please rise for invitation by Father Matt Melo of Our Lady of Hope Catholic Church followed by the pledge of allegiance father welcome thank you Mr mayor thank you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
lord our God look with love on the people of this community and keep them safe in your service guide the members of this council and staff help them to work together for the good of all bless their plans and deliberations and bring
them to success father we ask this grace through Christ our Lord amen in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit amen thank you very much i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you Father clerk call the role councilman Foley here councilman Gford here
councilman Green here vice Mayor Grubs here mayor Stilner here item four public comments on consent agenda items only anybody have any public comments on consent agenda items only come on up welcome still sporting the green i like it
we had a party last night all right what do you need i'm Shirley Rice tells who you are where where you from okay i'm Shirley Rice i live on Bro which is in the sugar uh forest area
even though we're not included in them um I was going over the agenda and looking at the map on page four of
24 that is a very old map and I'd like to point out some things on it to you okay if you will look and locate Bro Drive it's almost in the
center down about 2 and 1/2 in 2 in and there's a big lake behind it my house is on Bro Drive in front of that lake yes we were flooded
twice now if you follow Bro up to Nixon there is a storm water lift station there and it's like nobody recognizes that i have been told by the council that that is a excuse me storm
water what is it um it's called something else it's not a lift station the lift station is for sewage sewage that's not a lift station and I can't find any plans on
the web about when you know it was built back after Gordon several years ago and it's supposed to be connected to four ponds one of them is that large pond behind my house and the other one is off
to the left on the map that one that's shaped sort of like an upside down L all right all of the new construction that we're complaining about as groups is not
on this map sugar Mill Elementary is sugarmill Elementary is it's up in the the far left corner and if that is not a storm water pumping station how did we get fish pumped onto that about three
hurricanes ago onto our road so I need some information about that from you guys and an update of this map would be a very good idea before you let them
start building things okay oh and finally I would like to know where the rules are printed for the new structures the new buildings having to handle their own
water and where they're putting it for instance the Whoop I'm almost out of time the the new uh station that's up there it was told to me surely we will have the I'll have the
city manager have the somebody from uh public works or engineering get with you to to answer the rest of those questions for you okay okay thank you thank you Shirley we don't have if we don't have your contact Shirley can you just give that to the clerk before you leave this evening it's on there it's on there okay thank you very much appreciate it any
other uh anyone wishing to speak on consent agenda items only consent agenda items only all right we're going to recess quickly uh as the council and come back as the town center
um group so and that looks like that's going to be Councilman Foley all right ready everybody i call the annual meeting of the Port Orange Town Center Community Redevelopment Agency to order can we get a roll call please scott
Stner here jonathan Foley here tracy Grubs here sean Gford here lance Green here all right first order of business item two election of a chairman do I have a motion to nominate a chairman move to nominate Councilman Green as chairman of the Port Orange Town Center
and second all right I have a first and a second let's call the role for Councilman Green scott Stner yes jonathan Foley yes tracy Grubs yes sean Gert yes lance Green yes all
right with that do we want Does Lance need to do the rest of these Matt or do I need to finish out the role yeah you can pass it down pass it on down to him oh man ready come on down jeremy Green enjoy those new duties sir why don't you pick it up at item three Chairman Green all right can I get a
motion to Oh do I do I do anything call the RO or I'm I'm good can I get a motion to nominate a vice chair i nominate Sean Gford second i have a motion in a second call the role scott Stner yes jonathan Foley yes tracy
Grubs yes sean Ger yes lance Green yes all right is there any objection to the meeting notice everybody's got the notice okay being none the mo the the notice is accepted do I have a motion to approve
the minutes of November 6th 2024 joint special meeting with city council so moved second have a motion and a second call the role please scott Stner yes don Koloi yes tracy Grubs yes sean Gford yes lance Green yes
item five is the Port Orange Town Center CRA annual report for fiscal year 2023 24 do I have a motion to accept the fiscal year 2023 24 annual report so moved second i have a motion and a
second any discussion any public comments being none will you call the role please scott Stoner yes john Compole yes tracy Grubs yes sean Ger yes lance Green yes
item six is for consideration to recommend approval of the economic incentive agreement with with Commons 4075 LLC do I have a motion to recommend approval of the economic incentive agreement with
Commons 4075 LLC and authorize the chairman and agency clerk to execute set agreement so moved a second well I have a motion and a second is there any discussion okay any public comments on
any of this final comments from the CRA prior to the vote being none call the role please scott Stner yes jonathan Fing yes tracy Grubs yes sean Gford yes lance Green yes is there any further business be brought
before the members of the Port Orange Town Center Community Redevelopment Agency i have none the meeting is adjourned and we will now convene as to the Eastport Business Community Redevelopment Agency thank you Chairman vice Mayor Grubs all
yours okay i call the annual meeting of the Eastport Business Center and Community Redevelopment Agency to order uh roll call please for the members of the Eastport Business Center and Community Redevelopment Agency scott Stner yes
jonathan Foley here drugs yes sean Gert here lance Green here okay election of chairmans do I have a motion to nominate a chairman mr chair I'd like to nominate Sean Ghart
please do I hear a second second call the role scott Stner yes jonathan Foley yes tracy Grubs yes sean Gford yep lance Green yes hearing that we have a new chairman uh
passed down to Sean Gart uh number three leading on to that all right at this time I'd need a motion to nominate a vice chairman nominate Tracy Grubs for vice chair thank you i'll second all right green
thank you we have a nomination and a second roll call please scott Stner yes jonathan Foley yes tracy Tracy Groves yes sean Gford yes lance Green yes all right there's no objection to the notice of this meeting hearing no
objection i don't have any objections to this meeting do I all right good i might want to object the chairman but I guess that's too late uh notice accepted do I have any motion to approve the minutes of the August 6 2024 regular meeting so
moved got a motion second and a second roll call please scottner yes jonathan Foley yes tracy Grubs yes john Gford yes lance Green yes okay item number five the Eastport Business Chair CRA annual
report for uh uh year ending 2023 24 do I have a motion to accept this report for the Eastport Business Center Community Redevelopment Agency so moved second i have a first and a second any
discussion about that roll call please oh we need to do public comments public comments does anyone have any comments about that okay none being heard roll call please scott Stoner yes jonathan Folley yes tracy Grubs yes sean Gford yes lance Gr
yes okay final comments for the CRA will we call the vote to close this meeting none being heard I call the meeting to uh close thank you Chairman reconvene back as the city council at this time i get a
motion to approve consent agenda items 5 through 12 move to move to approve consent items 5- 12 second it call the roll councilman Foley yes councilman Gford yes councilman Green yes vice Mayor
Grubs yes mayor Stelner yes 5 consent moving on to item E public participation for nonag agenda items i know several folks have filled out cards to talk about item 21 which is the fluoride item later in the meeting so I'll hold on to
these cards so if you're here or you wish to speak about that particular item that is an agenda item and we will be having that here momentarily uh Emma Clark come on up and Cad Atwood you will be next okay
just uh Emma before you start so um just a notation on um on speaking on non-aggenda items so when you come up to talk if you'll just tell us who you are and and where you're from where you live um it's your three minutes to speak the the council doesn't want to interrupt
you we're not going to answer questions if you bring something up that either someone on the council wants to comment about we will do that later and our council comments or the city manager will be able to comment or the city attorney so this is your three minutes to speak and welcome Emma thank you how
are things in the chamber they are doing really well um so I'm here on behalf of the Port Orange Chamber today i just have a couple of updates and I wanted to thank you all for your participation in all of our events and being a part of um the chamber activities that we have
going on so our next event is actually tomorrow it is a ribbon cutting for Catfish Commons at 9:30 a.m and then we have a business after hours on Thursday from 5 to 7 at Masterpiece
Jewelers we started a reverse raffle this week that will be going up until April 25th uh you can buy tickets online for $25 and it goes to support the Chamber Foundation and then on April 9th we just started advertising for a job fair that we'll be
hosting um so we're actively seeking uh local employers that would like to participate the job fair again is April 9th from 10:00 a.m to 2:00 p.m and then on April 16th one of our signature events of the year is the Tasteful
Affair um which will be from 5:00 p.m till 8:00 p.m and tickets for all of these events are uh on our website and then we are also doing a youth civic leadership program this summer that we are taking applications for and it's a great program for high school students
so those applications are also online excellent that's it for me thank you good to see you good to see you cat Atwood mayor council how y'all doing good um I'm here to share about an event that we're hosting uh Ken and I for anybody who doesn't know I'm a
patient at Mayo and uh my I have a brain disease that's very rare and we're trying to bring a conference to the United States we got it to the state of Florida they wanted to put my name and my face to this conference i said we'd only do it
if we got it in Blush County we got it so it's going to be in Blush County uh probably November 7th through 9th we don't have the dates confirmed yet we do know that Halifax is going to host it in the conference room there in the towers but we are going to do a catwalk right
here November 8th at the Riverwalk Park it will be open to the public i have links i'll get those out to city sites later uh we'll be seeking some sponsors and stuff but what it is is not I used to be a runner i can no longer run so we
took a piece of property over there and measured it out for a half a mile distance after the national anthem is played i need a singer by the way um everybody will start at the start line and if you take one step and turn around and finish you are a finisher and
we will celebrate you and you will be rewarded as a finisher in any other event that that has happened on a race um we have built it purposely if you see my announcements it said this is a catwalk for everybody i have been corrected about 400 times it is
everybody not everybody because we wanted it to be open to people of any ability physically so they can run walk crawl get pushed pulled or carried use a stroller use a walker use a wheelchair or an electric scooter there is no limit
as long as you come out and participate cross the finish line we're going to celebrate we're actually going to have a red carpet at the finish line so I hope everybody happily sachets across that carpet because I will not be participating i'll be standing on the carpet the whole time we have media coverage already interest um I think
it's going to do a lot for the city too i think it's going to bring a lot of attention here uh the count the conference is going to be open to international medical communities and we already know a couple people from the United Kingdom that are coming over and um we're really excited about it so I
just want to let Porn Orange know first we have to Ken and I are on schedule to talk to every council all 16 cities in the county to make sure that every community is invited and aware of it um and we hope it's the first of many annuals people are familiar with Me Strong in Dand i'm very close to that
organization we are going to try to make this the same in Port Orange once a year so just want to let you know thank you very much appreciate that say that date again november 8th it's 08 8 a.m start uh it'll be in front of the chamber building is where it's going to start
and we'll have um if I have a few minute a second I'm going to be contacting all the local schools in Port Orange and asking for singers and cheer squads and teams like that to stand on the corners so thank you come walk i'll opt out of the singing come walk you don't want me
singing come walk all right thank you good to see you matt will do the singing patricia Toiver welcome thank you my name is Patricia Talver i live at Brierwood uh estates
it's off of Nova and Taylor area um as everyone in Port Orange we've flooded these last few years we have a canal uh that runs along the street Normandy which is a city street we have three or
four city streets that run through our park that canal has not been drudged they do come and cut it but it has not been cleaned and we are a 55 and over community and another problem with along
the canal the street Normandy the stumps are pushing up into the road the road is uneven i've taken many pictures where I mean
the sidewalk comes up to a point and more than 50% of our residents are 70 years old and they're out there walking day and night they all have dogs the older they are the smaller their
dogs but so we were looking for help we got a a uh petition together we got 126 signatures i took pictures of the streets
uh the street Normandy and we're just looking for some help okay if you if you want Are you done yep if you want to give that to the clerk and I'll pass this on to the city manager not 100% they know better than I do uh but I believe that canal actually belongs to the county but we'll pass that on if
that's the case see that's where we're That's okay it's all good button yeah a lot of those canals belong to the county can you pass that down to the Thank you city manager theresa Perez perez
come on up how are you welcome okay my issue is um hearing on the Facebook page about the the boat ramps okay and then you want to propose on this thing for Riverside to have a a boat that doesn't make sense i don't
understand why you're waiting till August when we have all these people that come come from all different places and the boat you only have one open boat ramp and you're not going to have any of them open until after August there's already fights now and I know this because my sister got into a fight from
somebody not being there and because they don't know boat uh etiquette and they got into a fist of fight years ago so you're asking for more problems with only one ramp open for the summertime with all these boers i mean you I mean I've never heard of it i've been in Port
Orange we moved here in ' 85 i've never heard of this this I mean this city is really going downhill i can't believe this i mean I'm really disgusted with everything with all your building that you've let happen with not taking care of i mean we've had
hurricanes before destroy the docks guys i don't understand what's taking so long to put the docks back in when you know you have all these voters that's why people also move here and we have more people that move down here now i don't understand why it's going to take until
after the summer time to get docks um done it doesn't make any sense and just like the flooding issues this is ridiculous and I know where she's talking about because on the other side of Brierwood is Pineland and there's two Normies where they have and then there
and then off of Nile Street there's also canals there that need to be Yeah they're cut but they're never drudged so thank you you're welcome thank you Joe Wazniaak i apologize if I'm
mispronouncing welcome thank you uh Joe Waznjak retired postmaster New Simrna Beach i've been in Pelican Bay for 32 years coach basketball in Port Orange uh I have an issue with the city of Port Orange uh my
wife was uh totaled uh reckless driver total two cars at Luigi's at Herbert and Nova uh the officer at the scene uh he ticketed her i I don't I don't know what exactly for but you know reckless driving or
something he listed her as a driver and listed her as having insurance with Progressive Insurance Company it's on the police report page two all cars uh were towed darrow Port Orange has a contract with them in Holly Hill my wife
was advised by the police that the progressive adjuster would go there and estimate damages after several days of no adjuster and a um towing impound fee that was escalating I was notified by Progressive Insurance that the car was
owned by the driver the car was insured but the driver who destroyed the both cars she hit another car and then mine was excluded from the policy she's circumventing the system by owning a car it is insured but she is
excluded as a driver she's not being held accountable for driving without insurance the Port Orange police need to do a follow-up investigation now that I got this letter uh showing she has no insurance and ticketing her for driving
her without insurance and then her license is revoked and she loses her registration to her vehicle uh I I've tried several times i've talked to the ticketing officer his supervisor was going to call
me i talked to the chief chief was very great but nobody's gotten back to me and I would like to refer it to you sir cuz I heard you were very versed in traffic and uh that you would be able to help me out uh you know I' I'd like you to ask
your instructions to put orange to follow up on the incident in light of the fact the driver has no insurance uh hopefully they can initiate a process in your investigation and when when they stop somebody that they know
they're not insured i you I don't know how or what i think the officer told me he wrote ran their tag and that's how he figured out he she had insurance but she did not so if you could help me out I appreciate it i'm out $7,000 and uh you
know this is the second or third time she's done this and she's still driving with a license so thank you thank you Joe thank you thank you Jeff thanks Jim michelle I believe maybe the last name is u Utton welcome Michelle
good evening everyone i live at 5400 Kasi Boulevard Port Orange Florida i am a resident here and what I have to say is important i have lived here all my life i raised three kids here that all of them serve in the US
Navy i have done my my duty and my kids don't even want to call this place home anymore i am totally against the fluoride in the water we do not need to be drinking our children don't need it for health benefits
on top of that there is a dentist down the road that isn't for it as well i'll make sure he shows up again but in case you don't remember who I am I served on Governor Dantis round table along with surgeon general Latapo i'm Fiser vaccine
injured my city my county my state and the entire government does not give one rats behind about me and I'm tired of it i'm suffering from chronic inflammation demyolation polyuropathy
POTS MCCASTs i The Gail study came out i'm still producing spike after,500 days right now I'm on a cancer protocol which I just got done sorry for my delay here but now I'm on a cancer protocol
there is no cure for me besides me having to worry about paying $17,000 a month for medical i don't think any of you would want to pay a $17,000 just to stay alive and that's what I have to do infusions every week of
IVIG i have to take medications for my heart i also have mater syndrome which my blood doesn't throw flow through my body with all the expenses that I have I have gone to my city my county and my
government and I'm continuously being ignored there's more people out here that are injured by the COVID vaccine as well but nobody wants to address this there's going to be a time that one of you if you've taken it you're going to wonder "What doctor do I need to go to
what test do I need to do?" because these doctors aren't going to see you i have to travel out of state and and to different counties just to see doctors to be treated because nobody will treat me and if you want to know where I got my shot from Advent Health and they have
ignored me and I will put a lawsuit on everyone because my death is on everyone's hands and everyone has their hands against humanity and I know many of you up here do you want to see me die do you
want to see me die so help me God i will make sure that everyone knows that all of you including our governor and our administration doesn't give a crap about
me and I will not put up with this anymore and stop the fluoride thank you Michelle you pass those down to Wayne for me item F comments council members let's start with Councilman Foley tonight i've got nothing tonight councilman Grubs
we talked about this two weeks ago um with concerns about uh EV and I know uh Chief Marino saw it and we we talked about this two weeks ago and then unfortunately we had a lady of 70 years old get run over on
the beach of a EV vehicle bike running down the beach speed limit is 10 miles an hour on the beach I believe and they were running closer to 18 to 20 miles an hour when they ran her over these are some of the
concerns that I have for the city for the future we got to be proactive for this so uh you're going to hear more about this in the future i just want to keep it out there people understand that accidents are out there it's not just our city we literally had it happen on a
public beach and the more crowdier it gets the more access the EVs are getting because of the pricing it's going to be a higher potential down the road uh April 9th job fair i might have missed it it's held at
the chambers uh yes it will be held at the chamber from 10 a.m until Okay we haven't started advertising for it yet so it will be coming soon okay wanted to make sure um and then uh team Atwood guys did a beautiful job on your
Facebook ad uh last week uh she's already got that posted up for the the November 8th catwalk um phenomenal event that she has designed over time and uh I'll be there i will already signed up
for it uh I just had my last surgery believe it or not yesterday so council up here thinks I'm nuts but I'm here i'm here for you guys and uh we'll be there walking uh side by side with everybody so that's what I have
right now well we're glad you're here yeah absolutely thanks Gford yes um two things one I want to uh commend our staff uh Wayne Clark our city manager and our engineer
and our vice mayor and everyone who put together our program for us to go to Tallahassee and ask for uh what is very well needed for our community to help with our flood conditions and we'll talk more about that uh in our workshop
coming up on the 25th but uh I wanted to say publicly that we have a team of people and that really really care and they did a fantastic job and I'm very proud of the way they presented themselves and the reception they received from the individuals they spoke with uh we're really working hard in
Tallahassee to bring uh relief to us um you know the great thing about our city is we're way ahead in the fact that we've we've secured a lot of funding we're asking for a lot more but we're so prepared and that's going to hopefully help us get ahead in the list of
priorities for Florida there's a lot of people asking for a lot of money i'll tell you what I don't think they had a team asking them like we were so really proud of Juno and Wayne for your efforts and Robin thank you so much very proud and our mayor was with us and uh it was
a it was a great experience it's not my first time there and we were well prepared and I really appreciated that also want to uh bring up u a loss that occurred in the last couple uh weeks uh to an educator that taught in
uh county for 31 years leslie Sparks uh recently she was a teacher at Port Elementary and she lost her battle to cancer and I just want to publicly recognize her service and the the lives that she affected over the years she was an amazing friend to me and to many
other people and uh it's just a terrible loss for this community to lose an educator like that who was still working never got to see a day of retirement so uh hug your loved ones that's all I've got yeah Leslie don't mind my kid second grade
um I just got a couple things um that I I brought up with staff this week uh one of my main concerns is is is a non-emergency line um our residents are being told to to call a non-emergency line when we have issues that aren't 911
issues and the emergency line is not being answered and it's not being responded to and uh I don't feel as though it's it's fair to our residents to to not have a response um I know multiple situations where again people
are calling this number and we're just we're doing nothing about it and I I feel like we need to follow through with something on this somehow um you know the response I'm getting right now is well we're just understaffed or they're underst staffed because it's going it's going to the county and it's going to
county dispatch that's not an answer i mean that's just not acceptable answer to me so I would like to see us figure out how or what needs to be done so that our residents are being responded to so that we're not calling 911 on something
that's not an emergency but but to not get an answer at all I don't think is acceptable so I'd ask Wayne to and Robin to let's look into that um the next issue I'm looking forward to is the is the new uh code enforcement officer coming on board uh I think we got a
couple more weeks and our new guys coming on board i'm looking forward to uh to a revamp of that particular uh department i guess not saying a revamp but I'm looking for a new vision and a new goal with the new officers that we have coming on board uh the new director
we have coming on board and and with us being at again 90% built out we need to maintain the levels of which our city is and um we know we have some really nice spots but we also got some really bad spots that need to be addressed so uh
looking forward to um code enforcement the new officer as we as we move forward on that so that's all I got tonight that's it all right appreciate it uh I wanted to recognize Debbie Phillips tonight from uh Congressman Corey Mills office welcome we're happy to have you here tonight um also wanted to just to
echo Council Gford's comments about our trip to Tallahassee um up there um trying to do our best to compete statewide with state funding to to bring back for flood mitigation projects and other infrastructure projects it's uh it's it's something to to see right i
mean it's a just the navigation of that process up there and the uh the state capital is is I'm glad that we've got staff that knows where they're going because it's uh you got to have that you got to have somebody that can help you kind of get around and know where to be and when to be there um I want to also
recognize uh Senator Tom Wright and House Representative Chase Traymont uh and thank them for sponsoring um our applications to to try to get some of this funding they will not be able to do things on their own so I encourage those to reach out thank them uh encourage
them uh ask them where we can get more help from because they won't they can't do this on their own and um you know everybody's fighting for for precious dollars at the state capital to try to bring back to their municipal and county government so um we'll talk more about
that in our flood work our flood workshop coming up here at the end of the month so um city attorney comments that Mr city Manager have one thing earlier tonight on the consent agenda we
approved you guys approved us to apply for a fine grant for the day dock it was discussed earlier so it was about $800,000 match on the city's part with it that would be covered by fine of the other 800,000 as part of that you know we have Theresa Brooks as our grants administrator and she works with us
while we were going through this project she found another grant source for us out there and it doesn't require a match from the city so technically by rule it doesn't require me to get I can apply for it without council approval but I have to bring it back to you to accept it but this particular grant which is
the Florida Boating Improvement Program FBIP does require acknowledgement from council so whether our policy does or not I have to get your acknowledgement that it is okay to apply for this grant it would cover 400,000 of our 800,000 match and so it would allow us to build
the dock for basically $400,000 so if if council will acknowledge that then I can authorize her to apply for that i'll acknowledge that i acknowledge anytime you can find Grant and other people money yeah bring it back we will we will go forward with that okay okay and then
the the other stuff we have is you mentioned there several people came up and spoke we'll have staff follow up with them and got their contact information so and you are correct normandy is a county maintained ditch we do mow it but we'll get the we will work with the we we don't just say call the county we try to help and call and help
out so Rob and staff will help get everybody in touch with that as we go forward who who is the the best resource for those that want to find out more about the upcoming uh boat ramp facility project who's the best resource for those folks to call to get information there's there's a lot more to that than
what you see on social media and meets the eye and so I want to make sure our parks department is and when we get a little closer we'll if you would like us to we'll just have Juno and Susan do a presentation for council to go through that if you'd like us to do that i know that project did it get awarded yet do we know it did not get awarded yet did
not get awarded yet okay so all right anything else no sir all right very good item 16 citizen advisory board for the TPO mr bobby Ball how are you sir good to see you good bobby Ball with the CAC for the TPO we
had our monthly meeting today it was pretty short um basically a small update to the 5-year TIP program and then um I also volunteered just stay on the subcommittee that does the ranking for the project so I try to keep the Port Orange project up high and then uh DOT
report miles drive signal is uh starting this month if it hasn't started already and um the call for projects by uh by the TPO is ends this month and staff is um preparing the application for what Port Orange has going in and it'll go in before the deadline and that that's all
I've got i will just under under your uh your your item here just make a comment for for council because I had had someone ask me about it and confirmed it with the city manager so when when you see some of the rankings of projects specifically for our municipal area
ranked within our interest through the TPO there are different lists and those particular ones uh have something to do with us having money or skin in the game as they say that doesn't mean there aren't other very impactful projects that would that would uh be part of the
Port Orange area or the Southeast Lucia County area that aren't on other list those are just uh other lists where other agencies government county or state they're they're funding all of it and so there is no skin from us in those so there are other projects out there so when you see those lists and you're like
well what about this street or this you know Williamson overpass or something else there there are other lists out there so particularly for that one so anything else no sir so Bobby you did say your guys are you guys are making the list within the next So the the coffin project comes out through the TPO
and then u they take all the applications and and put the ones that are appropriate for the the monies that the TPO can distribute into um into a pile and then the subcommittee will go through them review them rank them and then it comes before the the full CAC the technical advisory committee and
then the actual um TPO board does it come in front of us or does do we see that tonight you had the item that was the submitt for this year is a feasibility study for a trail that would go down the FPL easement link into Williamson and come back down Willow Runs you'd have this full trail yeah so
that one and and that that's this year's submitt we have about 20 others already in there in various funding cycles okay yeah thanks Bobby and I'll just interject one other thing for some of the newer council members so um so there's a lot of projects and they won't all get funded in one year obviously um
but I want to say that the staff has done very good at being proactive and having projects ready to go that we can anticipate probably won't get funded this year but in the past what has happened is other cities have had projects of interest that have ranked up high on the list but then they end up
not being shovel ready and those projects get pulled and Port Orange has benefited from that because we've had projects ready to go so that's having a a staff that is being proactive and having Well what we're seeing is the amount of time it takes to get to shovel ready is probably a hell of a lot longer than it is to get to the work for sure
to do the work in some cases there is staff's also done a good job of combining different projects to where they get more points on the ranking system to get funded higher and better so um we're doing pretty good as a whole thanks Bobby good thank you for service appreciate it thanks Bobby
now for the public hearing portion of the meeting item 17 first reading of ordinance number 2025-09 that's an ordinance of the city of Orange Lucia County Florida relating to comprehensive planning amending the future land use map of the comprehensive plan amending the future land use flu
designation for plus 1.2 acres from the commercial to mixeduse center authorized transmitt to required agencies providing for conflicting ordinances severability and an effective date i get a motion to approve ordinance number 2025-09
i move to approve ordinance number 2025-09 second sir we could Could we also yes please we're going to open up item number 18 first reading of ordinance number
2025-10 it's an ordinance of the city of Orange Blush County Florida reszoning property consisting of approximately plus or minus.58 acres from community commercial CC to catfish commons plan community commercial development PCD approving the second restated master development
agreement catfish commons plan commercial development MDA and conceptual development plan CDP providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances severability and an effective date can I have a motion to approve that one as well i've been a motion to approve ordinance number 2025-10
and I'll second it items 17 and 18 are on the floor all yours all right thank you tim Burman community development um this is basically um kind of a follow-up to what you previously approved for the economic incentive agreement we got to give the applicant something else to do so he is moving forward with further redevelopment plans for this Catfish
Commons area the um project consists of basically adding or adding um the property of the current funeral home property into the PCD and also doing some amendments to the um future use of the ant catfish property then so as stated um basically there is a future
land use amendment as part of this and it's changed these two existing commercial properties into mixed use um and then the PCD or the um restatement there would allow for the funeral home to be developed with a mixeduse project that can consist of retail on the first
floor and up to eight units on the um floors there uh also a 12 slip marina and then the PCD also allows for the ability to add up to two units onto the catfish um um building then and again that is for future development purposes
just to get the um there then the main focus is on the funeral home for the redevelopment them um as with restatement there are a few deviations from the code again we're dealing with infill site so we typically run into these situations here so the first one is to allow for
um the reduced sideyard setback um on there there is an existing building the applicant is looking at to keep that existing building and add on to it then um so basically there is a request to establish a 4ft setback which that building is currently set back to make that a conforming structure if the
building has to be demolished and rebuilt then the request is for a five- foot side step back again that's dealing with the narrow lot to ensure that we can basically get a good size building on there along with the separation requirement that is needed then between the adjacent properties there's also a request for a zero foot rear yard
setback again that basically abuts to the existing PCD so it's internal within the PCD then so staff is um recommending approval of both of those um setbacks there is a request for um on street parking to basically back out onto Halifax Drive we approved uh previously
approved this in 2022 for the property to the south this would allow for parking angled parking on to the um I guess that'd be the east side which would be predominantly for the marina project there and then there would also be on street parking on the west side
which would be about five spaces um to access the mixeduse center there there's currently on street parking there with the funeral home now uh the proposed would basically be to improve that by moving it further out to the road and make it angle so it had better visibility then and the last um item
then is the landscape buffer the intent is to expand a front yard kind of an entertainment area then with yard games food trucks um deck on this front porch front portion of the um funeral home property take advantage of the waterfront view and um have an activity
center there for the retail as part of that and along with the on street parking there there is not significant room for the 10-ft required landscape buffer so the applicant is requesting to wave that buffer requirement due to the fact that they're basically doing this entertainment yard they'll have foundation plannings and
also architectural treatments on the building um to compensate for that then there's also two a sideyard setback the code requires 5T due to the um narrow building that would be there there and along with a setback then the request is to make that waiver between four to 5T
and all the plings that would be required in a 5ft buffer would still be planted in here so staff is recommending approval of both the MDA or the restatement and the future land use amendment and the applicant is here to further discuss it we're going to ask
him lots of questions anybody from council have anything for staff yes I do go ahead so uh on uh when we approve you know if we approved this and we talked about um adjusting the west side of Halifax to
allow some games you know cornhole stuff like that entertainment does that is there like time limits on when that can happen i mean food trucks can be noisy uh that kind of
entertainment can be you know depending on the level of they'd have to comply with they'd have to comply with the um noise requirements noise ordinance then so they'd be restricted to noise ordinance similar to all the other commercial establishments in that area then okay
anything else no I have nothing council angle park angle parking that that took care of my first safety concern is you know squaring it up and then backing we're going to have accident after accident but that solved the first
question I had the five foot uh setback um that is on the existing property that they already own at the same time correct so they're encroaching on to their own okay I'm good their property their project for sure correct read anything
no okay here the applicant want to come up and talk welcome good evening how you doing good to see you uh Brendan Gabriath um developer property owner of Capri Commons partner um couple things first I appreciate your
support earlier in the meeting with the um support of the TIF um that's important to us um things are expensive these days and any participation from a good partner like you guys is appreciated and um and I appreciate Emma speaking up um about tomorrow's 9:30 um ribbon cutting at the corner building
Cafe Common so we have the three out of four tenants open and we have a commitment from our fourth tenant which will open late summer so awesome real happy with that project and I hope you guys are too it should be a nice morning tomorrow and I just looked at my phone so we have Chamber of Commerce weather uh lined up it's going to be 65 and
sunny so come on down to the corner tomorrow morning but um this project is just a continuation of what we have going um just I'll give you an update on the marina to the um south at 4108 which you guys approved a while back um we're at the tail end of permitting we just um a week or two ago we got approval you
have to identify the location for the spoils when you do dredging so we just um we're going to locate it in the riveryard so um you know been working with Charles and Tim on that so we got that to that letter of approval to the state um a week or two ago and I think we're down to a notification period
which I think is um the state sends out and they have a 21-day response time and then we got to pay a couple fees and I think we're done with the state as far as having the land lease in place and then we'll move into some um construction drawings and permitting with you guys so so that's moving along but u we just you know appreciate your
support and answering questions but I think it's um we kind of feel like we have the same vision that you guys do for that side of town so we're hoping that you're happy with what we're doing I appreciate the uh I appreciate your and your family continued interest in
and uh investing and redeveloping in a lot in in the oldest areas of the city um it's incredibly important as you know travel around the state of Florida you see other other areas of the state that they were they were booming in the 30s
40s 50s and 60s and then they've just they've just uh been left to to go away and and and fall into somewhat disrepair and ruins and having folks like yourself that are willing to reinvest in these oldest areas and by the way I got to tell you I went down and and cheated
before tomorrow and and took a look at this newest project and wow did that come out good it's you know when we look at drawings a lot of times I I got to see it i I mean you know you look at a drawing and you're like "Okay I think that's going to work or not work or what have you." And then when you go and see
it and and I just want to commend you that again what a beautiful project i mean it it looks good on you know just from the intersection it just looks good but when you go up there and you actually like I thought Foxtail was open i got run out of there they were doing
some training but yeah but they're open now yeah just got to do a quick peek inside beautiful i mean it's gorgeous and so um I've already seen people coming in and out parking lots been full so um obviously going to be another great success and so I I do appreciate
your continued interest in investing in in those parts of the city so I don't I don't have any particular questions for you though thank you good all right thanks Brandon any uh any public comments or questions on item 17 or 18
robert come on up right ahead mayor council members Robert Reinhagen 1425 Dexter Drive Port Orange uh with regard to the parking in this um right now I've noticed that the the
people that go to Catfish and Catfish restaurant they park across the street in the Riverwalk area so that potentially is not going to be available in the future because it might get built up itself so um when they're talking
about parking they're asking for a waiver where they can reduce the buffer zone to move the sidewalk to make room to create on street parking and then they talk about um the on street parking is going
to serve the marina and I find that a little inappropriate that public parking spaces should become reserved for the marina if if the marina wants their own parking they have to buy property to put
their own parking on i object to them reserving spaces for the marina and then they talk about the the units that are going to be built above the building above the commercial units and they say that the
uh all of the parking spaces are going to be considered common so that means there's no reserve parking for the uh the units the that are above the the buildings and there's going to be another two units over above and catfish
so where do they park um and then they're talking about uh tandem parking spaces and those are going to be reserved for employees so they do have some that are going to be reserved and they're not
going to be common and I think it's just very confusing the whole issue so um I'd like you to get clarification of that before you approve it thank you thanks Robert thank you Robert anybody else wishing to speak on item 17 or
18 back to council any other questions council to the clerk uh on item 17 ordinance number 2025-09 call the role councilman Foley yes councilman Gford yes councilman
Green yes vice Mayor Grubs yes mayor Stilner yes 5 on item 18 first reading of ordinance number 2025-10 call the role councilman Foley yes councilman Keer yes councilman Green yes vice Mayor Krebs yes mayor Stilner
yes 50 brings us to item 19 first reading of ordinance number 2025-11 that's an ordinance of the city of Poria County Florida approving the first amendment sorry first amendment to the master development agreement for the summer
trees plaza plan commercial development to allow additional commercial uses consistent with the uses allowed in the city's conventional commercial zoning commercial zoning districts and update signage and architecture requirements to be consistent with current land development codes providing for the
repeal of conflicting ordinances severability and providing an effective date can I have a a motion to approve ordinance number 2025-11 motion to approve 2025-11 second have a motion and a second all
your Tim Bourbon Community Development the uh Summer Tree PCD is um it's located on the west side of Port Orange it's basically south of Taylor Road between Summer Trees Road and Williamson Boulevard it is the shaded area here in the um in the graphic there it consists
of five sites site A and B are currently developed with commercial uses right now site C and D are vacant but have established commercial uses since this was basically zoning about 30 years ago then uh site E is a stormwater pond that serves drainage for Williamson Boulevard
then um the applicant has currently about 24 uses that are allowed on that property right now that are commercial uses the request that they are making is to add additional uses to the um PCD the first is there's two kind of um tiers to
this and the first is for site A through um D it would be to allow the use of um private school what's happening on that one there but uh it would be to allow the use of private school it also be allowed to micro brewery and the craft be food
beverage use that would be on sites A through um the event the uh second tier is um to allow self storage on and boat storage on site C and D in addition with the request to add those uses there are special development requirements that
have been placed in the PCD to ensure that wider buffers are provided more architectural treatment on that those buildings are provided there that the um basically the door exterior doors of the garages are inside the structure versus outside and that the boats basically are
screened then from the um adjacent properties and the rightway then uh again the applicant has made this request then um they are here to further discuss it uh and then regardless of any use that's put on either site C or D it will require a full site plan for staff
to evaluate transportation storm water buffers etc and some of the questions that came up in um planning commission was access to the property this property site C and D does have at least five points of access onto existing road network so it is very well connected to
the roadway and also storm water has already been built in for this site too then so storm waters exists for anything built on site CD then so for the most part this site to be developed with any use is essentially parking spaces building landscape buffers and the internal um utilities underground then
so staff um is recommendation of approval and the planning commission's recommendation with approval and the applicant's here to further discuss the request so is the is the storm water that's on site E already calculated in for site C and D or when it there's
actually storm water ponds depressions on site C and D okay and then basically flows into site E and then further down Williamson into eventually Spruce Creek then right okay understood understood any uh questions or comments
for staff reed no I don't I don't think so i think I'm all right for right now tracy I'm good for now councilman Green so are you adding you're adding another designation to site A which is the bank site yes site A
which is the bank site would be allowed to have for terms of redevelopment in the future that would be the use of private school micro brewery or the craft food and beverage could be a use that could go into the bank site if the bank site is ever redeveloped and then also too for the site B which
is multi-tenant okay i think you know the applicant was looking you know down the way basically add these uses as if the banks go out then which we typically see here in Port Orange we basically have uses that go into them yeah i didn't think it was a brewery but
it's closer okay that's all I got council Governor yeah um for site B would there be a school or in a brewery be allowed to be in that existing building no currently it fits right now no with this if this got approved that could be
basically a use that would go in there there um would have to be meet the criteria in the code then but that is an option for in that multi-tenant building then all right the criteria in a code can I have a brewery next to a school is my question basically I mean if there's a school going in there then
the basically the private school then it would trump then the brewery coming in then so that would be the criteria that we look at then right now whoever gets there first yeah whoever gets there first we don't have a school in there or Right so right now all these sites in A and B are occupied right now so I'm
playing devil's advocate in site B that's a four tenant building right now i think it's uh Yeah there's maybe it's three tenants now no it's four it's actually four I think uh Florida Healthcare is there y and then there's the mobile there's a salon and then
there's a dentist dentist so that's four there's a couple more so if they all vacated it could I have half the building a school and the other half a micro brewery with this designation change no basically which oneever came in first would basically be the youth set that then so if the school came in
first it's the bank that you're doing the change on not that we're doing again these are just they're not these are not we're not changing the bank they're just adding uses to possible redevelopment opportunities to take the list of uses from one to 24 to
28 or 27 then okay so so the owner of the building for B could subdivide that to two units correct two units or basically you know one unit and rent it out and then at that time if one unit was a brewery could the other unit be a school if
basically in terms of when we look at our license basically in our code there if the alcohol establishes in there first and the school wants to come in then that is a possibility basically when we look at it from a standpoint of a school existing and the alcohol comes into that's when basically trips the
requirements in I see myself having this conversation 10 years from now when the economy changes and some guy wants to put a brewery right next to a school right next to a brewery and I had a sleepover with my daughter had four nine-year-olds yesterday over the house there i definitely could have
used a brewery last night on that one man so I'm just saying there might be something there to it it's the best thank you that's That's a winning line Tim there you go that is a love spring break yeah one of the um one of the
challenges that I think we're going to see as as businesses change especially the banking we already see it quite a bit is the the the need and use for more brickandmortar banks is dwindling quickly as more and more people do
everything online yes absolutely so I mean that's that's something all over the United States that you're seeing and so being active and having the last thing we want is a bunch of buildings that are sitting falling apart being uncared for we've got one on we've got
an old bank on Nova Road that's been sitting there for I don't know how long that thing's been the truest yeah right so Sunbank um these are these are things we're going to have to think about and decisions and and businesses change and and what buildings are can be conformed
to do and and prosper in is going to change as well so we'll be seeing more things like that anybody have anything else for staff want to come up and talk come up here he doesn't get to get paid the list I have in I got to talk myself out of it
uh good evening joey Posie for 20 South Nova attorney for the applicant and um just to also clarify too I we had a scheduling error on our part uh the owner wanted to be here too and he just couldn't be here tonight um to maybe give you a little bit the method of the madness uh because you
know in isolation I think I I can understand where you're coming from but um really how we were approaching this was um you know really what uses can we foresee here that really can capture site C and D and also try to expand opportunity to make sure that we can you know try to get the highest and best
here but not in a way that would otherwise impact the existing network and system you know in terms of traffic and other other considerations like that so um you know we really backed into what uses we thought would maybe be appropriate to expand it to we didn't say "Well if the bank goes away who what
do we want there?" So we'd love the bank to stay there forever so um you know that's really how we got there uh and there is no short-term plan for any of them to leave so um the the other thing that um we I just wanted to touch on that came up at planning board was you
know the discussion about the storage and uh the nature of that use and um you know again I I recognize a lot of the growth that's occurred in the city and some of the places that you've seen these storage facilities i if I had to pick one this is a pretty good one because it's so tucked in behind
everything and you know it's hard to see visually and it's also um you know in an area of the city that if you foresee that this is going to be something you know you're trying to tackle it in a way that doesn't impact your networks that doesn't impact your traffic that's a very difficult area just from a you know
from a quantity standpoint of cars to uh have to deal with and you know storage kind of solves your problem when it comes to those issues um you know there's no immediate plan it's just uh you know when you have talks with these folks and then you know when developers come to you and say well what what's what's available what can you do you you
got to be able to say well these are these are the opportunities and you know those are tough discussions to have when you say well consider this one without the opportunity really being in hand you you know you they'll just keep walking so um you know that's really what we were thinking and how we got to these
uses um you know utilities trying to lessen impacts you know what uses we thought could lessen traffic impacts you know how can we do it in a way that can be tasteful and that was working with staff in a way to try to create these criteria and and honestly I think I can
solve this the problem too with the maybe the conflicting of the uses I I don't mind codifying the current rule into this agreement so if the rule changes it's always the it's always the rule rule uh so there's never a discussion 10 years from now it's always the rule is what it says in the PCD and
that's what it stays uh but um those are the things I wanted to touch on i'm happy to uh address questions or if there's concerns uh you know again we're just trying to make this work and trying to do what we can to encourage something that uh you know is sensitive to the
folks that are in the area but at the same time is something where you know we can get tax dollars into the city and try to get some a piece of property that's been sitting commercial for a very long time developed and operational anybody have any questions for the opera
group so uh I do i'm sorry jump right in so basically we have this opportunity right now to make a deal that on site number B which is all under one roof that we wouldn't have a school next to a
potential whatever qualifies there in our code which on many things and could could be a brewery um I mean that that's kind of what I'd like I've been around long enough in in big cities where I've seen stuff where
I'm scratching my head how did that happen and it happened because of meetings like this weren't they weren't addressed right and um and we have an opportunity now to say no to storage and one of the biggest things that I've heard from my uh
constituents throughout this campaign and being elected was "How do you guys keep approving storage units and car washes?" Well we didn't it was in our code it was in our land use plan so we have an obligation to allow them
to do that but right now in this plan we could put a five-story motel there right yes that's correct and my favorite motel and I'm being sarcastic is not one next to a highway so if I had a storage facility which the ones that we do have built here are fantastic and they do hide things and
they do provide a service and they do lessen our traffic i much rather see that right so I like that side of this uh opportunity to change it to allow that so I don't have a fivetory motel that has a lot of transient traffic in that area i don't really want to see that but right now we could have that
right we had an investor come in and do it um so if I could give an opportunity for us not to have that I'm not actually in favor of it but I also am in favor of um I just don't want to see a monastery school right next to agree something
that's not going to be conducive and I there might even be some laws that don't allow that i don't know that's why I asked I think you've got a willing applicant here that's uh willing to to accept an altered motion and put something in the rule there that we can do to prevent that yeah so I made a
motion to Did I make that motion you can't no I Did I make a motion who Who made the motion who made the motion clerk to for first reading on 19 i think I seconded you seconded it tracy made it i will open it
okay let's uh we'll finish up comments and perhaps Councilman Grubs maybe alter the motion can I touch on one yeah absolutely that site and again the the vision back when that was to be along with u the lot on the corner which is now storage was that the Karassi Park
was going to expand to where we were going to have big tournaments and and big sporting events and they were going to stay in these hotels and that's why that was a hotel way back when and you were involved in that way back when that was always going to be a hotel because we were going to expand across and now here we got this wreck bond and that
that park is going to expand and you know may I'm hoping one Hey it's it's not needed as a hotel but that was what the vision was you know many years ago and and same with the the couple hotels and you you got one going up behind the the 7-Eleven right now and you got the couple that are on the east side of uh
95 and that was always the vision for uh for that little area as far as No it's still available yeah or at least gives you the opportunity but it gives us an opportunity for an investor who sees the benefit of having potentially storage there
i'm good thank you councilman Grubs i'm on board with them i'm good with it councilman Poland you got nothing to add yeah I I appreciate your comments i think you're uh I think you got some very valid concerns and points just a a comment in general on the the storage
concept and I know the I know the um uh the planning commission board struggles with this a lot and I think it was a 43 um you know the the one thing to keep in mind is is that on commercial property sooner or later especially in the state
of Florida there's going to be development and it's a very broad spectrum of what can get there and you see businesses that that fit a lot of different categories or the the category that there's a lot of different businesses so to speak and some of them
have very limited impact on our resources traffic police fire water utilities things like that others have tremendous impact when you do a Walmart or a Publix or a hotel something like
that you're you're bringing a lot of impact from outside of our municipal borders into your city and you're going to have a lot of impact on the resources the infrastructure of the city i hear it's the same thing you're
talking about how much how how many more storage units do you need well I don't know but none of them are going out of business and a lot of them have waiting lists but they have very little impact on our resources in our community very very little traffic in fact uh out where
I live there was one that was built out there several years ago and I remember several people talking about how bad the traffic was going to be you never see anybody coming and going i mean it's rare every now and then you see somebody coming and going from the property but it's not something you see a lot of and
so it they bring very it's it's about the smart growth concept if you want smart growth then these are the types of things that you want to allow for in your city because they are successful they still have to meet codes and take care of the properties but they don't
put a strain on your resources and and in in the city so you know there are things like that that you know those are part of the discussions for years and and you're absolutely right about that so I can second that it took me a long time on the planning commission to realize vote no to everything that that
was the least impact and I was very surprised to learn that yeah for sure anything else you wanted to offer no all right sounds good let's see if anybody else in the public wants to speak to it so stay there for just a second um dealing with Sean Ghart and we're
talking about the PCD dealing with this yes if we go in and we say site A and site B and I and I know in some cities they have it to churches to uh restaurants that can serve alcohol and things but some of them as it gets
too close to a boundary line they're not allowed to do that so if we come in here and we go site A and B if there's a school on either one of those no not at any other time can they come in and put a brewery inside there that would solve Yeah help from the code standpoint so
our code of ordinances already prohibits anything that sell you can't sell alcohol within 300 ft by air of a church or a school already in the code yeah so if they whatever you allow them here if there's a school in one of those bays they make that decision to do that they
have eliminated the rest of those bays for being somewhere that sells alcohol that's that's their choice but if they do so now if if they the place selling beer goes in first I don't think it works the other way around you can you can come in behind it but you cannot have a school or a church in there
whatever you allow on that list there's a different section of the ordinance that says you cannot within 300 ft put a church or school so so an alcohol selling establishment would be grandfathered in if they were in first but if a school went in there then an
alcohol selling establishment cannot be within three feet could not that they they would have eliminated the use that applies to private schools as well as public yes both private and public that's what I wanted clarification on and I'm good thank you okay okay there's something to say well I just to the extent if there's something that the
council feels appropriate to codify I we are open to it so you know again I I'll defer to the council but um you know your code is what it says and Well I think you see the intention here so of course yep thank you let's give the public a chance to speak and we come
back to you if we need to anybody else uh from the public want to speak on item 19 all right back to council any last comments council no anything anybody wants to change in the motion we're good good good with that clerk call the role
councilman Foley no councilman Gford yes councilman Green yes vice Mayor Grubs no mayor Stillner yes 32 item 20 approval of the shops of Summer Trees Plat when was the last time we had you
get up so many times no one P and I drew straws and I grabbed the wrong one all right getting a step this will be the last time you see me this year though all right go right ahead the final one is the summer trees um again summer trees here the
property is the summer trees plat this is located on the north side of Williamson Boulevard this is um Summer Trees in our Williamson Boulevard currently it's under construction right now with multi-tenant building and the Aldi's this is an existing commercial property what the request is to do is to
subdivide this commercial property into two commercial lots one will have the Aldi's the second will have the multi-tenant building all the sub subdivision infrastructure required is being constructed with the site improvement zone so once all the site improvements have been built all
the subdivision infrastructure will be in place then and then the plat will be recorded uh staff is recommending approval as this meets all the requirements of the land development code in terms of dimensional requirements and site regulations tim I got to ask yes why would they want
to do this the applicants here but typically we see we'll let the okay we've seen this a lot with our shopping centers here then where basically they will the all these will be owned by one property owner and the multi-tenant building will be owned by a separate um property owner there it's typically with the um the major
tenant then there will want their own property um a lot of the older shopping centers here in Port Orange have it um you know the Publix did that on a lot of them there so it's typical that we see in these larger um shopping centers where you have an anchor grocery store and then You have the multi-tenant next
to it then okay yeah questions yeah go right ahead so um so you're saying if they split these lots the parking is adequate for both lots correct they split these lots the retention is adequate for both lots
correct but what happens to the maintenance is requirement of the property owners and there's also a property owner association for the common areas there is so you're saying there is an HOA or there's a there'll be entity that'll be required to maintain the common areas such as um there that
serve these enforcable yes i want to make sure oh no that's theirs that's ours kind of thing on the plat identify all that then okay thank you yeah that's my concern as well good question yeah that's so this is not a very big
piece of property and and so visually and and kind of what's going on we see going on there today is you see it as one site one one responsibility and that's what I'm worried about is because we're we're already dealing with another location in our city where it's it's
like this and not everybody's getting along in the sandbox so to speak and and it's who's maintaining the retention pond and who's mowing this and not mowing that and you know I mean you know from an HOA perspective the city doesn't fight with HOAs so I mean that's not it's their job and their role to worry
and I I just worry about that but let's hear from the applicant i I just was very surprised to see this and I'm like I don't understand the why I guess behind this so maybe we can get an explanation on that yeah I think a lot of applicant here speak come on commercial property did we lay that out
clear as mud i think so tell us what Tell us what's going on why why why why is it that you guys want to do this so for the record Alana Smith with Cobb Cole Law Firm one Daytona Boulevard thanks so yeah the property owner is going to be it's in the Aldi lease that
it has to be on an individual lot so it's just we're making it two footprints so each lot has their own individual footprint pursuant to the lease and then yeah it will be governed by a POA that controls maintenance and everything like that which lot is the Aldi no Aldi is
lot two is lot two yes so it's it's right behind May I mayor jump in there so it it's in their lease what happens if we were to say no what what's an administrative approval you you really it meets the requirement you aren't really able to say no there isn't any
there is no judgment call here so So then it's just a I mean that's kind of where I'm at with this we've gone through this before when you separate out lots what you're required to do is agree with staff now if you want to disagree that it doesn't meet the dimension requirements access requirements and the property owner documents aren't a correctly written you
can say that but you can't go we don't think it's a good idea if your judgment is tied to makes sense is the POA correctly written does it meet the dimensional requirements and as as Tim said it's fairly common this happens a lot because they'll usually sell off one to somebody else and in they'll have
that Aldi may keep it sometimes they don't like to own property they just rent like the Applebees across the street is not owned by Applebees they they keep turning that over so somebody in commercial real estate makes money by buying it and selling it so you see that you see this happen a lot it it's really common most of our larger shopping
centers have split out properties like that and the big anchor tenants tend to be standalone even the the Riverwalk plat we were looking at it was the same way they were looking at splatting out separate the apartments from the the commercial so it's it's fairly common it's it's the the real issue here is does it meet the dimensional requirements and are the property owner
association documents written correctly to create the legal entity that will maintain the infrastructure for all of them i I got that and and again I don't have any issue i'm I'm I'm an easy yes on this but it's just when you say it's in the lease already it's like well what if it didn't pass but it sounds like it
would be a problem if it didn't meet the requirements right we had come forward and said it doesn't meet the requirements i just want my my thought is I just want to make sure we're not doing anything that handcuffs code enforcement and and and we want to we want these properties to be maintained that's that's the critical part that
obviously that's our concern so but I I do appreciate the city manager weighing in on that and basically it's more of a ministerial thing tracy anything i'm good u same thing I the concern I had was a a stones throw away we're having this
issue right now where one piece looks really and the other one doesn't but this is not the case here you guys have an agreement that it's going to be maintained through the HOA correct for through the PA yeah poa
so in that agreement there's no way to say "Okay well guess what i'm going to draw a string across my parking spot and you can't park in my parking spots." And all these parking spots are communable parking spots to the stores as an infrastructure type of thing correct i
mean yes you're dividing properties but you're saying I just want to make sure we're not "Well you can't park in my parking lot you can't park in my parking lot because that's not how the the math works on on a shopping center like this." That's Chris Rolley was Zevcon Associates 300 Interchange Boulevard
that's correct so all these spots there's no designation of you can't park here these are mine it's all communal they can interact between the two all right and that's in the agreement as far as maintenance and so on or whatever we're talking about i guess y good thank you y
anything else that is all unless you have any more questions no we'll see if any more questions for the applicant double check with the public anybody else from the public want to speak to this item i just No all right item 20 back to
council uh do we need a roll call on this one there wasn't a motion made well I'll make a motion to approve case number SUBD-24-00001 second got it councilman Foley yes councilman
Gert yes councilman Green yes vice Mayor Grubs yes mayor Stelner yes 50 thank you for clearing that up uh Mr city Manager everybody else there oh okay good all right
we are we've got uh next item is going to have quite a few I believe public participation and some discussions yep so we're going to take a quick 5m minute break so don't go away we'll be quick about that and we'll be right back
water system uh currently the city of Port Orange fluidates the water and the discussion is to whether or not we wish to continue fluidation or to cease that practice um this was an item that uh council asked to be placed on the agenda
for discussion so that we could have a open discussion i first want to say um thank you a lot of folks folks I know not everybody is here tonight but a lot of people have reached out um and had some really great discussions sent some very thoughtful information um and
emails in fact a lot of information um so we we do truly appreciate that because that type of engagement with us in that manner is very good and it's it's beneficial um we've also had uh new information uh or I should say a
recommendation by the um Florida Surgeon General who has recommended now that municipalities cease flidating uh water so there has been a lot of good information out there and so we're going to have that discussion now we'll start with uh council members first and then we're going to go to the public with
some comment i will say for those in the public that wish to come up and speak tonight you didn't you don't have to have filled one of these out so we we'll get an opportunity i'll probably go through this list first i know public speaking isn't for everybody we totally understand that um if you wish to just
come up and say "I don't want fluoride in my water i I want to keep fluoride out of my water," that is totally fine with us if you have information that hasn't been presented to us and you want to convey that that is great as well can I get you to close that door there thank
you so all right Councilman Green let's start with you any opening thoughts or comments here i don't have any open I mean again I've been putting a lot of study into this i've been I've been doing a lot of reading and um and and
you know um again I don't really know enough about it yet um I do see the trends of a lot of cities that are are doing away with it um and I also see some trends where a lot of cities are not and they're continuing what they're
doing and and a lot of that's going on locally but uh I'm willing to uh to be open-minded about this and uh to continue to listen as we go forward here council Gilbert well I've done a lot of research about
this and uh I've looked at it every which way up down sideways i've lost sleep looking at it thinking about it and uh you know we've been providing this service since 1982 um I've I've looked at the study
that our surgeon general referred to and I opened it up i looked through it from top to bottom and uh it was a you know based on the uh national toxicology um panel it's it's called the national
toxicology program and uh they reviewed this uh thoroughly uh it was a rig basically the words are rigorous scientific evaluation and they had a uh monograph conclusion
uh with moderate confidence that higher levels of fluoride exposure that's higher um could cause some IQ issues in uh young children um that level is that
uh basically such as drinking water containing more than 1.5 milligrams per liter are associated with lower IQs in children and what level do we have with added fluidation and our you know our city is
nowhere near 1.5 we're uh less than half of that and uh you know the facts are that the NTB review was designed to evaluate total fluoride exposure from all sources and
was not designed to evaluate the health effects of fluidated drinking water alone so it's important to know that there were insufficient data to determine if the low fluoride levels of 0.7 currently recommended for US
community water supplies has a negative effect on children's IQ it also had no evidence that fluoride exposure had adverse effects on adult cognition so these are words right out
of the evaluation from the National Toxicology Service which is a source from our government and one of the responsibilities that we have as a city is to provide safe and healthy water to our citizens that's our responsibility
and that's to bring it right to the top and what they do after that is up to them um whether they drink it i've drank it my whole life um Not a lot of cities are removing this there's
70% of the cities in um this country provide this water to their communities over 70% along with Florida the largest cities in our state provided Broward County Miami
Dade Palm Beach and and there have been some elected officials deciding to to not continue the process i'm not I could care less honestly i'm 57 years old and I don't necessarily need the fluoride in the
water anymore but there's a benefit by adding it the right amounts and that's proven and the the the
hydrophilic acid that we use to provide fluoride changes as chemistry works when you add water to it so it it turns it into something called fluoride which is at
the recommended dosage from the CDC is safe we're well below that or we're right below that so my staff can correct me um but we're at 7 or 6 but the other issue is
if we don't add fluoride to the water additional I have to say that because it automatically is there and throughout this world some levels are higher than others that's these are the things that I'm finding out so obviously if you're
getting higher levels as in the study you could potentially have issues but they also stated that more studies needed to occur and um you know so I've read the emails i
have 65,000 constituents in our city i have not had 65,000 issues or concerns as a matter of fact I've been kind of polling people about this issue because it's a hot topic it was brought to us by several concerned citizens about
fluoride use and I I respect that but I've asked several others many this is a big concern and they're like "No I I'm okay with fluoride and if I'm not I'll do something about it i won't drink it i'll do bottled water i'll get a a
filter my neighbor across the street got a water filter you can remove fluoride out of the water with the filter there's countertop ones there's whole house systems so there's things that the public can do if they don't want it but we owe it to our citizens to provide them
with based on the ordinances and correct me if I'm wrong safe and healthy water and we tal I talked with the attorney about the consent issue and I'm very familiar with informed consent i'm actually a
marketing director for a clinical trial company so I understand consent and when and I also understand the way I read it and I could be wrong that when the hydrofluoric acid gets turned into water
becomes fluoride it becomes more of a mineral and not a medication that's why correct me if I'm wrong the courts have not made a decision to not allow it to happen anymore because it's not a consent issue so it's an availability issue that our
city decided to do along with many others and there's huge benefits to people who can't afford a $1,000 root canal after their kids have issues with cavities and I've had three kids i've
been very lucky they haven't had cavities they've been drinking florinated water for their whole life and their IQ's are fantastic one's got two degrees from Florida State University so I don't I don't want to
dis I don't want to say that the studies aren't legitimate they are but they were looking at this study too by the way that they looked at was from Mexico City Mexico so to me that's a huge red flag and the
number of participants was less than a thousand people of pregnant women so I I know they made a huge effort but at the end of the day you know I I looked at the you know I was told by people sending me emails
hey look at this national toxicology report and I did and at the end of the day I'm like um I'm not concerned with what's in it at all because we're not providing 1.5 no one is so I did not get a ton of emails i did not get a lot of
emails i got very few based on the population of 65,000 people in our city and I believe we provide water to uh Dayton Shores Ponlet and Ponlet and Pon Inlet so this is not this is a
non-issue but here's how I feel about it i don't think the five of us should make this decision i don't i think we should put it on a ballot it's not a special election just put it on the ballot let the people debate it amongst themselves
and and I don't want to cop out and say "Oh he just threw it on an election ballot." No this is my citizens 65,000 and I think they should go out and educate themselves like I did and let them make a decision like I'll make a decision and that's and that's what's
disappointing to me is that you get elected officials throughout this state or throughout the country it's five people making a decision on millions of people based on a very few that came to a council meeting and blasted me with
information that I basically read through and like wait a second we're not adding that level so I I would uh say that let's not make this decision let's let our citizens
decide if they want it removed because they're the ones that are getting That's what I have to say councilman Green no he I already spoke all right Council Gross so for the people that did email us
thank you you did give us a lot of information i had to go dig through the information like Councilman Gerard just said it is a lot to take in when you're dealing with people's health and the concerns that we have one person up here
with the five of us voting on something of 65,000 it's it's a toll and I've always said when I took the job by election to look at these things how does it affect people
not today 10 years 20 years 30 years down the road the vote up here is something that weighs heavily on all the councilmen and I know sometimes y'all think we don't think about this stuff and we come up here and we go through
the motions but it's not it's it's a tolling job of knowing that you're affecting lives many years down the road one of the biggest things that Mike brought to me was concerning was the less fortunate the
underprivileged the kids for dental and care and is a major concern but going through and what I said two weeks ago is knowing that there is a resource at the Valuchia County Health Department that is available for those families at
no cost so the underprivilege isn't left out and and that's a big concern for me everybody should have equal health i of right now can definitely confide into equal health and
the possibilities of taking care of yourself but knowing that the Valuchia County Health Department does have a dental area for underprivileged and less fortunate that solves some of my major issues and concerns that gives us a possibility of knowing of what is
available but at the same time it is a major toll for the question we are at 6 as far as fluoride to the water the water that we have is at 3 when it comes out of the ground
different spots of the state i can tell you that it's way higher than that i help with water sampling it's one of my jobs but I'm not usually looking at fluoride when I'm diving inside the caves and pulling out water i'm looking at all the chemicals that are flush down toilets and septic tanks and they bleach
and leech into our water tables this is a bigger problem than fluoride it just never hits the news media fluoride's a hot topic because somebody came out and they started publishing information which is great that's how we
educate ourselves so I'm willing to listen both sides i will tell you that we had our retiring um administrator surgeon general was hot on this eight 10 years
ago when they were here we had the surgeon general of state of Florida come in here and tell us straight up that fluoride was needing and now we have a surgeon general now that says it's not it's a tough decision you got one on one side one on the other both at the
time everybody can call it politics both at the time of the house was the same representation inside the office of the governorship so it's a it's a tough deal you have uh five individuals looking at this i have to agree with Sean it's one
of those decisions is how we vote on this tonight or do we push it to a ballot that's a big decision that we all five have to decide up here of which direction to go with this that's what I have as of as of right now
well I appreciate comments from all of you up here and and emails phone calls i've talked to a few people i've uh emailed with a lot of people on this subject um again I I said before you know as personally
uh I guess maybe I come from a different position just because I've been dealing with a bunch of residents that have had water in their homes when I've been thinking about water in the city of Port Orange it has had nothing to do with what they've been drinking it's had to do with what's been destroying homes uh the last two hurricane cycles but
nevertheless I'm open-minded um I I don't know what direction you guys want to do it sounds like from the way the way that everyone's talking up here it's every everyone's obviously open to new information um this is a big decision for sure like you said we we
provide to for our residents also for Pon Inlet and South Daytona so there's a lot of customers that we have that uh purchase this water from us um I I would probably just advise everybody up here the state and house both have bills right now at the Florida
state level that are being heard by experts and and there's a lot of testimony and a lot of evidence and they are going to get a much better presentation than the five of us are going to get from all the information that we're getting and they're going to make a ruling we may want to follow well
if they decide to ban it then it's out immediately no questions uh asked and and I believe city manager understands that because we discussed earlier today um but but that's kind of where I am with it you know you have a lot of very well- educated people i I don't claim to
be an expert in this category i'm not even going to pretend to be uh I've learned more about it than I ever thought I would in my lifetime and I'm very appreciative of that opportunity to learn but um nevertheless I I think we might want to we might want to make sure they let the state hear all the arguments and then follow their lead on
this that's my opinion and I do not think sending and and for the record I think sending it to the ballot is a terrible idea i don't think there's any reason to go that far it's going to be decided by the House and by the state senate before then anyway that's my personal opinion
anything else no I'm good all right so from my my perspective um this this is the first time hearing uh a fluoride discussion and having a lot of people um contact me with
concerns in in many many years in fact the last time uh couple of times that that uh I've I've been through these discussions were prior to the co um virus which coincidentally I I just was as a side note seeing on the news the
other night they were talking about that's already from 5 years ago i'm like "Wow time is flying." Um but you know and I appreciate everybody's comments and concerns and and and I think um I think you're right in a in a sense that
one of the things that has happened historically when you look at the data and you look at a lot of the research is over times the levels have continued to decline i think that's something that that has happened nationally um where the federal government was advising up to four parts per million maximum you
know there was a time where you were seeing a lot of municipalities and and governments all across the United States that would be around the the 2.0 mark 1.8 mark 1.6 mark so forth and so on uh now it seems like over time it's the the
numbers have been reduced less and less and less and less um one of the things I I find interesting is as time goes by science gets better and better and better research gets better and better and better and and and adjustments are
made um that being said you know I I I may look at this a little differently since the the co thing and and that's okay if everybody doesn't agree it's just how I look at it and and choice is a big factor for me and and one of the things that came out of the co
thing afterwards mostly was whether or not people really had choice for certain things and I get that there are certain things that we may not have choices for individually i get that um so the the choice thing can be its own discussion I
guess but my perspective looking at that that's a big factor for me um I also think that you know a lot of the data and a lot of the research and a lot of the articles that you read the concept of fluidation early had a lot to do with
like Councilman Gruds mentioned you know there there are large communities globally that struggle to provide dental hygiene they don't have that and so conceptually the idea is you put it in the water everybody has to drink water
and so then that that resolves that and so but you look at a city like Port Orange and you got to ask yourself are we that city you know I look at our city as a very well-off city where dental hygiene is very very
accessible um I don't know if they still do it i think they still do it but you know I mean in elementary schools they they they talk about dental hygiene you know I mean I seem to remember when my kids were in kindergarten first grade that they would be talking they would do sections on hygiene and the importance of brushing your teeth and all those
different kinds of things so I look at our community and I I I don't see a city that fits that prior mold of how else are they going to take care of their teeth right i don't I don't know that the city of Port Orange is that so those are kind of
some of the things um that in my mind that that that I've thought a lot about and again I do appreciate all the information there are a lot of folks that you know a lot of the same studies which is totally fine um but there is a lot of information and and globally like Councilman Gerard talked about you know
this is this is this is a global matter and and a lot of the studies do come from other countries because this is one of those things where this happens a lot all over the globe this is not just something that's unique to the United States there are places where they used to do it and they don't do it anymore
there's places where they didn't do it and they probably do do it so um but anyway so let's let's hear from the public i know we got a lot of folks that that want to speak tonight a lot of these folks have spoke before and send us information so we appreciate that jennifer Kushian what I'll do is I'm going to I'm going to let you know who
who's coming up to speak and who's next michelle Edwards will be next welcome hi thank you guys um I'm Jennifer um I got a little heated back there when I was hearing our non-empathetic
uh Councilman Gopher talk about his thought process on this um I understand that he has a research background and I'm so grateful that your children are smart i have a child with
autism i have to worry about extra fluoride in the water i have to worry about what he eats i have to worry about things that could things that could trigger him and things that his system cannot
detox from if this does not get past where you guys take this out I'll have to buy a filtration system just to get it out now I'm a single mom i have two
children i'm working full-time multiple jobs to make ends meet i have access to dentistry i take my kids i have to pay $400 out of my pocket just to have their
teeth cleaned and I refuse fluoride every time every time because it's not safe for my children both of them and to hear you speak so nonchalant
and un in a way condescending i have taken my time i have taken my effort to come here on my own where are the people who disagree with fluoride or who who want fluoride in the water where are
they i don't the people who don't want fluoride in Jennifer just just focus on us just where are the people who want to keep the fluoride where are they mhm because the ones that I talk to cuz I'm also out in
the community working in the medical profession the ones that I talk to have no clue that it's even being added they know it's in there it's being added they say yes it's being added
artificial fluoridation fluoride is being added to our water they have no clue it's being added they think it's naturally occurring so I I'm Where are these people i have nothing left to say i'm
sorry thank you thank you Michelle Edwards and next will be Robert Ryanhagen welcome Michelle good evening council thank you for the opportunity to speak again on this issue of fluoridation in our city's water supply i know that I as well as many others have sent all of you
numerous studies which have documented the negative effects of fluoridated water with that said it's hard to dispute the documented long-term effects of water fluoridation regardless of its levels i would like to address a comment that was made the last time we were here in February speaking on this issue which
was that Port Orange uses a much lower level of fluoride compared to the other cities that may be true but focusing on the concentration levels overlooks the fact that it is the total daily dose of fluoride that causes toxicity not simply the concentration level of the fluoride
in the water as compelling as the research is that should not be the main focus of this discussion the most critical issue here is that our citizens currently do not have the ability to opt out of something being added to their water for medical
purposes water is essential for our survival however when we're talking about something being added for medical reasons like fluoride it should not be forced on anyone without their consent no one should be subjected to a medical intervention without having the freedom to make the decision for themselves
especially when it comes to something as fundamental as the water we drink removing fluoride from the water does not eliminate options for those who believe in its benefits there are plenty of alternatives available these alternatives allow those who want fluoride to still have access to it
without imposing it on everyone i also want to address your point Sean that the issue should be left up to the citizens to vote on while I respect the democratic process this proposal raises a serious issue my neighbor Joe or anyone else should not be able to
override my right as a parent to decide what's best for my children's health the decision to add fluoride to the water should not be a matter of majority rule it should be about individual rights ultimately this is about preserving individual rights it is about ensuring that all of us have control over what we
put into our bodies removing fluoride from the water supply would still allow those who wish to use fluoride to do so without making it a blanket requirement for everyone we can have a solution that respects individual rights while still allowing access to fluoride for those who choose it rather than deciding to
keep it in despite the research your oath to do no harm and stripping away the fundamental rights as citizens for informed consent thank you thank you Michelle thanks Michelle robert Reinhagen and uh Paul Barber i know I'm going to mess it up again palmer you'll
be next go ahead Robert robert Reinhagen 1425 Dexter Drive Port Orange um mayor council members I'm I'm glad she talked about options because that's what I was concerned about because I really she she
mentioned options but she didn't say what they were and that's exactly what I would like to hear more of what are the options um for instance um would would brushing your teeth with fluoride toothpaste once a day be
adequate or twice a day or three times a day or three times a day with going to a dentist for treatment um and so we we need to find an option that's going to provide society with the same
kind of benefits that the fluoride in the water provides and I I have a copy of a thing from the news journal and it talks about Utah is to become the first US
state to ban the use of fluoride in public water systems after Governor Spencer Cox said he would sign legislation to that effect utah Representative Stephanie Greishius a Republican and chief sponsor
of the bill said it allows pharmacists to prescribe fluoride for those wanting the minerals protection for their teeth now to me that's a real positive option and that's what I think but that and I'm I'm assuming because it's a prescription
that you know insurance would cover it um so it it's something that has to be done at the state level so I'm sort of recommending that you uh table this or or not take action until we see what the
the uh the legislature does thank you thank you thank you Robert Palmer uh what's the name justin Harvey yeah Justin Harvey go ahead thank you so much i appreciate that uh good evening uh mayor and council members my name is Justin Harvey 103
South Oyola Orlando thank you for uh revisiting this important topic today um there's lots of new information like you all mentioned as we noted the uh 7-year court case i just want to point out that we mentioned it was just one study there were many studies cited in the guidance and in January we had 74 new studies
published in JAMAMA also citing lower IQ and you say that it only looks at higher levels of fluoride outside the US the surgeon general has been presenting with a scientist that looked at low levels of fluoride in California he's been presenting with her for months i don't know how everyone keeps saying that we
only looked at high fluoride there have been the exact studies conducted at low levels and found the exact same thing um it's important to note that 14 of the last 19 cities that have made this decision to take the fluoride out have been unanimous only four cities have decided to keep it 19 to take it out
four to keep so I just didn't want that to get skewed um it it's important to remember that it doesn't really matter I think if it's safe and effective for our teeth or dangerous for our brain i don't think it's your all's job to medicate the public and make that decision for every resident informed consent and the
ability to choose is the way to go um and let's just assume you know there were you don't believe any of those studies the 74 plus they're just they're just all wrong right if just an iota of one of those is accurate we got to give people the op the ability to opt out of a medical treatment right i can opt out
of any medical treatment or procedure but not this one we don't add statins or anti-depressants to the water right because we wouldn't be able to control the dose to an infant an elderly person someone with a kidney condition uh it is not naturally occurring fluoride i'll just mention one more time it is a chemical waste the media calls it a
natural mineral but the water plant data sheet will show you that it is a corrosive chemical quote "An acid that terrifies them," as one water operator put it now what happens when we stop fortunately 95% of the world does not add fluoride to their water so while most of America does most of the world
does not and 95% of the world is not suffering from rotting teeth i'm sure that would be headline news 30% of the states on wellwater they don't get fluoride they get the naturally occurring levels something that we are not concerned about it is just the addition of this medication and chemical waste as you know Orman and uh New
Simrna unanimously voted it out and you know again topical benefits to to your teeth i know I'm sure some of these proarid people are going to talk about how great it is for teeth maybe it is but it's potentially bad for our brain health and it's easier to fix a cavity than it is brain damage right and I'm
not saying that we should have both but we can work on our diet and other ways like the commissioner council member mentioned we have plenty of ways to get fluoride nowadays so there's truly not a need for city councils to be in the dental care business it's not 50 years ago they can get it on every corner inexpensively it's truly a win-win for
all sides because you give people a choice another mayor recently said it best uh doesn't matter how I feel about it i can't force it on the residents that don't want it thank you for your time palmer thank you sir and Dr jack Goldie next
right after Palmer dr goldie dr goldie one second you'll be after Palmer oh I'm I'm up after you hello Councilman and Mayor um thank you again for uh reconsidering this this issue i just want to reiterate um that
that it is a neurotoxin it was a seven-year court case um and to read from the judge's ruling the court finds that flidation of water at.7 milliliters not 1.5 the level presently considered
optimal in the United States poses an unreasonable risk of reduced IQ in children the court finds that there is unreasonable risk of such injury a risk sufficient to require the EPA to engage with the regulatory response
um and also you know um the issue for me is really the choice like like has been brought up over and over wh why why don't we have a choice um I think I think we should have a choice um you guys I've repeatedly mentioned about the
Florida Patient Bill of Rights i have asked um several of you to email me why specifically the um actually Sean I asked you specifically to ask the uh the city attorney to get back to me about why the Florida patient
bill of rights does not apply and you guys have not done that so that that's a problem um secondly um um it's it's very it's very unprofessional how I've asked the uh
public works department at Port Orange um multiple times to send me the material safety data sheets regarding the fluoride completely ignored multiple times do you guys even have those i would like an answer to that um
because you don't even know what's being added to the water uh it's very concerning so the bottom line is we we need a right to choose what's in the water um it's not fair to force this drug on people that don't want it and um
to address what Sean said um anybody can go get a filtration system that's completely wrong you know this the single mothers they can't afford that they can't afford bottled water you're wrong on that it's it's unfair they're they're at a disadvantage
um you know Tracy I think it was you that mentioned that you know there's there's programs with Valia County that you know they can get free dental care you know we don't we don't need it added to the water um you know um you you guys are breaking state law
with the Florida Patient Bill of Rights 381.026 and you should you should really think about that thank you thank you Paul goldie and next will be Tara Hill treated uh I'm a dentist general dentist
introduce yourself for the record Dr goldie anyway just introduce yourself for the record okay i'm Jack Goldie uh retired dentist i live at 736 Pringle Road Port Orange no yeah i served the people at Port Orange for 45 years i
started here 1979 when I started practice did a lot just half the day was repairing children's teeth okay uh a good portion also was making dentures service servicing
people with dentures and in the 90s I all that kind of just really slowed down it it's just dramatic what Florida can do i I've seen it uh I know that you you mentioned
about the Valuchia Health Department but they're not truthfully very effective you know for a big population of uh creating you know healthy teeth for for the masses uh the
children aren't compliant you you know they just drink the water and it works and if you feel strongly about it and you're and you don't want it then you probably won't have the funding to
repair the damage that your children will have i really believe that and the the price of the filter to take it out is probably way less than the price to fix one tooth the fillings we did
they're they're not permanent you know as we grow older they have to be redone and the treatments become more complex and having ugly teeth when you're a child it it affects your self-esteem and yeah it's just a win-win
for the community you know Port Orange we've always been different you know we have our own identity here but that public health they're not going to take care of the children and the money for the
filter is a lot less than you would spend on the filter if you really believe that i just think we have a duty to take care of our people thank you doctor appreciate you
tara Hill followed by Tracy Gardner welcome hello again my name is Tara Hill i'm part of the statewide effort to end public water flidation i expect your decision tonight to reflect your duty to honor your oaths and not be based on personal biases potential conflicts of
interest or made on the opinions of local dentists no one absolutely no one not a government official nor voters on a ballot has the right to medicate citizens through the public water supply without informed consent this is not a fluoride issue at its core it's a
freedom issue over-the-counter fluoridated products are widely available affordable and easily accessible for those who choose them forcing Port Orange citizens to consume a known neurotoxin through public drinking water with the intent to allegedly prevent tooth decay is a
forced medical treatment without informed consent you are simply bound by your oaths to remove it the Norberg Code established that where there is risk there must be choice the council's role here is not to quantify or debate risk it is only to acknowledge that a risk
exists with all medical products and then uphold the citizen's choice and since a federal court and numerous studies confirm the risks of water flidation you are legally bound to uphold informed consent which includes the right to refusal without financial
penalty currently there is no opt out of the municipal water supply without undue burden to citizens forcibly medicating Port Orange citizens through their public water supply is a violation of both the 14th amendment's due process protections and article 1 section 23 of
Florida's constitution which protects citizens from unwarranted government intrusion including forced medication please also consider that continuing to add a known neurotoxin to the water supply also exposes you to potential legal claims of negligence breach of
oath conflict of interest bodily harm and failure to warn it is a liability regardless of any personal opinions on fluoride you are bound by your oaths to stop forcibly medicating Port Orange citizens with hydrofluic acid so I urge
you acknowledge the precedent set by the federal court ruling that deemed water fluidation an unreasonable risk to health heed the directives of Dr latapo and Governor DeSantis both of whom called water fluidation forced medication uphold the citizens rights to
informed consent by removing the known neurotoxin hydrofluosic acid from Port Orang's water supply clean drinking water free from medicative substances is not just a human right but a legal one
as well honor your oaths and vote it out thank you thanks D Tracy Gardner and then Luke Nunham i say that right welcome Tracy good evening
i stand before you today to address the critical issue that affects every one of us the artificial fluidation of our city's water supply uh fluoride's long been promoted as beneficial for dental health it's time to reconsider whether mass medication through our drinking water is ethical necessary or
safe uh natural fluoride is called calcium fluoride it is not an industrial waste which is what floric acid is it is an industrial waste that we're adding to the water i'm all for natural fluoride
we do.3 of that we should leave it at three of that if fluoride is actually beneficial to us then I'm okay with that i just don't want an industrial waste product in my water also the lack of consent it violates our medical ethics
and we do have laws here in the state of Florida that gives us uh personal choice so unlike toothpaste you know we can choose to avoid toothpaste we can avoid fluoride treatments at the dentist we cannot get our teeth clean we cannot go to the
dentist at all if we'd like to but when you put it in our water um I'm currently you know I have a heart condition i've got a kidney issue i have to know every single thing that goes into our water and the city calls me when they do that because I've got a problem with anything in my water my brother's fighting two
cancers in my household today i've got to worry about what's going into his body so that he can survive bladder and lung cancer and I don't have a choice today i'm in a rental i can't buy a water system and I can't use reverse
osmosis because it causes a stomach acid problem for my brother and myself with the conditions that we have medically so I would like to also bring up um the dental situation in Florida you know I grew up here i left here and I spent a
lot of my time in the military traveling the world and I landed in California for the space shuttle and I realized uh that Florida's got a terrible teeth
problem i've never seen anything like it in the travels of my time florida had 300 3,165 hospitalizations for preventable delta billing over $167 million we paid for this care in
the year 2022 it says also that uh Florida is we're last in the nation we are literally last in the nation in dental care okay um we have the highest number
of children seeking dental care in hospital environments here there is no dental care that I can find in the state of Florida for my children that is free or provides services that I can manage so appreciate your comments okay so I
wanted to make sure that you understood that with fluoride in our water we have the highest dental problem in the nation in Florida and if our I got to cut you off at three minutes thank you so very much thank you Luke Nunham
welcome hey thank you luke Nunham a lifetime resident here in Port Orange and I'll pick up where she let off left off the the toxic waste is not helping our teeth it's not helping our bones it's giving us bone cancer um and I know all of you are empathetic to these folks i mean we're all immersed with people
with um just chronic um disease you know that's the real pandemic that we face right now in this in this era um that has to do with with all the toxins that we're being exposed to um this stuff is is not a natural
mineral i mean it's a it's a common sense decision here we expect a sweep to remove this fluoride that's what I'm expecting um just to reiterate what everyone's already said your decisions are has been laid out for you what needs to be done um it's it's not a natural
mineral it's a it's a waste product industrial waste product from the aluminum industry the pesticide industry the fertilizer industry it's what you're putting in the water the city of Port Orange is responsible to give us water not a supplement we don't need a supplement we need water um you can't
bathe in this stuff you can't drink it all you guys have bottled water no one's drinking this water this water's trash we all know it um um the highest health officials in the in the land are recommending get rid of
this stuff it needs to happen now we don't need it to go to a vote we need you guys to expedite this and get it done tonight we need it out of the water um the highest the highest officials are stating that needs to be done sergeant General of Florida Robert F kennedy Jr the tide's coming it's going to be
removed nationwide statewide we're being poisoned and we need we need you guys to be on the the right side of this it's a no-brainer it's a no-brainer common sense decision give us water we don't need a supplement those who want the supplement it's very easy to floor to
get the fluoride to buy the toothpaste with the poison with the poison marking on it that says it's there's poison in the in the toothpaste they can buy that stuff um this is toxic waste it's not benefiting us in any way there's been numerous studies to
show that this is hurting the IQs of our young children uh during during the the period of of a human being coming into life they're they're in a different state than we are they can't express things that they're experiencing mentally they're they're just developing that's where this toxin hurts people the
most it's a it's a developmental neurotoxin there's numerous studies to show this so we're facing a chronic disease issue here and we need to stop we need to do everything we can to um to eliminate the toxins that we that we
catch at every corner every corner we turn we're experiencing toxins and this is this is an opportunity to to make a huge impact on Port Orange and and and help the health and and the vitality of the community super important thank you
thank you Luke thank you i'm probably going to mispronounce this because I'm not sure I can make out one of these but is it Dr man Mance man yes sir i apologize no you're fine thank you welcome thank you for having
us uh my name is Dr bruce Man have been a practicing and endidonist in this community for over 40 years i also have the the honor of being an educator at the University of Florida i'm a professor at the department of endidonics we are the largest Medicaid
provider for endidonics or root canals for children in North Florida probably the state i do kind of a blind study work asking the parents that when they bring these children in are you on bottle water or
city water 95% of the parents that bring their children in these kids are on bottle are on wellwater and the decay rate is unbelievable
so from that standpoint alone and having two children that have multiple degrees with no neurological problems we still need fluoride in the water it's been placed in the water in small amounts since 1940 all of us are
grouping of probably from 1950 on and we seem to be doing okay that's all I have to say thank you appreciate you thank you sir kelty McCormick did I get that name right sorry did I get the name right you did all right go
right ahead welcome my name's Kelsey McCormack and I live in Countryside 961A South Lakewood Terrace um I'm a retired nurse um of 30 years over 30 years and I will tell you that all medical and dental
professionals are taught among other things to educate and counsel their patients i'd like to read a quick small passage from a nursing uh text uh for geriatric patients evaluate and counsel on dental health uh point A dental
problems in the elderly including missing teeth ill-feitting dentures periodontal disease and decayed teeth council on point B dental problems often lead to poor eating habits apathy and fatigue point C regular dental health care should be encouraged to improve
nutrition and the quality of life uh as a child I had very few um dental needs uh from dental professionals because I grew up in Lincoln Nebraska where fluoride was in the water um as I got older my first cavity arrived at age 12 after developing a desire to blow
bubbles with sugary bazooka bubble gum as a young adult still few dental needs uh after that but I needed input from um for two little boys and I trusted dental professionals again and my sons benefited from fluoride in the water by
the time I was a practicing nurse I had the chance to see the results of problem teeth and how that related to cardiac problems and the need for prophylactic antibiotics etc but it was um as a nursing supervisor toward the end of my career in a nursing home that the
problems of poor dental health really got my attention as a supervisor I had often to tell patients and their families of the need uh for new dental appliances after theirs went missing and as the patients waited for those expensive replacements their dietary needs could change
dramatically no teeth can mean no ruffage in a diet and that can mean constipation point two poor nutrition changes uh turns meals into mush um so the patients can eat anything at all point three weight loss related to
decreasing oral nutrition can weaken older patients point four bedridden uh patients bodies break down into bed sores more easily etc etc and so fluoride in early life improves dental health that improves overall health all your lifelong you have the benefit of
local scientists and dental professionals sitting right here that have looked at Port Orang's fluoride in the water for all their careers here they have much to say in favor of fluoride and I agree with them thank you thank you Stephen Ober
did I mispronounce it i'm sorry my apologies good evening gentlemen uh my name is Stephen Oang i'm a uh general dentist in Port Orange um I want to thank you for taking your time this evening and also my colleagues being here um you guys
touched on a lot of the points so I won't go too much into it but um you know fluoride has been introduced since 1945 in u you know um in Michigan and it's been around for 80 years um and you know uh from my own personal experience
you know I I do a lot of um mission work uh to try to help those that don't have and you know in a lot of areas that I do see there's you know no fluoride in the the water um the the decay missing in
filled teeth is very very high um and and local and and and international mission trips um we actually have one coming up here at Mission of Mercy this uh Thursday and Friday and a lot of people travel from all over the state to come be a part of that and many people
just don't have access to care and this has been something recognized by the CDC um as one of the top greatest ways to um to help those um so I uh you know so just from personal experience I've seen
it firsthand um I know there's there's lots of um studies for and against um I I think a neat one I I I I read was the one in Alaska if you guys came across that one where you know June voted to have the fluoride taken out of the water
and um Anchorage decided to keep it and that was a good study because it was controlled you don't have too much traffic of people coming in and out of that city um of cities so um you know then with those kids particularly the kids and I think I think you mentioned
um part of the big development with the fluoride was the the kids are able to have it in the develop so they're more resistant to um cavities so um you know they did follow that study for a while and saw that every year that the ones
that did have the fluoride taken out of the water per year you had a higher incidence of cavities in those those children um but I mean there's lots of studies out there but it's been around for a very long time and I hope you guys take the time to kind of digest that
data there so um I think um you know that's that's one of the things I'll put put out there all right thank you for your time thank you thank you thank you appreciate you oscar welcome
my name is Oscar Mhung i'm a periodonist um I live in Orman Beach and I practice in Daytona Beach um I just wanted to speak in favor of community fluidation um I don't treat cavities but I catch
people at the end stage when we're taking teeth out and replacing them and it's very costly uh and I think that fluidation really helps that to minimize that and and I think one thing that's
been said you know comparing fluoride in toothpaste as to the fluidation in the water i mean it's different the fluidation is helping the kids you know kind of as their teeth are forming in their jaws so it's a it's it's a little bit different than just using topical
fluoride which is what we get through our toothpaste or maybe through applications at the dentist um you know fluoride really benefits the neediest in the community i mean I I think we need to think about that as far as I know there's there's avenues and
there's the health department and there's different ways of getting some some dental care uh but but I think it just kind of compliance is not great and and and that that benefit for those kids that maybe don't have the opportunity to
go to the health department or don't know to go to the health department or don't have access to care those are the neediest uh people that benefit uh fluoride benefits those neediest in the community um and just personally you know when I I
I came to town I've been in town since 1995 and I moved here with a 5-year-old and a three-year-old and then we had another baby soon after that we and both my wife are my wife and I are both dentists and we basically removed the filter from our refrigerator just so
that we could make that happen easily if you don't have fluoride in the water and you want fluoride you have to get a you have to get it from the dentist put it in the water yourself or find a way to do it so that your kids are drinking the water and it's quite complicated and it
gets uh cumbersome so so personally uh my three kids you know we're fluidated i drink the I drink I still drink tap water and um and I believe that it is safe and I think that flidation is a positive thing um I understand the the
personal rights uh uh you know as far as choice is concerned I understand that too but I think uh the neediest people in the community are going to benefit from flidation and those are the people that you know we might not know for 20 or 30 years uh what might happen if they
don't have the flidation uh thank you for your time thank you thank you uh had a card submitted with six names on it and I think most of them have spoke but I want to make sure is there a Wendy Treasure that hasn't spoke yet that wants to speak
wendy and then perhaps uh Helen Smiley good evening hi welcome hi I'm Dr wendy Treasure i um live in New Smyrna Beach and practice there but I have the good fortune of spending most my elementary school years in Willow Brand so um Port
Orange hold that mic a little bit closer to you there you go thank you port Orange just like a second home to me um I just want to touch on a few things and commend all of you because particularly you Mr goer um for kind of really digging into these studies and kind of making some of these important points
about the safety i think um I feel bad for the people who are really afraid of this because I think that it is something that's safe i think there's a lot of misinformation out there um and I think the IQ's in Port Orange are pretty high we have some of the best schools in the county in this city if I'm not
mistaken um so I think you know that's one point to make the other thing is that children are really the ones that are going to suffer from this um when we there are actually a lot of good studies about cities who have taken the fluidation out of the water and we see the childhood carries rising rapidly and
dramatically in those cities um and that is a lifelong issue and yeah kids can go to the dentist and get that fixed if they have the means to do so or they can go to the health department if that's available um but the fact of the matter is doing dentistry on kids is not a fun experience it's traumatic for these kids
and a lot of times this leads to a lifetime of difficulty in dentistry um a lifetime of expense and pain and you know even in affluent areas fluoride has been shown to decrease childhood carries by or cavities by 25% so if we can
prevent 25% of disease in kids I think that that's important um and it is something that is worldwide the largest most prevalent disease in kids i think that's something to consider um so thank you guys for your careful consideration
of this issue thank you thank you helen Smiley and then I think maybe Jan Westberry hi um Dr helen Smiley um I'm I live here in Port Orange i'm I'm a dentist with my husband we own a dental practice in the
pavilion um just like what a lot of my colleagues spoke about definitely see um we've seen what what fluoride can do and what what fluoride cannot do and you know I have three young children living
here in Port Orange where um I've spoken to it with my husband my colleagues and we're we're concerned for our own children we're concerned about our community where we know what's going to happen because we've seen it for with our own eyes um and just like Dr truster
Truster spoke about it's traumatic for for children whenever they need to get dental work done as general dentists um if children are compliant we we can treat them in the office but most children um are going to be more comfortable going to see a pediatric dentist and um even with the great
pediatric dentists here in town um access to care is still a big issue that that we struggle with in our community where we know that the the issue is going to get far worse if if this if we end up removing Florida from the water system and you know we just really want
you guys to think about your citizens i know we talked about putting it on the ballot but there's so many things that there's so many things that we we will vote on you for because we know that you will look at what's going to be best for
for the whole community there's so many things in the water um the levels of bleach have we ever looked at you know the levels of bleach in the water why are we not talking about that um in this city versus another city but everybody just so zoned in on fluoride because one person um published an article about
fluoride and it's uh attention grabbing and you know it's just one of those things where as dental professionals um we're the ones who most people would say would benefit most if um fluoride is removed from the water system but when I talk to all of my colleagues I haven't spoken to anybody who is for this that
should be enough to tell you that it's not right for a water system and I live here you know with my young children i have um a six-year-old a four-year-old my son is going to be two um on Sunday so I have very young children who can benefit from this or it could be detrimental to to their to their
well-being so please consider um everything that that we we've discussed and you know I know that you'll make the right decision for us thank you for your time thank you is there a Jan Westberry Hello I'm Jan Westberry i'm a I was practicing dentist in New Beach for 35
years and what I would like for you to concentrate on is the real science Mr gford i was very impressed with what you've done and if you look at the real science it's not a it's not a poison that you add to the water you you might add there might be a poison that the the fluoride is taken from a an something
that you wouldn't want in the water but it's just the fluoride that's put in the water and the it's the science shows that it's advantageous to have fluoride in the water to make the teeth stronger of the children and adults because while the teeth are forming the fluoride is
put in and um there's good research to show that if you take the water out there are consequences to the to the population and I just um want you to consider the real research thank you thank you there's anybody else
that did not fill out a card who wish to speak to come on up stan you can be next uh Ais Kamidus i practice in Port Orange and I live in Wilbur by the Sea so I get the water from you guys um the first
thing that comes to mind is I've practiced almost 40 years and I practiced before there was fluoride and saw the fillings that were being done um but what gets me is why the hell am I here i stand to gain by the fluoride
being removed from the water because I know firsthand that we will have more cavities but I actually believe I want to help my patients and I really want to help the patients who can't speak for us the ones that can't afford the care we
have the mission of mercy at u this weekend on Friday and Saturday please come people drive for hours to come get free care to think that the Valuchia County Department takes care of these
kids there's too many of them and I do agree with a lot of the people here who say it's it's against their rights for the fluoride to be put in but isn't it against my rights to ask me 8% of my Valuchia County tax to go to Halifax
hospital to pay for all the people that go there for dental treatment that is the most ridiculous thing put somebody in an emergency room the most expensive place and then they can't even fix the teeth so all these people behind me stand to
benefit from taking the fluoride out and we're speaking here for the health of our patients i think you need to bring up the zoning guy because you're going to need twice as many dentists when you take the fluoride out and which is the
most important cavity to stop you know which one it is the first one you get because when you get that first one it's an in between filling that's a two surface filling that two surface filling becomes a three surface filling and then
it becomes a crown root canal post and all that other stuff so I've kind of calculated on my own i grew up with fluoridated water when I moved here we rented a house in the fly and it didn't have fluoridated water i bought the Publix gallon that has fluoridated water
in it and gave it to my kids but I've calculated that if you grow up with fluoride and you practice decent dental hygiene you will be able to in your life buy one new car 40 grand so if you want to take it
out people are not going to have as much money for the things that they need and I'm all for dental hygiene but you know what they've done studies if you've had fluoride you don't need dental hygiene and dental hygiene doesn't stop kids getting cavities at the beginning it's strong
teeth so that's all I have to say thank you very much thank you good evening Mr mayor Councilman uh Stan Schmidt 5574 Trailside Drive recently retired CPA best tax season
ever i just want to talk to you guys tonight just from personal experience i grew up on a farm in Iowa and we lived on wellwater wellwater water or whatever we collected off the rain system went into a into a system um as a kid I spent a ton of time in the dentist office and
I have all kinds of fillings which have now become caps crowns posts all the fun stuff that we mentioned earlier my daughter grew up here in Port Orange the only time she's been to a dentist office was when she chipped her tooth on the on
the wall of a of a pool at a swim meet that's it and she's been around here now 39 years my granddaughter has been here now uh eight years i don't think she's been to a dentist either other than just for regular checkups and cleanings i think we have to look at what's going on
and we can just see from our own examples and you guys have all lived through this too you've seen your kids grow up you've seen all this kind of stuff and yes I understand there are some things that happen to people it always when you get into the body and the way it reacts with different things you're going to have some bad outcomes
there's no doubt about that but I think if you look at overall the fluoride has been a good thing for the city of Port Orange and again you talk about the schools these are the best schools in Val County right here in Port Orange and so it's it's helped our kids it's helped our
community and I recommend that you continue on and uh stay the course thank you thank you St anybody else going once twice nope come on we had to coax you out of this chair
yeah yeah i was like "Oh I can come on." Come on my name is Rose Moody um I've been a resident in Port Orange for like 45 years um I want to commend Shawn for doing the studies and I just wanted to let you know that um my son got his
master's degree in at UF in environmental engineering and water he focused on and he always told me "Mom drink port orange water it's the best don't buy any of the bottles they're the worst thing out there and they've got so
much stuff in them." Now he has his PE degree and he still says the same thing and um so just wanted to tell you that that's I vote to just keep it in the water they never had cavities either
growing up here thank you appreciate you all right is that it back to back to council mayor can I I think I'd need to Did you have something you want to Yeah i I think we've heard some some legal uh things thrown out i just want to kind of
clear the record on on that issue the court case that's being referred to as a Northern District of California court that is not controlling your action here tonight right what they've done is uh they they've ordered the EPA to to kind of reconsider the current threshold the
7 current threshold um our Florida courts have have have addressed this issue before um not as recently as as the Northern District of California however as it is today the law that that you're bound to follow is the district
courts of Florida our district court has actually met this specific issue head-on uh this this concept of right to refuse or right to choose medical treatment um quoting from the fourth DCA uh which there is no conflict so this is the the
the law of the land in Florida today uh the city proposes to fluidate the water before it enters each household in the city it is not seeking to introduce the mineral directly into the customer's bloodstream therefore the city's flidation of its water stops with the
customer's water faucet the city is not compelling the customer to drink it the customer is free to filter it boil it distill it mix it with purifying spirits or purchase bottled water bottled drinking water customer's freedom to choose not to ingest fluoride remains
intact um that's quoting directly from the the quiles case which is again the most recent it's in 2001 case out of the fourth DCA there's there's been no disagreement among the district courts um that is the controlling law for for you here today i just want to make it
clear anything else that was it that's it all right councilman Foley we'll start with you uh well I think I already said what I had to say in the beginning i'll say I um appreciate everyone who took the time
to come out tonight and to express your opinions um I appreciate the phone calls i've had some really good conversations with people um I still believe that the best thing that we need to do is to allow this to go through the uh state house and senate because that process is already going on now in fact the first
hearing was today that's how closely I'm following this um and it and it passed I want to say on the house side um or through like the first subcommittee um either way um that's that's been my stance and I'm kind of still in that
position um I really I appreciate where where everyone is coming from um but I it sounds like there's a lot of testimony and a lot of evidence needs to be heard by people far more qualified than I so Councilman Gs so I do appreciate
everybody coming out tonight and having the conversation with us for or against depending on what your views were i will say that one of the strong things that we did not have last time was the outpouring of our dental community and I
want to thank you wholeheartedly for coming out it's y'all that we need to hear and I think there a couple of you that said it but you you nailed the nail on the head when you said it would benefit you more
monetarily to not have it you know and that that speaks miles i think people need to to think about that sometimes when uh you have the dental community come out and state something like that
um I agree with Councilman Foley uh this is an issue that no matter what we decide today it could be overturned within the next week or two with state legislation um so that's that's where
we're in a quandry right now so it's something that we need to think about on our options that we're going forward with councilman Gilbert well the first thing I want to say is uh I apologize if I sounded like I don't have
empathy um that is not the case at all and uh I have spoken I've reached out to the people who've uh said some things in emails that weren't correct i want to clarify a few things that I do work for a research company and I'm not a
scientist i'm a marketing director i'm a recruiter but I have empathy for people who are suffering that's what we do we take care of people who have neurological diseases who have general medicine diseases and uh I have empathy
for people but I also have a duty to all the people in my city to make decisions up here and I don't take them lightly i have done extensive research and I and I and I love the compassion that people
have that have feelings about this subject and I do too and I have uh I just have done my research and um I I don't mind talking about when someone mentions something that I've read it and
I feel differently about it and we're okay to disagree but I have to make decisions and we have to make decisions best for everyone in this city and um and and that's what I will do and that's
why I was elected to do that and I want to mention that you know when I ran for this position and to represent the citizens of this city not one not one mentioned anything about Florida it wasn't until our meeting
started after I got elected that it was an issue and I get the issue i understand i understand you want some you want to get a product that's healthy and I think this city does a damn good job matter of fact correct me if I'm
wrong city manager we have a cut permit that's a consumer use permit that's been for 20 years now we've extended it we have like a 20-year use permit now when they usually give it in increments of five that's how good our water is taken care of
it's not the quality of the water but it's the how we what we do with it what we do with the water okay i'm sorry it's it's more related to how we how much of it we use and conserves it was related to pulling it out of the
aquifer so because we have reclaimed water and other sources and and we have ways to minimize the use of water how we handle irrigation and things so we we we do less pulling of the water out so it's more about the volume thank you thank you for helping me with that one i just want to it's why I ask I'm not gonna be
just a seat in a chair here i'm going to get my facts correct has there been any OSHA issues with the additive that we use at our plants in the last since 1982 so so the public utilities director
and I don't go back that far but I'm not aware of any that we've had in in throughout history okay thank you may I ask another question do we have standards when it comes to using the
disinfectants i'm looking at our uh water guy in the crowd can I ask you to come forward and I'm sorry to do this but this is an important decision for me and I want to make sure I've got some things clear the only reason why it was brought up that we're not we don't have
uh MSD sheets is that what it is msds MSDS sheets SDS Okay very good yes we do so and can you state who you are steve public utility corrector okay so you work in the water the the water that we provide correct and I've been to your
plant yes sir overse yes and it's over and we're looking at that water on a how often a day daily daily hourly actually hourly correct since you've been there have you ever had an issue with OSHA when it comes to
hydroflloric acid yes sir thank you um with the chlorine that we use to disinfect it have we ever had an issue there thank you so it's safe the operation you guys conduct at our facility is obviously safe because we
haven't had any issues correct all the employees have the proper PPE we follow the SDS we treat all the chemicals the same okay in uh I'm not a chemist but I just so happen to have a son-in-law who's a chemistry major when you take hydrofluoric acid and you add it to
water what happens to it it reacts produces fluoride it Can you repeat that it reacts produces the fluoride and then we dose it to the appropriate level okay thank you if you did not add that to our water
would there be fluoride in our water correct um our incoming raw water I believe in our groundwater is at a point I have it here uh 0.18 milligrams per liter so 02 we would have coming in so
we already have fluoride coming in our water so we can't really remove it it's coming correct but we're adding it to the levels that the CDC has recommended for public health which has been I think one of the dentists mentioned was one of the top
10 accomplishments in the United States based on the CDC is that correct are you aware of that not aware of that that's probably not his arena that's okay i I I'm glad you answered that way
um because it it actually is and uh one of our dentists who could actually make a lot of money in the future if we removed this which blows my mind you care about the the individuals that came up that actually work in this
profession actually care about our people they're putting the health of our citizens first before their business i wish our car salesman would do that that's a joke i know one um thank you Steve i appreciate your time i I I told Steve I would probably
ask him to come up because I wanted clarification on a few things because there have been comments made to me about how this could be dangerous but we handle it professionally and we monitor it daily and hourly correct thank you so
much anything else i think I've said enough all right Councilman Green um I'm going to be honest i'm very much on the fence on this whole subject and and and have been since day one um I I see benefits i see benefits and I and
and I also see um I guess uh question as to you know again the the the approval of a citizen wanting it in their water i I get it um I'm I'm with uh Councilman Foley on this and I'd like to see how
the state rules on this within the next couple of uh next couple of sessions and I would be um I would be willing to uh propose that we table this issue until the next meeting as far as any vote goes
on any resolution uh regarding this matter anything additional just on that comment maybe the city attorney could could weigh in or the city manager but so with the regard to state legislation
the I'm not sure when the sess when this session ends but even after the session ends you're talking about probably till July before the governor would have an opportunity to sign right or or or deny it that that varies so you may want to
table indefinite if that's if that's where we're going I would agree with you mayor that I think an indefinite tableabling till you have some state action on the issue would would be just fine if that's where we're going but I'm with you that can be they can do that immediate we just got some immigration
stuff that went immediate you know that can be July it can be January 1 i mean they may you know build some buffer for the consideration of taking down equipment that that Florida dates and there's a lot that goes to that so I I I think that would be helpful to have a little bit of time all right we'll come
back to that i just didn't I didn't want to have you make a motion for the next meeting and the state still deal that's what Yeah okay um anything else no all right so I I I I want to say thank you to everybody on both sides of um the
debate or issue whatever you want to call it uh you guys have come here tonight you've been very respectful you've spoke very openly um a lot of folks have done a lot of research which is a a great uh vast level of education and and information and and I think the
way you guys have all come forward and I know public speaking isn't easy for everybody so again I just want to say thank you and and I appreciate all of that information coming forward um a a lot of that information has been provided to us we've had an opportunity to review it um look at the history of the of the city and flidation which
dates back to 1982 um somebody by the way I just want to say I wasn't born in the 50s somebody aged me here a little bit tonight but uh um in any regard um so it's back to council at this point we have some options here um you want you guys have to be able to make a motion
here um some options that have been put on the agenda for tonight is option one we can move to continue adding fluoride to the city's water supply as is option two would be to move to approve a resolution which has been um pre-written
in the event that is your decision to discontinue the addition of fluoride in the city's water supply and then option three could be something totally different which I think you guys have already talked about so if anybody has a motion now would be the time to put it on the floor well before any before motion if I may mayor for just a quick
second i think that um want to make sure I say this properly I think we want to be very respectful to um staff and to the residents and and everyone who is so concerned on this one topic
um I don't think we want to continue to table this and for people who care about the issue of flidation to have to continuously come back to our meetings uh waiting for us to to hear the same remarks and and to kind of rehash what's been talked about now for the better
part of two months so I think whatever whatever we decide to do um we want to make sure is somewhat of a finite is a decisive decision uh motion here um just just my recommendation on that
um if we decide that we want to keep it unless the state says otherwise then we might want to go that way with a motion or if we're leaning towards getting rid of it altogether you know that's that's another conversation as well i just don't know that we want to continuously have this keep popping up on the agenda
and having all these people come forward and and spend their time here in our chambers presenting the same information we've already heard so did you have a motion you wanted to put forth or uh my motion would be that we continue to uh flidate the water
until the state makes a decision saying otherwise is there a second for Councilman Reed's motion i would second that we have a motion and a second can I Mayor's a point of clarification is that
so is that then to reconsider is that to end it if the state were to weigh in and and say you know recommending ending it is that just a coming back to council for consideration once state has taken an action just want to know what the what what happens at the end yeah I
think I I want us to come once the state has decided then we can have another meeting on this and that is when we can make our final decision okay so what are we voting on then yeah I guess I don't understand huh continue the practice so there's the motion on
the floor and that has been seconded is the continued practice as is so until the state option one not necessarily not necessarily it's kind of an option sounds like it's a blend of option one until the state uh ends their session and to see if they
make a final decision um which the state's either going to not not move it forward it'll die in committee um or it'll get it'll get passed by the state legislature then has to be signed by the governor well we can and if you want to talk about I mean if somebody has
another motion opinion I'm I'm willing to hear it out like I said I just think we need to make something kind of decisive just as a matter of discussion if um we're making a motion to continue adding fluoride to the city's water supply pending something that the state could
come down and say "Hey y'all have to remove it every municipality in the state of Florida then that's over it's over." So um it the state could come back and recommend that you remove it and doesn't
force us to remove it um so then that would have to come back for discussion in in a vote it didn't yes exactly so you're leaving it open-ended for this fidation to continue on indefinitely if we don't bring it back do Do you have a another motion you'd like to make i'll
resend mine all right i'll I'll resend my motion sounds like I don't have a second anyway so no I I had Okay i had second just to get the discussion so we can clarify because you had used the word recommended to remove it then it
comes back to us to say "Hey the state says we recommend you to move it." Um we we have our uh attorney um not attorney general he'll probably get involved but uh our surgeon general is recommending you know the discontinuation of it but
the state's not recommending it um they could come back and say "We're telling you to remove it." And at that time we just have to remove it that's kind of what the bill that's what the bills are right now the bills that I'm referring to it's the remove it so then we don't
need to we could just continue the flooration and then let them decide what they're going to do vote on it vote on it so So then that's why I'm saying I I can resend my motion and you can make one to
just continue with option one and then we continue with that indefinitely uh unless the state does something else state's going to tell us is that what you want me if you'd like to I'm more than happy to resend my motion and then you can make that for option one i think it gives clarification on what
we're doing okay then then I guess I'm going to resend my motion okay all right did you want to make a motion i'll make a motion that we choose option one move to continue adding fluoride to the city's water supply do I have a second it's going to die without a second guys
so if you're going to alter the motion you got to have a second to put it for a vote to just continue going no matter what that's his changes motion tells you to do as you are chang if the state comes down we don't need a
motion that's why I'm saying the state's going to rule on this because it's in committee and it very well could ru rule on it and then we will have to act it there's not a choice at that time it's a it's statemandated correct we have a motion on the floor we got to
have a second in order to have a vote or the motion will die we will move look for another motion the same motion that we need to put out there to begin with well no that's that's indefinitely i still want to revisit this whenever whenever the state's done reviewing what they're going to review because you
never know what's going to come up during their process you can do that anytime you want you can do that yeah all right then i'll second it we have a motion and a second any further discussion on it on the motion to continue uh
coordinating the city's water as is call the role councilman Foley yes councilman Gford yes councilman Green no councilman or Mayor Gross yes mayor no
32 to continue forwardating as is moving on to council committee reports item 22A First Step Shelter we had our Yes so we had our meeting uh we went over the budget they're healthy financially and
uh things are going good there let me go on to Port Orange South Daytona Chamber of Commerce sure um they have a ribbon cutting tomorrow and they had a new member reception today they had uh seven new members for this past month and uh they're looking
very good and they have a business after hours at Masterpiece Jewelers and uh so and then Tasteful Affairs is in April so good things are going on good yeah that Tasteful Affair is a great event by the way vice Mayor Grubs tell us about Art House
and then uh I want to thank you if you could also talk about the round table of elected officials meeting that uh you attended on my behalf while we were Yeah working on some stuff in Tallahassee Art House uh had their annual update and gala that they
did and just late night so we'll just cut to the chase here um some of the highlights was showing that Art House raised over $17,000 to raise money for the Bush County schools in the classrooms uh where teachers
could come in and ask for supplies and things of that nature to add to it um one of the figures that was thrown out for the school systems arts programs is the students average out to about 32 cents for the year for art supplies i
was kind of blown away by that so any type of money and raising of money for the school systems is is greatly needed and they did $17,000 to them uh tuition based and supplies based for art house scholarships was another $13,000 that they did and children uh attending art
house classes and camps over the summer was over 3,420 kids wow for the camp programs um they're looking to increase that the upcoming year program and our facility that they're in has really
earmarked uh I think the city of Port Orange is a highlight of them being there um so it's continued in that in their fashion uh I think Susan slipped out okay so Susan was actually with
parks and recreation was awarded u an awardment u for art house and the parks and recreation and joining and then at the same time um myself and um other partners got into art house
community partner of the year award for 2024 right on so that came about um through leaderships down there is just growing and growing and um as Cameron was here last time talking she uh talked
about expanding the arts not to just be paintings it's going to be music and other avenues that they're going so uh it's going to be it's going to be cool to see how she brings it all together i think they're going to run out of room personally is what's going to happen one
of the things if if you could at a meeting maybe just kick the idea around and maybe this will be something for council to discuss further and and and and uh the city manager can enlighten us on codes and ordinances but as you travel around the state of Florida large
murals on buildings is really be is growing in popularity and they are they're they're they're awesome i mean they look fabulous and it's a really great way to to to kind of jazz up the city and especially in the older areas and I'm kind of curious are cities are
cities creating ordinance and opportunities for that are organizations like Art House spearheading that like how is that how's that happening you know and of course you've got to identify the places for that but um they're they're pretty impressive and they're really they fit the coastal
community vibe so to speak yeah something that's been kind of cool is you know I challenged her for a two-year 5year 10 year plan and what that is is looking at we get these first murals done on the columns that goes all the way to the water and then they're going
to wrap the bridge and it's like well that's east side now we got to get west side done so that's that five and 10 year outlook because it is it's it's raising a ton of money to be able to do it those those first columns and everything is at the
tune of almost $70,000 um they're using paints and things that when people go and they try to you have to think about this stuff i didn't think about it but they think about this stuff of graffiti and having paints that they can go in those murals and just wipe them down afterwards and
the graffiti is gone so you're right it's it's uniquely to see but on international travels they're doing murals that are mosaics underneath all the bridges and everything else it's really really cool to see other countries doing the same
thing tell us about the round table and by the way I may ask you to touch on what you're going to touch on tonight at our workshop but go ahead okay so roundt meeting uh was elected officials um for Valuchia County of all the cities uh
they had some really really cool stuff they brought a subcommittee together for storm water uh at that committee um they had their first meeting of their findings
some of the things was dealing with excuse me the project fundings and grants like transform 386 which Wayne staff has been talking about quite a bit this is where we're gathering money to bring back to us fema Elevate Florida program stuff that is already going on
that we do already very well in Port Orange but they're taking it to expand it so that people in all of Lucia County not just in the cities can come in to try to get more funding for their programs um
matching fundings for the county the beauty of having matching funding of the the county looking for money is just like when we go to look for money you know we get that matching funding but if we got echo grants and fundings that are coming from storm water also from the
county side then that will help us with more funding coming into our projects um I know we talked quickly about it earlier tonight um dealing with Tallahassee having ready built projects
um 16 cities and inside 16 cities we have very few three that have ready-made projects um so council before my time only two people left up here during this time frame coming forward to have
um storm water management master plan being put together that it's just tremendous what you did because now as it's coming forward this money is just now coming available all these other cities don't have a master plan so it's going to
allow us to come into funding a little bit easier uh from state and county levels hopefully to come into us also but uh certainly hope that's the case yeah yeah me too this the investment we've made so everything on it so I'm going to pass that to you thank you from
the meeting is that all for for now that is it for now all right just a reminder that our next meeting is a workshop uh that is Tuesday March the 25th that is a storm water workshop and uh we'll be talking about the uh storm water master plan uh
that meeting starts at 5:30 yes for those who have a tendency to be here at 6:30 you're here early 5:30 anything else to come before us tonight all right have a good night