##VIDEO ID:Vpcy-_oCK0I## e e e e e e e e e e please rise for invocation by Deacon Steven gross of Our Lady of Hope Catholic Church followed by the Pledge of Allegiance Degan thank you Mr Mayor councilman Mr Mayor friends visitors let us pray Heavenly Father we welcome before you with grateful Hearts seeking your guidance and wisdom in today's meeting we thank you for this community of Port Orange for each leader resident and servant who strives to make it a place of prosperity peace compassion and unity Grant each council member Clarity and discernment as they address the matters at hand help them make decisions that reflect Integrity fairness and compassion for the well-being of all who call this city their home we pray for the citizens of Port Orange may they be blessed with safety prosperity and strong bonds with one another and Lord bless the work done here today and in the days ahead that it may bear good fruit for the benefit of all in your name we pray amen amen I pledge of aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all the clerk call the rooll councilman Foley here councilman grabs here councilman Bastion here vice mayor sner here mayor berett here we have a full Quorum tonight Tracy I appreciate the fact that you made it back this time don't let a tree fall on you while you're trying to cut it down you know that was nice little excuse on your part just because you had to have your knee surgically reattached you know better days that's okay um I also appreciate the fact that you have to make sound judgment tonight and have withheld the painkillers until afterwards Reed I know that you had a work obligation that was in the works for several months but we missed you as well so we're glad to have you back tonight as well glad to be back with that city manager storm update please all right and I know we have a full agenda tonight and I did a longer presentation last time so I'm going to touch on just a couple of things that the first one debris removal so the main thing we've been doing since the storm is working on debris removal we can get the graphic up on the screen we so we started debris removal basically three weeks ago on October 16 when we had our debris management site and trucks being certified so we at that point we've been about 3 weeks debris removal benchmarks typically a storm of this magnitude it takes about 90 days 3 months to pick up all the debris from a storm this scale typically a good Benchmark on how much you can get in a day is about 2,000 cubic yards uh so so that's what we went into it with in the start so the expectations thinking it's probably around Christmas early New Year when it's fully picked up things have gone a whole lot better for debris removal than that so resources available at our Peak we had about 25 units out there picking up at one point we had five of the larger trucks we're a little bit lower than that now we had one one company we put up on the North west side of town we put another company in the southeast side and had them work together and we put City Crews over on the west of the interstate where there was lighter debris and then had them all work towards the center the one company on the Southeast side took two of their trucks and sent them to St Pete for a whole lot more money so that slowed down to Southeast going up one of the things that we prioritized during this process though was what we found in talking to some of the people who had been flooded in Ian there were people had to figure out what to do they were on top of I know how to deal with my house so the the storm debris the construction debris out of the houses was getting put out quicker and we didn't want it to have to sit in people's yards for weeks and weeks so we prioritized the bigger trucks and sent them into the areas where the flooding was and went through and picked up as much of that as fast as we could get it so we realize that's going to require a couple of another passs to pick up some of it as more stuff comes out but we still thought it was the better thing to pick up everything we could as fast as we could in those areas to limit the amount of time that it was there and then the smaller trucks that are out there are out plucking the smaller debris piles and working with them you'll see some unusual stuff because they were're not it's not used to seeing a bunch of F250s and 150s running around picking up debris so some of them were pulling the lighter stuff off the top because they can't get the bigger stuff uh some of them we've had to you know you're dealing with contractors we're trying to get them to pick up all the piles in a methodical manner but we have been able to in 3 weeks get trucks in every part of the city doing something so I think there there probably unless you're in the center area generally where Taylor is between south of Taylor north of Taylor that little circle in there is probably the the least hit so far but everything else has had a substantial amount of of effort in there um we we still running into we're catching contractors who were tell taking money from people to take away the debris and then we're catching them dumping it in the RightWay and and so every we'll clear an area and then new debris will show up that somebody will put out there so that's slow close the process a little bit and there's there's people clearing live you can see green stuff so you know that didn't come from the hurricane um and and we also got Waste Pro out there picking up as well so they'll they'll pick up stuff that's legitimate size as they're going forward I do think this is a testament that the public works department who had to control all these 25 units while they're out there uh they were working off of contracts that we signed we talked about this last time the hurricane Helen had just come through and a lot of the resources and the country were up in the Carolinas and Georgia picking up so we were really concerned at the beginning that we would have a hard time getting debris picked up in a timely manner and I think Tom and his staff have done an outstanding I don't think they they've had maybe two days off since the hurricane total in this period of time they're working 10 12 hour days constantly and he did a really good job of targeting them in areas where we could get the biggest impact as quick as we possibly could so I think that's one thing that's gone well is picking the picking it up and getting it out of here as as we go forward so uh hopefully that's that's positive we we have picked up close to 50,000 cubic yards a little over that right now we had estimated the total about 880,000 cubic yards so we're over halfway there uh one of the news outlets I think it was Spectrum did an analysis of all the cities in the area and the last two we saw we were the highest amount of debris removal of any City and the county so uh again I think the public work staff for everything they've done to get out there and their support from a couple other departments that are helping them get it done uh so so that's the story on debris corre collection if you have any questions on that I'll I'll answer them otherwise I'll go into the next slide glad good so a couple of you to ask about this one of the things that we we heard quite a bit about was you know there's a lot of people that lived here for a long time I haven't been here that long but the the long-term residents have made comments that have lived here for a long time and and I've not seen this level of flooding and people are definitely trying to figure out well why and so we went back a hundred years and so the older data we had to go to the National Weather Service for the the modern stuff comes from our we have a weather station at the Public Works building off Oak and we also have one on the police station and so we went back a hundred years and looked at rain events over time and what we didn't pick up every single rain event what we were looking for is the ones in the ballpark at 10 inches of rain the break you see about 1990 we talked about this last time that that's when the city put modern storm water requirements in effect so at at 1990s we we we started seeing a little bit more storm in that area but we still only Built the systems at it's a generalization it's real complex but the 11 in of rain in 24 hours is generally what those ponds are designed to hold a little bit less they start running off through their they have out out hoses or pipes that take the water out various ways to describe them but essentially like your bathtub has a halfway up the way you've got a little way for the water to get out that happens at about 9 in at about 11 in it starts to to overflow so we put those in effect in the '90s and one of the differences you could see is you can see all these other storms in here and and just looking at going back to Francis which prior to Ian and Milton was probably considered one of the worst storms we had I haven't may maybe there will be people to disagree with me but what I've generally found is that Ian is considered the worst hurricane in Port oranges history and Milton is second to most people now there may be individuals who had trees fall on their house or other damage and the other storms but these were both really bad storms and up until the last four years we hadn't had that amount of rainfall so one of the one of the reasons as to why these are worse is because we have never had that type of storm in the history of the city uh we don't have storm water systems built for that type of storm you can look at this and see it does look like a a pretty dangerous pattern that if if it's going to keep going at that much that's you know you're going to be looking at building to that pattern not building it five to six inches of rain but building a anticipating that 10 in may be a more common occurrence in 24 hours in these storms so we were just wanting people to understand the the pattern that this is a fairly recent phenomenon to have this much rain in that short period of time in the system the system particularly the older areas of the system were not built to handle that amount of rain so as we're moving forward with solutions that we will be talking with you about going over time the solutions are going to be looking at definitely the fact that it may be more common that we're having these stronger storms so that was all I had to go over tonight if you have any other questions I'll be happy to to answer them for you or find somebody that will get staff here as well to help okay it uh you know is also you know the combination there's so many different combinations that's just an examination of the rainfall uh and certainly wind was more of a factor in In This Storm I mean it's amazing how each storm has its own personality Council have any questions for the city manager at this time this time okay all right with that we'll go into the uh city council Town Center CRA joint special meeting uh the council is in recess the CRA and Joint Council is now in session called role for the Town Center CRA Donald Bernett here Drew Bastion here Scott sner here Tracy grebs here Michael Benedict chairman Jonathan Foley here roll call for councel D btan here SC stman here Jonathan Foley here Tracy grbs here Mayor Don Bernett here are there any objections to the notice of meeting hearing none the notice is accepted do I have a motion to approve the minutes from the August 21st 2024 joint special meeting of the city council so moved second we have a motion proper second all in favor signify by saying I I I the minutes are approved with that items C3 and C4 are related so i' would like to open items C3 and C4 to be discussed together by the city council and the city uh and the CRA each item will be voted on by the city council and the CRA with chairman Foley calling for the vote for the CRA and I'll call the vote for the city council um item C3 for consideration is the approval of Third Amendment to the contract of sale of Riverwalk uh property of Bristol Port Orange Partners LLC uh can you read that into the record Mr attorney an ordinance of the city of Port Orange bua County Florida approving the Second Amendment to the river River Yard Master development agreement and conceptual development plan for approximately plus or minus 11 acres generally located at the northeast corner of dun L Avenue and Ridgewood Avenue and including properties located at 3641 Ridgewood Avenue and 3840 Ridgewood Avenue clarifying permitted uses revising the location of public parking revising the multif family parking ratio and updating the conceptual development plan layout providing for conflicting ordinances severability and effective date that is uh we'll need two motions one on behalf of the CRA and one on behalf of the uh Council the CRA motion uh may I have a motion move to approve third amendments Third Amendment to the contract to sale Riverwalk property to Bristol Port Orange Partners LLC and authorizing CRA chair and agency clerk to execute all necessary documents I'll second that we have a motion proper second on behalf of the CRA Council motion move to approve the third amendments to the contract for sale of Riverwalk property to Bristol Port Orange Partners LLC and authorizing mayor and city clerk to execute all necessary documents all right I'll second that we have a motion proper second on behalf of council the other item for consideration item C4 ordinance number 20249 Matt could you read that into the record please an ordinance of the city of porn bu County Florida amending chapter 6 section 6-3 relating to the list of properties exempt from the general prohibition on possession and consumption of alcohol and public property owner control by the city of Port Orange and establishing certain parameters for the consumption thereof providing for codification repeal of conflicting ordinances separability and an effective date on behalf of the CRA may I have a motion move to recommend approval of the proposed Second Amendment to the River Yard Master development agreement as set forth in ordinance number 20 24-19 consistent with the Port Orange Town Center plan has amended and authorizing CRA chair and agency clerk to execute all necessary documents a second have a motion and a proper second on behalf of the CRA on behalf of the council may I have a motion move to approve ordinance number 202 24-19 approving the Second Amendment to the River Yard Master development agreement and authorize mayor and city clerk to execute all necessary documents second we have a motion proper for second on behalf of the council with that uh Wayne who do we have here Tim bman Community Development um basic first of all the Third Amendment to the contract for sale um there's two kind of aspects to this um Amendment first is to extend the um closing date um currently it's SE September middle September 2025 this would extend it to the end of December 2025 so 3 and a half month extension the other aspect is that it establishes a requirement to have the site plan submitted to staff by the end of July for review of 2025 and the third item on that is that it allows for the transfer of three properties that are currently under contract and one that has been purchased by Bristol to the city of Port Orange until they close on the project this basically ensures that the four a Parcels are combined with the Romanian 11 part Acres that we have there to make a better developable site um if Bristol does not close in the property then the city would retain that those parcels and that prisions us for future Redevelopment if needed that we have those four our Parcels then so those are the um three concepts of the sales agreement okay Council comments or questions there being none thank you Tim would anyone here care to speak to the item there being none back to us mayor just one correction the second ordinance block I read is actually for the the next uh item you don't have an ordinance block for that first item which is the agreement itself so just uh pretend that that second ordinance block was read at the next one you got that okay thank you for extending my imagination um I got you uh with that uh any other comments chairman Foley will you call for the vote on the CRA yes for the CRA we have a motion in the proper second on the floor please call the roll on this on C3 C3 on C3 uh Donald Brett yes TR Bastian yes Scott sner yes Tracy grbs yes and chairman Jonathan for yes and you need to announce the vote total 5 okay on behalf of council call the rooll ban yes Scott stillner yes Jonathan Poland yes Tracy grubs yes Mayor Don Bernett yes 5 and for C4 would you uh ask the CRA for a vote Yes for the CRA we have a motion of proper second on the floor for ordinance 20 24-19 the Second Amendment to the River Yard Master development agreement please call the role Donald Bernett yes here Bastion yes yesner yes Tracy grubs yes chairman J Jonathan fer yes and that's a 5 as well and on behalf of council call the rooll Drew Bastion yesner yes Jonathan Foley yes try grubs yes Mayor Don berett yes 5 brings us to C5 first reading of ordinance number 20 24-23 Matt if you'd read that one into the record that's where I'm going to need you to pretend but I can read it again if you'd like I'd like you to an ordinance of the city of Port orang Lu County Florida amending chapter 6 section 6-3 relating to the list of properties exempt from the general prohibition of possession and consumption of alcohol on public property owner control by the city of Port Orange and establishing certain parameters for the consumption thereof providing for codification repeal of conflicting ordinances separability and an effective date on behalf of the CRA do I have a motion move to recommend approval of the proposed ordinance number 202 24-23 consistent with the Fort Orange Town Center plan as amended a second and on behalf of council do I have a motion move to approve ordinance number 202 24-23 approving ordinance number 22 24-23 amending code of ordinances chapter 6 article one on alcohol alcoholic beverages and authorize mayor and city clerk to execute all necessary documents second you're ready to pass I could tell you got you got see you must be the injury you're running a little slow there Tracy with that Wayne who do we have to present on this one in bbman Community Development um over the course of C couple years we've doing a lot of improvements and code amendments to this area to help the economic development of it then this is one thing that has been discussed this would allow for open containers on essentially the concrete and paper pathway in the Riverwalk area there um it would only pertain to the businesses that are adjacent to it then so that would be the future Tiki dos and the interim use that Bristol is putting at the south end of where this um would end in we did look at other Riverwalk areas throughout Florida and Georgia and kind of looked at some of their requirements they had then um basically that you know there will be required specific to go cup that would only be issued by those restaurants on there for that there limited to one drink only the time frame from 11:00 a.m. to 12: midnight then which corresponds with the hours of operations of those um restaurants then and then Al two signage will be installed there to identify people where the limits are on that b so staff is recommending approval okay Council and CRA comments or questions or staff no or any other comments or questions there being none would anyone here care to speak to the item there being none back to us final comments or questions there being none chairman Foley if you do your part yes the C we have a motion and a proper second on the floor for item C4 ordinance 20 24-23 amending code of ordinance chapter 6 article one alcoholic beverages please call the role Donna Bernette yes Dre Bastian yes Scott sner yes Tracy grubs yes chairman Jonathan Fen yes and so 5 there you go nice job on the dramatic pause there for Council we have a motion proper second for item C I'm sorry the C yes is C5 right you got it on my script wrong for item C5 which is ordinance 202 24-23 amending the code of ordinances chapter 6 article one alcoholic be beverages on behalf of council call the role T Bastian yesman yes Jonathan Foley yes Tracy grabs yes Mayor Don Bernett yes by mayor uh when I read mine aloud I said C4 would the attorney like me to redo that vote sc5 for we're good we're good okay you referred to the right ordinance when you read the rest of it all right just making sure he's comfortable with Amen to that there uh any other business come before us uh for the CRA if in there being none The Joint special meeting is adjourned and we resume as councel on the consent a consent agenda items 7 through 10 does anybody have any comment from the public on any uh anything to do with consent agenda items 7 through 10 I think we got one maybe not there being none uh may have a motion for approval of the agenda for the evening so moved second you have a motion proper second all in favor signify by saying I I I the agenda for the evening is approved may I have a motion for the approval of the consent agenda so moved second we have a motion proper second to approve items 7 through 10 on consent uh call the rooll councilman Foley yes councilman grbs yes councilman basan yes vice mayor sner yes mayor Bernett yes by vot brings us to item 11 cops for Christmas program we have a uh where is it wonderful officer officer Wayne Jean where is he hiding he's right there they're pointing at him yep you going to get called out is he there he is there he is hello you got to watch this one he's watching you no I was going to say that's your job so I'm officer Jean with Port Orange Police Department hello everybody um I'm here to speak about cops for Christmas uh this is something that started in 20120 um and has continued each year gradually getting larger um 2020 it was less than 100 children and last year there was 400 children that received a Christmas from CER Christmas C Christmas is a joint effort between Port Orange Police Department and spouses back in the blue um last year although it was 400 children seemed to be the smoothest year we've had so far so we are getting better um this year you know I know there's a lot of of bad stuff that happened to a lot of families homes and stuff through the hurricane and it's a struggle that we all have to go through as Floridians um but I would like to recognize some of the people that and companies that actually make this happen besides the thousands of citizens yeah in por orangs that donate toys through our toy drive um there are a few companies that are always right there with us Walmart if you look at the back of the room there's Walmart employee uh byar um crash recovery Eddie here uh who owns crash recovery the year we gave away a car oh that's right this is the gentleman that donated the car um so we try to do everything within our means to provide everything we can obviously we can't provide Xboxes ps5s stuff like that because at the price that they run at we could help another child so this year we started in June um the packets have already went out to the schools for those who don't know how this works we sent out packets to the schools the school counselors received the packets at that time the school counselors picked the children by picking the children they send the packets home to the parents and if the parents agree to they send in the information and at the bottom of each each page of the child that they have is a list what the kid wishes for this year for Christmas like I said we do everything within our power to get these items Walmart big supporter um Target came on board last year yeah they are a big supporter now um last year there was 27 companies just in Port Orange 27 businesses um that made this very it's a lot of hard work and then right now we have 30 individuals that come to the meetings from June to the time we end they are there Lord have mercy I couldn't do it myself I'm tell you right now it's it's definitely a joint effort between the community the city of Port Orange Police Department Thrive Church everyone that's involved deserves you know recognition for what they're doing sure uh it warms my heart and like I said every time I've came to one of these meetings when the package when we get the list we go out two days and we shop for the children we purchase the items that we can find on the list officers at the PD adopt families members of Thrive Church adopt families last year Walmart management theirself took on uh I believe it was 30 children wow um so the community coming together is what makes cops for Christmas happen this year we've already sent the packets out to the schools we've already got them back and there is a lady with Thrive Church named Jessica she deserves a big thumbs up she actually breaks breaks it all down for each kid what toys they want what they you know they need hygiene products stuff in that manner and then once we go out and purchase it she red do the list to what we don't have so the second time we go shopping we can try and find it then um Port Orange Police Department uh Chief Marino um I know I drive him crazy at times uh with with cops for Christmas but you know the the faith that he has in in not just me but miss Odetta who runs victim's Advocate the people that are backing the coper Christmas event it it is overwhelming overwhelming uh every morning every Christmas morning that we've been doing this I woken up and I have thought to myself you know the children that are getting to open up these gifts that wouldn't have or have as me and that right there in itself is welcome it's it's just warming and I know want get em most now so come you you can do it you can do it um so what we do as we get the we get the list we wrap the toys the people who adopt the families as in Thrive Church members Walmart if they're adopting a family they do not rap the and that's for the safety of the children number one that's that's the number one go is they're getting gifts and it's safe um we wrap the gifts we have a big rapping day uh and then after that we write the kid' name on there and we leave the from part blank because that's for the parent to put on there right you know when I was a kid I didn't I didn't know I didn't know where Christmas was coming from yeah all I knew is my mom busted her butt to get us Christmas you know and I know what it feels like to grow up wanting grow up not having the things other people have or or just missing missing that holiday dinner the Christmas dinner sure not only do we provide Christmas gifts and by we I mean the community of Port Orange of Port Orange to children but we also provide food to every family the victims advocate program has um Crane Lakes that provides food to them and we bag it up and every everybody that does this is volunteer and past the point of getting the list we also open up to a second holiday shop and what that is is for the children for the parents who still need help for their children they didn't make it on the list they call the Port Orange Police Department they call me I mean they've already made my number public anyways so um and they get on the list and what the way that works is the parent comes not the child none of the children and the parent gets to pick out from what we have what they think is best for their children last year each child got approximately 10 Gifts of peace I think about 10 gifts 400 children that's a lot that is the community is amazing and then the 23rd of December last year we piled up several Port Orange Police cars my pickup trip and we went out to the communities in Port Orange on the 23rd the lit up the sirens and lights watched the kids come out a lot of parents wondering what was going on uh um and we started handing out toys to kids to surprise them one of the big things about Coster Christmas is not only giving to the children but it's also bringing back that relationship between law enforcement and the community because that's one thing that's that's missing in a lot of areas and I've I've worked I've served the community of Port Orange April be 14 years and I can say one thing about our citizens in Port orangs they do love their law enforcement and it shows MH um and we also loaded up four South atona Cruisers twice wow and they went out and got to do the same thing with the children in their communities this year we're going to do it again every year it's my goal to to continue doing this and I it's not just me doing it I'm the one that talks about it cuz nobody wants to talk but the community of Port Orange they have a great heart and I've seen it and it's overwhelming you know at times this year I had a lady call me on my phone actually Halloween I spoke to her in May and she she works for a hotel in the shores I want won langage one um and I told her she needed help to call me she's a single mom working her butt off to to keep the electric on the water on and she has a 2-year-old handicapped child she called me this this Halloween and I responded right back to her she's on the list you know that's that's what it's about helping those in need not with toys but with food and that's all I got at this time anybody any questions I have Flyers say Wayne you got to tell people how to reach you so that how can how can they reach you to help you with this uh you can call the Port Orange Police Department uh 50658 um You can call victim's avoc Alice 506 5820 um and we will be able to put you on the list if you haven't made the packets from the school that's not an issue okay I can't guarantee 10 gifts a piece this year I appreciate the fact you didn't give your wife's phone number out so I'm sure she's appreciative that as well she's very appreciative of it but you can also email cops for Christmas 25@gmail.com cops for Christmas 25@gmail.com yes sir all right social media Pages social media page uh spouses back in blue has uh Facebook and we also have Instagram forgive me if I don't get right back to you I'm not a 21 year old I don't know how to use it that well um or I'm pretty sure if you message the Port orangs Police Department's Facebook page we'll we'll get back to you excellent excellent Gan spouses back in the blue also have a website yes so is there information on there as well not at this time okay like I said I'm not good at it I have to call the people who built a website and I tell them what to put on it and then they put it so they've been very generous to me too John's Appliance is another one that's generous nice they donate material so we're able to do this I mean you guys have you guys have built you guys built more than just a a community service you've built a brand and now people people are used to this and they're expecting that I've already had several people and I've also seen it on social media Pap people are asking are they doing this again this year so you built a brand so you and the team and everybody behind that should be incredibly proud because that's not easy um and you've set the bar pretty high um one of the things that I would love to see you guys do I'm just giving you a suggestion not to put more on your plate by the way let us know what we can do to help but I'd love to see this year as you guys are going through the process capture some good good video capture some good pictures and let's work on putting together an annual promotional video that we can utilize and play every year loop loop loop update where it needs to be with the contacts and things like that um because I I I this isn't going anywhere right so this is going to get bigger and bigger this is part of our community fabric now so it's expected and you got an incredible team and I don't I can't imagine anybody in the community not being behind that so just as a suggestion embrace it as a brand and let us know what we can do to help you with the brand and grow the brand but also how we Market that brand we happen to have a a Pio on staff here at the city and and I know the city manager and the whole city staff get behind all this so it's amazing to me that we I don't care where you go to the United States you're going to have that person that uh wants to try to catch you in gotcha moments and got news for you we're all human there's going to be a gotcha moment in anybody's life and and it's tough when those people are getting in your face with a gotcha moment a camera and you're wearing a uniform and a badge and you're trying to do your job to protect us I would like for some of them to get those gotcha moments when you're doing things like this and if I know that they're not going to but if we can help get the word out 99.9% of this community knows what you guys do on the road but most of them don't know things like this that we've got a police force and their spouses and their families because everybody knows uh when a police officer does their job they can't do it without their family behind them 100% they're and and I can tell by the back of the room they're all here that they're behind you guys and they're behind this effort and I want to extend my gratitude not just to you guys but to your spouses as well CH so anything else just outstanding work man love to see it every year love it keeps growing let let us know when packing day is because it's this amazing site and if you guys are available Tracy has a big truck that's some chaos it is it is organized chaos it's wonderful to see and I'm not a great U great gift rapper so I just walk around and kind of like you hand out tape so so they can WRA okay I do all I do all bags man all bags watch it but last year that I I would say there was approximately 200 volunteers yeah that helped us in wrapping giving out gifts handing out the gifts to the to the family in the food so it was very very amazing to see last year at indeed indeed appreciate you doing this Jean on your Flyers um you know making sure that they're in the back for people to take also so people can get them and also make sure I get one so we can post that up on social media for for you too okay yes sir also I'd like to add if if it's not just toy donations we take we take monetary donations and that can be made to spouses back in the blue um every dollar helps there will also be donation donation boxes you do this at home too I can tell I do there will also be donation boxes all around the city at different places like Ritter um there'll be one of Police Department LA Fitness um Five Star Bank um uh Walmart um multiple multiple different places here at City Hall here at City Hall here at City Hall um if you want to drop off a new um uh toy or anything not wrapped not wrapped yes I just didn't want you for unwrapped okay she's see she keeps you straight she does she got your back once again all right Council any other questions I just appreciate what you do and you're the kind of guy that comes up here and you talk about it and you get your word out and you're never looking for recognition and so we're going to recognize you and say thank you and we appreciate you absolutely absolutely great job Community effort sir yes sir we want to thank our speakers officer Wayne Jean and his wife Randy that's while we're up here we're wanting to do as we grow we're wan to try to donate a car every year fortunately we can't do that this year with all the flood neighbor team we don't trust a lot of the vehicles come to our impound and stuff sure but as of November 7th till December 23rd for every toe that uh crash recovery does we're donating $2 for every toe that toe to your organization wow to the bottom line awesome [Applause] y I see it thank you P okay perfect thank you officer J uh public participation uh Jak Johansson somebody I've never heard of before councilman CH your handson Port Orange um I I talked to two of you yesterday uh after the election and it it uh somebody hinted that they only have two meetings left and then it's all over uh I felt I would take a little bit of time to share my appreciation for what you all did for me in 2015 uh three of you were cting council members at the time uh you gave me a chance to come in and be your city manager for a few years uh before I took a a walk to the dark side of elected office but uh uh I appreciate apprciate everything you all did for me what you did for the uh City and for the the two new guys and and Wayne my my old coworker now now this the city manager I appreciate all you've done for this great city um uh every dream I had for this city didn't come true while I was here but I can see well they left but I can see the River Walk portion and other things uh are coming to fruition so I appreciate it and for some of the people that I know behind me are going to speak um probably on on some of the some of the Milton issues that they they said they um experienced uh I know there's always confusion about who owns what be it a road be it a a canal be it some conveyance of water and uh the city says it's the county the county says it's the state the state says not my problem talk to the city and county I share with the folks behind me I'll leave some business cards with the uh with the clerk and if the answer is it's the County's problem and it is the County's problem I'll do some research and get back with you and we'll try to solve the problem at the county if the city and state can't all right so thank you very much gentlemen I appreciate it thank you Jake appreciate [Applause] [Music] you and Christian Johansson are you guys really ated somehow we need combine fores Kristen Johansson Port Orange I'm here representing um our Chamber of Commerce um I sit on our Board of Directors for the Chamber of Commerce and I just wanted to first of all um let you all know that uh this Friday is the final day of our leadership 2025 class and you all have sent quite uh how many this year from Port Orange 21 total but you guys have I think five from Port Orange um so we want to thank you guys for the support every year um it's been a great program you've had some great people participating and we appreciate that um and we invite you all to join us for graduation um next Friday the 15th it's a breakfast so you can go to the chamber website to register for that if you interested interested in attending um over the course of the next month we have our standard activities that we do each month for networking and um and support for each other we have our business after hours on Thursday the 14th at Dignity Memorial we have our free and open to the public coffee and connections on Friday the 22nd and we have our next morning mix and mingle at flagsticks at Cypress Head um on Friday December 6th so and then we'll wrap up our year with our annual banquet on Wednesday um December 11th so we just want to thank you guys for your continued uh relationship we appreciate it thank you thanks thank you Kristen Robert rhagen there he is reboot come on mayor council members Robert rehagen 1425 Dexter Drive North Ford Orange I've been watching a development take place on Williamson Boulevard at Summer Tree across from the Pavilion I believe that they are building an Aldi grocery store there um I've been watching them put in four five fet of of fill and as a result there's only two small Retention Ponds on the northwest and the southwest corner of the property so this is a huge property they're going to put a grocery store and a big parking lot um so um behind this property is a huge Pond but when you go back there behind it uh you're you're in the parking lot area for the coals and the Publix and they have all these drains that feed into that pond so I don't think that Pond's going to help any storm water collection for the uh the new Aldi store so I I have to ask myself you know where's all the storm water they going to go um we we looked at that uh that slide that they previously had up and it indicated that um they have a requirement for collecting 11 in over the 24-hour period 11 in of rain for the entire plot and so you only got these two small things and you got 11 Ines for this huge area and how's it all going to stay in those two small ponds and uh part of my concern is that um these calculations when they're done are done by the the staff the planning staff but this is after development has already been approved and so we as a as a public never get to see how they do this and what I guess what I'm asking you to do is to consider having staff give you a presentation as to what all your their assumptions are how they make their calculations and defend whether these things these assumptions are all adequate given today's circumstances with the increased storm The increased uh amount of water that's the the storms contain and you know just give that sort of look so that you understand that and uh one of the other things I've been I've been looking at this Land Development code and it it hasn't been very helpful but one of the things it does say um it says that no sight alteration shall result in any net reduction of the available flood plane storage and to me that whole property on on the uh the east side or the west side rather of uh Williamson is it was a big great big big huge flood plane and over the years slowly but surely developers chip away at that property and they fill in something here and they fill in something there and so that now um that uh that property no longer is even probably considered a a flood plane and that's of some concern too thank you very much thank you Robert and I've got uh Kenneth Haberman my name is Kenneth hman I live at 4589 Terrace Village Drive or Terrace Village retention Pond if you will I've lived there a few days since uh April 1994 when I moved in there was a dead end retention pond at the end into the street and a plan that the city had to hook it up to some type of dewatering device um the pipe was halfway buried in the easement we watched them complete the project and the water is supposed to go up uh in front of um Brandy Hills into that empty retention Pond my understanding was that for some reason it was able to be uh bored the Overflow from Westport the commercial development across the street from Herbert Street over into the wetlands between Terrace Village Drive and um Sandy Terrace court and this has exacerbated our problem tremendously um my house had inch and a half of rain uh water in it from the retention Pond during uh Ian and by the grace of God we didn't have it it was about to start coming in when the rain stopped from Milton I don't know if there's anything can be done but I have noticed that the retention Pond has never been touched in it of itself I do not know I know there's more land there and dirt that could be removed I don't know if this will help the situation at all but something needs to be done and I just want to make sure I'm getting the right reference here cuz I'm trying to look this right now cuz I see this visually you're talking about the retention pond that's off of ho that's correct okay and what they've done is they've there's a lift station on the corner where the water is picked up from the sewer system because that way it it circumvents a number of regulations and having to deal with the storm water and it is lifted up and pumped out but that dirt area I don't know if it can be expanded if it will even help thank you very much thank you thank you thanks sir I have Joanie Goddard Joie G I live at 3659 Donna Street AC cross from the memorial retention Pond um I was sent here by the people from beaconwood to speak on their behalf because most of them said they could not be here but they want an update on what's going to happen during Ian we all got like 12 to 15 Ines in our house um which we never ever had before the retention Pond was put in we was told there was nowhere for the water to go so I don't understand why they put retention pond in to help drainage if there's no place to go and we never flooded before before and like you said we didn't have that much rain before but we I've been there 35 years we weathered three hurricanes back to back constant rain constant rain where everybody flood we didn't flood so I can't really say these two storms were the most rain because we've had worse storms like said it's just constant for 3 days and solid um so we just want an update they're concerned that the lift stations are not working and and we were I was told two years ago when I was concerned and contacted storm water drainage and the mayor and everybody they said they was getting an engineer to get on the problem and then the last meeting they said that there was going to be carts put in on the street but on Jackson the yeah and the engineer in Oak Street Oak Street is what's really flooded but the engineer they said that that would not really take care the problem so now I like why you put them in they say it's not going to take care of the problem so it's they just want to see if you guys have an update on what the engineer saying or why they're doing that if it's not going to help and if there's a way to even just drain the ponds down before the Hurricanes I have a ditch right in front of my house that's full of water when we don't have a month or two months of rain but it's full because that pond evidently is leaking into that ditch already and it's totally full even with the road when it doesn't rain for a month or two at a time it's just crazy there's a big problem there and all everybody has been emailing everybody's been complaining and not getting anything done so um say do you guys haven't updated all on what they're doing no we'll talk about all that during Council comments so we get everybody's questions thank you thank you thank you and Michael Moore thank you sir thank you sir got you [Applause] gentlemen ladies my name is Michael Moore and I live in the pona neighborhood at 9084 Street um as most of you know that is right next to Metaline Commons um new development that's being built 30 Acres that's been trees wiped out and everything I was here during the talks about mine Commons trying to get them to lower the number of homes from 250 to 150 apparently we got some Headway on that however we found some problems with the development itself um after this hurricane we ended up getting an immense amount of water we got more water than we got with Ian the water went higher up our road higher in our houses and it came up in an incredible astonishing rate I was outside at 2:30 in the morning trying to get water out of my backyard the front yard I could see the road perfectly clear within about 45 minutes the road was covered and the water was already coming up in our house I know it was raining hard I know how fast it was raining I don't need to be told that again I completely understand but the water had nowhere to go and I'm going to tell you a little bit about why that morning when the water got up to its height around high tide the water was still draining the water was already leaving my house when the rain pretty much stopped it was already going out of my house so it was able to drain there was I went in my kayak went down to the drains didn't feel anything in them the drains were still flowing but at a substantially low rate when the water finally receded I went down and started putting the stick in the sand and feeling that there was sand inside all these drains all of our neighborhoods have grass in everything four to about 4T of sand was put into Metaline Commons the drains were packed if if you take a look there's some pictures on here that relate to different areas not only were the drains packed but if you look down some of these ditches I've taken pictures and there are multitudes of trees and other brush all it takes is a piece of plastic to slow that water from draining out as well if you get sand from the beach into your shower what happens stops draining starts backing up if you look on the second page I've done the hard math for you there's some information there about how much sand I saw in the drain I talked to one of the gentlemen Juno over at the city and he said it was 30-in drains that come through our neighborhood there based on this math that's the percentage blocked for at each inch of sand and on the front page you saw there were inches on each thing of sand today I was happy to see they were coming through they were clearing out our drains the guys from the city were out there doing good work and um I I do appreciate that um however I really feel at this point someone needs to contact me we need to have a sit down more than 3 minutes um I completely understand giving the police the 20 minutes for talking about that great program they're doing I'm all for it 100% but somebody here needs to contact me because I've been getting stonewalled and it's getting to the point where it's getting serious okay again please look over this someone please reach out to me uh Reed you're my district somebody please contact me so we can sit down and talk about this in depth before it gets to a escalated State a favor send me an email just with your phone number like just so I so I have it or you can write it down for me thank you very much got it right here I've got it I need the card back but just you copy it from that uh Virginia farnetti thank you sir mayor council P manager um Virginia faretti the woods Green Leaf Square um as you may be aware the subdivision has flooded it's never flooded in 47 years and I got that from my neighbors who have lived there for 47 years they're elderly they can't be here tonight um and I'm not sure why it's flooding now but some of the reasons going around is because the dam at Rose Bay broke in Ian they temporarily fixed it with sandbags 2 years later it's still temporarily fixed with sandbags um other things that seem to be spreading around is that some of the other subdivisions are draining into Spruce Creek and the area of waters around us and they can't handle it um and other uh I don't know if you there rumors or what's being said is that there is um pumps that aren't adequate they're not big enough they're not being used properly they're not being um used when they should so all of these things are are part of it I think the other thing is if you go to the dead end at Trailwood there is uh coverts on five to seven houses and then they stop and then there's a thin ditch on some of the houses and then there's people that filled in the thin ditch so that they could have parking area and this is city property and it shouldn't have been filled in I don't believe but I guess I want to know if that ditch was deep deeper if we had culverts would that make a difference um so I guess my questions for you and and I don't know where to get these answers other than to hear is when can we expect the dam to be fixed properly um and on the culverts and the houses would that help the situation um help the water if it was if there was a bigger ditch if it wasn't um filled in in spots and so forth um and about the pumps are they working L are they big enough are they being used how they need to be and um with all the new building sending everything down to us is that part of the issue also so those are the questions that I would like to see answered thank you thank you Ros malanson hi I'm Ros malanson 566 moon peny circle so I'm here for a little bit different reason but yet not that different um I came before you in about 2006 and the previous mayor had issued this Proclamation um it's an ancient belief that doing good deeds brings good reward rewards and doing evil brings evil returns this is a concept that transcends all cultures in originally from China it's Guided by uh it's Guided by truth compassion and tolerance the practice of fall andava and many would agree that our society desperately needs uplifting Universal values like these now yet people in China who practice Fallen gong have been arrested tortured and killed for their organs for the past 25 years and independent investigators have suggested that the death toll is massive Sir Jeffrey nice the former pers uh prosecutor of the former president of Serbia led the China tribunal in 2019 and concluded that any entity doing business with China in any sector of capacity is doing business with a Criminal entity the US government has passed resolutions HR 343 and Florida legislature has concurrent house memorials 791 and SM 1108 basically I'm coming before you today to tell you not about just these atrocities but also our community is really suffering people feel like they've been left behind um some people are very vulnerable they are you know don't have anybody to help them I have a 96 year-old neighbor who was alone her husband died after the rebuilding of the first house during the first flood so I want to just emphasize one one thing if I can take away this today our city needs truth compassion and tolerance desperately from my understanding without compassion people no longer care about each other without tolerance our neighbors Harbor anger and hatred toward one another without truth lies deception and selfishness permeate the landscape I truly hope that all of you and our community will embrace the fundamental principles of Truth compassion and tolerance if anyone is interested in learning more about falland dafa and the exercises you can go to fallen. org or for the persecution you can go to Fallen info.net thank you thank Youk you and we got Chuck Helman [Applause] hi Chuck Helman uh sugar Force 823 Sugar House Boulevard and yes we flooded twice now and that's not my that's why I'm not here now we had a hoarder that lived across the street 828 you all know him he's coming back yep slowly but surely C forsman has been been formed and they're driving around more and more I'm sure the police department will not be happy that he's coming back I'm sure the fire department would not be happy that he's coming back no way but uh you know before the only reason why he's gone now is because he burned down four houses one was his own two of them were single moms and the two single moms had moved three times in the last two years because of this man he was over there today he's bringing plants in so what happens after he brings the plants in you know why he's bringing the plants in because he needs a a place to hide when he wants to go to the bathroom CU he doesn't have indoor plumbing or outdoor Plumbing his outdoor Plumbing is a bucket or in a bush that we have to look at so I'm just letting Co I'm letting the city know the county know that do something this time before we looked at them for over 10 years before he burned himself down and then even when he burned himself down he still lived there yeah so we are you know it's bad enough that our property has gone down in value because of two floods in two years and now it's going down because of he's back there's got to be there's got to be something I I mean he's got all these spines against him or that's what I hear I don't think he's paying anything the people on the the people on on on both ends they got letters from code enforcement that they had to mow their grass and keep up their you know and trim their bushes whatever and then he just comes in and Parks his vehicles and they're not nice Vehicles this is this is the eyore and he told me before don't look at it what am I supposed to do walk out of my house backwards I mean you know yes he has rights but I don't want my to only have to look left so I don't have to look his way got so I'm just bringing it to your attention hopefully code enforcement group will be around more hopefully the police department will be around more and fire department can just drive around you know just let them know that we're here all right thank you thank you and we got Tammy groso and Michael Samson hi good evening I'm Tammy this is my husband Mike we were here four weeks ago or three weeks ago after Milton of course I want to say again for the record I bought my house 25 years ago in 99 in 2000 and FL we flooded I showed my butt here I did show out a little bit it was on video there is no drainage in this specific area of Port Orange that we're talking about it is the lift station 19 I emailed today mayor I emailed this to you you forwarded it to the city manager I want everybody to have this I have questions about lift station 19 that specific area not all of Port Orange I realize that there is some drainage issues in Port Orange and you guys are working on that from what I hear a 7 to 10e plan there is no plan for this pump station 19 area it has been a problem for over 20 years that I've lived here I heard today I don't know if this is true or not that the pump was put in in the 70s that can't be true right one pump in all these years but not only that I'm the child of an engineer so I have questions now where is this so-called pump I've never seen it I've lived in the area 25 years when was it installed was it the 70s it can't possibly be the same pump that's 50 years old right how much water is it expected to divert is it capable of handling these bigger storms if not why wasn't another pump installed as the impending storm came how is the pump maintained is somebody sent a check on it is there like a crew in charge of the maintenance of that specific pump since this is the only thing I have to save my little area could I go check on it could I start a crew is it gas battery generator I'm I'm shocked but somebody I think told me today that it was WiFi I can't get Wi-Fi to work at my house how do we have a pump that runs on Wi-Fi why did it fail if the pump failed which is what happened pump 19 lift station failed during Ian and failed during Milton why did it fail was it the Wi-Fi and why is there only one pump I'm still blown away that an engineer any engineer I'm sure it wasn't you sir I'm sorry about last time I went off three weeks ago you were not the engineer here 20 years ago obviously but an engineer came up with the consensus that this was acceptable one pump for this area also I I have a ton of other questions there's 150 home subdivision like this gentleman was saying the drone company being built two blocks away why would you put a new subdivision in an area that already has no infrastructure that rise in ground level is causing the water to come even more so where my house didn't flood all these years it's now 6 in higher and is flooding please read what I sent you sir please read I have questions I want you to stop the build stop that 150 home subdivision from going in it will save us put a retention Pond there there okay Amanda did I have any more uh we just had one drop off okay and Lorraine Becker good evening here we are again today I'd like to talk about Hazard mitigation I think that's the direction that we're going now since we all realize that we need to save our communities from flooding so I live in the community around sugar Forest which between mine and Herbert it has been a hot topic of discussion regarding Flooding at least 30 or more houses flooded back there include mine and the problem that I see and I'd like to offer a solution is we we are at the top of the chain for the drainage we have the Sugar Plum Pond which flows into a ditch behind sugar Forest then it comes down Nixon lane and then it goes into the Nix Lane Pond and then from there it drains over to Mr Moore's community over there which continues to flood the Herbert Street area and then goes to the outflow at Halifax River so I spoke with uh Juno at engineering at length try and get some understanding of this and it appears that that ditch that has been in question for at least two years now is a defunct HOA ditch built by Sugar Forest so it's private easement so it's up to us as homeowners to try and keep it clean that ditch is full let me tell you we have had trees fall on that ditch nothing is moving back there in terms of water from the sugar Pond the Sugar Plum Pond now the City built sugar plum Pond and the City built Nixon Lane Pond but you decided it's okay to use the ditch that runs from one Pond to the other that's okay you're going to use that to blow the water but you're not going to clean it okay because now it's private easement again so why don't we consider take it eminent domain take the ditch do something to help relieve the 30 homes that are flooding back there 30 at least do you know one of the homes just one that I know of is on the buyout list now okay on the buyout list that house 320,000 appraisal PRI storm 320,000 do you think that we can clean a ditch for 320,000 I think it's worth that much rather than 30 homes flooding and you perhaps end up with 10 homes on the buyout list so let's just try and not reinvent the wheel here let's take something that's already there it's a ditch it's flowing from your pond to the next Pond Main maintain it please try to do something to help relieve the water I literally watch the water come to the top of the ditch and flow right into my house twice now 2 and 1/2 ft the first time foot and a half the second time this never used to happen but now we are desperate to have these ditches clean I've asked I've talked about it once before many homeowners in Sugar Forest are desperate for this clean out okay it's just one of the solutions eminent domain you can have my ditch okay just do something with it to help all of us in the community it is not worth the buyout that the city is trying to do okay thank you thank FL uh Council comments first of all I want to say um to all the speakers you'll be hearing conversation between Council and staff here uh some of the things that will get discussed some of the things won't that's just the nature of things sometimes when you have stream oflow of Consciousness we'll be here afterwards so if there something you want to know more about we'll be here afterwards so uh Wayne will stay here till midnight if he has to which means his staff can't leave s s i i joke a little bit because I have to but seriously we if you want to hang afterwards and have conversations we'll be here so with that Council comments uh let's start with Drew this time well as I mean we the last meeting all this was discussed and it just keeps pouring in and there isn't a fast solution we have an engineer here who is almost completed a storm water plan that's in the works and then there will be an action plan drawn up with that and a lot of it still has to be funded and so things are happening it it is going to move slow because that's it there's not an overnight solution um you know we met with uh I met with Wayne and and Robin on Tuesday um and we saw a brief presentation with the storm totals and everything and uh he you know we got more information is the the amount of water and and the things that can hold and and it's just astronomical if you have something that's designed for 11 in of rainwater in 24 hours and you get 20 in or 15 in and way less than that where do you put that water um so the the fix obviously is going to move slow but the storm water plan is in the works he's been working on it since he got here almost two years ago right or or just at two years ago um we're very active in Tallahassee we've been pretty successful in getting money year after year we kind of got shut out a little bit last year but I I know the new will be up there and Robin and Wayne and they'll be fighting and lobbying for more money so we can address more issues um so I I I know it's hard to do but be paid patient and if there is a maintenance issue that the city can do they're going to prioritize those and go out and look at them and do those um progress is happening but again we have to ask for your patience and I know that's very hard to look you in the face and say be patient when bad things are happening but I I said myself I don't know what the fixes but we have an engineer who's working on a plan to help address it and perhaps uh you it's not just him he's given a lot of feedback to the firm we've subcontracted out and so and the the state and the county everybody's going to look at that and a plan and see and I mean I don't know I I know the Nova Canal is a is a big issue and it was designed decades and decades ago and there's it's not an issue it's a disaster yeah and and short of a couple of outfalls um I I believe the one one what did we say Wayne the the one or the two that could were identified that could be in our area were s in excess of $70 million just for the two and the that's in our area South Daytona has one that ends right at the river and it doesn't go out into the river so that water when the water high tide and those King tiddes when that comes up in the surge there you can't put water into water so um those fixes that probably should have been addressed Years Ago by the other cities Daytona has what one right or Holly Hill has one and South South Daytona has a one and the engineer I believe you told me recommended at least six and so other cities are going to have to step up and try to get some of that water moving out towards the River from the Nova Canal but again that's a huge undertaking and a huge task and we can't the water that we're taking in we can't force them to not send it our way that's the way it's designed and unfortunately going out into the bay is it comes from the north and comes down and goes out that way so I you know that that fix is going to take a lot of cooperation from a lot of different entities I I guess I'll leave it at that you also have title surge factors pushing back all those things can go on and on yeah making excuses but all those things it it it's hard to get Engineers will be definitely be earning their pay yes sir the other component of that is the vulnerability study which that's happening too is also happening which will make us eligible for a lot of State dollars for assistance what else you got that's it it can't move quick enough for me no kidding right let me go to Reed oh boy I can spend a lot of time here well first off um I want to say that hindsight is always 2020 three weeks ago I wasn't here physically present I obviously was watching the entire meeting virtually um I had some residents emailing me throughout the meeting was conversing with staff but um I do want to apologize I wish I would have had the hindsight to have written something into the record explaining why I couldn't be here physically um and so I do apologize for that um that was something that bothered me like I said hindsight's always 2020 but I'm definitely mature enough to admit when I could have done something better and I wish I would have done that uh with that being said um a lot of really good questions uh Wayne actually wanted to Echo some of these that were asked from residents uh tonight first off um do we have a timeline on the levy wall where we're at with that the Cambridge improvements right the Cambridge the Cambridge project is the the temporary fix that's in there now went in after Nicole when when the wall it was basically a burm wall so the Cambridge Pond was built standard storm 11in rain storm with those three large pumps and it worked as designed it it didn't work to stop 20 Ines of rain from Ian but it it did what it was supposed to do it just wasn't built for that it was not sufficient for 20 inches of rain so when Nicole over topped it and the wall broke the the P the bags of Super Sacks were put in as a temporary measure to we could find a way to rebuild it to make it work for harder stronger storms so as we were working on that solution obviously another storm came before we could get there it is under design right now it is about 50% designed uh the solution brings the wall so so where the Super Sacks are now that was the northern edge of the burm wall the pumps pumped into the front side of the burm wall and then out into the marsh to the north that that's what failed the ball when the wall went down so this the permanent solution is to build a wall on the North side that is the same height is the railroad tracks and the railroad tracks have been there for a long time and and you know I I haven't lived here 40 50 years like everybody but what I understand is that those railroad tracks have never been over topped by storm coming in off Rose Bay and so the height of the northern wall and the height of the railroad tracks will form a wall that blocks both sides and the pump instead of pumping North into the Marsh which is where the entire Nova Canal empties out so if you look at the map Nova comes under the road into the marsh and it's coming south into the same area we were pumping North and that water all has to turn East and go under the railroad tracks to get out so what we're looking to do now is to pump that water directly east under the railroad tracks and out to the marsh on the other side where it's not competing with the Nova water coming down and it's not competing with trying to squeeze through the open a areas under the railroad tracks so that's what's under design in order to get that done it requires a core of engineers permits there's a federal permit St John's permit and the railroad has to authorize it so we've had preliminary conversations with all agencies involved at the 50% level of the design we don't have any indication we will have problems getting it permitted so at 50% design normal normal Pace it would be finished with design permitted and ready to be bid for construction in the fall of next year construction then taking about a year that's and I don't want to overpromise anything because we can't make the core of engineers give us that permit we can't we can't force that timeline we will do everything we can to get those permits faster and have it done sooner and under construction but it will not be finished by hurricane season next year it will be the following Year's hurricane season before it will be done uh the engineers who have come up with the plans and have reviewed the plans believe that it will work and do what it's supposed to do for Hurricane level strength storms so it I think the idea of pumping the water to the East and not competing with that North is going to be a big thing and then building that wall higher on the North side because what we kept running into is that the original design that was built off of the 2004 storm so they're looking at you know 8 n inches of rain in 24 hours build it to 11 the pump would just pump the water out into the Rising tide it would just turn around and push it right back into the lake so it was just circling the water around it if the if the pump can't get it out it really doesn't do you any good to keep circling it and I think the volume of rain is critical here because it the the wall broke in the coal and we had water get into the streets but we didn't have water flood people because it was a 6 inch or so worth of rain you know we had no wall there at all and and it didn't flood the houses because it was less rain if we'd had 20 Ines of rain into coal that would have been a big problem so it's it's it's being built to to avoid what appears to be a design challenge of the original model which is was that Northern pump where where you're just really limited by the rising tides and so that's should be bid under construction this time next year finished by the following hurricane season and what year was the first one built it was it started after the' 04 storms I think they completed it in ' 07 okay and and so I remember you and I had a lot of conversations um storm water master plan we're we're two years into building this and and we're going to have it complete soon I know we're we're well over 75 80% done with that if not more um so I I I like hearing these improvements I I appreciate the honesty too um so I don't I don't know if you guys know this I know that they know this I flooded again this is this is two consecutive times where I have had 8 inches of water in my house so it's really hard for me as as know it is for you guys to sit here and hear things that we don't want to hear that that Solutions take time and that they take money and they take permits and you know I want a solution now and I know they I know that you guys do too it's um extremely frustrating but I know you're telling me the truth and I know you're being honest with me and I'd rather you do that than sit here and say that it's going to be sooner and us not be able to do that because the last thing I want to feel like is that the information is not reliable so I appreciate that um a great deal um to the lift station 19 conversation um I understand that that there may be some complete misinformation as to what we're looking at because the only thing I know about over there is a sewer lift station not storm water sewage and not drainage right right could you speak to that a little bit there are and and you you guys know that Robin's assistant manager runs the team of our field staff that goes out and talks to people and talk and several people have mentioned they've already talked to Juno know for those of you had he's a very thoughtful you know he's he's very intelligent knows what he's doing he's also very thoughtful on the phone he he has empathy for the people he's talking to um so they're going to need to get out there and talk because there there are issues in that area that they want to talk to the people about but when we started trying to determine what was being described as lift station 19 there is a a sewer lift station in the area that is number 19 and and so that works with the wastewater treatment process where gravity put puts it in there it gets into that pump and it gets pumped to the treatment plant it is not part of the storm water drainage system at all but but I don't want to that just may be the wrong name what it doesn't mean that they don't have problems they don't have issues that we can work on with drainage in the area I don't know that the sewer lift station in the area is related to it but there may be other issues so when they get out there and they start talking about what causes the flooding they're they're all in the same issue with the Nova Canal when when we analyze that the two largest areas that flood are off the Nova Canal drainage basin and off the Cambridge Basin there's probably a little bit more than double maybe 2/3 more homes that flood out of Nova then off of Cambridge um so Nova is is if you look at the map of where all the damage is it both of them are bad one of them is is really bad so the storm water master plan and you'd ask about the timing on that so what we did is we we had kimley horn who is a major national engineering firm that does a lot of drainage work come in and model the entire city and then their focus and priority is finding areas where water gets into houses into buildings and to find solutions to keep the water from getting into buildings infrastructure is next you know the the I think as long as we can keep it out people's house we'll work on keeping the road from having water in it after we worry about people's houses so the the they went in and found the areas where we had the largest number of homes that had been impacted by storms and then they they ran tests like okay let's say we got 10 in of rain what happens if you take this pipe that's there that's 4 ft and make it 8T does it help if that doesn't work well what happens if you make it 12T did that work no what if you put a pump on it does that work so there they're where we're at now is these areas where they're identifying they're in the process of going through all these potential Solutions in these key areas and determining which solution has the actual beneficial impact sometimes it's the cheaper one it may be widen a ditch a little bit or put another pipe in sometimes it's not sometimes it's expensive and it's a giant pipe but they're they're in the process now analyzing all those potential Solutions in those areas and coming back to say okay in this area these are the things that are going to make the biggest difference and then this is how many houses it could be positively impacted by it and then you going to be able to rank them so you'll be able to prioritize like if you do this one it'll help 500 houses if you do this it helps 100 houses so you'll be able to see the level of them with a cost estimate and it'll allow us to make decisions as we go forward with construction projects saying some of them may be you know it may be number six on the list of value overall but it's something we can go do right away and there may be another one that's going to take 10 years because we've got to get dot to give us the RightWay to build a giant pipe through their RightWay and that one may have the bigger impact so we we haven't reached that point but they are I would say they're at the 90% done on that master plan that started immediately after Ian when we put the team together that's here today to to do that and and it will it will help tremendously be able to show people what we're trying to do make a difference and like you said I'd like to be able to say we can get those things done instantly but they're going to have to be designed and permitted and definitive list of projects and definitive list of actions is going to be a product of that storm water management plan correct all right and that will then open up the funding sources because when you go to get grants they always ask do you have a plan and can you show us how it works in the plan we want to make sure that if you're doing this you've got a plan and you can show that it's actually going to have an impact so the the resilient Florida dollars that you talked about and all the state funding and all the other dollars that are out there we end up scoring way higher on the ability to get all this money by having a plan that shows how effective they are in conjunction with the vulnerability study yes keep going Reed no absolutely I just I I appreciate that information as well I just want to get this stuff out where people can truly understand it because I know I don't want to hear about how hard it rained and I I don't want to hear about this you know all the different reasons at this point but I know I have to it's not what I want to hear it's what I need to hear so that as as sitting in this seat with my counterparts here that we can make good decisions that we can go to Tallahassee and advocate for dollars and you're right I mean if there's one thing I've learned since I've been on Counsel since 21 is that when we go up there with shovel ready ready projects it seems to work out a lot better for us um but you know I um I appreciate all the information I I just want to keep seeing more of it and um think I think I'll let for now I'm good uh oh well one more thing I just want to make sure I do say thank you to staff because I know ahead of Dearing and after the hurricane that these guys have worked extremely hard I know we had Publix Works people out non-stop working 12 hour days and the days leading up clearing things and I know that doesn't mean we got it all but I know how hard they worked leading up to the storm I know how hard they've worked during and after and I want to make sure that that's not lost CU I know that we have an amazing group of people here with really good hearts and intentions and and work ethics so I I know we have some really good people in the building and I want to make sure that I acknowledge that because I don't want them to get discouraged because I know that they are doing their best I really wholeheartedly believe that um I've had a lot of conversations with fellow neighbors of mine and while we're obviously not happy that we're once again going through this you know for a second time we're still thankful for the people who are doing their best to work to improve the situation going forward so I want to make sure that I get out get that out as well Scott well I think a lot of guess what I was going to comment on kind of got covered I just want to touch real quick on a couple of things I apologize for kind of jumping around on this um the the Cambridge Basin that the city manager is talking about um the one resident I think who who who was talking and I may up this wrong so I apologize so I do was referring to the woods subdivision and indicating that the wood subdivision had never flooded that's just that's not accurate the wood subdivision absolutely flooded significantly in 2004 which wasn't the first time it had flooded and it led to that was the reason why the station was built right it led to FEMA dollars which purchased a lot of those homes in those areas because they had looked at this and said this is an area that we don't think can ever be completely prevented from flooding so that that information that's out there is just not accurate that did lead to the project itself that didn't used to be there um which is that which we we refer to as the Cambridge Basin project and that project the scope of that project as it was being designed looked at the Historical perspective which is kind of like what the city manager was was was was talking about earlier because I think at some point when you're looking at projects you have to look at a project and go okay what are we trying to defend against are we defending against 5 inches of rain 10 15 20 30 what is it and and of course the more you're trying to do the more cost and you got to have projects that are that are that are realistic and feasible so they looked at this was before my time by the way but they looked at those historical numbers and those perspectives and they looked at a period of time and I even have gone back and done a lot of research myself in the last few weeks because I really want to see that as well and so you look when people say cuz I was born and raised here so I've been here 55 years but but when people say I've lived here for 30 years we've had a lot of Storms and my house never flooded true that's true a lot of those storms bring a lot of wind problems and a little bit of rain uh most on average from what I saw conservatively somewhere between about 3 to 6 Ines of rain is what most hurricanes bring some bring even less than that they just bring a lot of wind these the this pattern of storms that we have seen in the last few years not only in Port Orange but just across the State of Florida that are coming across and out of the gulf hit the Gulf side hard with Storm surges and wind but then they get to the to the east side of the state and it's major wind I'm sorry major rain impacts that historically have not been something that communities along the east coast of the entire State have had to engineer and try to defend against so that's what we're trying to catch up to and when I've had some conversations with Engineers the city manager and and and how the state and all the government entities are involved look at projects and come up with a number whether that number was you know 4 Ines of rainfall and 24 hours or eight it's gone up over the years I think if we look at the pattern of storms that have impacted our state collectively over that last 10 years those numbers have got to go up that in that that perspective has got to go up that mindsets got to go up that's not a number we set but it is something we're trying to fight against so the the Cambridge Basin project in after the storms of 2004 was constructed and built in 2007 it was not designed to handle the rainfall amounts that we have seen in the last three years because nobody had ever seen those rainfall amounts in here so right wrong or indifferent that's just how we got to that so that that project is has been underd designed it was some I had several residents say well you haven't done anything since then that that's just it's just in that's not true that's wrong we the we have looked at that project and said okay let's just don't patch it back up cuz putting it back the way it was isn't going to H help when we get another massive rainfall nobody thought we would get it in two years because we hadn't seen it in 50 but we did but the idea on that now is to improve that significantly so that it will be able to perform significantly better than its original design that process which is the city manager was just speaking about in the Engineering Process it is not something that can move extremely fast because there's a lot of governmental agencies involved in that if it were just up to us and we just had money we would already be about there doing it right but when you're dealing with the Army Corps of Engineers Department of Environmental Protection uh St John's Water Management District it's all going to take time and then the funding aspect of it is incredibly important as a side note to that I just want to say I I feel that last night the elections across our state particularly can work in our favor I think I hope uh uh that we can continue to be successful and maybe more successful as a region going to Tallahassee and fighting for State dollars to bring back for some of these really large scale projects it's going to take that that has to happen you cannot do projects without money so we got to go up there and continue to do that I'll get off that part um somebody also touched on a base again I I I I apologize that I'm kind of jumping around here and I do want to compliment Juno and I'm glad you brought that up and I do want to you know we the city manager offered folks that want to really kind of get more into the details and the technical aspects of some of the stuff and how our systems work and what we can and can't do um I highly encourage you to still at you know Robie can sticker hand in the air um reach out to them they will set that up they will get out they will have those convers ation with you those have gone extremely well so I encourage that um we also learn things ourselves from those conversations very much so no doubt absolutely um somebody had talked about the beacon Woods area extremely familiar with the beacon Woods area it is a it is an example and as I say this I'm not making an excuse but you know I'm just pointing it out as something that creates a significant challenge the beaconwood subdivision was built back in the' 70s the the standards the flood mitigation storm water standards didn't exist it didn't exist that subdivision today if you Google Earth it and you look at it you're going to notice there are no Retention Ponds there's not one in the whole subdivision because they weren't required that Memorial Park retention thing was added later didn't have anything to do with the beacon Woods development so if you look at that subdivision you could not build that subdivision today you couldn't build it it would it would look a lot more like what you see in the subdivisions that have been built since the 2000s where there's Retention Ponds everywhere the the neighborhood that I live in there's 21 Retention Ponds in the neighborhood CU that's what was required in order for them to retain that much water so the these older areas are the these are Big challenges and we're not we're not going to shy away from the challenges we got to figure them out and and and you know there's not a space there for us to go in and go well let's put a 4 acre retention pond in Beacon woods so we got to figure out other kinds of designs because that space doesn't exist it's all homes I as we the majority is what I'm talking about but the majority of that particular area up and down that NOA Corridor in my opinion based on a lot of what I'm seeing is largely largely impacted by the Nova Canal system totally different system um I I think that's going to take a really big Regional collaboration I think that that is going to occur um a lot of communities to the north of us I think that they they have had discussions and ideas to resolve some of their flooding issues just to put more money more pump water more into the Nova Canal system the problem with that is it's all coming south right so we talked about that a little bit last time even faster and it comes fast because they use pumps and so everything's got to go out of Pont Inlet which means Daytona's got to send it South South Daytona's got to send it South it comes into Port Orange and there's there in lies because we're at the bottom of the funnel um so we really need to work hard with our regional Partners at lots of lots of levels of government the ideas are there the concepts are there we we just need to work towards getting the engineering and the design better outfalls to move those water to keep those Canal systems from overflowing because I that's essentially what's happening I've I've worked in my previous career and I've been in that area and I've watched water that will come out of the canal and when it does it is it is wide open like Lori Becker talked about it is wide open to the Topography of the land and when it comes out out of that Canal system it flows at a southeasterly direction through neighborhoods through streets through Retention Ponds things like that we that's that's a big fix that's got to be undertaken there and that is going to take time and and just cleaning the Nova Canal system is not going to get it done that's going to take a a lot of work there but that's that's what we got to do we will work on that and then someone had mentioned uh in the pona area which is which is another big challenge but I I I I appreciate the comments I quite honestly do and there's a resident down there that I communicate with quite a bit and uh and and she's got a ditch right by her house and we've been talking and she's like the water's still in the ditch it's not going anywhere and I said that's right because the groundwater is still so high you can't dig a ditch deeper to make it hold more water it doesn't work that way once you're into the groundwater which might in some cases only be a foot and a half under the surface of the of the dirt that's it you can't dig it any deeper than that it's one of the challenges we have with our Retention Ponds when people say We'll pump the pond out weeks before or days before the storm gets here well you can't because the groundw fills it back up and so if you've ever been to the beach and you dig a hole and you're digging and then all of a sudden water's coming up through the hole that's kind of what's Happening further Inland and maybe not quite as shallow but that's a big Challenge and so cleaning ditches is a big thing we we need to stay on top of that we can get better on that um retention pond maintenance all that good kind of stuff is all good but there there's a lot of limits to that because of we are a Coastal Community there is a lot of low low Ling areas some of the neighborhoods that I've been out into recently they their their driveways sit at no more than maybe 2 feet above sea level it's these are lowlevel areas and so they do present challenges um we we got it we're on board I mean these projects this storm water management projects these AB in the works um they've been going through the Engineering Process not because of this storm but way before and and they're going to continue to take those and and hopefully we can get up to Tallahassee in just a few short months and Advocate our butts off to try to get some dollars to move these project timelines because if I don't know if anybody has that's here tonight has come to some of the workshops that we've already had prior to these storms and looked at these timelines and looked at the projections and the plans and the details and the technical aspects we've got some great projects ready to go we got to generate the funding we got to get the funding from from uh from somewhere it's got to and a lot of it's got to come from the state just to be honest so and they have programs they have plans and we've already had this conversation and just one uh so on another note I just want to mention I appreciate the uh what the uh cops of Christmas program is all about I also want to just touch uh for those that are watching and listening um there's another organization we mentioned it the other day I'm trying to pull it up here real quick I apologize the valua basket Brigade um they are they are now uh they're looking to do 4,500 baskets for Thanksgiving so that one's closer and right around the corner if anybody knows families or wants to nominate uh families this is an incredible organization year after year after year gets bigger bigger and bigger um it is vucha basket brigade.com is their website uh they've also got a social media page Vala vucha basket Brigade um if you want to donate food items baskets help with delivery they need drivers they need people to show up on the day that they do the delivery and put stuff in cars it is a phenomenal organization I know a lot of people are familiar with it they've built an incredible brand themselves but just know that that is in full swing so if you want to help out or if you know somebody in need that's a great opportunity good stuff go ahead thank you all right Tracy your turn well uh got four key things that I need to go over first is uh uh sorry I was not here on the last meeting uh wasn't my intent to have an oak tree decide to destroy my knee uh during that meeting I was don't do that again please uh I was laid up in the hospital for about 12 days I laid there so I I do apologize um you having me here that night would have been would have been bad being drugged up you would have not wanted to seen that my wife didn't want to see that um but uh saying that uh when you're laying there in the hospital for two weeks it allows you to get a full circle of watching what happened on that commission meeting taking notes sitting down figuring things out um very clearly on a couple of items uh the first one was right off the bat was me and Wayne have talked about this and uh deals with a possibility of a standard operating procedure change uh dealing with sidewalks when we have a an emergency situation and we have road debris that needs to be cleared to allow our emergency vehicles through they go and chop that at the road base and push it into the easement now it doesn't seem like a big deal but I just want you to think seven more feet just for a second seven more feet is cutting the sidewalk back back and pushing that debris the same amount of debris other than 7t of it and pushing it into the easement what that does is it does two things it allows the city to still be functional and have an emergency response but it also allows the community to move about on sidewalks because you know we had we had Milton come through and it just wrecked everything and in that process we were trying to get the city up and running and one of the major to-dos that that I I looked at because I had two citizens reach out to me and ask me when are the sidewalks going to get cleared and I went what are you talking about he says school starts back in a couple days what are you going to do for the kids oh okay so here we are uh clearing sidewalks with a team of Citizen volunteers from Port Orange uh to make sure kids have safe passageway going back to school that's what the injury was caused from had nothing to do with the city it was just a group of citizens doing good deeds to make sure that we were taking care of the kids um so my question is to to Wayne as city manager what is the SOP and can it be modified enough to make sure that schools sidewalks aren't impacted plus the savings of the money we're not having to go back a second time to recut so in the the heat of the storm the key is to get the street cleared so fire trucks ambulances police cars can can get down there so that that's generally what they do is cut at the edge of the street and push uh we started doing some look after the questions to be sure there are three or four of our schools that are actually on streets that are owned by Port Orange so we have control so some of them we don't own the road so we can't go on dun Lon and push off dun Lon but on the streets that we have um we we will preset those areas to the drivers so that they know can they do it one of the other challenges we have is we can't shove our stuff into private property I mean there's in an emergency there's a little more flexibility but it's not a good practice to say shove it outside the right away you're you're trying to keep it on your own property but I think that we can modify it so that we can do stuff in those areas because I certainly understand when I was talking to you particularly Spruce Creek Road and and Taylor which is county but th those roads were um there's two schools on there the high school and the elementary school so that affects a lot of people and there's a lot of Taylor Road or Spruce Creek Road right away on the outside so we're going to work on something if that's what council wants us to do we're going to work on something to have that be part of the initial push in in those areas that where where we can do it and where we have right away to get it there that along with keeping trees from falling on Tracy's leg I think we would be some big benefits to that they did a tremendous amount I mean if you saw the amount they got to ahead of time I mean he he they they almost single-handedly covered that whole area I was just glad you were highly productive before the tree landed on your before yeah and cuz schools started back I mean we were we were still in heavy recovery mode and we had kids going back to school on Tuesday and they had cleared that whole area what else uh so being out there on the roads and uh seeing it firsthand we were out literally after Milton passed uh we had teams volunteering uh helping out so we we saw the flooding firsthand I don't I don't know what people think sometimes but when people's homes and roads are flooded driving down those streets there's just not clean words for me to say people just need to have an ideal of what the hell you're you're waking water in people's homes and I don't know how many times I saw it I may not have been the the best citizen at that point because I was parking my truck in the middle of the road to make sure they slowed down and stopped to have conversations with the individuals not saying for y'all to do that that's just my personality but it's one of those things that you have to take the proactive approach to understand what you're doing with your vehicle roads are flooded stay off of them people are trying to get around and save what they have for their homes quit making it worse and while I was out there uh doing this seeing firsthand fire department Police Department Public Works everybody that was prepping for the storm now the storm has passed and they are out there working thank you I mean I can't stretch that enough thank you we had one truck roll up on us when we were chainsawing and wanted to know what we were doing and I smiled and waved and says move on because we had already had the conversation earlier um with the city but that's that brings up some of the concerns that I have and when you get there to sit and you you have times on your hand and it's being able to write this out make sure it's said right it's we're supposed to learn from Life events not talking about my leg it's if not history tends to repeat itself and I think all of us would agree upon that dealing with recent events we need to analyze what has happened and what we can learn from it which is what you you've been hearing from not Council but from all the staff from the city analyzing and trying to figure out how to mitigate and fix what is going on three parts to this part one is the history of water now the history of water Robin you have that slide just want to touch on one slide here they gave this to me in the hospital and I was looking at it and it's it's a major thing I mean history of water that they put together is over 104 years of History we had 15 Ines of rain the last time we had 15 Ines of rain was literally 1924 and I know I'm I'm going to walk through but as we as we we go through that and we look at that history of rain and being a 100 years since we had that event that means Ian two years ago was 20 in of rain and everybody's had all this talk about rain and water and and what's happening we've had two major events in the last two years and the last time we had something like this was over a hundred years it's downright scary 100e events and two years back to back what scared about that event when you look at it up there is that 15 in that we had for Milton and the peak of the storm and I was that guy too I was sitting there in my house midnight 1:00 in the morning shining a flashlight out and going Oh look The Street's still dry that's awesome and then 3:00 hit and for two hours was the bulk of the storm the bulk of the storm was registered at 8 in is we took half of the water in a 2hour period now I don't know about you but I'm I'm not a betting man but if you have that much water and you're trying to pour it in a bucket it's going to spill out but we took 8 Ines of water in a 2hour period what did our surrounding areas take and then the surrounding area water flows to us so we not only got 8 in of water we got the Sur grounding areas of water flowing to us with our 8 in in a 2hour period That's a polite way of saying that we had a small dam let loose flooding across Port Orange 24-hour period 15 in going along with what Scott said earlier is understanding the Land Development code this is a 100-year period so I'm going to shorten it up to a 50-year period 1970 let's start with that date and go okay what was the Land Development code nothing zero code for building it was up to the general contractor the residential contractor to deem what was worthy for the subdivision to need to handle its water Nothing by the city Nothing by the state Nothing by the county that's downright scary we didn't get a code until 1990 and in 1990 when the code was put in place to handle rainwater in a 24-hour period the city of Port Orange was 54% built out now think about that we're dealing with rainwater storm water and flooding on at least 54% of our community community that had no code to begin with I'm not pointing fingers I'm not saying should they have done something as the city was evolving and things of that nature it just flat didn't happen City kept building none of these individuals up here and none of the individuals that are sitting in the directors and managers positions of anybody for the city was here at that time when this was going through we are living with other people's problems and we are trying to deal with those problems as we go forward all I can say as as a councilman is we have 50 years of problem and greater and we have a time period of believe it or not three years on our management our management team and directors of the city of Port Orange is no greater than three years they have been unding and digging out problems of the city that was previous predecessors to them council is in that same position all I can ask is that you give the engineers time to get things approved so when we build it we build it right we're asking for Tallahassee for money that we're not having a char charge back exorbitant Mill rates we don't need to raate taxes if we can get the money from the state and the FEDS that's another big concern some of these projects are 50 and $60 million that's onethird of the budget for the city of Port Orange in one year I wouldn't even want to think about what a tax L would be and I'm not even proposing that by any stretch of imagination it's just understand understanding what we have gotten ourselves involved in we have a staff that will go out and do more than I have ever seen before I have been here in Port orang as residence for 30 years I've never seen a staff and that's not me just sitting up here I've never seen a staff more proactive than what we have right now so we're going to work through this as a Community how do we get there well it's understanding some of the little terms that I hear and spat it out on the internet that plows us all the time that we're overb building so I go back to the drawing board I know this is a big one and I go to the overbuilding concept of Port Orange now remember we were 54% built out in 1990 we're laning what is it 80 close to 90 close to 90% now in 2024 it's understanding that there's not a lot of building left but knowing what we've done in the last five years I thought was very very relevant to this the building code today is 8 and2 Ines of rainwater and 1.2 factor for holding its own water on property I know one of the things was asked dealing with Aldi's property and that was a big concern of mine I am literally in the Westport shopping center where my business is it's literally in my backyard I can spit and hit it it's there there's a concern big concern big enough that one of the first things when I could finally get off of my proper property and drive had to go check my business the property at that section held its own water now granted the building's not there but the pad is paved so that pad is paved and the water is saturated into that area the lake and pond behind it was it full yes but it was not spilling that's a big deal they were holding their own water and it wasn't spilling building the front of Westport shopping center went through a major renovation 14 years ago and in that renovation they had to expand the parking lot and they expanded the ponds per code in that parking lot they got elongated the water was even with the tops of the wears but not spilling today's codes do work as long as the engineering is done right when it's built I'm not going to say that building is wrong sometimes Engineers can make mistakes too but the building codes of today do work in the last five years we have taken a 1365 units of apartments and everybody goes apartments are popping up all over the place we've had five major apartment complexes in five years that's approximately by code 900 people uh for the apartment complex per year Port Orange population by housing is 118 houses per year being built 100 homes round it off to 120 that's where we're at it's 120 homes when people say there's a boom and I take those numbers and you go together with apartments condos and homes that is a 1.4% increase per year for residents moving into Port Orange 1.4% I just want to make sure everybody's clear of that this is the actual numbers it's not hidden material it's it's for anybody this is the residential boom that we're having a percent and a fourth as we go forward so please understand that the flooding and things of that nature I'm not saying it isn't building but it's a minuscule piece with what we have going on there's other factors that we need to find out to figure out how to stop the flooding that's where the master plan for storm water has been being worked on for the last several years and I think there needs to be another piece to it we have professionals from our staff doing the management plan what I'm proposing to council tonight and we passed this out earlier is a proposal for a storm water Advisory Board the storm water advisory board is pretty simplistic the mission of it is to enhance the city's storm water management by making recommendations on possible improvements that will increase drainage and capabilities for intense storm waterer events it's working to try to help the city and find problems that they may have overlooked I'm human I get told all the time when I make a mist State what I do with it married too I'm married too that's true but at that same time I have to analyze what can be done the scope of that board is the storm mortar Advisory Board will review the volume of storm water within the city's boundaries and the influx of water from neighboring areas flowing into Port Orange I think that's a major concern that we're missing who do they report to the board is expected to present quarterly reports on potential storm water issues and propose solutions for city council and city managers considerations to help staff we're not saying staff is having issues we're trying to assist and Aid where they may have not looked it's nice to have a second pair of eyes we want to make the board where it is functional functional boards are small boards not a major conglomerate of 20 people functional boards need to be small five person board right off the bat when I was talking to a few citizens about this process I told them that the five person board two would be citizens of Port Orange we need Insight we need be hearing from you but it's not just sitting there griping we're we're going to work third person is a Florida licensed civil engineer we need somebody that knows how to make this work fourth person is a Florida licensed division one contractor now a lot of y'all may go who's that had to go and dig up some codes had some friends help me with this one a Vision one contractor is defined as a residential contractor a building contractor or a general contractor if we just set a general contractor we may lose a vital person that has skills that might be a residential contractor or a building contractor so a division one encompasses all three contractor types lastly but to me the most important piece is a dewatering specialist or an underground utility contractor the reason that's vital is they know how to move water they may not be able to design it but they know how to move the water and that's where the civil engineers and division one contractors come in five person board uh the board share will be one of the contractors we have to have somebody in charge that understands building codes not just shooting from the hip shooting from the hip gets us in trouble it allows us to fix one problem and maybe flood somebody else's home that's the last thing I ever want to happen and Juno's talked about this greatly is what's the fix there's a lot of study Cambridge tons of studies before they got the engineering going through because the last thing we wanted to do is have a knee-jerk reaction throw another wear throw another Dam throw another sandbag throw whatever it needs to be and we flood another community on the back side of it that doesn't help the community somebody said it earlier and and I'm I'm going to Echo what they sounded is we have to leave with compassion the scope of this board is to help the community get things moving and to help the city to help us help you and hopefully my fellow councilmen uh agree upon that and um I'd like you input um well because you you've got a very detailed proposal and we'll have time to think about it but we need to put it on an agenda so people will be noticed that we'll have that discussion um that will also give us time for uh to consider an input I mean I certainly have concerns because we're trying to invent a wheel with the storm water management plan I want that wheel to go faster not slower and I also concern are we creating a second wheel or not but we need to have that's going to involve an advanced Council discussion on policy so um I would ask you to prepare with staff uh that Council discussion and then we can move forward that way it's noticed on an agenda in the future Y and this is and understand this is a secondary Aid I can also tell you've already had that that conversation with staff extensively so uh uh preparing that as an agenda item I guess you'd be the presenter um and then we seeing as you basically already have but we need to make sure we do that in in an advertised public fashion and that'll give us the rest of his time to prepare and have adequate discussion and the public can as well okay sound good yep okay thank you okay that's one issue what else you got tonight is that it that's it okay okay mayor I'm sorry if I could jump in real quick I have one last thing I yep I I had made notation I don't know if the gentleman from sugar force is still here or not but oh all right uh I'm just making a plea to you I know that type of activity that you're talking about is super frustrating I I came out of the world of law enforcement I get it and what I'm my plea to you is and your neighbors is please continue to call in violations I know it seems redundant and I get it and but we know we we have to operate within the confines of the law and code enforcement confin minds are not favorable as I would like to see them as you would like to see them but the persistency is huge so I've just I know it wears on you I can tell why you're talking the fresh I I I'm with you I sympathize I'm just asking please don't give up on the process I'm happy to meet with you and tell you a story of my own neighborhood that drove me nuts for a really long time and still in there but that's all I I don't not looking for a back and forth here with you I'm just asking you please and their neighbors call in the violations call them in and real time when stuff's happening in real time that's critically important uh you know a lot of times people will say well it was last Tuesday this was happening call it in in real time but I I appreciate your comments and i' seen her for 10 years y we we we know we we know house burns down and I'm like thank you but he still didn't go away he still lived there for five five months stay at it with us then went oh we know we know the story we know we know Wayne in that regard also I did have a question myself we have a number of people living in temporary uh campers and things like that outside of their homes because of the hurricane uh in certain situations where they flooded and we've allowed that to be acceptable and in the past we've used emergency orders to cover those for a certain period of time what I want to make sure is that as we draw any emergency orders along those lines that they're drawn tightly enough so this guy and I've seen the property I saw it this morning I drove the neighborhood um isn't able to uh take advantage of that uh temporary measure where we're trying to help other people where we're uh uh where he takes advantage of that there there's a state statute now that covers that but IT addresses criteria and you have to actually have a house you're working on that was damaged by the storm so if you have an empty lot that's not a house that was damaged by the storm okay good cuz that was my question there may be other loopholes in that rule for him to camp on his site oh he's camping I've seen it but the actual recovery from the hurricane doesn't apply okay uh with that uh I think it' be appropriate we uh take a 8 Minute facility break before we reconvene uh with the public hearing with that we are in recess for 8 minutes e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e and we are back public hearing portion of the meeting is now open ordinance item 14 ordinance number 20 24-18 for amendment to angers Cove PUD Master development agreement uh Mr attorney if you'd read the ordinance an ordinance of the city of Port Orange County floor approving the First Amendment to the angers Cove PUD Master development agreement to establish modified definition of a screen enclosure for Lot 4 of the Ang Anglers Cove subdivision providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances separability and an effective date move to approve ordinance number 2024 d8 second we have a motion proper second items open on the floor for discussion second reading Council comments questions no we discuss there being none would anyone here care to speak to the item I looked at robbert he still stationary okay back to council final comments call the rooll councilman Foley yes councilman grabs yes councilman basan yes vice mayor stillner yes mayor Bernett yes 5 item 15 second reading of ordinance number 202 24-20 the Land Development code Amendment chapter 20 relating to the eligibility for Economic Development incentives Mr attorney if you'd read that for me please an ordinance of the city of porns W County FL amending the Land Development code chapter 20 relating to eligibility for economic development in setes and updating language related to impact fees providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances severability and effective date move to approve ordinance number 20 24-20 second okay do we have a proper second second fley I'll give it to fley fley got it there there you go sit still sit still Drew that's good uh we have a motion proper second the items open on the floor for discussion councel comments or questions second reading there being none would anyone here care to speak to the item there being none back to us final comments call the rooll councilman Foley yes councilman grabs yes councilman basan yes vice mayor sner yes mayor Bernett yes 5 public hearing portion of the meeting is closed regular agenda item 16 second reading of ordinance number 20 24-21 the amendment to chapter 54 Article 5 of the police pension fund the code of ordinances Mr attorney an ordinance of the city of por Bush County Florida amending chapter 54 Article 5 police pension fund amending section 54130 benefit level amending supplemental benefit eligibility for certain members providing for codification repeal of conflicting ordinances separability and an effective date move to approve ordinance number 202 24-21 second go ahead jar got it we're giving that one to Drew the item is open and on the floor uh for discussion as we've had a motion and a proper second from uh Mr Bastion uh Council questions comments now this one second reading and it's we've hashed this one out over time yes we have M anyone here care to speak to the item there being none back to council no comments call the rooll councilman Foley yes councilman grabs yes councilman B yes mayor sner yes mayor berett yes 5 item 17 second reading of ordinance number 20 24-22 which is an amendment to chapter 54 Article 4 fire and rescue pension fund of the code of ordinances move to approve ordinance number 202 24-22 second we have a motion proper second thank you Mr Foley the item is open on the floor for discussion Council comments would you like me to read that one I I jump my bad City attorney no wor attorney of you I'm all over in ordinance of the city of cor County Florida amending chapter 54 Article 4 fire and rescue pension fund amending section 5477 definitions amending the definition of salary amending section 542 retirement benefits amounts and eligibility amending the normal retirement date for certain members providing for codification conflicting ordinances separability and providing an effective date and that was your motion that was my motion that was your second Council comments or questions okay anyone here care to speak to the item there being none back to us final comments or questions call the rooll councilman Foley yes councilman grubs yes councilman B yes vice mayor St yes mayor Bernett yes by vot we just took care of Public Service good job guys item 18 is first reading of ordinance number 20 24-24 amending the information technology policies for City boards and commissions Mr attorney an ordinance of the city of porn wsh County Florida amending the code of ordinances article 3 boards and commissions division one electronic Information Systems amending terminology to be consistent with recently adopted information technology and cyber security policies expanding applicability adding additional prohibited uses addressing security and Licensing issues amending the public records requirements establishing a new section 2-58 adding use requirements providing for conflicting ordinances severability codification scrier errors and effective date move to approve ordinance number 22 24-24 a second we have a motion proper second the item is open on the floor for discussion I don't miss having to read those thank you Mr attorney Wayne who do we have speaking to this one I'll do a brief uh overview if you need more depth I have it staff as well as the attorney who helped us put this together basically couple months back Council authorized the cyber security framework to be adopted we put in place for the city as a whole it included a requirement that we adopt a whole series of policies related to staff so we have all those in place and staff is following the policies part of the federal government's effort to reduce cyber fraud and cyber attacks on on governments uh as we were putting it together that we realized there's an ordinance that relates to the council itself and your boards and commissions that I can't put those policies it requires an ordinance for you to to do yourself so this is council's version of the exact same policies similar stuff using the current modern terms talks about software you can put on your computers websites you can go to V various things related to how do you limit the ability for anybody to hack or attack our system so uh that's essentially what this is if your ordinance would match you you yourselves and your boards would match the same policies we have as staff Council questions comments nope good clean up work yeah this is that's what we need to do be more efficient not less anyone here car sck to the item there being none back to us final comments or questions call the rooll councilman Foley yes councilman grabs yes Council Bastion yes vice mayor sner yes mayor Bernette yes by V additional items Mr City attorney no thanks nothing at all okay I did have something for you but I'll ask you about it uh another time uh city manager nothing further uh city council committee reports River to CPO councilman Foley uh not much to report here but um couple quick things first off we're going to need to change the name of the river to C TPO because it's going to be the valicia Flagler TPO um they officially have the it's kind of a government DBA if you will um and they are working on actually moving over uh everything little by little so you'll see that change on Facebook on marketing materials on agenda packets all those things um also this uh morning I attended the executive committee meeting which I've been on now for a year I've been on the executive committee and uh due to some shifts at the top I am now the first vice chairperson of the river to CPO congratulations yeah you should see the paying benefits right that's right but no uh really honored to serve there feel especially to be trusted by my peers so much it means a great deal to me and I thank them for that opportunity um also so the we had a preliminary audit report with um James Moore Zach came in from James Moore and that has just improved so much from the first year I was there to now the third um really really impressed with everything um the work the executive director has done uh that it's really remarkable the changes that have gone there in the last three years so uh kudos to them but it's it's all good things over there with that anything any other business come before us this evening if not we will do this again in 13 days on November 19th which will be my last have a good night everybody