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from. >> Please turn off all cell phones. The agenda of the Pumpkin Lake Zoning Board of Adjustments, July 28th, 2026. The following is the agenda for the regular meeting of the Pumpin Lake

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Zoning Board of Adjustments. The meeting is to be held in the municipal building, 25 Lennox Avenue on Tuesday, July 28, 2026, beginning at 8:00 p.m. A written advance notice as required by NJSA

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10 semicolon 4-1 EDSAT has been provided of this meeting at least 48 hours in advance of today given the time, date, and location and to the extent known at the time the agenda of the meeting. Such notice stated that formal action may or

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may not be taken. This meeting will be video recorded and will be broadcast for later viewing for the public. The notice was posted on the bulletin board outside of the offices of municipal clerk reserved for this and similar

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announcements provided to the record the newspaper designated by the council and zoning board to receive such notices and filed with the burough clerk. Stand for the pledge of allegiance. Pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Taking a roll call, please. >> Mr. Hunt, >> here. >> Mr. V, >> here.

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>> Mr. Cos >> here. Miss Berntock, one marker absent. Mr. Rowan >> here. >> Mr. Kula >> here. >> Mr. Devonte, I'm marking absent. Mr. absent. Mr. Klouse >> here.

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>> Uh, Miss Hazelman here. Mayor Sarah absent. Councilman Bobby Cruz absent. And Mr. Andy Bor >> here. >> I believe Mr. Dvonti was excused because he did I saw a response. >> Yes, he's excused. Correct. I would put

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that >> I believe that goes down as absent and we would have to >> Yes. So absent. >> Yes. >> Change. Correct. [clears throat] >> Okay.

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>> Fair enough. >> Okay. uh regular meeting minutes from April 28, 2026 and May 2026. Everyone had a opportunity to read those minutes.

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Are there any changes or corrections to those minutes? Can I get a motion to accept those minutes? >> Motion to accept. >> Second. >> Roll call, please. >> Okay.

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and Mrs. Okay. Mr. Hunt, >> yes. >> Mr. B, >> yes. >> Mr. Cos, >> yes. >> Mr. Bowen, >> yes. >> Mr. Pula, >> yes. >> Uh, Mr. Klouse, >> yes. >> And Miss Peasman,

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>> yes. >> Okay, so we have some bills that need to be paid. Can I get a motion to approve the bills? >> I'll make a motion we pay the bills. I'll second it. >> Roll call.

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>> You want to do a roll call or >> do we do that? No. Right. >> No. >> No. So, I'm fine with that. >> So, all voted. >> All voted. >> All vote. >> All in favor? >> I I opposed. >> None.

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>> And I have a question. There was two minutes. There was uh >> April and you're accepting both. >> Correct. >> Just checking. >> Yep. No problem. >> Um ref. So we did that. Uh we have a

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bunch of correspondences from Elizabeth. >> Uh anybody has any questions feel free to uh inquire. Uh we will move now on to application BOA26-3. Maria 318 Doors Highway, Pumpkin Lakes.

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Are you here? >> Please come forward. Please remain standing. Raise your right hand. State your name. Spell your last. >> Maria and the last name is H like Carrie. A R E D like David. I >> Do you swear or affirm the testimony

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you'll give this evening before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So, help you God. >> Help me God. Yes, I swear. You can sit. Please have a seat. Okay. Uh why don't you uh describe for us your project and the variances that

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you're requesting um about your uh project that you're doing. >> Okay. Thank you very much for having the time in the rainy day. So all this started because I work in a hospital and obviously I live in a flooding zone. So,

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I've been for years trying to put this uh generator in case the electricity goes away. It will be a backup because I have a sound pump that I put, you know, and my poor neighbor keeps helping me whenever was a fluff thing that has not been done. But whenever I apply for the

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generator for me uh from the company that this gentleman I hired, we came and I was denied because I didn't know. This is what happened. I have my house that I bought with somebody that I used to work with, but she got married, so I bought

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her out. I don't remember really what year, but I obviously there was a fence there for years, right? And whenever she took over, I didn't really live in the house. When she got married, I took ownership and then the fence was there

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and the fence was about four feet. So that's why it was denied. And then I read that in the article in the Sony in February 2012, 21 that changed that the fence wouldn't be fit. But this fence

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has been there since, you know, we bought a house. Um, I bought this home from her. Like I say, on the papers, it says that in the survey paper that it was her and me and then I bought her out. I really tried my best whenever I

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was turned down to get a company that did the fence because it was assigned in the fence but it was a meal and I tried to call and whoever bought him out don't have any records because I guess he went out of business and then I also was contacted

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that's what he say they say and I spoke to a gentleman that his name is Dennis Contos that gave me a letter I'm sure you guys have it saying that he was okay with this because the fence was there before the

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um zoning change in 2021. So he didn't feel that there was any restriction for me. He was very nice and wrote a letter and I submitted that with the application that you guys probably has a copy. Um I have also Google pics

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from years before I'm sure you all have it. the defense was existing there and I you know didn't really know all this because I really never did any work in order to know that there was no permit

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for dispense in all in all my defense I should have asked her that but in those years when I bought her out my server server serve whoever does the thing didn't really find anything wrong with anything in the house so I you know and

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I knew her from work Mhm. >> So, here I am, you know, with a fence that is not supposed to be like that, but I just find out that that was I don't know, you can say that infringing the law and I don't want to do that, of course. So, you know, I'm just asking

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that since this was there before 2021 when the thing changed that you guys allow me to keep the fence because all this happened just because I wanted to put a generator that I bought for this gentleman. Okay, >> that's it. >> Okay,

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>> that's my little case. I'm sorry to take all this. >> Um, okay. So, so what you're saying is that fence that is there currently, that fence has been there for whatever number of years. Yeah. And you

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have no way of going back to the company that erected it. >> I did try. >> I I understand. Um so even though you tried um there's no one uh available to give you >> a permit >> permit when they >> or a copy >> copy

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>> and when I came you know obviously the town didn't have a copy of the permit so >> well right so that leads us to where if it's not on the record um the permit um it was probably not um obtained when

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they installed. Yeah, I I I based based on what I understand about how they uh get records and how we were able to go back many many many years uh to get something. Um and uh so uh it would have been on [ __ ] u.

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>> Yes, I normally >> um Okay, so with that uh so your issue is a couple of things, right? to have a a sideyard setback and a front uh I'm sorry, a front yard uh coverage and also

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a front yard uh you're supposed to have 30 yard uh 30 ft. You only have 12. >> I I don't have a fence on that one though. >> No, but I'm saying it based on what you were denied for. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, when you read what you were

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denied for, um it's a defense uh rear and side. Okay. Um, so and it also says your bulk requirement is your front yard. You're proposing a 12 foot and you're required is third.

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That's what you were denied for. >> That's what she said. >> You can't if you want to provide testimony, you need to come forward so that you could be sworn in. >> Sure. That's >> if you're okay with that. >> Yes, of course. He, you know, he has helped me a lot because he's the one that I got agent that has nothing to do

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with >> Let me let me let me swear. Let me swear you in. Please remain standing. Please raise your right hand. State your name. Spell your last number. B O L T E. >> First name. >> Michael. >> Keep your hand up. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you'll give this evening before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but

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the truth to help you got? >> Yes, I do. >> Does she need to um supply us with his fact? the the the front of the house is over 30 ft before she hits the side before

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she hits the side her where her rear is. So the fence starts at the rear of her property was at the back of the park. It's a it's a it's a corner lot. >> It's a corner. Yes. [laughter] Consider corner lot as a front. >> That means there's two front yards. >> Yes, I know that.

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>> So the setback from the front side in other words of >> No, but there's two fronts. Which one? Do highway or central? the left the left side which is >> say the street name. >> Okay. The street name. Let me let me >> Central Avenue. >> Central Avenue. >> Central Avenue. >> Central Avenue. >> Correct.

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>> Central Avenue on the side of Central Avenue. Her fence actually starts in the rear of her yard cuz she has a pool that full that fence is the over 5t has been there because the code required at that time for a 5ft fence to be there. So

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it's always been there. So it's on the original survey. It's never changed. The only thing that may have changed through the course, and look, I'm a contractor and I know there's times things fall through the cracks. Um,

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I'm just saying to you that that fence is there. Um, the D didn't have any problems with it. They didn't see any restrictions with it because we have to go from here to D. Um, and [clears throat] you know, I don't see her having to take

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down a fence with a pool in the yard that's been there since 1950. >> Well, I can tell you I don't see a survey that says that that fence has been there. >> Oh, it's Oh, here. It's right here. >> It's It's in here. >> Oh, yeah. It's in there. >> Okay. And I missed it. >> Okay. It's in It's in there. It actually

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shows It says a fence over five over 5t at that time. That's the way they classified things back in the 50 because it had to be over 5 ft in order for you. >> Yeah, I submit I submitted a survey because when I was denied they told me they wanted a service. So >> it should be there.

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>> It should be there. >> If you want to have larger >> Okay. So is the food in there. So the the question in hand is number one, we want to make sure that the protection of anybody and children especially um that

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they're protected that they can't get over the parents. That's number one. Um, so and I believe she meets the the setback from the street back on a sidewalk as a front lot because her property, in other words, is 12 ft maybe

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to or maybe 14 ft from the sidewalk to the house and then from the house she got another 20some feet. And I was also advised to because I in the flat zone to go to the that was the main thing when I was in it to go to the D.

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>> Mhm. >> And that's why I went over backwards to write them and apply and I think you have the copy of the D, right? >> Yes. Yes. And and and Dennis felt that he didn't feel that to charge her any more money. another. So he felt that

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you know the fence fell within that at that time it fell within their their scope. So it did it didn't not fit it it's criteria. >> Okay. Now there is something else on here saying 90 190-4 floodway. Um

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there it's another reason why uh you were denied permit. >> Yes. But we went to the D. >> So the D felt that I understand. I'm just reading the document that was presented. >> Okay. >> And it says must comply with New Jersey

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D permit by rule. >> So Andrew D permit by rule. >> A D permit by rule. They have regulations which uh say what you can and can't do in areas in public. if you

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can demonstrate certain things and I don't have them here. I'm not your attorney. Um, and typically it's done by an engineer, but if you can demonstrate that you qualify because all of those facts exist in your property, then as

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long as that demonstration goes to the building code official, you don't have to go to DP. The rule says as long as you can demonstrate these facts, then you're then you are qualified for it. I don't know if that is the case. That's what permit by rule means. Yes, but we but we did file for the D to get

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clearance >> for one thing. I think the D letter would be the D letter. They they felt that the flood way the floodway she was clear of the floodway the distance for that which was required for the floodway was not inhindered by her [laughter]

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>> and I spoke I spoke to Dennis clearly >> flood hazard permit area flood flood hazard area permit >> yes >> that was and so Dennis wrote a letter personal letter it's in there >> who's Dennis >> Dennis from the D

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he's the one who control it >> Dennis choice. >> Yes. >> So, we were cleared by the D. Okay. [clears throat] Oh, please. when you have let's let's let's just tackle

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the the violations one by one. [cough] [clears throat] The front yard proposed 12 ft required 30 ft. What item is it that is 12 ft from the front yard? The house the h the

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house the house is based from in other words your sidewalk to the front yard then from the front from the the front of the house which is considered scope front of the house 30 ft back in other words shows where the fence starts and

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that's her rear portion of the yard where the pool is located. It doesn't say on the denial. Denial seems to say it's the PBC fence. >> We are in sideyard. So I I I this is not saying what

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>> s says that there is something that you're putting 12 ft from a front in the front yard. >> Front yard. >> And there's two of them. One central and one in doors. >> Right. >> What is 12? He's going. Is it the house that existing? Is that what we're saying? >> Yes. >> Okay.

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>> The house is 12 ft of dogs. It looks like it's 124 from central. >> Yeah. Oh, sorry. Central. >> Yeah. And then that would means the generator would be a little closer than 124. >> That part is cut off on the little thingy. >> Yes. >> Oh, we never need a generator.

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>> The generator generator is going inside the inside. >> So, she told us we cannot put it. >> Okay. The drawing here shows us nothing was put in. >> We're going to we're going to the driveway. >> Okay. >> We have to be clear. Oh, no. Told us where to put it

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>> and I didn't do nothing until we came here >> and he and he told he told us to go to >> But he gave us a permit of course. >> Yes. He he told us to go to the D and that's what [clears throat] we did and we got the clearance from Dennis saying there was no restrictions. He felt there wasn't enough floodway that the criteria

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of the fence meets what was required. [laughter] I don't understand what is that being proposed properly. What is it? I that's my problem. So the the house is there that's not being

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proposed. No, the house is exactly it's already >> I think it was the generator Susan before she left may have not made that clear on the denial letter but then that should have been cleared before >> yes clear. So then can I

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>> Yes sure ask a question. >> Sure. >> The picture here. >> Okay. So was the generator going to go here? >> Yes. Yes. It was going to be in front of the Yes. But he told us no. >> He told me because that's the reason. Okay.

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>> Yes. That's why we >> That's what he's talking about. Generator. >> Mhm. And you're saying that >> was here. So where is the generator now? And exact.

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>> Yeah. >> Two questions. Where is the generator and exactly how far back from a front property line is it? >> It's going to be located to the rear of the house inside the driveway on the driveway side >> where the steps are going to be told

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>> where he told us to put it >> that that doesn't mean a single thing to me. >> How far will it be from a front lot? >> Oh, hold on a minute. So, the driveway is on the opposite side. >> That's correct. So, that's the side door.

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that. Okay. >> So, he said, "Mike, this is where you need to place it. You either place it in the rear of the ark >> or you place it in the driver's seat." He gave us >> somewhere it should have been stipulated that that's what you're doing.

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>> So, that the denial >> so that you would have mapped exactly what you're doing right now. That's not what this is saying. Yeah. >> The denial is for the fence. because of the floodway of Daws and

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>> it's too close to the middle of the road. >> This is what >> it's not the generate cuz it's the application for permit for the PVC fence. >> Yeah. >> Yes. But this application was based on the PV fence PVC fence wasn't there and

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I brought the original survey that showed there wasn't over 5T fence there. >> Uh no, I'm just looking at the denial. Right. >> Right. And if you look at other houses that we're not going to bring other clients in there, but other houses in that area have the same,

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>> but they need like they for generator. She's applying for the generator. She's doing the things properly getting and she doesn't want to be punished for it. >> Does the generator work when underwater? >> It's going to be 3 ft high. It'll be 30 in high.

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>> He told us to elevate it. He even make us with a special company elevate it. Right. I I'm familiar with generics. I just didn't have I'll have a I'll have a what they call a hurricane stand. >> Okay. And just for up to 125 mph wind.

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>> The generator was approved. >> Yes. >> But then once they that got approved, then the denial is because of the fence. They found out the fence was there and that >> and that's why this whole denial. >> Yes. >> The denials on the fence for the pre-existing fences.

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>> That's is what they're saying. >> Yes. Okay. and where the where and where the the generator was going to go. >> Right. Correct. Right. Previously, >> that's correct. >> So, he felt that the generator was too close to the front. >> So, he told me where to put it at.

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>> But the place I I didn't do it yet. >> We don't have anything >> showing us where you're going to put the generator though. I think that would >> Well, the gener hold on hold on. >> But the generator was approved.

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>> Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay, gotcha. >> So, if the generator was approved, that's not part of this, >> right? The did not >> they should have taken that out of there. >> Well, apparently it wasn't. That's not

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>> Okay. The only thing on the notice is to permit if the fence may uh be in front yard provided that should not exceed 4 ft height measure from the ground to be constructed 50% open. That's the only thing they're asking

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for. That's the only thing that they gave notice of. That's the only thing that you can provide. They can get them correct >> is to approve the fence where it is. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Yes. So that's that's what we're based on because it's been there since >> and Okay. And one second here.

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>> Unless you have the ordinance. Not tell me that you know it. Unless you have the ordinance that demon that demonstrates when the ordinance changed that made it conforming to non-conforming >> you and they haven't asked for a a c certification of pre-existing

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non-conforming use. They haven't they haven't told the world that they want grandfathered. They said they want a variance. So you can grant a variance for the existing fence if you choose. You can't what the justification of it's been there a long time. The grandfather they haven't noticed that. They haven't said that that was approved nor have

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they shown the ordinance which made it non-conforming once it was and yet it used to be conforming. So the only thing you can do if you want is to grant them a variance for the fences there. Okay. >> That's already there. >> That's already there.

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>> When can I ask a question to my last question maybe in his D letter he >> who's not who's he? >> Mr. Dennis Quto >> the D. Okay. gentleman when I zoom in a little did he say something about that?

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>> He can't say anything about granting a variance. He can only say >> no I mean the son that was done at that time when whenever the fence was put he didn't mention that right >> who's he >> Mr. Dennis Quant Dennis he doesn't

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matter cuz >> he's the DP not the local >> okay >> before before they had to go for this >> the zoning officer would apply for all that >> and this year and this year we had to apply >> I

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>> so may I ask a question on the survey this survey the only date I see on this is 1992 >> do you have any survey that shows where the map is the map where the fence is 1992. February 2nd, 1992. February 2nd.

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Um, in other words, 1950, >> right? And >> well, this says February of 1992. As far as what I was, >> that's that's when the house was that's when the house was bought. That house, the pool and everything is the same that's there. Everything that's

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there is the same. If you look at that, there's a fence that goes all the way around. >> Yeah. But this, this was a stockade fence on in 198. >> Yes. was over 6 ft. >> Okay. But how do I know that the fence that I'm looking at, which is a PVC, is at the same exact place that these

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fences. >> It It was the same place that >> I don't know that. >> Okay. You don't have a survey then showing that. >> No, we didn't we didn't we didn't do >> because I bought her out and whenever >> you bought it and you didn't get a survey >> because I Your name is on here. >> Yes. >> Yes. But it went back to the original.

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So when she got it, the fence was there. So, what I'm trying to say is that it was there. So, I guess they didn't require a survey. They should have required a survey. Now, they require every time they close a home. >> And I knew her and I just bought her out because she was getting married. So, I

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just bought her out. [clears throat] >> Well, I I I just would like clarity on where the fence line is and you know what exactly the fence line is today. >> I can't say that this is exactly the same layout. Um I was there today. I

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looked at the pictures and >> um but when I'm when I see this sidewalk here, I don't know what the distance is between the sidewalk and the fence on this map. I can't read this map. I'm sorry. The survey is just too small.

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>> Is there a better copy? >> I can give you my larger copy. >> He can see it >> because he make us measure it. >> I made a larger copy. You can see you can see that [clears throat] the X's going all the way around. >> Pass it down. That's it. Yep. I start

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here. Yep. >> You see the access that go all the way around, goes down the back, down the side, and then across to the back of the property. This is the central highway. All right. Well, this is clearly showing me something different

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than what I saw today because this fence line here is more forward cuz it's it's touching the house. >> It is touching the house. >> Yeah. No, but it's actually uh there's a window on the side of your

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house which according to this diagram, it is not in front of that. I'm I'll mess. [clears throat] >> You have a window on this side of your house. So, there's uh three windows, I believe, or two at

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least two windows on that side of the house. Over here, there's a window and your fence is up here. Oh, okay. >> This shows it here. This all of your setbacks are showing differently than

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what what is actually there. >> All right. So, it so it's it's it's a few feet forward here then. So, but what I'm getting at, it's been a 6ft fence the whole time. So, for her, no matter what we do, it has to be protected for a pool. It has to meet pool standards. And

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it's been pool standards. And actually this shows it further this way and the fence has been pulled back. So but a few feet and pulled back doesn't mean anything. >> No, no. So I'm saying >> numbers do numbers. >> But here's what I'm saying. If you look

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at this here, it's shown closer to the sidewalk. It looks like it's hard to tell with the survey to be honest with you. >> But I understand what you're saying here. >> Okay. >> But this has always been the same here. But the thing of it is is that we're looking at documents.

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>> Okay. So, all [clears throat] right. So, Hold on. Hold on, sir. Give me an opportunity. >> Okay. You can you can go ahead and sit back up. It's okay. Sit back, sir. >> Sir, sit back up. The issue is this survey that was

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brought in here for testimony does not depict what is there. And we have a problem. >> Okay. >> Looking at this comparing it to what is being given testimony to

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>> So the only way to get >> So I just don't want to >> understood. >> I I that's why I'm here. I you know I >> whatever you tell me to do I'll do. I just >> Exactly. >> Okay.

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>> I just all this because I wanted a generator. But I don't want to and comply to of course the law, you know. >> Sure. Sure. >> He He's just trying to help me, but I just don't want to go against whatever. >> Mhm. >> They have discussion at this point, but

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our feelings. >> Well, let's get all the testimony out there first. >> Okay. >> No, I don't. Maria, I'm looking I'm looking at the distance from here to here. It's actually 27 ft plus balance of the house. So it's way beyond what

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the requirements are here. So if we need to do another survey, we will do another survey to show that it's this point, but it still meets past the ser past the requirements. [clears throat] >> Okay. Uh so yes, >> are you done with your testimony? Okay.

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So at this point, uh we're going to open it up to discussion. >> Sure. on the board uh to talk about this application. Would you like to go first? >> Yeah. So, go. I [clears throat] just like to say that I I visited the property. I looked around the area. Um I

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have no problem with the doors highway part even with it in front of the window that it's there. I I thought that that actually was okay. Looked at traffic. Uh the the only thing and I you know what's actually on paper is uh what what I

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actually saw was actually better. I mean one of the problems I'm I'm seeing is these fences that are coming right to the sidewalk. >> Yes. Um, you know, in this case with the testimony that they gave, as long as it's true that the fence was uh uh prior

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to 2021 or 2011, they said that that they're stating that this change for the 6oot, >> but >> according to Wasn't that Yeah. So, we don't have anything on there. >> That's not That's not what you're >> I don't know the height

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of other fences that were there if they were conforming at the time. don't know the exact height of this one and I don't have the date that the ordinance went into effect which made it non-conformable. So that's that's the problem. Nor did they nor did they tell the world with their notice that they

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were looking for a grandfather for you to make a finding that their offense used to be conforming and now it's not. >> All right. >> So that's not I I can't imagine. I'm just going to say this then >> because we we've had we've looked at

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variances for fences and heights and I would support the that this particular situation is not uh is is it's fitting for the circumstances that are here with uh the the pool being there. I mean, if there was no pool there, this is a whole

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different story. Um, uh, and I I I didn't see that it presented any real offensive problem other than, like I said, what I'm concerned about sometimes is when people use other examples and we see these that are right on the sidewalk. That's where

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I really get um, concerned. And the fact that it's back a little bit was to me actually more more pleasant. That's that's my input. >> Thank you. Because it is it is back. Thank you. >> I'm glad that you went today. Yes. So I think cuz that helps sometimes. >> I I live over there.

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>> Oh yeah. >> So I know exactly where your mother is. So I I I also was there and I also as it keeps >> one thing is to see in paper. Another is to see it. >> I live in on Washington. So I am in a

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flood zone as well. So there's a whole lot of things that we have to do because of it. >> So go ahead. Anybody else have any >> just this is more a question for the buyer but if we were to approve anything without a any kind of correct survey doesn't that kind of leave it if something happens in the future there's

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no real record to >> that's the problem I don't exactly know how far that fence is and you don't know the exact height you're asking for all they can ask for is a variance so you want to bend the rules not not a grandfather but you still don't know exactly how high don't know what we're bending it's that that's what they're

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saying you have to grant variance not for that but for a certain height Yeah. >> On the exact time that it is there. >> Yes. >> I would suggest that that the applicant come back with a a new survey showing exactly what's there so that if you do

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come to an approval. I just want to voice that I support it in theory what what's going on there. But I I don't see how we can technically say that we approve anything without knowing exactly where the fence lines are.

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I think yeah, it seems to me we couldn't approve a document that's incorrect. Agree. >> Yeah, the application needs to be correct. >> What you're saying? >> Stand by. >> Okay. Anyone would like to add?

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>> No, I'm just listening. Anybody else? >> Anybody here like >> I I did drive by. >> Yep. >> Um the fence is a foot from the sidewalk. But my biggest problem with fences are

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a blocking of vision at an intersection, which this does not occur. Either fences, shrubs, whatever. >> Mhm. because there's too many properties in town where you have to go into the

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crosswalk >> to be able to see on >> this isn't that >> you don't have that >> and this is not >> okay >> you have anything >> I think that if we got the proper site map and it doesn't block traffic but

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that way it just proves it was there and was up to code whenever it got built and if you're still friends with the other person if they have any other receipts or anything of when >> I she I don't know what state she said I tried to contact her I did try everybody

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even the person that banello and they don't have any records they say my my bad you know I mean I shouldn't >> well if you've lived there for a while if you have pictures from the backyard for whenever that would show us what was there and >> I tried to go to Google and we have a

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lot yeah it's >> back to 2009 So that that was there. Anelo put his name on it. So if a man puts his name on it, >> it's a calling card. >> I agree. But if >> as a contractor >> to the best of my knowledge, Enelo is

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still in business. >> I called. >> We called them. >> But someone bought him out. >> They don't have they don't have the records that >> because it wasn't Anelo, the one in 23, but the other brother. >> Yeah. Okay. It was two. I I don't know what I You know what I mean? they have

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applied and then he went alone and that's what they told me the other time. >> All right. So, at this point, I'm going to open up to the public to ask questions regarding your testimony in the feedback. And since there is no one

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here, I'm going to close that session. All right. Um it is from what I'm hearing uh it is the recommendation um that you come back with a survey that actually depicts what it is that you do

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and what it is there. Okay? Because this does not do that. Your fence is different than what's pictured here. >> So I have to con >> what I would say to you is >> get a server. Um, we're suggesting, >> okay, >> that you get a survey that will depict

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exactly what you're doing >> and then submit that >> and then come back to the board. >> Do I have to go to the home application? >> No, this is continued. No, no, >> continued. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, get a survey. >> Get

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>> tells you where the fence is going to be and how high it is. >> Surveyor. >> Okay. >> Where where is going to be surrounded? where where it is. That's where it is. I'm sorry. Where where it currently is >> and how high it is. >> Both those things need to be on that. >> Right. >> Okay. >> So, this will be carried. So, you don't

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have to do >> all the things that I did. >> All right. >> Okay. >> So, if you're in agreement with that, otherwise you can ask the board to uh take a vote and if it >> But they're saying they don't have

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enough information. So, >> that's correct. We're saying that we don't have enough. We'll we'll get you the information you want so we can come back and be done >> and and I'll have a resolution early on. So if it comes in and everybody's happy, it could be done the same night. >> Okay. So I have to contact a server and then go through that and then bring it

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back to you guys. So and then you're going >> and if hopefully if you can get it done for next meeting you can >> Oh yeah. Yeah. I'll call them tomorrow. >> Come right back. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you very much. That's fairly well. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay. All right. Thank you for all your help. Thank you.

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>> So, hold on to your packets. Okay. >> Um, >> you need to hire a licensed surveyor. >> You need to hire a licensed surveyor. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yeah. Michael.

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>> So, we have uh no resolutions. Yeah, updated some. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> Um, new unfinished business, >> Mr. Cops, do you have anything? >> Huh?

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>> Do you have anything to report from open space or there was no environmental protection meeting >> and it was a quick open space meeting because there's nothing new going on right now. The uh two big projects

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the ball fields, the new ball fields down at little grill field. They're all done. The kids got to play on this thing. Back in April, it didn't look like they would be ready cuz the side had to take and everything, but it took and the kids played on. And the other big one was the Kersville Park bridge

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that's open and they're going to name it after our former colleague Steve B's dad. It's going to be >> Oh, how fantastic. All right. Fantastic. >> There'll be a ribbon cutting ceremony and They're going to post that, right? They're going to do that. >> Hopefully they pick a maybe a weekend or

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after hours this way. >> Yeah. >> Post can attend. >> That um and Karen got it open before summer camp or somebody was going to get strangled. [laughter] And uh I said it was nothing new yet. So

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that was really the only two things. Okay. So I have a report for you next month. >> Thank you. I will open the meeting to the public. Since there's no one in the public, I will close that.

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>> I get a motion for a German. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. There was one more thing. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Can we reopen? We can reopen. >> You didn't You didn't vote. >> I didn't vote yet. >> Go ahead. >> Um there's no sidewalk between Chalin Court and all the way down to Jefferson.

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And that's going to be that's going to be another project coming up cuz you cannot you have to walk in the street on that side and if you're on the other side of the road you got to walk along the fence and the guardrail. So either way, you're walking in the road a few. >> Can I ask a question? When they I heard

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about that. And why aren't they putting the sidewalk on the side of the lake rather than going along everyone's property through the parking garages of the apartments

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>> then down then it drops right off and like a bulkhead would have to be built and the price would be >> the price would be too much >> ginormous as I said >> plus that's a the repairarian zone there for the lake sort of >> right. So you got to get the DP probably

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involved and everything else. >> So they can >> just go tell people uh we're taking 5T of your yard there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I heard rumors of that and people are none too happy over there. >> Actually it's I don't know why it wasn't

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addressed 50 years ago. Learn more, you know. Well, if you if you on if you're heading up Lakeside Avenue towards Lakeside School >> towards Lakeside School, there's no driveway. There's no walkways on all those.

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>> There's a fence there right along the curb, too. >> Right. And but there is a sidewalk on the lake. >> We cross by this by the crosswalk. >> Oh, yes, there is. There's from from the gazbo all the way up to Lakeside School. >> Oh, yeah. But not before that. race.

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>> No, no, you're correct. >> The crosswalk right by Chross to where the sidewalk starts. >> My in-laws live right there. >> Yeah. >> So, I I've been around this area for forever. >> It's crazy trying to walk kids and dogs from the bridge.

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>> And it's And it's not the only spot in town that both sides don't have sidewalks. >> Just I said the one side you can't even get up against the fence or the guardrails. Somebody's coming. way [laughter] that going though.

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>> Okay. Uh so we will continue to adjourn the meeting that we got our people that are >> the um field is getting redone too. They're doing the stadium soon. >> Oh yes. But that's >> and the home side is going to be on the

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other side. >> Yes. And then the visitor side's going to be on closer to the river side. that that's next in between the seasons. >> I didn't hear about that one. >> That's not an open space project, but I did hear about that, too. >> That's probably board of ed. >> Yeah, cuz the board of ed owns that

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property. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> she is correct. >> She is correct. [laughter] >> I believe we just say all in favor. >> All in favor? [laughter] >> Thank you everyone.

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>> That's not yet. I thought some of it was open to Instagram.