e e e e e e e e e call the meeting of the Planning Commission to order please for Thursday
February 27th yall please rise and pledge pled to the flag of the United States of America and to the repu for it stands one na indivisible andice
amen put airplane mode because I knew call the RO Force tonight please Stan Schmidt pres Scott Stager I'm here Mark bowling here Daniel malago here Maria
Mills Bennett here Bo Bimi I'm here thank you Thomas Jordan present thank you all right we're all here uh consideration of the minutes from the January meeting Maria Mills pet making a motion to
approve the minutes from January meeting second got a motion and a second all in favor please signify by saying I put in your title yeah can you guys say your names when you make a motion for uh Christine
all right Mo appr minutes are approved um moving on to item uh first item here the First Amendment to the master development agreement for the subet plaza plan commercial development case number pza a-25 00001 I get a
motion move to approve case number PR za- 25- z001 I'll second the first Bo Bo and Maria she don't know my voice by now I
don't even know to tell her we went to high school together I was going to have another answer hi Mr what you got for us uh good evening my name is susette Cameron I'm with the planning department the subject property is located on the south side of
Taylor Road between summer trees and Williamson Boulevard the property owner requests the proposed amendment to the master development for summer trees Plaza commercial development to allow a broader range of commercial uses in the PCD consistent with the uses allowed in
the city's conventional commercial zoning districts and update the signage and Architectural requirements for the PCD uh to be consistent with the current requirements of the city's Land Development code summer trees PCD was
approved in November 2007 and the subject property has been zon commercial development since 1989 27 1998 excuse me um 27 years the PCD was initially developed with Hotel
Conference Center a commercial uses and Commercial uses adjacent to Taylor Road the PCD includes five parcel sites two parcel sites A and B are developed with commercial uses PNC Bank and a
commercial tenant building two Parcels are vacant c and d and the Southmost parcel e was sold to the city of Port orang in 2007 and 2010 the storm water Pond for drainage associated with
W widening of Williamson Boulevard was constructed the proo proposed First Amendment to the summer trees Plaza MDA only pertains to sites a through D and does not include the city's owned uh
parcel site e oh did it okay my apologies the MDA for the summer trees PCD currently allows for uses such as hotels restaurants retail medical and professional offices and assisted living facilities Etc the additional uses
proposed to be added to the list of allowable uses on any of the four sites a through D are as follows craft food and beverage producers micro Brewers and private schools according to the applicant the uses are being provided
for more flexibility for new development and or Redevelopment in the PCD these three additional uses will be will listed will be required to comply with the city's development requirements in the Land Development code for the craft
beverage and producers and micro Brewers there are special development requirements listed in exhibit B of the MDA which include requirements for screening parking uh screening of storage and that
will need to be met if developed the special development requirements for these two uses are consistent with the special development require requirements for the uses in the LDC the applicant also requests to add many warehouses and motor vehicle boat storage to the list
of allowable uses for sites C and D the proposed amendment to the MDA requires the development of many warehouses and motor vehicle boat storage to use storage use to meet the standard commercial requirements landscape
buffers screening tree preservation architectural traffic conc currency drainage and other infrastructure parking Etc in the city's LDC along with the additional special development requirements listed in exhibit B of the
MDA which include wider landscape buffers screen walls fences and building orientation to provide significant screening to those uses from residential areas and and or major roadways
the final thing the signage and Architectural design standards sections of the MDA also will be updated to remove outdated signage and Architectural requirements that are no longer consistent with the signage and Architectural requirements of the LDC
the proposed amendments require all development within the L the PCD to comply with the city's concurrent commercial signing and Architectural requirements in the LDC that apply Citywide simplifying the MDA
text to ensure that the standards remain current with the current regulations over time staff is recommending approval cool thank you any questions from Miss camon here from the uh from the commission Stan I'll start with you
no I have no questions this time Scott uh I'm curious as to what the buffer requirements would be if it if we do allow parking in that area so I'm assuming boats RVs that kind of thing okay uh and I didn't it may have been in
here and densely covered sure just bear with me I do have those notations and I I want to ask you're referring to the mini warehouse in the boat exactly yes okay so on the mini warehouse and I'm sure Penny will support me if if I speak
out of turn but I found that as a 10-ft buffer which is three shade trees three understory and 30 shrubs okay okay on the motor vehicle and Boat Storage I'm finding a 50ft wide buffer 7 shade eight understory and 70 shrubs okay and I
thank you for that I just was not aware of what the requirements were that's it for me Mark um did we do any traffic uh studies to see what kind of impact this is going to have the Ingress and egress of this location is
you know you can either go out there on summer trees and catch the light or most of the people are going to take that straight shot right past the bank and then it's going to be difficult getting on road that way I'm a little adverse to that
and um I don't see any problem with the micro Brewery or anything else but I'm not real excited about setting up outdoor storage deal so they I may need help but I would say that again we are just looking at
making an amendment to the MDA so right now we have no project in front of you and at that time I would assume that that's when we would do the traffic study okay all right but um are you looking for all or
I know that you're talking about a a couple of different ideas here that you're going to amend the this Bank the subject two I'm not really excited like I said about the outdoor storage for this facility sorry sorry this threw me off penel Cru
planning sorry I'm just got moment with the the new microphone so we aren't amending the applicant is requesting to amend their application and they just have a a variety of the uses susette listed as just options that are out there nothing
is proposed at this time they were just some uses that are now allowed in our in our conventional zoning categories that weren't really uses that were back in ' 07 I think when this was approved it wasn't something that was in a lot of the puds and so they're just trying to add that flexibility nothing's really
proposed right now they've had I think only a couple calls and the applicant can speak to this about maybe doing the this the storage use um but other than that it's just to provide that flexibility well correct me if I'm wrong but if we approve this I'm sorry correct
me if I'm wrong but if we approve this this subject here um and and then when they they come before us for an outdoor storage facility they wouldn't need to come before they would just submit a site plan submit a site have to meet all the
special requirements right so there's you know if we don't like it at that point it's it's too late we we've already let the horse out of the barn right yeah they're asking to they're asking for the uses it's it's whether you want to recommend approval or not right okay yep they won't have to come
back before us if we approve it now all right good with anything else for now for now cool B nothing thank you Daniel um yes I'd actually like to bring up the same comment um just doing a quick
recursive I found we have 11 other storage facilities in Port Orange for within a half a mile of this property um and they're all full and half of them have boat and car storage and actually they're not full um all of board storage is actually struggling with capacity
ases than that so um do we really want want to approve another storage unit inside of Fort Orange I love the other other um plan uses for this I think those are great ideas I just don't know if this storage facility idea here do we need any more we' have five with an a
half mile radius in a a a major cross intersection of dun Lon and 95 which would be great for retail which would really help the the folks of Port Orange more than just another storage unit um so I don't I don't know if there's there's there's any way we can approve
the other items and not the storage unit but I'm greens that once we approve it then there's no pulling it back out later and I don't know if we really want to I really want to see another storage unit in Fort Orange that's just taking up more land use if I can back you up
here for a second is is this are we allowed to amend the amendment can we make it so that all the other things are approved but not that I I don't think we can do that we can do a a recommendation yeah can we do that so you're recommending and can yeah
that's corre move I guess you can make a motion to you can amend your motion on your approval of of what you're approving as your recommendation okay so we would essentially approve all of the
other um things and you could recommend approval to recommend approval and subject to removing removing the storage right hey I mean because I agree uh with you guys I the last thing I want to I would love to see something on that
property it's been empty for years and years and years and I mean ever and but I the last thing I want to see there is another storage unit I was praying that there would be no storage unit or no medical building actually but either one people need to stop
buying so much crap yeah time to purge people Daniel you got anything else uh no I think that Mar anything else for you there that that was it yeah um the question I had was the Ingress egress so and I I think Mark brought it up there's really only
two I guess uh Ingress egress that would get you to really roads out there is that right one that goes behind the sites A and B through summer trees there's like three is there three and they can go out by the um yeah there's
three of them can you see it will have access through the BF you come in this way y oh there's access there's you know access through all of them right here this for a summer trees back road through here M um there's cross
connection through here there's access here yep and there's access here okay there is access over there by the BF by the Yeah my concern too is this is another Storage Center okay uh I think we're good with you uh
Mr posie you want to come up and earn some money for the night well I I Joey posie 420 South Nova attorney for the land owner and just add a few points um you know it's actually been the same owner since I think for the last 27 years that's owned this piece so um that's a little rare here
but um you know the idea going into this is when it's been sitting vacant and trying to find a user um you know I recognize that there's a lot of storage facilities that have come up online um you know I don't necessarily know what their business is or how their model works except to the extent you store
things and everybody forgets about them um the the the thought process behind why we thought those two uses would be helpful here is in one to try to lessen impacts it really was um all the other uses in the MDA we'd have to go through the same process of site plan approval
or you know the like with the same considerations what does the traffic flow look like what is what is the Environmental what is the preservation all of those same considerations are the same check boxes except by but we're talking about potentially a hotel we're talking about potentially um uh some
kind of another retail strip Plaza which I mean just by the nature of the use has a exponentially higher impact in terms of Demand on utilities and you know the network so you know the questions you're asking if the concern is um I guess to
try to do the best you can with the property with minimizing the impact on the public network that's the point of those two uses if the if the goal is to you know again it's just maybe a policy consideration from the nature of
11 storm or storage facilities I can agree to disagree but I understand where you're coming from um but that that is really the nature of it and we've had a few inquiries but the inquiries usually stop when well do you have storage are you allowed to do it well you don't go any further than that because time's
money in their world and uh that's the end of discussion but you could still do a nice facility out there if you really wanted to so um that's that's really a little bit of the color to it and that we'd have to go through the same site plan de development process you know
it's not the only stop that it happens to stop here you know it keeps the neighbors involved if there are neighbors that are curious what's going on uh but it doesn't change the nature of I guess the impacts because in my mind what's already allowed there is just it's just far more impactful if
you're if we're talk the way we're framing it the way we're talking about it so um that's uh I think my side of it but I I guess if from a a direction from this groups in their recommendation you I can understand what you would want to move forward with and in terms of
recommending approval versus what you would want to move forward with and with a uh recommendation Of Denial in whatever way but um just I want you to understand that that was the goal and why we were looking at this from that P from that point of view uh and it it did
make some sense given how set back it is because it's behind retail it's you know two pockets of property that is got a giant retention Pond owned by the city there's a large retention plan that serves Summer Tree um you know there's some logic to why that would make some sense there even though there may be
some site plan related items you'd have to work out from a traffic standpoint and your project is dictated by your traffic too in that regard so it's not like you get to build the biggest building you want if your traffic doesn't work so um those are my points so I'm happy to feel any questions or or
try to um you know work through maybe concerns that I hear but uh uh I'm available either way just one two words bourbon distillery can we vote on that I was going to say can you go back there meet with Brendan and and see what
you guys can hook up we need a vote and somebody to would move back there that's a tough it's two tough Parcels back there it really it's kind of kind of Orphans back there Mar you got what do you want um no questions I'm good Daniel I'm good
moment oh yeah I have a question the um Talk going back to the uh storage facility on the property I think we determined or somebody did a few years ago and I know that uh uh Penny would
know that but the storage unit used T typically draws less traffic in my right and you know we're concerned about traffic congestion I know we have to fill that space and then create another
taxpayer but uh uh if we can do that and still maintain some you know uh level of of low op you know traffic occupation there seems like that would be a a good
use of that property to me I you know I agree with everybody we got a bunch of them around here but you know still something's going to go there and you know if we can build something that's not going to impact the neighborhood and traffic and utilities and everything
else it seems like a good option to me just my comment just my thought Mark um no real questions but I do want to make a comment uh I'm I'm not as as against the storage facility as a storage facility I'm more out against
the outdoor storage of boats and RVs in that location um every time i' I've seen those come up they're they're an isore and and we're not here to talk about how it would be built but I don't I don't
like those facilities because I don't like the way that they end up looking Scott um I I have to assume if the same owner's own it for 27 years that you've been trying to get somebody to do something on that parcel for some period of time and you're running out of
options and this looks like it's a reasonable use but a better one has not presented itself well that's exactly right not currently and um again it's right time right place in a lot of respects and um you know again at at
some point it will be filled with something um you know whether it's tomorrow 5 years from now I I can't tell you that and I can't tell you whether the impact of this amendment will even affect that either but what I I am trying to do is encourage folks that if the policy cons considerations are
impacts on networks are you know the impacts to Residents that are here then encouraging them to try to utilize those uses because they're available is the right time and the right place because when that discussion had you have that discussion it doesn't come back around
eventually and then they Circle back and say hey now we want to do the storage facility they say okay well I'm going to pick up my business and I'm going to go elsewhere uh from a location standpoint there's not much in terms of residential nearby you've got a big retention pond close by VFW none of them are going to
be complaining about exactly outdoor storage I think if it's done in a tasteful way it's not a bad use of that property St yeah I the only question I have is were you guys down there were you going to try to add on the amendment
you were talking about or are you fine with where we're at now because we're getting close to voting on this thing I'd like to see it separated on myself so are you going to make the motion to got to make a motion to approval subject to removal of uh what
do you want to do many warehouses motor vehicle and boat storage or any of those three yes sir exactly what you said yeah but yeah wait I just don't don't do yet yeah no I just want want you to get it in line with that okay figure out which ones you want to eliminate make the
amendment all right uh anybody else anything else would you thank yeah thank you for sir appreciate that uh public comment anybody here in the public want to speak to this issue I don't know you come on come on up just need your name address and let
us know what you think guy price 103 come up here so you're on record thanks guide price on 103 circling Wood Court summer trees um we've already got problems with fling in several of the neighborhoods in
summer trees 3 I don't know if this is the time to be bringing it up but the houses right behind your retention Pond they've been flooded a couple times here recently in the last few years and more more concrete on the ground is not going
to make that any better that's that's our major issue plus I don't know where it dumps out at in but if it's going down Williamson they've had a lot of flooding going down that way so that would just add more flooding opportunities for them
that's our major concern okay cool thank you very much yep anyone else come on up I wasn't saying on speaking but I guess now is the time my name is Carol Moore I live at 162 Magnolia Loop in
summer trees West um as a gentleman previously mentioned there is a lot of flooding that happens um I do have a concern naturally about the traffic I understand that a traffic study has not been done yet um because that corner at
summer Taylor Road and summer trees is already bad and the other thing too is that I think we need to look at the St John's Waterway um I mean if you go through the property at points it's only like this wide and I don't know if
there's any runoff from sites C and D if that's going to affect the St John's water way because there there is there is no place for that to go and I there was also um mention of our retention Pond please do not count on our
retention Pond for anything because they are at capacity um whenever we have a hurricane so we can't take on anybody else's um thinking that they can use well there's a retention pond in summer trees no that's not going to work um let's
see uh and then the was something also mentioned about the hotel um so I have a question CU I know we're building another hotel over in the Pavilion by the 5 Minute Oil Change so do we has it a study been done to say that we need
another hotel like within you know half mile of one another I mean that would be another thing maybe to consider um so anyway so again my concern about putting more concrete there is um the the runoff and where is that water going to go
during h hurricane I happen to live along the trail and I can watch from my office that that it's like a river I mean the water just flows um and and I don't know if we have even more concrete where's that water
going to go except up okay so um right now fortunately for me where I live it does happen to flow right past me but um with having much more uh added to what we already have unless something be done
with um the retention pond that's there um I don't know I don't know can it be dug deeper um is there any room to expand it um because that little Pond I don't think that that's sufficient for what we're planning here so that's my
two cents so cool all right thank you so much does any have questions for me no no no thank you okay Mr chair I could ma' just just to respond to you guys I just want to clarify a couple of things first of all we cannot prevent
them from selling their property that's not what we're here for they can sell this right now and build anything within the zoning that's already there we're just adding a couple of things to that zoning to kind of make it more desirable for them so unfortunately the flooding
and everything and if I'm correct they would have to do something for retention no matter what they build they would have to improve the retention in that area so um um just to clarify we can't stop them from selling it and building but we
can we yeah um yeah come on we can yeah I mean because you didn't ask me the question when I was up okay so to respond to that um I I
appreciate the fact yeah we're certainly not going to you know hold hold somebody's hand and say no you can't build this you can't build that but I've seen around Port Orange like especially like what is it Sleepy Hollow off by dun Lon where I mean you know there's I think there's something else that has
been done about like now you know they can build up this high and then it affects everybody else that's already lived there for 30 or 40 years you know and so same with me I mean I've had my place since 1981 like I said they would they would need to do something with retention as
well Stan wanted to say yeah go ahead I've got a family member that lives in summer trees and it's my understanding that all those ponds Home Owners Association property I'm sorry so all those ponds are owned by the HOAs correct so a lot of the maintenance has to be done by the HOAs
and I think it's been deficient there hasn't been a lot done out there well my flooded by both of them we've our ponds one is in summer trees three and one is in and the problem because there's four HOAs involved that that development
which is part of the problem right so um but for us like in summer trees West um we do maintain our pond we're you know we're we're on top of that our pond itself has never flooded we're getting we're getting way up okay I was just
responding to his question give you some suggestions here so if you want to talk about that this this still has to go before the council so there's another opportunity there and in between talk to the developer to the owner I should say yeah and and talk to to Community Development cuz they can help answer a lot of those questions that's the place
to go okay so so who who would it be that I would need to talk to about comp okay the people that are hiding back okay any other questions for me with the applicant no questions right here yeah all right cool anybody else
anyone else wants to speak to this all right bring it back to the board we got um you know we always go through this with the with the uh potential for for storage for boats storage you know and I've had conversations with people in that that industry and the boats and the RVs they
typically just sit there they they get pulled out once every six months and they get used and then they go sit again so and it seems to be reality too if you go buy any of those the acorn or or Andy's property over there off
Williamson and even the new one up by me there's just not that much traffic in and out of there right you just don't have it I know the Ingress egress here is kind of interesting cuz they got to go through some other properties you have something to say yes helpy Cru planning I just want to clarify there
are there is an exhibit B in the MDA that has a lot of special conditions in addition to the standard conditions in L development code with regards to to manyi warehouses all of the doors are required to be inward facing so it would
just be like almost like a screen wall on the back and then like the big buffers and the screen wall and then with boat in Moto gal storage that is required to be interior to any storage buildings so you wouldn't see
it post office well I'm talking about this property right I mean the the requirements are similar to what they just built across my posttop they didn't have they didn't have as many special requirements added that this one does okay okay cool um yeah that was my my
only comment I've always I've always had a aversion to putting in the the the prop the mini storage and Outdoor Storage but in reality it's it's not that bad I don't know about the capacity and how what what the uh usage is right now but you know the thing is PE they
aren't going to whatever they decide to put on there they aren't going to build it unless they have some idea that they're going to make money out it that's how these folks work well a lot of the new neighborhoods do not permit you to bring a boat home or any sort of exterior storage as well so if you're going to live in a place where we boat you got to go you got to have a place to
store it just my two cents so uh anything else from anybody here I was just going to add to that I also think what a nightmare it would be to get a boat or an RV in and out of that place you know I I said with the traffic on Taylor and Williamson the same thing
about Atlantic Marine when they were going in onone LW and they do just F down there it really does work well but I understand what you're saying but that's on them to figure it out we're just simply saying that St juice and you have to figure out how to make it work yeah of course assuming they even want it correct yeah and it still could be
any other use so that's just one uh okay so anybody else have any ideas you guys are good or you want to make a motion uh yeah not sure how to proceed with asking for an amendment on this but you could ask counselor she might be able to help you out
okay you can motion move to amend the the motion on the floor to whatever whatever you want I mean what what it is possibly be sub uh uh recommend approval subject to the
removal of X uses very good all right so I'd make a motion to make an approval um with the removal of the mini warehouses in Mobile motor vehicle amend the motion on the floor amend the motion on the
floor sorry to remove which to remove to remove the mini warehouses and and motor vehicle storage while approving the craft food breweries and private schools all right approval subject to mini
storage and motor vehicle and Boat Storage vehicle and Boat Storage okay all right you understand the amendment amendment is to recommend approval subject to the removal of the Mini Storage the vehicle storage and boat storage is that correct that's
correct have a second I'll second have a motion and a second on the floor so any discussion on this one I don't think it's necessary to remove that really I think it's a decent use of the property that's going to have to go
through processes to ensure that access makes sense uh I'm comfortable with the buffers that are being put up in place including having any Mini Storage surround any exterior boat storage well I don't see it as a negative I think it's a difficult
property to sell to anybody for any use it's all path what else you going to use it for don't disagree Stan what you no I I agree with what Scott saying I think if if this helps the owner find U somebody
that wants to use it go for it anything more fine good spot for a helicopter Pad but president was in town a few weeks ago yeah might come by selling gold bars
now now Daniel anything want to say anything more no I think that's all right do I need public comment on this one ask for sure any public comment on the amendment to this motion that we
proposed no you're good all right bring it back to the board uh if you want to take the roll call on the amendment to the motion uh Stan Schmid no Scott Stager no
Mark ban yes Daniel mle yes Maria Mills Bennett yes bo b no Thomas Jordan
no uh I believe the amendment passes is that right no motion failed so now go back to your got now go back to the original all right so motion failed sorry thanks I was counting on um so we're back to the original motion now any further
discussion good do we need to do we need to make that motion again or it just fall back to original motion stands now so cler would call the RO on the original motion to approve Stan Schmid yes Scott Stager yes
Mark Bolan no Daniel malago no Maria Mills Bennett no bo yes Thomas Jordan yes all righty good on that
one that's my first controversial thing for the public that's here um I believe I have all your email addresses um so I will be notifying you that it's going to Council on March 18th yeah talk to Community Development call uh call Mr
posie if you want to qu have questions answered they'll be glad to help all right moving on we're going to open the next two items together this will be um this will be case number cpam 24-3 this is a small scale comprehensive
plan future land use map Amendment for 4,9 and 4084 Halifax I have a motion to approve I move to approve case number CP 24-0 003 I think I omitted
ad second second we have motion to second on that one and we're also going to open up uh this next item which is related to this property so it'll be case number PR za- 24-8 plan commercial development
rezoning and second restatement of the catfish Commons Master development agreement and conceptual development plan going to get a motion on on that please Mr chairman I move that we approve case number P R za- 24-
00008 I'll second that was Stanley and uh Scott ster sorry sorry we'll get used to it all right Penny we got both open all right good evening pen crw planning so the first item before you um is a future land use map Amendment the property owners are
requesting to change the future land use of the two properties shown in pink on the screen there they total approximately 1.2 acres and the requesting to change it from commercial to mixed use um this is being uh processed concurrently with the second item which is the PCD restatement and
resoning of one of the properties um into the PCD so you can see on the map here kind of the double view of the current future land use the commercial going to the purple mixed use um this is to allow the inclusion of residential units within the PCD while still maintaining the commercial uses that are
allowed on there um the amendment does result in a net increase um in number of residential units and square footage as well as impacts however the impact analysis that was done and we have to use theoretical maximum which is always a lot more than What's um ever built but
based on that analysis it does show that all public facilities do have adequate capacity to accommodate the proposed amendment and any future anticipated development so the second item before you is um includes the rezoning of the
property at 4084 Halifax Drive from Community commercial to planned commercial development to add it into the catfish Commons PCD and also to approve the second restatement of the catfish Commons PCD Master development agreement and conceptual development
plan um right now the PCD is approximately 3.4 acres and when you add in the the property at 4084 Halifax it'll go to approximately 4 acres and it'll set up the development framework for these two properties to to red
develop um nothing in the MDA um right now the proposed MDA is changing the parameters um or uses that are allowed in the existing parts of the MDA that are um that are shown or PCD that are shown in Blue on the screen um all the
um changes in this restatement are partic are focused on these two other properties here so what this restatement does is is really like three or four things um it maintains those existing development requirements for all those properties you see in blue um nothing
there changes it adds the property here to the South the old funeral home property it adds that into the PCD and it establishes the framework for it to redevelop as a mixed use building with commercial uses on the first floor up to a maximum of eight residential units
above and a 12 slip Marina with on street parking um across Halifax it also maintains the existing development parameters for the property at 4 9 Halifax the Aunt Catfish Restaurant um but it does add the provision to allow
up to two residential units upstairs um another thing that's part of this MDA um you'll notice at the end of the MDA there's a section about the fee waivers that language has not changed that's been in the MDA since the very beginning however I do want to note that with the
restatement of the MDA it does extend that fee waiver for an additional 5 years out to 2030 so as with um most pcds and puds a lot of times you know you use this type of zoning because you need some kind of
flexibility especially in these um infill um areas of town old parts of town where you've got some like smaller lots and more constraints um so this uh this does include three policy issues where they're requesting some deviations from the standard Land Development code
requirements all three of these apply to 4084 halifa drive so the old funeral home property is um where all these appli to the first is to allow a reduced side and rear setback um so basically they're they're requesting um a zero
foot setback in the rear that's an internal PCD um property line so it's not it's it's part of the entire PCD it's surrounded by the existing catfish common PCD so it just provides that flexibility in the future if for some reason they want to put the building
there instead of here if this building has to come down um it's an internal lot line so that's why they're asking for zero there um the other one is here on this North Side basically they're wanting to um memorialize the existing setbacks that exist right now with the
existing building the building is currently set back 4 feet from the property line so there's two setbacks um there there's a 4ft setback if the existing structure is able to be repurposed if they get in there and realize they can't and they to tear it down and build a new building then
there's a 5ft setback for a new building again a little bit more of a reduced setback but it's a it's a tight um it's a pretty narrow parcel so to give flexibility on this infill um narrow parcel is why that's being requested the second um item is regarding allowing
parking spaces to um back out directly into Halifax Drive so there's uh two areas for this you can see right here on the existing conditions um since this building's been here and this building was built I believe in 1925 something like that um so pretty much there's
always been parking in the front that backs out into Halifax um they're wanting to be able to retain that ability to have parking in front of the building um they are looking to to push it out a little bit further so that they can provide this outdoor entertainment
area in front of the building um and then also and so they want to be able to maintain those existing uh five spaces that are there in the front and then also o be able to provide six spaces across the street for the proposed um 12
slip Marina this similar um layout was just approved um in 2022 the last time the MDA was approved for this property just south of it for a future proposed Marina here the same exact layout of proposed parking was
approved in that 2002 Amendment um the applicants have stated these parking spaces here are not expected in the orange for the mar not expected to be high turnover spaces you're pretty much going to park once or for half the day
um so that's that's another reason there um the third item is regarding the landscape buffer so typically roadway buffers are 10t for local roads um and then there's a 5ft perimeter buffer to the north so they're they're asking to
wave the 10-ft buffer um along Halifax here uh doesn't exist right now similar same situation and there really isn't one pretty much anywhere on this roadway because it's more of a residential um Street uh so the reduction there to not
have to plant that buffer there in the front is to be able to allow these to have these parking spaces to to maintain the be the the ability to have those spaces in the front like they currently do um which would restrict obviously planting a buffer here along the roadway
and then again to the north um the Land Development code requires a 5ot buffer um they're wanting again to recognize the existing building location which is only 4T so they're asking for a variable buffer of um 4 to 5T depending
on you know if the building stays or does not stay um but still be able to plant that the materials in that space But just they can't get that that physical 5T um and again also in this area here to be able to provide this
outdoor entertainment area in front of the commercial use so those are the three and these again only apply to this one parcel so with that um staff is recommending approval of the first item which is the future land use Amendment
case number CP am- 24-3 and also the rezoning and second restatement of the catfish Commons PCD MDA concept plan which is case number PR za- 24008 subject to approval of the future
land use Amendment and the three policy issues and here to answer any questions you have and the applicants also here cool Maria uh I think I'm good you answered one of the questions I had that I was confused about
um I think I'm good okay Danel um so for the ReUse or the the land use on 400 09 the apartments upstairs when I did a quick search it looks like that that building is only about not even 800 sare
foot um I tried looking everywhere to figure out what the minimum square footage is for an apartment in Port Orange I couldn't find it um also uh an apartment above an eating establishment what are our precedences on that in in Port Orange have we done this before um and what's the minimum you know
apartment size what would we yeah we we don't have a lot of mixed use right now we do have Provisions for mixed use we don't we don't have a lot that's actually been built um but I think the applicant can speak to that was actually a historic use there there used to be apartments on the second floor of the
restaurant I believe back in a long time ago so it's kind of going back to what used to be there um and there in the Land Development code there are there are minimum sizes for apartments there's ranges some of them are um 500 some go to 800 larger so it just depends this this would make two 400 foot places if
we're going to do two apartments on top of there because it's not even 800 foot for the whole top the building well that's looking at what yeah what's there I mean they we don't know we don't have any plans right now you know as far as what they would redevelop it as right it's just to give them the
ability to to put that there they would be able to turn that into apartments right now right no they would not that's why they're doing the future land use that's why they're requesting the future land use Amendment okay and these changes to the zoning to add those residential components while still maintaining the commercial
uses right now it's the future land uses just commercial so it's only commercial uses that are there the mixed use future land use opens up for a mixture of uses biggest thing is you you you have to meet all the parking requirements yes and there's also and and there's also the limitations for example on cfish you
can't have more than two units above that one and then on on this one at 804 um 4 484 Halifax that has the limit of only eight you can't go above those those thresholds and that's written in the MDA so that's what I was trying to figure out though is what's our our
minimum square footage for an apartment because right now it looks like if they turn those into Apartments it' be two4 so that varies based on the zoning yeah yeah all right good I think so for now for now I don't have anything right now
gotcha Mark um the parking spots for the marina are they going to be for people I guess U they're renting out those slips and the parking will be reserved for them I
believe so or transient but the applicant can come probably speak more to their their uses okay yeah part of that is already allowed right on on the other property south of it at 4 4108 4108 MH okay SC I'm good stand I was
just going to bring up the same thing with the uh with the marina because back when we did this originally it was a lot of discussion about we weren't going to allow any overnight parking in those spots across from the boat slips um that it wasn't intended to you know
you couldn't be chugging up the inter Coastal on deci oh there's a good place to stay and and tie in yeah those same requirements that were approved in 2002 for the one just to the South still are in the MDA like no I was thinking it was north of this but I gu
no it's right here so this this property here that you see 4108 can you still see that on your screen no we our okay there we go so um is my cursor right here this 4108 just south of this property that in 2002 is where that use was added in um
right here okay and the same parameters that were put in with like no overnight stays no Li boards things like that's still in the MDA that hasn't changed so is this new proposal actually an expansion of what we did back in 2022 it's an expansion in that you're
adding this parcel you're adding this parcel and pink here into the MDA and then you're the only thing changing for this parcel is the ability to have the two units above that's the only thing no I'm just worried about the just talk about the the marina yes so you're um
with the mixed use uses that are allowed on this that are proposed to be allowed on this property Marina is one is a permitted use on that right so it would allow um so the MDA right now as as proposed currently already allows the 12 slips here and then another 12 are
proposed here okay cuz that's what was screen up cuz I was looking at the one drawing and you had two yeah so this is do yes this is already this is already everything in blue is already you're talking to a color blind guy
sorry they're very similar colors too I apologize yeah yeah so this one where my cursor here this is what you saw in 2002 right and then this is what's proposed to be added now yes that's where I was getting yeah I apologize remember doing this
because we had a long explanation and a long discussion at that time so um yeah that's why I thought all right are we beating a dead horse here expanding it or what having DJ so so basically what we did back in 22 is still going to be
there it's just uh it's just going to put one parallel to it and in addition correct this because they've got more land now yeah this parcel here was not in play at that time exactly and I guess I was thinking it was closer to the to ant catfish than this that's
that's the other was throwing me off for a loop uh yeah no that's that's all I have cool you're good cool I'm good uh thanks Penny uh let's hear from the he don't bring no lawyer he don't need he comes all by on
sale money on he brought the boss with him so it's fine Brendon Gab property owner developer of this capish comms partner um just kind of falling back on a couple topics so um like in your state land leases they don't allow
overnights for at least our land leases I don't know about other people's but uh for the submerged land leas so overnights um L boards are not an option so like overnight parking shouldn't be an option or shouldn't be an issue um certainly um the Waterfront um we could you know put signage up there Marina
parking only or whatever is appropriate because um you know loation is important for that but also just understand the roadway I do look at it and I'm not a traffic engineer but I do believe it's a a little bit of a traffic caler when you put things tighter to roads you know and someone you know and that business can
speak to that but I've always understood the close you put things to the road the slower the the traffic becomes to miles per hour which I think is good for the neighborhood so that's just one consideration but um that's a little bit second hand information but that's what I've always understood um on the just on
the parcel to the South it has the original Marina that's um we a year and a half in the per right now we're coming to the tail end of it for the 12 slip um Shish um the DMC he's run Force but um we're down to pretty much figuring out where to um put the dredge material and
I we talked to Charles with brist and trying to get that worked out just like of it's you know buror you guys have to do some approvals on that for the city but that's where we're at just trying to we have to locate that um where that the spoils are going to go before they'll issue that permit Stu and it's a a fair amount of materal coming out of the
river and I can't I don't have any property to hold it so is that to go all the way at the main channel is that it no it has it has a box that they identify a dredge box or whatever they call it um you have to dredge within that area but um you have to have an identified location for it to be dumped or or set before they'll issue the
permit and that's I don't don't have access to that type of property myself so we're trying to maybe help out the the river yard or that location you know because it's it's viable material and it's a fair amount 1,600 yard or 2,000 yard or something that which I don't how many dump trucks that is but seems to be
something not to give it up and that's just for the the point we did in 22 for the 12 slip to the South yeah so that's in the works but it is just a long process and it's first time I've done it but we do have an engineer group working on that so that's that conversation um the um yes so the um residential on the
catfish property you when my dad bought the building both of those were Apartments um and he operated that for a period of time um it could be up to 5 years I don't know from he bought it in 78 open in 79 I don't know when he you know flipped them to to to restaurant use and and kind of move the apartments
out um but they were you know when I was a kid they were apartments and they had excess outside stairways and all that um we don't necessarily Envision going back to that but um you know I you just we want the option for that because um you know just um you know you know sit down
restaurant business with all the the the challenges with costs and stuff it could be something in the future we might um you know want to have at our fingertips to be honest with you and then try and repurpose a building that could um could honestly be a nice upgrade a nice remodel that we'd have to spend significant money but um I could see
that um you know it would be you know something that we would it's really a future thing it's not something we're looking at tomorrow but it's just something to have in our back pocket to say okay what keeps us Corner viable for the next 45 years because when we're 46 years in business now and at some point you know that's a long time for a
restaurant and um some point you got to spend significant money to to to bring buildings back up to par because everything gets old so that's just you know thought process of you know what's the future hold for the next 20 30 40 years and we'd like that in our back pocket if we could have it so that's just that conversation uh we do have CLE
bird across the bridge which is separate City different city in the shores but it does have living above and has CLE bird below has an apartment above that if that matter if to you or not but so we have a little bit of experience with that and um I mean you got to meet to certain fire codes and you know fire walls and all that but um and of course architex will lead you down the path for
you know sprinklers if you need them or not and all that stuff so that's a that's a whole separate conversation about what the the need is when you get to that point so but um you know we just we think it's one more step in trying to help you know redevelop this area and redevelop that side of town and and put in you know complimentary uses um because you know
I'm in the food business but you can only do so much food so I think you got to bring in a mix of of uses residential and Retail and you know I think the corner has been you know a great project and it's you know kind of we got two of businesses open now you know Revival lounge and um ax Bank is open and then
fox tail opens week from Monday March 10th so we're right on the coming with that one and then we've committed to doing the other incap um unit 104 with um Pharm social is a New Concept that we're going to do which is um Smash Burgers salads and lobster rolls so you'll see that probably late um late
summertime we're drawing the plans right now to do that concept cool is that where your driveth through is going to be right there no Fox the driveth through that was the easy one to get rid of we had we had a we had up that and two the two middle ones went surprisingly quick to be honest with you
we're happy with that but the the other in cap um you know no drive-thru and a little bit bigger space it's so so we decided to go and commit to that ourselves but I'd be happy to answer any questions or covering topics I didn't touch on did is it my dream I guess that wasn't that a
meeting room up on top of the restaurant at one point in time c um well the the north one is still a dining room um we took we kind of uh opened it up to like a loft it used to have the floor con the whole floor yeah cuz I was thinking went to some kind of meetings up there yeah yeah would have um it's at about 50 or
so we we kind of opened up to kind of get a two-story Lobby kind of a a newer modern feel and then we we lost we're down to 36 seats up there or so but I think it was worth it just to get the feel when you walk in the library the two store the chandelier and all that well that's one of the things that's hard to find is a small meeting space in
town because uh I belong to the chamber networking group we've been in about what um eight different buildings all over the place maybe you have yeah and it's just like all over the place yeah it's hard I age that's cuz we get
strong part of group I I'm good I love what you guys are doing over there I think place looks great and I'm a big fan of mixed juice thanate rard I can't think of a single reason why we would want to do this for you I hope uh I hope
you just hurry it up hurry up good Maria um no everything does this great he does a great job on everything so I have total faith in him I think this this could be a good project good deal yeah I I I like mix use I think it makes so much sense gives you
flexibility a lot of opportunity you're going to have it done by Mother's Day right lobster rolls are my jams so if they're not good I'm Coming For You Will Jud a little bit it'll be like Mother's or FB yes it'll be on Mother's Day might
be several years from now but yeah it'll be a Mother's Day yeah I may not be here either who know thank you friend just couple more comments um maybe it's off off top a little bit March 19th grand opening you guys are
all invited and I appreciate the city staff and you know what you guys have done with this document um to help us you kind of the little incentives um it's significant and what we do to be able to come before you guys and not have to stroke a check every single time you run out of money just be honest with
you it is hard and what you guys do for us is appreciate it you and helping us out financially and so we can you know spend the money on the things that are important which is getting these buildings out the ground you're certainly making contributions to the city you know that's that corner is been
a problem great once you got the gas station Theus place was at the chamber meeting this morning and he was just raing about his space he goes I've got 20 people that just stop in just to look at my space all right yeah really excited about yeah we we' got some great
tenants and we got a good mix I think it's going to be nice when all all four get open here by the end of summer cool good good thanks uh anything from the public wa Last Chance seeing none we'll bring it back to the board here hey um I've got
one item here I think if I could entertain a motion because let me bring it down here uh the original motion was just on those two items the second item has three policy issues which we should include so I would ENT aain a motion I'm sorry an amendment a motion to amend the
original motions uh to include the three policy issues which are allow the drive side and rear setbacks listed in table two allow parking spaces that require a vehicle to back out directly onto Halifax Drive right away and allow 10-ft
landscape buffers along Halifax Drive to be waved and allow a vared buffer on the North side so Mr chairman since I made that motion do we have to have three policy motions or can it all be rolled up into one one to include okay so can I
just change my main motion to specify that we include the policy issues to allow the side and rear setbacks listed in table two page five for uh 4084 Halifax to allow parking spaces that require a vehicle to back
out directly onto the Halifax Drive right away the motion and just just do an amendment just am the motion on the floor we got to vote on twice okay whatever we do go ahead you made your original motion I want okay anybody
else no no do you want to make an amendment to the motion to do those I'll makeing a St make that a motion we have a second on Mark's motion I'll second all right we're voting on the amendment to uh the original proposal which is to add the policy issues all those in favor
signified by saying I those oppose no motion carries all right so we have the original motion amended to include so we have both the uh the uh small scale comprehensive plan future land use map Amendment and the amendment
to the comprehensive plan future land use map including the three policy issues would you call the role please you need two separate motions for two separate votes oh sorry yes thank you thank you thank you yeah all right so we'll do the first one uh on cpam this is the small scale comprehensive plan
future land use Amendment Stan Schmid yes State St sorry still yes yes yes Mills Bennett yes bo b yes and
Thomas Jordan yes motions approved there all right now we move on to the second motion which was on the comprehensive plan future land use map Amendment with the policy changes policy recommendations it's not comprehensive plan commercial development rezoning and
second reinstatement oh thank you the rezoning oh yeah yeah yeah thanks okay with the with the policy you want to call the rooll okay Stan Schmid yes Scott Stager yes Marken yes Daniel malal
yes Maria Mills Bennett yes bo b yes Thomas Jordan yes congratulations guys thanks thanks moving on to other business any commissioner comments gentlemen ladies stand no no no
commissioner comments any staff comments for us tonight thanks a lot you guys do a great job make this easy we appreciate it that's it any public comments seeing none except a motion to
adjourn some moved motion carries thank you very much everybody