Please rise for silent invocation followed by pledge of allegiance which will be led uh this evening by Atlantic High School ROC. [clears throat] Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you guys. Don't go away. I'd like to take a moment to have you guys introduce yourselves. Tell us what grade you're in >> and what your plans are after high
school when you graduate from Atlantic High School. Welcome. >> Good evening. I'm cadet First Lieutenant Miller. I am in 10th grade and after high school I would like to be a Blue Angels pilot. >> All right. >> Um I am Cadet First Lieutenant Linda Meyer and I'm in 10th grade and after um
high school I want to go and be a um I don't know actually We're gonna we're going to give you another year to work on that. >> Go right ahead. Welcome. >> Uh thank you. Uh I am Cadet Senior Master Sergeant Rodriguez. I am in 12th grade and I want to be an EMT driver.
>> Nice. >> Excellent. >> My name is Cadet Charles Lindmar and I'm in 10th uh 12th grade and what I want to do after high school is I want to be a pilot. >> Nice. >> Excellent. >> So listen, we definitely are going to be looking for some flyovers at city centers.
>> You got I got you covered. I >> mean, I hate to get you to commit early, but you're going to kind of have to commit, you know what I mean? So, we'd love to see that. Well, thank you guys for all being here this evening and for for everything you guys do to serve your community and what you guys intend to do to serve after high school. So,
>> thank you, sir. [applause] >> Call the role, please. >> Councilman Bowling, >> here. Councilman Gford, >> here. Councilman Green here. Vice Mayor Grubs here. Mayor Stilton >> here. All right. It's an honor to welcome uh Florida Senator Tom Wright and House
Representative Chase Traymont this evening. They got a little uh presentation for us. [applause] >> Welcome. >> Oh, you guys. [laughter] >> Well, Chase has got some things to talk about. I'll just say a little bit because people in the audience might
like to hear about this. And it's really always a pleasure to come and support the city of Port Orange. Um, and we're celebrating tonight two very important infrastructure investments. And I want to thank the mayor and the members of the council up here and the city manager and public works personnel and many city
employees who have been involved and help develop and advance these projects. These projects address two of the most basic responsibilities of local government. Maintaining reliable wastewater infrastructure and protecting residents from flooding. I was proud to
advocate for both projects along with Chase Traymont uh because they address clearly the identified needs and represent sound investments in this city's future. It has been one of my greatest honors to continue to serve in the Senate and to help deliver resources
directly to cities like Port Orange. So tonight we're proud to present the city of Port Orange with a check for1,982,500 in state funding and that is for two projects. One is 750,000 for the Charles Street wastewater lift station
rehabilitation and the other is 12 1,232,500 for the Portona Porttona storm water ponds and infrastructure upgrades. So with that, Chase, will you help me with this heavy check? It's like one man carry. [laughter]
>> He He works out. >> So, we have the check here for you all tonight. As you know, we always put them on big checks, so you can't take him to the drive-thru. [laughter] >> Actually, go in the bank and put it in there. >> Nice. >> I love it. If you gentlemen don't mind, hold right there. We're going to come down and and take a picture with you.
We'll gladly accept that. [applause] Robin, >> we're going to bring some of our staff members going up and custo. >> Yes. Just so so the audience knows, I mean, the city is very good about coming and telling us what they need. Sometimes
there's cities that don't take that time to actually come and then they're disappointed when they don't get from the state. It's it's a it's a team effort, not just the senator and house rep, but the community that's involved with receiving the money. So you guys really do a good job representing your
state. >> Everybody look forward real for it. Anybody else? I think we're good. >> All right. [applause] Yes. >> [clears throat]
>> So, I just I just wanted to um I I know that it may be a while before we get to see Senator Wright coming up here and give it big checks, but we we appreciate your advocacy and championing for the city of Port Orange and all and all of us county. You know, um especially with
these storm water mitigation projects, as you both know, water goes downhill. It does not respect geographical boundaries or city limits or county limits or any of that kind of stuff. And so there is a a huge undertaking by not only the city of Port Orange but a lot of municipalities to to do our best to
try to mitigate this. And they are big ticket projects and we just cannot none of us when I say none of us I mean the cities. None of the cities can do this without the partnership of the state legislature and the senate getting involved in and helping us with these fundings. and and and to your credit,
both of you and your staff, every time we go to Tallahassee, they help us navigate the process and they do it early. They do it way before the mayor and the council gets up there. They do it with our staff. We hear that from staff and and I don't know that we have thanked your staffs enough and you for
your staff. Um because as you guys all know, when we get up there, you guys already know why we're coming. you guys have already been briefed on projects and we get to to have some good moments of your time and let you get on with the business because the staffs have done all that work behind the scenes. And so
navigating Tallahassee is not easy. For those that have never done it, I assure you if you just showed up, you are lost. You are totally lost. Um you guys have helped you guys have helped open doors for us. Um your doors always are open. We know that. We're grateful for for
that. But the doors you help us open and your staff help us open. That that's really what matters the most. That's how we have been successful. You guys have had the support from your colleagues up there who we go and meet with and and they tell us all the time that you've already spoke with us and and things
like that. So, just wanted to say thank you again. Um it's it's very difficult for municipalities to go up there and compete. Uh but you have to do it. It's part of the process. Um, and you're grateful if you go up there one year, you get a nice check and a lot of times you may not get another check for a year
or two because there's a lot of ask and we've been very fortunate to string some years together which has helped tremendously in our city and and you guys certainly have played a huge role in that. So, we thank you guys very much and I'm going to give these guys a chance to weigh in as well. Vice Mayor,
[clears throat] >> you did a phenomenal job with that. Uh, Scott, and he's right, coming up there and walking through the halls of Tallahassee, it's it's overwhelming. And having our staff be able to meet with your staff to get us the availability and the timing for this is just crucial.
And then coming back to back years with the proceeds that have come directly from you guys from Tallahassee is just amazing. Um, we have lots of projects as y'all know, and every dollar and cent counts. So, these are already earmarked
for major projects and there's still major projects to come. So, thank you for now and in the future. >> Yeah, I'm just going to echo what everyone else has to say here, man. Uh we really appreciate all the hard work you guys do. I don't think um it's often said enough the time you spend away from
your families uh in order to serve the residents and by providing this funding to us and and being here it allows us to provide for our residents and and we're very grateful for all the work you do and it's true Scott I don't think we've ever taken the time to thank you for your staff but but give them our
appreciation as well. You know, we're only good as the we're only as good as the people who work here in this building behind us. And I know you guys feel similarly, and I I just appreciate your service and your commitment to just trying to better the city of Port Orange. >> Sean, >> well, just uh it's going to be sad not
to have you up there, Tom, next year. You've done you've done so much for our community, for veterans, and obviously for our city and funding, and you always had a a a welcome door for some humiliating thing we would give you as a gift, a bobblehead or [laughter] whatever that might have been.
>> That was cool. >> That very well. >> That was cool. >> Yeah. Good. Good. But thank you for everything you've done. And Chase, you got a lot of work still left to do up there. So, go get reelected and and thank you for for uh for everything you've done for Port Orange. And this
funding is very very important. We appreciate it. >> Again, I'm going to echo what these guys said. Again, uh being up there for the first time this year and learning that you got to have friends in high places. And uh to have you guys up there to to help us and support us was unbelievable.
And and not only that, for the people you guys know. And again, our our uh >> our lobbyist, Mr. Pitman there. I mean, that guy, he knows everybody in the building. He knows who to who to send us to. and and uh but again to to know we can fall back on you guys for support
was was huge and uh we appreciate it very very much and uh Tom again thank you for all your years of service sir we we appreciate everything you've done for our community over the years thank you so much >> very much >> thank you >> any final words Senator Wright if not we're going to give uh I know you got >> Traymont a chance to
>> Yes it's just really been an honor to try and help you in every way that we can and and I've enjoyed every minute of it and uh you'll probably see me again in a couple Sounds good. Awesome. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. >> Don't be a stranger. You're always welcome here in these chambers. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much.
>> Representative Traymont, tell us what's going on in Tallahassee. >> Sure. >> In the off session, right, if there's ever such a thing. >> That's right. Well, first of all, I I'll I'll say thank you guys. Um and and congratulations to you because you know, this was not an easy year for appropriations, as you know. uh you
know, we're I I think the first and only state in the in the entire union that reduced willingly reduced our spending uh in a non-emergency uh season, if you will. So almost $3 billion, I think, Senator, fewer dollars uh than previous
uh sessions. So that means a lot of cuts and a lot of people didn't get money who are used to getting money. to come out on top as well as we did. Um, [clears throat] yes, we worked hard and there's an arc to uh to appropriations and no one is more skilled at that uh than Senator Reich because sometimes, you know, we won't get something funded
in the House. A portion of it will be kept alive in the Senate or vice versa and you got to figure out a way to horse trade and keep something in there. Uh but nevertheless, so much of that effort comes from you guys coming up because when our when I go and I see our chairman uh for whatever whatever
subcommittee that those things are going through, they remember visiting with you or other members remember visiting with you and that that stuff helps. Uh so and and again, you are well very well represented with uh with Pitman Law Group as well because it takes more than just us going up there because they're
working on it when we're working on bills and other things of that nature. So, and it's easy when you ask for the things that you're asking for because you know I and of course Port Orange is this my home. So, I'm going to work extra hard for the city of Port Orange. No question about it. But it makes it easier when we're asking for things of
of flood mitigation. You know, like I've told you I may not fight as hard for you with uh uh you know with a park or something of that nature, even though that's good. But if I have a to choose between expanding a park or saving somebody's home from being flooded, I'm going to go with that every single time.
So, uh, the strategy that we have here in Port Orange is definitely working. Uh, so continue to do that and keep up the efforts. The other thing that I'll mention is just a little update, um, on the property tax amendments because I know we've discussed that before in the past as well. There was a ruling today, and this is for the public, anyone's
paying attention. Little misunderstanding as far as what people are thinking about. There was a ruling by by the uh the the court today to strike down just the language of the summary and the title of the amendment. it doesn't rule the amendment invalid. Uh that is still going to go forward. So
right now that just needs to be rewritten because they said that the language uh was more in a um political [clears throat] fashion where it's trying to promote uh the the the approval or support of it. So it has to come back a little bit more neutral. The the attorney general's office has 10
days to rewrite it and then go back through the process. So just wanted to clear that up in case there's any other confusion out there. But that's the only update I have in regards to that. Thank you very much. And you know, you're definitely always welcome here. And anytime you need to kick Tracy out of the seat, we're always willing. We're always willing to do that for you. You
know, we change the name up there and >> yeah, >> you don't always have to stand. So, >> we're very happy that Tracy is my representative here. Uh, so I appreciate your service and all you guys. Uh, and I've got a couple songs that I want to send you. [laughter] >> All right. I >> I'm going back in the studio in like a month. I need some ideas.
>> I got you covered. All right. >> Thank you very much, R. >> Thank you, guys. >> Have a good night. >> THANK YOU, JAY. [applause] ALL RIGHT, THAT'S GOING to um bring us to item five, public comments on consent agenda items only. We have any public comments tonight on consent agenda items?
>> We do. >> Six through >> nine. Nine. >> Let's see. What do we got? Nine. >> Yep. >> Nine. >> Robert, good to see you. Welcome. >> Thank you, mayor, council members. Robert Reinhagen, 1425 Dexter Drive,
Port Orange. Um, I wanted to discuss item 8, the approval of the HUD CDBG 5-year consolidated plan. Um, I I did speak about this at the last council meeting, and I still support the idea of
having a OBSman type of person and using the money for that. But also um on page four of the consolidated plan four or five there are three items that are still to be depend to be determined and
they have to do with the summary of the comments by the public and so that's not there and I certainly want to be sure that my comments get in there. Um so I can't I don't understand how you can approve it with that absent. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you Robert. Thank you, Robert. >> Anyone else for consent agenda items 6 through 9? Seeing none, back to council. The clerk call the role. >> I'd like to motion to approve consent agenda 6 through9. >> Second.
>> A motion in a second. >> Um, let's see. Yeah, we have a resolution. Call roll. >> Councilman Fully. >> Yes. >> Council Ger, >> yes. >> Councilman Green, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Krebs, >> yes. >> Mayor Ser, >> yes. 50 bring us to item 10, water professionals
month for a proclamation. Whereas the city of Fort Orange proudly recognizes August 2026 as Florida Water Professionals Month. And whereas this proclamation celebrates the dedication and hard work of water industry professionals who ensure the production and distribution of safe drinking water
and the proper collection, treatment, reuse, and disposal of waste water and storm water. And whereas these professionals play a crucial role in protecting the health of Florida's citizens and our state's natural resources. And whereas this proclamation acknowledging the tireless efforts of
these essential first responders. And whereas this recognition aligns with the state's ongoing commitment to water quality, protection, and conservation highlighted by the bipartisan support of Senate Bill 712, the Clean Waterways Act, which aims to minimize nutrient
pollution and protect our water quality. Now therefore, I, Scott Stiltner, mayor of the city of Port Orange, do hereby proclaim the month of August as water professionals month. Welcome, sir. >> Welcome. How are you? >> How are you? >> Steve Parnell, public utilities. >> Thank you so much. >> Tell us about your staff and what's
going on down there in public utilities. >> Well, I'm happy to accept this on the on behalf of the 60 plus true public water professionals we have that work for the city. Um, they work 247, you know, maximizing operations and conserving water and doing everything on behalf of
the the citizens. So, um, it's a non-stop job. It water comes in, water's got to go. So, they keep it running smoothly. Um, they're a great team. We're very proud of them. So, >> it's the one thing that I think our residents use every single day in their home. They
may not watch TV. They may not turn the AC on. They may not use the stove. They may not use the washer and the dryer, but somewhere in that house, every single day, water is getting used in one fashion or another. So, we uh we appreciate everything you and your team do to make sure that that happens every day without thought in most most days,
right? Without thought. So, let me bring this on down to you. >> Thank you, Steve. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. [applause] Steve, I think next month is uh HVAC appreciation month. >> It should have probably been this month. We'll work on that. [laughter]
A little warm in here. All right. Can't miss an opportunity for a little warm humor, right? All right. That brings us to D. Eastport Business Center CRA meeting. So, at this time, we will recess as the Port Orange City Council, and we will magically reappear as the
Eastport Business Center commu uh CRA and turn this over to Chairman Grubs. >> Okay. I call the regular meeting of the Eastport Business Center Community Redevelopment Agency to order. Uh clerk, would you please call the role? >> Sean Ger >> here. John
>> here. >> Scott Stoner >> here. >> Vice Chair Lans >> here. >> And Chair Tracy Groves >> here. So, are there any objections uh to the notice of the meeting? Hearing no objections, the notice is
accepted. Do I hear a motion to approve the minutes of the March 17th, 2026 meeting of the Eastport Business Center Community Redevelopment Agency? >> So moved. >> I hear a second. >> Second. >> Okay. Item three is a resolution number
26-1, Eastport Business Center, CR. Yep. Voice vote. All in favor? >> I >> I [clears throat and cough] hear no nazs. All votes. Okay. Item three is resolution number 26-01
Eastport Business Center CRA tax uh increment district uh fiscal year 2027 operating budget. May I have a motion on item three in the resolution number 26-01? >> Motion to approve item 3, resolution number 26-01.
>> Second. Okay. Move to approve the resolution 26-01 approving the Eastport Business Center CRA. >> Point of order. Mr. Chairman, if I could just reassert my motion in full, my apologies because I know that the city attorney will would appreciate that. So,
move to approve resolution number 26-01 approving the Eastport Business Center CRA tax increment district for the fiscal year 2027 operating budget. >> And I keep my second for that. >> Thank you. Okay. Here in the second, we
have a motion on the floor and a proper second. Ask comments uh from the CRA members. >> None. >> None. Hearing none. Final comments from the CRA members prior >> call for public comments. Point order.
>> Okay. Call for public comments. Hearing none. Final comments to the CRA members prior to vote. >> None. >> No. >> No comment. No comment. Clerk, call the rule. >> Sean, >> yes. >> Jonathan, >> yes. >> Scott, >> yes.
>> Vice Chair Lin, >> yes. >> Chair, >> yes. And any further business to be brought before the members of Eastport Business Center? >> Nope. There being none, I will adjourn this meeting and pass the gavl back to
Councilman Jeff for the town center CRA meeting. >> How's that? Yeah. >> I call this regular meeting of this uh Port Orange Town Center Community Redevelopment Agency to order. Clerk, please uh call the role. >> Jonathan
>> here. >> Here >> Scott >> here. Chairman Sean >> here. Are there any objections to the notice of the meeting? Hearing none, this notice is accepted. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes of the March 17, 2026 meeting of
the Port Orange Town Center Community Redevelopment Agency? So moved. >> Second. >> All right. Motion to second. Uh all in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. >> Um item three is a resolution number 2601, Port Orange Town Center CRA Tax
Increment District for year 2027 operating budget. May I have a motion on item three, resolution number 26-1, please? Chair, I'd like to make a motion to move to approve resolution number 2601 approving the Port Orange Town Center CRA tax increment district for fiscal
year 2027 operating budget. >> Can I have a second, please? >> Second. >> All right, we have a motion on the floor and a proper second. Does anyone from the membership have any comments about this? No. Okay. Anyone from the public have any comments?
There being none, final comments from the CR members prior to the vote? None. Okay, please uh clerk call the role. >> Jonathan Foley, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Tracy, >> yes. Vice Mayor Vice, >> yes. >> And chairman,
>> yes. Any further business to be brought uh before the members of the Port Orange Town Center Community Center Ready Development Agency. Uh there being none, I hereby adjourn this meeting and we'll pass the gavl back to the mayor to resume regular city council meeting. And that now brings us back into session as the Fort Orange City Council where we are now at public
participation non-aggenda [clears throat] items. Michelle, welcome. >> Good evening and thank you for having me speak tonight. Um, of course I live for protection reasons. I can't say where I live. I do live here in Port Orange. I
have been hurt by the Fiser vaccine and I'm the only one that's been out of the state out of the US to get proof that I am having spike in my body over 2,000 days. Corey Mills knows, Senator Wright knows, most of the senator knows, Latapo
knows, but I had to do a Sunshine Law 119 and do an internal investigation because the epidemiology department of Latapo will not take my information. And the threeletter agencies are trying to hide me because they're doing short-term studies, not long-term studies because
in case you don't realize, I'm having a hard time breathing. I my B cells and T- cells are tanking. I am moving into cancer now. I am being watched for Alzheimer's. I had to go to Germany to get my blood washed over there because they do not have the treatment here in
the US. I lost my job. being one that has been spoken on Governor DeSantis round table, I have been abandoned. And then I see Senator Wright here. He did a lot of good things for me, Cory Mills. If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have got my
um what do you call it? Disability and Medicare. But the problem is I spoke three years in a row on the legislation delegation meeting and when I came back from Germany it was his job to make sure that my spike protein was put into the FDA the CD the threeletter agencies and
he didn't. So he's gone. He knows that I'm a little upset with him. I have all the documentations and they know it. If you look at it you can look on Pacer and you can also see that I have a lawsuit going too. I before I die, I finally get to see one
of my oldest son have a grandchild and that's all I wanted to do. But it's pushing me into cancer. It's nice that people come here and shake hands and meet each other in Tallahassee. But people like me, constituents that have lived here and raised my kids, all three of them, and they're all in the
military, every single one of them. And you even know that I raised wonderful children and my city is abandoning me. Jeff Bower Brower, he knows me very well. He's putting in letters for me and everything else. But why isn't it my own city doing
it when I've lived here and raised my kids here my whole entire life? So, I'm expecting a little bit more from my city because you will be seeing my name more. You will be seeing it in the headlines. And it's their job to pass on this information instead of hide me and
abandon me because my death, my life is worth more. I took this shot just so I could see one of my kids come in to to Mayport and that was the only reason why I took that vaccine and now it's killing me. I have all the documentations and I
will not be hit anymore. You will see me like you wouldn't believe me and I will go out with a bang. >> At that note, have a great day. >> See you. Lee, >> welcome sir. >> As most of you know me already, I'm Lee.
Live here in Port Orange. Um, I'm here tonight to urge you guys to reconsider the use of flock cameras in Port Orange. I'm here because I believe protecting public safety should never come at the expense of protecting the constitutional rights of the people you represent. These cameras don't just capture the
license plates of suspected criminals. They record the movements of everyone who drives past them. Everyday, law-abiding citizens have their vehicles photographed with details highlighted, their location recorded, and their travel history stored in a nationwide
searchable database. Um, I've seen them going up over the bridge, Nova, Lowe's. Um, I'd just like to urge the council to stand on the side of privacy, transparency, and the constitution. Um,
the people of Port Orange deserve both safety, and freedom. We should never be forced to choose between the two. So, >> thanks, sir. >> Thank you. >> All right. Council member comments this evening. Lance, we're going to start with you tonight. Um, just real quick, [clears throat] I just want to make a
note that um, Port Orange lost a long time resident and longtime I call him a pioneer in Billy Joe Pototts. Billy Joe Pots died uh, July 20th. Um, I called him Uncle Billy Joe. He's one of my dad's oldest friends. I think my
dad's first roommate when they were 14. Um, but Billy Joe was a u a master electrician here locally for years and years and years. eventually came on to be a city inspector for many many years. And let me tell you something, he he was
the long arm of the law when it came to having inspections and um cuz you know they always say the the best inspector is a guy who's been in the business. So, and that he was um he also was a cur curator of Cracker Creek. And when you
visited Cracker Creek, he had this he was a great big man, big tall man. And he wore he wore that that uh that part very very well and played that part very very well. Um but he was um again 80
about 88 years old lived here his whole life and um he was definitely a uh a great citizen for Port Orange and we're going to miss him. >> And many times he rode in the Christmas parade with your dad >> and those two dudes would show up with some serious candy. I mean not just
bringing in a little box or a few bags. them guys. One year I know they showed up with a huge cooler and that thing was slapful and Billy was just slinging that candy and smiling and they were throwing it out by the handfuls and he was having a bl >> more than Sean. >> More than Sean. [laughter] >> Yeah. Listen, those two guys can put
some candy out on the street for sure during those. >> So, he'll be a mess. >> Christmas parade. So, thank you for bringing that up. What else you got for us? >> That's it. >> Sean, >> you just let the public know why they canled this last year's Christmas parade. >> Candy budget. >> Yeah. No, I have nothing today. All
right, Tracy >> Dun boat ramp >> getting closer and closer. Can't wait. End of August. It's looking good. It's uh coming to uh the finishing point. So hopefully everybody's ready to be able to launch on that side. >> If you haven't went down there, it's
absolutely amazing how it's coming together. Um, in the last weekly we had a uh land management division and local boy scout uh that was working on an Eagle Scout project um in our uh land
development in the city of forestry. One of the cool things was is the Eagle Scout project was putting up batouses and I know every now and then we have um people that's asking about mosquito control and things of that nature but it's an allnatural way. We have 26
parks. Um, just saying as a proposal out there for any Eagle Scout U that's looking for a way to do projects, we got 26 parks that would just love to have more batouses. And I'm sure the local
community would love that also that we could put that together at a a very low to no cost for the community, but also a very unique safety item that we're not having to do aerial sprays. So, just something to think about. Um, I know we got soil and water conservation uh
[clears throat] Chris Cunningham out there. She would agree with me on this one. Uh, but at the same time, um, with her position with Valuchia County Soil Water Conservation, uh, we have some grants that are coming up available for us for those properties
that FEMA has turned over to us. So hopefully with staff we can work towards uh tree banks money being able to use grant money from the county that it comes to no cost uh to the city to
replant these properties that we can have urban parks inside these small communities. So something to look forward to for you guys later. That's it. >> Mr. Foley, >> nothing tonight, mayor. >> Nothing tonight. Good to see you. Uh the
part of the downside of going last during council comments is these guys usually cover everything. But uh I I did want to comment um the boat ramp thing. It it has really come along. >> Um I think that a lot of people who were upset when they heard the initial it was
going to take so long didn't realize exactly what was going to happen. but those that have followed it to see what was involved in doing what they've done >> to basically rebuild a 40-year [clears throat] structure. Um it's it's been pretty impressive and they're ahead of schedule
and so um we all look forward to that and know that the city manager and his staff is going to try to put something together so that we can all make sure that our our community and our public knows that hey, it's open, it's ready for use, all that good kind of stuff. Um, some of the feedback I've gotten,
um, just for you folks to, and we've talked about this in the past, is some people have asked, why haven't we extended the the dock back towards Seabird Island to give more room for boats to kind of tie up and kind of stage up and things like that? And the simple answer is we don't own that
property. Um, there is private property that is underwater, but it's not ours. And so, we can't put docks on it. We can't do things like that. So, was that that comes up? That was something that we can talk about. The that staging dock is if they haven't already put it back
in place, it is to be put back in place. So that portion that was still there will be there. >> I'd be willing to uh put my boat in for pictures and stuff just to let everybody know that I'll be willing to volunteer for that. >> Well, truth is your your wife does a better job at that. So maybe we'll recruit her. >> That's what I meant.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure. Um [clears throat] so anyway, we're looking forward to that. that that is great to see that project come to fruition. That whole causeway area, a lot of good stuff going on on the east side. Uh I've as as these folks up here have, I have also
had comments and compliments from a lot of residents and business owners about some of the recent paving projects and things like that. It's always great when we get comments on infrastructure that's not ours. Uh because a lot of that stuff has been on state and county roadways that aren't actually Port Orange
projects even though they're in our city. Um the the one knock that we keep getting over and over and over is that the signal light timing on some of those intersections that have been redone is not very good. In fact, there are some concerns there and that has to do with
some components that lagged in transition to be available as the projects were being done, but I think they've been out there doing those. Um, for for those that are also curious, in case it ever comes up on a game show, the city of Port Orange does not own and we do not service any traffic lights in
the city of Port Orange. Those are all done by Valuchia County traffic engineering as it is for most of Valuchia County. So, even though you may come to a traffic light in the city of Port Orange and you don't like how long you waited that light, either do we or so, uh, but those aren't lights that we regulate. We don't do that. Um, that
Lucia County Traffic Engineering does that. >> They should still call Tracy though, right? >> Yep. always call the vice mayor if you have that concern. >> Seriously though, if you if [laughter] you if you bring that to our attention and to our staff's attention, I assure you that gets forwarded over to the county. Um so we do forward it and get
it in the right place, but it is Valuchia County traffic engineering that regulates all of the traffic light signaling uh in the city of Port Orange. Um and with that, I think I've covered that pretty good. So let's see if the city attorney has anything. >> Uh not tonight.
>> Not tonight. Well, I know the city manager because we tked him to make sure he speaks on three items every meeting. >> Oh, he's counting on Matt to give me a little bit of time to get >> a little time to kind of get the thoughts. So, take it away there, Mr. City. >> I do have a couple things that kind of overlap the categories that are on the agenda because it's related to outside
funding is we talked about it. It's always a challenge to to find ways to to be most efficient with public money. So, we try our best to leverage with other people's funding as we go forward. So tonight we got a check from from the the legislature that helps us with the Portona drainage project. So that
assists with that. Uh one of the other items, the CDBG item, the CDBG funds that are in the ballpark of 350 to 400 year are going to go to the White Place Park, which is one of the parks bond projects. So we have that money. Uh in addition to that, we have an echo grant out for Willow Run. So trying to
leverage as much as we can to get so we have a 30 million parks bond, but by the time we're done, if there's more outside money, you get even more done from from doing that. So we we constantly keep looking for ways to help stretch the dollar as far as we can with the support of the other people going forward. Uh
the only thing I have in addition to that, the uh uh the uh request project, which we we know we're kind of waiting to see what happens in November, but there's a lot of interest in it. it's it's out for a construction manager at risk and there were a lot of proposals coming back. So there we we seem like
we'll have a pretty good chance of getting if that project goes forward with with depending what happens in November, we would have a pretty good group of people interested in building that one. And then the last thing is I know people have noticed it's kind of hot in here. We have six air conditioners on the roof of this building and as of last week three of
them weren't working. Uh mainly east side of the building. The west side over there is a little bit cooler but council chambers happens to be on the east side. We've got two of them back, one of them partially, but there does appear to be some duck work issues with the machine may be running, but the air isn't getting where it's supposed to. So,
we'll continue working on that going forward. We know the interior of this building seen its better days. U but we'll try to we we did put in the budget this year to replace the air conditioners on it because it looks like we're going to be in this building for a while because our focus is on the storm water projects to help with flooding and
and the parks projects. And we'll just figure out how to make this building work. That's all I have. >> Anything else? That's it. All right. Well, we appreciate that and and uh I do applaud and appreciate your efforts to keep city hall patched up as best we can. So, it's a she's getting to be kind
of an old structure and there is going to be some of that that fight as we move along for sure. >> I've heard for years even Disney runs on superglue and duct tape. >> It may. It may. All right. Moving on to item 14. Artouse annual presentation for
2026. By the way, before you guys start, I got to tell you. So, right before Fourth of July, come over, go back into my office, the blinds. So, I have an office back there that I don't use a whole lot, but it faces the lake and the blinds are typically shut because in the evening
hours when I do have an opportunity to get in there, you have that glare of the sun coming through. And I open up the blinds and there are those wings. And I was like, "Wow." and immediately had to go outside and check that out. So, what that was a very cool feature and it was so neat to see so many people lining up
to take pictures of that. >> Thank you. Um, not finding it. Oh, wait. The students for our summer camp students were a big part of that. Um, we had almost four students over the
summer, roughly almost 4,000 works of multiprocess parts walk out those doors. Um, they thought it was a big deal, too. They couldn't believe city hall like only when approved. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> We learned the difference between graffiti.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Right. Right. Well, what a what a great way to to for them to do something like that and literally showcase their work in front of tens of thousands of people to see that. >> It was really important to them too celebrating the the country's 250th
birthday. They'll remember that for the rest of their lives. >> For sure. For sure. One of the nicer parts of getting to work in this building is watching them all summer long. So, they take them out and they walk around the lake and you can see them playing games and learning stuff around the lake all summer long.
So, it's kind of what whatever's going on in the day, you can look out and see these kids having a great time. It's always makes you feel better to see that happening. So, the facility is really nice because you get to see these kids just really enjoying their summer. Huh. >> Absolutely. >> Good stuff. >> And they love feeding the turtles. They love feeding the turtles.
>> Oh, I'm sure. Amanda, do you want me to I can go to another item and come back? >> Well, it was on the computer earlier, like right before, and I don't know where it went to. >> It's probably the cloud. >> It's in the clouds. >> It rained. It clouded out.
>> It couldn't stand the heat inside the building. >> Tell while you while you guys work on that, we're going to jump to item 15 real quick because I think we can I'm feeling good. We can take care of this one pretty good. 15 environmental advisory board appointments. Turns out we have three folks, uh, Glenn Smith,
Christine Cunningham, and John Maluso, who are so impressed with the pay and the benefits of serving on the Environmental Advisory Board, they'd like to do it again. >> Um, and there are no other applicants. So, I I feel like if somebody wanted to make a motion in a second, they've got a
good chance of being rehired here. I'm just throwing it out there. You can never tell until we vote. I will make a motion to reappoint Glenn Smith, Christine Cunningham, and John Maluso. >> And I'll second it. >> There we go. We have a motion and a second. Would any of you guys like to
talk us out of reappointing you? [laughter] >> John, would you like to talk us out of reappointing Christine? [laughter] >> All right, we're going to keep you guys right there. We appreciate the service. Uh, any public comments on this item? >> If not, back to councel. Any comments?
All >> in favor of reappointing uh these three fine residents to back to our environmental advisory board signify by saying I. >> I. >> Any oppose? >> 5. >> Thank you. >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you for what you guys do. >> Do we think we're we are good to go back
to 14? We need a little more time. Okay. That's okay. We can go we can go to another one that I think will move pretty quickly. Let's try item 16. Second reading of ordinance number 2026-11. >> That's an ordinance [clears throat] of the city of Orange County, Florida,
amending chapter 54, article 4, fire and rescue pension fund, amending section 54-77 definitions, amending the definition of salary to include certain overtime hours, providing for codification, repeal of conflicting ordinances, severability, and an effective date.
>> Can I get a motion to approve on second reading ordinance number 2026-11? Get a motion to pass ordinance number 2026-11. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second on second reading. Any additional comments on this one? I think we went through the cleanup
on this. Any public comments? >> Just real quick because I I wasn't here for the first meeting. I appreciate you guys doing this as the uh the liaison to the fire pension board. Um I know how much they appreciate when things like this get cleaned up, especially in the language of that ordinance. And so, uh,
I just want to say thank you guys for passing it and I intend to support it, uh, here on second reading. >> Excellent. Any any public comments on second reading for this one? >> And back to council. Cler. >> Councilman Foley. >> Yes. >> Council Ger. >> Yes. >> Councilman Green.
>> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Krebs. >> Yes. >> Mayor Stler. >> Yes. By vote. >> What do we think? We want to try 14. >> All right. Let's give it a shot. So, we're going back to item 14. Art House annual presentation 2026. Ah, look at that. Success.
>> My next plan was just get you a chalkboard and have you draw your presentation while you talk. >> We can do that as well. We could do that as well. >> Good evening, gentlemen. Thank you for having me here. My name is Cameron Vincent. I'm a Port Orange resident and I work as executive director for Art House Foundation.
over there in uh the other side of the lake. We are happy to be here. I'd like to first thank my wonderful board of directors who came to support our annual report. We could not do that without them. They are our volunteer board. I would like to thank mayor and councilman for having us here tonight and for all
the amazing support that the city of Port Orange bestows upon us. We're going to start off with [clears throat] just our service numbers. This is the same infographic that I give every year. We just update the numbers as we go. We see a we saw a marked increase um and funds
out the as far as scholarships given classes provided service hours of art therapy enrichment for children around the community. Um and overall just a fantastic year 2025 was. I do want to point out this [clears throat] lovely
little number down here that went up by around 500,000 um as far as people served and that is due to Art House curating and installing a student photography exhibition that we won the bid on for the Ocean Center at
the Echo Gallery. Um they estimated that over 500,000 people went through those doors and was able to view the art. all by our wonderful citizens. The majority of that artwork was from Spruce Creek High School students. >> Just a little numbers, $182,040
in free gallery admission. That's if we were to only charge $10 each. Um with our $18,24 gallery attendees in 2025. um $18,650 in outreach art programs we provided for free for underprivileged at risk and
special needs youth 746 students at about $25 a lesson $11,950 in art scholarships awarded to art Port Orange students ages 5 to 18 $83,220 in free community programs including
chalk art competitions free youth art stations public art installations and partnerships programs with the city of Port Orange and Port Orange parks and wreck. We also 3,922 Port Orange children enrolled in classes and camps, educational development for 23% of Port
Orange families in a safe and creative atmosphere to inspire growth. I have just a few pictures from 2025 and a little bit of the beginning of this year because I could not resist um having Tracy Grubs in front of the pet wings outside of Pet Evolution, a mural
that we did with our student interns um in training for the mural arts for the Dunlen Bridge. >> Those murals are amazing at that on that wall. And if people haven't seen it, man, I they are missing out. They got to go see that those murals. That's amazing. >> Thank you. and the growth that that my
interns or my apprentices showed through that. There's nothing like hands-on learning and these kids got that and it's it was just an all-around amazing experience. The owners over there are great as well. >> Um our economic impact estimated $189,352
in non-resident Portage dining and shopping. That's um tax revenue. 83% of families and gallery attendees go out to dinner and or shopping after a gallery opening reception. figure above is based on a $15 meal choice per purpose. And you know, in this economy, that is
that's not even a meal at McDonald's. So, we were very conservative in that figure. Um camps and classes, an estimated $55,000 in camp camp and class tuition. Um the funds spent by families in Port Orange throughout Valuia and income generated by free art house
programming at the Port Orange Rec Center and mural and art classes. Rec center art support parks and wreck. They are very good friends. Hey, Sue. Art House provides adult painting classes monthly at the Wreck, free of charge. These classes cost $10 per person with funds going to the rec
center and its programming. Um, we've done a bit of a shift in that, but I'm going to tell you guys about that in a moment. We are partners now with PAL, the Port Orange Police Athletic League. Um, during the second half of the 2025 2026 academic calendar, Art House began a new partnership with the Port Orange
Police Police Athletic League to provide arts programming to young PAL members. We had um some wonderful police officers out there including some community leaders. Tracy Grab was among them where we taught children the difference between graffiti and art. And we had the
kids and the officers pair up to do a uh graffiti off in which they they competed against each other and it was amazingly fun and hilarious and the kids just had a blast creating art with those police officers. Um, as you guys know, we spoke about this. The Art House window murals, Art
House seasonal murals at Port City Hall have become a local favorite, inspiring residents and visitors to walk the lake, explore the artwork, and experience the creativity that brings our community together. This is our um schedule just for the parks and wreck for the rec center um
that Art House has committed to this year. And we're mostly done with this at this point, it being August now. But um we did shift from free classes for um just adult painters kind sort of like painting with a chis twist. We now
provide the art classes for the um the special needs at the wreck adults that come in. We do interactive art classes with them and they create some awesome things. Um special events, face painting. Whenever there's a wreck dance
or an event, we paint faces. Uh we were very involved in the autism resource fair that brought a lot of people uh to the city of Port Orange over at the rec center and a lot of families got to learn and educate themselves about resources out there for them and their children. Um back to school bash was a
huge success. I know you guys were there. It was fantastic. The kids were thrilled. It was just a wonderful time. Um window painting at the city hall. So we will in October the very beginning we will do a pumpkin patch graveyard. November, we're gonna do a Charlie Brown
Thanksgiving. And then December, I think we're gonna try for Rudolph. Our murals will begin again this winter as soon as one, the weather cools down, so the paint will cure, but also as soon as tourism slows down a bit over there under the Dunlen Bridge. Um, we are
going to begin phases two and three. Our goal is to get at least the very long sidewall and the abupment wall underneath completely finished by February. And I have a proposition for you guys that maybe we can open communication about with staff and management. And
that is the uh interactive wings trail of Port Orange. Um you have so many facilities that people come and visit here at city center, the library, the recreational center, um art house foundation, city hall. We had such an
amazing and overwhelming amount of approval from the community that they were really excited about those Fourth of July wings. It was all over social media what's happening Port Orange pages that I thought wouldn't it be fun much like the book trail that we have around the lake. We did a trail of wings and that the library set of wings will be
made out of books and pages. Um the rec center will be made out of balls and and other sporting equipment. Artouse obviously crayons and paint brushes. but with a hashtagport orange um your logo, artous logo, and just a way for people to travel the circle and get pictures. I
think that it would promote tourism. And I think that it would also be a great way to get the kids out a little bit. And again, that's a proposal that maybe we could sit down with staff later on to discuss. Our annual report for 2025,
um our balance sheet saw us $6,911 in the green. Um, net revenue for the year was $16,41.94. Since the move, I will state that this is the highest we've been able to go and we are now fully recovered for the move
and incredibly happy to be expanding our programs. For every dollar we receive and in generous donations and sponsorships, we put two out in the community in programming for our residents.
And I would also like to maybe bend your ear a little bit while I'm up here. Um the 30th annual street painting festival. So Art House Foundation many years ago um started the Street Painting Festivals in partnership with the city of Port Orange and with the nonprofit known as
Port Orange Community Trust. Um in 1996 with the nonprofit organization Port Orange Community Trust approached the city of Port Orange to establish a formal family days festival at City Center. Then Mayor Alan Green and city manager Kenneth Parker agreed to host this event. One of the original conditions was that the newly formed Art
House Foundation be provided space to hold its street painting festival each year. That partnership has flourished for nearly 30 years, growing into one of Florida's premier chalk art events and bringing professional artists from across the country and around the world to Port Orange. We will not go quietly
into the night. So, I have already started talks with um parks and wreck um to see what we could possibly do to still hold the street painting portion of it. Um create a large kids fair. We won't have the carnival rides or things like that. And the possibility of still
having the beloved parade. Um I've filled out a small application. We still have a lot of talks to do with the city, but that we hope that this can be a placeholder until Family Days returns in 2027. We've received so many disappointed phone calls. A lot of people thought that we were in charge of
family days and I had to say, "Oh, no, that's not us." Um, >> welcome to our world. >> I can only imagine. Um, so we've been doing a lot of damage control with that and a lot of, "No, no, no, that's not us. We're still going to try." Um, I would like to say that
if we we would not be able to get a carnival at this late in the game. You have to schedule those a year in advance. But if it were possible to have vendors, the parade and then the chalk art competition portion of that, I think that that would be a wonderful treat for families. It would be geared towards families with free and interactive art
experiences and games for the for the children. The only thing that would be um a difficulty for us is with the county funding now being cut, um our budget for this would be extremely small given the amount of insurance premium we have to pay to cover this event. So, and
going forward when we have our talks with the city, we are hoping to put together a proposal that maybe we could work around some of the rental fees and that sort of thing to be able to provide this for the community. And as always, Art House is so very
grateful for the amazing support in the home that you give us. We are happy and proud to serve. And Mayor Silner, I really want you to judge again. So, keep it in mind when we come up for the next meeting. Thank you so much. And you guys have a wonderful day. and I am ready for any questions if you have them.
>> So, well, first of all, thank you for being here and thank you to everybody that participates and serves in the art house community. Um, it's it's it's awesome to have you guys in the city center family complex and on our campus and uh we're glad to hear some of those numbers. Uh those are those are pretty
amazing and it's always great when when financially it's operating on sound footing. That's that's the first thing. Um I you already noted, thanks for sharing with us, but as you noted a lot of those ideas you have and things like that that all used to go through the operational process with the staff. So
that's not a council function. We're always interested to hear what the ideas are. We may even have some of our own that >> can get us in trouble with staff [laughter] sometimes because we we say things that we put out ideas and staff goes, "Oh no." You know, because there sometimes there's >> they do everything they can to move
heaven and earth, by the way. Oh, yes. But sometimes they just there there are some things and I do appreciate you mentioning the the the family days event because that's not us either. And u but it's an amazing group of volunteers with incredible hearts and incredible intentions and and sometimes things will
just happen. We'll just that. That being said, a lot of elements for that event a lot of the community loves. Not everybody wants to come out and look at the business vendors, but they want to come out and look at the art. Not everybody wants to come out and look at the art. they want to check out the live entertainment and the musicians and so
forth and so on. And that's the thing about that event is there's usually something for everybody. Um, but but the sidewalk art, the festival, that stuff is is a huge part of it. And as you and I know and we all know, I mean, all you have to do is is watch the line of
people constantly nonstop weaving around the artists and the sidewalks watching it in real time, which is the coolest thing because just showing up and seeing it is neat. But being able to see it while it's being done and maybe come back around in another 45 minutes and see how far the artist got, that's
really a neat thing. And so being able to be that close to the artist, talk to the artist sometimes and see the progress and then see the final thing. It's, you're right, it's a very neat element of that event and uh one that will truly be missed if there's not an alternative to be able to have those
artists still showcase what they do. So Reed, what do you got? I just appreciate all the work that you guys do. I think the butterfly thing is really cool. Or not butterfly. I guess it is butterfly, right? Wings. Wings. >> Wings. >> All right. Either way, I think that's cool. Uh there's a lot of other cities
that have some stuff like that and I think it'd be a really neat idea. I did see it on social media everywhere and thought that was pretty cool. So hopefully you can get with staff and figure out whether or not that's possible. But appreciate what you guys do for the arts in the community. >> Thank you. >> Go ahead,
>> Reed. Thank you for thank thank you for allowing me to be on their board. You know, otherwise >> good dedicated people, >> you know, it's it's absolutely amazing. U sitting there and seeing what you guys do with the kids, it's it just blows me
away. You know, stick figure guy over here can't draw one on a bet, but seeing what y'all do is just amazing. But one of the things that bureau projects, the the the ideals and the things that you come up with is just
absolutely amazing. Uh having the kids come up with the designs and you're showing me that, hey, this is a 16-year-old, this is a 15year-old that's coming up for these designs is just amazing. The one that got me, Pet Evolution, the one she did on the side
of the building. How many days did it take you to do it? >> Eight. Eight days. Eight days on something that's going to be there for a long time. And it's just amazing the detail because you go up there and you see it at a distance. It's pretty amazing. But you go up there and look at the detail of it.
>> It's it'll it'll take you away. So when you came up and you you told me about the about two weeks ago the trails of wings and I was like, "Okay, I can get behind that." Because we saw what you did to the mayor's office. Uh I was like
this this is just an amazing thought. Um it allows parents, grandparents to come into the city and do things with their kids that no other city does. And that I think that's what Art House does. It does something really special that u
people hear about it but they don't see it. And when it's done that way and they see it and then it's all over social media for Fourth of July, it it was amazing. And people are going, "Who did this again?" They're right over here on the [clears throat] other side of the
lake. Come visit them. Come see them. So to me, I I think uh hands down, it's amazing what you do with these kids. 3,900 kids last year. >> Um the the walkth through traffic, half a million people. You pull that number
out, you know, out of the 659,000, that's 159,000 that came into Port Orange. Take the half a million out of that. 159,000 people came here. So your $189,000 for community, that's way low. I mean,
unbelievably low. If you go and you start factoring those numbers, if 100,000 come on here at $20 ahead, >> $2 million spent inside our city. So programming for us is hands down, it's it works. It works greatly. and what it
does for the kids is can't say it enough. Amazing. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Sean, >> I just thank you for everything you do and it's amazing. First time I was over there, I could not believe the talent and then I was walking out. You were having an exhibit and I was walking out
and my best friend from Palm Coast was pulling in the parking. I'm like, "What are you doing here?" He goes, "Oh, my granddaughter has some artwork in there and he was really excited about going in there and it's really cool that you're right. People come from all over to see this." So, I love what you do and uh
we're going to we might have some good news for you soon. >> I think these guys covered it all, but thank you very much. And again, I've known Mrs. Goman for a long, long time. So, I know I know the work you guys do down there because I had to do it when I was in her class a long time ago. So,
thank you. >> We won't go over his grades. >> Oh, that was a solid D. [laughter] >> Thank you. Before I leave, I would like to invite each and every one of you, including staff. August 21st is our opening reception for our summer art campers. Um, we will exhibit over 700
works of art, an example of each artwork that we created during the summer with these kids. These classes are also t taught by our Valuji County Schools art educators. So, we welcome you out and you guys have a wonderful day. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for being here. [applause]
>> Presentation. >> All right. That's going to bring us over to item 17, second reading of ordinance number 2026-8. That's an ordinance of the city of Orange Lucia County, Florida, amending the land development code chapter 17 zoning district regulations relating to
updating the PCA zoning district regulating in response to changing market demands by revising the location of where certain uses are allowed within the PCA district while keeping consistent with the current plan community westside future land use designation relating to minor revisions
for clarity in development standards. removing redundancies to improve consistency in the application of the code. Providing efficiencies in the development review process, all in support of future development within the PCA district, providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances, severability, and an effective date. Can I get a
motion to approve on second reading ordinance number 2026-8? >> A motion to approve ordinance number 2026-8. Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Uh this is a second reading. I know we had asked to have this delayed to be able to have
a full council and and uh so Reed is here this evening. Council, do you guys have any other comments about this ordinance or you good? >> Not yet. >> All right. Any public comments? Representative want to speak or come on
if you're here. >> We are here. It's always good to have you. >> It's always good to be over here. Uh good evening for the record. Mark Watts with the law firm of Cobb Cole 231 North Woodland Boulevard. Nice to be on this side of the county again this evening. Um I've got a whole row of folks here uh
with me. Um Jessica Gal, my my partner, uh Chris Rolley with Zevco who's worked on all this and then a a whole lot of representatives of the various business entities that are related to the Crossy family. And so we just wanted to say thank you uh for again to the uh to your staff for the amount of time that we've
spent going through and getting really into the detail of something that you know as we said before has done I think a very good job of working for the city uh from a planning perspective for more than 25 years now. Um we've done the updates that we think you know you requested at the last meeting. Those
specific changes were made. Thanks to Tim uh for for working with us on that make sure we got those in there. Um, other than that, I think, you know, we we went through most of this before. This doesn't change any densities or increase any densities. It keeps all the the mix of uses that are required in the
PCA district in area consistent, keeps the the trip caps consistent with what's already there. Um, so the the added fringe benefit, and Jessica pointed this out to me for a minute a minute ago. Um, last night I was in Edgewater watching them do a a permanent moratorium on uh,
which I'm not sure well permanent moratorium on data centers and and one of the changes that we are making here with the revision to the workplace district that's in the current code is getting rid of those industrial type uses that could have those types of uses introduced into the area. So I think this is a good update. Uh, we appreciated your comments last time. I
think they made some good revisions and happy to answer any questions you might have. >> Anybody have any questions? >> Yeah. Now, again, I appreciate you coming and and and again, I've looked at this thing since last week and last meeting. And again, my [clears throat] my issue with this is is the changing of
the industrial areas that again, you know, we had a vision in Port Orange many years ago and um you know, that was going to be Thompson Palm and it was going to be this that and the other and and it didn't happen. Um, but what I'm
not okay with is the density in which we are changing that property too is just too much for me. I said it last time, I'll say it again. That density is just too much for that area. That area is already grown. >> It's hard to put more cars on that road. Now, I understand you've got zoning for
industrial and this and that, but if we need to decrease the density of those areas that are especially on your easterly side, it's right on right on Williamson. And again, I I just I have a hard time supporting that density. I
have a hard time supporting 50oot lots. I'm going to be honest. I don't like it. And I believe that the smaller the lots, the more the impact. The bigger the lot, the less the impact. You know, bigger the home, the less the impact. And I
just I'm I'm going to stick with that position right now. >> Anybody else? >> I just want to be on the record. I agree with Lance. I don't like 50 foot lots either, but they were already approved in the prior readings uh back when this
was all set up back in 2000 way before either one of us were on council. So, I mean, dating all the way back to when this whole thing was laid out. So, we don't really have a choice. >> Anybody else? >> Well, again, I'm comment on that. Again,
if you look at look at the zoning and look at what it was and look at all the purple that's on that picture, that's all industrial, right, Mark? >> It's industrial, it's commercial, and there is a mix in there that also allows change in the resial. If I remember correctly, I think there's there's actually multif family allowed in that
purple mix as well. So, one of the things to keep in mind is you are removing that higher density that's allowed within portions of that purple area and changing it to the densities that we're we're stating in here now that are more consistent with the rest of that area. So, there there are a mix of uses in that purple kind of district.
So, you've got industrial, you've got commercial. Um, and as we talked about at the at the first reading, one of the things that came to to mind as we were working through this with staff was the inconsistency of the heavy traffic that would be generated by those uses in that location. Now, you do still have some of
the workplace areas that are along Williamson that um either have developed or may still develop. There's a lot of vacant land there still that's held by companies that I think have designs to keep expanding that vision of the workplace area. So, I don't think that's done yet. But in the area that we're
we're revising through this amendment and through the changes to to the district maps, um you know, you're really kind of pulling out some of the higher residential density permitted within industrial and commercial in that in that district and you're getting rid of those heavier ind heavier intensity
uses. >> I I don't understand that. Again, I'm looking at the picture and it says commercial retail. It says ind office industrial office industrial commercial retail. Those are the areas in which I'm really talking about because that's a majority of the acreage. >> Correct. >> Okay. Correct.
>> And you're changing it to all residential. >> Correct. >> And all high density. >> So for the record, Jessica Gawola from firm one Daytona Boulevard, Daytona Beach, Florida on this side of the county. Um I just want to clarify the workplace district. It has that subdist that says office, retail, commercial. Um
the workplace district overall allows for a range of uses including multif family residential at 16 units an acre. We talked about this last time. Um, so the modification of that to the community district that we're looking at in the neighborhood districts still allows for residential but at a lower
density than the multif family allowed in the workplace district. So it also still allows supporting commercial uses. So as Mark noted, the map shows commercial node locations that we've worked with staff to keep in the same location to activate that commercial retail, but it takes away that
multifamily allowance. So I think in the the the point with that is yes, you're taking out some of those higher in you know the higher intensity commercial and industrial type uses there because we you know the market has shown those are locating into different parts of our overall general community. But there also is higher intensity residential
that we're not asking to keep in there that we're pulling out and going down to the density that's allowed or that that's being proposed and keeping what I would characterize more as neighborhood scale commercial so that you can have that within the fabric of the community.
What I'm trying to avoid here is the track build. >> One after another after another after another after another. And that's what I'm trying to avoid. And in this whole section, that road can't take any more traffic. I just I mean, I get it. It's
all going to be about the intensity to me, Mark. You know what I'm saying? And >> to I I don't want another track builder neighborhood. And and I think that one of the things if in the staff materials it notes that you know as part of this process not only did we look at what
this area allows but also what has developed in the rest of the the PCA district and I think you know while the maximum overall intensity for that area is four units an acre actually come in at about 2.81 if I remember correctly somewhere in that range. So I think you know in all likelihood now again you've
got maximums that are being established by this. You've got trip maximums you've got the mix requirements that are here. So all of that is designed to kind of provide that that healthy mix for a community. But I think, you know, if the trend continues, you're going to end up seeing it come in somewhere below that
maximum intensity that is there for the entire district. >> All right. Thank you. >> And I I'll just echo one of the concerns that that I think Councilman Green and I think we actually all have it is, >> you know, and I know you guys can
appreciate our task. So, you know, for years, some of us have sat up here or been on planning commission boards and we get projects and you know, when when you see projects in a presentation or you see them on paper and you try to visualize it, >> you know, and you hear the traffic engineers come in and they talk about
traffic count and how much more this road can actually handle and it's only at 45% capacity or whatever. But then those don't always correlate to life. Like the perception, the reality of now, okay, that subdivision got built and that one got built and that one got
built and now when I go down this road, >> it's horrible, right? It just it's a it's a quality of life. It's a but what do we really get out of that? And and I'm not knocking any one project or another. We had some amazing residential and commercial projects in Orange.
>> But but but the track builds, the high density They seem to be a lot of the ones that that yield challenges for us as a community that can't always be you can't always go back to fix it, right? You know, it's [clears throat] like you have a a home
where they're on really tiny lot lines and and the builder goes in, he builds a nice house, but there's no parking. The the driveways are so short, the bumper of a standard pickup truck overhangs, and now everybody's got to park all their additional cars in the street. And there's just and it's just always this
constant thing. and our police department, our code enforcement, and then we all hear it and we, you know, we look back at that project and we go, well, >> we didn't think it was going to come out quite like that, right? So th those are our our things just personally and and we always appreciate the back and forth
and the in the insight from you guys and we totally respect >> what what your task is. Um, and and sometimes maybe we as as elected body don't always do the best job of conveying what our concerns really are
because I know for you guys and for our staff, it comes down to the X's and the O's. >> You know, what does the zoning say and how's that how are the engineers going to lay it out and all that kind of stuff. With us, you look at drawings and you look at plans and you look at these agenda items >> and you try to work through it in your
mind, but you still really don't know what that impact is going to be like. And so to Councilman Green's point and concern and and Councilman Garder's concern, we see this a lot and and there's very few places left in Port Orange, you know, we were almost at that
built out. Um and so you know our hope is is that the developers and the builders hear that and while we know that there are development rights rights to build all the we we get that what we hope is
is they hear that and they can attach that personal side to our concerns that we echo from our residents and do the best they can >> to exceed the expectations and deliver an even better project. Yeah. And and that's that's that's really what a lot of it
>> and we appreciate that and and I will say there's a lot of work here to be done. Sure. >> Right. We're we're setting a framework and you know I've said in the past you know because traffic I think is is something that has come up in all of our discussions on all of these and I think one of the most forwardthinking things that the city did and the working with
the Crossy family in 2003 I think it was when when this was ultimately adopted was you started with laying out transportation networks and and one of the things that that really when I look at this plan and I look at what other communities do you know you have the
rest of the network in this plan and a partner, you know, with with the the Karasis that has worked with you for 20, you know, for for decades to to work on the implementation of that. And really, this also represents the completion and the details matter. And I think it starts with what's what's here. It
starts with, you know, what's been laid out with regard to the network and and then how we come back and fill it. I think the central park um you know that that we're all working on you know here can can really make this a unique part of the city and and we all appreciate that this is kind of one of the last
open spaces here. Um it's also one of the last you know kind of places that that the crossies have significant holdings here. So I think it's important across the board and we appreciate you know knowing the details that you expect us to look at moving forward. >> So >> appreciate you. Thank you very much. >> I I just have some more questions and it
might be >> for staff >> probably. Yeah. Tim, >> thank you guys. >> I'm sorry. >> Thank you. >> Welcome, sir. >> Thank you. >> So, so right now on office industrial >> would that be consistent with US foods
and byite? >> Yep. Basically US foods is not part of it, but basically byite is what's in the office industrial area >> and then pump then too. But the zoning at US Foods would be considered office industrial. >> Be an industrial zoning.
>> So with all the semis and coming in and out of there. >> Yes. >> So So honestly I'd rather have single family homes over there than a bunch of another semis. >> And that's what's happening. We're we're kind of getting away from that. We have it out there and there's going to be
down on towards Beville Road on Williamson. I think there's a million square feet of >> innovation space with all that. So, we're going to get away from that there by reszoning this to more of a
neighborhood type feel instead of an industrial type feel. >> Correct. And and the the area on on Beville and Williamson that you're talking about um that's under construction now. [clears throat] Um, that's what we found, as we talked about at the last meeting, where those uses wanted to locate was closer to the interchange of two interstates, which
makes a lot of sense. It takes those heavy vehicles and puts them right onto the interstate, but that's about 3 million square feet maximum. Now, we don't know that that'll be what is ultimately built there, but that's what the the city of Daytona had approved for that that particular area. >> You said 3 million. >> 3 million on that that particular property as a maximum. Now, again, we
don't know where that ultimate number will come in. >> That's kind of why I'm for that. >> Thank you. >> Thank Thank you, Tim. Go ahead. >> No, again, I can and I can understand where you're coming from. My my point being this, and it's it's like the mayor said,
>> this is about the last of it that we don't have and and and we need to be able to to make the best out of this. And I don't think 50 foot lots is the best out of this property. So, I I'm I'm not denying, you know, what could be,
but again, I want that product to be the best product for everyone. And uh again 50ft lots is not a good product for Port Orange. >> Is there any way we could change that? >> What >> I think I asked that question the last
time was that could we where we're reszoning the commercial industrial can we uh say no to 50 foot lots? The way I understood it last time was that no because
it was already a part of the help me out staff in the community district in 2002 they established that as having the 50ft lot width. So that is already in the current code. So basically they had proposed 40 foot that was removed and we're
basically reverting back to the current code. So there's really no change to that lot with required in the community as proposed in this ordinance. It is maintaining what was approved in 2002 >> at ship sale plans. >> Reed, >> thank you. Um, for just a moment here, I
believe it or not, I am the second most tenured person on this DAS. Um, and and that blows my mind from time to time. Um [laughter] >> um but in the in in my time on here, we've had several zoning things come before us and they've always been
interesting. Uh very rarely have we had the opportunity to bless a new property with a new zoning. Uh frequently that zonings were done in the 80s and in this case I believe it's 2002 2003. Um whereas if this was a proposal coming
forward uh on a agriculture land that's never been zoned out or whatever and they want to bring it in, we would have the negotiation power for sure to say look we want 60ft lots or we want 80 foot lots or whatever it may be. Um in this particular case I don't see how we
would ever get there. Um, instead of seeing this as a unzoneed property where we're trying to figure out how we get the best for Port Orange, which is the exact question we should be asking, Lance all the time. I I mean, I love the way you're tracking. This seems to me more like here are all the puzzles
pieces. How do you want to push them together? And the old version of this versus the new version, I do think this is more congruent with what people want in a community today. Now, that's not to say I'm happy about 50 foot lots, right?
I I wouldn't buy that house, but unfortunately with land prices in Florida, that's a all a lot of people can afford. Um, so the challenge for me is not how how do we get to, you know, a different product. It's it's where is this product going to be placed on this
particular piece of property? And I do think you you know, that's why it was easy to say no to the 40 foot lots, right? because that was never going to happen cuz we're not going to allow for increased density. Ultimately, it seems like this is either a net wash or actually a slight reduction. And am I
hearing this correctly? It means there's absolutely zero chance of there being a data center on any of this. Is that what the quote was here, Tim? Are you going to Sorry to ask you here. It's my only question. I'm at the end of it now. >> Yep. So, we're we're not there yet. We're So, we're still looking at the
regulation of data centers. the moratorum that was discussed as in a city to the south of us. We we we're still weighing that out. We actually met earlier this afternoon on that topic. So, uh still working out the regulations. You'll be seeing those coming up soon. >> Well, and and again, you know, those
those things will be for councils after I obviously. Um but but decisions we make today, as we're seeing in this case, can last 20, 30 years. So, um I I appreciate you guys went back. I I know what you're doing and why you're doing it. And overall, I do think um the
placement of the zonings makes more sense. It doesn't mean I'm any happier than with the overall product than I would have been if you just left it alone and build it today, but if it's going to get built, it seems like the thought process here, the arrangement of
the tiles makes more sense to me. And so that's that's where I am with it today. And >> just to clarify, he made one thing, you don't have data center as a permitted use. So whether we do a moratorium or not, I think your question was the zoning took the area where you could
>> the area where that would be a a you know compatible use is being replaced in this in this exercise. >> Well, good. That that seems like another positive to me. >> Tracy, did you have anything? >> No, just uh echoing uh Councilman Green.
Um I I do believe we do need to watch our properties as much as we can to make sure the density is lessened. Um this being a PSC PCA and we're just changing
where commercial was versus residential and vice versa. We're kind of tied to our hands on the 50 foot by uh 100 lot parameters. you all changed what we talked about at 40 foot, but that's not going to happen. So, it's back to the
old parameter. Um, as far as the setbacks and things of that nature. Um, and I and I Councilman Foley straight up as far as the puzzle pieces call it moving them around. Business sense wise, it makes sense. You you have commercial
strictly on Williamson and then the rest of the property is all living space. Um it it it it's a dealt hand that was done back in 2002. And I think that's what the general population needs to understand for Port
Orange is this is something that was decided in 2002 and we have very little of what we can and can't do with this. >> Scott again goes back further than the map. >> Anybody else from the public wish to speak to it? >> Mr. Mayor, can I can I comment on this?
>> Sure. So, and and Wayne helped me with this. The property that is currently designated industrial and retail and etc. The 50ft parameters don't apply to that property as of right now because it's zoned industrial. It's not zoned
residential at this time. >> I think they're >> so that doesn't apply >> mixed use. None of them are exclus. It's not like a traditional zoning district where you have an industrial district and a residential district and a commercial district. So it was created as kind of a mixed juice. And so any part of that could have some
residential, some commercial. So the portion of it that could be residential follows the residential rules. The part that's commercial follows commercial. So the area that they're shifting was predominantly by by the ratios in this complex code going to be more likely to
be the commercial industrial, but they could do a residential component and it would be subject to those rules. I don't think they were going to build a single family neighborhood on Williamson right next to an industrial building, but the area farther in uh would would have allowed some residential components in
which cases those rules would have applied to them. >> I'm confused. So, if I'm looking at this and it says 75 acres of office industrial, it >> it had a component that also allowed other uses. That's that was a title res ordinance that that is partially allowed. That area where all the
apartments are was one of those colors in the beginning, right? A white palm and all those other areas are still in the purple on there. And you have nothing but an apartment complex. >> And that's and that's office residential office uh industrial use. >> Yeah, I do just want
>> Hold on one second. Give me just a second. Tim, can you pull up the slide for us here? I I I think Councilman Green is in the agenda looking at >> um the staff report. Is that the image you're looking at? Page N. >> We're talking about some short. >> Page nine.
>> Are you looking at the top half or the bottom? I've got them both. >> Okay. The existing versus >> existing or or the proposing. >> Take your time, Robin and Tim. >> But I just feel like we're going to we're going to reference an image. We might as well looking at it.
>> The area that he's talking about is the people just to close exclusive like old school. They're very confusing. to squint hard. See the purpose or just the >> Yeah.
>> Thank you. >> That's all right. That's fine. We'll get We'll >> Maybe it's really hot because the AC's, you know, If I can end my laptop if it plugs in about to need a recess
break. >> We were so close. I was [laughter] >> so close to going out that >> I started chugging this water over here. Sorry guys. >> Why we're up here? It's the only time we can >> part of the process in the other complex and they're in that
>> go lot by lot just the title. Is it really clear? >> Yes, it is. >> You can put any of it in any of these just different ratios and it's like a 30
page or very complex. Yeah. >> Hey. >> All right. Back back to Councilman Green to make sure we we understand which portion of these tiles I like that phrase that we used to make uh that we're what we're talking about.
So, let's just clarify here real quick. So again, I'm I'm I'm saying as an example, the office industrial 75 acres that I'm looking at right there, >> you're telling me that we could put 50 foot lots on there. >> I'm under the current regulations, you
can put 18 foot wide lots there as long as they are for seniors >> on office industrial zoning. >> Correct. That's Wayne. >> Is that right? >> It's on page 21 of your staff. It's a very complex ordinance and it has a lot of flexibility for various uses and the
the more intense uses were intended for like those are like townhouse type tight small lot. So it's it don't don't get hung up on the specific title. It was each one of those tiles had a lot of flexibility like you just had like five different types of uses and you had a
range like it had to be at least 10% of this kind and 20% of this kind and 20% of that and that's how you made it all up. So, it's not, like I said, it's not like a standard zoning district where that's an industrial block and you're changing that to residential. You could have put residential in there. Those two
big blocks of purple down at the bottom were are are exactly the same thing in the original zoning from the early 2000s and they're two big apartment complexes, >> but it says multif family. >> It that got changed on this map, but in the original, the color and the the all
the zoning documentation is the same. That's just a graphic map to show you what's there. Okay. >> But it is you could do some residential in those areas. It's it's just a a mixture of it. >> That's a buzz kill. >> Sorry. Sorry. [laughter]
>> Theoretically, way back then, you'd get this really good mixture of walkable downtowns and and we just never really had the demographics or the market for that to come about. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you guys for taking a moment, everybody, to to make sure we got clarity on what we're talking about
there. Anybody else in the public wish to speak to this? Come on up, please. >> So, listening during my day job, I deal with this all day long as well. Affordable home ownership should be the primary discussion here. Living in Port
Orange for over 40 years, I have seen the increase in how much it cost to purchase a house here. Um, a 50 by 100 foot lot is sufficient for a house. It could be a sufficient house for a first-time
home buyer. It's also sufficient for in an area where that person can also walk to work. >> We have a lot of trans We have >> Sorry, you need to introduce yourself. >> Oh, uh, Chris Cunningham, 150 Sweet Gun Lane, Port Orange. Sorry.
Um, and and there is more to this for the for the community than just worrying about how big a place can be so that we can not make it look cookie cutter. I'm no
fan of cookie cutter, but I am a fan of helping people get to a place where they can live affordably and also worry about how they're going to bring their children to a a town that has a wonderful school opportunity. There's
more opportunity here than there are in other towns. And if this can be part of how we make that happen, then we shouldn't be fighting this. We should be helping this. We should be looking at what is being ch where'd they go being
changed [laughter] and um and help our people get here to it to to to our town. So whether we are looking at lot size builders know how to build houses that can fit on that lot size. They know how to do it. We do it all day long. But we
have to get in our mindset that we are going to help our community expand. Um, Mr. Clark says we we've had the walking area and the parks and so on. There's now a push to have a a park
within 10 minutes of where everybody lives. That's a new national campaign. We need to do things like that. So to to complain about a a 50 by 100, we can build that house and we can bring
people in that are going to enrich our our community. by bringing in people that maybe have not been able to live here before. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else from the public wish to speak? >> All right, back to council. Council last
chance for comments. No on that end. No on this end. The clerk call the role. >> Councilman Foley, >> yes. >> Councilman Gford, >> yes. >> Councilman Green, >> no. >> Vice Mayor Gross, >> yes. >> Mayor Sull, >> no. 32. Good luck. Do your best. >> Thank you all. Thank you guys for your
time and your patience and for the the opportunity to engage. We appreciate >> Thank you guys. >> All right. And that will bring us to the regular agenda portion for item 18, first reading of ordinance number 2026-7.
That's an ordinance of the city of Pors Lucia County, Florida, repealing and replacing chapter 82, article 2 of the city of Pors code of ordinances related to the use, operation, and mooring of watercraft and city waterways. Providing for definitions providing for regulation of the anchorage of vessels, live aboard vessels, floating structures, and
commercial vessels, including exceptions there too. Providing for procedures for removal of vessels and empoundment along with the collection of costs associated therewith. Provi prohibiting lev board vessels, floating structures, and commercial vessels in certain areas. providing for enforcement and penalties,
providing for codification, severability, and an effective date. >> Can I have a motion to approve on first reading ordinance number 2026-7? >> Move to approve ordinance number 2026-7. >> Second.
>> Have a motion and a second. All yours. >> I apologize for making that title so long. It took just now to hear it for me to realize just how >> the more you have for the city of all. That's the best. That's the best [laughter] part. >> Good evening everyone. And my name is Jared Trenton. I'm an assistant city attorney here. Uh and my job today is to
give a general overview of what this waterway ordinance has included within it. So this ordinance ordinance is repealing and replacing the entirety of chapter 82 article 2 of our code. And this was written initially in the 80s. It was some work was done on in the
early '90s, but since then nothing has happened with it. And so recently there were some updates to uh for law as it relates to state waters, city waters, and the regulation of anchoring and moing. And so it felt like the best time to us to update that, make sure we're compliant with everything new going on,
and make sure we just tack in things there that are necessary. So with these recent addition additions and revisions, we um had the major objectives going forward for regulating the city docks and force against derelic vessels in the
water and to create an empoundment process to have enforcement actually have teeth to it as well as an empoundment hearing process to comply with pro due process requirements. Now I do want to emphasize that state law here is pretty pretty thorough. They've
preempted a lot of this and so it is uh narrowly tailored and specifically drafted to comply with that state preeemption. You'll notice in a lot of the sections here we specify exactly what type of vessel is being required or regulated in these sections. You'll notice there are notice provisions
provided throughout and it specifies which kinds are being regulated and how much time is provided based on that. And that's all to reflect what I was talking about in that the state's been very thorough with what they've preempted for us. Now uh the best way I can describe the general ordinance structure is that
it it's supposed to just flow sequentially. We start with the enforcement of anchoring and moing in city waters. Uh we follow this with the enforcement and notice penalties provisions. Uh this includes the timelines that we have to give them
prior to giving any kind of fines or fees and timeline requirements prior to impounding a vessel. And with that of course came the impoundment hearing process that we developed. It's a it's a whole new process to go before a code enforcement special magistrate type of situation. Um and with that that covers
most of that initial part of it. Uh really the intent was just to be you know as thorough as we could be without running into preeemption problems. And uh lastly really just the parameters with the use of the city dock. I know you guys are talking about that coming out soon. Uh this really puts just a limitation on the duration that people
can park their boats there and and gives us some teeth for giving them fines and you know barring it has to happen potentially taking that vest to get away and whatnot. But yeah, that about covers it. I apologize if I was a little quick. Do you guys have any questions for me?
>> It's good. No, I so a lot of this has been been very much needed and and and uh it's I think for most all of us being ab you know we're on the water a lot ourselves personally we we've all got boats and we enjoy the waterway and on
top of what we see out there on our own time we see as an elected body you know derelic vessels destroying our docks and washing up every time there's a a storm of any magnitude and you know when somebody doesn't properly anchor or more a vessel and the damage that it not only
does to to government property but residential property. I mean plenty of our homeowners that live on the water have had their docks and vessels damaged over the years by these derelic vessels or improperly anchored and mor vessels. So it's a real problem not only uh in
our area but all over the east coast of the state of Florida. I'm very familiar that in parts of South Florida they have hit the ground running with this. You know, you go down into Palm Beach County and Broward and Dade County, they have major moing and anchoring issues down there. They've actually got task forces
that are out there, >> you know, implementing and enforcing a lot of this new legislation and looking for those those avenues and angles to try to take care of those things to avoid the problems that just seem to never go away, never get any better. The in particular interest for for me is
that our boat ramp facility is incredibly popular and not only by our residents but regional residents in our state, but it has limitations. There's only so much parking and when people want to come in and out of the facility, we need to be able to have them doing
that efficiently. Um, and when you get these derelic vessels and these liboards and then they make our docks and our ramps part of a private marina that they just tie up for days and days on end. We have to have we have to have a mechanism to do something about that because when
we don't that efficiency of the residents and regional foot visitors using that stuff, it totally breaks down and it just becomes problematic. We've all seen it. Um, so they also don't seem to care what damage they do to our our our infrastructure there and our property and our facility. So, um, I
appreciate the the city attorney's office working to to get this brought before us and tighten up where we can tighten up and now logistically we, you know, which is always seems to be one of our challenges, but we've got partners in the area with with other law
enforcement agencies. So, when we need assistance, I'm sure we can reach out to make that all happen. So, any question? Oh, I think Senator Wright was actually the one instrumental in setting aside funds for getting derelick boats out of the out of the river. He he he got a lot of funding set aside within the last couple years. Got a lot of them cleaned
up because it's, you know, it is bad. And I appreciate us cleaning this up because we do need it badly. And um so I'm glad we're I'm glad we're taking care of this and getting it done. >> You guys got any on? >> I do. Uh thank you. You have no idea.
It's an arduous task going through maritime law. Um I I unfortunately have to read it quite a bit. I deal with derelch vessels a lot. So this coming before us is an automatic yes for me because this speeds the process up to
handle vessels that are leeching their guts out into the river and the waterway. It's an environmental impact that is just a nightmare people just don't understand. the quicker we can get them removed, the better it is for our waterways, the safer it is for other
boers that we don't have obstacles out there, and then just all around uh what it does to the fisheries. So, thank you. >> Yes, sir. >> And I I would encourage uh the city manager's office and our staff to keep their eyes on the grant possibility and
funding possibilities out of Tallahassee. It always seems to be a slow evolving what's the next trend, but there has been some indications in Tallahassee of state appropriations dollars and grants and funding and stuff geared more towards uh municipalities
that have waterways and improving access for your community and different things like that. So, we never know what what what may present itself there. So, you know, us doing stuff like this usually will help us because we can utilize that when we're asking for those kinds of dollars. Anything else for us?
>> No, sir. >> All right. Thanks. Anybody else in the public wish to speak to this item? >> All right. Back to council. Anything else, gentlemen? Cler call the role. >> Councilman Fingley. >> Yes. >> Councilman Gford. >> Yes. >> Councilman Green. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Kubs. >> Yes. Mayor S.
>> Yes. 50. Item 19, first reading of ordinance number 2026-12. It's an ordinance of the city of Port Orange County, Florida, amending chapter 2, article 3, section 218, code of ordinances to reduce the number of members in the environmental advisory board. Amending 2-119 code of ordinances
to provide for updated appointment terms. Amending 2121 code of ordinances to reduce the number of board members necessary to form a quorum. Providing for codification, repeal of conflicting ordinances, seability, and an effective date. >> Can I get a motion and a second to
approve ordinance number 2026-12? move to approve ordinance number 2026-12. >> Second. Do >> we have a motion and a second? Wayne, is there anybody to present to this? >> It it's fairly straightforward that the title that that attorney read covers it.
It it lowers the number. We have a very dedicated group of about four people, but it's been hard to get a quorum there. And so Tim went to the board, they agreed supported the lowering the number. That dedicated group will now make the quorum. The ordinance itself clarifies the number of members, how they're staggered terms, and then what
takes it for them and uh and we think it it'll help make sure that that they are fully staffed going forward. >> My only question that I have um we appointed three people, reappoint three people. So, how many total members do we have now? >> Four, one open space. >> Okay. >> Oh, wow.
>> I just want to make sure we we didn't just appoint to six and we're about to cut to five. >> No, no. Competition's thin spot right now. That was a great great time if you're interested. >> Hey, you know what? That's that was my first position here. >> Always an opportunity for somebody. Any anything else for staff? >> No, sir. >> On this end, anybody in the public wish
to speak to this? >> Come on up. Welcome. >> Welcome home. >> Yeah. My name is Jared Kramer. I live 4646 South Trail, Fort Orange. Been here for 33 years. And what I'm here to propose to the city council is at my
expense, I'm going to put a Purple Heart monument in the veterans park in the city center if the council approves it and is willing to, you know, go along with it and back me up on it. >> Okay. So, for this particular agenda
item, that wouldn't be a discussion we can have, but if you will touch base with our clerk, we will definitely get the right staff members. I love the idea and we could get staff to uh to work that out with you and see what you got in mind and they can bring that back to council for feedback. >> Okay. >> For sure. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you very much.
>> Appreciate your service. >> Bye. >> Anybody else wish to speak on agenda item 19? >> All right. Back to council. None. Call the role. >> Council. >> Yes. >> Yes. Council >> Green. Oh. >> Oh, sorry.
>> I have a question >> for agenda item 19. >> Yes. >> Come on up. Sorry, I missed you. I didn't see you. >> I'm sorry. Uh, so I'm Lisa Curley, 6029 Weining Ridge Lane, Port and I've also emailed the two of you. Um, so I I have
a question about the environmental advisory board. Can you please expand on what is required for that fourth person and [laughter] whether or not I answer? Yep. If you if you if you live in the city, uh go on you can go on our website or our clerk's office can show you where
to fill out an application that you want to serve on one of our advisory [clears throat] boards. You can actually check all your interests for all the advisory boards. It doesn't have to be one. It can be one or multiple boards. And if you're interested, we'd love to have you do that. It would be great. Okay. >> There's two members sitting right there. They can probably >> tell you all about it. >> Okay. And there's one open slot.
>> Yeah. Um, and what would be the consequence of passing what you're trying to do right now as far as having fewer people? >> No consequences. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. >> This allows them to have a quorum with less people. >> The consequence is if you have seven
seats >> and you have to have a quorum and you can't get the minimum number of people to have a quorum, you can't have a meeting. So, the meeting has to follow uh legal guidelines. So you have to have enough people to be there to to substantiate a quorum where you can't even hold the meeting.
>> So that's been a problem in the past, not only with this board, with some other boards where the intentions were good. You had five seats or seven seats or nine seats or however many and then every time there's a meeting only three people show up >> and that's just not going to that won't work. So in this particular case, this becomes a more efficient and effective
way to be able to make sure that when these meetings need to be held, there's going to be the minimum amount at least to show off the phone. >> Fantastic. Thank you so much. >> Oh, yeah. No problem. Thank you. >> Now, we are going to double the pay. >> Yeah. >> Z. >> All right. Back to council. I'm sorry.
Can you go ahead and call the role? >> Yes. Councilman Foley. >> Can I vote? Yes. >> Do it again. >> Good about it. >> Council Gford. >> Yes. >> Uh, Councilman Green. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Gross. >> Yes. Mayor >> Ser. Yes. 5. [laughter] All right. Great
meeting. Anything else to come before us tonight? If not, everybody drive home safely and have a good night. >> Well, my man, as you know, your life