's a regular nextdoor neighbor citizens who are running out in the middle of the night to take care of
you to set you know if there's a fire call I can't tell you how many CO2 detectors go off at 3:00 in the morning and these guys are up in the middle of the night going after them to get them out same thing with our ambulance Squad we have one of the best ambulance squads around we cover so many towns because we have coverage for it and these are all
volunteers so you know when you see those guys just thank them for all the time and energy they put into our town um I attended an eagle ceremony for Michael scalla always exciting to attend Eagle ceremonies these are kids who put a lot of time and energy into what they do um and they do great projects in town
they've done a lot of things things that have helped our community that you just don't see and you just see them getting fixed um but it's a lot of hard work and a lot of time and energy that goes into those performed a bunch of weddings I had a meeting with a couple of the council and the DPW uh with the DPW
about some concerns we had attended the Redevelopment meeting Not much went on it was a reor meeting but I'll let councilman venant speak about that um I had a zoom meeting with our attorneys about some issues going on in town I attended a ribbon cutting on Monday for the Northern Regional
Education Services which is basically the daycare center run from uh the school uh most people don't realize that's a county project um and it's fortunate that we have it here in town because it's only for Pompton Lakes and Riverdale residents to use the daycare a
lot of our teachers use it a lot of our police officers use it um it's where the little lambs used to be in the church um and they do a great job over there and they had a big turnout of of of people and you know it's exciting to know that they picked pton Lakes as one of the places they want to have this I think they said that they they've been
there for 40 years going back with with that 40 40 well daycare of some sort of course which is always a nice thing to see and that is my report council president poor okay uh thank you I served at the pumpin reform Church
community dinner they had uh a tremendous turnout so thank you to everyone that volunteers for the church to make that possible for the community I want to on behalf of the prevention Coalition thank uh the over 30 groups of vendors that participated in making the Hardwood Classic held at
the high school uh two weeks back such a success um particularly our Coalition leader Ryan goser has asked me to pay a particular thank you to Dr P who has done such an amazing job in sharing
information and generating interest and and really just working so hard with Ryan to make these events such a success um he also asked that I remind you that the Diamond Classic with the softball team is coming up on April 5th and The Walk For Hope will take place on May 18th so we're starting to prepare for
that now uh I also attended the first a dinner I am a member of the squad so I do have a few um congratulations that I want to hand out to some of my other fellow Squad members this was a 90th anniversary dinner so we are celebrating
our 90th year of serving this community um they give out recognitions at every dinner for members that really I mean everyone goes above and beyond but there are some members as far as calls and hours are concern that really uh knock it out of the park so you know for calls
um Deborah Ross was able to uh answer 248 calls Amanda gossen 301 Michael filos 392 top three hours of service Savannah gomber at 998 Amanda gsen at
1,252 and Michael futos giving 1,369 hours of his time to the first aid Squad so we thank all of them for their dedication uh five years of service went to Michael futos Madison gundela and Jeff Chandler 15 years of service to
Pete shimel 20 years of service to Don gosen and Dan catrell and 25 years of service to our first aid Squad thank you Millie Styers uh also as far as the first aid Squad is uh concerned I want to take a minute to bring recognition to
the fact that two of the members worked very hard with uh the County Board of Commissioners for bake County on um getting our building to be designated as a historic site so the plaque was just installed on the building a few weeks ago I'd like to congratulate Ed and
Sharon on completing the first uh Squad historical plaque project working with pay County Board of uh Commissioners the plaque was installed on the building um Sharon sunny in particular had made mention to the fact that uh this is we
are called the mother Squad so south of New York all the way through Patterson for many years this was the only uh operating first aid building from that building numerous other local uh municipalities uh began their own squads
but we are the original first aid Squad in the area so it was a very special Year all around for the squad um two other things I want to mention so I have this is probably more of a question maybe you can address this in your
report there there are always inconsistencies with the way that the meetings are filmed whether it be issues with the audio whether it be issues with the scope of where we reach on the de whether it be where the camera is angled
the filming of the last video uh more than 50% of the meeting was at a blank screen on the w um I know that this is done manually and I I would like to explore if there is a way to make this more efficient to
streamline this to create some type of a system where the burden doesn't fall on our burough clerk to remember to move the C the camera reposition the camera um more consistency with the audio and you know just consistency overall with how the meetings are shared it seems like sometimes we can get the meeting up
in 48 hours sometimes it takes 4 sometimes it's a day it it just I don't understand how we don't have like a process for this you know technology is we can pretty much do anything so I don't think it should fall on Liz to have to remember to move the camera
around um if you're watching it on 77 you're you're staring at a blank screen for you know over an hour and then my last comment in regards to volunteer selection just so that the public is aware that particular uh volunteer that was not selected this evening was not
because there is is a member of our community that well in advance of the last choice for redevelopment had submitted an application asking for the position had reached out to numerous council members uh his desire to sit on that board has been made aware and he has now been skipped over for
individuals that have not submitted an application I personally will continue to vote no until that individual is chosen and that is my report thank you I forgot to mention uh we had one of our own pick for the county faic they make a calendar and one of our own student
uh was picked for November her name is November Sarah re re Reas or Rea and she is November in the Pacific County calendar which is nice to see always to see us recognized in that so thank you thank you sah great
um councilwoman Ken uh thank you mayor I want to thank the VFW uh folks for coming in tonight giving us the presentation on the signage and the the beautiful photos that are going to be
hanging on Town and I also want to thank council president Paul Dory for this was her initiative and she stuck with it for about two years and it's nice to see it come to fruition so thanks Jen that was it's well worth it and I think it's going to be an and
and excuse me is is going to add to our downtown um look to honor our our our veterans so I want to thank you I also want to uh congratulate Jean Hoffman on his uh acknowledgement he works very very hard
I worked with Jean on a number of river cleanups and he always brings people uh from his staff over to help clean up our town and it is very much appreciate all he does um this past month pretty much missed January I wasn't around I was uh
helping out with my my son and we were blessed with another beautiful granddaughter and I want to thank so many people for sending me uh messages of well wishes um I've had over 300 posts on my Facebook page so this baby turned me into grandom a
rockstar so I just want to tell tell everyone thank you very much if you didn't get my message directly but I did attend the open space Zoom meeting with the project engineer and The Architects regarding hfield Park and the garage and the boat house and the upgrades uh that need to be
completed and we did have a a long discussion with uh mayor and and our administrator regarding permits that are evidently going to be required if we operate one way or if we build it one way and costs we going to really be skyrocketing so I think we came up with
a reasonable recommendation and I'm looking forward to getting that information back Michael from the um engineer and from the architect so looking forward to that um DPW is making Headway with the snow and salting of the local roads I know we had uh Council we
had a breakdown of one of the main uh salt trucks trucks but they got it repaired I believe within 24 hours so I believe they are ready to uh deal with the storms um and again um you know as the mayor said please do not park on the
streets if it's snowing because you will be ticketed I also attended the Shater commission meeting this past Monday uh I want to thank the mayor and Council for the appointments for the two um new Commissioners Andy Dixon and Kalin oconor they are those professional
people and they hold certifications in tree um tree uh landscape uh architect and environmental programs so our commission is is really quite an amazing group they are a well-educated group of residents um for our sha Tre program and
for our town in general and for our tree uh or for Community Forest program that I'm very proud to be a part of uh kin just recent she's going to be receiving her PhD in environmental science and um all of our all of our sh Tre Commissioners are very very active and
have more than hours than they actually need but they're very uh determined to keep this tree keep this town a tree City I also attended the finance budget meeting via the phone and um concerned
about the budget coming up uh so I'm hoping that we'll be talking about that next meeting Michael or is that March 12 March 12th okay uh please listen to the budget see where we go with that um and that is my report congratulations again
on your grandchild always was exciting yeah it is um councilwoman kilberg thank you um that was my first congratulations to councilwoman Kent I thought you said congratulations to me almost um on the birth of your granddaughter I'd like to thank Gina
Hoffman for all he and Columbia Bank doe for Pompton Lakes um I attended a flood Advisory board meeting um and they will be having a rain Garden workshop on March 23rd at 2: p.m. um please save the date and I will let you
know the rest of the details after our next meeting um I attended a recreation meeting um the date for the Easter egg hunt has changed it is now being held at 2:00 p.m. on April
um April I think it's April 12th was it count 12th 12th yeah it's Saturday uh no it's from no and um let's see there are Bid bucks there's a big buck sale Saturday um the
15th from 1030 to 1:00 p.m. in the Pompton Lakes High School parking lot um get fit classes are at Lincoln school Monday and Wednesday 7:00 to 8:00 p.m. through March 6th drop in fee is $5 um the Pompton Lakes Riverdale little
League in-person signups are tomorrow February 13th from 6:00 to 9:00 um the Pompton Lakes Women's Club will be hosting the next Community dinner at the Pompton reform church on February 27th from 5: to 7: um uh at Lakeside Middle
School walking Club is every Tuesday and Thursday from 7:00 to 8:00 p.m. from now through May 4th and um I'm surprised you didn't mention it but the Pompton Leakes Riverdale first aid Squad and the wanu first aid Squad is holding a beef steak Tricky Tray on April 26th at 6:00 p.m.
at the wanu first aid Squad at 5 Melrose AB in wanu you can purchase tickets by scanning the QR code and filling out the form and you can pay by cash check demo or PayPal you can find the uh flyer with the QR code on the Pompton lak Riverdale
first a squad Facebook page um you're welcome and um I have two questions one for Michael and one for the mayor um do we know about the permit for the building
from the building department for the Civic Center yet has that moved and um I want to just ask you about the YMCA the Wayne how that's the YMCA will be on the next agenda correct Mike yes oh okay good well we'll have an agreement with
them and once the agreement is put in place then our residents can go and sign up and use it uh we will be picking up some of the cost for the signups that the res would have to pay so the town will be picking up that cost then they'll pay the rate going in and the building behind us we do have the uh
permits they don't have the permits yet they're adjusting the plans were a little off a little bit and so I want to just to do some final touches we don't have do we have them actually we might have just for clarification uh Meridia capid dagle did provide the final architectural uh permit Set uh we're waiting on the plumbing subcode okay uh
and then s poy can issue a building permit and then we can hold a pre-construction meeting with Meridia and get going yeah that's a big deal if we get that back did we vote on picking up the cost for the YMCA it it's going to be discussed in Clos
session at the next meeting we just said we're picking up the cost and we haven't discussed it yet or voted on it discussion we'll Happ the the agreement is not on yet the agreement will be on for at the next very clearly said we will be picking up the costs we
didn't even discuss it yet so just wanted to make that clear yep you can vote now if you'd like um and just to follow up with councilwoman kilberg said the uh the change of the date of the Easter HT on the calendar it says one thing and we're changing it to the 12th so we will have a lot of information out
there about the change the date I know a lot of people don't look until the day before Easter so that's a big deal we'll continue uh going forward with that uh councilwoman oh councilman Bennett thank you mayor um the hisor commission met on uh January 28th Mayor
Mike swaren a handful of members and uh chairperson was selected congratulations to Lord Jennings uh DPW we met with with the DPW uh one of the things we talked about was uh what to do on the fifth Wednesday of the week of the month
rather um we're dis discussing uh instead of not being any pickup to potentially being a just a rotating uh paper uh uh regular recycle and then just alternating back and forth so that's that's up for discussion still
uh if it if and when it does take place it won't be until the next calendar is created which would be June when the calendar comes out July right July July July minimum okay uh recycle coach uh glitch has been fixed uh superintendent
Daniel y uh worked diligently with the folks over there to make sure that they are um in sync with our calendar and we'll be working with them moving forward to make sure they stay in sync uh the finance committee met as Mayor Mike mentioned I believe um uh
councilman Kent me mentioned uh to review preliminary budget numbers and then there's more details to come at the March 12th meeting uh RDA met there was a reorg congratulations to Tom Quigley our new chairman and uh Abby Novak the vice
chair RDA uh voted to approve the resolution for 1125 Wan qab also known as the w Washington building also known as Jimmy The Shoe Doctor uh there is no pilot uh it's an existing site plan that's been back and forth for quite
some time before my time on RDA it's a good project because uh I'm I'm told second floor is not in good shape um no no height uh changes stays stays basically the same exactly the same just the interior will look will be
new and the first floor will be uh updated as um time permits and and as as uh current tenants either move out or move to New spaces Board of Ed I might steal some of councilman Cruz's Thunder here I I
started uh going to board of ed meetings this year um as a councilman and as as a parent uh there's a couple fundraisers for the Pompton Lakes education found uh Foundation coming up Monica's wine tasting and where they pair wine with some food I'm told very good fundraiser
they ited bourbon last year it's a uh 27th 6:30 9:30 and the other uh is a help run your school principal of your school for the day uh director of special services for the day and superintendent for the morning um that
information on that can be found on the their Facebook page pton Lakes Education Foundation uh Facebook page I want to thank the administrators for giving up all the part of their day to help uh raise fund for the kids Pompton Lakes High School is moving to a block schedule which means uh
students will um classes will be 53 minutes versus 40 minutes uh this is not something new of many other districts high school districts are doing this similar uh same type of schedule one of the outcomes is that um due to the
influence of artificial intelligence where kids basically type in a few prompts and they get a whole 10 page essay done um the homework as we know it knew it growing up will be done in the classroom this is one of the this is one of the the perks or the positives of of
a block schedule a longer um class schedule uh they mentioned um the goals of the Board of Education 2025 uh stem the STEM Academy as well as uh uh getting middle schoolers excited to to
look into uh learning about stem which brings me to last night's Board of Ed education um meeting where a girl scout um presented her uh her Gold Award idea or a project um where she wants to start
a uh robotics team at the high school which plays right into the board of education's goal so the the Board of Education overall M leag supported this project and uh I look forward to seeing this move forward um student council
gave a report about um uh the Ambassador Event that they where they visit I believe it was Waldwick and then Waldwick high school students will visit pomton lakes in the near future uh lastly for bard of Ed uh next meeting is March 4th where the teen SE team will be recognize for the um for
going through the classes that my report thank you councilman Cruz um just quickly before I begin I just um just a sincere thank you to uh council members and friends in the
public for reaching out after the passing of my mom I I truly appreciate that um that just occurred about two weeks ago so I just wanted to mention that before we get started um I did attend the board of adjustments meeting um there was another was a reorg meeting as well so I'm just going to go over the
board positions that were all approved uh Vice chair is Frank a bay secretary caralina fero burough attorney Andrew Brew Andrew Brewer board engineer car Bryant board planner kier's engineering uh open space committee rep is Frank a bate uh legal newspaper Suburban Tren
and the alternate newspapers held news uh there was a few applications that were discussed during the meeting so application boa 2407 they were requesting a variance I'm not sure if I should go to all the details but I I'll mention it anyway it's to move a pool and modify a deck um
approval was pending uh final approval from the construction official uh B2 24-11 this is another one seeking variance adding first floor bathroom and new deck this once again was uh final approval was dependent on the construction official
uh boa 25-01 adding roof to existing porch variant needed because of distance to the street once again construction official will help to provide final approval and bo8 24-8 this one is a funny one this one's
not funny but it's owner in violation obtain approval for construction of a shed in a front plane shed has already been constructed already so this needs approval from the zoning official obtain permits for the work already done so in short get your per permits cuz it's going to cost you a lot more money after
the fact all right for Board of Education uh councilman vett kind of covered everything I do want to mention we do have of the teener graduation it was six um high school students that graduated and went through the program Deborah Ross will be handing out certificates for that um I did want to
provide a referendum update so referendum about two years ago I think was to overhaul the security system a lot of things related to all the schools uh the vules for lenux Lakeside and the high school uh were initially all rejected because they came over uh over
budget the one company that they did want to move forward they had the lowest budget which was A+ Glass and Metal um they were the lowest negotiated price for the project however despite ample opportunity has not been taken to provide or follow the
necessary steps to follow with the project and did not execute the contract documents in order to proceed uh the Board of Ed went out to rebid again and this time came back with pro builders they were the second lowest negotiated price for the project so now that will move forward and that's across all the
schools will have bestes for that and I believe and probably the last item the board of V is looking to create a citizen Advisory Group and this will be a mix of administrative staff parents superintendent and Board of Ed members I think that's a fantastic idea um it
allow them to get kind of a different perspective from everybody involved in the community so I actually do look forward to that um when they do finalize that and that'll do it for my report so did they do any work yet on the referend nothing so they have just so they have done work so you will notice there are
new security cameras um that have been installed um but they did a lot of the more smaller items first within the classrooms the uh communication system in the school um the vest is a very much larger project unfortunately it is delayed a little bit um but I also did
want to mention one other thing and it I just had it and they just mentioned it before um cuz you brought it up referendum God filming it was I'm sorry it just it is well get it we come back but they are
making progress this in particular is slightly delayed because of the one company they were they did contract with then that follow through all the necessary paperwork okay so inhance they have to start all over by reiding and they went with someone else that's good uh counc been hit yes um attended a few meetings I was
at the uh Rec English I didn't really have to be there because uh uh councilwoman Lisa is the uh the aison um but it was an interesting meeting um mayor came in swore a couple people in
um I attended a zoom meeting uh for HS bille park building upgrade um I attended a um Zoom meeting today for the C the community energy plan and uh that was uh pretty interesting we're over
things that we can do in town as far as energy um February 1st I was attended in seminar orientation for new Municipal officials nice very interesting did you get lunch I got lunch I thought of you I
was eating um they talked about a lot of different things it was at the uh Park which was the Hilton but now it's the Park Hotel um they talked about um budgets bud process temporary budgets cap Bank police contracts interest
arbitration um in government ethics um there was a representative there at Clerk and she was talking about how to be nice to your Clerk and work with your Clerk and they had another burough administrator there and talked about
that him also how to work with your administrator so it was very interesting good I learned a lot and it was uh it was a good time just to reiterate with councilwoman Paul adari um I turned on channel 77 and yes there was a couple of
issues not blaming nobody but um if we could work on channel 77 um I was looking at beautiful pink flamingos for about 15 minutes so um if we can work on it you it's with
technology today we shouldn't have a problem and that's my report thank you I I guess we should pass all this information on to the board of EV because they would like to use our room for and and that was what I was missing from my report so you did get it um can
I just mention it quickly so I know this has been a hot topic for many years even when I was on the board of ed uh the board of V now is considering recording their meetings of course the the one big challenge is the space that they have is not conducive to really putting in video equipment and it's very expensive so
they had mentioned to Mayor Sarah possibly using council chambers um to record their meetings this is still in the early stages but I just want to put that out there that this is something now that they are considering uh possibly using this space to record the board of adors okay great thank you uh
attorney report any report uh nothing anything man okay Minister's report thank you mayor uh as some of the council members stated a finance committee was uh meeting was held last week uh the finance committee met and discussed uh our preliminary Municipal
budget uh Liz our B clerk uh sent out uh an invite for our special budget meeting on on Wednesday March 12th at 6:00 p.m. uh if you haven't gotten back to her yet please do so with your availability um we will have our new CFO Peter George
and our burrow auditor uh present as well uh for that presentation um and I'm working with the finance committee right now to schedule a capital projects meeting uh to discuss all of our department heads Capital project submission for this year um we
have a preconstruction meeting uh scheduled for February 27th uh for the do Highway improvements project uh that's the resurfacing of the full length of Dos Highway uh this project was funded in part by a DOT Municipal aid
grant um that must be completed this year to get our grant reimbursement um as we talked about at the last council meeting the burrow has met our affordable housing obligations deadline uh we did file the resolution with the state of New Jersey in in a timely fashion the next step is for us
to develop a formal plan that you the governing body will consider in the near future and as well uh our professionals and myself have been working on our unit monitoring and our trust fund monitoring reports that are due this Friday to the
state uh we have completed all of those uh in a timely fashion as well the sale of the Burrows radio station does remain under contract I should have an update soon um I was approached by Windsor School uh they would like to install a
rapid flashing Beacon sign at the intersection of Babcock Place uh where there's a crosswalk I've been told that they've had safety concerns in crossing the street going to the Windsor theater across the street um so the county
Engineers office did reach out to me they're willing to fund it for the school um with our assistance with the installation so I think it'll be a nice upgrade not only for the school but for the downtown community to have another flashing Beacon sign uh available um to
address the camera concerns it it's a little interesting so I come from a municipality that had a a working TV studio right and during the meeting we would have volunteers in the studio and they would be directing the cameras to the person who's talking very advanced
stuff uh hundreds of thousands of dollars of capital investments into this studio to to maintain it however I I do know of other companies that can do the filming remotely essentially they come in and install the camera and during our
meetings they're actually operating the camera I believe during the meeting or there's options to just replace the system to make it more efficient um but we can certainly look at that in the future and I'll have an update on that is that something that High School
students who were the people in your other municipality that were operating during the meeting we had a we had a formalized TV Committee of the Bor um and res right but you also need space for that I don't know that we have the space here for that type of of
arrangement um but there are alternatives that we can maybe just scale down like I said people operating it remotely there's companies out there that do that and I can distribute information I know of companies that do that and there are companies that have like video conferencing where the camera
automatically Zooms in the person speaking based on microphones right but of course with all this fancy cool stuff comes cost sure however I believe at some point our agreement with Alti is up and I believe
last time we were in negotiations with them they did fund a grant to us to perform upgrades I believe our equipment was in school at some point we were just talking about um so we can look at that as well I'm not aware of any grants for that type of upgrade so it likely would
have to be some sort of capital investment so when we when we right sign a contract with uh Optimum or cable vision they give us a one-time lump fun sum of money to to use last time we moved the uh equipment this was 10 years ago from the school where we have
everything in here now and that was a big cost that was 15,000 so we should be getting some more money from them and I was talking Michael and I were just talking about it today that maybe we can use those funds to upgrade what we got going on in here well we got to wait till that offer happens and other one that's going to happen Okay than you just the last item is uh I will not be
at the next council meeting uh my wife and I should be in labor and delivery at that time uh so uh I'll have everything prepared uh for the meeting and you know Liz can handle any questions in my absence so thank you any questions for big baby mon nope okay well you're back
online with the uh park with the if you want to start go in a workshop and thank you mayor we did the banner so we don't have to do that uh we'll do the hershfield phase too thank you mayor uh so as the governing body may know uh we're working on several improvements to herfield park which include the bath
house which was discussed uh redoing the trails and the walking paths within the park and also replacing the playground which is 20 years old at this point uh so given our permit issues with the D for the bath house that was ideally the
phase one project that we were looking at uh the open space committee uh has you know we worked with the open space committee to to essentially put the playground first uh so we're looking to replace the playground first the bath house would be second and the trails
would come in third after the county pic replaces the pedestrian bridge that is set to be replaced this year sometime I don't have a date on that yet uh so we're here tonight because I have a proposal from the play for the playground uh from MRC Recreation out of
Spring Lake New Jersey um we're looking to replace the entire playground and to also add an additional uh smaller section for those that are disabled uh inclusionary type type space
um so the proposal that you have is for $38,000 for the playground uh that is the going rate for the type of playground that we're looking for um I have worked with the vendor to significantly scale back the cost uh they're giving us discounts they had
several pieces of equipment that I didn't feel that was necessary um so we've really scaled it down about 70,000 off the price so the I'm sorry so the 308 is the scale down version yes oh it was higher than that right it's two it's
two right it's a whole big section and all the new equipment in the smaller section right so so then in your packet there's a there there's a second proposal for the smaller section which is in the middle of the par uh by all of the picnic tables where the old tunnel was if you remember where the
tunnel was there was that Tunnel right so we have a rendering in your packet uh some climbing pieces some pieces for those in wheelchairs uh that is $62,000 um and we are looking to upgrade some of our picnic tables uh in your
packets you should see an email from the DPW there are 29 picnic tables down at herfield Park I think there was that many uh we couldn't afford to replace everything right right now so the recommendation between the recreation director uh the superintendent of Public
Works and I is to replace 15 and then we're going to keep the remainder that are in good condition for now um but at least we'll have 15 uh new picnic tables and I would refer you to your packet I did include several options for the
picnic tables uh there is an option that you would see at any other Park uh that isn't necessarily here to the ground I know Council woman Kent have concerns with blood waters uh we did identify a table that can be uh secured via
concrete footings uh that our Engineers is comfortable with it's not necessarily a major footing it's just to secure it uh so the proposal for the benches was originally for the original uh design uh excuse me and uh so happens
that for the design that you can secure it was much cheaper uh actually which is so we had a combination if I remember correctly of some movable and some permanent right so they'll all be secured come a flood they will not be going anywhere uh so that proposal was
$226,000 it was originally 35 so we did reduce that we do have two grants from pic County we have a grant for $15,800 and another $100,000 Grant uh so $25,800 in Grants and the open space committee
did commit 125,000 to the project uh that leaves a net cost to us the the burrow of pton Lake 65,000 just for the playground right so it's it's mostly a fully funded project the only discussion point for tonight I
guess is the equipment has a 12we lead time I did talk to the vender uh after talking with council president PAAD Dori he did confirm the lead time 10 to 12 weeks uh my only concern is summer camp uh so if the governing body was to move
forward with this proposal we would have to secure additional funding for the 65,000 net cost uh which would not happen until our budget is adopted uh so it would have to delay The Ordering of the equipment so my recommendation is at the next council
meeting we adopt we uh adopt rather award the contracts for the main area and for for the benches and P for the picnic tables so we can get that order in we can get it here before summer camp get it installed and then given the lack
of funding the additional play area would have to wait until after summer camp unfortunately or we wait do the capital ordinance all at once but we're going to have to wait until at least April to award the contract and at that point the whole project would be
deferred until after summer camp um so again my recommendation is to move ahead with the proposal for the main area get that in and then after summer camp we can come in and finish the M the secondary area and the uh picnic table
so the only thing that would change if for some reason it this didn't work we would have to postpone doing it because Summer Camp would come first right so we're going to you know we're not going to change summer camp because this got messed up somehow so we're taking the chance that what he they're telling us is true somehow it isn't then we're just
and I did hear from the recreation director that the summer camp obviously does use the playground uh so we wouldn't want that to be you know missing for that so my experience with MRC and just doing these projects and parks in general is that an anticipated
delay can be a longer delay and we've seen that happen a couple times so that's an unforeseen it's anticipated is there any way to shift an additional 65 out of open space and then use Capital funds to offset 65 on a on the next open Space Project so we can fully fund it
now you may run into our ordinance situation and that 50% of the project has to be funded by by non-open space funds uh I'd have to run a quick analysis on so 125 still looking at less
than what the grants are adding sorry adding 65 to the 125 still keeps you below the whatever the grant award has already been yeah we should be okay uh so would that be I I think I was going to recommend that and I'm glad you mentioned that because we have the money
money in the account and if there's an issue if you had ear marked 65 in capital for a project and open space runs into a problem we know going down the road the next project we can rely on the 65 from Capital that we're not using for this yes right the problem we're running into is our Capital Improvement
fund is dedicated really for our annual Capital plan and we do have other major priorities that we need to fund in the budget um so again if if we wanted to do everything and not have to uh include
more open space funding we have to wait until the budget's adopted that's why so let's include more open space money open space money when is the uh I think there's 125 coming in this month has it been replenished yet yes so up to after have over 600,000 no it's in April
though right so to address Us February I'm sorry there's actually two ways that you can do it our our CFO usually waits till our annual financial statement is finished from our B Auditors and then essentially uh earmarks the money into
our system or uh she could encumber monthly as we collect taxes which could help us kind of streamline our projects better so I can talk with our new CFO about that um but to to your point we can prepare resolution at the next
council meeting memorializing the open space funds I'd like to see it done in full we we make a big deal out of finishing and celebrating the completion of these parks and if they have it and we can do it let's absolutely let's do it AB so that would have to be uh brought to the council as a vote to spend more money out of the open space
fund corre absolutely right so this governing body never memorialized the 125,000 I was anticipating on it happen happening right before the contract award resolution at the same meeting so now we memorialize 190 right right is
everybody okay with that idea yes yes okay let's do that y okay last point I had was I included color combinations uh and Designs uh that's the design and color combinations that the open space committee picked uh if you have any concerns you can come to me
separately uh but you have color copies and let me know if you have any questions than what we shared the same thing same thing Michael could I have a copy a hard copy for tomorrow night's meeting yes okay I'll get it before we leave what's the animal this time I think it's a turtle it's a turtle
we're going to do another U project with the schools and have this one named as well yeah that was a fun project and just so the rest of you know in keeping with what we've established at the previous Park improvements there are multiple levels of ADA um and inclusive
accessibility pieces in there including the enclosed piece for autism and uh wheelchair accessible pieces so we've really done a good job at keeping up with making sure that all of our play spaces are are inclusive for All Families which
I identify the uh tables that we're keeping yet not yet all right so those some of those are the the Old Stone tables right right right so and then we have some heavyduty plastic tables are we reusing those or what are we doing with those
from my understanding the the heavy concrete tables there's maybe a few of them those are used for games or something but we're going to keep them in use or take them out we would keep those we're looking to replace so that number you gave me of 15 does that include those or doesn't include those
it shouldn't include them it should not right we have 29 total including the concrete ones we're replacing 15 of and then we'll have a couple more of these other benches that are still there so we'll get maybe 20 benches when we're all still right okay okay any other questions about that nope
okays motion open meeting for public comments Council V council president Paul Dory all in favor against anyone from public like to address Le above not a care Clos whichever just quickly again Joe kleinot
2301 Willow still president of P Lakes for Del Little League I'd like to retire one of these days so if you can but I do appreciate everybody uh approving the monies for this project it's huge for all our young players especially the te-
Ballers those are the ones that feed the high school feed everybody so uh without this project we might be some further you know baseball softball player so I do thank you for that no questions but thank you very much thank you anyone else s hand go
[Music] ahead thank you once again Steve melen from Green B R Smith and Davis I'm here as the attorney representing 61q urban renewal uh entity LLC again apologize for the appearance I didn't expect to speak tonight thought I was going to be quiet last night in the back but I want
to start off by thanking the council for moving the two ordinances that are relation to our project which as we talked last time I believe is going to be a great uh achievement for the downtown Redevelopment area and really beautifying area that has been so neglected for so long now with respect to the pilot I'm very happy to hear that
Brian Morris from Phoenix is going to come here in a couple of weeks and and give his opinion to you um I want to give a couple of comments but I am certainly not asking you to believe me right um Mr Morris is going to back up what I'm saying because I'm going to tell you what the conversations we had
with him I also want to share a couple things about pilots in general because maybe over the next two weeks he'll Inspire some things that you want to ask Mr Morris at that public hearing um I know it can be frustrating to have to introduce and vote on something that you don't have the full picture on
especially something so complex as Pilots I talk about Pilots almost every night I've heard rumors that some people like to watch TV or Sports at night but this is what I do um because I'm a junkie about it and I really do enjoy you know helping projects uh get off the ground the reason Pilots are given is
very simple without them project doesn't happen and you as a governing body have made a decision all along the way whether it was at the time to designate the property as a Redevelopment area adopt the plan and then eventually to adopt the the pilot you've expressed your interest in seeing that project go
through to make improvements to that area this project is no different when we made the application we supported it by financial analysis and pro fora that demonstrated what our costs were going to be at conservative level what our assumed revenues were going to be and based on those metrics factored in that
a 30-year pilot at 10% across the board was justified now the pilot you see in front of you you may I don't know what you have in front of you you may see our application with that but the actual Financial agreement does not have those terms and the reason for that is because over the course of time since our
application Phoenix advisers Mr Kelli and Mr Dominic and I have negotiated what we believe is the best of both worlds the most that we can do and still allow the project to be feasible well giving the greatest benefit to the municipality now under the terms that
are being proposed this project were to be built without a pilot which is fantasy land because it wouldn't but let's say it could it will Ur more than $1.3 million more in Revenue to the municipality than under conventional taxes in total the true comparison
should be a project versus no project because without the pilot there is no project and that comparison shows a yield of $2.4 million to the municipality over no project and that doesn't even count the benefits of providing the affordable housing units and beautifying that that area of
downtown uh now in terms of what the deal was as I said it originally was 10% for the full 30 years what eventually happened um and this goes to council president your question regarding negotiating a shorter term there is a reason why in
this town and almost in old towns the pilots are of 30 years of length but it's not uniform that the 10% or 12% or 15% is uniform because that is negotiated but there's a reason why they're mostly 30 years and that is because under the statute at a certain
point of time in fact in four different years under the 30-year pilot there is a requirement that there is an alternative minimum to the annual service charge based on the percentage of what taxes would have been otherwise it's called a step up point being that at the end of
the term of that tax exemption the uh redeveloper or the project itself has elevated itself to as close to what the taxes will be in year 31 as uh possible when you reduce the 30-year threshold
down to 20 years 15 years whatever you are now squeezing those statutorily mandated alternatives to a shorter period of time and it cuts into the most important period of time for stabilization of the project which is years 1 through 20 those are the most
important years if the statute were written to allow us to have a 20-year pilot without those Alternatives then I think you would see a lot more 20year Pilots but the fact is that the 30 years is needed not just for the redeveloper but also for the lenders who are lending on this project and want to see the
security of that tax exemption and have the assurances that at least for a certain period of time before those alternative minimums kick in we know that for that period of time our total out Levy to the municipality is going to be whatever percentages we negotiate of
our actual revenues so the more money we make the more money you make the less money we make the less money uh you make but we do have those alternative minimums so reducing it down from 30 years to 20 years or 15 years whatever will greatly crunch the the most
important period of time to stabilize the project and and Mr Morris will tell you in two weeks that that 20 years why that's so important when he calculated the irr just as we did he didn't do it on the full 30 years basis he did it on 20 years it's called a 20-year uh hold
and dump basically we calculate the irr at a sit period of time where we assume Phoenix advisor assumes by that point the developer will have sold to somebody else and that is the point in time where you can best calculate what the returns on the project will be because you can
calculate what the redeveloper put into the project and then what he got out of it when he sold the project so when by calculating at 20 years it's a reflection that that is the most important period of time yes we want the last 10 years but primarily because we need to extend out the stabilization
period from those statut minimums now our application proposed that that stabilization begin in year 16 with a negotiation with Phoenix advisers that now begins in year six and ramps up our second period we negotiated we proposed year 26 was negotiated to
year 16 our third period we negotiated starting year 28 it's now year 21 so we negotiated a deal and you will hear from Mr Morris that is very beneficial to the municipality um to suggest and this is natural CU I would do the same that
maybe we can do better without understanding the true metrics is is viewing it in the back view every pilot is different based on his projected you know revenues and construction and often I have to actually explain that to my client not this particular client but clients in general who say well Joe blow
down the street got it 10% for 30 years I want it yeah but his project costs a lot more and it's going to make a lot less money every project is viewed independently uh and you have to view it that way and what I'm suggesting to you now from the redevelopers point of you is we cannot do better than what is is
on the table now so I'm happy to answer any questions Happ to meet with any of you but I just wanted to get that yeah I I'll answer at the end and then somebody wants to talk to you they can answer than thank you thank you anyone else from the public like to address seeing no one have a motion to close the public session motion council
president Paul Dory councilman who was that K Cruz Cruz all in favor uh Joe thank you for the comments uh I know we are meeting you guys are meeting tomorrow to kind of bring even down the cost a little bit more on that by telling us what we think we need and what we don't need and what back stops
would work better and and and that and that should reduce that number even a little bit better so that's good to hear Steve thank you for that information uh we'll have our our our experts here probably saying pretty much the same thing uh but when they come here they'll you know we'll ask those questions and we're moving it forward and the next
step is the next step that's what we have to do uh okay uh what do I got appr the floor anybody appr to the floor yes yeah I just two things I want to just mention that I want to thank the DPW and I want to thank Liz and Michael you'll
see as you exit the foyer is being uh addressed we have brand new paint we have new ceiling tiles and we are getting the uh flooring installed probably in the next few weeks so that's all being done and then we'll be uh looking at the display cabinet issues
and I hopefully we'll be sitting down with the um pce that right yes and and well we're going to talk about that but I need to have a a price before they can say yeah or n so we're looking at working with them as well and I I think that's going to work out very nicely and I just
wanted to mention to council woman pader the Silk City movie that was made by Paul bassante and was aired had a a huge section in it on the ambulance Squad and um it was beautifully done um very interesting and I'm hoping that can get
out to the schools very soon so and that was my that's my comment I listening to the Phoenix group speak when they were here in last July um and the things that he told us and the things that you're saying tonight that's
really what we're looking for we're when when they came and spoke to us they told us that we could have projects that are 10 years 15 years 20 years so when we're we're given an ordinance and then we're not given the information you just gave us tonight we have to make a decision on
something we don't know about and that for me is hard to do I want to understand everything so I thank you for explaining that thank you any else yeah I'd like to agree with her um I'm just I feel the same way I don't know that much
at all about pilot and um just want to better explanation and on that explanation I would need time to think about it as opposed to getting that explanation and then voting right away so that's all we were really asking for
okay um one other concern I had was I was contacted by residents could we have the building department look at the construction here we have workers doing siding four stor talking about the big
building yeah the midan building okay uh doing work on the siding four stories up on a swinging scaffold with an open sidewalk underneath which high school kids are walking by pedestrians are walking underneath cars are parked under underneath I mean
can we please have I'll have them look but as you know that that's an oan requirement and they haven't had any issues with as you know Mr Mayor I had to talk to the building inspector one time and was told that it's a county Ro so then I called the county and the
county said it's a town project then I called OSHA okay and OSHA I Got No Satisfaction from OSHA either so I just want somebody to look at it make sure it's saf I think mik if the building department can actually check that I
don't know if they can or can um and if they can hav't check it uh if they can uh but I know OSHA is there on the site because the building one of the buildings close to it had got defined from OSHA so OSHA is definitely there okay I mean we're construction 45 years
I dropped plenty of tools it happens okay so I'm just looking for the safety of the resident got okay motion to adjourn motion uh Council venon council president Paul Dory all favor I thank you everyone