--------- The only concern for not carrying the insurance and being on the ground now really thinks one more really big event and you're going to see push the number down from 50 for everybody. I think it drops to 30.
I think they I think they force well and I think from a CRS perspective they force a multi-year look back. So you get 30% even if you stay at 50 I think they push it down to a three or four year look back. It doesn't matter where it hits. It
doesn't just have to So Miami is at 30%. I think I think what you're going to say is we're only going to get one more level event and they made that They come down on you. Yeah. I think that's where that's going.
I mean, we're already seeing we're already seeing [Music] I'd like to call to order the meeting of the planning and zoting board. Today is Tuesday, September 9th. It is now 10:04 p.m. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I
pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Roll call, please.
Chairman Sean P here. Member Randy Stout here. Member Lorie Simpson here. Member Michael Perez here. Member Ronald McDonald here. City Attorney Nancy Meyer here. All right. Fantastic. Little housekeeping first. We have
board minutes from May 13th and from June 10th. I will entertain motions regarding them separately. Correct answer. Um let's start with May 13th. Do we have any any questions or discussions on the minutes have been presented?
How can I get on that page? That's a different question here. I have an extra p. I have extra coffee too. Just got to yell at me before the meeting. Yeah, no worries.
Playing games or something. [Music] Not any other ones. All right. Great. Do I have a motion regarding those minutes? Motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? I.
Okay. Fantastic. And the next board minutes would be from the 10th of June, I believe. Any questions, concerns, or comments regarding those minutes? Okay, I have a board. I do have a motion.
Motion to approve. Second. All in favor? I. Fantastic. All right. Today we are going to discuss annexation. Miss Nancy, first even though there's no one here, you need to see if there's any comments
from the general public. Do you have any comments from the general public? It's like a city council meeting in 1999. Record's clear. We gave them them an opportunity. Exactly. Now, I'm sure there's a group that's very into spirits that is going to say
somebody is here. I'm sure that's the case. In that case, I will I will close it to the public at this point. Fantastic. All right. On today's um agenda, we are going to discuss annexation. You don't need to kick it to me. You can
kick it to the city manager. Fantastic. And then he can kick it to whomever he's kicking it to. All right. I feel like you kick the ball. All right. More than welcome to. So, the chairman and the members of the
board, thanks for entertaining this uh conversation. Uh I've been here about a 100 days now and I've uh gotten some input from council and the mayor and uh a couple of things that uh uh seem to be
reoccurring is the idea of annexation that it might be time to grow the city. And uh I'm definitely a team player. I don't like to do anything alone and I am not an expert on annexation. So what I thought was what what I asked is for my
staff to brainstorm on how we might go about this. It'll be a workload. I think I put that in the notes on the agenda. I wanted to assess it would make the staff busier. It would make this board busier probably. I wanted to make sure that uh we were we kind of discussed this and
had an appetite for for the same same goals. So, I think uh some pros and cons to everything. There'd be some great pros to growing the the city. We'd increase the tax base. We'd uh fill in some holes. Uh I heard the term Swiss cheese once when I was looking at a map
of there's properties that are surrounded by the rest of the city, but for some reason they're not in the city. Kind of make things easier for law enforcement, uh emergency response, things like that. Uh be some definite uh pros. Uh some cons would be with it with growth might have to increase size of
the staff. That way we're looking to spend some of the extra tax dollars we have uh that we might generate. There might be a gap. There might be some costs to uh um to uh putting out a communitywide effort to uh encourage annexation, that sort of thing. So um uh
Veronica put together my request a uh a draft letter which I put in front of you all and it'll be entered into the record. Uh but it's just a draft uh letter that we thought we would send to uh neighborhoods to every address in the surrounding area that we thought made
sense and we'd have a similar letter more tailored to commercial properties. Uh, but I just gave you the one that we drafted because it there'd be a lot of similarities, but um I'm not standing. [Music] Hopefully this is on.
All right, good. Um, so, uh, what we thought we'd we'd do as part of the process would be we could, uh, we could try to advertise on the radio. we could advertise on our website uh but also we could send a direct mailing to properties that we thought uh ought to
be belong to the greater future city of Port Richie. So uh thought we'd address some uh positives. Now I don't have exact figures now. We're still working on some numbers. I I was hoping to be ready by this meeting but I'm not. uh where you could do like kind of an apples to apples like what what is your
bottom line cost of staying in the uh county versus op opting to annex in. Um, but I suspect uh that even if it was a couple dollars more on the tax bill, if uh we did our job well of uh explaining the benefits of annexation,
which I've got a pretty good list here, that it might be u we might find more uh voluntary annexation or requested annexation. Um, at the other end of it, there's uh I got with the uh state and there's reporting requirements to the
executive office of the governor, the Florida legislature, the Bureau of Economic and Business Research. There's all kinds of u paperwork we need to send in and that sort of thing. But again, I think it's it's well worth it to round out the the city. I don't I haven't been here long, but I I don't feel like the
city limits are somehow naturally where they need to be, like not bounded by rivers or anything. It's artificial boundaries that I think it would make a lot more sense to uh to annex. So, I think there's um hundreds if not over thousand properties that would make sense. So, so I just wanted to open the
conversation and u and get a sense of if people have experience that with this, if there's an appetite for P&Z to uh might have to meet more frequently to deal with this, if it's a success, that sort of thing. So, I just wanted to be part of the conversation and uh and see if it's been discussed before. Again, I
haven't been here long, so maybe there's been some lessons learned in previous efforts or discussions that I might benefit from hearing. So, well, then I'll start the conversation. Yes, sir. It has been a conversation of this board for many, many years. I've been boarding probably 20 now and we've had this conversation several times,
Veronica and I, um, as well as the board themselves. The biggest problem we encounter in the city is we don't have an ability to or we haven't had, let me phrase that, we haven't had an ability to with maybe the new city council be able to have that to figure out a way to
incentivize people to do such. I will give you an very good example. Across the street from the city is a body shop that is owned by one of our city residents. He owns the physical property. We came in, met with Veronica. He's his intention and goal was to annex
that property and the one we sat in with Veronica. We and he was ready to fill all the paperwork out. And the biggest problem we he incurred immediately was not only increase in tax base, which he was completely okay with because he wanted the services. That's what he
wanted was he was not connected to our sewer and water programs and as such the cost to incorporate adding him to that just did was cost prohibitive extremely cost prohibitive like 20,000 or $30,000 per his costs on his property connect to the
line at the street just to connect his water and sewer to us made it extremely cost prohibitive and he was like I can't justify that in as well as increase my tax base when my rent roles aren't in alignment with it as it needs to
have the ability to offer anything to him to incentivize him any further and the conversation died immediately. That was the first that was the that was the most recent one. I think we did what two years ago, three years ago. Um, prior to that, it's always been an issue
of meeting with other people and parcels that are adjusted. And you're absolutely correct. We have a serious Swiss cheese problem as far as if you look at our zoning maps where we have properties that are in our future landings maps are disaster on the edges and you'll see
that there's a property here and on either side of them the city is and there's there's an isolated property in the middle or vice versa, right? There's an isolated property that's just belongs that's in the city limits and the other two are not on either side which should be a very simple conversation to have with the other property owners. But once again, when
you knock on the door of those property owners which we have done physically done in the past even some of the board members there's no there was nothing to incentivize them that's the part I think we need to start with and figure out where we need to go from there the what they get from being in the city
from a services standpoint should be the major reason they would want to switch over response times fire and water fire and fire and police is massive compared to the county it's night and day if you own a business across the street a body shop for inance Yeah.
And you have the ability to call if a car catches on fire and they're there in four minutes as opposed to 25 or 30 minutes, the building will burn down in 30 minutes. So it's that is well worth it. But I think we have to kind of identify further the real problem.
Matt did some study on this when he was here, the previous city manager, and he met with the and he met with the county manager and evidently the ability for us
to go ahead and annex in any enclave property is our right, not necessarily that they have to agree. And the county said they would go ahead at that time and absolutely approve it. And that was just
before he left that we had that conversation. And like the property we have right behind us, you got commercial property right right over behind our city hall that is still zoned for the county but is completely surrounded by
city property. And if that's the case, then uh I think we can ask our city attorney to go ahead and see if there are any restrictions for us to go ahead and force these enclaves to go ahead and be
annexed into the city. Not ask them permission, but if we have the right. Also, we understood that back when water from the city of Port Richie was extended outside of our city limits
that every one of those properties had agreed to be annexed into the city at a future date. And that was part of their agreement for us to spend the money to run our water lines all the way over and provide them for water. And if that's
the case, then they've already set a predic uh predicate for what we have to do. And you're right, if we go and ask everybody's permission, nobody's going to want to raise their taxes in any way, shape, or form. But if we have,
what do you call it? Uh rights from a early settlement to go ahead and get this, why couldn't we just exercise them? My concern at that point is it's I mean, let's be frank. City council has an uphill battle constantly when it comes
to media. Can you imagine the the media uptorm or the social media upstorm when you start taking over people's properties and increasing their tax base by $1,000 and somebody who lives in Regency Park that can barely afford to pay their taxes insurance. Now, that would be it could be disastrous to us to do to just kind of force people on. And
I know which properties you're speaking of. There's tons of there's pro there's probably your thousand properties right there which we've increased our our water coverage to right there. But I I mean I know many of those homeowners because I've serviced those clients many many times and many of them are living handtomouth as it is. So
I don't know that by increasing their tax base without their permission would be a social media storm. I don't know that we would be able to survive. I I know one of the pluses is that the water bill is there's a lower rate if you're in the city. I think it's 25% lower than the out rate. But I don't know if that would offset
I don't think it's going to offset a tax cost when your base your house is $250,000. Yeah. What's the rate we take to the city? It's about 69 forward if we pass that. That's a that's a tough nut to swallow if you're to get 25% off your c your water bill.
Yeah. So I agree with you that that doing it hostily is probably not the solution. Um, but I think part of the problem that you face with the what you get in your
list here is that because we have mutual agreements with county fire and sheriff and all of those things, these enclave properties that are sitting in the middle, if that car is on fire across the street, it's not like we're not responding. Correct.
We're the closest unit we're responding. Um, so they're already getting our services. So to me, if they're already getting water, if they're already getting sewer, and they're already getting that, if they are those the the very small the inner ones, the ones that are nestled right in, that to me is the
only place that I think you might be able to exercise a previous right that says, "Hey, we're going to bring you in because we're already servicing you with all of these things and you're not paying for any of it because of the managed services agreements that we have with all the other municipalities." Um, I think reaching out and obviously it's a long
discussion with the city and everybody involved, but you know, if you're dealing with places that are just north of here that are predominantly rental up there anyway, um, you could push a tax holiday out on annexing these people out and not get not having to pay that tax
or discounting their property tax for two years and the people that are going to be in there paying it next won't be those properties will change hands before there's an argument over when those taxes kick in or the rent rolls will increase to offset it. Yeah. Either one of the two
because it's in the city, the rent roll will increase so the rent will go up. Um I I think there's a way to have the discussion with people um of what you do get out of it. Um, and quite honestly things things like street service. You can drive through our Swiss cheese and
go from city Port Richie city road to countymaintained road to Newport Cherichi city road and it's like driving off of nice pavement onto the rodeo and then back onto nice pavement again. Um, and those are all things that we would be that's I think if you showed it as a
largecale movement so no one felt like they were being singled out that we're like hey these are the things that you're getting for being in close proximity to the city already. You're already getting some of our services and we either need to find a way to get the county to tax you for those services or
we're going to have to tax you for those services. Um, that's something those are different avenues to get everybody on board with it. You Mike brought up a good point, too. We're about to have to expend millions to upgrade our water plant. Yeah.
A lot of money. And one of the ways that might encourage people is if we increased the expense of getting our water to those outside of our city because we have to cover the cost of how
many millions is that new water plant going to cost us? We're u the number I've been heard bandied about is about $40 million for a new million dollars, guys. And If they're going to take our services,
they need to be paying a higher prrated share of whatever that water is because we're investing it so they can have better water. Yeah. By statute, Ron, I think it's 25% is the max you can upcharge non- city residents. So, we're at the max now.
But that goes into the same conversation. How many how many city council meetings have you sat through over the last 70 years where they brought in a jar of water and they sit on that on that podium and they said, "I'm paying for this." They don't understand that by putting a
new water plant in, we're going to increase the product we're putting out and perfect it, make it better. All they see is the same water jar that they've seen. If they Google Port Richie water and it hits there's 3,500 images of of brown water that's sitting on that on that carried one of those bottles
and and people that's pay for private water um cleaning our house right we have that you know RODI systems that we're changing the filters they're supposed to change once a year we're changing every three months so to the tune of hundreds of dollars on our personal because we don't want our kids drinking it. I mean,
it's there's there's a we we have to find the fine line. And I'm a big fan of annexation. I think it's it can do wonderful things for the city. It can do wonderful things for the residents. The ability to increase our tax base and actually utilize our green space would be amazing.
Waterfront park sits empty 99% of the times unless it's being utilized by somebody who's not a resident. If you drive there anytime as a resident, and I live across the water from it, 90% of the people are from somewhere from out of the city. They're not city residents that are utilizing that space. They're not walking through the park. They're
not taking their kids there. They may be using like the best part that we did there is we put the dog park in. There are residents use a dog park, but for the most part, everybody comes in from out of town. So, there's we have to find ways to incentivize those people or show them what they're getting. And you're on
the right track. This is spectacular. The letter is wonderful. We just have to be able to figure out how we're going to fill in and show them what the real the real value is. Response times is an easy one. There's not a person I've talked to in the past where I'm selling a house and say, you know what, you can buy a house at uninccorporated in Newport Richie and be down in Gulf
Harbors. Unless you're a boater that's got a sailboat, why wouldn't you want to be on Miller Bayou? Why? Well, Miller Bay is quicker. It's just quick to get on the the river. But the more importantly, if your house catches on fire, you got a response team in 30 minutes, five minutes. It's really not that big a difference in your tax bill. People buy here purposely. There's a
reason Harbor Point is here in the city limits because those people expect that level of service to be able to pay that tax bill. Yeah. So, I think it's we're on the right track. I just think we have to figure out how to make it happen. But if he writes and and you brought the point up, which is perfect. If he writes
that in here and include in this letter that your property is presently in the county and the response and then we show the response times for the county's fire and the county versus our response time. There's no reason we have to illuminate
it and let them see that we are by fiat going to have to respond anyway. And like you said, there's no natural borders showing the difference between the city limits of where we are. So as such, many people who have bought in Regency Park many times think they're in
the city of Port Richie because it says Port Richie on their other address. So we we get calls every day, correct? People who think they're in the city, but they're not because the post office, that's their post office address. People away at city council meetings from that podium that think that they're here to talk about their their residence
and they're just not they don't live here. And most of the people complaining about Fort Richie are people that don't live in Fort Richie. They have the Port Richie address and they live in the county. I have to explain that to them a lot. The US post office for that. It's convenient for them. But uh I mean, could we could we annex
everything that's in the county that says Port Richie? That would be like all of embassy. That would be a lot. Mr. Chair, make some comments. So, uh, obviously I've been preaching this for since I got 11 two years ago.
And so, the it's important that we we look at this in in in a right light. And so, we're small municipality. The county is a behemoth, right? And so, I think the approach to these folks, one, is is that we sell that we're local. You can
come in, you can know your your staff's names, and all that. We can provide a much better service in the county. um for these folks that are close in close proximity right when you do get the advantage of lowering your if you if you have the water service and it's obviously I think we should focus on that because the infrastructure is
already there um you're going to lower that immediately 25%. I did some analysis on the the actual milly. So ours is going to be 629. Uh I think by the time you change the fire and all the stuff on the county, you're actually only increasing your your advoc about 2
mills give or take. Um and so you are paying a little bit more, but you sell it from the aspect of is that for that you get much better response times. I mean there's times when the county police and fire even though we have mutual agreements, mutual agreements, the um you know they're waiting 30 45
minutes on domestic calls. I mean there's there's a lot of time that's transpiring for them to get public safety services and so we can we can bridge that gap for that extra 2 mills. Um we can also discount their water obviously back to the city rate. Um but a big sell is be able to come right down
the road come in city hall where there's a smaller group of folks that is more focused on customer service than what the county can provide. And so I think that's the selling point um is to is to advertise that. Yeah, you're paying a little bit more but you're really getting a lot for that. And um
one of the approaches that I think would be um most beneficial is up and down 19 is all commercial. It's commercial corridor. And when you start talking about police and fire response times and all that, that's that's a big thing for businesses, right? So they don't mind
paying a little bit more to have that quicker service and the ability to come in here and get their building permits and have all those things taken care of. So I think we focus on on the commercial. residential is a little different because there are people living hand-to-mouth and so it it might be very tough to to sell that but again
you you start to focus on some of the things that they do call in about where it's cold enforcement you know generally north of us is a is a relatively underserved area and so they don't get you know people I get complaints all the time hey people are cutting the grass and all stuff and I said well outside the city that's county dire but
obviously if we're able to bridge that gap and start to clean up some of those underserved areas that's a big selling point for the residents so I think You got to tailor your your um your marketing depending on who you're marketing to, right? The commercial, public safety, um convenience, the
residents obviously uh clean up blighted areas, make your property values worth more because we're we got somebody on it all the time and public safety as well because we're getting much better response time. So, I think that's the approach. Um again, it's a small amount to pay um to get a lot more benefit. And
again, it's really sell that, you know, we're local, come in, know our names, you can you can reach out directly to the mayor. You know, when they call Mike Corbala, you know, it's not like calling our city manager when they call the the county commissioners. It's not like reaching out to our council. So, there's there's a big selling point there to
have that personalized experience. So, I think that's a great I got a question. Uh if the property is going to be annexed and they currently have a septic system and they were annexed into the city of Port Richie, would they be
required to hook up to the the city sewer system? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, um I was going to ask that because you mentioned that one property in the Enclave back here that uh by annexing he was going to have to connect to it. That's correct, Veronica.
Yeah. So, um since then, that was a couple of years ago. Since then, we now have uh Derek working on resiliency and we can use uh CRA dollars for that. But yes, they would have to hook up to city
services, city utilities and water uh uh sewer and water. So, if they currently have a septic they would have to hook up a sewer. Yes. Okay. From an environmental standpoint, are there any grant programs that could help
them to offset that? Because obviously leech fields with all that contaminant going into the ground and into the water system, you would think there should be some kind of uh program to try and eliminate some of that.
So So there is grants to to do that. There's a big push to that. I would say we could also consider if that was if that was cost prohibitive, we could probably change the code to allow on an annex property that you could have uh septic, but the goal would be to help them over
time to get hooked up to sewer services. So, I think that would be something we could probably look at to that particular client in right phase in that particular client, that was the that was the big the big joke. He had literally just closed a permit out not even a month prior to for a new septic system. He had spent $9,000 doing like had I known that we could
have a different conversation but this time it didn't make any sense. We definitely look change in that. So I guess the next question is um this may be an anti question as far as annexation rules are concerned it does
it have to be um adjacent to a city property currently you can't you can't spot annex just like you can't spot zone correct okay can't we go ahead still with uh those enclaves like the one back here that's
completely surrounded by our property. We have to get their permission to get them back into the city since they're already here. Or can we annex them and just give them notice of that if we I see what Sean means about residential people getting real upset
about this, but the commercial side ought to be a little easier. What what I see for the enclave is depending on I don't know if they're currently county or what their um some of their appropriate I don't know
where we're talking about so I'm not sure where their location is countying county um for enclaves according to the statute that I read you're going to have to get an agreement from the county or a vote from the people that you're dealing with if it's one person two people 10 people I'm not sure the area
so there are still steps you have to go through you can't just go, "Hey, we're taking you." Well, that's why it's a it's a shorter in theory in in in written word, it's a shorter process than it would be if you just wanted to go annex the property um that's not voluntary because they are an enclave and the
that's what Matt was discussing with the county manager and that conversation and then if we do that boom then we don't have to ask their permission. We can just bring them in since they're receiving all our services to start with. So that might be something for Andy to pick that conversation back up.
Okay. Andy, if you meet with the county manager the same way that Matt did and bring that conversation back up, they were very receptive because they said their response times to try and get over here to handle our property was causing them some problems. So if
that's the case and you focus only on the commercial that we have that are enclave properties or even the few residential that are enclave, we might be able to at least start to show people the advantages once
we get them into the city. I think the commercial side is going to be the quickest and easiest way because there's a lot of advantage that I have a customer right now that literally wants to buy a property within five five acres in the city limits so he can he can develop it. You know how hard it is to find five acres in city limits? Yeah, we don't have that much.
But he's like I would much rather work with I want the services first of all. I want fire and water for his customers and then secondly he'd rather work with our building department because the county is such a disaster. The county is a mess working with our building department. and you can come in and talk to somebody and they'll explain it to you.
They won't even allow you to go in on a residential basis. You have to do everything online. Right. So that's what I was going to bring up was I think standing on not just pointing at hey we have better but standing on the performance of each
of those systems that we already have in place. You know going right now if we're talking about doing this fairly quickly. It's pretty easy to point at times to get a permit and being able to have a conversation about a permit and being able to overturn a substantial damage letter by coming in and having a
conversation which you cannot do at the county level. Correct. people that are still sitting on three, four, five, six months um of permits in play in in the county that can't get anything moving with the county um versus coming in and having a conversation with the building department, the police department. It'd
be easy for us to pull stats on where the crime stops at the edge of our city um and what the rates of crime are just outside those in different areas. It doesn't even have to be specifically their neighborhood as much as it is. We don't have this starting at the city
limit from a crime perspective. Here's what the response times. Here's how fast we've put fires out. These are stats that we can pull together pretty quickly as a group and show like this is the here's all the pluses. I think incentivizing is fairly fairly straightforward. We're not getting any
money from them right this minute anyway. So, if you can phase them in on the tax, um, if you can phase in a change to septic, because even unless they've just put a septic system in, we just went through a flood scenario, all of those leech fields, all of those
septic systems are compromised. Correct. So, every one of them is salt laden and about to be being changed and they're going to be starting to have problems with them. So you can go through pumping this thing three times a year until you can afford to change it or we can give you a deferred, you know, if it's
$15,000 to tie into se into into the sewer system and we break it into $5,000 over over the course of three years or some whatever that the council comes up with to break that out across that to make it, you know, or even honestly
waving to some degree waving it because we know we're going to recover it in tax revenue. Um, you know, we're not talking about a short game here. We're talking about if we if we lose two years of two mills to get into the to get a property in that's
going to generate especially a commercial property that's going to generate 20 30 $40,000 a year in tax revenue for the next 50. Correct. It it it to me it's well worth that. And then you don't have the problem of, you know, I think finding out if we can
annex the ones that say no that are enclaves makes sense so that we know what you guys can do. But I think being able to go to them and go, look, here are all the benefits. I get it. There's a little bit of extra money. We're not talking about 2,000 10,000 properties. We're talking about a thousand
properties maybe depending on how far out we reach. I know the staff I think finding out exactly what that millage rate change would be for each one of those properties when you go to do this if you're going to send a letter out like go to it's easy to pull their tax
bill for last year and go hey this is what your taxes will be if you become part of the city this is what you get for that these are all the things that you're getting for that I think if we were you know if we were talking about annexing 10,000 properties that's an
that's a huge daunting task. But if we're talking about, you know, three or 400 to a thousand properties, it would be worth putting a small task force together to tailor these letters to them so that they know what they're getting, what their costs are, and how those
things can be addressed. And I would even if you're talking about commercial, I suppose send it out to just a blanket approach, whatever target um you know, maybe a a quarter mile radius north of the city. those 19 or
just yeah well and I would go door tod door hand deliver a letter if need to be but um just to show that personalization but you know target it see how that goes and I'll say if that's successful then you then you grow it annexation is not a all for one I think if I remember I had a
conversation with with with um he said at one time they were actually trying to annex all the way up to 52 um and it failed I guess county got involved or whatever Um, but that was a big chunk. If we if we keep our focus small, we clean up our lines, we
start to grow, uh, you know, maybe a quarter mile here and and see how that goes. And maybe it fails right off the bat. But you got to have those ones that abut the city first anyway, right? So, focus on those and then your line grows and then you can access more properties. And as you grow up the corridor from commercial standpoint,
then you've got all the residential outlying it and you can go on more of a of a larger campaign once you have that commercial. And the commercial is going to be most most accretive to our bottom line anyway. That's where your real bang for the buck is on the commercial. Right now we have um a a list of about
60 enclave properties that we can start with. Are those commercial or they residential? They both uh they're a mixed bag. Yeah. So I think focusing the commercial is going to be your key. Let's think about let's let's look a little differently
too in the news in the media currently. Good old Ron is just always talking. He's preaching to everybody about how he's going to get rid of their property taxes if it's a if it's their primary residence. Well, if that's as those people who own property in the city, I'd love that. It'd be great. But I also own commercial property, residential
property that is income producing. So, I still will pay my taxes. I think we need to focus on the commercial properties particularly because like you said that's where the base is going to be because if that inherent brain scheme actually works out we're going to lose a lot of tax revenue. So I don't know that it'll happen but
it's possible. Well and that mixed bag of commercial and residential because of the fact that very large portion of our residential is technically commercial because they're investment properties. Correct. And they're rental properties. They're still those clients, those people that own
those properties are going to be seeing it as a commercial piece. So seeing response times, renters are not taking care of properties like owners are. So having city employees that are watching and maintaining and doing code compliance is going to
increase the value of their property, the overall value of their property. Um, so I think you're you're still dealing with commercial, but it also I think taking it in a small bite like that makes sense for us as a city purely so that we can see if it works. Not just works as whether we can get them
annexed, but also works on a load system on our existing systems. You know, we bring in those pe those and we take a take a beat and see how that worked out. Like, okay, that worked out. We ended up with a positive. We got more tax revenue. the the strain on staff, the
strain on resources didn't outweigh the positive. Okay, now let's look forward. You were talking about that, putting the pin in it, and I'm seeing this video game of I really want that property. How do we work our way to that propert, you know? Um, so like I can see us starting
to grow as we show those things. We have people in the audience that want to make the city bigger and better and and and the amenities better. you know, they're talking about this and I'm seeing what you've talked about and I'm thinking like, you know, we we show that it works and it's a benefit to the people that
got annexed in and the enclave properties because their life got better and the tax revenue got better and the city got better and then the waterfront develops and then you're not knocking on their doors to see about annexation. Then because they get free parking down there because they're a city resident
when they're going to the restaurant. Now you've got people calling you asking if they can annex in because they want the the amenities. They want the plus to being here. They don't, you know, they want to use the boat ramp. They don't want to pay to use the boat ramp if that ever happened. You know, any as we
develop those services. Um so I I I like the idea. I like the concept and I think there's a way to do it. Even the guy back here that's in the middle. I think I'd like to know if we can you It's It's good to know what you can do and not have to do it, right? It'd be nice to know that we could get it if we absolutely had to. If they just
fought with us over it, we could if we absolutely had to and it was causing a problem with everybody. But even publicly coming out and if you go to that person and say, "Hey, we really would like to annex you. I think it's a benefit for you. This is what you get. This is what we're willing to give you to get you to annex in." and they
still say no, then call your own press conference and go the county, it's costing the county this much money to service that property because they're on the other side of the city. They're so far away from county resources. It's, you know, here's all the things it's costing the county. Here's why we're
leveraging our right to annex it in because it's costing the county. It's c, you know, it's it's a a delay. It's it's cost, you know, it's not cost-effective. All of those things. I have a question. If it's not to cut my cough, but if it's a property that's enclaved and we
provide services to them, do we build the county for that? So, if the fire department shows up and responds actually I don't I'm not sure how that works if we get reimbursement or not. I I need one. And so, their call would go directly to
the county. The county would be dispatched and if they're busy or whatever, they might if we were if we're available, we they would reach out to us to service it. But there's no charge back or anything. There isn't. No. Okay. So, why don't we identify those uh
commercial properties, some of those 50 who are talking about it and like you said, go after let's go after them. Maybe even come up with a survey and send them a survey and ask them what's important to them and let them know this is what's what's happened. Well, as part of this
conversation, may does it make sense to expend a little bit of staff time to develop that what they what they cost, what they save, what they get what it's going to cost them those for just that group of properties. And do we take that as a test bed and say, "Hey, let's use
that as our data point to have to continue this conversation to get to, well, this is what it looks like." Because right now it's there's lots of kind of up in the air. It's about this much. It may cost this much. this is what we might have to do if they can we pull together on those 60 properties
which ones have septic systems what that would cost what their tax rates going to be like those to me seem like viable data points so that we know not that I want to put more on staff but um that way we can sit here and actually have a conversation like this is what it would do to the bottom line for the city on
taxes this is what it would cost the city to do to implement it and that way we can make a decision on you know like we've had a couple of meetings in here where We've talked about a bunch of things that sounded really good in the news and then when we sat down and did all the math, we were like, it's going to save the residents a dollar each,
right? And it's going to take us a year to implement it. Like, does this make sense? Is it really? So, we do have some of that data here, but we can expand on that for sure. But there is one thing that we did notice that we did see. Um, the property has to
be, and this is where we would need NY's uh input as well. From what we can see, the property, in order for it to not be an enclave or to remain an enclave, it's got to be developed. So, if it's vacant property, it isn't going to work. It
would have to be voluntary. Interesting. So, we have to look into that a little bit further. But, we did, Ron, we did to answer what you were saying earlier with some of these properties back here. We we kind of looked at that and we started on that side with those vacant
properties, but they're undeveloped and so it kind of gave us a roadblock. Uh we're at a bit of a roadblock. So that's something that we need to discuss a little bit further with Nancy and get her uh expertise on. Um but on some of these
N your firm deal to my know the answer is yes. Everyone does. Um, is there like someone that specializes in that? I do not know I'd have to ask that question. I've never asked that. Um, your question, yes, it has to be
improved improved or developed. Yeah. So, and I did speak to Pasco I didn't mean to cut you off. I did speak to Pasco County as well. Their uh planning department uh department and uh we the city currently has a piece of property
on Vandor that we're looking to annex out of the county into our own city. And I did bring up the fact that there's residential that abuts that property that we own. Um, and I just asked her the simple question. Would the city have
an issue if would the county have an issue if the city was to send letters to all of those residents along that side of the road um for annexation? And she told me there would be no hesitation. So, I don't think we're
going to get much of resistance from the county depending on where the the you know, if it's an enclave or not. I think that's going to be our biggest battle, but I don't think we're going to get much resistance on annexing in if they're budded up and they're developed
and they're, you know, moving forward. So, that's something else we can look at as well that we are looking into to see if we can start somewhere, right? I would agree. I don't think trying to annex in a thousand 2,000 homes at one time is going to help. But if we start
taking little chunks at a time and we start seeing that, hey, people want to come in, then it's going to help the street across the street. It's going to help those residents and before you know it, we have a whole subdivision that wants to. And so I think taking little bites at a time, I think will help us
long term. So I I met with Mike County administrator as well as with Matt and uh and actually when I had our joint westside meeting I had brought that up. So from the from the county perspective it really is a no-brainer. They still get the same advalum tax from these
folks. They don't have to service it. So it's it's it's immediately positive to them because they're getting the money not to service it. So if we take some customers off their hands, right, they they'd be more than happy to response times will improve for the remaining Exactly. Um, so
they're they're very obviously they want to be involved in the plans and and all that and Mike asked what what would be your thought and I kind of shared the same thing but my goal would be is if you got a bridge address you're poor city port city porti so I don't think we're having issue with county going
forward as long as we're servicing and doing what we're saying we're going to do there's a couple things that when I looked into the uh annexation law whatever I think and Chris wrong Nancy but there's if there's 10 properties or less I think you can actually do that without referendum and that may be old but that was kind of
original there. I reference for this today and I did not see that there was something about that like I said it could have been changed but from a commercial perspective I think you got to get 50% or more and you can annex them all even the ones that don't want
it. Um and on residential it goes to referendum unless it's unless it's 10 property owners less like check in that I' read that somewhere. So, and to respond to the to the vacant property, that's just talking to the property owner and saying, "Listen, you want to this is a very easy way to
increase your property value by annexing this property in the city. You can now offer the services to the person's going to buy it or whatever the developers." That's easy conversation. I'll have I'm happy to have that conversation myself. So, and what and I mean vacant land, what's the tax bill on vacant land?
So, what it's going to cost them extra each year is nothing. Especially properties like that one back there that's been the same owner for a hundred years it feels like. So that's going to be easy. So I wish you'd say so. Oh yeah. No kidding. So there's a there's a lot to be said for all that. I think the
the key is going to be crossing the bridge. I think starting small is the the way to go. If I could not instead of sending out just a letter and even if we put date in, you know, it's going to cost you this or whatever. I I think at least getting started, you can even reach out
to those budding property owners that are commercial. Invite them in for a meeting with myself, city manager, to talk about annex, hey, we're interested in and see if you'd like to be a part of our growing community. We want to lay out the services. And then at that point, then we can actually share some numbers with them. And I think you
you'll get a a better cell if you do it that way as opposed to just send out a letter and hoping they respond. So set up a meeting to come in, visit the facility. I mean, there's there's lots of ways we can do this. Well, if we have the ability to bring them without asking their permission, wouldn't it maybe be
better to bring them in and do it as a declarative statement? I want to tell you we're going to be annising the property and here's the benefits we're going to give you when we do it instead of would you like to come into our property?
We have the legal right to annex that propert. My response would be here's the attorney, here's a letter from my attorney. So, let's have that conversation. More than one way to get there. I think our I think the goal is to try to have voluntary annexation where we we sell the idea to someone that goes, "Yeah, I
want to do that." So, it becomes voluntary. So, it's an easier process on the the next phase. The other way is to go, "Hey, as the city, this is what we're going to do." And that's going to end up going to a vote. You're going to they're going to declare this this area, these boundaries, this many. This
is what we're going to do. And it's going to be most likely a referendum. You can't just say we're taking you. Yeah. So, right. So, I don't know if we do that when we when we go ahead and take land for public use anyway. Well, that's eminent domain is a completely different thing. That's not
the same thing because if someone's going to live there, you're not taking this property for public use. It's someone's homestead, right? You're saying we want your home to be part or your commercial business to be part of our our city. Please come join us versus we need to take your land to, you know, build the interstate. It's two very different
things. So rather so let's say we select 50 properties north of the city along 19 corridor right we invite each one of those in and we get 26 of them you could take the whole buck at that point it's my understanding so but sell it get your
get the ones that are voluntary and then once you have over 50% then you can absolutely um you know living in the county or living in the city years ago there were four things that were different. The the fire
and leaves were a big deal. Yard debris pickup not a big deal. But the third thing, sorry, the third thing that I don't see on this list is road paving. And if you're in the county, you're assessed like two to 4,000
for road paving and in the city are not. And I don't see that on the list. So that'd be a good selling point. I think if that's I was hoping to have better numbers for you. I've got to wrestle the finance director to the ground. We've got a lot going on this month as we close out the FY, but we'll try to get some hard numbers
so we can compare apples to apples. And that's how you sell the millage rate increase, right? Like, you know, okay, yes, there is a millage rate increase to live in the city, but here are the services that you pay for personally in the county that are included in what
you do with the city. You know, we you know, you you're not paying someone to to haul debris away. You're not paying someone to pave your road. They're not You're not going to get hit with a $10,000 assessment because you have 200 feet of road, you know, abuing your property. That's part of the tax base.
You're already paying. That's what you're paying for. So, compare the bottom line apples to apples. Even though the lines that get you there might be different than what I I can rework this. This is very preliminary. No, this is this is awesome. We're just I'm going to add to it and reformat it.
it it it's very preliminary but I am taking notes on what everyone is stating so that I can make sure that it's added into this and then I could break it down by departments I can have a little bit more factual information from the numbers from the tax is uh you know from the tax side of things um
we we can certainly I I can certainly work on that so let me ask a question this is directed the city manager and the mayor both from a timeline perspective and I know you've only been here 100 is welcome by the way. Um,
what is the timeline you're trying to start with initial letters having conversations? Are we thinking this is going to happen first quarter of next year? Are you trying to do it squeeze in last quarter of this year? I mean, what I mean that's that's where we need to start. That's part of why I wanted to start this conversation. I I think I guessed
correctly. It was already on people's minds. There's been talk and thought about it before. So for years um I reviewed the uh city code and it said uh the PNZ part P&Z board party responsibilities is to pursue logical annexation of contiguous lands prepare a
program to present to property owners the reasons why they should annex to the city. So the letter is a good start and third was develop an annexation timetable and a five-year plan. So I don't want to wait five years to start. I' I'd love to have accomplished a thousand or whatever properties it is by
the fifth year. So phase plan is uh great. I'd love to start right away doing just a little more research for finding the letter. I'm not a marketing expert, but I thought maybe an open house after we've put it on our website. People have gotten the letters where they I can tell them they can have an
office call with me and the mayor or uh andor come to an open house that we could hold here. It's just thought that uh I think I don't want to sign us up for more than we can bite off, more than we can chew, but what do you think? Uh when do you think Veronica we would to
do this additional staff for? Well, all dependent on the the weather, right? Um I I mean I can have a letter within the next three, four weeks. I can have, you know, do my research and and get a letter put together the next P board. We might be able to
have like an edited letter some of the additions that Oh, sure. discussed here. How about if you start with the enclave properties at the low angles of the enclaves and let's hit those smaller enclave groups and then see how it's going to fly.
And the commercial I I think I heard loud and clear the commercial and most of them are probably already water hooked up. I'm guessing the the septic is maybe a oneoff uh that kind. So well I think I think with the data that they're going to put together um we can
create effectively a grading rubric that says you know okay enclave property one point connected to water and sewer one point you know we can go through and find the absolute lowhanging fruit to be the first ones that we start with like you know you're you're an island of
county in the middle of city services and city land and you're already connected to our water and sewer and and and and and okay you're the first one getting a um working your way across to the people that are all right, you're not connected. It's going to cost us money to get water and sewer to you and and
and like they should be the furthest ones out, but like you said, as we grow, then we're getting closer to them anyway. Um and I I think there's a logical step, but there's definitely some lowhanging fruit that's already absorbing a tremendous amount of our work because we're not just talking
about being on the water and sewer. The ones that are on the water and sewer north of us are also absorbing a fair amount of money when there's a break in utilities services and our public works guys that are up there digging up a road somewhere in the middle of the county um
to try to get that water stuff done. So, they're chewing up resources beyond just water um to be connected to our water. So as low low low hanging fruit is concerned that we add several of the properties that are on US 19 and the corridor that that are ab budding city
porch here that we should just include that in the initial run. So because the be easiest conversations to have anyway so those people are going to be ones that are knocking the door anyway trying to run right here be first line up to yeah they're right next door and they're outside.
I mean they call police we literally just walk over next door but we can't do that walk quickly. Yeah, submerges. Um, but so you asked a question both of us. So obviously my answer would be yesterday we should have been started this year. I read that same thing back two years when
I got elected and looked at what plan is only supposed to be doing is annexation stuff. So we should be I've already had that fiveyear plan put together. So the sooner we get on the better the last 20 years. Yeah. I' I'd love to get a couple couple of them done during during this or this
calendar year. I'd like to get some done god before the end of the year. It' be great. And then FY or counter year 26 be the year where we're knocking it out and the word spreads that it's, you know, the city's working with us. It's it's really good. And hopefully kind of a word of mouth thing.
You brought up a good idea um as opposed to some letters. We could even actually put an open house together, invite those businesses in for the open house. We'd have the whole council here and make it a, you know, a public meeting where they can actually come and ask questions. One of the departments that they're going to benefit from
have have your fire chief here, have your police chief here, have your utility, head of utilities here, you know, have somebody from building here that explain to them this is what you're going to get. This is where this is what's going to help your business. This is what's going to help you. Especially if you tie in the statistics about what's already there because I got
with one police officers. You showed me the average wait time was 23 minutes for the sheriff's office to go ahead and respond to calls. 23 minutes. They have to be liberal. I think we need I'm getting publicizing wins half an hour.
I I think we need to publicize wins. If somebody annexes buys a piece of property and voluntarily annexes it into the into the city that's above because of benefits they get by being part of the city to develop it. So like they take they start taking advantage of our our future land use map and start
taking advantage of things they can't do in the county that they they bought property and annexed it into the city specifically so that they could utilize working with us to do a PUD to build something good. You know that like we need to make sure we publicize those wins
so that we we need to get some wins. Well, but as they come, I think if we're doing this, there's a lot of conversations of things that are going that have been coming for many many years and we keep voting multiple times up here and having conversations and a ticket to council gets voted in and it's still sitting stagnant. So, we need to see those wins
happen across the board too. So, that has to some fruit of our labor so to speak and one thing you can obviously just we two workshops in hopefully we'll finish our third workshop on the sign code. We're basically going through that what you guys are seeing and I say we're going through just let's say gutting it
but we're basically taking line by line and and making business friendly changes to that code so that hopefully we get that ordinance across finish line it's going to be a lot easier to do business here than anywhere else. So, should we pass them and offer a
motion that uh we go forward and look at all the enclave properties that are available for possible approach? We need a motion for this. It's just direction, right? Yeah.
Just Yeah, consensus is fine. We don't we don't we don't have a physical motion, but Yeah. And I think staff's already in agreement this needs to happen and wants to run with it. I think so. So so so are we suggesting that we have an updated letter and
everything else by our next and then direction to be able to pull the trigger so you guys can start sending the letters out and maybe set us time for a workshop. Yeah, I'd love once we get right through hurricane season. I'd love to in the next month our products letters and a timeline that I
feel like we I can work on that that feels achievable. Sure. get a lot of a lot of things done in the next say nine months. Is that possible? Get the can we get to a um open house before the holiday season? Is that realistic? Oh, that's realistic. And we probably call it
be an open house. It'll be a workshop. So, the council going to be here and uh when is the next P&Z meeting? Uh it is October. Oh goodness. Sorry. And we we can think how to approach it. It could be uh focus on annexation or or
the workshop could be focus on business and annexation's a big feature of it and we'd have the police chief and the fire chief here and the department heads and how how city portion can help your business grow because we we want to be business friendly and we we'd probably get some input from business owners on
here's a roadblock you can smooth out that sort of thing. What did we say? The 14th. 14th. One o'clock. One o'clock. I think my marching orders. I really appreciate the time spent and uh so I could get a feel for uh past experience and what's on now. So, we'll uh we'll
try to focus on what do we call it? Low hanging fruit. the lowest hanging fruit is the piece of property that the city owns outside the city. So, we're already working on getting that one uh inside the the lifeline and we'll target the Swiss cheese ones, the enclaves and the
commercial and uh try to have a longer term plan for the rest fiveyear plans. Thank you. Okay, I think too please. Is there any any questions or comments from the public? You missed you
missed your your initial one. So, sorry. Ryan Burke, for 29 Harbor Point Drive. Um, I'm actually here just kind of hoping to get some feedback from you guys. Uh, I've got John here with me who's uh general contractor. We're looking to put uh an addition onto our
home and that addition will potentially end up being 2 ft over the current setback, but it will be still 25 ft from the property line. So, that's going to be three from the other side of the property line. How do what do we need to
do to do that? Right. To the building department and let's talk about that. Yeah. Excellent. Yeah. It's a it's actually for it's a different board as well. So, that would be that. So, Wonderful. And then real quick, so you all know, we're gonna have something in front of you in a couple of
weeks. I thought that's what you were coming to tell me. So, come on. I just said I want fruits in my labor. We've got uh we do we've got full renderings that we're going to bring to you guys and informal way to take feedback and really do what we set out to do is work with you guys on this. But we're close. Um we're working on
hopefully we have permits tomorrow. Crossing my fingers. Thursday. Thursday. as long as everything do the clearing and demo so we can get the properties cleared and ready to to start building. Perfect. Um so we we're going to kind of do two
phases. We're going to start building on 19 and it'll happen concurrently. But once we're done driving piles on 19 and there's other folks in that's why it' be key helping us as well logistically then we start driving pilings on the next and so kind of do them staged together.
Nice. Um, but yeah, we'll have something for you guys to look at here really soon. It's just a it's a big project to get to where we are right now, but uh we we've got I think majority of our financing figured out to actually go
ahead and do it. We're looking at um somewhere around $58 million on the 19 property and about 80 million on the um old guild dogs property being invested in new bu new structures. And that's the win we need for annexation.
It's exactly what I'm talking about. Now, the render you're going to have is going to show the waterfront development as well as development. We're going to clarify that like we're starting on one then move to the next that we get put up on 19 so everybody
can see what's coming. Sure, happy to. Um, I get a little worried about uh last time someone saw pictures of something. It didn't go really well for me. You see something coming soon?
Coming. Um, but uh yeah, and and we're also open to soon as it's cleared, allowing the city to use it for, you know, farmers markets or whatever you want because it won't be immediate. It takes time for us to then get from, you
know, approval here. Um, and then I think we got to go to console again and then we've got to finalize the financing. So, I think I would love to be shovels in the ground in January or February. Um, probably a bit optimistic.
It might be more like March or April a little bit. But you'll have time then to there'll be a period of time where the city can we want to be good partners. city can use it for any anything they like in that interim. Are you going to put a pre-sales office up over there? Don't know. We're hoping to meet with
some folks uh here in the next week or two strategies around how much is sales, how much is rental. Um and then obviously we meet you all. We take your feedback on that. Um and then we've got I think a
really good plan for the the retail side of it. um and the the public use side of of everything. So close wasn't the reason for being here. I do this really important for my daughter on this edition. So appreciate we got to
put a place for her to practice golf. Hey Ryan, I um I know S reached out on your clearing. You're going to bulldoze all the property stuff on correct. That includes the uh the bathroom facility on that corner of uh unless the city would like it. Well, so that's S was supposed to be getting an
estimate to see if they could actually move that to one of our parks, the bathroom facility there, just to see what the cost is because obviously we got the bathroom we place. So if before you tear that down, just make sure that Yeah, we're good with that. Anything the city wants Yeah. from the property, it's yours.
I know. Thanks, W. How many years? We don't want the boat. Go take a picture with the boat. Any anything else? All right. Appreciate it. Yes. So, we'll come. Thank you.
All right. Anything else? Any other discussion? Okay. All right. I entertain any other motions. There's one. Okay. I have a second. Second. All in favor? I. Thanks, guys. Part: 2
Nobody would find me. So he went around the day we got married introduced himself as Mr. City, September 9, 202 invocation remain standing pledge. Heavenly Father, we come together for this meeting of the city council of Port
Richie to make wise decisions for our future in the city and also that we have a carefest coming up and we already have some Port Richie residents who have asked for assistance with their homes. That would be 9:27
at Waterfront Park where we start. And we ask in heaven's name, we ask everyone to do their absolute best in Jesus' name. Amen. United States of America and to the republic for which it stands nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Mayor John Eric Hoover here. Vice Mayor Chris Mayer here. Councilman Robert Hubard here. Councilwoman Lisa Burke here.
Councilwoman Christine Sullivan here. City Attorney Nancy Meyer here. City Manager Andrew Butterfield here. Thank you. Okay. First up, uh we have four sets of minutes. I'll just go through each one of them. So for a motion for the July 1st city council workshop minutes.
Motion to approve the July 1st council minutes. I'll second. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. Motion carries. Next up, I need a motion to approve the August 18th, 2025 city council workshop minutes.
Make a motion to approve August 18th minutes. Okay. U I got a motion that you second. Chris second. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify saying I. I. I. opposed. A motion carries. Next up, I need a
motion to approve the August 20th, 2025 city council special meeting minutes. Motion to approve the August 20 city council special meeting. I'll second. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I.
I. Opposed? Motion carries. Chris, we can't hear you. I don't know if you're saying anything or not, but uh so next up I I was I was an I. Okay. Um next up is uh need a motion to approve the approve the August 26, 2025 city council
workshop minutes. Second. Okay. Okay. I got five with a second and uh all any further discussion. All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Next up is comments from the general public. I do have one signed up. Pat Rogers.
Welcome. Oh, okay. Signed up for the right. Okay. Okay. That's all I sign up. Show hands. Everybody up. Come to the podium. State your name, address, and record. Uh Devon Aaron, 5414 Bay Boulevard. Um I just want to talk about CRA. Um, we uh
we got $5.3 million in the CRA and the the city really hasn't spent that money properly in the past and we have such a large surplus in it because we haven't spent it and I want to make sure that it's done, you know, properly and above
board and thoughtfully and and that and that, you know, in six years, people don't really realize in six years our CRA will probably, you know, the the the county likes and they're happy with and things like that. We have have a better chance of keeping it. Um but, you know,
because we're pretty cashstrapped um city, we're trying to be creative with that money and maybe do utility projects and u maybe help, you know, developers and things like that with the Ryan Burke show and all that. But, but you know, that's obviously probably not a um a uh
good use of that money. Um and obviously a lot of problematic things may arise from that. So, that's probably not the thing to do either. Um, and I know we have a CRA plan, but it's kind of a dog and pony show plan. It's not really well put together. Um, it's just a lot of
studies and we've done study after study after study and just made a lot of consultants rich over time and uh, we need to kind of stop that and be um, you know, a little more creative internally with the uh, people we have up here and
um, you know, because they'll just spend money. I mean, Derek Derrick will figure out a way, Adam sure, will figure out a way to spend that money. Um, but if we can come up with a good idea of where to really put that to really bring the value of the community up and make something for ourselves like fixing our
parks, whether it be Nick's Park, maybe expanding Nick's Park, doing something like that, that would be a good use of that money perhaps. Um, but you know, just kind of um spending it to spend it because, you know, it's it's not you know, even proper to accumulate such a
large amount of CRA dollars. um we need to really think about what we're doing and how we're going to allocate that money. Um and also too if we get audited um with you know with the kind of money that we spend because it is such a large sum of money you know will everything be
above board and will it look good for us to to to reapply for that when it when it does sunset. So um you know that's really my my main driver of you know even coming up here. Um, and also too, you know, we should really try to get
more citizens involved. As you can see, it's just me and me and Pat. Um, you know, and a and a gentleman in the back. I'm sure he's, you know, maybe going to sell something or do something here, you know, or or, you know, do something like that. He's wearing a suit, you know, but uh um, you know, that's that's his
job. You can always tell when they're doing that. Um, but uh, but that that's what I want to see done. CRA is my my mission here. So, just couple thoughts. Thanks, D. Uh, show hands. Anybody else on top? Okay. See, I bring back I will back comment on CRA because I I
mentioned it before. Um, we probably need to, if we haven't already, look at extending that. I think we were in the works of doing that or it mayor, it's possible to extend it. Um, I haven't looked extensively into it. He he had mentioned that to me and Derek
and I had a very brief conversation today. So, he and I are going to work on that to you guys and let you know what the steps will be. Yeah. The goal will be obviously to get that extended out to the max time we can so that we if they do come back with the legislation next year to curtail that we'll be one step ahead of that. So we are we are working on that.
We just got as I got as far as realizing we were good till January 32. So I know we had a little time to work on the the the the issue is is if they introduce that bill again because they it failed this year but I'm sure it's going to bring it back and and it's going to have some tweaks to it and it
may pass. So, we want to make sure that we, you know, because what they I think the bill was that um if you can't, if your CRA ends, it ends, right? You can't extend it. Couldn't extend it. So, we want to try to extend it before we say we can't extend it.
Thanks for bringing that up. Um so, no one else. I bring back to uh comments from the city manager. Pass it over Mr. Butterfield for his comments. Okay. Uh sir uh just there was been a lot of interest at the town hall um last week and at the last meeting in parks.
So just an update. Brasher Park has been cleared. I didn't get out there today, but I understand it looks really good. Cleared. Uh we're doing an overall uh park study. We're looking for proposals on uh doing an overall uh relook at all
of our parks uh like was just discussed actually um making the most out of them. Uh so uh we don't have it's going to be kind of bare for for the time being while we figure out what's next in Fraser Park, but uh it's usable again. Great job by uh public works director
and his team to clear that and uh even it out. I think they're going to open it back up on Friday. Uh I I don't have an exact date. I'm not sure. But uh unless you do so, I think so. No, we haven't slated till Friday. So they should be done before the weekend.
Yeah. U so found out today at the PNZ meeting that the uh what's properly known as the old Gildog property that's going to they got their permit into for clearing and they should get that tomorrow and start
clearing that property this week. It got cleaned up a little with some mowing before and now now they're going to try to clear it out and uh the owner has graciously offered that once he's got it cleared that the city could use it for events uh until it's time to put shovels
in the in the ground. So, we'll look to take advantage of that. There's an old motel out there at the end of Treadway, too, where there it's been sitting idle for a long time, but the Sil Fence was supposed to go up either today or tomorrow morning, and uh they should start getting ready to to get rid of
that as well. That'll be an improvement down at the waterfront. Um, Nicks Park. Uh, I visited the uh the Nicks Park and the docks uh last
Friday and uh found that the the city dock where the police and fireboat is is really bad shape. So, I asked the building official to check it out and see if we need to make any repairs uh because it needs to be replaced someday. There's been a lot of talk of council hover
talked about redoing Pierce out there. I want to make sure it's safe uh until it changes and so to follow that he'll give me a report. already went out there today and uh we'll give me a report Thursday on the next park and um
PNZ we had a good meeting today planning planning and zoning uh today and um we talked a lot about annexation efforts and the PNZ board seems to be very uh very excited about doing an
annexation push so I've asked them for we we solicited them for ideas and experience and insight on doing such things and we're going to meet again at next month's P&Z meeting and come up with a timeline and an advertising plan and uh affecting the council will be if
the council supports it uh I'd like to suggest a workshop probably in the first half of November uh that would might be called uh poor Richie focus on business where we could answer questions and talk about the benefits of annexation to
businesses and uh and residences too but We'd like to meet with the business community here if there's any improvements we can make uh as as we do business as we help businesses do business and make sure we're assisting businesses, not not in their way or anything. So, I look forward to that.
We'll flesh that out if the council is interested in doing that. I think it'd be a good event that we could hold here and let the business community know the date and time and and get them in here and get some insight from them. So, um, I'll I hope the council will support
that that workshop and, uh, that's all I had right now, sir. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Next up, comments from the board's committees. Um, I think you guys CAC CAC, they plan on um, starting the
painting of the Ozer wall in October. Um they mentioned that the event committee is not on the city website and so if we could add the event committee to that and all of its new all of its members. Um, they have come up with S and Linda
Rodriguez have both drafted a version of a resident info packet and they want to mail it out initially when somebody moves into town or or maybe a one-time mailing to all residents and then after that utilities department would hand it
out. But there's two really nice drafts. So I think they want to incorporate those together. Oh, there it is. Okay. So quick. So, here's a incorporation of it. Can they can staff email that out to us
so we can get digital copy? Are you still looking for a projector for that art project? Yes, cuz I have one draft, but we'll make it part of the record. A couple visions they have for the parks. They'd like to see a stilt home
at Brasher Park that's uh like one of the ones around Durnney Key. They'd like to like pick one and you know when we build a stilt home mimic one of those homes. Envision uniformity for all park. So they'd like to see them look uniform.
And uh they propose a coffee and donuts for uh veterans on Veterans Day either at the fire department or here. So cool. Well, I suggested uh the city hall would be closed for the federal holiday on November 11th. Do it on an adjacent
day or firehouse of course is also God bless our firemen. So, more following that we need to do that. Oh, that's it. Sorry. Um, and then, uh, as Andy mentioned,
planning and zoning met today, had a good discussion. I'd encourage everybody to go out and watch that. We, uh, discussed the annexation at length. And so, um, there's a lot of information we passed around. So, you know, definitely go out and take and check that out. But, uh, it's a it's a breath of fresh air to
see that committee actually moving forward with that. Like I said, I think it's going to be, uh, positive for the city. So, finally glad to get that kind of rolling. That's all I have for that event committee meets Thursday. Thursday, I think. So,
okay. Next up is the consent agenda. Item number two, look for a motion and discussion. Motion for the 9925 consent agenda. Okay. Second. Second.
This is the Sam Pebble rehab. Motion second. The question Sam Pebble rehab. Do you want uh San Pebble Rehab? I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to ask S to refresh me. San Pebble Rehab. That was the uh that was the the lift
station that council approved. Yeah. To be realigned and thank you. Any further discussion? Any public comment? See, put to vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Next up, item
number three, council business, approval of resolution number 25-30 and the final draft of the comprehensive safety action plan, CSAP. I pass that to Mr. Butterfield for introduction. Uh, thanks, Mr. Mayor. I can't take any credit for this. This has been a long time coming from my predecessor, but the
safe streets for all grant program helped fund this comprehensive safety action plan. And uh, I didn't get to meet the gentleman briefing it, but I think he come up. He's got about a about a 20 slide PowerPoint presentation very thorough uh briefing us on what they've
come up with after studying the city here. Welcome sir. Thanks. Thank you. And uh good evening honorable mayor, council members, city staff and community. Uh Naamin with TJKM
transportation consultants. We assisted the city with the development of the comprehensive safety action plan. Looks too many bullets on the slide. I'm going to try to make it brief. Um, so what is a comprehensive safety
action plan? City of Portrici applied for grant under the safe streets for all program to develop a comprehensive safety action plan which is based on a data driven process with
one goal to eliminate fatalities and incapacity injuries within on the transportation network within the city for all modes of all modes of transportation and all users
maintaining the coastal character, community values and transportation needs. One of the requirement of the US DOT safe streets and roads for all program is that it has to be in alignment for future funding or the requirements of
the US DOT. The comprehensive safety action plan is going to serve as a foundation document for the city to pursue on future grant opportunities and to enhance safety
throughout the city of Port Richi. as a part of the project. Um, we need to have a leadership commitment and this council committed to enhance safety for all users within the city of Port Richi. Um, and we have included that in the
report what you have it in the agenda package. Some of the key components we need to have a leadership commitment. We need to establish the goal. We need to review the existing documents including the
plans and policies. We need to engage the community as well as uh stakeholders, conduct safety analysis, take into considerations equity, identify the policy and process changes
and identify the projects. The city started the project back in 2024 and today we are here with the final comprehensive safety action plan and asking the council to adopt the
comprehensive safety action plan. As all of us might be knowing that some of the key challenges within city of Portrici is traffic congestion, infrastructure, missing gaps for sidewalks and bike
lanes, connectivity gaps as well as safety issues. Um the goal of the CESAP was to perform a proactive safety assessment using collision data, identify the high-risk
network, create a list of the projects based on prioritization and develop a road map to secure the funding in the future and collaboration. As a part of the
comprehensive safety action plan, we formed a stakeholder group that was made of city staff, police department as well as emergency including fire department. We reached out to the community. We
established a project website from October 2024 to April 2025. That was on the city's website. We conducted multiple community events on one on January 29th and then we also have a
workshop with the community on February 5th and a pop-up event at the city hall on April 5th. Throughout the process on the city's website, we had a list of s questions for the community with the
interactive map to tell us what safety concerns or challenges they face on a day-to-day basis. The figure on the bottom right corner, it identifies the community feedback and
the locations that were identified by the community having safety issues. Taking the input from the community and the stakeholders, we evaluated the existing conditions, identified the collision profiles
and identified the high injury network and started developing the concepts that needs to be implemented in the near future to enhance safety. with the funding uh sources identified in the plan.
We as a part of the project we conducted collision analysis between 2018 to 2023. There were total of 23 injury collisions that were listed and out of those injury
collisions 3% of them resulted into fatalities. 9% resulted into incapacitating injuries. In order to identify the high injury
network, we broke down the entire city into three different segments by jurisdiction. State maintained roadways, county maintained roadways and the local streets. And the reason for doing that because improvements on the state and
the county maintained roadways is going to be a collaborative effort between the city and the agencies. So we felt that it would be beneficial if we separate them out so the city can try to take advantage of the local street projects
which are under their jurisdiction. Uh along the high injury network vehicular speed poor lighting conditions and vulnerable road users were the key emphasis area. The collision types as I
said the vehicles we all know when the vehicle speeds are higher there are more chances of rear end collisions happening. Um vulnerable road users which results into angled collisions or the right
angle collisions what we call it and then it also during nighttime because of the poor lighting condition pedestrians involved collisions resulted into it. The map on on your screen identifies all
the collisions that were rec recorded within the city of Port Richi. U and this list is only the injury collisions. Based on the injury collisions, we identified the high injury network. One
thing I want to emphasize or mention over here is you have a two different tables one on the left and one on the right. When you look at the high injury in ranking S is for a state facility, C
is for a county facility and L is for local roadways. Since the location of Port Richi is where state and the county facilities travels through them,
we went ahead based on the community input, the feedback what we got from the stakeholders and the city staff. We looked at additional focus corridors which are summarized on the right hand side within the right hand side table
which the city has a leverage when funding becomes available to go and start implementing them. The high injury network is identified on a map and is within your package.
Based on the collision analysis conducted and the improvements that can enhance roadway safety, we develop a safe street toolkit and classified into signalized and unsalized
intersection, roadway segments and some additional counter measures. What is it going to allow the city in the future that when there are any safety issues, the city staff would have the safety
toolkit available to identify the counter measures that can be implemented. Some of the recommended safety projects, they are listed in detail in the report in your agenda package. But some of the prioritization criteria what we use to
prioritize them mainly the collision severity, the collision types, what are the safety benefits, um public input, equity impacts as well as the cost effectiveness and loca and
the proximity of those high injury network to schools. We looked at 0.25 mile radius around the schools to identify some of the projects some of the recommended safety projects.
So all the projects that we have identified within the comprehensive safety action plan we have developed the concepts for safety improvements and provided cost estimates along with it. So this when the city applies for grant
funding they would be aware what type of funding they are looking for. Some of the um citywide projects what are identified in lacement throughout the city and conducting a citywide speed survey so that it allows the police
department to enhance the enforcement throughout the city. We also looked at the disadvantaged communities within the city and identified what type of improvements and what type of safety issues we are
encountering within those areas. And last, we have identified all the different type of funding sources that the city can try to pursue for funding and upon success, they can
start implementing some of the safety projects to enhance safety and operations for all users throughout the city of Portrici. Over the last couple of months, starting 2024, city staff work really hard to get
the comprehensive safety action plan so that they can start applying for safety funds and safety grants. And today, Sal is definitely anxious to get this comprehensive safety action plan adopted
so that he can start looking into funding opportunities. With that, I would be glad if to answer any questions. Any questions? Yeah, I got one. Um, Highway 19 corridor
uh over towards the west side of of the highway going southbound at the Grand Boulevard, you have a right turning lane, only right turning lane on that side of the road. I I was wondering the feasibility of having a right-hand
turning lane continue all the way down to River G Drive uh with reflectors at each intersection so you could enter but you can't pull out and pull out front traffic. S you want to address that? We talked
about it a state project. There's a series of projects locally for the city, ones that we have to coordinate with F with FDOT and Pasco County. So as we as we move forward, we we've sent them suggested, you know, we
sent them lists of particular projects. But what's going to what this will allow us to do is that for any any changes that we want to implement, it the the plan will allow us to apply for those grants and and also FOT and the county
will realize that we have a plan in place and would be able to assist us to move forward. So So that's on the plan. I guess I will check it out on specifically. I'll have to find a section of the plan that has the list, but I'll take a look at it. I mean, I just I was want to know is do you think that would be a good help?
That's correct. Okay, that's all. Thanks. I got some questions. Go ahead, Chris. Um, I mean, I'm seeing road closures in front of the Honda dealership where CVS
is. I mean, that's that's heavily accessed and those businesses greatly dependent on access through that access point. If you choke that down, then everybody's going to come in and out on the back road there, which is basically the back parking lot for the Honda dealership. And if you go to the
if you go to the map before that, it says closure of Cody River Avenue to Highway 19. Right there in front of all of our restaurants and our highlight, we're going to shut down access right there. Chris everything for other residential roads.
What page you on, Chris? I'm I'm greatly concerned about that. Is this like a one done thing or is this a recommendation that we decide what we want to do from there? I'd like to understand that more. Hey, hey, Chris, what page are you on referring to?
I'm on page 174 and 175. So, Chris, this is not the projects that have been identified. It's not set. It's a city's
toolkit um toolkit that we have identified what can enhance safety. It's up to the city which projects to implement and which one they
don't want to implement. The reason we identified that as a safety project is that moving into the future if the closers of those driveways were
not physible but there might be other components what the city might want to implement then the project would be there because all of the safety grant funding requires now either to have a local road
safety plan or SS4A comprehensive safety action plan and if the project is not listed within those documents then they don't fund the projects.
So if the project is listed, if there is one counter measure that the city wants to implement out of the five counter measures on those projects, the city would have that flexibility and leverage
of the safety action plan to be successful in receiving the funds for implementation. And this would be a state project anyway, right? City would actually do this state funded that. it would be in collaboration with the state
as as long as we have the ability to get input from our businesses. And you know, I'm all for safety. I think everybody on the in the room right now is all for safety, but at the at the expense of the local businesses causing, you know, a financial crisis for them would not be
in our benefit. So that's as long as we're not like forced all in and we can pull out a couple things here and there, I'm I'm good with it. I just don't want to do something, you know, right now that we have not even and talked to these businesses about like, hey, we're going to shut down your access to 19 and
that would be a problem. No, these are just these are recommendations to the plan. You would also have to have coordination with either the county or or the state to move along with those plans plus their engineers and their teams will also provide input and make you know and make changes to that. So th this is an
overview of what the engineer thought you know the company who did this plan you know their thoughts and what ideas can be brought but going forward this can all could be changed this plan just having the plan itself just allows you
to get grant dollars to make changes where you know where where we see fit you know within the city. So and I understand that that's great. One of the other things I'll just mention as I was reviewing this, we've shut down the entrance to Wawwa to get in and out of
Wawwa on the 19. So that means we dump everything onto that road that's already heavily congested where you can't make a left turn to, which is going to drive all this traffic even further back into our neighborhood. So that's that's what that's what I'm seeing as a a spotlight that we need to look at and and I get I
do understand all the explanations from both the gentleman there. So thank you very much. Yeah, I wasn't shutting that the exit, I guess, pull into Waw Wa, but you you would only it' be only one way in. You have to go out on the other side, I guess, is what they're saying.
Is that correct? So, yes, remove driveway exit. Yeah. Okay. Anything else? Thank you. Appreciate you coming. Thank you. Um, and that's you need to read by title. Resolution resolution number 25-30, a resolution of
the city council of the city of Port Richie, Florida, adopting the vision zero approach, traffic safety, and authorizing the city manager to implement the policy and providing for an effective date. Okay, so that look for a motion to adopt or more discussion.
A motion second. Any further discussion? Any public comment? Seeing I bring back for vote. All in favor signify by saying I. I I opposed. Motion carries. Next up, item number four, surplus of impounded vehicles. I'll pass that to Mr. Butterfield for introduction.
Yes, sir. This is the quarterly surplus of impounded vehicles. Vehicles that are essentially abandoned. They've been in the lot for over 90 days. Uh we standardly send them to the Royal Auction Group for uh for auction. So I
recommend approval. Okay, I'll motion discussion. I'll make movement to approve the surplus of 11 pound vehicles be sent to the Royal Auction Group for auction. Okay, second. Motion second. Any further discussion? Yeah, I want to know if they don't get
sold, what are we going to bring them back here or can we drop them at the dump on the way back or what? I'm going to have to look into that. So I I'm not I think everything eventually goes for something cuz they've roundt tripped a few times. We can try them can drop off down here
at the uh the scrap thing and get value. They do that for us. Yeah. So they they scrap them instead of getting a lot of money. We get maybe a hundred bucks cuz that's all some of my work. Yeah. Cuz we want to bring them back for sure. I'd like to quit roundtpping some of that junk. Really? So yeah, but yeah,
that's it. Okay. Any further discussion? Yes, sir. Yeah, there's discussion. Sure. So, in in the past, Dave Miller brought this up and you know, I would like a little bit of an accounting on this. I'm not trying to create more work for anybody, but I'd like to know if
we're actually breaking even on these deals. We set them down there. Was it costing us money to ship the thing down there? Are we paying X amount of dollars for transportation, then a sale fee, you know, by the time we get it there, it's $400 and it sells $400, just cost the city $300. Is there is there a method of
accounting that could be given us to show just one let's just call it these vehicles that we're doing right now. Is there a way on these 11 vehicles for us to calculate what it cost us and what we got out of it and what the end game is. We come back in a later city council meeting with those those numbers please.
Yes sir. On the right side where it says dollars invested that means we have nothing invested in any of these 11 cars right now. If there is something that we did have to invest on something with a special title or anything else like that, then we would go ahead and put that in there. Now, that's not counting
a $150 for postage or return receipts or anything like that. But our deal with the auction is they pick them up, they do what they got to do at the auction over there and then they take their fees out of whatever money they get. So, we don't owe them anything. So there's so just just so I'm clear,
chief, there's never a time where they come back and say, "Hey, we had $300 in expenses." It did $100 at the auction and you owe us $200. No. If they did something like that, we would be looking at a different company and they would lose our business over $200.
Okay. I'm I'm just just wanted to clarify that. Do we get anything from these when they sell at auction? I guess. And because Dave's been bringing this up for two years now, is it is it is it okay that we get a snapshot of what happened so we can actually see it? Would it be that difficult, Andy, for us to get that?
No, we could track that for you and bring it back as soon as we get it. And like I say, the when we get to the fines of $1,700, that's when they go over there. But that's not costing us anything unless you're going to count rental for the lot that we're putting these cars in behind the police department. So, with these cars here,
you know, we'd expect to get at least uh, you know, almost $17,000 if you add it all up together at a minimum, but, you know, if we don't get that price, it's still not costing us anything. Um, because we're not we're paying for a lot regardless of how many cars are going over there. But
once they get to $1,700, that's when they get shipped to the auction. So, we basically get our fees that we that were owed on these, and then the the people that the auction has to take it, they keep the rest, I guess. Is it? No, we get whatever they get auctioned for. But that's what we that's the number that we base on when it's going
to auction. Okay. You see some cars on here like the little scooter that's, you know, been in here for a couple years. And I'm trying to get all these vehicles out of here because there are a surplus of them that have been here for several years. And then when you look at the bottom of the list, they're starting to catch up with ones that have only been here since April. So based on when the
car gets here, how much it cost, and every day it's here, it goes up to a maximum $1,700. And then the fines cut off. And then we go through the process of shipping for the auction. So I guess Chris, what are you wanting like an accounting of these? What what
we have assessed in fees, what it brought to the auction, and then show us kind of where we at financially on it. Look for it. You're on mute. You're on mute. Mute. I'm getting ready to make a motion to
approve these 11 vehicles. And I just I would like to one time just see a snapshot of what happened. We we could do it all the time from now on. We'll just put the process in place and whenever these vehicles actually get auctioned off, we'll come back with a spreadsheet and give the council report
on when we auction these off on this date. This is the the amount of money that we have. It would be nice just kind of see snapshot. Appreciate that, Chief. Thank you. Yeah, we've already got the motion and second, Chris. So, okay, we're good. Any other first discussion? Any public comment? See that puts the vote. All in
favor signify by saying I. I I I opposed. Motion carries. Uh next up is old business. Moving right along. Uh discussion old business. Is there any old business? Yeah, old and new. Okay, start with the old.
Old is uh the um what are we going to do as far as the those speeds over on Grand that we approved? I figured you might be asking about that. Um so what now we've got this back. I did see some stuff in there about ways to mitigate speed and we were
kind of waiting on it to come back to make that decision or not. I know we had costs and stuff. So is is it now we just make we can move forward with that or you pulled the residents as well and it
was you know it's it's really kind of up to council on what which way you want to approach this. Um you know speed humps, speed bumps, um to me is I would consider like the last measure. Um we can start with lighted signs. We
could start with you know um you know striping anything like that as a deterrent to slow traffic down or we can we can put in we can put in temporary speed bumps signs and and temporary speed bumps and see how that goes. I've noticed other other streets and areas
that have done that before. They plastic ones. Yeah. the you like the the plastic will last well a very long time and you put those in you see how traffic is um and you can go that route. Uh of course that's going to affect not
not only your you know your residential traffic but also your emergency traffic. So you know your the fire department and police you know police cars driving up and down Grand Boulevard and patrolling are going to have to you know utilize those bumps as well. So, it's kind of up to what council's direction is. As far
as the plan was concerned, they didn't have a lot of data as far as the amount like there wasn't a was a high volume of of the deaths or major traffic accidents along that corridor. Not to say there have been, there have been a few, but
nowhere near some of the more more concerned on US 19. So, it's kind of like it's it's low volume compared to to 19. Well, we already approved it. Council approved putting up there just to wait to see what these guys said. And they
didn't say nothing. So, it's still been approved. Now, the reason I brought it up is because two neighbors came screaming at me about why aren't they done? Why aren't they done? you guys approved them last year and I'd explained to them. It'd be nice to hear from them for insurance purposes
and to cover our breath that we also had approval from a a certified company which we got no help from today to get this done. But there's people flying down the road 60 miles an hour still. All we're looking at is two speed dumps to continue what Newport Richie had. They don't have any problem with any of their emergency vehicles on Grand
Boulevard. None. So, I would probably say 80% of the cars dude speed limit, but it's those guys running 50, 60 miles an hour down there. It's scaring the out of everybody, right? Sorry about the language, but it's frustrating. And they come screaming at me and and it's not my
fault. I'm trying to do everything the right way and we're losing our patience. There's one there's two people over there that want to speed humps until I got elected and approved it. Now, they don't. So, that's their reason. So the numbers that you pulled on there, a lot of it that's political, but if you want to walk over
and talk to the neighbors door to door, I'm telling you right now, I'm going door to want speeds. They're tired of it. Was there not? I'm just telling you. Was there not at some point? It's I'm saying doing poll is not a bad thing. You did the right thing. But I'm just telling you, you go door to door, you're going to get a different opinion. Was there not at some point a question
that part that part of that could have been county and then if we did want the speeds, we would have to have a survey done? I remember that being discussed. I remember that if we wanted the speed humps, then that means we would have to go back. Grand Boulevard is a county road, but
just like Newport Richie, we're we maintain the maintenance of our segment. So, Newport Richie maintains their segment, so on and so forth. So, we've been told that several times by Pasco County back in 1985, they had a safety report
stating that they they need to put speed humps on it because at that time, Grand Boulevard was probably the most dangerous road in the state of Florida. But, but somebody was saying at one point that you would have to have a new study and the county said it's up to us. So, so we we we talked about it and approved
it. We were waiting on this and so we I think the placement was was it Alto? Where did we have the two kind of mapped out? Do you remember Bob? Alto and Regis upgra and another one down by Alto. One side or the other of Alto. Right.
And so obviously our fire department's down further than that. So it wouldn't impact them unless they went down. Grant you can put it in front of my house and my guy across the street. We glad to have one right there. It would be fine. So, and and I don't like them, but when well the and I don't think anybody
does, but they're already on grant and so I I would have a a hard time saying let's try something else. It just seems like it makes sense to extend them because they're already there. Um, so I don't think it's as long as they're done the same way and they're not those crazy
ones like you go down to uh down here. I'd say matching and they put stripes. They put stripes in front of them which helps people notice that they're there. Um, but yeah, I'd say matching. It just makes sense to have the exact same thing. This continue what New Richie did
is what I've been talking about for about 30 years. If we did that, it would everybody would be happy and I think it would make the road a lot safer, especially down the road in the future as we're going to try to develop more traffic. Do um now what's your thoughts on those
uh the temporary ones? That's kind of because I mean how much are those you know um minimal in cost? Uh I'd have to get some pricing but you but both both ways is not going to cost a lot of money to
do. It's just with the temporary ones, you can see how it works. You know, it's it's not permanent. They're kind of dangerous though, aren't they? A little sharper on if you get the table on. They're not that Yeah. Well, kind like see like a fairground or something like that put out. They have different models. They have, you know, they have more narrow. They
have more like a like a speed home type of Well, you still have to put a sign up or some striping on the road to warn people. Signs and everything would have to happen. You can't just put them out there. We had an approval with Ajax doing them. I think at a cost whatever it was they
10 grand or something for both. It was around $8 or $9,000. Back in 85 it was 800 for both of them. But $800. Yeah. Yeah. And and the council said no. But that's fine if you want to put a sign up
and and put paving on there. Uh put temporaries out there for a while. Um, I'd like to hear if the chief has any ideas to that. I could tell you we're all for it. Anything. The only problem by Steve doing that is all a sudden Washington
Street's going to become a speedway because it already is. And then we're going to have to address that issue, too. So, Washington, you know, we we deployed those uh those speed signs, ra signs on old post, and I think Washington will make some sense to have them there. And I I know Newport
Richie has some. I can't remember. It's not Washington Adams. It's Adams. Yeah. So, they've got them there. I think that would probably help. I think it helped on Old Post. They're not that expensive either. I think we got those for around 10 a piece, too.
Or maybe the lighting signs. The one the two Yeah, the two LED signs. I'd have to get pricing again, but it was I think they were between five or six. Yeah, 12 for two. Those signs I can tell you are worth their weight and gold because it really gives us a narrowing
situation of where and when it's happening the time of day and uh we can get a lot of data off that to you know deploy our resources in a smarter way rather than sitting out there 24/7. Yeah. And and like I said you don't you aren't dealing with bumps. You got to travel over just your bank speed.
Hopefully it calms you down and I think they've proven sometimes they people game them or whatever and let's see what how fast I can go. But I think for the most part I know when I see one I like oh we usually shut those off at a certain speed so they can't do that. So it's usually 15 over the speed limit. It won't displace people won't do stuff
like that. So I would I would say that you know and I think we can take immediate action on that. Um relatively in inexpensive we go ahead deploy on Washington a couple more of those speed signs. go ahead with the like I said we could do pull full-on bumps or if you want to try the
temporary ones that we could possibly pull up if residents complain or whatever middle cost. Well, you're going to have I guarantee you there's going to be some residents that are going to complain but I guarantee the majority of them that don't say anything will be happy. I'm just telling you I live there. I know you want to go door to door by themselves.
And I'm good with either way. We go ahead because like I said they're already on Grand. So it's really I mean not a big surprise. There are no sidewalks along Grand. Another another thing we need to look at for sure. Well, because of that to go ahead and make them permanent seems like it would be worthwhile because there's no
sidewalks and it is like I'll make the trip walk down Grand to Sims Park and it is there is a lot of speeding. I agree to get off to the side of the roads. Why spend the additional money on the temporaries? Just thought would be as we did them there. We could we could use them somewhere
else when we put temporaries in there. Pull the trigger. Make sure the gun's loaded. just do it because it' be cheaper than just do it now than doing temporaries and put in permanence later. I don't see that unless you want to take the temporaries and put them on Washington after you put them permanently on grand use them somewhere
else like either way at least like I said I think you should make them permanent the matchment new per should be done with it and u everybody be h majority of people be happy with it for political reasons some people may not but I really don't care and you do other people need to be done
do we have um do we have money in the budget still with paving and stuff this year or anything left over that we already left pay right
we we do have we do have monies um I I'd have to look at the budget but we do have pay you know that we that we use so but this being a minimal cost it's not going to be that impactful we could probably fit it in with some of the other um other projects that we're going to do throughout the year you know
because we you know we have p pole maintenance street maintenance monies that we use anyway. So, we could probably put it towards that. Okay. And it's been coming up for three years. Yeah. No, it needs to be done. Sure. It really does need to be done. Yes. We have consensus to go ahead and not
only go ahead with the signs on Washington as well and we'll do one. Uh yeah, so Washington as a race. Yeah. I I'd do both for sure. Um, so any objections to move forward with two uh
radar speed signs on Washington and I guess public works would look at and working with the police department official altitude is fine because you put on north side they may not like it there. So put them in front of my I don't care. I mean I think with place but you don't want to put them right up where somebody
backs out of their driveway onto them. No. If you measure how far they apart in Newport Richie, try to keep them kind of uniform like that. Yeah, I think that's kind of where they did. Do you want to do you want to look at the placement before we do that or No, you're good with it. And I think we we settled on it before.
I trust the chief. Yeah. And and so is there any objections to that? No. Okay. I just have one thing. Sure. If the uh if we're looking at this plan to make River Golf a four-way stop, then I would take that in consideration when we're placing these speed humps. Now,
four-way stop on Washington or on Grand River. On this plan, it has River Golf and Grand as a four-way stop. So, I would move those down a little bit because they already got stop signs going slowing people down there. Or sometimes a speed table that covers the whole intersection is can be
effective. Yeah, I would think any any sign relocation and stuff like that that's minimal cost of staff can do just whatever the plan points out. Go ahead and do that. I mean, you don't need council. I think they got something to say about the speeding. So, I think they got something to say about
the speeding. So, you have something too Pat you want to say? I think we go next. Hi guys, ladies. Rob Kworthy 5800 Queener Avenue. Uh, yeah, we talked about this. I think it was in September with the speed speed homes. I like
exactly what Newport Richie has. I take the my bicycle through it all the time and people do slow down. Those sharp ones I don't like them. I don't think anyone likes the sharp ones. We only need the sharp ones. You do 2 miles an hour over. Okay. So, that's on the speed humps. The signs the the speed signs seem to be working. Okay. Uh like I
said, Washington, I think I feel the speeds have been a lot better on Washington. I don't hear them as as much. I'm not on Washington. Like I said, I'm a block away. Uh, so I don't hear the speed any as as much as I used to. Sometimes you get maybe motorcycle these guys with these loud, you know, the smaller cars with the loud exhaust,
but other than that, we're doing pretty good with that. What else was there? Uh, just this I can't comment on any other. No, just and reason I open up just because we just took action on one quick thing. We need more monitors back here so read it. All right, that's it. I agree with the 100% match Newport
Richie what they have with the signage and the stripes and all that. I think it's better temporary. I think it would be a waste unless of course we use it somewhere else but I think it would definitely help Newport Richie a lot slower. I'm all the time people's nice and slow nice and easy. We think it works. Thanks Rob. I like the monitor idea
back here on each side. Oh yeah binoculars Pat Rogers 4838 Sunset Boulevard. I've been living with these homes for over 20 years down on our side and they're not as big as the Port Richie ones or the
Newport Richie ones. But my tenant at the corner of Queener in Washington, he would like speed bumps and he would like four-way stop signs over where the uh adult the senior community center is. Have them have a
stop sign in their parking lot, one for our side of the street. And this so there's four ways all the way because he witnessed an accident right at the end of Leo Kid onto Washington where this guy's backing out of his driveway that lives on Washington and somebody coming
down Washington wasn't paying any attention and just broadsided him you know didn't even attempt to stop. So, he's like, "Put us put a three-way stop sign there at Washington and uh Pine Hill."
I mean, you know, because, you know, anything to deter and I wouldn't even bo wouldn't even bother me to see speed bumps on Washington because I've sat there at the light and watched a car that looked like it was floating. It was going so fast. Yeah. You know, it was just doing this coming
down the road. Strange. Yeah. And one of the things about the the speed signs just so you know you know if if those prove not to work then you can always look at speed bumps later but the you know is the the less obtrusive
uh device the better and if it works great if it doesn't we sell a problem in Washington or anywhere we have even old post then we could look at doing something much more um like I said the only reason that grand makes sense is because they're already there anyway so it's just an extension of that but anywhere else that say where we don't have them let's start with that If we
need to step up enforcement with speed bumps, we can always do that later. So, hey, get some more. Okay, good. Still here for a while. Anyway, uh short meeting. Just a a curious question as far as a conversation with SNC as far as a
limestone pier. Any results that last pylon? Um, as far as I know, they they said that they removed the marker and and pulled out the stone. It was a large lime rock stone that they they extract it. So that's what I was told by
signature and the we're waiting for them to install um the last thing to install is a um ADA compliant ramp the engineer is designing right now because there's a where the where they made the new wall
and flat concrete. There's a transition between the road and the and the concrete. We need to put a ramp there for for ADA compliance. So once that's done, project's done. Okay. So we know there there's pile of
concrete out there. So either we can remove it or I guess when they dredge maybe they can maybe be easier for them to do it. Well, I mean there's something out out in their channel out there. Yeah, but that's but that's just I believe that's the state channel. That's
not that wouldn't be ours. We're going to have dredging in the river, aren't we? Huh? We're going to be dredging some of the river. Not the main part. Not the main part of the river. I don't believe that was in the dredging. I don't think we were going to do where the state So, we're going to leave it there or any plans of removing that?
Is this I mean it's I know it's state but they're not going to do anything about it. Well, we can talk we can talk to I mean the thing is we didn't talk about that when we were designing the you know having Stantech you know as one of the channels to do. I know. So that's the thing is we thought we had
to get result with SNC is what we were hoping. Well, they removed they said it was lime rock. They said it was no concrete that was it was lime rock. They removed some of the limestone that was there. But, you know, yeah, we know better than that, though. We were out there talking to him and his foreman and his foreman basically said
that that one was just too far to reach when we were initially with Matt. We were out there and that's what he said. So, so we maybe reach out to Representative Jagger to Well, I Yeah, I don't know. It it needs to be moved because we're people are tearing up props. I mean, a lot of us
that live here know it's there, but there's people that travel up and down the river aren't familiar with that and they're they're hitting it and the prop guys busy. So, we need to do something um to get that resolved somehow. Do you have his number, Brad? Yeah, I Well, yeah, if you since you obviously the most
knowledgeable about that, if you would reach out to him and see what he can Yeah. do to help do something there. I might see him this weekend. I I see him on the island sometime. So, I'll see what I can talk to him and make him aware of it. Maybe he can help with that. All right. I don't know that we we could really do anything since
it's well we could state water we could we could pin it chain it and get someone just to drag it shore out of the middle of the channel. I mean it wouldn't be that expensive and market the state's not going to tell you not to do it and they're not going to spank you for doing it.
I'm just saying you could we could do that. Well you you have to probably get some kind of permitting for it. I would imagine you can't just go out there and Yeah, you can you can pull that. It's man-made with what's there. So, we can pull that out of there. I'm not talking about dynamiting it or blowing it up. I'm just talking about hooking up,
dragging it out of the way. That's all I was saying. Is it It's a concrete piling or what is it? It's It's the last concrete piling for the pier that was there. Um the ones before it were removed, the ones where the bridge went removed. It's just
that's the one that was left. And if it's if it was part of the pier, it should have been removed with the pier. I know that. That's We know that, but they're saying it's not. Who's saying it's not? It's SNC. The engineer has has verified that they removed everything within the footprint.
The engineer. Yes. Coastal engineering. Coastal engineering. Okay. Verified. Was it out in front of the pier? I guess is that I don't what what what I was what I've been told by So, what we could do is just put a marker out there with reflective tape and a red marker
and u and that's I mean, can we do that? I'll take care of it. Okay. Yeah. And we at least mark it and then worry about another day. It's it's it's it is a dangerous voters especially at low tide. Yeah. So definitely mark it for sure, right?
Mark how we can install a piling. Chief, you going to do something like you said or we'll take care of it. We'll get it done. You're like inch and a half PVC up there. Put red tape and reflector. Nothing's going to happen overnight. So yeah, the mark I think we sizzly mark
nothing's going to happen overnight. So yeah, the mark I think we site market we want to make people marker but it's to let people know and actually since the pier is not there anymore it's new. It's new. Okay, if you hold off on new let's finish up the old a couple old things and I'll come right back to you for new stuff. Okay,
anybody else have old business? I have old real quick. Just a a quick update on the US 19 grand. I I see um something was signed just last week. Yes. So the um the stormboard portion of
the permit was was given to the city. We're hoping that one, you know, now that that's been done and submitted, we'll have this we'll have this done very soon so we can go out to bid. So it all business. Chris, old business.
Got some old business. Okay. Um, how many of you all have sat in the chair that uh that S got? How many are okay with the the chair? Pretty good. It's empty right now if that tells you anything. I like it. I like the chairs.
Yeah. Has everybody tested it and then they like it? It feels like it feels good. I mean, is this one? Ron's going to test it right now. How much were they? I'm not really for the Yeah.
It's I think there's other things on agree. So, so council did approve the purchase up to 5,000 I think and the these are 60.
I can do the room for under five. They are comfy because the sh the shipping and everything will be a bulk rate because I'm getting everything at once and then the the price per chair lowers because I'm ordering a bulk bulk amount. So, um, if you bear with me for just a moment, I can pull up the cork
that I have. So, what was under the old chairs? It was under 5,000. Yeah. What would be the plan for the old chairs? Surplus. Surplus. Donate whatever, you know, they would obviously have to be surplused first and then they can either be
donated or um if the church needed them or anyone like that, you know. So, I got a solution. Just I got to hear it. Rob camera 5800 Queen Avenue Chief's doing a great job. Watch the See, take them off a grand. They don't have to worry about grand to go to Washington.
Uh ballpark auctions. You can take all these old shares. You get what you get. It might be 32 sets. That's right. You work over there. 30 40 $50 you get 60%. We get 40%. That you want recoup some money. That's the way to do. They are comfy. That's a lot kind of a lot of money, but you're not
going to get more people to show up because they're comfy chairs. But they are much better. They really are. Yeah, I forgot Rob worked at the auction house at some something to uh maybe consider. Um, you know, TVs are really cheap. You can get a big old TV for like a,000 bucks.
You know, you want to talk about something that would actually maybe make a difference for presenting and things like that. You could spend, you know, thousand bucks,000 bucks and boom, you got you got smoking TVs. You know what I mean? If there's a way to put cameras on. You're not allowed. You're not allowed
to smoke in here, though. Well, you know what I mean. Thanks. Okay. They're cheap. They're cheap. So So So Chris, I I think uh everybody's saying I'm okay and obviously there's some concern by a couple council members
that that they're not on board with the purchase. You know, that ship's kind of stale, so it's not our resident a comfortable chair to sit in when they come to see us. Those other chairs, their life expect there's no question at all. It's like
sitting on a board. That being said, we already approved okay with you ordering the chairs at this point so as soon as possible. Wait to get back so you can make sure you're I mean because that was kind of your thing you brought up.
[Laughter] That's your first mistake. I mean, Chris and I can go pick them up if we That saves money, too. I don't know. It's not that much money. Okay. Yeah, you don't need a whole Why don't you just do like the first two front rows or something? You know what I mean? You want to, you know?
Well, you could do half of them now where it's a fourth now and a fourth and Yeah, they could do that, too. I mean, these are tore up. I mean, these are these had I agree. Well, I I'll I'll I'll just say it's it's not a lot of money. It's it's um it's an investment. Obviously, these are
older. They're not very comfortable. And I would envision in the future that we would have times when people are going to be sitting out there and it's not going to be a bad thing to have comfortable chairs. And maybe when they come out and they realize how comfortable is it, but um but it's not a lot of money. It's an investment. I think we need to I mean, we need to
invest in that. We need to probably invest in in furniture because this stuff is is that thing is scooping down over there. subject and I know that we were looking at doing EOCC stuff in here um eventually anyway. So I I don't think
it's a bad thing to to go ahead and move forward with that. Just something else is cheap is donut cookies and coffee. That's cheap too. So if you're good with Chris, if you don't want to wait till you know S can move forward, go ahead and get out.
Anything else? Old business. Chris, anything else? Old business? No, no, no additional old business. Okay. Our median refresh grant that we got approved for for 19. What the status on that?
We go out to bid. Okay. Do we got plans on what to do or I guess that's going to be part of the bid that we got to go out to someone to do the design. Okay. Oh, sorry. Apologize. You only have
I'm starting to time everybody. I know you're giving me evil. And then um the we scheduled the oral talk about the open house for the the awards over there for the sponsorships. Yes. An email went out to the centennial
committee and all all of the sponsors. I have got to find all the emails to all our sponsors. Email did go out. You should have received that. I don't recall Friday 26. 26th of September at 2 o'clock. Yep. 26
two o'clock. Yep. Okay. Perfect. Um, and then the flags we talked about, has those been taken care of? New flags have been refreshed for the 911 ceremony. Did you see what somebody but one only had one side? Yeah, the Florida the new Florida flags actually
came out did a nice job on the clock out there and when they synced everything up, the the one clock facing east when you come in. So, the main entrance here come in. That one is slow. And I told the guy out there when he was doing it, he kind of argued with me and said,
"Well, you know, they're going to lose time." I said, "Well, if if you don't sync them up, when you sync them up, it's always going to be off, right?" And so, I've noticed that they're all the same except for that one is like two minutes off, and that's the main one you see when you come in. And I I think it's
just a matter I know they're all they're all moving at the same time. So, when you adjust them, you adjust all of them. So, it's probably going to have to take that one arm off and just make a manual adjustment. Is that something that we can do? Very old. And they did a great job refreshing it, but I don't know why he had it two minutes slow. But what we have to do is that, you
know, basically set them all at high noon, right? It's high noon kick the power and then they're all synced. It's very easy to do that. But I I will talk to public works and Daryl and let him know. It's the little things. So,
put on his list. Yeah. That clock is still right twice a day. It is. That's okay. So, that's the only bits I have. So, I'll turn back on. Bob got Yeah, I was ready, but now Mother Nature's telling me I need to take a
two-minute break. So, I need a two-minute break. Well, go take a break and then come take a break. Thanks, Mom. Terrible. I know we've we're going to make changes and we've got sign on Washington Street. It's terrible. I know we've we're going to make changes and we've got wayfinding
coming in, but it's still it's all rusted. It it looks terrible coming coming into the city from south to north. It It's a lawn watering. It's horrible. It got clean. It gets clean periodically. It's dirty again. Well, it just it stays dirty because they have water.
It needs something. I mean, temporary. Somebody go out there and paint it. I'll go out there and paint it. I mean, it needs temporary something. It just It's shabby. It's just shabby looking coming into the city. I will let Daryl and the team know
ahead and put this on their list. I said I would do it was really really bad and they did clean it. It was I believe Mr. Rose may be watching tonight. So he understands that you know there'll be a couple things you come in a little
early tomorrow. We got some stuff for you. Um, I would also um I wanted to ask because I've been asked, you know, we used to do the you bring residents can bring things here to city hall, put them in a dumpster, and then the second week things bigger things can get picked up. I would like to knock on wood for the
next uh month and a half. I understand. As long as that goes fine because if it doesn't, we'll have a debris clean up regardless. So right um I'm hoping that the next month and a half or two months go um without any incident
what everybody does you know without hurricane. So so you think that's something that people like like in November I guess or after I'll let Daryl and his team know we could probably coordinate something in November would be a problem. I think
that probably would be best. Um I think a lot of us are praying that we get through this season. unscathed. So, and one final thing and um do you know any more about that well at Dakota Keith? They hit water the other day, but
that is that going into a reclaim system or what is going on there? No, it's it's a deep well water uh that they're doing. Um they were permitted by Swift Mud to allow it. Uh Daryl has been in communication with them and they're they're they did apply for their
permits. Yeah, because I remember that was something that Yeah, because it was so close to our well filled and everything. That won't affect water pressure. No, Daryl. Daryl said that they were fine.
That's all. Council. Yeah. Um, can you put my screen up? You You hit share on Shar. This is only he can present. It's a correct. There it is.
to share your screen kind of like there. There you go. Don't pick me. I'm There it is. Okay. So, we have done a lot Deon said a lot of steps. We've got a lot of ideas. We're
always right on the cuff of doing a lot of things. I think as far as giving financing from the state to county, get everybody's attention, locals, county and state interest in what we're doing, we need to start making some moves on different things. We have a unique opportunity
right now uh on land acquisition. We were talking about a land swap possibly out on on a waterfront. That's this property right here. We own these two here. This this property here
is a large piece of property right in the middle that would give us all this land all the way to the water actually right in the middle of the waterfront district. That's very valuable to developers, future developers, city as far as
getting funding and everything else that we want to do. We have control, the citizens would have control over a major part of the waterfront district. What budget for property acquisition? Would that be an interest?
You mean the CRA budget? Property acquisition was 1.9 million CR million. Um, if because of that, should we because we got CRA meeting right after this. That's probably something we should discuss in the CRA.
Well, okay. So, you gonna talk that? Um, I want to let Andy, you want to talk about that first? I was going to say, uh, we could talk about it here, but if if the only funding source feasible is the CRA, we should probably, uh, once this meeting's
over. Yeah. Okay. Those I got some other projects that we can do in the CRA meeting as well. I guess it's CRA related. Okay. I would ask I'd ask Adam can Adam Adam Adam can can you think of any other
funding source other than the CRA right now based on what our current raising taxes or reserves now I I our reserves are at a fine stand still for going forward I I wouldn't say
spend anything buying land out of it the CRA is your probably your we would lose our 30% reserve Old business. No old business done. This is your comments. So, no. Well, anything you want to talk about. Is that property? No. No, I have nothing else then.
All right. Councilwoman Olsen Park sign is leaning forward and needs a paint job. Daryl, he's going to call and say, this one is for the fire department here. They have to look at the dredge
lock sign that says your CRA dollar is at work and it is mild dude nearly black. You almost can't read it. And it faces the fire department and I feel like it's time to press issues there. Yeah. And there's holes and it's green. The grass has been shot at the fence and
it really needs some work. But since it says your CR dollar is at work, I think that needs some careful firehouse that hold Let her get done. I'll pass back to you. That's all I had today. Um,
yeah, we were out we were talking about getting funding for the firehouse and possibly getting funding for engineering like all been done. They said they're microphone the testing has all been done. Um they had they they said they're going to put together a summary report in an
all-inclusive summary report and they'll have that for me on the 12th. Okay. We'll wait till then I guess if we can bring it up when you give that report. Okay. Okay. That's all. Okay. Thanks. I'm good. Uh vice mayor. Mayor. I am good sir. I don't have any
additional comments tonight. Okay. Okay. I have a couple things. So I I attended Newport Richie's uh very vibrant council meeting 45 is when it finally left. Um but there was an interesting because um just tell you a
little bit how Newport Richie works. So their millage rate is a couple points higher than ours and um and they actually they lowered their millage rate. I don't know exactly what it was lowered to but um but they also have several uh nonadalorum items on the tax role. Um a street paving nonadalorum um
a street lighting nonadalorum. these things we include in our millage rate. So it made me feel really good that not only is their millage rate, you know, in our millage rate. So it made me feel really good that not only is their millage rate, you know, much higher than ours, but they also got non-advelor stuff that's getting tacked on that we
we cover in our general fund, right? But there was one thing of interest in there and and one of the items that they were doing was uh is blames on the tax bill. So we have and I had a number of 65,000 most but I guess this update is $45,31129
that's what we have outstanding in leans correct okay so we have 45,000 plus in leans out there that just hang out there until we either foreclose which we haven't done obviously there's extreme cost in that and or the property change hands and we
get that through the the property sale resolution has to be notified four weeks in advance and we can to take our active leans and put them on the tax bill as nonavalorm ions and attempt to collect those at the year taxes. Unfortunately, nonavalorm stuff has to be presented to
the county by the 15th of September. So, we won't make it in time for this tax role, but I think we should council the tax role. And I I will add also we are going to have a workshop about using a special magistrate um coming up in the near future. And if you do that, you're going
to have more leads. That's just part of having a special magistrate. So as more leans come in, we'll be able to do in the future. People don't just make their then every year those leans are going right to the taxes and we don't have to wait for property change hands to get our money. So is there any objections to move forward on that? I think it's a really
good option to try to collect. And some of How long's some of that stuff been out there, Veronica? For um years. Years. Yeah. I go back to at least 2009. Yeah. Wow. And so it just amazes me that we've let that set out there when we have the tools of toolbox to be able to
do that. So anyway, that was great information. Um it's one of the reason I try to attend and and I network with other municipalities and whatnot. So what things like this that I I learn about we can bring back here and put it to work. Um
the the other thing I want to bring up is after the the meeting today, the plans only meeting, Mike Farz was here and I a couple days ago I was in the city manager's office with S and you know
they they're getting ready to tear all that stuff down to Gild properties and so when when Ryan purchased that he said basically whatever you guys want it be fencing or buildings or awnings or whatever you can take um and use use it how you want. And so
there's a relatively new bathroom right there on the corner of it's male female bathroom and it's also got a concession stand like built into it or whatever. It's relatively small building, newer building. And so I just before we they tear that down, we talked about um
moving that to Rasher Park say instead of purchasing a new mod or something actually take that move it down there. Um, so I wanted to kind of get an idea of what it would cost to move that. And so there was we called a company and S put an email out to to as free estimate. Obviously that was something that have
to go out to bid to do, but just to give an idea of is it worth it or do we is it just cheaper to go ahead and buy something, put it in. So um, Mike heard about that and you know he lifts the homes and he also can move them which I didn't even realize that they did that.
And so he I went over there with him today. He looked at it and um he talked to his uh counterpart or whatever and they think it's very possible to move that down there. He's going to get more of a hard set cost or whatever. Um but that's they're looking at that um to
possibly move that to Brasher Park. And we also went to Brasher Park to see um if it'd be viable there. Um one of the things that um Tony would have to verify does it have to be up in the air or not. And I just happened as we was going to Brasher Park, Tony was pulling in and so
I was able to ask him um and preliminarily he he thought that yeah because it's already existing or whatever we might be able to just move it and put it there with like a little crawl space under it or whatever. So it might be very economical to move that and it also could it's a piece of Gildog's history that we could really
make something of it and and have a parade going down to Brasher Park and you know the last Gild dog parade we're going to have a piece of that history also be nice with a because it has a little concession stand if we ever did open a launch there or something or even whatever we could sell ice out of there
or snacks or something during certain things just it it gives some options to do stuff down Secondly, there's obviously the big stage that's there and then the awning. The awning was uh looked at by Daryl and it was going to cost more to take it down and move it. They were going to
possibly use it for a utility building or structure, but it was it was cost prohibitive to to do that. Um so that isn't going to be reality. Um the but the other thing the actual awning that was on the boat stage is uh I think is
very viable and we could use to extend some shade over waterfront park or whatever if we would put that up. So if we could probably look at getting that. Shouldn't be too hard to take that down. It's not real super large and it's just got like a a tarp that goes over it. Um it's still in pretty good shape. needs a
patch on it, but it's something we could probably use for something stuff that that black rod iron fencing. Some of that's been taken out of there. The city did we get any of that? Is that I know we talked about getting some of that to use for I honestly don't know. I'd have to check
with Daryl. Yeah, I don't think we have. There is still some there. I know there's I think there was gate or something. There was when we originally went over after the the sale closed, it was uh they were going to take a bunch of stuff. So, scrappers. Yeah. could be scrappers, but they did put a silt fence up, so it seemed like
it was coordinated for some reason. But anyway, um but any the permit is in. They submit it today. They did. The demolition permit is in. Okay. So, whatever we all you got to do is let let Brian know what we're taking and they'll leave that for us to to deal
with. Otherwise, it's all going to go bye-bye. So, if you please that the bathroom, that's that could be really huge. So definitely don't let that one go out side because it's like I said six years old now it's relatively new this
construction building if it was too much to take the garage or could it be used at next which is a potentially shorter movements you know you get it on the trailer
let me finish I'll let you um Yeah, but moving it moving it's moving it moving it. Yeah, it's it's it's the call it actually said it was u it's good. It's all city roads if we was
u it's good. It's all city roads if we move it because you have $10,000 just to get out on 19. So be a short parade going. Oh sounds like a very good point. Yeah, we need a longer Can we get the Hooters girls involved? Maybe
we possibly could. Okay. Um, obviously Brancher Park got uh demoed. Um, against the Hooters girls while we were out there. They did trim uh the mangoes along the way down there and I and
just for Dave. Just for Dave. Yeah. And um the uh the stuff is kind of high. Look out in the water. And Mike was there with me and he just there's there's another uh friend of his or whatever that had some I guess once the mangros get over six foot tall
then you can't trim them at all. If they're they're above four but under six you could trim them four. Um but if they're above six you you can't trim them but you could clean them out. And what he he showed me a picture and I have it I don't have it on here but it's uh it really looks beautiful because you can actually see through the bottom of the
mangroves and it's kind of looks like banyan trees or whatever. So obviously if it was something we could maybe get that improve that view there. I know he was going to do some of that. But um which view are you referring to? Huh? Which viewer? Out on the water. So as you as you enter
Brasher Park, you got the the trees along there that are pretty high. And Daryl saw the picture so he's he's aware of it. This is something we can do. But it would really enhance the view there. Leave it on the side. Waterfront park too. Well, and anywhere we have taller trees if they can kind of trim them up
underneath. I mean, they it really looked amazing. I thought about that. I was out there today. If you could trim them down to where they're if you could just continue that over. But I I guess it looked it might be over six feet though, I guess. Yeah. So, uh see anything else? Okay. Be very
lenient here. So, back. So, so Brasher, if you go over there and you kind of look at the the topography of it and the landscape before we really do anything as far as moving um bathrooms or doing new construction or whatever, it's so kind of hilly and and
it's really goofy the way it's set up. So, if we have a clean slate right now, we should maybe consider bringing in some filter. I'm not sure. It's a it's a flood. Yeah, they are filling in that playground stuff there. They bring that Well, that's like a bowl in there, but even the um you know, it's like a peninsula out there. So, you know, if
you bring in fill dirt, you can kind of, you know, just slope it off to the sides and you would have a bigger thing. And also, too, instead of even doing like maybe a uh a stilt home or something like that, you could probably even mound dirt, you know, and make like a concrete walkway, if you will, on top of it or something like a pad, and you'd probably
be able to see over the mangroves, you know what I mean? instead of um actually building something, you know, fill dirts.