WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=lgpW0xMWCJY Part: 1 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:18.880 Testing one two three testing. >> Okay. Formal written advance notice as required by NJSA 10 col4-1X has been provided of this meeting at least 48 hours in advance of today giving the time date and location and to 2 00:00:18.880 --> 00:00:35.600 the extent known at the time of the agenda of this meeting. Such notice stated that formal action may or may not be taken. The notice was posted on the bulletin board outside of the offices of the municipal clerk reserved for this and other similar announcements provided to the record the newspaper designated by 3 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:52.320 the burough council to receive such notices and file with the burough clerk. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation 4 00:00:52.320 --> 00:01:10.640 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> May we have a roll call, please? >> Yes. Mr. Simone >> here. >> Uh, Mr. Otto >> here. >> Mr. Tro >> here, >> Dr. Pendster >> here, 5 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:25.360 >> Mr. Baldi >> here, >> Mr. Keing is out, Mr. Budon >> here, >> Mr. Foster is out, we have Councilman Sant >> here, >> and Mayor Sarah >> here. Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. First item on the agenda is the minutes from the regular 6 00:01:25.360 --> 00:01:43.759 meeting of February 17 20. No. Yeah. February. >> Did we have it? Mhm. Yeah. Okay. 7. Yeah. February 17th. Sorry. March that we didn't have. >> Yep. >> Okay. Did everybody get a chance to review the minutes? And if so, what is your pleasure? >> Motion to accept. 7 00:01:43.759 --> 00:02:00.240 >> Motion by Mr. Tro. Second. Second by. Okay. That was Mr. we and anyone have any questions, comments. Um, all in favor signify by saying I. >> I. 8 00:02:00.240 --> 00:02:17.120 >> Any opposed? Any abstensions? >> Everybody here was at the meeting. Okay. Okay. Item for approval of bills for Collier's engineering and design. There's one bill for $195. 9 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:32.560 Do we have to do these individually or we can do as a group? >> Um, well, it's not in a consent agenda, so it's not formally all put together, but if someone has a question about any of 10 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:49.040 them, then we can pull them out. >> If you want, you can do them all. >> Well, let's let's do them all at once, and then if anybody has a question about any one of them, please say so. Marziti Falcon Legal Services. There's four bills total of 24.9750. 11 00:02:49.040 --> 00:03:05.200 And then um Dermalowski Engineering Services. There are four bills for a total of $10,375. Um motion to approve bills. 12 00:03:05.200 --> 00:03:22.000 >> Motion, Mr. Sanders. Second. >> Second. >> Second by Mr. Okay. Any discussion on the bills or questions about them? >> Okay. Uh, need a roll call, please. >> Yes. >> Mr. Smooth. >> Yes. 13 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:39.120 >> Mr. Otto. >> Yes. >> Mr. Trost. >> Yes. >> Dr. Pendexter. >> Yes. >> Mr. Gold. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Yes. 14 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:58.239 >> I said no. Yes. >> Okay. Next item is correspondence. There's a bunch of them here tonight. Uh ordinance 2608, an ordinance amending chapter 190 articles 15,16 and 17 concerning affordable housing, including set aides 15 00:03:58.239 --> 00:04:13.920 and development fees to address obligations under the Fair Housing Act. and ordinance number 2607, an ordinance amending chapter 190 article 14A pertaining to the block 100 lot 8 redevelopment plan which is legal 16 00:04:13.920 --> 00:04:30.080 in the Palm Lakes town square. Uh we have Burough Bloomingdale with an ordinance for exclusionary housing districts and a zoning ordinance a burrow of Oakland. There's uh two ordinances there 17 00:04:30.080 --> 00:04:46.320 for zoning and introduction. And under Wayne, we have one, two, three, four ordinances there. Um B of Oakland, one, two, three, four ordinances there. Um 18 00:04:46.320 --> 00:05:10.240 does anyone have any questions about any of those ordinances? They are basically the equivalent of what we're doing in many cases uh particularly with the um affordable housing. Okay, moving on. Applications we have none. Resolutions 19 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:26.960 we have none. No conceptual plans under new business. Ordinance number 26-11. An ordinance repealing ordinance 26-05 amending chapter 190 article 4 of the municipal code of the burough pmpton 20 00:05:26.960 --> 00:05:43.520 lakes to address the burough's affordable housing obligations under the fair housing act and the uniform housing affordability control 430 to 460 Montclair Avenue. Um, this affects a property at the end of 21 00:05:43.520 --> 00:06:01.600 Broad Street. Um, it apparently was changed in zone, didn't need to be changed in zone because it wasn't affordable housing and u the the council attorney had um um I guess requested 22 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:18.639 that the council uh revoked that approval. So this is uh us saying that we believe it is consistent or inconsistent um with the master plan and that's all we have to do tonight. Sarah, do you want to fill us in any further on how 23 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:34.720 that goes? >> Yeah. So what happened was uh this I guess portion Montclair A uh was designated for affordable housing but it didn't need to so it was anyways. And 24 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:51.120 then the way that the uh municipality noticed this uh affordable housing portion they uh it was done incorrectly. So this ordinance is doing two things. It's reverting 25 00:06:51.120 --> 00:07:06.240 Montclair a back to what it was zoned as before uh which is fine because it was kind of extra for affordable housing. And then it's also kind of fixing that notice error because it's going back to what it was. So it won't be an issue. 26 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:23.599 >> So it's a repeal of the previous ordinance that was approved. >> Yes. And it's just going back to >> Mayor, did you have any you wanted to add to that? >> Yeah. The only reason we're doing that is at the time we put that ordinance together, one of the properties that we were putting in for affordable housing hadn't given us the 27 00:07:23.599 --> 00:07:41.280 official okay to use it. So just to be safe, there is a date. This is timesensitive information. We put this in there in case they came back and said no. They came back and said yes to what we wanted. So, we don't need to have that. >> So, what we're basically looking for is 28 00:07:41.280 --> 00:07:59.440 a motion for this being consistent with the master plan. >> Mhm. >> And there's an or draft ordinance that you have >> from uh Andy Brewer and it's basically just saying that we don't find that what they did was inconsistent with the master plan. So, with with that said, do 29 00:07:59.440 --> 00:08:15.599 you have any questions about what we're trying to do here? And if not, then I'm going to take a motion in a second. We'll quote unquote formally discuss it and then make that vote. >> I'll make the motion. >> Okay, Mr. Toast. >> I'll second. 30 00:08:15.599 --> 00:08:31.039 >> Mr. Otto. Okay. Do we have any questions or comments on this motion? This We're not doing an ordinance. You're doing a motion to say whether or not this is consistent or inconsistent. And Tim, 31 00:08:31.039 --> 00:08:48.160 you're uh you're voting for in for consistent with the master plan. >> Correct. >> Consistent. >> Not inconsistent. >> Not inconsistent. I love that. >> It's consistent. >> In the world of double negatives, we get >> So, does this mean this property will be 32 00:08:48.160 --> 00:09:06.240 available for potentially the next round of affordable housing 10 years? interested. Okay. The way we understand that the gentleman who owns this property um open space was kind of interested in this hot also and they he said I have no interest in selling it for that number. Um you know he wants to 33 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:22.800 make some money on this I'm guessing. So he might develop it himself or he might do something with it or if it's still sitting there the next round I guess. >> What it ends up being is um just going back to what it was before they made the 34 00:09:22.800 --> 00:09:38.480 change. So it doesn't really, you know, modify or affect anything except say it it it goes back to the way it was and then the guy can develop it any way he wants to consistent with the zoning if he comes to the appropriate board to get relief 35 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:55.200 >> or approval. And that's basically it. Any other questions or comments? I need a roll call vote, please. >> This is for finding of consistent with the master plan. Yes, >> Mr. Simone. >> Yes, >> Mr. Otto. >> Yes, 36 00:09:55.200 --> 00:10:11.440 >> Mr. Tro. >> Yes, >> Dr. >> Yes, >> Mr. Baldi. >> Yes, >> Mr. >> Yes, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. The only other thing left is um 37 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:28.000 public session, which I'll open it and close it since there are no one from the public here. And mayor, I would ask you if there's uh anything that you can add to Everybody knows we started having a meeting with you on one or two of them with the planner and the uh engineer 38 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:44.720 about the redevelopment guidelines that we want to put in place the projects. So, we've had um I think two meetings where we have members of the redevelopment board, members of this board, members of of the council on there with uh our planner, and she's made some very interesting suggestions 39 00:10:44.720 --> 00:11:00.800 that they're kind of debating back and forth to make it consistent a consistent plan moving forward. It's not saying every building is going to be blue or every building is going to be yellow, but this is the idea of what we're looking for. We know shapes for sizes and setback colors, but there's a lot of 40 00:11:00.800 --> 00:11:16.079 discussion going back and forth with this. She actually had a pretty lengthy um presentation with the last committee doing it online. We do one for one a month. Once that gets cleared out, there was some good suggestions made by the members. She's going to put that in and then it'll be brought to you guys also 41 00:11:16.079 --> 00:11:32.320 to take a look at to kind of figure out. But what this is is trying to have a road map as we move forward to redevelop. Um that doesn't mean people can't be individual and do what they have to do but you know we want to kind of set some standards. So I think that's 42 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:47.440 so it was a good group and it's a good meeting. Uh the other only other thing I had and I called Mike about it. Um and it wasn't anybody's fault on this board, but we had an issue with the Meridian project just today and yesterday when they went to do the paving in the front 43 00:11:47.440 --> 00:12:02.720 of the uh project, it was okay to put just regular cement in, not the brick from the streetscape, and that wasn't in the plan that was set for. But that really isn't up to you guys to figure out. That would have been the engineer at the time should have 44 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:17.920 said this should have been a standard the rest of the street to match. Um luckily after some conversation back and forth with Lydia they agreed to let us they'll put in the stone at additional cost but they were ready they had the cement trucks there today just cement it 45 00:12:17.920 --> 00:12:34.399 um and that would look horrible and and we had people but rightly so bought it you know you would have had brick cement back to the brick again. Uh, so you know, at the time we had a different engineering firm. They were the ones inspecting that. They should have caught that. They didn't. And the other thing I just want to remind this board because 46 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:50.560 this board did decide this. We did look up the minutes on this. On Babcock's side, you guys wanted more greenery, which is fine. So, they're putting a sidewalk in on that side and then grass around the sidewalk. Um, so if you remember how it was before, what the 47 00:12:50.560 --> 00:13:07.040 theater is now, it goes from the one side to the street all sidewalk. Now there's just going to be a sidewalk with some trees. I think a couple trees and some grass. That was part of the plan that was sent over from you guys. Um somebody questioned if that's if that was accurate and that was accurate. So I 48 00:13:07.040 --> 00:13:22.800 just want to make everybody aware of that. >> Does that area get any sunlight? >> You know, I don't know. You know, I I you know, so long ago I probably most years ago, you know, I got to believe we discussed it at that time. I just don't remember. 49 00:13:22.800 --> 00:13:40.000 That's between the two buildings. >> Badcock the road going into between the theater and >> theater on one side and the >> So on the side of the building there used to be where Sujan's building used to be. It used to go from Sujan's building right to sidewalk all the way to the uh curb. Now there's going to be 50 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:55.040 just a sidewalk with grass on both sides of it. And and tree plantings somewhere in there. The other thing um to keep in mind, I did the bid did reach out to me. They want to make sure we put the right 51 00:13:55.040 --> 00:14:11.440 trees in in those areas so they don't block the views of the front of the windows. We've had we've actually had to take a couple of the trees down. I don't if you guys are aware in front of some stores that are complaining they blocked their signage and things like that. So, we just got to make sure we don't have trees that cover both the ground but 52 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:26.639 kind of glue on top. >> Then don't disrupt the the sidewalk underneath. >> Yes. >> Yes. That's why >> Bill, did you want to add anything from the meeting >> regarding this the standard? And I know I missed the meeting cuz I was confused about when it was actually happening in 53 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:41.360 the morning or afternoon or whatever too. they did have >> regardless um is that is there anything that can be done in that that 54 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:57.519 and I don't want to say forces but um >> encourages >> encourages property owners that have stores that are vacant to do something that make them look either just a little bit nicer 55 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:13.680 I mean instead of I cuz that's it's to me I think the downtown area like some of the very nice towns around North Jersey whether it be Madison or um Ridgewood or whatever it's nice having different buildings and somewhat 56 00:15:13.680 --> 00:15:29.680 different style and that's what we have down here. But when you have empty stores >> that that there's no no nothing done to make it look at least I mean we know it's empty but >> I don't know. So the only empty store we have right now which will stay empty for 57 00:15:29.680 --> 00:15:45.199 the rest of our lives is the cleaners because no one's taking responsibility for that. So that's an issue and that's a problem. Uh the other stores they're either building or working on now. Um but yes, there are ordinances in place right now as we state have to >> um 58 00:15:45.199 --> 00:16:02.880 put uh paper in the windows >> and things like that. You can't soak the windows that there's actual written agreements from the bid. the bid wrote it to the town and we wrote it in an ordinance that they have to do that. And if they're not doing that, >> um, then anybody could call or the bid 59 00:16:02.880 --> 00:16:17.920 could call and say, "Hey, look, could you go check this storefront? It's vacant and it's just looking like it is." And and then it'll send the inspectors out to take a look at that. Um, right now, for example, we're having an issue with the theater on the side of the theater on the doors on the side. 60 00:16:17.920 --> 00:16:33.839 There's graffiti on those doors. Now, there's a process involved with that. you have to, you know, notice it, write the summons, and if they don't want to pay the summons, it goes to court. It could take months. But really, the smart owners of the building once they're told you have graffiti on the side that the 61 00:16:33.839 --> 00:16:48.560 leash should come out and paint it. Right? That would be the simple thing, but they're not doing that. So, they keep saying, "We'll get to it. We'll get to it." So, there is one mark on the door that we felt was not appropriate. So, we called the police. The police 62 00:16:48.560 --> 00:17:05.439 wrote their own set of stumbes. the building department wrote their own set of sun and set >> and you know now you got to go through the process and I know one of the council people is very upset and wants to paint it. We can't just go paint the door. We just can't. We're not allowed to. >> Well, someone already did. 63 00:17:05.439 --> 00:17:21.280 >> That means we should hire a graffiti artist then. >> Um you know I even asked I called and said can we paint it and build them? You're not not allowed to do that. So it's unfortunate if it does fall on the owners at one some point and you would think they want to keep the buildings 64 00:17:21.280 --> 00:17:37.120 nice because you know we all know that once graffiti starts in one spot and see and it's not taken care of it spreads to the next spot it spreads to the next spot. So we want to really get it as fast as we can. So it's been since December that the graffiti's been sitting there. So we're trying to push 65 00:17:37.120 --> 00:17:52.480 them to do it. So that that's the kind of thing, but it is written in ordinance about what you're talking about, how you have to have certain lights on, it has to be covered, all those. >> Just as a just as a reminder for the board, uh would you be able to quickly go over which of those standards are set 66 00:17:52.480 --> 00:18:09.600 by the business improvement district versus which of those go on to the redevelopment agency? >> There's nothing set by the business improvement. They don't have ordinance. >> They can just suggest to the town and the town. They have no standards that that the brides. Um they can make 67 00:18:09.600 --> 00:18:25.760 suggestions but at the end of the day it has to be a written council. >> But we do have that ordinance that does require some form of blockage that is not unattractive. It just can't be like can't be all washed off and you know you should have a light on during this 68 00:18:25.760 --> 00:18:42.080 certain kind of hours. Um so yes those things are going to be in place. Yeah, I I was just thinking like uh we moved from the one discussion which was about you know here are the standards for design going forward versus uh the question brought up was more about you 69 00:18:42.080 --> 00:18:59.120 know what are the standards of making sure that it's appealing even if it's vacant. >> Yeah. So I don't know and we could ask but I don't know if the standards will be discussed in that meeting. Um but at the end of the day I think the consensus was the building department will make 70 00:18:59.120 --> 00:19:15.200 suggestions to we as a council have to vote on that. So the the suggestions come from the building department to us or the ordinance committee to change the ordinance to say what it is. So even you guys could make suggestions as a board to the building department and then the building department would then make 71 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:35.840 those suggestions to the council and then that's how really the only party that has power is the governing body to make those changes. >> Um I've got a question for mayor. This may sound a little goofy or silly, but is there anything that requires a new 72 00:19:35.840 --> 00:19:52.559 business that takes over a storefront to remove the marquee or whatever or the name of the old business that's there and put their new one in? >> So, there is a signage or ordinance also that um and there was a little confusion. So, the bid, going back to 73 00:19:52.559 --> 00:20:08.720 what you had brought up, the bid does have grants that they offer uh people who put in new signs, but they also have to be okayed by the town, by the building department to fit within our ordinance. Sometimes they don't they forget that step and they go and put up the sign because I'm going to pay for 74 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:24.000 half of it and it it doesn't have the qualifications that they're needed. But yes, a sign has to be there's again it's an ordinance. They have to take down the old signs. It has to be certain a certain way. It only be a certain size >> within a certain length of time. Uh yeah, I think it's a couple months. >> Correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 75 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:41.120 the pork store sign is still up, >> right? And the business because a guy sitting in the window on a computer >> and I every time I go by they go pork store. >> That's why I asked the question. So >> yes, that there is a requirement to that. >> Somebody should change that to Satural's port store. 76 00:20:41.120 --> 00:20:57.679 >> Thank you, Tony Sopran. >> Well, I I always go back to the old record store. Yeah, >> we had a big fight with him because his O fell off for a very long time and he refused to repair it. >> Um, so he said, "My sign's up." And then, uh, somebody made an O for him and 77 00:20:57.679 --> 00:21:13.440 put it up there and I didn't like I said, "Guys, that looks junky. That kind of O." So I think they finally took the whole sign down. But even taking a sign down, you can't you can only have like a a paper sign for a certain amount of time until you get a real sign. orders 78 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:30.280 in place for even that kind of stuff >> because the business that's in the pork store has been there for quite a while now. >> Yeah, I tell them I'll tell them take a look at that. >> It just always seemed weird. You drive by the pork store and there's a guy in a >> that's still used by the county 79 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:45.919 >> I don't even know what's in there. I >> Isn't it Wasn't it some kind of a of a rehab place or something? >> Was that where it went in? Yeah. Yes, there is a county thing. I just don't remember if it's in that one or the one next. I think it was the pork store. >> Could be. Could be. I remember I went to Grand Open for it. So, 80 00:21:45.919 --> 00:22:04.960 >> I also heard that the um the electric bike place is having difficulties because the new rules go into effect um with licenses and insuranceances >> in effect last week. >> Yeah. So, um also, um 81 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:19.679 the property over at where the King and Sons pizza places in Krowers, uh they're trying to work that out. >> That's two sets of properties. That's two different offers. There's that little hallway in between. 82 00:22:19.679 --> 00:22:36.320 >> Uh no, the Krowers to the pizza place is one and then it's two in the bagel place. So the word I got was that they're get nearing an agreement so that they will have to come back to this 83 00:22:36.320 --> 00:22:53.520 board for site plan approval on whatever changes they make to accommodate their agreement. And also the Washington building has the Washington building has uh been pulled for now and they're working on revisions quote unquote. 84 00:22:53.520 --> 00:23:09.360 >> That's what I heard. >> For what reasons? >> Washington building did have approval. They were uh granted their rec relief and um apparently they're changing something. I don't know what it is. I just heard they're making changes and they're supposed to come back with that. 85 00:23:09.360 --> 00:23:26.320 And what was the other one? Oh, that from what I understand, the only thing that's in the works right now is the Smith property. >> We're having a special redevelopment meeting with 30 uh 49. >> What What is the Smith property? property is where the ice cream station 86 00:23:26.320 --> 00:23:41.360 is >> down to the corner >> to Simon Styles. >> The Simon Styles. Yeah. >> Okay. >> It's where I go to get my hair done. >> So, he did listen to the board. Just so you guys know, he came from your board and came from redevelopment and both boards had issues with the height and 87 00:23:41.360 --> 00:23:57.600 size and numbers of spots. So, they didn't reduce everything. Um, that's what they're going to present at the next. >> Yeah. So there's there's some work on work coming up. Um but it will be probably two re uh amended site plan, two amended site plans and one new site 88 00:23:57.600 --> 00:24:14.000 plan for us uh is I guess what we're looking at over the next maybe the remainder of the year. >> There is one other thing I'll bring up to you because we've had a lot of discussion about it. The solar building in the back behind the Cardinal big building in the back um it's been up for put up for sale and the gentleman who 89 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:30.240 owns it has been in discussion. He wants to get a feel and and I told S we would have a discussion maybe with this board of what you guys would entertain for what could go back there. Not not agreeing to it but he wants to kind of do a conceptual with your with you guys 90 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:47.200 to understand what he can try to move to. for example, a moving company had showed some interest in moving into um it almost fits the uh use as it is now, but it's a little off. But I mean, I I told him I think you're going to be 91 00:24:47.200 --> 00:25:04.559 looking at a a usage change for things that are going to come in there and that would come to the boards. Um and then he would like to know, and I don't know how you feel about that. I'll leave it up to you guys. How you feel about discussing in general what you'd like to see there? Because here's the issue with that building. No matter who goes there, they 92 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:20.000 have no easement in for 70 years. They've been using somebody else's ements to and I told them that's going to be a major issue for anybody who's going to put money into >> it's got to be legalized. >> It's got to be on paper somewhere. So I said it's very difficult for he's been 93 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:34.799 there 70 years >> is there >> and for 70 years abuse the easements of other people. Well, the other thing that there's an issue there is is access and egress because if you think about it, the if you especially if you're dealing 94 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:50.320 with uh moving moving vehicles are large >> whether they're uh semi or whether they're just box trucks and the way out there is by the railroad track >> right turn only >> and that's that's a dangerous area to be having more big vehicles. 95 00:25:50.320 --> 00:26:07.360 >> He doesn't own that property. That's all Mrs. >> But he some somehow whatever access he gets to agree to assuming that there is an agreement that property can make. I would expect that would be a legal issue that if he's been using it for all 96 00:26:07.360 --> 00:26:24.799 this time can he be I shouldn't even ask you that here. >> No, don't don't answer. >> Anyway, I think what he'd like to do and I don't know maybe you could ask your board how you feel just have a discussion with you informally. >> Absolutely. about what you'd like to see happen >> that conceptual works or he can just 97 00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:41.440 come in and ask for what you're saying discussion >> I'll let him know that because you know he's new to the whole process he's trying to sell it and he's having he's having a tough time selling it right now it's a big property >> um >> unfortunately it's also well in the flood plane 98 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:59.120 >> and maybe to flood way there >> u but again it's been a long time business in town for a very long time uh and uh He he's hoping that the right thing happens with this space. You know, the other thing, just so the board is aware, and I'm sure you're all aware, all those individual stores own the 99 00:26:59.120 --> 00:27:16.960 property all the way back to the rivers. So, it's not like you can cut across the parking lots to go somewhere because if someone wanted to put a fence tomorrow for one of their stores, they could, which would be a whole another >> I could be remembering wrong, but isn't 100 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:32.960 I just mean in general the area behind Wanuk A? Aren't isn't open space doing something with some part of that or am I going crazy here? Well, we talked about a river walk years ago, but uh that got shut down actually by the county because the flood you can't do much in a flood 101 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:48.799 zone. It would let us raise the banks >> and it is it is flood zone. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's flood zone. >> Okay. It'll be interesting. But yes, he's more than welcome to come here and and discuss it. And there's no obligation on his part, no obligation on our part. He does not need a 102 00:27:48.799 --> 00:28:04.159 professional. He can walk in on his own without any um any assistance and just discuss it. So, let me just and I'm going to do it for him informally right now. How does this board feel about a movie? He said there would be four or five trucks a day to move in a movie 103 00:28:04.159 --> 00:28:19.440 company. Um, is that something you guys think is a good idea or not? >> My because I haven't lived here forever. Can you more distinctly explain what property what you're talking about? >> You know where the car is. >> The new the new location. 104 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:35.600 >> The new location all the way in the back building. I'm going to say >> if there's still a parking lot >> 15,000 ft maybe >> you wouldn't even know it's there >> behind the parking lot. You wouldn't even know it's there. >> It's all the way on the river. It's all the way back. >> Okay. >> It kind of if you kept came out of the 105 00:28:35.600 --> 00:28:50.640 front of it, you went right into the BFW kind of building, >> but it's a very large building warehouse kind of. >> Okay. >> Um you know, so you know, he's still debating if it falls within the usage as building. Um and if it did, then it would be no issue. If it didn't, it 106 00:28:50.640 --> 00:29:06.320 would have to come to you guys. Uh >> well, if it's use variance, >> then they go to the zoning board. >> It will be the zoning board. But people want to know is it something the town or the plan? >> Well, it's got to be consistent with the master plan. Even with the zoning, it still should it should not should not 107 00:29:06.320 --> 00:29:24.880 stand out as something that's unique or unusual and won't fit the general character. So there there were going to be certain requirements even with a zoning change. But the process of um bringing vehicles in and out back there >> is the main issue that I would have 108 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:40.559 >> and whether you if you let the the legal part go for the moment and just say okay he drives a truck >> back there. You have the school buses which go into the area where uh the old wex was. Oh no army navy. Yeah. And then 109 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:58.640 you also have their buses coming out. >> The buses stack up too. >> Yeah. And they stack up and then that corn whenever you come out on the corner by by Fleshers there. >> It's a very difficult corner. >> It's a tough It's a tough view. It's a tough angle and it's a large truck. So I 110 00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:14.880 think you might get some comments from the PD on that. >> I'm not saying it can't be done. Um >> isn't a right turn only coming out of there. And then if you want to and if you want to take a left, you need to if you need to make a left. >> Oh my god, >> it's one way out. 111 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:30.559 >> Yeah, >> it's one way out, but it's right turn only. >> It's right turn only. So if you want to take the left, you need to go down by where the Washington building is the end of there. Take that. Take that. >> That's a narrow ex exit also. >> Very narrow. And and the way I explain it to him, because again, he's new to 112 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:44.799 this, he didn't know, you know, the railroad owns half of that and um Rudy owns the other half. Um, so it's a split piece of the policy uh there. And I can tell you that the buses did work out in the easement agreements with the other 113 00:30:44.799 --> 00:31:00.320 owners of the entrance things there. So, you know, I I can't see anybody who's going to put real money into a building not having written down east. Maybe it's something that the um committee 114 00:31:00.320 --> 00:31:17.200 that Bill and I are on with you um can talk about too because it's that's part of the redevelopment zone. >> So it's some back. I don't know that. >> I 115 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:33.520 his property in the back. >> Um I'd like to believe so. Yeah, >> I'd like to believe so at some time. >> I would think it would be, but either way, um, maybe they have comments, too. >> You know, it could be something that 116 00:31:33.520 --> 00:31:48.880 they discuss it. >> You know, I S and I talked and I said, well, I don't think the planning I can't speak to the planning board, but I don't think they would have an issue with you coming in conceptually talking. So, and S said, "Well, you can't really do that because you kind of go for the plan." >> No, I I think you can you can 117 00:31:48.880 --> 00:32:05.840 >> he can absolutely come in here. It's it's not even technically an agenda item. It's just under there's a thing called conceptual plans. He doesn't have to present anything, not even a sketch or he could whatever he chooses. >> It's just conceptual simply is an 118 00:32:05.840 --> 00:32:23.360 informal non-binding way of discussing a potential project. >> Is that close enough? >> So you you just don't have to worry about it. >> He should have no worries. >> Tell him he's welcome. >> That's a good point because that was the other question we had. Does it have to go on the agenda? 119 00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:42.480 >> I don't think it has to be on the agenda, does it? It says conceptual as an item here, but I I wouldn't think he has to do that. >> Does it have to agenda? 120 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:58.720 >> Have to set up a meeting office. >> You can talk to her in public comment. >> Yeah. Get another public comment. Yeah, that's another thing I was thinking. >> Yeah, >> it's it's surely an easy way for him to come in. >> Okay. >> And as long as he understands that 121 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:16.799 everything is non-binding both ways, >> that that gives him what he wants, right? >> Yeah, I think it does. >> And in the end, even if we say something is going to be difficult logistically, I I don't believe anything is binding until we vote on whether or not it is consistent or inconsistent 122 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:33.519 >> with the master plan. that it that there's no votes, there's no um I guess you technically could take a straw poll, but I wouldn't personally. I think it's just a matter of you listen, you individually decide if you want to comment on it. If not, thank you very 123 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:49.760 much. We're done. >> Very easy. >> Well, as I got long as I got your ear, any word on the two buildings across from the Krowers, uh you know, where the old Chinese restaurant was? Yeah, it's just sitting there >> and the building next to it that's been 124 00:33:49.760 --> 00:34:05.600 there forever. >> He doesn't want to sell it. He's been offering money to buy it and people want to put some good business in there. He doesn't want to sell it. He keeps saying he's he has plans, but he's also the guy building the building for 7 years next door. He wants the same property. So, don't think he's in a rush to do 125 00:34:05.600 --> 00:34:21.599 anything. >> He's he's improved it though. I mean, there's it's all caved. >> Yeah, >> it's they're working on some of the interior work. So the the big building 7 >> 35 is it is moving along I guess u they're not doing >> yeah 126 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:37.119 meaning finally you know it looks nice in the back the paving's all done he got past his issues he had with the uh the mountain in the back and he has the um plan from the county that told him what to do with the paving so he is moving 127 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:53.760 forward you know his plan was to make doctor's offices and offices And as long as he doesn't redevelop the property where the four small stores were, he won't have to make changes to the parking. >> Yeah. Again, it has to be in the use. 128 00:34:53.760 --> 00:35:09.520 Same use though. >> But if he said all of a sudden I want to put a second story on there or I want to, you know, change the usage to the point where it changes the parking requirements may he may have to come in here. But those those spots in the front, >> but you know, >> rumor has it, and don't hold me to this, 129 00:35:09.520 --> 00:35:26.160 that the uh Chinese restaurant might be coming back downtown. >> It is. >> It's coming back. >> It's coming back where? >> Talk to the man over there. >> It's coming back where >> little Where's it coming back to or going to? >> Uh Golden Gardens should be opening up 130 00:35:26.160 --> 00:35:40.560 next. Can I tell him? I guess I get >> by orm hardware. really edible. They're working on it now. >> They're working on it. >> I had heard that it was a rumor, but I'll This is still a rumor. 131 00:35:40.560 --> 00:36:00.240 >> Continue to spread the rumor. >> And and one more thing. Are we losing the uh sushi place? The diner? >> It looks It looks like it's been wasn't open today at all. And there was a sign on the door. I didn't see what the sign was. I was just curious. >> I don't know. I was there a couple weeks ago. >> They've been busy there. It was is 132 00:36:00.240 --> 00:36:17.520 really maybe it's a vacation or something today. >> My kids will love it. >> Yeah. >> But kids >> an hour and a half there recently. >> Yeah. >> That's good to know. 133 00:36:17.520 --> 00:36:33.119 >> Or at least I saw it was open in the past. >> Domino's is terrible for parking. >> Domino's. >> Oh, Domino's. Great. >> 9,000 pizza places in this town. You go to Domino's. >> My grand my grandson likes the Domino's 134 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:49.440 pizza. You lose, he wins. >> Okay. >> And when he wants Domino's, we go to Domino's. >> Domino's is over by the where Frank's meat market used to be. Right. That where >> No, Domino's is over by um >> No, it's further down by >> Yeah. So, anyway, um weren't they in 135 00:36:49.440 --> 00:37:04.240 there >> getting in and out of there? >> People just stopped right in the middle of the road. I almost had to call the cops on one guy cuz he wouldn't move. >> Do you Sorry. Do you know if anything is happening? Uh 136 00:37:04.240 --> 00:37:19.040 there's that build big building kind of near the dominoes. What is that? Um never mind. I think it's a shop or something. Uh what what about the uh senior living affordable housing on Ringwood A? How's that going along? 137 00:37:19.040 --> 00:37:36.000 >> There spoke to the people doing it. They had 15 registered vets sign up already from town, which is great news. That's why we built it. Um, and then another 22 seniors from town. So, we're up they're up to about 35 to 40 people just from town that are going to build that. It 138 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:51.599 only has room for about 62. >> So, you know, there's only maybe another 10 or 12 open spaces, which would be north from us. They're going to open probably they're looking now into August, but they're already putting out. >> That's great. 139 00:37:51.599 --> 00:38:07.599 ress to any kind, you know, you can apply now to get in. >> Great. >> And and Meridian and um the LCJM building are also shooting for fall, right? >> I mean, you're driven by. Have you noticed that, you know, they took all the fencing down or anything? It looks much better with everything down the windows up. 140 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:22.320 >> I see the sign. >> Once they do the sidewalks and put the brick in, it's going to, you know, really, you haven't seen the civic center. It's open now. >> Civic center looks great. >> They did a great job at the civic center. Uh they paid for that all. We didn't have to put any money towards that. It's got enough stairs for 141 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:37.119 storage. It's going to all >> the new lot over here on the side. Looks good. Oh, yeah. >> We asked them to do it again when they paved the old dentist building. We're going to pave our lot over there too up to the new thing. We're getting rid of all those trees and shrubs in the front 142 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:53.200 and making a retaining wall and a sidewalk. And we're going to have a nice sign put up on the side of the building. So, the building will look really nice. And there's talk tonight, tomorrow night follow up on renting out the civic center for residents for small parties, not non-alcoholic parties, but like 143 00:38:53.200 --> 00:39:09.839 christening or things like that. Um, so that will be discussed tomorrow by council. >> We going to start moving some of the meetings from the building the the room on QF over to the civic center. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, for you know, years ago, that's where we met CIS. We 144 00:39:09.839 --> 00:39:24.560 didn't go anywhere else. Everything was going to civic center that we had issues with mold and flooding. We have to close it. Um, but everything will come back into the city. >> Good. >> We just need to find a place for that maple. >> Yeah, it's a beautiful maple. >> It's worth a lot of money. 145 00:39:24.560 --> 00:39:40.640 >> Yeah, we'll find a place. >> Put it in the front. >> Maybe we can. >> Okay. Anyone else have We We went through conceptual discussion. We went through public. Anyone on the board have anything to talk about else other than 146 00:39:40.640 --> 00:39:56.960 we did already? If not, I'll take in a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Dwight, that was quick. >> All in favor? >> I Any opposed? >> Thank you all. Take it off. Turn.