Please rise for a silent invocation followed by pledge of allegiance. >> Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. Indivisible with liberty and
justice for all. >> Thank you. Will the clerk call the role? >> Councilman Foley >> here. >> Councilman Gford >> here. >> Councilman Green >> here. >> Vice Mayor Grubs >> here. >> Mayor Splman >> here. Ladies and [clears throat] item four, election for a vice mayor. That year went by really quick.
>> Appreciate Vice Mayor Tracy Grubs stepping up to serve in that. Gentlemen, the is pretty easy. I just need a nom. We need a nomination for somebody to serve as vice mayor. Moving forward, we can either have Mayor Vice Mayor Grubs continue to do it or somebody else can step up for a year and do it. What's
your pleasure? >> So, actually, >> I'll I'll I'll make a motion and nominate Tracy if he's willing to continue to do it. Why not? >> I'll second it. >> Have a motion and a second to reappoint uh Tracy Grubs as a vice mayor. Any
other motions? >> I like it. All in favor signify by saying I. I >> same pay. [laughter] >> Just getting warmed up. Many years old. >> 5 Groes 2.0.
>> All right. Item five, appointments to city council. Kind of a ministerial thing here. Um, if everybody's happy with the same roles, we can quickly get a motion. Everybody, all that'll stay the same. If anybody needs to make changes, now is a good time to talk about it.
>> I think we should get everything to the vice mayor. >> Good morning. Second. [laughter] >> Penny, you should do it all. >> Yeah. All right. You guys good? Leave it all the same. >> I'm I'm good where I am. >> Seems to be working pretty good. Can I get a motion for that? >> So moved. >> Second. >> We have a motion in a second. Keep that
all of the same for item five. >> All in favor signify by saying I. >> Any opposed? >> Excellent. Moving on to item number six. [clears throat] Public comments on consent agenda items only. Any public comments on consent agenda items
tonight? Come on up, Robert. >> [clears throat] >> Come on up, Robert. Good to >> see you, Robert. >> Mayor, council members, Robert Reinhagen, 1425 Dexter Drive, Port Orange. Um, item 8E, approval of lease
agreement with the YMCA. Um, the city owns the property, the city owns the building, and the uh contract or the lease clearly says that they're not partners, that
it's a landlord tenant relationship. Now, I don't think the city should be a landlord. I think that's an inappropriate role. And uh so my my preference is that you give it to the parks and recreation and let them take
it over. Um I can understand um having this thing the why there and having somebody come in and manage it for the city like you do with the golf course. You have somebody you pay
somebody a management fee to to manage it. Um, and it you bind that expertise, but to do it as a uh a lease, I just think that's terribly inappropriate. Um, and also this the lease is now for
25 years. That seems an awful long time. And there's a 2% increment every year in raising [clears throat] the rent. And uh it seems to me the commercial leases out there in the world uh much more than 2%.
And so I think we're we're sort of rolling over for them, giving them a a benefit that they don't deserve or that we shouldn't be giving to them. Um, so anyway, as a minimum, I think what you should do is table this and look at get
[clears throat] like three appraisals for what it really could get on the market today and then um adjust your thinking based on that. Thank you. >> Thank you, Robert. >> Thank you, Robert. >> Any other comments on consent agenda
items? [clears throat] Seeing none, I need a motion to approve consent agenda items 7 through 12. >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, sir. >> I can make a motion to pull number 10. Okay. >> All right. >> Have a motion to approve items 7 through
12 with number 10 being pulled. >> Second. Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Cler call the role. >> Councilman Foley. >> Yes. >> Councilman Gford? >> Yes. >> Councilman Green? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Grebs? >> Yes. >> Mayor Ser. >> Yes. 5. Item 10,
ratification of emergency purchase of temporary housing for fire rescue personnel. Go right ahead. >> Uh, we need a motion to approve. >> Yes. >> Make a motion. >> Have a motion to approve item 10. Can I get a second? >> I'll second it for >> a motion and a second to approve item
number 10. Go ahead, C. >> Well, I mean, I don't know really where to start with this. um except for I guess you know we all we all got the same news last week about um a department head resigning over over some some situations that have been going on
and and this being one of them and what I want to make really clear here is that I don't disagree with the need what I definitely disagree with was the procedure and procedures not being followed uh and checks and balances not
being set in place on this particular issue. Um, and then what I I guess what I really have a problem with is why we are employing a peacework unit
vendor to do such things as buy emergency housing on a concrete when he's a concrete contractor. um why is a concrete contractor doing anything other than what is in his contract is what I have a problem with in this because it
goes beyond this. Okay. Um like I said, I'm I'm going to approve this because it was the need and we still are in that need. But what I am uh definitely [snorts] I guess I should say just I'm mad I'm mad about how this went down and
I'm mad I'm mad about um what took place and what is still taking place I guess in in this in this situation. So um I've had discussions with Wayne and Robin on this and um I know that we we went through a time where we didn't really
have a finance director. our finance director was in, then he was out. And and yes, in my opinion, this kind kind of got swept underneath his radar because this guy should have been on the radar straight up. And so, um, I just
want to know and and again, I've I've reiterated to Wayne that I want to know, uh, how this is not going to happen again. I want to know that everybody who works for the city has a set contract andor set price. And even if it's like when we had the sandbag thing, guys, we
had people down there helping with sandbags. Those guys were rented people. They were rented from this PSG guy, but at no known price. He could have seen the price for $100 an hour. We wouldn't know cuz we didn't have a agreement with him. We should not be doing any
agreements with anyone, especially this PSG guy. That's not his contract. Straight up. Okay. This guy's getting paid to do a lot of other things in our city to me that are sketchy. straight up. So I want to know from Wayne and I've discussed this with I want to know
what are we going to do in place that's this is not going to happen again. This is an embarrassment to to me as as a city official here. So um that's what I have on this for now. But like I said department heads need to know what their
boundaries are, what their limits are. And I for also believe that our upper management should have known about this going down. I believe this goes to the top. The top management should know if we're buying trailers, the city I
believe the city has a purchasing agent. Do we not? Do we have a purchasing agent, Wayne? >> We do. Yes. >> Purchasing agent should have bought these trailers, not a subcontractor that does flatwork concrete. This being my point, I think this is
sketchy straight up. Okay, I'm gonna leave it at that. >> The way I understand it is we're not using third party contractors to buy stuff without us knowing it. This was something that was done without weighing
you knowing about it. Am I correct? >> That's correct. >> Thank you. I have nothing more. >> I I agree. Their policies need to be reviewed. There's there's no doubts in our minds uh with a new finance manager coming in in place to make sure that
there is things in place for the new finance manager so this doesn't happen again. But it's also a standardized review once a year with all department heads to make sure the understanding of how money and bids are done. Um I just think there just needs to be a better
review policy on it so we don't ever get this situation again. read anything. >> You know, I I understand where everyone's coming from. You know, people make mistakes, but you know, our job as as we sit in our five seats up here is to make sure we're being responsible
for, you know, taxpayer dollars. And so, you know, clearly this was a need and and and how it was gone about is is certainly eyebrow raising, but nevertheless, you know, I I I do have confidence that staff will, you know, see this and and learn from it. And I
don't want to see these things happen again. And I don't want to find more of these, that's for sure. So, >> yeah, I I I agree with everybody's comments and concerns. I think we all share those. I know we've all had uh you know, independent briefings with the city manager [clears throat] as this uh is actually some of not this particular
item we're voting on tonight, but some of the processes that were not followed and the need to improve additional processes. And uh I am confident that that that we will get more updates on this and that that uh those measures will be put into place that can uh
hopefully guard this type of a thing from happening. You know, the other aspect of it is is that it's a large city. There's a lot of moving things going on and we have to not us but the city manager has to entrust that he's going to have department heads that will
act accordingly and follow proper procedures and and make sure that that you know unus unusual circumstances that come up. I mean this is kind of why we're here with this particular thing um that those are h handled accordingly and in the best light. So I we'll be getting
more information on this and so but I agree with everybody's comments and concerns on it. So we have a motion and a second to approve item number 10. All in favor signify by saying I >> I oppose like sign. I C
city council town center joint CRA. So, we will temporarily recess as the city council and magically appear again in a joint meeting [clears throat] uh between the city council and the Port Orange Town Center Community Redevelopment
Agency. Can I uh call the role for special joint meeting of the Port Orange Town Center Redevelopment Agency? Of course, call the role for the members of the Port Orange Town Center. >> Jonathan Holy >> here. Sean Ger >> here. Scott Stilner >> here. >> Vice Chair Tracy Grubs. >> Yes. And >> chairman Lance Green
>> here. Five. All all five in attendance. Item two. I'm going to go methodically through this one. There's a lot of moving parts on this. Uh call the role for members of the city council. >> Lance Green >> here. >> Sean Keer >> here. >> Tracy Krebs >> here. >> Jonathan Foley >> here. >> Mayor Scott. >> All in attendance. Are there any objectives objections to the notice of
the meeting? >> Hearing none. The notice is accepted. I will be opening all items for the joint discussion of the city council and the CRA. Chairman Green will call for the vote by the CRA and I will call for the vote by the city council. Thus, all
items are open for discussion. Item C2 is temporary license agreement with Coastline Coffee Company LLC for Riverwalk permitted interim uses that may include food trucks, coffee shop, a beer garden, farmers markets, fitness classes, recreational rentals, parking,
signage, entertainment, and other activities to activate the area. I need two motions. I need a motion from the CRA and one from the city council for item C2, temporary license agreement with Coastline Coffee Company LLC for Riverwalk permitted interim uses. Do I
have a motion from the CRA? >> I move to approve the to recommend approval of the temporary license agreement. >> Have a second. >> Second. We >> have a motion and a second. Do I have a motion from the council? >> I move to approve the temporary license agreement.
>> Second. I have a motion and a second from the council. The next item for consideration is item C3, the temporary license agreement with Coastline Coffee Company LLC for signage for Riverwalk permitted interim uses for
the installation of temporary signs for the Riverwalk interim uses on the properties located at 3840 Ridgewood Avenue, also known as 204 Herbert Street and 399 Ridgewood Avenue and 3966 Halifax Drive.
I need two motions on item C3 [clears throat] for the approval of temporary license agreement with Coastline Coffee Company LLC for signage for Riverwalk permitted interim uses. Do I have a motion from the CRA? >> Move to approve the temporary license agreement with Coastline Coffee Company LLC for signage for Riverwalk permitted
interim uses and authorize the chair and agency clerk to execute all necessary documents. >> Second motion and a second. Do I have a motion from the council? Move to approve the temporary license agreement with Coastline Coffee Company LLC for signage for Riverwalk permitted interimm uses and authorized mayor and
city clerk to execute all necessary documents. >> Second motion and a second. You know the vice mayor usually has to do all the but great. >> Well, I tried to slip in 20 bucks and he would turn it down. Item 15. The next item for consideration is item C4. The economic incentive
agreement EIA A with Coastline Coffee Company LLC for waving fees associated with improvements necessary to implement and operate the Riverwalk interim uses and furtherance of activating Riverwalk permitted interim uses for an amount not
to exceed $10,000. I need two motions for item C4 for the approval of the economic incentive [clears throat] agreement with Coastline Coffee Company LLC. Do I have a motion from the CRA? >> Move to recommend approval of the economic incentive agreement uh EIA with the Coastline Coffee Company LLC.
>> I have a second. >> Second. >> Have a motion and a second. Do I have a motion from the council? >> Move to approve the economic incentive agreement with the Coastline Coffee Company LLC and authorize mayor and city clerk to execute all necessary documents. >> Second that.
>> A motion and a second from the council. >> Thank you. >> Speak. Go right ahead. You did a great job of summarizing all three items there. [laughter] Try to be uh very concise here since we had a good overview. Then I think the main part of these three items is that basically originally we had to enter an agreement with Bristol to activate the
waterfront using the interim uses with them withdrawing from the license agreement. The Coastline Coffee Company who had originally worked with Bristol on there and did a lot of renovations to the existing building down there wants to step up and basically continue that interim uses there. Um we've been meeting with them. They look like they basically are ready to move forward
there. they have a lot of interim uses and activities planned moving forward there. So I feel basically they will carry that forward as vision there. There um one thing that we had with the um kind of some of the difference then is that basically with the license agreement here they are required to put
at least two events on per weekend. I mean per month um as part of the license agreement then. So that was one um thing that was not part of Bristol there. But the applicant is prepared to do those events um two per month. Then uh the second item was because the area of the
license agreement shrunk from what Bristol originally had. They had the whole 12 acres. This is more concise area. We had to do a separate one for the light for the signage then in those areas to make sure that we're able to direct people to the waterfront there on that. Then that's what the second license agreements for. And the third one was the economic incentive
agreement. Bristol originally had this in their master development agreement. What this does is it allows for us to wave the fees for special event permit fee waiverss and also two building permits. They have put some interest in trying to build a deck, do some other improvements around there on the site to make it more for entertainment. And this
would just wave the need for the fee, the permit fee. They still have to get the permits, go through the process, we'll do the review. This just waves the fee then. Um, as long as the license agreement ends in place then. So staff is recommending approval of all three items. And the representative in cosine coffees here if you'd like to speak with him.
>> All right, let's see if uh council have any questions for staff first. >> No. >> Come on up. >> Introduce yourself. >> All right. Give us your best 30 seconds of everything. >> Paul Hardley, uh, thank you all very
much for the opportunity. Um, been a lifelong resident of Port Orange and watch that thing, watch the Riverwalk area go from what it is, what it was before to now. Uh, see the vision. Um, looking to get people down there, create
some lifeblood and, uh, enjoy good Colombian coffee. Um we plan on having three event three specific event type a month. Three event names a month. One's going to be uh a Riverwalk Morning Market. It's going to be the first and
or the second and the fourth uh Saturday every month. The third W third Saturday is going to be Riverwalk social. That's going to be um live music, food trucks, and the and the market vendor market. Um and then activities for kids. We're going to do Riverwalk Live, which is
going to be just live music and food trucks. That's going to be a floating Saturday, depending on how many Saturdays are in a month. So, those are that that's going to fill the that's going to fill every month, every Saturday. Um, Friday nights we're going to do a themed ladies night with possibly some live music, but it's going
to be a themed ladies night, which I've got two ladies that are that do this for a living. And they want to do specific type of activities for whether it's craft and sip, uh, paint
and sip or whatever. So, we've got we and then we're going to work on doing a a Wednesday night thing as well, but to drive people down there, see the um the view and what we have kind of I think the best place in Port Orange Pro, I think possibly the best place in the
Blush County. Um and then also it helps me with my coffee company and uh offering true specialty coffee. Come check it out. It's good. Thank you all very much. It's my home. >> Don't don't run away and speak to these guys coming for you. It's easier for No, I four years I've been wanting to see
something go down there. So, this is a good start. >> Yeah. >> I'm excited. See it coming. >> Appreciate you from from baseball stuff and came to saw you. >> Sean, what's up? >> What the heck? I was your first customer. >> I know you were. >> I heard he forgot the tip. Go ahead.
>> No, he don't have >> No, appreciate it. Thank you. >> Yeah, thank you guys. >> Yeah, we're we're we're excited to have you. you know that's a it's a very special place and um >> you know obviously >> the vision was born many many many
decades ago now and and one of the and while it is taking so long that's fine I mean the the thing here is is >> orange only has a limited amount of places along the water and and because of that we're highly protective of it but yet we want to make sure that the community has access to that area and
it's just beautiful and you know what until the permanent opportunities come around and and and they become viable, then then that's totally fine. But in the meantime, we want to we want to do things that that that showcase and highlight that area. We want that to be
inviting. We want our residents to go down. And by the way, >> the shop looks great. I've been here numerous times. Um I I've already noticed a pickup of people coming [clears throat] in there and you know getting a coffee and reading books outside and folks sitting out of the lawn chair and folks fishing nearby and
I like you can see it slowly already kind of growing uh the the clearing out of the lots and the wow >> you can see it from the intersection >> difference that has made people like wait a minute what's over there everyone over there and checking it out. So, um, having having the the, you know, the
events or opportunities for people to come down there, I think the market is a great thing. I can't wait to check that out and see how that's going to going to look, especially the early morning hours. They're they're beautiful down there. I mean, >> if it's raining, it's beautiful. >> Yeah, it's hard it's hard to beat that. So, um, we appreciate you, uh, wanting
to be a partner in this and and and kind of in the vision, so to speak, as as that goes and and do some things down there and see how this thing evolves, you know. So, got to start somewhere, right? Right. >> And, uh, you've got an amazing campus or or, you know, to start with down there because it's beautiful. So,
>> any suggestions, too? I'm I'm open to, you know, it's my community. It's my heart. I like it. I I like saying I'm from Port Orange. So, anything you come in and anything you guys think of, you know, we do have our first event, our kickoff event is going to be December 19th. We're going to do the Riverwalk Social, which kind of encapsulates
everything we're going to do. It's going to be the live music, the food trucks, the vendor market, and then kids activities. So, it's a Friday night from 5:00 to 9:00 [snorts] kind of to to just to give everybody a view of it. So, come check it out and see. But, thank you all very much. I appreciate it.
>> Thanks for coming out. Appreciate it. >> Good job. Uh, any public comments? >> None. Back to the council. Council, any other final comments on this? Council or CRA? We're good. All right. Item 24. Chairman
Green, will you call the vote by the CRA on the motion to recommend approval for item C2, temporary license agreement with Coastline Coffee Company LLC for review for Riverwalk permitted interim uses? I will. We have a motion and a proper second on the floor. Would you please
call the role? >> Oh, wait a minute. All those in favor say I. I. >> Those opposed. >> That was easier, huh? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You want to announce the results there? >> 5. >> 5. Thank you, sir. For council, we have a motion, proper second on the floor for
item C2, temporary license agreement with Coastline Coffee Company LLC for Riverwalk permitted interim uses. All in favor signify by saying I. >> Any opposed? >> 50. Chairman Green, please call the role. Please [clears throat] call the
vote by CRA for on the motion to approve item C3, temporary license agreement with Coastline Coffee Company LLC for signage for Riverwalk permitted interim uses. >> We have a motion and a proper second on the floor. All those in favor say yes. >> Yes. >> Any nos?
5. for the CRA. We have I'm sorry, got ahead of myself >> 29 council >> 30 >> for now for the council. We have a motion and proper second on the floor for item C3, temporary license agreement with Coastline Coffee LLC for signage
for Riverwalk permitted interim uses. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Any opposed like sign? 5. Chairman Green, please call for the vote by CRA on the motion to recommend approved approval of item C4, economic
incentive agreement, EIA A, with Coastline Coffee Company LLC. >> We have a motion and a proper second. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Those opposed. >> Five vote. Now for councel, we have a motion and
proper second on the floor for item C4, economic incentive agreement, EIA, with Coastline Coffee Company LLC. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I post like sign [clears throat] 50. >> Item 33. Any further business to be brought before members of the Town
Center Community Releevelopment Agency and the city council? There being none, this joint special meeting is hereby adjourned and we will return to the regular city council. Mr. City attorney, you good with all that? >> Yep. >> All right.
Public participation non-aggenda items. Let us vote. >> Welcome. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> Guess I'll start off. So, good evening, guys. Thank you, Mayor and Council for hearing me talk tonight. Charlotte Gillis. I'm a council person for City of
Edgewater. I see you guys all around, but that's not why I'm here tonight. I'm here as a resident uh West Ocean Avenue, Edgewater, and a neighbor to Port Orange. And I wanted to come and show my support for let us vote and put my name on a petition they have getting going together. And I know they're going to
ask for support from you guys tonight. And I would like to to show support for that and let Mr. Gimbert speak. >> Hey, good evening. We don't want to take two bites of apple. Greg Gimbert, 255 UCLA Avenue, Daytona Beach. Before I start, congratulations, Mr. Grubs. Um,
that's a heck of an endorsement of your your council to reappoint you so effortlessly and unanimously. So, brother, [laughter] >> that must be a really hard job. Nobody wants it. Um, but you guys are totally different from when I was here last time. I was here about 13 years ago. I
got a unanimous resolution to support opening Tiger Bay off-road recreation. I was here about 10 years ago and got a unanimous reol resolution for support of putting the let vote beach driving amendment on the [clears throat] ballot uh to get a vote of the people before we gave up any more of our beach driving
area or any of our beach approaches. And thank you both for your support on that or for your support both times. And I'm coming back tonight. I got my hat in hand again. But I'm not asking you to do anything as a a body tonight because it doesn't work. Senate, we've watched for
two years now where you talk about Senate Bill 180 took your power for planning, land use, zoning. They've locked you down. You're flooding. You can't do anything about it. And we talked about it for two years. And now they want to after preempting planning, land use, and development, they want to
preempt health and safety. Now, I've had it up to here with preeemption. They've taken away everything else. Now, they want us to drink potable reuse and aquaer recharge. Let me tell you folks at home what that means. Pottable reuse is government speak. Pottable drinkable
reuse sewage. Drinkable sewage. Pottable reuse. Now, there's a lot of folks that are very convinced of the the quality of that process and the astronauts and all that, but uh Flint, Michigan's pipes uh failed because of chemicals. They couldn't get out. We can't get them out
either. So, rather we have a big debate. I will hope all of you will see that this issue of whether we're going to take treated sewage as Deltona is positioning to do, pump millions of gallons of it into the aquafer a day and say we're rehydrating the aquafer
because they got nowhere else they could easily hide their sewage. Plus, it balances our aquafer withdrawals, unlimited growth and slow motion poisoning of the aquafer. So tonight I'm asking you to as individuals because it didn't work as elected officials. They took it from you as individuals to lend your name personally to a let Valuchia
vote petition that bans the use of potable reuse directly in the drinking water supply or to pump it into the aquaers for storage. It's not saying you going to vote one way or the other, just that you think the people deserve to vote on this issue. We're here to answer
any questions. >> Thank you guys. Appreciate you. >> No questions. Anyone? We we don't do that. >> Thank you very much. Not doing our be happy to talk to you guys afterwards. >> Chuck, come on up, my friend. >> Light us on some good news at Sugar
Forest. >> Good news. >> Welcome. >> Chuck Helman 823 Sugar House Boulevard. And I've been waiting a long long time to say this, but finally the hoarder is gone. The Sugarford
landfill is gone. The Sugarfield homeless camp is gone. And thank you, Matt, because I know Matt has worked hard in the last year. I've talked to Matt more than my divorce lawyers. And this [laughter] time, I still got to
live in my house. So, thank you, Matt. Now, while I'm up here, I also want to talk to Wayne. Wayne, I didn't deal with you, but I dealt with Robin. We had uh we had a pothole. AT&T won't get fixed. The street got paid. So keep Robin on
your team. Sign her up long term. She's a keeper. Okay. Don't let her go. >> I think you just got her assigned to a lot of Papa. >> Okay. [laughter] But go ahead. >> You at first it was good because it slowed everybody down. Now the street is Now [laughter] the street is paved. Now
Now it's a racing zone. But also while I'm here, now I'm going to talk I'm equal opportunity. I've talked to everybody tonight to the council, to the mayor. You have the money. You have the plans. Let's fix the flooding and sugar force.
>> You know the plan. >> I don't have all the money. >> Well, okay. Well, well, no, but you also but you also got Matt and Robin. You can get this done. Okay. [laughter] >> Did you bring your checkbook? >> No. You know, >> yeah. So, so anyway, I just wanted to
say, you know, thank you for finally getting Sugar Force cleaned up. Let's make Sugar Forest great again. Thank you. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. >> Thanks, Chuck. >> Thank you, sir. >> All right. Was that it, Amanda? >> Yes, sir. >> Finish with Chuck. That's the way it
should be right there. >> All right. Comments and additional items. City Council members, how about it, Mr. Green? Well, I'm going to again I'm just going to reiterate back to a point about um about purchasing and and pecards. And
it's funny in all my years, this is the first I've ever heard of the term pecard. I never knew what it was until I had to ask. But I just want to make sure that we are going to to take um some strong
measures into knowing what's being purchased by whom, for what, and for where. Um I just got to make sure that we're not we're not out there throwing away taxpayers dollars on on something that uh that might be bought and sitting
in a in a yard or or whatever. But, uh, the other thing I was going to bring up was I don't know if and I think some of you other guys got a call from Mr. Meadows about the boardwalk going next to his house, but that is a project in my opinion that has absolutely no good
for Port Orange. And that's just my opinion. We've now taken a boardwalk and we've stuffed the boardwalk through a natural area from nowhere to nowhere. But because we got to be good players and we got to be good people with the DOT, we have to have it shoved in our
neighborhood. And I'm just saying I'm not down with it and I think it looks terrible. Other than that, >> have a good holiday, >> nothing tonight. >> Nothing tonight, >> Tracy. >> Well, for those that haven't been down
to uh City Center, um I would tell you come in the evening. Burks and Recreation has City Center Boulevard going around the lake lit up. It is absolutely stunning and beautiful. Um, and we got finally decent weather to go
out there and walk around it and enjoy it the way it should be. So, I'll tell you to come down and take a look. It looks phenomenal. Um, the other thing I have was on February, February coming up, uh, consent agenda 8A and 8B dealing
with the sidewalks on Williamson and Willer Run. That should be the time frame of hopefully starting a completion of those sidewalks that we've been waiting on for years. Uh, wrapping it all the way around making a loop for the sidewalks. But, uh, one of the things I wanted to point out though is, you know,
this is dealing with FOT money and city money and matching and all that, but we always talk about the expense of things and sidewalks. Doesn't seem like a big deal, but it is. With taking the numbers on this consent agenda, if you if you
total that out, it's about $1.1 to$1.2 million a mile for sidewalk. And I know we got sidewalk issues. We've been uh headstrong on this and going forward and getting it fixed for the last two years really good. But I just
want to point out that it's a million dollars a mile is what we're looking at. So, as we go into budgets for next year, that's something that we might want to look at as far as bringing up the budget just a little bit more dealing with the sidewalks and get them knocked out because million dollars a mile. It don't
take much to to eat up five and $600,000 that we budget for. That's all. >> There was once a mayor that sat here with the same last lame as the district 4 councilman and he used to say there's two things you can count on with concrete. >> Yeah. >> It's going to get hard and it's going to
break. It's going to break. >> So, there will be maintenance forever. Go ahead. >> Yeah. Uh, couple of things. Uh, there the first meeting in February, it looks like I may have a conflict. Just let you guys know now. Um, just came across my desk. There's also a chance though that we'll be welcoming our new baby girl.
So, >> that might be an even higher priority than the conflict. So, we'll see how all that shakes down. Um, Lance, I'm just going to, you know, openly talk about this since I went over to Mr. Meadow's property. I actually walked around not only that one, but all three properties that this trail goes through and I I
agree with you. I don't like the project. I I stand there. I think it's unnecessary. I don't think a lot of people are going to use it, but unfortunately, as everyone on this council knows, the TPO is extremely valuable to our residents fiscally and we're they really wanted to complete
this. And um now we're faced where we're putting up a project. None of us, including I don't even think any of our staff are really advocating for, but we're we're are we're overseeing it. And it's it's definitely a political thing that, you know, I'm on the TPO board. I know how important it is to to you know,
this organization and everyone else. But I told Mr. Meadows, I stand there, I wouldn't want it in my backyard. And and personally, if it came for us to vote, I wouldn't have voted to let it happen, you know, but it is where it is. So, just that's my comments on that, my thoughts. I want to say thank you to staff for the ebike pamphlets. I thought
that was neat and a good step. I know there's not a lot we can do right now, but um that's important. We just saw someone get hit on Dun Laden on an ebike, but for just having this conversation two weeks ago. So, um speaking of Dunlton, um I've been talking Wayne about this. I don't want to get too deep into it, but obviously
there's a lot of disappointment around the Christmas parade. Um again, I said this earlier, sometimes, you know, things happen. We make mistakes. The weather was not great for sure that day. Um, and sometimes we just have to learn from things. Even when they're not mistakes, we just have to learn. Um, I'd
really like to see us discuss the possibility uh about what a new plan like a new road, a new path for next year not being on Dunlton. Dunlton's a state road. We have to play by the state's rules. We have to get through all these permits and it has to be closed down for 5 hours for a 1-hour
parade. It's it's a big big big process. Not to mention all our employees who go out there and work on this. it's, you know, it's something. So, definitely um just want to see if there's maybe some other options next year that we haven't thought of as a place to hold it. So,
just those are my thoughts on that. Um and then one more thing I want to talk about cuz we're coming up into an election year um starting January 1, obviously. Um during election years is the only time that we're allowed to discuss council salary at all. Um, it
was discussed two maybe 3 years ago with a totally different group of people sitting here and at the time I opposed it pretty heavily just because I didn't like the way it was done with the formula. Um, Wayne can probably explain this a little bit better, but basically the state gives the county a number and
then the county takes a percentage of that and then now we take a percent of the county and it's a really big mess as I understand in talking with staff of trying to figure out what it is. takes a lot of time just to get down to figure out what it is. And I just want to see if there's any stomach uh amongst anyone
else on council, some consensus to just have a discussion about changing that next year. We can try to stay pretty close as far as what the dollars are today, but I think we need to have control over that. I don't think it needs to be some formula the state hands down, which is handed down again, which
we calculate. Um, and and I think we should also consider adding in something where it's automatically adjust based on something like CPI. Um, but I want to see if there's any other stomach for that. Um, and for discussing it or not. And uh, other than that, I just want to
wish everyone merry Christmas, happy holidays, happy new year, and all those things. >> Do you have a desk? >> Do what? >> Do you have a desk? >> No, I don't have a desk. >> Okay. You said it came across your desk. I was >> Oh, good point. [laughter] Good point. That's a guitar. >> I have a guitar. It comes across. Yeah.
That instead, >> right? >> Uh so, so I I I too spoke with Mr. Meadows and and spoke with the city manager. Um so, first of all, it's not our project. Um and Councilman Reed's comments are are are appropriate with this. There are going to be times and
this is not the first time and it won't be the last time where as a city if we intend to continue to have support uh from the state and other organizations that we will need very badly at times. Um sometimes you've got to get on board
with some of their incentives and programs and and things that they want to do. Um this one is kind of unfortunate because this is a project that was in design and approved many many many years ago before Mr. Meadows even bought the property and had the house built. >> Oh yeah. >> And he wasn't aware of it. Um so I mean
I can kind of understand and I kind of wish the the realer or whoever would have been on that would have been a little bit more forthcoming with him to let them know what's coming. >> They should have known they're doing their due diligence, right? So is because the one thing is if you have a proof of property butts up to something that's vacant with people want to ask
what's ever going to happen there, right? And that been asked and the answers would have been there. That being said, what I think is appropriate on that and I share the concerns is that and I touched base with the city manager, this project is still a ways out from being done. I [clears throat] think when it is done, we need to take a
look at it and give the city staff a chance to bring back some suggestions to us on what they identify and things that could be mitigated, whether that's from a privacy standpoint or security standpoint or what that because I don't think we really fully know. Stand that's for me. Let him know I'll call back. Um
I don't I don't think we fully know what what that result is going to be. Yeah. But but certainly we can take a look at it and I think it would be appropriate to let staff. That being said, we should keep in mind >> that if we do something, we own it. >> So if whether that's shrubs, fencing,
whatever that is, that means we own it, including the maintenance and duty. So just be aware of that. But we'll we will take a look at that. We'll we will keep this one on our radar. >> Okay. Just a a a quick quick comment and this mostly honestly is for our city employees.
An incredibly hard couple of really hard decisions had to be made last weekend that were it couldn't be more unpopular. >> Mhm. >> And and and I can appreciate having been part of those teams and those
departments, police department, parks and recck, our fire department, city administrative staff. I know that there is a lot a tremendous amount of things that go into planning something like a parade on a state highway that encompasses over a mile in distance with
a tremendous amount of people involved. Most of which are children and we are fortunate that this is the first time that I can remember in a long time. I'm sure it had to happen before. I know we didn't have the parade during co but this is the first time as far as back I can remember that the decision
had to be made in the interest of safety for the participants and the people who would be coming to the parade and I know that wasn't easy and I know that a lot of people decided to get on social media and take shots at the city and the city
staff and Saturday night it even got worse because or yeah Saturday night was worse because we showed up for a great event, the annual great event, while it was raining. And there was hardly anybody there, but there were still a few people that that showed up thinking maybe it'll happen. And because of the
weather conditions and because of the concern for the the band that was playing and what that kind of weather was going to do to their sound equipment and all that different kind of stuff, that that couldn't happen either. And you can see the look at our city folks and the volunteers that were there. They
were completely deflated. That is their Super Bowl. >> I probably overused that analogy. The last thing in the world that those city employees want to do is not have an event like that go off. And it takes a
tremendous amount of courage to realize when something may not be safe and to pull the plug on that. And that's not a decision the mayor makes. That's not a decision the city council make. Those are decisions that are operational. Those are made by our city staff. and
departments that are involved in those things. And so to them, I want to say I apologize for some of the stuff they had to read on social media. I apologize for them having to take verbal abuse from people who have not a clue what goes in
and involved in putting on an event like that because they've never done it, but they have an opinion about it. and and but I want them to know that I appreciate having to make a hard decision like that and I appreciate the time and the effort they put in to doing that and and it is what it is and
hopefully next year and it'll never I would love it if it never had to be ever cancelled again. Um I will just to comment on Councilman Foley suggestion I will tell you that that's been looked at numerous times. uh there there could be other opportunities, but I will tell you that it will mean a lot of people not
being able to participate because the the length of that parade route is over 1.2 miles in length from start to finish. And when the when the first folks typically the council by the time we're at the end of the parade route, over half of the parade sometimes hasn't
even gotten out on the route. They're still coming out of staging areas. So, you have to have a a huge massive area or you have to totally change what that looks like. And I'm and I'm okay with those kind of discussions as long as they come through the proper way and and
the city manager and his team and staff can kick around ideas. It's been done before, right? There's been talk about a smaller version at city center doing something at night as opposed during the day. That's a very popular thing in South Florida now. And a lot of places down there are doing their parades at night. But just be mindful logistically
that creates a whole another thing. You know, one of the things people don't even think about parades and knock on wood, but there's a huge public safety element to that. You know, the chief can tell you if you're just not worried about weather, there's a lot of other elements that have to go into case into
into these types of things. So, but anyway, I you know, point of that is I just want our city staff and all of our employees and all the volunteers, for every department that's involved in doing those things to know how much I appreciate you and we appreciate you and and we know that was an incredibly tough
decision, but you made it for the right reasons for the the interest of public safety, namely for the children involved. So, enough said on that. Hopefully, uh things get better from there. By the way, ton of great stuff to do in Port Orange. the the parks and direct [clears throat] folks put out a
lot of information on things people can still go and do and celebrate Christmas and I hope everybody has an amazing Christmas and a happy new year coming up. City attorney, what do you got? >> Just real quick, I want to say I appreciate the praise, but you know that journey and at 828 Sugar House started
with a lot of code enforcement activity over the years. Um they did everything they could do. um we had circumstances change that allowed uh my team to come in and take it over the finish line, but there were um multiple officers involved. The management team was was looking at that property and they, you
know, put the pieces in place for us to be able to to take it over the finish line and and finally, you know, get that property turned over. So, just want to give them a shout out. I think most recently Scott Alman spent a lot of time out there. Um, so you know, great work on on their part to to get us to to the chance to take it to the court and then
ultimately execute through the sheriff's office. >> Excellent. Anybody else? >> That's it. Thank you, sir. >> Mr. City Manager, >> I think since it's the the last meeting of the year, I do think I need to address some of the comments uh about the financial situation uh because I don't want to leave that out there and I
think it's unfair to the citizens and and the council to to to leave it as general as it was. Uh we run a $220 million or so dollar budget. uh multiple departments, over 10 departments. Uh we've had an audit that was clean. We've had relatively clean audits, no major
findings for several years. Uh we had budget adopted with no problems going through any of the processes with the budget. We have qualified for multiple grants and loans and other foundations of money. So as a whole, I would say that the city does a very very good job. It's unfair to make broad statements
that there are issues that there the issues that came up related to this are related to basically what we know at this point one department and a couple individuals principally one contract that was used outside of its scope. Uh so in the whole it's like I was the best
analogy I was coming up was we won a football game 28-10. One of the scores is because we threw a pick six. It wasn't fatal. It's a mistake. We're going to sit down and analyze it. It may be fatal in the future. So, we don't want that to ever happen again. But it's
an overstatement to to make this out to be something bigger than it is. And $220 million. It shouldn't have happened. But picture what was going on. It's a Saturday and a fire department had to be evacuated because of mold. We had to
move firefighters 5 minutes away and that doubled the response times in a key area of the city. And so we were rushing as fast as we could to find a way to get that equipment back over there. Tried hard to find rentals, calling, driving all around the county, calling other
people, looking for FEMA trailers. By about 2 or 3 in the afternoon when it was like we still haven't found that, they were like, well, maybe we can buy something. So I it's in the documentation that we provided tonight. I think it's fully justified as an emergency purchase. The fire chief spent the night in his car in the parking lot
just to make sure that somebody was there to respond that night. So, this is an urgent, stressful situation when we're trying to get firefighters back close to the people that need their help. Um, an an individual employee chose a incorrect approach outside a contract,
not approved by us. He did the wrong thing and he paid a price for that. So, we will move forward to make sure that that's harder to do. We will move forward to make sure that the contract that that that guy worked under gets followed. We will tighten up these procedures. I I would say in my opinion
we haven't had an ideal finance director since probably Tracy Re died. Uh which is very challenging to to run a budget of that level and it's unfair to to have any problems with Linda in her interim role because she was doing two and three jobs at a time and got us that clean audit and got us an approved budget both
times. So I don't think there's anything that that she's responsible for. The fact that she was looking at the big picture again when the game every now and then you get a pick six touchdown. We have got to fix that. It cannot be allowed to happen again 100%. We have a
finance director now that I believe is fully qualified to get us there. In the short time she's been here, we have had multiple meetings where he she has done exactly what we were hoping. We talked about preaching the fundamentals and she has laid out this is the way you do it. This is the way you do it. We should have done it five or six years ago. We
didn't have her skill set here five or six years ago. So, we're going to do it now and we're going to take care of it going forward. But big picture-wise, there's $220 million that are going through here and it is not a 10 department problem. It was isolated to an area of a small number of people in a
small couple of contracts. It will be stopped and it won't happen again and I think the people should be assured of that going forward and the council should be assured of that going forward. We will take care of that for you. We appreciate that >> comments. Thank you. >> That's it. We have the chief talk. [clears throat]
>> Yes. I guess we're getting about that far. Yeah. I'll uh I'll give the prelude for this. So, uh I had reached out to the city manager. We have we have had the chief will probably describe it better than I will, but we have this
crazy ongoing thing where mostly young folks have decided that it's the new thing to just tear up the city with vehicles, mostly rideaways, but not always rights. We saw this incident that happened in Venetian Bay not long ago that apparently made national news, by
the way. Um, and this is just it's it's continuing. And so it it's getting out of control. And you know, you can have people say, "Oh, it's just grass." Well, it's not just grass, first of all. It's it's it's it's our city one. And in a lot of these homeowners associations,
private property folks, uh, a lot of the areas that we pay to have maintained so that our city [clears throat] looks nice and the adjacent subdivisions look nice and all these different kinds of things and they're just getting destroyed. And so I asked the city manager to have the chief kind of talk to us a little about it. Give us an update. What can we do?
What needs to be done? What's the PD, you know, working on on this so that we can be aware of it because I know we're all seeing it and we're all we're all getting the questions about it. Chief, thank you. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, uh, council, city manager, city attorney, uh, city staff, and guest, Manny Marino,
Chief of Police. Uh, the mayor's correct. This is, um, not something new. The mayor will tell you this is something we've seen historically in Port Orange, but for whatever reason, uh, this year it's gone to a whole new level. I don't know if it's social media driven, if it's just another craze. I
know, uh, Susan dealt with issues, another craze two years ago where they were posting destroying bathrooms in the parks. Like, there's no rhyme or reason why these things happen. Uh but what we did was I went back and looked after uh speaking with the mayor and with the city manager. Uh we did notice so we've
been tracking now um all areas of the city as you mentioned it's everywhere. Uh but there are some areas that are more affected than others. Um basically any road in the city that doesn't have a curb is susceptible to this. Uh but so where we first started to see and
coincidentally uh it really picked up with the start of the school year. Uh so the first area that we really saw and started getting complaints from was Yorktown. Um and right at the entrance uh to Oakbrook is where we first started getting complaints. And that area was
repeatedly between beginning in the middle of August through September uh is is where we were having issues. And so in that case obviously we sent our officers over there. We were able to identify two individuals. Um, but there were six cases in that time span where
they either damaged uh the rightway that's maintained by the HOA and then also on the west side of the roadway that's the city property. The one major case in that side uh was a 17-year-old driver that we charged with f felony vandalism. Uh we towed that vehicle. Uh
but we found was he had several other uh young people in the car with him that we now see are sometimes related in other cases either as the driver or passengers. So there is a nexus to local local kids uh not just from uh Port Orange. There's some from the Samsula
area and and the surrounding areas. So in that case we made an arrest. There was a second individual. We didn't get across the finish line with that because we weren't able to check all the boxes of what we needed to charge him. We're we know who it is. Uh we have that police report, but um circumstances were
different in that that we couldn't get to a place where we could charge him. But once we started doing all that, we made that arrest that that displaced that activity and then we started to see it in countryside. Uh so if you've been through countryside on Country Lane, uh there's a number of areas in there that
have been affected, then they clear up. We've been tracking the ones that had we made or had we found somebody at that location, we could make an arrest and we've been documenting those and following them. At the same time, we told our officers uh to conduct extra patrol, not just in the areas where we were seeing, but we were concerned,
especially after, like the mayor mentioned, the incident in New Simrna, all of our city parks, you know, city center, anywhere that, you know, this could potentially take place. So, it's hard because you've got, you know, a number of officers trying to monitor the entire city. Um
that said, uh once it reached city, uh once it reached countryside, we started to see it again on um on Central Park Boulevard. In that case, we were also able to make an arrest. Those charges have been filed. That damage didn't rise to the level of a felony, which is anything above
$1,000. Uh so it was just a tad under, but we did charge. In that case, it was a 16-year-old driver uh from Spruce Creek High School who happens to live in Sam Sula. Uh we have one other pending case that is an odd place. It's it was in the area of King's Landing in the
development off Hensel. Uh that individual is 15 years old. So, our average age for these individuals is 16. Uh I stopped another individual. We didn't include him in this because it wasn't the truck. He was on a four-wheeler. uh 13 years old and uh
inside one of the subdivisions. So uh as you know like we mentioned the the damage to the new Simra to the golf course of Venetian Bay was a 17-year-old who said he did it because he was bored at 2:30 in the morning. So um that said we we will continue to investigate
these. We have our officers are directed in their free time to monitor all of these locations. Uh we also have our crime suppression team on it. you know, we we take tips, we conduct surveillance. Uh when it comes to these and and the city attorney will tell you at every opportunity, if we have a
chance to recoup money either through uh a vehicle forfeite or some other means, we try to do that. These are a little bit more difficult because one, they usually tend to be innocent owners because it's the parents' vehicles and the children or the kids doing the damage or the vehicle uh is at an age
where it's just it doesn't make sense because seizing the vehicle is not going to cover the damage in addition to what we have to pay to file the case to begin with. Uh but it is something we look at and um and you know, we will continue to charge them. You know, I would say to these kids, uh,
you know, it's not that hard to do a thousand dollars in damage in and and these take quite, you know, all of you know, all you do is pull off the pull off the side of the road, particularly if the grass is wet, you accelerate, and you're gone in 10 seconds, you know, and now you've left 40, 50 feet of damaged u
of damaged uh city property. So, uh, we won't hesitate to charge you with the felony. And it's unfortunate because as you're seeing uh these are young people that probably don't know any better uh but for whatever reason don't have any respect for city property or the
residents as it is. So uh we'll continue to to to move forward with this as I mentioned seeing it again now uh in advance of coming with the kids coming back to school after the break and then obviously coming out of the summertime. Um,
and we looked at also other other tempor um potential, you know, what how do you fix it in addition to and I've heard uh I've seen where people put trees, but we know what, you know, trees in the rightway have other, you know, unintended consequences when it comes to damage with sidewalks and everything
else we've talked about tonight. Uh there's people that have used decorative landscaping or boulders. Um, you know, so there are things I did tell the city manager. I I've been going personally out to these locations to see it for myself. And I was at Central Park Boulevard and uh
a resident comes up to me out of nowhere. All a sudden I turn around, he was standing there with his coffee. He's lived there for decades. And he was telling me a story about where at one point on Central Park, we put in no parking signs all along that rideway to try to to try to curb this and the kids
ripped the stop ripped the signs out and threw them in the lake and he said he would fish him out and then call us to come put them back in. So, it's something staff has looked at obviously for years and as I mentioned for whatever year I think it's got to be social media driven cuz we've never seen it to this extent. I've been here four
years. This is the worst we've seen it. Um, but I'd ask the residents too if you're aware of it or if you caught something on your uh Ring camera or you know just please pass that information along to us. The the one on Central Park, the arrest on Central Park was
after the fact that actually came through a social media tip. We were able to then backtrack, find the vehicle, locate the individual who then confessed to to doing it, had a story as to how or why it happened, but we charged her anyway. So, um, any questions?
>> This is an I'm uneducated in this field. So, there you seems like kids 16, 17 doing this with parents' vehicles in their name. And is there no way to charge the parents at all for just neglect of letting them take these cars and behave this way? you. So, it's it's
it's in that statute itself where it talks about criminal mischief. There's specific language to graffiti and where the parents can be held accountable. I don't know if the city attorney would like to maybe take a look at it um to see if that's an avenue we can pursue, but in when I read it um for whatever
reason and it's a little confusing because it all it says is is reference paragraph A in that actual state statute, but there's paragraph 1A which just talks about the what the definition of criminal mischief is and then in 9A where it does talk about the parents
being held liable, it's specifically speaking to graffiti. And then there's a whole another section of that statute that talks about, you know, the the kids losing their license and that they could, you know, all these other things that can happen to them. But it appears that for whatever reason it's tied
specifically to graffiti, which I don't know why un, you know, and it could be, you know, an interpretation on my part. So, you know, if city attorney would take a look at it, you know, we'd be happy to go that route as well >> because I mean, I think I could speak for all of us. I certainly speak myself.
I I was an idiotic 16 17 year old with a driver's license once and and [clears throat] certainly was not the most responsible >> person behind the wheel. I just I wasn't that crazy behind the wheel, you know, and certainly, you know, I think these parents would absolutely be held
responsible to some degree, you know. Well, the responsibility does probably come mo mostly from financial because if they do a felony amount, then typically they're going to get a a citation in addition to the criminal mischief for use of a vehicle commission of a felony. What you hope there is that the judge
says your license is gone for a year or longer and then the insurance company is going to see this ticket, right? Those insurance rates, if you know what I mean. know the >> like I said not not the field I'm qualified to even discuss but >> I would just add to that that you're
you're only an innocent owner once right so so once the the parent does have knowledge that the vehicle is being used for this purpose it's in the parents name the next time we see it now now it's fair game so so that could be a significant um you know loss for them as well you know if we if we are in a
position to to seize and forfeit the vehicle >> got okay >> I Just again, Chief, I know I' I've heard about a couple of these things going on. I still feel like there's a need for a non-emergency line at the police department because I don't know
who who to call. If I somebody was doing it out in front of my house, who do I call? Do I call 911 over somebody tearing up the grass? >> I think we need a non- emergency. >> If you have an in progress crime in front of you and that and that's and [clears throat] you can't get through on a non-emergency, which the new technology that the county has
instituted, then yeah, if you're telling me there's a suspect in an in progress crime, cuz Yeah. may sound like that, but if it's especially a young person who hasn't been driving long that could lose control, crash into your house, you know, go off into a head-on collision in the opposite direction, you know, if you're saying they're driving
recklessly, yeah, I would say call. Um, and I would go I'll add one more thing if I can too. Uh, just for anyone or parents that can advise their children, there is one case there was an individual who tried to obscure his tag. As of October 1st, if you do that while committing a crime, it's a secondary
charge. It's now um anything that obscured the tag in the past had been just a moving violation. It's now a secondderee u misdemeanor which adds if you're doing it uh in the commission of a crime. So just for the parents to be aware of that as well >> and chief so I appreciate it. Um, you
know, some of the areas like you noted, especially Central Park and Country Lane, that's been going on for decades and and and you're right, they you know, for a while and there's nothing in there and then then all of a sudden they just get tore up and it just becomes over and over and over and over again and and it it just it's horrible for the folks that
live in that area who are proud to live where they live. They take care of their own properties. They want the rightways looking good. They want their HOAs looking good. in those particular areas. I would be very interested in, you know, you having discussions with the city manager and coming up with some like
maybe more some ideas that will help your department be more successful moving forward. Whether that be cameras strategically and permanently placed in certain areas around the city where we've had these historic problems because this is not once or twice or even 10 times. Central Park and I bet
you that's 50 times over the last 10 years and and who knows going back farther than that. I mean, at one point that that that ugly concrete curb that was put there as a just, well, will this help? And it didn't help. They drove around the I mean, there was a I mean, that curve is hideous looking, but they
did it with good intentions to think, well, if we put this curb there, they won't just drive off the road, do it. >> Oh, yeah, they did. They jump the curb, you know, tear it up, get stuck, whatever, you know. So, um, anyway, I appreciate your your your briefing for us tonight. Keep that in mind that, you know, whatever we can do to help, let us
know. >> I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Chief. Thanks, Chief. >> All right, Mr. Manager, anything else on your end? Okay, thank you. Item 16, report from Kipper Sports on Cypress Golf Course. >> I'd like to move him to the back of the agenda.
[laughter] >> Good to see you, John. >> Good evening, everyone. Mr. Mayor, council, I'm Jeff Dayton, general manager at Cypress Head Golf Club. I'm here to report for Keer Sports on the financial uh financials for uh August,
September, and October. So, as you know, we had a pretty rough stretch there with a lot of rain. Uh about 30 inches of rain we received in those three months. Average about 10 a month depending on whose rain gauge you checked. But, uh we we still besides that managed to have a
nice uh a nice finish to our year, our fiscal year. So, we finished uh FY25 about $100,000 to the good. So that was a win for the club and uh mostly had some nice bottom uh uh expense gains there that helped us get that but
because revenues were down a little bit based on the rain but all August you know we made about 9,000 to the bottom September 22. So like I said 100,000 to the good um with about $32,000 shortfall in revenues. So, a lot of that we picked
up on the bottom of a payroll um rounds. We did about 40 48,581 rounds, which was under budgeted by 680 uh and under prior year by 350. So, a little down in rounds, but still 48,000
is a pretty significant number. Um and uh and then October came and of course was just completely saturated. The rain start rains came. October was a bust. So, we started out this year not great. Uh we lost about 37,000 on the bottom.
Uh in October, uh the range has been closed 62% of the time for the past 3 months. I mean, that's a significant number for the range to be closed. So, we're down um a lot of revenue on range. Good news is I'm not reporting on it tonight, but we had a great November.
So, we made up a big chunk of that uh October loss, and we're we're looking good. We're back on track pretty much. So, that's good news. But the team's performing well. Uh, we have great service ratings. Our NPS score was 91.5 for that 3 point that three-month period, which is very good. Our service
satisfaction rating was 9.7. Despite the course being extremely wet for a period of time, it's slowly been drying out. And uh, it's in great condition. Uh, our our ratings for that 3-month period was 8.7, which is low, probably the lowest we've been since I've been here. And that was all due to
the wet, soggy conditions of the course. But, uh, Darren and the team have done a fantastic job getting it back. Um, we, like I said, the range has been closed, you know, 57 out of the 92 days. So, that's a significant number. But, uh,
luckily, we've got a nice forecast now. So, as far as the highlights of of Cypress Head, you know, we we're still best in class in the area and we still we won the best of Daytona again. So, we we won another another award for that. And during this period, we've hosted many events. We've hosted some uh US
kids turn tournaments. We had our Folds of Honor Salute Scramble 911, which was a huge success. Uh raised a lot of money for Folds of Honor, several thousand dollars. And uh you know, we continue to support the local high school teams. We just um got a new car bar roof, which
was nice. And our bunker renovations are coming along very nicely. So, you know, we started those on September 29th, and now uh we're we're on we've finished about 11 holes. So, moving slowly. We'd like to see, it was a slow start with all the rainfall. We've made up some ground. Like to see a little better
progress, but we're pretty happy with the work so far. And that little bit of rain that we had Sunday, which kind of messed up the parade deal, kind of helped our golf course. It kind of helped compact the bunkers and the bunkers withtood that rain really nicely. So, we're happy about that. But
uh got a T ground project coming up next year we're excited about including an artificial T line for the back of the range and also a new cart fleets coming on board in May of 2026. So uh things are looking up. Uh we're anticipating especially with the weather we're seeing
up north. We're anticipating u a very busy snowbird winter season. So should be a good should be good for the club. >> Thanks Jeff. >> Any questions? Appreciate you. Anything you got anything for Jeff? >> No. Keep up the good work, Jeff. Thank you. >> Thank you gentlemen. Appreciate it. Have a good night. Merry Christmas.
>> Item 17 was for golf advisory board. They were unable to attend tonight, so we'll move them to another agenda. Item 18, environmental advisory board. >> Just like that, you're up. >> Just like that, I'm here. >> Hello everybody. >> Chrisham, environmental advisory board
chair. You know how hard it is to not sit and rule your meeting as many chair positions as I hold back there like this not to answer all you answer for all of you. Um we had our meeting uh in late October and we would like everybody to
please recommend people to come to our uh board. uh the people that we have, we're trying to keep uh the momentum going, but we really need people that want to make Port Orange grow green. Um
we are working on um benches for the park. The the Riverwalk is one of the most beautiful places there is in Port Orange besides city center and more people should come to the other side of the park and go sit at the the dock is open now. That was a wonderful uh
surprise. And and just go down where the kayaks are. That's where our garden is. And um of course that's where the water goat is, which we check and it does its job keeping the trash out of the river. And we want people to go down there and really experience the quiet. It's not
like the other side that where this children are playing, the water park, that part is very quiet. Great place to meditate. And um so we'd like to get some benches down there. We were uh asked to have a garbage uh can uh put over by the picnic table. And since
then, because when I clean the water goat, I clean everything all the way everywhere. And I have not had to pick up cigarette butts. And I have not had to clean that up as much as it used to before that garbage can was there. It's
just human nature. If it's there, they'll use it. If they don't, they're going to throw it on the ground. That's just how it works. So, I'm very happy to uh report that that has really been a great asset over there. Um our plant giveaway that will be in the spring. We're going to um have that at the the
spring festival. Uh they will be the bushes and hoping because we've been giving away trees for many years and a lot of people don't have places for uh trees, but everybody has a place for a bush and uh they will also be edibles.
And then our storm drains. So thankfully we didn't have a hurricane, but we are going forward with us getting our city to sign up to check your storm drains as soon as a storm is is on its way. Check your storm drains. You just sign up.
It'll be very simple. Go outside, make sure the they're clutter-free, and that will help move the water where it's supposed to go and not in your house. I was flooded twice. So, I'm very
passionate about helping everybody. And so, um, do you have any questions? >> Yeah. Chris, dealing with the the bushes that you guys are giving away, is there a place that they have to go to sign up for that? >> Anybody that has previously uh received
a tree will get an invitation to sign up? Um, other than that, they're just going to be able to pick them up at the um at the festival. Okay. and we're going to have advertising, right, Mike? [laughter] >> Yes. So, uh, they'll be able to just
come by and pick them up as well. You do have to be a Port Orange resident and, um, but we will we will have a nice selection for everybody. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thanks, Chris. Appreciate you. >> Thank you so much. And merry Christmas everybody. >> Christmas. >> Thank you, Chris.
Item 19, [clears throat] second reading of ordinance number 2025-29. >> That's an ordinance of the city of Orange County, Florida, amending the comprehensive plan capital improvement element providing for the fiscal year 26 through 35 year schedule of capital improvements and supporting data. Prime
for repeal of conflicting ordinances, resolutions, providing for severability, and provide an effective date. >> Can I get a motion to approve? A motion approved to uh
>> ordinance number 2025-29. >> Yeah, that one second. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second for ordinance number 2025-29. [snorts] Council, any comments? I know it's second reading. >> Anybody from the public wish to comment on it?
Back to council. Call the role. >> Councilman Foley, >> yes. >> Councilman Gford, >> yes. >> Councilman Green, >> yes. Vice Mayor Krebs, >> yes. Mayor Stler, >> yes. 50. Item 20, we're going to uh I'm going to go ahead and open items 20 and 21 uh together.
Uh item 21 ordinance number 2025-30. >> That's an ordinance of the city of Porsche County, Florida relating to comprehensive planning amending the future land use map of the comprehensive plan amending the future land use designation for approximately 9.37 acres from Valuchia County urban low
intensity. two to four units per breaker to city of Pors Rural Transition 0 to2 units per breaker for property generally located in the south side of Fern Park Drive east of Taylor Road. Authorized transmitt to the required agencies provide for conflicting ordinances seability and effective date.
>> And I get a motion and a second for ordinance number 2025-30. >> Go ahead. Get a motion to open up 2025-30 and 2025-31. >> Second. Have a motion and a second to
open up ordinance number 2025-30. Going to also open up ordinance number 2025-31. >> Move to approve to open up. >> He's got it. >> I'm sorry. Hang on one second. >> An ordinance to the city of Port Orange County, Florida reszoning approximately 9.37 acres from Blucia County A2 Rural
Agricultural to the city of Port Orange Agricultural general generally located on south side of Firm Park Drive east of Taylor Road. authorized authorizing revisions of the official zoning atlas and providing an effective date. >> All right. Now, I'll take a motion for ordinance number 2025-31.
>> Motion for ordinance 2025-31. Second. We >> have a motion and a second. >> Good evening, Penelopey Curious Planning. Um, as was stated, the subject property is located at 1737 Fern Park Drive. It's on the south side of Fern Park Drive, east of Taylor Road. in behind that all aboard storage
development that was recently built. The property consists of a single parcel with a single family home on it and the access is provided from the unpaved easement known as Fern Park Drive as well as an access easement through the allboard storage development um that goes to this property. The subject
property was annexed into the city in 2018. And then in 2020, the previous property owner applied to change the future land use and zoning of the property from a the city design county designations, I'm sorry, to city designations um in order to try to um
get approval for development of a townhouse project. Both of those applications were not approved by the city council. Um, so based on that, the result of that is that the subject property continues to remain within the city of Port Orange, but it still has county designations on them, which is
why we're here today to to to change the land use and the zoning to city designations. So, with the first item that was opened, the property owners are requesting to change the future land use designation from Valuchia County urban low intensity that has a maximum of four units per acre to City of Port Orange Ral
Transition with a maximum of two units per acre. The proposed amendment is a reduction in residential density from 37 allowed units allowed to 19. Um and the overall amendment therefore is a result it's a net decrease results in a net decrease in impacts to public
infrastructure and services. With the second item that was open um the property owners are requesting to reszone the property from Valuchia County A2 rural agriculture to the city's um agriculture zoning district. According to the property owners, um if both this land use amendment and the
resoning is approved, their initial plan is to submit building permits to demolish the existing single family house that's on the property and rebuild a new house. The existing house is in disrepair. Um so their their their initial objective is to rebuild a new single family home to live on the
property and at some point in the future um they plan to submit a special exception application which would come before you at that point to obtain approval for um a retail wholesale nursery use. Um the zoning allows for a wholesale nursery but a retail and
wholesale nursery use requires a special exception. So their their goal is also at some point in the future to come back for that special exception so that they can um have their retail wholesale nursery business in the rear portion of the prop this the agricultural property and still live in the the front portion
of the property. Um so that is the ultimate goal. Um staff is recommending approval of both the land use amendment and the resoning and is here to answer any questions and the current property owners are also here to answer any questions you might have. Any questions
on this? >> I'm confused about the agricultural portion of it. Where so the is part of this property a now? >> So it's currently has Valuchia County land use and zoning. The county land use is one of their agriculture zoning. And
so the request is to change to a city future land use and a city agriculture zoning. So it's going from county to city designations. Okay. >> Anything else? >> No. >> I think we're good.
>> Anybody from the public wish to speak to this? [clears throat] All right. Seeing none, back to council. >> Good. Good. All right. Cler, call the role. Oh, I'm sorry. Let's call the role in order here. First of all, with for call the role for item 20, first reading
of ordinance number 2025-30. >> Councilman [snorts] Foley. >> Yes. Yes. Councilman Gford. >> Yes. >> Councilman Green. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Grabs. >> Yes. >> Mayor S. >> Yes. 50. And now for item 21, first reading of ordinance number 2025-31. >> Councilman Fley. >> Yes. >> Councilman Gumper. >> Yes. >> Councilman Green.
>> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Krebs. >> Yes. >> Mayor Ser. >> Yes. Five vote. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Can't wait. >> All right. Moving on to item 22. First reading of ordinance number 2025-32.
>> That's an ordinance of the city of Cors County, Florida. Amending chapter 16 of the land development code to establish a new section in chapter 16 miscellaneous regulations for the purpose of establishing procedure for review and approval of a certified recovery residence. Providing for definitions providing for request for reasonable
accommodation, ensuring consistency and compliance with recently adopted state legislation amending chapter 397 of the Florida statutes. Providing for the designation of an administrative authority for the review and approval process. Setting forth the time frame requirements related to the review and approval process for certified recovery
residence applications and reasonable accommodation requests. Providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances, severability and an effective date. >> I have a motion and a second to approve first on first reading ordinance number 2025-32.
>> A motion to open up uh 2025-32. >> Second. All you >> Tim Burman, community development. Um, as indicated by the city attorney, basically with the passing of Senate Bill 954 by the Florida legislature, basically the state um or the cities were mandated to adopt an ordinance that
addressed the certified recovery residents. Um, basically there so this allows for them to basically make the request within the city and have a the design process for getting a request submitted to us in order for us to make a um recommendation of approval or denial. And so we basically adopted
essentially what was required by us to adopt in our code. Um we also were able to put some um further restrictions on there in terms of making sure that sufficient parking was provided in our review um to make sure that if these do come in that basically they are compliant with Florida statute and our land development code requirements. So
again staff has recommended approval of this. Um essentially what we did was put in our code what that Senate bill required us to put in our code. >> Good questions on council. Yeah. >> Thanks, Tim. Appreciate it. Anybody from the public wish to speak to this
is all about doing what we've got to do. All right. Clerk can call back to council. Clerk can call the role. First reading ordinance number 2025-32. >> Councilman Foley. >> Yes. >> Councilman Gford. >> Yes. >> Councilman Green. Yes. >> Vice Mayor K. >> Yes. Mayor Stman. >> Five votes. Moving on to council
committee reports. Item 23. First one is mine for the general employee pension board. We met last week. um the end of the fiscal year found the general employee pension fund to be up uh 8.63 to close out the end of the fiscal year with a
uh an increase of 1.29% for September. Um current market value uh as of October 31st, 2025, 41,743,267. Uh, one of the interesting things of note was that we did have our investment
consultant uh, brief the the uh, the board that uh, one of our money managers is underperforming and uh, there may be a need to replace them at the next meeting. So um they advised against
doing that right now because a lot of times right here at the end of the year you can make some gains even from a a manager that's underperforming. So kind of kind of some high level finance stuff going on but we we decided to go with the recommendation u of our investment
consultant. So we'll see what happens there at the next one. Um let's see. So that leaves us to the fire pension board. >> Yeah. Uh similar results over here. um up 5% on the quarter bringing [clears throat] the total value of the fund to 53.3 million. Um interesting of
note uh over the last 3 years this plan has gone from 34.7 to 53.3 uh million in assets. That's an average of 13.4% per year uh over the last 3 years, which
is an amazing jump from from some of the numbers prior. Um, the board's done a great job of let Frank's brought some really good things before us and the board's been really receptive into being a little more aggressive with moving our money around and changing out some underperforming
uh, you know, uh, investments and finding some new ones, bringing some new things to the table. Um, really really impressed with the numbers and everything going on there. So, uh, just want to, you know, give all those guys the credit because they they've really been working hard and you can see the results in the numbers. Yeah. And I and
I can appreciate those comments. By the way, I I I I want to having having sat up here for a long time and listened to a lot of of uh reports that were not favorable and and having a lot of concerns. I I I appreciate the work and the attenderness that you have given as well as the other
board members to to [clears throat] to basically saying status quo from few years ago is no longer acceptable and and and getting a lot of that turned around in the right direction. It takes a long long time. the results are not going to come overnight, but we've seen a steady improvement. And so I
appreciate you you being on the board as well as all the other board members and and having that mindset because at the end of the day, it's protecting the taxpayers investment into those employees and we want to see pension funds for them that are going to be sustainable and healthy for decades and
decades and decades and decades to come. So, anything else? >> No, sir. >> Anything else to come before us tonight? I'd like to take a second to wish everybody a very merry Christmas and a happy new year. And I hope everyone gets to find plenty of time to hang out with
friends and family and celebrate uh the holiday season and whatever is best for you. So, hope you guys have a great night.