And thanks to actually many of you. All Saints just welcomed a school for kids with autism. And I'm thankful to all of the neighbors who are here because we had to lean into a lot of city laws and the fire department and the police department and all kinds of things to make it happen. And so this invocation
and gratitude is for you, but for all of the citizens gathered here. Correct. Thank you. Let us pray. Gracious God, you call us to love one another the way that you love us. I give thanks for the ways that neighbors across time and place here in Port
Orange have loved their neighbors enough to create just laws and policies so that we have a beautiful community and we continue to steward your good creation. I ask for prayers on this leadership team that you continue to center them in neighbor love because we know that you
make a way out of no way when we love our neighbors. And I just ask for prayers um and gratitude for my fellow neighbors who are here hopefully out of neighbor love to continue to make this community beautiful and to steward your good gifts. We pray this in your holy
name. Amen. Amen. Thank you. I pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank
you. Will the clerk call the role? Councilman Foley here. Councilman Gford here. Councilman Green here. Mayor Grubs here. Mayor Stilner here. 50 and a quorum. Thank you everybody for attending. Item four, public comments on
consent agenda items only. Any public comments tonight on consent agenda items only? All right. Seeing none, anybody from council wish to remove any pull any items from the consent agenda tonight? Yes, Mr. Mayor. I would like to pull
item B. 6B. 6B. Okay. I'll make a motion to pull that. I'll second. I'll second. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. I. 50. We'll
come back to that one. Can I have any other items to be pulled? If not, can I have a motion for the balance of the consent agenda item, please? So moved. Second. Any resolutions on here? Yes.
Yeah. We have a motion and a second. Clerk, call the role. Councilman Fley. Yes. Council Gford. Yes. Councilman Green. Yes. Vice Mayor Krabs. Yes. Mayor Sar. Yes. 50. That'll bring us to item 6B. I have a motion. Put that item on the floor,
please. Motion to approve the task authorization number six for design services for White Place Park with Hall and Oval Architects. Move to approve item 6B. Second. Second. We have a motion and a second. Councilman Green,
let's start with you. Um I again I I put a lot of thought and time into this particular u this issue and um I feel like um by approving a contract to design something
that we don't know what we're designing. Um I believe that if any of you guys have looked at the the rendering that was presented to us were basically digging a hole where a white place ballpark was. Um, nowhere from this hole
is there any benefit to any houses in the area. So, it's not a drainage issue. It's a drainage issue of that property and it'll help that property drain. But, I don't believe that it's in our best interest to spend $121,000 to an architect on a project
that we don't know what we want. Personally, I don't feel like I know what we want. I don't believe this is the best project for this site. I don't believe putting a pond on that site is a good idea. I believe personally it should stay as a field or some kind of
green space for kids to go play or or we already have enough problems with not being enough fields in our wreck department. And we are we are scrging for space uh to take this again. I grew up playing baseball of this field. A lot of you guys did. Um it's it was a
baseball field. always was and I think to to dig a to dig a hole and put a walkway around it and it's not best interest of of our money on this wreck bond. I want to get the more bang for the buck out of the wreck bond. And if you guys look
at what is in this architect's contract for $121,000, we're not getting anything. We're not I don't see this as a benefit to do this now. Now, maybe this council needs to to go down there and say, "Oh,
let's put together a vision or maybe this is some kind of meeting maybe more with the recck department." But I don't see how I think we're jumping the gun and and and spending this money on a project that again, we're talking about recoting the parking lot. We're not adding any parking down there. We're
just recotating the parking lot. Uh we're going to fix pickle ball courts or put lights on pickle ball courts. It's the same set of pickle balls. I just don't see if you guys have looked at this particular um proposal from the architect. I don't see the benefit to spend this
$121,000 to then go and spend more money for what he designs. I think we're jumping the gun with this particular with this particular approval. Myself, I don't think that putting a pond on that property is the right benefit for the Port Orange
residents. Um, I just I think we're we're scrging for ground and I think that I don't care if just some kids want to go kick a ball around or throw a football around. Putting a pond in there is going to take any chance of that going away. And we already have an issue with green space and enough space for
our wreck and for our kids. Now, I just don't see how this is going to benefit us through the wreck department. And I I know my main thing was going to be was will it benefit houses from flooding? And that answer is no. there no houses in that area are going to benefit from that pond going on that space. So, I
would like for us to reconsider where we want to go with this piece of property. I want us to hold off on approving this contract until we have a better vision of what we want to do with the property. So, I actually spent some time over there at this park and uh have thrown a
football in that field and um it was hazardous to the players ankles. Um so, it's not a field that's been kept up. It's not a field that's being used and I I don't think our wreck's using this field anytime. It hasn't been used since
the hurricane. Okay. Um, so and I was there probably it may have been before the hurricane, but I've been to the pickle ball courts after the hurricane. And um, I mean it just to me it'll look
a lot better with what I'm looking at on screen than it does now. And if we can improve and I'll be spending Friday there at that adult senior center uh working and and any improvements you make brings improvements to uh the
people that use the center. No one's using the ball field. If they have a place where they can walk around and it is as pretty as any other park that we've created, I'm for it. So, I have a little different feeling about it because no one actually uses the ball fields like they were intended back in
the past and we didn't have all the other fields. That's my Let me let me do this for just one second before I come to you two gentlemen and myself. So, this is a little bit of a unique thing because this we're having a discussion now that pertains to a bond initiative that the
voters voted on and and and this area is part of that bond initiative. So, I believe we have some legal obligations to to to do this in a certain way and make sure we are staying within the parameters of the bond because we don't have the authority to go outside the parameters of a bond that was voted on
and approved by the taxpayers. So, I'm going to I'm going to ask the city attorney and the city manager to weigh in here in just a second. Um, but specifically, Mr. city manager, if you could weigh in on a get us a little bit deeper in the weeds here on what all
this um will be be doing because I I think maybe that answers some of Councilman Green's concerns because I know when we send the bond out there's a very 30,000 foot view looking down. This is an area now. Now, at this point, we do have to make that design and we do
have to do what you're what you're talking about actually and and kind of see, okay, what all can we do? Can we add a couple more courts? Can we cover the courts? Can we do these? What all can we do? So, let's just pause on the council comments for just one second. Bring some clarity and give us a little
bit more detail and then Mr. Tony, you can weigh in on that as well. Go ahead, Mr. You are correct. When we were going through the bond process and and meeting with council members before we set up what what the total amount was to request in the bond, these are conceptual ideas to give people an idea of what's there. We were careful to make
it clear. It wasn't going to be exact. So like the Karasi fields, the main point there was to show that there were a series of active athletic fields coming in and a and a 5K trail. Whether they end up going horizontal or vertical or the properties a little bit south or north, but it that was going to be an
active area. We have soccer fields that we were looking at putting in horizon. We may end up flopping land and putting them over here at city center on school property, but it's still active recreation. The train depot, we just showed a picture of what could be there with the trains. This is the same way.
The main point was to say it was probably going to stay passive. There wasn't going to be an active field in that area. Part of this, it's it's really set up to be structured similar how we did Riverwalk Park where we hired uh Shayish's company to come in and do they they came in and did a lot of public input first and then after they
got the public input, they took over to the design stage. So, some of the stuff that came up is really important to do. We're going to have to do some geo work to dig holes in the ground and see whether it's suitable for a pond or what may be suitable there. So the the project is to get them to go out there and get public feedback. This one was
always set up more to ask the people who live there what they want. So the picture was intended to be a general concept and the first thing that was going to happen was to go out there and start getting feedback from the people who would actually use the park and say what would you like to get there and
then at the same time do some physical checks to be sure that it's actually possible to do. We don't want to run into anything in the ground or any kind of issues like that. But that that was the point. So the the picture isn't meant to be that's not an engineered it's not a drawing you can go out and build from. was really a general concept
that don't expect us to to put a football field there or soccer field or something. It expected due to the lowlying and the and the probably the bad dirt and of that area that this would probably be more passive than it would be active outside of the existing. But that's all the all the request was is a contract to have somebody go do the
public input, get the feedback, and then come back to you before we wouldn't put them into the design stage until council said, "Okay, we like what you're doing there, Mr. Attorney." Yes. So, I don't think we we do have a lot of latitude when it comes to design. You know, if Councilman
Green said that'd be a great place for a wastewater plant or something just completely unrelated to parks and recreation. That would be an issue from a bond standpoint. I have bond counsel here, so he can jump up and say I'm wrong. But, um I think from, you know, from that standpoint, we have plenty of latitude to talk about what's the best
improvement to this park area. you know, whether it be passive, active, wealth, that's all on the table. That would still comply with with any of the bond language that we have out there. We haven't been tied down to any specific layout to to Wayne's point. This is still very fluid in nature. Um, just
needs to stay in that parks and recreation field. Okay. So, I'm going to come back to you, Councilman Green. Any of you have any questions? So, so again, I I'm not looking to just say you're missing the whole project. Now, I'm not saying at all. And again, I'm staying within I'm still going to stay within the parks and wreck bond will. I still
think we need to, you know, make improvements to the parking lot, make improvements to the uh pickle ball courts, add some lighting, whatever it is in that respect. But what I don't what I think we're doing though, I still think by approving this contract for this kind of
money, it's early. I mean, I I guess I would like to see something a little more detailed if I'm going to say, "Okay, let's draw it." But we're going to we're going to spend this money and say let's let's get some schematics and we might not like any of them. But I still I just think we're spending this
money. I mean, and if this is the concept in which the council wants to go with, okay, great. Let's let's approve it. But and I'm not saying to like to to Sean here, I'm not saying we go out there and and and make it a a groomed field. I figure you go out there and put a little dirt on it, put some grass on
it. It could just be a grass field. nothing needs to be maintained or anything like that, but I still think a piece of grass is more valuable right now in Port Orange than a pond is in that location. But again, that's all I'm saying. If if it's still want to do I
still want to do improvements to the White Place Park. The parking lot needs to be fixed. We need pickle ball lighting, those things. The the horseshoe pits, I talked to them guys and and those things. So, I still want to stay within the rec bond issue, but like I said, I guess I'm I'm really coming down on on designing this this
way and and paying this money at this time if we're still not sure what it's going to be. Sure. Did you want to add? So, this the spending of the 121,000 is actually to go that that community input is going to come from this team of
people we're hiring. So that kind of work to get feedback from the community that lived there. I don't live down there, but I would think that if the people came back and said, "No, don't dig a hole there and put water in it." That's not what we need.
Is that what this stud is going to tell us by spending this money is the question. Well, I'm going let Susan get in more detail, but yes, that's where it was trying to go. Okay. Good evening. Susan Val, parks and recreation director. So, like the manager said, it was a conceptual design
and the one thing we do know as we were building projects is anytime we do any renovations, especially in this part of town, um storm water wasn't thought of. Way back, you guys talk about it all the time. We talk about storm water. We know if we put any impervious area on this site, we are going to have to capture
some of the storm water. We know that. Um it could end up being a swale on one side of the park when we get done. It could be a lake in the middle. It could be We don't know. We don't know what the permits are going to require. So, what we're asking is to get our design team on. They're going to do surveys. They're
going to do borings. They're going to start to see what we can put there. We will schedule neighborhood meetings, stakeholder meetings. We will give them options on what can fit on the site. And then it comes to a design where they put all that together with, you know, with our team and and we kind of see what we
can fit in there. this park when we intended it, you know, we knew this park had a lot of sentimental value to a lot of people. Many of my staff, this is the first field they played baseball on. Um, and we don't want to lose that in the design either. However, because of the
size we are, trying to put a field here, a field there, a field there to program is not efficient. It would require us to have more staff in multiple locations in a night. That's why we've moved to more, you know, putting everybody in in same locations or one or two locations. So once we can get to know
what is needed and and the reason why this was chosen as a bond project is there is not a park the closest park to this area of town is Riverwalk which means kids would have to cross the line. Um the next closest is Bushman. So, it
was important that we provided something in this neighborhood for families to use, whether it was to go fly a kite, have a picnic, you know, ride the little big wheel on the sidewalk, um, make improvements to the pickle ball courts because we're starting to have water come up. That was part of the plan. Um,
make improvements to the parking lot. But again, until we really know what that means for permitting wise and what's going to be required of the permit, we don't even know how much land will be left as far as what our amenities are to see what those requirements are. That is why we need a design team to come on and tell us that
because unfortunately I I don't know that by myself. Um, and that is what we're really asking for tonight to get started. So, and I'm available for any questions you have. Hang tight right there. Okay. Don't go anywhere. Councilman Grubs, I only have one major question. is
the land down there now with the field on it. When was the last time you used it as a field? It's been quite some time. I don't know if you all remember when they did um some work on US1. We actually um rented that land to GPS Civil that used it as a layown site for
that project and then some of that money came in which we put in the kitty for the um for the project as we went forward. But so there's been building material on there, you know, things like that. it. There's no there is no um clay left there. Everything is just grassed
over with a weedy type grass. There's no sports turf. The lights that are there are not operational. Um so that's kind of where we are with that. It's probably been late 90s early at least 2000 since there was any kind of like like field sports activities that we sponsored. Yeah. I started I played there in 2002.
Yeah. When I started last time 2003 I started and we we were just that was like the last year or two that we actually had sports leagues. Okay. Okay. That you know and that's the big thing we're as Councilman Green's asking as far as field sports and things of that nature and I get it. Green space is so
important today. But it's utilizing the property for the best of the needs that we can do for that community in that area and if we haven't had field sports there in the last sounds like 20 years and we've used it for road betting things of that
nature. And I remember that because I go to Epiphany Church right there. And as I go past that, I I watched that transition and I was like, "Okay, what are they doing now to the field?" Right. So, thank you for bringing that up. Sure.
All right. So, uh, it's my district obviously and I've played on this field, too. So, I holds a place in my heart. Um, but if if I'm understanding, I guess the only question I have to ask on that's going to determine how I vote on this is simple. No matter what theory
designwise we want to go with as a council, this 121,000 is going to be the cost. Whether we want it to be a field or a lake or we want to put pickle ball courts all the way across it, this is just the cost to get design process started no matter what. Yes. basically
like like like if we said hey we agree with you know Councilman Green we'd like to have it be a big open grass field similar to the center of Riverwalk which is what we have there then even that it's still going to the design price is not going to go down it's going to be about the same price right because
there's still there's all that exploratory things we have to do there um the company that we're choosing is one of our continuing services contract it has been bidded um you know so it's competitively bid for pricing and then And that comes in as to what the um
areas they need. You know, do they need an engineer? Do they need to hire this? Do they need to hire that for their team in order to come up with a comprehensive plan going forward? There's a lot of people in in that um in that group, right? Yeah. So, so then it sounds
like if I am understanding correctly, I'm just trying to make sure we all have the same understanding what we're actually voting on here is to have this group of people to contract them to bring designs forward to us and we have some input now from from Councilman
Green and we're going to get input from residents, but sounds like we're voting to approve this to get design started and then we can pick which design we actually believe is best for that area. So, this feels like step one and that maybe what we're discussing is actually
step two and not really pertinent to what we're voting on tonight. And that contract takes you through through construction. So, it's not just design and then we bring back more money to take us through construction. So, they're with us through the entire project all the way till the you guys cut the ribbon and we have a little hot
dog and whatever we're having out there. But you're correct. You're not paying for them to design that picture in an engineering forum. you're paying for them to go talk to people and figure out what's the best thing to be there. And if council wants something different there and the public wants something different there, then they'll come back and design what you tell them to put in
there. Okay. Then then I understanding that then I'm I'm going to support this because then I understand this is just the the first step in getting there and that it may it may ultimately look nothing like this, but this is just the cost of finding out what it is going to look like. Because if if there was cost
savings and saying, "Hey, we want to do this or do that," then I would I think that his point's very valid. But either way, I think it's it's great questions to bring forward, Councilman Green. I I really do. Uh it's great to question things like this uh especially when it comes to taxpayer dollars. So, I applaud
you. Well, and I and I and I would say this is a good exercise because we're going to be doing this quite a bit in the next few years as we move through all these bond initiative projects. So, this this is good to for all of us to be educated on what what are all the processes are going to be, what they're going to look like and things like that.
So, it's all good stuff. I I would just offer that um an analogy is we're bringing this down from the 30,000 foot view to ground level. And that's and that's now we got to get on the ground and say, "Okay, what can we do? What can't we do?" Then we have to have a
firm that can take the ideas and the concepts and the wants and the wishes and say, "That's something you can do. that's something you can't do and here's why and all of those different things. I will tell you, interestingly enough, and maybe it's just because more people are watching the uh council agendas than
than I than I think sometimes, but I've probably had three to four people mention this project in the last week, several over the weekend for sure. And I will tell you that when it does come time for them to do the the community meetings, the pickle ball interest is
going to capture the room. There's no question. I've already been asked about can we fit in a few more courts? Can we can we shade some of the courts? You know, all these different things. And and I will say having been with the city in a in a an official capacity since
1989, I've seen that transition of this this facility and park being utilized a lot and then almost being completely forgotten. And the pickle ball aspect of this thing has brought this park back to life, which is great. It's amazing. And
and so I look forward to seeing what the designs, what the community comes up with, what what can we do because this is the time, this is the the way to maximize this. So whatever we come up with and whatever ultimately ends up here, you know, it's it's a three or four, maybe a five generation deal
before it ever has to go through a redesign and and a thing like that again. So let's thank you and let's question. I'm going to come right back to you. Let's just I'm not done with her yet. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Go right ahead. So, she happens to be standing there. Okay. So, again, I might be jumping the
gun. Okay. Because when I'm looking at this schematic, I don't see we're not adding any impervious space outside of a potential playground. The pickle ball courts aren't getting no bigger. The parking lots aren't getting no bigger. We don't know that. Well, I'm just by this schematic. And again, when I see
the schematic and I look at the money, that's where I freaked out. I'm like, wait a second. You know, we're not making anything any bigger other than the hole. Yeah. And so so let me just clarify why the lake too at first. So remember this was done two years ago the
stormwater plan just got finished the master plan. We weren't sure if that was going to help alleviate storm water or not. So we didn't want to show you know a lot of stuff on the site and then come back and say uhoh this told us we now
need to put a storm water pond here because people would have been very disappointed. It's easier to take that pond away and put more amenities in. I think then take the amenities away and put the pond in. I would have been all for the pond if I would have known it would have helped one house from flooding and that's what we found out recently. But it's not. Okay. So that's
why I've changed my mind, right? And I'm not saying this needs to be a manicured sports field that we use for what I just think it just be we could till it and put grass on it and all you got to do is mow it. I'm just looking at the maintenance of it. And again, I still think but because when I look at this
picture, there's not any more impervious area that we're putting on this site. But when I loaded this bid, we got $10,000 for a DOT permit for what? I don't know yet. We are going to looking at trying to expand some parking. So, I don't know if you've been down at the adult center recently. I was there Saturday. I talked to the It's packed.
Yeah, it is. I get it. More parking. Okay. So, and that requires a DOT permit. I don't know. And they're in there as options. So, if they don't need it, they don't get paid for it. So, it's it's structured if as if these are in there if needed. All right. Again, I've just That fills essentially a pond about
40 days a year. No, I get it. I mean, I understand, but I'm not saying we can't go out there and fix the field up as part of this bond and just even if it's just smooth grass, you know what I mean? And and that's it. But you're thinking something similar to Riverwalk, how that big open just a yard. Yeah, a yard.
Maybe some maybe some portion of that ends up being that. That's not a bad idea at all. So, no. So, again, I I just when I saw this particular schematic and I saw the monies because this is just for design, guys. This is not including none of the work. We don't know what we're going to spend on the work. So,
I'm all for lighting the pickle ball courts. I'm all for the parking lot being whatever, you know, a benefit to to the to the space, but I don't want to lose green space if it's not going to benefit us. Understood. All right. Uh, anybody from the public
wish to speak to this? Thank you very much. Come on up. Uh, yep. You have to come on up and introduce yourself. I just my name is Carol. That's okay. Come right come right on up to the mic here. Introduce yourself. Tell us where you
where you live. And hi, I'm Carol Gilmore. I live in uh Port Orange for 22 years. And uh I live in um Pigwick Village. And just listening to this, why can't you just make a family picnic round out of that big area, you know? So
the families can go there, put some swings in, and not make a big deal out of this. I mean, that's all I have to say. I didn't know I was going to have to come up here. That's okay. We're glad you're standing up there. That's good. That's a good I really think that the families would enjoy, you know, having a
picnic. Get get the families back together again. So that's my opinion. Thank you. I couldn't keep that shut. I That's okay. Thank you. You did you did great. Anybody else want to come up besides sir? Come on. Nobody. All right. All right. So, back back to
council read, anything else? No, I do think this is um I'm I'm going to support it. Um but I do I want to credit you again, uh Councilman Green. I do think this is is good scrutiny on your part. So, I do appreciate that, Tracy. I agree with Councilman Foley. They have good good thoughts.
I do as well, and I appreciate the the conversation. That's what we're that's what we're here to do. Councilman Green, I'm good. And and just to your comment, Carol, since you only want to make a brief comment, great comment. And that's what this portion that's on here does is
it wants to get the input from folks who live in the community. That's exactly what they want to hear and and also try to stay within the parameters of what the bond descriptions were that the voters approved on the on the ballot last November. So, thank you very much.
All right, that's it. Clerk, call the role. We have a motion. Yes. A second already on the floor. Okay. Oh, we don't need the role, do we, on this one? Yes. All right, we'll go ahead and call it then. Councilman Foley, yes. Councilman Gford, yes. Councilman Green, no. Uh,
Vice Mayor Grubs, yes. Mayor Stler, yes. Four to one. Probably a lot of people were told from the Orange University graduation group, oh yeah, you'll be you'll be up there in about 3 or 4 minutes. Normally, that might be the case, right? So, but but
welcome. That brings us to recognition and proclamations. Item 10, Port Orange University graduation certificates. We'll have the PIO come on up and be the master of ceremonies here. The dean of Port Orange University. The dean of Port Orange University. Oh, yeah. Tell us a
little bit about what you put these people through. Council mayor, good evening. Mike Springer, public information officer for the city of Port Orange. I'd like to introduce you behind me, the class year of 2025, Port Orange University. The last nine weeks, this group has been touring our facility,
seeing the equipment that our staff uses, and talking to staff one-on-one. This is a civics program we've been running at the city here since 2017. And the group here behind me, I can tell you, they are very passionate individuals. They are very civically engaged individuals and going along with them for these last nine weeks. I've
learned a lot too by going on those tours. But this has been a great opportunity for us and it's a program we run every year, every March to give our citizens a chance to see kind of what we do here at the city and a better understanding of how our city runs. Excellent. Excellent. And I heard this
group broke the uh the GPA record from all the rest of the It was a curve. We got We got It was a significant bell curve. All right. All right. So, uh, we're going to we're going to pass out some certificates and and and, uh, but I'm going to give the council members an
opportunity just to say a few comments and, uh, then we want to get a group picture and so it's tough in this room with a group this large. So, probably what we'll do is we're going to actually have you guys come up here with us and so that makes usually for a better picture and we'll we'll fit in here and we'll we'll make it work somehow. So,
but but first before we do that, Councilman Reed Poly, I just say congratulations. Uh, you know, I I tell people a lot of times that I think it's one of the best programs we've ever had. It was started by, uh, Christine Martin Dale many, many years ago now, I feel like, and it's a huge asset to our city.
Um, there's nothing I find more amazing than we have residents that want to get involved at this level and really learn about what's going on. Um, and hopefully it's just the beginning of you guys finding a place that in Port Orange that you can be involved in the government. you know, uh we have a couple of boards
with vacancies and things and um you know, just consider those as you know, you uh graduate today. We're always looking for people who care enough to be involved to be plugged in. So, congratulations again. I say thank you very much for actually
attending and coming to the whole nine weeks and you left Mike alive. It's great. you know, he does a great job showing everybody what what we personally don't know. You don't know until you know it, right? And there's a
lot of things that uh council sits up here and we we see things that come in front of us and we get a small scope picture and then we have to go and do the investigations and figure things out before we vote on subject matters and it's difficult. But first step is
understanding each piece of the physical city government and that's what you guys did. So from me and I know the rest of council up here, thank you for stepping out, coming out and seeing what the city is all about. Thank you.
Well, I'm a graduate of that university. So, uh, you know, congratulations. Is the golf ball still sitting at the wastewater treatment plant on the clear tank? because you can see it after they've done treating. Isn't that amazing how they take that dirty water and make it
clear again? That's amazing. So, congratulations and be careful because you might end up on this side if you We hope too busy. Councilman Green, uh I'm going to commend same as these guys. Uh congratulations on doing it. Um I
encourage every citizen in Port Orange to sign up for this class and hopefully you guys learn some some valuable stuff, some inside stuff. Uh you probably learned that we are in fact understaffed and we we do a lot of work in this city uh with a lot of with very few people
and um and you guys went to the to the water plant. You went hopefully you guys enjoyed your day at the sewer plant uh and a good windy day. But um I I hopefully you guys see how much we do with very few people in the in this that work for the city and how hard our city
employees work to to do what we do here. And uh hopefully you guys enjoyed it as well. Yeah. So, first before I forget, I want to I want to thank uh our staff and the the the employees that that put this together for you guys to truly take and
give you guys a very unique inside look. And um I I' I've never heard of anybody, so don't don't don't jinx me tonight, but I've never heard of anybody going through this that could literally say, "I didn't learn anything. I knew everything that they showed us already."
And so that is a really neat thing to go through something like this. Uh it's painless. It's enjoyable. You guys have probably made some friends amongst yourselves which is a which is an added benefit. Uh but you've gotten to see a really unique inside look to the
city. We that helps us because now you guys become somewhat of an extension of us. You guys are going to hear things in the community, grocery store, church, social media, whatever that is, and you're going to be the folks now
that can say, "Hey, all you got to do is call over to the water treatment plant or call Councilman Grubs or you know what I'm saying? You guys are you guys you you don't have to you don't have to wonder what the answer is. There is a resource that's going to get you that
information. Um, and sometimes you'll just be able to answer those questions. Oh, no, no, here's how this works." and you'll and you guys will tell them. So, um the the most important thing for me is that each and every one of you try to find somebody who you encourage to to get in the next class because that's
really what we want and we we want to continue to build this program. We have seen the benefits. It is very favorable. We know that. So, it's a good thing and we're going to keep doing it. So, we really hope you guys have enjoyed it and uh and that you will definitely give it
a fivestar rating with the folks you come across and enjoy them. And on that note, when's the next one? When can people Next March. Next March. We have 15 people signed up already. We have five 15. We have five spots left for next year. All right. Very good. Very good. So, why don't we get to passing out some certificates and let these
folks move on home unless they want to watch an entire council meeting. So, all right. uh Debbie and Lee Borrow. And if you guys once you get your certificates, walk on up here. Let's find a place for you to stand and we'll
move our water bottles and make for a nice picture here. Cheers. Carol Gilmore here. Come on over here. Good job. Good job, council. Come all the way over here. Why don't
you have a seat right there? Me? Have a seat. There you go. We won't all be able to stand. So, some of y'all come up on this side. Excellent. Daniel,
exactly what we want. Start sending this way. that way. Nobody wants to stand next to me. Come on. You enjoy it. Yeah, definitely. I just got a new thing of deodorant, too. Couple of you guys could jump in these
chairs right here, too. Laptop screen down a little bit. You're vice mayor. Chair. Vice Mayor. Literally, vice chair. Uh, Cassandra. Congrats. Thank you. Sorry. Michael Pet,
Jeffrey Rodriguez, Frank Santiago, Diane The day we were there, whatever you need by the end. Last but not least, a couple of these pass. Spread the word. Sharing is caring.
I was just I was like, then Tom Baus, wait, we let Tom in the class? We did. Hey, listen. Yeah, the class clown. We're going to have to we're going to have to raise the entry level scores, too, don't you? Oh, you got to be in this, too, don't you? And now that
we got you guys all tricked in the seats, this is the part where we slip out the back. Y'all run. Good luck. Yeah, good luck. All right, let's take a good picture here. Get in here. Come on in. Come on in. Come forward and back.
[Applause] Hometown News. You get your picture. You sure? All right. Thank you guys all very much. We appreciate you very much. Hope you had a great time. Thank you. See you later. Take care. Thank you. Thank you.
Yep. I'm going to go ahead and eat these. It's okay. Yeah, a spare in case this meeting gets long. Almost an hour ended already check them out, right? Like I got like 100 exclamation points at the end of
just keep adding another one. [Laughter] You got to want to give us the history. All right, we're gonna we're going to go ahead and move on. We've got item number 11, Professional Municipal Clerks Week. And I'm going to read this proclamation. I'm going to have uh our two clerks come
on up here and be recognized. They love that. Not really. So, they like behind the scenes. That's right. They like to be behind the scenes. Whereas the office of the municipal clerk, a timehonored and vital part of our local government, exists throughout the world and is the oldest
among public servants. And whereas the office of municipal clerk provides the professional link between the citizens, the local governing bodies and agencies of government at other levels. And whereas municipal clerks have pledged to be ever mindful of their neutrality and
impartial impart. Yeah, that one. impartiality, rendering equal service to all. And whereas the municipal clerk serves as the information center and focus of local government and community. And whereas municipal clerks continually strive to improve the administration of
the affairs of the office of the prof professional municipal clerk throughout participation in education programs, seminars, workshops, and the annual meetings of their state, county, and international professional organizations. And whereas it is most
appropriate that we recognize the accomplishments of the office of the professional municipal clerk. Now therefore, I, Scott Stilner, mayor of the city of Port Orange, do hereby proclaim the week of May 4th through May 10th, 2025 as Municipal Clerk's Week.
Thank you guys. down. [Applause] I know, right? How about that? All right, don't lose that. Thank you. I guess I could have given you guys a opportunity for comments, but I know
what the answer was going to be. Water safety month. Is Christy Gillis here? She's not here this. All right, let me go ahead and read this one. This is a really important one, obviously, being in a a coastal community. Whereas swimming and aquatic related activities
play an important role in good physical and mental health and enhance the quality of life for all residents and visitors. And whereas drowning is the leading cause of unintentional death amongst children ages 1 through four in Florida, which can occur in just a few
inches of water such as a bathtub, bucket, or a home swimming pool. And whereas it is important for everyone, including children, parents, and caregivers to be aware of water safety rules and programs to prevent drownings and recreational water related injuries. And whereas Senate Bill
544 in 2024, also known as the swimming lesson voucher program, was approved by Governor Dannis on April 15, 2024 to increase water safety and prevent drownings in Florida by providing free swimming lessons to eligible Florida
families. And whereas water safety month is an opportunity to increase public awareness of measures in which prevent water related deaths and injuries such as installation of barriers, utilization of safety equipment, emergency flotation devices, swimming lessons, CPR, and
adult supervision. Now therefore, I, Scott Stilner, mayor of the city of Port Orange, Florida, do hereby proclaim the month of May 2025 as water safety awareness month. And I'll see that you get this to Christie for me.
Chris Felder here. This one is for family abduction awareness day. Proclamation by the city of Port Orange. Whereas a family abduction occurs when a child is taken wrongfully and retained or concealed by a parent or other family member denying another
individual their right to custody or visitation even in cases with unclear or absent court orders such as abductions are often driven by the perpetrator's frustration and left behind parent legal system or personal circumstances. hand. Whereas this day is dedicated to raising
awareness of those affected by family abductions. Those abductions that have created devastating impacts causing deep emotional and psychological trauma not only to the abducted children but also the parent and the extended families that are left behind. Such such events
often disrupt the family stability and trust with farreaching negative effects on the broader community. While non-family abductions account for only 1% of missing child reports to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, family abduct
abductions make up a significantly larger share of all of these cases. Whereas the city of Port Orange is committed to remaining vigilant and informed about the dangers facing children in our community and recognizing that family abductions is a serious crime in all states, not merely
a civil matter, law enforcement officers should treat these incidents as severe forms of child abuse rather than minor offenses. And whereas it is incumbent upon law enforcement agencies to have written plans outlining actions and procedures for promptly addressing family abduction cases, courts have
determined that law enforcement must ensure children are with their lawful custodians and verify the validity of any court documents as failure to establish necessary training and policies pose a threat to the general public safety. Now therefore, I, Scott Stilner, mayor of the city of Port
Orange, Florida, do hereby proclaim May 25th, 2025 as Family Abduction Awareness Day, and I'll have the clerk get this to them as well. All right, I'm going let some other people speak for a moment. Moving
on to item D, public participation non-aggenda. I have Cameron Vinbon, the art house. I messed that up, didn't I? Gosh, I'm so sorry. I should have just said Cameron. Welcome. Good evening, council
mayor. Um, thank you for having me here. My name is Cameron Benson. I am executive director of Art House Foundation. I am board member of the Vuji County Cultural Alliance and I sit on the Echo Gallery Advisory Committee. Um, I just wanted to give you
a mural update and director's report. Um mural work started on January 13th, but due to the timing of the official vote for the murals and um the opening of the Valuja County art season, we got a little bit busy with our programming. Um
it is our busiest time of the year. It was a record-breaking quarter for our programming. We held four chalk art competitions, seven exhibition openings, 96 art classes, four adult art classes at the wreck, two gallas, an annual meeting, and three days in Tallahassee advocating for the arts where we got to
see our very own uh Representative Trace Traymont and um really give voice to the arts and what we need. We have worked a total of about 19 hours on the mural um over a six day span in that time. Um I'm sure a lot of you have seen it. I know
um Don Bernett has posted a picture of it and Tracy Graves was in it. I'm happy to announce that we will resume this week. Um we have night and evening scheduling and early morning scheduling so as to avoid the um any interference with commerce down there. Our
anticipated completion date will be for May 18th. Um Disney and Universal Studios mural artist Savannah Zenowski will join on the weekends and art house staff and volunteers will spread it out over day and night shifts. The unveiling for our first stage of the murals will
take place on May 23rd at 8:00 PM during our 29th annual fun and funky event honoring Mayor Don, former Port Orange mayor Don Bernett at Dunes Brewery. I'd like to now formally invite you, your invitations are in the mail, to be a part of that unveiling ceremony to stand
there, hold the ropes, and unveil it for our community. We have members of the press, our fun and funky attendees, art house staff, board of directors, volunteers, and the Port Orange community. Um, your invitations again will be in the mail, but I wanted to congratulate you as well. Um, what
you're doing now is you're making Port Orange history and you're leaving behind a legacy of beginning an arts district in Port Orange that is soon to be blooming. Thank you. And if you have any questions, I am here. Any comments? No. Thank you. What was the date on that?
May 18th is the completion date, but the unveiling in the fun and funky event is May 23rd. Friday, May 23rd. Nothing says fun and funky like Don Bernett. Yes. Right. So, absolutely. All right. Outstanding. Thank you for coming
in tonight. Thank you. Be well. Frank be that one. Come on up, Frank. Welcome. Good evening. Good evening. Brought the long. Good. That's all right. I hope it's My name is Frank Bea. I live at 4,000
South Clyde Morris Boulevard, better known as Collie in the Wood. Recently I read a listened to a podcast floods read past floods blue county undercover
dated April 13th episode number four. I encourage everyone to re listen to this podcast. It's the first one I ever listen to. A resident of our community has done extensive research on our flood issue.
There are six or eight areas that drain storm water into our bowl with the last one coming from Hawks Mill across the street. There are 373 homes at 4,000 Clmore Boulevard
Colony in the wood. A resident has done extensive extensive research in her. Damn it. Bottom line is we're getting flooded from all directions. We're getting great answers. five or six, seven or eight
areas that are draining into us. It's making our way ahead. Okay. There's a resident that lives there that have done extensive research as to where the water's coming from. The last one that
came pretty much broke the came back as from Hawks Mill. Since then, we used we get five, six, seven inches of rain. We get four or five inches of rain. We'd flood. Our pumps are capable of pumping 12,000 gallons a minute of water away
and out. Since Hawks Mill built, we get not quite double that, but it takes two or three times for our streets to be able to pass. So, is it a coincidence? I don't think so. Okay. Um, it gets so bad at entrance and on
Cyprus, an emergency vehicle cannot get down there. We can't get out. If somebody is homeridden, emergency can't get to them. It's a serious serious serious problem. I mean, when we had Ian and Milton,
yeah, we're going to get wet. But our HOI guys and the people that live there walk through this deep water to get the homebound people, they help them cuz the emergency vehicles couldn't get there. If we get another one, 100year flood,
it's a real problem. I really would like I don't know how this can happen. I know my time's up some communities, city of Port Orange County, Blue County, our HOA and the guy that done this research to get in a
room, talk about it to figure it out. There's a way to do it. I don't know these guys and you guys do. Last thing I want to say is you guys I came in here with a to start Frank. I'm sorry, buddy. I got to I I apologize. I got to wrap you up. Thank you guys for what you've done. Thank you, sir. Okay. I come to
curious. I was going to come in here howl it after I listen this podcast on what you're doing with the storm water. We're working on it. Going to take some time. Congratulations. Thank you, Frank. Thank you, Frank. Raid um Ray Demato.
Yes. Come on up, Mr. Damato. Good to see you, sir. Speaking to your council, I'm placing myself under oath. All right. Okay. I got letters from you guys. Hurricane Ian Yep. stopped raining. I went out and measured. I had 23 inches
of water on my patio. Your response? The structure was inspected by building inspectors. The city determination is that the building has not been substantially damaged. Moving on to Hurricane Ian. I
went out and measured. I had 20 ines of water on my patio. Your determination based on multiple field measurements of the water level in the park and Hurricane Milton and other pertinent information. The city's
determination is that the manufactured home has been substantially damaged. No details as to measurements, no details as to pertinent information, certainly no details about
substantial damage. 20 in versus 23 in. We then had a meeting in our clubhouse and we were asked to speak. The people who chose to speak, it was pretty much unanimous regarding the
letters. Made phone calls, no response. Wrote letters, no response. Went to meetings, nothing resolved. one instance called, spoke to somebody named Jose. He came out, inspected the house, told the
woman she had no damage, went wherever the hell he goes to, never heard from again. I am willing to work with Port Orange. I will not be running circles. I will not be jerked around. My time is as important as yours. You're getting paid.
I'm not. I want Port Orange here. I'm throwing the ball back into your court. I would like Port Orange to give me the name and the phone number of an individual who has the ability to resolve
things. End of story. I want to resolve it, but I'm not going to be running circles. My time I'm 79 years old and I'm not getting paid. So, I don't even know if whoever signed these letters read
them because it's it's 23 in your house is fine. 20 in, no inspection. We took measurements where what was the water level. What's the other pertinent information? What's the
damage? Come on, guys. Thank you for your time. You're welcome. Thank you, sir. Any questions? Oh, I got my cards. Thank you. Robert Reinhagen. Yeah, I'm going to pass. You're going to pass. That's
unusual. All right. Uh, and this one's for later. So, all right. Did we Did we have any others? Was it? Okay. Moving on to council comments. Council members, let's start with we'll count start with Councilman Foley tonight. We got a long meeting. I don't really have
anything tonight. Okay. Councilman Grubs. Okay. Yeah. You know, I'd like to wave my time. Like to wave your time. I want to take some of your time. Yeah, I see that. Thank you. Uh so I do have a little bit uh to cover
tonight. Um, first I would like to uh apologize to the city that uh the next council meeting I won't be able to be here. Uh my airline tickets with the way the airlines have been moving things around have boosted it two days ahead of
schedule for me to be uh gone uh with my business. So we'll be missing uh the next two meetings. So my apologies to council on that. Uh moving into uh some save the dates things that uh I
just want to touch on is making sure people know that some of the dates that are coming up that are kind of important into the city is uh uh what Cameron was talking about with Art House and I'll just touch on that. May 23rd at Dunes Brewery, the fun and funky event uh
honoring uh our Don Bernett. Um, we also have the seafood festival uh this Sunday or not this Sunday, the two weeks from now, May 18th from 12 to 6:00 p.m. Seafood festival. And then on June 14th, uh, the
mayor's golf tournament. Now, those that might have a chance in golf, I'm not the person. No, I don't have a chance in this. One of the things that just came out on the flyer that they added to it, which I thought is really, really worthy
to say is uh Atlantic Marine has donated a boat for the hole in one competition. So, I don't know how good y'all are. I know I don't have a chance, but there's that possibility. That's on June 14th for the the mayor's golf
tournament, which is a great event. And I know you'll talk about that as far as everything that proceeds go to. Well, since you're on that topic, I'll just interject that there's also a car dealership that is looking to donate a vehicle for a hole-in-one prize. Yeah, they can't. So, maybe it's a truck to pull the boat. That's the concept. Go
ahead. All right. Uh, and this next one, I I I want to caveat that. I'm not singling somebody out, but I am to a certain degree. Um, there's a lot of great people that worked for the city over the years that have retired with the city.
Um, but I do want to mention one individual. He not only tirelessly uh worked for the city before he was a city employee. He was in the tree business. U contractor to the city quite a while and
then came on staff to the city. Um this individual has dedicated in my mind over 40 years of community service um not as a city employee but as a community person involved with Port Orange. Um saying that uh he was also
one of the many individuals that helped the city of Port Orange purchase over 10,000 acres for land acquisition and preservation. A lot of people don't know we have a force that the city actually owns, West 415. Um he
uh retired um officially and I would like to u say thank you for his time in the community and his time that he has dedicated to the city while he was working as a city employee. And not to slate anybody else that has retired, but for this individual, I've got to know
him in the two years that I've been on council. anytime I had somebody asking me about a tree question, this was a guy I called and that was Steve Edgar and uh Steve, thank you very much, sir.
[Applause] Steve Edgar, city forester retired. And I just wanted to thank you all for being uh allowed to be a part of something really, really unique and special. Um
you you stand on uh really tall shoulders. Um it's uh it's amazing what the city's accomplished in the dayto-day. Uh don't forget that you guys have accomplished something really really remarkable and
uh it uh it goes on. Thank you, Steve. Thank you. Congrats. Congratulations. Sign up for the mayor's golf tournament. You got a lot of time on your hands. What else you got? I got two more
things. U this was brought up to me by a u a business owner. Um and it deals with uh business signage. And this is something that uh I want council to understand is if you own a business in
Port Orange, sometimes it's difficult to keep the beauty with all of our trees and everything else before it covers up our signage. I'm not saying take the trees down, the beauty down. I think there's are more that needs to be there. So, don't don't
hear me wrong on this one. But the signage is an invaluable tool to promote our local businesses. Inside that, there has been some LED signs put up.
Uh those LED signs have been uh coded with the time that they may switch from one panel to another at approximately 60 seconds. It's it's an old code um that was put out there. If you're
sitting at a stoplight, that means you get to see maybe one business on a kiosk if it's a plaza. If it's sitting there at a stoplight, it's about a minute to a minute and a half, depending on where you're sitting at. That means you get to see maybe one, possibly
two. What I'm asking uh council to look at um to hopefully be able to bring back to the table in uh June, June 17th is to look upon the codes and the possibility
or 20 to 30 seconds on that signage. That way somebody might be able to have in a plaza two or three businesses to be seen with the technology that we have. It's it's an exposure exposure that we need for drive by traffic.
That's what helps our business thrive. I think as a council that is something that needs to be looked at. So, if we can bring it back to the table uh for council to look at in June 17th, I would like you guys to uh make a motion on
this. Let me just interject that I think we should I I think there's some other things to look at in the sign ordinance and I'm wondering if maybe we would be better off workshopping it and looking because I actually got a call the other day about something totally unrelated to that and and having been on council for
a while I will tell you as marketing strategies change sign strategies change technology changes a lot that it is probably actually something we should take more of a holistic look. So, if you're not opposed to that, let's try to see if we can find a workshop and um and
just give our community development staff a chance. They've done a good job with that. How long, Wayne, do you remember about how long that's been? I know it's hasn't been three years. The that the original change went back to well before I ever went back up to North Carolina because we did that with Debbie
in the chamber. Extensive in my earlier days upstairs. So that was probably a decade ago when we did that challenge probably on the committee that we did it with where there was a number of changes that came through and Councilman Vice Mayor Grubs is correct that it that was written so long ago that was just brand new to allowing LED signs and so just
the idea of going to LED signs was a pretty big change in Port Orange. So the the the amount of time that they had to hold was put in there fairly conservatively at the time. We also have fairly restrictive on on those monument signs a limited number of tenants that you can put in there. So, some of the
bigger shopping centers, like I forget the name of the one, it's up here at um Herbert and Clyde Morris, it's got a ton of tenants. That was one of the ones where that allowed them to put more of their tenants on that sign and change them out over time. So, that was the compromise. Instead of steel signs that
only maybe got four of the tenants, they were able to change it. So, we kind of at the time thought we at some point in the future, you might shrink that time down. So, it's something we we we thought might happen. Yeah. If you guys are okay with that, then we let's get it on a workshop because I've also got a
couple of things uh to to have staff look at um that I so I think it'd be good just to take let's take a holistic look at it, get it in a workshop and anything we do the sign code does have to go back through the planning commission. So in order to get it to you to vote on it would have to go through. That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. But
let's take a look at it. All right. Thanks. What else you got, Jason? Okay. And then uh lastly is uh we had this information come out to you guys late last night. Um, we had uh email from Wayne that came to us dealing with the
update with Tyler. Uh, dealing with the water bill and how people are have to going to come back in and re-implement into Tyler. Uh, what we're going to talk about now is dealing with the water bill and how it gets put out to our citizens. We
started this process literally October of 23 is when I pulled this up and had this conversation. This has been a year and a half process for me to to get this out here. Uh council talked about it. We've
had a change in council. So I'll talk about this and revisit this again so we can talk about it. But ultimately what it is, it's saving the taxpayers money. How do we do that? And being a business person, I constantly pinch
pennies. But when we have 29,000 utility customers, that penny adds up fast. How fast? Well, in the flyer that we sent out to you guys, it's uh
approximately 29,000 people are utility customers. out of that 15,400 people still get a paper bill. When we take an average cost back then at 89, that's the
stamp, the envelope, and the piece of paper mailed to them. That's $165,000 a year being spent to mail a piece of mail. But that was in 23 when we did that figure. and 23 the stamp was 68
cents. We are now going into July 13th. If you don't know the stamp goes up again, but we've had a stamp increase between this last time. So, we've actually take a 10 cents increase in the last year and a half. What's 10 cents
do? 10 cents changes that figure of $165,000 that we're going to spend $183,000. $20,000 is what we're talking about here. Increasing and mailing the water bill. The proposal that I did uh back
then is the same proposal that I'm saying now is that people need to be on autodrafting and having that bill emailed to them. if they decide not to,
it shouldn't be the tax burden of all the citizens as a collective to be able to have that. There's other companies, FPL is one, uh Duke Energy is one, there's credit card companies that do the same thing of having if you want to
pay per bill, it's from a dollar to $5. I'm not saying $5. I think we need to cover our cost on it so we're not making money on it, but we shouldn't be paying out more than what we should. My proposal is for y'all
to ask your citizens about this proposal. Look at this. bring it back to a motion that we proposed for council on June 17th to review this because on July 1st, our water
bill goes into the Tyler system. When that goes, it would be nice to have that seamless that we don't have to come back in and reimplement into the same process again. We already have the system up and
running. It's transferring July one. We might as well make this as July one as we go forward. The same process to save the taxpayers $183,000 a year. I know we constantly try to figure out how to trim and find
money. This is a no-brainer. This is very simplistic. And we're not trying to cut somebody out that they do not have to go digital. there's a way for them to still get paper. The
difference is is it may cost them a $150, $1.75, whatever it is. But we have now waited 18 months and it has increased $20,000 in 18 months without us even looking at it.
So computer systems here, let's implement it so we can move forward. So, I'd like to make a motion with council to re-review this on January 17th so we can talk about it, vote on it, so hopefully in July we can save the
citizens of Port Orange money. Second. You have a motion and a second. Any discussion? read. I mean, as long as we're we're just bringing this forward to actually vote on it at July Motion is
to put it on the on an agenda for Yeah. I don't even know if we need a motion for that, but I I have no issue with it. Do we need a motion for that? I think you just need direction to tell me it's that's what you want me to do. I I'm fine with that direction. Good. Everybody good with that? Good with it for being on a on an agenda item for
discussion. I wanted to discuss what he was talking about before the the the motion was made. So the I I thought that within the water bill itself, we were already covering the cost of mailing it.
And am I not correct in that? No, you are. We have to be really careful about this, right, Matt? Because we're starting to discuss something that may come before us, even though it's open. We're discussing it amongst ourselves now. We're fine. You're fine. Okay. I mean, the way I understand it, and
correct me if I'm wrong, is that we're already charging the citizen who's getting a paper bill for the mailing of it. So, when we did the rate study a while back, we just we'd increased the rates that they there is some amount of that taken into account. I can't say
that we did it to cover completely the cost of it. I don't think that that was the point wasn't to 100% cover the cost of the mailing. So, uh, sim similar to the the credit card bill thing where we don't do the search charge and pass that on. So, it it was a we were aware it was there, but we weren't they we didn't ask
them in the rate study to make sure that they cover the cost. So, this is and this is utility fees. It's it's utility rate payers that are that are subsidizing that cost. So, all all the savings would go to your back to your utility. So, my other concern and
and there I mean if we make it it's still going to be optional. You can still get a paper paper uh bill. You're just going to pay a little more. And that averages, is it a$125 a month or is it what they're going to pay a year?
That'd be probably about buck buck 25 at the going rate as of right now with the increase in July uh 13th when the postal service goes up your rate and the stampage and everything you'll be right at 99 cents. It's a dollar.
There is so much fraud going on right now electronically that the last thing I want I mean it's not like I'm going to be forcing our citizens to go all electronic but I don't encourage it because there is
every day every day I'm hearing it uh all throughout the state fraud on uh elderly people fraud on young people who are getting text messages. They're getting email
messages. They're opening these things up and there's and now we're going to give them one more opportunity to to to go after how many people? Well, that mean currently right now you got 14,000
people that are already doing it electronically. Yeah. So now they're going to get, you know, if the the criminal activity on $14,000 incre the criminal activity on 14,000 people increases with an opportunity that hey this is your water bill and it's not
their water bill if they choose to go but they can choose not to do it just going to pay for it. Correct. But I would also look at that u councilman is the permits that everybody does inside the city is electronic and they pay with
a credit card that is captured through the credit card processing service. Mhm. So that that is already being done and it has been here. Yeah. You're over $900 million being done with a credit card in the county dealing with all your
property taxes. Yeah. So there's there's large chunks here and I and I get it and I and I understand both sides and the fear of it. But ultimately when we're coming down to tax season and you're sitting there looking at milit rates and increases, one of the things that I want
to stress to is how do we safely and minds worthiness of a citizen telling them that we're increasing when we could decrease bills to them. It's
all tax base and and it's a concern. So, I I look at every penny possible. And this is why I said I I want to put this out there to the 17th. That way, you have all your constituents between now and the 17th to have those conversations with them. So, when we come back to ret
talk about this on the 17th, u you've had those conversations with your citizens. Good for now. Yeah, we're good for now. Mr. Grubs, in that analysis of the what 98 cent, let's just say it's a dollar. Does that include labor? That doesn't include labor for somebody to have to put that it's electronically. It's all
electronically built. Okay. I already know that. That's all I got on that issue. Okay. Okay. Well, we we we've got at least enough interest. We we'll bring it back for an agenda item discussion. My my my my thing on it. There's a motion on the floor. We either need to withdraw it or vote on it. We'll vote on
it. Give me one second. So, we'll, you know, my my and and and I applaud Tracy for for always looking even if, you know, maybe there's going to be some some different perspectives. Um, you know, my thing is is like there's there's almost this thing that happens sometimes when they build college and high school campuses where they don't
put sidewalks everywhere and they wait to see the path that everybody takes, kills all the grass and they're like, "Okay, we need a sidewalk there because that's where everybody goes." And in some degree, that's what's happened. the the the majority of our residents who could do this electronically have already to
some degree spoken and said they don't want to do it electronically. So that's why they want the that's why they've chosen to keep getting the paper copy. So but but let's have a let's have a discussion of it. My my biggest concern is a lot of our residents uh are are seniors and stuff like that. they don't
they don't pay their bills on their smartphones or their computers and tablets like that and and uh but but but it's I think it's worthy of of having it on on an agenda item personally. That's what I think and let's let's have the discussion. So um all right, you want to do a roll
call, right? No, you do. Okay. So all all in favor of having this on agenda. Do we need public comment on this one? Anybody in the public want to want to want to speak to it real quick? Okay, back to council. All in favor for
having this uh item on the agenda. Was it June 17th? June 17th. June 17th. Say I. I. I. Anybody oppose? Nay. I. Nay. 41. All right. Welcome to the conversation. Yeah. So, um I was having a nice
conversation with a resident. Actually, it was a several residents up at the Jackie Robinson Stadium last week and the the wonderful compliments they made about our city and how much they love living here and when they come off 95
and it's the setbacks and the trees. They love the trees and our forester is retiring. Hopefully he's got a good replacement. Uh but we it was so nice to hear that and then I drive through the city and I start seeing things. I'm
like, "Oh, what are we doing?" So, um and I know there's other people that see things, signs knocked down, which happens quite often with vehicles driving around town. um signs that are we talked about monument signs that we
require a certain height, a certain look, got to be painted when they open that up business and then all a sudden 3, four years later they're molded and it don't look that good. And for some reason, I've got these wide goggles and I'm seeing all this stuff and I I have
brought it up to Wayne's attention and our assistant manager's attention and I know we have a new code enforcement team and I'm excited about that and I know they're going to be very aggressive on it. And it's one thing building a beautiful city or building a beautiful community. It's another maintaining it.
And when we talk about, well, yeah, we that all costs money to maintain it or that all costs, you know, staff and and I don't care. People love this city. No one's complaining to me about how much money it costs them to live in this
city. They just want it to be the best city. They want it to be the safest. They want it to be the the services that our firefighters provide to be prompt. They wanna have good sidewalks. They want to have good parks. I don't hear anyone complaining about how much money
they have to spend to live here. So, I really want us going into a budget season thinking about that. We're talking about saving the city money. At the same time, we might have to spend some money because we had a family here, two of them, talking about flooding. And
not many people are complaining about that anymore. and they left before I could actually speak to them because I'm not going to interrupt their three minutes, but if you're gonna come and speak to us, please stick around so we can talk to you too as well. I know we try not to interrupt three minutes, but it's
important that people understand that we care and there's a lot that can be done in this city and I know we're working towards it to keep it one of the best cities in the in the county. Um, it's great to hear the comments and it's uh and it's good to hear that we got a new
code enforcement gentleman and um so we're working on it. I know that there's been new sidewalks being laid out all throughout the city and I see in the uh the newsletter. I appreciate that and let's just keep it heading in the right direction. That's all I have. That's it. Yeah. Council Green, a couple things and
I um the first thing I want to I want to bring to light is we approved a landscape maintenance contract today uh on consent that saved us uh about $100,000. And I think that uh you know,
we we we we vote on things on this consent and people don't really know what they're all about and how the bolts work, but we saved $100,000 and uh on lawn maintenance. that that's a big deal. And uh again, I want to commend staff on on putting
those things out there and you know, they they've tightened up these bids and these bid openings and and what we're doing and uh and it's working. It's saving money and I think that's very important we we let people know. Um couple things, other things. I went to the touch a truck thing that was out here at the city circle over the weekend
and I got to tell you, I don't know if it was for old men like myself or for little kids, but everybody enjoyed it. Um, it was really good to see the amount of vendors that came out that were involved, the amount of volunteers that were out here for a little event for our
city to to for for kids and big kids to come out and look at big trucks. It was it was pretty cool. Um, the uh I saw in the newsletter where there we are going to HOAs and we are going to
neighborhoods and we are talking to residents about these scams. And and again, after last meeting and and the lady who worked at the Circle K who helped those folks not get scammed out of that money, I I was very touched by that. And now that I see that we are
going out neighborhoods and neighborhoods talking to people about these scams and I would uh I I encourage our residents to stay on the newsletter, find out where these little meetings are going to be and go go to them. So, nothing hurts me wor makes me feel
worse than an elderly person getting scammed out of their hard-earned retirement funds by there's so many scams out there and as you said, they're out there. But, um, I think it's important that we that we continue to go out into the community and and talk to the people about things. It was a big
deal. Um, I don't know if you guys all recognize, but in the house in in in the state house, they passed where they're going to take fluoride out of the water. Yeah. So, that uh that particular thing is going to be going to the governor's desk and more than likely it'll be in
our desk here by around uh July. Um and and I know we've already written we've already written it up how it's going to go down. So, I know we won't come to us. No, no. If he signs it on July 1, so it doesn't come to us at all. We have to Yeah. We still have a resolution that
currently says that we do it. So, I I think it would be best practice. Go ahead and repeal that. You can't do it if the state said no. Yeah. Just to clean it up, right? Yeah. Okay. Sure. But again, it's coming and if you uh go down to page 29 2497, you'll find that
written in that bail somewhere. Um but uh other than that, I just want to appreciate, you know, again, thanks staff for for everything you guys do and u looking forward to the next one. Anything else? That's it. All right. Um, Wayne, just a just a note for you and I
I I know we've talked about this and and and and honestly I I I take the responsibility of of not not getting some meetings scheduled, but I really want to I want to find some times to get those HOA meetings that we've been talking about. We've got a a really good I I think it's a really good idea. The
city staff has they've gone in and updated all the contacts as much as we can to the HOA communities that that are in our city. And um we've had this idea of hosting them to come into city hall and uh and
have at least myself, the city attorney and Wayne and a couple other staff folks because there's a there's been changes in in legislation over the years that impact the HOAs and also we want to try to be having a little bit of a better relationship to to get information out there. A lot of the HOAs struggle with
understanding what's their responsibility, what's the property owner's responsibility, what's our responsibility and things like that. So, the best way to do that, I think, is to to to get them in and invite them and and um we've had some it's kind of gotten overcome by events, but it's something that's been on our plate. So,
let's you and I connect and try to find some dates and and get that ball moving. Um just a quick comment. I had it on here. Councilman Green touched on the the bright the bright view contract for the landscaping. I think they were a vendor uh on on this same project area previously. The only thing I will stress
with staff is is bidding a contract and presenting a price and winning a contract because a price sometimes inherently involves them cutting corners. And so my expectation is that there is a lot of oversight from our staff to make sure that corners are not
cut. Whatever the contract says they have to do, their feet are held to the fire. Um, in the past we've had some issues where we hear, well, you know, they were allowed to do that last time or this and that and lots and lots and lots of excuses. And so, um, you know,
how the city looks is important to a lot of our residents. So, I just want to make sure that the message is clear from council that when you congratulations that you've won this contract, but now you've got to perform what the contract says. So, I know staff has done a lot of
job, a lot of work, and I and I applaud that and appreciate tightening up some of the language in the contract because I think in the past, Wayne, I know you and I had this conversation a few years ago. There's just too much wiggle room for interpretation and staff has done a nice job tightening that up. So, I I
appreciate that. So, all right, moving on to item 15. Mr. City Attorney, tell us what we've said, Ron. Nothing tonight, man. Pretty good. Item 16, Mr. City Manager. How about you? I don't have anything additional. All right. Thank you, sir. Moving on to board
appointments, interviews, and reports. Item 17, environmental advisory board report. John, what's happening? Good to see you. Welcome. Good to see you, my friend. Come on up. John Maloo, environmental advisory board vice chair. Before I start on that, Mr. Green, Councilman Green, it's a great point on
the HOAs. We had two representatives from Port Orange Police come to our HOA and talk to us about scams and fraud. Outstanding. Go at it. Get get to the other HOAs and get them all to understand what's going on out there. Good job by the police
department. Environmental advisory board. We we're getting busy. We've been busy. We have an adopt a drain program. Uh we're moving moving forward with our plans to have a resident adopt a drain program. Uh basically, uh our city
engineer, Mr. Reid, joined us last night for our meeting and gave us an overview of what Daytona Beach is doing. They've been in this program for about six months. Then it's it's getting a resident or residents to commit to keeping the drains clean, of course,
safely, not not during the middle of a hurricane, but this is prior to when warnings come or just in general. And uh there there's a uh company that has sent us some information which does this nationwide consulting firm and we're
going to put our plan together and get some budgetary numbers and submit it to city manager for his review and we'll go from there on that. Uh other um projects we're working on is the plant giveaway. Last year during the fall festival we we
gave away trees to our residents. This year we're doing the same, but we're we're looking at bushes. We're we're looking at typical native bushes that would draw butterflies. We thought that would be a good idea. So, this is again, it's going to be open to all the residents. Um, and
it'll be at our fall festival. We're not quite sure what bushes are yet. We're we're looking to see what our our local vendors have in stock, but we'll uh we'll figure that out. Uh if you're familiar with our garden, we planted a garden. Environmental advisory board,
our volunteers put a garden together just uh north on the north side of the Chamber of Commerce building. Uh we're maintaining that. We're actively seeking funds for some benches and also for a border around it so we don't have to go there
and pick the weeds around the side. But it's a nice place to go and sit, take a look at the river, and the plants are doing just just fine on their own. They're all native, by the way, so no maintenance. Okay, we have a water goat.
Everybody knows what a water goat is. We have a water goat on the small canal feeding at the inter coastal by the uh same side, the north side of the chamber building. Uh it's doing its job as evident by the storms in November or
during the fall I should say. Uh we the trash we haven't weighed the amount of trash we pull out of there but it's considerable. So it's stopping this trash from from heading into the uh into the river. If you all get a chance take a look at it. Uh what it is, it's a big
inflatable net and as the trash hits it, pushes it to the side of the river and also catches anything else. Um vacancies, we do have a vacancy on our board. We'd like to have it filled
as soon as possible if we could. Now, on a personal note, you you all some of you know that I'm I'm also appointed to Valuchia Forever and Valuchia Echo. So, keep those Echo applications coming in. Keep an eye on the calendar because the dates do change
for some of the programs, but it's, as you know, Echo, we've done a lot of echo work here uh in the uh in the city of Port Orange. I want to continue that. Forever, which if you're not familiar with Forever, Forever is basically for land conservation.
So if you if you know any farms or any large parcels, even small parcels of property that you would like Valuchia County, Valuchia Forever to look at purchasing for again for conservation or for um passive
recreation, get a hold of us forever, the staff, and we look at those applications the meeting after the application is submitted. So, just something I just wanted to highlight before I forget. Okay. Any questions, comments? John, I'd like you to do me a
favor the next time you come to speak, if you don't mind. Yes. Because I've seen the numbers for Valuchia Forever and they're staggering. They're impressive. I I like them a lot. So, if you get a chance, one one of your times coming to see us, if you could get the historical numbers on how much has been
purchased through Valuchia Forever and and and just come back and put that on the record. Sure. I'm not going to put you on the spot and do it tonight, but but it's impressive. It is very very impressive. And I think I I think there's still a lot of people who don't know that and how much. That's a great
point. It's a story we should keep telling because, you know, the voters reapproved uh Florida forever. Yeah. We we just re we just taxpayers and the voters just reapproved it in 2020 for another 20 years and it works by 72%. Yeah. And that includes Echo. And
uh the you're you're absolutely right on PR because people don't know these programs exist. Yeah. And and on forever, we're actually out there soliciting properties to get to get some activity going. I think it's impressive
the number when you say specifically this many acres has been acquired to be in preservation. We'll do it. And that's pretty cool. So sure thing. Hang on one second. Anybody else got anything for John? Go ahead Tracy. John, one of the things that you said is dealing with the butterfly gardens and things of that nature. If you get with Valuchia County
Parks, they actually have a group that's their master gardeners. That's all they do is the different plant lives and dealing with butterflies and reestablishing that to them. So, there's actually a group out there that already
does that and I can get you in contact with them. Okay, sounds good. Thank you. Thanks for your service, John. Appreciate Yeah, I wanted to say thank you John for your your work on this and uh the port the rhetoric club of Port South Daytona may be interested in
providing those benches. Yeah, we have we have to come and approach the uh the grouping and that's one of our uh objectives. All right, feel free to give me a call and I'll put you at the right. Okay. Thank you, John. Thank you. Thanks,
John. Have a good night. All right. Right. Item 18, fire pension board appointment. Uh, the fire pension needs a fifth member and it looks like Chris Taylor has uh been asked to be reappointed to that. So, kind of ministerial, but need a motion to
reappoint Chris Taylor. Move to appro to appoint Chris Taylor. Reappoint Chris Taylor. Second. Any other nominations? No. All right. Call the roll or voice vote. Call
either one. All in favor to reappoint Chris Taylor uh to continue being the fifth member of the fire pension board. Signify by saying I. I. I. Any opposed? Like sign. 50. Congratulations, Chris. Brings us to the public hearing portion
of tonight's meeting. Item 19, second reading of ordinance number 2025-09. City attorney. Take it away. An ordinance of the city of Porsia County, Florida relating to comprehensive planning. Amending the future land use map of the comprehensive plan. Amending
the future land use flu designation for plus or - 1.2 acres from commercial to mixeduse center authorized transmitt to required agencies providing for conflicting ordinances seability and an effective date. Got a motion to approve uh second reading for ordinance number
2025-909. Move to approve or Item 19 with the one that has ordinance number 2025-09. Yeah. Well, you read it out loud so I didn't think you needed out. Second.
Any comments from council? Any comments from the public? Seeing none. Back to council. Mayor, we did one. Oh, Robert. How'd I miss you in a bright yellow shirt, my friend? Come on up. Mayor, council members, Robert
Reinhagen, 1425 Dexter Drive North. Um I I want to repeat what I said the the first reading and uh in in the the packet the agenda packet it says the proposed new six parking spaces along
the east side of the Halifax Drive are intended to service the 12 slip marina at 40 84 Halifax Drive and are not anticipated to be high turnover spaces but rather vehicle parking for an
extended period of time. Now, it sounds to me like they'd want to take public parking that's on the public rideway and reserve it for the marina. And I think that would be just totally inappropriate
and maybe even illegal. So, I I suggest that you uh do not permit that. Thank you. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Anybody else from the public wish to speak? All right, back to council. Call the
role. Councilman Foley, yes. Councilman Gford, yes. Councilman Green, yes. Vice Mayor Gross, yes. Mayor Stner, yes. 50. Item 20, second reading of ordinance number 2025-10. That's an ordinance of the city of Cornish County, Florida, reszoning property consisting of plus or minus.58
acres from community commercial to Catfish Commons Plan commercial development. Approving the second restated master development agreement. Catfish Commons Plan, commercial development, MDA, and Conceptual Development Plan, providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances, severability,
and an effective date. I have a motion, please. Move to approve ordinance number 2025-10. Second. All right. Council, any comments on second reading? No. For this one? No. Anybody in the public wish to speak on this one?
No. All right. Back to council. Call the role. Councilman Foley? Yes. Councilman Gford? Yes. Councilman Green? Yes. Vice Mayor Grabs. Yes. Mayor Stner. Yes. 50. Item 21, second reading of ordinance number 2025-12.
It's an ordinance of the city of Cornw for reszoning property consisting of plus or minus 1.23 acres from planned commercial development PCD to professional office PO authorizing revision of official zoning atlas and providing an effective date. Can I have a motion? Move to approve ordinance
number 2025-12. Second. Any comments from council? No. No. Any comments from the public? Back to council. Call the role. Councilman Foley. Yes. Councilman Gford? Yes. Councilman Green? Yes. Vice Mayor
Grubs? Yes. Mayor Stiller? Yes. 50. Item 22, second reading of ordinance number 2025-13. That's an ordinance of the city of Orange County, Florida, reszoning property consisting of approximately plus or minus 5.38 acres from planned commercial development PCD to com
community commercial CC authorizing revision of the official zoning atlas and providing an effective date. Have a motion, please. Move to approve ordinance number 2025-13. Second. Any comments? Council on second reading. No. Anybody from the public
wish to speak to this one? Back to council. Call the role. Council Foley. Yes. Council Gert. Yes. Councilman Green. Yes. Vice Mayor Krebs. Yes. Mayor Ser. Yes. 50. Approved. Microphone brings
us. Look at this. She's She is on it. Item 23, first reading of ordinance number 2025-14. Can I get a motion in a second to put this on the floor? I'll go ahead and read that one. uh an ordinance of the city of Orange Bush
County, Florida annexing approximately plus or minus 56.5 acres of property located west of Airport Road and north of Charles Street, repealing conflicting ordinances, providing for several providing an effective date. Now, how about a motion and a second to put it on the floor? Move to approve ordinance
number 2025-14. Second. Motion in a second. Good to see you, Penelopey. Good evening, Penelopey Cruz Planning. Um just ask you to bear with me. been fighting this cold for four weeks now, so I might need to tag team Tim in if I get into a coughing fit. So, just bear with me. Um, the
applicant is requesting to voluntarily annex 56.5 acres currently located in unc incorporated Valuchia County um on the west side of Airport Road and north of Charles Street. Florida law requires um when somebody wants to voluntarily annex property into a municipality that
it meets three criteria. Uh staff report on file certifies that the area meets these criteria. The first being it's continuous to the city of Port Orange boundary. It's reasonably compact and not currently part of the incorporated area of another municipality. Also pursu
pursuant to Florida statutes. Once a property has been annexed into the city, the city has the responsibility to change the future of land use to a and zoning to a city land use um from the county designations. If the annexation is approved tonight, the applicant
intends to in the near future apply to change the future land use of the property from Valuchia County Agricultural Resource and Urban Low Intensity to City of Port Orange Rural Transition, which is a 0 to2 units per acre category, and apply to reszone the property to planned unit development in
order to establish the development framework for a subdivision with up to 113 single family homes designed um and with a density and a layout. out of two units per acre, similar to what's across the street at W's
Edge. Um, city departments um have reviewed the proposed annexation and an uh impact analysis has been um prepared in the staff report and the annexation um shows that it is able to meet
adequate capacity for infrastructure and services for the proposed subdivision that is going to be proposed if it's annexed. if the annexation is approved. Excuse me. I do want to note um because we haven't had an annexation in a long time. It's been several years
since we've had a voluntary annexation. Um it has been reviewed like I said for the three Florida statute criteria for location. That's what the staff report covers. That's what the analysis covers when when annexations come forward. It meets those criteria. The impact analysis shows that we have the capacity
to to handle the proposed development that's to come if it is annexed. However, I do want to note that an annexation is not a quasi judicial decision that must be based on competent and substantial evidence similar to other applications that you see that come before you like land use amendments
and zoning. Um, a voluntary annexation is a legislative decision. Um, and what that means is that any action of the council can be based on any legitimate public concern regarding how the annexation could affect the city or surrounding evidence um, surrounding
areas. So, with that, um, I just want to put up what the next steps would be if the annexation were to be approved. It would, if it's approved today on first reading, it would have a second reading. Um, that would be on June 17th. Thereafter, the applicant would be
required to submit the future land use amendment application and the resoning application for the PUB that's proposed. Those two items would go through the staff development review committee. Once there's no significant comments, um it would come forward to public hearings. Um once those applications are submitted
within 10 days, staff would go out and post the properties on all three sides where there's roads, airport road, Charles, and Russell Road. The developer is required to also lead a neighborhood meeting um prior to the items coming to planning commission, prior to them
coming to their first public hearing in order to get that feedback from the neighborhood and make any adjustments to their proposals. Thereafter, excuse me. Thereafter, I would start the public hearing process planning commission for both items first reading at city council. There would be a break at that
point to transmit the land use amendment to the Valuchia Girth Management Commission. There's a 30-day review. Then they would both come back for second reading. Um, and at that point, if those two items are approved, they would submit their subdivision platin plans to develop the subdivision. Um, so
staff is here to answer any questions you may have about the indexation or any future process coming forward there. And the applicant is here and would like to speak as well. Okay. So, um, but I I think you're right. I think in my little over 10 years on city council, this has only
happened one time that I can think of. May maybe two, right? But not very many. We had like 2008. We had our our Bruner Road property where we're doing our and we've had um like one or two small ones here and there, but not many. How long ago? We don't we don't go out and annex property. We only do volunteer. How long
ago 2008 was, right? 2018. Sorry, not 2008. Sorry. All right. So, anyhow, council, this is uh this is something that doesn't happen very very often. So, um uh I want to give you guys an opportunity to ask questions to staff. So, we're going to start with Councilman Green. I don't have anything from staff
yet. Okay. I don't have anything either. Sorry, Penny. I do. Okay, Penny. I'm just I'm reading into this and and I'm just making sure I I'm reading it right. If it stays in county's hands, the
density that they can do is they could do four home up to four homes per acre. It it basically comes out to about 19 homes, something like that. Yeah. Total. I'm looking at uh in the rural transition it it comes down to two homes
per acre if it gets annexed by us. But in that transition up at the where it says Valuchia County urban low intensity is 0 to four units per acre. But then there's a portion of the property that's got a a lower density. So not all of it has the same. Can you clarify that in a
little bit more depth what you're talking about? because I I believe what Councilman Groves was talking about is the total acreage is 56.5. The total acreage is 56.5. Two different Yes. Okay. You could clarify that for us. Yes. There's there's two different
categories on the property. Um excuse me. One of them allows up to four units per acre and we always analyze the the theoretical max. How many acres of is that? Is it like 3.3 and a half acres or something that allows that? Yeah, I think I have that in here. So we've got
it's yeah it's got about apologize 52.96 acres has agriculture research resource which is a really low density. It's one unit per 10 acres. So the majority of it is one unit per 10 acres and then there's a portion of it
3.5 acres 3.57 acres that has the urban low intensity which is up to four units per acre. So the the total that it would yield is 19 units right now as a whole in the county. Is that the question? Yep. What else you
got? That's it for now. That's it. Y Councilman Foley. Yeah, I'm good till I hear from the applicant. Okay. Um OB, so obligations after annexation. What what are our legal obligations after annexation in terms of
establishing a land use? We we walk us through that. Yeah. So once it's annexed, we don't have jurisdiction to to implement to enforce our land development code until we apply a city future land use on it on the property
and then obviously for it to be able to to to do anything with the land a zoning. Um, so if if you annex a property and you don't then provide the the city's land use and zoning, you're kind of in a no man's land where it's in
the city, but our hands are tied. We don't have jurisdiction to to do anything. Okay. Um, so that that's state law actually requires us to apply to apply those. So then what would be what would be the options when we apply the FLU
to the the property owner applies and requests and we analyze that. Okay. Um the policy historically but ultimately who determines that? Does the council determine that or the property owner determines that? I know the property owner. The property owner makes the request. Yes. The property owner
makes the request. It comes before the planning commission and the council and that's your quasi judicial where you you you take a vote but that has to be based on substantial evidence, right? As to and so what what the city has historically looked at um as as a
general policy has been to to to recommend approval for categories that are compatible and consistent with the surrounding area. which is why when they first came and and talked to us, we said we really wouldn't even consider anything above the 0 to2 unit because
that's what's um that's what's across the street, right? Nothing denser than that. Um we've had people look at this property in the past that wanted to do a lot higher density and it's just not compatible. It's not what we would entertain and and probably bring before you based on the history of of how the
city's done things. Um, this graphic here kind of shows you what that density is in that area. You can see across the street, W's Edge is is two units per acre. Um, just north of the property, there's an ALF. Um, it's got 80 beds, so it's a different, it's not really a
density. Um, there's just above that, there's the Whispering Woods condominium, which is 8 units per acre. Um, and then behind it, there's a mobile home subdivision in the county that's at 2.4 units per acre. Spruce Creek Flyins at three units per acre. Um, so the zero
to two units per acre is consistent and compatible with that surrounding area for what they are proposing if the annexation is approved. All right, that's good for now. Let's hear from the applicant. Okay, turn this off. Good evening. Joey Posie, 420 South
Nova, attorney for the applicant. Uh, and and I appreciate the time staff has put into this. Um, you know, I I think I disagree with staff to a little bit of an extent as to the purview of the council in their decision-m when it comes to future land use. Uh, of course it's quasi judicial, but again, the
ultimate decision makers are you guys that in terms of the application of future land use. And um, you know, I I don't want to put the cart before the horse, I guess, is what I'm saying. And that you know, analysis hasn't occurred on the future land use side. There's uh you know I think for full transparency
um the reason those numbers were floated out there because that was conceptually what this applicant was looking to do. That doesn't mean that's a ceiling. That is not where we end up at the end of the day. That isn't where these entitlements will take us. Uh but um you know in terms of transparency on our end that
was that was the goal. Uh and you really do have you know two layers to this in terms of future land use and compatibility. it isn't a one-size fit all that, you know, there's conditionally compatible plenty of categories that I'm sure that uh uh when you apply the policies for this piece of property, again, you know, our our
impression would be that 0 to2 would be an appropriate category, but uh again, that's a conversation that's way out into the future. Um the second part of this that's true is in terms of your flexibility on how the application of the code would occur with the zoning
level. And again, the the 113 is a theoretical max. Um you know we've we have had plenty of discussions in terms of uh you know issues that we've identified that are city concerns in terms of storm water in terms of master planning for how these things would lay out and you know it's very it's it's
been unbelievably conceptual in our end and that the first step to get to the phase where we start putting all of that engineering to work and trying to design a project that everybody working together can achieve that that comes after this step. So um you know again I
don't want to give the impression that this is a you know blessing in disguise more or less but I think at the you know what staff is trying to do is that we're trying to be transparent about where we are at and at the end of the day it's it's a ceiling. So you know it's not something that we're here tonight to say
that the you know these are the numbers and this is where we're at. We're just here to say, is this property more appropriately under the jurisdiction of the city or is the property more appropriately under the jurisdiction of the county? That's tonight's question. So, uh, we're available for any other
questions you may have. Again, I it's we're very conceptual at this point. We have the engineer. We felt that it was necessary to bring him too if there's specific questions. Um, you know, talking generally about, you know, the annexation, but and also the applicants here, too. So, I at least wanted to make those points.
Here I go. Councilman Grubs. I'm good. I apologize. I've forgotten my allergy medicine this morning and I've been paying for it ever since. No, I'm I'm good. All right. Go ahead. Um, thanks for being here, Joey. Um, I think my question is probably more for Penny, so I'll probably wait for her to
get up here. Um, but I do appreciate how this has been presented. Um, you know, you represented the MA maline Commons project and you earned a great deal of respect for me in how that was negotiated out from where it started where it finished and so I have a lot of
uh confidence and trust in you. Um, that makes it a little easier to talk about things like this when they come come up. So, I want to give you that kudos because I know I've been not been your best friend from my seat at all times, but um but you earned a lot of clout with me then and so uh but my question
is more for Penny. Understood. Councilman Green. I'm good right now. I'm good for now. Good for now. I guess we're good for now. Okay. All right. Anybody on uh from the public did you want to come back up? Oh, it looked we'll go to public and then we'll come back up. Anybody from the public wish to
speak to this? Come on up, Robert. Mayor, council members, Robert Reinhagen, 1425 Dexter Drive North. Uh when I read the uh the agenda packet, it um it indicated the the what Penny said
about being one of the criteria is being compact and but in parentheses around it, it says does not contribute to urban sprawl and and that threw some confusion to me
because two units per acre to me that is urban sprawl. So, I don't know how they make the justification that she she made for bringing it into the city. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else from the public
wish to speak to the item? Back to council. Penny, you want to come back up? Councilman Fley, thank you. Uh, just want to make sure I do understand. So, we're we're voting on annexation. I understand that. Um,
so right now what's being proposed is is that and and again I appreciate the straightforwardness is they're going to come back and ask to do about 113 homes. Um, we're not we're put in a position where that when that comes before us, we'll be able to say yes or no.
Um, I guess what I want to I'm trying to carefully phrase the question here. If they were to come forward back and say, "All right, we actually new plan. We want to build a Walmart on this part and we want to build a thing. We'd have the right to vote that down. Correct. And staff wouldn't recommend
approval for that either because it wouldn't meet a Walmart would have to be um designated commercial and that land use doesn't meet the location criteria. I'm being absolutely preposterous on on purpose. Right. We've got criteria in our comprehensive plan that allows us to guide um the analysis that we provide
you that gives you some of the data and analysis to be able to make your decision. Ultimately, you do and I want to clarify I I that that is what I said. It is up to the council. The um the applicant makes a request, right? We anal an analyze it and it comes before you as a quasi judicial decision, but it
is ultimately up to you and especially with PUDS, it's a negotiated zoning, right? And so, and I appreciate you clarifying that and I appreciate again the straightforwardness and being upfront and being honest and and the comparisons in this graphic to be able to say, "Okay, this is what is going on in Cypress Head and W's Edge and and
etc." So, it it makes it so much easier to take this information and kind of boil that down for me. So, um I think it's a good job by everybody. Thank you. Mine is dealing with the future annexed or not annexed. the the ultimate goal
here is we know that homes are going to be built either at the county or Port Orange city limits. My my question is is what is the strain on police fire uh in that area as we start to build out
in those properties because it's not just this property. I mean, y'all travel out there and there's another 100 acres that's out there and there's another 80 acre parcel that's out there also. It's future for the taxpayers, the burdens
that we have to look at in the future. So, police and fire were part of the review of the annexation. Um, they were provided the information that if this property was annexed into the city, what is proposed ultimately would be up to 113 single family homes. and they stated
that they have the capacity to handle that. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yep. So, this is uh going to be a topic of conversation with people throughout the community eventually. Yes. And um the one complaint I have heard, which isn't
many, is are we going to see another apartment complex? Now, Reed brought up a Walmart. Well, obviously no, but it's residential and it wouldn't be a we we're clear to say to the public that this will not be another apartment
complex going up. Correct. The future land use category that's proposed um right at this time conceptually the future land use category that's proposed is the 0 to2 units per acre. It's a low density residential single family home residential. It doesn't, if you look at
the category in the future in the comprehensive plan, it speaks to single family homes, detached single family homes. Okay. But we're talking about annexing it tonight. We're not really talking about that. Correct. But we did want to foreshadow because once you annex, you are required to apply city
categories thereafter. So, we wanted to foreshadow that if you approve this, this is most most likely what is coming as far as this is what's under the discussion at this point. Um things change um based on based on the neighborhood meeting, based on the review and analysis, but at this point,
this is what we have been told is the desire if it is annexed. And so we wanted to to to put that out there and and be forthright about that. Okay? And I'm going to put this out there, too. If we annex this property and this property gets sold to another developer and they come to me looking for an apartment
complex, it's a big no. and and staff's had that conversation as well with people that um you know, like I said, the city policy historically has been to look at the surrounding area and look at what's compatible um and not not
go above a you know, density in that area of more than two units per acre because that's what's in that area. Okay. I don't have anything else for Penny, but I will have is that one one way or another something's going to happen here. Um, and I would rather Port Orange
control it. Um, I look at it like, and I've looked at all the impacts. If if I didn't know that the interchange at Pioneer Trail was now going to happen, I would have had second thoughts on this. But now that I know that that interchange's coming, I look at the
impact. I I I think I've decreased the impact on the traffic. Fire department's half mile away. We got water out there. These kind of things. This is going to be the final little piece. I guess this is going to be the southwest border of Port Orange. It's going to be this property because you're not going to see anything else to the south and west of
that road that's going to come into Port Orange because nothing else going to be contiguous. So, I look at it as as as this particular potential for us to have some some nicer homes, something that's going to contribute to Port Orange with very
little impact. We do we do know in in today's code that you know we're not going to allow this builder to go out there and build something that's going to flood or flood someone else. We know we've we've learned these valuable lessons and I feel like we are going to have better control over this property
and this future property by it being in Port Orange. Anything else? That's all I got. All right. So, um I' I've spoke with the with the with the applicant on this and uh you know, first and foremost, what I would what I would say is that this is
an applicant with a long history of doing some really good quality work in the city of Port Orange. So that that gives me some comfort. And and and while tonight's meeting is strictly about annexation, I I would agree wholeheartedly with with what Councilman
Green uh just pointed out is that I would much rather have a project being done in Port Orange where we have some say and we have uh some control over getting the best quality project to to come into the city of Port Orange. my
and I've spoke to the city manager about this. You know, one of the concerns I have is is obviously storm water uh mitigation in this area. You wouldn't think that with all of the storm water retention that all of these
neighborhoods have added in this area, and if you don't know what I'm talking about, all you got to do is Google Earth, um that there wouldn't be any issues, but there are issues. and we've seen the Spruce Creek River overflow the ex the Moody Bridge on Williamson and
completely cut off this portion of the city. That being said, the the the uh the build of Pioneer Trail in I95 to a big degree helps to ease that
calm uh or that concern so to speak. Um so so that's a good thing. The other thing, and I and I spoke to the applicant about this, was that there are there are certain ways that storm water runoff is supposed to be occurring out here with the Spruce
Creek River. Most of it coming from the New Simra side of Pioneer Trail. And I've asked a lot of questions. Obviously, I live in close proximity to this area. I've stood out there during storms and immediately after storms and water that's supposed to be flowing a
certain direction is flowing the opposite way. And so my my my concerns that I've spoke at length with the city manager is that, you know, I'm fine with annexation, but when we get to the part where we're approving
development, I really want to be able to see some modeling. I want a greater assurance of how things are going to be done, that we're not going to create any additional storm water problems. Um, and
that the the development will hold its storm water. And and those standards, as we have seen, that everybody's been working off of, they very well, for whatever reason, may not be the standards that are the best anymore. And we're going to have to look at that. I mean, we've had two, you know, we're not
going to beat up what we've had in the last couple of years. You guys are well, we're still getting residents coming in as we see tonight. Um, but it's a big concern. That being said, I think this is something uh of a of a concept and and an applicant that that has a history
of working with us and um and so I do feel good about that and I feel good about the initial annexation of that. But there will be a lot of work and a lot of asurances for me to make sure I want to see it and and and I'm going to ask the city manager to speak to a little bit because right now we are not
capable of modeling this particular area. It is not part of the the storm water master plan this region. And so I'm going to ask Wayne to just touch on that as to what will what does council need to do so that we can get that if we
decide to annex. I think it is a prudent thing for us to do so that we can model these areas. Well, can you just touch on that where we would need to go and what would need to be done so that we can do that? So, one of the things that we did in addition to our storm water master plan as we entered into agreement with
the county to do stormwater basin plans and that was picking up both B19 and Spruce Creeks basin. So, the county study then broad broadens the scope out even beyond just the city of Port Orange. The Spruce Creek basin study will pick up that graphic that was up on
the screen. Most people aren't aware that Spruce Creek actually loops out, goes up north and loops back around and under the bridge. The water from New Simra comes up goes north and west and comes into that same creek going the way around. So that's going to be modeled and and analyzed. It won't be modeled
like at the level that that we did with Kimley Horn, but it will be analyzed through that whole area because this what's out there that what occurred happened with this area being grass. So it this this area will be required by code to hold its water and release it at
the level that that it is now. So it it the engineers are going to be sure they're not going to be adding to the problem. The problem is already there, which is kind of what we have on the east side. We we continue to try to retrofit areas that weren't built to the current code standards. And in this case, we have a bigger issue with that
regional creek. There's obviously something that occurred in there that that the bridge did not survive that that the fact that it's been underwater now twice. So, there's something in that basin that needs to be looked at, I think. But I think this piece of property in the grand scale of things,
there's there's sufficient code to to make sure that that property doesn't contribute to it getting worse. and Wayne are um and and if you don't know, you don't don't don't don't feel like you've got to wing it, but my understanding from the conversations we've had is
that generally speaking, the way that water should run off of that property when it can't retain any more water is it should be going to the s to the west through Samsula Estates into the Spruce Creek River and then running that northerly wraparound all the way out. That's how it ultimately works its way
back. That's correct. That's my understanding of the outfall on this property. Copy that. I don't have anything else. Anybody else want to touch on any of that? The only thing I think that and again and and to follow up on Wayne's conversation is our neighboring our neighbors to the south
have approved this big this big community to be built and their overflow plan is to send it to Port Orange. It they don't have to have a plan. It does that now. Well, but but that's where it goes so you know. Yeah. So, yeah. And that's part of my that's part of my overall concern. not you know the the
particular property itself. Yes. But I'm talking about anything that gets developed in this region of our city. Yeah. Seeing what we have seen coming from across Pioneer Trail is a concern. It has to be a concern because it happens. So we we just got to be able to keep that in mind. Yeah. I think our our
biggest concerns that there were the I don't have the graphics with me, but the two creeks that come north out of W's Edge that one of them comes out at the edge of Cypress Creek and the other comes out of W's Edge and they go north into it where we had a couple of homes on the north side of W's edge flood and then the loop that comes around to the
bridge. I'm really interested in seeing what the basin study shows because I I do think that's a regional issue, not not it's it's the the broader whole full basin of Spruce Creek is where that challenge is coming from. and and when you get a chance, if you can get us an update on the timeline of that study,
that would be great. Okay. Anything else from council? No. All right. We have a motion and a second on the floor for ordinance number 2025-14 for first reading. Call the role. Councilman Foley. Yes. Councilman
Keer? Yes. Councilman Green? Yes. Vice Mayor Gross? Yes. Mayor Stilton? Yes. 5. See you at second reading. Josie. Regular agenda item number 24, capital financing items.
Finance director Mark Simpson is going to lead this. We also have our bond team here with us. Mark, welcome. Just go ahead and read the ordinance for you. Uh, mayor, an ordinance of the city of Port Luch County, Florida, authorizing the issuance of not exceeding 38 million capital improve $38 million capital improvement refunding revenue bonds
series 2025 to refund all or a portion of the city's outstanding stormwater utility revenue bond series 2005 and capital improvement refunding revenue bond series 2014 to finance or reimburse capital improvements providing for the payment of such bonds from legally
available non-advalorm revenues deposited pursuant to a covenant to budget and appropriate providing for repeal of inconsistent provisions, severability, and an effective date. Have a motion, please. I'll go ahead and make the motion. Move to approve ordinance number 2025-15.
Second. We have a motion and a second. Take it away, my friend. Good evening, council. Mr. Mayor, Mark Simpson, finance director, city of Port Orange. Uh, tonight we have the first reading of ordinance number 2025-15, which authorizes and secures capital improvement and refunding
revenue bonds. not to exceed $38 million. Like the attorney mentioned, would say that 22 million is for the public utilities field operations facility and approximately 14 million will refund a portion of the 2014
capital improvement bonds and 2005 stormwater bonds. This would save approximately 1.5 million in debt service over the remaining electrical bonds and has a net present value savings of $667,000 or
4.91%. We do have the esteemed members of our financial team here who can get into the specifics for you if you have questions. We have our bond counsel, our financial adviser, and our underwriter. You may have had us at saving money, but let's just let's just double check.
Councilman Green, anything? I've learned a lot about this in the last month and a half and uh I'm good. Good work, gentlemen. Green, come on. It's finance, man. This is your world. This I do love this world, but actually Wayne took care of it all today during lunch. I'm good.
So, all right. All my questions are answered. I've got nothing for you. I wish I did on that one, but I've got nothing for you on that. Do we need to discuss item B at the same time or are we gonna do that separately? Uh separately, right? Yeah, you can go
separate. All right, we'll do that one separately. Anybody from the public wish to speak to this one? Back to council. Last bite. Saving money. Yeah. Call the role. Councilman Foley. Yes. Councilman Ger, yes.
Councilman Green, yes. Vice Mayor Grubs, yes. Mayor Stilner, yes. 50. How about item B? Resolution number 2525. You look just like the last guy that came up here. We don't have to read that. Oh, we don't. Okay, because this is a
resolution. Next, we have resolution 25-25 to authorize the issuance of general obligation bonds which have been approved by our constituents. Uh these debt proceeds will be used to fund capital projects relating to the parks capital improvement plan. Uh we have
representatives from uh parks here I believe as well as our financial team, bond council, financial advisor, underwriter uh who can answer technical questions related to these general obligation bonds. Anybody have any questions? I'll make a
motion to approve resolution number 2020 or 25-25. I'll second it. So, so this opens up that bank account, if you will, for us to start doing the work of the parks and recck
bond. Is that is that how this basically short shortens out? I believe we've already advanced funded some things and that we Yeah, we did a reimbursement resolution prior that allowed us to start on some of these and then once we get the funds, we we repay ourselves from it. But this is essentially that
puts the 30 million in the bank for you to do the projects. Okay. Right. Thank you. Anybody else got anything? Anybody from the public wish to speak to resolution number 2525? Back to council. Call the role. Councilman Foley. Yes. Councilman Gford.
Yes. Councilman Green. Yes. Vice Mayor Krebs. Yes. Mayor St. Yes. They won't all be like that. Yeah. Especially come July and August. All right. Item number 25, first reading of ordinance number 2025-05.
An ordinance of the city of Forms, Blush County, Florida, authorizing the issuance Oh, I'm sorry. And got I went back one. Amending chapter 58 article 4 sections 5874757 and 78 to remove requirements for photographic and videographic e
documentation of the work area prior to construction. dispensing with permitting requirements for certain routine maintenance tasks, removing various certifications of the engineering plan and the requirements to provide asbuilt upon completion providing for codification, repeal of conflicting ordinances, severability, and an effective date. Can I have a motion in a
second, please? I have a motion to approve 20 2025-05. Second. All right, we have a motion, a second for the item to be on the floor. And I'm going to kick it right back to the city attorney to kind of weigh in on this one for a little bit because I know Henry's team have put in a lot of work
on this. Yeah. So, we've worked closely with the perming team to uh take a look at the ordinance. It's uh it's a been a bit of a moving target for us. We've um there there is significant state law regulation that kind of layers into what you know the city can do locally. Um but
we did get some comments from our industry partners uh communication providers uh for you know that that you know really asked the permitting team in the city to look at some improvements to that ordinance. Um so they you know we took some time uh with those team members they they you know we took a
critical eye to some of the items. I think it was a bit of a kind of meeting in the middle. I don't know that it was exactly what the industry had proposed. Um, I will say there there's there foundationally it seems like there's a bit of a difference of opinion as to, you know,
their legal team and and you know, your your city attorney as as to where this the line in the sand is, I guess, to say for what the city can do in this field. Um it's one that, you know, I I I don't know that we're going to, you know, get there, but we're hopeful that, um,
through this exercise, um, you know, and being responsive and and making this an easier system or a better system, uh, you know, it's it's we think it does weigh uh the the our concern of of protecting your infrastructure that's in the ride ofway. I mean, you know, a
large investment that you have uh with the industry's need to to access that right of way to provide their service to to the citizens. So, you know, we think we uh we we kind of met them in the middle. Um and and that's what's here before you in this draft.
Good. Mr. City Manager, did you want to weigh in on this one at all or you have anybody from staff that wanted to weigh in on it? If you've got any technical questions, city engineer Juno Reed's here to answer them if you have on the specifics of it. All right, Reed. Uh, I don't think I have anything to say
about this one, honestly. Tracy, it's protecting our infrastructure. I mean, we've talked about this several times and uh think leave it in the attorney's hands. So, I'm certainly not an expert in this
field, but I can tell you that uh there's been a lot of stuff going on uh in rideaways throughout this city with uh internet providers and cutting lines and I've had complaints from grass being
removed and not put back and um you know, so this is but what I think what this is doing is is trying to allow it to be a a little easier on the company replacing what's already there
if I understand correctly. Is that correct? Or adding Yeah. adding to it or Okay. improving making it simpler for those. Yeah. When you're just replacing the area like that, an upgrade of maybe a coax to a five or something, but in the exact same location, making that a
little bit of simpler process. Okay. All right. It's good. Makes sense. Yeah. I I've been in in involved in this a little bit and trying to figure it out and and it seemed like um you know that we had a backlog of of a hund and some odd permits for communication companies
trying to get work done in the ride of way and personally I thought that the the requirements for getting a permit in the rightway were were pretty tough and very expensive. I mean, we were requiring, you know, surveys of every single property that you're putting a
pipe in front of and so on and so on. I I think staff's done a good job at working uh to try and make it a little bit easier. I know the backlog of the amount of permits has gone down to hardly nothing and that we're we're getting the work done. Uh, but I'm gonna
echo uh Sean's things is again, we want to make sure that that whoever's working in the rightway finishes the work and finishes it the way it was and not going in tearing up somebody's yard and say it's not our problem. So hopefully we've
we've clarified that within this particular uh ordinance and and that moving forward, a they can get the permits and b they're going to be able to do the work effectively and finish it. Right. For for sure, you know, so former Councilman Bob Ford, uh, who's
no longer with us, used to have a saying that perception might as well be reality sometimes. And, you know, while we're talking about something here where it legally is defined as the city right away, people see this as their yard, right? They mow it, they fertilize it,
they take care of it. It's continuous to their actual private property. And the perception is it's my yard, right? You you guys have all had calls where absolutely, hey, some crew show up today and started digging up my front my front yard and running this pipe. What's going on? Right. So, you know, I I I think
it's our job and us as a city to do the best job we can to to allow companies that need need to get in there and do their work to put the services in that residents are looking for actually, right? but also protect the interest of our residents at the same time and their
properties and and things. Um, unfortunately, you know, I can tell you from firsthand how how destructive it can be and how emotionally defeating it can be because not too long ago, one of these fiber optic companies did this in my daughter's to my daughter's property
here in Port Orange. She's a new homeowner. had been in the home all that long and one of them came through her neighborhood and put their conduit and their whatever they were putting in. I believe it was fiber optic completely through in the sewer line going to the
city street. Well, guess what happens when you put an obstruction inside of a sewer line? You will soon find out that you will get a backup of sewage into your master bathroom. And so those types of things happen from time to time. And I do get mistakes are are going to
happen, but we have to have some oversight. Um, you know, and and when when the when the unfortunate does happen, people have got to call us and we will hold do our best to hold uh, you know, the subcontractors and whoever accountable to make things right and get
things taken care of. So, I do appreciate the work that the city attorney's office has put into this because we do want to have a good relationship and and as technology changes and, you know, things need to be added to the to the networks and the infrastructure to continue to provide a lot of the services that all of our
residents look forward to and enjoy. It's work that's got to be done in the rightway. So, let's go to the public real quick. Alex, did you want to Is he still here? Oh, there he is still here. Yeah, still here. Come on in. You're still waiting. He doesn't get paid unless he gets up to the microphone. Save the best for last. Come on, Alex.
Welcome, my friend. Thank you. And good evening, mayor, members of the city council. Thank you for the opportunity to speak before you today. My name is Alex Redken, and on behalf of Charter Communications, which operates under the brand name Spectrum, I want to thank the
city of Port Orange for its willingness to work with us for over a year on this right-of-way permitting issue. It's been a long time coming and we're deeply grateful for the courage you've showed and for
your leadership in ensuring that this was a process where we could all work together. And while we still have some different perspectives on the details of this ordinance, what unites us ultimately is the shared goal of serving
Port Orange residents, your constituents, and our customers uh as effectively and efficiently as possible. So to to that end, uh we're looking forward to this being implemented and to continuing our strong partnership with the city. So thank you. Excellent.
Thanks, Alex. Appreciate it. Anybody else from the public wish to speak to this? And I will just note that that Alex and I have had a couple of conversations as well as the city attorney and and even the city uh manager through this process and and one of the interesting things that comes up
with every now and then is you hear this thing of well all the other cities do this a certain way and in some cases that is very very much true. But sometimes what you find out is the city has ordinances that aren't being followed and then things just become the
well that's just the way they do it or that's just the way they've done it or that's just what they allow. And so you know I I appreciate the work. There was a lot of work that went into this. I I'll be quite honest with you. And so absolutely but I am glad glad that that we've got it to this point tonight. So
um back to council. Any other comments on this folks? No. Um let's call the role. Councilman Foley. Yes. Councilman Gford. Yes. Councilman Green. Yes. Vice Mayor Kubs. Yes. Mayor Sto. Yes. 50. Council committee reports. Item 26, city
council committee report. River to see TPO. How about it? Vice Mayor Tracy Grubs. Flagler. TPO. So the TPO uh my first meeting with them for Flaggler was actually really good because what happened was they were laying out the
25-year plan. It was good to see in the top 10 25-y year plans Williamson for Port Orange. So, it's it's on the list. It's on the top tier of the list. So, that's my uh report is we got good things coming. Is that from Meline all
the way to Town West? That's going from Beville all the way down to Madlin. Well, they're already doing Bevel. They're already going to do Bevel to Meline now. Yeah. But it's a it's an overall plan going all the way down. It actually pictures it all the way down to Bioner Trail. So, there's sections of it
already done, part of it, but it shows the whole thing. Nice. I'm I'm going to make an updated note from TPO since I just happened to have a little local uh news and knowledge. Um, when I was on the TPO board back in
2019, um, we were h we were seeing a series of horrible accidents that were occurring at the intersection of Pioneer Trail and Tomoka Farms Road. And if some of you recall, we even had a a great public
servant named Frank Scoffield, who was a local Bush County Sheriff's Deputy, lost his life there when he was hit on his bicycle in that intersection. But even weeks preceding that and weeks after there were other um incredibly serious
crashes and it and it just seems like at this particular intersection when there is a crash it's it's rarely ever minor. It's bad. Vehicles are flipped over, people are being extricated, the whole nine yards. And so, um, the TPO and, uh, in the county evolution department of
traffic engineering, they, um, they came up with a concept to redesign that intersection into a roundabout, which is is always interesting when you say the word roundabout and and a lot of folks just don't know, but the reality of it is the facts are undeniable that
roundabouts are safer. They may take a little bit of getting used to. They're not going to completely eliminate accidents, but when accidents happen in roundabouts, they are less serious. Statistically, all over the world, what they see are
incredibly huge drops in severity of accidents and fatalities. And so, that intersection was proposed, it was designed, it was funded, and last month it went out to bid. And the bids have closed. And I believe it has either been
awarded this week or it will be awarded like extremely soon. It's a 440day project. Um I think that in conjunction with the fact that there's going to be an interchange at Pioneer Trail as traffic continues to move
westward on Pioneer now when you get to Tamoka Farms depending on the time of the day you see a pretty good significant backup. The other thing you see is, and maybe it's just a point of humor, but it's amazing how many people still can't function at a four-way stop sign. Nobody has a clue who's supposed
to go and everybody's doing this and and it's like everybody's directing traffic from the windshield of their car and it's the concept of nobody still knows who to go, who to go, when to go, right? Anyhow, that's all going to come to an end. the uh the roundabout design that is going in there. I believe they call
it a a smart roundabout or there Tim, do you know a there's a there's a kind of a nickname where it essentially forces you cuz one of the the it's a one it's one lane though. It's a one lane roundabout. Yeah. Yeah. It's more modern. I think that's what they call them modern roundabouts because initially the old
style roundabouts were designed you you could if you didn't understand I got to stay to the right you could end up turning left. The these you can't do that anymore. It puts your car into that right turn so that you're counterclockwise always in. So, did they resolve the property issues and is that
roundabout going to be on the front steps of the patch? Yeah. So, they they must have I know the last time I saw the design plan, it kind of shifted it a little bit more to the southwest. Um but but it's funded, permitted, it's been bid. It's 440day project. It'll be
coming soon. even snowing not not in our city. I think it'll have impacts on the developments and things that are going out there. So, any other items to come before us tonight? Well, that being said, thank you guys for attending. Have a great night.