Sir, >> but anyway, so >> the following is the agenda for the regular burough council meeting of the Burlington Lakes mayor and council on municipal corporation in the county of PA. The meeting will begin at 700 p.m. on June 10th, 2026 in municipal building 25
Lexington Avenue, Compton Lane, consistent with the open public meeting. The meeting will be open for public comments and shall be in accordance with the terms and conditions of thorough municipal code and >> please stand for a flag to the flag of the United States of
United States and to the republic for which it stands one nation and justice for all. >> Please bless this council as they deliberate on the best of pompamics. >> In accordance with the New Jersey open public meeting act. Adequate notice of
this meeting has been provided. The time, date, location, purpose of this meeting and agenda was posted on the municipal building bulletin boards, transmitted to individuals, requested notice, and published electronically on the official website of the Burough of Palm Lakes. Roll call, please.
>> Mayor Sarah >> here. >> Council President Ken >> here. Councilman Bay >> here. >> Councilman Cruz >> excused. >> Councilman Hint. Uh, council is here.
It's a little lonely on this end, but >> councilman sent >> here. Councilman Ben >> here. >> With us this evening is our burough attorney Marko, our bur administrator, Michael, and our chief Rodriguez. >> Okay. Thank you. I have no presentation.
So, can I have a motion to open the meeting for public comments? >> Motion. Councilman Hinton, Councilman uh second. >> Uh, was it Dennon? All in favor? I against. Anyone from the public like to address, please step up. >> Hi, Kathy Short Pine Street. Um, I'm
back here about the garbage. Um, anyway, I I I brought some pictures. Um, and as you can see, the garbage is um I mean, it's gotten 100% better since Michael's come on board, but um, it is starting to creep back up again. And I really think
a lot of it has to do with the garbage cans that we have because I feel like it almost promotes dumping because they can get the the garbage right in the top of it. Um I did the last two pages there's our garbage cans and then garbage cans in Dville. And I think the picture
speaks for itself. I mean, and as a town, I think we're kind of being not really we're not doing the right thing by letting all the recycling go in with the garbage because I know as a uh, you know, living in a house, if I put half
bottles in my garbage bag and garbage the other half, they're not taking it because there's too much recycling in it. So, I think we're letting the recycling get in with the garbage. And I don't think that's right. Um, also again, I think that the town needs to be, you know, clean. The sidewalks are
dirty. We have graffiti. We're starting to get graffiti. There's a picture of graffiti on the stop sign coming out of the one pond hole, which should be, you know, taken care of. Um, and again, four years ago, I brought up maybe hiring a part-time retiree to work a couple days
a week. Um, you know, no benefits, just a nice hourly rate to clean the curb line. The curb lines are constantly have bottles in it. There's little liquor bottles. There's I've seen diapers in the in the, you know, in the in the curb line. I mean, it's it needs to be
cleaned up. Um, and the other thing, uh, Katie Cole Park, um, I know Maria, uh, Kent had had it on a nice schedule and it was looking good, but now it's it seems to be, you know, getting a little neglected. But I do have to say kudos to
whoever. There was a big tree that had fallen and the tree is gone. So, whoever, you know, thank you Randy for, you know, um, making sure that the deer, you know, you you you know, >> I was there today. >> Yes, it looks it looks good. It really does. The last thing I just have a
question. We have a property maintenance inspector who lives in Brick Township. Now, that's about an hour and a half away. My I know that cuz my daughter lives in Brick. Um, and and I know he relies on people, you know, reporting incidents, but I'm just trying to I
mean, wouldn't it be better to have someone that lived in town or closer? I mean, the the the two or two, threeh hour commute that he's doing, he could use that time to ride around and and look for violations rather than to rely on someone. I just don't think a
property manager man maintenance inspector should live in brick, but that's just my opinion. Um anyway, yeah, it's just uh I think the pictures speak for themselves. I really think we should invest in new garbage cans. There's only 10. I counted them. There's only 10 through the whole town. I don't know how
much that would cost, but I can't see it costing that much. But the garbage cans in Denver are really nice. They have a spot for trash, a small spot for, you know, recycling, and no one can stick their bags garbage on it. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Anyone else from public? Hello, Lauren Benon for Sunset Road. Um, really nice to see the civic center opening. That's great. I'm so glad it's finished. Um, Girl Scouts will be happy to know it's finished, too, because I'm sure some some troops could use meeting
space. Uh, but what I wanted to flag, and I wanted to say this in in the the the public meeting, I'm so happy that you used redevelopment as a tool to get that done. this is how it should be. Um, I've been
working with redevelopment as the bulk of my professional work for the second half of my career, so like the last 13 years. And this this is how everyone is doing it. This is what works. It's good for the developer because when they do
these givebacks, when they invest in the community, they're bettering the community, which leads to better rents and a more desirable, easier to rent out the building. helps their performer, helps their bottom line, makes it more desirable, but it's it's the way that redevelopment becomes a tool not just to
stabilize taxes, but also very much is a tool to get improvements for the community and improve the quality of life. It it's a standard issue in almost every redevelopment plan that I work with. the developers have to do
something. Whether it's something like this, fixing up a civic center, fixing up uh you know the corner for a public park, giving back a little bit for better sidewalk widths, whether there's requirements for you know green roofs,
for reducing heat impacts from imperous surface. All of these little things are ways that we leverage the redevelopment downtown to get a better community for our residents. So, I'm really happy to see that uh we're embracing that.
Hopefully, having this first piece finished with something that's so visible, so useful to the community helps get people a little more comfortable with it and see that this really is a benefit. So, really glad to see that. I really wish the walkable
downtown um Wanukq walkable a uh one walkable wan a my apologies it's been a long day. Uh I really wish that that had been um not from 9 to 12 on a Tuesday. Would have been awesome if it had even
just been from like 4 to 6 to let people who are working have a little better chance of being there. I had every intention of being there, but I could not take the three hours out of the office for it um this Tuesday. It just didn't work out.
And I'm sure there's a lot of people who would love to have been there. I hope that some of the summary of discussion points of something from that is is shared around. It would be awesome to see that pop up on our our burough social media, some kind of summary of
it. I don't know if any of the um committees or boards were particularly involved or would have a report of that at their meetings. Don't really know the RDA meetings the same night as the high school graduation this year. So, if they're going to talk about it then, I'm
certainly not going to know. Um, but it would be great to allow um for a little bit more uh inclusion of, you know, people who have regular jobs in some of that conversation, too, cuz I I would
love to see what we're doing with that. It's it's a big part of making redevelopment work, making our community more desirable. So, thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else would the public like to address? Seeing no one, can I have a motion to
close the public session? >> Motion. >> Councilman Hint. >> Second. >> Councilman Santis. All in favor? >> I. >> Against. >> Kathy. Um, thank you for giving us the pictures. I'm going to start backwards. Um, where an employee lives has no bearing on what they do here. They have a certain amount of hours they have to be here to work. We have many employees
that do not live in town. They could live in Pennsylvania. As long as they're here working their hours and doing what they're supposed to do, that's what we go by. It's not that there's extra hours he would have. He has a certain amount of hours that he does his job in. It's It's not like he if he was here, he would have an extra two hours to do
more. We have He's set with his time and and as you've mentioned, he's responsive to what we have to do. He's none of our inspectors are full-time. None of them are out looking for what has to be worked. If someone comes and says the grass is too high, there's garbage in the street, then they're going to react to that. So, that's about that. Um,
let's talk about the garbage and the graffiti. The the chief has been made aware of the graffiti by Councilman Venon. Uh, and they're working on that. Unfortunately, we have some cameras that we're trying to I'm going to let you speak about that a little bit. Um, but you know, it we have to stay on top of that. I agree 100% that that's something
we want to stay on top of. Uh, let's talk the garbage itself. As as you're aware, and I usually don't post on social media, but I did because that was a separate situation where an individual business was not paying their carting carting bill of garbage and that's why
the garbage belt bu built up. Um, and we called the the cape the Carter of the garbage and he said they hadn't paid their bill in six months. I'm not coming to pick it up. So, we instructed the town to go in and clean it up. It's on private property, which makes a big difference there because we have to go on private property to do that. And
we're still determining what we're going to do with the dumpster. So, there is no illegal dumping. Um, that was a problem with an individual business. The garbage cans that you showed, they are good garbage cans. I've looked at them. Um, we've looked at them in the past. The problem with those cans though is you can pile garbage on top of the can and
that's we had those cans initially and people were putting full sewing machines and things right on top of the can. I did have a conversation with the bid director recently. He's making us aware of some compacting cans that have a compactor built in that run by solar
power. So once it reaches a certain level, it compacts the garbage and then it reaches another level and identifies a message to whoever we identify to come and empty that can. We're going to look at some of those cans because like you mentioned, there's not a lot of garbage cans. I think the the thing the public
has to understand the most though and it's unfortunate. But when you have a public garbage can, we cannot restrict anyone from putting garbage in it. You could come from another town and dump your garbage in that can and that's perfectly legal because it's a public can. And that is what's happening. We
have people on camera getting out of their car with household garbage and dumping it in their cans. And that's how they get filled up so quickly. Same with the businesses. Same with the apartments upstairs. We're hoping the cans are used by the kids traveling to lunch and all those other things, but it's not. It's
actually people coming in and dumping garbage and it's a problem and and you know, we're trying to address that, but it's a very difficult thing to address. Going back to what you mentioned about hiring someone to do the streets, the problem with that is we have representatives of the union of the DPW
that wouldn't okay that because it's their job to to do that. So, we can't just hire a part-time person to do something within that realm. Saying that though, the bid because they're separate independent of us, does hire a landscaper that's supposed to come once a week and clean just those things you
mentioned, the streets, blow the sidewalks, all those things. I will speak to them again to make sure they're coming and doing what they're supposed to do. And I'm going to let Michael and the chief jump in at the end. Uh, at the end of the day though, you know, the pictures you're showing here, it's people just dumping garbage. It's
just unfortunate that they they planned I I personally have seen people drop wood, get out of the car, take it out of the trunk, and pile it right on top of the can and drive away. And I can't even call the police on that because it's a public can. They're allowed to do that. Um uh I'm just going through some of these cans. Uh we but I will mention it
to um the bid about changing the cans. Uh also, I mean, it's something we have to look into. And I'm going to let the chief just talk about the graffiti a little bit. >> Yeah. So um we we have definitely noticed the increase of graffiti on our own. Also we have reports from
councilman Benham. Um we are definitely looking looking into it seriously looking into it. Um and that's really all it's you know open investigation. So that's all I can really say on that right now. But we're definitely looking into it. We're taking taking it
seriously. Uh I I agree with the councilman's sentiments as you know we want to we want to we we take these type of things seriously. We don't want it to let it continue. And I would just uh uh for the
residents of town, if they do see uh a person uh putting graffiti up anywhere to, you know, I would uh definitely implore them to please contact the police department and report that so that we can take immediate action uh on
this issue. I'm ask Mike, do you have anything to say about the garbage cans in general? I mean, >> no, you pretty much covered it. Thank you. Thank Thank you. Um Lauren, thank you for those compliments about the redevelopment. That is one of the goals. And let's remember this was the first project we did. So we probably went a
little light on what we're asking from them, right? If this was the fifth project, who knows what we could have been getting out of them. But we were new to the whole ball game. We didn't know if they were going to actually build the project. You know, they were humming and honing about what they were want to do. And I got to give credit to the redevelopment agency and the planning board because the fix of the
civic center wasn't supposed to be as nice as it came out. It was supposed to be just some windows, new doors, and some new siding. But with a little pushing from our administrator and all these other groups that we talked to, we got them to do with the whole building, which is a big improvement to the town. And, you know, we're already looking at
groups calling us now saying, "Hey, can I use that building for this or can I use that building for that?" So, it's a big improvement for everything we've done moving forward. Uh, you know, as we move forward with this and we get other projects, we're going to ask for more. You're right. We are definitely going to ask. It is part of the plan of redevelopment. That is the trade-off.
When you do redevelopment, you're giving back to this community somehow. So, that will happen. Uh uh your second comment about the the meeting. Unfortunately, it's the county. The county works between 9 and 4:30. So, they're having every meeting they have between 9:00 and 4:30. They're not going to set a meeting
up when they're not they have to come after their hour. So, it's unfortunate. I know a lot of people have reached out to me and said, "I would like to be part of that conversation." Um, but at the end of the day, this is the beginning of many meetings that will happen with this. This this is just the early stages
of of the ideas. And I think Mike, we will be putting up something on it or not? >> Yeah, if I may, uh, we're going to post the report on social media and part of the program is also a demonstration project. Um, so we're looking at having a demonstration
uh probably with some sort of park lit, which you see in communities like Ridgewood or Westwood, uh, where you have outdoor dining in the street. Um, whether it's outdoor dining or storm water infrastructure in the street, you're going to see some sort of demonstration that is going to be funded
by Ruckers and the NJTPA for this project. So, we're looking to do that uh, at some point over the summer. >> And that's the county. That's with the county, right? The county. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Uh motion to approve the following minutes. Regular meeting minutes May 27th, 2026.
Close session meeting minutes May 27th, 2026. >> Motion. >> Councilman Bay. Councilman Santers. All in favor? >> Against. >> Um authorizing of bills and wires as listed below. Can I have a motion? Motion. Councilman Bennett.
>> Councilman Hing. All in favor? >> I consent agenda. Anybody need anything removed? >> 248. >> 248. >> Okay. Anybody else?
>> Okay. It's just 248. >> Where is the mayor of Burough Council? The burough council lady to do it consent agenda consisting of various proposed resolutions. Whereas the mayor of the council of Burton Lakes does desire to remove resolutions for
individual action from that agenda nowhere. Therefore, be it resolved that the following resolutions on the consent agenda are hereby approved. Resolution 26247 through 26 265. We're going to move 26248.
>> Can I have a motion? >> Motion. >> Councilman Hinton. Second. Councilman Bennon. All in favor? >> I against. >> Okay. 26 248 >> authorizing a nonviolent referendum regarding health benefit contribution
levels for the employees of the bureau of health. >> Question um question is I'm just thinking that it really wasn't necessary. I mean this is a situation that we all understand that health benefits have increased and through the
years been a mayor and a councilman a long time. Councilman Bennon and Councilwoman Kent have been here a long time. Um there have been no increases really to the employees to pay their health benefits and uh it's our job as
elected officials to deal with this situation. Um I just really don't see the necessity of putting it on the ballot uh asking the voters what their opinion is. I mean, they elected us to make our
opinions known and to deal with these issues why we really need to ask the voters their opinion. Um, I never really saw the point of this >> and and I can understand what you're saying there, but I think the reason we're putting it on is because we want to put the state and the county on
notice that the benefits are out of control. And for the most part, you're in the know. You understand what's going on. For the most part, residents don't understand the policy on how that works. They don't understand that when we make an increase or a decrease in that, it's affecting their tax dollar at the end of the day. So, we want the residents just
to understand because I agree with you, the number that we picked 1.5, that that's a non-negotiable price that we're going to be higher than that from both sides. That's I think it's just just more to identify the fact that there's an issue statewide, countywide with health care benefits and just to be aware some of your increases are coming
from that increase from the state county. And I'm gonna let Mike jump in if you want to add anything. Um my only comment would be uh that if there's further discussion, it would be more appropriate in closed session. And uh as a reminder, there was a prior
discussion on the matter and a direction was given to prepare this. >> Um so if there are further questions or concerns, I would recommend that it be discussed in close session. >> No, I'm going to call for a vote. >> I would defer to Mark. That >> that that would be appropriate. All
right. I agree. >> So I'm going to do a roll call vote. May. >> Yes. >> I I just want to remind council in cases that that is a nonbinding referendum and it's it's basically a question to the
residents. That's it. It's nonbinding. >> In what respect? I mean, >> it just means there's there's no right or wrong or yes or no on it. They're just going to say just we're informing them that this is what's going on. >> But >> yeah, >> roll up, please.
>> Thank you. >> Uh I don't know that there was a motion in a second. >> No, I don't think there was. I think you have to >> Oh, I'm sorry. Uh can I have a motion on ordinance 26-248? I'll make a motion. >> Second. Councilman Bennett, Councilman B. Uh roll call, please.
>> Councilman Hick. >> Oh, I'm first. Um, I just don't feel right about it. So, I'm going to vote no. >> Council President Kenn. >> Yes. >> Councilman S. >> Yes.
>> Councilman Bett. >> Yes. >> Councilman B. >> Yes. >> Okay. Ordinances. Ordinance 2621, an ordinance amending chapter 5 licenses permits regulations. Section 20, solicitors and counselors.
Subsection 5, time of operation in section 21, soliciting charitable subsection 4, time of operation of the municipal code and the brows policy. >> Motion approve ordinance 26-21 for introduction. >> Motion. >> Councilman Hen.
Councilman Santers, I'm going to just have the attorney just quickly say what we're thinking about doing there. >> Sure, Mayor. Uh, so this, uh, ordinance, uh, is just an adjustment of time with respect to door-to-door canvasing. Uh, we reduce the time, uh, to 7:00 and 7:00
at this point uh, places us right in the middle of uh, some of our neighbors. Uh, we have a neighbor at 6:00, we have other neighbors at 8:00. Uh and that was the uh ultimate uh decision that the governing body uh opted to uh to change it to. Uh and this ordinance obviously
uh balances uh first amendment rights of individuals wishing to go for uh doortodoor uh with uh the desires of uh our residents uh for privacy. >> Okay. Roll call, please.
>> Councilman Hinton. >> Yes. Council President Kenz, >> yes. >> Councilman Sant, >> yes. >> Councilman Bennon, >> yes. >> Councilman B. >> Yes. 2618
bond loans appropriate 2,438,726 and authorizing the issuance of 1,667,300 bonds or notes of the bureau for various improvements of purposes authorities to be undertaken by the burrow of consulates in the county of the state of New Jersey.
>> Motion to open the meeting for public comments on ordinance 26-18. >> Motion >> Councilman Santers. Councilman Hinton. All in favor? >> I against. Anyone like to address just this ordinance? >> Seeing no one. Motion to close the public session on 2618. Councilman
Vennon. >> Second. >> Councilman Santers. All in favor? >> Against. >> Motion to approve ordinance 26-18 for final adoption. >> Motion. >> Councilman Bennon. Councilman Hinton. Roll call, please.
>> Councilman Hinton. >> Yes. Council President K. >> Yes. >> Councilman Sanders. >> Yes. >> Councilman Bon. >> Yes. >> Councilman Bay. >> Yes. >> 20. An ordinance amending chapter 7 traffic section 21 parking of both
trails and 12 on court of the revised general ordinances of the burrow of Thompson l. >> Motion to open the meeting for public comments on ordinance 26-20. >> Motion. Councilman Hinton. >> Who's that? >> Councilman Beg. All in favor? >> I against. Anyone like to address just
this? >> Seeing no one. Motion to close the meeting for public comments on ordinance 26-20. >> Motion. >> Second. Councilman Bennett. All in favor? >> I. >> Motion to approve ordinance 26-20 for final adoption. >> Motion. >> Second.
>> U. Who was the motion? >> Councilman Bennett and Councilman Hinton. Uh, roll call, please. Councilman H. >> Yes. >> Council President K. >> Yes. >> Council Samson. >> Yes.
>> Councilman Bennett. >> Yes. >> Council B. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Under my report. Uh myself and a bunch of council people here attended the plea plea tree planting for Carl Padulla. Uh welldeserved uh honor for him. He was
very involved in this community in town for many many years. Um, you know, I called him a friend even though he ran against me twice for mayor. Uh, and uh, you know, he did a lot for this community. So, it was a well-deserved honor by the board of ed. He was involved with the board of ed for a very
long time. Um, I had a meeting with uh, Mike and uh, Cong uh, Senator Pacio once again to talk about our funding for the DPW garage. Uh, we're making some progress. Hopefully we can have more information to talk about that soon. I mean the dates are coming up soon so we should know more.
Um we also had a meeting with the D to talk about stream permits. Um it was a good conversation. We had the permitting uh vice chair of the D on on the calls and Senator Ponacio. We're basically asking to make it a
permit by rule to work on our rivers which means a permit by rule basically says we decide when we have to clean up and when we do it. We don't have to pay for a permit to do it. Right now, the way it works, if we want to clean one of our rivers, a tree falls into our river, huge tree, we have to get it out, we
have to pay for a permit to remove the tree. And these permits can be expensive sometimes. And as Senator Pacio mentioned, we're paying a permit to the state to clean their river. The state owns the river. We don't own the river, but yet we're paying to do that. On top of the fact that it's it's time
consuming, and it's not easy to make it happen. Sometimes we have to get that tree out of the way quickly because of a storm's approaching. They all understood what we're saying. They did explain to us a verbal agreement and and might tell me if I'm saying this wrong that we can
call D and say we have an emergency. We need an emergency setup to get this tree out of the thing. And they said they would entertain that idea. So, we haven't tried it yet, but that's something we will do moving forward. I appreciate the fact that at least we had the meeting. They know this is a problem
not just from our town but for all communities. If a, you know, a large tree falls, you know, we're three rivers. A large tree is blocking one river. That's a problem of a storm's coming. So, we have to get those trees out of the way. And believe it or not, again, we were cleaning a one of their rivers of a large tree that fell. We
maybe put one of our tires touched the water and we got fined $50,000 for from the D for cleaning their river which they after arguing we did get the permit reduced greatly but it shouldn't work that way. We should be working on the same team with the state and the
towns to make the rivers clean. So it was I'm glad we had the meeting. It was a good conversation. Uh I attended a very nice award ceremony put on by the chief last night for the police department. everybody up here also uh welld deserved by all our honores and like I said last night yes
they a lot of them got awards but all those police officers on that staff care about our town at the end of the day you know that's what we can ask for as residents we want our police to care about what's going on not just coming in and doing a job and leaving so I thank all our police officers for what they had done and what they do do attended a
great ceremony at our civic center that uh uh Miss Venin mentioned today uh you know we have a new building out there in the back if you haven't taken a look it looks great Um, we're going to actually start having our meetings again like we used to do there. We'll also be renting out the building for small parties. If you're interested in renting out the
building, contact the Burough Hall. It holds up to about 60 people. Uh, and we we will have um allow food in there. So, if you have any questions about that, call the Burough Hall. We also got some storage put upstairs, which is greatly needed because when we put the storage
upstairs, we're not paying for storage somewhere else. Again, I have to remind everybody that this and as Miss Venon mentioned, this was part of a project from the redevelopment project put in town. So, we did not pay any cost to have that building redone. Um, and so
it's one of the trade-offs of doing business for redevelopment and it'll only get more from there. But, this was a good one for us because that building was down closed for more than two years with mold issues and water damage. So, to have this building back in line is a big deal. So, I thank everybody involved with that. I thank Meridian for taking
care of that and making it work. I attended a PBA uh 5K run which I did not run. Uh I walked I didn't even walk all. Um but uh you know it's great to see the PBA put together an event for themselves to raise some money for all the great programs they run. It was it
was well well a lot of people there and it's the first annual and I think they'll be moving forward with um uh more events coming forward with that that uh and I think that is my report. Council President, you're not giving a report, correct? >> I notic. I I'll save it for you.
>> Okay. No problems. >> Who's next on my list? Councilman Bennett. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, as mentioned before, as I've mentioned uh a few times during past council meetings, the graffiti issue. Um, in addition to reporting if you see someone do it, uh,
also report it if you notice graffiti that wasn't there the day before because that'll shorten the window that the police can need to look for that perpetrator. Um, as mentioned, uh, it was the little library at Lakeside Park that was, uh, vandalized. My younger
daughter and her troop when they were in fourth grade, I want to say, uh, put that up as one of their projects. And it was heartbreaking to have my younger daughter text me that image. Not only because they put it together. The kids actually assembled the that little
library, but the troop ran a a reading program and and did a lot of things. A lot of work went into that. So, I'm looking forward to that person getting caught. Uh, thank you to the PLDD for the quick response and followup.
>> Uh, quick reminder that tomorrow night's stroll is is postponed. Yep. Um, and uh, looking forward to the next one. Mr. Shortway, I agree with you with the graffiti. Uh, the stop sign that you um, caught you either. Uh, the stop sign in uh, in the picture,
mayor, I think that's on private property. I don't think that's >> Well, it can't be a stop sign. Can't be on private property. >> Well, I mean, it's it's part of that uh, driveway that goes up to the to the train tracks behind Wanq on the the river side of Wanuk. >> Yeah. Can a stop sign be on private park? So that that sign you're talking
about the sign that's a the oneway sign on the west side. >> Yeah, it's part of that. Yeah, the no left turn and >> private driveway, but it's the sign is in the burrow, right? >> Yeah, it's in the burrow. Right. >> Okay. Correct. >> I wasn't sure how how that was >> that's how that >> it is pretty faded. So it it should be replaced either way.
>> Yes. So someone Yeah. Randy, if you Councilman Hinton, if you reach out to BPW, right, and Dan can take care of that. >> Uh and and the garbage cans. I actually spoke down as a league. um spoke with uh uh Superintendent Oor of our DPW and got
them connected with Abel down uh back in November and the garbage cans we're looking at are called Big Belly uh garbage cans. They have they're solar powered, they compact. They're they're they're pricey, but I think they'll they'll they'll last and it'll um the way they're designed will prevent folks
from just putting garbage bags on top. Yes, they can still place it all on the side, but uh stepped up surve not surveillance was what we're looking for. Uh enforcement could probably help with that as well. Uh civic center as a mayor mayor uh
mentioned it was a pleasant surprise to see the beautiful plaque with all the names of the folks and groups that were involved in making that come to fruition. I want to congratulate the Pompton Lace Police uh award recipients. Very welld deserved. And thank you to the chief for acknowledging our officers because daytoday you thank them but to
be acknowledged in a formal setting like that is very nice. >> Appreciate that. >> Um and we I support it fully. Uh last night was also the uh Girl Scouts Court of Awards. That's why I was late to the awards. I was bouncing back and forth. Luckily it was well within walking
distance. Uh congratulations to all who bridged and thank you to the volunteers uh who helped serve and work with the Girl Scouts. Uh, lastly, the Pompton Lakes High School Music Department had their dinner last night. So, that was my third event after I left you guys um to
go back there and and join them. So, congratulations on another successful year. Congratulations to the seniors um and next year's uh leadership for the marching band. Lakeside Mi Middle School had their high note music festival during Park uh a couple weeks, a couple
Fridays ago, and this is my last time chaperoning. Kind of sad about that. It was a lot of fun. It's a long day, but it's a lot of fun. Um, and then last week, congratulations. The eighth grade dance, the Pmpton Lakes High School prom was on the same night. Uh, bounced back and forth between those two. And then the Pton Lakes senior trip
to Virginia was very successful. Saw the pictures and the posts. Uh, and that is my report. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, uh, Councilman Bake. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, unfortunately, I wasn't able to attend, uh, this month's bid meeting. I was completing my civic responsibility material duty.
>> Very fun and exciting. Um they did want me to announce that there was a stroll supposed to be tomorrow night. Uh unfortunately it has been res postponed or rescheduled to August 13th. Um I attended trail maintenance on Sunday, May 31st. Uh we had a good turnout. Um the yellow uh the red, yellow, and blue
trails got cleared. Um on another note, and I know it's been discussed before, um and I told you I was going to bring it up, is just we need to talk about the maintenance of the Morris uh Canal Greenway. Um the trails committee doesn't have enough manpower or equipment to maintain the trail and I know the DPW has the same kind of issue.
Um the DPW is going to assist and do a onetime maintenance. However, I don't think that would be enough. And we do have the new Eagle Scout project going in. I know he wanted to do some upgrades to the trail as well as the kiosk. Um I just hate to see that trail become impassible in the future and nobody
really be able to use it. and there are a number of like dead trees um that could come down and be an issue for anybody hiking, you know, through there. So, you know, I don't know if there's a way for us to come up with a solution for it. Um I do know the DPW at least hopefully with 11 more guys getting
hired can maybe come through even once a month would help just to keep the trail open for people to use. So, >> yeah. So, Mike has spoken and I'll let him talk a minute. Um, unfortunately the the arrangement that was worked out by previous councils was when when that was asked to be put in that that would be
the responsibility of the trail committee and the DPW was pretty adamant that they cannot do it. They just can't. They don't have the manpower. And I think Michael spoke to DPW already. I don't know if you want to >> I mean my only comment would be that uh the claim has been made that you need to some sort of certain type of mower that
would be maybe a more efficient way of doing uh the mowing or maintenance of the trail. Um, but we do have a public works committee meeting uh for next week with Councilman Hinton and Venon and the mayor. So, we will talk about that as an agenda topic. Um, but right now I don't
know how feasible it is, but we are going to talk about it. >> I I think the other issue is is because it's so wet back there, you know, we don't have that kind of equip, you know, carry that kind of equipment to make that work. >> And if I may, I'm sorry if I forgot something. Um, we are doing our best. I know today I was very pleased to see
that the DPW cut the field on Elm uh that's backed by one of the entrances to the trails. Um so they are trying and that field's been neglected for years. Um so you know they're doing their best that they can. So we'll we'll talk about it. >> Okay.
>> Now I think we appreciate any effort you know moving forward just to try to see if we can maintain it. >> Okay. you know, >> and can I add that any agreement that was made previously when the trail went in, the trail committee said they couldn't really do it. Um, the trail
committee does the best that they can with the people they had, but they don't always have enough volunteers and times have changed. I know we had an agreement back when the trail went in, but we need to change that agreement possibly. Yeah,
but the agreement was with the DPW and the DPW back then told us there's no way they're going to do it. >> It wasn't a sign contract. It was just an agreement. >> No, but I'm saying they're not changing their stance. >> Well, they may not change their stance, but we are their boss. And if we need to
have that trail maintained, then they have to maintain it. >> Then that would be more manpower and more equipment. >> Whatever we need to do, mayor, it's open up to the public. >> But that's a major cost. That's something we'll tell you. It's not >> It's not a major cost. Running running the mower down one side.
>> It's not running the mower. They need someone to run the mower. >> One person to run the mower. They run down one side. They >> Well, it's not that simple. I was hoping with the 11 extra people hired that when they come back, they could spend a half hour. >> I don't think it would be more than a half hour, honestly, of time.
>> A half hour a month to go. That's all you really need. We'll >> bring a guy with a weed whacker to go buy the benches. You have benches you can't sit in. We don't tell the the any of our supervisors how to run their department. So you are not elected to tell a supervisor how to run his if he says >> you made that clear numerous times with
me and I understand that. But we have a trail open to the public that the trail committee for all that they do >> they do a lot. >> They they do they do a great job. But they can't maintain this trail also. >> Then we shouldn't have opened that trail. >> Well, it doesn't matter what we should
or shouldn't have done. It is open and we need to maintain >> because at the time when this was brought up, this was all discussed over in length. There's there wasn't just a quick meeting on this. There was a lot of discussion on this about the fact that we shouldn't do this. This is not something we can do. We can't afford to
do this. And it was all taken into consideration and then >> it was voted and passed by the council and a lot of money was spent installing the ship and now it's out of control. Well, I'm not saying it's not immigrant. If they and if look, if the DPW steps up and says we can do it, I'm not fighting
that, that's great. Oh, yeah. I'm not going to argue that. Um, but we'll have that conversation with the DPW. >> And I just say with the Eagle Scout project going in, if the kid, you know, if he does it and then a year later, it's kind of gone to waste. You know, I just don't want to see that happen. >> Yeah.
>> He's putting the effort and time into doing that. And I think we just need to find a solution to figure out how we can do this. It's a problem that needs to be fixed >> or addressed. Addressed. It could mean it could be meaning we don't need this trail. Can't take care of it. That could
be the other side. >> However, it works out. It just needs to be it can't just be kept putting off putting off. Putting off, >> right? I think this is why we made a trail committee liaison. This is where this all came from this this meeting. >> Okay. >> Leaison's doing his job.
>> Yes. No question. No question about that. Anything else? >> Uh yeah, a couple of things. Um so last t Tuesday I attended um also the ceremony in honor of Carl Padula at the board of education meeting. Uh they planted a beautiful cherry blossom right
uh cherry blossom tree in honor of Carl in front of the board office. Uh Jared Luciani Dr. Amaroso gave really nice speeches describing very accurate uh depiction of who Carl was. Um Carl was a great man and he will be missed. Um this past Monday I attended the grand opening
of our brand new civic center as well. The building looks great. Um, thank you to Meridia for constructing the building at no cost to our taxpayers. And then last night, I also attended the police award ceremony held at the Cardinal Center. Um, it was an awesome ceremony to honor our police officers. Um, thank
you, Chief Rodriguez, for creating a great program um that will acknowledge the great work our officers do for the years to come. So, thank you for that. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> That's it. That's my >> uh Councilman Hen. >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Um, we had a
recent senior's meeting, but I couldn't attend it. I was down the shore waiting on the beach. So, >> Wow. >> Wow. Sometimes you just can't make all the meetings. >> Wow. >> And um they had El Palazo came by and had a nice lunch. So, uh I missed I
missed the >> gave up the free food to go. They gave up free. Um, I attended the tree planting for uh Carl Padulla. It was a great little ceremony. Uh, want to thank u Mr. Sanchez and his company for donating the
tree. Correct. And um it was a it's an honor. We had we planted a tree in the back for Carl's late wife Barbara and uh they they were both instrumental to this community and u it was a good honor. uh
attended the ribbon cutting ceremony at the service side. Beautiful job that they did. It's a nice uh I've already had people call me up wanted to know if they could rent it for a birthday party. So, uh that's a good thing. Uh we had a
shade tree commission meeting. I just wanted to ask our administrator. Uh we had the community forest management plan done by Mr. Lson. Did he submit that or was that up to the Sha Tree Commission? No, we we we meaning my office submitted
it to the D. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, it's in for approval right now. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Um and we're applying for the grant for tree canopy. >> Yes.
>> For the rem the removal >> the removals. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um so we're shade tree commission is busy on that. Um let's see. went to the presentation for Ruckers. >> Ask you a question. Shade tree, just go
back cuz I have some residents asking me if you want to uh prune one of the large trees in front of your house, >> do you need to go to town to let them know that >> if the tree is on their property? >> No, it's in the right way.
>> No, that they don't prune the trees in the right way. That's what the tree commission is. They're not allowed to prune the trees. And a lot of times if there's a branch or something that >> So branches are hanging on somebody's house. For example, what should they do? >> You know, from the tree that's, you
know, in in there, right? >> It's in the burrow right away. >> Yeah, it's hanging on their house >> piece between the sidewalk and the curb. Yes. >> That's a pretty big tree. >> Well, there's some big ones. >> Pretty close to the burrow right away. The house.
>> We could stop by there. Just give us the address. Uh, >> all right. And then if they have to prove so I think the resident's asking me, >> you know, he he'll pay for it, but he just wants to make sure he doesn't need a permit to do that. >> Liz, >> they have to fill out an application,
then be submitted to the J for their review. If there's one branch that they have to take down, like you said, if it's falling on a they sometimes people do that, but technically they're supposed to get permission. >> Technically, they are. Okay, that's right. And the aspect of it is from the
burrow right away straight up onto their property, they just going right right to the good lord. Um, you know what I'm saying? >> If it hangs over from the burrow right away onto their property. >> Yeah, which it is. Right. >> Right. Well, they can prune straight up,
you know, but like Liz says, they should put an application in. >> All right. So, that's what I'm asking. In other words, if it's hanging on their property side >> over on their property >> on their property side, they can hire a company to come and prune it off from the right away. >> Right. Just like >> I've never given permission for that.
>> That's because the best practice is that the tree be pruned at the um >> at the stalk >> at the stalk which is in the rightway. So it really if you're going to do it the right way, it does require a permit. >> Okay. So some and I'll use even my tree
for example. I have a very large tree. Um, you know, these are limbs that are this big. We're not asking I don't think they're asking to cut those limbs at the tree, but is that what you're suggesting they should do? >> It really needs to be looked at by the shade tree commission. And if we don't
not sure what to do, then we'll have John Winson, our certified New Jersey certified tree expert. Um, Michael will send them out and look it. We just need the address. >> All right. I'll tell the All right. >> We'll take care of it. >> Yeah. I think he's saying it's hitting
the windows in this front. >> Oh, that's that's that's a problem. >> Yeah. >> And we don't want that problem, especially from a burough trip. Okay. >> So, if you get us the address, we'll go out tomorrow. >> Okay. >> Um what's attended to police awards, a
very honorable thing that the chief did for his men. Um they risk their lives in certain situations and uh was welld deserved. >> Thank you. >> The officers have got it. Um the PBA 5K
I was so looking forward to running against the mayor and >> you would have won >> and then I heard >> I heard from people there that you guys weren't running. So I >> Yeah. In second place. Um, and we just need to uh do something with the Mars Canal Greenway Trail and
uh we'll hopefully we'll discuss that. Um, I was out looking at trees today. Spent a lot of hours checking tree guards that need to be expanded as the tree grows. And I was on Riverats Drive in the south end of town and uh just
south of Katy Folks Park and there was nothing but corn cobs laying around. So, I just want to remind the public that we just passed an ordinance about not feeding the deer. And the deer don't need to be fed, especially this time of
the year, but obviously somebody is. And then I spent Monday and Tuesday with my little have a heart trap trapping feral kittens in my backyard. So, this is the kitten time of year. And
um I would suggest if other residents have that issue, trap them and then bring them to Bloomingdale Animal Control and they'll put them up for adoption. >> So >> should should we have an an adult the cat program?
>> Ad the kitten program. >> Well, we the geese. >> Okay, I'm just asking. >> And uh that is my role. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh Councilman Santers. >> All right. Thank you, Mayor. I also attend the civic center ribbon cutting.
It's a the building looks great. It's going to be nice for the uh our organizations to get to all the meetings there again. Um they have been lost for space in the last couple years. So it's going to be great for for organizations
to be able to use it and uh so it be available for residents to rent for small occasions. I attend police uh awards ceremony. Congratulations to all the officers who were honor honored last night. Our officers, dispatchers and
administrator to the uh chief are very dedic uh dedicated to our town. I attended both board of ed meetings. Um uh I attended the tree dedication for Carl. It's a cherry blossom. Uh Carl got
me involved in getting involved with uh Pompton. He when I first moved into uh on guard, Carl came up and he goes, "Oh, hey, we were looking for a block captain." Back then the block captain was when the
rivers flooded, block captain would call the neighbors and say, "Hey, floods, you know, do we need anything?" So he got me involved. Uh I served on the board of ed with him. So he was very dedicated to the town. So it was nice to do that for
Carl. Uh the curriculum report for the indiv indiv indivi individualized student learning was presented last week. This is a program where uh seniors get to do
an internship or volunteer in the workplace and get ready for college or or the workplace. This is a program uh I'm sorry two uh two seniors spoke about the this program
um they did they both did internship one did a internship at um as a a physical therapist and that's what she wanted to pursue. After doing her internship she decided that's not what she was going to
uh do in her college. So it was good for her not to uh spend any money in college for something that she didn't want to do. And the other student, he served his internship at a vet. And his first day
at the vet, they were doing a surgery on on animal and he's like, "Oh, this is definitely what I want to do." So he didn't he didn't do the surgery, but he he was involved. So it was it's a good program for the our high school seniors to get involved in and see opportunities
what they might want to do in the future. So in 2025 and 2026 school year they had two uh 23 students and they already have for the 2026 2027
stu uh school year they have 47 students signed up already. Congratulations to the boys baseball team. They are moving on to the state finals at Rutners this weekend. And also congratulations to Karen Hennessy who was named NCJIC
Medallands coach of the year and P County coach of the year for softball. Um and Dr. Amarosa's last board meeting will be held um August 11th. Uh and that will be
his last meeting. Uh so and that is my report. >> Uh you know I'll tell you a funny story real quick. You know as a scientist I was doing surgery and we had high school kids come in and one kid wanted to be a vet and he was very interested in it. So I was doing the surgery. I turned around to ask him how how do you think the surgery went? He passed out. He was
laying on the floor. I said maybe you should be a florist but not scientist. >> Um okay. >> Mayor can I add things I missed? >> Yeah sure. Um, one was the the uh state county open space is it was in the
papers about a grant for us for $229,000 for uh the park down at Joeville Field. So, I just wanted to bring that up. And uh also there was an article um talking to residents
this not only kitten time, it's baby deer time. And if the fawn is you find a fawn, just leave it alone. When I was bringing the kittens to the animal control, they were going out on calls for fawns, people finding fa. So, just
let the public know if you find see a baby deer in your yard, just leave it alone. It's not abandoned. And uh you by picking it up or trying to bring it to animal control, you're actually harming the farm worse than if you just left it
off. So, want to make those two comments. >> Okay. Thank you, Attorney Mort. >> Good evening, Mayor. Uh we're just following up on the uh the railroad. Uh I contacted or tried to contact Mr. Petri on a couple of occasions. No
answer on that phone number uh that were provided. Uh we did finally get a pulse from the railroad, although we didn't establish contact with the attorney. There's been some back and forth. So, we're still trying to connect. Uh so, we're still working on that. And uh with respect to the day-to-day stuff, I'm in
touch with uh Mike and plugging along. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Just want to thank the attorney for this work on Scott and cross. Appreciate it. >> My pleasure. Commissioners. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh so, Councilman Hinton stole my thunder. Uh but again,
uh we were awarded a grant of 229,000 for a new playground at Willow Field. So, that's a new initiative that uh the Pmpton Lakes Riverdale Little League and I are working on and we're hoping for an installation uh next year for that cost.
That's that's a small playground. >> Yeah, that's a common price. >> Wow, that's a lot of money for that. >> That's a cheap price actually. >> Um in addition, I'm working with the burough engineer on the remaining punch list items for the Willowfield improvements project. Uh we are working
with the DPW for pricing to install a new split rail fence along the right-hand entrance to the complex to further prevent uh vehicles from parking on the new grass areas as part of our NJD permanent plan. And also the new
dugout benches have been installed by Downs Tree Service as of last week. Uh the contractor also did remove the large stump uh which was connected to the guy wire which was uh also removed thanks to Sha Tree Commissioner Pete Airi's uh
connections with Verizon. So I'd like to thank Pete for his help with that. And then the little league will be using the new T-ball fields this coming weekend for their first and only practice on the fields at which point the fields will then rest for the remainder of the
summer and season. So we thank the little little league for their cooperation with that. Uh the burough engineer and I are working on the FY2027 NJ dot municipal aid application which again consists of the resurfacing of
Albany a from Riverview Road to Arcadia Road and Riverview Road from Ramipo to Albany. We are also uh moving forward with our FY2025 mun municipal aid project for the resurfacing of Lakeside A from Van A to
Chain Court including Chain Court to the dead end. This is a shift from our prior plan as several individuals have approached us uh with the idea to install sidewalks from Jefferson A to Chain Court to
further connect students to Lakeside Middle School and beyond. Um due to this development, the bureau engineer is recommending applying for supplemental grant funding through through what's called the NJ DO's discretionary funding program uh for both the resurfacing of
Lakeside from Chalon Court to Jefferson as well as the sidewalks uh in that stretch. We are going to talk to the open space committee because it it is unclear whether or not we will remove the Muller property fence and guide rail
as part of the first or second phase. In talking to the engineer, it is logistically difficult to include the fence removal in the first phase because it's beyond the project limits. It's outside of van to chain. It's beyond so
it becomes a little costly. Um, >> we just cut it out or down. >> The DPW could remove it, but the problem is we would have to pay to put in some sort of guide rail and it's in between two other sections of guide rail which are currently not compliant with DOT
standards. So, it opens up a can of worms to then replace the whole guide rail and you could be looking at a $100,000 project to do that. Um, >> well, Steve, you can bring this to the open space. I know Maria might not be >> Yeah, I'm sure it'll be >> Well, yeah, she might not be there long.
So the recommendation unfortunately is to um move the guy rail for next year. So it it has to wait. Uh that's the recommendation, but we're going to talk about that again. Um so thank you for that. I want to thank the
DPW and Shade Tree, especially Randy and Pete who met with me today to talk about some imminent threat tree removals at both at both, excuse me, Hersfield Park and Willow Field. We did have some limbs come down at Willowfield. So, thank you to the DPW uh for their efforts as part
of this weekend's thunderstorm event. Uh we are in communication with the BO of Oakland for the shared service agreement for solid waste, recycling, and vegetative waste collection services. All nine of our new hires started on Monday, June 8th, and are in the process
of being trained for route familiarization and logistics for the new uh shared service agreement. Uh in addition uh the burrow started a shared service agreement with the bow of Riverdale for fire official services
last week. Our fire inspector Jimmy Titus has met with the bow of Riverdale and it appears to be a smooth uh transition and we are excited to become uh we're excited to see a potential successful arrangement with Riverdale.
Uh, and lastly, I wanted to thank the uh, Bo Clerk, uh, Liz, Kathy, and Barbara for their hard work on putting together the calendar for another year, which is set to be released sometime before July 1st. Um, and again,
congratulations to the police department on their awards. Thank you. >> All right, so one thing I have is I I brought up the last meeting. The street sweeper did go past my house and it had no water coming out of it at all. So my first question is where do they get the
water to put it in the the street sweeper when it comes from Bloomingdale? They go back to Bloomingdale. They do it here. >> They probably go back and refill it. That >> how far they get before they have to refill the >> I don't know. >> Well, I know some towns what they'll do is they'll tap into a fire hydrant.
>> Well, that's what I'm asking. I don't know. Do they do I don't know they do that. Bloomingdale does, but I know a lot of that's what a lot of other towns are that they uh they'll tap into the uh fire hydrants fill from the fire. >> I would say it comes so infrequently in
all the neighborhoods that if they're at least coming there should be water coming. >> Okay. >> You know, so that's something we need to look into. >> What happens? Mayor, >> what's that? >> Mayor. >> Yes, >> mayor. I I called uh I called Mike Carelli 7:00 in the morning. The street
sweeper was on one court and some of that and it was dry as the boat. They came here without work. >> Yeah, I would assume that. Yeah, >> they didn't fill it up before they came. They just It was just beyond belief. >> Yep. I agree. >> I called Michael and I said, "Michael,
this is we can't clean a road without problems without having water." So that happened at 7:00 in the morning cuz I I walk in the morning. >> So that they would they would drive from day one. Y that's changed. We pay a lot of money for that street sweeper.
>> So I'm going to have Michael reach out >> also part of our similar um permit requirements. So that's very important we follow that and that they follow that. >> Do you have something else? >> Yeah, let's hope that Michael was awake at 7. >> I very much was.
Um over on I live on Monair Avenue on Broad Street comes into Tilcon and Tilcon runs the sweeper up and down Broad Street all the time. And they tap the fire hydrant right there. >> They do. >> So yes, they do. >> And I see the water on that one. I do see the water. >> Right, they do. And they don't do it all
the time. Well, sometimes they run dry. I don't know why, but um so they must have an arrangement to con with the MUA. Um there's no meter on there. They just fill up the the sweeper. And I'm sure that there's no reason why Bloomingdale would have to go back to Blooming.
>> Yeah, I think so. >> That's ridiculous. They should be able to use one of our fire hydrants to fill it. And uh >> so that's something you can run to. >> I'll call the bur administrator tomorrow. >> And then just a side note, you know, I saw two I'd say 8 to 10 year olds
walking back from school on uh Lakeside walking, you know, they have to walk in the street there. So, I think this is a big deal that we can get sidewalks in somewhere there because, you know, you know, they're young and they're walking on that street. There's kids running driving from high school through there. So, if we can make that work and get
sidewalks there, that's a big improvement to that area. And if we have to wait a year to get the fence down to make the sidewalks work, I'm okay with that. >> We are looking uh to put the sidewalk on the res residential side as opposed to the lake side. It it opens up issues
with D and cost to put it on the lake side. So, we're looking at logistics for the residential side. However, there is a driveway for the apartment complex, which causes some issues about connectivity of the sidewalk. Um, so we
are going to look at it. >> Okay. Any questions, administrator? >> Yes. >> I just had a question on um a resident asked me about the Lambert Street uh bridge over the acid. Are we doing
anything with that? It's in. >> Yeah, that's the one we're replacing. We're buying. >> Are we going to replace that? >> No, that's the foot that's the little uh foot bridge. A little foot over the acid. >> It was brought to the DP DPW's attention
maybe within the last month or two uh to start looking at that and maybe coming up with a material list to maybe replace it with some sort of trex or some sort of vinyl railing system or whatnot. So, we are looking at that. Uh, but I'll remind them about that. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> Also, um, was talking to the chief. What's going on with the PBA as far as they're putting their monument in front of the municipal building? Is there any, uh, or the hedges were supposed to be removed?
>> Yeah, I think we're waiting on the cost for the monument, right? Is something to do with the monument? >> Yeah. So, as far as I know, I don't want to speak to them totally. I don't know have all the specifics but from what I understand in some of the conversations that were relayed to me is that they did
uh get a total cost from uh total cost of the project and it the project was came in very very expensive um so they are looking to see if there's other options uh andor to maybe scale some
stuff back and then I don't know if they were going to enter into some talks with the DPW in regard to what the material was going to be on the other side. So I I just think there need there's some discussion that still needs to be had with the with the union and
>> I'll reach out to find out >> and another quality about a hole on Riverview Road by George's Market. As soon as you turn off of Hamburg, there's a hole there. Now I brought it up. I sent pictures to Michael.
Michael's working on it. Um, we thought it was the MUA and uh from the MUA and it was not the MUA issue. >> So, Michael I think it's gas >> a gas line. >> I think I think it's a gas um like
little gas man. >> Yeah. >> And when I talked to Eli, I said, "Can you just put a riser on it?" And the risers that they have with their work doesn't match that. >> Okay. So, uh, Michael's working on it and I want to thank him for being on top
of it. >> Any other questions? >> Uh, just ahead. >> Just one question for Mike lately. >> YEAH. >> MIKE, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THE SIDEWALKS on the opposite side of the lake. Now, if we put the sidewalks on
the interior side, not on the west side, will that affect the removal and the um in the the construction of the um the guard rails? >> No, it would be one project.
Yeah, we we would we would put back we would put back compliant guide rail at at the current at the current at the current locations and in addition to removing the chain link fence and putting in guide rail to continue >> that's a god awful place and it's
dangerous and it's not >> so mayor I think what it is is the guardrail that's there now >> I I don't want to wait another year mayor it's another year of looking at a horrible thing >> yeah but we can't it can't get it in the funding because it's not part of the initial project. That's the problem.
So, we either have to replace Yeah, we either have to replace the whole guard rail all at once because it's not compliant, the one that's there now. So, that's the issue. So, I think there'll be some conversation with between Michael and the open space and we'll talk about it, but you know, it it might have to wait a year to get the fence
down. That's the way I'm looking at it. I can't swear to that, but that's what it might be. >> I'll reach out to you. >> I'm hoping not. I'm hoping not, especially to put the sidewalk on the interior side, which I know the open space um people were very excited about doing. So, but let's just get to put
them off another year. Another year of ugly another ugly year. Okay. And dangerous. Okay. >> All right. And the last thing I forgot to mention, we did have a power outage when that storm came through. It did affect about 500 residents in town. Um it actually was a main power uh split
between in um Montville that put out 1,500 residents. But the reason I bring it up is because it's very important that if your power goes out in your home that you contact Jersey Central to tell them your power is out because they go by the number of calls they get in on
how they respond back. So if only two people respond and there's 500 people out, we're going to go on the bottom of the list. If four 500 people call in, we go up on the list. Now, you know, when I called I called my contact in Jersey Central, he only had four reported outings from Bob. So, you know, we knew
we had much more than four, but that's all that reported it. So, I'm just reminding everybody to report the outing. No matter if your neighbor did it or not, everyone has to count to put it in. Uh, Chief, your report. >> Yes. So, I have a summary for last month. So, um,
May was another productive month for the department. Um, we continued balancing our day-to-day responsibilities. Uh, along with that, we had several long-term initiatives uh that are that are designed to improve service uh to the community. So, we were able to
continue those. In addition uh to all of that, we uh we responded andor handled over 2,000 incidents uh over the month. um our you know I got to say our officers continue to remain focused on uh proactive enforcement, criminal
investigations, traffic safety, and uh community uh engagement. Our detective bureau continued to work on several active investigations during the month, including a long-term missing person's case that dates back to uh 1976
that uh is being conducted in partnership with both uh the New Jersey State Police and uh the New York State Police. Our community engagement remained a priority throughout the month. Uh, as I'm sure you guys all remember, the barmen participated in the arrive uh
program roll out, the walk for hope, uh, we, uh, we had our lead graduation picnic at Hurstville Park, um, memorial day event, and then, uh, we had our first, uh, spring summer stroll that we were involved in with the traffic control.
Uh the department also continued to make progress on several important projects uh including uh our accreditation uh preparation for for reacredititation uh communications upgrade and uh preparations for the next gen 911
transition that is uh been mandated by the state. Uh we are also currently in the background investigation phase of hiring an additional police officer as uh we continue to work to address staffing needs of the department and that'll be uh the replacement of one of
our officers that retired, Chief Clark. Uh I would also uh you know like to thank uh the members of our department for their continued professionalism and dedication. um you know their their efforts every day help keep uh Pton
Lakes uh safe and reflect uh positively on the department and the borrow as a whole. And that is my report. If you have any questions, >> any questions for the chief? >> Um yeah, I have a question. Uh when we went Tuesday for the little walk through
town with Ruckers, um it was brought to my attention and then it's obvious that the new building the parking garage underneath. Is there a left turn coming out of that garage or is there no left turn >> coming out of the garage onto Wan
>> onto Wanuk Avenue? >> You can make a left. You can't make a right. >> Well, if you made a right, you be going with traffic. If you make a left, >> he's exiting. >> Exit. >> Exiting. >> Exit. >> Um, yes. I think there is no left turn. Yes. >> All right. Now, the other question that came up,
>> no left turn. >> Sorry. >> No left turn. >> No left turn. Is that >> mean cross the correct right turns? >> I think that's a right in right out only on one out right and right out. >> Well, there is an arrow on the right and
then there's another arrow going straight. So, it needs to be looked at. And the other thing that really came up um evangelista, we were talking about it also is when we close the road. >> Yeah, we've worked with that. Yeah. you know, somehow there's a 100 cars that
park under there and we close the road for the car show or something. Uh, what are we going to do with that? >> Yeah, I've been in discussion with them. You know, they're going to have to let their residents know that day that they can only park outside in either the pontoll or their outside lot for these amount of hours and you can't use the
inside garage uh for that time >> for that day. >> For that well, those hours, whatever those hours are, it's not >> Well, the car show lasts pretty much all day. >> Yeah, it'll be whatever it is, 8 to 5. So if you want to if you need to take your car out, we're going to open our pontoll up. Take a park in the pontoll. Um but >> with a 100 cars.
>> Yeah, we could fit 100 cars. >> Yeah, we have 236 spots >> or possibly that one lane, make it right out and then down Babcock or >> No, you could still go out from the garage. So that I forgot that. Thank you. You could still come out on Babcock and go out past the high school, but the
problem is the two buildings don't connect garagewise. So the back garage, yes, you can still use that garage and go out. If the front garage, you can't. You'd be locked out. >> All right. So you wouldn't open up the lane going towards >> No, we're not going to open up one or two at all. >> Okay. >> Car.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's going to be a >> ju just to clarify some of this. So that the there's two levels of garages. The the top level garage does not connect to the bottom level garage. So anybody that that goes into the garage on Wanqav can only come out on Wanqav. In the second
garage, which is on the which is considered the B the B bottom floor, they can only go in through the pond hole in between the buildings and they can get access to both sides of the of the garage through there and they would have to come out through the pond hole. >> Well, we'll see what happens.
>> The issue is only with the with the >> only the top one. So, it's about half the vehicles that are parking there. >> Yeah. >> Because for our winter stroll, we close the whole road. For the car show, we closed the road. >> It's an oversight by all the boards. They didn't think of that. Um, and it wasn't brought up by any of the groups. So, but we'll have to address it because
we're not going to not have this. So, >> okay. >> Observation we made when we were walking through town. >> Yep. Any other questions for the chief? No. Okay. Workshop. >> Is that work? Yes. Workshop.
>> Thank you, mayor. Uh so for tonight's discussion uh as part of our ordinance committee discussions uh these this is one of the final recommendations that the ordinance committee had uh talked about. We are going to be talking about amendments to
our chicken ordinance at some point. Uh but this is a uh hopefully easier subject to uh talk about tonight. Uh so we have from our animal control officer from the burrow of Bloomingdale uh who has recommended for ordinance
chapter 10- uh six for the care and control of dogs. The current code uh 10-6.1 no noise nuisances uh currently reads that no person shall keep, harbor, or maintain a dog which habitually barks
or cries between the hours of 900 p.m. and 800 a.m. And the animal control officer is recommending uh in conjunction with the ordinance committee. Bless you to further amend uh that section uh to indicate uh several
changes including that uh vocalizing how which includes howling, yelping, barking, squawking, etc. for 5 minutes without interruption would be a violation of the current
code. Uh however, the existing verbiage reads that uh barking excessive barking is prohibited between the hours of 9:00 p.m. and 8 a.m. where the recommendation would be that this would be applicable for any time throughout the day or
night. So that that's the first change. >> Well, let's just go back to that cuz part of that conversation too was it you know how did by the time somebody gets there to check it, but it can be done by a video also. Correct. If if somebody's videoing this dog barking for more than five minutes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The animal control officer would take that into account. >> Take that into account. Part of this because you know we call animal control. By the time they get there, the dog will be brought inside. They look at the animal. Theoretically, if you have a video and then you present that to the animal control person, they can accept
that as as evidence that this is happening. So Mark's office did review this ordinance and the topic that came up for discussion is uh it appeared that at least in their review that the five minutes the 5minut threshold seemed to
be unreasonable. So, the discussion tonight is what would be reasonable. And furthermore, would the governing body be amendable to amending the ordinance uh to not restrict it to 9:00 p.m. to 8:00 a.m. and rather make it night and day?
Uh >> I get a lot of calls from residents about parking. I'm sure the police does too, you know. Uh so, I think it's something we have to address. Um the time I I I'll leave that up to you guys. I don't you know 5 minutes it seems a little short. It does seem short. Um 5
minutes straight is a long time for a dog to be barking there. >> No. You'd be surprised. >> Well, also all all day like what if you're at work? Would your dog's barking in the house? >> Not in the house. It does. >> It has to be outside. It didn't say outside >> on the ordinance. >> Um >> I thought it said outside. >> No.
>> Well, it shouldn't say outside. It doesn't. >> So, it does not say outside. It says here that it shall be unlawful for any property owner to allow any domesticated or caged animal to create a sound across a real property line. >> So it could be inside,
>> right? It could it could be inside. I guess >> I would say we're and I'll leave it up to you again, but if it's inside, I don't think we're going to >> call someone out on summer and the windows are open. We got to talk about that. That's That's And also like I look at it like what if somebody's having a a
big barbecue and they're playing their music all day? >> What's the difference between that disturbance and an adult, >> right? I think the current noise ordinance doesn't discriminate time. >> It's whatever is a nuisance to the property owner. They can call and then we respond there. Um and then we can,
you know, we can take an operations report, things of that nature. If we don't if we don't hear it, um, then we're telling the resident that they would, you know, they could file their own complaints. Uh, which would be an ordinance. I would assume it would be similar to that. If we heard it,
obviously, we would follow up with animal control or knock on the door of that residence to find out what's going on. >> The problem is we're getting a lot of complaints during the day. And the ordinance right now expressly states that the enforcement mechanisms from
9:00 p.m. to 8:00 a.m. So the animal control officer wants to open that up for during the day. >> What's what's the uh the definition of of what the disturbance is currently? Just habitual parking without a time. >> No, I think it's four or more like
noises within a minute for 5 minutes straight. Uh that that's the recommendation now. I believe it all it states right now is that no person shall keep, harbor, or maintain a dog which habitually barks or cries between 9:00 p.m. and 8:00 a.m. So
we're looking to open that up to make it enforceable during the day and also define what is habitually barking. And we're saying that that is howling, yelping, barking or squawking for five minutes without interruption. >> And and and that con that's four four
events within the 60-cond period for five consecutive minutes, >> right? Which is defined as as an average of four or more vocalizations per minute in that 5m minute period. >> That is awfully short for >> and then and then it's and then it's two
or more noises per minute for 20 minutes, right? That that's what should be stated in there as well. So, we let our dogs out and the deer are in the backyard and the dog's barking at the deer and you have to call the dog in
>> or if the neighbor's kid is teasing it. >> Well, it did say that it can't be provoked. >> Here's the issue. >> Here's the issue we're having. It's not those kind of calls. It's the people that have a dog and never bring it inside and it stays out in the backyard all night and is howling all night. I
have a neighbor. >> I'll be honest. I I've been I've been called on twice and my dog doesn't stay out all night. >> Right. But I I think that's what we're trying to get at. It's not the what you just said is a perfect example of what could happen. Um you know I the calls I get is this dog just howls and hows all
night 3 in the morning it's it's doing it. So we have to address that somehow. I just don't know how Mark can help us with that. >> To Councilman Bake's point just to confirm. So the recommendation is either 5 minutes with four or more vocalizations per minute in that 5
minutes or vocalizing for 20 m minutes intermittently which is an average of two vocalizations per minute. So this is the recommendation. >> One bark cuz the dog would go out. >> That would be two barks per minute
within 20 minutes >> in a 20 minute inter. >> In all seriousness, these are valid complaints that we're getting. And I think the recommendations trying to maybe tighten the code a little bit. >> Yeah. I I I don't think that anyone is
is going off the rails for hearing a bark for five. >> I don't think so. I think it's probably more like a 15 minute >> or more, you know, 15 to 20 minutes, I think, is >> that that's pretty much when it gets to me. My neighbor's dog does this all the time. >> So, here's the other issue. If a dog is
doing this and it's 1:00 in the afternoon, are we concerned about that or are we just saying it's at night? >> We have folks that sleep during the day. >> Well, that's what we have to >> or work from home, >> right? >> Yeah. >> I have a question. This doesn't conflict with our current noise ordinance cuz I from my understanding our regular noise
ordinance is that if there's any noise or any nuisance it doesn't matter what time of day it is a resident can call and file a complaint and then it doesn't discriminate what that noise is. So if it's loud music or if somebody's out
there playing the drums they can call anytime. That's what I'm saying like right like where's where we splitting the hairs here with >> this is in the animal control section of the code. So this specifically has to do with dogs. >> So but that's what my question is. So we still have the regular noise ordinance.
So if it's if it doesn't if it's not applicable because of the times I would tend to think uh the resident would still be able to call in the noise ordinance under the regular noise ordinance as opposed to >> but that's through the police. >> Yeah. We're getting the same call
essentially. No, but I'm saying if we're calling about a dog barking, they're calling animal control. >> I have call to call police. >> Oh, do they call police? You call animal control >> sometimes, depending on the call. Yes. >> So, we're taking the call and we're responding. >> So, this will give enforcement power, additional force power to the animal
control is what we're >> correct. >> Yeah. But nine times out of 10, my officers are the one responding and then I'm I'm uh a lot of times if it becomes a nuisance or sometimes this turns into like other other issues too where the dogs left outside and then I have to have my uh officer that handles the
animal related issues respond there and go back. But I would tend to think um I don't have the ordinance in front of me, but if the regular ordinance covers the noise, but my officers are just going to apply to the fallback, which a resident can
file a complaint for this at any time, and then if we hear it, we would address it or we would or we follow up with telling that resident that they would file a complaint somewhere regular. Why don't we start with a time first? I know we think it's an amount of time for the animal control officer to respond to.
And I agree 5 minutes is probably too short. Um come up with time. So what do you think? 10 minutes 15 minutes. >> Well, AJ, real quick, too. Is that inside outside with that noise ordinance? >> Yeah. So the way they're current Yeah. It doesn't matter whether it's inside, outside. It doesn't matter if it's 7:00 in the morning, 10:00.
>> Okay. >> There's no there's no there's no days of the week. It's whenever it's whenever I I feel that it's too much as a resident, I can place a call and if I feel it's too much, I can I can I can file that complaint.
>> And what happens? So say that happens. They they get you and you get there and it'll say it's a dog and the dog is barking. What is the next step? What happens? >> So you usually what the officer would do is that we would talk to the resident and we would go to where that noise is coming from. We would knock on the door and be like, "Hey, listen. You just
received a complaint. Is there any way you can quiet down? We would take an incident report and then usually that's where it ends. It's the first time. Uh but if it's it's an ongoing issue, then we would keep documenting it and then we would uh uh depending on the situation, we would most likely nine times out of
10 we would tell the residents that they would file a complaint on that. Uh there are have been times where it's become such an issue uh where we would have to take action if it was like an out of control party or something that's that's not
usual or they're not complying. Let's say we go there and it's uh 10:00 at night. We tell them to quiet down and then we get a call 5 minutes later. We get there, it's it's still loud. Tell them, hey, quiet down. and they go and then we so like something along the lines where we're responding two three
times in the night then at that point in time then we would take the actions. >> All right. So say you get to a house and the dog is barking and nobody's home. Then what happens? >> So uh you know we would either try to make contact with the residents if it was something so obnoxious that it
couldn't wait. Um >> say this is at 2 o'clock in the morning. >> Yeah. If no one's answering the door, then, you know, we would have to, you know, I would say we would try to get in touch with that that person that lives
there the best we can. Um, at that point, uh, if it's not stopping or something going on, we would probably follow up with animal control to see if they can respond out to maybe see if the dog is have is something wrong with the dog. Something happened. Maybe the dog's malnourished or hungry. I don't we would
we would follow up with animal control to take the appropriate action at that point. and probably defer to their expertise if they feel like this, you know, because I would say if the dog's barking over and over again at 2 o'clock in the morning and there it's an outside dog, maybe there's something wrong. Maybe it's a medical emergency for the dog. I
don't I don't know. It it just it really >> and I can tell you just from experience on Ramico, there was a a house that was known to have parties, okay? And and I got calls from this one resident next door all the time, but the noise when the police would go there wasn't crazy loud. it was a, you know, a pool party
going on in the backyard. Now, these people go to bed at 7 o'clock and maybe that was affecting them, but you know, how much can how far can we go with that? You know, if it was 2 o'clock in the morning and it's blasting music, that's one thing. But a pool party with a bunch of teenage kids making noise, they're going to make noise. And I know the police went numerous times, right?
Um, and I finally had to to tell them, look, guys, >> if it gets out of control, they'll do something. But this is just a backyard party at the end of the day. And I'm pretty sure we advised them if they felt that they needed to file complaints on their own, they could, you know, that's every every citizen's right to do that >> to do that.
>> All right. So, what do you guys want to do? >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> I'd like to I agree with the chief. I think that five minute time is just way too short. >> No, I agree. I'm I'm not disagreeing. >> That's way too short. >> So, come up with times. 15 minutes. I
think 20 minutes. >> I think the 20 minutes was fine. >> 20 minutes. four events. So, you know, we have to talk about what that means. >> What what would suggest? >> So, is it still 20 minutes, which would be >> right, not the two minutes, >> two two or more noises per minute, 20
minutes. >> There's two issues. There's without interruption or intermittently. So, what what are the recommendations? >> Without interruption. I'm thinking a a dog barking for 15 minutes straight is more than enough for someone to hear at 2:00 in the morning. I'm just I'm agreeing with you. Agree.
>> Straight is >> straight. I'm not talking to bark here and bark there. Just yelping for 15 minutes straight. I would say 15 minutes for that. >> I would say 10 minutes for that. If it's if it's non-stop, 10 minutes. >> Well, it could be chasing a a rabbit or something, too. You know, >> 10 minutes straight.
>> Yeah, that I'll leave it up to you. I I don't care. >> I know deer standing in our backyard and dog bark at the dog. The deer not >> I would think the homeowner would would intervene in that. >> No. Well, that's the problem. They don't. And that's >> and in my neighborhood there's a dog that barks a block away and then my dog
will bark at that dog, >> right? Like >> chain reaction. >> We have >> It's a chain rea. Yeah. We have a dog across the river >> who barks all day long. >> Well, so I think >> this is an opinion from Lisa Perry, our animal control. >> I would She works on a lot of different
she's been doing this job 25 years. >> I think that we should go by her recommendation >> and I have no issue with that. I will just say sometimes uh she wants to follow the letter of the law exactly as it is and and sometimes the crowds want a little leniency. So
maybe we compromise with her with, you know, she wants five minutes, right? Maybe we do 10 minutes. I'll just say that if you want to do five, I'm okay with that, too. I don't care. I have cats, so they don't make any. Um >> I just want to say this doesn't stop a resident from still filing their complaint and possibly filing charges
under the normal noise ordinance that we have. And it doesn't just there's no times where there's nothing. If the dog barks once and it annoys it annoys them, they still have the right to to call us. We would respond there and we do the same action whether it was 5 minutes, 10
minutes whether the dog's barking or not. >> Well, let me ask you, so you say that, but but if you go there and and it's a band playing in the backyard, that's a different circumstance than a dog barking every couple times, you know, in 20 minutes, right? That's that's two different things. Mark, do you think it
would make sense to maybe further define within the regular noise ordinance this to have it in two sections? I mean, what you know, what would be the thought on that or something? >> The noise ordinance
is a big issue to draft a noise ordinance. Uh enforcement is an issue. I I I'm sure uh this police department doesn't have decibel readings, >> you know. Um and then you start to
discuss uh I I if I'm going to end up drafting a revision to that ordinance, I have to consider void for vagueness issues, which I I know that both of you are familiar with.
if and and if a a piece of legislation is uh vague uh then there's a possibility of it not being enforceable. Uh, and then you know, do we I I I hate to say it this way, but you
know, you you draft ordinances both to inhibit action and then also to uh create enforcement ability. And those two in this area aren't necessarily the same
thing. You could have an ordinance uh that may inhibit certain conduct which would be desirable to do. Uh and that same ordinance may not be something that's going to if push comes to shove in court be the most enforceable
ordinance there is. Um so if we're going to start looking at the noise ordinance and I'm perfectly willing to do that. Um it's it's a fairly entailed thing. I've done it relatively recently, so I'm not going to be creating uh >> which other towns.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Uh uh in Kennallorth, I I did did this this year. >> Did it involve animals or just noise? >> Uh it its catalyst was noise uh in general, like a party type scenario. Uh but it was an all-encompassing
ordinance. And uh there's a whole series of uh cases out there that uh discuss enforcability because you have to articulate it, right? And so it can't be just that it's heard across a property line. It's whether or not it's plainly
articulable is uh the uh the language that I recall being involved in that ordinance. Um I could do it. I would just have to sit down with the chief or his design and start to look at it. Um, this may be as good of a time to do it
as ever. I'm just letting you know. >> There's two there's two issues. I think what Lisa is bringing, and this is going back to Ry's point, this is to give her some more enforcement power. >> Plainly audible, by the way. I'm sorry, not >> because she doesn't have any enforceable power and she has to rely on the police doing most of the work. So, that's the
one issue. I think we should be giving enforcement power to Lisa. I agree with that. >> Um, how that ties in though to your enforcement power, I guess, is the question. And I guess the question that Mark is saying is, do we just make one ordinance that encompasses both? >> Yeah. >> Is that what you're saying?
>> Um, >> or do we have to have separate? >> Well, she has enforcement power, there mayor. She just wants her enforcement. She wants to narrow that enforcement power. >> Yeah. No. Yeah. She wants to get a little better. >> Your your code is allocating the enforcability in two different sections of the code. >> It makes sense that they should be
mirroring each other, >> right? uh without a doubt because then someone can make a an argument that if it's not a violation of the other section then maybe it's >> right so then maybe that's what we need to do. I don't think anybody's in disagreement in giving her more am I
right about saying that Lisa more enforcement prerogative to do what she has to do. I think it's just com mirroring it to yours so it's the same and I think what if we're going to give her structure and Mark's going to work on it we should throw out some ideas and numbers that we want to work into this.
So, is everybody good with a constant barking for 10 minutes? Is that okay with everybody? >> Constant. C. >> Could I make a recommendation? >> Uh, and and with the chief here, I think that the chief should weigh in on this as well. >> Um, I don't think you want to create a
scenario where people are going to be calling the police every time they hear a parking. No. >> Right. Uh, so, uh, and you're not going to make everybody 100% happy. Uh my gut is telling me 15 to 20 minutes is
a reasonable time period. Um that doesn't mean we all have a mouth, right? So we all have an opinion that that that's what my opinion is. It's not worth anything more than anyone else's. Uh but I just would hate to overrun the police department with a bunch of phone calls. >> Look, I can tell you what's going to
happen and he probably has this already. A dog barks twice, you know, loud in this close house and they're kind of you got to stop that dog from barking, right? You know, I get I get those calls sometimes and I tell them, "Well, how bad is it?" Well, it barks every once in a while. Well, that's not really doing it. It's a dog. It's outside. It's
barking, right? Um same thing with these parties. If it's just a bunch of 10-year-olds having a swimming party, how far are we going with this? You know, you know, if it gets over, right? >> Yeah. I I would definitely agree with the time frame that what you're saying. A lot of times the you know, we have a good relationship with Booming Dale. we
have they have on call personnel that we do call for certain situations but a lot of times what they do is is they is they follow up. So I think that's why I think that's why she's looking for the video so that if it's something that we are responding to and we are not taking immediate action or it's not rising to
the level where we have to do something right now she can then follow up with that individual and if it keeps occurring I would assume that she can then issue them her summons as opposed to ours. But I do agree that it should mirror
like you're saying uh >> if it's a nuisance, it's a nuisance. >> It's a Exactly. >> And I agree that I think getting Lisa to come out, you know, is not going to happen on the spur of the moment. So that video part of that and you know, if that dog is actually barking for 10 minutes straight and they show that to Lisa, Lisa is going to go over to the
house and probably talk to them first and say, "Look, your dog is barking. Here's the evidence that it's going on. If it doesn't stop, you're going to get some assistance." >> Yes. And mind you, if my officers are responding and that dog is barking, our all our officers are equipped with body warn cameras. There is a process for her to to get that video, but we would make
that we would make that that uh body warn camera uh video available to her to help her with her investigation. >> All right. So, let's go 10 minutes constant or 10 or 15 minutes, whatever you want. I don't care. What do you guys think? >> 10. I think 15. >> 15.
>> Okay. 15. >> 15. >> 15. I'm a 15 guy myself. All right, let's do 15. 15. Just, you know, we work this into when you guys are doing the work. 15. And then what's this? The one that's bothering me is this twice every 20 minutes routine. That's very hard to enforce. What are we doing there? I don't
>> dog put a number four times craziness. >> Yeah. >> I mean, so why that piece is in there? So, what is the argument? >> She she's trying to define what is um >> constant barking. What is habitually
barking? So, you know, just to your point, as you just mentioned, oh, my neighbor, you know, the dog barks every now and again. Well, well, what is that? She's she's recommending, well, that is vocalizing for 20 minutes intermittently defined as two vocalizations or more per
minute in that period. So, she's trying to define this vagueness of intermittent. >> I would say we move that up to three. >> I mean, a dog goes out, it's not going to bark just once and it's not going to bark twice. second it parks in in concession and then and spurts it.
>> Yeah, but it won't bark just once when it goes out. >> So, it barks 30 seconds between parks. Is that really uh >> Yeah, I see. And let me ask you this. Reinforcement wise, how do you even enforce that? >> Yeah, I Yeah. How do you I was going to suggest
>> Don't you call Lisa Perry when you think there's either neglect or abuse on an animal? Isn't that when she gets involved? >> Yeah, it depends. We have >> Well, she can do her own thing, too. Yeah. >> Yeah. We have officers, too, that that uh they took uh they took a lot of their enforcement abilities away. So, we have
officers that handle a neglect, but but we do we do >> that's my understanding. >> We do work. >> So, we can handle that. And you only call her in when it's like in a real sphere. >> Yeah. Well, it it depends on the situation. I think they call her for advice. She's got a lot of years on the
job and she's been doing it. So, I think they look for her for a little bit of expertise if they have a like a hard question with abuse. But I think this with the noise um uh what I was going to suggest maybe there's a mechanism where they're they're issued a written warning
and then if they're issued a written warning twice and then on the third time maybe then that's when there's a monetary uh fine that's associated. I don't know. That's and then maybe you can define that as opposed to the the bar. More to Maria's point, Maria
though, don't the public is allowed to call the animal control themselves and report the issue because she has the ability to write those tickets. So, it doesn't have to go through the police. They can make their own call to them and she could come out separately from not having the police involved at all. So,
it goes both ways. >> Sure. >> All right. So, we've got that. We'll start with that. Mark will work on the noise ordinance in general to match the two and then we'll we'll circle around about the second part of that. I mean it's seems a little hard to vary to end course. I when you can stand there for
20 minutes and count how many times they park. >> Yeah. I mean >> these are these are difficult things to really >> the more you think about it >> you start getting exceptions and it's it's not >> cuz everything is different to everybody. Like we've gotten calls where
you know kids in high school and he's practicing his drums down in the you know in Dupont and area and you know those houses are um you know they're close together so it annoys them but you know by me
you know I don't care if the guy next door is practicing his drum in high school. So it's very I think you know subjective to who's hearing the noise and what they're hearing to as well. So I, you know, by me, I'm surrounded by dogs. I have a dog myself. So, you know, like you said, then they hear the dog
down the block, they're all barking and then >> Oh, yeah. It's like a chain reaction. >> Yeah. It's uh Yeah. >> And I think, you know, when we go back to that party situation we had in Ramapo, what we basically told her was as long as the party's staying on the yard and they're not trespassing on your property or other people's property,
then there's really no issue with them having a time party, you know, with young kids doing it. They're running around your backyard. That's a different circumstance. >> Correct. Correct. But the but then the other side of that too is is that um we tried to you know deescalate the situation there but if the nate if that
individual wanted to keep pressing they could >> come in and do their own complaints and then there you know they're set up with mediation and and things of that nature. >> He actually had his own meter, right? Remember he had his own meter that was measuring. >> And that's the other problem too with the meter. They have this meter and this this thing that you're supposed to have,
but there's no training for the meter and there's no really calibration. It >> doesn't it doesn't exist. So, >> all right. So, we all good. Anybody have any other suggestions you want to add to it before they work on it? >> No. Okay. >> I'll give you a >> Okay. Um motion to open the meeting for
public comment. >> Motion. Councilman Bennon, Councilman Bay. All in favor? >> Again, I see two people who first ladies first. planning department. >> Uh
Lauren Glenn for Sunset Road. Um back to your meeting about uh flood permitting. Um you probably are aware, but D's changes to the flood hazard rules, the um final adoption enforcement of those
was pushed back a year. So there's now an additional year period where the flood hazard rule changes may still be under review and there will be more opportunity for comment and um expression of desire
for changes to be made before final enforcement. We'll say because the rules went into effect January um 2026. There was a grace period until July 20th, 2026, but there was so much push back about those rules. They're
highly impactful for the coastal flood zone, >> very impactful for coastal urban areas, and there was a lot of push back from both developers, New Jersey DOT, as well as many municipalities and our state
legislators. So D just I want to say a week and a half ago, maybe a week ago, um announced that they are not closing out the grace period on in July of 2026. They are
giving until July of 2027. So if you're having conversations and other municipalities are having conversations with our state level representatives about the burden on municipalities for permitting and about how you know you
know with the new rules permit by rule is going away now there are more exceptions there's permit there's permit by registration some of the changes in the new rules are good for us we were talking about this at the flood board meeting um the May flood board meeting.
Um, some of those changes are good for us. They take things that we used to have to have some paperwork about and now they were just exceptions, but there's an opportunity here where things are going to be under review for another
year. So, this the timing is really good to stay on that. you know, if those conversations are happening, this is not a time to let months slip by without a followup. Um, you're you're in the right
window to push that issue and to try to advance any changes that we can get through. Um, just sometimes things actually align in our favor and this might be one of those. So, thank you. Keep on that. I wanted to make sure that that was flagged. I know it'll probably
be discussed at the June flood board meeting also. And one other thing, I just wanted to offer one point of clarification on the Mars Canal Greenway. You knew I was going to be back up here when you were talking about that. Thank you, Councilman Big. Thank you, Councilman Hinton. Um,
when that greenway was put in, Trails Committee was already in existence. Trails Committee did not come into existence because of the greenway. We we've we were formed we formed ourselves um because the initial south end trails
were installed in 2014 into 2015 and that first summer they got so overgrown so fast. So trails committee was formed by a group of concerned residents as a subcommittee of open space because we did not want to see the first real
investment in the south end in in recreation infrastructure in the south end post Irene. We did not want to see that become something unmaintainable. Um we we wanted to see that last. So we
set up trails committee and the standard of care that Ed Merrill cuz he was still a burough employee at that point he helped us draft a standard of care. It was 3 ft wide natural arms reach overhead. That was the dimensions of what we are maintaining and keeping
clear on the south end trails. When the Mars Canal Greenway went in, I was very vocal to our liaison at the time that this is more than we can handle. This is beyond what we can do. Especially because it was not paved.
When the when the perusious asphalt was value engineered out of the project and they went to the gravel and then we used to come right up through the gravel that first summer that it was in existence. This this is a park. This is not a trail
the way that the south end trails are. This is not a primitive footpath. This is something more and it needs a higher level of maintenance. this is beyond what we can do >> and we've tried we acquired a piece of equipment uh volunteers
paid for repairs to that piece of equipment to try to to there was a like a weed whacker on steroids to try to maintain it but it was too much. So that's kind of I know the timer's off. I'll be just just a second. Um it it's
just more than we can really handle and you know we get complaints about it and we've been trying on it but from the beginning this was always a park more than a trail. So thank you.
>> Thank you >> Paul Bulby 12 Roma. Uh, a couple council meetings ago, I came before you um asking if there was something um that could be done about the $2,000 fee that the town is charging the Elks um for the installation, the electric sign, and I
know Jean Snape from the Elks has been in touch with the building department. Has it made it way to you guys yet? >> Okay. So, it's it's still between Gan and the building department then >> because Gene told me that he submitted a couple things back and forth, back and forth. So, >> okay.
I see no one else. Motion to close the public session. Motion >> second. >> Councilman Santers, Councilman Bennett. All in favor? >> Uh Lauren, I agree with you 100%. I got to say, Senator Ponacio has been on top of this, you know, with us. He he keeps these meetings moving along. He contacts the D constantly and says, "We need to
have another meeting on this. Um you didn't really give us the answers we needed to hear." And yes, some of those changes are beneficial to us. Um, but the problem is they're very vague on how they respond back to you when you ask how how should we do this. They say, "Oh, just give us a call." Well, then a
new guy comes in a year later and he says, "What do you mean just give a call? We're not going to do it that way. You need to fill out 17 pages of paperwork and pay a permit fee." So Joe is pushing for a a standard practice that we use that when we go to the to the D with these questions. So they
can't change their answers, you know, a year from now. But we do have this is I think our third meeting on this, right? So we we've had a couple meetings on it. So that's good. Um you know, going back to that conversation with the park park trail, you know, we and you were part of those conversations. You know, the
county came in with this great idea, but they didn't come in with any help with with the idea and and we are losing part of the trail, as you're well aware. Um and the D has now said you can't have you can't fix that part of the the trail. They said there's they don't want
us having a trail there. So that was completely different from what was said initially. Uh so we're going to have to give up that whole section along the river because they're they're not going to allow us to put rock back in. They said if anything we could put dirt back there. I you and myself know what happens soon as we put the dirt in
there. A flood comes through washes all the dirt away and we go we nothing. Unfortunately we're losing yardage of of space over there. Um, we'll have a meeting with DP, I mean with our own uh department and see what they can do. Um, and we'll have that conversation and
we'll get back to you. Paul, yes, I spoke to them about the permitting. Uh, and I told them what to do and I spoke to S. Uh, there are certain things we can wave and there's certain things we can't. Some of some of them are state regulated uh, fees that we can't wave. The part that we can wave, we will look at that and then it will come to us, but
I don't think they've gotten all the paperwork in yet that they need to. >> Okay. Um, okay. Where am I? Uh, proposed the floor. Anybody approve the floor? >> No, we have close session. Quick. >> Second. Yeah. Quick. I've always heard
that. Motion to uh go into close session. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Councilman B. Councilman Bennon. All in favor. >> I thank you everybody. Beautiful. In close session, we discussed the
negotiation. Um, motion to adjurnn. >> Motion. Councilman Bennon. Councilman Hen. All in favor? >> I against. >> I. >> Thanks everybody.