Please rise for silent invocation followed by pledge of allegiance. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. Clerk, call the role. Councilman Bley here. Councilman here. Councilman here. Gross here. Here. We have 50. Everybody's in attendance tonight. Before we get started, I just want to make a public comment. Um, several I got
several emails uh late this afternoon in regards to a piece of property that is contiguous to the Spruce Creek Flyin and Quiet Place in the country. And we just wanted to take a moment to make sure everybody, you're welcome to speak on the one that's on the agenda tonight, but it is not that property. That
property that you see in in pink there is the Creek Crossings property that a lot of folks were emailing thinking the agenda item tonight is that project and that is not the project on agenda item 16. That being said, if you wish to speak to agenda item 16, which is the
property that is not between the flyin and quiet place that borders out onto Airport Road, uh that will be an agenda item later in the meeting on 16 and you'll be welcome to do that. We just didn't want people who were thinking it was the other property to sit through an entire meeting tonight and at the end of the the thing because that happens
sometimes and then uh they they're kind of upset at us that they thought they were here for something that's not an agenda item. We we can't speak to the other project by the way. That's not a that's not a Port Orange agenda item. That's something in the an incorporated part of the county. That being said, item four, any public comments on
consent agenda items only. Consent agenda items only this evening? Seeing none, can I have a motion to approve? Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to pull item eight from consent for further discussion. Okay. There any
other items council wishes to pull tonight? Councilman Green, can you give us a motion to approve consent agenda excluding item eight to be pulled? So move. Second. We have a motion and a second. Cler, call the role. Councilman
Fley. Yes. Councilman Gford. Yes. Councilman Green. Yes. Vice May. Yes. Yes. 5. Agenda item eight, approval of school resource officer agreement between Valuchia County School Board and the city of Port Orange. Councilman
Green. I pulled this item. Um I'm sorry. Let's let's get a uh a motion. Motion. Move to approve item eight. Can I have a second, please? Second. All right. We have a motion and a second on the floor. Go ahead, Council Green. I pulled this item just uh because again I wanted to
discuss this as a as a board and uh discuss um you know the the the full picture of of this particular item. Um there we are being asked to to fund and
to provide two officers to two schools and and I don't want to be the naysayer on this either but this is a uh this is an item that is um the responsibility of the school board and whoever they have uh an agreement with with the sheriff's
office. But to do this, it's going to cost us um as pulled orange, it's going to cost us $76,150 per year plus the expenses of an officer, which is going to be two cars,
uniforms, etc. So, um I think this is just another situation where I think the this is a schoolboard issue. Um, we're taking two sworn officers out of the rotation of the police department. We're
going to put them in the schools for 9 months or however long the school is, 181 days, and then we're going to have to figure out how to put them back into the rotation and how that goes. Uh, and again, we would I'm just saying we're coming up on budget time and and we're literally pinching pennies on this
board. and to say that we're going to now spend another 76,000 plus cars plus this plus we already run traffic. Um I just want to to put that out there that
that's my position on this. I think this is something that the school board should be doing and I don't see is how we have this additional funds to fund pulling two officers away from the police department to put on a school campus.
That's all I got on that. Council Gilbert. So, do I understand that a school resource officer is not necessarily a Port Orange police officer? They are sworn officers. Chief, did you or Mr. City Manager, do you want to have
the police chief maybe come up answer some of the questions if they're going to pertain to Yes, sir. Yeah, we can do that. I know the answer, but I I'll let the We got this great qualified guy to come. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council, uh Manny Marino, Chief of
Police. So, they are currently their school resource uh deputies that are in there. Uh the idea is that the Port Orange officers would now replace them starting at the middle schools. Uh the reimbursement from the county, they they reimburse the sheriff's office the same amount that they're looking to reimburse
us. That 76,000 is for the two officers. Uh 50% of the 180 days that they're on campus is the way that works. Um, just to be clear too, we are the last municipality in Valuchia County to not have school resource officers in our own schools. So, we were the last hold out
was ourselves, Orange City and New Simra, I believe. Chief, what's the difference though than a than a guardian versus a school resource officer in this situation? So, the guardians are there mostly for our security as an armed safety officer. Um, that's what you'll generally see at
the elementary level is guardians. um with the school resource officer, they get more involved with the daily with the day-to-day uh obviously the safety of the schools, but the threat assessments, if you've seen any of the posts that the sheriff's put out, I can't tell you how many um online and
and anonymous uh threats that we get that we deal with weekly. School resource officer is responsible for investigating all of those. Any issues that crime on or around campus, they handle all of those calls. That'll eliminate um a Port Orange Patrol patrol officer having to go to the school to
handle some of the stuff. Uh if Alushia County is not going to make the arrest or if it happens just off campus, the school resource officer will take care of all that. So we're being reimbursed from the school board for the cost, correct? For the 180 days, half um for the time that
they're on campus and that was the 76,000. It equates to about 38 38 and change per officer. Um, and so you know, between the two middle schools and our two high schools, it's a population of almost 7,000 people between students, teachers, and staff.
And they have full policing power. That means they can arrest somebody. They can. And, uh, the other question uh, Councilman Green brought up. So, in when school's not in session, they'll have to take care of any training requirements to keep their certification up, but if they're if they're able to, we'll
reassign them back to patrol um for the for the time that they're off campus. So, who's responsible for paying for that additional training? It's part of what we we have to. So, we're required by FDLE to um to hit a certain mandate every year. Um, so generally what you'll
do is you'll have your SRO's do that in the summertime. So we're not having to pull them out of school and then have somebody cover for them. And so then the reason we're being asked to do this is because we don't have two officers now. We're the only city that doesn't. So we're not replacing officers that are leaving. We didn't have them there in
the first place. Correct. Okay. between the two councilman's uh asking the questions uh Foley and Gart, you've answered everything I needed as far as this goes. I mean, the big one to me is not knowing that we didn't have so there already and uh so's there. They're
there. They're there at the middle schools. Yes. And they'll be they'll be pulling out and we'll have Port Orange officers there. The other side of that too is it's you you want the Port Orange officers there interacting. Ideally, you know, unfortunately when we had our issues with the vacancies, we lost our
DARE officers who taught at the elementary level. You you want to be able to have interactions with these students from the time, right? They're little. So you start with DAR in elementary and when the officers check out at the schools and then the idea is that now they have a Port Orange officer as their SRO that they feel comfortable
with and by the time they get to high school um they've had a Port Orange officer in their schools for you know all their teenage years as well. And so by the time they reach adulthood they're comfortable with the police department. You know it's a way to build that interaction. If you saw um it's
important if you saw the arrest we made over the weekend that that started with um a victim approaching the SRO to tell them you know what had happened with the case that we had the sexual battery on and that that student felt comfortable enough to go to the SRO and tell them
that. So that's to where you want to get the relationship to be and that takes time and that's you know interacting with the kids every day. Okay, that was going to be kind of my my comment is that this is really doing it the way it should have been done in the
first place. And and for and that's not a knock on the sheriff's office, by the way, but just picture that internally in our city, these are our residents and our residents kids and and and so you're bringing in basically an outside agency
to come in and serve as a function that's having that day-to-day contact. And we as a municipal police department are losing a lot of opportunities to gain that mentorship, gain that familiarity. There there's there's countless benefits to us being there as opposed to the sheriff's office. Again,
that's not a knock on the sheriff's office. And and I can assure you that many decades ago, and the chief can probably support this, that's how everybody wanted to do it in municipalities. It just wasn't able to happen as fast as it could be with the counties putting their people into the
resources. So th this has been a long time coming and this really is the way to do it. Uh because if if something happens at the schools and they do happen frequently, it's it's our people that are closest anyhow. It's it's our officers that are going there
to support that. Whether it's the officer on campus, the support officers coming in, investigators coming in, whatever that is, it's it's our people that are going to get there the fastest. And we need to have that familiarity, that sharing of intelligence and information and all those different things. It it this is the right way to
do it and and and like the chief said for all the other reasons um it's it just is time and yes there there is a cost to that but there's also going to be a value and that value is tough to measure. I can I would concede that. But I, you know, having come out of the law enforcement world, I can tell you this
is going to be a much better thing for the residents of our community, the the children in our community that attend that school, the employees and and our police department as well. Hands down, it will be a better way to do it for sure. So, so my understanding just not this will be an addition to the resource officers or they're going to take the
resource officers out to replace them with one of our officers. They'll they'll be replacing the existing school resource deputies. So now they'll be our Port Orange School resource officers will be on campus. So do we know what what happens to those two deputies? Where do they go or I'm sure they'll be reassigned somewhere else to a different
function. Um cuz because in reality you just made mention I mean how many residents and how many teachers are in these two middle schools at any given time during school? Well that's including the high schools. I I can numbers I have Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm not
meaning to be like you know specific about the numbers. I think it's close to 3,000 for the middle schools to to just the two middle schools is pretty much sure that irregardless my point was going to be that's a lot of responsibility on one officer period one person. Um and so you know I I think I
saw a little bit of a a sticker shot when saw the hourly rate and then you realize the amount of responsibility that you're talking about you know laying on somebody's shoulders uh it it comes with you know proper compensation. town. Well, and to put it into an additional context, I mean, it's been a
long time for me, but I can remember when there were times where there were more calls for service at a single school in a given day than there were at some of the zones that we had staffed. So, that's a lot of people in a very dense area. Uh, and and there's things that happen and calls that have to be
responded to and stuff like that. So, that does happen. No, I I I share your view, Scott. I think it's beneficial for us to have that intel um right at our fingertips in our department. So, so Chief, let me ask you just and again I'm sorry to beat on this horse like this, but again, it's an additional
expense to Port Orange, right? By about a h 100,000 a year roughly speaking when we talk about the full package of the officers, the cars, etc. that the county or the school board would be paying otherwise. Correct. Correct. Um and so
what happens if this one of these RS So are you going to take two guys and say you're the two guys? Yes. What happens if one of them goes on vacation? We'd have to have the school covered by who? And is it So, is there special training for this? There is. You're required to do um I think I believe it's up to six
months to be certified as an SRO. Um and then there's there's some additional training deals with um people in crisis, deals with ADA requirements with the school board itself. How many people are you going to get trained? So, I have right now uh five total. You do. You
have you'll have five trained people that could go and fill the position on any given day. Yeah, if you needed short term, that's allowable. Um, if you were going to replace someone, you'd have to have all that training done within a a certain time frame, right? Um, so if it's a one day thing or two days for whatever reason, um, any officer can go
over there just for the safety or vacation time, whatever. Yeah. Correct. Now, we would encourage them obviously to take their vacation when school's out because they'll be off for Christmas break. They'll be off for the summertime. So ideally, I mean, granted, you know, there's death in the family, things happen, uh, but ideally, they'll
be, you know, really encouraged to take their time off when school's not in session. In the summertimes, is there going to be a problem for you to fit them back into the rotation or No, it'll actually alleviate because you you obviously we have officers with families that do want to take vacation, you know,
so some cases if staffing is too short, they'd have to call somebody in on overtime. If the SRO is available, they can come back fill some of those positions for the summer. you know, when when they're there, okay, they're they will have to cover, you know, there's sometimes a week or two if if that particular school has summer school. Um,
but it's generally about usually two weeks. Okay? And I'm just my my point being this, guys, is that uh again, this is an additional cost. I I fully agree it's the right thing to do. I just want to be everyone to be aware as we come into budget time. This is another
additional cost that we got to have to all think about. And I'm just pinching pennies here, Chief. I'm sorry, but I'm extension paying at the same time and I would turn to the county or school board and say just give us a full credit and we'll we'll do it if that's what we're doing but to it's still an added expense. So that's all I got on this
issue. Thank you. Good. Anybody from the public wish to speak to this item? Thank you. Thank you chief. Back to council. Any more comments? Clerk call the role. Councilman Bow. Yes. Councilman Gert. Yes. Councilman
Green. No. Vice Mayor Cre. Yes. Yes. 41 public participation non-aggenda. It looks like all the ones I got are for agenda item 16. So that we're done for non-aggenda. So that'll bring us to council comments on item 13. Let's start with you, Councilman Foley.
Uh I just want to say I had a great time at the mayor's tournament. Uh thought really staff did a great job this week. Um and not just because me and my team came in second place. Shout out to Matt Jones down there. Yeah, we had a good
time, right, Matt? All three shots, he said. That's right. No, it was but it was great. Seriously, um you know, it was it was cool to play a tournament where we had big prizes for people to win. It seemed like everybody had a good time. Weather was great and uh staff did a really good job of just being out there and making it fun. So, uh just
kudos to that. Tracy. So, I want to go back and just real quickly on consent agenda item number 12, resolution of 25-33. Uh, those that didn't read all of them, this is a a big deal. This is a land exchange between the schoolboard system
and the city, allowing us to exchange properties from Silver Sands and Horizon Elementary to put all of our ball fields or sports fields together in one location. Um, it doesn't seem like a big
deal that we're doing exchange property to property, but what it does is it allows the families to be able to have multiple ages in multiple fields in one location. It also allows us to have staffing in one location. So, it's it's
actually a big to-do and and I want to reach out and personally thank uh Susan and her staff for parks and recreation um suggesting and proposing the deal and having it come to fruition. now is it's an amazing thing. So, thank you guys for what y'all do. U saying that Willer Run
Park uh has an ideal meeting um as far as what to be proposed for that park also and that's coming up on Saturday, June 28th at 9:00 a.m. at uh Horizon Elementary. um for those that live in that area,
June 28th, 9:00 a.m. come and suggest and see what they're suggesting, but also suggest what we may not have thought about. Um this is a public to anybody that uh lives in Port Orange to come out, but especially for those that are going to use that area, come in and
put your input. Um, and then, uh, while I was gone, um, Dove Street House, great job, Matt, getting teams and everything together to be able to take care of the property and get the process through and and, um, at
the same time, uh, I I got good news for Sugar Forest. Judge is signed off. I got that news literally about 45 minutes ago from Matt. So what that means is it's in the process of the final stages. So that's coming. We're getting there.
You're getting there. So the judge has got the sign off. So we're we're getting there for Sugar Forest for the the property and the house nuisance. So that's that's coming and it's it's going to be a happy day. Um lastly, uh Art House Art House um has summer count
programs that are going on. It was pretty amazing thing. Uh yesterday I had my council meeting with Wayne and staff and uh we had a gaggle of kids come around city center and we were counting
kids and I couldn't count so many and I point blank asked Carmen today and they got 64 kids in camp and beauty of that is they are introducing art house the parks and recck center the city center to all these kids and the parents coming
in so that that program continues to grow. And uh to give a shout out to Art House is they also got accepted by the Ocean Center for the Echo Gallery and that's the main corridor going into
Ocean Center. Um, it has over 80 pieces of artwork that's actually going to be displayed by Art House, which then ties back to our city and they get an annual uh amount of visitors of 540,000 people that go through there to see
that. So, to know that we we have our house in our city, but to see what they do, to bring those people to know our city and different location is pretty remarkable. So, um, big shout out for them. That was just great news today.
Okay. Anything else? That's it. Hey, I just want to mention that, uh, our Florida legislature has gotten a budget to the governor and our fingers are crossed for, uh, our appropriations to be approved and not vetoed. So, we're
keeping an eye on that. I know Wayne, you probably got in and Juno all the hard work you guys done and uh so we'll see what happens over the next couple days. I want to say a special thank you to Parks and Wreck for that fantastic golf tournament uh this
weekend at Cypress Head. I did follow these two guys. Uh we were the team behind them and I'm telling you right now uh you had an attorney and a rock star and I don't trust their scores one bit. Man, I've never seen so many mulligans
on one hole in my life. We have to change that next year. Um and I think that is really all I have for right now. Council Green, I just wanted to make one comment uh that was on the consent agenda and it it was item 10 and it was
it was the cops hiring program and I just want to just just make a couple notes that uh this is an opportunity that we are being funded and we're not being fully funded but we're getting 75% of the money for three years to hire new
police and after that three years then we will then absorb them full-time oursel, but I just think that this is a great program uh and helping getting getting new police in the door. We got we have guys that are going to be leaving and this is a great opportunity
to get some money to to uh put new officers on the street and I just want to make a just make a note that that's a good good program and I'm glad we got involved in it. A very similar program just like that was how I got hired in 1989. There was four officers hired in that year. they covered 100% the following
year 75 then 50 and after that the city decided to keep me around for a little while. So thank I mean when we get into budget time we're talking budget time we just talked about budget time on on another issue. So that's why I think this is uh it's good for the people to know because it was on consent and it just kind of got voted in but um it it
is funding for three new officers that uh eventually will be become full-time. Sure. That's all I got. Anything else? All right. Uh just I just want to echo the comments uh about the golf tournament. Um, I want to thank our parks and recreation staff and Kim Sports. They did an amazing job. The
course looked incredible. Uh, we had a goal this year, uh, to raise $10,000 for our Parks and Wreck youth athletic scholarship fund. That's a that's a mark that we haven't ever achieved. And and congratulations to Parks and Wreck that we were able to achieve that for the
first time this year and get to that that that amount. And so there will be a lot of a lot of children and families that are not able to pay for some of the the fees to participate in certain programs and things that will have that opportunity now to get that funding from that. So kudos to everybody. It was a
sellout event. Uh we've already got folks uh looking to kind of position themselves for some of the sponsorships next year, which is that's a great thing when the sponsors are fighting over themselves to be able to be sponsors for that event and certain types of sponsors. That is a really good thing.
So, congratulations to everybody. Uh, it's been a long history. I think it was Is this This was the 38th year. Is that right? I hear Susan saying yes over there somewhere. I believe close to 38. Yeah. Almost 40 years that that tournament's been going on. And so, it's a great event. I wish more people could
participate, but there's only so many you can put on a golf course at one time. Um, I I mentioned this to the city manager, but for the council uh to know and for the clerk to maybe uh be prepared to work on. Uh I spoke today with House Representative Chase Traymont. Um got a few updates from him.
He would like to be on an agenda uh in July if we can make that work. He would like to come and give us uh legislative uh updates and briefing because there was a lot in Tallahassee this year. So um he would like to do that. If you guys can work on one of the agenda dates in
July or early August at the latest, let's get uh Representative Traremont in here. And certainly if Senator Wright would like to come and do the same thing on a night or whatever, that's that's that's that would be appropriate as well. So, and that's all I've got for right now. How about we go to item 14,
city attorney comments. Yeah, just on the 717 dove, I wanted to say that there were a bunch of folks involved in that. Um, code enforcement, fire, building officials. So, a lot of folks acting quickly to uh to abate that safety issue there. Just wanted to say that. Thank
you. Great. Great work. Great work. Item 15, city manager comments. I don't have anything, but I'm going to have Robin get up and briefly tell you we're in the process of switching over our utility billing software. It's something that when we made the full switch out of Navaline into Tyler, this was one of the other major things that was coming was
upgrading how we do utility billing to modern software. And with that happening in the next month, Robin's going to give you a briefing on where we By the way, I hope I'm not stealing Robin's thunder, but I just want to give credit. I love the fact that when you go to our city website right now, it is the it is an
automatic popup that's right there in your face. I love it. Great, great, great idea. Whoever came up with that, go ahead, take credit for Robin, even if it wasn't yours. Go ahead. All right, Robin Fenwick, assistant city manager. As the mayor said, um just wanted to to give you guys a quick update on on the
switch from u our old legacy system to the new Tyler. We switched um our finance and and HR functions about a year or so ago. Um this is just the next step with that. Um and that's going to be our utility billing. Um it'll be just
a much better process. Um no third-party billing through payment. Um but the old system will go down on Monday, June 23rd. So you will not be able to make any payments online as of June 23rd. Um and and we expect that to take about two
weeks to do the the full switchover and we'll be back up um by July 7th. So just two days before my birthday. So presents are accepted. Okay. So July 7th we'll be back we'll be back up. Um and then at that time we'll be able to create new
accounts if you pay online. If you do online billing you will you will need to um set up a new account if you want to see your history in there. It'll be your history moving forward. We will lose everything. Not lose it, but it won't you won't be able to see it online. Um,
what you see today because it's a whole new system. Um, so you'll you'll need to create a new account. It'll start creating your your history moving forward. Um, and you'll be able to set up your autopay at that point as well. Um, if you pay on on the phone
currently, if you call and give your credit card or debit card number, you won't be able to do that anymore to a live person. you'll have to call and it'll be an automated system. We don't want um people taking credit card numbers over the phone anymore. That's kind of outdated. So, um but you'll
still be able to do that through an automated system online or on the phone. Um and then if you mail in a check or come in to city hall and say hi to our nice folks, you can still do that through the whole the whole process. None of that will change. You won't have
to set up an online access account if you don't want to go online and see what's going on. Come down and and talk to us all day long. Um, we did start communications about this through our customer service reps
several months ago. Uh, as they talked to people, they let them know that they wouldn't be able to call in and do that online or over the phone payment um, the way that they do it today. So, that's been going on. We did uh, put it on our website. Um last week we we sent out um
social media posts. We we'll continue through all that. We have we're working almost final um approvals on an email that's going to go out by the end of this week that um will explain specifically to if if you're the group that that needs to to do something, then
you're going to get an email that tells you to do something. If you're a group that that you don't need to, you're going to get an email that says you don't need to do anything. And those would be the people that originally set up their account through avoided check. If you're set up through a voided check, you're good if you want to stay that
way. You don't have to do anything. Um, so we also have on the the website, it's there's a banner at the top as well as that popup. It's in the the the latest news. There's frequently asked questions there. If I didn't cover anything here, um, you guys have
questions, we're we're here to answer it, but also customer service reps are available to assist through the whole the whole transition. Think of it like so back in the old days, some of you guys can remember, we used to have those little flip up phones, the cell phones that had the ABC, DEF, and if you wanted
to text, you had to like push it twice. That's our current utility billing system. And the new one is going to be like having a brand new highle iPhone. So it will be a change and there going to be some people who are going to be you know need some help when they get to that change but it it's the right way to
go to get to the modern phone. So that's what we're doing right now. Uh everybody has their own way of learning. So for self-sufficient people like Robin said you can go on the internet you can go on our website those people figure it out. If you want to talk to a real human we have real humans you can talk to. You can come down here and talk to in
person. You can talk to them on the phone. So, we tried to make sure that whatever way you want to feel comfortable with your brand new Apple phone, uh, you can make it make it comfortable and get taken care of. We're also not going to be doing shut offs during the month of July. So, if anything happens in any glitches, you're not going to get your water shut off.
We'll work on that and take care of that for you. Forget that. So, we're not shutting water off. And do we have a grace period on less for right now? Okay. Yeah. Can I And just one more question. If a flip phone is something that you used to have to Was that your question? That was that was actually we were all
thinking it but go ahead. That was my first film was a little slide Sony Ericson. Yeah, I'm not I'm not that young. No, actually my question was going to be um if you know Grandma Mima wants to do an online account but needs help. Can
she come in here and get help at customer service? Someone walk her through that process? Absolutely. because I think that that'll be there'll be a lot of people who probably still want to set up autopay and want to have something like that, but it might be easier to have their handheld as they're doing the setup. So, absolutely. Okay,
cool. That was that was my concern. Good question. Is there still is there still a group of people that get paper bills? Yes. Yes. And that is still going to continue until Is that correct? Correct. So, unless they choose otherwise, right?
Okay. Yep. Anything? Trace. Good. All right. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Mr. City Manager. Anything else? That's it for you. Okay. That'll bring us to the public hearing portion of the meeting. Item 16, second reading of ordinance number 2025-14.
Mr. City Attorney, an ordinance of the city of Lawrence, Bush County, Florida, annexing approximately 56 and a half acres of property located west of Airport Road and north of Charles Street. repealing conflicting ordinances separate providing for separability and an effective date. I get a motion and a
second to put this item on the for discussion. Go ahead to move to approve ordinance number 2025-14. A second. Have a motion in a second. Mr. City Manager, do you want to have somebody from community development just recap or you can do it recap what this
uh is all about here on the agenda item? Yeah, we have Penny will come do it. Thank you. Hey Denny, how are you? Hi. Good evening. and Penelopey cruise planning. Let me just get the PowerPoint up real quick. Yeah, if you can just recap what this is and what it is not. I will. I will.
All right. So, before you you can see the graphic here, the property um highlighted in blue down here is the proposed annexation property um commonly referred to as Vintage Acres. It's a voluntary annexation. The city of Port Orange does not go out and annex land.
um a property owner applies to voluntarily annex. Um annexations are governed by Florida statute. So there's three criteria in Florida statute that we have to analyze for annexations. Um whether it's contiguous, whether it is reasonably compact and not part of not
currently part of an incorporated area of another municipality. The staff report that's on record confirms that that is the case, it meets all three of those criteria. Florida statutes also requires that if a property is annexed into a municipality, then the next steps
are that the city would have to then process a future land use amendment and a reasonzoning to change the land use from the county designations to the city designations. So, if this annexation is approved tonight on second reading, the applicant um has stated that their
intent is to apply to change the future land use designation from Valuchia County agricultural resource and urban low intensity to city rural transition, which allows a maximum density of two units per acre. and then to reszone the property to a planned unit development
to establish the framework for development of a subdivision of up to 113 single family lots which would be a maximum density of two units per acre consistent with W's edge across the street. Um
as part of the review all the applicable developments in uh departments in the city have reviewed the annexation with regards to any kind of impacts and needs assessments for services and infrastructure. Um it has been determined that there's adequate capacity and services to accommodate the
proposed annexation as well as the proposed future development of the 113 maximum single family lots. Um so that is addressed in the staff report. Those are the main criteria that we review during annexation applications. Um, we
did want to just bring to light what is proposed as the next step so that that's transparent to everybody that if this annexation is approved, the next steps are that the applicant plans to change the future land use and apply for the PUD for up to 113 single family homes.
Um, and staff just also wants to note that, you know, the annexations are not something we commonly see in Port Orange. We don't do a lot of, you know, we don't have a lot of annexation requests these days. Um, so just to clarify, it's not a quasi judicial um, decision. It's a legislative decision.
Um, and so the council's vote can be based on any legitimate public concern. Um, so just again to summarize what the next steps would be if this would be approved tonight. Um the applicant would then submit their future land use map amendment application and their
application for the resoning to a PUD. Once those applications have been officially submitted, the city staff would go out and post the property with those large yellow public notice signs on the three roadway frontages that the property has. The developer then is
required to lead a neighborhood meeting. This is a developer-led neighborhood meeting, not a city public meeting. Um and that meeting is required to be held prior to the first public meeting. So before going to planning commission um so then thereafter would start um the public hearing process for um the future
land use amendment and the PUD resoning. It requires going to planning commission and then two readings with city council because they would both be ordinances in between there going to the blue growth management commission for review of the land use amendment. Um, and then if all that is approved, the final step would
be to submit the subdivision platin plans for the development of the subdivision. So staff is here to answer any questions you may have. Okay. Anybody have any questions for staff? Know this is second reading for us. Anybody questions for staff? All right. Thank you. We'll go to the public here.
All right. I know there's a few that wanted to speak to this. So, how about we start with Melvin Stanley. So, you get here early, you get to go first. just introduce yourself. Tell us where you live and your name. Yes, sir. Um Melvin Stanley. I'm in the Spruce Creek
flyin. If you want the address, it's on the card up there. Um I'm longtime resident there and active in the community. We have uh several of our um board members here just to listen. We're down to one speaker so we don't waste a
bunch of your time. Um the um we have Port Orange address as you know but we're in unincorporated uh county. We're we're not in your city though we're a Port Orange address. Um we're 1598 properties including the
residential commercial 20ome miles of street taxiways and runway country club and golf course. We maintain all of our streets, our airport, and our um uh and our common grounds. The purpose for speaking here is concerning the
proposed annexation of the plus or minus 56 acres that's in uh that's just been talked about, the so-called vintage acres, which borders the flying property off Airport Road. The concerns are include current drainage and flooding
problems of which we we have a we have a pretty we have a pretty bad case of flooding already going on back there. What has occurred from the developments that have been here since uh since I came is along airport road there's um
retirement home. There's some other apartment complexes that has created when there's heavy rains enough washback that the water is running into our community instead of out of it there. And that's creating some very significant problems
where it runs through our ponds and and exits out in a back portion of the creek to go to Spruce Creek. The um the the development putting I've covered that. Um the the water is
flowing out. The flooding issues exist as a compounded problem in conjunction with another proposed development. This is Cross Creek. That one is a real mess for us because if it goes in as proposed, it is definitely going to flood um a number of the dwellings in
our community. the u the the s the Spruce Creek Property Owners Association has compiled a significant amount of factual information concerning water levels, flooding, and other issues that have grown over the years. We call it
our public works department. It's like your street maintenance department. Those those are the people who take care of the of the of the infrastructure and the um and the streets. Um the
the the purpose in compiling mayor, if I may, um I'd like to propose to since they've shown interest in having us one speaker on behalf of the whole group here. So these other folks aren't speak are not speaking tonight. Uh no, I'm not suggesting Okay. I am going speaking for the property owners
association. If other people are individually speaking, they're on. Go ahead and wrap up your your final thought, Mr. Melvin. Um Mr. We have um we have developed we've been working with the county and we're in contact with the uh water management
control people of which there's more than one and we have put together um a compilation of information that indicates what the problems are. It has the data. It has u pictures. It has stuff that we've developed over time and
that's proved to be fairly eyeopening to some folk who are unaware of the issues that may existed around our community. And we're um we're we're not objecting. We're just saying that anything that contributes to that back feed is is
going to be a problem there. And we would offer to any of the council people who are interested. This presentation takes about a half hour. we would be perfectly happy to do it for you. Um either individually or if sunlight laws
u uh permit more than one at a time. Uh some of the county council people have found it very interesting. Gotcha. I got to wrap you up there, but I would encourage you to to meet with our city staff on all of that because they've done a considerable amount of leg work as well and so I think they would
appreciate that information. Okay. Thank you. Very good. Um, Sue Lin. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr. Welcome. Good evening. Yeah, welcome. I'm Sue Lin. I live at 1924 Whisperwood Way in Port Orange. I'm also in the
flyin. I'm here as a member of the community. Um, a lot of what I was going to say has been covered by Mr. Stanley, but I just wanted to bring to your attention that there are already flooding issues in the area that you're considering annexation and also the areas surrounding it. You're familiar
with the Spruce Creek Crossing uh property. It's 127 acres with proposed 100 houses over 100 houses to be built on it. Uh my point here is to say that the proposed annexation of vintage acres
along with the um other development that's being considered would in either one of those individually would be bad for us. The combination of the two is going to be devastating. Uh the last my last point is that I realize
developers like to use the the term entitlements on the land that they're trying to develop. And I would hope that those entitlements include preserving the surrounding areas and not causing damage to the current residents. Developers and land sellers, yes, have
rights, but so do the land owners that already live there. and we the existing land over owners have the right to not be detrimentally affected by reszoning and annexation decisions. So I trust that you'll keep those of us already
here in mind when you make your decision. Thank you. Thank you. Uh I'm going to probably mispronounce this. Jan Jan, what's the last name? Albert. Albert. Thank you. Wasn't sure what that last letter was there. Welcome
Jan. Hi. Welcome, mayor and governing members. My name is Jan Albert. I live at 435 Country Circle Drive East along the creek and there for 40 years, 45 in Valuchia County, and I'm a real estate
appraiser for 53 years, but I'm not here to talk about values. I have a degree in hydrarology and geology. My specialty is water management and evaluating raw land for future subdivision use. This particular vintage
acres is going to back up to my property. I raise donkeys and mules along that end. Um I'm not I'm not even saying anything about the annexation, but I did want to remind you that this
isn't a low impact development. These two developments together, if the other one goes through, are a major impact in the hydraology of the Halifax area. We haven't caught up on the creek and the
basin study is going to show a lot of major issues. And now we have the uh you know the uh exit there at Pioneer cutting into the Doris Leaper. Uh Mr.
John Palmer is head of the uh uh Koko branch of the Army Corps of Engineers and they are very concerned about these things because everything west of airport there is actually going to if if
there's for example 113 homes is going to create about 125 million gallons of storm water for every 5 in rain. And we've had on average over 40 years about six of those a season. So that's a lot
of storm water that's supposed to be confined to that property. And that probably isn't going to happen. It's going to end up in the creek. So I'm not here to talk about whether you should annex or not, but I really hope that if you do annex it that you consider
keeping the density low. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Sharon. Sarah Sarah. Did I pronounce that right? Yeah, I did. All right. Welcome.
Okay. Welcome. Um, yeah, I'm Sharon Sarah and I'm also a uh property owner and resident of Spruce Creek Lion for the last 30 years. Been a real supporter of Fort Orange over the last 30 years. Also, my son grew up here. He was a big YMCA person. You know, he that's where
he went after school. on. It's been a great place for us to live. Our concern is also that by annexing this land um we are going to be put in an extremely bad situation with the flood waters as
Mr. Stanley, Su Larkin and the other woman had talked about. um right now in the last two years, I don't know if everybody's seen the increase in these storms has created just panic during this time of year. Everybody right now
is thinking about August rather than thinking about having a good summer. And so the concern is what's going to happen within the last two years. We've seen the the creek surge up into our streets, which it's ne I'd never seen that happen
before. and it's wiped out driveways. It's it's gone up into homes. So, by adding all of these additional homes to this area, and I'm assuming they'll have to build up areas because it's low some of its low-lying land is that we're going to turn into a fishbowl and the
people who are already here in Spruce Creek are going to suffer the consequences of additional development. So, I just would hope that you all would take a kind of a step back and um get some additional studies on the impact that this is going to have on Quiet
Place in the country, how the impact it's going to have on Spruce Creek. I know you're saying that your services can handle it for Port Orange, but that Port Orange isn't the only affected um community. And so, please think about
your neighbors when you're decision as to whether or not to annex. and also when to annex. You know, just make sure that it's a very sound decision before you enter into this. Thank you. Thank you. Was there anybody else that wanted
to speak to item 16? Welcome, Robert. Thank you, Mayor Council members. Robert Reinhagen, 1425 Dexter Drive North, Port Orange. Um, you know, I went back and I looked at some of my notes from a year ago when there
was a PUD called the hammock over on Meline and it was three parcels and in looking at it um it seemed to me that like 50% of the of the parcels was either wetland or a pond and as a result
the uh developer took all of the all of the houses and put them on one parcel and then um had to fill in some of the wetlands to to do that. And
they wouldn't when when they took this total number, they wouldn't even concede the the the acreage that was devoted to commercial. They kept all of those houses. And the council at that time let them get away with that. And I'm hoping that you won't let them get away with
that here on this development. Uh to me, uh wetlands and ponds need to be protected and therefore the the number of housings permitted should be much less than the 113. That should be a maximum and then
you look to protect the wetlands and reduce that number. Thank you. Thank you, Robert. Thank you very much. Anyone else? All right. Did the We have someone I'm sorry. Come on. Come on. Welcome. Introduce yourself.
Good evening, gentlemen. Uh Jeff Anderson, 345 Country Circle Drive West, uh Port Orange address. Once again, I'm County. Uh quiet place in the country. I live approximately 300 yards from the creek. Um I've owned the property since 96 and lived on property since 2003.
uh the amount I think you guys are kind of getting the tenor of what the concerns are. It's not really about the development as much as what is the development going to do to all of us that have been around there for a long time. Um I'll give you a quick example. One of the problems that we've had in our community is just drainage in
general. Uh coverts underneath streets 30 years old, rotted out, uh need to be replaced, roads fallen in, all that kind of stuff. The problem is is when the county comes out there and takes a look at it, what they don't conceptually understand is the amount of water that
comes through the neighborhood on a afternoon when you get 3 or 4 in of rain, much less the 20 plus inches of rain that we got in 2022. I have a small uh one of the things that concerned me was the last meeting uh it
was referred to as a it was referred to as Spruce Creek River. Uh it's not a river, it's creek. It's a very small estuary. It's not designed to take on the amount of water that it takes on. I have a small estuary that runs through my property that leads to Spruce Creek.
Normally, it's about 3 ft wide, about 6 in deep. Nobody's drowning in it. I have video of my little estuary, 9 to 10 feet deep in the middle, and over 200 feet wide.
It was a raging river. So, it's really about the comprehensive plan because one of the reasons why I think that you that's is trying to get annexed to the city probably thinking it's probably going to be an easier route come to you open hand. Hey, bring me into the city. You guys don't do that much. Look at all
the tax dollars I'm bringing to you. It's not going to come as easily with the county because there's already the problem with uh Creek Crossing trying to get their approval. So there really needs to be a comprehensive plan, not about just the 56 acres for vintage,
whatever it's called. It's about the additional 120ome acres for Creek Crossing because 185 acres are bordering Cru uh Spruce Creek and there that is wetland area. Um we had a couple tours back there. I didn't go on them because
I'm well familiar with the area because I've lived there for all these years. People don't realize that there's areas back there where you're standing 12 ft above the creek during the storms. They weren't 12 ft above the creek. That creek overflowed. It's it's insane how
much undulation there is in the terrain for Florida when you're this close to the coast because it's such a flatlying area. So, I really think there needs to be a comprehensive plan that brings all that together before any decisions are made. Thank you. Thanks, Jeff. Thank you. Thanks, Jeeoff. Anybody else?
Welcome. Hi, I'm Dr. Wendy Gordon Smith. I live in Spruce Creek, 1947, Spruce Creek Landing, and I wrote your manager a letter today. I happen to live
between the village and creek crossing right there. And I can tell you I just bought flood insurance. I'm not in a flood insurance area, but I had to do it. 3 days after my husband passed,
Milton came through. I sat looking out at the pasture because my property abuts that pastor. And I understand capitalistic, you want development, etc. But I sit and think it's beginning to
look like a car dealership here. We moved here 13 years ago. It was beautiful. Now I'm seeing houses and houses and house and houses are sitting empty. Please reconsider what this gentleman
just said. Look at all that area. The deers that used to come through, the river otter coming through, they're disappearing. I'm seeing roadkill. Please.
Thank you. Thank you. Is there anybody else that wanted to speak? All right. Did the applicant or representative of the applicant want to speak? just briefly. Sure. Uh good evening. Uh Joey Posie, 420 South Nova, attorney for
the applicant. And uh you know, just listening to folks talking about their concerns, I I I do want to reassure them, we have the same concerns in mind. We we this was the same discussion that happened at first reading. It's the same ongoing discussion that this developer who happens to be a local gentleman too
and I think I saw in some emails where that may have been a little bit of a confusion with some folks um that uh he is trying to be sensitive to that. And you know the other part that I I really want to reassure them is that tonight's decision is not of consequence as to the end goal of what this looks like. The
only decision being made is is control. You know who's going to make that decision? Um, and you know, again, that requires, like Penny had pointed out at the beginning of the the SAP presentation, we have to engage these neighbors, you know, regardless of what the code says, we would have done it, but we have to. And these are our
neighbors. These are the folks that we're going to be talking to and working through the process. And, you know, we may have done ourselves a disservice by giving the the hypothetical maximums that uh we were looking to to do because I think it got some folks scared, but again, those are hypothetical. They're
they're not in they're not entitlement because of this decision. So, you know, I heard one of the neighbors mention entitlements. Nope, we that's not what this is that's not what's being decided tonight. You know, what's being decided tonight is who's making the decision. So, um you know, other than that, I I
just want to reassure them that we will stay engaged and we are going to have those hard discussions with them because we want to do it the right way. Um you know, especially with the the storm water study I know that I just heard. Um that's a huge concern for us too because we want we don't want to be the problem. So, um, you know, other than that, um,
you know, I'm happy to field questions, but, you know, the this is a very limited question we're asking tonight. So, I I just, you know, instead of going down the rabbit hole, I just want to reassure them that we're we're here. We're we're the decision tonight is not blessing of this project and uh that we
will remain committed to this discussion moving forward. So, that was you can hang tight if you want. Council Green. Yep. Council G. Councilman Foley. I don't think I have any questions for you. Um,
appreciate everybody what you had to say. Tracy, I don't if you have any questions. I was I just I don't have any questions for Mr. Posey right now. No questions for you. Any comments? I do. Go ahead. So, one of the things uh I understand flooding, you know, all of
us right now it's it nobody wants to see it 2 feet from the front door, let alone two feet in your house. Nobody wants that. One of the things that this annexation is deciding is who does get to make that
decision. And and I want to point out that when it came in front of me, I looked at it, it's 52 acres with the density of the county can have four homes on it to bring it to 208 homes as a possibility out there coming into what
they've proposed and things of that nature, which is still not what we're voting on. We dropped it from 208 if we annex it into Port Oranges. you drop that to 113. Where's the magic number? That's still
to be decided and it's still a vote and it's still a different PUD down the road. The reality is is as council sits up here, we have a decision to make is do we want the county to vote on something to put the
possibility of 210 homes out there and you'd have more flooding? I don't think the county would do that, but that is a potential. As Port Orange, we have it knocking it down in half already, and I think it's going to be way lower than that when it
comes forward. At least that's my feeling on it. Mrs. Albert, you bring up strong, very good, solid information. And thank you. As a council, we sit here to try to make decisions of how it's going to
affect everybody's lives. Not today, not tomorrow, but 25, 30 years down the road. That's how I view things. I also view that that as a council, we are trying to fix storm water and flooding
from past councils from 35, 40 years ago. So, it's a vicious circle. to say that we don't want to annex property into here. Anybody's going to look at you and go,
"You're nuts." We do. That's taxation dollars that does help the city to be able to fix storm water. That is a potential down the road that this property could help the city versus going 100% to the county.
But dollars or cents, I'm not looking at that. What I am looking at is that we can try to govern the property to be less homes of half of what it could potentially be. As far as Spruce Creek tributary and the
other property of the other 100 acres, that's county. Unfortunately, we we don't have a a vote or a say in that. we can stand with you and I would be more than glad to do that at county council meetings and having
those conversations with them with you and I tell you to reach out to me and I'll be more than glad to do that. But tonight's vote is dealing with the annexation of the land who's going to be able to say what that land can be used for.
city has already designed 100 homes, 110 homes versus the 208. Um, but that's that's the beginning. This is just talking about the property, who gets to decide that, not how many
homes are going on it. That's a that's another several meetings and conversations coming into this down the roadway. But it is a concern and that's why we have to sit here and I look at it as being
who or which engineers get to put that in place. And I will tell you the engineering team and staff that we have on Port Orange right now is phenomenal. So I would like to have that uh be on our side as we go into this for y'all.
Scott, did you want to? So, I just want to talk a little about this and you know I when Spruce Creek developed that neighborhood and Waterway Place and Springwater Lane
and South Creek Boulevard, Fail View Drive, Steamboat Ridge, I think all the people around these neighborhoods had the same concerns. You're gonna flood us out. That's what you're going to do. You're
gonna flood my farm out. You're going to flood my Lacy Lane out. You're going to flood Lisa Lane out. You're going to flood Russell Drive. You're going to flood all out there in Country Circle because those homes were there long long before that development was uh finalized out there on Waterway Place and
Springwater Lane because the houses are a lot newer. When you take an aerial view of that, you can see what that developer did. He protected that 50 acres that we're talking about tonight by retention and he didn't flood that community
and that would have never been approved. So you look at that 52 acres or whatever the number is 54 acres we're looking at today. When when 22 in of rain hits that
right now, where does it go? it it doesn't stay there. It's flowing right now. And when we develop that, we're going to control it. And that's the rule. Just like just like Spruce Creek did, they're not flooding that
farm. And if you are, shame on you. But they're not. I mean, there's a very well-defined retention pond running along the north side of this subject property. very well- definfined one. And right now, 22
inches of rain hits that vacant land with no trees on it. Where does it go? Where does it go? It stays there. You've got to be kidding me. It is does not stay there. It does not stay there. Water's edge. Water's edge was a sod
farm. Did the water stay in that sod farm? it ran to the the the least resistance place it could and no one was managing it. So when we move this into Port Orange's property, we're going to be able to control it. We're going to be able to tell the developer it's it's by
law. It's clearly right here. It states that once the site is developed, the volume and flow rate of discharge storm water from the on-site water storm water system into public conveyance systems, which is the swailes along Russell Road
and Charles Street, must not exceed the discharge volume and flow rate from when the site was undeveloped under the 100red-year storm ritorm standard and land development code. So,
we're going to hold them to that just like Spruce Creek development was. So, that's just I want you guys to look at that and have um I I can't say have confidence in it. That's because I've had people come to me over the last
couple months saying, "Man, I've lived here four years. I've never flooded. In the last two years, I flooded." Like, wait a second. You lived here 40 years. You never flooded. And then in the last two years, you flooded. Why? Why did you flood the last
two major storms? It's because of the amount of rain. I If you have lived in a home for 40 years and you've never flooded, things are working. They're working. So, right now,
is Springwater Lane retention pond flooding this 56 acres when it rains? It's not. So, so there we're gonna talk about we're going to talk about this this what we
can control and what we're voting on tonight is something that we can control and not leave it up to the county because the countyy's in a lawsuit right now for flooding neighborhoods. So, I'm not going to have any trust in them.
So, um, I just wanted to share that and I want to know and our engineers can maybe help us. Where does that water go today? The path of least resistance probably right into your retention pond and we can stop that.
I'm good. Where's the We can't do that from the seats, guys. Sorry. Any other comments? Yeah, I I got a first a question. Uh I Tracy with respect could you explain where you're getting the number 208 for county homes because I had not understood where that was coming from. You go into Valuchia County urban
load density. Okay. Uh four units per acre. Four units per acre and you're just ma mathematically okay. I was just curious where that number was coming from. Penny can clarify that for you if you'd like her to. Could you Penny? I just I was trying to figure out how how annexing it in takes the ceiling from
208 to the 113 there. Penelopey cruise planning it does not. Um there's only a portion of the property that has that designation. Um other portions of the property have an agriculture resource. So um right now when you look at the gross of it, it's actually 19 homes.
Yeah. Because they're larger lot like the majority of the property has an a an a zoning that requires like 10acre lots. those large rural subdivisions. Okay. So, because I want to make sure whatever we're saying, we want to be factual. That's what's in the staff report. So, the entire property had the higher density, you'd get to that number. If it's a small portion of the property,
it's got it's got portions that have the higher density and portions that have a lower. So, when you add it together, you get 19. If if it had that category across the whole thing, then yes, it would be a maximum performance. And and I'm sure it's an honest mistake. Yes. But then I made it I made it originally when I was looking at their maps. But
let me ask the question then, Penelopey. If they if somebody went towards the county and asked the question to reszone it the same way, they could still do that. Anybody has the right to ask um it would be up to their council to approve it or not. Correct. It's a potential.
Correct. Okay. Okay. Just like they they had the right to ask us for more and and and your city staff basically said, "Don't come forward with anything more than two units per acre. We won't we will not recommend approval for anything more than that because that's what's in the area. That's what's appropriate for
to be consistent and compatible with that area. Okay? And I mean no disrespect. I I apologize. I just wanted to make sure I I got the correct information in front of me here before I start kind of giving some comments. All right. Um because we this is not the
first time that uh Mr. suppos he's been before is with a project where he has you know brought something forward like Meline Commons and I I will say um I was very pessimistic about working on with him on that project. In fact, I believe I voted no the first one or two times
but throughout the process with that project they have done a vast amount of storm water improvements and they have done partnerships with the school to improve safety there. They have shown me that they're he's interested in trying to work with the community. I also
appreciate that when they're coming forward and asking for this annexation into the city of Port Orange, that's it's not, oh, we don't know what we want to do with the property yet, they're being very forthcoming and saying, hey, this is what we're looking at doing. There's a lot of transparency that I'm seeing from the applicant. And that
lends me to want to entrust to move forward to the next step with them. That being said, I also do believe, look, I got flooded twice. I live here in Port Orange. I live over in Sleepy Hollow. I got flooded in Ian and I got flooded in Milton. And those are two things I can
promise you if I have a third child will not be considered for names, right? I cannot stand them. I'm also uh I'm a member of Spruce Creek Golf Course, right? I play over there all the time because I'm not good enough to uh play Cypress Head. It hurts the budget too
much if I play there. So anyway, my point being this applicant is coming forward and saying this is what they're trying to do and being honest with us about it. It's important that I I I believe it's important that our staff and our
engineers have a seat at the table to make sure that we are doing the best we can to hold them to the highest of standards to the letter of the law to protect all of us in the city of Port Orange. I know you guys are technically county, but you're still our neighbors,
and so we want to do what's right. Um I I have a good feeling about working with this project. That doesn't mean when the application comes forward after we annex this in and they come forward and they want to develop, if he comes forward with 150 homes, I can tell you I'm going
to be a fast no, right? But I want a seat at the table and I want a voice and I want the ability to have that conversation. If we don't annex it, they're just going to probably go to the county and try to get it an or try to get the zoning done there. So, I don't
think us saying no is going to change what's going to happen. It's going to change who is sitting at the table. And I would prefer for me and this council and our staff to have that seat. So, that's where I stand with it. And I hope you can understand why I feel that way.
I hope I've explained it to some degree. Okay, good. That's good. Uh, so just a couple brief comments that I wanted to make. So I'm a born and raised resident. So I've lived here all my life. I live out in this geographical area for the last 20 plus years of my life. So I'm
very familiar with the area, very familiar with the Spruce Creek Flyin. And and the one thing I do want to make sure doesn't go without being talked about is the residents that live in the Spruce Creek flyin live in a community that could not be built that way today.
And that's because the majority overwhelmingly of the Spruce Creek flying and I'm not 100% sure about Quiet Place but probably similar there but that was majority built and developed prior to 1999 the storm water standards and requirements were not in effect like
they are today. And so regardless of this piece of property or any other piece of property now those standards and requirements are significantly higher. gentleman mentioned 1,598 properties in the flyin and I'll take your word for that. If you just look at
a Google Earth image, a satellite image, W's Edge neighborhood, which is where I live, has about,240 homes yet exponentially more retention. And that's because that development was built after those standards went into effect and the city
required that that retention level be significantly higher. There is there is a way that the engineers can determine a piece of property and how much water that piece of property will actually hold as is today. And it's not that much in Florida. I'll just be honest with
you. In some cases, it might only be two or three or 4 inches and then it's running off. Whichever way the topography leads, it's going somewhere. So, if there were no homes in these areas and we in this area gets 20 inches of rain, that area is flooded. Homes are not.
those those storms that we have seen which we have become very you know concerned with we we get that we have seen some two two storms in four years that are total historical anomalies. It may be the new norm. We don't know that.
We hope it's not but but we are working diligently to try to improve our infrastructure, try to have higher standards, try to mitigate as much as possible. But 20-in storms are totally a different thing. That being said, the
these areas, any areas, whether it's this piece of parcel that we're talking about or or the other one that that I know there's some concerns with or anything else in Valuchia County or the state of Florida, they will be built to different standards, folks, and they will be held to different standards. But a lot of areas like the Spruce Creek
flyin don't have that retention capability. So, I don't know if that brings any level of comfort or maybe just clarifies some things, but there will have to be significant storm water infrastructure and higher standards than some of the the older developments. So,
that that is something that our staff and this in this body has to hold those developers to and we will absolutely do that. Um and and and if you look at a lot of those developments that have been built in, you know, west of 95 in the city limits, you will see that if you
look at those satellite images, whether that's Cypress Head, Wat's Edge, Sanctuary, Sterling Chase, Ashton Lakes, it it's unmistakable. Those are not natural lakes that you are seeing. Those are retention ponds that are man-made and built to retain that water and that
storm water. And there is only so much you can retain water levels. We all we all know that, you know, you have a you have shallow water levels underneath the earth here in Florida in most cases, especially if you're coastally oriented. So, there are limitations to that. But, but in any regard, I just wanted to make
sure that that that we commented on that and that those standards would be held to and applied. And I and I I completely appreciate everybody coming. Uh, I know most everybody that spoke tonight are residents of the flyin or quiet place and you're not residents of city of Portland, but we want you to know that
you're welcome and that your comments and and in and participation in this process, however it goes and moving forward, it's you're you guys are always welcome to that. So, we thank you very much for that and and for those that sent emails, uh, the I haven't got a chance to respond to all of them, but I
appreciate that and I have read them as well. So, all right, enough of that. Any other comments? We're good. Awesome. All right. So, clerk, call the role on second reading of ordinance number 2025-14 on the annexation of vintage acres. Council, yes. Council Ger, yes.
Council Green, yes. Vice Mayor Groves, yes. Mayor Sley, yes. 50. Item number 17, second reading of ordinance number 2025-16, reszoning of 422 Jefferson Avenue. Mr. City attorney. An ordinance in the city
of Orange County, Florida reszoning property located at 422 Jefferson Avenue consisting of approximately.26 acres from community commercial CC to neighborhood preservation preservation NP authorizing revision of official zoning atlas and providing an effective
date. Move to approve second reading of ordinance number 2025-16. Second. I have a motion and a second for approval of items number 17. Council, any comments on second reading for this one? Nope. No. Any comments from the
public? I don't see Robert getting up. So, back to council. Last but the apple council, anything? Nope. Clerk, call the role. Second reading ordinance number 2025-16. Council, yes. Yes. Council Green, yes.
Vice Mayor, yes. Mayor, yes. 5 brings us to council committee reports. Uh first step shelter Councilman Sean Gford. We did not have a meeting this June. We'll be back in July. Excellent. And how about uh Port Orange South Dakota Chamber of Commerce. Yes. Just want to
mention that July 25th they have a fundraiser for their casino night. So they're looking for sponsors and participants. So it was a fun night. Also, uh we had our echo gov meeting uh last Thursday and went very well with the four cities and uh met down at Pon
Inlets Community Center and it was really nice and uh the chamber's doing good. Good. And the just to comment on the chamber, the u Barbara Anne and the uh the the president of the chamber have asked to meet with me. I think the title is the president of the chamber, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh have asked to meet
with me. So, I'll be meeting with them next week. President. Yeah. and I'll report back to you guys on on what's on their mind. So, okay. Any other items to come before us tonight? All right. Well, have a great night.